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Subs created by: David Coleman.
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I just felt... (Whispers) A lot of anger.
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There was a face looking at us.
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(Amy whispers) I really don't
want to go down there.
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I was absolutely spooked.
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I just feel dead here.
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There was a body in the basement.
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Bludgeoned with a hammer.
(Camera shutter clicks)
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This is bad stuff.
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Well, are you afraid of
something happening to you?
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Yeah.
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Very, very angry.
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(Whispers) This guy scares me.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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(Bell tolls)
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There's something down there.
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I see dead people.
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He doesn't want me back there.
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I speak to dead people...
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She's pissed.
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And they speak to me...
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She doesn't like the people who live here.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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Someone did hang themselves here.
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- Where?
- There.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Dischiavi. I'm a retired
New York City homicide Detective...
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Did you want to kill him?
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And I know every person, every house...
has secrets.
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She did die in this house.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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Would you be surprised if there
were bodies in this basement?
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No.
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicated
during an investigation...
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Until the very end...
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Not good.
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When we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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Will it get worse?
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Or time to get out.
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- Oh, yes.
- Whew.
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(Indistinct whispering)
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Steve will gather all of the facts while
he's performing his investigation.
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He interviews the witnesses.
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He finds out the history.
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Then we'll come together at the end.
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And find out if there's
anything that correlates.
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I'm in Asbury Park, New Jersey.
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This place was devastated by the
economy and riddled with crime...
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(Siren whoops)
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But recently it's been making a comeback.
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I'm down here to see a
restaurant owner named Jeffrey.
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Jeffrey owns a restaurant called "Plan B".
He bought it a couple years back.
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His, uh, staff is complaining
about unexplained phenomenon.
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They don't want to go in the
kitchen, they don't want
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to go in the basement, they
don't want to work late.
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So I'm gonna meet with him,
uh, find out what's going on.
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And try to find out what the
history of the building is.
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(Amy) Before I enter a location...
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Matt has already cleared that location
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of any information that
may influence my walk.
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(Police radio chatter)
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(Amy) I'm, like, already starting
to get physical sensations.
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(Exhales deeply)
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(Amy) En Route to the location,
I start feeling physical pain.
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Which is very unusual.
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There was, like, two sharp blows.
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First I felt in my jaw.
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I don't know what that is.
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(Inhales and exhales deeply)
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Wherever I'm heading, I know that something
very powerful is waiting for me.
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When I encounter the
dead, I am seeing them,
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just like I'm interacting
with a living person.
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But I might be communicating
with residual energy...
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Or I might be communicating
with dead people.
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That's what I've always
been trying to find out.
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So one person's showing up.
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I just felt... (Whispers) A lot of anger.
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In where?
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There's a male here.
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Lots of anger here.
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So angry.
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(Sighs)
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The problem, to him...
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Is women.
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Ooh.
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A woman hater.
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This guy scares me.
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Jeffrey, how are ya? Steve Dischiavi.
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Hi. Nice to meet you.
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Uh, beautiful place.
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- Thank you. Thank you.
- Beautiful, yeah.
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So you're having a little
issue here at the restaurant?
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Just some things have been happening
here that I felt might...
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Need some explaining.
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This is pretty much where I
spend my time during service.
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Uh, it gives me good access to
watching the front of the restaurant.
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Watching the people at the tables,
also watching the kitchen,
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making sure the food is
coming out right, and, um...
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More than just a few times,
I'll be standing here, and...
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I hear my name being called.
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Immediately I look around,
because I feel like
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it should be someone right next to me,
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speaking to me, and there's nobody around.
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Makes my hair stand up.
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Now has anybody else that works with you,
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had their name mentioned to them that...
that have...
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That I'm not sure.
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You don't know?
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(Steve) Guy thinks he's
hearing his name called out.
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In a busy restaurant, acoustic-wise,
that's bound to happen.
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It's not exactly proof that there's
paranormal activity going on.
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All right, is there anyplace
else in the restaurant
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you could show me they're having problems?
Um, the basement's really pretty...
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Uh, pretty frightening.
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(Whispers) I really don't
want to go down there.
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Oh, man.
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(Sighs)
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I feel like vomiting.
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(Sighs)
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Like, everything in my body
just, like, I don't...
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Usually I'm fine.
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(Creaks)
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I don't know why this is bothering me.
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Have you ever been so freaking
scared that you throw up?
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That's what I'm feeling right now.
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Like you know. (Chuckles)
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(Pants)
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There's something down there.
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Oh, my God.
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(Steve) So what's going on?
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The scariest thing for
me down here was, um...
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One afternoon a friend of
mine and I were down here
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trying to get some stuff
together, and, um...
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As we were walking down we were looking
back towards this back wall here.
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Um...
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There was a face...
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That looked like it was peering
through the 2x4s, looking at us.
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Can you describe the way it looked?
Was it a man?
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Yeah, it was definitely a gentleman. I
mean, it was just for, uh, a flash.
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Now did it look like it was an
actual person, where you went
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back there and said, "maybe
somebody's in the basement?"
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Yeah, I mean, we, you know,
like, were kinda startled
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and then walked back there,
and there was nothing there.
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- And your friend saw this also?
- Yes, she did.
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It was spooky. We kinda ran
up the stairs pretty quick.
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(Creaks)
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Now you must be frightened coming
down here, I mean, after I'd seen
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something like that, I don't
think I'd want to come down.
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It's not a place I like to come.
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(Man panting)
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I guess we should go down, but I
don't really want to go down there.
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(Creaks)
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(Amy) It was unusual to be at the top of
the stairs and not just run down them.
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Usually I just jump into situations
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that others probably consider
not very safe or smart.
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But in this case, I really
had to work through the fear
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in order to go down into the basement.
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(Bleep)
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(Chuckles) (Sighs)
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(Footsteps echoing)
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(Clears throat)
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Something did happen down here.
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It's like a hole, and, um...
