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Narrator: DID THREE CHILDREN
RECEIVE A PROPHECY IN FáTIMA
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IN PORTUGAL IN 1917
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THAT FORETOLD
THE DATE OF THE APOCALYPSE?
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DID IT WARN OF A PLAGUE AND
THE DESTRUCTION OF THE CHURCH?
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AND HAS THE VATICAN
COVERED IT UP
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FOR NEARLY A CENTURY?
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Gough:
IF THE APPARITIONS WERE TRUE,
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THE ONLY POSSIBLE EXPLANATION
IS THAT IT WAS APOCALYPTIC
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OR DEALT WITH
THE END OF THE CHURCH.
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Victorino: THEY SAW SOMETHING
THEY OFFICIALIZED TO BE
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A RELIGIOUS SIGHTING,
THE HOLY MARY IN THIS CASE.
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SO, DEFINITELY, I THINK THAT
THEY MAY HAVE SEEN SOMETHING.
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Howells: MALACHY'S PROPHECY
STATES THAT THIS FINAL POPE,
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POPE FRANCIS,
IS THE FINAL POPE.
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Hesemann: THERE'S NOTHING
MORE HORRIBLE THAN THE CONTENT
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OF THE THIRD SECRET OF FáTIMA.
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THE DESTRUCTION,
THE TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF ROME
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AND THE MURDER, AN ATTACK,
A MURDEROUS ATTACK,
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ON THE ROMAN COURIER
AND THE POPE HIMSELF.
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DISCOVERY COMMUNICATIONS
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Narrator: HERE IN FáTIMA,
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ON SIX OCCASIONS
BETWEEN MAY AND OCTOBER 1917,
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IT IS SAID THAT
THE VIRGIN MARY APPEARED TO
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THREE YOUNG
PORTUGUESE CHILDREN...
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LúCIA SANTOS
AND HER TWO COUSINS,
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FRANCISCO AND JACINTA.
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ACCORDING TO THE OFFICIAL
CATHOLIC INTERPRETATION
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OF THE PROPHECIES,
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THEY INVOLVED HELL,
TWO WORLD WARS,
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AND THE ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT
ON JOHN PAUL II.
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TWO OF THE SECRETS
WERE REVEALED IN 1941
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IN A DOCUMENT WRITTEN BY LúCIA
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AT THE REQUEST OF
HER LOCAL BISHOP.
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WHEN HE ASKED HER TO REVEAL
THE THIRD SECRET,
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SHE APPARENTLY HESITATED,
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WROTE THE SECRET DOWN,
AND SEALED IT IN AN ENVELOPE,
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SAYING THAT IT WAS NOT
TO BE OPENED UNTIL 1960.
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THAT DATE CAME AND WENT
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WITH THE VATICAN REFUSING
TO REVEAL ITS CONTENTS.
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JOURNALIST JAMIE THEAKSTON
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WANTS TO GET TO
THE BOTTOM OF THE MYSTERY
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AND FIND OUT THE ANSWERS
TO TWO FUNDAMENTAL QUESTIONS...
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HAS THE VATICAN SOMEHOW
COVERED UP THE TRUTH,
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AND, IF SO, WHY?
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Fanthorpe:
THE FIRST TWO SECRETS WERE
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PRETTY CLEAR AND
STRAIGHTFORWARD,
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DEALING WITH THE FIRST
AND SECOND WORLD WARS.
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NOW, THE THIRD SECRET,
AS WE REMEMBER IT,
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WAS SENT TO THE VATICAN,
ALLEGEDLY,
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ON A SINGLE SHEET OF PAPER
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WHICH THE LITTLE GIRL, WOMAN
THAT SHE WAS THEN, WROTE OUT.
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SHE HAD BEEN VERY RELUCTANT
TO WRITE THAT THIRD SECRET.
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I STRONGLY SUSPECT
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THAT SOMETHING VERY STRANGE
HAPPENED TO IT.
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AND THE BASIS OF MY SUSPICION IS
THE DESCRIPTIONS THAT WERE GIVEN
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BY VARIOUS
HIGH-RANKING OFFICIALS
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ABOUT WHAT WAS IN THE ENVELOPE.
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ALLEGEDLY, SHE HAD WRITTEN
NO MORE THAN 25 OR 30 LINES
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ON A SINGLE SHEET OF PAPER.
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THERE WAS EVIDENCE
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OF FOUR SHEETS OF PAPER
BEING FOUND.
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NOW, THAT'S THE FIRST
BIG QUESTION MARK
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THAT LEAPS INTO YOUR MIND.
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Prince: THE VATICAN,
OVER THE YEARS,
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OVER THE CENTURIES,
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HAS PROVED ITSELF
SO, BASICALLY, UNTRUSTWORTHY
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BY MANIPULATING AND CENSORING
AND EDITING INFORMATION
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AND TRYING TO STEER
ALL THE INFORMATION
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IN THE DIRECTION IT WANTS.
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IT BASICALLY CAN'T BE TRUSTED.
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SO, WHATEVER IT SAYS,
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YOU CAN NEVER BE SURE
THAT THEY'RE TELLING THE TRUTH.
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I MEAN,
IN THE VATICAN'S DEFENSE,
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THERE'S NOT MUCH MORE
THEY CAN DO
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TO PERSUADE YOU
THAT THEY'RE TELLING THE TRUTH.
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YOU KNOW, RELEASED EVERYTHING
THEY HAVE.
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BUT THE CHURCH, THE VATICAN, HAS
BEEN CALLED OUT SO MANY TIMES
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EITHER LYING OR BEING, YOU KNOW,
ECONOMICAL WITH THE TRUTH,
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THAT, TODAY, THEY'RE IN
A POSITION WHERE, YOU KNOW,
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WHATEVER THEY SAY, YOU
DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TRUE OR NOT.
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Narrator:
FATHER CARLOS CABENCINHAS
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IS IN CHARGE OF THE BASILICA
IN FáTIMA TODAY.
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HE WELCOMES MILLIONS OF PILGRIMS
AND TOURISTS EVERY YEAR
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AND REFUTES
ANY IDEA OF A COVER-UP.
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Theakston: I'VE SPOKEN TO
A FEW PEOPLE WHO TELL ME
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THAT WHEN SISTER LúCIA
FIRST WROTE IT DOWN,
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IT WAS WRITTEN DOWN
ON ONE PIECE OF PAPER.
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AND WHEN
THE VATICAN REVEALED,
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IT WAS ON
MANY DIFFERENT PIECES OF PAPER.
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HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN
THAT?
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I THINK WE HAVE TO HEAR
WHAT SISTER LúCIA HAS SAID.
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WHEN CARDINAL BERTONE
ASK SISTER LúCIA
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IF ALL SHE WAS WRITING
WAS REVEALED,
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SHE SAID,
"YES. ALL IS REVEALED."
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THAT MEANS THERE ARE
MANY, MANY SPECULATIONS ABOUT
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THESE REVELATIONS,
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THIS PUBLICATION OF
THE THIRD PART OF THE SECRET.
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BUT I DON'T THINK
WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
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WHY DO YOU THINK THE VATICAN
THOUGHT IT IMPORTANT
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TO SUPPRESS
THE THIRD SECRET?
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WHY NOT MAKE IT PUBLIC
AT THE TIME?
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I FIND THAT AS GREAT A MYSTERY
AS THE SECRET ITSELF.
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AND, YET, WHEN WE LOOK AT
THE NUMBER OF THINGS WHICH HAVE,
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OVER THE CENTURIES,
BEEN CONSIDERED AS IMPORTANT
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TO BE KEPT SECRET,
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THERE ARE THOSE WHO FEEL
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THAT CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE
MUST BE KEPT FROM THE PEOPLE.
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TEND TO THINK
THAT THOSE IN POWER,
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BOTH IN THE CHURCH
AND IN POLITICS,
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HAVE A VERY LOW OPINION
OF THE REST OF US.
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AND THERE'S ALWAYS THIS, "OH,
YOU MUSTN'T TELL THE PEOPLE.
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THEY'LL PANIC."
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WELL, I'M DAMNED
IF THEY'LL PANIC.
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I WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING,
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
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Gough: SO MUCH OF THE STORY
IS SUSPICIOUS.
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YOU HAVE TO WONDER
HOW THE CHURCH HAS COUNTERED
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ALL THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES.
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WELL, I'LL TELL YOU
HOW THEY COUNTER IT.
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THEY COUNTER IT WITH
A TRUMP CARD THAT SAYS,
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"WE TOOK THIS NUN,
WE TOOK HER TO VATICAN CITY,
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AND WE BROUGHT HER IN,
AND WE SHOWED HER THE LETTER.
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AND WE SAID,
'SISTER, THIS IS YOURS, RIGHT?'
