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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,000 Downloaded From www.AllSubs.org 2 00:00:26,626 --> 00:00:31,029 Good evening. You are about to see a dramatization of actual facts... 3 00:00:31,197 --> 00:00:35,531 ...in which some of the names have been changed. But the story is true. 4 00:00:35,702 --> 00:00:38,227 If it were not true, it would not be believable... 5 00:00:38,405 --> 00:00:41,568 ...for it is one of the most bizarre chapters in the history of crime. 6 00:00:42,042 --> 00:00:44,840 We may not like to accept that people such as those... 7 00:00:45,011 --> 00:00:49,414 ...in the story of Helter Skelter exist in our life, and yet they do. 8 00:00:49,582 --> 00:00:54,679 And while they do, we cannot say that the story of Helter Skelter is ended. 9 00:01:06,032 --> 00:01:08,523 The foothills and canyons above Beverly Hills... 10 00:01:08,701 --> 00:01:12,762 ...in the early morning hours of Saturday, August 9, 1969. 11 00:01:12,939 --> 00:01:15,430 "It was so quiet, " one of the killers would say... 12 00:01:15,608 --> 00:01:18,338 ..."you could hear ice rattling in cocktail shakers... 13 00:01:18,511 --> 00:01:21,776 ...in the homes way down the canyon. " 14 00:01:21,948 --> 00:01:25,645 What was that? Sounded like a gun. 15 00:01:27,053 --> 00:01:29,613 Come on, let's go to bed. 16 00:01:29,789 --> 00:01:31,518 All right. 17 00:01:57,250 --> 00:02:01,380 Hey, hey, hey. Shut up, you two. 18 00:02:01,554 --> 00:02:05,251 You two are gonna end up in the pound if you don't look out. 19 00:02:05,425 --> 00:02:08,883 Now what's the matter, boy, huh? What's the matter? 20 00:02:09,062 --> 00:02:11,189 Cookie, Cookie. 21 00:02:11,364 --> 00:02:16,199 - What are you shaking for, huh? - Please, don't. Don't. No, please. 22 00:02:16,369 --> 00:02:19,463 Please, no. No. No! 23 00:02:30,617 --> 00:02:33,142 And what direction did the screams come from? 24 00:02:33,319 --> 00:02:38,188 I couldn't say exactly. In these hills the sounds get scrambled. 25 00:04:04,143 --> 00:04:09,046 Murder! Murder! Murder! 26 00:04:22,895 --> 00:04:25,693 Six-Adam-25 at location. 27 00:04:27,133 --> 00:04:30,432 All right, please, everybody move back. Just move back, please. 28 00:04:30,603 --> 00:04:32,833 We don't know anything yet. 29 00:04:33,006 --> 00:04:36,840 How do you open this thing? Miss, how do you open this thing? 30 00:04:48,087 --> 00:04:50,555 I'll need you to identify the bodies. 31 00:04:50,723 --> 00:04:53,851 I can't go back in there. No, no, no way. 32 00:04:55,395 --> 00:04:57,158 No. 33 00:04:58,631 --> 00:05:02,123 Hey, look, there's even blood on this button. 34 00:05:31,364 --> 00:05:34,856 Is that the killer? Where did you find him? 35 00:05:35,034 --> 00:05:36,934 How many did he kill? 36 00:05:37,103 --> 00:05:40,368 - Well, what's his name? - Garretson, William. 37 00:05:42,642 --> 00:05:45,372 Mr. Rosner? Sergeant Smith, Homicide. 38 00:05:45,545 --> 00:05:48,309 - You are Mr. Polanski's business manager? - Yeah. 39 00:05:48,481 --> 00:05:53,077 It's going to be difficult for you, sir, we know, but we need your help. 40 00:05:53,386 --> 00:05:55,217 This way. 41 00:06:00,827 --> 00:06:04,092 The first one is in this car here, Mr. Rosner. 42 00:06:16,409 --> 00:06:18,741 - Can you identify him, sir? - No. 43 00:06:18,911 --> 00:06:22,312 - No idea? - I never saw him before. 44 00:06:22,482 --> 00:06:26,111 All right, can we look at the others now, please? 45 00:06:54,881 --> 00:06:57,907 - Voytek. - Who? 46 00:06:58,084 --> 00:07:00,882 A friend of Roman's from Poland. 47 00:07:01,053 --> 00:07:03,578 Voytek Frykowski. 48 00:07:03,756 --> 00:07:05,747 Okay, good. 49 00:07:33,085 --> 00:07:35,576 Do you know her? 50 00:07:35,755 --> 00:07:37,518 I think so. 51 00:07:39,358 --> 00:07:43,351 It'd be a big help if you could make it positive. 