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There's never been
an inquiry of this scale
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in the annals of police history.
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He must speak with a Geordie accent.
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Anybody not meeting
these five points, they're gone.
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Mr Peter Sutcliffe?
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I do not think
the man on the tape is the Ripper.
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You've made that clear.
I want that on record.
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But you're wrong.
This is starting to affect
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the public's confidence in
the police as a whole, nationally.
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The most wanted man
of the century,
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more resources than anyone ever,
and you have failed.
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I want to ask everyone
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to please help us find the person
who killed my daughter.
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He won't be back in a hurry.
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No.
But he'll turn up somewhere.
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It's quiet enough here,
isn't it?
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Yeah, it's fine.
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Come here all the time.
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We won't be disturbed.
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You got a tenner for me?
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Why don't we get in t'back?
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No.
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Erm...
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You're my girlfriend.
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Is this your car, sir?
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Yes.
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Can you give me your name
and address?
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I am John Williams.
65 Dorchester Road, Rotherham.
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And who's she?
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My girlfriend.
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And what's her name?
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I don't know. We've not known
each other that long.
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Right.
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Just stay there.
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Just take the keys
out of your car.
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2-5-6 to Control.
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'Control speaking.'
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Number plate check, please.
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'Roger that. Go ahead.'
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Yeah, it's foxtrot, echo, hotel,
9-0-7, Juliet.
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Over.
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'That's coming up
as a Skoda saloon.
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'Owner is a Mr Aslam Khan. Over.'
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Right, so, the number plates
on your vehicle
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don't match that of the car itself.
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So what's gonna happen now is
I'm gonna arrest you both
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on suspicion of theft.
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And if this turns out
to be soliciting as well...
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Well, we'll get into that
back at the station.
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OK?
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Right, out you get.
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We'll leave your car.
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You heard him. Let's go.
Come on. Chop-chop.
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Come on.
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Yeah, stick them in the back.
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Where do you think you're going?
I need a piss.
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Well, quickly, then.
Do it over there.
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You've been in before, Olivia,
haven't you?
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For prostitution.
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And that's what you were doing
this evening when we picked you up.
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The fines get worse the more
you deny it. You know they do.
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You've got two kids at home -
it says so on here.
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So the more you sit there
not saying owt,
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the more the food's coming off
their table.
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Doesn't it?
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Doesn't it?
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Start by saying your name.
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You know my name.
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Nice and clearly, so PC Small here
can write it down.
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"My name is Olivia Reivers." Go on.
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My name is Olivia Reivers.
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"I am a prostitute."
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I'm a prostitute.
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"And I am guilty, yet again guilty,
of picking up a punter,
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"this time on the evening
of January 2nd 1981."
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Go on, you tell the story.
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Got picked up this evening.
For sex. Go on.
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For sex.
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£10.
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Got in his car, parked up.
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But that were it.
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Then that's when you came along.
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Right.
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Thank you.
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Right, if you just sign here,
I'll let you go.
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You'll get a court date through.
It'll likely mean another fine.
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More severe this time
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because it's repeat offences,
you see.
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This is just what happens
when you can't leave it alone.
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What about this bloke
who picked you up?
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His car number plates
weren't registered in his name.
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What's that got to do with me?
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Well, you've never met him,
or he's not a regular, or...?
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I've no idea who he is.
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He's just some...
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..just some ordinary guy.
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You've given your name
as John Williams
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of Canklow, Rotherham.
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There is no John Williams
of Canklow, Rotherham.
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So, come on. What's your real name?
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Sutcliffe. Peter William Sutcliffe.
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From?
Garden Lane, Heaton.
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Bradford?
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Aye.
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Now, is that your real name
and address, or are those more lies?
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No, no. You can check that.
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So why lie the first time, Peter?
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I said a fake name
because I panicked.
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I regret that now.
I should never have done it.
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Those plates on your car,
they don't belong to you, do they?
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You stole them. Why?
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Didn't want people seeing you
in red light areas.
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It's not against the law
to go in t'red light area.
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We're not saying it is.
It's whores who are criminals.
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We're not saying otherwise.
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We're asking why you'd be
driving about with stolen plates.
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So you're admitting
that you stole them, then?
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So, you've got that now?
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Sorry?
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I've admitted that,
so you can charge me and let me go.
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Well, what's the big hurry, Peter?
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I just wanna get back. That's all.
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To Bradford?
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Yeah, to Bradford, aye.
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A lot of this Ripper business,
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that's been up Bradford way,
hasn't it?
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Leach.
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Was that her name?
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The student. She were Bradford.
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You ever been questioned
about the Ripper, Peter?
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What's so funny about that?
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Look at me.
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Have you been questioned or not?
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Everybody has.
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This one, is it?
It's that one there.
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Right.
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DC Nunn.
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Where?
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Well, I doubt it.
He's never done Sheffield.
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What accent's he got?
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At one in t'morning?
You've no chance.
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No, there's nobody else here,
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and if there were, they'd tell you
the same bloody thing.
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Well, bail him, then.
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Leeds won't send anyone.
They're saying it's too late.
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So they're happy to bail him?
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Well, we can't keep him overnight,
Des. Not on stolen plates.
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Especially if he's admitted it.
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Well, that wouldn't be the reason
we're holding him.
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That'd be the excuse.
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We should follow their advice.
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Bob's right, sir.
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If Leeds aren't bothered,
why should we be?
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Because we're here,
and we can feel it.
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We can feel
that something ain't right.
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I thought you were off home.
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Is it just me
or is the car parked wrong?
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Punters usually park
pointing away from the road
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to stop people seeing in
when they're doing the business.