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(Sighs)
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This nasty thing is there.
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Ooh. I don't like it. Not good.
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(Indistinct whispering)
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It's like a hole, and, um...
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(Sighs)
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This nasty thing is there.
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Right in there.
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(Amy) Every place has some kind of energy,
whether it's positive or negative.
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It's very rare to go into a
location that has no energy at all.
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I can only describe it as a void,
and it's very, very scary.
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(Clicks tongue)
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(Chuckles)
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This is bad stuff.
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(Steve) I decided to interview
some of Jeffrey's staff,
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to see what was going on around here.
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I started with his Head Chef Evan.
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I'm investigating, uh,
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some of the unusual activity that's
happening in this restaurant.
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Can you just give me a
background of what happened
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with you and what you
might have seen or heard?
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Well, actually a couple weeks ago, I
was, uh, upstairs working with Benny.
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And I turned around by the
staircase, and I actually, uh,
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saw a man walk by and around the corner.
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And he was walking focused, and he kinda
turned towards where the kitchen is
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and then just looked like he went right
downstairs, but that's where I lost him.
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I saw something, you know? I, uh, it wasn't
me imagining, it was definitely something.
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(Steve) So now I have two witnesses that
claim to have seen a male apparition.
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Once you have corroborating
witnesses like that,
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you gotta take things a
little bit more serious.
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At the time, did you
freak out, or it was...
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I was absolutely spooked.
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I actually stepped back and
looked up to Benny at that point.
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I was like, "Benny, did you see that?"
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And he was like, "no," but you knew that
he has probably seen something before,
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the way he said that
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and a few weeks later, I found out that
Benny has been terrified of this basement.
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Has been seeing and hearing things nonstop.
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I just feel dead here, just dead energy.
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(Creaking)
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Like, dead people or absence of...
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- (Amy) Absence.
- Okay.
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Oh...
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Okay.
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(Exhales deeply)
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There's something, like,
growling at me to my left.
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(Exhales unsteadily)
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There's something...
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Laughing and growling and...
(Clears throat)
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And touching my arm.
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(Clears throat)
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(Sighs)
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I'm not getting, like, a human,
like, form with this thing.
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This thing is, like...
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Evil. (Chuckles)
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Evan the Chef was sure Benny
was hiding something.
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So I need to speak with Benny to find
out why he's so afraid of the basement.
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How long have you been working here?
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Like, two years.
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Uh, can you explain to me what's been
going on, as far as what's weird?
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Uh, I don't really like to go
downstairs to the basement.
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Did something happen to you in the
basement that made you feel that way?
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Yeah.
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When I go down there, I feel, um, like,
weird, like somebody is downstairs...
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(Creaking)
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(Heartbeat pounding)
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Somebody's on my back.
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I feel, like, weird things, like, touch me.
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Ow. It's hurting my arm.
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(Sniffles)
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(Sighs)
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It's, like, this thing is...
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Something that...
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Really nasty...
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Dark...
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Darkness.
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What is it?
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Mm...
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Well, um...
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I guess that the closest thing
that I could relate it to...
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Would be...
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A demon.
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(Indistinct sounds)
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I've only encountered these types
of entities a handful of times.
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And these things can be
extremely dangerous.
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It can move objects.
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It can manipulate perception.
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It can...
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00:16:06,755 --> 00:16:09,155
Strike fear.
254
00:16:09,860 --> 00:16:14,312
I think this one really
likes to scare people.
255
00:16:14,313 --> 00:16:17,166
Are you afraid when you go down there?
256
00:16:17,167 --> 00:16:19,087
Yeah.
257
00:16:20,209 --> 00:16:22,368
Do you feel like you're in physical danger?
258
00:16:22,369 --> 00:16:24,266
Yeah.
259
00:16:24,267 --> 00:16:26,434
How many times has this happened to you?
260
00:16:26,435 --> 00:16:28,485
- Every single day.
- Every time you go downstairs?
261
00:16:28,486 --> 00:16:30,406
Yeah.
262
00:16:33,341 --> 00:16:36,911
There's this root of, like...
263
00:16:36,912 --> 00:16:38,379
(Smacks lips)
264
00:16:38,380 --> 00:16:40,300
Evil.
265
00:16:42,783 --> 00:16:45,253
(Amy) I'm not sure where they come from.
266
00:16:45,254 --> 00:16:48,189
I don't know if there's a
hell or anything like that,
267
00:16:48,190 --> 00:16:54,090
but what I do know is that they
do exist, and they're very nasty.
268
00:16:59,183 --> 00:17:01,318
(Steve) Jeffrey moved here
only three years ago,
269
00:17:01,319 --> 00:17:06,046
and he rented the building without
checking into its history...
270
00:17:06,047 --> 00:17:08,452
So I need to find out if anything
went wrong in that place,
271
00:17:08,453 --> 00:17:09,794
before he opened the restaurant.
272
00:17:09,795 --> 00:17:12,012
(Clicks and whirs)
273
00:17:12,013 --> 00:17:15,762
It takes me about 15 minutes
to find out what happened.
274
00:17:15,763 --> 00:17:17,984
Jeffrey is gonna wish he'd
spent 15 minutes doing
275
00:17:17,985 --> 00:17:21,054
a little more research before
he opened his restaurant.
276
00:17:21,055 --> 00:17:23,519
There was a murder that took
place in this location,
277
00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:27,527
a brutal murder about 14 years ago.
278
00:17:27,528 --> 00:17:33,428
I'm still gonna need to speak to the
people that know the most about the case.
279
00:17:42,298 --> 00:17:45,761
I got some information about this
homicide that happened in '97.
280
00:17:45,762 --> 00:17:47,335
Uh, that was in an antique shop,
281
00:17:47,336 --> 00:17:49,847
uh, but being a former Detective
myself, I knew the best thing
282
00:17:49,848 --> 00:17:52,363
to do was go to the detectives
that, uh, worked the case.
