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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,759 --> 00:00:06,008 (din of traffic) 2 00:00:06,768 --> 00:00:08,143 (car horn honking) 3 00:00:11,933 --> 00:00:15,933 (people chattering) 4 00:00:16,893 --> 00:00:17,351 My foundation, 5 00:00:17,352 --> 00:00:19,767 the Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason & Science, 6 00:00:19,768 --> 00:00:22,851 is actually trying to raise consciousness 7 00:00:22,852 --> 00:00:24,559 that there are many, many more people 8 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,058 who are not religious in America 9 00:00:26,059 --> 00:00:29,932 than many people realize, including politicians realize. 10 00:00:29,933 --> 00:00:32,308 So you'll see politicians on television 11 00:00:32,308 --> 00:00:34,559 in their so-called debates 12 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,183 sucking up to the religious lobby 13 00:00:37,184 --> 00:00:39,932 and forgetting that the non-religious lobby 14 00:00:39,933 --> 00:00:41,892 is at least 20% in America, 15 00:00:41,893 --> 00:00:45,308 which is as large as any particular religion, 16 00:00:45,309 --> 00:00:49,350 and yet it gets ignored because it's not vocal enough. 17 00:00:49,351 --> 00:00:51,350 And so we have, my foundation, 18 00:00:51,351 --> 00:00:54,517 the Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason & Science, 19 00:00:54,518 --> 00:00:57,267 has a campaign called Openly Secular, 20 00:00:57,268 --> 00:01:00,600 which is an attempt to raise consciousness 21 00:01:00,601 --> 00:01:02,932 of the fact that there are lots and lots 22 00:01:02,933 --> 00:01:06,016 of non-religious people in America, 23 00:01:06,017 --> 00:01:08,100 far more than politicians realize 24 00:01:08,101 --> 00:01:10,308 and far more than each other realizes. 25 00:01:10,309 --> 00:01:12,225 INTERVIEWER: In an interview recently, you said, 26 00:01:12,226 --> 00:01:15,933 quote, "I don't think I'd call myself combative. 27 00:01:15,934 --> 00:01:19,559 I think I'd call myself a lover of truth." 28 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,600 And I'm wondering, what is your truth? 29 00:01:21,601 --> 00:01:24,932 When I appear to be combative 30 00:01:24,933 --> 00:01:26,100 and strident and shrill, 31 00:01:26,101 --> 00:01:28,142 which I'm often accused of, 32 00:01:28,143 --> 00:01:31,267 the reason is that I'm stating simple facts, 33 00:01:31,268 --> 00:01:34,932 and sometimes simple facts are disagreeable to people. 34 00:01:34,933 --> 00:01:39,350 For example, a few years ago... About 20 years ago, actually... 35 00:01:39,351 --> 00:01:40,434 In The New York Times, 36 00:01:40,435 --> 00:01:45,350 I wrote, "Anybody who claims to be a young Earth creationist 37 00:01:45,351 --> 00:01:49,142 is either stupid, ignorant, or insane." 38 00:01:49,143 --> 00:01:51,434 Now, that is a simple statement of fact. 39 00:01:51,435 --> 00:01:54,851 That's not a polemical statement. 40 00:01:54,852 --> 00:01:58,851 (laughter, applause) 41 00:01:58,852 --> 00:01:59,932 But you said, which I like... 42 00:01:59,933 --> 00:02:01,600 But it sounds... It sounds polemical 43 00:02:01,601 --> 00:02:03,183 because we've all got so used to thinking 44 00:02:03,184 --> 00:02:08,931 that you just don't say things like that about, about religion. 45 00:02:08,933 --> 00:02:10,517 And I must add at that point, of course, 46 00:02:10,518 --> 00:02:13,600 that sensible religious people have no problem with evolution. 47 00:02:13,601 --> 00:02:17,267 It's just, it's just the fundamentalists, and for them, 48 00:02:17,268 --> 00:02:21,183 the problem is usually not actually insanity or stupidity, 49 00:02:21,184 --> 00:02:23,058 it's usually actually ignorance. 50 00:02:23,059 --> 00:02:24,142 And ignorance is no crime. 51 00:02:24,143 --> 00:02:26,016 We're all ignorant of all kinds of things. 52 00:02:26,017 --> 00:02:28,308 So there's no crime to be ignorant 53 00:02:28,309 --> 00:02:28,933 of evolution, 54 00:02:28,934 --> 00:02:31,932 but you just shouldn't be quite so loud-mouthed about it. 55 00:02:31,933 --> 00:02:34,225 INTERVIEWER: You also said this thing, 56 00:02:34,226 --> 00:02:36,142 which I want to sort of go into, 57 00:02:36,143 --> 00:02:39,183 which is, "Science is the poetry of reality." 58 00:02:39,184 --> 00:02:41,767 Which is a beautiful way of putting it, 59 00:02:41,768 --> 00:02:42,932 and I'm wondering if you could 60 00:02:42,933 --> 00:02:44,517 just talk about that further. 61 00:02:44,518 --> 00:02:49,475 I mean, just, you write in a very poetic way. 62 00:02:49,476 --> 00:02:51,058 You're influenced by music. 63 00:02:51,059 --> 00:02:53,058 You're a lover of literature 64 00:02:53,059 --> 00:02:56,809 and then also, just as a science. 65 00:02:56,810 --> 00:02:57,933 I mean, there are so many things 66 00:02:57,934 --> 00:03:00,016 feeding into that idea, I guess. 67 00:03:00,017 --> 00:03:04,142 I suppose I would take the ideal role model for this, 68 00:03:04,143 --> 00:03:06,308 somebody like Carl Sagan, 69 00:03:06,309 --> 00:03:10,183 or his modern-day successor, Neil deGrasse Tyson, 70 00:03:10,184 --> 00:03:12,434 or Carolyn Porco, 71 00:03:12,435 --> 00:03:14,600 who see, look out at the cosmos, 72 00:03:14,601 --> 00:03:18,600 look out at the universe, as poets. 73 00:03:18,601 --> 00:03:19,017 And why not? 74 00:03:19,018 --> 00:03:21,100 I mean, who could not be moved poetically 75 00:03:21,101 --> 00:03:23,933 by the sheer size and scale of the universe, 76 00:03:23,934 --> 00:03:25,142 the sheer number of stars? 77 00:03:25,143 --> 00:03:28,767 The same thing happens in biology, in my own field, 78 00:03:28,768 --> 00:03:29,226 when you think 79 00:03:29,227 --> 00:03:32,475 about the prodigious, stupefying complexity 80 00:03:32,476 --> 00:03:34,267 of a single living cell, 81 00:03:34,268 --> 00:03:36,892 let alone a body consisting of trillions of cells, 82 00:03:36,893 --> 00:03:39,767 when you think that we now understand 83 00:03:39,768 --> 00:03:41,933 where all that complexity came from. 84 00:03:41,934 --> 00:03:44,932 We now understand that it came 85 00:03:44,933 --> 00:03:47,434 from gradual process, 86 00:03:47,435 --> 00:03:49,725 incremental natural selection, 87 00:03:49,726 --> 00:03:52,809 lasting over hundreds of millions of years, 88 00:03:52,810 --> 00:03:54,809 culminating 89 00:03:54,810 --> 00:03:56,142 in creatures like us, 90 00:03:56,143 --> 00:04:00,932 with brains big enough to understand the whole process. 91 00:04:00,933 --> 00:04:02,932 And we in the 21st century 92 00:04:02,933 --> 00:04:06,809 are privileged to live after Darwin, 93 00:04:06,810 --> 00:04:08,767 after Newton, after Einstein. 94 00:04:08,768 --> 00:04:12,975 And therefore we are privileged to get that into our heads 95 00:04:12,976 --> 00:04:14,932 in a way that our ancestors couldn't. 96 00:04:14,933 --> 00:04:17,932 Who could not be moved poetically by that? 97 00:04:17,933 --> 00:04:20,643 (phone ringing) 98 00:04:21,309 --> 00:04:23,434 Good morning, thanks for calling Ask NYPL. 99 00:04:23,435 --> 00:04:24,268 How can I help? 100 00:04:24,269 --> 00:04:26,267 Oh, the Gutenberg Bible 101 00:04:26,268 --> 00:04:29,350 is temporarily unavailable for viewing. 102 00:04:29,351 --> 00:04:31,517 I see you've got one book on hold 103 00:04:31,518 --> 00:04:34,225 called Working with Bereavement. 104 00:04:34,226 --> 00:04:35,932 I believe that the issue 105 00:04:35,933 --> 00:04:40,183 is that you are very close to the limit of 50. 106 00:04:40,183 --> 00:04:41,392 Yes. 107 00:04:41,393 --> 00:04:42,767 We still do have old books 108 00:04:42,768 --> 00:04:44,932 showing coats of arms from Europe 109 00:04:44,933 --> 00:04:45,933 and things like that. 110 00:04:45,933 --> 00:04:48,475 So let me go through the list again. 111 00:04:48,476 --> 00:04:52,932 You have Is ThereAll... Is That All There Is?, 112 00:04:52,933 --> 00:04:54,267 Washington, DC, 113 00:04:54,268 --> 00:04:58,642 Plants of Power, The Meaning of Life, 114 00:04:58,643 --> 00:05:02,725 The Marriage Benefit, Between Panic and Desire... 115 00:05:02,726 --> 00:05:06,932 Okay, it's about the geography and geology of New York City 116 00:05:06,933 --> 00:05:12,684 back in the earliest, before... Before the Dutch arrival, 117 00:05:12,685 --> 00:05:14,932 okay, in the early 17th century. 118 00:05:14,933 --> 00:05:15,768 So you can return your books 119 00:05:15,769 --> 00:05:18,892 to any branch of Manhattan, the Bronx, or Staten Island. 120 00:05:18,893 --> 00:05:21,434 You cannot... you can't return your material 121 00:05:21,435 --> 00:05:22,475 to Brooklyn or Queens. 122 00:05:22,476 --> 00:05:27,932 A unicorn is actually an imaginary animal, okay? 123 00:05:27,933 --> 00:05:31,809 He's not, it's not a creature that ever existed. 124 00:05:31,810 --> 00:05:32,932 No, I don't speak Spanish. 125 00:05:32,933 --> 00:05:36,600 You need someone who speaks Spanish? 126 00:05:36,601 --> 00:05:36,933 Hold on. 127 00:05:36,933 --> 00:05:39,932 The first appearance I have of it 128 00:05:39,933 --> 00:05:44,308 is in the year 1225, okay? 129 00:05:44,308 --> 00:05:51,932 And it's got the opinion of one ancient monk that... 130 00:05:51,933 --> 00:05:54,475 I'll sort of have to translate this 131 00:05:54,476 --> 00:05:55,308 from Middle English, 132 00:05:55,310 --> 00:05:57,475 which I'm a little poor in. 133 00:05:57,476 --> 00:06:03,434 But he's sort of saying that man is a wolf on the outside, 134 00:06:03,435 --> 00:06:06,932 but inside himself, he's a unicorn. 135 00:06:06,933 --> 00:06:09,100 And they spell it with an E. 136 00:06:09,101 --> 00:06:15,268 (phone ringing) 137 00:06:17,393 --> 00:06:21,726 (people murmuring in distance) 138 00:06:26,893 --> 00:06:29,058 MAN: What you have is a question that you want to answer. 139 00:06:29,059 --> 00:06:30,392 You want to basically find 140 00:06:30,393 --> 00:06:32,767 the place of origin for Hermann Herzog. 141 00:06:32,768 --> 00:06:33,851 What town, because... 142 00:06:33,852 --> 00:06:34,932 Where did he come from in Austria? 143 00:06:34,933 --> 00:06:36,808 Right, because I've connected 144 00:06:36,810 --> 00:06:38,932 in the Jewish genealogy group, JewishGen, 145 00:06:38,933 --> 00:06:40,225 with the person 146 00:06:40,226 --> 00:06:43,642 who does all the Jewish Herzogs in Austria. 147 00:06:43,643 --> 00:06:44,393 Sure, uh-huh. 148 00:06:44,394 --> 00:06:45,767 She just needed a town. 149 00:06:45,768 --> 00:06:46,932 She just needed a town, okay. 150 00:06:46,933 --> 00:06:48,892 So she's, she's... Because she's a Herzog, 151 00:06:48,893 --> 00:06:53,725 she has actually found all of the Herzogs. 152 00:06:53,726 --> 00:06:55,225 That's her specialty. 153 00:06:55,226 --> 00:06:56,350 Mmm, oh, okay... oh. 154 00:06:56,351 --> 00:06:57,433 So I was, like, I just... 155 00:06:57,435 --> 00:06:58,393 So you just needed a little... 156 00:06:58,393 --> 00:06:59,393 to narrow it down to which one. 157 00:06:59,394 --> 00:07:02,392 What I'm going to say we should do 158 00:07:02,393 --> 00:07:03,932 is take a look at the 1910 census... 159 00:07:03,933 --> 00:07:04,393 Okay. 160 00:07:04,393 --> 00:07:05,309 MAN: And get that information 161 00:07:05,310 --> 00:07:07,932 about immigration and naturalization. 162 00:07:07,933 --> 00:07:09,100 What I would do next is, 163 00:07:09,101 --> 00:07:10,932 is do a complete document sweep 164 00:07:10,933 --> 00:07:11,933 and get everything you can find 165 00:07:11,934 --> 00:07:16,308 that might give you clues as to where, when he came in. 166 00:07:16,309 --> 00:07:18,225 If you can find those naturalization papers, 167 00:07:18,226 --> 00:07:20,932 if he's accurately remembered and described 168 00:07:20,933 --> 00:07:22,350 when he immigrated... 169 00:07:22,351 --> 00:07:22,933 Mm-hmm. 170 00:07:22,934 --> 00:07:25,183 You might be able to then go back to Ancestry 171 00:07:25,184 --> 00:07:29,851 or Ellis Island... the same lists... 172 00:07:29,852 --> 00:07:30,393 Right. 173 00:07:30,394 --> 00:07:31,809 And then browse by the ship. 174 00:07:31,810 --> 00:07:33,851 Check the dates of the ships coming in 175 00:07:33,852 --> 00:07:35,183 and see if you can find him in there. 176 00:07:35,183 --> 00:07:38,142 Would I have to go through a whole year's worth of ships? 177 00:07:38,143 --> 00:07:40,851 No, because hopefully he's remembered 178 00:07:40,852 --> 00:07:42,932 the correct date when he came in. 179 00:07:42,933 --> 00:07:44,932 This is the right year, because you know, the census, 180 00:07:44,933 --> 00:07:46,642 they just ask whoever answers the door. 181 00:07:46,643 --> 00:07:48,267 But I'm, I'm hoping in the naturalization record, 182 00:07:48,268 --> 00:07:52,767 he may have correctly remembered the date he came in... 183 00:07:52,768 --> 00:07:53,351 And the town... 184 00:07:53,352 --> 00:07:55,475 The day and, you know, the day and month. 185 00:07:55,476 --> 00:07:55,933 Okay. 186 00:07:55,935 --> 00:07:57,308 And I mean, there's probably... 187 00:07:57,308 --> 00:07:58,017 In the naturalization papers, 188 00:07:58,018 --> 00:08:00,892 the place of origin might be in there, as well. 189 00:08:00,893 --> 00:08:01,268 So it's... 190 00:08:01,269 --> 00:08:04,932 I can't see naturalization papers online, though, right? 191 00:08:04,933 --> 00:08:06,100 Ancestry has some. 192 00:08:06,101 --> 00:08:07,517 We have a database called Fold3. 193 00:08:07,518 --> 00:08:08,017 Oh, right. 194 00:08:08,018 --> 00:08:09,725 I'm going to put you on Fold3 next... 195 00:08:09,726 --> 00:08:10,101 Okay. 196 00:08:10,102 --> 00:08:13,810 And see if you can pull something up. 197 00:08:22,810 --> 00:08:26,476 (muted chattering) 198 00:08:33,933 --> 00:08:37,892 (echoing, indistinct chatter) 199 00:08:37,893 --> 00:08:39,933 (camera clicks) 200 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:47,932 MAN: It was Andrew Carnegie 201 00:08:47,933 --> 00:08:49,932 who invented for this institution, 202 00:08:49,933 --> 00:08:50,768 and I think, more broadly, 203 00:08:50,769 --> 00:08:54,932 the idea of public-private partnership. 204 00:08:54,933 --> 00:08:56,225 Indeed, this institution, 205 00:08:56,226 --> 00:08:59,016 despite the word "public" in its title, 206 00:08:59,017 --> 00:09:01,932 is the quintessential public-private partnership. 207 00:09:01,933 --> 00:09:05,142 Literally half the funding of the New York Public Library 208 00:09:05,143 --> 00:09:08,642 comes from the public, particularly the city, 209 00:09:08,643 --> 00:09:12,016 and half comes from private sources, 210 00:09:12,017 --> 00:09:14,892 including people in this room. 211 00:09:14,893 --> 00:09:15,726 And it's private philanthropy 212 00:09:15,727 --> 00:09:20,517 that launched the pilots that we then assess, 213 00:09:20,518 --> 00:09:23,100 again, using private sources, 214 00:09:23,101 --> 00:09:24,932 and look, and look 215 00:09:24,933 --> 00:09:29,600 for other private associations to partner with. 216 00:09:29,601 --> 00:09:31,475 And what's been fascinating to watch 217 00:09:31,476 --> 00:09:34,975 is the way in which those private investments... 218 00:09:34,976 --> 00:09:35,934 Hi, Alberta... 219 00:09:35,935 --> 00:09:42,058 Those private investments have now inspired the city, 220 00:09:42,059 --> 00:09:43,392 as public funder, 221 00:09:43,393 --> 00:09:47,932 to provide the largest single increase in city funding 222 00:09:47,933 --> 00:09:50,142 to the public libraries in history. 223 00:09:50,143 --> 00:09:53,392 So, and, and one of the things that you're going to see is, 224 00:09:53,393 --> 00:09:57,058 now with the city back in in full strength, 225 00:09:57,059 --> 00:09:58,017 or close enough, 226 00:09:58,018 --> 00:10:02,809 that will also inspire more private philanthropy 227 00:10:02,810 --> 00:10:04,767 to keep that cycle going. 228 00:10:04,768 --> 00:10:05,685 That's one example. 229 00:10:05,686 --> 00:10:10,434 A second example is on the issue of internet connectivity. 230 00:10:10,435 --> 00:10:14,100 Three million New Yorkers are not connected at home. 231 00:10:14,101 --> 00:10:15,600 They are in the digital dark. 232 00:10:15,601 --> 00:10:18,767 We could have all the content in the world, 233 00:10:18,768 --> 00:10:22,183 but if you don't have connection to it, it does you no good. 234 00:10:22,184 --> 00:10:25,932 And this is how people are learning and engaging 235 00:10:25,933 --> 00:10:28,350 in the 21st century. 236 00:10:28,351 --> 00:10:30,725 So again, we went, 237 00:10:30,726 --> 00:10:32,932 we found private philanthropy. 238 00:10:32,933 --> 00:10:37,183 We started a 10,000-household lend of internet 239 00:10:37,184 --> 00:10:38,932 into people's homes, 240 00:10:38,933 --> 00:10:41,350 and that has in turn inspired 241 00:10:41,351 --> 00:10:44,932 the White House and the FCC to consider 242 00:10:44,933 --> 00:10:48,350 moving billions of federal dollars 243 00:10:48,351 --> 00:10:52,350 through the FCC to get at the digital divide problems 244 00:10:52,351 --> 00:10:55,975 which keep 60 to 70 million Americans 245 00:10:55,976 --> 00:10:57,100 in the digital dark. 246 00:10:57,101 --> 00:10:58,932 So, again, an example of the way 247 00:10:58,933 --> 00:11:04,308 in which private philanthropy can move public investment. 248 00:11:04,309 --> 00:11:07,434 Lastly, last example. 249 00:11:07,435 --> 00:11:08,101 I've already said 250 00:11:08,102 --> 00:11:09,809 you could have all the content in the world, 251 00:11:09,810 --> 00:11:11,183 but if you don't have connectivity, 252 00:11:11,184 --> 00:11:12,892 it does you not much good. 253 00:11:12,893 --> 00:11:15,932 We do not yet have all the content, 254 00:11:15,933 --> 00:11:17,016 all the quality content 255 00:11:17,017 --> 00:11:19,142 that this institution represents. 256 00:11:19,143 --> 00:11:23,267 We do not yet have it all available. 257 00:11:23,268 --> 00:11:25,016 The vast majority of the books, 258 00:11:25,017 --> 00:11:27,600 archives, images in this building 259 00:11:27,601 --> 00:11:28,435 and throughout our system, 260 00:11:28,436 --> 00:11:30,434 and indeed throughout all libraries, 261 00:11:30,435 --> 00:11:32,932 is not available online. 262 00:11:32,933 --> 00:11:36,308 That is the Holy Grail of the 21st century. 263 00:11:36,309 --> 00:11:39,932 It's what this technology wants to make possible. 264 00:11:39,933 --> 00:11:42,434 It means we have to digitize our collections. 265 00:11:42,435 --> 00:11:47,684 It means we have to make deals with publishers and authors 266 00:11:47,685 --> 00:11:48,933 to pay fair compensation 267 00:11:48,934 --> 00:11:51,932 for use of copyrighted materials. 268 00:11:51,933 --> 00:11:54,559 It means we need to create a platform 269 00:11:54,560 --> 00:11:58,225 that would enable people in New York, 270 00:11:58,226 --> 00:11:58,933 in the United States, 271 00:11:58,934 --> 00:12:00,932 or, thinking about Paul Farmer's great work, 272 00:12:00,933 --> 00:12:03,932 anywhere in the world 273 00:12:03,933 --> 00:12:07,517 to be able to get access to this content. 274 00:12:07,518 --> 00:12:12,058 Private philanthropy will make that possible. 275 00:12:12,059 --> 00:12:13,932 When we're talking about philanthropy 276 00:12:13,933 --> 00:12:15,434 in the 21st century, 277 00:12:15,435 --> 00:12:17,725 at this moment in history, 278 00:12:17,726 --> 00:12:20,932 inequality is the elephant in the room. 279 00:12:20,933 --> 00:12:25,933 I believe that education, the access to information, 280 00:12:25,934 --> 00:12:30,183 is the fundamental solution over time 281 00:12:30,184 --> 00:12:31,725 to inequality. 282 00:12:31,726 --> 00:12:33,434 And I think its power 283 00:12:33,435 --> 00:12:36,309 cannot be underestimated. 284 00:12:50,976 --> 00:12:54,226 (siren blaring in distance) 285 00:13:06,933 --> 00:13:09,934 (keys clicking) 286 00:13:26,017 --> 00:13:28,933 (chair squeaks) 287 00:13:44,685 --> 00:13:47,726 (coughing, chair scraping) 288 00:14:10,101 --> 00:14:13,476 (chattering) 289 00:14:24,017 --> 00:14:27,435 (cars whooshing by) 290 00:14:27,933 --> 00:14:31,768 (leaves rustling) 291 00:14:32,393 --> 00:14:34,934 (car alarm sounds, beeps) 292 00:14:39,184 --> 00:14:39,976 (engine revving) 293 00:14:39,977 --> 00:14:41,932 (children chattering) 294 00:14:41,933 --> 00:14:45,267 WOMAN: Okay, let me see how yours turned out. 295 00:14:45,268 --> 00:14:46,350 CHILD: I think mine... 296 00:14:46,351 --> 00:14:48,308 WOMAN: Oh, it worked, look. 297 00:14:48,309 --> 00:14:50,475 Now let's add some color in there. 298 00:14:50,476 --> 00:14:53,851 So what are you going to write in yours? 299 00:14:53,852 --> 00:14:55,851 CHILD: I hardly ever write in mine. 300 00:14:55,852 --> 00:14:57,932 WOMAN: What are you supposed to write in this? 301 00:14:57,933 --> 00:15:00,016 This one says 70 divided by one. 302 00:15:00,017 --> 00:15:01,183 What do you get? 303 00:15:01,184 --> 00:15:02,851 70. 304 00:15:02,852 --> 00:15:03,932 Good. 305 00:15:03,933 --> 00:15:05,809 So press "okay." 306 00:15:05,810 --> 00:15:10,560 (chattering) 307 00:15:14,643 --> 00:15:17,933 Want to read about the monkeys? 308 00:15:19,893 --> 00:15:23,267 WOMAN: Okay, let me see how yours turned out. 309 00:15:23,268 --> 00:15:24,475 I think mine... 310 00:15:24,476 --> 00:15:26,767 Oh, it worked, look. 311 00:15:26,768 --> 00:15:28,933 Okay, let's add some stuff in there. 312 00:15:31,933 --> 00:15:32,643 Eight? 313 00:15:32,644 --> 00:15:33,892 You stopped at 39, right? 314 00:15:33,893 --> 00:15:38,932 How many... so this is 39, how many fingers are here? 315 00:15:38,933 --> 00:15:40,267 Five. 316 00:15:40,268 --> 00:15:41,226 Mm-hmm. 317 00:15:41,227 --> 00:15:42,308 Five? 318 00:15:42,309 --> 00:15:43,350 Let's see. 319 00:15:43,351 --> 00:15:44,309 Oh! 320 00:15:44,310 --> 00:15:46,100 How's it going, Ravi? 321 00:15:46,101 --> 00:15:47,932 You like the book? Yeah. 322 00:15:47,933 --> 00:15:49,350 Awesome. When you're done with that book, 323 00:15:49,351 --> 00:15:51,932 we've got to do an activity, okay? 324 00:15:51,933 --> 00:15:53,100 This is... you know, this is every day 325 00:15:53,101 --> 00:15:56,851 I give you the paper with the activity, right? 326 00:15:56,852 --> 00:15:57,975 You mean like that? 327 00:15:57,976 --> 00:16:00,851 Yes, like that. 328 00:16:00,852 --> 00:16:02,932 Take your time, finish reading. 329 00:16:02,933 --> 00:16:05,932 The most famous 330 00:16:05,933 --> 00:16:12,016 crime-fighting dog in the country. 331 00:16:12,017 --> 00:16:13,600 Country. Good job. 332 00:16:13,601 --> 00:16:15,058 How did he fight the crime? 333 00:16:15,059 --> 00:16:17,933 What made the burglars pass out? 334 00:16:17,934 --> 00:16:19,725 The breath. Good. 335 00:16:19,726 --> 00:16:22,225 So you can put that they fought in the war. 336 00:16:22,226 --> 00:16:24,851 So you can write about that. 337 00:16:24,852 --> 00:16:26,267 Thank you. 338 00:16:26,268 --> 00:16:27,475 But I don't have enough space. 339 00:16:27,476 --> 00:16:29,100 You're going to have space, don't worry. 340 00:16:29,101 --> 00:16:30,350 And you can always just turn 341 00:16:30,351 --> 00:16:31,932 and write on this side, right? 342 00:16:31,933 --> 00:16:32,643 So just start. 343 00:16:32,644 --> 00:16:34,267 Write that sentence that you just told me. 344 00:16:34,268 --> 00:16:37,308 F-I-... 345 00:16:37,309 --> 00:16:40,475 No, no, F-R-I-E-N-D. 346 00:16:40,476 --> 00:16:41,226 D-S, not D-E-S. 347 00:16:41,227 --> 00:16:44,517 So you need to erase that and write that over, please. 348 00:16:44,518 --> 00:16:48,183 Ted got a red rock at the pet store. 349 00:16:48,184 --> 00:16:50,685 What do you get at the pet store? 350 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,932 What is a pet store for? 351 00:16:54,933 --> 00:16:55,852 A fish. 352 00:16:55,853 --> 00:16:57,892 Okay, so that makes better sense, right? 353 00:16:57,893 --> 00:17:02,225 One, two, three, four, no? 354 00:17:02,226 --> 00:17:02,976 This one. 355 00:17:02,977 --> 00:17:04,349 Are you guessing? 356 00:17:04,351 --> 00:17:04,893 Yes. 357 00:17:04,894 --> 00:17:06,724 Should we be guessing? No. 358 00:17:06,726 --> 00:17:10,893 (cars rushing by) 359 00:17:18,810 --> 00:17:21,016 MAN: And one of the things I really found fascinating 360 00:17:21,017 --> 00:17:21,933 about your book is the way 361 00:17:21,934 --> 00:17:23,932 that you delineate a kind of attention 362 00:17:23,933 --> 00:17:25,559 between princes and clerics. 363 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:25,934 Ah, right. 364 00:17:25,935 --> 00:17:27,642 Right? And there's a kind of a, 365 00:17:27,643 --> 00:17:31,932 a sense that some of the... friction 366 00:17:31,933 --> 00:17:35,725 between political leaders who are slightly more secular 367 00:17:35,726 --> 00:17:38,767 or secularly oriented towards the accumulation 368 00:17:38,768 --> 00:17:42,684 of material power, wealth, military power, 369 00:17:42,685 --> 00:17:44,183 and the way that that ends up 370 00:17:44,184 --> 00:17:46,434 being in conflict with religious leaders 371 00:17:46,435 --> 00:17:47,059 in the region. 372 00:17:47,060 --> 00:17:49,350 MAN: These are two groups of people that, 373 00:17:49,351 --> 00:17:49,976 for the most part, 374 00:17:49,977 --> 00:17:51,892 by the middle of the 18th century, 375 00:17:51,893 --> 00:17:52,932 cannot stand one another. 376 00:17:52,933 --> 00:17:53,685 (laughing): Okay? 377 00:17:53,686 --> 00:17:57,932 Ruling political authorities and clerical elites 378 00:17:57,933 --> 00:18:00,183 are at odds with one another, and this is in part 379 00:18:00,184 --> 00:18:03,016 because at the end of the 17th century, 380 00:18:03,017 --> 00:18:04,642 there was a revolutionary movement 381 00:18:04,643 --> 00:18:06,517 directed by clerics that sought to end 382 00:18:06,518 --> 00:18:08,975 the Atlantic slave trade at that point in time. 383 00:18:08,976 --> 00:18:14,932 And when the... the ruling hereditary kings 384 00:18:14,933 --> 00:18:17,600 were able to successfully make common cause 385 00:18:17,601 --> 00:18:19,933 with the French slave traders in the region, 386 00:18:19,934 --> 00:18:22,225 and expel those clerics that wanted 387 00:18:22,226 --> 00:18:23,933 to end the slave trade, 388 00:18:23,934 --> 00:18:28,932 those kings, they visited a painful retribution 389 00:18:28,933 --> 00:18:29,933 upon all of the clerics 390 00:18:29,934 --> 00:18:32,308 that had been involved in the uprising. 391 00:18:32,309 --> 00:18:35,725 And they violated centuries-old taboos 392 00:18:35,726 --> 00:18:38,851 about not enslaving holy people. 393 00:18:38,852 --> 00:18:40,475 So they had, you know, 394 00:18:40,476 --> 00:18:42,809 people that were Koran memorizers, 395 00:18:42,810 --> 00:18:45,058 religious scholars, and they, 396 00:18:45,059 --> 00:18:46,475 they rounded these people up 397 00:18:46,476 --> 00:18:47,932 and they sold them off into slavery, 398 00:18:47,933 --> 00:18:49,559 and you've got accounts that come, you know, 399 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,932 from French slave traders like Jean Barbot in 1681 400 00:18:52,933 --> 00:18:54,559 where he says, "I think there was somebody like this 401 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:56,434 on one of the ships that I filled in Gorée." 402 00:18:56,435 --> 00:19:00,932 He said, "This black priest was aboard, was aboard my boat 403 00:19:00,933 --> 00:19:02,932 "for two months before he spoke a word, 404 00:19:02,933 --> 00:19:04,142 "so deep was his sorrow. 405 00:19:04,143 --> 00:19:06,142 I sold him in the American islands." 406 00:19:06,143 --> 00:19:06,933 (chuckles sardonically) 407 00:19:06,934 --> 00:19:10,932 So the... the clerics weren't used to this sort of treatment. 408 00:19:10,933 --> 00:19:14,932 Kings violated, you know, traditional protocols 409 00:19:14,933 --> 00:19:19,308 by enslaving clerics en masse, and so this leads 410 00:19:19,309 --> 00:19:22,642 to really heightened tension in the 18th century, 411 00:19:22,643 --> 00:19:24,932 but it also leads to a situation in the 18th century 412 00:19:24,933 --> 00:19:26,932 where the clerics are politically weak. 413 00:19:26,933 --> 00:19:28,932 And it's part of the reason why the slave trade 414 00:19:28,933 --> 00:19:31,642 becomes so extensive from the region. Right. 415 00:19:31,643 --> 00:19:34,058 And there's all kinds of critiques that come 416 00:19:34,059 --> 00:19:35,767 from the clerical class now about this, 417 00:19:35,768 --> 00:19:38,475 essentially that their rulers in this society 418 00:19:38,476 --> 00:19:40,392 who are people that call themselves Muslims, 419 00:19:40,393 --> 00:19:42,725 they don't identify with any other religion, 420 00:19:42,726 --> 00:19:48,100 but they're trading their own citizens, Muslims, 421 00:19:48,101 --> 00:19:53,559 for rum, and guns, and nice cloth. 422 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:54,892 And that's the kind of thing 423 00:19:54,893 --> 00:19:56,892 that is going to lead to a really powerful 424 00:19:56,893 --> 00:19:59,932 and bitter critique on the part of the clerics. 425 00:19:59,933 --> 00:20:02,225 MAN: This is a notion which is very pervasive 426 00:20:02,226 --> 00:20:03,932 in a lot of the scholarship, 427 00:20:03,933 --> 00:20:06,350 that slavery and Islam somehow go together. 428 00:20:06,351 --> 00:20:06,933 MAN: Yeah. 429 00:20:06,934 --> 00:20:08,975 MAN: Either that there is a, there is something 430 00:20:08,976 --> 00:20:11,684 in the faith that licenses it, 431 00:20:11,685 --> 00:20:13,058 that with the spread of Islam 432 00:20:13,059 --> 00:20:14,475 goes the spread of slavery. 433 00:20:14,476 --> 00:20:15,932 There's your local story, 434 00:20:15,933 --> 00:20:17,142 but I also get the sense 435 00:20:17,143 --> 00:20:19,725 that you're telling a much bigger story 436 00:20:19,726 --> 00:20:21,058 about how we think about Islam, 437 00:20:21,059 --> 00:20:21,934 how we think about slavery, 438 00:20:21,935 --> 00:20:24,851 and what their relationship is to each other. 439 00:20:24,852 --> 00:20:28,183 So, the short answer is that we were told a lie 440 00:20:28,184 --> 00:20:31,851 by late 19th- and early 20th-century orientalists 441 00:20:31,852 --> 00:20:35,684 who suggested that... that slavery and Islam 442 00:20:35,685 --> 00:20:37,267 were coterminous, and this was part 443 00:20:37,268 --> 00:20:42,100 of a very motivated attempt both to denigrate 444 00:20:42,101 --> 00:20:44,932 African societies and Muslim societies. 445 00:20:44,933 --> 00:20:49,142 And, and to monopolize claims on freedom 446 00:20:49,143 --> 00:20:50,559 and emancipatory thought 447 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,684 within a Western post-enlightenment tradition. 448 00:20:53,685 --> 00:20:55,559 So that Islam and African society 449 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,642 become coterminous with slavery and despotism, 450 00:20:58,643 --> 00:21:00,932 and the white people are to be given credit 451 00:21:00,933 --> 00:21:03,183 for everything that was ever liberatory 452 00:21:03,184 --> 00:21:06,016 or emancipatory in human thought. 453 00:21:06,017 --> 00:21:08,809 And so the way in which we approached 454 00:21:08,810 --> 00:21:10,892 the question of the relationship 455 00:21:10,893 --> 00:21:13,932 between slavery and Islam was not historical. 456 00:21:13,933 --> 00:21:18,932 It was polemical, and people refer 457 00:21:18,933 --> 00:21:21,851 to particular canonical text, 458 00:21:21,852 --> 00:21:23,517 not the Koran itself, 459 00:21:23,518 --> 00:21:25,767 almost never the Koran itself, 460 00:21:25,768 --> 00:21:26,932 but to later legal text 461 00:21:26,933 --> 00:21:30,267 to paint a portrait of an Islamic law 462 00:21:30,268 --> 00:21:32,183 that was accepting of slavery. 463 00:21:32,184 --> 00:21:35,392 Whereas once you start to scratch the surface 464 00:21:35,393 --> 00:21:37,809 of the actual legal opinions, 465 00:21:37,810 --> 00:21:39,932 you realize that nobody agreed about anything, 466 00:21:39,933 --> 00:21:42,684 and there were people that never accepted the idea 467 00:21:42,685 --> 00:21:45,434 that any enslavement could happen 468 00:21:45,435 --> 00:21:49,267 beyond the time of the original wars 469 00:21:49,268 --> 00:21:51,100 that the prophet himself directed. 470 00:21:51,101 --> 00:21:53,350 And that he himself had freed any person 471 00:21:53,351 --> 00:21:55,559 that he had ever owned during his life 472 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:56,435 before he died, 473 00:21:56,436 --> 00:21:58,225 and that there was a very powerful 474 00:21:58,226 --> 00:22:03,642 thread of antislavery thought within Islam that was being 475 00:22:03,643 --> 00:22:04,932 systematically downplayed. 476 00:22:04,933 --> 00:22:09,434 So what I was doing is trying to tell a historical story 477 00:22:09,435 --> 00:22:10,101 that gave expression 478 00:22:10,102 --> 00:22:12,933 to some of that intellectual ambivalence 479 00:22:12,934 --> 00:22:14,892 about slavery within Muslim societies 480 00:22:14,893 --> 00:22:17,932 and to see that people actually found resources 481 00:22:17,933 --> 00:22:21,142 to think against slavery 482 00:22:21,143 --> 00:22:22,475 within conventional Islamic thought. 483 00:22:22,476 --> 00:22:24,851 This revolution in the Senegal River Valley 484 00:22:24,852 --> 00:22:28,183 was framed by a series 485 00:22:28,184 --> 00:22:30,350 of conspicuous incidences of enslavement 486 00:22:30,351 --> 00:22:32,932 of prominent clerics that increasingly 487 00:22:32,933 --> 00:22:34,058 radicalized the society. 488 00:22:34,059 --> 00:22:36,016 Clerics traditionally in this region were people 489 00:22:36,017 --> 00:22:37,932 who never held political power, 490 00:22:37,933 --> 00:22:40,642 they were generally forbidden to bear arms 491 00:22:40,643 --> 00:22:41,932 and they did so anyway. 492 00:22:41,933 --> 00:22:43,932 They taught themselves to do it, because they said, 493 00:22:43,933 --> 00:22:47,517 "If these are the kings that we've got, then no more kings." 494 00:22:47,518 --> 00:22:50,892 They not only tried to abolish the... 495 00:22:50,893 --> 00:22:51,932 first the slave trade, 496 00:22:51,933 --> 00:22:53,725 then the institution of slavery itself, 497 00:22:53,726 --> 00:22:56,932 but they also abolished monarchy 498 00:22:56,933 --> 00:23:00,932 and introduced a kind of form of clerical republicanism, 499 00:23:00,933 --> 00:23:01,933 and that's where the first 500 00:23:01,934 --> 00:23:03,975 Atlantic revolution idea comes in, 501 00:23:03,976 --> 00:23:05,932 is that this is not just a revolution 502 00:23:05,933 --> 00:23:08,892 that is about defining the bounds of liberty 503 00:23:08,893 --> 00:23:10,767 in the same way that the American revolution 504 00:23:10,768 --> 00:23:13,016 or the Haitian revolution or the French revolution 505 00:23:13,017 --> 00:23:15,892 is trying to define what liberty is. 506 00:23:15,893 --> 00:23:17,225 Even if we end up selling out pretty hard 507 00:23:17,226 --> 00:23:21,559 on the whole slavery thing, in this particular country. 508 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,142 But it's also one that, that is seeking 509 00:23:24,143 --> 00:23:25,308 to put an end to monarchy. 510 00:23:25,309 --> 00:23:26,226 This is an Atlantic revolution 511 00:23:26,227 --> 00:23:28,932 because some of its agents and lieutenants 512 00:23:28,933 --> 00:23:30,975 get exported as slaves, and they end up 513 00:23:30,976 --> 00:23:32,851 spreading word of this revolution 514 00:23:32,852 --> 00:23:33,933 in slave barracks. 515 00:23:33,934 --> 00:23:35,892 But it's particularly regrettable 516 00:23:35,893 --> 00:23:37,851 insofar as this story 517 00:23:37,852 --> 00:23:40,892 demonstrates that some of the genealogies 518 00:23:40,893 --> 00:23:45,100 of the values of liberty and emancipatory thought 519 00:23:45,101 --> 00:23:46,642 that we hold dear, 520 00:23:46,643 --> 00:23:50,933 were articulated not just by the, the ancestors 521 00:23:50,934 --> 00:23:53,475 of the European population in this country, 522 00:23:53,476 --> 00:23:56,559 but by the ancestors of the African population as well. 523 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,225 And that they were articulated in terms 524 00:23:58,226 --> 00:24:00,308 that were thought through with respect 525 00:24:00,309 --> 00:24:02,267 to the Koran rather than the Bible. 526 00:24:02,268 --> 00:24:04,392 They were thought through with respect 527 00:24:04,393 --> 00:24:05,725 to the Atlantic experience 528 00:24:05,726 --> 00:24:07,225 of being the victim of the slave trade, 529 00:24:07,226 --> 00:24:08,932 rather than the Atlantic experience 530 00:24:08,933 --> 00:24:11,684 of being the progenitors of the slave trade. 531 00:24:11,685 --> 00:24:13,183 When groups come to power that are opposed 532 00:24:13,184 --> 00:24:13,933 to the Atlantic slave trade, 533 00:24:13,934 --> 00:24:16,475 the Europeans, while they might not be able to go in 534 00:24:16,476 --> 00:24:19,100 and force of the slave trade, they're perfectly 535 00:24:19,101 --> 00:24:20,975 capable of arming and providing 536 00:24:20,976 --> 00:24:23,851 logistical support and providing gunboats 537 00:24:23,852 --> 00:24:26,684 and soldiers to parties who are interested 538 00:24:26,685 --> 00:24:27,933 in continuing the trade. 539 00:24:27,934 --> 00:24:29,142 And that's what they do. 540 00:24:29,143 --> 00:24:29,934 Clarkson refers to this 541 00:24:29,935 --> 00:24:31,975 in his letters on the slave trade. 542 00:24:31,976 --> 00:24:34,932 He said the policy of Europeans in Africa 543 00:24:34,933 --> 00:24:38,016 is to... is to make, is to subvert 544 00:24:38,017 --> 00:24:40,183 the just principles of government 545 00:24:40,184 --> 00:24:41,809 and turn kings into wolves 546 00:24:41,810 --> 00:24:44,767 instead of shepherds amongst their people. 547 00:24:44,768 --> 00:24:45,932 And so the... if you want to just 548 00:24:45,933 --> 00:24:48,308 think about it in a word, the European policy 549 00:24:48,309 --> 00:24:53,183 in Africa is "feed the wolves, starve the shepherds." 550 00:24:53,184 --> 00:24:58,476 (sirens blaring) 551 00:25:05,933 --> 00:25:09,435 (cars rushing by) 552 00:25:14,518 --> 00:25:16,600 MAN: This is a really special library. 553 00:25:16,601 --> 00:25:17,892 This library is 554 00:25:17,893 --> 00:25:19,767 part of Lincoln Center. 555 00:25:19,768 --> 00:25:20,932 So, we share its mission 556 00:25:20,933 --> 00:25:24,392 of presenting artistic excellence 557 00:25:24,393 --> 00:25:25,932 of the highest caliber. 558 00:25:25,933 --> 00:25:28,517 We're also part of the New York Public Library, 559 00:25:28,518 --> 00:25:31,016 so we share the library's mission 560 00:25:31,017 --> 00:25:34,016 of being a warm, welcoming place 561 00:25:34,017 --> 00:25:37,684 that's committed to education and committed to nurturing 562 00:25:37,685 --> 00:25:41,142 everyone's individual passions and curiosity. 563 00:25:41,143 --> 00:25:42,183 And we like to think that 564 00:25:42,184 --> 00:25:44,932 we're a great marriage of those two missions, 565 00:25:44,933 --> 00:25:46,100 the mission of Lincoln Center 566 00:25:46,101 --> 00:25:48,975 and the mission of the New York Public Library. 567 00:25:48,976 --> 00:25:49,933 And this recital tonight 568 00:25:49,934 --> 00:25:53,725 really represents that well, in my opinion. 569 00:25:53,726 --> 00:25:56,392 We have some wonderful pieces of music, 570 00:25:56,393 --> 00:25:59,851 especially terrific work 571 00:25:59,852 --> 00:26:02,932 by the amazing composer Ned Rorem. 572 00:26:02,933 --> 00:26:05,975 Carolyn is an incredible pianist, a great artist. 573 00:26:05,976 --> 00:26:08,809 She's performed in many of the... 574 00:26:08,810 --> 00:26:09,975 our city's great performance halls, 575 00:26:09,976 --> 00:26:12,933 and she's also, I think, a wonderful embodiment 576 00:26:12,934 --> 00:26:16,183 of that welcoming, generous spirit 577 00:26:16,184 --> 00:26:19,560 that the Library tries to embody as well. 578 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:28,933 (playing delicate piece on piano) 579 00:26:50,893 --> 00:26:57,435 (piano playing continues) 580 00:27:15,893 --> 00:27:22,435 (piano playing continues) 581 00:27:39,933 --> 00:27:46,601 (piano playing continues) 582 00:27:57,933 --> 00:28:04,601 (piano playing continues) 583 00:28:08,643 --> 00:28:09,933 (song ends) 584 00:28:16,101 --> 00:28:22,226 (cars rushing by) 585 00:28:32,852 --> 00:28:39,351 (muffled music playing in distance) 586 00:28:39,810 --> 00:28:42,476 (car alarm blaring in distance) 587 00:28:48,518 --> 00:28:51,933 (chattering) 588 00:28:53,017 --> 00:28:54,932 MAN: There's so many more jobs than just running 589 00:28:54,933 --> 00:28:56,932 into a burning building and saving somebody. 590 00:28:56,933 --> 00:29:00,225 Like, there's a lot more to our job than this entails. 591 00:29:00,226 --> 00:29:03,308 Because we also have fire inspector. 592 00:29:03,309 --> 00:29:05,851 That's basically you're working in a building, 593 00:29:05,852 --> 00:29:08,058 you're starting in the 40s, moving up to $80,000, 594 00:29:08,059 --> 00:29:10,142 and basically, when we come to the building, 595 00:29:10,143 --> 00:29:10,933 you meet us out front, 596 00:29:10,934 --> 00:29:13,183 and you tell us where the alarm went off, 597 00:29:13,184 --> 00:29:15,932 and you basically tell us the outlay of the building. 598 00:29:15,933 --> 00:29:17,642 It's, it's like a hidden gem job. 599 00:29:17,643 --> 00:29:20,475 Like, I know the three people I helped get that job, 600 00:29:20,476 --> 00:29:21,476 they thanked me to and from, 601 00:29:21,477 --> 00:29:24,932 because it's great hours, you're working in a building. 602 00:29:24,933 --> 00:29:25,852 You're not a security guard, 603 00:29:25,853 --> 00:29:28,475 you're just basically doing the fire panel, 604 00:29:28,476 --> 00:29:30,932 and you learn the whole outlay of the building. 605 00:29:30,933 --> 00:29:33,058 And EMT, EMS guys, it's great. 606 00:29:33,059 --> 00:29:34,225 And from EMS, EMT, 607 00:29:34,226 --> 00:29:35,600 I don't know if you're interested 608 00:29:35,601 --> 00:29:36,268 in the medical field, 609 00:29:36,269 --> 00:29:37,932 I know people that become nurses. 610 00:29:37,933 --> 00:29:38,852 I know one person 611 00:29:38,853 --> 00:29:40,892 became an orthopedic surgeon. 612 00:29:40,893 --> 00:29:42,058 So I'm not saying you're going to do that, 613 00:29:42,059 --> 00:29:44,600 it's how much you like medical field, 614 00:29:44,601 --> 00:29:46,308 but it's a great stepping stone. 615 00:29:46,309 --> 00:29:48,350 It's unlimited overtime, it's a pension, 616 00:29:48,351 --> 00:29:49,932 you're on a bus with a partner, 617 00:29:49,933 --> 00:29:52,932 we call it a bus, an ambulance, and every day is different. 618 00:29:52,933 --> 00:29:55,100 A lot of ones I talk to, they love their job. 619 00:29:55,101 --> 00:29:55,933 Because, every run... 620 00:29:55,934 --> 00:29:58,350 I delivered a baby, which was amazing. 621 00:29:58,351 --> 00:29:59,933 And, you know, it blew my mind. 622 00:29:59,934 --> 00:30:02,932 But every day is different in the fire department, too. 623 00:30:02,933 --> 00:30:04,267 But I'm just saying, there's so many 624 00:30:04,268 --> 00:30:05,308 civil service jobs out there, 625 00:30:05,309 --> 00:30:09,016 I don't think people realize how many jobs we have to offer. 626 00:30:09,017 --> 00:30:10,350 You know, my dad made me take... 627 00:30:10,351 --> 00:30:12,142 I took sanitation, cops, corrections, 628 00:30:12,143 --> 00:30:15,225 he made me take all eight tests, and I did three of them. 629 00:30:15,226 --> 00:30:17,559 I was a correctional officer before Wall Street, 630 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:18,268 then I became a cop, 631 00:30:18,269 --> 00:30:20,932 then I became a fireman, and this is the best job. 632 00:30:20,933 --> 00:30:22,642 I'm not just saying it because I'm a fireman. 633 00:30:22,643 --> 00:30:24,308 But there's so many outlooks out there. 634 00:30:24,309 --> 00:30:25,517 Like, you guys got to look for it. 635 00:30:25,518 --> 00:30:28,475 Like, the library offers you so much to do, 636 00:30:28,476 --> 00:30:29,892 but come see me at my desk, 637 00:30:29,893 --> 00:30:31,267 and I'm going to give you a piece of paper, 638 00:30:31,268 --> 00:30:33,932 write it down, too, to remember it... NYC.gov. 639 00:30:33,933 --> 00:30:36,100 There are hundreds of jobs on that website. 640 00:30:36,101 --> 00:30:37,932 We're looking to get strong women 641 00:30:37,933 --> 00:30:40,016 into our industry, into an industry 642 00:30:40,017 --> 00:30:43,225 that women aren't necessarily a big part of, 643 00:30:43,226 --> 00:30:45,142 but we're trying to get them to be a big part of. 644 00:30:45,143 --> 00:30:47,142 That's where the nontraditional part comes in. 645 00:30:47,143 --> 00:30:49,267 Because necessarily you won't see a lot of women 646 00:30:49,268 --> 00:30:50,268 on the construction site, 647 00:30:50,269 --> 00:30:51,434 but that's what we're trying to make it, 648 00:30:51,435 --> 00:30:54,434 so that more women are there, more women get the opportunity 649 00:30:54,435 --> 00:30:55,101 to do these things. 650 00:30:55,102 --> 00:30:57,600 Because we really do want women in the program, 651 00:30:57,601 --> 00:31:00,183 and the companies that we work with, 652 00:31:00,184 --> 00:31:03,308 the unions, carpentry, electric, millwrights, 653 00:31:03,309 --> 00:31:06,600 bricklayers, anything... All the unions you can think of, 654 00:31:06,601 --> 00:31:07,892 local unions. 655 00:31:07,893 --> 00:31:09,932 So, it's not just one field. 656 00:31:09,933 --> 00:31:11,225 WOMAN: Who wants to be your own boss? 657 00:31:11,226 --> 00:31:12,267 If we can't get a job, 658 00:31:12,268 --> 00:31:14,142 and we have a hobby, 659 00:31:14,143 --> 00:31:15,975 or we have something that we like, 660 00:31:15,976 --> 00:31:18,725 why not go to small business administration 661 00:31:18,726 --> 00:31:19,932 to help you get started? 662 00:31:19,933 --> 00:31:21,851 We'll help you with your marketing. 663 00:31:21,852 --> 00:31:22,932 You'll have a business counselor, 664 00:31:22,933 --> 00:31:25,932 you can go back and forth, as much as you want. 665 00:31:25,933 --> 00:31:29,183 This is... "I want to start this, I want to do this. 666 00:31:29,184 --> 00:31:30,225 I want to put it in writing." 667 00:31:30,226 --> 00:31:33,058 Because everybody... ideas, and it's in the head, right? 668 00:31:33,059 --> 00:31:34,809 You've got to put it in black and white. 669 00:31:34,810 --> 00:31:35,810 I'm a border patrol agent 670 00:31:35,811 --> 00:31:37,767 stationed here in northern New York. 671 00:31:37,768 --> 00:31:40,142 I started my career in Arizona. 672 00:31:40,143 --> 00:31:40,933 Um... 673 00:31:40,934 --> 00:31:43,517 If your mind is sharp, your body is tough, 674 00:31:43,518 --> 00:31:47,308 your soul is driven, you're built for the border. 675 00:31:47,309 --> 00:31:49,892 The United States Border Patrol is focused 24/7 676 00:31:49,893 --> 00:31:52,308 on securing our borders and safeguarding 677 00:31:52,309 --> 00:31:56,142 the American people from terrorism, drug smuggling, 678 00:31:56,143 --> 00:31:58,809 and illegal entry into our country. 679 00:31:58,810 --> 00:32:04,517 Agents are built to protect, it comes as second nature. 680 00:32:04,518 --> 00:32:05,184 Uh... 681 00:32:05,185 --> 00:32:06,225 We use age-old techniques 682 00:32:06,226 --> 00:32:07,932 and also cutting-edge technology, 683 00:32:07,933 --> 00:32:11,392 from, like, drones up in the sky to, 684 00:32:11,393 --> 00:32:16,183 you know, horse patrol units, to boat patrol units. 685 00:32:16,184 --> 00:32:16,933 Um... 686 00:32:16,934 --> 00:32:20,600 You know, we have a lot of tools to get the job done. 687 00:32:20,601 --> 00:32:23,392 The border patrol agents honor their heritage 688 00:32:23,393 --> 00:32:27,308 by protecting the American... by protecting America today. 689 00:32:27,309 --> 00:32:28,932 I am the associate director 690 00:32:28,933 --> 00:32:30,392 for the New York Public Library's 691 00:32:30,393 --> 00:32:31,101 TechConnect department. 692 00:32:31,102 --> 00:32:34,016 So what we do is we actually offer free training, 693 00:32:34,017 --> 00:32:36,767 free classes in technology. 694 00:32:36,768 --> 00:32:37,933 Over 100 different topics. 695 00:32:37,934 --> 00:32:38,933 I have two positions, 696 00:32:38,934 --> 00:32:40,932 one is a full-time instructor position. 697 00:32:40,933 --> 00:32:43,392 The other is a part-time lab assistant position. 698 00:32:43,393 --> 00:32:45,933 I pay way more than minimum wage. 699 00:32:45,934 --> 00:32:47,434 Why? Because I'm looking for people 700 00:32:47,435 --> 00:32:50,142 who have some really good technical skills. 701 00:32:50,143 --> 00:32:52,350 MAN: We are here today so we can offer jobs 702 00:32:52,351 --> 00:32:56,933 to 17 to 35 qualified individuals. 703 00:32:56,934 --> 00:32:59,475 Um, you know, basically, you all know what we do. 704 00:32:59,476 --> 00:33:00,725 We do defend the country. 705 00:33:00,726 --> 00:33:04,933 I'm here for active Army and Army Reserve, 17 to 35. 706 00:33:04,934 --> 00:33:09,559 We are always hiring at Morris Heights Health Center, 707 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,642 and we always have opportunities, 708 00:33:11,643 --> 00:33:14,267 whether it's for administration, whether it's for marketing, 709 00:33:14,268 --> 00:33:17,684 whether it's for healthcare, customer service, clerical, 710 00:33:17,685 --> 00:33:20,932 you name it, we've got it at Morris Heights. 711 00:33:20,933 --> 00:33:21,810 We do have a table 712 00:33:21,811 --> 00:33:23,932 where we're providing free screenings today. 713 00:33:23,933 --> 00:33:25,267 We're checking the blood pressure, 714 00:33:25,268 --> 00:33:27,308 we're checking the sugar, and we're also 715 00:33:27,309 --> 00:33:32,016 doing rapid H.I.V. testing today, completely free. 716 00:33:32,017 --> 00:33:35,267 Did you hear that? Free. 717 00:33:35,268 --> 00:33:36,350 WOMAN: The idea of Gotcha Techs 718 00:33:36,351 --> 00:33:39,058 has been to help the community in ways that we are here 719 00:33:39,059 --> 00:33:40,932 working with the public library. 720 00:33:40,933 --> 00:33:45,350 So, don't think because you don't have skills currently 721 00:33:45,351 --> 00:33:47,016 that you can't attain those skills. 722 00:33:47,017 --> 00:33:49,434 Because we also work with and promote 723 00:33:49,435 --> 00:33:50,184 the library's program, 724 00:33:50,185 --> 00:33:52,932 which is the TechConnect program here at the library. 725 00:33:52,933 --> 00:33:56,932 It does a lot of training to help lift your skillset. 726 00:33:56,933 --> 00:33:58,767 (papers rustling) 727 00:33:58,768 --> 00:34:00,809 WOMAN: So we're going to pause for a minute. 728 00:34:00,810 --> 00:34:04,976 (indistinct chattering) 729 00:34:07,685 --> 00:34:11,475 MAN: We've got people who are working right now 730 00:34:11,476 --> 00:34:12,891 who are not job-ready. 731 00:34:12,893 --> 00:34:14,684 The trend is, people are getting jobs 732 00:34:14,685 --> 00:34:15,931 based on who you know. 733 00:34:15,933 --> 00:34:17,266 So, one of the things I want to do is 734 00:34:17,268 --> 00:34:18,143 I want to continue 735 00:34:18,143 --> 00:34:19,766 to add value to people. 736 00:34:19,768 --> 00:34:22,016 It doesn't matter what kind of jobs you've had, 737 00:34:22,016 --> 00:34:22,934 what kind of experience. 738 00:34:22,935 --> 00:34:26,141 If you're eager to work, I can work with you. 739 00:34:26,143 --> 00:34:28,350 Hey, you might have the education, 740 00:34:28,351 --> 00:34:30,016 you might have the experience. 741 00:34:30,016 --> 00:34:32,266 But the question is, are you going to be 742 00:34:32,268 --> 00:34:34,559 a good fit to work here? 743 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:35,684 They're looking at your personality. 744 00:34:35,685 --> 00:34:38,100 And the first five minutes of your interview 745 00:34:38,101 --> 00:34:40,225 will determine whether you get the job or not. 746 00:34:40,226 --> 00:34:41,475 Now you need to synchronize 747 00:34:41,476 --> 00:34:43,931 your responses with your body language. 748 00:34:43,933 --> 00:34:46,931 "Are you a people-person, Ms. Rodriguez?" 749 00:34:46,933 --> 00:34:48,725 "Yes, I'm a people person." 750 00:34:48,726 --> 00:34:50,684 "Mr. Torres, why should we hire you?" 751 00:34:50,685 --> 00:34:52,933 "You should hire me because I have... 752 00:34:52,934 --> 00:34:56,225 I'm very enthusiastic and I have passion." 753 00:34:56,226 --> 00:34:57,016 That's what we want. 754 00:34:57,018 --> 00:34:58,475 We want your transferrable skills 755 00:34:58,476 --> 00:35:02,933 to be transparent, so people can see that passion. 756 00:35:02,934 --> 00:35:04,932 What are your top three assets? 757 00:35:04,933 --> 00:35:07,851 You need to bring that out in an interview, okay? 758 00:35:07,852 --> 00:35:09,767 Otherwise, they won't see that. 759 00:35:09,768 --> 00:35:10,932 You know, an interview's like 760 00:35:10,933 --> 00:35:12,267 a cat-and-mouse game, right? 761 00:35:12,268 --> 00:35:13,101 "Tell me about yourself." 762 00:35:13,102 --> 00:35:14,933 "Well, I'm only going to give you limited stuff." 763 00:35:14,934 --> 00:35:16,142 It's a cat-and-mouse game. 764 00:35:16,143 --> 00:35:19,517 No, you've got to be brutally transparent. 765 00:35:19,518 --> 00:35:20,642 You want that job? 766 00:35:20,643 --> 00:35:21,851 You've got nothing to lose. 767 00:35:21,852 --> 00:35:24,308 Be transparent, be honest. 768 00:35:24,309 --> 00:35:25,726 Right? 769 00:35:26,268 --> 00:35:27,932 What have you got to lose? 770 00:35:27,933 --> 00:35:32,143 (cars rushing by) 771 00:35:44,017 --> 00:35:47,434 MAN: We are in a transformation of our branches 772 00:35:47,435 --> 00:35:49,600 from the wonderful but passive 773 00:35:49,601 --> 00:35:54,975 repositories and spaces to education centers. 774 00:35:54,976 --> 00:35:55,685 Right? 775 00:35:55,686 --> 00:35:56,932 That was my commitment to the board. 776 00:35:56,933 --> 00:35:59,600 The other commitment I made to the board is... 777 00:35:59,601 --> 00:36:01,058 And we will do this to the extent 778 00:36:01,059 --> 00:36:03,392 that we can find the resources to do it, 779 00:36:03,393 --> 00:36:05,600 we will not steal resources 780 00:36:05,601 --> 00:36:08,932 from elsewhere in the system to do this, 781 00:36:08,933 --> 00:36:10,975 I'm sticking to those commitments. 782 00:36:10,976 --> 00:36:16,058 The... what I, the way I read that, it says, 783 00:36:16,059 --> 00:36:19,932 we have to maximize how much money 784 00:36:19,933 --> 00:36:26,932 we can get or use from the city to do the middle band, 785 00:36:26,933 --> 00:36:30,932 so the... not just drop-in, but not as intensive... 786 00:36:30,933 --> 00:36:31,810 Right. Yeah. 787 00:36:31,811 --> 00:36:35,225 And the most intensive band, even if that means 788 00:36:35,226 --> 00:36:38,058 changing our model of delivery... 789 00:36:38,059 --> 00:36:39,559 Right. 790 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,851 To fit RFP 791 00:36:41,852 --> 00:36:43,183 and the city's agenda. Yeah. 792 00:36:43,184 --> 00:36:43,976 Right? Yeah. 793 00:36:43,977 --> 00:36:47,932 If we want to do more than that, 794 00:36:47,933 --> 00:36:48,933 it will be dependent 795 00:36:48,934 --> 00:36:52,142 on finding the private resources to do more than that. Right. 796 00:36:52,143 --> 00:36:53,101 Right? In a sense, 797 00:36:53,102 --> 00:36:55,932 we should set our educational priorities, 798 00:36:55,933 --> 00:36:58,350 and then let our scale decisions 799 00:36:58,351 --> 00:37:00,932 be guided by the resources we can find. 800 00:37:00,933 --> 00:37:03,225 And the... With the first priority being 801 00:37:03,226 --> 00:37:07,517 redirecting and locking in city resources. 802 00:37:07,518 --> 00:37:10,100 So maybe another way to look at this is to say, 803 00:37:10,101 --> 00:37:13,475 we need to be sustainable in these two places. 804 00:37:13,476 --> 00:37:14,393 I'm just trying to say, 805 00:37:14,394 --> 00:37:16,142 where is sustainability key, right? 806 00:37:16,143 --> 00:37:18,932 Because we can't predict where the city money 807 00:37:18,933 --> 00:37:21,684 is necessarily going to go every year, right? 808 00:37:21,685 --> 00:37:23,058 That's very unpredictable. 809 00:37:23,059 --> 00:37:25,684 And so is the development resources. 810 00:37:25,685 --> 00:37:28,183 So we're financially unpredictable. 811 00:37:28,184 --> 00:37:29,143 Does that make sense? 812 00:37:29,144 --> 00:37:31,767 So if we want to make sure you're committed 813 00:37:31,768 --> 00:37:33,517 to some sort of sustainability, 814 00:37:33,518 --> 00:37:36,725 are we saying that that is in the early literacy, 815 00:37:36,726 --> 00:37:39,932 and this second band, right? 816 00:37:39,933 --> 00:37:42,809 And is this a wonderful thing to have, 817 00:37:42,810 --> 00:37:43,810 but when you can't afford it, 818 00:37:43,811 --> 00:37:45,932 that's what you get out of it. 819 00:37:45,933 --> 00:37:48,183 Except to the degree we can shift 820 00:37:48,184 --> 00:37:50,932 to the city's programming... Right. 821 00:37:50,933 --> 00:37:53,932 to meet this, because the mayor is committed 822 00:37:53,933 --> 00:37:56,434 to additional afterschool. Right. 823 00:37:56,435 --> 00:37:58,183 And if it means... that means 824 00:37:58,184 --> 00:37:59,434 we're doing five-day-a-week 825 00:37:59,435 --> 00:38:01,267 instead of two-and-a-half-day-a-week, 826 00:38:01,268 --> 00:38:03,684 less kids, the same facilities, 827 00:38:03,685 --> 00:38:07,142 that's a good outcome, as far as I'm concerned. 828 00:38:07,143 --> 00:38:09,517 The... so... 829 00:38:09,518 --> 00:38:12,684 yes, in general, I think that's right. 830 00:38:12,685 --> 00:38:15,016 But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to continue 831 00:38:15,017 --> 00:38:17,016 to find private funds to do more, right? 832 00:38:17,017 --> 00:38:18,642 Right, yeah, of course. 833 00:38:18,643 --> 00:38:19,601 But I think it's really important 834 00:38:19,602 --> 00:38:24,517 that private fundraising is a reaction 835 00:38:24,518 --> 00:38:26,517 to our priorities and plans, 836 00:38:26,518 --> 00:38:28,933 rather than that we are given money 837 00:38:28,934 --> 00:38:31,058 that tells us how to do programming. 838 00:38:31,059 --> 00:38:32,475 So I think that's the first thing 839 00:38:32,476 --> 00:38:33,851 we all have to agree on... Right. 840 00:38:33,852 --> 00:38:36,932 Because I think in the past there has been some, like, 841 00:38:36,933 --> 00:38:39,892 somebody wants to do something and we're like, "Okay." 842 00:38:39,893 --> 00:38:41,267 You know? No, no, absolutely. 843 00:38:41,268 --> 00:38:43,517 And we are setting those priorities... 844 00:38:43,518 --> 00:38:45,559 Right here. with the banding. 845 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:46,600 Right, okay. Yes. 846 00:38:46,601 --> 00:38:47,932 I understand that, right? 847 00:38:47,933 --> 00:38:49,058 The... 848 00:38:49,059 --> 00:38:52,517 And I think we, if we can focus on what is, 849 00:38:52,518 --> 00:38:55,183 I mean, we have the capability to, A, 850 00:38:55,184 --> 00:38:57,684 find donors that are interested 851 00:38:57,685 --> 00:38:58,725 in the things we're doing, 852 00:38:58,726 --> 00:39:00,058 but also turn donors that think 853 00:39:00,059 --> 00:39:02,559 they want to start new programs and have ideas 854 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,058 away from those ideas... Away. 855 00:39:04,059 --> 00:39:08,933 And into something that's a more sustainable, 856 00:39:08,934 --> 00:39:10,434 strategic program. Agreed. 857 00:39:10,435 --> 00:39:11,892 But one of the ways we said 858 00:39:11,893 --> 00:39:13,975 that was sustainable is invest in this, 859 00:39:13,976 --> 00:39:16,933 it will demonstrate to the city that they should invest now, 860 00:39:16,934 --> 00:39:19,100 and then money flips over, 861 00:39:19,101 --> 00:39:21,100 which is the process we're in the middle of... 862 00:39:21,101 --> 00:39:21,976 Right. Which also requires 863 00:39:21,977 --> 00:39:25,517 some, some tweaks of our policy choices, 864 00:39:25,518 --> 00:39:27,517 which is fine as long as we're still 865 00:39:27,518 --> 00:39:28,932 doing what we want to 866 00:39:28,933 --> 00:39:31,308 and believe the citizens need us to do. 867 00:39:31,309 --> 00:39:32,851 I mean, the way I think about this 868 00:39:32,852 --> 00:39:34,600 on a macro scale... Iris, tell me 869 00:39:34,601 --> 00:39:37,350 whether this is cockamamie or not, 870 00:39:37,351 --> 00:39:41,932 is, since 2008... cut, city cuts, 871 00:39:41,933 --> 00:39:45,932 learned massive efficiencies, you know, with thanks 872 00:39:45,933 --> 00:39:51,559 to Christopher and everyone in the branches. 873 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,100 Now the money is moving towards restoration. 874 00:39:55,101 --> 00:40:00,975 Rather than use those resources to sort of simply go back 875 00:40:00,976 --> 00:40:02,600 to our previous practices, 876 00:40:02,601 --> 00:40:04,932 some of which we learned were more inefficient 877 00:40:04,933 --> 00:40:09,267 than they needed to be, to use that reinvestment 878 00:40:09,268 --> 00:40:10,851 for two purposes. 879 00:40:10,852 --> 00:40:12,392 One, additional time, 880 00:40:12,393 --> 00:40:15,809 that just takes staff, et cetera, of all kinds. 881 00:40:15,810 --> 00:40:18,932 And, two, additional educational programming. 882 00:40:18,933 --> 00:40:21,475 Is that... that's my general... 883 00:40:21,476 --> 00:40:24,642 And to the degree that private money 884 00:40:24,643 --> 00:40:30,142 helps to seed that and add to that on top, 885 00:40:30,143 --> 00:40:30,893 that's great. 886 00:40:30,894 --> 00:40:33,975 Remember, this is a public-private partnership. 887 00:40:33,976 --> 00:40:35,851 So we use private money 888 00:40:35,852 --> 00:40:39,684 to try to jumpstart public money. 889 00:40:39,685 --> 00:40:42,225 Now, let's use public money 890 00:40:42,226 --> 00:40:45,932 to try to up the ante for private money. 891 00:40:45,933 --> 00:40:48,933 That's how this builds, right? 892 00:40:53,934 --> 00:40:59,933 (quiet hum) 893 00:41:02,101 --> 00:41:03,726 (phone text tone) 894 00:41:08,435 --> 00:41:10,309 (phone text tone) 895 00:41:15,059 --> 00:41:18,101 (phone text tone) 896 00:41:29,601 --> 00:41:32,101 (coughing in distance) 897 00:41:42,976 --> 00:41:46,017 (machine hums quietly) 898 00:41:53,768 --> 00:41:56,226 (clicking) 899 00:42:07,309 --> 00:42:09,225 (phone text tone) 900 00:42:09,226 --> 00:42:12,226 (clicking mouse) 901 00:42:19,226 --> 00:42:23,934 (whispering) 902 00:42:35,726 --> 00:42:40,476 (cell phone ringing) 903 00:43:02,226 --> 00:43:04,852 (phone text tone) 904 00:43:07,601 --> 00:43:09,308 (coughing in background) 905 00:43:09,309 --> 00:43:10,932 (keyboard clicking) 906 00:43:10,933 --> 00:43:13,933 (chair scraping on floor) 907 00:43:30,685 --> 00:43:33,932 (machine dial clicking quietly) 908 00:43:33,933 --> 00:43:36,852 (humming) 909 00:43:43,726 --> 00:43:45,684 (fire engine honking) 910 00:43:45,685 --> 00:43:51,933 (fire engine honking grows louder) 911 00:43:53,643 --> 00:43:56,810 (fire engine honking grows faint) 912 00:43:58,476 --> 00:44:03,933 (cart rattling) 913 00:44:06,476 --> 00:44:09,392 WOMAN: So, hi everybody, 914 00:44:09,393 --> 00:44:11,517 thanks for coming. 915 00:44:11,518 --> 00:44:13,016 This is my favorite day of the whole semester, 916 00:44:13,017 --> 00:44:15,183 coming to the picture collection. 917 00:44:15,184 --> 00:44:17,932 And I'm going to hand it over to Billy, 918 00:44:17,933 --> 00:44:19,434 who's going to explain 919 00:44:19,435 --> 00:44:22,932 how this particular section of the library works, 920 00:44:22,933 --> 00:44:28,933 and how we will be working here, finding our inspiration. 921 00:44:28,934 --> 00:44:29,852 Okay, so, welcome. 922 00:44:29,853 --> 00:44:33,642 This collection opened in 1915 923 00:44:33,643 --> 00:44:35,267 at the main library across the street, 924 00:44:35,268 --> 00:44:36,933 the Stephen A. Schwarzman Building, 925 00:44:36,934 --> 00:44:37,975 the one with the lions. 926 00:44:37,976 --> 00:44:40,267 If you think about what was happening in New York City 927 00:44:40,268 --> 00:44:42,142 at that time, 1915, 928 00:44:42,143 --> 00:44:44,308 so like right at the tail end 929 00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:48,058 of the immigration explosion, 930 00:44:48,059 --> 00:44:49,932 um, and if you think of how that affects 931 00:44:49,933 --> 00:44:51,475 absolutely everything, 932 00:44:51,476 --> 00:44:53,392 from businesses to advertising, 933 00:44:53,393 --> 00:44:58,767 and artists having new jobs, or more jobs, 934 00:44:58,768 --> 00:44:59,932 so lots of artists at that time period, 935 00:44:59,933 --> 00:45:02,016 if you think of the environment they were working in, 936 00:45:02,017 --> 00:45:06,434 they had lots of things, new jobs, advertising. 937 00:45:06,435 --> 00:45:07,559 Instead of going across the street 938 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,809 with very specific needs, you know, 939 00:45:09,810 --> 00:45:10,810 "I need a picture of this 940 00:45:10,811 --> 00:45:13,100 'cause I have an ad that's... the deadline's tomorrow." 941 00:45:13,101 --> 00:45:16,183 And we actually have examples of the things 942 00:45:16,184 --> 00:45:17,143 people were asking for. 943 00:45:17,143 --> 00:45:17,934 We kept journals at that time 944 00:45:17,935 --> 00:45:19,517 to see what they were asking for, 945 00:45:19,518 --> 00:45:20,393 in case we had it or not. 946 00:45:20,394 --> 00:45:22,559 And some of this stuff was really, really specific. 947 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,350 Like, "I need a picture of dolls being carried 948 00:45:24,351 --> 00:45:28,434 into France by an Italian in the 18th century." 949 00:45:28,435 --> 00:45:29,642 Like, you know, I don't know 950 00:45:29,643 --> 00:45:30,932 what the person was working on. 951 00:45:30,933 --> 00:45:32,600 A lot of the times things are just simple. 952 00:45:32,601 --> 00:45:33,684 I need a picture of a giraffe, 953 00:45:33,685 --> 00:45:35,932 or a picture of somebody holding an umbrella. 954 00:45:35,933 --> 00:45:37,725 Sometimes it's really complicated. 955 00:45:37,726 --> 00:45:41,142 And that library has millions of pictures. 956 00:45:41,143 --> 00:45:42,183 They've got lots of stuff. 957 00:45:42,184 --> 00:45:44,642 The problem is, the way it's organized, 958 00:45:44,643 --> 00:45:46,851 it's by creator's name and title. 959 00:45:46,852 --> 00:45:48,434 So if it's a picture of a giraffe, 960 00:45:48,435 --> 00:45:50,809 but taken by a particular photographer, 961 00:45:50,810 --> 00:45:52,892 or you know, it's a printmaking, 962 00:45:52,893 --> 00:45:54,642 you know, an etching or something, 963 00:45:54,643 --> 00:45:55,393 that's how it's organized. 964 00:45:55,394 --> 00:45:56,809 So if you go in looking for something 965 00:45:56,810 --> 00:46:00,559 based on a subject, it's hard to find. 966 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:01,684 So what they slowly started doing 967 00:46:01,685 --> 00:46:04,016 is collecting stuff by subject heading. 968 00:46:04,017 --> 00:46:05,932 So when somebody came in looking for pictures 969 00:46:05,933 --> 00:46:07,350 of fortune tellers, 970 00:46:07,351 --> 00:46:08,767 or pictures of people in raincoats, 971 00:46:08,768 --> 00:46:11,267 or pictures of people seen from behind, 972 00:46:11,268 --> 00:46:12,226 there would just be a folder, 973 00:46:12,227 --> 00:46:13,851 and those things would be in that folder. 974 00:46:13,852 --> 00:46:15,809 And a hundred years later, we're still here. 975 00:46:15,810 --> 00:46:17,932 So yeah, so the past hundred years, 976 00:46:17,933 --> 00:46:20,932 every single working artist in New York City 977 00:46:20,933 --> 00:46:21,933 probably used this collection. 978 00:46:21,934 --> 00:46:24,892 In the '30s, Diego Rivera, when he was doing murals, 979 00:46:24,893 --> 00:46:27,517 had a little incident at Rockefeller Center, 980 00:46:27,518 --> 00:46:30,932 some of you might know about. 981 00:46:30,933 --> 00:46:31,975 And later that year, he was doing 982 00:46:31,976 --> 00:46:36,559 labor union hall murals at the New Workers School. 983 00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,932 He sent people to this collection. 984 00:46:38,933 --> 00:46:42,933 Joseph Cornell lived in Queens on Utopia Parkway. 985 00:46:42,934 --> 00:46:44,434 He used this collection constantly, 986 00:46:44,435 --> 00:46:47,016 if you've ever seen his boxes in his collages. 987 00:46:47,017 --> 00:46:48,392 Most of the images in those boxes 988 00:46:48,393 --> 00:46:51,434 were, like, sourced from the picture collection. 989 00:46:51,435 --> 00:46:55,475 Andy Warhol stole lots of stuff from us. 990 00:46:55,476 --> 00:46:56,517 I'll stop a little bit, 991 00:46:56,518 --> 00:46:57,518 I'll let Jay jump in, 992 00:46:57,519 --> 00:46:59,142 and if you have a question, just ask. 993 00:46:59,143 --> 00:47:05,225 This is the world's largest circulating free picture file. 994 00:47:05,226 --> 00:47:07,851 And, as he was mentioning, 995 00:47:07,852 --> 00:47:10,350 this is a place that's meant to be used 996 00:47:10,351 --> 00:47:11,932 by people who make things 997 00:47:11,933 --> 00:47:14,600 and think of ideas and are artists. 998 00:47:14,601 --> 00:47:15,642 You don't need to wear gloves, 999 00:47:15,643 --> 00:47:16,975 you don't need to make an appointment, 1000 00:47:16,976 --> 00:47:18,932 we don't keep things in plastic bags, 1001 00:47:18,933 --> 00:47:21,517 like baseball cards or old comic books. 1002 00:47:21,518 --> 00:47:25,809 You're encouraged to use what is here. 1003 00:47:25,810 --> 00:47:27,809 So, as an example 1004 00:47:27,810 --> 00:47:31,100 of what you see around you in all these files, 1005 00:47:31,101 --> 00:47:36,933 this is a file called "Dogs in Action." 1006 00:47:36,934 --> 00:47:37,933 We have lots of dog files. 1007 00:47:37,934 --> 00:47:40,932 There's dogs by breed, there's just dogs in general. 1008 00:47:40,933 --> 00:47:43,016 This is "Dogs in Action." 1009 00:47:43,017 --> 00:47:45,932 Look at the range of pictures there are, 1010 00:47:45,933 --> 00:47:48,976 and the different styles. 1011 00:47:49,976 --> 00:47:54,643 There's a person having fun with a large dog. 1012 00:47:55,101 --> 00:47:58,601 A dog that fetched the newspaper. 1013 00:48:00,643 --> 00:48:01,933 Digging. 1014 00:48:04,933 --> 00:48:07,059 Leaping and wet. 1015 00:48:08,393 --> 00:48:09,101 Somebody trying 1016 00:48:09,102 --> 00:48:10,600 to pull a dog's jaws open, 1017 00:48:10,601 --> 00:48:13,893 maybe to give it a pill or something like that. 1018 00:48:14,017 --> 00:48:17,684 A pit bull chewing a ball to pieces 1019 00:48:17,685 --> 00:48:20,101 until there isn't anything left of it. 1020 00:48:21,017 --> 00:48:25,225 A dog jumping out of a bathtub, from an ad. 1021 00:48:25,226 --> 00:48:27,475 A dog, again, flying through the air, 1022 00:48:27,476 --> 00:48:29,434 all four feet off the ground. 1023 00:48:29,435 --> 00:48:33,225 And, again, tug of war with a piece of clothing. 1024 00:48:33,226 --> 00:48:37,932 So, besides this being a file of dogs doing stuff, 1025 00:48:37,933 --> 00:48:41,308 you saw the different range of pictures there were. 1026 00:48:41,309 --> 00:48:46,932 Photos, drawings, prints, all different sorts of stuff. 1027 00:48:46,933 --> 00:48:49,058 Different moods, some looked threatening, 1028 00:48:49,059 --> 00:48:51,932 some looked silly, some looked happy. 1029 00:48:51,933 --> 00:48:54,809 That's how this can be useful for you, 1030 00:48:54,810 --> 00:48:57,932 because you're into drama and the stage. 1031 00:48:57,933 --> 00:49:02,475 And what we have here is mostly arranged by topic. 1032 00:49:02,476 --> 00:49:03,932 As was mentioned before, 1033 00:49:03,933 --> 00:49:06,932 we have pictures of atomic explosions, 1034 00:49:06,933 --> 00:49:10,434 pictures of shoes, of pickles, of umbrellas, 1035 00:49:10,435 --> 00:49:11,932 all different sorts of things. 1036 00:49:11,933 --> 00:49:17,933 There are very few pictures that are by mood or type. 1037 00:49:17,934 --> 00:49:19,350 What the librarians here do, 1038 00:49:19,351 --> 00:49:20,932 what the person at the desk does, 1039 00:49:20,933 --> 00:49:22,100 if you ask them a question, 1040 00:49:22,101 --> 00:49:24,932 they say, "What comes to your mind 1041 00:49:24,933 --> 00:49:26,809 when you think of this?" 1042 00:49:26,810 --> 00:49:29,559 If you can tell the person at the desk 1043 00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,767 what you're thinking of, 1044 00:49:31,768 --> 00:49:32,932 we can tell you the places 1045 00:49:32,933 --> 00:49:34,975 to look to composite that. 1046 00:49:34,976 --> 00:49:37,267 It's very much about inspiration, 1047 00:49:37,268 --> 00:49:39,642 and about how we translate that inspiration 1048 00:49:39,643 --> 00:49:42,932 into pictures of specific things. 1049 00:49:42,933 --> 00:49:46,809 So what you see around you, all these files, 1050 00:49:46,810 --> 00:49:51,016 each file is one subject or one thing 1051 00:49:51,017 --> 00:49:54,225 or one occurrence or one happening. 1052 00:49:54,226 --> 00:49:56,058 It's basically split into two halves. 1053 00:49:56,059 --> 00:50:01,517 This wall, famous people, A to Z by last name. 1054 00:50:01,518 --> 00:50:02,518 Royalty in the corner. 1055 00:50:02,519 --> 00:50:04,392 They have their own because they're exclusive 1056 00:50:04,393 --> 00:50:07,100 and don't want to mingle with the common people. 1057 00:50:07,101 --> 00:50:08,932 And then there's everything else, 1058 00:50:08,933 --> 00:50:10,600 A to Z. 1059 00:50:10,601 --> 00:50:11,393 All these things 1060 00:50:11,394 --> 00:50:13,058 that we've described. 1061 00:50:13,059 --> 00:50:14,434 And the things that we have here, 1062 00:50:14,435 --> 00:50:17,142 the hundred years is important, too. 1063 00:50:17,143 --> 00:50:19,517 Because it's not like we started a year ago 1064 00:50:19,518 --> 00:50:21,975 and just looked for all these things 1065 00:50:21,976 --> 00:50:23,809 and filled up the files. 1066 00:50:23,810 --> 00:50:25,932 We have been clipping the pictures 1067 00:50:25,933 --> 00:50:26,726 for a hundred years 1068 00:50:26,727 --> 00:50:28,932 as these events were happening. 1069 00:50:28,933 --> 00:50:30,975 So there's not only the interest 1070 00:50:30,976 --> 00:50:32,308 of actually touching something 1071 00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:34,851 that might be 70 years old, 1072 00:50:34,852 --> 00:50:38,350 these are advertisements from that time period. 1073 00:50:38,351 --> 00:50:40,932 So you get to see the typefaces they used, 1074 00:50:40,933 --> 00:50:43,892 you get to see how they could reproduce color, 1075 00:50:43,893 --> 00:50:46,975 how they portrayed women, minorities, 1076 00:50:46,976 --> 00:50:47,933 things like that. 1077 00:50:47,934 --> 00:50:51,350 You can see the look of different things 1078 00:50:51,351 --> 00:50:53,933 changing through history as people's attitudes 1079 00:50:53,934 --> 00:50:56,809 and the technology of reproduction has changed. 1080 00:50:56,810 --> 00:51:00,267 So, it really is like looking back in time. 1081 00:51:00,268 --> 00:51:03,016 A lot of the '50s and '60s stuff here 1082 00:51:03,017 --> 00:51:05,058 is from the '50s and '60s. 1083 00:51:05,059 --> 00:51:06,851 There's stuff from the 1900s. 1084 00:51:06,852 --> 00:51:09,684 WOMAN: I'm going to give you time to go around 1085 00:51:09,685 --> 00:51:14,392 and look for the pictures for your specific scenes. 1086 00:51:14,393 --> 00:51:17,684 And if you want to share the folder, that's fine, 1087 00:51:17,685 --> 00:51:18,892 but have your own pictures. 1088 00:51:18,893 --> 00:51:20,725 So, you have your own inspiration, 1089 00:51:20,726 --> 00:51:22,933 your own research. 1090 00:51:30,685 --> 00:51:34,059 (quiet chattering in background) 1091 00:51:37,184 --> 00:51:38,976 (rustling) 1092 00:52:04,933 --> 00:52:11,435 (inaudible chattering) 1093 00:52:17,268 --> 00:52:19,726 (giggling) 1094 00:52:26,726 --> 00:52:31,518 (papers rustling) 1095 00:52:42,226 --> 00:52:45,518 (quiet hum) 1096 00:52:49,393 --> 00:52:52,143 (distant clanging) 1097 00:52:58,309 --> 00:53:01,933 (coughing in background) (creaking) 1098 00:53:04,143 --> 00:53:10,268 (chattering in background) 1099 00:53:18,351 --> 00:53:22,642 My grandparents were all second-generation New York Jews. 1100 00:53:22,643 --> 00:53:23,684 They were not immigrants, 1101 00:53:23,685 --> 00:53:25,932 they were the children of immigrants. 1102 00:53:25,933 --> 00:53:28,932 And I was very interested in the journey 1103 00:53:28,933 --> 00:53:30,225 that they took, right? 1104 00:53:30,226 --> 00:53:32,809 I mean, we talk a lot about the immigrant journey 1105 00:53:32,810 --> 00:53:36,684 from Eastern Europe to the Lower East Side, right? 1106 00:53:36,685 --> 00:53:38,183 But we don't think as much 1107 00:53:38,184 --> 00:53:40,932 about what it was like for their children, 1108 00:53:40,933 --> 00:53:45,932 who had the opportunity to become more American, 1109 00:53:45,933 --> 00:53:46,975 and yet they were still very much 1110 00:53:46,976 --> 00:53:49,725 tied to their parents and to the culture 1111 00:53:49,726 --> 00:53:50,932 that they had grown up in 1112 00:53:50,933 --> 00:53:52,058 on the Lower East Side. 1113 00:53:52,059 --> 00:53:53,892 And so my first book, I mean, my dissertation 1114 00:53:53,893 --> 00:53:57,225 and then my first book, was about the depiction 1115 00:53:57,226 --> 00:54:00,851 of second-generation New York Jewish life 1116 00:54:00,852 --> 00:54:01,393 in vaudeville, 1117 00:54:01,394 --> 00:54:04,932 and in silent film, and in Broadway theater, 1118 00:54:04,933 --> 00:54:07,932 and in music, and comic strips, 1119 00:54:07,933 --> 00:54:08,852 and comedy. 1120 00:54:08,853 --> 00:54:11,058 And then I realized, after I finished writing that, 1121 00:54:11,059 --> 00:54:14,434 there was a whole aspect to it that I hadn't explored, 1122 00:54:14,435 --> 00:54:17,932 which was, where did all of these scenes 1123 00:54:17,933 --> 00:54:21,932 in film and theater and comedy take place? 1124 00:54:21,933 --> 00:54:25,932 Well, they almost all took place in delis. 1125 00:54:25,933 --> 00:54:27,058 (laughs) 1126 00:54:27,059 --> 00:54:28,434 There was something about the deli 1127 00:54:28,435 --> 00:54:31,725 as a location of New York Jewish life 1128 00:54:31,726 --> 00:54:35,100 that had never really been analyzed. 1129 00:54:35,101 --> 00:54:36,142 And then I said to myself, 1130 00:54:36,143 --> 00:54:40,600 "Well, let me try to figure out, how many delis were there?" 1131 00:54:40,601 --> 00:54:42,142 And where were they located? 1132 00:54:42,143 --> 00:54:43,434 And what was their function 1133 00:54:43,435 --> 00:54:47,600 in terms of the social and economic life 1134 00:54:47,601 --> 00:54:49,434 of the Jews during that period? 1135 00:54:49,435 --> 00:54:51,932 The delicatessen, and the food that was served 1136 00:54:51,933 --> 00:54:54,225 in the delicatessen, become important 1137 00:54:54,226 --> 00:54:57,308 not just for Jews, but for the identity 1138 00:54:57,309 --> 00:54:58,932 of the city as a whole. 1139 00:54:58,933 --> 00:55:01,475 I mean, we think about New York as the Big Apple. 1140 00:55:01,476 --> 00:55:02,932 But I don't think most people, 1141 00:55:02,933 --> 00:55:06,392 when they come to New York, start eating apples. 1142 00:55:06,393 --> 00:55:08,267 (laughing): It's not the first thing 1143 00:55:08,268 --> 00:55:11,267 that you want to eat when you come to New York. 1144 00:55:11,268 --> 00:55:14,559 Right? People want to eat a pastrami sandwich. 1145 00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,767 And, you know what's interesting about both of those, 1146 00:55:16,768 --> 00:55:19,142 and I write about this in the book, that, again, 1147 00:55:19,143 --> 00:55:21,517 they're both symbols of carnality, right? 1148 00:55:21,518 --> 00:55:23,767 They both have a sexual undertone to them. 1149 00:55:23,768 --> 00:55:25,392 I mean, the apple, obviously, 1150 00:55:25,393 --> 00:55:27,600 right, from the bible. 1151 00:55:27,601 --> 00:55:28,932 And the overstuffed, 1152 00:55:28,933 --> 00:55:33,308 or in Yiddish,ongeshtopt, pastrami sandwich. 1153 00:55:33,309 --> 00:55:35,932 There is a kind of very crude 1154 00:55:35,933 --> 00:55:37,434 sexual imagery. 1155 00:55:37,435 --> 00:55:38,059 This was the time 1156 00:55:38,060 --> 00:55:40,267 after the First World War that Jews are moving 1157 00:55:40,268 --> 00:55:43,183 out of the Lower East Side, they're moving to the Bronx, 1158 00:55:43,184 --> 00:55:43,933 they're moving to Brooklyn, 1159 00:55:43,934 --> 00:55:45,684 all the places that we said before, right? 1160 00:55:45,685 --> 00:55:46,932 They're moving uptown to Harlem, which was 1161 00:55:46,933 --> 00:55:48,350 a very Jewish neighborhood 1162 00:55:48,351 --> 00:55:50,517 in the years between the wars. 1163 00:55:50,518 --> 00:55:54,684 And they are beginning somewhat to move more 1164 00:55:54,685 --> 00:55:56,350 into the mainstream of American society. 1165 00:55:56,351 --> 00:55:59,016 It's still a very, very anti-Semitic culture 1166 00:55:59,017 --> 00:56:00,932 that they're living in, right? 1167 00:56:00,933 --> 00:56:03,016 1920s is probably the most anti-Semitic 1168 00:56:03,017 --> 00:56:04,933 decade in American history. 1169 00:56:04,934 --> 00:56:06,892 You have the rise of the KKK, 1170 00:56:06,893 --> 00:56:08,475 you have Henry Ford, you know, 1171 00:56:08,476 --> 00:56:09,975 in the pages of the Dearborn Independent, 1172 00:56:09,976 --> 00:56:11,892 who was constantly fulminating against Jews 1173 00:56:11,893 --> 00:56:13,100 and saying that they're destroying... 1174 00:56:13,101 --> 00:56:15,684 You know, he's a follower of Adolf Hitler. 1175 00:56:15,685 --> 00:56:17,767 I mean, really bad anti-Semitism. 1176 00:56:17,768 --> 00:56:18,435 There's a red scare, 1177 00:56:18,436 --> 00:56:21,559 which is often associated with the Jews, right? 1178 00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,767 But Jews are finding 1179 00:56:24,768 --> 00:56:26,725 a niche, at least 1180 00:56:26,726 --> 00:56:28,932 in the New York economy, partly through 1181 00:56:28,933 --> 00:56:31,932 their involvement in the entertainment business, 1182 00:56:31,933 --> 00:56:33,932 because Jews are very, very heavily involved 1183 00:56:33,933 --> 00:56:35,725 in entertainment, right? 1184 00:56:35,726 --> 00:56:37,058 At a time when it's seen 1185 00:56:37,059 --> 00:56:39,725 to be quite disreputable to be making movies 1186 00:56:39,726 --> 00:56:41,016 and to be involved in the theater, 1187 00:56:41,017 --> 00:56:42,600 and so on and so forth. 1188 00:56:42,601 --> 00:56:44,684 And they also are moving very much 1189 00:56:44,685 --> 00:56:46,225 into food-related businesses. 1190 00:56:46,226 --> 00:56:48,225 And, of course, they're very involved 1191 00:56:48,226 --> 00:56:50,932 in the garment industry, right? 1192 00:56:50,933 --> 00:56:52,809 And they have a sense of popular taste 1193 00:56:52,810 --> 00:56:55,932 and what people want and what people are... 1194 00:56:55,933 --> 00:56:56,933 Are looking for. 1195 00:56:56,933 --> 00:56:57,933 So, World War II... 1196 00:56:57,934 --> 00:57:00,933 "Send a salami to your boy in the army." 1197 00:57:00,934 --> 00:57:02,932 "Send a salami." Why are you sending a salami? 1198 00:57:02,933 --> 00:57:04,267 This gets back to this whole theme 1199 00:57:04,268 --> 00:57:05,933 that I've been talking about, right, 1200 00:57:05,934 --> 00:57:06,933 of sexuality. 1201 00:57:06,934 --> 00:57:08,016 Why are you sending a salami? 1202 00:57:08,017 --> 00:57:08,933 There's a reason, right? 1203 00:57:08,934 --> 00:57:10,642 I mean, it's this sort of phallic symbol. 1204 00:57:10,643 --> 00:57:14,016 And so, if the whole point is that you're sending a salami 1205 00:57:14,017 --> 00:57:16,642 to give your son a dose of virility 1206 00:57:16,643 --> 00:57:17,932 so that he can defeat the enemy 1207 00:57:17,933 --> 00:57:21,225 and return safely to the bosom of his family, right? 1208 00:57:21,226 --> 00:57:23,142 I mean, that's the whole point of it, right? 1209 00:57:23,143 --> 00:57:24,933 I mean, subconsciously, right? 1210 00:57:24,934 --> 00:57:26,725 There's a lot of subconscious symbolism 1211 00:57:26,726 --> 00:57:29,183 that I'm trying to suggest is going on here. 1212 00:57:29,184 --> 00:57:31,016 What's happening after World War II is 1213 00:57:31,017 --> 00:57:32,517 Jews are moving out of the city, 1214 00:57:32,518 --> 00:57:34,975 they're moving to the suburbs, right? 1215 00:57:34,976 --> 00:57:37,517 And they're no longer congregating in delis 1216 00:57:37,518 --> 00:57:38,642 to the extent that they used to, 1217 00:57:38,643 --> 00:57:40,559 because they're not living 1218 00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:41,600 in close proximity to one another 1219 00:57:41,601 --> 00:57:44,559 and to the neighborhood deli anymore, right? 1220 00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:45,725 So you have shopping centers, 1221 00:57:45,726 --> 00:57:48,932 but how many delis do you need in a shopping center, right? 1222 00:57:48,933 --> 00:57:51,684 Jews are much more part of, or want to be much more 1223 00:57:51,685 --> 00:57:54,267 a part of the fabric of American society. 1224 00:57:54,268 --> 00:57:56,350 So the food doesn't go away, 1225 00:57:56,351 --> 00:57:57,809 but where is the food being sold now 1226 00:57:57,810 --> 00:57:59,932 if it's not being sold in delis? 1227 00:57:59,933 --> 00:58:03,184 Supermarkets, right? 1228 00:58:04,268 --> 00:58:05,392 (playing ad jingle on computer) 1229 00:58:05,393 --> 00:58:07,142 ♪ For that old-fashioned flavor ♪ 1230 00:58:07,143 --> 00:58:08,932 ♪ That all the folks favor ♪ 1231 00:58:08,933 --> 00:58:10,932 ♪ Try Hebrew National Meats ♪ 1232 00:58:10,933 --> 00:58:15,100 ♪ They're a treat, to be sure, 'cause the beef is so pure ♪ 1233 00:58:15,101 --> 00:58:17,851 ♪ In Hebrew National Meats ♪ 1234 00:58:17,852 --> 00:58:20,559 ♪ You'll find corn beef, and roast beef, salami ♪ 1235 00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:24,892 ♪ Pastrami, and wonderful frankfurters, too ♪ 1236 00:58:24,893 --> 00:58:26,267 ♪ They are surely delicious ♪ 1237 00:58:26,268 --> 00:58:29,932 ♪ And purely nutritious, those Hebrew National... ♪ 1238 00:58:29,933 --> 00:58:32,309 (fading): ♪ Hebrew National... ♪ 1239 00:58:34,017 --> 00:58:36,893 (footsteps approaching) 1240 00:58:37,768 --> 00:58:41,059 (footsteps echoing) 1241 00:58:44,226 --> 00:58:45,434 ELVIS COSTELLO: My mother sold records 1242 00:58:45,435 --> 00:58:48,725 while my father tried to make his way in jazz. 1243 00:58:48,726 --> 00:58:50,975 He had a certain charm, and he could sing, 1244 00:58:50,976 --> 00:58:54,767 and therefore he got a job with a number of dance bands. 1245 00:58:54,768 --> 00:58:55,851 And the year after I was born, 1246 00:58:55,852 --> 00:58:57,932 he got a job with the Joe Loss Orchestra, 1247 00:58:57,933 --> 00:58:58,726 which was probably 1248 00:58:58,727 --> 00:59:01,975 the most successful dance band of its day. 1249 00:59:01,976 --> 00:59:03,767 Can we hear him singing? 1250 00:59:03,768 --> 00:59:04,932 We can hear him singing... 1251 00:59:04,933 --> 00:59:06,932 With that, that one moment. 1252 00:59:06,933 --> 00:59:07,933 Do you want... Do you want to see, 1253 00:59:07,934 --> 00:59:09,932 so those of you that watch the television 1254 00:59:09,933 --> 00:59:10,933 may have seen him singing... 1255 00:59:10,934 --> 00:59:12,932 Yeah, but it's all right, they can watch it again. 1256 00:59:12,933 --> 00:59:15,932 It's so, it's so... it's so extraordinary. 1257 00:59:15,933 --> 00:59:17,725 Well, there's a little story behind this 1258 00:59:17,726 --> 00:59:20,932 particular little clip we're going to see. 1259 00:59:20,933 --> 00:59:25,932 You've got to understand, the bands of the 1950s 1260 00:59:25,933 --> 00:59:28,767 were well-suited to play the music of the day. 1261 00:59:28,768 --> 00:59:30,851 It was Frankie Laine and Johnnie Ray. 1262 00:59:30,852 --> 00:59:34,434 When beat music and rock 'n' roll came in, 1263 00:59:34,435 --> 00:59:36,058 they weren't so suited to it, 1264 00:59:36,059 --> 00:59:36,933 so they had to find work 1265 00:59:36,934 --> 00:59:39,932 for the saxophone players and the trombone players. 1266 00:59:39,933 --> 00:59:42,932 While the singers could be quite adaptable, 1267 00:59:42,933 --> 00:59:44,932 they were having to cover records 1268 00:59:44,933 --> 00:59:47,559 out of the charts that were not necessarily 1269 00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:49,225 that suitable for this lineup. 1270 00:59:49,226 --> 00:59:51,892 And then I suppose this happened. 1271 00:59:51,893 --> 00:59:53,308 (music emanating from computer) 1272 00:59:53,309 --> 00:59:55,350 (singer trilling) 1273 00:59:55,351 --> 00:59:57,600 ROSS McMANUS: ♪ Whoa ♪ 1274 00:59:57,601 --> 00:59:59,768 ♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh ♪ 1275 01:00:02,518 --> 01:00:07,684 ♪ Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa ♪ 1276 01:00:07,685 --> 01:00:09,058 ♪ Whoa ♪ 1277 01:00:09,059 --> 01:00:09,934 ♪ If I had a hammer ♪ 1278 01:00:09,935 --> 01:00:11,308 BACKUP SINGERS: ♪ If I had a hammer ♪ 1279 01:00:11,309 --> 01:00:12,809 McMANUS: ♪ I'd hammer in the morning ♪ 1280 01:00:12,810 --> 01:00:13,932 ♪ Hammer in the morning ♪ 1281 01:00:13,933 --> 01:00:15,142 ♪ I'd hammer in the evening ♪ 1282 01:00:15,143 --> 01:00:16,434 ♪ Hammer in the evening ♪ 1283 01:00:16,435 --> 01:00:17,517 ♪ All over this land ♪ 1284 01:00:17,518 --> 01:00:19,058 ♪ All over this land ♪ 1285 01:00:19,059 --> 01:00:21,475 ♪ I sing about danger ♪ 1286 01:00:21,476 --> 01:00:23,392 ♪ I sing a warning here ♪ 1287 01:00:23,393 --> 01:00:27,016 ♪ I sing about the love between my brothers and my sisters ♪ 1288 01:00:27,017 --> 01:00:29,932 ♪ All over, all over this land ♪ 1289 01:00:29,933 --> 01:00:32,475 ♪ Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa ♪ 1290 01:00:32,476 --> 01:00:38,975 ♪ Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa ♪ 1291 01:00:38,976 --> 01:00:40,142 ♪ I've got a hammer ♪ 1292 01:00:40,143 --> 01:00:41,308 ♪ I've got a hammer ♪ 1293 01:00:41,309 --> 01:00:43,392 ♪ And I've got a bell ♪ ♪ I've got a bell ♪ 1294 01:00:43,393 --> 01:00:47,725 ♪ And I've got a song to sing all over this land ♪ 1295 01:00:47,726 --> 01:00:48,809 ♪ All over this land ♪ 1296 01:00:48,810 --> 01:00:51,183 ♪ It's the hammer of justice ♪ 1297 01:00:51,184 --> 01:00:53,767 ♪ It's the hammer of freedom ♪ 1298 01:00:53,768 --> 01:00:54,933 ♪ And to talk about the love between ♪ 1299 01:00:54,934 --> 01:01:00,225 ♪ My brothers and my sisters all over, all over this land ♪ 1300 01:01:00,226 --> 01:01:02,392 ♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ 1301 01:01:02,393 --> 01:01:03,975 ♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah! ♪ 1302 01:01:03,976 --> 01:01:06,100 ♪ All over this land ♪ 1303 01:01:06,101 --> 01:01:07,932 ♪ Ooh, all over this land ♪ 1304 01:01:07,933 --> 01:01:09,392 ♪ Ooh, all over this land... ♪ 1305 01:01:09,393 --> 01:01:11,100 Certainly there is a... 1306 01:01:11,101 --> 01:01:13,975 there is a slight family resemblance. 1307 01:01:13,976 --> 01:01:15,809 (laughter) 1308 01:01:15,810 --> 01:01:18,517 Only around the eyes, not around the feet. 1309 01:01:18,518 --> 01:01:19,932 Er... 1310 01:01:19,933 --> 01:01:22,932 INTERVIEWER: I want to read something that is actually quite smart. 1311 01:01:22,933 --> 01:01:27,267 I think Greil Marcus, beautifully in an interview, 1312 01:01:27,268 --> 01:01:31,851 characterizes this moment of revenge and guilt. 1313 01:01:31,852 --> 01:01:33,932 He says, "Elvis Costello was someone 1314 01:01:33,933 --> 01:01:36,308 "who you'd better not cross. 1315 01:01:36,309 --> 01:01:38,016 "He was someone who was, 1316 01:01:38,017 --> 01:01:40,559 "as he said in his first interview... 1317 01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:44,725 "and I really do believe this is the key to his career... 1318 01:01:44,726 --> 01:01:48,058 "he said the only emotions he understood 1319 01:01:48,059 --> 01:01:49,559 "were revenge and guilt. 1320 01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:54,642 "Whether or not he's recording with the Brodsky Quartet, 1321 01:01:54,643 --> 01:01:56,684 "as he did on The Juliet Letters, 1322 01:01:56,685 --> 01:01:58,892 "or whether he's simply standing up 1323 01:01:58,893 --> 01:02:01,183 "and singing 'Tramp the Dirt Down, ' 1324 01:02:01,184 --> 01:02:03,058 "which is a song about 1325 01:02:03,059 --> 01:02:06,350 "how he wants to dance on Thatcher's grave, 1326 01:02:06,351 --> 01:02:12,517 "I think he has always looked for the most effective way 1327 01:02:12,518 --> 01:02:15,975 to make trouble." 1328 01:02:15,976 --> 01:02:16,933 (laughter) 1329 01:02:16,934 --> 01:02:18,350 Do you think that's true? 1330 01:02:18,351 --> 01:02:21,559 (chuckles, clears throat) (laughter) 1331 01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:24,350 (chuckling) Which part of it? 1332 01:02:24,351 --> 01:02:25,975 (laughter) 1333 01:02:25,976 --> 01:02:27,142 Any part of it. 1334 01:02:27,143 --> 01:02:30,725 Yeah, I think he gives me way too much credit. 1335 01:02:30,726 --> 01:02:32,932 Um, of course, it's... 1336 01:02:32,933 --> 01:02:37,267 Professor Marcus, you know, 1337 01:02:37,268 --> 01:02:43,434 it's his job to create a thesis like that. 1338 01:02:43,435 --> 01:02:44,059 That's what he does. 1339 01:02:44,060 --> 01:02:47,932 He writes very, very long and intricate books 1340 01:02:47,933 --> 01:02:49,142 explaining the connections 1341 01:02:49,143 --> 01:02:52,559 between various political and cultural movements, 1342 01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:58,600 and the vividness of that, to him, I won't deny, 1343 01:02:58,601 --> 01:03:03,600 except that he's covering a period 1344 01:03:03,601 --> 01:03:08,559 of about nearly 30 years, 25 years. 1345 01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:13,267 And there was any number of people in my, to myself... 1346 01:03:13,268 --> 01:03:15,308 I know it's very convenient 1347 01:03:15,309 --> 01:03:18,142 to put these labels like punk or new wave 1348 01:03:18,143 --> 01:03:20,932 or angry or, you know, political. 1349 01:03:20,933 --> 01:03:24,183 But each song has a different occasion for me, 1350 01:03:24,184 --> 01:03:25,434 and there are different means, 1351 01:03:25,435 --> 01:03:27,267 and there are different motives. 1352 01:03:27,268 --> 01:03:28,226 And there are, I hope, 1353 01:03:28,227 --> 01:03:30,932 different results if you listen to them. 1354 01:03:30,933 --> 01:03:31,726 And on different days, 1355 01:03:31,727 --> 01:03:33,142 you can sing them with different inflections. 1356 01:03:33,143 --> 01:03:38,100 I have sung words that are heard in "Tramp the Dirt Down." 1357 01:03:38,101 --> 01:03:43,142 I sang it on the night the miner strike collapsed 1358 01:03:43,143 --> 01:03:45,392 in, in, in sketch form, 1359 01:03:45,393 --> 01:03:46,932 and at that time, I would agree 1360 01:03:46,933 --> 01:03:50,225 it was probably pretty aggressive. 1361 01:03:50,226 --> 01:03:52,933 And then the tune that I ended up using 1362 01:03:52,934 --> 01:03:55,559 alludes to "Isn't She Lovely." 1363 01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:57,475 It alludes to "Isn't She Lovely," 1364 01:03:57,476 --> 01:03:59,932 Stevie Wonder's melody. 1365 01:03:59,933 --> 01:04:01,350 That was a joke. 1366 01:04:01,351 --> 01:04:03,932 But there's a joke carrying a song 1367 01:04:03,933 --> 01:04:07,392 with all these brutal and disappointed images 1368 01:04:07,393 --> 01:04:10,892 of what that particular time let loose in people. 1369 01:04:10,893 --> 01:04:14,975 The desire to step on your fellow countryman 1370 01:04:14,976 --> 01:04:17,517 to get ahead. 1371 01:04:17,518 --> 01:04:19,225 And I still feel that way. 1372 01:04:19,226 --> 01:04:21,684 So I get... I sang the song up until a few years ago, 1373 01:04:21,685 --> 01:04:23,932 and people said, "You can't sing it now, she's dead." 1374 01:04:23,933 --> 01:04:26,434 I think, we especially have to sing it now that she's dead. 1375 01:04:26,435 --> 01:04:27,309 Now is... (laughter) 1376 01:04:27,310 --> 01:04:30,932 Not because, not because, no, no, she's a human being. 1377 01:04:30,933 --> 01:04:33,932 She actually died, you know, in dementia, 1378 01:04:33,933 --> 01:04:36,932 which I literally wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. 1379 01:04:36,933 --> 01:04:39,932 But what she let loose in the country, 1380 01:04:39,933 --> 01:04:41,932 I cannot forgive. 1381 01:04:41,933 --> 01:04:42,768 So that's my opinion. 1382 01:04:42,769 --> 01:04:46,475 And in a democracy, I get to say what I feel, 1383 01:04:46,476 --> 01:04:48,142 and I get to sing it as well, 1384 01:04:48,143 --> 01:04:49,932 just as politicians get to say it 1385 01:04:49,933 --> 01:04:53,100 over and over again and get paid to do so. 1386 01:04:53,101 --> 01:04:58,392 (brakes squealing, chattering) 1387 01:04:58,393 --> 01:05:01,518 (chattering) 1388 01:05:03,933 --> 01:05:06,435 (horns honking) 1389 01:05:14,518 --> 01:05:15,933 (horn honks) 1390 01:05:17,393 --> 01:05:18,932 (man's voice echoing) 1391 01:05:18,933 --> 01:05:21,600 (distant chattering) 1392 01:05:21,601 --> 01:05:24,100 MAN: If we want as a society to take advantage 1393 01:05:24,101 --> 01:05:26,892 of all of these great technological opportunities, 1394 01:05:26,893 --> 01:05:30,475 we have an obligation to, um, help those folks 1395 01:05:30,476 --> 01:05:33,225 who are being put in a worse position 1396 01:05:33,226 --> 01:05:35,932 by modern technological change. 1397 01:05:35,933 --> 01:05:37,350 I think the city understands that, 1398 01:05:37,351 --> 01:05:39,725 and they're doing a plethora of activities. 1399 01:05:39,726 --> 01:05:44,225 It isn't unified and it isn't working towards a coherent goal. 1400 01:05:44,226 --> 01:05:48,559 Other cities have, um, created... 1401 01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:52,225 so this is the indicators from Seattle, um, 1402 01:05:52,226 --> 01:05:55,975 created sort of positive visions 1403 01:05:55,976 --> 01:05:56,933 of what, uh... 1404 01:05:56,934 --> 01:06:00,809 what an inclusive city could look like. 1405 01:06:00,810 --> 01:06:03,350 If you read those documents, it becomes very clear 1406 01:06:03,351 --> 01:06:05,851 that the library is actually 1407 01:06:05,852 --> 01:06:08,142 maybe the most crucial institution, 1408 01:06:08,143 --> 01:06:10,892 because we're a community hub 1409 01:06:10,893 --> 01:06:12,933 for people who don't have home access. 1410 01:06:12,934 --> 01:06:13,933 We're a place where people 1411 01:06:13,934 --> 01:06:15,932 get exposure who don't otherwise understand it. 1412 01:06:15,933 --> 01:06:18,392 We're a place where people can learn skills, 1413 01:06:18,393 --> 01:06:20,475 where kids can do homework after schools. 1414 01:06:20,476 --> 01:06:21,351 I think there's an opportunity 1415 01:06:21,352 --> 01:06:24,975 to bring together the sort of full scope of people 1416 01:06:24,976 --> 01:06:28,475 involved in making sure the wires are in the ground, 1417 01:06:28,476 --> 01:06:32,225 there's affordable internet, there's community hubs, 1418 01:06:32,226 --> 01:06:33,184 there's digital skills, 1419 01:06:33,185 --> 01:06:38,475 to develop a series of indicators on and goals for 1420 01:06:38,476 --> 01:06:40,725 what an inclusive New York City would be, 1421 01:06:40,726 --> 01:06:42,267 and that we could... 1422 01:06:42,268 --> 01:06:44,932 that could be helmed by the mayor's office, 1423 01:06:44,933 --> 01:06:47,517 but that we could provide the convening space 1424 01:06:47,518 --> 01:06:50,851 and help them unite a bunch of their activities. 1425 01:06:50,852 --> 01:06:54,267 That would rationalize a bunch of the projects they're doing, 1426 01:06:54,268 --> 01:06:57,892 it would give us a way of continuing to shine the light 1427 01:06:57,893 --> 01:06:59,725 on those who are being left behind, 1428 01:06:59,726 --> 01:07:01,684 and, um, and also, you know, 1429 01:07:01,685 --> 01:07:05,517 highlight the central role the library's playing in this space. 1430 01:07:05,518 --> 01:07:09,058 Uh, again, it's a thing that other cities have done 1431 01:07:09,059 --> 01:07:12,600 and that New York is actually just kind of behind on. 1432 01:07:12,601 --> 01:07:14,932 And actually people come to us all the time, 1433 01:07:14,933 --> 01:07:15,933 so people talk about us 1434 01:07:15,934 --> 01:07:17,767 as an anchor institution in the community 1435 01:07:17,768 --> 01:07:20,600 for digital inclusion, not just digital access, 1436 01:07:20,601 --> 01:07:23,392 but access being, like, the lowest common denominator. 1437 01:07:23,393 --> 01:07:25,183 It's actually what do people do with it. 1438 01:07:25,184 --> 01:07:27,684 Not everybody goes to a WeWork, but they could go 1439 01:07:27,685 --> 01:07:30,932 to their neighborhood digital incubation center. 1440 01:07:30,933 --> 01:07:31,560 They could go... 1441 01:07:31,561 --> 01:07:32,932 and, you know, people talk about it, 1442 01:07:32,933 --> 01:07:34,350 not only, certainly for the people 1443 01:07:34,351 --> 01:07:38,600 who don't have computer access, but also for everybody. 1444 01:07:38,601 --> 01:07:40,434 The fact of the matter is that, you know, 1445 01:07:40,435 --> 01:07:41,892 technology is moving at a pace 1446 01:07:41,893 --> 01:07:44,350 that we're all going to have to keep up with, 1447 01:07:44,351 --> 01:07:46,767 and it's about how we think about it. 1448 01:07:46,768 --> 01:07:49,142 And so exposure to all those kinds of tools 1449 01:07:49,143 --> 01:07:51,183 but also to a community of experts. 1450 01:07:51,184 --> 01:07:52,725 So it doesn't always have to be us. 1451 01:07:52,726 --> 01:07:55,142 It could be bringing in a lot of others. 1452 01:07:55,143 --> 01:07:56,932 And so the conversations I've had, 1453 01:07:56,933 --> 01:07:59,809 many, many conversations that Luke clearly has had, 1454 01:07:59,810 --> 01:08:02,851 sort of indicate that this is a great opportunity for us. 1455 01:08:02,852 --> 01:08:06,016 MAN: What if we convened everybody in this space 1456 01:08:06,017 --> 01:08:07,559 at a giant conference at SASBY 1457 01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:13,600 to articulate what along all, you know, what do we want 1458 01:08:13,601 --> 01:08:15,933 in terms of people having fiber to their buildings, 1459 01:08:15,934 --> 01:08:18,809 in terms of community spaces where they can go online, 1460 01:08:18,810 --> 01:08:20,267 in terms of digital skills. 1461 01:08:20,268 --> 01:08:24,475 We could, you could then commission CUFF 1462 01:08:24,475 --> 01:08:27,058 or somebody could commission CUFF to do a research, 1463 01:08:27,059 --> 01:08:30,225 a basically baseline data on where we are as a city 1464 01:08:30,225 --> 01:08:32,350 that would highlight the gaping holes 1465 01:08:32,350 --> 01:08:34,267 and where New York is behind the times. 1466 01:08:34,268 --> 01:08:35,392 We could then, six months later, 1467 01:08:35,393 --> 01:08:40,183 convene another big meeting here at the, um, at SASBY 1468 01:08:40,184 --> 01:08:43,933 to identify low-hanging fruit and develop strategies 1469 01:08:43,934 --> 01:08:46,850 of which we will certainly be key players, 1470 01:08:46,852 --> 01:08:49,058 because of our, um, of our assets. 1471 01:08:49,059 --> 01:08:52,267 The, that might give the mayor something to... 1472 01:08:52,268 --> 01:08:54,892 a way of talking about his, all of his projects. 1473 01:08:54,893 --> 01:08:59,932 It would certainly develop us as a central player. 1474 01:08:59,933 --> 01:09:00,852 MAN: There's like three different 1475 01:09:00,853 --> 01:09:04,100 pieces of narrative that we use that this stitches together. 1476 01:09:04,100 --> 01:09:07,392 One is the most arresting figure that Tony uses 1477 01:09:07,393 --> 01:09:09,892 is, you know, one in three New Yorkers don't have access 1478 01:09:09,893 --> 01:09:10,643 to broadband at home. 1479 01:09:10,644 --> 01:09:13,517 Like, that gets any audience's attention. 1480 01:09:13,518 --> 01:09:16,015 The second historic one that we always love 1481 01:09:16,017 --> 01:09:17,517 is, is the Carnegie point, 1482 01:09:17,518 --> 01:09:19,932 is that Carnegie sought to create a library 1483 01:09:19,933 --> 01:09:21,058 within walking distance of every New Yorker. 1484 01:09:21,059 --> 01:09:24,015 So this is a way to kind of embrace that heritage 1485 01:09:24,017 --> 01:09:25,267 and say... and I love the way, 1486 01:09:25,268 --> 01:09:27,559 just from a two-second look at what Seattle did, 1487 01:09:27,559 --> 01:09:31,142 is to say, "Okay, neighborhood density, 1488 01:09:31,143 --> 01:09:33,642 how many public access spots are there?" 1489 01:09:33,643 --> 01:09:37,850 It's a way to kind of renew the Carnegie idea 1490 01:09:37,852 --> 01:09:39,100 in a digital fashion. 1491 01:09:39,100 --> 01:09:40,932 And I think the challenge 1492 01:09:40,933 --> 01:09:44,183 would be how do we, we want to position ourselves 1493 01:09:44,184 --> 01:09:50,600 as helpful advocates yet... for the city, um, 1494 01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:52,932 you know, but a little distance from it. 1495 01:09:52,933 --> 01:09:55,559 This isn't a... it would be a partnership, 1496 01:09:55,559 --> 01:09:56,642 but... and it's not, 1497 01:09:56,643 --> 01:09:58,932 this wouldn't be the first time the city wanted 1498 01:09:58,933 --> 01:10:01,225 to plant a million trees, 1499 01:10:01,226 --> 01:10:03,100 and they did a tree census before that. 1500 01:10:03,101 --> 01:10:08,100 And now, you know, last week they planted the millionth tree. 1501 01:10:08,101 --> 01:10:10,392 For the library, with CUFF or whatnot, 1502 01:10:10,393 --> 01:10:12,183 I think it's a super-brilliant idea to say, 1503 01:10:12,184 --> 01:10:13,225 "Here's what the digital... 1504 01:10:13,226 --> 01:10:15,642 "is one in three a real accurate number? 1505 01:10:15,643 --> 01:10:17,725 "How does that go up and down every year? 1506 01:10:17,726 --> 01:10:21,932 Here is what it looks like neighborhood, region by region." 1507 01:10:21,933 --> 01:10:26,851 You know, so, I do think this is the logical next step 1508 01:10:26,852 --> 01:10:30,183 and our bona fides are there based on everything, 1509 01:10:30,184 --> 01:10:33,851 but also on the 10,000 lends that we will have completed. 1510 01:10:33,852 --> 01:10:35,142 WOMAN: I just want us to make sure 1511 01:10:35,143 --> 01:10:37,932 that we don't lose sight of what digital inclusion is, 1512 01:10:37,933 --> 01:10:39,767 that it isn't just about broadband. 1513 01:10:39,768 --> 01:10:42,892 And I don't mean to make that something minor. 1514 01:10:42,893 --> 01:10:43,932 It's not, it's huge. 1515 01:10:43,933 --> 01:10:47,434 But that is honestly simply just not enough... 1516 01:10:47,434 --> 01:10:49,016 Mm-hmm. and I don't want this to... 1517 01:10:49,017 --> 01:10:52,016 a lot of people are doing the broadband wagon, sorry. 1518 01:10:52,017 --> 01:10:55,975 So it's what's, what more, like what kind of society... 1519 01:10:55,976 --> 01:10:57,100 so I just want us to be... 1520 01:10:57,101 --> 01:10:59,308 MAN: There's the quantitative story and there's a qualitative story. 1521 01:10:59,309 --> 01:11:00,017 Well, there's a skill, 1522 01:11:00,018 --> 01:11:01,975 there's a "How do you function in society?" 1523 01:11:01,976 --> 01:11:04,308 I just want us to be aware of that, yeah. 1524 01:11:04,309 --> 01:11:05,642 MAN: Okay, we're coming to that. 1525 01:11:05,643 --> 01:11:07,350 And then it's changing, right, 1526 01:11:07,351 --> 01:11:09,517 so the free computer you get somebody in 2015 1527 01:11:09,518 --> 01:11:11,892 isn't going to be relevant in 2020. 1528 01:11:11,893 --> 01:11:13,684 The bandwidth we secure for them now 1529 01:11:13,684 --> 01:11:15,932 will be outdated as the internet changes. 1530 01:11:15,933 --> 01:11:17,267 And the skills that you learn today 1531 01:11:17,268 --> 01:11:21,932 won't, um, uh, be sufficient in a couple of years, 1532 01:11:21,933 --> 01:11:26,767 which is why the role of a library will, 1533 01:11:26,768 --> 01:11:28,517 if we want to be in the space, 1534 01:11:28,518 --> 01:11:30,932 will be continually important, 1535 01:11:30,933 --> 01:11:33,932 because there will be a different set of people 1536 01:11:33,933 --> 01:11:34,852 continually left behind. 1537 01:11:34,853 --> 01:11:36,892 So it's not that broadband isn't crucial 1538 01:11:36,893 --> 01:11:38,892 or this wasn't a good attempt. 1539 01:11:38,893 --> 01:11:39,933 It's just that it's a... 1540 01:11:39,934 --> 01:11:40,975 if we can widen the focus 1541 01:11:40,976 --> 01:11:44,350 and set the end goal on engaged internet users, 1542 01:11:44,351 --> 01:11:46,308 we'll see there's a lot of different ways 1543 01:11:46,309 --> 01:11:47,309 that we can make a difference 1544 01:11:47,309 --> 01:11:49,350 and are already making a difference as a system. 1545 01:11:49,351 --> 01:11:52,600 WOMAN: Look, this project succeeded because it got us to this point. 1546 01:11:52,601 --> 01:11:53,351 It was awesome, right? 1547 01:11:53,352 --> 01:11:54,767 MAN 2: Agreed, agreed. 1548 01:11:54,768 --> 01:11:56,684 WOMAN: Yes. 1549 01:11:58,434 --> 01:11:59,475 WOMAN: Hi, everyone. 1550 01:11:59,476 --> 01:12:00,600 Welcome to Books at Noon. 1551 01:12:00,601 --> 01:12:03,517 Today I'm pleased to introduce Yusef Komunyakaa. 1552 01:12:03,518 --> 01:12:05,932 (applause) I wanted to ask you 1553 01:12:05,933 --> 01:12:07,933 if you see yourself as a political poet? 1554 01:12:07,934 --> 01:12:11,600 YUSEF KOMUNYAKAA: Do I see myself as a political poet? 1555 01:12:11,601 --> 01:12:12,932 Um... WOMAN: I mean you use, I mean, 1556 01:12:12,933 --> 01:12:14,183 there have been, you know, 1557 01:12:14,184 --> 01:12:16,932 you used your experience in Vietnam 1558 01:12:16,933 --> 01:12:17,975 to talk about, you know, 1559 01:12:17,976 --> 01:12:22,475 and you've used issues of race in poetry, 1560 01:12:22,476 --> 01:12:23,932 so I'm wondering if you, 1561 01:12:23,933 --> 01:12:27,225 as far as sort of the spectrum of poetry, 1562 01:12:27,226 --> 01:12:30,767 if you see yourself as a political poet? 1563 01:12:30,768 --> 01:12:34,267 Well, I think language is political, 1564 01:12:34,268 --> 01:12:40,559 and that, that's what I use as a tool. 1565 01:12:40,559 --> 01:12:43,932 I think it was, um, Richard Wright who said 1566 01:12:43,933 --> 01:12:48,809 that he wanted to write sentences, 1567 01:12:48,809 --> 01:12:53,932 language that functioned as a club. 1568 01:12:53,933 --> 01:12:55,809 I don't necessarily believe that. 1569 01:12:55,809 --> 01:12:58,932 For me, I don't think the surface, 1570 01:12:58,933 --> 01:13:00,434 the surface of the poem, 1571 01:13:00,434 --> 01:13:04,183 the politics are not on the surface of the poem, 1572 01:13:04,184 --> 01:13:07,058 but I think since I use language, 1573 01:13:07,059 --> 01:13:08,559 the politics are underneath, 1574 01:13:08,559 --> 01:13:13,932 woven into the emotional architecture 1575 01:13:13,933 --> 01:13:14,684 of the poem. 1576 01:13:14,686 --> 01:13:19,932 WOMAN: Has that always been part of your style, 1577 01:13:19,933 --> 01:13:21,559 to weave in what's going on? 1578 01:13:21,559 --> 01:13:23,600 I mean, it's part of your language, 1579 01:13:23,601 --> 01:13:25,058 it's part of who you are as a poet. 1580 01:13:25,059 --> 01:13:27,100 I go back to Baldwin, 1581 01:13:27,101 --> 01:13:28,932 and James Baldwin said that 1582 01:13:28,933 --> 01:13:30,559 we have to know what's happening around us 1583 01:13:30,559 --> 01:13:32,267 in order to know what's happening to us 1584 01:13:32,268 --> 01:13:36,225 because we're a part of everything around us. 1585 01:13:36,226 --> 01:13:43,392 And I think perhaps the poet 1586 01:13:43,393 --> 01:13:46,809 is cursed to be a keen observer. 1587 01:13:46,809 --> 01:13:47,518 WOMAN: Observer. 1588 01:13:47,519 --> 01:13:49,932 KOMUNYAKAA: And there is a kind of innuendo, 1589 01:13:49,933 --> 01:13:54,932 and also it's part of an extended possibility. 1590 01:13:54,933 --> 01:13:57,267 What I mean by that is that 1591 01:13:57,268 --> 01:13:59,767 if we are in the rhythm of the poem, 1592 01:13:59,768 --> 01:14:04,932 we are in the emotional architecture of a poem, 1593 01:14:04,933 --> 01:14:11,932 and language says things that are direct 1594 01:14:11,933 --> 01:14:15,308 but also insinuation, 1595 01:14:15,309 --> 01:14:19,851 the same as a blues singer would. 1596 01:14:19,852 --> 01:14:22,016 I think that's what it is. 1597 01:14:22,017 --> 01:14:22,976 It really takes me back 1598 01:14:22,977 --> 01:14:27,308 to the essence of the blues, 1599 01:14:27,309 --> 01:14:30,100 insinuation, daring. 1600 01:14:30,101 --> 01:14:32,434 WOMAN: You mean to allow silence? 1601 01:14:32,434 --> 01:14:37,100 Simplicity say that also in a way morphs 1602 01:14:37,101 --> 01:14:43,058 into a more complex emotional place. 1603 01:14:43,059 --> 01:14:46,058 (breaks squealing, dog barks) 1604 01:14:46,059 --> 01:14:49,475 (distant siren blaring) 1605 01:14:49,476 --> 01:14:51,975 (cars driving by) 1606 01:14:51,976 --> 01:14:56,184 (music playing on speakers in distance) 1607 01:14:58,933 --> 01:15:02,852 (chattering) 1608 01:15:03,601 --> 01:15:06,184 (chattering) 1609 01:15:07,976 --> 01:15:11,725 (chattering continues) 1610 01:15:11,726 --> 01:15:14,851 (music playing on speakers, horns honking) 1611 01:15:14,852 --> 01:15:16,933 (intermittent beeping) 1612 01:15:16,934 --> 01:15:20,932 (woman talking indistinctly, beeping continues) 1613 01:15:20,933 --> 01:15:24,601 (chattering, books shuffling) 1614 01:15:28,933 --> 01:15:30,725 (distant hammering) 1615 01:15:30,726 --> 01:15:33,933 CLERK: Got your library card? 1616 01:15:33,934 --> 01:15:36,933 (hammering continues) 1617 01:15:39,017 --> 01:15:40,934 (scanner beeps) 1618 01:15:41,684 --> 01:15:43,932 (chattering in local language) 1619 01:15:43,933 --> 01:15:44,518 WOMAN: Yeah. 1620 01:15:44,519 --> 01:15:46,183 Okay, so you want to take these pictures 1621 01:15:46,184 --> 01:15:49,975 and save it in here? Uh-huh, but... 1622 01:15:49,976 --> 01:15:50,933 Not all the one. 1623 01:15:50,934 --> 01:15:53,600 This... This here is on the memory card here. 1624 01:15:53,601 --> 01:15:56,932 Yes. You want to transfer it to here, correct? 1625 01:15:56,933 --> 01:15:58,183 But, but I want first to save. 1626 01:15:58,184 --> 01:16:02,517 Well, this is why you have to hold on "Control," you see? 1627 01:16:02,518 --> 01:16:04,016 I'm going to show you example. 1628 01:16:04,017 --> 01:16:09,475 (conversing in local language) 1629 01:16:09,476 --> 01:16:11,058 So once that gets to 100%, 1630 01:16:11,059 --> 01:16:14,308 then call me back over, and we can take a look. 1631 01:16:14,309 --> 01:16:15,017 100% to finish it? 1632 01:16:15,018 --> 01:16:18,392 Yeah, 100% is finished downloading, 1633 01:16:18,393 --> 01:16:20,975 and then we do installing. 1634 01:16:20,976 --> 01:16:24,184 (speaking local language) 1635 01:16:31,017 --> 01:16:32,932 Go back to "Home." 1636 01:16:32,933 --> 01:16:33,852 Huh? 1637 01:16:33,853 --> 01:16:35,559 Home. Home? 1638 01:16:35,559 --> 01:16:37,932 Home, yeah, this, yeah. 1639 01:16:37,933 --> 01:16:41,184 (din of traffic, chattering) 1640 01:16:44,017 --> 01:16:49,976 (men yelling distantly, horns honking) 1641 01:16:53,933 --> 01:16:56,016 (muffled radio chatter) 1642 01:16:56,017 --> 01:16:59,809 (construction equipment humming) 1643 01:17:06,933 --> 01:17:10,932 (chattering) 1644 01:17:10,933 --> 01:17:13,601 This year's supply, I'd say about 22. 1645 01:17:15,601 --> 01:17:18,267 (chattering) 1646 01:17:18,268 --> 01:17:20,684 (laughter) 1647 01:17:20,684 --> 01:17:23,476 (chattering) 1648 01:17:26,017 --> 01:17:27,267 Now, have you worked with the book, 1649 01:17:27,268 --> 01:17:28,392 the regular-sized braille yet? 1650 01:17:28,393 --> 01:17:30,434 So we're going to start on this first... 1651 01:17:30,434 --> 01:17:32,932 this first page that has A through E on it. 1652 01:17:32,933 --> 01:17:34,725 So go ahead and check out the page. 1653 01:17:34,726 --> 01:17:36,809 Are you lefty or righty? 1654 01:17:36,809 --> 01:17:37,892 Um, righty. 1655 01:17:37,893 --> 01:17:39,183 You're right-handed? Mm-hmm. 1656 01:17:39,184 --> 01:17:41,932 Okay, it's good to hold, to keep it... 1657 01:17:41,933 --> 01:17:43,308 Straight? straight though. 1658 01:17:43,309 --> 01:17:45,058 Uh-huh. Most people that read braille 1659 01:17:45,059 --> 01:17:47,767 end up reading with a combination of both hands. 1660 01:17:47,768 --> 01:17:48,059 Okay. 1661 01:17:48,059 --> 01:17:49,308 So your right hand will be your leader, 1662 01:17:49,309 --> 01:17:52,932 but sometimes your left hand will kind of keep your place. Okay. 1663 01:17:52,933 --> 01:17:55,975 That's okay to check out with both hands, if you want. 1664 01:17:55,976 --> 01:17:57,308 E? 1665 01:17:57,309 --> 01:17:58,932 Hmm.. No, that's the D. 1666 01:17:58,933 --> 01:18:00,975 Before you try to comprehend, 1667 01:18:00,976 --> 01:18:04,100 just practice moving your hand in a straight line 1668 01:18:04,101 --> 01:18:04,893 and following. 1669 01:18:04,894 --> 01:18:09,932 This is how a braille-reading hand moves. 1670 01:18:09,933 --> 01:18:12,932 So these lines that are kind of together, 1671 01:18:12,933 --> 01:18:15,642 these little kinds of almost railroad tracks, 1672 01:18:15,643 --> 01:18:18,183 are there to help you kind of pattern and figure out 1673 01:18:18,184 --> 01:18:22,932 how to move in a fluid, straight, smooth way. 1674 01:18:22,933 --> 01:18:26,851 A lot of people will read with a couple of fingers. 1675 01:18:26,852 --> 01:18:28,434 I noticed that you for right now 1676 01:18:28,434 --> 01:18:29,932 are mostly reading with your middle finger, 1677 01:18:29,933 --> 01:18:32,932 and you want to make sure that this finger gets in there, too, 1678 01:18:32,933 --> 01:18:35,559 because your forefinger has a lot of sensitivity, 1679 01:18:35,559 --> 01:18:37,932 and a lot of people read with their forefinger 1680 01:18:37,933 --> 01:18:40,932 and then middle finger kind of together. 1681 01:18:40,933 --> 01:18:41,726 Okay. 1682 01:18:41,727 --> 01:18:45,642 When your one hand finds the next line for the other hand 1683 01:18:45,643 --> 01:18:47,058 is called tracking. 1684 01:18:47,059 --> 01:18:48,183 (typewriter clacking) 1685 01:18:48,184 --> 01:18:51,016 WOMAN: X, X, X, X. 1686 01:18:51,017 --> 01:18:53,932 Z, Z, Z, Z. 1687 01:18:53,933 --> 01:18:55,392 Now make sure that you... 1688 01:18:55,393 --> 01:18:59,559 (keyboard clacking, dings) 1689 01:18:59,559 --> 01:19:01,600 Do like this or with your hand, 1690 01:19:01,601 --> 01:19:03,809 wherever you can, okay? 1691 01:19:04,809 --> 01:19:11,933 TRAINER 1: C... okay, and... what? 1692 01:19:12,476 --> 01:19:12,933 Okay, and... 1693 01:19:12,934 --> 01:19:15,350 (humming "In the Hall of the Mountain King" by Edvard Grieg) 1694 01:19:15,351 --> 01:19:17,350 TRAINER 2: You've got "Why not." 1695 01:19:17,351 --> 01:19:20,100 So N is the end. 1696 01:19:20,101 --> 01:19:21,932 (keyboard clacking) 1697 01:19:21,933 --> 01:19:23,600 TRAINER 2: One position is different. 1698 01:19:23,601 --> 01:19:27,684 You know, one is horizontal and other one vertical. 1699 01:19:27,684 --> 01:19:29,434 TRAINER 1: You got it? Yeah, I'm writing.... 1700 01:19:29,434 --> 01:19:32,058 TRAINER 2: And now I'm going to do the other one. 1701 01:19:32,059 --> 01:19:35,933 (chattering) 1702 01:19:37,768 --> 01:19:38,933 MAN: I have some statistics here 1703 01:19:38,934 --> 01:19:41,932 on how many people with disabilities there are. 1704 01:19:41,933 --> 01:19:43,183 This is according 1705 01:19:43,184 --> 01:19:45,183 to the 2014 U.S. Census. 1706 01:19:45,184 --> 01:19:45,933 There are roughly 1707 01:19:45,934 --> 01:19:51,684 eight million people uh, in New York City in general, 1708 01:19:51,684 --> 01:19:55,225 and about 900,000 of those people 1709 01:19:55,226 --> 01:19:56,933 are people with disabilities. 1710 01:19:56,934 --> 01:19:59,100 So that's about 11%. 1711 01:19:59,101 --> 01:20:02,517 I'm the housing coordinator, and I do answer 1712 01:20:02,518 --> 01:20:03,143 a lot of 311 calls 1713 01:20:03,144 --> 01:20:06,016 regarding housing for people with disabilities. 1714 01:20:06,017 --> 01:20:06,933 For low-income housing, 1715 01:20:06,934 --> 01:20:08,225 there is the New York City Housing Authority, 1716 01:20:08,226 --> 01:20:10,933 which is known to have a very long waiting list. 1717 01:20:10,934 --> 01:20:14,933 Fortunately, that is not the only option. 1718 01:20:14,934 --> 01:20:15,768 There are other options. 1719 01:20:15,769 --> 01:20:17,392 There are a few different vouchers available. 1720 01:20:17,393 --> 01:20:20,767 One is the Medicaid Waiver Program, 1721 01:20:20,768 --> 01:20:23,350 and that's for people with physical disabilities, 1722 01:20:23,351 --> 01:20:25,100 and it does include things like home care 1723 01:20:25,101 --> 01:20:27,016 and Meals on Wheels 1724 01:20:27,017 --> 01:20:27,933 and subsidized housing. 1725 01:20:27,934 --> 01:20:31,142 If you have a voucher that covers $1,100, 1726 01:20:31,143 --> 01:20:33,932 and you go find an apartment, 1727 01:20:33,933 --> 01:20:37,932 and the apartment is within that range, right? 1728 01:20:37,933 --> 01:20:41,308 It's $1,000 or $1,100 rent a month, 1729 01:20:41,309 --> 01:20:44,932 uh, that means that you meet the criteria, 1730 01:20:44,933 --> 01:20:49,142 you meet the income requirement for that apartment, 1731 01:20:49,143 --> 01:20:52,932 and if the landlord tells you, "We don't take vouchers," 1732 01:20:52,933 --> 01:20:55,267 that's considered discrimination. 1733 01:20:55,268 --> 01:20:58,142 And if that, you know, if that does happen, 1734 01:20:58,143 --> 01:21:00,600 there is an agency that can help you out with that. 1735 01:21:00,601 --> 01:21:02,932 That's called the City Commission 1736 01:21:02,933 --> 01:21:03,768 on Human Rights. 1737 01:21:03,769 --> 01:21:06,975 It's always good to know your rights. 1738 01:21:06,976 --> 01:21:09,932 Another housing opportunity is the housing lotteries 1739 01:21:09,933 --> 01:21:10,933 or affordable housing. 1740 01:21:10,934 --> 01:21:13,267 There is a difference between affordable housing 1741 01:21:13,268 --> 01:21:14,725 and low-income housing. 1742 01:21:14,726 --> 01:21:16,517 Most people don't realize that. 1743 01:21:16,518 --> 01:21:19,851 So affordable housing is for, you know, 1744 01:21:19,852 --> 01:21:20,932 it includes low income, 1745 01:21:20,933 --> 01:21:22,600 but it also includes, you know, 1746 01:21:22,601 --> 01:21:25,142 middle class and working families as well. 1747 01:21:25,143 --> 01:21:27,225 Another agency that we do work with, 1748 01:21:27,226 --> 01:21:28,892 Housing Preservation and Development. 1749 01:21:28,893 --> 01:21:31,350 Basically they are working with developers 1750 01:21:31,351 --> 01:21:32,725 who are building new buildings 1751 01:21:32,726 --> 01:21:35,350 or reconstructing existing buildings, 1752 01:21:35,351 --> 01:21:38,267 and each building has its own lottery. 1753 01:21:38,268 --> 01:21:41,932 So each building will have its own application, 1754 01:21:41,933 --> 01:21:43,642 and in each lottery, 1755 01:21:43,643 --> 01:21:48,016 five percent of the apartments are set aside 1756 01:21:48,017 --> 01:21:50,932 for people with mobility disabilities, 1757 01:21:50,933 --> 01:21:52,600 and two percent are set aside 1758 01:21:52,601 --> 01:21:55,932 for people with visual and hearing disabilities. 1759 01:21:55,933 --> 01:21:59,100 Finding stable housing is pretty hard to do, 1760 01:21:59,101 --> 01:22:04,059 especially in the affordable and low-income markets. 1761 01:22:13,933 --> 01:22:15,933 (chattering) 1762 01:22:15,934 --> 01:22:18,143 MAN: Oh, yeah, let's do it. 1763 01:22:20,852 --> 01:22:22,308 (chattering) 1764 01:22:22,309 --> 01:22:27,932 WOMAN: In 2014 we launched an extensive strategic plan, 1765 01:22:27,933 --> 01:22:31,392 but most importantly, we began to fill the basket 1766 01:22:31,393 --> 01:22:34,142 about what we were going to put here, 1767 01:22:34,143 --> 01:22:35,059 the Mid-Manhattan Library 1768 01:22:35,059 --> 01:22:38,932 as well as in the Schwarzman Building. 1769 01:22:38,933 --> 01:22:45,308 We engaged, um, in a very public engagement campaign 1770 01:22:45,309 --> 01:22:46,475 around our plans. 1771 01:22:46,476 --> 01:22:49,975 These were just concepts that we had come up with. 1772 01:22:49,976 --> 01:22:51,932 We had public meetings, 1773 01:22:51,933 --> 01:22:54,932 we had numerous media opportunities, 1774 01:22:54,933 --> 01:22:57,559 um, thanks to Ken and his staff. 1775 01:22:57,559 --> 01:23:01,932 We met with stakeholders, we met with our board, 1776 01:23:01,933 --> 01:23:04,642 we met with anybody who would listen to us. 1777 01:23:04,643 --> 01:23:05,184 The goals, then, 1778 01:23:05,184 --> 01:23:08,932 were really to keep our constituents informed, 1779 01:23:08,933 --> 01:23:09,933 which I think we did; 1780 01:23:09,934 --> 01:23:13,932 to ensure that we got important feedback 1781 01:23:13,933 --> 01:23:15,600 as to which should go where 1782 01:23:15,601 --> 01:23:16,932 and what should go in what buildings, 1783 01:23:16,933 --> 01:23:20,932 and what programs and projects that we should really focus on. 1784 01:23:20,933 --> 01:23:25,851 And, lastly, the thing that I am the most proud about is... 1785 01:23:25,852 --> 01:23:26,932 And I think everybody in this room 1786 01:23:26,933 --> 01:23:29,933 or anybody affiliated with the library should be proud about... 1787 01:23:29,934 --> 01:23:32,932 Is that we were maintaining transparency 1788 01:23:32,933 --> 01:23:33,933 during this process. 1789 01:23:33,934 --> 01:23:36,851 Um, we were communicating as best we could; 1790 01:23:36,852 --> 01:23:39,851 whatever we knew, we were letting people know. 1791 01:23:39,852 --> 01:23:41,100 Now in October, it's actually November, 1792 01:23:41,101 --> 01:23:43,642 we started a new phase of this campaign. 1793 01:23:43,643 --> 01:23:49,434 And, um, it's to introduce the really spectacular architects 1794 01:23:49,434 --> 01:23:54,809 that we spent months, um, trying to get to this point 1795 01:23:54,809 --> 01:23:56,809 and to pick a team like this 1796 01:23:56,809 --> 01:24:01,100 to work on this iconic project for New York City. 1797 01:24:01,101 --> 01:24:03,767 Um, and in this next round, 1798 01:24:03,768 --> 01:24:08,559 there will be an enormous amount again of public engagement, 1799 01:24:08,559 --> 01:24:13,600 and we'll include even more substantive conversations. 1800 01:24:13,601 --> 01:24:15,142 And as Tony noted, 1801 01:24:15,143 --> 01:24:19,392 um, most importantly it's to start the conversation here, 1802 01:24:19,393 --> 01:24:21,851 with our staff and here at the library. 1803 01:24:21,852 --> 01:24:25,767 So, um, let me just explain how we got to this point 1804 01:24:25,768 --> 01:24:29,684 with these two wonderful architecture firms. 1805 01:24:29,684 --> 01:24:30,932 Um, I think as everybody knows, 1806 01:24:30,933 --> 01:24:33,892 we went through an RFQ and an RFP process, 1807 01:24:33,893 --> 01:24:37,475 and working with a working group, 1808 01:24:37,476 --> 01:24:40,100 which included members of the board of directors 1809 01:24:40,101 --> 01:24:42,932 as well as senior staff here at the library, 1810 01:24:42,933 --> 01:24:48,434 um, we arrived at, um, uh, two semi-finalists 1811 01:24:48,434 --> 01:24:51,100 and ended up with one finalist group. 1812 01:24:51,101 --> 01:24:53,684 Francine, you, having worked 1813 01:24:53,684 --> 01:24:56,225 in libraries all over the world, 1814 01:24:56,226 --> 01:24:57,059 maybe you can give us a sense 1815 01:24:57,059 --> 01:25:01,767 of what you think the futures of libraries are going to be, 1816 01:25:01,768 --> 01:25:03,350 both in the physical sense 1817 01:25:03,351 --> 01:25:07,933 and in the sense of libraries as institutions. 1818 01:25:08,976 --> 01:25:11,100 FRANCINE: First of all, for me, 1819 01:25:11,101 --> 01:25:13,183 the library does not exist. 1820 01:25:13,184 --> 01:25:15,932 Every library, it's my experience, is different. 1821 01:25:15,933 --> 01:25:17,350 It's totally different 1822 01:25:17,351 --> 01:25:18,600 if you're thinking 1823 01:25:18,601 --> 01:25:20,517 of a circulating library in the Netherlands. 1824 01:25:20,518 --> 01:25:21,559 There's even already a difference 1825 01:25:21,559 --> 01:25:24,100 between if you make one in Amsterdam and in Rotterdam, 1826 01:25:24,101 --> 01:25:27,183 there's even a bigger difference if you make one in Scandinavia 1827 01:25:27,184 --> 01:25:30,851 or we also worked on the library in Athens. 1828 01:25:30,852 --> 01:25:31,809 For instance, in Europe, 1829 01:25:31,811 --> 01:25:34,851 the northern part of Europe is more books 1830 01:25:34,852 --> 01:25:39,809 and the southern part of Europe is almost no books. 1831 01:25:39,809 --> 01:25:40,932 (laughter) Um... 1832 01:25:40,933 --> 01:25:42,475 One maybe very important thing... 1833 01:25:42,476 --> 01:25:43,932 I'm just now improvising... 1834 01:25:43,933 --> 01:25:46,932 That for me libraries are not about books, 1835 01:25:46,933 --> 01:25:50,932 it's a lot of people think that it's a storage space for books. 1836 01:25:50,933 --> 01:25:52,932 No, libraries are about people 1837 01:25:52,933 --> 01:25:56,809 who want to get knowledge to them, 1838 01:25:56,809 --> 01:25:58,725 and that can be done by books, 1839 01:25:58,726 --> 01:26:03,642 it can be done by many other ways. 1840 01:26:03,643 --> 01:26:05,267 It's very much about learning, 1841 01:26:05,268 --> 01:26:06,932 it's about long-life learning, 1842 01:26:06,933 --> 01:26:09,016 it's about the whole generation. 1843 01:26:09,017 --> 01:26:14,350 And so libraries are, they're not only... 1844 01:26:14,351 --> 01:26:15,933 there are cultural importance, 1845 01:26:15,934 --> 01:26:18,851 but they also very much economically important. 1846 01:26:18,852 --> 01:26:21,475 It has... here it's a little bit different, 1847 01:26:21,476 --> 01:26:24,058 but, like, in Europe, it's always public money, 1848 01:26:24,059 --> 01:26:30,100 and it's public money that you invest in your own population. 1849 01:26:30,101 --> 01:26:31,684 Uh, so it's very much important 1850 01:26:31,684 --> 01:26:35,142 that you give it back to the public. 1851 01:26:35,143 --> 01:26:36,434 And, um, yeah, what else? 1852 01:26:36,434 --> 01:26:38,932 I guess I could give a whole lecture about libraries. 1853 01:26:38,933 --> 01:26:41,932 Um, I think what is maybe also important, 1854 01:26:41,933 --> 01:26:43,809 that as a library, 1855 01:26:43,809 --> 01:26:46,517 reflects what is necessary in that city... 1856 01:26:46,518 --> 01:26:49,016 It's a research library, it's also an archive. 1857 01:26:49,017 --> 01:26:52,725 It's a city archive, it's the circulating library. 1858 01:26:52,726 --> 01:26:56,267 I'm dreaming of, especially if I think of this building, 1859 01:26:56,268 --> 01:26:58,933 about many different atmospheres, 1860 01:26:58,934 --> 01:27:00,932 of different ways of studying, 1861 01:27:00,933 --> 01:27:05,183 of different, very important, uh... 1862 01:27:05,184 --> 01:27:09,559 maybe when I did design the... the... 1863 01:27:09,559 --> 01:27:11,183 famous library we did in Delft, 1864 01:27:11,184 --> 01:27:13,016 that's where our office is based. 1865 01:27:13,017 --> 01:27:16,684 It's in a library for the technical university in Delft, 1866 01:27:16,684 --> 01:27:19,642 and that was opened in 1995. 1867 01:27:19,643 --> 01:27:22,142 And we, when we did the design in 1991, 1868 01:27:22,143 --> 01:27:24,100 they already told me, "Francine, 1869 01:27:24,101 --> 01:27:26,851 you don't need libraries anymore in the future." 1870 01:27:26,852 --> 01:27:30,350 And that's in a way still a kind of opinion we hear a lot. 1871 01:27:30,351 --> 01:27:31,767 Do you hear it a lot? 1872 01:27:31,768 --> 01:27:35,392 It's totally because people, they still think of libraries 1873 01:27:35,393 --> 01:27:37,267 about a storage space of books, 1874 01:27:37,268 --> 01:27:40,932 or people think of the library when they were a kid. 1875 01:27:40,933 --> 01:27:42,350 A lot of people have no awareness 1876 01:27:42,351 --> 01:27:46,142 what is happening in the nowadays libraries 1877 01:27:46,143 --> 01:27:48,225 and how necessary they are. 1878 01:27:48,226 --> 01:27:49,892 What else, do you want? 1879 01:27:49,893 --> 01:27:51,225 Maybe I should just stop. 1880 01:27:51,226 --> 01:27:51,933 WOMAN: Okay. 1881 01:27:51,934 --> 01:27:54,933 FRANCINE: But I have a lot of ideas about libraries. 1882 01:27:54,934 --> 01:27:57,600 (cars driving by) 1883 01:27:57,601 --> 01:28:01,017 (adaptive traffic signal speaking) 1884 01:28:05,184 --> 01:28:06,434 (horn honks) 1885 01:28:06,434 --> 01:28:11,100 (distant chattering) 1886 01:28:11,101 --> 01:28:14,017 (cars passing) 1887 01:28:23,933 --> 01:28:28,768 (woodwind quartet playing) 1888 01:28:47,268 --> 01:28:50,017 (woodwind quartet music continues) 1889 01:29:18,184 --> 01:29:23,726 (woodwind quartet music continues) 1890 01:29:46,059 --> 01:29:48,225 (song concludes) 1891 01:29:48,226 --> 01:29:51,184 (car alarm blaring) 1892 01:29:57,643 --> 01:29:59,933 (alarm fades) 1893 01:30:00,393 --> 01:30:06,184 (chattering, distant siren blaring) 1894 01:30:12,226 --> 01:30:15,016 (large vehicle rumbling) 1895 01:30:15,017 --> 01:30:19,142 (faint shouting) 1896 01:30:19,143 --> 01:30:22,809 (siren blaring intermittently) 1897 01:30:25,933 --> 01:30:28,934 (horns honking) 1898 01:30:30,684 --> 01:30:34,518 (chattering, music playing on speakers) 1899 01:30:44,933 --> 01:30:47,852 (chattering continues) 1900 01:30:53,184 --> 01:30:56,183 MAN: Okay. (trilling) 1901 01:30:56,184 --> 01:31:00,932 (chattering) 1902 01:31:00,933 --> 01:31:02,932 WOMAN (muted): What will the catalog... 1903 01:31:02,933 --> 01:31:06,142 MAN (muted): That will probably be the center of the catalog... 1904 01:31:06,143 --> 01:31:08,932 We've got lovely essays... 1905 01:31:08,933 --> 01:31:11,809 We've got some... in there. 1906 01:31:11,809 --> 01:31:16,767 (chattering) 1907 01:31:16,768 --> 01:31:19,809 Plus, we only got halfway... 1908 01:31:19,809 --> 01:31:22,559 (chattering) 1909 01:31:26,476 --> 01:31:29,892 WOMAN: That needs to be, like, life-sized. 1910 01:31:29,893 --> 01:31:32,100 WOMAN 2: Really? 1911 01:31:32,101 --> 01:31:35,267 WOMAN: I almost wanted to be... 1912 01:31:35,268 --> 01:31:37,932 WOMAN 3: It's okay, you got...? 1913 01:31:37,933 --> 01:31:41,475 WOMAN 4: No problem. 1914 01:31:41,476 --> 01:31:44,392 (chattering, laughing) 1915 01:31:44,393 --> 01:31:45,932 All right... 1916 01:31:45,933 --> 01:31:49,308 WOMAN: Reminds me of a couple of paintings that was done 1917 01:31:49,309 --> 01:31:51,142 back in orientalism. 1918 01:31:51,143 --> 01:31:54,475 I don't know if you know what that is, orientalism? 1919 01:31:54,476 --> 01:31:57,016 WOMAN 2: Yes. 1920 01:31:57,017 --> 01:32:03,559 (chattering) 1921 01:32:03,559 --> 01:32:06,308 (birds chirping) 1922 01:32:06,309 --> 01:32:09,975 (chattering, knocking, horn honking) 1923 01:32:09,976 --> 01:32:16,684 (siren blaring, truck accelerating) 1924 01:32:19,933 --> 01:32:21,226 (horn honks) 1925 01:32:23,101 --> 01:32:25,932 (chattering) 1926 01:32:25,933 --> 01:32:29,142 (muted chattering) 1927 01:32:29,143 --> 01:32:30,933 MAN: Eh... in chapter one 1928 01:32:30,934 --> 01:32:34,392 of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland,um, 1929 01:32:34,393 --> 01:32:41,392 she is being recited a story by her elder sister, right? 1930 01:32:41,393 --> 01:32:44,183 Um... (baby fussing in crowd) 1931 01:32:44,184 --> 01:32:46,267 And it's boring. 1932 01:32:46,268 --> 01:32:48,892 She, she doesn't like the story, 1933 01:32:48,893 --> 01:32:54,183 and, and this is this thing that encourages her 1934 01:32:54,184 --> 01:32:57,809 and sets off this whole journey into, into fantasy, 1935 01:32:57,809 --> 01:33:02,350 and I found it so interesting, thinking about that 1936 01:33:02,351 --> 01:33:06,892 and realizing kind of what my, my journey has been, 1937 01:33:06,893 --> 01:33:09,932 um, which is essentially the opposite of that. 1938 01:33:09,933 --> 01:33:14,058 It's trying to take stories and make them not boring. 1939 01:33:14,059 --> 01:33:17,142 Um, it's trying to take traditional literature 1940 01:33:17,143 --> 01:33:20,559 and traditional, like, like, ideas of what it means 1941 01:33:20,559 --> 01:33:25,809 to be intellectual and academic and educated... 1942 01:33:25,809 --> 01:33:28,851 (baby crying) 1943 01:33:28,852 --> 01:33:31,932 and how it was the actual boredom 1944 01:33:31,933 --> 01:33:35,851 that pushed Alice into this new world of chasing fantasy. 1945 01:33:35,852 --> 01:33:39,475 I feel so similar to that so, so frequently. 1946 01:33:39,476 --> 01:33:40,393 I, I read these things, 1947 01:33:40,394 --> 01:33:45,559 and I see all these brilliant, brilliant people in this world 1948 01:33:45,559 --> 01:33:50,600 who are, are... feel the need to package their ideas 1949 01:33:50,601 --> 01:33:51,932 and their intellect 1950 01:33:51,933 --> 01:33:55,932 and, in this stringent and traditional way, 1951 01:33:55,933 --> 01:34:00,684 because that's the way that we're used to digesting it. 1952 01:34:00,684 --> 01:34:04,142 So I hope that one of the things 1953 01:34:04,143 --> 01:34:06,559 that you take from this program 1954 01:34:06,559 --> 01:34:08,642 is that intellect and academia 1955 01:34:08,643 --> 01:34:12,475 and literature does not have to be highbrow. 1956 01:34:12,476 --> 01:34:13,642 It does not have to be elitist. 1957 01:34:13,643 --> 01:34:19,475 Um, it can develop in a organic and genuine way. 1958 01:34:19,476 --> 01:34:24,183 So I'm going to read this last piece, um. 1959 01:34:24,184 --> 01:34:29,933 "When this man enters a room 1960 01:34:29,934 --> 01:34:33,267 "He wishes to keep his chin up 1961 01:34:33,268 --> 01:34:38,559 "To carry with him a continental smile 1962 01:34:38,559 --> 01:34:39,559 "And a heart 1963 01:34:39,561 --> 01:34:44,058 "A heart that lifts the floor like a splintering brass chorus 1964 01:34:44,059 --> 01:34:48,892 "Of drums and saxophones, Questlove and Coltrane 1965 01:34:48,893 --> 01:34:50,932 "marching to Gettysburg at my feet 1966 01:34:50,933 --> 01:34:54,642 "With shotgun improvs that grow into rock steady 1967 01:34:54,643 --> 01:34:58,142 "Playing like a humble bass line for the beautiful, 1968 01:34:58,143 --> 01:35:00,932 "the gorgeous shootouts that ring out 1969 01:35:00,933 --> 01:35:03,932 "throughout old Chicago jazz clubs 1970 01:35:03,933 --> 01:35:06,932 "and smoky New Orleans hallways. 1971 01:35:06,933 --> 01:35:08,267 "He is a man. 1972 01:35:08,268 --> 01:35:12,183 "He is a man because he claims he's claimed his identity 1973 01:35:12,184 --> 01:35:14,809 "Yet still walks with the melancholy whisper 1974 01:35:14,809 --> 01:35:16,933 "Of everything mama couldn't teach him, 1975 01:35:16,934 --> 01:35:18,475 "Preacher couldn't preach to him 1976 01:35:18,476 --> 01:35:22,809 "On Fridays when the bar ends, the clouds unclench their fists, 1977 01:35:22,809 --> 01:35:26,600 "I walk home, empty pack of Marlboros in my back pocket. 1978 01:35:26,601 --> 01:35:29,932 "Girl I don't know so well, under my left arm 1979 01:35:29,933 --> 01:35:31,600 "Laughing too damn loudly. 1980 01:35:31,601 --> 01:35:36,225 "I sit under a poster of Hendrix with Mona Lisa-like eyes 1981 01:35:36,226 --> 01:35:38,058 "that follow me wherever I go 1982 01:35:38,059 --> 01:35:43,600 "And I wonder what is in a man. 1983 01:35:43,601 --> 01:35:45,932 "It wasn't always like that, though. 1984 01:35:45,933 --> 01:35:50,932 "Before the intrigue of standing tall swallowed my skin 1985 01:35:50,933 --> 01:35:53,725 "Every boy had a smiling father to dribble him 1986 01:35:53,726 --> 01:35:55,725 "Every watch could stop if you please 1987 01:35:55,726 --> 01:35:58,767 "Every set of five fingers had a warm twin that fit 1988 01:35:58,768 --> 01:36:02,600 "But since then, I spent too many Sundays with the sun 1989 01:36:02,601 --> 01:36:04,267 "And girls just looking for dick 1990 01:36:04,268 --> 01:36:05,933 "Thought I had a good one once 1991 01:36:05,934 --> 01:36:08,058 "But now all I do is write black love poems 1992 01:36:08,059 --> 01:36:11,517 "The only thing she hates more than me are mirrors 1993 01:36:11,518 --> 01:36:14,725 "The only thing I hate more than love is not being in it 1994 01:36:14,726 --> 01:36:17,932 "Call it crystal eyed or young of me to say 1995 01:36:17,933 --> 01:36:20,058 "But some days I wake up wondering 1996 01:36:20,059 --> 01:36:22,308 "Where have all the trumpets gone? 1997 01:36:22,309 --> 01:36:26,225 "What makes a man, and what have they done with Motown's tongue? 1998 01:36:26,226 --> 01:36:28,100 "When did the sound of my own breath 1999 01:36:28,101 --> 01:36:30,932 "Become not enough music to get me through the night 2000 01:36:30,933 --> 01:36:34,100 "And why, why can't we let ourselves go in the nighttime 2001 01:36:34,101 --> 01:36:37,142 "Without fucking it up in the morning, 2002 01:36:37,143 --> 01:36:38,183 "In the morning. 2003 01:36:38,184 --> 01:36:39,225 "In the morning, wake me up 2004 01:36:39,226 --> 01:36:43,350 "Like we died in each others' arms 12 hours prior 2005 01:36:43,351 --> 01:36:46,600 "And had been planning to do so on breath cue 2006 01:36:46,601 --> 01:36:50,225 "From the first time my lips cuddled your forehead 2007 01:36:50,226 --> 01:36:51,143 "I know. 2008 01:36:51,144 --> 01:36:52,933 (baby crying) 2009 01:36:52,934 --> 01:36:59,225 "I know my carpet may not taste as sweet as the golden gates 2010 01:36:59,226 --> 01:37:00,517 "But you slept here last night 2011 01:37:00,518 --> 01:37:02,932 "And somewhere between the Bankers Club and the eight ball 2012 01:37:02,933 --> 01:37:06,932 "from yesterday, I was reminded that a broken heart bleeds red 2013 01:37:06,933 --> 01:37:11,559 "So now my past, my insides got you looking like a fresh murder 2014 01:37:11,559 --> 01:37:17,600 "Can I be a man and clean that up for you? 2015 01:37:17,601 --> 01:37:20,932 "Could you, could you love me just as hard 2016 01:37:20,933 --> 01:37:24,767 "if I'd rather talk some shit out? 2017 01:37:24,768 --> 01:37:27,851 "If, if I'd rather, 2018 01:37:27,852 --> 01:37:32,183 "If I'd rather picket fence my tongue quiet and slow 2019 01:37:32,184 --> 01:37:37,517 "like a stream across the whole navy Van Gogh of your body 2020 01:37:37,518 --> 01:37:41,350 "Cheek to back in a curve of your thigh and I disappear 2021 01:37:41,351 --> 01:37:44,392 "And there's no more before, no more after, 2022 01:37:44,393 --> 01:37:46,350 "Just a screaming white light 2023 01:37:46,351 --> 01:37:48,142 "Rattling the inside of your skull 2024 01:37:48,143 --> 01:37:52,932 "Like a drug-addicted prisoner and a man, a man, 2025 01:37:52,933 --> 01:37:56,559 "I swear to God, I'm a man 2026 01:37:56,559 --> 01:37:59,183 "standing tall, 2027 01:37:59,184 --> 01:38:01,767 "Looking down over his work 2028 01:38:01,768 --> 01:38:03,350 Like a lost diamond." 2029 01:38:03,351 --> 01:38:06,475 Thank you so much. 2030 01:38:06,476 --> 01:38:09,434 (cars driving by) 2031 01:38:14,768 --> 01:38:17,684 (chattering) 2032 01:38:17,684 --> 01:38:20,392 (airbrakes engaging) 2033 01:38:20,393 --> 01:38:22,559 MAN: The way that my staff can help, 2034 01:38:22,559 --> 01:38:24,851 in addition to providing direct help, 2035 01:38:24,852 --> 01:38:26,350 the government and community affairs office, 2036 01:38:26,351 --> 01:38:29,016 we can also provide, you know, guidance, possibly. 2037 01:38:29,017 --> 01:38:31,100 You know, as you're navigating through government, 2038 01:38:31,101 --> 01:38:33,350 many of you may not have done that 2039 01:38:33,351 --> 01:38:35,517 as intimately as you're doing it now. 2040 01:38:35,518 --> 01:38:36,892 You may have a question about 2041 01:38:36,893 --> 01:38:38,600 you know, an agency 2042 01:38:38,601 --> 01:38:41,932 or who these other agencies are interacting with, 2043 01:38:41,933 --> 01:38:44,308 or perhaps, you know, the mayor's agenda 2044 01:38:44,309 --> 01:38:46,600 or the speaker's agenda or the governor's agenda, 2045 01:38:46,601 --> 01:38:48,684 or things that are helping you 2046 01:38:48,684 --> 01:38:51,932 to navigate through the agencies at the federal level. 2047 01:38:51,933 --> 01:38:54,183 So we can help with all of that. 2048 01:38:54,184 --> 01:38:55,725 So I thought it would be good... 2049 01:38:55,726 --> 01:38:56,726 The other thing we'll be doing is, 2050 01:38:56,727 --> 01:38:58,933 I will, I or a member of my team 2051 01:38:58,934 --> 01:39:00,809 will be joining your biweeklies 2052 01:39:00,809 --> 01:39:03,809 Yep. just to hear from you 2053 01:39:03,809 --> 01:39:04,932 what's happening, 2054 01:39:04,933 --> 01:39:07,475 and if there are any, you know, new initiatives 2055 01:39:07,476 --> 01:39:08,351 that we should be aware of 2056 01:39:08,352 --> 01:39:09,642 or if there are any ongoing initiatives, 2057 01:39:09,643 --> 01:39:12,183 just for you to give us updates on those as well. 2058 01:39:12,184 --> 01:39:13,350 WOMAN: We've got to make sure that 2059 01:39:13,351 --> 01:39:15,932 we're bringing our Government Affairs with us 2060 01:39:15,933 --> 01:39:17,851 so that they understand where we might be able 2061 01:39:17,852 --> 01:39:21,475 to plug into those government relationships, right? 2062 01:39:21,476 --> 01:39:22,517 So we need to do both. 2063 01:39:22,518 --> 01:39:23,932 MAN: Off the top of my head, 2064 01:39:23,933 --> 01:39:25,475 Christopher mentioned our meeting this week 2065 01:39:25,476 --> 01:39:26,933 with the Department of Health. 2066 01:39:26,934 --> 01:39:27,852 As you all know, 2067 01:39:27,853 --> 01:39:29,600 the First Lady's mental health initiative. 2068 01:39:29,601 --> 01:39:32,642 We're trying to see how we can help them 2069 01:39:32,643 --> 01:39:33,434 move that agenda along. 2070 01:39:33,436 --> 01:39:36,809 There are a lot of ways that we can provide help to the city. 2071 01:39:36,809 --> 01:39:39,932 A, you know, we have infrastructure 2072 01:39:39,933 --> 01:39:40,975 in every neighborhood in the city, 2073 01:39:40,976 --> 01:39:43,684 so we can provide space for them to conduct meetings. 2074 01:39:43,684 --> 01:39:45,142 We can also help them get the word out 2075 01:39:45,143 --> 01:39:46,101 on some of these initiatives 2076 01:39:46,102 --> 01:39:48,058 and possibly our programming can align 2077 01:39:48,059 --> 01:39:50,600 with what they're trying to achieve as well. 2078 01:39:50,601 --> 01:39:51,892 Minority women-owned businesses. 2079 01:39:51,893 --> 01:39:54,975 We're working with the city on this as well, 2080 01:39:54,976 --> 01:39:56,225 to track, to do a better job 2081 01:39:56,226 --> 01:40:00,225 of tracking, um, you know, who we partner with, 2082 01:40:00,226 --> 01:40:01,932 who we do business with. 2083 01:40:01,933 --> 01:40:04,016 So that's happening right now. 2084 01:40:04,017 --> 01:40:07,058 IDNYC is ongoing, as we know. 2085 01:40:07,059 --> 01:40:10,100 The city is so happy with our participation 2086 01:40:10,101 --> 01:40:11,559 under the IDNYC programming, 2087 01:40:11,559 --> 01:40:14,434 they've asked us to provide pop-up sites, 2088 01:40:14,434 --> 01:40:16,183 so some of you are involved with that as well. 2089 01:40:16,184 --> 01:40:18,559 Christopher knows about this as well. 2090 01:40:18,559 --> 01:40:20,517 Uh, the mayor's Office of Immigrant Affairs, 2091 01:40:20,518 --> 01:40:21,933 I mean, New Americans Corners. 2092 01:40:21,934 --> 01:40:23,932 We set those up last those up last year in all the branches 2093 01:40:23,933 --> 01:40:25,684 and the city is thinking about ways 2094 01:40:25,684 --> 01:40:28,308 that they can improve on those services 2095 01:40:28,309 --> 01:40:29,226 to the immigrant population 2096 01:40:29,227 --> 01:40:31,684 and one of the ways that they're looking to do that right now 2097 01:40:31,684 --> 01:40:35,892 is to possibly provide legal services 2098 01:40:35,893 --> 01:40:38,892 in public spaces in the city, including libraries. 2099 01:40:38,893 --> 01:40:39,684 So we're in conversations 2100 01:40:39,686 --> 01:40:40,932 with the city on that as well. 2101 01:40:40,933 --> 01:40:42,100 Libraries have always been this adjunct... 2102 01:40:42,101 --> 01:40:44,851 Right. to the education system 2103 01:40:44,852 --> 01:40:45,932 in the city. 2104 01:40:45,933 --> 01:40:47,600 There are 127 city agencies. 2105 01:40:47,601 --> 01:40:49,932 I'm sure if we were to go through a list, 2106 01:40:49,933 --> 01:40:52,932 we probably do business with 30 or 40 of them. 2107 01:40:52,933 --> 01:40:56,892 We are the greatest example of a public-private partnership 2108 01:40:56,893 --> 01:40:58,225 and on that public side, I mean, 2109 01:40:58,226 --> 01:41:00,475 we interact deeply on a daily basis, 2110 01:41:00,476 --> 01:41:03,308 and it really is, uh, it's a good idea for us 2111 01:41:03,309 --> 01:41:05,434 to track that as best we can. 2112 01:41:05,434 --> 01:41:07,933 (chattering) 2113 01:41:12,518 --> 01:41:13,767 (papers rustling) 2114 01:41:13,768 --> 01:41:16,475 WOMAN: Mr. García Márquez is mostly remembered 2115 01:41:16,476 --> 01:41:18,350 in terms of magical realism, 2116 01:41:18,351 --> 01:41:19,559 being the style that he worked in. 2117 01:41:19,559 --> 01:41:25,267 You know, the idea of magic being a part of everyday life, 2118 01:41:25,268 --> 01:41:29,392 extraordinary things happen, magical things happen, 2119 01:41:29,393 --> 01:41:30,933 spellbinding things happening. 2120 01:41:30,934 --> 01:41:31,933 A big part of his work. 2121 01:41:31,934 --> 01:41:35,434 Several people have said that Love in the Time of Cholera 2122 01:41:35,434 --> 01:41:37,975 is like the American Huckleberry Finn. 2123 01:41:37,976 --> 01:41:39,142 Everybody knows it. 2124 01:41:39,143 --> 01:41:39,933 Everybody can quote it. 2125 01:41:39,934 --> 01:41:43,600 People, you know, it's the book everybody reads there. 2126 01:41:43,601 --> 01:41:46,016 Um, so... 2127 01:41:46,017 --> 01:41:47,932 So what do we think of him? 2128 01:41:47,933 --> 01:41:49,684 I did think, as I read it, 2129 01:41:49,684 --> 01:41:51,600 it would have been better titled, 2130 01:41:51,601 --> 01:41:55,016 Lovemaking in the Time of Cholera, 2131 01:41:55,017 --> 01:41:57,058 because I got a little bored 2132 01:41:57,059 --> 01:41:59,725 with all the in and outs of all the bed. 2133 01:41:59,726 --> 01:42:02,517 MAN: I find the beginning lines and beginning pages, 2134 01:42:02,518 --> 01:42:06,475 I can tell whether I can get into a book in a couple days. 2135 01:42:06,476 --> 01:42:08,725 I mean, it's not like, "Call me Ishmael," 2136 01:42:08,726 --> 01:42:09,932 which is very striking, 2137 01:42:09,933 --> 01:42:11,767 but this one is, "It was inevitable: 2138 01:42:11,768 --> 01:42:15,767 "the scent of bitter almonds always reminded him 2139 01:42:15,768 --> 01:42:17,851 of the fate of unrequited love." 2140 01:42:17,852 --> 01:42:20,851 And the theme of almonds and bitter almonds come through. 2141 01:42:20,852 --> 01:42:24,475 And this is a story of unrequited love. 2142 01:42:24,476 --> 01:42:27,851 That was only at the end gets fulfilled 2143 01:42:27,852 --> 01:42:32,225 under the guise of being a boat with cholera, you know. 2144 01:42:32,226 --> 01:42:34,308 And so I think he's saying, in a way, 2145 01:42:34,309 --> 01:42:36,308 that passion is a sickness. 2146 01:42:36,309 --> 01:42:38,932 WOMAN: The explanation for Florentino 2147 01:42:38,933 --> 01:42:43,559 was exactly what you said, unrequited love. 2148 01:42:43,559 --> 01:42:46,475 That kicked off the rest of his life. 2149 01:42:46,476 --> 01:42:49,350 It affected him for the rest of his life, 2150 01:42:49,351 --> 01:42:52,058 but he really loved Fermina. 2151 01:42:52,059 --> 01:42:55,016 Yes, he screwed all these women 2152 01:42:55,017 --> 01:42:59,600 in both figurative and literal sense, 2153 01:42:59,601 --> 01:43:01,475 but he loved Fermina, 2154 01:43:01,476 --> 01:43:03,559 and he would have done anything for her, 2155 01:43:03,559 --> 01:43:07,809 and I think this is proven throughout the book. 2156 01:43:07,809 --> 01:43:10,225 Also, he was devastated 2157 01:43:10,226 --> 01:43:12,933 by what happened to América Vicuña. 2158 01:43:12,934 --> 01:43:15,225 MAN: Right. As we all were, 2159 01:43:15,226 --> 01:43:16,933 he was devastated by that. 2160 01:43:16,934 --> 01:43:19,225 He kept on thinking about it. 2161 01:43:19,226 --> 01:43:20,350 He went into the stateroom 2162 01:43:20,351 --> 01:43:24,058 on that final voyage down the Magdalena, 2163 01:43:24,059 --> 01:43:28,932 and he cried until there were no tears left. 2164 01:43:28,933 --> 01:43:30,932 He was a human being, 2165 01:43:30,933 --> 01:43:34,642 and that's what I think was so good about this book. 2166 01:43:34,643 --> 01:43:39,932 It was surreal in many respects, magical realism, 2167 01:43:39,933 --> 01:43:42,767 but yet there's tremendous, 2168 01:43:42,768 --> 01:43:45,932 in-depth knowledge of human nature, 2169 01:43:45,933 --> 01:43:48,559 both good and bad, in this book. 2170 01:43:48,559 --> 01:43:55,600 I felt it so perceptive about what it means to be married, 2171 01:43:55,601 --> 01:43:57,600 what it means on your wedding night, 2172 01:43:57,601 --> 01:44:02,517 what it means to be a widow, what it means to get old. 2173 01:44:02,518 --> 01:44:05,434 I mean, I was personally affected 2174 01:44:05,434 --> 01:44:09,475 by the fact that the whole second part of the book was, 2175 01:44:09,476 --> 01:44:13,016 "What does it mean to be in your 70s now?" 2176 01:44:13,017 --> 01:44:18,809 And yet, he keeps on injecting these surreal elements. 2177 01:44:18,809 --> 01:44:23,932 So I think both characters were very sympathetic. 2178 01:44:23,933 --> 01:44:27,016 They were real. 2179 01:44:27,017 --> 01:44:30,642 WOMAN: It was his imagination of Fermina that he loved. 2180 01:44:30,643 --> 01:44:32,058 He didn't know her. 2181 01:44:32,059 --> 01:44:34,851 (chuckles) He only knew what he thought she was, 2182 01:44:34,852 --> 01:44:38,100 and of course we've all had relationships 2183 01:44:38,101 --> 01:44:39,559 where the person, the other person, 2184 01:44:39,559 --> 01:44:41,142 thinks we're something we're not. 2185 01:44:41,143 --> 01:44:41,809 And, I mean, 2186 01:44:41,811 --> 01:44:43,975 it takes a while for you to finally say, "Look, 2187 01:44:43,976 --> 01:44:45,932 I'm not who you think I am," you know? 2188 01:44:45,933 --> 01:44:48,475 It's the... and I think he had all... 2189 01:44:48,476 --> 01:44:51,932 it was his imagination that sustained him, 2190 01:44:51,933 --> 01:44:54,142 not the real person. 2191 01:44:54,143 --> 01:44:55,767 But I do think love, you know, what is love? 2192 01:44:55,768 --> 01:44:57,932 It's very hard to figure it out. 2193 01:44:57,933 --> 01:44:59,725 MAN: He was in love with love, 2194 01:44:59,726 --> 01:45:02,559 or his fantasy of her, his, you know, what did you call him? 2195 01:45:02,559 --> 01:45:05,517 His imagination of her, about her 2196 01:45:05,518 --> 01:45:06,309 was not the real her, 2197 01:45:06,309 --> 01:45:08,851 and, um, and that's what kept him going. 2198 01:45:08,852 --> 01:45:14,225 That and his constant promiscuous affairs, affairs, 2199 01:45:14,226 --> 01:45:15,017 is what kept him going. 2200 01:45:15,018 --> 01:45:18,058 Uh, so he was living in the world of illusion. 2201 01:45:18,059 --> 01:45:19,308 MAN: What is love, after all? 2202 01:45:19,309 --> 01:45:22,142 I think that's one of the themes of the book, 2203 01:45:22,143 --> 01:45:23,933 is that love is really an illusion, 2204 01:45:23,934 --> 01:45:28,058 and the way that Florentino loves Fermina 2205 01:45:28,059 --> 01:45:29,017 is no different than, say, 2206 01:45:29,018 --> 01:45:30,932 the way that Romeo falls in love with Juliet, 2207 01:45:30,933 --> 01:45:34,932 and it's based simply on a gut reaction in adolescence 2208 01:45:34,933 --> 01:45:38,392 and based on very little else. 2209 01:45:38,393 --> 01:45:39,393 The pursuit of love, 2210 01:45:39,394 --> 01:45:40,434 it's just a means to delay 2211 01:45:40,434 --> 01:45:42,392 and avoid the aging process 2212 01:45:42,393 --> 01:45:45,975 and ultimately to avoid death, if you can, 2213 01:45:45,976 --> 01:45:47,932 as long as you can. 2214 01:45:47,933 --> 01:45:51,184 (chattering) 2215 01:46:01,601 --> 01:46:04,809 (shoes squeaking in distance) 2216 01:46:06,934 --> 01:46:09,601 (chattering) 2217 01:46:15,933 --> 01:46:17,932 MAN: Both the city and the library tend 2218 01:46:17,933 --> 01:46:21,267 to view a lot of patron-facing digital efforts as separate. 2219 01:46:21,268 --> 01:46:23,100 So there's the ITG consideration 2220 01:46:23,101 --> 01:46:26,434 of how much bandwidth we provide for Wi-Fi. 2221 01:46:26,434 --> 01:46:27,932 There's innovation labs. 2222 01:46:27,933 --> 01:46:30,308 There's TechConnect, there's the hotspots. 2223 01:46:30,309 --> 01:46:30,933 On the city side, 2224 01:46:30,934 --> 01:46:32,892 there's the Lincoln YC pay phones projects. 2225 01:46:32,893 --> 01:46:34,559 There's coding in the schools. 2226 01:46:34,559 --> 01:46:36,183 There's a NYCHA hotspot. 2227 01:46:36,184 --> 01:46:41,308 These are all you know, components of a larger strategy 2228 01:46:41,309 --> 01:46:43,267 around an inclusive digital city. 2229 01:46:43,268 --> 01:46:44,517 If you tell that richer story, 2230 01:46:44,518 --> 01:46:48,932 it, um, it's more powerful, because you see the connections, 2231 01:46:48,933 --> 01:46:50,932 and, frankly, from a library perspective, 2232 01:46:50,933 --> 01:46:53,932 it reveals just how integral we are 2233 01:46:53,933 --> 01:46:55,392 to the digital life of the city, 2234 01:46:55,393 --> 01:46:58,767 in a way that if you just take it one on one, 2235 01:46:58,768 --> 01:47:00,434 we're sort of less relevant. 2236 01:47:00,434 --> 01:47:01,892 And so that's the other goal of this. 2237 01:47:01,893 --> 01:47:04,975 Can we help the city understand the richness 2238 01:47:04,976 --> 01:47:05,684 of these issues, 2239 01:47:05,686 --> 01:47:07,183 so they can understand the richness of our solution? 2240 01:47:07,184 --> 01:47:10,308 Should we have personas for, like, 2241 01:47:10,309 --> 01:47:12,142 think of different types of users. 2242 01:47:12,143 --> 01:47:12,933 WOMAN: Yes. 2243 01:47:12,934 --> 01:47:14,932 What does an older adult need to know 2244 01:47:14,933 --> 01:47:16,267 in order to be able 2245 01:47:16,268 --> 01:47:18,475 to communicate with their family, 2246 01:47:18,476 --> 01:47:21,892 to not feel isolated, to stay in touch with the news? 2247 01:47:21,893 --> 01:47:23,932 What does a student need to know? 2248 01:47:23,933 --> 01:47:26,932 What does a, right, um... in, in, 2249 01:47:26,933 --> 01:47:29,350 some of that conceptual work actually doesn't exist 2250 01:47:29,351 --> 01:47:31,267 in the larger digital literacy space, 2251 01:47:31,268 --> 01:47:33,932 but is exactly the input necessary 2252 01:47:33,933 --> 01:47:36,142 for us to then say, "Okay. 2253 01:47:36,143 --> 01:47:37,475 "If that's where people need to go, 2254 01:47:37,476 --> 01:47:40,475 "where are we best equipped to help take them 2255 01:47:40,476 --> 01:47:41,434 "and how can we partner 2256 01:47:41,436 --> 01:47:43,642 "with the other institutions around the city 2257 01:47:43,643 --> 01:47:45,932 "to sort of collectively have 2258 01:47:45,933 --> 01:47:47,932 a digitally rich environment?" 2259 01:47:47,933 --> 01:47:51,933 ("The Entertainer" by Scott Joplin playing) 2260 01:47:54,809 --> 01:47:58,933 (chattering) 2261 01:48:03,309 --> 01:48:07,518 ("The Entertainer" continues) 2262 01:48:19,933 --> 01:48:24,434 ("The Entertainer" continues) 2263 01:48:35,768 --> 01:48:39,268 (chattering) 2264 01:48:41,933 --> 01:48:48,184 ("The Entertainer" continues) 2265 01:48:49,684 --> 01:48:53,183 (song fades, large vehicle idling) 2266 01:48:53,184 --> 01:48:58,725 (cars driving by, chattering, distant muted music) 2267 01:48:58,726 --> 01:48:59,809 I have to say, though, 2268 01:48:59,809 --> 01:49:01,475 I think of all the programs, 2269 01:49:01,476 --> 01:49:02,933 I am the most proud of what we're doing today, 2270 01:49:02,934 --> 01:49:05,183 because I think the mission of the library 2271 01:49:05,184 --> 01:49:09,142 and the mission of our guests resonate so beautifully. 2272 01:49:09,143 --> 01:49:12,392 We want to share the arts with all people, 2273 01:49:12,393 --> 01:49:14,725 and this city, which is so amazing, 2274 01:49:14,726 --> 01:49:18,058 with incredible theater and incredible theater-makers, 2275 01:49:18,059 --> 01:49:21,434 these guests are part of the reason why 2276 01:49:21,434 --> 01:49:24,932 deaf audiences are able to experience that. 2277 01:49:24,933 --> 01:49:26,517 Interpreters at theater 2278 01:49:26,518 --> 01:49:29,725 are the red carpet for deaf audiences 2279 01:49:29,726 --> 01:49:34,225 to have access to what's being performed onstage. 2280 01:49:34,226 --> 01:49:36,932 Um, we are not performers, 2281 01:49:36,933 --> 01:49:42,600 yet in order for an audience that is deaf 2282 01:49:42,601 --> 01:49:47,016 to enjoy and cry and laugh 2283 01:49:47,017 --> 01:49:49,932 with everybody else in the theater, 2284 01:49:49,933 --> 01:49:53,225 they need to understand what's happening onstage, 2285 01:49:53,226 --> 01:49:58,058 and they need to understand the emotional life 2286 01:49:58,059 --> 01:50:00,851 of the actors and the characters, 2287 01:50:00,852 --> 01:50:03,100 the choices that actors are making, 2288 01:50:03,101 --> 01:50:05,767 and the, um... 2289 01:50:05,768 --> 01:50:07,851 that whole framework of the play. 2290 01:50:07,852 --> 01:50:10,392 So we do study the actors. 2291 01:50:10,393 --> 01:50:12,267 I do study their mannerisms. 2292 01:50:12,268 --> 01:50:18,559 I do think about the way a show is directed and staged. 2293 01:50:18,559 --> 01:50:20,350 I do think about text. 2294 01:50:20,351 --> 01:50:23,392 All those pieces come together 2295 01:50:23,393 --> 01:50:25,932 to present a red carpet to the deaf audience 2296 01:50:25,933 --> 01:50:26,809 and say, "Hey, 2297 01:50:26,811 --> 01:50:29,932 this is the show that everybody's enjoying." 2298 01:50:29,933 --> 01:50:31,142 And I'm looking at how... 2299 01:50:31,143 --> 01:50:32,933 how the context is giving meaning. 2300 01:50:32,934 --> 01:50:36,308 I'm looking at what the intent of the person is 2301 01:50:36,309 --> 01:50:40,267 that's hearing, that's speaking to the deaf person. 2302 01:50:40,268 --> 01:50:45,100 I'm trying to pull out and parse out all of that 2303 01:50:45,101 --> 01:50:48,350 so I can create a real communication 2304 01:50:48,351 --> 01:50:49,932 between these two worlds 2305 01:50:49,933 --> 01:50:51,851 that are... come with different cultures, 2306 01:50:51,852 --> 01:50:53,809 different backgrounds, different world understanding. 2307 01:50:53,809 --> 01:50:58,725 Sign language is more than just how your hands move. 2308 01:50:58,726 --> 01:51:01,851 It's this whole three-dimensional space 2309 01:51:01,852 --> 01:51:02,932 in front of you. 2310 01:51:02,933 --> 01:51:04,975 So it does include our face. 2311 01:51:04,976 --> 01:51:07,932 That's where grammar will show up a lot of times 2312 01:51:07,933 --> 01:51:11,267 as well as, um... 2313 01:51:11,268 --> 01:51:13,932 affect, mood. 2314 01:51:13,933 --> 01:51:15,475 So it has a dual purpose. 2315 01:51:15,476 --> 01:51:20,892 So I think that we try to explore that with every play. 2316 01:51:20,893 --> 01:51:22,517 What's the feeling in every play? 2317 01:51:22,518 --> 01:51:23,351 What's the mood? 2318 01:51:23,352 --> 01:51:24,684 What are the characters doing, yeah. 2319 01:51:24,684 --> 01:51:27,142 MAN: One thing that the library has 2320 01:51:27,143 --> 01:51:29,475 that's kind of cool is we have 2321 01:51:29,476 --> 01:51:31,058 the fair copy of the Declaration of Independence 2322 01:51:31,059 --> 01:51:34,975 that Thomas Jefferson wrote as a draft 2323 01:51:34,976 --> 01:51:37,932 before the final draft went to the Continental Congress. 2324 01:51:37,933 --> 01:51:40,434 And, um, the big difference is there's a section that, 2325 01:51:40,434 --> 01:51:43,183 where he's quite negative about slavery, 2326 01:51:43,184 --> 01:51:43,933 and that was taken out 2327 01:51:43,934 --> 01:51:48,684 to win the support of delegates from some southern colonies. 2328 01:51:48,684 --> 01:51:50,517 Um, we were wondering just, 2329 01:51:50,518 --> 01:51:52,475 since everyone's relatively familiar 2330 01:51:52,476 --> 01:51:53,932 with the Declaration of Independence, 2331 01:51:53,933 --> 01:51:56,434 we were thinking we could get two volunteers 2332 01:51:56,434 --> 01:51:58,142 to read just a few lines, 2333 01:51:58,143 --> 01:52:01,642 uh, trying to capture a different mood, 2334 01:52:01,643 --> 01:52:02,643 a different emotion. 2335 01:52:02,644 --> 01:52:05,392 Um, one, sort of angry and defiant 2336 01:52:05,393 --> 01:52:08,892 and then another one kind of more inspired and uplifting. 2337 01:52:08,893 --> 01:52:10,932 No, pleading. Pleading, okay. 2338 01:52:10,933 --> 01:52:13,932 Pleading the king to allow you to do this. 2339 01:52:13,933 --> 01:52:14,393 Yeah. 2340 01:52:14,394 --> 01:52:15,932 So do we have any volunteers? 2341 01:52:15,933 --> 01:52:17,392 Somebody want to give it a try? 2342 01:52:17,393 --> 01:52:19,434 Okay. And this lady also. 2343 01:52:19,434 --> 01:52:20,851 Oh, terrific. 2344 01:52:20,852 --> 01:52:21,932 So is any... are either of you 2345 01:52:21,933 --> 01:52:25,933 feeling particularly angry or particularly pleading? 2346 01:52:25,934 --> 01:52:28,268 WOMAN: Her choice. 2347 01:52:30,684 --> 01:52:31,809 Why don't you try angry, 2348 01:52:31,809 --> 01:52:33,932 and you can use my microphone, 2349 01:52:33,933 --> 01:52:37,183 and Candice will be your interpreter. 2350 01:52:37,184 --> 01:52:38,932 Right, so you can stand right there, 2351 01:52:38,933 --> 01:52:40,559 and I'll stand next to you. 2352 01:52:40,559 --> 01:52:42,350 So hopefully this will show you 2353 01:52:42,351 --> 01:52:43,932 a little bit of the difference 2354 01:52:43,933 --> 01:52:48,142 in how an interpretation might look. 2355 01:52:48,143 --> 01:52:51,475 So very angry. 2356 01:52:51,476 --> 01:52:53,183 Not super fast. 2357 01:52:53,184 --> 01:52:54,932 (chuckling) 2358 01:52:54,933 --> 01:52:55,518 Okay. 2359 01:52:55,519 --> 01:52:58,600 "We hold these truths to be self-evident, 2360 01:52:58,601 --> 01:53:00,308 "all men are created equal, 2361 01:53:00,309 --> 01:53:02,475 "that they are endowed by their Creator 2362 01:53:02,476 --> 01:53:04,851 "with certain unalienable rights, 2363 01:53:04,852 --> 01:53:07,434 "that among these are life, liberty, 2364 01:53:07,434 --> 01:53:09,975 "and the pursuit of happiness. 2365 01:53:09,976 --> 01:53:11,932 "And that to secure these rights, 2366 01:53:11,933 --> 01:53:14,308 "governments are instituted among men, 2367 01:53:14,309 --> 01:53:15,932 "deriving their just powers 2368 01:53:15,933 --> 01:53:17,851 "from the consent of the governed. 2369 01:53:17,852 --> 01:53:19,851 "That whenever any form of government 2370 01:53:19,852 --> 01:53:21,434 "becomes destructive of these ends, 2371 01:53:21,434 --> 01:53:25,308 "it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, 2372 01:53:25,309 --> 01:53:26,933 "to institute a new government, 2373 01:53:26,934 --> 01:53:29,350 "laying its foundation on such principles 2374 01:53:29,351 --> 01:53:32,183 "and organizing its powers in such form, 2375 01:53:32,184 --> 01:53:35,559 "as to them shall seem most likely 2376 01:53:35,559 --> 01:53:40,183 to effect their safety and happiness." 2377 01:53:40,184 --> 01:53:42,267 (applause) 2378 01:53:42,268 --> 01:53:43,434 You were angry. 2379 01:53:43,434 --> 01:53:44,351 WOMAN: Pleading? 2380 01:53:44,351 --> 01:53:45,351 MAN: Yeah, pleading. 2381 01:53:45,352 --> 01:53:48,725 Pleading, you may have gotten the easier one. 2382 01:53:48,726 --> 01:53:50,016 You're begging... Are you ready? 2383 01:53:50,017 --> 01:53:55,308 You're begging the king to allow us to do this. 2384 01:53:55,309 --> 01:53:59,058 "We hold these truths to be self-evident, 2385 01:53:59,059 --> 01:54:01,851 "that all men are created equal, 2386 01:54:01,852 --> 01:54:04,809 "that they are endowed by the creator 2387 01:54:04,809 --> 01:54:07,642 "with certain unalienable rights, 2388 01:54:07,643 --> 01:54:11,434 "that among these are life, liberty, 2389 01:54:11,434 --> 01:54:14,308 "and the pursuit of happiness. 2390 01:54:14,309 --> 01:54:16,392 "That to secure these rights, 2391 01:54:16,393 --> 01:54:19,600 "governments are instituted among men, 2392 01:54:19,601 --> 01:54:21,684 "deriving their just powers 2393 01:54:21,684 --> 01:54:24,016 "from the consent of the governed. 2394 01:54:24,017 --> 01:54:26,517 "That whenever any form of government 2395 01:54:26,518 --> 01:54:28,559 "becomes destructive of these ends, 2396 01:54:28,559 --> 01:54:35,475 "it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, 2397 01:54:35,476 --> 01:54:37,642 "and to institute a new government, 2398 01:54:37,643 --> 01:54:39,932 "laying its foundation on such principles 2399 01:54:39,933 --> 01:54:43,100 "and organizing its powers in such form, 2400 01:54:43,101 --> 01:54:47,183 "as to them shall seem most likely 2401 01:54:47,184 --> 01:54:52,351 to effect their safety and happiness." 2402 01:54:54,852 --> 01:54:55,726 (applause) 2403 01:54:55,727 --> 01:54:57,434 Little prep next time for me. 2404 01:54:57,434 --> 01:54:58,351 (laughing) 2405 01:54:58,352 --> 01:54:59,434 That was fantastic. 2406 01:54:59,434 --> 01:55:00,892 We have such talented audiences 2407 01:55:00,893 --> 01:55:02,932 at the Library for the Performing Arts. 2408 01:55:02,933 --> 01:55:04,600 We do. Thank you so much. 2409 01:55:04,601 --> 01:55:07,559 (cars driving by) 2410 01:55:09,933 --> 01:55:12,309 (train rumbling) 2411 01:55:21,143 --> 01:55:25,059 (wind rustling) 2412 01:55:28,976 --> 01:55:31,392 (humming a rhythm) 2413 01:55:31,393 --> 01:55:35,809 (papers rustling) 2414 01:55:52,559 --> 01:55:54,642 (indistinct chattering) 2415 01:55:54,643 --> 01:55:57,768 (pencil scratching) 2416 01:56:13,893 --> 01:56:15,768 (distant beep) 2417 01:56:18,393 --> 01:56:21,932 (fan belt humming) 2418 01:56:21,933 --> 01:56:23,058 (flashbulb snaps) 2419 01:56:23,059 --> 01:56:25,101 (beeping) 2420 01:56:25,933 --> 01:56:27,809 (flashbulb snaps) 2421 01:56:29,933 --> 01:56:32,225 (flashbulb snaps, scanner beeps) 2422 01:56:32,226 --> 01:56:34,600 (flashbulb snaps, scanner beeps) 2423 01:56:34,601 --> 01:56:36,932 (flashbulb snaps) (scanner beeps) 2424 01:56:36,933 --> 01:56:41,142 (mouse moving, clicking) 2425 01:56:41,143 --> 01:56:44,934 (fan belt humming, clicking mouse) 2426 01:56:47,726 --> 01:56:50,559 (flashbulb snaps, scanner beeps) 2427 01:56:53,017 --> 01:56:54,142 (flashbulb snaps) 2428 01:56:54,143 --> 01:56:56,852 (scanner beeps) 2429 01:57:12,852 --> 01:57:13,932 (footsteps retreating) 2430 01:57:13,933 --> 01:57:15,933 (flashbulb snaps) 2431 01:57:17,226 --> 01:57:19,852 (clicking mouse) 2432 01:57:23,852 --> 01:57:24,932 (flashbulb snaps) 2433 01:57:24,933 --> 01:57:27,225 (machine hums) 2434 01:57:27,226 --> 01:57:28,143 (flashbulb snaps) 2435 01:57:28,144 --> 01:57:30,725 (scanner beeps) 2436 01:57:30,726 --> 01:57:32,059 (clicking mouse) 2437 01:57:39,933 --> 01:57:42,768 (flashbulb snaps, scanner beeps) 2438 01:57:43,351 --> 01:57:44,933 (flashbulb snaps) 2439 01:57:46,601 --> 01:57:48,643 (cart wheels squeaking) 2440 01:57:50,643 --> 01:57:54,601 (machine whirring) 2441 01:58:05,933 --> 01:58:07,933 (car horn honking in distance) 2442 01:58:11,933 --> 01:58:14,225 (wheel squeaking) 2443 01:58:14,226 --> 01:58:19,726 (papers and envelopes rustling) 2444 01:58:29,934 --> 01:58:31,768 (squeaking) 2445 01:58:33,933 --> 01:58:36,143 (belt humming) 2446 01:58:36,726 --> 01:58:39,852 (boxes rattling) 2447 01:58:47,809 --> 01:58:49,434 (books thumping) 2448 01:58:50,684 --> 01:58:53,309 (books thumping) 2449 01:59:00,559 --> 01:59:03,852 (belt squeaking) (barcode scanner beeping) 2450 01:59:07,933 --> 01:59:14,268 (rumbling, squeaking) 2451 01:59:23,268 --> 01:59:25,768 (barcode scanner beeping) 2452 01:59:30,226 --> 01:59:34,225 (barcode scanner beeping) 2453 01:59:34,226 --> 01:59:39,933 (rollers squeaking, boxes rumbling) 2454 01:59:45,768 --> 01:59:47,392 (grunts) 2455 01:59:47,393 --> 01:59:48,809 (hydraulics whirring) 2456 01:59:48,809 --> 01:59:50,183 MAN: Leroy... (clattering) 2457 01:59:50,184 --> 01:59:53,517 Have you seen who got 30? 2458 01:59:53,518 --> 01:59:56,809 (train rumbling nearby) 2459 02:00:03,017 --> 02:00:04,517 MAN: But teens are more independent, 2460 02:00:04,518 --> 02:00:06,267 and they have a hard time 2461 02:00:06,268 --> 02:00:06,933 asking for help. 2462 02:00:06,933 --> 02:00:07,933 Most of the times, a lot of teens, 2463 02:00:07,934 --> 02:00:09,100 they think they know it all. 2464 02:00:09,101 --> 02:00:10,350 We all did at one time. 2465 02:00:10,351 --> 02:00:10,933 So it's kinda... 2466 02:00:10,934 --> 02:00:12,892 So my best way of getting in touch with them 2467 02:00:12,893 --> 02:00:14,851 is kind of let them know, "Oh, listen. 2468 02:00:14,852 --> 02:00:15,685 "So what are you doing? 2469 02:00:15,686 --> 02:00:16,932 "I'm so bad at math. 2470 02:00:16,933 --> 02:00:17,933 "What do you recommend for me to do? 2471 02:00:17,934 --> 02:00:19,642 What do you do to work on your math skills?" 2472 02:00:19,643 --> 02:00:20,809 And then they'll tell me, "Oh, Rick, 2473 02:00:20,810 --> 02:00:22,058 "all you need to do is do this, 2474 02:00:22,059 --> 02:00:23,350 and they have books in there." 2475 02:00:23,351 --> 02:00:24,932 I'm like, "Oh I know we do, but do you use them?" 2476 02:00:24,933 --> 02:00:26,600 And they're like, "Oh, yeah, Ricky. 2477 02:00:26,601 --> 02:00:27,933 You could go to this website too..." 2478 02:00:27,934 --> 02:00:30,932 So I kind of feel what they need and what they know 2479 02:00:30,933 --> 02:00:32,058 and then I build from there. 2480 02:00:32,059 --> 02:00:35,267 Um, it's a little bit hard when it comes to, 2481 02:00:35,268 --> 02:00:36,559 getting them to come for, 2482 02:00:36,560 --> 02:00:39,183 like, if we do a teen math program here, 2483 02:00:39,184 --> 02:00:40,975 a lot of times, if we tell the teens, 2484 02:00:40,976 --> 02:00:41,933 they won't come in. 2485 02:00:41,934 --> 02:00:43,809 So it's different ways and techniques. 2486 02:00:43,810 --> 02:00:44,932 So it will be great for us too. 2487 02:00:44,933 --> 02:00:47,267 This is what we have to work, and that we're with the schools. 2488 02:00:47,268 --> 02:00:49,142 So the schools could work something with the parents, 2489 02:00:49,143 --> 02:00:51,475 and then their parents bring the teens in. 2490 02:00:51,476 --> 02:00:54,559 Because they'll come in for a great Wii game or Xbox. 2491 02:00:54,560 --> 02:00:56,392 They'll come in on their own for that, no problem. 2492 02:00:56,393 --> 02:00:57,600 WOMAN: Recreational. Recreational. 2493 02:00:57,601 --> 02:00:58,932 But when it comes to something educational, 2494 02:00:58,933 --> 02:01:00,475 it's a little bit hard, which is understandable, 2495 02:01:00,476 --> 02:01:02,809 because they're doing school seven hours a day. 2496 02:01:02,810 --> 02:01:03,685 WOMAN: Yeah, they're exhausted. 2497 02:01:03,686 --> 02:01:04,975 They're exhausted when they come here. 2498 02:01:04,976 --> 02:01:07,809 This is why I think it's very important for the libraries 2499 02:01:07,810 --> 02:01:10,975 to give the teens their own space 2500 02:01:10,976 --> 02:01:12,851 and their time in each branch, 2501 02:01:12,852 --> 02:01:13,932 because it's important for the teens 2502 02:01:13,933 --> 02:01:16,142 to come in and feel like they belong somewhere. 2503 02:01:16,143 --> 02:01:16,933 And it's not a school. 2504 02:01:16,934 --> 02:01:18,767 When they come to our programs, I don't want them to feel 2505 02:01:18,768 --> 02:01:20,559 like they have to sit there straight 2506 02:01:20,560 --> 02:01:21,435 and just do math work. 2507 02:01:21,436 --> 02:01:23,016 No, I want you to feel like this is the place 2508 02:01:23,017 --> 02:01:24,642 for you to come with your friends... 2509 02:01:24,643 --> 02:01:26,016 Relax. WOMAN: Yes. 2510 02:01:26,017 --> 02:01:26,933 and talk about math, 2511 02:01:26,933 --> 02:01:27,933 you can learn from each other, 2512 02:01:27,934 --> 02:01:29,475 respect each other is the main thing that I want. 2513 02:01:29,476 --> 02:01:32,058 Respect each other, but also learn from each other, 2514 02:01:32,059 --> 02:01:33,142 and how can you help each other? 2515 02:01:33,143 --> 02:01:35,058 And with the teens, a great way to do that too 2516 02:01:35,059 --> 02:01:37,975 is get them, a bunch of teens in one room together 2517 02:01:37,976 --> 02:01:40,932 and have them kind of let us know what they need, 2518 02:01:40,933 --> 02:01:43,225 not us kind of telling them, "Oh, this is what you do." 2519 02:01:43,226 --> 02:01:45,600 It's kind of like, "How will you help him? 2520 02:01:45,601 --> 02:01:46,226 How would she help him?" 2521 02:01:46,227 --> 02:01:48,932 All that kind of stuff, and it works. 2522 02:01:48,933 --> 02:01:49,768 We have, as you know, 2523 02:01:49,769 --> 02:01:56,100 a great way of studying how the children and teen readers, 2524 02:01:56,101 --> 02:01:57,142 their reading patterns, 2525 02:01:57,143 --> 02:01:58,350 in terms of what is being borrowed, 2526 02:01:58,351 --> 02:02:00,932 through a tool called Collection HQ, 2527 02:02:00,933 --> 02:02:04,767 and I noticed for the September statistics 2528 02:02:04,768 --> 02:02:07,559 for Parkchester's children and teens, 2529 02:02:07,560 --> 02:02:09,016 there was a lot of focus on math. 2530 02:02:09,017 --> 02:02:11,559 WOMAN: Right. It seemed to be a point... 2531 02:02:11,560 --> 02:02:12,560 (chuckling) 2532 02:02:12,561 --> 02:02:13,851 "How's your math going?" 2533 02:02:13,852 --> 02:02:14,932 where... right. (laughter) 2534 02:02:14,933 --> 02:02:16,016 WOMAN 2: Not good. 2535 02:02:16,017 --> 02:02:20,975 As far as, of the top ten circulating children, 2536 02:02:20,976 --> 02:02:23,684 non-fiction titles for Parkchester, 2537 02:02:23,685 --> 02:02:25,267 there were at least four or five books 2538 02:02:25,268 --> 02:02:28,684 on fractions being requested. Correct. 2539 02:02:28,685 --> 02:02:30,932 And what will be interesting for all of us to see 2540 02:02:30,933 --> 02:02:34,851 is system-wide, is that also a pattern of use, right? 2541 02:02:34,852 --> 02:02:35,393 Yeah. 2542 02:02:35,394 --> 02:02:37,559 Um, Ashante, you've been working a lot 2543 02:02:37,560 --> 02:02:39,933 with, um, through the MyLibraryNYC program, 2544 02:02:39,934 --> 02:02:43,308 and I'm just curious, does this seem to be the... 2545 02:02:43,309 --> 02:02:45,975 is... does there seem to be a true pattern 2546 02:02:45,976 --> 02:02:48,350 of certain topics being covered 2547 02:02:48,351 --> 02:02:51,600 at various points in the year by children and teens? 2548 02:02:51,601 --> 02:02:56,517 Um, parents are really challenged by the new math, 2549 02:02:56,518 --> 02:02:58,559 with the Common Core math. WOMAN: Yes, Common Core. 2550 02:02:58,560 --> 02:03:02,975 So they're used to doing the math, working from... 2551 02:03:02,976 --> 02:03:06,642 working from the top down, 2552 02:03:06,643 --> 02:03:08,975 and now they're going from left to right. 2553 02:03:08,976 --> 02:03:09,933 Right. (chuckles) 2554 02:03:09,934 --> 02:03:12,932 So parents are looking for books on math, 2555 02:03:12,933 --> 02:03:14,434 kids are looking for books for math, 2556 02:03:14,435 --> 02:03:16,851 and we're seeing that, with the teacher's sets, 2557 02:03:16,852 --> 02:03:20,225 that math teachers are looking for teacher sets 2558 02:03:20,226 --> 02:03:23,892 using the MyLibraryNYC teacher sets, 2559 02:03:23,893 --> 02:03:27,725 and... it is, it is a true trend. 2560 02:03:27,726 --> 02:03:29,475 So I'm glad you guys noticed it. 2561 02:03:29,476 --> 02:03:30,517 WOMAN: There's this huge increase 2562 02:03:30,518 --> 02:03:33,308 in circulation of teacher sets and items, 2563 02:03:33,309 --> 02:03:37,933 and so I'm wondering, are they mostly math teacher sets or...? 2564 02:03:37,934 --> 02:03:39,058 Well, the highest... 2565 02:03:39,059 --> 02:03:41,308 the highest-circulating teacher set 2566 02:03:41,309 --> 02:03:43,642 is the baby animals. 2567 02:03:43,643 --> 02:03:45,308 Because who doesn't love baby animals? 2568 02:03:45,309 --> 02:03:46,933 That is the highest-circulating. 2569 02:03:46,934 --> 02:03:50,932 But math is following right behind it. 2570 02:03:50,933 --> 02:03:52,267 And that's new, right? 2571 02:03:52,268 --> 02:03:54,016 Yeah, that's new. That's new. 2572 02:03:54,017 --> 02:03:54,933 We've tripled our, 2573 02:03:54,934 --> 02:03:56,932 we've over tripled our teacher sets. 2574 02:03:56,933 --> 02:03:59,350 Yeah, I was reading this last night. 2575 02:03:59,351 --> 02:04:00,809 I thought, "That's incredible." 2576 02:04:00,810 --> 02:04:02,517 Yeah, we're very proud. Really incredible. 2577 02:04:02,518 --> 02:04:04,932 WOMAN: We need to look at it holistically. 2578 02:04:04,933 --> 02:04:08,434 You know, how we can partner with the programming team 2579 02:04:08,435 --> 02:04:11,392 to ensure that there are resources 2580 02:04:11,393 --> 02:04:13,434 and, you know, there are connections made 2581 02:04:13,435 --> 02:04:15,058 between Programming and Collections, 2582 02:04:15,059 --> 02:04:18,932 and also how we can broaden our reach 2583 02:04:18,933 --> 02:04:21,932 by working with volunteers and staff. 2584 02:04:21,933 --> 02:04:25,183 There is a, an urgency around this. 2585 02:04:25,184 --> 02:04:25,933 We cannot fail. 2586 02:04:25,934 --> 02:04:29,100 I mean if parents are coming, pleading to you... 2587 02:04:29,101 --> 02:04:30,851 WOMAN: Yeah, yeah. 2588 02:04:30,852 --> 02:04:32,267 I can see in their eyes their need, 2589 02:04:32,268 --> 02:04:34,016 they want their kids to be successful. 2590 02:04:34,017 --> 02:04:35,100 Yeah, exactly. 2591 02:04:35,101 --> 02:04:37,892 Their whole family depends on this generation. 2592 02:04:37,893 --> 02:04:39,225 The library cannot fail. 2593 02:04:39,226 --> 02:04:39,768 Yeah. 2594 02:04:39,769 --> 02:04:42,434 If you actually had a non-floating collection 2595 02:04:42,435 --> 02:04:43,393 in specific areas 2596 02:04:43,394 --> 02:04:44,932 that you know your neighborhood really needs... 2597 02:04:44,933 --> 02:04:47,932 Like, math sounds like it's more than Parkchester, 2598 02:04:47,933 --> 02:04:49,058 but it's obviously here... 2599 02:04:49,059 --> 02:04:53,350 And you had a four- or five-day series 2600 02:04:53,351 --> 02:04:54,932 for parents and kids 2601 02:04:54,933 --> 02:04:57,392 to come and learn to do math together, 2602 02:04:57,393 --> 02:04:58,932 there might be a real opportunity 2603 02:04:58,933 --> 02:05:00,932 to bring the community together in here too. 2604 02:05:00,933 --> 02:05:03,642 So you could have something like the Programs in a Box. 2605 02:05:03,643 --> 02:05:04,393 You could have this... 2606 02:05:04,394 --> 02:05:06,183 I mean, the cornerstone of all of this 2607 02:05:06,184 --> 02:05:07,684 is you and the collection, right, 2608 02:05:07,685 --> 02:05:10,517 and having that partnership with the teachers. 2609 02:05:10,518 --> 02:05:11,932 Then you can build around it, 2610 02:05:11,933 --> 02:05:13,767 but we do have the means to build around it, right? 2611 02:05:13,768 --> 02:05:14,932 We have the Programs in a Box, 2612 02:05:14,933 --> 02:05:16,308 which we're all committed to. 2613 02:05:16,309 --> 02:05:20,016 We also have the ability to bring in community tutors. 2614 02:05:20,017 --> 02:05:22,392 There's a lot of potential there 2615 02:05:22,393 --> 02:05:24,600 that we can weave together. 2616 02:05:24,601 --> 02:05:25,560 Let's not lose sight of that, 2617 02:05:25,561 --> 02:05:27,600 and, actually, let's not give that up right now, 2618 02:05:27,601 --> 02:05:29,767 just because we're having this conversation. 2619 02:05:29,768 --> 02:05:33,932 Let's figure out how we help make that happen. 2620 02:05:33,933 --> 02:05:36,934 (train rumbling) 2621 02:05:40,768 --> 02:05:43,933 (siren blaring) 2622 02:05:52,518 --> 02:05:57,351 (fire truck honking) 2623 02:06:01,184 --> 02:06:04,726 (brakes squealing, honking continues) 2624 02:06:05,601 --> 02:06:07,560 (barcode scanner beeping) 2625 02:06:09,933 --> 02:06:11,932 (chattering) 2626 02:06:11,933 --> 02:06:13,809 (receipt printer printing, tearing) 2627 02:06:13,810 --> 02:06:15,932 CLERK: Here you go. 2628 02:06:15,933 --> 02:06:17,058 Check in? 2629 02:06:17,059 --> 02:06:18,892 Or check out? 2630 02:06:18,893 --> 02:06:22,851 (barcode scanner beeping, stacking books) 2631 02:06:22,852 --> 02:06:25,975 (chattering) 2632 02:06:25,976 --> 02:06:28,100 LIBRARY CLERK: How old are you? 2633 02:06:28,101 --> 02:06:28,933 You're 12? 2634 02:06:28,934 --> 02:06:30,392 So you have a student ID? 2635 02:06:30,393 --> 02:06:32,809 Uh, do you have any form of ID? 2636 02:06:32,810 --> 02:06:34,932 Do you have something with your name on it 2637 02:06:34,933 --> 02:06:35,933 and your school name on it, 2638 02:06:35,934 --> 02:06:38,975 like a schedule or a report card 2639 02:06:38,976 --> 02:06:39,893 or a progress report? 2640 02:06:39,894 --> 02:06:42,475 Okay, so I need you to bring me one of those things, 2641 02:06:42,476 --> 02:06:43,684 and if you don't have any of those things, 2642 02:06:43,685 --> 02:06:46,932 then you need to come with a parent or guardian, okay? 2643 02:06:46,933 --> 02:06:48,308 So go get it? Huh? 2644 02:06:48,309 --> 02:06:49,684 Do I have to go get it? 2645 02:06:49,685 --> 02:06:52,100 If you have it, yeah. 2646 02:06:52,101 --> 02:06:54,142 Hey, can I take out Atlanta? 2647 02:06:54,143 --> 02:06:54,810 Yeah. 2648 02:06:54,811 --> 02:06:56,932 Um, this one's actually reserved, 2649 02:06:56,933 --> 02:07:00,600 but, um... let me see. 2650 02:07:00,601 --> 02:07:02,933 (drawer closes) 2651 02:07:03,101 --> 02:07:07,225 WOMAN: Since we're toward the tail of the NYPL HotSpot program, 2652 02:07:07,226 --> 02:07:10,933 the devices generally were going out for a year. 2653 02:07:10,934 --> 02:07:11,933 That has changed. 2654 02:07:11,934 --> 02:07:14,684 Lending periods may be shorter than a year. 2655 02:07:14,685 --> 02:07:16,600 When we check the devices out upstairs, 2656 02:07:16,601 --> 02:07:17,725 the due date that it gives you 2657 02:07:17,726 --> 02:07:20,267 is the due date that it's going to provide. 2658 02:07:20,268 --> 02:07:21,932 They're not renewable at this point. 2659 02:07:21,933 --> 02:07:22,810 You're going to get 2660 02:07:22,811 --> 02:07:25,932 six gigabytes per month at 4G speed. 2661 02:07:25,933 --> 02:07:28,684 Now once you bypass that, it will still work, 2662 02:07:28,685 --> 02:07:30,517 but if you're doing something like streaming, 2663 02:07:30,518 --> 02:07:31,932 watching Netflix, 2664 02:07:31,933 --> 02:07:33,308 it's going to operate slower. 2665 02:07:33,309 --> 02:07:33,976 And keep in mind, 2666 02:07:33,977 --> 02:07:36,267 and I tell this to a lot of people, 2667 02:07:36,268 --> 02:07:39,434 because I've been doing this for the past couple of months, 2668 02:07:39,435 --> 02:07:41,933 be very careful who you let 2669 02:07:41,934 --> 02:07:42,933 use the hotspot device. 2670 02:07:42,934 --> 02:07:46,475 You can connect up to nine devices at once, 2671 02:07:46,476 --> 02:07:47,351 but you have to keep in mind 2672 02:07:47,352 --> 02:07:49,892 the other people who may be using the connection 2673 02:07:49,893 --> 02:07:52,642 may also be using the data that's already allocated. 2674 02:07:52,643 --> 02:07:55,434 So if they're streaming and you're streaming, 2675 02:07:55,435 --> 02:07:57,142 they're eating up data that you're using. 2676 02:07:57,143 --> 02:07:59,809 These can only be checked out 2677 02:07:59,810 --> 02:08:02,642 on fine-free adult library cards. 2678 02:08:02,643 --> 02:08:04,851 Kids cards cannot be used for this. 2679 02:08:04,852 --> 02:08:06,892 Cards for teens cannot be used for this. 2680 02:08:06,893 --> 02:08:10,308 And if anyone has any money on their library card now, 2681 02:08:10,309 --> 02:08:11,684 you will be asked to make a payment 2682 02:08:11,685 --> 02:08:15,142 and clear the balance completely once we go upstairs. 2683 02:08:15,143 --> 02:08:15,933 If you can't do that, 2684 02:08:15,934 --> 02:08:16,934 then we cannot check out the device. 2685 02:08:16,935 --> 02:08:19,642 Please have your library cards ready, 2686 02:08:19,643 --> 02:08:22,308 and we will proceed to the first floor for checkout. 2687 02:08:22,309 --> 02:08:25,809 CLERK: I've only ever read the first one, 2688 02:08:25,810 --> 02:08:28,475 which is The Wonderful Wizard of Oz. 2689 02:08:28,476 --> 02:08:29,851 That's what the movie's based on, 2690 02:08:29,852 --> 02:08:30,852 it's based on that book. 2691 02:08:30,853 --> 02:08:32,392 But that's just the first one. 2692 02:08:32,393 --> 02:08:35,932 And then there's The Marvelous Land of Oz, 2693 02:08:35,933 --> 02:08:39,267 Ozma of Oz, Dorothy and the Wizard in Oz, 2694 02:08:39,268 --> 02:08:42,100 The Road to Oz, The Emerald City of Oz, 2695 02:08:42,101 --> 02:08:42,933 The Patchwork Girl. 2696 02:08:42,933 --> 02:08:43,933 Like, and then it starts talking 2697 02:08:43,934 --> 02:08:46,684 about specific characters. Uh-huh. 2698 02:08:46,684 --> 02:08:48,767 Um... 2699 02:08:48,768 --> 02:08:51,600 Yeah,The Scarecrow of Oz. 2700 02:08:51,601 --> 02:08:52,932 Yeah, that's a whole series. 2701 02:08:52,933 --> 02:08:56,267 But I can put Glenda on hold for you. 2702 02:08:56,268 --> 02:08:57,143 Do you want me to do that? 2703 02:08:57,143 --> 02:08:58,101 MAN: Yes, please. 2704 02:08:58,101 --> 02:08:58,933 CLERK: Okay. 2705 02:08:58,934 --> 02:09:01,932 (barcode scanner beeping) 2706 02:09:01,933 --> 02:09:02,726 (chattering) 2707 02:09:02,726 --> 02:09:03,726 (stamping) 2708 02:09:03,727 --> 02:09:08,851 (typing on keyboard, barcode scanner beeping) 2709 02:09:08,852 --> 02:09:11,933 (plastic crates opening) 2710 02:09:13,809 --> 02:09:15,267 (barcode scanner beeping) 2711 02:09:15,268 --> 02:09:19,350 This is for November 27, 2016. 2712 02:09:19,351 --> 02:09:23,601 (barcode scanner beeping) Okay. 2713 02:09:25,268 --> 02:09:28,559 Okay, we keep the survey here. 2714 02:09:28,559 --> 02:09:30,225 And you are good to go. Congratulations. 2715 02:09:30,226 --> 02:09:31,600 Thank you. Have a good day. 2716 02:09:31,601 --> 02:09:33,559 You too, have a good one. 2717 02:09:33,559 --> 02:09:34,932 Next in line step down. 2718 02:09:34,933 --> 02:09:36,809 WOMAN: Sure. 2719 02:09:36,809 --> 02:09:38,809 (barcode scanner beeping) 2720 02:09:38,809 --> 02:09:39,309 CLERK: Okay, yes. 2721 02:09:39,309 --> 02:09:41,975 ("Celebration" by Kool & the Gang playing on speakers) 2722 02:09:41,976 --> 02:09:44,350 ♪ Celebrate good times, come on ♪ 2723 02:09:44,351 --> 02:09:46,225 ♪ ♪ 2724 02:09:46,226 --> 02:09:48,932 INSTRUCTOR: Let's have some solos. 2725 02:09:48,933 --> 02:09:50,225 Tina. 2726 02:09:50,226 --> 02:09:50,933 Go, yes. 2727 02:09:50,934 --> 02:09:52,767 ♪ Celebrate good times, come on ♪ 2728 02:09:52,768 --> 02:09:54,600 Little solo. 2729 02:09:54,601 --> 02:09:57,933 ♪ There's a party goin' on right here ♪ 2730 02:09:57,934 --> 02:09:59,225 Cheer her on. 2731 02:09:59,226 --> 02:10:00,017 Tina. 2732 02:10:00,018 --> 02:10:01,684 ♪ Celebration ♪ 2733 02:10:01,684 --> 02:10:02,932 Fabulous. 2734 02:10:02,933 --> 02:10:04,183 Go Amina. 2735 02:10:04,184 --> 02:10:05,600 Amina. 2736 02:10:05,601 --> 02:10:07,183 ♪ ...And your laughter too ♪ 2737 02:10:07,184 --> 02:10:09,725 ♪ We're gonna celebrate your party with you ♪ 2738 02:10:09,726 --> 02:10:10,809 WOMAN: Go Amina. 2739 02:10:10,809 --> 02:10:12,933 INSTRUCTOR: Fabulous, go Amina. 2740 02:10:12,934 --> 02:10:15,434 Let's close it in a little. 2741 02:10:15,434 --> 02:10:16,101 Close it, close. 2742 02:10:16,102 --> 02:10:18,725 ♪ Let's all celebrate and have a good time ♪ 2743 02:10:18,726 --> 02:10:19,559 Good. 2744 02:10:19,559 --> 02:10:20,393 Go Bodie. 2745 02:10:20,394 --> 02:10:22,932 ♪ Celebration ♪ Fabulous. 2746 02:10:22,933 --> 02:10:23,518 Go Bodie. 2747 02:10:23,519 --> 02:10:27,932 ♪ We're gonna celebrate and have a good time ♪ 2748 02:10:27,933 --> 02:10:31,559 ♪ It's time to come together ♪ 2749 02:10:31,559 --> 02:10:35,600 ♪ It's up to you... ♪ Let's have Millie and Liz. 2750 02:10:35,601 --> 02:10:36,975 Millie and Liz join. 2751 02:10:36,976 --> 02:10:37,934 Millie. 2752 02:10:37,934 --> 02:10:39,100 Come in Liz. 2753 02:10:39,101 --> 02:10:40,392 You'll find her. 2754 02:10:40,393 --> 02:10:42,767 ♪ ♪ 2755 02:10:42,768 --> 02:10:43,768 Nice, nice. 2756 02:10:43,769 --> 02:10:45,892 I love the movement of Liz's legs. 2757 02:10:45,893 --> 02:10:46,852 Did you see that? 2758 02:10:46,853 --> 02:10:49,684 Look at Millie's stretched out legs. 2759 02:10:49,684 --> 02:10:51,809 Let's go easy. 2760 02:10:51,809 --> 02:10:53,475 Let's go. 2761 02:10:53,476 --> 02:10:54,309 Margalit. 2762 02:10:54,309 --> 02:10:55,933 Come on, take center. 2763 02:10:55,934 --> 02:10:58,934 (cars driving by) 2764 02:11:10,933 --> 02:11:12,892 MAN: That's right. 2765 02:11:12,893 --> 02:11:13,932 Just have to enter in the information 2766 02:11:13,933 --> 02:11:16,975 and then try it out and see what happens. 2767 02:11:16,976 --> 02:11:19,267 Right here... 2768 02:11:19,268 --> 02:11:22,309 (children chattering) 2769 02:11:27,017 --> 02:11:28,851 Hey, hey. Julius, 2770 02:11:28,852 --> 02:11:32,517 if you're holding on to the robots to stop it from moving, 2771 02:11:32,518 --> 02:11:35,183 then that means you need to change something 2772 02:11:35,184 --> 02:11:36,559 on the computer. 2773 02:11:36,559 --> 02:11:38,851 this number? 2774 02:11:38,852 --> 02:11:41,932 (children chattering) 2775 02:11:41,933 --> 02:11:45,309 MAN: Click the green "Run" button. 2776 02:11:46,933 --> 02:11:47,933 BOY: It was... ah! 2777 02:11:47,934 --> 02:11:50,642 BOY 2: I'll just click... 2778 02:11:50,643 --> 02:11:51,351 MAN: Um... 2779 02:11:51,352 --> 02:11:54,932 See how this is kind of moving? 2780 02:11:54,933 --> 02:11:55,852 Can you think of a way 2781 02:11:55,853 --> 02:11:57,975 that maybe you could make it more stable? 2782 02:11:57,976 --> 02:12:02,017 Five, four, three, two... 2783 02:12:03,768 --> 02:12:05,934 Oh, oh, oh! 2784 02:12:08,059 --> 02:12:09,100 Oh, oh! 2785 02:12:09,101 --> 02:12:11,932 So how many coding blocks did I have? 2786 02:12:11,933 --> 02:12:12,933 Five. That's right. 2787 02:12:12,934 --> 02:12:17,434 Now, do you have to make yours exactly the same as mine? 2788 02:12:17,434 --> 02:12:18,767 You don't. 2789 02:12:18,768 --> 02:12:20,932 But just remember that for each action 2790 02:12:20,933 --> 02:12:22,892 that you want this robot to do, 2791 02:12:22,893 --> 02:12:25,975 you have to add another coding block. 2792 02:12:25,976 --> 02:12:28,517 So you keep experimenting 2793 02:12:28,518 --> 02:12:30,975 until it works the way that you want it. 2794 02:12:30,976 --> 02:12:32,975 BOY: Please don't twist 2795 02:12:32,976 --> 02:12:34,932 BOY 2: Oh, I told you. 2796 02:12:34,933 --> 02:12:36,642 BOY 1: Please don't twist. 2797 02:12:36,643 --> 02:12:37,601 Oh, oh! 2798 02:12:37,602 --> 02:12:39,434 Anyway, it still didn't go over... 2799 02:12:39,434 --> 02:12:41,559 I mean, that's good, though. 2800 02:12:41,559 --> 02:12:43,642 That's good. 2801 02:12:43,643 --> 02:12:45,932 Yeah. Noah. 2802 02:12:45,933 --> 02:12:46,601 Yeah. 2803 02:12:46,601 --> 02:12:47,351 You did best. 2804 02:12:47,352 --> 02:12:48,684 Yeah, I did something. That's so cool. 2805 02:12:48,684 --> 02:12:50,183 MAN: Is it perfect? 2806 02:12:50,184 --> 02:12:51,267 BOY: Yes. Okay. 2807 02:12:51,268 --> 02:12:53,851 (music playing through speakers) 2808 02:12:53,852 --> 02:12:58,268 (engine rumbling) 2809 02:13:00,351 --> 02:13:02,434 (truck pulling up) 2810 02:13:02,434 --> 02:13:04,767 (chattering, music playing distantly) 2811 02:13:04,768 --> 02:13:10,101 (piano playing in distance, chatter echoing) 2812 02:13:15,852 --> 02:13:18,684 MAN: Welcome, everyone, to the celebration 2813 02:13:18,684 --> 02:13:22,142 of the 90th anniversary of the Schomburg Center. 2814 02:13:22,143 --> 02:13:26,932 It really is wonderful to have you all here this evening. 2815 02:13:26,933 --> 02:13:27,768 Thank you. 2816 02:13:27,769 --> 02:13:28,932 Thank you to the Schomburg. 2817 02:13:28,933 --> 02:13:32,932 Thank you for all the amazing work we all do together 2818 02:13:32,933 --> 02:13:35,767 as New Yorkers, as lovers of the library, 2819 02:13:35,768 --> 02:13:38,932 as all of us aspire to a world 2820 02:13:38,933 --> 02:13:42,392 of continued creativity and inspiration 2821 02:13:42,393 --> 02:13:45,725 drawn from the Schomburg and all of the collections 2822 02:13:45,726 --> 02:13:47,475 and work of the library. 2823 02:13:47,476 --> 02:13:49,932 Leading that effort at the Schomburg 2824 02:13:49,933 --> 02:13:54,350 is our amazing director, Khalil Gibran Muhammad. 2825 02:13:54,351 --> 02:13:56,933 (cheers and applause) 2826 02:14:02,059 --> 02:14:02,933 And there he is. 2827 02:14:02,934 --> 02:14:05,517 And he'll tell us more about the important work 2828 02:14:05,518 --> 02:14:07,600 being carried out at the Schomburg 2829 02:14:07,601 --> 02:14:09,600 and the great history of the Schomburg 2830 02:14:09,601 --> 02:14:12,892 as we celebrate the 90th anniversary. 2831 02:14:12,893 --> 02:14:14,100 Over to you, Khalil. 2832 02:14:14,101 --> 02:14:14,933 MUHAMMAD: Thank you. 2833 02:14:14,934 --> 02:14:18,225 I've work with and met some spectacular people 2834 02:14:18,226 --> 02:14:19,932 over the past several years. 2835 02:14:19,933 --> 02:14:23,932 People who are talented, creative, and passionate 2836 02:14:23,933 --> 02:14:24,809 about the Schomburg. 2837 02:14:24,811 --> 02:14:30,932 People whose words make the world kinder and gentler. 2838 02:14:30,933 --> 02:14:34,100 What I took for granted is the importance 2839 02:14:34,101 --> 02:14:38,932 and significance of the public value of what we do. 2840 02:14:38,933 --> 02:14:43,350 Of what our curators, archivists, librarians, 2841 02:14:43,351 --> 02:14:46,892 educators, and all the staff do, 2842 02:14:46,893 --> 02:14:50,016 of what our supporters and donors do. 2843 02:14:50,017 --> 02:14:54,142 We do mind building, soul affirming, 2844 02:14:54,143 --> 02:14:55,932 and surely more than we can ever measure 2845 02:14:55,933 --> 02:15:01,142 or put in an annual report, lifesaving work. 2846 02:15:01,143 --> 02:15:03,932 Toni Morrison once said in this building, 2847 02:15:03,933 --> 02:15:06,684 that libraries are the pillars of our democracy. 2848 02:15:06,684 --> 02:15:11,932 Maya Angelou sat on the Langston Hughes Stage 2849 02:15:11,933 --> 02:15:12,975 of the Schomburg Center 2850 02:15:12,976 --> 02:15:16,892 and called them "Rainbows in the clouds." 2851 02:15:16,893 --> 02:15:20,559 These are not just inspirational metaphors. 2852 02:15:20,559 --> 02:15:22,350 I've seen the lightbulbs turn on 2853 02:15:22,351 --> 02:15:26,932 behind the eyes of a ten-year-old junior scholar. 2854 02:15:26,933 --> 02:15:29,933 I've listened to the octogenarian volunteer 2855 02:15:29,934 --> 02:15:33,434 tell me that, in our building, 2856 02:15:33,434 --> 02:15:37,932 being there helps her keep on keeping on. 2857 02:15:37,933 --> 02:15:39,932 I've greeted hundreds of academics 2858 02:15:39,933 --> 02:15:40,975 in our reading rooms, 2859 02:15:40,976 --> 02:15:43,767 and dozens and dozens of campuses across the nation, 2860 02:15:43,768 --> 02:15:48,600 who said it is hard to imagine what their careers would be, 2861 02:15:48,601 --> 02:15:52,892 but for the rich collections of the Schomburg archives. 2862 02:15:52,893 --> 02:15:56,058 There is nothing in the world more powerful 2863 02:15:56,059 --> 02:16:01,684 than to watch a history maker look back at her own legacy, 2864 02:16:01,684 --> 02:16:03,932 to touch his own past, 2865 02:16:03,933 --> 02:16:07,225 as I observed when Congressman John Lewis 2866 02:16:07,226 --> 02:16:09,225 held in his brave hands 2867 02:16:09,226 --> 02:16:11,932 the second meeting notes of SNCC, 2868 02:16:11,933 --> 02:16:14,932 the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, 2869 02:16:14,933 --> 02:16:16,932 from October of 1960, 2870 02:16:16,933 --> 02:16:19,559 housed in our Ella Baker Archives. 2871 02:16:19,559 --> 02:16:24,975 We should all be so fortunate to make some necessary trouble, 2872 02:16:24,976 --> 02:16:27,933 as Congressman Lewis always says 2873 02:16:27,934 --> 02:16:30,600 of his civil rights past. 2874 02:16:30,601 --> 02:16:33,225 And to have that trouble preserved 2875 02:16:33,226 --> 02:16:36,642 so that future generations will learn, 2876 02:16:36,643 --> 02:16:39,932 and, when necessary, be prepared to do the same. 2877 02:16:39,933 --> 02:16:41,975 It isn't an accident 2878 02:16:41,976 --> 02:16:44,932 that leaders of the NAACP and the Urban League 2879 02:16:44,933 --> 02:16:49,058 appealed to the Carnegie Corporation 90 years ago 2880 02:16:49,058 --> 02:16:51,932 to purchase Arturo Schomburg's collection. 2881 02:16:51,933 --> 02:16:55,558 Or that civil rights researchers turned to our collections 2882 02:16:55,559 --> 02:17:00,558 to argue and build a case for Brown v. Board of Education. 2883 02:17:00,559 --> 02:17:02,558 Their intention and our mission 2884 02:17:02,559 --> 02:17:06,267 remain as relevant and true to this day. 2885 02:17:06,268 --> 02:17:08,558 And through national partnerships 2886 02:17:08,559 --> 02:17:09,932 and digital initiatives, 2887 02:17:09,933 --> 02:17:12,932 we'll reach more people than ever before. 2888 02:17:12,933 --> 02:17:15,767 (chattering, cars driving by) 2889 02:17:15,768 --> 02:17:19,600 (airbrakes releasing) 2890 02:17:19,601 --> 02:17:20,933 How much is the book? 2891 02:17:20,933 --> 02:17:23,808 Ten dollars, autographed copy. 2892 02:17:23,809 --> 02:17:25,932 I'll sign it for you personally. 2893 02:17:25,933 --> 02:17:28,932 (large vehicle backing up) 2894 02:17:28,933 --> 02:17:33,183 (siren blaring intermittently, fire truck horn honking) 2895 02:17:43,809 --> 02:17:45,517 Here we go, we're going to go, 2896 02:17:45,518 --> 02:17:49,932 ♪ Old McDonald had a farm, E-I-E-I-O ♪ 2897 02:17:49,933 --> 02:17:55,100 ♪ And on that farm he had a wife, E-I-E-I-O. ♪ 2898 02:17:55,101 --> 02:17:57,932 ♪ With a kiss, kiss here and a kiss, kiss there ♪ 2899 02:17:57,933 --> 02:18:00,932 ♪ Here a kiss, there a kiss, everywhere a kiss, kiss ♪ 2900 02:18:00,933 --> 02:18:06,267 ♪ Old McDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O ♪ 2901 02:18:06,268 --> 02:18:11,683 ♪ And on that farm he had a dog, E-I-E-I-O ♪ 2902 02:18:11,684 --> 02:18:14,433 ♪ With a woof, woof here and a woof, woof there ♪ 2903 02:18:14,434 --> 02:18:17,642 ♪ Here a woof, there a woof, everywhere a woof, woof ♪ 2904 02:18:17,643 --> 02:18:21,183 (distantly): ♪ Old McDonald had a farm ♪ 2905 02:18:21,183 --> 02:18:24,933 (chattering) 2906 02:18:34,933 --> 02:18:37,933 (chattering) 2907 02:18:42,643 --> 02:18:45,183 (shoes squeaking) 2908 02:18:45,183 --> 02:18:47,683 (chattering) 2909 02:18:47,684 --> 02:18:50,726 (typing on keyboard) 2910 02:18:58,643 --> 02:19:00,643 (typing on keyboard) 2911 02:19:06,893 --> 02:19:07,768 (door slamming) 2912 02:19:07,769 --> 02:19:10,933 (papers rustling) 2913 02:19:24,268 --> 02:19:26,809 (typing on keyboard) 2914 02:19:32,434 --> 02:19:35,932 (distant footsteps) 2915 02:19:35,933 --> 02:19:37,933 (door slamming) 2916 02:19:39,058 --> 02:19:41,933 (footsteps) 2917 02:19:47,559 --> 02:19:49,932 (quiet chatter) 2918 02:19:49,933 --> 02:19:52,267 (distant banging, echoing) 2919 02:19:52,268 --> 02:19:54,267 MAN: On to homeless patrons. 2920 02:19:54,268 --> 02:19:58,975 Everyone recognizes the problem seems to be increasing. 2921 02:19:58,976 --> 02:19:59,933 WOMAN: Yeah. 2922 02:19:59,934 --> 02:20:02,932 Everyone recognizes that the library has a responsibility 2923 02:20:02,933 --> 02:20:06,932 to serve all patrons and to be welcoming, 2924 02:20:06,933 --> 02:20:09,016 but there is sometimes a tension 2925 02:20:09,017 --> 02:20:11,559 between what one kind of patron needs 2926 02:20:11,560 --> 02:20:13,183 and what another kind of patron needs. 2927 02:20:13,184 --> 02:20:16,851 And so lines have to be drawn about, you know, 2928 02:20:16,852 --> 02:20:19,892 how do we accommodate people together 2929 02:20:19,893 --> 02:20:21,767 who may not always want to be together 2930 02:20:21,768 --> 02:20:23,725 and be respectful of everyone. 2931 02:20:23,726 --> 02:20:24,851 And then there was the question 2932 02:20:24,852 --> 02:20:28,434 of what is the appropriate role of the library, 2933 02:20:28,435 --> 02:20:32,183 not just as welcoming space for everyone, 2934 02:20:32,184 --> 02:20:35,308 but, you know, where should we be intervening 2935 02:20:35,309 --> 02:20:38,809 in social policy around the homeless... Right. 2936 02:20:38,810 --> 02:20:42,475 as versus where should we be relying on the city, 2937 02:20:42,476 --> 02:20:43,268 other private agencies 2938 02:20:43,269 --> 02:20:45,892 that are expert and engaged in this 2939 02:20:45,893 --> 02:20:48,392 as we all face this problem. 2940 02:20:48,393 --> 02:20:51,642 WOMAN: We have a policy that talks about 2941 02:20:51,643 --> 02:20:54,975 how users have to comport themselves in the library. 2942 02:20:54,976 --> 02:20:57,932 And so it would embrace most of this conduct, 2943 02:20:57,933 --> 02:20:59,267 and we may have to revisit that. 2944 02:20:59,268 --> 02:21:02,932 I don't know if we want to give more flexibility or less. 2945 02:21:02,933 --> 02:21:04,642 So if you don't do certain things, 2946 02:21:04,643 --> 02:21:06,559 like if you come in and sleep, 2947 02:21:06,560 --> 02:21:08,767 you could literally be asked to leave. 2948 02:21:08,768 --> 02:21:12,350 You aren't allowed to just come into the library and sleep. 2949 02:21:12,351 --> 02:21:13,017 So the barring policy, 2950 02:21:13,018 --> 02:21:15,932 which can lead to your being barred from the library 2951 02:21:15,933 --> 02:21:17,058 for periods of time. 2952 02:21:17,059 --> 02:21:19,517 So that is also part 2953 02:21:19,518 --> 02:21:20,767 of this discussion. 2954 02:21:20,768 --> 02:21:23,100 MAN: I am not an expert at this topic, 2955 02:21:23,101 --> 02:21:24,434 but I've been a New Yorker my whole life, 2956 02:21:24,435 --> 02:21:26,767 and one of the things that you notice is, you know, 2957 02:21:26,768 --> 02:21:30,600 the way in which we who are not homeless 2958 02:21:30,601 --> 02:21:32,600 keep our distance from the homeless. 2959 02:21:32,601 --> 02:21:33,932 And in the libraries is a place 2960 02:21:33,933 --> 02:21:35,809 where we don't keep our distance. 2961 02:21:35,810 --> 02:21:39,392 And I do believe that as much as we need rules, 2962 02:21:39,393 --> 02:21:41,932 and as much as we need institutions, 2963 02:21:41,933 --> 02:21:45,975 in the end we need a change of culture in this town 2964 02:21:45,976 --> 02:21:47,809 that says, you know, 2965 02:21:47,810 --> 02:21:49,308 "There may be people who are scary, 2966 02:21:49,309 --> 02:21:52,932 "but there're all other people who we should just be helping, 2967 02:21:52,933 --> 02:21:55,392 right, as regulars in our neighborhood." 2968 02:21:55,393 --> 02:21:57,559 But you... And I don't know how to do that, right? 2969 02:21:57,560 --> 02:21:59,851 WOMAN: You know, the mayor's made this commitment 2970 02:21:59,852 --> 02:22:03,267 that he's going to deal with the homelessness issue, 2971 02:22:03,268 --> 02:22:05,725 and he's put $100 million toward that goal. 2972 02:22:05,726 --> 02:22:06,809 WOMAN: Right, yeah, no, I know. 2973 02:22:06,810 --> 02:22:10,100 I think that they're developing a plan to be able to do it. 2974 02:22:10,101 --> 02:22:12,976 (chatter echoing) 2975 02:22:14,934 --> 02:22:19,559 (chattering in Spanish) 2976 02:22:19,560 --> 02:22:22,725 DOCENT: And we house in this room three collections. 2977 02:22:22,726 --> 02:22:25,932 The Print Collection, the Photo Collection, 2978 02:22:25,933 --> 02:22:27,392 and the Spencer Collection. 2979 02:22:27,393 --> 02:22:28,017 The Print Collection, 2980 02:22:28,018 --> 02:22:31,933 we have around 300,000 to 250,000 prints. 2981 02:22:31,934 --> 02:22:33,434 And in our Photographic Collection, 2982 02:22:33,435 --> 02:22:35,183 we have a half a million photographs. 2983 02:22:35,184 --> 02:22:37,725 And this present collection that is 2984 02:22:37,726 --> 02:22:39,932 about illustrated books, European manuscripts, 2985 02:22:39,933 --> 02:22:40,643 we have around 15,000. 2986 02:22:40,644 --> 02:22:45,932 We have prints from around the world. 2987 02:22:45,933 --> 02:22:48,350 But here, we have almost, the... 2988 02:22:48,351 --> 02:22:50,892 I can say the history of the European printmaking. 2989 02:22:50,893 --> 02:22:56,142 Everything is started with printmaking around the 1400s. 2990 02:22:56,143 --> 02:22:59,350 There are some samples, early samples from the 1300s, 2991 02:22:59,351 --> 02:23:01,809 but, um, what I decided to do 2992 02:23:01,810 --> 02:23:03,434 is to show you some of the highlights. 2993 02:23:03,435 --> 02:23:06,809 The first print is Albert Dürer, 2994 02:23:06,810 --> 02:23:07,975 and it's called The Rhinoceros. 2995 02:23:07,976 --> 02:23:10,392 Dürer used to sell these outside 2996 02:23:10,393 --> 02:23:13,559 of the Sundays church with his wife. 2997 02:23:13,560 --> 02:23:16,183 This is a kind of newspaper 2998 02:23:16,184 --> 02:23:17,392 from the time, 1515. 2999 02:23:17,393 --> 02:23:23,517 It's telling a story about the king of Portugal 3000 02:23:23,518 --> 02:23:26,932 receiving a rhinoceros. 3001 02:23:26,933 --> 02:23:28,932 In 1515, a rhinoceros, 3002 02:23:28,933 --> 02:23:32,684 the Europeans at that point haven't see a rhinoceros. 3003 02:23:32,685 --> 02:23:35,434 Last time they saw was in the Roman Empire. 3004 02:23:35,435 --> 02:23:40,600 And that rhinoceros arrived to, uh, to Lisbon, 3005 02:23:40,601 --> 02:23:46,058 and after that the King Manuel decided to send this rhinoceros 3006 02:23:46,059 --> 02:23:47,642 to the pope. 3007 02:23:47,643 --> 02:23:48,767 Real thing. 3008 02:23:48,768 --> 02:23:54,809 But when the rhinoceros was going to Rome, 3009 02:23:54,810 --> 02:23:55,851 the ship never arrived. 3010 02:23:55,852 --> 02:23:58,932 There was a very strong storm in the Mediterranean, 3011 02:23:58,933 --> 02:24:01,642 and the rhinoceros die, and there was a wreck. 3012 02:24:01,643 --> 02:24:03,932 Somebody took a note, a sketch. 3013 02:24:03,933 --> 02:24:05,100 Dürer was in Nuremberg, 3014 02:24:05,101 --> 02:24:06,892 and he saw this sketch, 3015 02:24:06,893 --> 02:24:09,684 and he say, "Oh, that's good idea." 3016 02:24:09,685 --> 02:24:10,725 The caption here 3017 02:24:10,726 --> 02:24:13,809 is telling the story of what's happened. 3018 02:24:13,810 --> 02:24:15,058 People were buying these things, 3019 02:24:15,059 --> 02:24:17,434 and what's almost like a today's newspaper. 3020 02:24:17,435 --> 02:24:18,725 They were telling each other. 3021 02:24:18,726 --> 02:24:20,932 Not everybody was able to read. 3022 02:24:20,933 --> 02:24:22,517 Dürer never saw the rhinoceros 3023 02:24:22,518 --> 02:24:23,767 apparently, 3024 02:24:23,768 --> 02:24:27,932 and that kind of plates, that's not really a rhinoceros, 3025 02:24:27,933 --> 02:24:28,726 it looks like, 3026 02:24:28,727 --> 02:24:30,392 but that was one of the popular prints 3027 02:24:30,393 --> 02:24:31,475 about the story of the rhinoceros. 3028 02:24:31,476 --> 02:24:36,932 The next one I'll show you, you know, it's a Rembrandt. 3029 02:24:36,933 --> 02:24:40,932 It's after his wife died, Saskia. 3030 02:24:40,933 --> 02:24:41,726 Before that time, 3031 02:24:41,727 --> 02:24:44,892 he did around 80 self-portraits, 3032 02:24:44,893 --> 02:24:46,809 together with painting and prints. 3033 02:24:46,810 --> 02:24:48,058 This one is after his... 3034 02:24:48,059 --> 02:24:52,809 and you see the print before, he's very joyful, you know, 3035 02:24:52,810 --> 02:24:56,350 wearing fancy clothing, 3036 02:24:56,351 --> 02:25:00,392 but here he's sitting on the window, 3037 02:25:00,393 --> 02:25:05,517 and you see an introspective artist. 3038 02:25:05,518 --> 02:25:06,393 (coughing) 3039 02:25:06,394 --> 02:25:10,932 Some people think that this print 3040 02:25:10,933 --> 02:25:12,267 was one of the steps for, 3041 02:25:12,268 --> 02:25:14,933 some historians tell the one of the steps 3042 02:25:14,934 --> 02:25:18,142 for a new style in Rembrandt's career. 3043 02:25:18,143 --> 02:25:21,476 Come on, big smiles. 3044 02:25:24,518 --> 02:25:26,851 (large vehicle rumbling) 3045 02:25:26,852 --> 02:25:30,225 MAN: 61% of the library's expense funding 3046 02:25:30,226 --> 02:25:31,642 comes from public sources, 3047 02:25:31,643 --> 02:25:33,517 the majority of that from the city. 3048 02:25:33,518 --> 02:25:36,100 It's obvious, we want to engage our elected officials, 3049 02:25:36,101 --> 02:25:37,851 we want to engage our community, 3050 02:25:37,852 --> 02:25:39,475 because we want them to fund us. 3051 02:25:39,476 --> 02:25:41,932 And it brings us financial sustainability. 3052 02:25:41,933 --> 02:25:44,183 My good friend, Councilmember Andy King, 3053 02:25:44,184 --> 02:25:45,809 in the Bronx, he likes to say, 3054 02:25:45,810 --> 02:25:49,016 "People pay attention to people who participate." 3055 02:25:49,017 --> 02:25:51,932 Now, think about that. 3056 02:25:51,933 --> 02:25:52,768 Community boards, 3057 02:25:52,769 --> 02:25:55,559 we're going to community boards, telling our story. 3058 02:25:55,560 --> 02:25:57,642 PB, we're going to PB meetings, 3059 02:25:57,643 --> 02:25:59,932 telling our story, pitching projects. 3060 02:25:59,933 --> 02:26:01,100 If we're not participating, 3061 02:26:01,101 --> 02:26:03,475 people are not going to pay attention to us. 3062 02:26:03,476 --> 02:26:05,892 So civic engagement is important. 3063 02:26:05,893 --> 02:26:08,559 Building deeper relationships, what do we do? 3064 02:26:08,560 --> 02:26:10,183 We're out there trying to improve the lives 3065 02:26:10,184 --> 02:26:13,183 of the people and the communities that we serve. 3066 02:26:13,184 --> 02:26:14,932 We're trying to improve their lives. 3067 02:26:14,933 --> 02:26:17,267 Now, how could we not engage with them? 3068 02:26:17,268 --> 02:26:19,600 How could we not try to build deeper relationships, 3069 02:26:19,601 --> 02:26:21,932 whether it's with an individual in the branch 3070 02:26:21,933 --> 02:26:23,932 or with a community-based organization? 3071 02:26:23,933 --> 02:26:26,933 This is a relationship that we have with our community, 3072 02:26:26,934 --> 02:26:30,183 and we need to build those relationships 3073 02:26:30,184 --> 02:26:31,392 as deeply as we can. 3074 02:26:31,393 --> 02:26:33,725 WOMAN: To me, the biggest practical thing 3075 02:26:33,726 --> 02:26:37,600 to help us about understanding community engagement 3076 02:26:37,601 --> 02:26:39,350 and really helping you guys understand 3077 02:26:39,351 --> 02:26:43,058 is to do away with that feeling of, like, 3078 02:26:43,059 --> 02:26:44,932 "Oh my gosh, another thing. 3079 02:26:44,933 --> 02:26:46,932 Oh my gosh, another thing." 3080 02:26:46,933 --> 02:26:47,810 It's all connected. 3081 02:26:47,811 --> 02:26:51,142 Summer reading is community engagement and advocacy. 3082 02:26:51,143 --> 02:26:54,892 Any program you do is community engagement and advocacy. 3083 02:26:54,893 --> 02:26:57,350 Anytime you bring in an author or an elected. 3084 02:26:57,351 --> 02:26:59,851 Every time you go to a community board, 3085 02:26:59,852 --> 02:27:01,183 a participatory budgeting meeting, 3086 02:27:01,184 --> 02:27:04,933 literally everything we do, because it's for the community 3087 02:27:04,934 --> 02:27:05,768 is community engagement, 3088 02:27:05,769 --> 02:27:08,932 and we really have to maximize those opportunities. 3089 02:27:08,933 --> 02:27:10,267 So what we're hoping is that 3090 02:27:10,268 --> 02:27:12,975 the more we help you understand the big picture 3091 02:27:12,976 --> 02:27:13,933 and connect those dots, 3092 02:27:13,934 --> 02:27:16,684 it's hard to connect the dots here in NYPL right? 3093 02:27:16,685 --> 02:27:18,517 Because you're split up by branch. 3094 02:27:18,518 --> 02:27:19,600 You're split up by network. 3095 02:27:19,601 --> 02:27:20,560 You're split up by borough. 3096 02:27:20,561 --> 02:27:21,933 You're split up by department. 3097 02:27:21,934 --> 02:27:23,142 Some of us are out in the Bronx. 3098 02:27:23,143 --> 02:27:24,975 Some of us are at 39th Street. 3099 02:27:24,976 --> 02:27:26,932 Some of us are never in our offices. 3100 02:27:26,933 --> 02:27:29,183 Some of us are always in our offices, 3101 02:27:29,184 --> 02:27:31,767 but we're all doing the same work 3102 02:27:31,768 --> 02:27:32,726 and so that feeling of, 3103 02:27:32,727 --> 02:27:33,933 "Oh, crap, letter writing is starting, 3104 02:27:33,934 --> 02:27:36,932 "but my summer reading kickoff is starting 3105 02:27:36,933 --> 02:27:39,434 and I have someone out on AL." 3106 02:27:39,435 --> 02:27:41,892 Like, that's the reality of your job, right? 3107 02:27:41,893 --> 02:27:44,725 But the more that we understand the budget cycle, 3108 02:27:44,726 --> 02:27:45,892 the community engagement cycle, 3109 02:27:45,893 --> 02:27:48,809 and the more we understand that it's year-round, 3110 02:27:48,810 --> 02:27:51,642 the better off we are, and the easier the lift feels. 3111 02:27:51,643 --> 02:27:53,517 We did it, we got all this money, 3112 02:27:53,518 --> 02:27:55,932 and now we're having to do the work to support it, 3113 02:27:55,933 --> 02:27:57,932 but it's gonna start again. 3114 02:27:57,933 --> 02:27:58,933 You know? (laughter) 3115 02:27:58,934 --> 02:28:00,058 What does Iris always tell us? 3116 02:28:00,059 --> 02:28:01,100 "The budget wasn't baselined," 3117 02:28:01,101 --> 02:28:02,809 and then we all start to pull out our hair 3118 02:28:02,810 --> 02:28:04,767 and grumble about the page budget, 3119 02:28:04,768 --> 02:28:05,892 and so that's just our work. 3120 02:28:05,893 --> 02:28:07,809 We always have to prove that we're relevant. 3121 02:28:07,810 --> 02:28:10,100 We always have to go back to the drawing board 3122 02:28:10,101 --> 02:28:12,517 and prove that we're relevant every single day, 3123 02:28:12,518 --> 02:28:15,350 every single season, but we are winners. 3124 02:28:15,351 --> 02:28:16,101 All we do is win. 3125 02:28:16,102 --> 02:28:18,434 All those other agencies want to learn from us, 3126 02:28:18,435 --> 02:28:20,016 because we did it, right? 3127 02:28:20,017 --> 02:28:20,933 We're taking the lead. 3128 02:28:20,934 --> 02:28:23,183 We're working with our sister systems 3129 02:28:23,184 --> 02:28:24,932 in Brooklyn and Queens, 3130 02:28:24,933 --> 02:28:27,142 but we're taking the lead, you guys. 3131 02:28:27,143 --> 02:28:28,975 And that is all you. 3132 02:28:28,976 --> 02:28:31,684 (chattering) 3133 02:28:31,685 --> 02:28:35,435 (cars driving by) 3134 02:28:45,184 --> 02:28:47,183 MAN: Susan, there was a little pop 3135 02:28:47,184 --> 02:28:48,225 of this light. 3136 02:28:48,226 --> 02:28:50,142 It's very subtle, early on. 3137 02:28:50,143 --> 02:28:50,934 I heard it back. 3138 02:28:50,935 --> 02:28:52,225 I think I can get it, 3139 02:28:52,226 --> 02:28:54,392 I can get it in post, yeah. 3140 02:28:54,393 --> 02:28:56,225 It was pretty faint. 3141 02:28:56,226 --> 02:28:58,101 All right, stand by. 3142 02:28:58,893 --> 02:29:01,142 "Presently he came back with the telephone directory, 3143 02:29:01,143 --> 02:29:04,767 "holding it like a bible, smiling tenderly. 3144 02:29:04,768 --> 02:29:08,600 "And while he was gazing at her long drooping lashes, 3145 02:29:08,601 --> 02:29:09,601 "Margot sped through the R's 3146 02:29:09,602 --> 02:29:13,517 "and found Albinus's address and his telephone number. 3147 02:29:13,518 --> 02:29:17,851 "Then she quietly closed the well-thumbed blue volume. 3148 02:29:17,852 --> 02:29:22,392 "'Take off your coat, ' murmured Albinus. 3149 02:29:22,393 --> 02:29:23,725 "Without bothering to stand up, 3150 02:29:23,726 --> 02:29:25,642 "she began to wriggle out of the sleeves, 3151 02:29:25,643 --> 02:29:28,100 "inclining her pretty neck and thrusting forward 3152 02:29:28,101 --> 02:29:31,267 "first the right and then the left shoulder. 3153 02:29:31,268 --> 02:29:35,517 "As Albinus helped her, he caught a hot whiff of violets 3154 02:29:35,518 --> 02:29:37,809 "and saw her shoulder blades move, 3155 02:29:37,810 --> 02:29:39,767 "and the sallow skin between them 3156 02:29:39,768 --> 02:29:42,851 "ripple and smooth out again. 3157 02:29:42,852 --> 02:29:44,350 "Then she took off her hat, 3158 02:29:44,351 --> 02:29:46,684 "peered into her pocket mirror 3159 02:29:46,685 --> 02:29:47,932 "and, wetting her forefinger, 3160 02:29:47,933 --> 02:29:49,933 tapped the black lovelocks on her temples." 3161 02:29:49,934 --> 02:29:52,809 Uh, let's take that pocket mirror. 3162 02:29:52,810 --> 02:29:54,975 MAN: Mm-hmm. 3163 02:29:54,976 --> 02:29:56,725 "Then she took off her hat, 3164 02:29:56,726 --> 02:29:58,684 "peered into her pocket mirror, 3165 02:29:58,685 --> 02:29:59,975 "and, wetting her forefinger, 3166 02:29:59,976 --> 02:30:02,809 "tapped the black lovelocks on her temples. 3167 02:30:02,810 --> 02:30:04,559 "Albinus sat down beside her 3168 02:30:04,560 --> 02:30:06,434 "and looked and looked at that face 3169 02:30:06,435 --> 02:30:09,517 "in which everything was so charming... 3170 02:30:09,518 --> 02:30:10,559 "the burning cheeks, 3171 02:30:10,560 --> 02:30:13,350 "the lips glistening from the cherry brandy, 3172 02:30:13,351 --> 02:30:17,392 "the childish solemnity, the long hazel eyes, 3173 02:30:17,393 --> 02:30:18,559 "and the small, downy mole 3174 02:30:18,560 --> 02:30:22,767 "on the soft curve just beneath the left one. 3175 02:30:22,768 --> 02:30:26,183 "'If I knew, I should hang for it, ' he thought, 3176 02:30:26,184 --> 02:30:29,642 "'I would still look at her.' 3177 02:30:29,643 --> 02:30:32,809 "Even that vulgar Berlin slang of hers 3178 02:30:32,810 --> 02:30:34,932 "only enhanced the charm of her throaty voice 3179 02:30:34,933 --> 02:30:37,932 "and large white teeth. 3180 02:30:37,933 --> 02:30:39,932 "When laughing, she half closed her eyes, 3181 02:30:39,933 --> 02:30:42,350 "and a dimple danced on her cheek. 3182 02:30:42,351 --> 02:30:47,350 "He pawed at her little hand, but she withdrew it briskly. 3183 02:30:47,351 --> 02:30:51,100 "'You're driving me crazy, ' he said. 3184 02:30:51,101 --> 02:30:53,475 "Margot patted his cuff and said, 3185 02:30:53,476 --> 02:30:56,600 "'Now be a good boy.' 3186 02:30:56,601 --> 02:30:58,559 "His first thought next morning was: 3187 02:30:58,560 --> 02:31:02,559 "it can't go on like this, it just can't. 3188 02:31:02,560 --> 02:31:04,975 "I must get her a room. 3189 02:31:04,976 --> 02:31:06,517 "Curse that aunt. 3190 02:31:06,518 --> 02:31:09,392 "We shall be alone, quite alone. 3191 02:31:09,393 --> 02:31:12,475 "A textbook of love for beginners. 3192 02:31:12,476 --> 02:31:14,932 "Oh, the things I shall teach her. 3193 02:31:14,933 --> 02:31:19,267 "So young, so pure, so maddening. 3194 02:31:19,268 --> 02:31:21,725 "'Are you asleep?' 3195 02:31:21,726 --> 02:31:23,600 "asked Elisabeth softly. 3196 02:31:23,601 --> 02:31:27,350 "He achieved the perfect yawn and opened his eyes. 3197 02:31:27,351 --> 02:31:30,725 Elisabeth was seated in a pale blue nightgown." 3198 02:31:30,726 --> 02:31:33,932 (chattering) 3199 02:31:33,933 --> 02:31:36,933 (clattering) 3200 02:32:04,685 --> 02:32:08,892 (distant chattering) 3201 02:32:08,893 --> 02:32:11,809 (bike wheels spinning) 3202 02:32:11,810 --> 02:32:15,017 (cars driving by, horn honking) 3203 02:32:17,351 --> 02:32:19,809 (cars driving by) 3204 02:32:19,810 --> 02:32:22,932 One, two, three, four, okay. 3205 02:32:22,933 --> 02:32:25,183 And these you're going to return also? 3206 02:32:25,184 --> 02:32:27,643 Return these. Okay. 3207 02:32:27,933 --> 02:32:30,975 (barcode scanner beeps, returned materials shuffling) 3208 02:32:30,976 --> 02:32:32,600 CLERK: Hello. 3209 02:32:32,601 --> 02:32:34,183 (barcode scanner beeps) 3210 02:32:34,184 --> 02:32:35,308 CLERK 2: 25 cents. 3211 02:32:35,309 --> 02:32:38,475 (footsteps, door closes) 3212 02:32:38,476 --> 02:32:40,892 CLERK 1: Hello. 3213 02:32:40,893 --> 02:32:43,684 (barcode scanner beeping) 3214 02:32:43,685 --> 02:32:46,933 (footsteps grow distant) 3215 02:32:49,143 --> 02:32:51,809 (barcode scanner beeping) 3216 02:32:51,810 --> 02:32:53,810 (coughing in distance) 3217 02:33:05,143 --> 02:33:07,932 (chair squeaking) 3218 02:33:07,933 --> 02:33:12,184 (barcode scanner beeping quietly) 3219 02:33:24,601 --> 02:33:26,767 WOMAN: Harney thinks that 3220 02:33:26,768 --> 02:33:29,142 if in America the conflict between capital and labor 3221 02:33:29,143 --> 02:33:31,975 is not resolved through a social revolution, 3222 02:33:31,976 --> 02:33:36,058 that what you will end up with in the United States 3223 02:33:36,059 --> 02:33:38,642 is essentially the same class-conflict-ridden 3224 02:33:38,643 --> 02:33:40,308 European situation, 3225 02:33:40,309 --> 02:33:42,932 and, like, we've seen, 3226 02:33:42,933 --> 02:33:46,058 the Americans still think by the 1840s 3227 02:33:46,059 --> 02:33:47,932 that there is such a possibility 3228 02:33:47,933 --> 02:33:50,851 as an alternative future for American capitalism. 3229 02:33:50,852 --> 02:33:54,100 That capital and labor don't have to be at odds. 3230 02:33:54,101 --> 02:33:55,932 That the variable of land 3231 02:33:55,933 --> 02:33:58,975 shows this third way out of this conflict, 3232 02:33:58,976 --> 02:34:02,016 and yet, here is Harney saying, "No, listen." 3233 02:34:02,017 --> 02:34:03,767 "Already this is a problem 3234 02:34:03,768 --> 02:34:05,225 in the United States." 3235 02:34:05,226 --> 02:34:06,932 That famous quote that Marx has is 3236 02:34:06,933 --> 02:34:08,932 that labor cannot be free 3237 02:34:08,933 --> 02:34:11,475 where it's branded in black skin. 3238 02:34:11,476 --> 02:34:14,892 This is specifically in the United States. 3239 02:34:14,893 --> 02:34:18,600 The key here is that Marx is saying, 3240 02:34:18,601 --> 02:34:22,932 if capitalists have the availability 3241 02:34:22,933 --> 02:34:26,932 of both slave labor and free labor, 3242 02:34:26,933 --> 02:34:29,142 free labor can always be undermined, 3243 02:34:29,143 --> 02:34:30,308 and, in fact, it was. 3244 02:34:30,309 --> 02:34:32,932 Because Northerners already were catching up 3245 02:34:32,933 --> 02:34:34,559 to the fact that, you know, 3246 02:34:34,560 --> 02:34:38,932 "There's some black unskilled laborers here in the North, 3247 02:34:38,933 --> 02:34:40,932 "and whenever these workers 3248 02:34:40,933 --> 02:34:42,851 "start striking or demanding things, 3249 02:34:42,851 --> 02:34:47,559 we can just introduce these unskilled people." 3250 02:34:47,560 --> 02:34:50,183 It's just the same principle. 3251 02:34:50,184 --> 02:34:51,600 So Marx is writing, saying, 3252 02:34:51,601 --> 02:34:53,932 look, this is a problem that must be rid of 3253 02:34:53,933 --> 02:34:56,308 if you even want to have a development 3254 02:34:56,309 --> 02:35:00,851 of the political workingman politics in America. 3255 02:35:00,851 --> 02:35:03,725 But, secondly, and this is the deeper argument, 3256 02:35:03,726 --> 02:35:06,183 which I think is quite important today... 3257 02:35:06,184 --> 02:35:11,932 There is a very, very, virulent critique 3258 02:35:11,933 --> 02:35:15,851 of bourgeois society by Southern ideologues 3259 02:35:15,851 --> 02:35:19,308 that would have been getting quite a hearing in the 1840s. 3260 02:35:19,309 --> 02:35:22,642 We know because people like Eric Foner have written about 3261 02:35:22,643 --> 02:35:28,225 how Abraham Lincoln read this stuff pretty regularly 3262 02:35:28,226 --> 02:35:32,350 in the Richmond Inquirer and all of these other publications, 3263 02:35:32,351 --> 02:35:34,725 the Southern ideologues would write to. 3264 02:35:34,726 --> 02:35:37,517 George Fitzhugh, I think I mentioned him last time. 3265 02:35:37,518 --> 02:35:41,932 He's this well-known first American sociologist. 3266 02:35:41,933 --> 02:35:43,267 He's a Southern ideologue. 3267 02:35:43,268 --> 02:35:46,932 He believes that slave society 3268 02:35:46,933 --> 02:35:51,434 is better than a free laboring society. 3269 02:35:51,435 --> 02:35:53,142 Why? He's got an argument. 3270 02:35:53,143 --> 02:35:55,100 It's coherent, and there's a logic. 3271 02:35:55,101 --> 02:35:56,267 Here it is. 3272 02:35:56,268 --> 02:35:57,932 Throughout human history, 3273 02:35:57,933 --> 02:36:00,932 we've always had people who were unfree, 3274 02:36:00,933 --> 02:36:03,142 in order for some to have the liberty 3275 02:36:03,143 --> 02:36:08,350 to think and to act and to engage in politics. 3276 02:36:08,351 --> 02:36:11,767 Throughout time this has been the case. 3277 02:36:11,768 --> 02:36:12,892 Why all of a sudden 3278 02:36:12,893 --> 02:36:16,517 does bourgeois society promise something it cannot accomplish, 3279 02:36:16,518 --> 02:36:18,933 which is the idea that all can participate 3280 02:36:18,934 --> 02:36:20,517 in political activity? 3281 02:36:20,518 --> 02:36:24,142 This is the lie that modern society has. 3282 02:36:24,143 --> 02:36:25,183 That's the problem. 3283 02:36:25,184 --> 02:36:27,183 It's not that there's this class conflict, 3284 02:36:27,184 --> 02:36:30,308 and that you have these people who are demanding things... no. 3285 02:36:30,309 --> 02:36:32,058 You've already lied to them. 3286 02:36:32,059 --> 02:36:35,642 The problem is that what you want isn't possible. 3287 02:36:35,643 --> 02:36:42,101 The idea of a free society is a failure. 3288 02:36:43,893 --> 02:36:45,267 That's a quote. 3289 02:36:45,268 --> 02:36:52,809 He writes this book called Slaves Without Masters, 3290 02:36:52,810 --> 02:36:55,768 that essentially... 3291 02:36:56,726 --> 02:36:58,392 Slaves Without Masters is the idea 3292 02:36:58,393 --> 02:37:00,767 of the Northern workingmen for Fitzhugh. 3293 02:37:00,768 --> 02:37:04,559 He says, "Look what happens when slaves have no masters. 3294 02:37:04,560 --> 02:37:06,809 "No one takes care of them. 3295 02:37:06,810 --> 02:37:08,100 "No one feeds them. 3296 02:37:08,101 --> 02:37:10,308 "No one clothes them. 3297 02:37:10,309 --> 02:37:14,932 "We in Southern society have figured out the remedy 3298 02:37:14,933 --> 02:37:17,725 to the conflict of capital and labor." 3299 02:37:17,726 --> 02:37:19,517 And, again, it's articulated in this way. 3300 02:37:19,518 --> 02:37:22,058 John C. Calhoun, also a Southern ideologue, 3301 02:37:22,059 --> 02:37:23,809 same way of thinking about it. 3302 02:37:23,810 --> 02:37:26,725 The problem of capital and labor in America 3303 02:37:26,726 --> 02:37:30,016 is mitigated not by land, they say, 3304 02:37:30,017 --> 02:37:31,725 but by slavery. 3305 02:37:31,726 --> 02:37:35,932 Richard Hofstadter, one of the famous American historians, 3306 02:37:35,933 --> 02:37:38,350 writes a short essay in his very famous book, 3307 02:37:38,351 --> 02:37:40,684 The American Political Tradition, 3308 02:37:40,685 --> 02:37:41,932 that compares Fitzhugh. 3309 02:37:41,933 --> 02:37:47,475 He puts "Fitzhugh, the marks of the planter class." 3310 02:37:47,476 --> 02:37:51,475 And what he means by that is that you have here 3311 02:37:51,476 --> 02:37:55,684 a critique of modern bourgeois society. 3312 02:37:55,685 --> 02:37:56,932 You have a critique of labor. 3313 02:37:56,933 --> 02:38:02,392 You have a critique of this supposedly free society, 3314 02:38:02,393 --> 02:38:04,642 but you have a critique from the right. 3315 02:38:04,643 --> 02:38:08,517 One, that as Marx says, "The working people knew," 3316 02:38:08,518 --> 02:38:10,932 this is in his address, and I'm just going to quote it, 3317 02:38:10,933 --> 02:38:11,975 because I know it off the top of my head. 3318 02:38:11,976 --> 02:38:15,932 This is in the address that Marx writes to Lincoln. 3319 02:38:15,933 --> 02:38:16,685 This is the... 3320 02:38:16,686 --> 02:38:19,642 on behalf of the International Workingmen's Association, 3321 02:38:19,643 --> 02:38:21,517 Marx writes a letter to Lincoln. 3322 02:38:21,518 --> 02:38:24,058 And he says, "The workingmen knew, 3323 02:38:24,059 --> 02:38:28,350 "the workingmen knew that when slavery was proposed 3324 02:38:28,351 --> 02:38:32,058 "as the solution to capital and labor, 3325 02:38:32,059 --> 02:38:37,809 "they knew that all of their hard-earned historical gains 3326 02:38:37,810 --> 02:38:40,267 were in jeopardy." 3327 02:38:40,268 --> 02:38:43,975 So, why Marx was supportive of the Republicans, 3328 02:38:43,976 --> 02:38:46,267 because Marx knew 3329 02:38:46,268 --> 02:38:52,892 that the attack of bourgeois society from the right 3330 02:38:52,893 --> 02:38:55,932 was also an attack on any possibility 3331 02:38:55,933 --> 02:38:58,016 of a workers' revolution. 3332 02:38:58,017 --> 02:39:02,225 Because the workers' revolution, insofar as Marx was concerned, 3333 02:39:02,226 --> 02:39:07,350 was a legacy from the revolutions of 1848. 3334 02:39:07,351 --> 02:39:08,143 It was a task. 3335 02:39:08,144 --> 02:39:10,725 It was something that was received. 3336 02:39:10,726 --> 02:39:12,267 So in this sense, what we have 3337 02:39:12,268 --> 02:39:14,932 is many different responses, essentially, 3338 02:39:14,933 --> 02:39:16,932 to the crisis of the 19th century, right? 3339 02:39:16,933 --> 02:39:17,933 If one end is Karl Marx 3340 02:39:17,934 --> 02:39:20,851 and the other end is Fitzhugh, 3341 02:39:20,851 --> 02:39:23,350 in the middle, and closer to Marx, certainly, 3342 02:39:23,351 --> 02:39:24,392 than Fitzhugh 3343 02:39:24,393 --> 02:39:25,851 is Lincoln. 3344 02:39:25,851 --> 02:39:26,932 Lincoln says, 3345 02:39:26,933 --> 02:39:31,601 "The free society is not and will not be a failure." 3346 02:39:33,101 --> 02:39:36,559 That Lincoln and Marx agree on. 3347 02:39:36,560 --> 02:39:41,892 The definition of that free society, they disagree on. 3348 02:39:41,893 --> 02:39:43,559 Those two groups of people, 3349 02:39:43,560 --> 02:39:48,183 the liberals and the more radical, socialist types, 3350 02:39:48,184 --> 02:39:52,932 have so much more in common than slave planters 3351 02:39:52,933 --> 02:39:57,559 who are arguing that bourgeois society is a lie. 3352 02:39:57,560 --> 02:40:00,933 (marching band playing) 3353 02:40:00,934 --> 02:40:07,308 (chattering) 3354 02:40:07,309 --> 02:40:11,350 CROWD MEMBER: It's been good for him. 3355 02:40:11,351 --> 02:40:14,267 I mean, I don't get the... 3356 02:40:14,268 --> 02:40:17,058 (music continues) 3357 02:40:17,059 --> 02:40:19,933 (whistling) 3358 02:40:26,810 --> 02:40:32,932 (marching band playing "Thriller" by Michael Jackson) 3359 02:40:32,933 --> 02:40:36,351 (crowd cheering) 3360 02:40:48,851 --> 02:40:51,932 MAN: Let's hear it, New York! 3361 02:40:51,933 --> 02:40:55,767 (cheers) 3362 02:40:55,768 --> 02:41:01,933 ("Thriller" continues) 3363 02:41:15,933 --> 02:41:21,933 ("Thriller" continues) 3364 02:41:31,393 --> 02:41:34,434 (cars driving by) 3365 02:41:34,435 --> 02:41:36,392 (chattering) 3366 02:41:36,393 --> 02:41:38,932 PATTI SMITH: Genet took these very marginalized people, 3367 02:41:38,933 --> 02:41:45,350 and pimps and thieves and murderers 3368 02:41:45,351 --> 02:41:46,809 and elevated them 3369 02:41:46,810 --> 02:41:48,975 within his pantheon as saints. 3370 02:41:48,976 --> 02:41:54,016 The Thief's Journal is my favorite book of Genet, 3371 02:41:54,017 --> 02:41:56,100 but why I love The Thief's Journal 3372 02:41:56,101 --> 02:41:59,308 isn't necessarily because of those things. 3373 02:41:59,309 --> 02:42:00,017 Yeah. 3374 02:42:00,018 --> 02:42:05,932 I love it because he takes, 3375 02:42:05,933 --> 02:42:08,434 he writes my kind of memoir. 3376 02:42:08,435 --> 02:42:12,684 It's a memoir, yet it's completely true 3377 02:42:12,685 --> 02:42:15,932 and simultaneously completely false. 3378 02:42:15,933 --> 02:42:19,809 Because that's the kind of guy Genet was. 3379 02:42:19,810 --> 02:42:20,933 But when I say false, 3380 02:42:20,934 --> 02:42:27,100 I mean, that's the part that he transforms truth into art. 3381 02:42:27,101 --> 02:42:28,600 He elevates it as poetry. 3382 02:42:28,601 --> 02:42:32,142 And in this way it's close to what Anselm Kiefer says. 3383 02:42:32,143 --> 02:42:35,642 Yes, and I think that, you know, 3384 02:42:35,643 --> 02:42:37,684 I don't even like reading memoirs. 3385 02:42:37,685 --> 02:42:39,725 People say, "What's your favorite memoirist? 3386 02:42:39,726 --> 02:42:41,809 Whose memoirs do you like?" 3387 02:42:41,810 --> 02:42:43,684 I hardly ever read them. 3388 02:42:43,685 --> 02:42:45,308 I like fiction, really. 3389 02:42:45,309 --> 02:42:48,933 Really strange that I should be writing nonfiction, 3390 02:42:48,934 --> 02:42:50,684 but it just happened. 3391 02:42:50,685 --> 02:42:53,892 But, um... but that's the kind of, 3392 02:42:53,893 --> 02:42:57,392 I was thinking of it and writing this. 3393 02:42:57,393 --> 02:43:00,517 I didn't want to just sit and write an autobiography. 3394 02:43:00,518 --> 02:43:03,684 I wanted to, you know... And you don't. 3395 02:43:03,685 --> 02:43:05,559 just write about real time, 3396 02:43:05,560 --> 02:43:08,475 which I am living, and the things that are, 3397 02:43:08,476 --> 02:43:10,475 they're the truth of my real time. 3398 02:43:10,476 --> 02:43:12,932 But what is the truth of our real time? 3399 02:43:12,933 --> 02:43:14,434 It contains dreams. 3400 02:43:14,435 --> 02:43:17,767 It contains, you know, spinning off. 3401 02:43:17,768 --> 02:43:21,932 It contains, uh, uh, misinterpretation. 3402 02:43:21,933 --> 02:43:23,642 It contains memory. 3403 02:43:23,643 --> 02:43:29,517 So I was very interested in finding a way 3404 02:43:29,518 --> 02:43:35,393 to braid all of these things together. 3405 02:43:37,268 --> 02:43:39,685 (truck backing up, siren blaring) 3406 02:43:46,143 --> 02:43:49,393 (siren blaring) 3407 02:43:52,268 --> 02:43:53,933 (honking) 3408 02:43:55,933 --> 02:43:58,600 (siren continues blaring) 3409 02:43:58,601 --> 02:44:03,767 (fire truck honking in distance) 3410 02:44:03,768 --> 02:44:05,932 (chattering) 3411 02:44:05,933 --> 02:44:08,932 OLIVA: I'm Gerry Oliva, Director of Facilities. 3412 02:44:08,933 --> 02:44:11,308 In the spirit of getting things done, 3413 02:44:11,309 --> 02:44:14,183 Iris actually has been generous the last two years, 3414 02:44:14,184 --> 02:44:17,058 to set up a fund called Fix It Now, 3415 02:44:17,059 --> 02:44:21,932 which sets aside a pot of money for us to take care of items 3416 02:44:21,933 --> 02:44:24,100 that are non-capitally eligible. 3417 02:44:24,101 --> 02:44:26,517 So these can range anything from, you know, 3418 02:44:26,518 --> 02:44:28,517 doing a paint job, replacing doors, 3419 02:44:28,518 --> 02:44:30,725 whatever we need to do in the branches 3420 02:44:30,726 --> 02:44:32,932 to keep things functional so that they look good. 3421 02:44:32,933 --> 02:44:36,932 In FY15, we actually completed 25 projects 3422 02:44:36,933 --> 02:44:38,058 totaling almost a million dollars. 3423 02:44:38,059 --> 02:44:41,308 In fiscal year '16, working with Sites and Services, 3424 02:44:41,309 --> 02:44:46,932 we've identified over 260 projects that need to be done. 3425 02:44:46,933 --> 02:44:47,975 70 of those 3426 02:44:47,976 --> 02:44:50,308 are priority one projects. 3427 02:44:50,309 --> 02:44:52,892 We completed seven projects to date 3428 02:44:52,893 --> 02:44:55,308 and spent a little bit over $249,000. 3429 02:44:55,309 --> 02:44:58,183 The projects currently are, 3430 02:44:58,184 --> 02:45:00,434 at Inwood, we did new flooring; 3431 02:45:00,435 --> 02:45:02,851 Cathedral, we did a complete refresh; 3432 02:45:02,851 --> 02:45:03,476 Battery Park City, 3433 02:45:03,476 --> 02:45:06,767 we did a glass-enclosed multipurpose room; 3434 02:45:06,768 --> 02:45:08,434 Hamilton Grange, a new boiler; 3435 02:45:08,435 --> 02:45:10,932 Pelham Bay, new flooring and paint; 3436 02:45:10,933 --> 02:45:12,932 St. George, new computer table; 3437 02:45:12,933 --> 02:45:16,767 and we have 11 additional projects in place. 3438 02:45:16,768 --> 02:45:19,975 We'll continue to work with Sites and Services 3439 02:45:19,976 --> 02:45:23,225 to reprioritize projects as necessary 3440 02:45:23,226 --> 02:45:25,100 and to add projects to the list. 3441 02:45:25,101 --> 02:45:26,267 And as long as 3442 02:45:26,268 --> 02:45:27,143 we have the funding, 3443 02:45:27,144 --> 02:45:28,933 we'll spend it and get it done. 3444 02:45:28,934 --> 02:45:34,559 (distant calling) 3445 02:45:34,560 --> 02:45:36,932 (echoing chatter) 3446 02:45:36,933 --> 02:45:39,267 How can we help circulation? 3447 02:45:39,268 --> 02:45:40,932 Where can we add to it? 3448 02:45:40,933 --> 02:45:42,892 Where would we find an enhancement? 3449 02:45:42,893 --> 02:45:45,767 Um, and Melissa rightfully pointed out 3450 02:45:45,768 --> 02:45:47,932 that in the ebook category, 3451 02:45:47,933 --> 02:45:51,767 the waits are enormous to get our ebooks, 3452 02:45:51,768 --> 02:45:53,975 particularly the popular novels. 3453 02:45:53,976 --> 02:45:54,933 Um, and so... 3454 02:45:54,934 --> 02:45:57,058 MAN: More so than in-print books? 3455 02:45:57,059 --> 02:45:58,642 More, yes, yes. 3456 02:45:58,643 --> 02:46:00,851 The backlog is, she said, 3457 02:46:00,851 --> 02:46:03,058 I think almost like four or five months to get. 3458 02:46:03,059 --> 02:46:04,434 WOMAN: Yes, it's terrible. 3459 02:46:04,435 --> 02:46:05,017 It's terrible. 3460 02:46:05,018 --> 02:46:07,851 If one of the ways you want to spend these funds, 3461 02:46:07,851 --> 02:46:08,932 which has to be in accord 3462 02:46:08,933 --> 02:46:10,932 both what we need to do... And... 3463 02:46:10,933 --> 02:46:14,100 and what the city wants us to do with the city's money, 3464 02:46:14,101 --> 02:46:16,932 um, I'd like to see the analysis 3465 02:46:16,933 --> 02:46:20,016 of ebook borrowing, physical borrowing, 3466 02:46:20,017 --> 02:46:22,016 and whether more money in... 3467 02:46:22,017 --> 02:46:23,932 you know, what the bang for the buck is, 3468 02:46:23,933 --> 02:46:26,100 and more money into either of those. 3469 02:46:26,101 --> 02:46:27,851 WOMAN: Ebooks are growing 3470 02:46:27,851 --> 02:46:28,932 at about 300% of circulation, 3471 02:46:28,933 --> 02:46:31,350 and we know that circ in our libraries, 3472 02:46:31,351 --> 02:46:34,932 physical circ is not growing at 300%. 3473 02:46:34,933 --> 02:46:36,058 And that the waits, 3474 02:46:36,059 --> 02:46:38,517 the wait time because of the licensing terms 3475 02:46:38,518 --> 02:46:43,350 is much longer for ebooks than physical... 3476 02:46:43,351 --> 02:46:45,851 We... I mean, we can definitely show you the data, 3477 02:46:45,851 --> 02:46:48,809 but it's very concrete that that's the issue. 3478 02:46:48,810 --> 02:46:51,475 And because we're going out with SimplyE 3479 02:46:51,476 --> 02:46:54,684 in, I think, early November now, 3480 02:46:54,685 --> 02:46:57,308 adding in more collections into ebooks 3481 02:46:57,309 --> 02:46:59,767 will drive numbers up hugely, we believe. 3482 02:46:59,768 --> 02:47:00,932 MAN: Well, we'll meet demand, usually, 3483 02:47:00,933 --> 02:47:01,975 because you can flick a switch. 3484 02:47:01,976 --> 02:47:07,267 And the analysis we did on educators and grade levels, 3485 02:47:07,268 --> 02:47:10,058 we actually believe that we can be very specific 3486 02:47:10,059 --> 02:47:10,933 about what we target 3487 02:47:10,934 --> 02:47:12,892 in terms of which ebooks we go after. 3488 02:47:12,893 --> 02:47:15,392 So we're not just going to buy, you know, 3489 02:47:15,393 --> 02:47:16,932 whatever is on the street. 3490 02:47:16,933 --> 02:47:20,058 We're actually, we're actually very carefully looking 3491 02:47:20,059 --> 02:47:21,142 at where we can make it... 3492 02:47:21,143 --> 02:47:23,642 So the big decision there, so I'm mindful of this, 3493 02:47:23,643 --> 02:47:26,350 because the conversations I've started to have... 3494 02:47:26,351 --> 02:47:29,058 Yes, this is huge. Licensing deals we made, 3495 02:47:29,059 --> 02:47:32,350 which were great and historic four years ago 3496 02:47:32,351 --> 02:47:33,932 favored the thick end of distribution, right? 3497 02:47:33,933 --> 02:47:36,725 So we got permission for the first time 3498 02:47:36,726 --> 02:47:39,684 to buy licenses for books, 3499 02:47:39,685 --> 02:47:41,725 but they have to be borrowed enough 3500 02:47:41,726 --> 02:47:44,475 to justify paying for a full license, 3501 02:47:44,476 --> 02:47:47,100 whether it's 52 lends, two years, perpetual, 3502 02:47:47,101 --> 02:47:50,058 whatever, different terms, different deals. 3503 02:47:50,059 --> 02:47:52,058 And that's why it's gone up 300% 3504 02:47:52,059 --> 02:47:55,642 and why the other libraries in the country have benefited, 3505 02:47:55,643 --> 02:47:56,309 which is great. 3506 02:47:56,310 --> 02:47:58,684 Now I'm going back to the publishers and saying, 3507 02:47:58,685 --> 02:48:02,308 "Let's get to the rest of the tail, right?" 3508 02:48:02,309 --> 02:48:03,392 Let's get free previews. 3509 02:48:03,393 --> 02:48:06,058 Let's get metered rate, so that it's... 3510 02:48:06,059 --> 02:48:10,975 so that we can offer in effect, a universal e-catalog. 3511 02:48:10,976 --> 02:48:13,809 The question will still be, though, 3512 02:48:13,810 --> 02:48:15,267 if you imagine a future in which we... 3513 02:48:15,268 --> 02:48:19,016 everything is potentially borrowable, electronically, 3514 02:48:19,017 --> 02:48:21,058 for those who want to, 3515 02:48:21,059 --> 02:48:22,100 we'll still have to decide 3516 02:48:22,101 --> 02:48:26,932 whether we want to put money into metered rates 3517 02:48:26,933 --> 02:48:30,932 for, you know, a book that doesn't circulate hugely 3518 02:48:30,933 --> 02:48:33,392 or more for the best sellers, 3519 02:48:33,393 --> 02:48:34,434 and partly that's demand, 3520 02:48:34,435 --> 02:48:37,684 and it's partly what's the right thing for us to do? 3521 02:48:37,685 --> 02:48:38,226 Right? 3522 02:48:38,226 --> 02:48:39,059 So we'll still have to decide. 3523 02:48:39,060 --> 02:48:41,932 WOMAN: So that e-content, licensing purchase content strategy, 3524 02:48:41,933 --> 02:48:43,932 that's what Mike has been talking 3525 02:48:43,933 --> 02:48:47,142 to Melissa and Christopher about... 3526 02:48:47,143 --> 02:48:50,100 to help you work through those negotiations. 3527 02:48:50,101 --> 02:48:53,892 So I guess, I understand the temptation of electronic, 3528 02:48:53,893 --> 02:48:57,975 because if things go as we hope they are, 3529 02:48:57,976 --> 02:49:02,809 our... the opportunity there is about to expand, 3530 02:49:02,810 --> 02:49:05,434 if the deals that we're trying to negotiate work. 3531 02:49:05,435 --> 02:49:09,725 And demand is clearly expanded more than supply, 3532 02:49:09,726 --> 02:49:12,932 though I would like to see those numbers. 3533 02:49:12,933 --> 02:49:14,642 But let's go back and say, you know, 3534 02:49:14,643 --> 02:49:17,559 we also are concerned that we hadn't been able... 3535 02:49:17,560 --> 02:49:21,642 Because of budget cuts from the city and more generally... 3536 02:49:21,643 --> 02:49:24,559 We hadn't been able to do as much increase 3537 02:49:24,560 --> 02:49:27,809 of physical book purchasing 3538 02:49:27,810 --> 02:49:31,225 for circulating and for the research library, 3539 02:49:31,226 --> 02:49:33,308 and so how does one decide 3540 02:49:33,309 --> 02:49:38,183 between "e-" and then physical circulating 3541 02:49:38,184 --> 02:49:40,932 and physical research collections? 3542 02:49:40,933 --> 02:49:43,725 We looked at what's circulating and what's not circulating 3543 02:49:43,726 --> 02:49:44,767 in terms of physical books, 3544 02:49:44,768 --> 02:49:46,642 and we have some analysis of that. 3545 02:49:46,643 --> 02:49:48,767 We decided to take the money this year 3546 02:49:48,768 --> 02:49:52,350 and really focus on early childhood. 3547 02:49:52,351 --> 02:49:53,017 So we've set up 3548 02:49:53,018 --> 02:49:55,932 specific early childhood family literacy centers. 3549 02:49:55,933 --> 02:49:57,932 Those, there are special collections being built. 3550 02:49:57,933 --> 02:49:59,475 MAN: This is physical, now. 3551 02:49:59,476 --> 02:49:59,934 WOMAN 2: Yes. 3552 02:49:59,935 --> 02:50:01,308 WOMAN: Physical collections that align 3553 02:50:01,309 --> 02:50:02,684 with the early literacy program 3554 02:50:02,685 --> 02:50:04,892 that we're putting in those 20 sites. 3555 02:50:04,893 --> 02:50:06,600 Plus, looking at the other 60 sites 3556 02:50:06,601 --> 02:50:09,267 that won't have the whole family literacy centers 3557 02:50:09,268 --> 02:50:09,933 put in there, 3558 02:50:09,934 --> 02:50:12,225 and really look at whether we have the materials. 3559 02:50:12,226 --> 02:50:12,933 We're also testing... 3560 02:50:12,934 --> 02:50:15,517 This is part of the service innovation community work 3561 02:50:15,518 --> 02:50:16,932 that we're doing... We're also testing 3562 02:50:16,933 --> 02:50:20,142 building up nonfiction children's collections 3563 02:50:20,143 --> 02:50:21,101 that don't float, 3564 02:50:21,101 --> 02:50:23,475 so that we can actually bring... 3565 02:50:23,476 --> 02:50:24,559 and partnering with the teachers 3566 02:50:24,560 --> 02:50:27,684 to make sure we have the right materials in those centers. 3567 02:50:27,685 --> 02:50:29,932 So rather than sort of go whole hog 3568 02:50:29,933 --> 02:50:31,767 and decide "Let's change the whole thing," 3569 02:50:31,768 --> 02:50:33,016 we're dipping our toes in 3570 02:50:33,017 --> 02:50:35,267 to making sure that those are the areas. 3571 02:50:35,268 --> 02:50:39,475 Certainly for the more popular fiction for adults, 3572 02:50:39,476 --> 02:50:41,684 I think we understand that very well. 3573 02:50:41,685 --> 02:50:44,267 But this is where we're really trying to focus, 3574 02:50:44,268 --> 02:50:45,932 is in the family literacy, 3575 02:50:45,933 --> 02:50:47,183 and with the schools, 3576 02:50:47,184 --> 02:50:49,932 and then figuring out for nonfiction materials, 3577 02:50:49,933 --> 02:50:50,933 what should float or not float 3578 02:50:50,934 --> 02:50:52,267 and we are building those collections out. 3579 02:50:52,268 --> 02:50:54,932 So we are addressing out to that physical issue. 3580 02:50:54,933 --> 02:50:58,932 MAN: What about the physical research collection budget 3581 02:50:58,933 --> 02:51:00,932 that we were concerned about? Yes. 3582 02:51:00,933 --> 02:51:03,392 Not the famous special collection acquisitions, 3583 02:51:03,393 --> 02:51:05,517 but everything else, right? Right, but the... 3584 02:51:05,518 --> 02:51:07,600 I think the questions, are we buying the right things, 3585 02:51:07,601 --> 02:51:10,308 because it's an old collection development policy. 3586 02:51:10,309 --> 02:51:10,976 It's, like, from 2008, 3587 02:51:10,976 --> 02:51:13,642 and as I said, I really want the Mellon director 3588 02:51:13,643 --> 02:51:15,267 to get hand-deep into that. 3589 02:51:15,268 --> 02:51:18,142 So depending on where we are with that, you know, 3590 02:51:18,143 --> 02:51:19,183 we can dig deep into that 3591 02:51:19,184 --> 02:51:21,767 to make sure we're really spending money 3592 02:51:21,768 --> 02:51:23,932 on things that have research value 3593 02:51:23,933 --> 02:51:24,933 and are used. 3594 02:51:24,933 --> 02:51:25,933 And I'm not convinced 3595 02:51:25,934 --> 02:51:28,851 that that's totally the case right now. 3596 02:51:28,851 --> 02:51:31,016 I need to look at that a little bit. 3597 02:51:31,017 --> 02:51:33,642 You know and I know that, at a market rate, 3598 02:51:33,643 --> 02:51:37,142 we still have to put more money into the research collections, 3599 02:51:37,143 --> 02:51:38,851 but we also want to look at that 3600 02:51:38,851 --> 02:51:39,932 in terms of the... our properties 3601 02:51:39,933 --> 02:51:41,932 and to see whether the boundary of 50-50 3602 02:51:41,933 --> 02:51:44,975 is a real boundary or just an agreed-to boundary, 3603 02:51:44,976 --> 02:51:47,932 and maybe there's something we can do better. 3604 02:51:47,933 --> 02:51:48,893 I just think it's easier 3605 02:51:48,894 --> 02:51:51,932 to raise money for research collections 3606 02:51:51,933 --> 02:51:54,058 than it is to raise money for city collections. 3607 02:51:54,059 --> 02:51:55,725 Let's make sure we're putting it in the right place. 3608 02:51:55,726 --> 02:51:58,350 We're just talking about one piece 3609 02:51:58,351 --> 02:52:01,392 of the possible allocation of these funds, 3610 02:52:01,393 --> 02:52:02,143 which is collections, 3611 02:52:02,144 --> 02:52:04,559 electronic, circulating, research, 3612 02:52:04,560 --> 02:52:07,142 physical and electronic. 3613 02:52:07,143 --> 02:52:09,809 And, you know, the great dilemma 3614 02:52:09,810 --> 02:52:13,932 given constrained or not infinite resources, 3615 02:52:13,933 --> 02:52:16,559 which, sadly, is our fate, 3616 02:52:16,560 --> 02:52:21,932 is you could spend every dollar on the best sellers, 3617 02:52:21,933 --> 02:52:23,892 and they would fly out the door, 3618 02:52:23,893 --> 02:52:27,932 but then we would have no money for the things that... 3619 02:52:27,933 --> 02:52:28,560 We recommend. 3620 02:52:28,561 --> 02:52:30,932 We recommend, or that, you know, 3621 02:52:30,933 --> 02:52:32,392 we need to have in our collection 3622 02:52:32,393 --> 02:52:34,517 for the off chance that ten years from now, 3623 02:52:34,518 --> 02:52:35,851 somebody's really going to need it, 3624 02:52:35,851 --> 02:52:37,851 and there's no place else to find it. 3625 02:52:37,851 --> 02:52:38,726 We have... Yeah. 3626 02:52:38,726 --> 02:52:40,475 And, in fact, on the best sellers, 3627 02:52:40,476 --> 02:52:43,932 those, the non-library circulatory system 3628 02:52:43,933 --> 02:52:47,350 of the best sellers seems to work pretty well, right? 3629 02:52:47,351 --> 02:52:49,225 Yeah, yeah. It's not totally socially 3630 02:52:49,226 --> 02:52:52,100 just for those who can't afford the latest best seller, 3631 02:52:52,101 --> 02:52:54,725 but it's not like they're not circulating. 3632 02:52:54,726 --> 02:52:55,933 Whereas, I do think 3633 02:52:55,934 --> 02:52:58,892 we have a social commitment to the backlist 3634 02:52:58,893 --> 02:53:04,643 that isn't circulating, right? Yeah, yep. 3635 02:53:06,601 --> 02:53:08,851 (walkie-talkie squawking) 3636 02:53:08,851 --> 02:53:11,932 WOMAN (on walkie-talkie): Tomorrow morning before we open, 3637 02:53:11,933 --> 02:53:13,932 we have to put them back downstairs 3638 02:53:13,933 --> 02:53:14,726 wherever they were. 3639 02:53:14,726 --> 02:53:18,393 (voice on walkie-talkie responds indistinctly) 3640 02:53:20,184 --> 02:53:21,559 (chattering) 3641 02:53:21,560 --> 02:53:23,183 MAN: Guys, all, you also have a chair, 3642 02:53:23,184 --> 02:53:25,434 she's going to show you, let's go to the other end. 3643 02:53:25,435 --> 02:53:28,767 Let's do that whole table down there, everybody. 3644 02:53:28,768 --> 02:53:31,309 (chattering) 3645 02:53:32,435 --> 02:53:35,267 What's happening? (clapping) 3646 02:53:35,268 --> 02:53:36,932 Here we go. 3647 02:53:36,933 --> 02:53:39,183 (chattering) 3648 02:53:39,184 --> 02:53:40,517 Oh, my gosh. 3649 02:53:40,518 --> 02:53:42,809 (chattering) 3650 02:53:42,810 --> 02:53:43,933 (clapping) 3651 02:53:43,934 --> 02:53:45,851 Now, who left their jackets here? 3652 02:53:45,851 --> 02:53:49,933 Whose white jackets were these? 3653 02:53:49,934 --> 02:53:52,225 They were moved here. 3654 02:53:52,226 --> 02:53:53,933 So please make sure you're taking yours, 3655 02:53:53,934 --> 02:53:56,851 not leaving someone's dirty jacket... 3656 02:53:58,184 --> 02:54:01,016 One of those looks like... 3657 02:54:01,017 --> 02:54:02,932 We all see how it's done guys. 3658 02:54:02,933 --> 02:54:03,933 (clapping) 3659 02:54:03,934 --> 02:54:06,100 (quietly): This is kind of pointless to me. 3660 02:54:06,101 --> 02:54:09,058 This is here, that's the other one, 3661 02:54:09,059 --> 02:54:11,267 two, three, four. 3662 02:54:11,268 --> 02:54:12,642 Okay, got it. 3663 02:54:12,643 --> 02:54:15,183 Double check if everybody has a sponsor card 3664 02:54:15,184 --> 02:54:18,183 and a program, please. 3665 02:54:18,184 --> 02:54:19,932 Like that, let's do that, all right? 3666 02:54:19,933 --> 02:54:22,767 So let's do this table first. 3667 02:54:22,768 --> 02:54:24,642 Make it really symmetrical. 3668 02:54:24,643 --> 02:54:25,226 Do this table, 3669 02:54:25,226 --> 02:54:27,434 work your way there to the other box, 3670 02:54:27,435 --> 02:54:28,932 set them back. 3671 02:54:28,933 --> 02:54:30,933 Guys... beautiful. 3672 02:54:31,393 --> 02:54:34,350 I'm very proud of this end, all right, all right. 3673 02:54:34,351 --> 02:54:36,517 You did a very good job. 3674 02:54:36,518 --> 02:54:39,685 (vacuum humming) 3675 02:54:42,934 --> 02:54:45,851 (indistinct voice on microphone) 3676 02:54:45,851 --> 02:54:49,600 MAN: And Anthony Appiah has volunteered 3677 02:54:49,601 --> 02:54:50,767 to tell us about a few items 3678 02:54:50,768 --> 02:54:52,725 in this instance from the Schomburg Collection, 3679 02:54:52,726 --> 02:54:55,767 a selection of works by Phillis Wheatley. 3680 02:54:55,768 --> 02:54:56,726 APPAIAH: Phillis Wheatley became 3681 02:54:56,726 --> 02:54:58,058 the first African-American woman poet 3682 02:54:58,059 --> 02:55:02,392 to be published in this country in 1770. 3683 02:55:02,393 --> 02:55:04,392 But she was born in West Africa 3684 02:55:04,393 --> 02:55:06,892 and sold into slavery when she was seven 3685 02:55:06,893 --> 02:55:09,100 and brought here and purchased 3686 02:55:09,101 --> 02:55:10,725 by the Wheatley family of Boston, 3687 02:55:10,726 --> 02:55:11,851 who taught her to read and write 3688 02:55:11,851 --> 02:55:14,183 and seemed to have encouraged her poetry. 3689 02:55:14,184 --> 02:55:17,975 She arrived in Boston on the 11th of July 1761 3690 02:55:17,976 --> 02:55:18,933 aboard the Phillis, 3691 02:55:18,934 --> 02:55:21,892 the ship from which she derived her first name, 3692 02:55:21,893 --> 02:55:22,893 which was recently returned 3693 02:55:22,894 --> 02:55:25,975 from Senegal, Sierra Leone, and Guinea. 3694 02:55:25,976 --> 02:55:27,434 When the Wheatleys died, 3695 02:55:27,435 --> 02:55:29,892 Phillis married a free man of color named John Peters, 3696 02:55:29,893 --> 02:55:30,932 who was a grocer. 3697 02:55:30,933 --> 02:55:32,642 The rest of her life was not so happy. 3698 02:55:32,643 --> 02:55:34,267 Two of their children died in infancy. 3699 02:55:34,268 --> 02:55:35,268 Peters was imprisoned for debt 3700 02:55:35,269 --> 02:55:39,725 in 1784 and then Wheatley fell into poverty 3701 02:55:39,726 --> 02:55:42,932 and died and was quickly followed in death 3702 02:55:42,933 --> 02:55:44,559 by her only surviving infant son. 3703 02:55:44,560 --> 02:55:48,183 So her poems are her only legacy. 3704 02:55:48,184 --> 02:55:52,851 Schomburg has Arthur Schomburg's own copy of an elegiac poem 3705 02:55:52,851 --> 02:55:55,475 on the Reverend and Learned Mr. George Whitefield 3706 02:55:55,476 --> 02:55:58,517 which was the first poem Wheatley published. 3707 02:55:58,518 --> 02:56:00,267 Whitefield was an evangelist in the U.S. 3708 02:56:00,268 --> 02:56:03,058 and the personal chaplain of Selina Hastings, 3709 02:56:03,059 --> 02:56:03,933 the Countess of Huntingdon, 3710 02:56:03,934 --> 02:56:06,932 who was one of the leading figures in British Methodism. 3711 02:56:06,933 --> 02:56:09,932 Wheatley's Whitefield elegy brought her into national fame, 3712 02:56:09,933 --> 02:56:13,475 and it was published in London as well as in Boston. 3713 02:56:13,476 --> 02:56:14,932 And her reputation was reinforced 3714 02:56:14,933 --> 02:56:17,600 by the publication of her poem, "Recollection," 3715 02:56:17,601 --> 02:56:19,517 which first appeared in March 1772 3716 02:56:19,518 --> 02:56:22,932 in the London magazine or gentleman's monthly, 3717 02:56:22,933 --> 02:56:23,810 Intelligencer, 3718 02:56:23,811 --> 02:56:25,225 which was then more widely published 3719 02:56:25,226 --> 02:56:28,058 in American and British periodicals. 3720 02:56:28,059 --> 02:56:29,308 So what we have here on display 3721 02:56:29,309 --> 02:56:31,267 are materials all collected by Arthur Schomburg himself. 3722 02:56:31,268 --> 02:56:36,434 As I say, his copy of the first poem Wheatley published, 3723 02:56:36,435 --> 02:56:39,350 his first edition of the poems, 3724 02:56:39,351 --> 02:56:41,016 signed by Phillis Wheatley herself. 3725 02:56:41,017 --> 02:56:44,851 His London magazine with the poem "Recollection," 3726 02:56:44,851 --> 02:56:45,560 and a copy 3727 02:56:45,561 --> 02:56:47,642 ofMemoirs and Poems of Phillis Wheatley, 3728 02:56:47,643 --> 02:56:51,100 published in Boston in 1834, signed by Schomburg. 3729 02:56:51,101 --> 02:56:53,932 That book, which was published the year Wheatley died 3730 02:56:53,933 --> 02:56:59,932 by Margaretta Matilda Odell, was the, is the basis 3731 02:56:59,933 --> 02:57:00,768 of much of what we know 3732 02:57:00,769 --> 02:57:02,142 about Phillis Wheatley's life. 3733 02:57:02,143 --> 02:57:05,684 In a famous poem about her enslavement, Wheatley wrote, 3734 02:57:05,685 --> 02:57:08,809 "'Twas mercy brought me from my pagan land, 3735 02:57:08,810 --> 02:57:12,975 "taught my benighted soul to understand that there's a God, 3736 02:57:12,976 --> 02:57:14,183 "and there's a Savior too, 3737 02:57:14,184 --> 02:57:18,642 once I redemption neither sought nor knew." 3738 02:57:18,643 --> 02:57:20,100 So we can see why Thomas Jefferson 3739 02:57:20,101 --> 02:57:22,058 in theNotes on the State of Virginia, 3740 02:57:22,059 --> 02:57:22,976 might have written that, 3741 02:57:22,976 --> 02:57:26,308 "Religion indeed has produced a Phillis Wheatley, 3742 02:57:26,309 --> 02:57:28,725 but it could not produce a poet." 3743 02:57:28,726 --> 02:57:30,932 But this was not the only judgment of her 3744 02:57:30,933 --> 02:57:32,642 made by one of the founders. 3745 02:57:32,643 --> 02:57:34,932 In 1776 Wheatley wrote a letter and a poem 3746 02:57:34,933 --> 02:57:37,225 in support of Washington, George Washington, 3747 02:57:37,226 --> 02:57:39,642 and he replied with a gracious invitation 3748 02:57:39,643 --> 02:57:41,142 to visit him in Cambridge, 3749 02:57:41,143 --> 02:57:42,559 stating he would be, 3750 02:57:42,560 --> 02:57:47,016 "Happy to see a person so favored by the Muses." 3751 02:57:47,017 --> 02:57:49,684 I'm very grateful to Steven Fullwood, 3752 02:57:49,685 --> 02:57:51,892 assistant curator of Manuscripts, Archives, 3753 02:57:51,893 --> 02:57:53,016 and Rare Books at the Schomburg, 3754 02:57:53,017 --> 02:57:58,393 both for finding this material and for telling me about it. 3755 02:57:59,226 --> 02:58:03,809 Unless there is other business before the board, 3756 02:58:03,810 --> 02:58:06,393 we are adjourned, thank you. 3757 02:58:08,601 --> 02:58:11,933 (chattering in distance) 3758 02:58:18,518 --> 02:58:21,933 (laughing, chattering in distance) 3759 02:58:31,601 --> 02:58:33,810 PHOTOGRAPHER: Well, here we are again. 3760 02:58:35,601 --> 02:58:36,767 Thank you for coming. 3761 02:58:36,768 --> 02:58:38,932 Eyes open. 3762 02:58:38,933 --> 02:58:41,642 Smile, smile, yes. 3763 02:58:41,643 --> 02:58:44,684 Yes, that's, I always forget the smile part. 3764 02:58:44,685 --> 02:58:47,517 There, so you can all see it. 3765 02:58:47,518 --> 02:58:49,392 Okay. (chuckling) 3766 02:58:49,393 --> 02:58:52,475 Eyes wide open, smiles. 3767 02:58:52,476 --> 02:58:58,393 (chattering, saxophone playing jazz tune) 3768 02:58:59,933 --> 02:59:02,308 (saxophone continues playing) 3769 02:59:02,309 --> 02:59:05,933 (chattering in multiple language) 3770 02:59:23,268 --> 02:59:27,101 (chattering, saxophone continue) 3771 02:59:39,933 --> 02:59:42,932 MAN: So maybe just talk about the state of play. 3772 02:59:42,933 --> 02:59:44,932 So you've talked about it historically. 3773 02:59:44,933 --> 02:59:45,933 You've talked about reparations, 3774 02:59:45,934 --> 02:59:48,932 but this book clearly is original 3775 02:59:48,933 --> 02:59:51,932 in one significant formulation among many, 3776 02:59:51,933 --> 02:59:53,475 but one being that 3777 02:59:53,476 --> 02:59:55,932 you wrestle with the issue of violence 3778 02:59:55,933 --> 02:59:57,016 within the black community 3779 02:59:57,017 --> 03:00:01,142 in ways that typically are positioned as an either-or. 3780 03:00:01,143 --> 03:00:03,932 That's... that's... Either these are explorations 3781 03:00:03,933 --> 03:00:05,517 that are about the terrible things 3782 03:00:05,518 --> 03:00:07,517 that black people do to themselves... 3783 03:00:07,518 --> 03:00:07,976 Right. 3784 03:00:07,977 --> 03:00:09,475 or they're about the terrible things 3785 03:00:09,476 --> 03:00:10,933 that whites do to black people. 3786 03:00:10,934 --> 03:00:11,601 Yeah. 3787 03:00:11,602 --> 03:00:14,932 But here, and probably surprising to many, 3788 03:00:14,933 --> 03:00:18,932 you found a way to web... wed those two things together. 3789 03:00:18,933 --> 03:00:22,058 And that seems to me to be an explicit response 3790 03:00:22,059 --> 03:00:23,975 to the conversation we've been having 3791 03:00:23,976 --> 03:00:25,932 about Michael Brown, for example. Right. 3792 03:00:25,933 --> 03:00:27,851 Right, well, as you said, it's very much a response 3793 03:00:27,852 --> 03:00:30,851 to an ocean of "black on black crime" 3794 03:00:30,852 --> 03:00:34,058 or black people not caring about black on black crime. 3795 03:00:34,059 --> 03:00:37,016 And I think people who regrettably, you know, 3796 03:00:37,017 --> 03:00:39,851 people who I agree with quite a bit, 3797 03:00:39,852 --> 03:00:41,559 play into this sometimes 3798 03:00:41,560 --> 03:00:43,892 because they are afraid of talking about 3799 03:00:43,893 --> 03:00:46,517 "neighbor on neighbor," as someone, you know, 3800 03:00:46,518 --> 03:00:47,642 helpfully phrased it for me. 3801 03:00:47,643 --> 03:00:48,932 Neighbor on neighbor crime that happens 3802 03:00:48,933 --> 03:00:49,933 in African American communities, 3803 03:00:49,934 --> 03:00:52,517 and we say neighbor on neighbor crime 3804 03:00:52,518 --> 03:00:55,142 because the vast majority of crime 3805 03:00:55,143 --> 03:00:56,183 that happens in any community 3806 03:00:56,184 --> 03:00:57,975 is done by other community members. 3807 03:00:57,976 --> 03:01:00,350 That was always true. 3808 03:01:00,351 --> 03:01:01,226 That did not become true in 1965. 3809 03:01:01,227 --> 03:01:02,932 That has always been true in black communities 3810 03:01:02,933 --> 03:01:04,559 and in other people's communities. 3811 03:01:04,560 --> 03:01:05,932 It's just true. 3812 03:01:05,933 --> 03:01:08,350 People don't tend to, you know, 3813 03:01:08,351 --> 03:01:10,975 take the subway to the other side of town, 3814 03:01:10,976 --> 03:01:12,183 you know, to commit a crime, 3815 03:01:12,184 --> 03:01:14,308 they tend to rob people who are right around them. 3816 03:01:14,309 --> 03:01:16,308 And in that sense, the black community 3817 03:01:16,309 --> 03:01:18,267 is just another human community. 3818 03:01:18,268 --> 03:01:19,932 And the fact that the black community 3819 03:01:19,933 --> 03:01:21,016 suffers more crime 3820 03:01:21,017 --> 03:01:24,016 is part of the oppression, 3821 03:01:24,017 --> 03:01:25,932 not separate from the oppression. 3822 03:01:25,933 --> 03:01:26,476 Mm-hmm. 3823 03:01:26,477 --> 03:01:28,142 It's not something that, you know, mutate over... 3824 03:01:28,143 --> 03:01:29,101 it is part of what happens 3825 03:01:29,102 --> 03:01:31,932 when you have a group of people who, 3826 03:01:31,933 --> 03:01:33,684 over a course of generations, 3827 03:01:33,685 --> 03:01:36,932 have been isolated, segregated, plundered, 3828 03:01:36,933 --> 03:01:38,932 have had things taken from them. 3829 03:01:38,933 --> 03:01:41,559 The expectation that the amount of crime 3830 03:01:41,560 --> 03:01:42,933 that happens in their neighborhoods 3831 03:01:42,934 --> 03:01:44,559 will somehow be the same 3832 03:01:44,560 --> 03:01:46,434 as what happens in other neighborhoods, 3833 03:01:46,435 --> 03:01:47,809 it's absurd. Right. 3834 03:01:47,810 --> 03:01:49,392 It's just absurd, you know. 3835 03:01:49,393 --> 03:01:51,016 I don't find it hard to explain, 3836 03:01:51,017 --> 03:01:53,142 nor am I afraid of any sort of conversation 3837 03:01:53,143 --> 03:01:55,225 about the kind of neighbor on neighbor violence 3838 03:01:55,226 --> 03:01:57,392 that happens in African American communities. 3839 03:01:57,393 --> 03:01:59,851 What the hell do you expect to happen? 3840 03:01:59,852 --> 03:02:02,016 Right. It just makes sense. 3841 03:02:02,017 --> 03:02:04,350 You know, I'm black, I'm African American, 3842 03:02:04,351 --> 03:02:06,932 there is so much about being African American 3843 03:02:06,933 --> 03:02:10,767 and African American politics that I don't understand, 3844 03:02:10,768 --> 03:02:12,809 primarily because in my household 3845 03:02:12,810 --> 03:02:14,308 Malcolm X was Jesus. 3846 03:02:14,309 --> 03:02:15,309 (laughter) 3847 03:02:15,310 --> 03:02:17,559 You know, and so, your orientation is... 3848 03:02:17,560 --> 03:02:18,226 I mean, and that's like, 3849 03:02:18,227 --> 03:02:19,475 again, that's at the root of this book. 3850 03:02:19,476 --> 03:02:20,932 You know, like the stress on the body. 3851 03:02:20,933 --> 03:02:24,932 You know, Malcolm's belief, his anger, his rage, 3852 03:02:24,933 --> 03:02:26,517 you know, at seeing, you know, 3853 03:02:26,518 --> 03:02:28,016 black people beat in the street 3854 03:02:28,017 --> 03:02:30,183 and dogs sicced on black people, 3855 03:02:30,184 --> 03:02:35,684 said to me, "The black body, your body, is precious." 3856 03:02:35,685 --> 03:02:38,350 Your life is as precious as anyone, 3857 03:02:38,351 --> 03:02:39,892 and you should not give up your life 3858 03:02:39,893 --> 03:02:45,932 and you should not give up your body for rights that are 3859 03:02:45,933 --> 03:02:47,642 already written in the Constitution. 3860 03:02:47,643 --> 03:02:48,851 I'm making my way very slowly 3861 03:02:48,852 --> 03:02:50,851 right now through this Barbara Tuchman book 3862 03:02:50,852 --> 03:02:51,932 called A Distant Mirror, 3863 03:02:51,933 --> 03:02:54,100 it's a history of the 14th century. 3864 03:02:54,101 --> 03:02:56,392 And she has this chapter 3865 03:02:56,393 --> 03:02:59,725 on serfs, and she goes through the literature 3866 03:02:59,726 --> 03:03:01,851 of how people talk about serfs, 3867 03:03:01,852 --> 03:03:02,560 and it's no different than 3868 03:03:02,561 --> 03:03:03,725 how people talk about black people, 3869 03:03:03,726 --> 03:03:07,267 except the substitution for the science that, you know, 3870 03:03:07,268 --> 03:03:07,933 we use for black people, 3871 03:03:07,934 --> 03:03:09,475 I meant black people being scientifically, 3872 03:03:09,476 --> 03:03:12,517 you know, genetically inferior, is replaced by God. 3873 03:03:12,518 --> 03:03:14,684 That's really, really the only difference, 3874 03:03:14,685 --> 03:03:15,892 so when you get to that, you say, 3875 03:03:15,893 --> 03:03:19,559 "Well, damn, this is something about the human condition." 3876 03:03:19,560 --> 03:03:21,434 Like... and I guess in many ways like, 3877 03:03:21,435 --> 03:03:23,932 that's the power of the African American experience, 3878 03:03:23,933 --> 03:03:25,016 when you begin to understand, 3879 03:03:25,017 --> 03:03:27,100 there's actually a statement about 3880 03:03:27,101 --> 03:03:29,685 the human condition. 3881 03:03:31,933 --> 03:03:35,893 (cars driving by, distant honking) 3882 03:03:40,893 --> 03:03:43,933 (chatter echoing) 3883 03:03:56,560 --> 03:04:00,101 (distant footsteps) 3884 03:04:03,893 --> 03:04:05,268 (coughing) 3885 03:04:41,560 --> 03:04:46,685 (chatter echoing) 3886 03:04:50,476 --> 03:04:53,183 WOMAN: As we're seeing the fruits of our labor 3887 03:04:53,184 --> 03:04:54,725 with all the increased staff 3888 03:04:54,726 --> 03:04:55,809 and increased hours 3889 03:04:55,810 --> 03:04:58,016 and increased educational opportunities 3890 03:04:58,017 --> 03:05:00,434 that were created. 3891 03:05:00,435 --> 03:05:02,183 And we had a great campaign, 3892 03:05:02,184 --> 03:05:03,725 Invest in Libraries, right? 3893 03:05:03,726 --> 03:05:05,016 I mean, we need to sort of 3894 03:05:05,017 --> 03:05:07,392 tee this up for next year. 3895 03:05:07,393 --> 03:05:13,767 Um, we have to have a new story, a new priority. 3896 03:05:13,768 --> 03:05:15,600 It can't just be that we want 3897 03:05:15,601 --> 03:05:20,100 to baseline the money that we got last year. 3898 03:05:20,101 --> 03:05:23,100 I mean, is it seven-day service 3899 03:05:23,101 --> 03:05:25,684 across the entire system? 3900 03:05:25,685 --> 03:05:29,975 Um, is it, you know, more capital money? 3901 03:05:29,976 --> 03:05:32,932 We have to sort of formulate that here, 3902 03:05:32,933 --> 03:05:34,851 and before we know it, 3903 03:05:34,852 --> 03:05:36,933 the budget cycle is going to be upon us. 3904 03:05:36,934 --> 03:05:39,725 I'm sure that they're going to have their first hearing 3905 03:05:39,726 --> 03:05:41,932 starting at the end of November 3906 03:05:41,933 --> 03:05:43,684 for the next fiscal year. 3907 03:05:43,685 --> 03:05:45,932 So this is sort of an important moment 3908 03:05:45,933 --> 03:05:47,932 to sort of figure out, 3909 03:05:47,933 --> 03:05:49,434 and you're the ones 3910 03:05:49,435 --> 03:05:53,932 to sort of help us craft this message. 3911 03:05:53,933 --> 03:05:56,932 So I think that we need to sort of 3912 03:05:56,933 --> 03:06:00,183 start having a discussion about this and, you know, 3913 03:06:00,184 --> 03:06:02,016 we need to know how much 3914 03:06:02,017 --> 03:06:03,932 can we absorb here, you know? 3915 03:06:03,933 --> 03:06:07,100 It was a phenomenal year and, you know, 3916 03:06:07,101 --> 03:06:09,559 between Louise and Christopher, you know, 3917 03:06:09,560 --> 03:06:12,308 hiring these people, getting them, you know, 3918 03:06:12,309 --> 03:06:14,475 assimilated into the library, 3919 03:06:14,476 --> 03:06:16,183 that's a huge number of people 3920 03:06:16,184 --> 03:06:19,142 to get into the library system. 3921 03:06:19,143 --> 03:06:24,100 Um, so, we need to sort of figure out what the message is. 3922 03:06:24,101 --> 03:06:25,975 And, you know, it's gonna... 3923 03:06:25,976 --> 03:06:29,517 it's the third year of this administration. 3924 03:06:29,518 --> 03:06:31,933 We sort of have to have the right message. 3925 03:06:31,934 --> 03:06:34,434 I believe, George, that we're beginning 3926 03:06:34,435 --> 03:06:37,932 to get into their psyche a little bit more. 3927 03:06:37,933 --> 03:06:40,851 So, you know, this is the moment 3928 03:06:40,852 --> 03:06:41,932 to start thinking about that. 3929 03:06:41,933 --> 03:06:42,933 MAN: We had asked for $65 million, 3930 03:06:42,934 --> 03:06:43,934 and the $65 million would have 3931 03:06:43,935 --> 03:06:46,350 brought us back to fiscal '08. 3932 03:06:46,351 --> 03:06:48,016 So we didn't get everything that we asked for. 3933 03:06:48,017 --> 03:06:49,517 But by the same token, 3934 03:06:49,518 --> 03:06:51,767 through the eyes of our friends in government, 3935 03:06:51,768 --> 03:06:52,932 they may feel that the problem 3936 03:06:52,933 --> 03:06:55,350 as far as library funding is concerned is solved. 3937 03:06:55,351 --> 03:06:57,183 So that's one of the big dilemmas 3938 03:06:57,184 --> 03:06:59,809 that we have to deal with at this point. 3939 03:06:59,810 --> 03:07:00,851 We also know that we had 3940 03:07:00,852 --> 03:07:02,434 over $1 billion in capital needs 3941 03:07:02,435 --> 03:07:03,184 that we were asking for. 3942 03:07:03,185 --> 03:07:04,350 We only received $300 million. 3943 03:07:04,351 --> 03:07:06,932 But the real remarkable thing that happened last year, 3944 03:07:06,933 --> 03:07:09,016 is for the first time ever as far as we can remember, 3945 03:07:09,017 --> 03:07:11,975 is that they actually entered into a dialogue with us 3946 03:07:11,976 --> 03:07:13,600 at a point in the process where 3947 03:07:13,601 --> 03:07:15,684 they had never done that in the past. 3948 03:07:15,685 --> 03:07:17,767 So to them, again, on the capital side, 3949 03:07:17,768 --> 03:07:20,350 they may feel that problem is solved. 3950 03:07:20,351 --> 03:07:21,933 So, we have to get past that. 3951 03:07:21,934 --> 03:07:24,932 We have to articulate a message this year again. 3952 03:07:24,933 --> 03:07:28,350 And, in addition to the message around funding, 3953 03:07:28,351 --> 03:07:31,725 we have to continue applying pressure 3954 03:07:31,726 --> 03:07:33,308 on the community side. 3955 03:07:33,309 --> 03:07:35,475 I mean, that's... that's a reality 3956 03:07:35,476 --> 03:07:38,183 and that worked last year, so we have to continue 3957 03:07:38,184 --> 03:07:39,892 applying pressure in that way, 3958 03:07:39,893 --> 03:07:41,308 continue to build relationships, 3959 03:07:41,309 --> 03:07:42,725 not just with our elected officials, 3960 03:07:42,726 --> 03:07:44,932 but with the groups and the individuals 3961 03:07:44,933 --> 03:07:46,225 and the users and supporters 3962 03:07:46,226 --> 03:07:49,016 and all the folks out there that really do love libraries 3963 03:07:49,017 --> 03:07:50,932 and to have them tell our story for us. 3964 03:07:50,933 --> 03:07:53,809 WOMAN: We have a core group 3965 03:07:53,810 --> 03:07:54,393 of library managers 3966 03:07:54,394 --> 03:07:56,932 who really were phenomenal last year 3967 03:07:56,933 --> 03:07:58,767 and are gonna be great this year. 3968 03:07:58,768 --> 03:08:01,559 And, you know, we need to sort of figure out, 3969 03:08:01,560 --> 03:08:04,016 also, what their roles are going to be. 3970 03:08:04,017 --> 03:08:08,058 You know, not everybody is great at this, 3971 03:08:08,059 --> 03:08:10,016 but people can have buddies and partners 3972 03:08:10,017 --> 03:08:11,725 who can teach them how to do this. 3973 03:08:11,726 --> 03:08:14,559 For me, the key questions that we need 3974 03:08:14,560 --> 03:08:16,016 to get our head around is sort of 3975 03:08:16,017 --> 03:08:19,142 "What is it, what's next that we want to do, 3976 03:08:19,143 --> 03:08:23,100 or need to do, or need to fund to do?" 3977 03:08:23,101 --> 03:08:28,517 And what do we think is a political message 3978 03:08:28,518 --> 03:08:30,475 that our colleagues in city hall 3979 03:08:30,476 --> 03:08:33,016 and city council will embrace? 3980 03:08:33,017 --> 03:08:34,142 I mean, I think one of the lessons 3981 03:08:34,143 --> 03:08:37,475 we learned last year is surprise, surprise, 3982 03:08:37,476 --> 03:08:40,932 politicians like simple messages, right? 3983 03:08:40,933 --> 03:08:43,975 So, six-day service, all right? 3984 03:08:43,976 --> 03:08:46,767 And, you know, the way to win here 3985 03:08:46,768 --> 03:08:49,225 is to think about the match between 3986 03:08:49,226 --> 03:08:52,225 what it is we are delivering and want to deliver, 3987 03:08:52,226 --> 03:08:57,600 and what is a message that is easily projected from them, 3988 03:08:57,601 --> 03:09:00,434 so that they can rally the citizenry 3989 03:09:00,435 --> 03:09:02,725 in support of what they're trying to do as well. 3990 03:09:02,726 --> 03:09:05,932 And this only works if we think strategically 3991 03:09:05,933 --> 03:09:08,350 for and with the political leaders 3992 03:09:08,351 --> 03:09:11,892 and match that with the substance 3993 03:09:11,893 --> 03:09:13,933 of what we think we need to deliver 3994 03:09:13,934 --> 03:09:15,932 and need to find the funding for, 3995 03:09:15,933 --> 03:09:19,101 and that's the intersect that we're looking for. 3996 03:09:27,601 --> 03:09:30,810 (leaves rustling) 3997 03:09:35,560 --> 03:09:38,893 (rake scraping) 3998 03:09:46,184 --> 03:09:48,932 WOMAN: Macomb's Bridge, as you may not know, 3999 03:09:48,933 --> 03:09:51,559 is the jewel of the New York Public Library. 4000 03:09:51,560 --> 03:09:53,932 (excited chattering) 4001 03:09:53,933 --> 03:09:55,725 And we do have 4002 03:09:55,726 --> 03:10:00,142 programs such as this for the community, 4003 03:10:00,143 --> 03:10:02,559 for us to come and talk and have a conversation. 4004 03:10:02,560 --> 03:10:04,225 And it is about moving forward. 4005 03:10:04,226 --> 03:10:05,559 It's not just about talking about, 4006 03:10:05,560 --> 03:10:07,809 we can't preach to the choir, you know. 4007 03:10:07,810 --> 03:10:08,932 Mm-hmm. Right. 4008 03:10:08,933 --> 03:10:09,933 We already know. 4009 03:10:09,934 --> 03:10:10,934 But it is about moving forward, 4010 03:10:10,935 --> 03:10:13,225 and sometimes you have to take little steps 4011 03:10:13,226 --> 03:10:14,308 to move forward. 4012 03:10:14,309 --> 03:10:16,892 So you have come to talk, 4013 03:10:16,893 --> 03:10:19,392 and there are five young men outside, 4014 03:10:19,393 --> 03:10:20,559 and I say to them, 4015 03:10:20,560 --> 03:10:21,932 "Hey guys, come on in 4016 03:10:21,933 --> 03:10:23,932 and listen to Brother Muhammad talk ." 4017 03:10:23,933 --> 03:10:25,975 Because even if they're in here on the computer, 4018 03:10:25,976 --> 03:10:27,016 that's good enough for me. 4019 03:10:27,017 --> 03:10:28,142 Yeah. Because they're listening, 4020 03:10:28,143 --> 03:10:29,932 and that's what the beauty of Macomb's Bridge is, 4021 03:10:29,933 --> 03:10:32,100 that we're small, right? 4022 03:10:32,101 --> 03:10:34,932 They chose not to, and that's fine. 4023 03:10:34,933 --> 03:10:35,852 WOMAN: Latron did. 4024 03:10:35,853 --> 03:10:38,142 Yeah, Latron is over there. (claps) 4025 03:10:38,143 --> 03:10:43,016 But they... but there is this peer kind of thing 4026 03:10:43,017 --> 03:10:43,934 and we've all been children 4027 03:10:43,935 --> 03:10:45,058 and there's that peer kind of a thing 4028 03:10:45,059 --> 03:10:47,642 and they chose to stay outside and take pictures while, 4029 03:10:47,643 --> 03:10:50,932 you know, doing whatever it is that they do. 4030 03:10:50,933 --> 03:10:52,350 This is a first step. 4031 03:10:52,351 --> 03:10:53,932 We also have our writers group, 4032 03:10:53,933 --> 03:10:56,559 which is a group of adults who come together 4033 03:10:56,560 --> 03:10:59,183 and talk about things in the community, 4034 03:10:59,184 --> 03:11:00,809 but not only that, talk about things, 4035 03:11:00,810 --> 03:11:01,892 what's going on in the library. 4036 03:11:01,893 --> 03:11:03,392 You know, the free access 4037 03:11:03,393 --> 03:11:04,932 that we have in the library 4038 03:11:04,933 --> 03:11:06,225 in your own community. 4039 03:11:06,226 --> 03:11:10,434 And you can't force people to come in 4040 03:11:10,435 --> 03:11:13,642 and take information that's available to them, 4041 03:11:13,643 --> 03:11:15,932 you can only let them know it's there. 4042 03:11:15,933 --> 03:11:16,933 WOMAN: From what I see, 4043 03:11:16,934 --> 03:11:20,225 I'm teaching in the school system. 4044 03:11:20,226 --> 03:11:22,600 I grew up single. 4045 03:11:22,601 --> 03:11:24,350 My mom was young, single. 4046 03:11:24,351 --> 03:11:27,142 I knew my father, but he didn't live with me. 4047 03:11:27,143 --> 03:11:28,809 My husband, same thing. 4048 03:11:28,810 --> 03:11:31,932 We grew up without our fathers in our home. 4049 03:11:31,933 --> 03:11:36,932 We grew up, there were "uncles" there, quote unquote, 4050 03:11:36,933 --> 03:11:40,350 but no fathers were there. 4051 03:11:40,351 --> 03:11:46,559 So, we tried to change that with our son, you know, 4052 03:11:46,560 --> 03:11:48,932 and made sure that we were there 4053 03:11:48,933 --> 03:11:51,058 and it does make a difference. 4054 03:11:51,059 --> 03:11:55,932 Not only us being in the household, 4055 03:11:55,933 --> 03:11:57,308 but us being there, 4056 03:11:57,309 --> 03:11:59,725 because you can still be a family, 4057 03:11:59,726 --> 03:12:02,058 but if you're working 12 hours 4058 03:12:02,059 --> 03:12:03,933 and your husband is working 12 hours, 4059 03:12:03,934 --> 03:12:07,142 your child is still being raised by the street, 4060 03:12:07,143 --> 03:12:11,434 or pray to God that someone in the school 4061 03:12:11,435 --> 03:12:13,058 is caring enough for them 4062 03:12:13,059 --> 03:12:15,642 to let them stay a little longer. 4063 03:12:15,643 --> 03:12:19,183 I see now, afterschool programs start early. 4064 03:12:19,184 --> 03:12:22,434 Some students are out there 6:00 in the morning, 4065 03:12:22,435 --> 03:12:24,058 waiting for the school to open 4066 03:12:24,059 --> 03:12:26,767 because their parents have to go to work 4067 03:12:26,768 --> 03:12:27,932 to pay these bills 4068 03:12:27,933 --> 03:12:30,350 or to do whatever they need to do 4069 03:12:30,351 --> 03:12:35,225 and then they go home 8:00, 8:30. 4070 03:12:35,226 --> 03:12:38,559 That's from 6:00 in the morning 4071 03:12:38,560 --> 03:12:39,932 to 8:30 at night. 4072 03:12:39,933 --> 03:12:41,434 There is no family, 4073 03:12:41,435 --> 03:12:42,933 no kind of connection. 4074 03:12:42,934 --> 03:12:43,643 MAN: Okay, 4075 03:12:43,644 --> 03:12:46,600 I told a lot of people, you have to... 4076 03:12:46,601 --> 03:12:48,058 don't depend on anyone. 4077 03:12:48,059 --> 03:12:49,975 Do it yourself, just believe in yourself 4078 03:12:49,976 --> 03:12:50,933 and keep working at it. 4079 03:12:50,934 --> 03:12:53,767 I couldn't afford to go to film school. 4080 03:12:53,768 --> 03:12:55,559 I learned from the library. 4081 03:12:55,560 --> 03:12:56,309 I learned how to type. 4082 03:12:56,310 --> 03:12:57,350 I learned how to read a script. 4083 03:12:57,351 --> 03:12:58,975 I learned how to do all that from the library. 4084 03:12:58,976 --> 03:13:00,559 People say, "Why didn't you go to school?" 4085 03:13:00,560 --> 03:13:01,518 I was taking care of my kids, 4086 03:13:01,519 --> 03:13:02,809 I couldn't afford it, couldn't find no job. 4087 03:13:02,810 --> 03:13:04,517 So, I learned from the library. 4088 03:13:04,518 --> 03:13:06,933 But we have to stick together 4089 03:13:06,934 --> 03:13:09,559 and we have to form a group where we can say, 4090 03:13:09,560 --> 03:13:11,267 "We just ain't going to take it no more," 4091 03:13:11,268 --> 03:13:13,058 and just do and look out for each other. 4092 03:13:13,059 --> 03:13:15,100 We cut each other's throat a lot. 4093 03:13:15,101 --> 03:13:18,725 Because once somebody get it, think as, or Nas was saying, 4094 03:13:18,726 --> 03:13:20,767 you know, once you start getting that money, 4095 03:13:20,768 --> 03:13:23,142 everybody want to go spend money downtown, they... 4096 03:13:23,143 --> 03:13:25,932 nobody want to bring money back into the community. 4097 03:13:25,933 --> 03:13:26,685 And then when we try to 4098 03:13:26,686 --> 03:13:27,851 bring back money in the community, 4099 03:13:27,852 --> 03:13:28,932 we're always trying to get... 4100 03:13:28,933 --> 03:13:30,767 cut each other's throat. 4101 03:13:30,768 --> 03:13:31,932 If we come together, 4102 03:13:31,933 --> 03:13:33,142 it seems like the only time we come together 4103 03:13:33,143 --> 03:13:36,016 is when something crazy happens with us, you know? 4104 03:13:36,017 --> 03:13:37,809 As soon as it's over, it died out 4105 03:13:37,810 --> 03:13:40,684 and everything's back the same. 4106 03:13:40,685 --> 03:13:41,601 Can I say something 4107 03:13:41,602 --> 03:13:42,892 about what he just said? 4108 03:13:42,893 --> 03:13:45,642 My grandmother had a store, and I'll tell you 4109 03:13:45,643 --> 03:13:46,932 how she lost her store. 4110 03:13:46,933 --> 03:13:47,933 Like almost every other 4111 03:13:47,934 --> 03:13:49,851 black store owner. 4112 03:13:49,852 --> 03:13:52,308 When you have a store, you have to buy products. 4113 03:13:52,309 --> 03:13:53,101 You have to buy straws, 4114 03:13:53,102 --> 03:13:55,517 you have to buy brown paper bags, 4115 03:13:55,518 --> 03:13:57,308 you have to buy canned peas. 4116 03:13:57,309 --> 03:14:01,225 So, what happens is you have to go to your distributor, 4117 03:14:01,226 --> 03:14:04,434 the people who are distributing these items, 4118 03:14:04,435 --> 03:14:05,767 and most of the time, most... 4119 03:14:05,768 --> 03:14:07,932 Like 99% of the time, they're white. 4120 03:14:07,933 --> 03:14:10,932 So what basically happened with my grandmother is 4121 03:14:10,933 --> 03:14:13,892 that they kept going up on her prices 4122 03:14:13,893 --> 03:14:16,392 of her straws, of her paper bags, 4123 03:14:16,393 --> 03:14:19,058 of her canned peas, of her this and that. 4124 03:14:19,059 --> 03:14:22,600 So, every time they went up, she had to go up. 4125 03:14:22,601 --> 03:14:23,892 But those same distributors 4126 03:14:23,893 --> 03:14:27,308 weren't going up on their prices in other communities. 4127 03:14:27,309 --> 03:14:29,350 Right. They stayed the same. 4128 03:14:29,351 --> 03:14:29,933 So, basically, 4129 03:14:29,934 --> 03:14:32,767 that's how they basically get it, get you out, 4130 03:14:32,768 --> 03:14:34,892 and it goes from one thing to another, 4131 03:14:34,893 --> 03:14:37,267 from farms to our meat markets. 4132 03:14:37,268 --> 03:14:38,932 We have no farms. 4133 03:14:38,933 --> 03:14:39,768 As a matter of fact, 4134 03:14:39,769 --> 03:14:41,600 the government was sued by black farmers 4135 03:14:41,601 --> 03:14:45,725 over 20 years ago, and they have yet, to this day, 4136 03:14:45,726 --> 03:14:48,350 got their money for their farms. 4137 03:14:48,351 --> 03:14:50,725 So, I mean, it's terrible. 4138 03:14:50,726 --> 03:14:53,932 Yeah, and if you notice the neighborhood 4139 03:14:53,933 --> 03:14:54,933 and who owns the stores 4140 03:14:54,934 --> 03:14:59,392 and what we particularly eat is outrageous prices. 4141 03:14:59,393 --> 03:15:02,350 Like, my mother used Hellmann's mayonnaise. 4142 03:15:02,351 --> 03:15:03,017 You go to the store now, 4143 03:15:03,018 --> 03:15:06,183 Hellmann's mayonnaise is like $6.99 4144 03:15:06,184 --> 03:15:07,932 when it should be $3.99. 4145 03:15:07,933 --> 03:15:10,932 And the same goes for chicken wings. 4146 03:15:10,933 --> 03:15:12,684 It's more than steak now. 4147 03:15:12,685 --> 03:15:14,932 You know, it's because we eat this 4148 03:15:14,933 --> 03:15:17,851 and we're going to buy it, you know, so... 4149 03:15:17,852 --> 03:15:19,392 So it's a lot of that going on, 4150 03:15:19,393 --> 03:15:22,308 but it's almost every single aspect 4151 03:15:22,309 --> 03:15:25,267 of our lives are hit some kind of way. 4152 03:15:25,268 --> 03:15:27,767 WOMAN: We talk about these things that we need 4153 03:15:27,768 --> 03:15:29,684 for our children in the communities, 4154 03:15:29,685 --> 03:15:33,600 but we don't have 'em in the communities for them. 4155 03:15:33,601 --> 03:15:37,600 We don't have this... these tapes 4156 03:15:37,601 --> 03:15:41,642 that show and tell their true history. 4157 03:15:41,643 --> 03:15:44,392 The only thing we have available for them 4158 03:15:44,393 --> 03:15:50,350 are textbooks that tell them untruths. 4159 03:15:50,351 --> 03:15:51,226 Like McGraw Hill, 4160 03:15:51,227 --> 03:15:54,809 they're still printing untruths about our lives. 4161 03:15:54,810 --> 03:15:55,726 MAN: Would you tell everyone 4162 03:15:55,727 --> 03:15:57,267 about what happened with McGraw Hill, 4163 03:15:57,268 --> 03:15:58,932 because it's an interesting example. 4164 03:15:58,933 --> 03:16:02,517 Okay, McGraw Hill, we spend millions, billions of dollars 4165 03:16:02,518 --> 03:16:06,932 across our country, giving them the right 4166 03:16:06,933 --> 03:16:09,100 to write textbooks that we use 4167 03:16:09,101 --> 03:16:12,392 to educate our children on a daily basis. 4168 03:16:12,393 --> 03:16:18,932 So they wrote a textbook, and in it, it mentioned, 4169 03:16:18,933 --> 03:16:21,183 it was a section about slavery 4170 03:16:21,184 --> 03:16:23,809 and it said something to the effect, 4171 03:16:23,810 --> 03:16:24,892 I don't want to quote, 4172 03:16:24,893 --> 03:16:32,434 but the slaves came to America as workers 4173 03:16:32,435 --> 03:16:36,932 to lighten the load, but the thing that... 4174 03:16:36,933 --> 03:16:42,600 The significant point is when it... they were contacted, 4175 03:16:42,601 --> 03:16:44,142 they said that they did it 4176 03:16:44,143 --> 03:16:48,183 and they will only change the writing 4177 03:16:48,184 --> 03:16:52,142 if someone calls them and asks. 4178 03:16:52,143 --> 03:16:55,392 So if you haven't heard about it, 4179 03:16:55,393 --> 03:16:57,809 your schools haven't heard about it, 4180 03:16:57,810 --> 03:16:59,851 the books won't be changed. 4181 03:16:59,852 --> 03:17:01,559 So this is information 4182 03:17:01,560 --> 03:17:05,183 that we are allowing our children to hear 4183 03:17:05,184 --> 03:17:06,809 because the Department of Ed, 4184 03:17:06,810 --> 03:17:09,642 they have a big contract with McGraw Hill. 4185 03:17:09,643 --> 03:17:12,308 Yeah, so... So what do we do about that? 4186 03:17:12,309 --> 03:17:13,932 So McGraw Hill, in a geography book, 4187 03:17:13,933 --> 03:17:18,225 as you just described, describes, on a section, 4188 03:17:18,226 --> 03:17:20,932 immigration, and it's looking at 4189 03:17:20,933 --> 03:17:23,642 how this diverse, very diverse country, 4190 03:17:23,643 --> 03:17:26,851 a nation, that we often say, of immigrants, 4191 03:17:26,852 --> 03:17:27,932 where did its people come from? 4192 03:17:27,933 --> 03:17:30,600 And it's pitched to a ninth grade audience 4193 03:17:30,601 --> 03:17:33,932 of social studies students learning geography, 4194 03:17:33,933 --> 03:17:35,100 and in the section that looks at 4195 03:17:35,101 --> 03:17:36,932 the southeast corner of the United States 4196 03:17:36,933 --> 03:17:39,600 it's purple, meant to denote African Americans. 4197 03:17:39,601 --> 03:17:42,933 And there's a little bubble that jumps out and says, 4198 03:17:42,934 --> 03:17:46,933 between the 1500s and 1800s, immigrants from Africa 4199 03:17:46,934 --> 03:17:51,892 came to work in the southeast part of the country. 4200 03:17:51,893 --> 03:17:52,932 I'm paraphrasing. 4201 03:17:52,933 --> 03:17:54,517 Literally referred to immigrants... 4202 03:17:54,518 --> 03:17:56,600 black people as immigrant workers. 4203 03:17:56,601 --> 03:17:57,351 WOMAN: Workers, yeah. 4204 03:17:57,352 --> 03:17:59,517 Now, that was egregious enough, 4205 03:17:59,518 --> 03:18:01,932 but the irony, that in the passage 4206 03:18:01,933 --> 03:18:03,684 referencing indentured servants 4207 03:18:03,685 --> 03:18:07,851 to explain how people of lower economic status 4208 03:18:07,852 --> 03:18:10,892 from England and Australia arrived here, 4209 03:18:10,893 --> 03:18:15,100 said that indentured servants came and often had to work, 4210 03:18:15,101 --> 03:18:18,642 had to do difficult work for little or no pay. 4211 03:18:18,643 --> 03:18:23,434 So in reference to the quality of their experience 4212 03:18:23,435 --> 03:18:27,100 and their recompense for their contribution, 4213 03:18:27,101 --> 03:18:29,183 there's actually a qualitative judgment 4214 03:18:29,184 --> 03:18:30,932 about what happened to indentured servants 4215 03:18:30,933 --> 03:18:35,100 and nothing with reference to people of African descent. 4216 03:18:35,101 --> 03:18:37,142 And it is hard to justify this. 4217 03:18:37,143 --> 03:18:39,183 There's a page of advisors. 4218 03:18:39,184 --> 03:18:42,851 There's an editorial board, and unfortunately 4219 03:18:42,852 --> 03:18:46,350 Texas is where this textbook was being used, 4220 03:18:46,351 --> 03:18:48,684 which is the largest textbook market in the country 4221 03:18:48,685 --> 03:18:51,225 and this happens, you know, in 2015. 4222 03:18:51,226 --> 03:18:51,933 The one thing I'll say, 4223 03:18:51,934 --> 03:18:54,392 and this is a very exceptional thing to say, 4224 03:18:54,393 --> 03:18:54,933 but it is true. 4225 03:18:54,934 --> 03:18:57,932 This community happens to be very different than many others. 4226 03:18:57,933 --> 03:18:59,932 You do have the Schomburg Center. 4227 03:18:59,933 --> 03:19:01,058 WOMAN: Yes. 4228 03:19:01,059 --> 03:19:01,934 So, you do have a place 4229 03:19:01,935 --> 03:19:04,016 where you can spend the rest of your life 4230 03:19:04,017 --> 03:19:06,725 and sending your children there for the rest of their lives 4231 03:19:06,726 --> 03:19:08,932 to learn the truth, and the truth is complicated, 4232 03:19:08,933 --> 03:19:12,308 but you certainly can draw upon the collective wisdom 4233 03:19:12,309 --> 03:19:13,559 of people who have thought deeply 4234 03:19:13,560 --> 03:19:16,932 and paid very close attention to the historical record 4235 03:19:16,933 --> 03:19:18,933 to correct the mythologies and lies 4236 03:19:18,934 --> 03:19:22,058 about people of African descent in this country. 4237 03:19:22,059 --> 03:19:22,726 So we know that, 4238 03:19:22,727 --> 03:19:25,932 you know, the average woman makes 77 cents on the dollar 4239 03:19:25,933 --> 03:19:26,852 that the average man makes. 4240 03:19:26,853 --> 03:19:28,600 The black woman makes 62 cents on the dollar 4241 03:19:28,601 --> 03:19:30,308 for every dollar that a white man makes 4242 03:19:30,309 --> 03:19:32,559 and even less than her white counterpart. 4243 03:19:32,560 --> 03:19:34,933 So are you supposed to walk into the marketplace 4244 03:19:34,934 --> 03:19:37,225 and say "Yeah, pay me less than everybody else?" 4245 03:19:37,226 --> 03:19:39,308 Or are you supposed to say, "I want to be part 4246 03:19:39,309 --> 03:19:41,725 "of making sure that the women who come behind me 4247 03:19:41,726 --> 03:19:46,642 are paid equally for their contribution to our economy"? 4248 03:19:46,643 --> 03:19:47,435 So that's troubling. 4249 03:19:47,436 --> 03:19:48,892 And I'm not sure where that came from 4250 03:19:48,893 --> 03:19:52,392 other than this notion that there's a price to be paid 4251 03:19:52,393 --> 03:19:55,142 for standing up for justice and inequality. 4252 03:19:55,143 --> 03:19:56,017 And that's certainly true. 4253 03:19:56,018 --> 03:20:00,058 But if we don't teach our kids at an earlier date 4254 03:20:00,059 --> 03:20:03,016 something different about privileging values 4255 03:20:03,017 --> 03:20:04,932 in how we govern ourselves in the world 4256 03:20:04,933 --> 03:20:06,016 and how we think about people 4257 03:20:06,017 --> 03:20:07,725 and how we relate to one another, 4258 03:20:07,726 --> 03:20:09,932 then I'm afraid we will be reproducing 4259 03:20:09,933 --> 03:20:13,309 the same outcomes as we move forward. 4260 03:20:21,768 --> 03:20:26,017 (chattering) 4261 03:20:27,601 --> 03:20:31,058 EDMUND DE WAAL: But I fell in love with this man 4262 03:20:31,059 --> 03:20:32,932 who wanted to understand the world 4263 03:20:32,933 --> 03:20:36,016 and he's an extraordinary person 4264 03:20:36,017 --> 03:20:37,058 who leads me towards porcelain. 4265 03:20:37,059 --> 03:20:38,975 Tschirnhaus thinks that it's possible 4266 03:20:38,976 --> 03:20:42,851 to analyze the products of the arts 4267 03:20:42,852 --> 03:20:44,932 in a philosophical manner 4268 03:20:44,933 --> 03:20:47,851 that boats and bridges and buildings 4269 03:20:47,852 --> 03:20:51,932 should be considered as the arts of invention. 4270 03:20:51,933 --> 03:20:53,559 These objects can train 4271 03:20:53,560 --> 03:20:57,183 what he calls the active imagination. 4272 03:20:57,184 --> 03:20:58,143 Because they exhibit 4273 03:20:58,144 --> 03:21:01,308 all the possibilities of imagination. 4274 03:21:01,309 --> 03:21:02,932 In fact, I realize, 4275 03:21:02,933 --> 03:21:06,308 he takes on the world as possibility. 4276 03:21:06,309 --> 03:21:07,892 As you walk down the street 4277 03:21:07,893 --> 03:21:09,932 there's nothing in the material world 4278 03:21:09,933 --> 03:21:12,933 that you encounter that cannot be brought 4279 03:21:12,934 --> 03:21:15,932 into this space of reflection, 4280 03:21:15,933 --> 03:21:17,933 and at each point of this reflection 4281 03:21:17,934 --> 03:21:21,142 as you pause and look with dedication, 4282 03:21:21,143 --> 03:21:23,642 at this lamppost, this gateway, 4283 03:21:23,643 --> 03:21:27,267 you recreate the manner of its creation. 4284 03:21:27,268 --> 03:21:30,475 You move through the series of actions 4285 03:21:30,476 --> 03:21:33,809 that caused it to come into being. 4286 03:21:33,810 --> 03:21:36,475 And above all, he's interested, he writes, 4287 03:21:36,476 --> 03:21:39,559 in how to obtain what should be observed 4288 03:21:39,560 --> 03:21:43,932 in the first mode of the formation of things. 4289 03:21:43,933 --> 03:21:46,975 How something comes into being is critical. 4290 03:21:46,976 --> 03:21:48,892 It's a kind of poiesis. 4291 03:21:48,893 --> 03:21:52,016 And when I read this, my heart swells. 4292 03:21:52,017 --> 03:21:53,725 This is my rubric, 4293 03:21:53,726 --> 03:21:56,600 of my journey to my white hills, 4294 03:21:56,601 --> 03:21:58,517 this tracing of the first formation 4295 03:21:58,518 --> 03:22:02,725 of porcelain from white earth into something else. 4296 03:22:02,726 --> 03:22:07,058 Tschirnhaus is describing with a passionate lucidity 4297 03:22:07,059 --> 03:22:09,600 the value of looking and thinking 4298 03:22:09,601 --> 03:22:12,183 about how an object 4299 03:22:12,184 --> 03:22:14,183 as an idea comes into being. 4300 03:22:14,184 --> 03:22:15,434 Primo Levi, 4301 03:22:15,435 --> 03:22:17,392 my hero, wrote in The Wrench 4302 03:22:17,393 --> 03:22:20,851 of the advantage of being able to test yourself, 4303 03:22:20,852 --> 03:22:22,932 not depending on others in the test, 4304 03:22:22,933 --> 03:22:24,933 reflecting yourself in your work, 4305 03:22:24,934 --> 03:22:27,932 on the pleasure of seeing your creature grow, 4306 03:22:27,933 --> 03:22:30,267 beam after beam, bolt after bolt. 4307 03:22:30,268 --> 03:22:35,851 Necessary, symmetrical, suited to purpose, 4308 03:22:35,852 --> 03:22:37,932 by which Primo Levi, a chemist 4309 03:22:37,933 --> 03:22:41,142 who spent his working life analyzing paint 4310 03:22:41,143 --> 03:22:42,932 as well as being a writer, 4311 03:22:42,933 --> 03:22:45,892 means that method is interesting. 4312 03:22:45,893 --> 03:22:48,892 Be very, very careful when you describe 4313 03:22:48,893 --> 03:22:51,642 how something is made, how it comes into shape, 4314 03:22:51,643 --> 03:22:54,975 as process is not to be skated over. 4315 03:22:54,976 --> 03:22:56,809 The manner of what we make 4316 03:22:56,810 --> 03:22:58,976 defines us. 4317 03:22:59,933 --> 03:23:03,975 INTERVIEWER: Music and your work. 4318 03:23:03,976 --> 03:23:06,559 Music occupies your life... 4319 03:23:06,560 --> 03:23:09,600 Yes. and you work to it. 4320 03:23:09,601 --> 03:23:13,225 And it was this wonderful piece 4321 03:23:13,226 --> 03:23:15,600 that I read where you talk about 4322 03:23:15,601 --> 03:23:20,100 the various musical moments that mattered to you 4323 03:23:20,101 --> 03:23:23,267 from Keith Jarret to Purcell 4324 03:23:23,268 --> 03:23:26,768 to the piece we're going to listen to if we could. 4325 03:23:28,601 --> 03:23:33,017 (piano music plays) 4326 03:23:49,933 --> 03:23:56,101 ♪ ♪ 4327 03:24:08,933 --> 03:24:12,933 ♪ ♪ 4328 03:24:33,893 --> 03:24:36,142 ANNOUNCER: Ex Libris is available on DVD. 4329 03:24:36,143 --> 03:24:42,934 To order, visit Shop.PBS.org or call 1-800-PLAY-PBS. 4330 03:24:47,933 --> 03:24:50,601 ♪ ♪ 326632

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