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I'm here at Hearst Castle in San Luis Obispo County.
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Hearst Castle was made
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for newspaper magnate William Randolph Hearst.
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Have you seen Citizen Kane?
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This was the inspiration over 80,000 square feet,
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90 bedrooms, 90 bathrooms,
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and did I mentioned 100 foot Neptune pool?
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Pretty amazing.
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What if you drive 40 miles inland from here,
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you're gonna find the real
treasure of San Luis Obispo,
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some killer Rhone-style wines.
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We're going to Paso Robles,
and welcome to V is for Vino.
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We're hanging out in downtown Paso Robles.
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Paso Robles is part of San Luis Obispo County,
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which is part of the Central Coast appellation
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of California.
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The Central Coast is actually really big
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and encompasses everything from San Francisco
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down to Santa Barbara.
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But Paso Robles, AVA is
smack dab in the middle of it all.
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While most of the wine regions in the Central Coast
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tend to be fairly cool,
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Paso Robles is the exception, it's hot here,
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mostly because the Santa
Lucia Mountains shield the region
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from the cool pacific ocean breeze.
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The heat means a big heat loving grapes
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like Syrah, Grenache, and Zinfandel do great here.
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But it's only been recently that Paso has exploded
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as a wine growing region.
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It went from 20 wineries in 1990 to over 200 today.
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So how do you pronounce it?
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Robles? Robles?
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Well, the city was actually named in Spanish
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El Paso de Robles, which meant The Pass of the Oaks,
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and eventually just got shorten to Paso Robles.
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So if you were saying in Spanish, you'd say Robles,
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but by that logic, you'd say Los Angeles
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instead of Los Angeles.
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So most people here called Paso Robles,
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or you could just call it Paso
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and save yourself the headache.
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So why does this place make
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such fantastic terroir driven, Rhone-style wines?
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We're gonna find out.
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But first, what the hell is terroir?
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Terroir.
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So what's with all these fancy, expensive vineyards,
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why can't you just try and
grow wine in your own backyard?
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Well, you can give it a shot.
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Technically, all the great wine growing regions
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are grown between these lines of latitude.
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Anything in the middle is too hot.
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And everything on top and bottom is too cold.
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So you're thinking all right, I live in America,
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I should be able to get it done.
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Well, you don't have what the French call terroir.
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That's why is this combination of elements,
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the sunlight, the soil, the slope, the drainage,
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the average rainfall, the irrigation,
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and the million and one other factors
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that make a wine region, a great wine region.
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But most wine regions also have one other thing
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that I call the X factor.
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And it's that one thing that without it,
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it couldn't make good grapes.
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Take Napa, Napa has the Vaca Mountains to the east
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that protect from the hot Central California,
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and the Mayacamas to the west that protect
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from the cool ocean breezes,
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and you're left with this
nice regulated temperature
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in the Napa Valley.
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What about Mosel, Germany?
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Now Mosel, Germany is one of my favorites
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because it's way too cold to grow grapes,
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but it's very famous for its Riesling,
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is because the Mosel river that runs through it
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reflects sunlight off of the river
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and onto the vines that
are on the slopes of the river.
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Otherwise, the grapes will never ripen.
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So the next time, you're thinking about trying
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to make wine in your backyard,
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it's probably best to leave it to the pros.
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What about Paso Robles?
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What is its X factor?
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Well, remember, I told you how hot it is here?
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It's literally 100 degrees today, we're baking.
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It would normally be way too hot for wine growth.
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But there's wild temperature fluctuations
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called diurnal shifts that
allow wine grapes to grow here,
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maybe 100 now, but it'll be 40 to 50 degrees cooler
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at night.
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And what that does is allows
the grapes to ripen all day,
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and then stop ripening in the evening,
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and still have a nice long hang time
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until September or October.
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Now Cabernet Sauvignon
is still the number one grape
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by the number is grown in Paso,
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but nobody grows more Rhone varietals
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in the new world than Paso Robles.
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And this is because the
climate here is very similar
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to the Rhone Valley in the southeast of France.
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Well, what exactly is a Rhone blend?
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Let's find out.
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Today, we're gonna focus on
Southern Rhone-style blends.
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Now the term Rhone blend is used to describe a wine
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that's made in similar style to the wines
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they make in a place in the southeast of France
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called the Rhone Valley.