283
00:17:52,364 --> 00:17:55,479
So if either one of yous could just,
start out and just tell me, you know,
284
00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,226
when you got there, what you
observed and what you saw.
285
00:17:58,227 --> 00:18:01,284
We responded about 6 pm
in the evening on...
286
00:18:01,285 --> 00:18:04,220
Uh, April 29th, which was a Tuesday.
287
00:18:04,221 --> 00:18:07,924
And, uh, there was a body in the basement
of the building on Cookman Avenue.
288
00:18:07,925 --> 00:18:09,953
Ray Johnson was 72 years old.
289
00:18:09,954 --> 00:18:12,129
He was the owner and operator of...
290
00:18:12,130 --> 00:18:15,057
"When I was a child" collectibles,
which was the scene of the crime.
291
00:18:15,058 --> 00:18:19,038
Uh, it was a pretty
gruesome scene at the time.
292
00:18:19,039 --> 00:18:20,919
Vile.
293
00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:22,960
(Pants)
294
00:18:26,266 --> 00:18:28,903
(Voice echoes) Yeah.
295
00:18:28,904 --> 00:18:32,084
Something happened here.
296
00:18:33,798 --> 00:18:36,273
Something with my... the
right side of my face...
297
00:18:36,274 --> 00:18:39,634
(Voice echoes) On my jaw.
298
00:18:40,672 --> 00:18:44,895
Anything you can remember specifically
about the body or, uh, the scene itself,
299
00:18:44,896 --> 00:18:46,874
when you guys actually got into the scene?
300
00:18:46,875 --> 00:18:52,775
We were informed by the Forensics team that
the body was in the basement on the floor.
301
00:18:53,513 --> 00:18:57,353
(Amy) There's, like, an anger...
302
00:18:59,086 --> 00:19:00,766
And a...
303
00:19:00,767 --> 00:19:02,867
Despair.
304
00:19:04,065 --> 00:19:08,069
One is despair, and one is anger, and
the anger is pounding on the despair.
305
00:19:08,070 --> 00:19:09,615
These are people.
306
00:19:09,616 --> 00:19:11,111
(Smacks)
307
00:19:11,112 --> 00:19:14,712
"Smack you. I'll smack you".
308
00:19:16,485 --> 00:19:19,385
Mr. Johnson's head was
bludgeoned with a hammer.
309
00:19:19,386 --> 00:19:22,260
(Camera shutter clicks)
310
00:19:22,261 --> 00:19:24,301
(Pants)
311
00:19:26,293 --> 00:19:28,327
Like, "I want to smash you down".
312
00:19:28,328 --> 00:19:31,388
(Indistinct whispering)
313
00:19:53,317 --> 00:19:55,010
This is our perp?
314
00:19:55,011 --> 00:19:56,498
That is. That's, uh, Moses Farrow.
315
00:19:56,499 --> 00:20:00,323
Uh, he was ultimately arrested and
charged with the homicide of Ray.
316
00:20:00,324 --> 00:20:04,590
Uh, what can you tell me about Moses,
as far as, uh, his background? I, uh...
317
00:20:04,591 --> 00:20:09,024
Moses was 20 years old at the time.
Uh, he was homeless.
318
00:20:09,025 --> 00:20:11,321
He was working for, uh, our victim?
319
00:20:11,322 --> 00:20:17,222
He worked for Ray for about three or
four days prior, uh, to the homicide.
320
00:20:17,732 --> 00:20:20,638
In his statement to us.
321
00:20:20,639 --> 00:20:25,172
He talks about Ray coming up behind
him and grabbing his buttocks.
322
00:20:25,173 --> 00:20:29,876
And he turns around and hits
Ray once with the hammer.
323
00:20:29,877 --> 00:20:33,413
Uh, Ray according to him, does not go down.
324
00:20:33,414 --> 00:20:35,688
He's staggering but not down.
325
00:20:35,689 --> 00:20:39,714
He hits him a second time, and
Ray goes down to the ground.
326
00:20:39,715 --> 00:20:42,951
And then he stands over him and
hits him more in the head,
327
00:20:42,952 --> 00:20:44,504
while he's down on the ground.
328
00:20:44,505 --> 00:20:47,625
(Camera shutter clicks)
329
00:20:56,805 --> 00:20:58,106
(Sighs)
330
00:20:58,107 --> 00:21:01,647
( Inhales and exhales deeply)
331
00:21:03,211 --> 00:21:07,636
(Amy) I just see, like, his energy is here.
332
00:21:07,637 --> 00:21:10,105
It's very, very...
333
00:21:10,106 --> 00:21:13,046
Solid energy, but...
334
00:21:13,684 --> 00:21:16,340
It's not like I'm talking to...
335
00:21:16,341 --> 00:21:18,201
Him.
336
00:21:20,695 --> 00:21:23,335
He's not here.
337
00:21:25,828 --> 00:21:30,403
The way that I encountered this
male was as a residual energy.
338
00:21:30,404 --> 00:21:33,807
At some point, something
very violent happened here.
339
00:21:33,808 --> 00:21:38,548
And a part of his
personality still remains.
340
00:21:44,884 --> 00:21:48,480
He was here once, and then
he left, but he left this...
341
00:21:48,481 --> 00:21:50,821
Stuff here.
342
00:21:51,125 --> 00:21:54,905
It's just what remains of him.
343
00:21:56,529 --> 00:22:02,409
His energy is here, but do you
know if he is dead himself?
344
00:22:08,476 --> 00:22:11,356
I don't think so.
345
00:22:12,078 --> 00:22:14,308
He had a girlfriend that
lived in Ocean Grove,
346
00:22:14,309 --> 00:22:16,905
which is the next town
over from Asbury Park.
347
00:22:16,906 --> 00:22:18,248
Uh, we spoke with her.
348
00:22:18,249 --> 00:22:22,838
She... she grabbed us and said,
"he told me, he did it".