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He were facing out. Do you remember?
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Like he wanted a quick getaway.
Maybe.
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Or he weren't wanting sex.
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So if he weren't wanting sex,
what were he gonna do?
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But what with?
Sorry?
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Well... if he's t'Ripper,
he'd have had weapons on him,
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a hammer and...
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But we searched him,
searched his car. He never had owt.
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Bob.
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Yeah, that's fine.
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OK, yep, checking for you now.
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Thanks. Bye.
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Ford Corsair.
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Look.
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God, Sue.
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I'll get the others.
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Morning.
Morning.
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Sue?
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Sue.
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What's happening?
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Have they... Have they got him?
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Think so.
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Right, so, they've kept him in,
this fella, overnight.
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So, what they're saying is
one of the coppers went back,
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had a look down by the side
of these bins, you know,
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where they've nicked him,
and that's where they've found it.
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Found what?
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Hammer and knife. Kitchen knife,
same as he used on Rytka.
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Fucking 'ell.
Phone Sheffield.
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Tell 'em
I want that scene sterile.
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No more coppers tramping about
and toing and froing.
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Well, no, look - to be fair,
they did find the weapons.
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There's nothing to link the weapons
to him, is there?
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not unless there's prints.
Are there prints?
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Well, I mean, we've gotta wait.
So where is he now?
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Well, they're bringing him
to West Yorkshire
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so we can take over.
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All right.
And these are his details?
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Yeah.
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Get me George Oldfield.
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Now, come on, what is it?
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This is everything
we've worked towards.
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This is him.
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Grange Moor.
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George. Yeah...
they think they've got him.
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'His name's Peter Sutcliffe.
Lorry driver.'
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'They're getting him back
to West Yorkshire as we speak.'
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We've been here before, Dick.
'Yeah, I know.'
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You have to be absolutely sure.
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'Agreed, but I'll get on it.'
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Mrs Peter Sutcliffe?
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Can we have a word?
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Mrs Sutcliffe,
your husband is in police custody.
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He was brought in last night
in Sheffield,
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being transferred as we speak.
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OK, listen love.
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I've got half the detectives
in the north of England
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saying that your Peter
is The Yorkshire Ripper -
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minds made up.
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So if there's anything you wanna
tell me that might dissuade them
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from that opinion, anything at all,
this is the time to say it.
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Do you mind if we ask
a few questions?
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Just some specifics.
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Would that be all right, Sonia?
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Do you mind if I call you Sonia?
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Sonia, I have a list of dates,
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so if you can think of any way
to demonstrate...
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He would've been at work.
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Sorry?
Or he was with me.
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But Mrs Sutcliffe,
I haven't asked you the dates yet.
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30th of the 10th, 1975.
Now, we know that's five years ago.
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It's vitally important that we know
the whereabouts of Peter.
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Sonia, this is really...
John.
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There's one missing.
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I'll call Millgarth.
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His name's in nominal three times,
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his car's in vehicle
multiple times,
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and he's listed
in triple-area sightings...
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We did our bit, you know?
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If it's him, then everything were
logged and in the right places.
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It's all we could do.
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But if we did that,
then they must've been out.
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They must've interviewed him
already. They must've done.
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They did.... more than once.
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Far too many people
stood around doing nothing
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when there's plenty of work
to be done.
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So get on with it now!
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Have they asked you back in?
No, but they will do.
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They won't want me sitting round
here doing bugger all, will they?
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Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
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I will call you.
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Move!
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The press are outside already.
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I'm speaking to them shortly.
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Yeah, I was just saying that
he's coughed up, he's confessed...
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about ten minutes ago.
He's admitted everything.
256
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He's admitted McCann,
Jackson, Richardson.
257
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He's even admitted to doing
another one after Barbara Leach.
258
00:20:52,963 --> 00:20:55,562
Now, apparently, he said that
he were hoping to get bail.
259
00:20:55,563 --> 00:20:59,322
He said he were gonna get a cab
to Sheffield, pick up them weapons,
260
00:20:59,323 --> 00:21:01,402
then he'd be in the clear.
261
00:21:01,403 --> 00:21:04,682
He... He said all that? What,
just to two bobbies in Sheffield?
262
00:21:04,683 --> 00:21:06,323
Well, he wants it all off his chest.
263
00:21:07,763 --> 00:21:10,722
He said things about the Hill murder
that only the killer could know.
264
00:21:10,723 --> 00:21:14,403
He said things...
well, that nobody ever should know.
265
00:21:15,443 --> 00:21:16,683
Well, let's have it.
266
00:21:18,323 --> 00:21:19,602
Is he a Geordie?
267
00:21:19,603 --> 00:21:21,122
He's from Bradford.
268
00:21:21,123 --> 00:21:23,362
But his voice, Jim.
269
00:21:23,363 --> 00:21:25,522
Does he sound like a Geordie?
270
00:21:25,523 --> 00:21:28,323
He sounds like he's from Bradford.
271
00:21:52,483 --> 00:21:54,843
Hello.
Afternoon. All right.
272
00:21:56,363 --> 00:21:57,963
George.
273
00:22:07,203 --> 00:22:10,922
We have, this afternoon,
in this very building,
274
00:22:10,923 --> 00:22:14,003
detained a man
on several counts of murder.
275
00:22:15,083 --> 00:22:19,163
We are questioning him
in relation to The Ripper murders.
276
00:22:20,323 --> 00:22:24,802
It is expected that he will appear
before the court tomorrow.