52 00:07:55,374 --> 00:07:57,274 Gibby. 53 00:08:02,548 --> 00:08:04,709 Abigail Folger. 54 00:08:04,884 --> 00:08:07,444 The coffee family. 55 00:08:07,620 --> 00:08:11,852 Yeah, she and Voytek were staying with... 56 00:08:12,024 --> 00:08:14,925 ...Sharon while Roman was- 57 00:08:16,529 --> 00:08:18,326 Sharon? 58 00:08:21,133 --> 00:08:23,397 I'll have that blood sample in five seconds. 59 00:08:23,569 --> 00:08:25,264 Okay. 60 00:08:30,142 --> 00:08:32,235 I'll get that later. 61 00:08:49,962 --> 00:08:52,055 That's Jay... 62 00:08:52,231 --> 00:08:54,290 ...Sebring. 63 00:08:57,703 --> 00:09:00,797 I think, I don't really know. 64 00:09:01,374 --> 00:09:04,172 I know he's beat all to hell, but you're pretty sure? 65 00:09:10,750 --> 00:09:12,877 Yes. 66 00:09:14,787 --> 00:09:18,382 Would you come to this side of the sofa, please, Mr. Rosner? 67 00:09:36,242 --> 00:09:40,008 Oh, my God. Sharon. 68 00:09:57,797 --> 00:10:00,857 Often called one of the world's most beautiful women... 69 00:10:01,033 --> 00:10:04,696 ...Miss Tate was eight months pregnant at the time of her death. 70 00:10:04,870 --> 00:10:08,362 Her body, clad only in flowered bikini panties and bra... 71 00:10:08,541 --> 00:10:10,839 ...and bearing multiple stab wounds... 72 00:10:11,010 --> 00:10:13,808 ...was found with a nylon rope tied around her neck. 73 00:10:13,980 --> 00:10:16,744 The other end was around the neck of Jay Sebring... 74 00:10:16,916 --> 00:10:20,249 ...known men's hair stylist, who according to police... 75 00:10:20,419 --> 00:10:23,081 ...had been stabbed, beaten and shot. 76 00:10:23,255 --> 00:10:27,123 Police describe Garretson's answers as stuporous and unresponsive. 77 00:10:27,293 --> 00:10:30,023 They said he would be held for further questioning. 78 00:10:30,196 --> 00:10:33,495 In other developments, law enforcement sources confirm today... 79 00:10:33,666 --> 00:10:36,692 ...that drugs have been found in the house on Elysium Drive... 80 00:10:36,869 --> 00:10:40,236 ...as well as in Jay Sebring's Porsche. 81 00:10:40,406 --> 00:10:44,672 One day after the Tate murders, Leno and Rosemary LaBianca... 82 00:10:44,844 --> 00:10:47,836 ...return from a trip to the mountains. 83 00:10:49,115 --> 00:10:50,810 Veteran newsmen theorize... 84 00:10:50,983 --> 00:10:55,511 ...that the fact that Garretson was held for questioning had not been specifically- 85 00:10:55,688 --> 00:10:57,883 - How are you folks? - Fine, Herb. 86 00:10:58,057 --> 00:11:01,618 - I'm not. - She's upset because of these killings. 87 00:11:01,794 --> 00:11:04,262 - A terrible thing. - Yeah. 88 00:11:04,430 --> 00:11:06,398 The world is full of crazies. 89 00:11:06,565 --> 00:11:10,661 - They got the guy, so what's the worry? - It sure sounds like the guy. 90 00:11:10,836 --> 00:11:13,396 - Have you folks been up at the lake? - Yeah. 91 00:11:13,572 --> 00:11:15,631 - It must be nice there. - I don't know. 92 00:11:15,941 --> 00:11:18,102 I couldn't get a racing form up there. 93 00:11:18,277 --> 00:11:23,044 Listen, the last time we were up there somebody went through our house. 94 00:11:23,215 --> 00:11:25,775 - I'll see you later. - So long. 95 00:11:42,868 --> 00:11:45,894 - How old are you? - Nineteen. 96 00:11:46,072 --> 00:11:48,802 Keep your look forward, please. 97 00:11:50,976 --> 00:11:53,536 Were you the caretaker? 98 00:11:53,713 --> 00:11:55,647 Yes, sir. 99 00:11:58,551 --> 00:12:01,349 Is your true last name Garretson? 100 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,317 Yes. 101 00:12:06,025 --> 00:12:09,927 Did you know the boy they found dead in the car? 102 00:12:10,796 --> 00:12:14,960 Steve Parent. But not so good. 103 00:12:15,501 --> 00:12:17,867 Concerning Steve Parent, did you cause his death? 104 00:12:18,170 --> 00:12:20,195 No. 105 00:12:25,978 --> 00:12:28,412 You understood the question? 