349
00:22:22,839 --> 00:22:25,471
Ultimately he gets
convicted, is that correct?
350
00:22:25,472 --> 00:22:31,372
That's correct. He's doing 30 years
currently at Trenton State Prison.
351
00:22:32,078 --> 00:22:34,647
(Steve) The detectives were
able to tell me what he did.
352
00:22:34,648 --> 00:22:39,752
Now I gotta find somebody that was close
to Moses to find out why he did it.
353
00:22:39,753 --> 00:22:42,655
I spoke with the two detectives that, uh,
354
00:22:42,656 --> 00:22:44,750
locked up Moses, and
they gave me your name.
355
00:22:44,751 --> 00:22:48,127
So at the time Moses was your boyfriend.
356
00:22:48,128 --> 00:22:51,662
And he lived with you on and off, and they
actually apprehended him in your apartment?
357
00:22:51,663 --> 00:22:53,202
- Yes.
- What I need for you to...
358
00:22:53,203 --> 00:22:56,602
If you can, is tell me what you
can remember from that time.
359
00:22:56,603 --> 00:22:59,519
He showed up. I was on the phone
with my girlfriend, and I was
360
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,643
washing dishes or something, and
he said, "I killed my boss".
361
00:23:03,644 --> 00:23:06,517
I really just didn't believe it was true.
362
00:23:06,518 --> 00:23:10,068
I thought he was just being crazy,
because, you know, who kills somebody
363
00:23:10,069 --> 00:23:13,252
and then just goes and tells
somebody that you killed somebody?
364
00:23:13,253 --> 00:23:16,419
- So you weren't scared?
- I was not scared of him.
365
00:23:16,420 --> 00:23:20,244
I knew he wasn't gonna do anything to me.
I was never afraid of him.
366
00:23:20,245 --> 00:23:26,145
I do believe that there are events
that can happen in life that can...
367
00:23:26,631 --> 00:23:32,531
Destroy someone's psyche, to a point
where they don't think rationally.
368
00:23:45,700 --> 00:23:49,258
His thought processes are very...
369
00:23:49,259 --> 00:23:52,439
Distorted and disturbed.
370
00:23:53,137 --> 00:23:56,677
He doesn't perceive reality.
371
00:23:57,542 --> 00:23:59,762
And he...
372
00:24:01,412 --> 00:24:03,587
You know, he feels...
373
00:24:03,588 --> 00:24:05,628
(Sighs)
374
00:24:06,224 --> 00:24:09,460
(Inhales and exhales deeply)
375
00:24:09,461 --> 00:24:11,837
I don't like him.
376
00:24:11,838 --> 00:24:14,031
I do not like this person at all.
377
00:24:14,032 --> 00:24:17,092
(Indistinct whispering)
378
00:24:32,410 --> 00:24:33,503
(Inhales deeply)
379
00:24:33,504 --> 00:24:35,671
I do not like this person at all.
380
00:24:35,672 --> 00:24:39,032
Mnh-mnh. He was in jail.
381
00:24:39,232 --> 00:24:41,490
There was time done there.
382
00:24:41,491 --> 00:24:43,711
For what?
383
00:24:45,260 --> 00:24:48,020
Robbery, burglary.
384
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,399
Where was he in prison?
385
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,440
(Sighs)
386
00:24:53,869 --> 00:24:56,989
(Sighs) Um... not far.
387
00:24:58,776 --> 00:25:00,936
Not far.
388
00:25:02,767 --> 00:25:06,336
(Steve) I take a 30-minute ride to
visit Moses at Trenton State Prison.
389
00:25:06,337 --> 00:25:09,706
I've gotten about as much background
information as I can about the case.
390
00:25:09,707 --> 00:25:12,042
Now it's time to talk to the killer.
391
00:25:12,043 --> 00:25:16,013
I've interviewed a lot of people,
detectives, people you may know,
392
00:25:16,014 --> 00:25:19,316
so why don't you just bring
me to what brought you
393
00:25:19,317 --> 00:25:21,251
to that point on Cookman Avenue?
394
00:25:21,252 --> 00:25:22,618
I was working there.
395
00:25:22,619 --> 00:25:26,274
One day I was in the basement
pulling nails out of wood.
396
00:25:26,275 --> 00:25:29,293
While I bent over to pull a nail
out of the wood with the hammer,
397
00:25:29,294 --> 00:25:32,462
and Raymond Johnson walked
past me and grabbed my ass.
398
00:25:32,463 --> 00:25:36,500
So I just hit him upside
the head with the hammer.
399
00:25:36,501 --> 00:25:39,929
Was that the first time that had
happened, that he touched you?
400
00:25:39,930 --> 00:25:41,144
Yeah.
401
00:25:41,145 --> 00:25:44,508
You didn't hit him upside the head just
once, and you know, and I know that.
402
00:25:44,509 --> 00:25:50,209
Yeah. When it happened, I just
turned around and hit him.
403
00:25:50,380 --> 00:25:52,979
Did you want to kill
him, or did you just...
404
00:25:52,980 --> 00:25:55,585
Want to make a point by hitting him
upside the head with a hammer?
405
00:25:55,586 --> 00:25:57,921
Just make a point. Don't touch me.
406
00:25:57,922 --> 00:26:03,822
You made your point nine or ten
times, you know that, right?
407
00:26:08,532 --> 00:26:11,563
The demon gets angry.
408
00:26:11,564 --> 00:26:14,324
Very, very angry.
409
00:26:14,505 --> 00:26:17,745
I think it influences...
410
00:26:19,474 --> 00:26:22,174
It wreaks havoc.
411
00:26:23,213 --> 00:26:26,993
(Matt) How does it wreak havoc?
412
00:26:28,352 --> 00:26:30,152
Oh.
413
00:26:42,833 --> 00:26:47,304
When you look at your record, this came
out of nowhere, this... this murder.
414
00:26:47,305 --> 00:26:50,240
It just... it... it... that...
it's a little odd.