277
00:22:24,803 --> 00:22:26,962
Is it fair to say, then,
278
00:22:26,963 --> 00:22:29,282
that the hunt for The Ripper
is over?
279
00:22:29,283 --> 00:22:30,362
'That's right.'
280
00:22:30,363 --> 00:22:32,642
'So, have you got
any information on the man?'
281
00:22:32,643 --> 00:22:34,162
'Not at this stage.'
282
00:22:34,163 --> 00:22:36,522
'Can you tell us
if he's got a Geordie accent?'
283
00:22:36,523 --> 00:22:40,082
'I cannot tell you that
because I've not heard him speak.'
284
00:22:40,083 --> 00:22:41,722
'Can you give us any details
at all?'
285
00:22:41,723 --> 00:22:44,082
I can tell you that we are
286
00:22:44,083 --> 00:22:48,203
absolutely delighted
with developments at this stage.
287
00:22:49,603 --> 00:22:51,322
'Absolutely delighted.'
288
00:22:51,323 --> 00:22:54,563
'Now, please, gents.
Smile for the camera.'
289
00:22:55,763 --> 00:22:57,642
'Really delighted.'
290
00:22:57,643 --> 00:22:59,322
'Give us a smile, George!'
291
00:23:00,803 --> 00:23:02,562
And George is delighted, as well.
292
00:23:02,563 --> 00:23:04,043
Are you delighted, George?
293
00:23:06,363 --> 00:23:08,323
Give us a smile, George!
294
00:23:09,603 --> 00:23:11,202
Absolutely delighted.
295
00:23:33,803 --> 00:23:36,122
'The time is twenty past six.
296
00:23:36,123 --> 00:23:37,682
'The headlines again.
297
00:23:37,683 --> 00:23:40,842
'Peter Sutcliffe, the man who became
known as The Yorkshire Ripper,
298
00:23:40,843 --> 00:23:43,242
'was today sentenced
at the Old Bailey
299
00:23:43,243 --> 00:23:46,762
'to life imprisonment
for the murder of 13 women.
300
00:23:46,763 --> 00:23:48,482
'A lorry driver from Bradford,
301
00:23:48,483 --> 00:23:50,922
'Sutcliffe was a man
so unremarkable
302
00:23:50,923 --> 00:23:54,522
'that for five years, he was able
to elude the biggest manhunt
303
00:23:54,523 --> 00:23:56,042
'in criminal history.
304
00:23:56,043 --> 00:23:59,202
'During that time, he roamed freely
across the north of England,
305
00:23:59,203 --> 00:24:01,762
'attacking and murdering
women indiscriminately.
306
00:24:01,763 --> 00:24:03,642
'The judge, Mr Justice Boreham,
307
00:24:03,643 --> 00:24:06,683
'described Sutcliffe
as an unusually dangerous...'
308
00:24:30,043 --> 00:24:33,323
You've seen it all?
That he admitted to it?
309
00:24:37,203 --> 00:24:38,563
Attacking you.
310
00:24:41,603 --> 00:24:44,842
So, now the trial's finished,
I was thinking we could get started.
311
00:24:44,843 --> 00:24:46,563
We can get that compensation.
312
00:25:04,363 --> 00:25:06,482
They've said it's gonna be
another couple of minutes
313
00:25:06,483 --> 00:25:10,042
before they come live to us
here in the studio.
314
00:25:10,043 --> 00:25:12,242
A make-up woman's coming.
315
00:25:12,243 --> 00:25:14,683
Why would I need make up
for a programme like this?
316
00:25:21,283 --> 00:25:24,882
'Let's see this opening.
Erm, "Trial of the century..." '
317
00:25:24,883 --> 00:25:26,163
I'll make us a tea.
318
00:25:28,243 --> 00:25:32,042
"Crime of the century"
or "Trial of the century", Tony?
319
00:25:32,043 --> 00:25:33,802
I think I can say both, don't you?
320
00:25:33,803 --> 00:25:36,442
Yeah, sure.
Shall we try that?
321
00:25:36,443 --> 00:25:39,402
You happy? Yeah, I think
it might be a bit stronger.
322
00:25:39,403 --> 00:25:42,203
Yeah, trial and crime.
Can you put that on the, erm...
323
00:25:43,603 --> 00:25:47,042
Put that on the autocue,
and I'll see what that sounds like.
324
00:25:47,043 --> 00:25:49,283
Going live in five.
Great, thank you.
325
00:25:50,323 --> 00:25:53,642
The crime and the trial
of the century is over.
326
00:25:53,643 --> 00:25:56,122
The Yorkshire Ripper
has been given a life sentence,
327
00:25:56,123 --> 00:25:58,522
and a five-year manhunt is finished.
328
00:25:58,523 --> 00:26:00,602
Yep, I think that's...
Yeah, I think that's better.
329
00:26:00,603 --> 00:26:02,243
We'll go for that. It's stronger.
330
00:26:03,283 --> 00:26:05,002
'Er, it's a stronger opening.'
331
00:26:07,763 --> 00:26:09,682
Don't be nervous, now.
332
00:26:09,683 --> 00:26:12,722
Just remember to say
the things we spoke about.
333
00:26:12,723 --> 00:26:15,163
We've been through them
a thousand times.
334
00:26:32,203 --> 00:26:35,362
The crime and trial of the century
is over.
335
00:26:35,363 --> 00:26:37,842
The Yorkshire Ripper
has been given a life sentence,
336
00:26:37,843 --> 00:26:40,362
and a five-year manhunt is finished.
337
00:26:40,363 --> 00:26:43,362
But the questions
raised by that manhunt remain.