106 00:12:28,581 --> 00:12:30,674 Yes. 107 00:12:31,784 --> 00:12:35,584 Do you feel responsible for Steve's death? 108 00:12:37,656 --> 00:12:41,114 - Well, that he even knew me, yeah. - Huh? 109 00:12:41,560 --> 00:12:43,721 Well, that he even knew me. 110 00:12:43,896 --> 00:12:47,059 I mean, he wouldn't have come to visit me that night. 111 00:12:47,233 --> 00:12:51,533 Nothing would've happened, in other words, to him. 112 00:12:54,206 --> 00:12:57,505 Did you cause Mrs. Polanski's death? 113 00:12:57,676 --> 00:12:59,769 No. 114 00:13:08,521 --> 00:13:10,989 Why are you so nervous? 115 00:13:12,258 --> 00:13:15,921 - Wouldn't you be? - Not if I was telling the truth. 116 00:13:17,530 --> 00:13:19,259 But I am telling the truth. 117 00:13:19,899 --> 00:13:22,663 So relax. 118 00:13:23,402 --> 00:13:26,599 I can tell you what made me so nervous if you want to know. 119 00:13:27,406 --> 00:13:29,237 What? 120 00:13:29,408 --> 00:13:31,433 When they brought me in here... 121 00:13:31,610 --> 00:13:35,876 ...a policeman pointed to me and said, "That's the guy. 122 00:13:36,048 --> 00:13:38,414 That's the guy who killed all those people. " 123 00:13:39,351 --> 00:13:44,311 - So it's not because you're lying? - I'm not lying. 124 00:13:44,490 --> 00:13:46,117 I'm just confused. 125 00:13:46,892 --> 00:13:49,383 Why are you confused? 126 00:13:50,296 --> 00:13:52,958 Well, for one thing... 127 00:13:53,132 --> 00:13:56,192 ...how come I wasn't murdered? 128 00:14:01,774 --> 00:14:03,969 - Are you Franklyn? - Yeah. 129 00:14:04,143 --> 00:14:07,237 Harry Jones, Sheriff's Homicide, and my partner, Bob White. 130 00:14:07,413 --> 00:14:11,850 - We know each other. Hi, Ted. - Sit down, fellas. You want some coffee? 131 00:14:12,017 --> 00:14:15,885 - Oh, we're on our way to eat. - Well, it's about that time. 132 00:14:16,055 --> 00:14:19,286 - You're on Tate, right? - Yeah. 133 00:14:19,458 --> 00:14:21,585 What do you got? 134 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,752 Maybe nothing. We've been on the Hinman case. 135 00:14:24,930 --> 00:14:28,388 Hinman, the music teacher? 136 00:14:28,567 --> 00:14:31,195 He was cut up pretty good like the Tate people. 137 00:14:31,370 --> 00:14:35,773 The same kind of crazy viciousness, you know. 138 00:14:36,508 --> 00:14:41,343 And we saw in the Teletype that the Tate killers left a message, "pig. " 139 00:14:41,747 --> 00:14:42,975 Yeah, in blood. 140 00:14:43,682 --> 00:14:46,651 The Hinman killers wrote "political piggy" on the wall. 141 00:14:46,819 --> 00:14:49,617 - In blood. - Well, didn't you pick up somebody on that? 142 00:14:50,022 --> 00:14:53,458 - Bobby Beausoleil. - So he was in custody during Tate? 143 00:14:53,726 --> 00:14:56,559 The thing is we don't think he was alone on Hinman. 144 00:14:56,729 --> 00:14:59,493 He's been living with a bunch of hippies at the old- 145 00:14:59,665 --> 00:15:03,795 A bunch of weirdos out there. They think their leader is Jesus Christ. 146 00:15:04,236 --> 00:15:07,797 Jesus Christ, huh? Peace and love and flowers. 147 00:15:07,973 --> 00:15:11,465 These are bigtime dope murders, Harry. Now we're sure of that. 148 00:15:13,012 --> 00:15:15,378 Well... 149 00:15:15,547 --> 00:15:17,947 ...we thought it was worth mentioning anyhow. 150 00:15:18,117 --> 00:15:21,814 Similar mode of death, message left in both places... 151 00:15:21,987 --> 00:15:26,481 ...both printed, both in blood, the word "pig" in both messages. 152 00:15:26,659 --> 00:15:31,323 Well, I see what you mean, but the dope angle is the only one that fits here. 153 00:15:33,098 --> 00:15:37,228 - You want to come and eat with us? - No, thanks, I'm brown-bagging. 154 00:15:37,403 --> 00:15:38,995 I gotta hang around. 155 00:15:39,171 --> 00:15:42,163 So long, sir. Good luck. 156 00:15:49,748 --> 00:15:53,844 Sunday, two days after the Tate murders. 