415
00:26:50,241 --> 00:26:52,409
It wasn't planned.
416
00:26:52,410 --> 00:26:54,278
Did you have thoughts of
doing that to anybody,
417
00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:56,293
or even him prior to that happening?
418
00:26:56,294 --> 00:26:58,094
No.
419
00:26:58,397 --> 00:27:02,249
You'd never done anything violent in the
past before this incident with Raymond?
420
00:27:02,250 --> 00:27:04,410
Mnh-mnh.
421
00:27:05,239 --> 00:27:06,552
(Exhales deeply)
422
00:27:06,553 --> 00:27:11,293
I don't know what brought me to that point.
423
00:27:13,778 --> 00:27:16,728
(Steve) When Amy sees
an identifiable figure.
424
00:27:16,729 --> 00:27:22,629
She often brings in a sketch artist
to put her findings down on paper.
425
00:27:29,093 --> 00:27:34,565
(Amy) So the lips are fuller on
the bottom, thinner on the top.
426
00:27:34,566 --> 00:27:37,271
I just saw him pissed off.
427
00:27:37,272 --> 00:27:40,812
Yeah. Yeah. Angry. Yeah. Mm.
428
00:27:41,405 --> 00:27:44,405
His nose is, like...
429
00:27:45,053 --> 00:27:48,479
Flat, kinda like a boxer's nose,
like a punch smooshed it.
430
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,400
Okay.
431
00:27:50,715 --> 00:27:52,683
How about his, uh, his eyes?
432
00:27:52,684 --> 00:27:57,724
His eyes are, like, so
dark brown, almost black.
433
00:28:02,422 --> 00:28:06,982
Like, I'm feeling the anger now from him.
434
00:28:07,665 --> 00:28:09,200
(Sighs)
435
00:28:09,201 --> 00:28:12,324
Yeah, this is weird. (Chuckles)
436
00:28:12,325 --> 00:28:14,854
Okay. I thought it would
just be a normal thing.
437
00:28:14,855 --> 00:28:18,442
I should've protected myself.
I didn't... I had no idea.
438
00:28:18,443 --> 00:28:21,323
(Scratching echoing)
439
00:28:23,214 --> 00:28:25,974
He's right there.
440
00:28:25,975 --> 00:28:31,355
He's wearing a yellow shirt now
with, like, some stuff on it.
441
00:28:31,356 --> 00:28:36,996
And he's yelling at me to
shut the (Bleep) Up, (Bleep).
442
00:28:39,663 --> 00:28:43,563
I kinda want to leave. (Chuckles)
443
00:28:43,769 --> 00:28:45,278
Um, I'm just really nervous.
444
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:47,596
(Voice breaks) I don't like him.
445
00:28:47,597 --> 00:28:49,485
(Sighs)
446
00:28:49,486 --> 00:28:52,786
- Okay.
- You all right?
447
00:28:54,411 --> 00:28:57,471
(Indistinct whispering)
448
00:29:19,077 --> 00:29:22,030
(Steve) Jeff's the reason we're here.
He, uh, he owns the restaurant.
449
00:29:22,031 --> 00:29:25,556
Uh, he's having some
unexplained events happen...
450
00:29:25,557 --> 00:29:28,400
- To him. Your staff...
- Yes.
451
00:29:28,401 --> 00:29:32,155
Um, and it's causing some
disruption for work.
452
00:29:32,156 --> 00:29:35,487
Me and Amy haven't talked since
we started the investigation.
453
00:29:35,488 --> 00:29:38,733
Amy came in, and she did a walk-through,
and if it's okay with you,
454
00:29:38,734 --> 00:29:42,328
I'd like to hear from her, tell
us both what she saw that night.
455
00:29:42,329 --> 00:29:44,630
- Sure. That would be great. Thank you.
- Okay?
456
00:29:44,631 --> 00:29:47,660
So when I came in and did the walk.
457
00:29:47,661 --> 00:29:51,204
When I got to the back of the restaurant...
458
00:29:51,205 --> 00:29:53,933
I encountered a male energy.
459
00:29:53,934 --> 00:29:59,034
And this male is very
aggressive, um, very angry.
460
00:29:59,418 --> 00:30:01,781
Wow. I just felt, like...
461
00:30:01,782 --> 00:30:04,016
(Whispering) A lot of anger.
462
00:30:04,017 --> 00:30:05,605
(Sighs)
463
00:30:05,606 --> 00:30:09,102
There's a lot of anger going on here.
464
00:30:09,103 --> 00:30:15,003
We're talking about excessive amounts of
rage and anger and hatred and just...
465
00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:19,130
A very bad, person that dwells...
466
00:30:19,199 --> 00:30:20,834
- Right.
- In this.
467
00:30:20,835 --> 00:30:24,615
And he was, like, stocky build.
468
00:30:25,038 --> 00:30:27,607
He also had, with his nose,
469
00:30:27,608 --> 00:30:31,744
um, which was probably the
most distinct, um, feature...
470
00:30:31,745 --> 00:30:35,057
Uh, it looked like he had
been in a lot of fights.
471
00:30:35,058 --> 00:30:40,364
Um, because it was, um, the
bridge was basically smooshed in.
472
00:30:40,365 --> 00:30:43,189
I got that he was in prison.
473
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:48,230
Um, there's robbery,
burglary, and weapons there.
474
00:30:48,295 --> 00:30:50,200
He...
475
00:30:50,201 --> 00:30:54,600
Has done a lot of very
bad things in his life.
476
00:30:54,601 --> 00:31:00,501
Um, the other thing is, I think that
this individual is still alive.
477
00:31:01,574 --> 00:31:03,976
His energy is here.
478
00:31:03,977 --> 00:31:05,811
He's not here.
479
00:31:05,812 --> 00:31:07,613
(Matt) Do you know if he is dead himself?
480
00:31:07,614 --> 00:31:09,654
(Sighs)
481
00:31:10,551 --> 00:31:12,865
I don't think so.