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And unlike most places in the planet
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to focus on one grape, maybe 100% Pinot Noir
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or 100% Chardonnay, the
Rhone Valley is all about blending.
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Why use one grape when you can use three
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or five or even 10?
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You're actually allowed to use up to two 22 grapes
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in the Rhone Valley itself.
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White Rhone blends are full of grapes,
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you may not be too familiar with Grenache Blanc,
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Marsanne, Roussanne, Viognier, Picpoul,
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and some other grapes thrown in for good measure.
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They're usually apricots and peachy,
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perfumy and aromatic and floral.
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And if they have any oak on them,
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maybe some lemon curd or some vanilla,
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but winemakers have to
be careful when they harvest,
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and how much oak they use,
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because they don't have a lot of natural acidity.
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So they need to be careful
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to preserve the acidity they do have.
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When they're done right, they're similar
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to a lush tropical Chardonnay.
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GSM, it's a common abbreviation for Red Rhone Blends,
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and it stands for Grenache, Syrah, Mourvedre.
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These wines take full advantage of the heat
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that Paso and Rhone tend to offer
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big, bold, high alcohol wines.
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Think cherry and cassis flavors,
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maybe lavender, floral and herbs.
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But also some spice notes and some gamy notes
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from the Syrah.
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You can think of it like a three-piece band.
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Grenache is the lead singer and guitarist
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and contribute to most of the alcohol
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and red fruit flavors.
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Syrah is the bass, contributes
to the lower fruit flavors
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like blackberry and maybe some gamey notes
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and some spice notes.
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And then the Mourvedre hangs in the back,
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it's the drums, it contributes to the finish
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and the tannin structure.
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Now blending is great for a winemaker
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because it allows you to not
only have some say in the line,
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but to take advantage of the different grapes
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in different years.
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If it's a warm year, you might use more Grenache,
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which loves the heat.
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If it's a cooler year, maybe a little more Syrah,
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but all this means, you better have a winemaker
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who knows what he's doing.
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I think I got just the one.
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Thanks for having us out.
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You're welcome.
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So tell us a little bit about the story of Tablas
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and these these vineyards?
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Two families, the Perrin family,
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the other family being an American family,
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the Haas family, Robert Haas.
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And they were just in California selling wine
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and asking the question,
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everything here is Cabernet and Chardonnay,
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why is there no Rhone varietals here?
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This is perfect for that, the weather, the climate
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is so much similar to where we are,
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we should do something, and they search California
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up and down West Coast, really up and down,
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looking for the ultimate spot to do this product.
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So they're looking for limestone soils,
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they were looking for enough
sunshine to ripe Mourvedre,
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and they found it here.
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Can you tell me a little bit about your story
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how you got into wine making?
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Yeah, I was in the restaurant industry
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while I was working in that business
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just grew a passion for wine
and read a lot about wine,
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and decided I wanted to do a year in a small winery.
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I can read but I don't understand it so well.
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Anything as well as actually
physically get my hands in it,
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got a job at a winery down the street,
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started doing that in 91 and just loved it.
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And then you came over here,
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and you've been here pretty
much since the beginning.
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Yeah, I did a year in France working
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in the vineyards and winery at Beaucastel.
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And then move back here in July of 98,
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and I've been here ever since.
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Do you have a nickname around here,
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like father of Tablas or something like that?
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I haven't heard it, but I'm sure there is one.
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Weird guy that wanders around.
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What is your philosophy behind the style of wines
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that you make your Tablas?
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It's really simple, that question.
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I mean, how I see it I was tasked
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when I got here with the job of growing grapes
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and making wines the best
demonstrate a sense of place.
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They bought this property specifically
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because they felt it was unique.
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The limestone soil
particularly is incredibly unique
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within California, it's rare, it's hard to find.
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And so the goal is let's produce wines
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that is clear a reflection of this place
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is we can possibly make.
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So Farming organically now,
we're moving into biodynamics,
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an introduction of animals in the vineyard,
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more diversity just trying to leave this place
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in a better state than we found it.
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And then when we get to the winery,
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again, it's very traditional, we don't use much new oak,
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everything is fermented on native yeast,
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we don't inoculate anything.
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And that's all in an attempt to display
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this beautiful, incredible
piece of land that we have here.
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And for a winemaker, who sounds like
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you wanna be very hands off,
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you have to use a lot of decisions to make
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when it comes to the blending process.
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So what happens is that we sit down at a table,
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and we'll sit and we'll taste every single lot
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that we have in our cellar blend.
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And we'll make ratings on the individual lots
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of individual varietals
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from individual blocks, et cetera, et cetera.
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And from those tastings, we'll go back,
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and we'll put together some potential blends
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of you know, okay, and then
we taste three or four versions
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of those blend.
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And then we're saying okay, order preference,
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which ones you like, and we keep going until
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we all agree that this is the one.
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So sometimes it can be a couple of days,
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sometimes it can be a couple of weeks.
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There have been times when we've just packed it up
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and gone home and come back to it a month later.
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And you live on property right?
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I do, my family, my kids grew up here.
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It's home for us.
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I was here the day the first vine went in the ground
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just as a nosy neighbor and now as an employee.
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Yeah, we'll be harvesting this stuff
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in late September, early October.
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Clusters are gonna tighten up,
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and then we'll start seeing the turn of color.
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And this time of year is nerve-racking
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because you're hoping everything keeps going
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in the right direction and you get to the end of it
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and you're tired of getting up at four in the morning
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and staying up till late
eight at night in the winery
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and want it to be over.
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But it's always the most exciting thing
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because that's where the season is.
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I wanted to get to know more
about the biodynamic farming
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and the use of the animals in the vineyard.
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So for that, I went to Nathan,
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Tablas Creek's own personal shepherd.
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This is a herd of sheep, Tablas Creek's.
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There's about 200 of them right now.
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The Guardian animals, Fiona and Dottie, the donkeys.
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Fiona doesn't like me, I don't like you either Fiona.
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And then if you look in the back,
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you can see the alpacas
with the funny-looking necks.
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I see him.
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They just got sheared, so don't be too hard on him.
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They don't always look that bad.
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So the herd started is kind of a novelty,
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but now that we've gone into biodynamics,
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and we're becoming certified biodynamic,
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it's gonna be a big part of
building soil in the vineyard.
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And they'll graze in between
the vines all winter long
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and keeping the weeds down, cutting back mow passes,
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fertilizing was at 240 cubic feet of manure
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that we didn't buy, that we didn't truck here
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using fuel and all the other
costs of running equipment.
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They're putting compost on the ground for us
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without us having to spread
it with tractors and trucks.
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The final byproduct is we have lamb for sale,
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we'll be harvesting 20, 30, 40 lambs,
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and then we distribute
them out to local restaurants.
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But they're getting organic biodynamic,
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no hormones, no antibiotics.
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My big argument not everybody,
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but my big argument is the more animals
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we can get back on the land properly managed,
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properly managed not the valley,
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I'm not talking about like feedlots,
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and creating methane and all that.
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But properly manage animals on the livestock
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can put carbon back in the
soil, and keep it there forever.
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That's kind of what I'm
passionate about is using them to,
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you know save the planet in a small way.
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This is like a pig version of like Baywatch.
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Tablas Creek is equally
owned and run by two families.
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One of the families is my family.
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My dad is Robert Haas.
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He was an importer who started
the company Vineyard Brands.
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He is been importing wine since the 1950s.
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The other family is the Perrin family
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from Chateau de Beaucastel in Chateauneuf-du-Pape
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in the south of France, whose
wines my dad introduced it
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to the US market in the 1960s,
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and with whom he became friends.
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There were three things that they were looking for
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that led them to Paso.
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So the first thing they were looking for
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was the right kind of climate,
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which meant hot enough and sunny enough to ripen
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some of the latest ripening grapes in France.
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But moderated enough so
that the earlier Rhone varieties
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like Syrah and Viognier didn't go flabby.
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Second thing, we were
looking for was enough rainfall
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to dry farm.
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And then the third thing that we were looking
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for was limestone.
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Wow, and so between those three,
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you're left with a perfect place
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to recreate chateauneuf-du-pape.
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Yeah, at least, I mean, - it is dry?
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And our goal isn't to recreate it exactly.
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But our goal is to use kinda
the same palette of flavors
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and then have those flavors
express this particular plan.
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So the Cotes de Tablas Blanc is our chance
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to show off Viognier.
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So Viognier is one of the classic grapes
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of the Rhone Valley, but in a warm climate in like
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in the Southern Rhone or like in Paso Robles.
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It's usually used as a blending
grape but in a lead role.
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So the Viognier is that floral juiciness,
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the Grenache Blanc is citrusy, brights, minerally,
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Marsanne is restraint kind of melon,
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little bit of honey pretty, and
then Rousanne is structure.
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Yeah, right away just that floral perfumey.
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The nice thing about working with Rhone grapes
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is that they're meant to be blended with one another.
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Each of them brings a different
strength to the table now.
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So you can allow a grape like Viognier to show off
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what's at great without having
a little bits of weaknesses.
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Viognier is one of my favorite grapes
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that I feel like nobody does, right?
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And I don't say that about you guys so Cheers to that.
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So the Cote de Tablas is our
chance to lead with Grenache.
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So Grenache is another the classic grape
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of the Southern Rhone.
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It accounts for something like 60% of the acreage
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in the southern Rhone Valley.
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And you can understand, why?
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It's a grape which is juicy,
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it's got good acids to balance that juiciness.
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It shows off herbs and spices in a really nice way.
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If it has a weakness,
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it's that it can be a little simple on its own,
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it's not very dark in color.
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And so the classic blending
partner for Grenache is Syrah,
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it's dark, savory, spicy tannic,
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but usually not very friendly.
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So you can think of Grenache
is providing friendliness
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for Syrah and Syrah is providing
seriousness for Grenache.
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So the Cote de Tablas is always led by Grenache
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with Syrah as the number two,
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and then smaller amounts of
Counoise which has great acidity
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and just brings everything into focus,
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Mourvedre for this little
bit of wild earthy darkness.
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The thing that I like about Rhone blends in general
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is that they're not only one thing,
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it's not a wine which is one dimensional at all.
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It's a wine that has fruit, and it has Earth,
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and it has spice, and it has meat, and it has herbs
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bark and has flowers.
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I mean you can keep digging.
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You can keep digging,
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all right, it makes you wanna keep coming back
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for a second sip.
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Even in a in a climate is
warm is here, this feels fresh.
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People often pay more
attention to how hot the days get
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in Paso Robles than they
do to how cold the nights are.
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And the fact that you can pick the same grapes
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at the same sugar levels that you get
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in the Rhone Valley with
higher acids in Paso Robles
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because the nights are so cold.
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Well, thank you so much for taking us on this tour.
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You are welcome.
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Absolutely. Cheers.
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Cheers.
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Welcome to the "V is for Vino" Nerd Lab,
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we take complicated wine
topics and make them simple.
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Today, we're talking about acid.
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So what is acid?
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Well, it's one of the five major components of wine.
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It's a compound in the grapes, tartaric, malic,
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and citric acid that gives
wine a sourness or tartness,
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but it's really important to wine too.
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It also gives wine the
liveliness to pizzazz or a pop.
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Some things that have acid naturally, lemons,
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vinegar has a lot of acids,
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and things that have very low acid, milk, avocados.
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Now acid is a direct consequence of climate.
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Cooler climate grapes tend to have more acid
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than warm climate.
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And this is because it has an inverse relationship
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with ripeness, the riper a grape gets,
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the more acid goes down.
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So as the sugar goes up, the acid goes down,
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you can think of it like a banana,
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this green banana is going to have more acid
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not so much sugar, whereas
this right banana that's brown,
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it's gonna have way too much sugar.
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And the key for a winemaker
is to find that perfect blend
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right in the middle where you get
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a perfectly ripe grape or banana.
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It's also very similar to good lemonade,
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lemonade is all about the balance
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between the citric acid in the lemon juice
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and the sugar that you've put in.
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So we start with our water,
and we'll put in our lemon juice
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just to get started.
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Now adding just lemon juice,
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this is going to be obviously very sour,
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you have no sugar to balance it out.
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And these are like grapes that have been
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on the vine too little,
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they're going to be very, very acidic.
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It's not gonna taste very good,
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but if you add a little sugar,
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and these will be like grapes that are on the vine
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that have developed a little bit more,
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you're gonna find that perfect balance
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between the acid and the sugar.
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It's perfect lemonade, and that's just like a grape
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and has had the proper
amount of hang time on the vine.
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And now we add more sugar.
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This is gonna be like a grape
that has too much hang time.
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It's going to be very low on acid,
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and it's not gonna have any pop.
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It's gonna be very flat.
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Now the key to a winemaker is
to pick at the perfect moment.
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A winemaker can't just add sugar down the road.
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He has to pick at the right moment
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when the acid and the sugar are in perfect balance.
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And this is assuming there's a perfect moment at all.
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In some years, the weather won't be good enough
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and the grapes won't ripen enough,
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and in other years, they'll ripen too quickly,
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and you'll be forced to pick them too early
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before everything else in the grape has developed.
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I hope you enjoyed this Nerd Lab on acid
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and keep geeking out.
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I headed back into town to
meet the husband and wife team
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behind a restaurant that's now an institution
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in downtown Paso.
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Welcome to Artisan.
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Someone told me that I'm
amongst royalty, is that true?
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How does that always get brought up?
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I might have snuck that in a little bit.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yes, but her being Former Mrs. California,
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what does that make me?
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Mr. California. - Mr. California.
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The king himself. - Yeah, exactly.
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So tell me a little bit about the restaurant?
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We were living in Orange County at the time,
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got married here in Paso in 2004.
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So we knew we loved it here and wanted to be here.
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And we knew that we could utilize my background
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in the restaurant business as well as just
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his serial entrepreneurship to be able to get here.
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But we didn't know when that was gonna be
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we honestly thought it was
probably gonna be when we retire.
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But wouldn't it be cool if we come here
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when our kids are kids, we could raise them here.
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They could be raised in the restaurant,
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Tell me a little bit about what is the style of food
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if you had to sum it up?
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You know, farm-to-table has been used,
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it's almost cliche now.
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So I really call it dirty mouth.
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For many years, we had our own farm,
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we grew our own vegetables,
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we serve them here at the restaurant.
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Really?
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Yes, we're Uber local.
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These other buzzwords that you hear
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like sustainability or sustainable,
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we believe in those things as well.
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And we have from day one.
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But even this bar that we're leading against,
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this is a tree that fell in Templeton,
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and we hired a local woodworker.
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And that woodworker created this bar
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and all the tables that we have as well.
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You literally are close to
the source with everything?
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Yeah. - yes.
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Yeah, so cool.
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You know, we use a cork
flooring because it's sustainable.
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You know, we we hired the local metalsmith to create
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some of the lighting here,
the sconces that are behind us,
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are made by a local metalsmith.
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It's not just our local foods, produce meats,
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but also local wine.
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So if you look at our wine list,
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I would say 99% of our wine list is local Paso wines
508
00:21:50,726 --> 00:21:52,686
with local Central Coast wines.
509
00:21:52,728 --> 00:21:54,604
And it seems you get a big local following
510
00:21:54,646 --> 00:21:55,939
in the community as well.
511
00:21:55,981 --> 00:21:58,358
Yeah, we feel really fortunate to have that.
512
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,944
Nothing better than coming in here on a weeknight
513
00:22:00,986 --> 00:22:03,822
and seeing the same couple
people that have been here
514
00:22:03,864 --> 00:22:06,783
five times that week, we love That - That's awesome.
515
00:22:06,825 --> 00:22:08,743
Well, if you don't mind we have to go talk to Ryan,
516
00:22:08,785 --> 00:22:10,704
I think we gotta taste some of his food.
517
00:22:10,746 --> 00:22:11,955
Enjoy it, it's good.
518
00:22:16,209 --> 00:22:17,794
Tell me a little bit about what we're cooking today?
519
00:22:17,836 --> 00:22:20,630
So we're gonna be doing our octopus salad.
520
00:22:20,672 --> 00:22:22,507
So this is just one eighth of octopus.
521
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:25,301
It's just one tentacle, a Spanish day boat octopus,
522
00:22:25,343 --> 00:22:27,470
we just braise it, and just straight white wine
523
00:22:27,512 --> 00:22:29,055
for about an hour and a half.
524
00:22:29,097 --> 00:22:30,181
Yeah, that's it, bring it to a boil drop it,
525
00:22:30,223 --> 00:22:32,100
drop it, let it go.
526
00:22:32,142 --> 00:22:34,227
So we're gonna be grilling this up.
527
00:22:34,269 --> 00:22:35,520
And we'll just leave that shade on the grill.
528
00:22:35,562 --> 00:22:37,397
That'll take about two, maybe three minutes
529
00:22:37,439 --> 00:22:39,482
on each side before it's fully done.
530
00:22:39,524 --> 00:22:40,817
You don't wanna burn,
531
00:22:40,859 --> 00:22:42,318
but you want a nice charred, you want marks.
532
00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:43,403
You just wanna kiss it.
533
00:22:43,445 --> 00:22:45,280
Yeah, you just want a hot all the way through.
534
00:22:45,322 --> 00:22:47,490
So while that's going, we can totally build the salad.
535
00:22:47,532 --> 00:22:49,117
So we start with our chickpeas.
536
00:22:49,159 --> 00:22:51,161
These actually come from Los osos
537
00:22:51,203 --> 00:22:53,413
from a farm called Kandarian farms.
538
00:22:53,455 --> 00:22:55,999
These are peppadews, this is a South African pepper.
539
00:22:56,041 --> 00:22:57,333
I believe they're lightly pickled,
540
00:22:57,375 --> 00:22:59,753
but they add a really nice fresh flavor
541
00:22:59,795 --> 00:23:01,087
than not spicy at all.
542
00:23:01,129 --> 00:23:03,089
And then so these are peeled tomatoes,
543
00:23:03,131 --> 00:23:04,382
we just take the skin off this skin
544
00:23:04,424 --> 00:23:05,759
can be a little bit bitter.
545
00:23:05,801 --> 00:23:08,678
Drop in boiling water for about maybe 15 seconds
546
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,889
just till the skin pops off, and we just peel it.
547
00:23:10,931 --> 00:23:13,349
Then we're gonna grab any green we'll do.
548
00:23:13,391 --> 00:23:14,768
Right now we're using kale in ours.
549
00:23:14,810 --> 00:23:16,436
This is again as local kale also.
550
00:23:16,478 --> 00:23:18,438
So really what besides the octopus,
551
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:19,981
everything else is pretty much local.
552
00:23:20,023 --> 00:23:22,484
Salt, and then for our dressings,
553
00:23:22,526 --> 00:23:24,569
we use Calabrian chili oil, it's really spicy,
554
00:23:24,611 --> 00:23:29,199
so you only need like maybe an eighth of a teaspoon.
555
00:23:29,241 --> 00:23:30,033
It's hot.
556
00:23:30,075 --> 00:23:31,159
And then so this is gremolata,
557
00:23:31,201 --> 00:23:35,455
just garlic, lemon, parsley, and local olive oil.
558
00:23:35,497 --> 00:23:37,749
It's just kind of adds a little bit of a pop
559
00:23:37,791 --> 00:23:39,542
and a little bit of freshness going into it.
560
00:23:39,584 --> 00:23:41,127
And this is our macerated lemon of lemon.
561
00:23:41,169 --> 00:23:42,462
We just take lemon segments get rid
562
00:23:42,504 --> 00:23:43,922
of the pith, zest and everything.
563
00:23:43,964 --> 00:23:46,132
Cook it in a little olive oil on the stove probably
564
00:23:46,174 --> 00:23:49,803
about I don't know, maybe
30 seconds just to it falls apart.
565
00:23:49,845 --> 00:23:51,554
You guys are fancy over here.
566
00:23:51,596 --> 00:23:53,723
We do, we are we keep it really fancy.
567
00:23:53,765 --> 00:23:55,558
I wanna flip that octopus really quick.
568
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,894
So just looking for about that much color.
569
00:23:57,936 --> 00:23:59,437
You just don't wanna burn it.
570
00:23:59,479 --> 00:24:01,856
If it's burnt, it gets really hard and tough.
571
00:24:01,898 --> 00:24:02,816
It's not good.
572
00:24:02,858 --> 00:24:05,110
When you see it starts like
flex and move it's about there.
573
00:24:05,152 --> 00:24:07,487
So I'm just gonna slice it up a little bit.
574
00:24:07,529 --> 00:24:09,489
This is mainly just for presentation.
575
00:24:09,531 --> 00:24:13,368
There are a couple pieces into the salad.
576
00:24:13,410 --> 00:24:14,619
So once it's fully mixed,
577
00:24:14,661 --> 00:24:16,079
I'm just gonna go straight into the bowl.
578
00:24:19,499 --> 00:24:20,542
Put that right there on top.
579
00:24:20,584 --> 00:24:23,545
Now grab some of our house-made garlic aioli,
580
00:24:23,587 --> 00:24:26,214
which is made just with confit garlic garlic,
581
00:24:26,256 --> 00:24:27,549
and how you normally make an aioli.
582
00:24:27,591 --> 00:24:30,385
And then we top it with just
a little bit of fresh oregano.
583
00:24:30,427 --> 00:24:31,595
And that's it.
584
00:24:32,929 --> 00:24:34,806
All right, so let's try this out.
585
00:24:34,848 --> 00:24:36,724
When we first put this on the menu
586
00:24:36,766 --> 00:24:40,270
I was in here eating it twice every day.
587
00:24:40,312 --> 00:24:41,771
That's one of my favorite dishes.
588
00:24:41,813 --> 00:24:43,648
We paired this with the white Rhone blend
589
00:24:43,690 --> 00:24:44,732
for a few reasons.
590
00:24:44,774 --> 00:24:47,110
Number one, there's enough
acidity in the white Rhone blend
591
00:24:47,152 --> 00:24:48,862
to match the acidity of the dish.
592
00:24:48,904 --> 00:24:51,322
Remember acid likes acid
and between the lemon juice
593
00:24:51,364 --> 00:24:52,740
and the tomatoes and the dish
594
00:24:52,782 --> 00:24:54,033
and the acidity in the wine,
595
00:24:54,075 --> 00:24:55,493
they can keep up with each other.
596
00:24:55,535 --> 00:24:57,787
The second reason is that the spicy in the dressing
597
00:24:57,829 --> 00:25:01,166
goes great with the over-the-top fruity, aromatic,
598
00:25:01,208 --> 00:25:05,462
and floral characteristic
of the white Rhone blend.
599
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,590
All right, so what's the second dish?
600
00:25:08,632 --> 00:25:10,133
We're gonna be doing our lamb bolognese
601
00:25:10,175 --> 00:25:11,676
with house-made pappardelle pasta.
602
00:25:11,718 --> 00:25:15,471
Bolognese is a dish that I really enjoy
603
00:25:15,513 --> 00:25:17,015
because it takes a long time,
604
00:25:17,057 --> 00:25:19,684
you can tell someone doesn't
know how to make bolognese
605
00:25:19,726 --> 00:25:20,727
when the meats tough.
606
00:25:20,769 --> 00:25:22,604
It has a really runny sauce,
607
00:25:22,646 --> 00:25:24,480
it should be, it's like meat paste almost.
608
00:25:24,522 --> 00:25:26,316
Yeah, you wanna let it get nice and thick.
609
00:25:26,358 --> 00:25:28,151
Yeah, you want it like basically mud
610
00:25:28,193 --> 00:25:29,569
is what you're looking for.
611
00:25:29,611 --> 00:25:30,904
We're looking for mud.
612
00:25:30,946 --> 00:25:32,113
Sounds awesome.
613
00:25:33,531 --> 00:25:35,700
First thing we're looking for is you wanna drop
614
00:25:35,742 --> 00:25:37,076
your oyster mushrooms in there.
615
00:25:37,118 --> 00:25:39,412
I just look for a little bit of color
616
00:25:39,454 --> 00:25:41,456
so once I start seeing that a little bit of color
617
00:25:41,498 --> 00:25:44,542
I'll just let them go, and I throw my Bolognese in.
618
00:25:44,584 --> 00:25:48,713
Now give me the quick fix on how to make Bolognese
619
00:25:48,755 --> 00:25:51,216
So what we do is we take all of our salami scraps
620
00:25:51,258 --> 00:25:52,675
render that down.
621
00:25:52,717 --> 00:25:55,345
And then we always throw in our meat,
622
00:25:55,387 --> 00:25:58,223
beef is the body, pork is the flavor,
623
00:25:58,265 --> 00:26:00,516
lamb is the bigger flavor.
624
00:26:00,558 --> 00:26:01,643
You've got the trio?
625
00:26:01,685 --> 00:26:03,603
We got the trio.
626
00:26:03,645 --> 00:26:05,063
Usually, yeah. And then we put that in there,
627
00:26:05,105 --> 00:26:07,649
you know you fry up a little tomato paste,
628
00:26:07,691 --> 00:26:10,485
throw in your stock, white wine, marinara,
629
00:26:10,527 --> 00:26:12,195
Kinda like just let it go.
630
00:26:12,237 --> 00:26:14,155
So once I get this far, and I see a nice color.
631
00:26:14,197 --> 00:26:17,575
So a little bit of white wine, and a lot a bit of butter.
632
00:26:17,617 --> 00:26:21,162
When you have sauce left
on the plate after you eat it,
633
00:26:21,204 --> 00:26:22,372
that's a very bad thing.
634
00:26:22,414 --> 00:26:24,624
That means it wasn't done right.
635
00:26:24,666 --> 00:26:28,461
So I usually let my pasta go about 3/4 of the way
636
00:26:28,503 --> 00:26:29,379
in the water.
637
00:26:29,421 --> 00:26:31,547
And I'll finish it the last 25% in the sauce.
638
00:26:31,589 --> 00:26:33,424
You're getting that starch into the sauce,
639
00:26:33,466 --> 00:26:35,468
and it soaks into the noodle,
640
00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:37,971
and it's not two separate entities, it's one.
641
00:26:38,013 --> 00:26:39,347
The other secret is you wanna make sure
642
00:26:39,389 --> 00:26:41,349
that your water is salty like the ocean.
643
00:26:41,391 --> 00:26:42,767
You can add a pinch but?
644
00:26:42,809 --> 00:26:44,394
No. Yeah, I put cups.
645
00:26:45,854 --> 00:26:47,313
So this I just go low and slow.
646
00:26:47,355 --> 00:26:49,065
It's already cooked you're just rewarming.
647
00:26:49,107 --> 00:26:50,900
So this is about 3/4 of the way done.
648
00:26:50,942 --> 00:26:53,569
I'll splash a little bit of my pasta water in there
649
00:26:53,611 --> 00:26:55,154
'cause you do want that in there.
650
00:26:55,196 --> 00:26:58,700
So these are pappardelle,
we do an egg yolk based pasta.
651
00:26:58,742 --> 00:27:00,868
There's nothing wrong with a lot of fat.
652
00:27:00,910 --> 00:27:03,204
Finish this off in the sauce about the last 25%,
653
00:27:03,246 --> 00:27:05,915
I'll just throw in a little bit of pecorino cheese.
654
00:27:05,957 --> 00:27:08,418
So we'll grab our plate right here.
655
00:27:17,552 --> 00:27:19,220
And then I'll finish with a little more pecorino
656
00:27:19,262 --> 00:27:21,014
This is just some whipped ricotta
657
00:27:21,056 --> 00:27:23,266
and for the last one this is salsa verde.
658
00:27:23,308 --> 00:27:24,809
Which is basically a mixture,
659
00:27:24,851 --> 00:27:29,064
there's mint, chile flakes caper, anchovy parsley.
660
00:27:30,273 --> 00:27:31,065
Is that it?
661
00:27:31,107 --> 00:27:31,899
That's it.
662
00:27:31,941 --> 00:27:32,734
Let's try it.
663
00:27:37,030 --> 00:27:39,532
The tannin and alcohol and the GSM goes great
664
00:27:39,574 --> 00:27:41,826
with the fatty richness of the dish,
665
00:27:41,868 --> 00:27:44,412
and the big bold dish likes a big bold wine.
666
00:27:53,338 --> 00:27:54,881
These guys got the right idea.
667
00:27:54,923 --> 00:27:57,925
These elephant seals come to
the San Luis Obispo shoreline
668
00:27:57,967 --> 00:27:59,969
twice a year to rest and breed
669
00:28:00,011 --> 00:28:02,722
after the 8 to 10 months a year that they spend at sea.
670
00:28:02,764 --> 00:28:05,933
I hope you enjoyed this episode in San Luis Obispo
671
00:28:05,975 --> 00:28:07,977
and Paso Robles, and we'll see you next time
672
00:28:08,019 --> 00:28:09,812
on V is for Vino.
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