157 00:16:12,738 --> 00:16:15,263 I really am sorry, sis, to get you up so late. 158 00:16:15,441 --> 00:16:17,500 That's okay, Frank. I don't blame you. 159 00:16:17,676 --> 00:16:20,736 When I saw all the shades down and the boat in the driveway... 160 00:16:20,913 --> 00:16:24,110 ...and the light on in the kitchen and Mom didn't answer... 161 00:16:24,283 --> 00:16:27,980 ...when I kept knocking, well, I got a little scared to go in. 162 00:16:28,153 --> 00:16:30,383 You did the right thing. 163 00:16:42,468 --> 00:16:46,666 Susan, why don't you wait here, and Frank and I'll take a look. 164 00:17:13,532 --> 00:17:17,730 Garretson is released for lack of evidence three days after the Tate murders... 165 00:17:17,903 --> 00:17:19,200 ...two after LaBianca. 166 00:17:25,144 --> 00:17:28,671 I don't see any connection between the Tate and LaBianca killings. 167 00:17:28,847 --> 00:17:31,907 There are similarities, but we think the dissimilarities... 168 00:17:32,084 --> 00:17:35,485 ...are so strong as to preclude any connection. For instance- 169 00:17:35,654 --> 00:17:38,521 - And the writings on the wall? - I don't know who told you... 170 00:17:38,690 --> 00:17:42,421 ...there was writing at the LaBianca residence. I didn't say there was. 171 00:17:42,995 --> 00:17:45,793 We believe the LaBiancas were killed by a copycat. 172 00:17:45,964 --> 00:17:49,161 There are a lot of psychos. This sort of thing turns them on. 173 00:17:49,334 --> 00:17:51,768 Are you saying the killings were done by psychos? 174 00:17:51,937 --> 00:17:53,632 I'm saying we have no motive... 175 00:17:53,806 --> 00:17:57,708 ...and there was no connection between the victims that we know of. 176 00:17:57,876 --> 00:17:59,639 - That you know of? - That we know of. 177 00:17:59,812 --> 00:18:04,306 Drugs were found at the Tate murders, while none were found at the LaBiancas. 178 00:18:04,483 --> 00:18:08,146 We believe the Tate killings were a drug burn. 179 00:18:10,189 --> 00:18:13,124 Now, here's that Beatles album I told you about. 180 00:18:13,292 --> 00:18:16,227 I don't say it's anything solid, but I got me a hunch. 181 00:18:16,395 --> 00:18:20,058 - Mark, you guys working on the Tate case? - LaBianca, Ted's on Tate. 182 00:18:20,232 --> 00:18:22,291 Now here, you see? 183 00:18:24,503 --> 00:18:27,666 - I've got something for you guys. - A good cigar? 184 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,604 Those pieces of gun grip you found at the Tate scene... 185 00:18:30,776 --> 00:18:35,110 ...they come from a Hi Standard .22 caliber Longhorn revolver. 186 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,714 Now, that's known as a Buntline Special. 187 00:18:37,883 --> 00:18:41,375 It's patterned after guns that Ned Buntline made for Wyatt Earp. 188 00:18:41,553 --> 00:18:46,115 - Look, the firearms experts broke the case. - As usual. 189 00:18:46,291 --> 00:18:49,021 They're not too many made with that kind of grip. 190 00:18:49,194 --> 00:18:52,960 We're sending a flyer out to every P.D. in the U.S. And Canada. 191 00:18:53,132 --> 00:18:58,001 - In no time at all, you'll have your gun. - Sure. One chance in a 1000. 192 00:18:58,203 --> 00:19:01,934 All you do is match up the bullets found in Sebring and Frykowski... 193 00:19:02,107 --> 00:19:05,099 ...your case is solved, just like on TV. 194 00:19:05,277 --> 00:19:11,147 That's not the way you break cases, Hank. You do it by filling out forms in triplicate. 195 00:19:11,316 --> 00:19:14,683 Now, here's a song called "Piggies. " 196 00:19:14,853 --> 00:19:18,414 - They printed "death to pigs" on the wall. - Right. 197 00:19:18,590 --> 00:19:23,425 And here's a song called "Helter Skelter. " "Helter Skelter was on the refrigerator door. " 198 00:19:23,595 --> 00:19:27,053 - Look, I know it's a wild guess- - That's not so wild. 199 00:19:27,232 --> 00:19:29,894 It's not as wild as stabbing some woman 41 times... 