482
00:31:12,866 --> 00:31:15,031
So let me get this right.
483
00:31:15,032 --> 00:31:17,657
You're getting energy from
somebody that's still alive?
484
00:31:17,658 --> 00:31:18,624
Potentially, yes.
485
00:31:18,625 --> 00:31:20,393
- Potentially still alive.
- Yes.
486
00:31:20,394 --> 00:31:24,923
It's amazing to me, uh, your description
of him, because during my research...
487
00:31:24,924 --> 00:31:28,728
Uh, and investigation of the
building itself and its background.
488
00:31:28,729 --> 00:31:32,171
Um, about 14 years ago there was
a male fitting that description.
489
00:31:32,172 --> 00:31:34,184
That did work in this building.
490
00:31:34,185 --> 00:31:37,722
Okay, so I'm gonna show you a
photo of who I think it may be.
491
00:31:37,723 --> 00:31:40,912
You take a look at it.
492
00:31:40,913 --> 00:31:43,133
Go ahead.
493
00:31:44,687 --> 00:31:46,886
And, Amy, what are you feeling
when you see this photo?
494
00:31:46,887 --> 00:31:48,421
(Clears throat)
495
00:31:48,422 --> 00:31:51,057
I'm sick to my stomach. (Chuckles)
496
00:31:51,058 --> 00:31:52,692
It's making me uncomfortable.
497
00:31:52,693 --> 00:31:54,060
Okay. (Clears throat)
498
00:31:54,061 --> 00:31:58,839
Now, uh, we brought in a sketch
artist for Amy to sit with.
499
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,969
And she was able to describe who she saw
the night you did the walk-through.
500
00:32:02,970 --> 00:32:04,863
I have that with me. I
haven't seen it yet...
501
00:32:04,864 --> 00:32:06,539
- Okay.
- And we'll...
502
00:32:06,540 --> 00:32:11,040
Maybe we'll compare and see what we got.
503
00:32:14,145 --> 00:32:17,085
- Wow.
- All right.
504
00:32:24,824 --> 00:32:26,643
It's... it's...
505
00:32:26,644 --> 00:32:29,944
Uncanny how close it is.
506
00:32:30,910 --> 00:32:33,792
Now, Amy, this picture here...
507
00:32:33,793 --> 00:32:39,492
When you look at his face, does that bring
you back to the night you did the walk?
508
00:32:39,493 --> 00:32:44,134
(Whispers) This guy scares me.
I don't like him.
509
00:32:44,135 --> 00:32:46,215
That's, like...
510
00:32:46,216 --> 00:32:48,579
- Okay.
- That's...
511
00:32:48,580 --> 00:32:49,834
Really frightening.
512
00:32:49,835 --> 00:32:52,644
This is why I had that shocked look
on my face when I pulled this out,
513
00:32:52,645 --> 00:32:56,384
because I couldn't... I
can't equate how she has...
514
00:32:56,385 --> 00:32:59,331
A vision of somebody that's
alive, that I just spoke to.
515
00:32:59,332 --> 00:33:01,792
Oh, it's... it's... frightening.
516
00:33:01,793 --> 00:33:04,060
It's him.
517
00:33:04,061 --> 00:33:09,365
The look in his eyes, which I really
tried hard to capture with the sketch...
518
00:33:09,366 --> 00:33:12,746
That... that's the thing that's
really bothering me. (Laughs)
519
00:33:12,747 --> 00:33:15,269
- Yeah, I don't like this person at all.
- You're making me...
520
00:33:15,270 --> 00:33:17,192
- You're making me very nervous.
- I'm sorry.
521
00:33:17,193 --> 00:33:18,596
It's all right.
522
00:33:18,597 --> 00:33:21,297
( Exhales deeply)
523
00:33:21,346 --> 00:33:22,323
So who's this?
524
00:33:22,324 --> 00:33:25,431
Well, let me just give you a little bit
further of what I found out about...
525
00:33:25,432 --> 00:33:27,298
- The history of the building.
- Okay.
526
00:33:27,299 --> 00:33:29,467
About 14 years ago this
was an antique shop.
527
00:33:29,468 --> 00:33:31,588
Uh, it was owned by a man
named Raymond Johnson.
528
00:33:31,589 --> 00:33:32,428
Okay.
529
00:33:32,429 --> 00:33:34,255
He was about a 72 year old man.
530
00:33:34,256 --> 00:33:37,909
He was viciously murdered in
the basement of this building.
531
00:33:37,910 --> 00:33:40,311
I have a photo of Raymond.
532
00:33:40,312 --> 00:33:43,100
He was prominent in the gay community.
533
00:33:43,101 --> 00:33:46,749
He was nice enough to bring this
individual, Moses Farrow...
534
00:33:46,750 --> 00:33:48,321
- Who was homeless.
- Mm.
535
00:33:48,322 --> 00:33:50,514
He brought him in, fed
him, put him to work.
536
00:33:50,515 --> 00:33:55,486
According to Moses, Raymond did
a sexual advance towards him.
537
00:33:55,487 --> 00:33:59,290
And he turned around with the
hammer that he had in his hand.
538
00:33:59,291 --> 00:34:02,373
And he just beat him in the head.
539
00:34:02,374 --> 00:34:05,904
I mean, he beat him between 9
and 12 times with the hammer.
540
00:34:05,905 --> 00:34:07,014
Oh, my God.
541
00:34:07,015 --> 00:34:11,695
Wow. That's, like, making some sense to me.
542
00:34:11,768 --> 00:34:13,989
In the basement...
543
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:19,072
I did feel there was two, uh,
emotions that I encountered.
544
00:34:19,073 --> 00:34:22,613
There was anger and despair.
545
00:34:23,340 --> 00:34:28,320
Anger is pounding on the
despair, and... (Sighs)
546
00:34:30,130 --> 00:34:34,240
And I also had an extreme amount of pain.
547
00:34:34,241 --> 00:34:36,972
Um, specifically the right jaw.
548
00:34:36,973 --> 00:34:41,549
And then it... it went to the
whole, um, right side of the head.
549
00:34:41,550 --> 00:34:45,091
The pain was just so intense.
550
00:34:45,092 --> 00:34:49,099
Something happened. Something with my...
the right side of my face...
551
00:34:49,100 --> 00:34:51,984
(Voice echoes) On my jaw.
552
00:34:51,985 --> 00:34:55,132
And he was apprehended, did go to trial.
553
00:34:55,133 --> 00:34:58,824
And he is incarcerated currently
in Trenton State Prison,
554
00:34:58,825 --> 00:35:00,225
maybe an hour from here.
555
00:35:00,226 --> 00:35:04,263
I did get that he was in a prison nearby.
556
00:35:04,264 --> 00:35:06,994
I'm still trying to wrap around how you get
557
00:35:06,995 --> 00:35:09,548
visions of people that are
actually still alive.
558
00:35:09,549 --> 00:35:11,254
Uh, it... it's mind-boggling to me.
559
00:35:11,255 --> 00:35:16,372
I guess for me, if I knew it was
someone that wasn't still alive...
560
00:35:16,373 --> 00:35:18,818
That I'd have an easier
time dealing with it.
561
00:35:18,819 --> 00:35:22,017
But someone who's still alive...
562
00:35:22,018 --> 00:35:23,622
Makes me very uncomfortable.
563
00:35:23,623 --> 00:35:26,918
Even though he's still alive...
564
00:35:26,919 --> 00:35:30,466
Things can happen throughout our
lives that are very traumatic.
565
00:35:30,467 --> 00:35:33,979
And sometimes when those incidents happen,
566
00:35:33,980 --> 00:35:38,070
they can disperse into the surroundings.
567
00:35:38,071 --> 00:35:41,740
And so if we have a very
traumatic experience,
568
00:35:41,741 --> 00:35:45,110
or we are extremely angry
like this person...
569
00:35:45,111 --> 00:35:45,914
Right.
570
00:35:45,915 --> 00:35:50,985
Um, you can leave traces of
that in the environment.
571
00:35:50,986 --> 00:35:52,906
Okay.
572
00:35:53,186 --> 00:35:56,215
- I did speak with Moses' ex girlfriend.
- Mm.
573
00:35:56,216 --> 00:35:59,658
She's actually the one who helped
the police track him down...
574
00:35:59,659 --> 00:36:00,560
Really?
575
00:36:00,561 --> 00:36:05,358
And she felt that, you know, uh, he
was ready to snap, and this was it.
576
00:36:05,359 --> 00:36:09,663
I do believe that there are events
that can happen in life that can...
577
00:36:09,664 --> 00:36:11,631
Destroy someone's psyche.
578
00:36:11,632 --> 00:36:14,897
She feels that it just came to a
head down in the basement here...
579
00:36:14,898 --> 00:36:16,364
- Right.
- That makes sense.
580
00:36:16,365 --> 00:36:21,131
And that, when, uh, Mr. Johnson
did the sexual advance...
581
00:36:21,132 --> 00:36:23,410
That, well, he says that he
did, that he just snapped...
582
00:36:23,411 --> 00:36:24,500
Wow.
583
00:36:24,501 --> 00:36:28,423
But he snapped to the tune of 9 to 12
shots to the head with the hammer.
584
00:36:28,424 --> 00:36:31,041
That poses another question for me.
585
00:36:31,042 --> 00:36:36,428
If his footprint is left here, am
I realizing some of his anger?
586
00:36:36,429 --> 00:36:39,729
Honestly, his footprint...
587
00:36:40,211 --> 00:36:45,337
Is not particularly capable
of interacting with anyone.
588
00:36:45,338 --> 00:36:46,905
It's just a footprint.
589
00:36:46,906 --> 00:36:48,183
Let me ask you a question.
590
00:36:48,184 --> 00:36:52,011
Everybody's having, uh, a
sensation of getting touched.
591
00:36:52,012 --> 00:36:55,114
And a heavy feeling in the basement.
592
00:36:55,115 --> 00:36:56,304
Mm-hmm. That makes sense.
593
00:36:56,305 --> 00:36:58,503
Well, that's what I'm trying
to find out I'm a little
594
00:36:58,504 --> 00:37:01,392
confused with having an energy
up here, and in the basement,
595
00:37:01,393 --> 00:37:04,022
- is where they're feeling everything.
- The residual...
596
00:37:04,023 --> 00:37:07,903
Energy that he left behind is upstairs.
597
00:37:07,904 --> 00:37:13,724
Right. What you have in the
basement is something different.
598
00:37:15,834 --> 00:37:18,894
(Indistinct whispering)
599
00:37:30,059 --> 00:37:34,730
The residual energy that he
left behind is upstairs.
600
00:37:34,731 --> 00:37:39,342
What you have in the basement
is something different.
601
00:37:39,343 --> 00:37:43,063
I went back into the basement.
602
00:37:43,099 --> 00:37:47,270
And all of sudden there
was kind of this void.
603
00:37:47,271 --> 00:37:52,129
I was stumped, because usually there's
some type of energy everywhere...
604
00:37:52,130 --> 00:37:54,896
- Right.
- And this was just kind of...
605
00:37:54,897 --> 00:37:56,997
Nothing.
606
00:37:57,580 --> 00:38:00,917
It's like a hole, and, um...
607
00:38:00,918 --> 00:38:02,958
(Sighs)
608
00:38:03,053 --> 00:38:06,473
This nasty thing is there.
609
00:38:07,690 --> 00:38:10,330
Right in there.
610
00:38:12,228 --> 00:38:14,289
And I looked...
611
00:38:14,290 --> 00:38:17,102
And I saw this little...
612
00:38:17,103 --> 00:38:19,383
Dark mass.