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AND SHE SAID,
'YES, I WROTE THAT.'"
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BUT IMAGINE.
PUT YOURSELF IN HER SHOES.
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SHE IS REALLY GETTING ON
IN YEARS.
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SHE'S A NUN FROM RURAL PORTUGAL,
AND SHE'S NOW IN VATICAN CITY
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WITH THE MOST POWERFUL PEOPLE
IN HER FAITH.
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AND THEY'RE TELLING HER.
THEY'RE PRESSURING HER.
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THIS IS LIKE
"CSI: VATICAN CITY."
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SHE HAS NO CHOICE.
SHE HAS TO GIVE IN.
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SHE'S PRESSURED.
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UNDOUBTEDLY, SHE SAYS,
"YES, THIS IS WHAT I SAID."
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Narrator:
ONE THING THAT ISN'T A SECRET
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IS THAT THE PROPHECIES
ARE BIG BUSINESS IN FáTIMA.
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IT'S ESTIMATED THAT SOME
FOUR AND A HALF MILLION PEOPLE
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VISIT EVERY YEAR,
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AND IT'S IMPOSSIBLE NOT TO SEE
THE VIRGIN MARY ON EVERYTHING
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FROM MUGS AND TEA TOWELS
TO VIALS OF HOLY WATER.
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JAMIE'S LOCAL GUIDE
AND DRIVER, ALEX,
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HAS SEEN THE TOWN GROW
FROM A SMALL, RURAL COMMUNITY
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INTO THE RELIGIOUS THEME PARK
IT IS TODAY.
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Victorino:
WE ARE NEAR THE BASILICA.
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THIS IS ONE OF
THE MAIN STREETS OF FáTIMA.
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AS YOU CAN SEE,
IT'S FULLY CROWDED.
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AND THEY EVEN HAVE
A WAX MUSEUM
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WITH FIGURES
FROM THE RELIGION,
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LIKE JOHN PAUL II,
THE SHEPHERDS.
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Theakston:
EVERY SHOP LOOKS LIKE
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IT'S SELLING
THE SAME KIND OF STUFF, RIGHT?
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YES. WHAT ELSE?
[ LAUGHS ]
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THEY'RE ALL SELLING DOLLS
OF MARY AND...
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OH, IT MAKES SENSE
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BECAUSE THE MAIN VISITORS HERE
ARE PILGRIMS, DEFINITELY.
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WHEN THEY COME HERE, THEY WANT
TO TAKE SOMETHING WITH THEM.
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SO, WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY
THAT WITHOUT THE PROPHECIES,
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THERE WOULDN'T BE
ANY TOWN?
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YEAH, PROBABLY, THIS WOULD BE
JUST PLAIN FIELDS
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LIKE THEY WERE BEFORE,
YOU KNOW?
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AND, OF COURSE, IT WOULD NOT BE
DEVELOPED LIKE IT IS.
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Gough: FáTIMA IS
THE CHURCH'S DISNEYLAND.
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AND, YES, YOU CAN BUY ROSARIES
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AND THE SORTS OF THINGS
YOU'D EXPECT TO BUY.
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BUT YOU CAN ALSO BUY
FáTIMA TOENAIL CLIPPERS.
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YOU CAN BUY FáTIMA STRAW HATS
AND ANYTHING IN BETWEEN.
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IT IS A MARKETING...
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MARKETER'S DREAM,
WHAT IT HAS BECOME.
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AND THERE'S NO SIGN
OF IT RELENTING.
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IT'S GONNA BE
AND CONTINUE TO BE
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THE SHOWCASE SIGHT
FOR THE CHURCH'S SUPERNATURAL
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FOR DECADES TO COME.
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WHAT'S INTERESTING
IS PORTUGAL AND SPAIN HAVE
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A LONG TRADITION OF APPARITIONS.
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THEY'VE BEEN SEEN
FOR MANY HUNDREDS OF YEARS.
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BUT WHEN I SAY "APPARITIONS,"
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IT'S NOT THE APPEARANCE
OF THE VIRGIN MARY.
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IT'S ANOMALOUS LIGHTS.
IT'S STRANGE THINGS IN THE SKY.
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AND IT'S TRUE.
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THEY HAVE EXISTED IN THAT PART
OF THE WORLD FOR A LONG TIME.
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SO IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE
THAT THESE THREE YOUNG CHILDREN
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EXPERIENCED
THAT NATURAL PHENOMENON,
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REPORTED IT,
AND THE CHURCH WENT,
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"AHA! THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY."
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Narrator: THE INCREDIBLE
MIRACLE OF THE SUN
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THAT 70,000 PEOPLE WITNESSED
IN THE FIELDS OF FáTIMA,
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AND JAMIE MEETS
A COUSIN OF SISTER LúCIA
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WHEN "FORBIDDEN HISTORY"
RETURNS.
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Narrator: JOURNALIST
JAMIE THEAKSTON IS INVESTIGATING
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THE SO-CALLED PROPHECIES
OF FáTIMA.
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IT'S CLAIMED THAT IN 1917,
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THE VIRGIN MARY APPEARED IN SOME
FIELDS TO THREE YOUNG CHILDREN,
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GIVING THEM WARNINGS
ABOUT FUTURE DISASTERS
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TO AFFECT THE CHURCH
AND MANKIND.
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SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE
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THAT THE VATICAN
HAS DELIBERATELY COVERED UP
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WHAT HAS BEEN RELEASED
TO THE PUBLIC
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ABOUT THE CONTENTS
OF THE PROPHECIES,
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CREATING ONE OF
THE GREAT RELIGIOUS CONSPIRACIES
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OF MODERN TIMES.
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[ PEOPLE SINGING IN PORTUGUESE ]
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ON OCTOBER 13, 1917,
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70,000 PEOPLE GATHERED IN
A FIELD IN FáTIMA
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TO WITNESS WHAT'S BECOME KNOWN
AS "THE MIRACLE OF THE SUN."
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ACCORDING TO EYEWITNESS REPORTS,
THE SUN CHANGED COLOR
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AND SPUN AROUND
LIKE A WHEEL IN THE SKY,
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CAUSING THE CROWD
TO DROP TO THEIR KNEES AND WEEP.
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BUT WHAT REALLY HAPPENED?
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WAS THIS A CASE
OF MASS HYSTERIA,
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OR HAD TENS OF THOUSANDS
OF PEOPLE WITNESSED
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A VERY REAL MIRACLE?
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[ SINGING CONTINUES ]
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Theakston:
WAS IT NEAR HERE?
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NO, IT WAS IN
ALL THIS SPACE.
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ALL HERE?
YES.
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THIS IS WHERE IT HAPPENED?
YES.
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SO, LET'S JUST GO BACK TO 1917.
YES.
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OCTOBER 13th.
MM-HMM.
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SO, THERE'S
70,000 PEOPLE HERE?
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YES. PEOPLE HERE.
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YOU HAVE TO IMAGINE.
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WE DON'T HAVE
ANYTHING OF THAT HERE.
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NO.
THIS IS JUST A FIELD.
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JUST A FIELD
WITH STONES AND WITH TREES.
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THE PEOPLE WERE
EVERYWHERE HERE.
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THE THREE CHILDREN
WERE CLOSE TO THE PLACE
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WHERE NOW STANDS
THE STATUE OF OUR LADY THERE.
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OKAY, SO THE THREE CHILDREN
ARE THERE.
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YES, THEY PRAYED
THE ROSARY,
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AND THE SISTER LúCIA
TELL US THAT
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THEY PRAYED THE ROSARY
WITH A TERRIBLE RAIN.
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AND THEN, SUDDENLY,
THE RAIN STOPS,
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AND THE PEOPLE
LOOK TO THE SUN
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AND SEE THE SUN
ROLLING AND APPROACHING.
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DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS?
WAS THAT PART OF THE...?
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NO.
WE DON'T KNOW THE MEANING.
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THE MEANING TO THE PEOPLE
THAT WERE HERE
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AND TO THE CHURCHES,
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THAT WAS A CONFIRMATION
OF THE TRUTH OF
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THE APPARITIONS
OF THE MESSAGE OF OUR LADY.
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RIGHT, BECAUSE LúCIA
AND THE OTHER TWO,
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THEY PREDICTED THAT
THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
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YES.
SO THEY SAID...
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YES, OUR LADY HAVE SAID
THAT IN OCTOBER,
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IT WILL BE A MIRACLE
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AND ALL THE PEOPLE WILL
BE CONVINCED OF THE...
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THAT CHILDREN
SAID WAS TRUE.
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DO YOU THINK THE VATICAN HAVE
BEEN LESS THAN TRANSPARENT?
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Fanthorpe:
OH, I THINK THEY HAVE.
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I THINK THAT
THERE MAY WELL BE SOMETHING
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IN THAT MYSTERIOUS
THIRD SECRET,
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WHICH, FROM THE POINT OF VIEW
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OF A POWERFUL MEMBER
OF THE VATICAN HIERARCHY,
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OUGHT NOT TO REACH
THE REST OF US BECAUSE...
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NOW, THE "BECAUSE"
IS ONLY IN HIS MIND
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OR IN TWO OR THREE MINDS
OF THE VATICAN,
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RATHER THAN WHAT THE REST OF US
WOULD DO WITH IT IF WE GOT IT.
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Narrator: SISTER LúCIA DIED
BACK IN 2005,
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BUT JAMIE MANAGED TO TRACK DOWN
ONE OF HER COUSINS
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WHO'D KNOWN HER
FOR MORE THAN 50 YEARS
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AND WHO AGREED
TO TALK ABOUT HER.
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THESE ARE
THREE SHEPHERDS.
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SHEP...
SEE LúCIA?
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UH-HUH.
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JACINTA.
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AND FRANCISCO.
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WOW.
LOOK AT THAT.
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DID LúCIA BELIEVE
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THE VATICAN REVEALED
THE TRUE THIRD SECRET IN 2000?
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[ SPEAKING PORTUGUESE ]
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"NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS."
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[ LAUGHS ]
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RUMBLINGS OF DISCONTENT
INSIDE THE VATICAN,
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ACCUSATIONS OF FORGERIES
AND COVER-UPS,
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AND WHAT COULD BE
THE REAL APOCALYPTIC MESSAGE
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OF THE THIRD SECRET
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WHEN "FORBIDDEN HISTORY"
RETURNS.
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Narrator:
IT'S CLAIMED THAT IN 1917,
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THE VIRGIN MARY APPEARED TO
THREE YOUNG SHEPHERD CHILDREN
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IN THE FIELDS OF PORTUGAL,
GIVING THEM PROPHECIES ABOUT
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FUTURE DISASTERS TO AFFECT
THE CHURCH AND MANKIND.
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BUT A GROWING NUMBER OF PEOPLE
BELIEVE THAT
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THE VATICAN
DELIBERATELY HID THE TRUTH
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ABOUT WHAT HAS BEEN RELEASED
TO THE PUBLIC.
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JOURNALIST JAMIE THEAKSTON HAS
BEEN INVESTIGATING THE EVIDENCE,
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INCLUDING CLAIMS THAT
THE REAL THIRD SECRET
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REVEALED THE DATE
OF A COMING APOCALYPSE
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AND THE DESTRUCTION OF
THE CHURCH IN ROME.
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ONE OF THE BIG QUESTIONS
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00:16:17,433 --> 00:16:20,066
THAT SWIRLS AROUND
THE FáTIMA CONTROVERSY
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IS WHETHER IT'S TRUE
THAT THE VATICAN EITHER LIED
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ABOUT THE TRUE CONTENT
OF THE THIRD SECRET
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OR AT LEAST DISTORTED THE TRUTH.
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THEY'VE ALWAYS DENIED THIS,
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BUT THE RUMORS
HAVEN'T GONE AWAY.
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IN 2007, CARDINAL BERTONE,
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THEN THE VATICAN'S
CHIEF OF STAFF,
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WENT ON NATIONAL TELEVISION
IN ITALY TO SHOW THE WORLD
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WHAT HE SAID WAS
THE REAL THIRD SECRET OF FáTIMA.
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HE REVEALED
A SEALED ENVELOPE DATED 1967,
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00:16:48,933 --> 00:16:52,067
IN WHICH WAS A LARGE PIECE
OF HANDWRITTEN TEXT
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FOLDED INTO FOUR PARTS.
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THIS, HE SAID,
WAS THE ACTUAL LETTER
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ON WHICH SISTER LúCIA
WROTE DOWN HER PROPHECY.
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00:16:59,433 --> 00:17:03,067
Gough:
IF THE APPARITIONS WERE TRUE,
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00:17:03,100 --> 00:17:05,933
AND IF THE THIRD SECRET,
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WHICH WAS HELD A SECRET
AND NOT TOLD TO THE PUBLIC
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00:17:10,900 --> 00:17:15,167
LONGER THAN ANY OTHER,
DECADES BEFORE IT WAS REVEALED,
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THE ONLY POSSIBLE EXPLANATION
IS THAT IT WAS APOCALYPTIC
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OR DEALT WITH
THE END OF THE CHURCH
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OR THE RISE OF
SATANIC INFLUENCES WITHIN IT.
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THAT'S THE ONLY THING,
IN MY HEAD,
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THAT THAT THIRD SECRET
COULD POSSIBLY
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HAVE REALLY HAVE BEEN ABOUT.
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Narrator: IN AN INTERVIEW
FOR A GERMAN MAGAZINE
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PUBLISHED BACK IN OCTOBER, 1981,
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POPE JOHN PAUL II WAS ASKED
EXPLICITLY TO SPEAK ABOUT
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THE THIRD SECRET,
AND THIS WAS HIS REPLY.
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"IT IS SAID THAT THE OCEANS
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WILL FLOOD ENTIRE SECTIONS
OF THE EARTH,
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THAT FROM ONE MOMENT
TO THE OTHER,
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MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WILL PERISH.
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WE CAN DO NOTHING AGAINST
THIS CATASTROPHE
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THAT HAS BEEN PREDICTED.
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WE MUST BE PREPARED
TO UNDERGO GREAT TRIALS
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IN THE NOT-TOO-DISTANT FUTURE,
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TRIALS THAT WILL REQUIRE US
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00:18:09,133 --> 00:18:12,233
TO BE READY
TO GIVE UP EVEN OUR LIVES.
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00:18:12,267 --> 00:18:13,900
THROUGH YOUR PRAYERS AND MINE,
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00:18:13,933 --> 00:18:17,100
IT IS POSSIBLE TO ALLEVIATE
THIS TRIBULATION,
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00:18:17,133 --> 00:18:19,867
BUT IT IS NO LONGER POSSIBLE
TO AVERT IT."
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ROB HOWELLS IS AN ENGLISH AUTHOR
AND RESEARCHER
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WHO STUDIED THE FáTIMA
CONTROVERSY FOR YEARS.
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HE BELIEVES
THE COVER-UP IS REAL
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00:18:36,833 --> 00:18:38,833
AND IT WAS DONE
TO PROTECT PEOPLE
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00:18:38,867 --> 00:18:42,500
FROM TERRIFYING
APOCALYPTIC REVELATIONS.
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HEY, ROB.
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Howells:
THE THIRD SECRET OF FáTIMA
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REVOLVES AROUND
THE APOCALYPSE,
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AND WE KNOW THIS FROM
A NUMBER OF REASONS,
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A NUMBER OF SOURCES
WITHIN THE CHURCH
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AND FROM THE WITNESS HERSELF,
SISTER LúCIA,
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WHO RECORDED...
IS ON RECORD AS STATING THAT
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IT RELATES TO PART OF
THE BOOK OF REVELATION,
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WHICH IS THE OPENING OF
THE SEVEN SEALS
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AND THE DESTRUCTION OF ROME
AND THE FINAL APOCALYPSE.
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ROB HOWELLS SAYS THAT
HE DISCUSSED THE THIRD SECRET
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WITH A SENIOR VATICAN OFFICIAL
BACK IN THE 1990s.
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THIS PRIEST CONFIRMED THAT
THE PROPHECY HAD BEEN DISCUSSED
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AT THE VERY HIGHEST LEVELS
IN THE VATICAN
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AND THAT
ITS TRUE CONTENT INCLUDED
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A GRAVE APOCALYPTIC MESSAGE.
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POPE JOHN PAUL II
ALSO WENT ON RECORD TO SAY
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THAT IF YOU'D READ
THE BOOK OF REVELATION,
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AND YOU KNEW THAT THE OCEANS
WOULD INUNDATE THE WORLD
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AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WOULD DIE
IN ONE DAY,
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THEN YOU'D LEARN
NOTHING MORE
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FROM THE RELEASE
OF THE THIRD SECRET.
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ROB SAYS THAT HE WAS ALSO TOLD
THAT SISTER LúCIA HAD BEEN GIVEN
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THE ACTUAL DATE OF
THE START OF THIS APOCALYPSE
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AND THE SUBSEQUENT
GLOBAL DESTRUCTION.
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APPARENTLY,
ACCORDING TO THE PRIEST,
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SHE DID PASS THIS INFORMATION
ALONG TO POPE JOHN PAUL II,
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00:20:10,133 --> 00:20:15,033
BUT HE DIED SHORTLY AFTER,
TAKING THE DATE TO HIS GRAVE.
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THIS WAS THE SECRET
THAT WAS SUPPOSEDLY
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TO BE RELEASED IN 1960
BUT WAS HELD BACK.
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IN THE YEAR 2000, A VERSION
OF IT WAS FINALLY RELEASED.
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00:20:26,300 --> 00:20:30,267
BUT WE KNOW THAT THAT VERSION
WASN'T THE ACTUAL PROPHECY
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BECAUSE IT DIFFERS FROM
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WHAT THE GIRL HAD WRITTEN
IN HER JOURNAL AT THE TIME.
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SHE'D WRITTEN
THE FIRST LINE,
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THAT THEIR FAITH WOULD
ALWAYS BE STRONG IN PORTUGAL.
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AND THE VERSION THEY RELEASED
HAD NO SUCH FIRST LINE.
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SO, NOT ONLY DID THEY HOLD IT
BACK FOR A FURTHER 40 YEARS,
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WHEN THEY FINALLY
RELEASED SOMETHING,
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IT WASN'T THE TEXT
OF THE THIRD SECRET OF FáTIMA.
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00:20:51,233 --> 00:20:53,500
SO IT MUST BE
OF SUCH IMPORTANCE
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THAT IT WAS FELT THAT THE PUBLIC
WEREN'T READY TO HEAR IT.
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00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,367
THE FIRE OF CONTROVERSY
OVER THE THIRD SECRET
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HAS BEEN FUELED BY A NUMBER OF
ITALIAN AUTHORS AND JOURNALISTS
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00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,367
OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS
WHO HAVE CHALLENGED THE VATICAN
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TO REVEAL THE TRUE CONTENT
OF THE PROPHECY.
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00:21:16,233 --> 00:21:17,900
SEVERAL BOOKS HAVE BEEN WRITTEN,
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THERE HAVE BEEN DEBATES
ON TELEVISION,
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AND THE ITALIAN PRESS
HAS BEEN FULL OF ARTICLES.
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ONE OF THE VATICAN'S
LEADING CRITICS
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IS THE JOURNALIST,
SOLIDEO PAOLINI,
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WHO AGREED TO MEET JAMIE
IN A ROME HOTEL.
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Paolini:
[ SPEAKING ITALIAN ]
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WHY HAS THE VATICAN
COVERED THIS UP?
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00:23:00,767 --> 00:23:05,133
WHAT IS IT THAT
THE VATICAN AREN'T TELLING US?
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00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:34,300
SOLIDEO PAOLINI BELIEVES
THAT THE TRUE THIRD SECRET
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FORETOLD THE CURRENT CRISIS
WITHIN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH,
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00:23:37,467 --> 00:23:39,700
INCLUDING
THE CHILD-ABUSE SCANDAL
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00:23:39,733 --> 00:23:42,600
AND THE CONTROVERSY SWIRLING
AROUND THE VATICAN BANK
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00:23:42,633 --> 00:23:45,267
AND THE ALLEGATIONS OF FRAUD.
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00:23:45,300 --> 00:23:48,333
HE SAYS HE'S BEEN TOLD
BY HIS VATICAN CONTACTS
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THAT THE REAL THIRD SECRET
ALSO TALKS ABOUT
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THE CHURCH IN ROME
LOSING ITS WAY
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AND BEING SEDUCED
BY THE FORCES OF EVIL.
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00:23:57,067 --> 00:24:01,067
THE VATICAN CLAIMED
THAT THEY HAVE REVEALED
401
00:24:01,100 --> 00:24:04,066
EVERYTHING THERE IS TO DO
WITH THE COVER-UP
402
00:24:04,067 --> 00:24:05,800
AND THERE'S
NO MORE INFORMATION...
403
00:24:05,833 --> 00:24:06,933
THEY'RE NOT HIDING
ANYTHING.
404
00:24:06,967 --> 00:24:08,933
WHAT DO YOU MAKE
OF THAT?
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00:25:03,233 --> 00:25:04,900
IT WOULD SEEM
THE VATICAN ARE IN
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00:25:04,933 --> 00:25:06,733
A STATE OF TURMOIL
AT THE MOMENT.
407
00:25:06,767 --> 00:25:10,567
DO YOU THINK THAT WE ARE SEEING
THE THIRD SECRET OF FáTIMA,
408
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,467
THE PROPHECY, COMING TRUE?
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00:25:13,500 --> 00:25:19,400
I THINK IT MIGHT EVEN
HAVE HAD SOMETHING TO DO
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00:25:19,433 --> 00:25:24,300
WITH THE UNTIMELY RESIGNATION
OF BENEDICT.
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00:25:24,333 --> 00:25:27,433
YOU SEE, THAT HASN'T HAPPENED
FOR 600 YEARS.
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00:25:27,467 --> 00:25:30,500
AND THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN
SOMETHING WHICH,
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00:25:30,533 --> 00:25:34,233
AGAIN, IS NOT OF ANY
GREAT IMPORTANCE TO MOST OF US,
414
00:25:34,267 --> 00:25:39,367
BUT WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN
SOMETHING UNTHINKABLE TO THEM.
415
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,300
AND, THEREFORE, IF SOMEBODY HAD,
AS THEY WILL SAY,
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00:25:43,333 --> 00:25:45,967
READ THAT THE NEXT POPE
IS GOING...
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00:25:46,067 --> 00:25:48,633
THAT POPE BENEDICT
IS GOING TO RESIGN
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00:25:48,667 --> 00:25:51,066
BEFORE HE DIES IN OFFICE,
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THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED
AS SOMETHING SO TRAUMATIC
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00:25:56,067 --> 00:25:58,533
WITHIN THE VATICAN HIERARCHY.
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00:25:58,567 --> 00:26:01,133
"OH, MUSTN'T LET PEOPLE
KNOW THAT.
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00:26:01,167 --> 00:26:03,200
POPE... IT'LL CHANGE THE WORLD."
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00:26:03,233 --> 00:26:05,967
HAD PRACTICALLY
NO IMPRESSION ON ANYBODY.
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00:26:06,067 --> 00:26:08,467
THE GUY'S RESIGNED.
WELL, GOOD LUCK.
425
00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:11,700
HE WAS 85 AND FEELING HIS AGE.
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00:26:17,733 --> 00:26:19,767
Narrator: EDWARD PENTIN
IS THE ROME CORRESPONDENT
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00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,066
FOR THE CATHOLIC HERALD.
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00:26:21,067 --> 00:26:24,800
HE'S BEEN A VATICAN INSIDER
FOR OVER A DECADE
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00:26:24,833 --> 00:26:26,433
AND AGREED TO MEET WITH JAMIE
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00:26:26,467 --> 00:26:29,900
AND GIVE HIM HIS TAKE ON
THE FáTIMA AFFAIR.
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00:26:29,933 --> 00:26:33,967
Theakston: DO YOU BELIEVE
THAT THERE WAS A COVER-UP,
432
00:26:34,067 --> 00:26:36,900
THAT THE VATICAN
DELIBERATELY MISLED THE PUBLIC
433
00:26:36,933 --> 00:26:39,066
OVER THE SECRET OF FáTIMA?
434
00:26:39,067 --> 00:26:41,900
I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK
THAT'S THE CASE.
435
00:26:41,933 --> 00:26:44,433
I THINK CARDINAL BERTONE,
WHO WAS IN CHARGE OF...
436
00:26:44,467 --> 00:26:46,967
WHO WAS ARCHBISHOP THEN
IN CHARGE OF THIS...
437
00:26:47,067 --> 00:26:48,700
THE THIRD SECRET OF FáTIMA,
438
00:26:48,733 --> 00:26:50,209
GAVE A VERY STRONG STATEMENT
SAYING THAT,
439
00:26:50,233 --> 00:26:52,867
"THIS IS ALL HEARSAY."
440
00:26:52,900 --> 00:26:55,100
WHAT HE'S REVEALED
IS THE FULL SECRET,
441
00:26:55,133 --> 00:26:57,533
THE THIRD SECRET OF FáTIMA.
442
00:26:57,567 --> 00:27:01,067
I THINK A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO
WITH THE FACT THAT CERTAIN...
443
00:27:01,100 --> 00:27:03,767
ITALY, THERE'S A CERTAIN CULTURE
IN THE MEDIA
444
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,600
OF LOOKING AT
THE VATICAN PARTICULARLY
445
00:27:07,633 --> 00:27:09,667
AND SEEING
LOTS OF CONSPIRACIES.
446
00:27:09,700 --> 00:27:12,600
AND IT'S CALLED IN ITALIAN,
"DIETROLOGIA,"
447
00:27:12,633 --> 00:27:14,133
WHICH MEANS
THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING
448
00:27:14,167 --> 00:27:16,900
IN THE BACKGROUND GOING ON
WHICH WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT.
449
00:27:16,933 --> 00:27:19,467
THAT'S NOT TO SAY
THAT THERE ISN'T,
450
00:27:19,500 --> 00:27:23,233
BUT I THINK, OFTEN, THERE IS
A CERTAIN DEFAULT POSITION
451
00:27:23,267 --> 00:27:24,867
AMONG CERTAIN ITALIAN
JOURNALISTS
452
00:27:24,900 --> 00:27:27,867
WHO LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, "THIS
ISN'T ALL THAT WE'RE BEING TOLD.
453
00:27:27,900 --> 00:27:30,133
THERE'S MORE TO IT.
THERE MUST BE MORE TO IT."
454
00:27:30,167 --> 00:27:33,500
AND, IN FACT, SISTER LúCIA
DID ACTUALLY AGREE
455
00:27:33,533 --> 00:27:35,100
WITH CARDINAL BERTONE'S
STATEMENT
456
00:27:35,133 --> 00:27:37,066
SAYING THAT EVERYTHING
HAS BEEN REVEALED,
457
00:27:37,067 --> 00:27:40,066
AND WHAT'S BEEN REVEALED
IS TRUE.
458
00:27:40,067 --> 00:27:43,800
SO I DON'T THINK ONE
CAN EASILY CONTEND
459
00:27:43,833 --> 00:27:45,833
THAT THERE IS
A CONSPIRACY GOING ON... NOT NOW
460
00:27:45,867 --> 00:27:48,300
BUT, OBVIOUSLY,
SOME PEOPLE STILL BELIEVE THAT.
461
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,933
JAMIE JOINS THE CROWDS
IN ST. PETER'S SQUARE
462
00:27:57,967 --> 00:27:59,467
FOR A PAPAL MASS,
463
00:27:59,500 --> 00:28:00,767
QUESTIONS ARE RAISED ABOUT
464
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,667
THE VERY FUTURE OF
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH,
465
00:28:02,700 --> 00:28:05,700
AND A VATICAN INSIDER
DEFENDS THE ALLEGATIONS
466
00:28:05,733 --> 00:28:08,800
OF FORGERIES AND COVER-UPS
OF THE THIRD SECRET
467
00:28:08,833 --> 00:28:11,067
WHEN "FORBIDDEN HISTORY"
RETURNS.
468
00:28:14,167 --> 00:28:15,833
Narrator: HERE IN FáTIMA,
469
00:28:15,867 --> 00:28:19,200
ON SIX OCCASIONS
BETWEEN MAY AND OCTOBER 1917,
470
00:28:19,233 --> 00:28:21,767
IT IS SAID THAT
THE VIRGIN MARY APPEARED TO
471
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,900
THREE YOUNG
PORTUGUESE CHILDREN...
472
00:28:23,933 --> 00:28:26,167
LúCIA SANTOS
AND HER TWO COUSINS,
473
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,200
FRANCISCO AND JACINTA.
474
00:28:28,233 --> 00:28:30,600
BUT HAS THE TRUE CONTENT
OF THESE PROPHECIES
475
00:28:30,633 --> 00:28:32,667
REALLY BEEN RELEASED
TO THE PUBLIC,
476
00:28:32,700 --> 00:28:36,267
OR HAS THE VATICAN WITHHELD
VITAL INFORMATION?
477
00:28:36,300 --> 00:28:39,066
JOURNALIST JAMIE THEAKSTON
IS IN ROME
478
00:28:39,067 --> 00:28:41,233
ON A MISSION
TO UNCOVER THE TRUTH,
479
00:28:41,267 --> 00:28:43,567
INCLUDING CLAIMS OF
A COMING APOCALYPSE
480
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,400
AND THAT FRANCIS WILL BE
THE LAST POPE.
481
00:28:47,433 --> 00:28:50,200
[ CHANTING IN ITALIAN ]
482
00:28:58,167 --> 00:29:01,200
EVERY SUNDAY IN ROME,
WHEN HE'S IN TOWN,
483
00:29:01,233 --> 00:29:03,967
THE POPE MAKES AN APPEARANCE
IN ST. PETER'S SQUARE
484
00:29:04,067 --> 00:29:06,700
TO ADDRESS AND BLESS THE CROWD.
485
00:29:06,733 --> 00:29:09,133
IN THE WANING YEARS
OF BENEDICT'S REIGN,
486
00:29:09,167 --> 00:29:11,900
THE NUMBERS HAD DWINDLED
TO A FEW THOUSAND.
487
00:29:11,933 --> 00:29:15,367
BUT THE NEW POPE, FRANCIS,
IS DRAWING HUGE CROWDS
488
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:20,233
AS JAMIE AND ROB HOWELLS
FOUND OUT FOR THEMSELVES.
489
00:29:22,267 --> 00:29:24,176
Theakston: WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND,
YOU REALLY GET THAT SENSE OF
490
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,967
JUST HOW POWERFUL
AND HOW POPULAR STILL,
491
00:29:27,067 --> 00:29:28,867
YOU KNOW,
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS.
492
00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:31,333
IT SEEMS RATHER FAR-FETCHED,
DON'T YOU THINK,
493
00:29:31,367 --> 00:29:33,700
THAT THIS IS GONNA BE...
WE'RE PROPHESIZING
494
00:29:33,733 --> 00:29:36,300
THE END OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH,
DON'T YOU THINK?
495
00:29:36,333 --> 00:29:37,600
YOU HAVE TO SAY THAT
496
00:29:37,633 --> 00:29:40,500
CHRISTIANITY
IS AN APOCALYPTIC FAITH.
497
00:29:40,533 --> 00:29:42,933
IT HAS
AN APOCALYPTIC ENDING.
498
00:29:42,967 --> 00:29:45,467
SO ALL THESE PEOPLE HERE
WILL BELIEVE IN
499
00:29:45,500 --> 00:29:48,533
SOME FORM OF APOCALYPSE,
BE IT SPIRITUAL, PHYSICAL.
500
00:29:48,567 --> 00:29:51,100
YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE DESTRUCTIVE.
IT MAY BE EARTHQUAKES.
501
00:29:51,133 --> 00:29:53,066
AND IT MAY BE
SOMETHING MORE PERSONAL.
502
00:29:53,067 --> 00:29:54,700
BUT THEY'RE ALL BELIEVING
IN APOCALYPSE.
503
00:29:54,733 --> 00:29:55,943
AND THEY ALL BELIEVE,
TO SOME EXTENT,
504
00:29:55,967 --> 00:29:57,967
THAT IT'S IMMANENT
BECAUSE IT WAS PROPHESIZED
505
00:29:58,067 --> 00:30:00,967
THAT AFTER 2,000 YEARS
FROM THE LIFE OF CHRIST
506
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,033
THAT HE WOULD RETURN TO OVERSEE
THIS KIND OF FINAL EVENT.
507
00:30:04,067 --> 00:30:06,333
AND THAT THIS...
ACCORDING TO MALACHY,
508
00:30:06,367 --> 00:30:07,633
THIS MAY BE
THE LAST POPE
509
00:30:07,667 --> 00:30:10,067
THAT ALSO IS PRESENT
AT THE APOCALYPSE.
510
00:30:10,100 --> 00:30:13,633
[ SPEAKING ITALIAN ]
511
00:30:13,667 --> 00:30:16,933
Howells: MALACHY'S PROPHECY
STATES THAT THIS FINAL POPE,
512
00:30:16,967 --> 00:30:20,833
POPE FRANCIS,
IS THE FINAL POPE.
513
00:30:20,867 --> 00:30:24,100
THE PETER OF ROME,
PETER THE ROMAN,
514
00:30:24,133 --> 00:30:26,400
WHO WILL OVERSEE
THE FALL OF THE VATICAN
515
00:30:26,433 --> 00:30:28,133
AND THE END OF
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH,
516
00:30:28,167 --> 00:30:31,567
AND THAT IT WILL BE DESTRUCTED,
THAT ROME WILL BE DESTROYED.
517
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,200
SO, WE'VE REACHED
THAT DAY.
518
00:30:36,300 --> 00:30:38,967
YOU'VE GOT QUITE
A SORT OF LITERAL IDEA
519
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,967
OF WHAT
THE PROPHECY MEANS.
520
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,700
DO PEOPLE HAVE
DIFFERENT OPINIONS
521
00:30:42,733 --> 00:30:46,700
OR DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS
OF WHAT IT MIGHT BE?
522
00:30:46,733 --> 00:30:49,000
IT COULD BE
PURELY SPIRITUAL.
523
00:30:49,033 --> 00:30:50,867
IT COULD BE THE COLLAPSE
OF THE VATICAN,
524
00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:53,833
THE COLLAPSE OF
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH,
525
00:30:53,867 --> 00:30:55,800
THAT, AT SOME POINT,
THEY HAND BACK
526
00:30:55,833 --> 00:30:58,800
CONTROL OR BELIEF OR FAITH
TO INDIVIDUALS,
527
00:30:58,833 --> 00:31:01,333
WHEREAS BEFORE,
PEOPLE WOULD FIND GOD DIRECTLY.
528
00:31:01,367 --> 00:31:04,100
THIS IDEA IS THAT YOU DON'T NEED
A POPE OR A PRIEST
529
00:31:04,133 --> 00:31:05,733
AND YOU GO BACK TO
A KIND OF GNOSTIC.
530
00:31:05,767 --> 00:31:07,400
JUST AS JESUS
ACTUALLY WOULD HAVE
531
00:31:07,433 --> 00:31:08,967
COMMUNICATED DIRECTLY
WITH GOD
532
00:31:09,067 --> 00:31:10,400
AND NOT GONE TO
THE PRIESTS
533
00:31:10,433 --> 00:31:12,267
AND WOULD HAVE ARGUED
WITH THE PRIESTS,
534
00:31:12,300 --> 00:31:13,900
THERE MAY COME A TIME
535
00:31:13,933 --> 00:31:16,933
WHEN THE CATHOLIC PEOPLE
DON'T NEED A POPE,
536
00:31:16,967 --> 00:31:18,700
AND IT MAY BE
THAT IT'S TALKING ABOUT
537
00:31:18,733 --> 00:31:20,400
THE END OF THE CHURCH
IN THAT FORM,
538
00:31:20,433 --> 00:31:22,267
AND THAT IT TAKES
ANOTHER FORM.
539
00:31:26,333 --> 00:31:28,867
THESE ARE DARK
AND DIFFICULT TIMES
540
00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:30,267
FOR THE VATICAN
541
00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:32,367
AND POSSIBLY
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
542
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,167
AS A PRIEST YOURSELF,
LIONEL,
543
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,500
DO YOU THINK THAT
THE THIRD PROPHECY
544
00:31:38,533 --> 00:31:40,667
MIGHT BE COMING TRUE?
545
00:31:40,700 --> 00:31:43,500
Fanthorpe: WELL,
AS A VERY SIMPLE, EVERYDAY,
546
00:31:43,533 --> 00:31:46,066
AND ORDINARY SERVING PRIEST,
547
00:31:46,067 --> 00:31:49,633
I WOULD FIND
WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE CHURCH
548
00:31:49,667 --> 00:31:52,533
IS VERY DISTURBING.
549
00:31:52,567 --> 00:31:56,300
AND I HAVE ALWAYS SEPARATED
IN MY MIND
550
00:31:56,333 --> 00:31:59,333
WHAT I THINK OF
AS CHURCH-IANITY,
551
00:31:59,367 --> 00:32:01,300
WHICH IS AN ORGANIZATION
552
00:32:01,333 --> 00:32:04,733
WITH PEOPLE STRUGGLING
FOR POWER AT THE TOP
553
00:32:04,767 --> 00:32:08,800
AND NOT NECESSARILY
ALWAYS BEHAVING
554
00:32:08,833 --> 00:32:11,933
AS WE RATHER HOPE THEY WOULD,
555
00:32:11,967 --> 00:32:15,233
FROM CHRISTIANITY,
WHICH TAKES ME BACK TO
556
00:32:15,267 --> 00:32:19,767
THE CARPENTER OF NAZARETH WHO
TAUGHT US TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
557
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,767
AND WHERE JESUS SAYS, "INASMUCH
AS YOU HAVE DONE IT TO
558
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,533
ONE OF MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS,
YOU'VE DONE IT TO ME."
559
00:32:26,567 --> 00:32:30,933
NOW, THAT, FOR ME, IS THE CORE
OF TRUE CHRISTIAN RELIGION.
560
00:32:30,967 --> 00:32:36,633
THAT IS THE RELIGION
OF WHICH I WANT TO BE A PRIEST.
561
00:32:36,667 --> 00:32:42,767
IS IT POSSIBLE
THAT THE THIRD PROPHECY
562
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,600
SAID SOMETHING
ABOUT THE DOWNFALL OF THE CHURCH
563
00:32:46,633 --> 00:32:52,667
UNLESS BETTER THINGS WERE DONE,
BETTER BEHAVIOR CAME?
564
00:32:52,700 --> 00:32:57,433
BECAUSE IT DOES LOOK,
FROM A GLOBAL POINT OF VIEW,
565
00:32:57,467 --> 00:33:01,433
THAT THE CHURCH IS IN
VERY SERIOUS TROUBLE.
566
00:33:05,867 --> 00:33:08,066
Narrator:
THE VATICAN'S OFFICIAL POSITION
567
00:33:08,067 --> 00:33:10,167
IS THAT THE TRUE TEXT
OF THE THIRD SECRET
568
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,333
WAS REVEALED IN 2000,
AND THAT'S THAT.
569
00:33:13,367 --> 00:33:16,600
THERE IS NO CONTROVERSY,
THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY COVER-UP,
570
00:33:16,633 --> 00:33:20,333
AND NO ONE
HAS LIED ABOUT ANYTHING.
571
00:33:20,367 --> 00:33:23,333
JAMIE TRIED TO TALK TO SOME
SENIOR OFFICIALS AT THE VATICAN
572
00:33:23,367 --> 00:33:26,200
ABOUT THIS SUBJECT,
BUT THEY DECLINED.
573
00:33:26,233 --> 00:33:30,567
HOWEVER, HE WAS PUT IN TOUCH
WITH MICHAEL HESEMANN,
574
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,367
A GERMAN AUTHOR AND HISTORIAN
575
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,400
WHO'S WORKED CLOSELY
WITH THE VATICAN FOR YEARS.
576
00:33:35,433 --> 00:33:38,500
HE CO-AUTHORED A BOOK,
"MY BROTHER, THE POPE"
577
00:33:38,533 --> 00:33:42,100
WITH MONSIGNOR GEORG RATZINGER,
POPE BENEDICT'S OLDER BROTHER,
578
00:33:42,133 --> 00:33:44,533
AND HAS BEEN INVOLVED
WITH DATING IMPORTANT RELICS
579
00:33:44,567 --> 00:33:47,200
FOR THE HOLY SEE
FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
580
00:33:51,067 --> 00:33:53,967
Theakston: DO YOU BELIEVE THAT
THE VATICAN HAS COVERED UP
581
00:33:54,067 --> 00:33:55,433
THE THIRD SECRET OF FáTIMA?
582
00:33:55,467 --> 00:33:56,800
NOT AT ALL.
CERTAINLY NOT.
583
00:33:56,833 --> 00:33:59,167
FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S NO REASON
TO COVER IT UP. WHY?
584
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,100
BECAUSE IF YOU READ
THE SUMMONS,
585
00:34:02,133 --> 00:34:04,400
THE HOMILIES GIVEN
BY POPE BENEDICT HIMSELF
586
00:34:04,433 --> 00:34:05,667
IN THE LAST COUPLE
OF YEARS,
587
00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:09,600
THEY ARE MUCH MORE SEVERE EVEN
AND MUCH MORE SERIOUS EVEN
588
00:34:09,633 --> 00:34:14,433
THAN THE STRONGEST VERSION
OF THE ALLEGED FáTIMA SECRET.
589
00:34:14,467 --> 00:34:18,066
SECOND, TO BELIEVE
THERE'S A COVER-UP
590
00:34:18,067 --> 00:34:21,800
WOULD MEAN TO BELIEVE
THAT BOTH THE LAST POPE,
591
00:34:21,833 --> 00:34:25,333
POPE BENEDICT
AND POPE JOHN PAUL II
592
00:34:25,367 --> 00:34:27,200
WERE LIARS.
593
00:34:27,233 --> 00:34:31,066
ALSO, CARDINAL BERTONE,
WHO INVESTIGATED IT ON BEHALF
594
00:34:31,067 --> 00:34:33,633
OF POPE JOHN PAUL II
595
00:34:33,667 --> 00:34:36,967
AND WHO PREPARED
THE PUBLICATION BY BOTH OF THEM,
596
00:34:37,067 --> 00:34:39,933
BERTONE HIMSELF
AND CARDINAL RATZINGER,
597
00:34:39,967 --> 00:34:43,267
WHO LATER BECAME
POPE BENEDICT XVI.
598
00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:48,100
SO TO BELIEVE THAT POPES
WERE LIARS, I MEAN, WHY?
599
00:34:48,133 --> 00:34:49,367
WHY?
THERE'S NO INTENTION.
600
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,600
THERE'S NO REASON
FOR SUCH AN OUTRAGEOUS CLAIM.
601
00:34:52,633 --> 00:34:55,200
TO MAKE SUCH A BIG CLAIM,
YOU HAVE TO HAVE EVIDENCE.
602
00:34:55,233 --> 00:34:58,333
THERE'S NO EVIDENCE AT ALL, AND
THERE'S NO REASON TO COVER IT UP
603
00:34:58,367 --> 00:35:01,700
BECAUSE WHAT SHOULD BE
MORE HARDER THAN THE DEATH
604
00:35:01,733 --> 00:35:06,133
OF MAYBE HUNDREDS OF PRIESTS
AND BISHOPS,
605
00:35:06,167 --> 00:35:10,500
OF THE DESTROYED CITY OF ROME
AND AN ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT,
606
00:35:10,533 --> 00:35:13,500
OR EVEN AN ASSASSINATION
IN A VISION OF A POPE?
607
00:35:13,533 --> 00:35:15,733
THERE'S NOTHING
MORE HARDER YOU CAN IMAGINE,
608
00:35:15,767 --> 00:35:17,933
NOTHING MORE SERIOUS
TO BE COVERED UP.
609
00:35:24,067 --> 00:35:26,066
YOU'VE ASKED BERTONE
YOURSELF
610
00:35:26,067 --> 00:35:27,867
ABOUT THE THIRD SECRET
OF FáTIMA.
611
00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:29,333
WHAT DID HE HAVE
TO SAY?
612
00:35:29,367 --> 00:35:33,100
AFTER THE HOLY SEE PUBLISHED
THE THIRD SECRET OF FáTIMA,
613
00:35:33,133 --> 00:35:35,167
I WANTED TO KNOW
THE WHOLE STORY.
614
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,066
SO I GOT AN INTERVIEW
WITH CARDINAL BERTONE,
615
00:35:38,067 --> 00:35:41,233
A TWO HOURS' INTERVIEW IN
THE PRESENCE OF GEORG GANSWEIN,
616
00:35:41,267 --> 00:35:45,067
WHO WAS A YOUNG MONSIGNOR AT
THE CONGREGATION AT THAT TIME.
617
00:35:45,100 --> 00:35:48,200
AND I WANTED TO KNOW
EVERYTHING FROM HIM.
618
00:35:48,233 --> 00:35:50,567
AND HE TOLD ME,
VERY FRANKLY,
619
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,133
HE WAS COMMISSIONED
BY POPE JOHN PAUL II
620
00:35:53,167 --> 00:35:54,800
TO PREPARE THE PUBLICATION.
621
00:35:54,833 --> 00:35:57,066
HE FLEW TO PORTUGAL
SEVERAL TIMES
622
00:35:57,067 --> 00:35:58,600
TO MEET WITH SISTER LúCIA,
623
00:35:58,633 --> 00:36:01,800
THE ONLY SURVIVING
OF THE THREE CHILDREN OF FáTIMA,
624
00:36:01,833 --> 00:36:04,700
IN HER CARMEL CONVENT
IN COIMBRA.
625
00:36:04,733 --> 00:36:07,067
AND ONE TIME, HE BROUGHT
THE ORIGINAL ENVELOPE,
626
00:36:07,100 --> 00:36:09,300
THE VERY ENVELOPE
WHICH WAS LATER PUBLISHED
627
00:36:09,333 --> 00:36:10,933
AND SHOWED IT TO HER
AND SAID,
628
00:36:10,967 --> 00:36:13,400
"IS THIS THE THIRD SECRET?"
AND SHE CONFIRMED IT.
629
00:36:13,433 --> 00:36:15,400
SHE WAS COMPLETELY
IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
630
00:36:15,433 --> 00:36:17,367
AND HE ASKED,
"IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE
631
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,733
WHICH WE DON'T HAVE
WHICH WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT?"
632
00:36:19,767 --> 00:36:22,633
AND SHE SAID, "NO.
THIS IS THE ONLY THIRD SECRET."
633
00:36:22,667 --> 00:36:25,733
SO, OF COURSE, YOU CAN SAY
CARDINAL BERTONE,
634
00:36:25,767 --> 00:36:28,433
THE CARDINAL SECRETARY
OF STATE OF THE VATICAN,
635
00:36:28,467 --> 00:36:30,700
AND TWO POPES
ARE LIARS.
636
00:36:30,733 --> 00:36:33,267
BUT IS THIS REASONABLE?
WHY?
637
00:36:33,300 --> 00:36:34,867
THERE IS NOTHING
MORE HORRIBLE
638
00:36:34,900 --> 00:36:38,066
THAN THE CONTENT OF
THE THIRD SECRET OF FáTIMA,
639
00:36:38,067 --> 00:36:41,133
THE DESTRUCTION, THE TOTAL
DESTRUCTION OF ROME,
640
00:36:41,167 --> 00:36:44,467
AND THE MURDER, AN ATTACK,
A MURDEROUS ATTACK,
641
00:36:44,500 --> 00:36:47,633
ON THE ROMAN COURIER
AND THE POPE HIMSELF.
642
00:36:47,667 --> 00:36:51,200
THIS IS THE BEST EXPLANATION
WHY IT WAS KEPT SECRET,
643
00:36:51,233 --> 00:36:53,700
BECAUSE THE CONTENT
WAS SO HORRIBLE.
644
00:36:53,733 --> 00:36:57,467
BUT NOBODY WANTED EVEN
TO DEAL WITH THE IDEA
645
00:36:57,500 --> 00:36:59,700
THAT THIS COULD HAPPEN.
646
00:36:59,733 --> 00:37:04,133
Narrator: WITH ALL
THE ACCUSATIONS AND INTRIGUE
647
00:37:04,167 --> 00:37:06,500
ABOUT THE THIRD SECRET
SWIRLING AROUND ROME,
648
00:37:06,533 --> 00:37:09,800
IT'S EASY TO FORGET THAT
IT ALL STARTED BACK IN FáTIMA
649
00:37:09,833 --> 00:37:14,700
IN 1917 IN A REMOTE FIELD
WITH THREE YOUNG CHILDREN.
650
00:37:14,733 --> 00:37:16,167
THE PROPHECIES GIVEN TO THEM
651
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,567
HAVE HAD A HUGE IMPACT
ON THE CHURCH
652
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,367
AND CHANGED
THEIR LITTLE VILLAGE FOREVER.
653
00:37:26,267 --> 00:37:29,167
Theakston: IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE,
FATHER CARLOS,
654
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,633
LOOKING OUT HERE NOW THAT
THIS WAS ALL JUST ONCE FIELDS
655
00:37:33,667 --> 00:37:35,133
NOT THAT LONG AGO.
656
00:37:35,167 --> 00:37:36,733
I MEAN...
657
00:37:36,767 --> 00:37:40,700
FáTIMA HAS ALMOST A CENTURY.
658
00:37:40,733 --> 00:37:42,700
BUT AT
THE BEGINNING HERE,
659
00:37:42,733 --> 00:37:47,267
THERE WAS NOTHING
BUT STONES AND SOME TREES.
660
00:37:47,300 --> 00:37:52,900
ALSO, THESE PLACES WHERE WE ARE,
THE CITY...
661
00:37:52,933 --> 00:37:56,200
THIS LITTLE TOWN OF FáTIMA
HAS GROWED.
662
00:37:56,233 --> 00:38:00,067
THAT MEANS WE HAVE NOW
MANY HOTELS,
663
00:38:00,100 --> 00:38:02,633
MANY RESTAURANTS,
MANY SHOPS.
664
00:38:02,667 --> 00:38:05,066
BUT ALSO, THIS PLACE,
665
00:38:05,067 --> 00:38:10,967
WHICH IS THE REASON OF
MILLION OF PEOPLE EACH YEAR
666
00:38:11,067 --> 00:38:13,467
COMES TO FáTIMA.
667
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,133
EVERYONE I SEE
AND EVERYTHING,
668
00:38:19,167 --> 00:38:22,433
FROM THE PEOPLE
AND THE SHOPS AND THE HOTELS
669
00:38:22,467 --> 00:38:24,533
ALL SEEM TO BE
DIRECTLY RELATED
670
00:38:24,567 --> 00:38:26,900
TO THE WHOLE FáTIMA INDUSTRY,
RIGHT?
671
00:38:26,933 --> 00:38:29,967
EXACTLY.
IT'S THE MAIN INDUSTRY.
672
00:38:30,067 --> 00:38:31,667
IT'S A WAY
THAT THE PEOPLE...
673
00:38:31,700 --> 00:38:35,833
BECAUSE OTHERWISE, THIS WOULD BE
JUST A SMALL VILLAGE,
674
00:38:35,867 --> 00:38:40,067
RURAL PROBABLY
AND QUITE POOR, ACTUALLY,
675
00:38:40,100 --> 00:38:44,067
'CAUSE THE BIGGEST TOWN IS ABOUT
20 KILOMETERS FROM HERE.
676
00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:50,667
WELL, THIS SMALL VILLAGE
DEVELOPED TO BE A TOWN.
677
00:38:50,700 --> 00:38:57,066
BUT A TOWN FULL OF HOTELS
AND FULL OF SHOPS.
678
00:38:57,067 --> 00:39:01,066
SO, DID
THE THIRD SECRET PROPHESY
679
00:39:01,067 --> 00:39:03,900
THE COLLAPSE OF THE VATICAN
AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH,
680
00:39:03,933 --> 00:39:05,867
OR WAS IT A LARGER APOCALYPSE
681
00:39:05,900 --> 00:39:08,333
THAT WOULD DESTROY
MANKIND ITSELF?
682
00:39:08,367 --> 00:39:10,833
JAMIE THEAKSTON EXAMINES
THE INCREDIBLE EVIDENCE
683
00:39:10,867 --> 00:39:15,400
WHEN "FORBIDDEN HISTORY"
RETURNS.
684
00:39:19,233 --> 00:39:20,809
Narrator: JOURNALIST
JAMIE THEAKSTON IS INVESTIGATING
685
00:39:20,833 --> 00:39:23,633
THE CLAIMS THAT THE VATICAN
HAS SOMEHOW COVERED UP
686
00:39:23,667 --> 00:39:27,066
THE TRUTH OF
THE SO-CALLED SECRETS OF FáTIMA.
687
00:39:27,067 --> 00:39:29,333
WERE THE THREE PORTUGUESE
SHEPHERD CHILDREN
688
00:39:29,367 --> 00:39:30,900
WARNED BY THE VIRGIN MARY
689
00:39:30,933 --> 00:39:33,367
OF THE COLLAPSE
OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH?
690
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,367
DID THE PROPHECIES ALSO REVEAL
A COMING APOCALYPSE
691
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,433
AND PERHAPS THE DESTRUCTION
OF MANKIND ITSELF?
692
00:39:39,467 --> 00:39:41,667
AND ARE THE LETTERS
THAT WOULD PROVE THIS
693
00:39:41,700 --> 00:39:44,733
LOCKED AWAY
IN THE VATICAN ARCHIVES?
694
00:39:57,833 --> 00:40:01,367
AFTER SISTER LúCIA DIED,
695
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,900
DID BERTONE ISSUE
THE ORDER
696
00:40:03,933 --> 00:40:09,833
TO HAVE THE PAPERS SEIZED
AND TO SEAL UP THE ROOM?
697
00:40:09,867 --> 00:40:14,400
Paolini:
[ SPEAKING ITALIAN ]
698
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,900
Gough: I THINK THE THIRD SECRET
TRULY WAS ABOUT
699
00:41:21,933 --> 00:41:25,066
THE END OF THE CHURCH
AS WE KNOW IT,
700
00:41:25,067 --> 00:41:27,467
POSSIBLY THE END OF THE WORLD,
701
00:41:27,500 --> 00:41:30,100
POSSIBLY THE RISE
OF EVIL FORCES,
702
00:41:30,133 --> 00:41:31,467
SUCH AS SATANISM.
703
00:41:31,500 --> 00:41:33,133
I THINK IT HAD TO BE ABOUT THAT.
704
00:41:33,167 --> 00:41:35,667
AND, YOU KNOW,
I THINK THE CHURCH REALLY MISSED
705
00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:39,167
AN OPPORTUNITY 20 YEARS AGO
TO BE HONEST ABOUT THAT
706
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,867
AND TO SPIN THAT
BECAUSE LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENED.
707
00:41:42,900 --> 00:41:45,933
IT'S ALL COME TO FRUITION.
708
00:41:45,967 --> 00:41:50,900
WHY WAS IT IMPORTANT FOR
THE VATICAN TO KEEP THIS SECRET?
709
00:41:50,933 --> 00:41:53,533
I THINK IT SPEAKS OF
THE END TIMES
710
00:41:53,567 --> 00:41:56,066
AND OF THE END
OF THE VATICAN ITSELF.
711
00:41:56,067 --> 00:42:00,233
AND I THINK, OBVIOUSLY, THAT
WITH OVER ONE BILLION MEMBERS,
712
00:42:00,267 --> 00:42:04,300
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WOULD BE
THROWN INTO A STATE OF PANIC.
713
00:42:04,333 --> 00:42:07,067
IF PEOPLE REALLY BELIEVED THAT
THERE WAS AN IMPENDING EVENT
714
00:42:07,100 --> 00:42:09,867
THAT WAS
WORLDWIDE DESTRUCTION,
715
00:42:09,900 --> 00:42:13,733
YOU CAN'T KNOW
HOW PEOPLE WOULD REACT TO THAT.
716
00:42:13,767 --> 00:42:19,200
AND IF IT'S AN INEVITABLE EVENT,
WHAT CAN YOU REALLY DO ABOUT IT?
717
00:42:23,367 --> 00:42:27,200
DO YOU THINK
THERE'S BEEN A COVER-UP
718
00:42:27,233 --> 00:42:29,200
OF THE THIRD SECRET OF FáTIMA?
719
00:42:29,233 --> 00:42:33,100
Fanthorpe:
I BELIEVE IN HUMAN FREEDOM.
720
00:42:33,133 --> 00:42:34,833
I DO NOT BELIEVE
721
00:42:34,867 --> 00:42:39,633
THAT THE FUTURE CAN EVER
BE ACCURATELY PREDICTED.
722
00:42:39,667 --> 00:42:44,400
AND FAR FROM BEING A PREDICTION
OF SOME FUTURE EVENT
723
00:42:44,433 --> 00:42:46,633
WHICH IS INEVITABLE,
724
00:42:46,667 --> 00:42:50,500
IT SHOULD BE REGARDED
AS A WARNING.
725
00:42:50,533 --> 00:42:53,733
AND WHATEVER MESSAGE
THOSE CHILDREN RECEIVED,
726
00:42:53,767 --> 00:42:57,833
THIS THIRD SECRET
IS THE MYSTERIOUS ONE,
727
00:42:57,867 --> 00:43:02,867
WAS NOT TO TELL OF
AN INEVITABLE DISASTER,
728
00:43:02,900 --> 00:43:06,233
BUT TO, IN RATHER PICTORIAL WAY,
729
00:43:06,267 --> 00:43:11,133
JUST AS THE FIRST SECRET
WAS A VISION OF HELL,
730
00:43:11,167 --> 00:43:12,833
WHICH TERRIFIED THEM
DESPERATELY,
731
00:43:12,867 --> 00:43:18,333
THIS WAS MEANT TO CONVEY A FEAR
732
00:43:18,367 --> 00:43:23,867
THAT UNLESS WE ALL STARTED
BEHAVING IN A BETTER WAY,
733
00:43:23,900 --> 00:43:25,533
THIS IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN.
734
00:43:25,567 --> 00:43:29,167
THIS IS WHAT THE DARK SIDE
OF HUMAN NATURE WOULD DO TO US.
735
00:43:33,767 --> 00:43:36,267
Narrator: SO, AT THE END OF
HIS INVESTIGATION,
736
00:43:36,300 --> 00:43:39,767
THE KEY QUESTIONS FOR JAMIE
REMAIN.
737
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,800
WHAT DID THOSE THREE CHILDREN
WITNESS IN FáTIMA
738
00:43:42,833 --> 00:43:45,667
ALMOST A CENTURY AGO?
739
00:43:45,700 --> 00:43:47,933
WHAT WERE THEY TOLD?
740
00:43:47,967 --> 00:43:51,066
AND HAS THERE REALLY BEEN
A VATICAN COVER-UP
741
00:43:51,067 --> 00:43:55,267
OF WHAT'S BEEN RELEASED
TO THE PUBLIC?
742
00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:59,200
WE MIGHT NEVER KNOW THE TRUTH.
743
00:43:59,233 --> 00:44:03,066
BUT IF THE THIRD SECRET DID GIVE
AN ACTUAL DATE
744
00:44:03,067 --> 00:44:06,833
FOR A COMING APOCALYPSE
THAT WOULD WIPE OUT HUMANITY,
745
00:44:06,867 --> 00:44:09,800
WHICH WE COULD DO NOTHING ABOUT,
746
00:44:09,833 --> 00:44:14,200
THEN THERE ARE THOSE WHO BELIEVE
THAT A STATE OF IGNORANCE
747
00:44:14,233 --> 00:44:20,067
ISN'T SUCH A BAD THING
AFTER ALL.
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