200 00:19:30,068 --> 00:19:33,037 ...and then go on stabbing her even after she's dead. 201 00:19:33,205 --> 00:19:35,799 It may as well be thrown in. We don't have much. 202 00:19:35,974 --> 00:19:37,942 - You said it. - Well, it beats a blank. 203 00:19:38,110 --> 00:19:40,203 Yeah, hopefully. 204 00:19:46,752 --> 00:19:48,413 One week after the killings... 205 00:19:48,587 --> 00:19:51,249 ...in answer to complaints of an auto-theft ring... 206 00:19:51,423 --> 00:19:54,290 ...but unrelated to the Tate-LaBianca investigations... 207 00:19:54,459 --> 00:19:57,860 ...deputies from the L.A. Sheriff's Department conduct a raid... 208 00:19:58,030 --> 00:20:03,696 ...at the isolated Spahn Movie Ranch in the Simi hills northwest of Los Angeles. 209 00:20:08,173 --> 00:20:11,404 Because some of the members of the hippie cult at the ranch... 210 00:20:11,577 --> 00:20:14,171 ...sleep in groups away from the main buildings... 211 00:20:14,346 --> 00:20:17,713 ...many of the officers move into the ranch from the back way. 212 00:21:17,542 --> 00:21:21,308 All right, put your hands on your head. Keep them where I can see them. 213 00:21:22,147 --> 00:21:24,308 Get up! Come here! Get up! 214 00:21:34,893 --> 00:21:38,124 Danny DeCarlo, a member of the Straight Satan motorcycle club. 215 00:21:38,964 --> 00:21:43,492 Danny stays at the ranch because of the wide variety of girls. 216 00:21:46,471 --> 00:21:48,166 Hold it! 217 00:21:55,947 --> 00:21:58,575 Susan Denise Atkins, 21 years old... 218 00:21:58,750 --> 00:22:03,847 ...also known as Sadie Mae Glutz, and infant son, Zezozose Zadfrack Glutz. 219 00:22:04,022 --> 00:22:06,252 This one's got a baby. 220 00:22:06,425 --> 00:22:09,223 Come on. All right, come on. 221 00:22:09,394 --> 00:22:11,760 Let go of my arm. Christ. 222 00:22:11,930 --> 00:22:15,661 - Okay, Charlie, come on out of there. - Come on, let's get your hands up. 223 00:22:15,834 --> 00:22:18,234 - Move! - All right! Damn it, I'm coming! 224 00:22:18,403 --> 00:22:20,030 - All right! - Get out. 225 00:22:20,205 --> 00:22:25,074 All right! All right! I'm coming! I'm coming! I'm here, man! 226 00:22:25,477 --> 00:22:27,240 All right. 227 00:22:29,481 --> 00:22:34,111 - Quit struggling! You're not gonna get hurt. - Just be quiet, Charlie, everything's okay. 228 00:22:34,286 --> 00:22:37,312 - All right, on your feet. - Let's go. Up. Up. 229 00:22:37,489 --> 00:22:39,616 - What's the matter? - You're under arrest. 230 00:22:39,791 --> 00:22:42,487 - What for? - Grand theft auto, okay? Let's go. 231 00:22:42,661 --> 00:22:47,792 Why don't you tell them to relax. I'll tell some of the girls to be nice to you. 232 00:22:56,641 --> 00:23:01,408 Sayce, 22 years old, also known as Moses, also known as Boots. 233 00:23:01,580 --> 00:23:04,413 Steve Grogan, 17, also known as Clem... 234 00:23:04,583 --> 00:23:08,019 ...an escapee from a state mental hospital. 235 00:23:09,921 --> 00:23:11,912 Patricia Krenwinkel, 22 years old... 236 00:23:12,090 --> 00:23:14,786 ...also known as Katie, also known as Marnie Reeves... 237 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,293 ...also known as Big Patty, also known as Mary Ann Scott. 238 00:23:28,006 --> 00:23:31,635 There he is. All right, Charlie... 239 00:23:31,810 --> 00:23:37,271 ...tell them I'm a ranch hand. I'm not part of your crummy Family. 240 00:23:38,984 --> 00:23:43,182 Look, wake up old man Spahn. Ask him. 241 00:23:43,355 --> 00:23:47,758 I don't belong to this gang. I'm a ranch hand. 242 00:23:47,926 --> 00:23:51,794 Damn it, why do you do this to me every time you put a bust on these bums? 243 00:23:51,963 --> 00:23:56,263 I work here. You take me in, Flynn, who's gonna do the work? 244 00:23:56,435 --> 00:23:59,427 - Will you tell us what you know? - You're damn right. 245 00:23:59,604 --> 00:24:02,698 Snitch! Snitch! Snitch! 