338
00:26:43,363 --> 00:26:47,002
How efficient was the hunt
for The Yorkshire Ripper?
339
00:26:47,003 --> 00:26:50,682
Ronald Gregory is the chief
constable of West Yorkshire Police.
340
00:26:50,683 --> 00:26:53,322
Irene MacDonald is the mother
of Jayne MacDonald,
341
00:26:53,323 --> 00:26:55,882
murdered by The Ripper in 1977.
342
00:26:55,883 --> 00:26:59,762
And she very bravely has agreed to
join us tonight in our Leeds studio.
343
00:26:59,763 --> 00:27:02,442
Ken Dwyer is a journalist who's been
following the investigation
344
00:27:02,443 --> 00:27:04,642
from the very beginning,
and his book on the case
345
00:27:04,643 --> 00:27:06,962
is now being rushed into print.
346
00:27:06,963 --> 00:27:10,442
Another parent, Mrs Doreen Hill,
is the mother of Jacqueline,
347
00:27:10,443 --> 00:27:11,962
The Ripper's last victim.
348
00:27:11,963 --> 00:27:15,202
She understandably cannot face
the prospect of visiting Leeds
349
00:27:15,203 --> 00:27:16,522
after what has happened,
350
00:27:16,523 --> 00:27:19,082
and so joins us
from one of our London studios.
351
00:27:19,083 --> 00:27:20,642
Chief Constable,
352
00:27:20,643 --> 00:27:23,242
was any wild goose chase
more wild
353
00:27:23,243 --> 00:27:26,042
than that which led the police
to concentrate all its attention
354
00:27:26,043 --> 00:27:27,362
on the voice recording?
355
00:27:27,363 --> 00:27:29,642
And the fact that
you instructed your men
356
00:27:29,643 --> 00:27:31,802
to discount anyone
who didn't have a Geordie accent.
357
00:27:31,803 --> 00:27:32,842
That's not...
358
00:27:32,843 --> 00:27:35,802
Thus allowing The Ripper,
who didn't have a Geordie accent,
359
00:27:35,803 --> 00:27:37,723
to go free for that much longer.
360
00:27:38,843 --> 00:27:42,602
'No, that's not true. You see,
that's a miss-statement immediately.
361
00:27:42,603 --> 00:27:46,522
'We did not reject anyone
who did not have a Geordie accent.
362
00:27:46,523 --> 00:27:51,002
'The decision on the tape was taken
after very careful consideration
363
00:27:51,003 --> 00:27:54,042
'because the senior investigating
officers were in a dilemma.
364
00:27:54,043 --> 00:27:56,442
'Had they chosen
not to reveal the tape,
365
00:27:56,443 --> 00:27:59,562
'they may have faced
much worse criticism.
366
00:27:59,563 --> 00:28:03,842
'So when they did reveal it,
they had to be positive.'
367
00:28:03,843 --> 00:28:05,482
"They."
368
00:28:05,483 --> 00:28:07,642
But at no time was that
the only point of elimination.
369
00:28:07,643 --> 00:28:10,362
But you were eliminating people
who didn't have a Wearside accent.
370
00:28:10,363 --> 00:28:12,163
No, not solely on that.
371
00:28:13,243 --> 00:28:16,682
Mrs Hill,
do you now feel able to say,
372
00:28:16,683 --> 00:28:19,483
"It's over,
I have no more recriminations?"
373
00:28:21,603 --> 00:28:24,802
'There are aspects
that I'm not happy about.
374
00:28:24,803 --> 00:28:28,682
'The handbag was found
on the Monday evening.'
375
00:28:28,683 --> 00:28:31,842
But no-one bothered
to look for its owner.
376
00:28:31,843 --> 00:28:34,562
When the detectives
went to Jacqueline's body,
377
00:28:34,563 --> 00:28:36,602
they knew nothing at all
about that handbag.
378
00:28:36,603 --> 00:28:39,043
Could Mr Gregory clarify that?
379
00:28:40,363 --> 00:28:41,723
'Mr Gregory?'
380
00:28:45,283 --> 00:28:47,362
'I can't remember exactly.
381
00:28:47,363 --> 00:28:50,922
'I know the handbag had been found.
382
00:28:50,923 --> 00:28:53,402
'But I cannot say with any accuracy
383
00:28:53,403 --> 00:28:56,283
'whether the detectives
knew about it at the time.'
384
00:28:57,523 --> 00:28:59,122
'Mrs Hill,
would you welcome an inquiry
385
00:28:59,123 --> 00:29:01,402
'into the way the police
conducted the investigation?'
386
00:29:01,403 --> 00:29:03,802
Yes, I would.
387
00:29:03,803 --> 00:29:06,442
If there's going to be an inquiry,
can I see the report?
388
00:29:06,443 --> 00:29:09,883
Would Mrs Hill be entitled
to see that report?
389
00:29:11,083 --> 00:29:16,122
If Mrs Hill is dissatisfied with
any aspect of the investigation,
390
00:29:16,123 --> 00:29:18,722
if she'd like to come
and see us at any time,
391
00:29:18,723 --> 00:29:22,162
we could explain to her
exactly what happened.
392
00:29:22,163 --> 00:29:24,642
Can I ask a simple question?
No doubt you'll tell me I'm wrong.
393
00:29:24,643 --> 00:29:26,842
But could you not
have done that earlier?
394
00:29:26,843 --> 00:29:29,202
Sent for Mrs Hill
and Mrs MacDonald here
395
00:29:29,203 --> 00:29:32,923
and invited them in
and set their minds at rest?
396
00:29:35,003 --> 00:29:37,642
Well, I don't know what they want
to be reassured about.