613
00:38:20,141 --> 00:38:21,159
The...
614
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,100
Being approached me.
615
00:38:24,333 --> 00:38:25,846
And...
616
00:38:25,847 --> 00:38:30,665
As it was approaching me,
and then touching me.
617
00:38:30,666 --> 00:38:35,823
I understood that, in fact,
this thing was very old.
618
00:38:35,824 --> 00:38:38,106
Um, was never human.
619
00:38:38,107 --> 00:38:41,947
And, um, is very, very negative.
620
00:38:44,477 --> 00:38:46,343
There's something... (Clears throat)
621
00:38:46,344 --> 00:38:48,249
Touching my arm.
622
00:38:48,250 --> 00:38:49,000
(Clears throat)
623
00:38:49,001 --> 00:38:53,721
I'm not getting, like, a human,
like, form with this thing.
624
00:38:53,722 --> 00:38:56,422
This thing is...
625
00:38:56,625 --> 00:38:58,545
Evil.
626
00:39:01,029 --> 00:39:05,428
This thing has been here
for hundreds of years.
627
00:39:05,429 --> 00:39:06,608
- It...
- How...
628
00:39:06,609 --> 00:39:10,209
Can cause things to happen...
629
00:39:11,414 --> 00:39:15,314
Bad luck, uh, emotional outbursts.
630
00:39:16,104 --> 00:39:19,138
In the Catholic religion...
631
00:39:19,139 --> 00:39:23,567
These types of things would
be referred to as a demon.
632
00:39:23,568 --> 00:39:26,299
They're extremely rare.
633
00:39:26,300 --> 00:39:29,591
I've only encountered them
in a handful of situations,
634
00:39:29,592 --> 00:39:32,844
and I've done hundreds of investigations.
635
00:39:32,845 --> 00:39:36,981
It's capable of manipulating an
individual's thoughts and emotions.
636
00:39:36,982 --> 00:39:41,386
It can take on any form
that would unnerve someone.
637
00:39:41,387 --> 00:39:44,003
Taking the opportunity to...
638
00:39:44,004 --> 00:39:47,392
Latch on to a person who
is ready to snap...
639
00:39:47,393 --> 00:39:49,127
- Oh, my God.
- And letting them go for it.
640
00:39:49,128 --> 00:39:50,294
Whoa.
641
00:39:50,295 --> 00:39:54,532
So whatever entity you're talking
about might have caused our...
642
00:39:54,533 --> 00:39:55,499
Yes.
643
00:39:55,500 --> 00:39:57,505
Who was already an emotional
wreck to begin with.
644
00:39:57,506 --> 00:39:59,966
Correct. Yes.
645
00:40:01,105 --> 00:40:03,908
Amy this has me really freaked out.
646
00:40:03,909 --> 00:40:08,557
It's... seems, uh, a lot worse than...
than I anticipated.
647
00:40:08,558 --> 00:40:12,294
I've been hit pretty hard
for the past five years.
648
00:40:12,295 --> 00:40:14,579
And, um, this is...
649
00:40:14,580 --> 00:40:17,564
This is, like, freaking me out.
650
00:40:17,565 --> 00:40:21,589
Can this be affecting me
inside these four walls...
651
00:40:21,590 --> 00:40:24,772
And can it follow me
outside these four walls?
652
00:40:24,773 --> 00:40:27,533
Um, yes to both.
653
00:40:29,077 --> 00:40:34,748
I want to tell you that there
are, um, things that we can do.
654
00:40:34,749 --> 00:40:37,656
You have options available.
655
00:40:37,657 --> 00:40:40,141
One is, yes, you could move.
656
00:40:40,142 --> 00:40:44,624
Um, the other one is that we
could do something proactive
657
00:40:44,625 --> 00:40:46,649
to get rid of this thing.
658
00:40:46,650 --> 00:40:49,100
We are lucky enough that...
659
00:40:49,101 --> 00:40:53,455
Out of the handful of beings
that I've met like this.
660
00:40:53,456 --> 00:40:56,058
This one is very young.
661
00:40:56,059 --> 00:40:58,411
I would equate it to a baby.
662
00:40:58,412 --> 00:41:02,231
Which means it's very easy to get rid of.
663
00:41:02,232 --> 00:41:06,586
This thing right now is using negativity...
664
00:41:06,587 --> 00:41:09,887
To feed and grow itself.
665
00:41:10,256 --> 00:41:12,007
You don't have to give it that.
666
00:41:12,008 --> 00:41:16,011
You have the power now to get rid of it.
667
00:41:16,012 --> 00:41:19,615
So what do I do to try to...
668
00:41:19,616 --> 00:41:21,351
I guess, annihilate this?
669
00:41:21,352 --> 00:41:23,061
We will go through this together.
670
00:41:23,062 --> 00:41:26,387
I will show you what needs to be done.
671
00:41:26,388 --> 00:41:29,558
But you have to promise me
that you will continue it here
672
00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:31,293
- and at your home and...
- No problem.
673
00:41:31,294 --> 00:41:33,890
For the benefit of yourself
and your employees.
674
00:41:33,891 --> 00:41:38,043
No, I promise that I will do that,
and, uh, I'd like to get it started
675
00:41:38,044 --> 00:41:39,342
as soon as possible.
676
00:41:39,343 --> 00:41:41,263
Okay.
677
00:41:41,814 --> 00:41:44,034
(Creaking)
678
00:41:50,189 --> 00:41:52,264
We have a doorway here.
679
00:41:52,265 --> 00:41:55,461
So you're gonna want to just, in a circle.
680
00:41:55,462 --> 00:41:59,422
Letting the smoke purify the area.
681
00:41:59,426 --> 00:42:01,500
All negativity must leave this place.
682
00:42:01,501 --> 00:42:03,836
No negativity may remain in this place.
683
00:42:03,837 --> 00:42:07,083
Only love, light, and peace may enter.
684
00:42:07,084 --> 00:42:12,984
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