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The Führer has given
the order for physical extermination…
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literally… I had heard these words
for the first time.
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I know that all too well.
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Efforts have been made
to obtain the manuscript,
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and indeed, it is now in our hands.
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All rise!
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Adolf Eichmann.
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The extended arm of Hitler's evil regime.
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It could not have been me,
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because it was not my decision
in such cases.
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All rise!
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Okay, so now take this text,
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analyze it sentence by sentence
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and tell us what is true
and what is false.
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Take a look at the section I marked,
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"I wasn't an ordinary receiver of orders.
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If I was, I would be stupid.
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I was an idealist."
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Did you say that?
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That's…
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I must say, this is
completely made-up nonsense.
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Being an idealist has nothing to do
with receiving or giving orders.
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I just thought of something,
Mr. Prosecutor.
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You said that there are tapes.
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One should try to get these tapes.
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And it would prove if I said it or not.
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Look, I can do my job without advice.
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I ask that you tell me
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if you said those things or not?
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After the middle of May 1944,
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we were led to a villa
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that later turned out to be
the private residence of Adolf Eichmann.
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I saw him when I was digging,
I heard shouting.
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Yes.
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I saw Eichmann's driver walk over
to one of the Jewish boys working with us,
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I knew him as Shalamon,
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and he yelled at him,
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"You stole cherries off the tree,"
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and I saw Eichmann standing
on the upper balcony.
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Then I saw the boy
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being pushed into the warehouse
and locked up there.
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Then I heard horrible screams,
pounding, beatings.
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The screams went on
for 10-15 minutes.
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When I heard no more screams,
the door opened,
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and Eichmann emerged.
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He left quickly
and the boy's body was dragged out.
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In response to this question,
I can only say
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that I have never killed a human being,
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that I have never beaten
a human being to death,
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and that I have never
hit a human being.
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Eichmann never shot anyone himself.
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He only shot with his pen.
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The commander of Auschwitz
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once asked him
when he visited him
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if perhaps the babies could be spared,
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not be put
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with their parents in the gas chambers.
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Eichmann replied,
and this appears in Rudolf Höss memoirs,
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the children must be exterminated,
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for they could grow up
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and want to seek revenge on us.
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That was Eichmann.
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To the end.
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And this is what Höss did.
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That's what he did.
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I told you already,
he was not
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the brutal concentration
camp commander
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one imagines
with the face of a bulldog,
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he was a father to a load of children.
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He had sympathy
for human needs and worries.
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He had orders that bound him.
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Had I received the order
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to gas Jews or shoot Jews,
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I would have executed these orders.
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Rudolf Höss,
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in the statements you know…
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-Yes, I met with Höss.
-He was at your place in Budapest.
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Yes, he visited me in Budapest.
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To determine Auschwitz's capacity
to absorb Hungarian Jews?
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Even in Hungary, I was not
giving orders, but receiving orders.
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He had to address the higher ranks.
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In Sassen's transcript, page 737,
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you made a comparison
between the various countries.
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As for Holland, you said,
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"It was a splendor
how it was all rolling."
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As for Denmark, you said,"It was almost a
scandal," or similar words.
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And as for Hungary, you said,
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"Hungary really offered us the Jews
like in a fire sale!
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Hungary was the only country
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for which we couldn't work fast enough."
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"On March 31st, 1944 the Judenrat
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had a first discussion
with Eichmann at the Majestic.
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'You don't know who I am?
I am a bloodhound',
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Eichmann declared at that time."
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Yes, maybe I said that,
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how shall I say, sarcastically, and…
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with a combination of humor and sarcasm.
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Just as I occasionally said
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to the important Jews,
when I met them,
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when they arrived.
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Something like,
"Do you know where you are?
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You are with
the Tsar of the Jews, dear friend!"
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This is how I wanted to address them
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so they wouldn't have worries or concerns.
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Because I am not the bloodhound
that people accuse me of being.
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You told Sassen that Hungary
was the only country
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in which you weren't able
to keep up with the rate of deportations.
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That's what you said to Sassen, true?
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No, that cannot be true.
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Many things were written, as you said,
Mr. Prosecutor, and this is not correct.
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We have concluded
that the deportations from…
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Hungary, under the leadership
of the master (Eichmann)
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were conducted in an exemplary manner.
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Can one say that in 46 days
all this happened?
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It seems exaggerated.
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Too fast?
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Of course it happened fast.
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But 46 days seems a bit exaggerated to me.
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Maybe you are referring
to 46 work days?
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But not in 46 days,
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meaning, a month and a half.
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There were only whispers and rumors
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about a place in Poland
where terrible things are happening.
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But the people who
were deported to Auschwitz,
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they all sent a postcard
that said the same thing,
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that they feel fine,
that they're working, something like that.
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These were uniform postcards
that were sent to the relatives.
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Once we arrived in Auschwitz,
we got an order to get out.
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And I saw my wife.
How did I recognize her?
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My daughter was wearing a red coat
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and that red dot was the sign
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that she is there
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and the dot became smaller and smaller.
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I walked away and never saw her again.
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When I heard that,
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I fell silent. Why?
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Because my daughter
was two and a half years old
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and shortly before that
I bought her a red coat.
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I couldn't get a word out of my mouth.
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Even before we entered the barracks,
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a command came down:
all the boys to the soccer field.
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Those days were the pinnacle of Auschwitz.
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Within seven weeks,
from May 16 to June 10,
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438,000 Jews were brought to Auschwitz
on 150 trains.
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Four chimneys emitted flames
and black smoke day and night.
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When those didn't suffice,
they dug pits and burned bodies to ashes.
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It was horrible.
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Some days the smoke did not rise
into the sky,
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but spread over the Auschwitz camp
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and covered the camp
with a black cloud.
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-Do you see the defendant here?
-Yes.
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Can you identify him?
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In my memory,
Herr Obersturmbannführer Eichmann.
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is in uniform, in high boots,
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standing with his legs spread
and his hand on the gun in his belt,
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shouting at me in a tone that was
so characteristic of the "Master Race."
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But despite that, I know that this is him.
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When did you find out what was being done
to the Jews in Auschwitz?
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I received letters once, and among them
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was the report on Auschwitz.
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It says
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that to date, one million and 450 thousand
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Jews have been killed.
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Detailed, in France, numbers.
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And the last sentence -
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"And now we are preparing
to receive the Jews of Hungary."
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Our leaders fed us sedatives
in the ghettos so that we don't revolt!
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Silence in the court.
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I request silence once again
and this is the last time!
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Get this man out of here.
I am stopping the session.
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You can imagine
that with such people,
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Storfer, Löwenherz, Eppstein,
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that one Jewish lawyer Kasztner…
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My father told me,
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"You'll hear a lot of bad things
about your dad."
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I remember laughing, because he didn't
know how much I already knew.
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He was spit on.
He couldn't get on a bus.
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He couldn't buy a newspaper.
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They actually spat in his face.
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I got spit on too once.
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My parents didn't know that I was beaten
up and got stones hurled at me.
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That I was tossed into a pit of lime
and almost died.
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Father was sent to the Nuremberg Trials
on behalf of the Jewish Agency
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and the Israeli government.
It's as simple as that.
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I found all the documents
related to the trip,
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also the expenses he received.
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And when he said so,
they said he's lying.
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He knew they were going to murder him.
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He knew.
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I came home from school
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and he called me over
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and there was an urgency in his voice,
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as if to say,
if he didn't tell me now,
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he may never have the chance.
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That I should always remember -
he tried his best
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to save as many Jews as possible.
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Was it Becher
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who led the negotiations
regarding the takeover
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-of the Manfred Weiss enterprise?
-Yes.
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Followed the negotiations
between Eichmann and Kasztner
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and reported to Himmler
about the progress?
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We decide by a majority of opinions
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to accept as evidence
from the Sassen document
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only things that were written
in the defendant's handwriting.
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In this ruling, we dismiss the
Attorney General's petition.
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I set up the Central Department
for Jewish Emigration.
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I couldn't fool these people,
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I couldn't tell them,
"Guys, I don't know anything."
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Or Kasztner, who told me
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I should stop the annihilation machine.
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He was so outrageous,
he asked me directly
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what was happening to the Jews, etc…
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I can't say to him,
"I don't know anything."
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I call on Avraham Aviel.
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Avraham Aviel.
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Put the kippah on your head,
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your right hand on the Bible,
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say: I swear to God
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that my testimony in this trial
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will be the truth,
the whole truth and only the truth.
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It was no pleasure
saying that I came from the Holocaust.
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Because there were bad opinions too,
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that the Holocaust survivors
are not decent people,
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they endured such trials and tribulations,
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they're not decent people,
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so they hid it.
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Tell us what happened
on May 7, 1942.
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-They came from Lida…
-Who?
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The Germans came,
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in battle uniform,
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armed with automatic weapons.
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My mother…
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said, "Children…
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say a prayer.
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We will die as Jews."
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I didn't want to cry,
I wanted them to hear the testimony.
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I took a breath to continue the testimony,
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I took a second…
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Gunfire rang out
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and they fell into the pit.
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What is the reason you use the literary
name Ka-Tsetnik, Mr. De-Nur?
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Their name was
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the number Ka-Tsetnik.
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I see them…
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they are looking at me…
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-I see them…
-Please sit, Mr…
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I remember…
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-No, Mr. De-Nur, listen to the prosecutor.
-Then…
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Just a minute, listen to me,
no, Mr. De-Nur.
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Quiet, quiet, quiet!
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Yechiel De-Nur, Ka-Tsetnik,
fell unconscious.
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The audience in the courtroom
stood up in astonishment
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and cleared a path
for the stretcher bearers
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on which the witness lay
and was taken to the hospital.
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My role was then the news coordinator
of the Voice of Israel.
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Ka-Tsetnik's testimony was, in my opinion
the most dramatic
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of the witness testimonies.
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Not only as a result
of the Eichmann trial did
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more people become familiar
with the Holocaust,
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they became familiar with the Holocaust
of every single survivor,
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every survivor had a Holocaust
of their own,
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I had my own Holocaust.
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People learned about that
from the testimonies.
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It was possible to rely only on documents
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but…
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this would not have become
the Holocaust trial.
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He hit one boy 80 times
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with a stick.
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Do you see in court
the boy that was hit 80 times?
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Everyone started to look to all around
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to see where the boy was sitting.
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It's the officer sitting
next to Mr. Hausner.
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I was unable to move.
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It's a story I'm not eager to tell.
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Once I told it to a man and his wife
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and he said to her:
these people suffered so much
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that at times
they mix truth with fantasy.
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Then and there I decided
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that no one
would hear that story from me anymore.
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It was the 81st blow that I received.
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We walked towards the pit.
I turned my head.
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He asked me who to shoot first.
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I did not answer anything.
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I felt my daughter being
torn away from me.
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I heard her last cry and how she was shot.
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My father wanted there to be
a trial of testimonies,
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look what a visionary he was.
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We have hardly any survivors.
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-Is that it? Can we get started?
-Please.
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Can this light…?
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Yes, that's it.
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I had recurring encounters with the dead
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and I always had the same feeling.
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I still remember seeing the ones that were
burnt, I told you already,
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my knees shook.
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Do you know what I said?
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You will laugh.
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"I believe in God, the Father almighty,
the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary,
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died under Pontius Pilate,"
and so on and so on
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"resurrected from the dead…" and so on,
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to stop my knees from shaking.
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Otherwise, I would have felt embarrassed.
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As a Obersturmbannführer
Colonel in uniform,
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wearing a thick leather coat,
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with ranks on my shoulders, saying,
"I feel nauseous."
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I'm showing you a section
from the Sassen document
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that has many corrections
in your handwriting.
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Look at the segment in parentheses
in red pencil.
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Page 282.
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You said the following,
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"And now, in conclusion,
I must tell you,
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I regret nothing.
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I am unwilling to regret.
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I must tell you honestly,
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had we put 10 million Jews to death,
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then I would say with satisfaction,
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'good, we have exterminated an enemy'."
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That's what you said.
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No, I didn't say that.
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I definitely didn't say that.
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…and now I want to tell you…
to conclude…
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all these recordings:
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I regret nothing.
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Every fiber of my being resists
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to say that…
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we did something wrong.
No.
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I must tell you honestly,
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had we killed 10.3 million Jews,
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then, I would be satisfied.
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And would say,
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good… we have exterminated an enemy.
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Then we would have fulfilled our task.
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But since it is not the case….
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I still have some brief questions here…
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It's harsh what I am telling you,
I know it…
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and I will be judged.
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If I'm… so harsh in my wording.
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But I can't tell you anything other than…
That's the truth.
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Why should I deny it?
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Right?
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No, I didn't say that.
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I definitely didn't say that.
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This has been patched together out of…
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It's a combination
of imagination and truth.
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That is not my question.
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The question is
if the transcript is right?
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I can't give a detailed
and precise answer to that,
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because I was under
the influence of alcohol
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and I don't know if I was under the
influence of alcohol in this moment.
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Under the influence of alcohol or not,
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did you say those things or not?
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I don't remember.
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If you want to continue
making a fool of yourself, go ahead.
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Excuse me?
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If you want to keep making a fool
of yourself, then go ahead.
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I don't want to make a fool of myself,
I'm just saying that I don't know
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and I have only one thing…
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I officially ask to have the recordings.
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And he came to you
to write his memories?
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Yes.
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We can give this book a title:
"Accountant of Death"
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And…
"Accountant of Death."
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Yes, you have not killed anyone.
I know.
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You have been an accountant.
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And…
That was something, those sessions…
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Now, are we finally done
with this recording?
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No, actually not,
I have a few more pages of questions,
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but we can do this quickly.
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We're not done with the book?
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That's why I just
gave my little concluding talk.
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That hardly matters.
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But what do you say about these things,
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which so spontaneously
came from my heart?
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-What do you say, Comrade Sassen?
-I'm quite intrigued.
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Intrigued?
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Yes, very important.
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This court sentences
Adolf Eichmann to death.
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That man, Eichmann, whose sole purpose
was to destroy the Jewish people,
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had to stand trial in an Israeli court
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with the symbol of the State of Israel
on the wall behind the judges,
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for me, that is an unforgettable moment.
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It's something that provided us
with extraordinary satisfaction.
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It was six months after the liberation.
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You see this shirt?
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A Jewish U.S. Army officer
who liberated us said,
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"Come, boy, the war is over for you,
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come, let me dress you nicely."
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This is the shirt.
I've kept it with me until this day.
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"I shall not die, but live,
and declare the works of the Lord,
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the Lord hath chastened me sore;
but He hath not given me over unto death."
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And you will be able to tell
future generations
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that you heard about Auschwitz firsthand.
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The fact that the Jewish people arose
and are able to judge their murderers,
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we are a nation that cannot be
trampled on.
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The first time I visited Auschwitz,
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in the same barracks
I had been in Birkenau then,
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00:56:10,110 --> 00:56:11,740
I put on Tefillin and prayed.
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I put on Tefillin and prayed.
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00:56:26,050 --> 00:56:32,050
The human revenge is five children,
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12 grandchildren, two great-grandchildren,
a wonderful wife.
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00:56:39,230 --> 00:56:42,520
That's my personal revenge,
but there is no revenge,
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00:56:44,020 --> 00:56:45,440
it is consolation.
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00:56:50,110 --> 00:56:51,990
He didn't leave the Holocaust
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00:56:52,070 --> 00:56:56,030
and the Holocaust didn't leave him,
not for a single day.
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00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:03,540
And I think that…
it wouldn't be farfetched to say
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that it also brought him
closer to his end,
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because his soul was scorched
opposite that glass booth.
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He really turned into a different person.
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