397
00:29:37,643 --> 00:29:40,242
'This is the first
I've heard of it.'
398
00:29:40,243 --> 00:29:41,842
'Really, Chief Constable?
399
00:29:41,843 --> 00:29:43,202
'You see no error
400
00:29:43,203 --> 00:29:46,202
'in the five-and-a-half-years
investigation?'
401
00:29:46,203 --> 00:29:49,962
'There may have been errors.
We are not infallible.
402
00:29:49,963 --> 00:29:52,402
'But you are not informed
of what the police did.'
403
00:29:52,403 --> 00:29:54,642
I am informed
about what you didn't do,
404
00:29:54,643 --> 00:29:56,162
and that's catch Peter Sutcliffe.
405
00:29:56,163 --> 00:29:58,922
I'm aware of that.
That's pretty obvious.
406
00:29:58,923 --> 00:30:01,482
Though I'm glad that you welcome
a public inquiry.
407
00:30:01,483 --> 00:30:02,922
No, I didn't say that.
408
00:30:02,923 --> 00:30:05,122
I would not resent an inquiry,
409
00:30:05,123 --> 00:30:09,282
but who did the inquiry and how it
was conducted would be important.
410
00:30:09,283 --> 00:30:12,402
'You see, the public
and so many commentators
411
00:30:12,403 --> 00:30:13,642
'have criticised the police
412
00:30:13,643 --> 00:30:16,922
'when they have not been privy
to all that the police have done.
413
00:30:16,923 --> 00:30:20,443
'Until they are, they should
reserve judgement and criticism.'
414
00:30:24,203 --> 00:30:25,682
Well, we are grateful to everyone
415
00:30:25,683 --> 00:30:27,442
who's taken part
in tonight's discussion,
416
00:30:27,443 --> 00:30:30,042
but we're particularly mindful
of the courage it must have taken
417
00:30:30,043 --> 00:30:34,202
for both Mrs MacDonald and Mrs Hill
to speak out in public tonight.
418
00:30:34,203 --> 00:30:36,682
'Our thoughts must be with them
419
00:30:36,683 --> 00:30:39,962
'and with all the other relatives
of the Ripper's victims.
420
00:30:39,963 --> 00:30:42,043
'From Leeds, good night.'
421
00:30:43,883 --> 00:30:46,362
Everybody stay seated.
422
00:30:46,363 --> 00:30:48,483
Nice and still
while the credits roll.
423
00:30:51,043 --> 00:30:52,482
OK, thanks everyone.
424
00:30:52,483 --> 00:30:54,242
We're just waiting to hear
from the gallery
425
00:30:54,243 --> 00:30:55,842
in case there's anything to pick up.
426
00:31:07,763 --> 00:31:09,562
What about the accent?
427
00:31:09,563 --> 00:31:11,402
What about the fact
that our daughter was told
428
00:31:11,403 --> 00:31:13,123
that men in Yorkshire were safe?
429
00:31:14,203 --> 00:31:16,242
And why did they call him
The Ripper?
430
00:31:16,243 --> 00:31:18,802
He said it over and over on TV,
"The Ripper".
431
00:31:18,803 --> 00:31:20,402
Like that's his name.
432
00:31:20,403 --> 00:31:22,202
That's just what they say, love.
No.
433
00:31:22,203 --> 00:31:24,842
That's what people used to say
when they didn't know who he was.
434
00:31:24,843 --> 00:31:26,562
When they didn't know his name.
435
00:31:26,563 --> 00:31:28,882
But now they know his name,
why don't they use it?
436
00:31:28,883 --> 00:31:31,603
Why do they have to say
that wretched word?
437
00:31:37,963 --> 00:31:39,683
I'll get someone
to take that thing off.
438
00:32:08,363 --> 00:32:10,842
"As Police Constable Andrew Laptew
439
00:32:10,843 --> 00:32:14,522
"sat in Sutcliffe's modestly
furnished living room in Bradford,
440
00:32:14,523 --> 00:32:17,162
"he realised that everything
the police knew about The Ripper
441
00:32:17,163 --> 00:32:18,962
"fitted the man he was questioning.
442
00:32:18,963 --> 00:32:22,842
"He became convinced
Sutcliffe was The Ripper.
443
00:32:22,843 --> 00:32:24,442
"He submitted a report
saying as much
444
00:32:24,443 --> 00:32:26,042
"to The Ripper headquarters
in Leeds."
445
00:32:26,043 --> 00:32:28,962
Everything just "fitted", did it?
It's not how it looks.
446
00:32:28,963 --> 00:32:32,122
Did everything just fall into place
for Sherlock fucking Holmes?
447
00:32:32,123 --> 00:32:33,842
How much they pay you?
They didn't.
448
00:32:33,843 --> 00:32:36,002
No? So why go round there?
I didn't.
449
00:32:36,003 --> 00:32:37,362
To cover his arse.
450
00:32:37,363 --> 00:32:38,682
He met Sutcliffe,
451
00:32:38,683 --> 00:32:41,722
and then all he did was hand in some
shitty bit of paper, and that's it.
452
00:32:41,723 --> 00:32:44,522
Three more lasses get butchered,
and he's got to live with that then,
453
00:32:44,523 --> 00:32:46,482
the fact that he never followed up.
454
00:32:46,483 --> 00:32:48,442
And that is why he called 'em.
Not true, sir.
455
00:32:48,443 --> 00:32:50,042
Make it known
that it wasn't his fault.
456
00:32:50,043 --> 00:32:53,362
A journalist knocked on my door.
He'd heard I'd put a report in.
457
00:32:53,363 --> 00:32:55,442
Said he'd got a tip.
A tip-off? From who?
458
00:32:55,443 --> 00:32:56,682
No idea. But I said nothing.
459
00:32:56,683 --> 00:32:59,362
Is someone trying to protect you?
Read the article.
460
00:32:59,363 --> 00:33:01,522
Cos you went round there...
You'll find no quotes...
461
00:33:01,523 --> 00:33:04,282
Sat there and had a cup of tea
with him in his front fucking room.
462
00:33:04,283 --> 00:33:06,402
I weren't the only one.
Sorry?
463
00:33:06,403 --> 00:33:08,803
He'd been interviewed nine times.
464
00:33:11,483 --> 00:33:12,923
Nine?
465
00:33:14,043 --> 00:33:16,402
That's what they're saying.
T'lasses in t'incident room.
466
00:33:16,403 --> 00:33:18,922
So what does it matter
who spoke to what journalist,
467
00:33:18,923 --> 00:33:22,763
when nine times we went round there,
and nine times we failed?
468
00:33:24,123 --> 00:33:26,322
Just like you failed
when I handed you that report
469
00:33:26,323 --> 00:33:29,642
cos you were blinded by that tape,
by that stupid accent. Careful.
470
00:33:29,643 --> 00:33:31,242
It's not me
that's got to live with it,
471
00:33:31,243 --> 00:33:33,482
with them three dead girls,
it's all of us.
472
00:33:33,483 --> 00:33:35,723
But it is you and Oldfield the most.
473
00:33:37,123 --> 00:33:39,443
You watch your fucking mouth.
474
00:33:49,363 --> 00:33:52,243
I want to create
a substantial new role for you.
475
00:33:53,323 --> 00:33:56,162
A role befitting of an
experienced chap like you, George.
476
00:33:56,163 --> 00:33:58,962
Chief of Operational Support.
477
00:33:58,963 --> 00:34:01,883
Running the engine room,
for the whole of West Yorkshire.
478
00:34:03,643 --> 00:34:05,282
To oversee the policing
of all vehicles
479
00:34:05,283 --> 00:34:08,562
and road-based transport
in our portion of the county.
480
00:34:08,563 --> 00:34:09,762
Traffic.
481
00:34:09,763 --> 00:34:12,722
To oversee the safekeeping of
criminal records and documentation.
482
00:34:12,723 --> 00:34:14,242
The library.
483
00:34:14,243 --> 00:34:18,082
And a full oversight of frogmen,
police dogs and police horses.
484
00:34:18,083 --> 00:34:21,082
Animals.
Frogmen aren't animals, George.
485
00:34:21,083 --> 00:34:23,082
They just have an animal
in their name.
486
00:34:23,083 --> 00:34:24,403
Well, I won't do it.
487
00:34:26,043 --> 00:34:29,923
I'm not going from Head of CID
to running the police farmyard.
488
00:34:31,163 --> 00:34:33,843
People'll think I've been fired.
489
00:34:40,483 --> 00:34:42,403
There's shit
coming down the line, George.
490
00:34:43,403 --> 00:34:46,683
And before I retire, I want
to make sure that you are protected.
491
00:34:50,283 --> 00:34:52,243
We attribute it to your health.
492
00:34:54,163 --> 00:34:56,003
Needn't be a reflection
of you and your team.
493
00:34:58,243 --> 00:35:00,002
What about Dick?
494
00:35:00,003 --> 00:35:02,322
I'll find something for Dick.
495
00:35:02,323 --> 00:35:03,803
Well...
496
00:35:05,123 --> 00:35:07,962
..you know, if there's shit
coming down the line,
497
00:35:07,963 --> 00:35:11,323
then you put as many people
in the way of it as you can?
498
00:35:12,803 --> 00:35:14,483
Don't hold back.
499
00:35:17,883 --> 00:35:21,202
Margaret wanted to know
if those gifts had arrived.
500
00:35:21,203 --> 00:35:22,842
For Grace's birthday.
501
00:35:22,843 --> 00:35:24,203
I don't know, George.
502
00:35:25,843 --> 00:35:28,002
That's very kind of her.
I shall ask.
503
00:35:28,003 --> 00:35:30,243
Well, she's good like that, my wife.
504
00:35:32,403 --> 00:35:33,643
Considerate.
505
00:35:52,763 --> 00:35:55,082
Mr Byford, Mr Nevill.
Morning.
506
00:35:55,083 --> 00:35:57,842
If you want to follow me,
I can show you upstairs?
507
00:35:57,843 --> 00:35:59,043
Thank you.
Yep.
508
00:36:00,963 --> 00:36:03,282
You are a bit earlier
than we expected,
509
00:36:03,283 --> 00:36:04,683
but, er, we're nearly ready.
510
00:36:06,083 --> 00:36:08,202
This is Mr Byford,
511
00:36:08,203 --> 00:36:10,402
he'll be doing the official inquiry.
Hello.
512
00:36:10,403 --> 00:36:11,683
- Hello.
- Sir.
513
00:36:12,803 --> 00:36:16,763
Did you ladies work on the inquiry,
or are you just packing things up?
514
00:36:20,003 --> 00:36:21,723
We did our share, sir.
515
00:36:22,803 --> 00:36:25,362
Mr Byford requested you draw
all accounts from your system
516
00:36:25,363 --> 00:36:26,842
that might relate to Sutcliffe.
517
00:36:26,843 --> 00:36:29,202
Vehicles, Photofits,
anything you might think relevant.
518
00:36:29,203 --> 00:36:31,283
Yes, sir. Follow me.
519
00:36:33,323 --> 00:36:35,282
Statements, sightings,
520
00:36:35,283 --> 00:36:38,042
any other paperwork, we've boxed up
and we've put in this office
521
00:36:38,043 --> 00:36:41,003
cos, well,
it's more private in here.
522
00:36:45,123 --> 00:36:48,642
These Photofits go back from 1972.
523
00:36:48,643 --> 00:36:50,722
These are from the women
who survived.
524
00:36:50,723 --> 00:36:54,803
The women he attacked
or followed or chased.
525
00:36:56,523 --> 00:36:58,722
The ones he left for dead.
526
00:36:58,723 --> 00:37:01,442
These are what they said they saw.
527
00:37:01,443 --> 00:37:04,882
But not all of the women
were believed.
528
00:37:04,883 --> 00:37:09,643
And these two photos, sir,
these are of Sutcliffe himself.
529
00:37:10,723 --> 00:37:13,562
Er, this one from January.
530
00:37:13,563 --> 00:37:18,763
And this one from when
he was arrested in '69.
531
00:37:21,003 --> 00:37:22,722
Arrested in '69?
532
00:37:22,723 --> 00:37:25,002
For going equipped.
533
00:37:25,003 --> 00:37:28,163
He was caught, late at night,
carrying a hammer.
534
00:37:32,523 --> 00:37:34,083
That's when he started.
535
00:38:31,363 --> 00:38:33,202
Richard McCann?
536
00:38:33,203 --> 00:38:35,202
Is this about our Sonia?
What's she done now?
537
00:38:35,203 --> 00:38:37,082
She only left the house
about an hour ago.
538
00:38:37,083 --> 00:38:38,443
Are you the son of Wilma McCann?
539
00:38:40,243 --> 00:38:42,322
I'm Detective Chief Superintendent
Chris Gregg.
540
00:38:42,323 --> 00:38:44,682
I was a young detective
on the Peter Sutcliffe case.
541
00:38:44,683 --> 00:38:47,002
Sorry, but what's this...?
542
00:38:47,003 --> 00:38:48,922
Because I find these things...
543
00:38:48,923 --> 00:38:50,523
Can I come in?
544
00:38:55,643 --> 00:38:58,122
I've been visiting
all the next of kin,
545
00:38:58,123 --> 00:39:01,363
those related to the victims,
as we've had a development.
546
00:39:02,963 --> 00:39:06,682
A few years ago, we arrested a man
for being drunk and disorderly.
547
00:39:06,683 --> 00:39:08,082
As a result of his conviction,
548
00:39:08,083 --> 00:39:09,802
he had to provide us
with a DNA sample
549
00:39:09,803 --> 00:39:11,762
for the National Database.
550
00:39:11,763 --> 00:39:14,082
Because I'm now Chief Super,
551
00:39:14,083 --> 00:39:17,802
and because this case
really matters to me,
552
00:39:17,803 --> 00:39:20,722
I make sure to run DNA tests
every few years, you see.
553
00:39:20,723 --> 00:39:22,122
Tests on what?
554
00:39:22,123 --> 00:39:25,003
On the man who wrote the letters.
555
00:39:26,043 --> 00:39:28,082
There were never any prints,
but recently,
556
00:39:28,083 --> 00:39:30,242
we found DNA
where he licked the envelope.
557
00:39:30,243 --> 00:39:33,642
So two weeks ago, we ran the tests,
558
00:39:33,643 --> 00:39:35,562
and we found a direct match
559
00:39:35,563 --> 00:39:38,443
with the man who we'd arrested
for being drunk and disorderly.
560
00:39:39,443 --> 00:39:41,442
That man...
561
00:39:41,443 --> 00:39:42,843
is the man on the tape.
562
00:39:44,403 --> 00:39:45,442
The man...
563
00:39:45,443 --> 00:39:47,763
The man who sent the tape.
564
00:39:50,363 --> 00:39:51,603
He's owned up to it.
565
00:39:53,603 --> 00:39:57,202
Said that it was him,
that he regrets it,
566
00:39:57,203 --> 00:39:58,602
the damage that he's caused...
567
00:39:58,603 --> 00:40:00,563
Wait. No, no, no. I, er...
568
00:40:03,443 --> 00:40:05,882
I need to hear him.
Hear his voice.
569
00:40:05,883 --> 00:40:07,962
I-I need to...
Is there any way that you...?
570
00:40:07,963 --> 00:40:10,042
Yeah,
that's one of the reasons I'm here.
571
00:40:10,043 --> 00:40:12,082
Do you mind if I use
your DVD player? No.
572
00:40:12,083 --> 00:40:13,402
It's just to show you,
573
00:40:13,403 --> 00:40:15,442
like I'm showing
all the other friends and family.
574
00:40:15,443 --> 00:40:18,443
But only if it'll help.
You don't have to.
575
00:40:22,403 --> 00:40:25,203
His name is John Humble.
He's from Sunderland.
576
00:40:26,963 --> 00:40:28,202
We had him read out the letters
577
00:40:28,203 --> 00:40:30,402
in case he later
withdrew his confession.
578
00:40:30,403 --> 00:40:32,042
'We've got a transcript here.
579
00:40:32,043 --> 00:40:34,442
'Would you read that
for us please, John? Back in...'
580
00:40:34,443 --> 00:40:38,162
'That's if I can see it.
My eyes are a bit dodgy, you know.'
581
00:40:38,163 --> 00:40:39,722
'Take your time.'
582
00:40:39,723 --> 00:40:41,642
' "I'm Jack.
583
00:40:41,643 --> 00:40:45,522
' "I see you are still
having no luck catching me.
584
00:40:45,523 --> 00:40:50,282
' "I have the greatest respect
for you, George, but, Lord!
585
00:40:50,283 --> 00:40:55,763
' "You are no nearer catching me now
than four years ago, when I started.
586
00:40:57,683 --> 00:41:00,842
' "I reckon your boys
are letting you down, George.
587
00:41:00,843 --> 00:41:04,162
' "They can't be much good,
can they?
588
00:41:04,163 --> 00:41:05,802
' "The only time
they came near..." '
589
00:41:08,443 --> 00:41:09,523
That's him.
590
00:41:11,403 --> 00:41:12,603
The voice.
591
00:41:15,923 --> 00:41:17,483
The man who killed Mum.
592
00:41:18,523 --> 00:41:19,602
No, no.
593
00:41:19,603 --> 00:41:21,722
He's just the man who...
No, no...
594
00:41:21,723 --> 00:41:23,883
Maybe not for you, but for me.
595
00:41:25,563 --> 00:41:28,523
D'you know, when they first caught
Sutcliffe, no-one bothered.
596
00:41:31,003 --> 00:41:32,842
They were busy patting
each other on the back,
597
00:41:32,843 --> 00:41:35,803
but no-one actually came
to tell me and Sonia, so thank you.
598
00:41:41,643 --> 00:41:43,043
Why...
599
00:41:44,483 --> 00:41:47,042
..did he do that?
Why did he send the tape?
600
00:41:47,043 --> 00:41:49,122
You must have asked him.
Yeah.
601
00:41:49,123 --> 00:41:50,523
And...?
602
00:41:51,643 --> 00:41:53,443
Notoriety.
603
00:41:55,243 --> 00:41:57,242
And everything he said on the tape,
604
00:41:57,243 --> 00:42:01,002
every word and every detail
that he put down in those letters,
605
00:42:01,003 --> 00:42:02,722
it was all there
in the papers already.
606
00:42:02,723 --> 00:42:07,042
It was all there for him
to read and write down
607
00:42:07,043 --> 00:42:08,882
and pass off as his own.
608
00:42:08,883 --> 00:42:10,962
And my predecessors,
they never worked that out.
609
00:42:10,963 --> 00:42:12,683
And, erm... you know...
610
00:42:14,523 --> 00:42:15,843
..I only wish they had.
611
00:42:30,883 --> 00:42:32,522
Hello, mate.
612
00:42:32,523 --> 00:42:34,523
'People often ask me...
613
00:42:35,843 --> 00:42:41,123
'.."how you do you even begin
to get over something like that?" '
614
00:42:42,363 --> 00:42:46,402
And, erm, "What it's like,
being a survivor?"
615
00:42:48,163 --> 00:42:50,242
We're not survivors.
We're surviving.
616
00:42:50,243 --> 00:42:53,482
It's a, er... What do you call it?
617
00:42:53,483 --> 00:42:55,162
A work in progress.
618
00:42:55,163 --> 00:42:57,082
We're managing.
619
00:42:57,083 --> 00:42:58,523
The good days...
620
00:42:59,603 --> 00:43:01,962
..and the bad days.
621
00:43:01,963 --> 00:43:03,122
And, erm...
622
00:43:03,123 --> 00:43:05,482
the best we can hope for
is that very rare thing.
623
00:43:05,483 --> 00:43:07,002
The odd day, when you're working...
624
00:43:07,003 --> 00:43:09,323
I'm a motivational speaker
these days.
625
00:43:10,643 --> 00:43:12,963
But whatever it might be,
when...
626
00:43:14,763 --> 00:43:16,643
..when it doesn't cross your mind.
627
00:43:19,323 --> 00:43:21,762
Or at least you think it doesn't,
and...
628
00:43:21,763 --> 00:43:23,762
till right before bedtime,
629
00:43:23,763 --> 00:43:25,922
when it pops into your head,
and you think...
630
00:43:25,923 --> 00:43:29,523
"God...
I nearly made it through."
631
00:43:34,083 --> 00:43:35,203
Sorry.
632
00:43:44,963 --> 00:43:46,803
Our mum were never a prostitute.
633
00:43:48,843 --> 00:43:51,882
Yes, she liked a drink,
and-and...
634
00:43:51,883 --> 00:43:53,242
yes, she had boyfriends.
635
00:43:53,243 --> 00:43:55,562
She-She probably
got up to all sorts.
636
00:43:55,563 --> 00:43:58,643
The point is,
the police never bothered to check.
637
00:44:00,203 --> 00:44:01,722
Those men in charge,
638
00:44:01,723 --> 00:44:04,522
they were more fixed
on finding out who he was.
639
00:44:04,523 --> 00:44:07,442
They never even bothered
to find out who Mum was.
640
00:44:07,443 --> 00:44:09,083
And it was the same
for the rest of them.
641
00:44:10,483 --> 00:44:12,202
The police, they showed up,
642
00:44:12,203 --> 00:44:16,522
and they saw a crime scene,
and they saw a victim.
643
00:44:16,523 --> 00:44:20,923
But what very few of them
ever actually saw were the women.
644
00:44:25,803 --> 00:44:27,323
And that's what's important now.
645
00:44:29,683 --> 00:44:31,563
We want to make those women visible.
646
00:44:33,443 --> 00:44:34,843
We want to see 'em in colour.
647
00:44:38,043 --> 00:44:43,003
We want to bring them out of that...
that same long shadow.
648
00:47:12,843 --> 00:47:14,883
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