246 00:24:12,083 --> 00:24:16,019 It's not nice to snitch, Shorty. 247 00:24:16,688 --> 00:24:18,781 Horse manure. 248 00:24:18,957 --> 00:24:23,792 Charles Milles Manson, also known as Jesus Christ, God, Soul, the Devil. 249 00:24:23,962 --> 00:24:28,763 Charles Willis Manson, born No Name Maddox, November 12th, 1934. 250 00:24:28,934 --> 00:24:31,903 Mother, Kathleen Maddox. Lived with a succession of men. 251 00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:37,064 Married briefly to William Manson, who gave young Charles his last name. 252 00:24:40,111 --> 00:24:42,443 Let's start getting these people out of here. 253 00:24:42,614 --> 00:24:45,674 All right, all children with their mothers. 254 00:24:50,155 --> 00:24:53,090 All females, let's go. On your feet. 255 00:24:53,258 --> 00:24:55,226 Single-file line to the bus. 256 00:24:58,196 --> 00:25:01,791 - On your feet, girl. - What do you think we're on? 257 00:25:01,967 --> 00:25:05,994 - Okay. - All right, on your feet. Get on your feet. 258 00:25:08,807 --> 00:25:12,607 Kathleen Maddox served time in state penitentiary for armed robbery. 259 00:25:12,777 --> 00:25:15,268 Charles lived with relatives, then his mother... 260 00:25:15,447 --> 00:25:17,881 ...and a series of her lovers in rundown hotels. 261 00:25:18,049 --> 00:25:21,212 Unwanted, he ran away at 12, burglarized several stores... 262 00:25:21,386 --> 00:25:23,820 ...was caught and sent to Boys Town. 263 00:25:23,989 --> 00:25:28,517 Fled four days later in a stolen car. Committed first armed robbery, age 13. 264 00:25:28,693 --> 00:25:31,594 Has spent 17 years, one half of his life... 265 00:25:31,763 --> 00:25:36,325 ...in boys homes, jails and federal penitentiaries. 266 00:25:59,791 --> 00:26:02,385 Took guitar lessons in prison from Alvin Karpis... 267 00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:05,052 ...lone survivor of the old Ma Barker gang. 268 00:26:05,230 --> 00:26:09,758 Twice married and divorced. Fathered two children, probably more. 269 00:26:39,598 --> 00:26:43,728 Criminal record includes burglary, armed robbery, attempted escape... 270 00:26:43,902 --> 00:26:48,032 ...parole violation, homosexual rape, assault, procuring... 271 00:26:48,206 --> 00:26:51,664 ...mail theft, grand theft auto, forgery. 272 00:26:51,843 --> 00:26:56,109 Psychiatric evaluation: emotional instability, rejection reaction... 273 00:26:56,281 --> 00:26:59,808 ...psychic trauma, bisexual, dangerous, assaultive. 274 00:27:33,351 --> 00:27:35,615 Three weeks after the murders... 275 00:27:35,787 --> 00:27:40,156 ...9-year-old Steven Quint is working with his father in their back yard. 276 00:27:53,772 --> 00:27:57,708 Hey, Dad. Hey, Dad, look what I found. 277 00:28:04,749 --> 00:28:09,379 I'm holding it this way so I don't mess up the fingerprints. I saw it on Dragnet. 278 00:28:12,724 --> 00:28:16,057 My son's convinced this gun was involved in every major crime... 279 00:28:16,227 --> 00:28:19,526 ...from the Black Dahlia to those Tate murders three weeks ago. 280 00:28:19,698 --> 00:28:22,030 We appreciate your calling, Mr. Quint. 281 00:28:23,034 --> 00:28:25,559 It looks like it's been used to hammer something. 282 00:28:25,904 --> 00:28:27,963 Thank you. 283 00:28:37,482 --> 00:28:41,043 Steven Quint's discovery is tagged and filed in the property room... 284 00:28:41,219 --> 00:28:45,451 ...of the Van Nuys Division of the Los Angeles Police Department. 285 00:28:49,060 --> 00:28:52,587 Come out! Come on out! Let's go! 286 00:28:52,764 --> 00:28:56,461 Come on out! Come on! 287 00:28:56,868 --> 00:28:59,098 - What happened? - We had to release them. 288 00:28:59,270 --> 00:29:03,138 - DA's reject. Insufficient evidence. - My aching back. 289 00:29:03,308 --> 00:29:08,041 Come on, let's go! Come on, go! Go! 290 00:29:14,719 --> 00:29:18,712 - Sheriff's Homicide. Jones. - Harry, Phil Cohen here. 291 00:29:18,923 --> 00:29:22,916 - Hey, Phillip, what's up? - Well, just a thought. 292 00:29:23,094 --> 00:29:27,690 - You were working on that Hinman case? - Yeah, we're still on it. 293 00:29:27,866 --> 00:29:32,462 Well, Mark and I are on this LaBianca thing, and we were just wondering... 294 00:29:32,637 --> 00:29:36,596 ...what exactly did you find printed on the walls at the Hinman place? 295 00:29:36,775 --> 00:29:38,072 "Political piggy. " 296 00:29:39,444 --> 00:29:42,345 - Political piggy? - Right, Hinman's blood. 297 00:29:42,514 --> 00:29:45,483 - Political piggy. - That's one hell of a coincidence, huh? 298 00:29:45,650 --> 00:29:47,515 - You said it. - By the way, Phil... 299 00:29:47,685 --> 00:29:50,085 - Yeah. - We picked up that whole gang... 300 00:29:50,255 --> 00:29:52,120 ...out there at Spahn Ranch. 301 00:29:52,290 --> 00:29:56,852 You know, that's where Bobby Beausoleil was living when he killed Garry Hinman. 302 00:29:57,028 --> 00:29:58,893 There's a ranch hand out there... 303 00:29:59,063 --> 00:30:01,623 ...you might want to talk to. Name is Shorty Shea. 304 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,792 He's had a couple run-ins with the leader of this gang... 305 00:30:04,969 --> 00:30:07,529 ...and he may have heard something. 306 00:30:07,705 --> 00:30:10,799 Right, Shorty Shea. I got it, Harry. Thank you. 307 00:30:10,975 --> 00:30:13,205 - You bet. - Okay, bye-bye. 308 00:31:01,259 --> 00:31:03,124 Come on in. 309 00:31:03,862 --> 00:31:05,523 Hi. 310 00:31:08,466 --> 00:31:11,594 Hi. You're new around here, aren't you? 311 00:31:11,769 --> 00:31:15,102 Charlie left me here to take good care of George. 312 00:31:17,008 --> 00:31:20,500 They took off, huh? I thought the place looked deserted. 313 00:31:20,678 --> 00:31:23,647 - Manuel Gris, Mr. Spahn. - Phil Cohen, Mr. Spahn. 314 00:31:23,815 --> 00:31:25,908 I recognize your voice, Mr. Cohen. 315 00:31:26,484 --> 00:31:30,887 Charlie and his girls took off the day after you were down here last time. 316 00:31:31,856 --> 00:31:33,289 Over a month ago. 317 00:31:33,825 --> 00:31:37,693 Yeah. You gentlemen want some lunch? 318 00:31:39,063 --> 00:31:42,055 - No, thank you. Some other time. - No, thank you. 319 00:31:42,934 --> 00:31:44,799 But we were wondering, Mr. Spahn... 320 00:31:44,969 --> 00:31:47,665 ...if Mr. Shea had come back from San Francisco yet. 321 00:31:47,839 --> 00:31:50,171 - Shorty? - Couple of Charlie's girls... 322 00:31:50,341 --> 00:31:53,037 ...told us he went to San Francisco for a few weeks. 323 00:31:53,211 --> 00:31:55,441 That's what Charlie told me too. 324 00:31:56,047 --> 00:32:01,815 But it wasn't like old Shorty to haul freight like that without saying boo to me about it. 325 00:32:01,986 --> 00:32:07,014 But he just turned up missing one day, and I ain't seen hide nor hair of him since. 326 00:32:08,326 --> 00:32:12,820 - Learned exclusively that pieces of a gun grip were found at the Tate murder scene. 327 00:32:12,997 --> 00:32:16,660 And that the gun police are seeking is a 22 caliber pistol. 328 00:32:16,834 --> 00:32:20,235 That's the news. And now, this comment and a question: 329 00:32:20,405 --> 00:32:24,865 Two months have passed since Sharon Tate and four others were slaughtered. 330 00:32:25,043 --> 00:32:27,477 And yet not one suspect is in custody. 331 00:32:27,645 --> 00:32:31,706 Not one piece of concrete evidence is presented to a frightened community... 332 00:32:31,883 --> 00:32:34,477 ...that progress is being made. 333 00:32:36,621 --> 00:32:42,082 - Sounds like the gun Stevie found. - Had a broken grip, didn't it? 334 00:32:43,928 --> 00:32:48,422 It must not be the one. When was it we gave it to the police? 335 00:32:48,599 --> 00:32:50,658 Was over a month ago. 336 00:32:50,835 --> 00:32:53,963 Surely they'd have come back to ask more questions by now. 337 00:32:54,138 --> 00:32:55,935 And search the hillside. 338 00:33:04,782 --> 00:33:06,010 Help! 339 00:33:06,184 --> 00:33:10,587 Death Valley, California, two months after the Tate and LaBianca murders. 340 00:33:10,755 --> 00:33:13,019 Stephanie Mark, 17 years old. 341 00:33:13,191 --> 00:33:18,322 And Kitty Lassiter, 17 years old and five months pregnant. 342 00:33:25,536 --> 00:33:28,801 - Please, will you take us somewhere? - Oh, please! 343 00:33:28,973 --> 00:33:30,838 - Where you going? - Anywhere at all. 344 00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:33,534 - Somebody is trying to kill us. - All right, who? 345 00:33:33,711 --> 00:33:35,838 - Charlie Manson. - Please! Come on! 346 00:33:36,014 --> 00:33:37,379 - Come on. - Get in the back. 347 00:33:37,548 --> 00:33:41,484 They tell the officers the Manson Family left Spahn Ranch a month before... 348 00:33:41,652 --> 00:33:44,314 ...and has stayed at Barker Ranch in Death Valley. 349 00:33:44,489 --> 00:33:47,720 Kitty is pregnant by Family member Bobby Beausoleil... 350 00:33:47,892 --> 00:33:51,384 ...now in custody in Los Angeles for the murder of Gary Hinman. 351 00:33:51,562 --> 00:33:55,464 Stephanie is a recent favorite of Charlie Manson, now fallen from grace. 352 00:33:55,633 --> 00:33:58,761 Both girls believe Manson will kill them for what they know. 353 00:33:58,936 --> 00:34:02,838 They don't know that Manson and the Family were arrested two days earlier... 354 00:34:03,007 --> 00:34:06,773 ...for the destruction of an earthmoving machine. 355 00:34:06,944 --> 00:34:11,711 We got him over in the jail at Independence. We picked him up, and the gang, yesterday. 356 00:34:11,883 --> 00:34:14,215 - What for? - Arson. 357 00:34:14,385 --> 00:34:17,877 Burning up one of those earthmoving machines. 358 00:34:18,089 --> 00:34:20,887 - You have anything to do with it? - No. 359 00:34:21,726 --> 00:34:23,751 Sir. 360 00:34:25,229 --> 00:34:30,963 - Are you taking us to Independence too? - I'm afraid we'll have to. 361 00:34:31,536 --> 00:34:33,766 You're not gonna put us with them, are you? 362 00:34:33,938 --> 00:34:36,065 No, you'll be by yourself. 363 00:34:36,474 --> 00:34:41,309 Now, what are some of those things that you know that Charlie wishes you didn't? 364 00:34:44,749 --> 00:34:47,741 Bobby Beausoleil didn't do it by himself. I know that. 365 00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:50,888 What's that, kill Gary Hinman? 366 00:34:52,757 --> 00:34:55,692 Sadie was there too. She helped. 367 00:34:55,860 --> 00:34:58,124 - Sadie? - Sadie Mae Glutz. 368 00:34:58,429 --> 00:35:01,023 Sadie Mae Glutz. Is that her real name? 369 00:35:01,199 --> 00:35:06,330 No, I think her real name is Susan Atkins. 370 00:35:07,371 --> 00:35:11,102 Susan Atkins is Sadie Mae Glutz? 371 00:35:11,676 --> 00:35:14,338 Isn't that the girl we arrested yesterday? 372 00:35:14,612 --> 00:35:17,274 You better call the L.A. County Sheriff's Office. 373 00:35:17,448 --> 00:35:21,350 Have them send somebody down to talk to that little lady. 374 00:35:24,255 --> 00:35:28,817 Even after Bobby slashed his face, he just wouldn't give us the money. 375 00:35:29,127 --> 00:35:32,528 Is that why you ended up having to kill him? The money? 376 00:35:32,697 --> 00:35:36,861 Sure. $5000. We knew he had it. 377 00:35:37,034 --> 00:35:39,332 He just wouldn't give it to us. 378 00:35:39,504 --> 00:35:45,534 So me and Bobby took turns sleeping and guarding him, so he wouldn't get away. 379 00:35:45,877 --> 00:35:48,471 And one night, while I was in the kitchen... 380 00:35:48,646 --> 00:35:53,049 ...I heard Gary yell, "Don't, Bobby. " 381 00:35:53,217 --> 00:35:56,584 And he staggered into the kitchen. He had blood on his chest. 382 00:35:56,754 --> 00:36:00,850 Sort of pouring out through his fingers, you know? 383 00:36:01,025 --> 00:36:04,722 - What happened then? - