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什么是兴化人？
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什么是兴安人？
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今天我们如果去中国 我们要叫莆田人
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但是如果按照我们的祖籍
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我们还是要叫兴化人
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然后还要把这几个讲清楚
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对 对
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要不然大家就是有一点点
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就是
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外省籍 或者是其他籍贯
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就是不太搞得清楚
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对 even
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你去找兴安
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找不到我们的家乡
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对 对
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你去地图里面search 找不到我们家乡
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现在的 当代百度地图找不到的
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你找兴化也找不到的
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我站在我们是南洋的这个角度来看
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我们对传统的这个祖先
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所带来的这个名称
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我们很喜欢
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所以我们保留
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南来之路
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漫长的思乡之情
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是一曲深情的旋律
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流淌在每一个兴化人的心间
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马六甲兴化人回首来时路
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心中充满了无尽的感慨
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他们曾是那些勇敢
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南渡的先辈的传承者
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踏上未知的旅程
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穿越千山万水
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只为在异国他乡寻找更好的生活
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而今 当他们回首来时路
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这是一段深沉的历程
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一份执着的传承
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如同星空中的恒星
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照亮着前行的路
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那谈一谈这个兴化人到马六甲
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这个移民史
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的过程
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兴化人到马六甲 应该是
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战后吧
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战后
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那时候 这么晚了
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应该 比较迟
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来的 这么晚 比较迟
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可能如果从那个出家人来讲
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他会比较早
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但是他不成为一个社群
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人数不多
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跟我们海南人有得一拼
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对 我们也是很晚才到的
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很迟 我们是算是比较迟
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马六甲的这个兴安人
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有好多都是姓吴的 姓吴的
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鹅头村村民姓氏多为吴氏
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属渤海后裔
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历史悠久
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鹅头村位于莆田市秀屿区埭头镇北面
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鹅头山（亦称鳌山）上
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地形酷似鹅头一样
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相传是“鹅穴”
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此鹅头自唐末黄滔、罗隐等游大蚶山后
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渐有名气
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宋代逐渐兴旺起来
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由于其地理位置优越
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港内风平浪静
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码头低平
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船一靠码头极容易装卸货物
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真是个好港口
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于是整个鹅头港 船桅林立
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鹅头山商贸云集
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商行 货栈应运而生了
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鹅头成了莆仙货物集散地
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到目前为止
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我所知道的鹅头村到今天还是单姓
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只有姓吴
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鹅头村在那个时候差不多只有7,000人
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那么有好多
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可能在19世纪末
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20世纪初的时候就开始南来
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那个时候可能是中国内乱
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还是有遇到什么
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一些其他战乱的情况
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所以很多就逃离了故乡 来到了东南亚
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那么在马六甲 这个情况是比较特殊
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因为这个村庄的人
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主要都是你介绍我 我介绍你
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都来到了马六甲
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落地生根
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在马六甲 整万人
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已经是超越了我们原来
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故乡的这个人口
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所以马六甲兴安会馆
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的会员
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有很多是姓吴的兴化人
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其实这些姓吴的都是一家人
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我们的家乡在福建省
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莆田县埭头镇鹅头村
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整个村都是村民
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都是大家彼此认识的
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可以说是自己人
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所以我们经常回乡
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每次组团回乡呢 我们鹅头村的
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子女是最多的
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也是最热闹的
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南洋海外华人视寻根为珍贵使命
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这是对文化传承和身份认同的追求
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寻根 是对中华文化的深爱
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也是对祖先智慧的敬仰
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在南洋
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寻根不仅是连接过去与现在的桥梁
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更是促进两地共同发展的纽带
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这种追求传承了传统美德
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为后代铺就了坚实文化基因
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这是一场跨越时空的寻根之旅
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一个寻找身份认同的美丽传承
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我觉得这个很重要
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就是我们懂我们的根
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知道我们的祖先是从中国南来的
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那么我们虽然在这里
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土生土长
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而我的父亲是中国人
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中国来的移民
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以我的个案
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只是说第二代而已
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我的父亲
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15岁的时候
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就跟他的妈妈一起下南洋来
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所以我们
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也要灌输 我们的家庭
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我们孩子
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让他们知道我们的祖先是从哪里来的
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所以会馆这个平台
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就可以让我们保护
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护根的作用 就自然而然地产生
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我们不是个人 而是一个集体
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这个集体就是这些来自
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中国哪一个村落的人 一起来到这里
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我们还跟那个村落保持很好的联系
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很多还没加入会馆的一些同乡们
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他们根本
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不知道他们的籍贯
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他们的根 所谓的根
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所以加入了会馆之后
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那么比方说我们回到了莆田
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我们原来的家乡 老家
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所以你就多少知道你的根在哪里
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加入会馆
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能够受惠的
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肯定会更了解你本身原来的根
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最大的成长就是大家
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都非常热爱我们这个会馆
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所以我们共同点 就是为了会馆
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而更加
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紧密地在一起 把会馆做得更好
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是这样
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请教你们两位前辈
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你知道我们现在其实已经没有
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兴化这个地名了
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现在反而是莆田这个地名比较有名
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所以请你们两位来介绍一下
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到底这个
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兴化 还有一个叫兴安
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然后到后来现在中国的这个
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行政区划分以后
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这个兴化已经没有了
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只剩下莆田市
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连仙游好像也被并进去了
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这个过程是怎样的
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说来话长
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先回到宋朝
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当年这边算是南方 算是蛮荒地带
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那时候一直造反
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后来平定了 宋太宗有个提议
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他说要把这个地方取名为兴化
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所以当今天我们讲到兴化的时候
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很多我们的长辈都会讲
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当年我们觉得兴化这名字好像不太好
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兴起来 突然怎么就化无了
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哈哈哈哈
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我们可以自称兴化人
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可是我的会馆要叫兴化会馆
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有点geli
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真的
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但是有 还是有
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一些会馆叫兴化会馆
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宋朝那时候称兴化的时候
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它的意义真的是所谓兴了就化掉了吗
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应该不是吧 应该不是吧
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它是教化人民的意思
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有点像迪化
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早期那个乌鲁木齐他们叫
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迪化就是这个意思
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他是说
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是希望教化
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当初的教化
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统治了以后呢
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推广儒家的文化
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因为当时
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认为南方是属于南蛮
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没有教化
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宋朝过来的时候
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想要感化当地的这些山林人
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就希望他
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感化他 非常有趣
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更有趣的是兴安
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因为我们从宋朝
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几乎到民国的时代
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这个地区
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大概不管怎样
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换行政者 区域名字
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都叫兴化
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兴安只出现7个月
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在宋末的时候
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就说在元代以后又开始恢复兴化了
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7个月
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可是后来我们的海外兴化人呢
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都把这些会馆叫兴安会馆
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为什么 有什么感受
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大概是兴了要安
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安
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安居乐业吧
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喜欢这个字
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大家不知道兴化的原意
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知道后 看大家现在都用兴化会馆
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那没关系
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但是在这个兴化
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或者兴安的这个区域里面
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当初最重要是有两个县
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一个是莆田县 一个是仙游县
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兴化是更高的行政区
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兴化府
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下面有两个县
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就是莆田和仙游
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然后大概就是民国初它被裁了
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以后呢 没有兴化府这个
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没有兴化府了
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但是有莆田县和仙游县
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直到了1984年
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中华人民共和国 国务院下令
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把这个莆田升格为市
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然后还成立一些城区
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再把仙游作为一个县并进去
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所以今天的中国呢
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所谓的这个闽中地带
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我们马来西亚很多福建人
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其实叫闽南
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我们兴化的是闽中
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然后中部
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如果按照
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现在中国行政区划分
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其实就要叫莆田
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莆田人
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不能叫兴化人
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我们是兴化人
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但是我们跟莆田的渊源是一直
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保持不断密切的
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那么我们这边是很多会馆
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成立的时候就成为兴安会馆
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也有少数兴化公会
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也有的
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比较少 那么还有另外一个称呼
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是福莆仙公会 就是多一个福字
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莆田 仙游
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福清 福清也算
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地理上福清
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是 是 是
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地理上福清
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属于福州
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福清很大
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福清呢
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因为他们那边都是讲莆田话
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所以感情上 下南洋时候
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就当作是一家人
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其实我对你们
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今天这个谜团的解开
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是非常感谢的
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因为我以前一直想不通
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为什么它会在这个
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城镇
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划分的时候 会把这个兴化拿走
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现在我明白了
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原来
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兴化自己本身是没有占据一个地方的
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它其实就是两个地方的合成
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兴化人又以兴化这个名称
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引以为傲
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有时候认同自己是仙游的时候
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可是又以兴化引以为傲
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所以还是祖先的传承呢
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大家就不会想说立刻就把它抛弃
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可能他会直接讲我是仙游
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或者我是莆田
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但如果统称的话就是我们兴化人
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他有个分别 统称
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要不然的话他好像找不到个统称
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当然现在可以了
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我们莆田人是 因为仙游并进去了
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仙游人的感受应该是
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应该是有另外一种感受
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有一点感受
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本来我们两个是平起平坐
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现在我在你里面
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我站在我们是南洋的这个角度来看
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我们对我们传统的这个
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祖先带来这个名称
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我们很喜欢
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所以我们保留
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但是我们不会和主乡断绝关系
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而是保持更好的密切交流
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马六甲是作为一个例子
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就是他们的会馆
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跟莆田保持非常好的
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联系 这些都有
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然后你看他们在这边的特点
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所以我那天跟吴添福局绅就讲过
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其实马六甲兴化人的特点
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需要把它彰显出来
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老一辈南洋移民
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怀揣着深沉的思乡之情
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他们在异乡生活
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心系家乡
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对故土怀念之情无时不在
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这份思乡之情
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是对家庭 文化和传统的深厚眷恋
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也是对曾经根植的土地的眷顾和眷念
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这股强烈的思乡情愫
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激励着他们传承文化
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守护传统
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我们这个祖母 包括我的母亲
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他们非常 非常思念家乡
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时常都会跟我们提起一些
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小时候在中国所过的一些日子
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贫苦 非常
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艰难的一些日子
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比方说他们的锅
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只能够用那个
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猪的肥肉部分
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拿来刷一刷
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就只有那一层的油拿来煮炒
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所以我们可以想象 当时
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的那个概况 是怎么样的
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所以 我们都明白
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都能够了解到
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她们是非常 非常的困苦
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所以才逃到马来西亚过来
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所以逃到这里 是逼不得已
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时常
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她们都会想起在家乡的一些亲戚
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尤其是我的妈妈
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非常想念她的哥哥
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因为她只有一个哥哥
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南来之后 因为政局的改变
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变成她已经无法再回到中国
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等到她可以回去
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我们马来西亚跟中国有邦交之后
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我的这个大舅 已经是去世了
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所以这个是一个 非常惨痛的一个经历
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她本来就是说来
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就是暂时性来这边居住
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政治的变迁 变成她们回不了
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所以就定居下来
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原来的原意是要回去
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马中邦交之后
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她就开始 时常有回中国
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这个可以说是非常庆幸的一环
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她有机会再回去
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再寻找她小时候的知己
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小时候的老朋友
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她感到非常 非常地幸运
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及开心 她也非常高龄了
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所以 难得有这个机会回到莆田
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那么多次
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吴林亚砚
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于1948年2月14日从莆田抵达马六甲
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从她的口述南来历程中
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我们能窥探到当时
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南来者的艰辛和不易
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她的故事是对那个时代南洋移民
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艰难经历的生动见证
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第二几月里
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一月底
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22 第二六吼海力山港必写兴安社
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海力胜呐有达有有山港必必写兴安人
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搁欲用普林
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普林会写有
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抱恁的满哝
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抱恁的满啊
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哈哈哈哈
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即斗煮即斗社咯哈
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嗯甲许兴安社会煮无
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我奶奶讲啰理一小半年啰
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着搁转五转明仔会载理啰
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换即斗嗯袂使考虑用
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嗯嗯嗯嗯嗯使有用
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啊只是只是逃难一段时候
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猪诶猪诶说4到减嘛6到
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吼2月14号嗯倒满6只
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若一一啊说猪诶
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414-46到节嘛
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六代迄个倒卖啊
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伊伊我年头来正月来伊伊说低位来哦
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就是说她是2月14
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到马六甲
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当年1948年2月14到马六甲
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然后我的奶奶 是在12月之后
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也跟着来
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就是同一年的年尾才过来
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同一年
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一直一直看广看广往屋里吼是真艰苦
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嗯哦变做有人学学海练
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甚物有甚物化仙代理遐哩跳海啦
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甚物有无
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哦说你孙恁人破嘛是安孙诶
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哦哦哦
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是安
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是安孙诶啊
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去安抚文人啊
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无偿是我好孩认为对啊
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就是说 因为当时可能她的情况
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不是很好 卫生条件不好
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所以有些人病故 病死在床上
433
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所以如果病死的话
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变成他们为了要
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因为卫生的问题
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就把他丢去海上
437
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就在海上把那个尸体丢掉了
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真济人后尾散
439
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哎往往都到马拉甲
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头年多点
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大厝人啊
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吼大厝人
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Bunga Raya Pantai
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联邦戏院那边
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联邦戏院
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后面 那边
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以前居住很多莆田人
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拆来去许二楼
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最早期的兴安会馆的这个地址
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他们买的
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那个建筑物就是靠近我们
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莆田人居住的地方
453
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没错 就是在Bunga Raya
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他们住的地方叫Bunga Raya Pantai
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105岁的何凤喜女士 当初从莆田南来
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最初在新加坡登岸
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然后辗转迁徙至马六甲
459
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然而 她的一个女儿没有能够跟随而来
460
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留在了莆田
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每当看到女儿的照片
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老人家的眼泪
463
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就会不由自主地涌上眼眶
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悲伤和愧疚交织在心间
465
00:20:52,666 --> 00:20:54,299
说到第一次回乡
466
00:20:54,533 --> 00:20:55,766
那时我还小
467
00:20:55,900 --> 00:20:58,066
我应该是在读中学的时候
468
00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,200
马来西亚还没有跟中国邦交
469
00:21:01,733 --> 00:21:02,666
还没邦交
470
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,766
那个时候要回去
471
00:21:04,766 --> 00:21:07,133
是非常 非常地困难
472
00:21:07,133 --> 00:21:11,466
我有替我的妈妈她们做那个immigration
473
00:21:11,466 --> 00:21:12,299
就是
474
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,566
移民厅的这些申请
475
00:21:16,733 --> 00:21:20,399
因为他要有这个信件的来往
476
00:21:20,566 --> 00:21:23,366
中国来的信 我们送去的信
477
00:21:23,466 --> 00:21:25,599
最少要有6封来的信
478
00:21:25,666 --> 00:21:30,899
我们6封回去的信来证明你有至亲
479
00:21:31,666 --> 00:21:32,266
至亲的意思
480
00:21:32,266 --> 00:21:36,266
这里就是说你一定还有活着的
481
00:21:36,266 --> 00:21:39,266
父母或者是兄弟姐妹
482
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:40,866
或者是丈夫
483
00:21:41,166 --> 00:21:42,733
你的另外一半
484
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,100
在这样的情况之下 有这样亲戚关系
485
00:21:46,666 --> 00:21:48,466
的情况之下的书信
486
00:21:48,466 --> 00:21:49,666
来往
487
00:21:50,300 --> 00:21:53,200
当时的内政部才能够批准
488
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,700
所以我有带我的妈妈去内政部
489
00:21:56,766 --> 00:21:58,733
公安部和移民厅
490
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,166
三个部门 那个时候要去申请
491
00:22:02,466 --> 00:22:04,299
申请了半年有余
492
00:22:04,466 --> 00:22:07,099
超过半年 后来才获得批准
493
00:22:07,533 --> 00:22:09,966
那么批准之后
494
00:22:10,466 --> 00:22:12,566
才拿到这个批准信
495
00:22:12,866 --> 00:22:15,533
我还记得 我那个时候还开车
496
00:22:16,666 --> 00:22:20,366
载我的妈妈 还有她6位朋友
497
00:22:20,700 --> 00:22:22,533
都是女士们
498
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:23,666
一起回乡
499
00:22:24,500 --> 00:22:27,666
然后我记得 我载她们
500
00:22:27,666 --> 00:22:29,399
送她们到新加坡
501
00:22:29,733 --> 00:22:33,799
从新加坡的港口 乘坐一辆货船
502
00:22:33,933 --> 00:22:35,666
那个时候还没有邦交
503
00:22:35,766 --> 00:22:40,199
所以从新加坡坐货船回去汕头
504
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,333
她们是下汕头
505
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,733
然后才从汕头 再坐车还是火车
506
00:22:45,900 --> 00:22:48,733
回到我们福建省的莆田
507
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,533
所以那个时候我的父母
508
00:22:52,866 --> 00:22:54,099
要回去那一趟
509
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,266
真的是非常 非常地困难
510
00:22:56,500 --> 00:22:58,600
他们一共回去了28天
511
00:22:59,100 --> 00:23:01,866
28天就是 他的行程
512
00:23:01,866 --> 00:23:04,366
单单在船上的那个
513
00:23:04,366 --> 00:23:08,399
行程 都要差不多去大概七八天
514
00:23:08,666 --> 00:23:10,666
然后要回来又是一个七八天
515
00:23:10,866 --> 00:23:11,999
所以真正在
516
00:23:12,266 --> 00:23:15,866
中国那段旅游的时间
517
00:23:15,966 --> 00:23:17,099
探亲的时间
518
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,533
大概就是只有十四五天罢了 半个月
519
00:23:21,533 --> 00:23:22,333
我还
520
00:23:22,666 --> 00:23:25,999
牢牢记得 他们回去的时候用的还是
521
00:23:27,266 --> 00:23:31,099
外汇卷 那个时候人民币还没有公开
522
00:23:31,100 --> 00:23:33,400
我们还不能用人民币
523
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,900
我们早期回去的这些
524
00:23:36,900 --> 00:23:38,066
旅客
525
00:23:38,166 --> 00:23:40,099
回到莆田 回到中国
526
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,400
也都只能在一个叫做人民广场
527
00:23:44,100 --> 00:23:44,933
人民市场
528
00:23:44,933 --> 00:23:47,499
还是什么人民广场的一些地方
529
00:23:47,500 --> 00:23:48,566
买一些东西
530
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,566
其他的地方 我们都不能够过去
531
00:23:51,566 --> 00:23:52,699
货币不流通
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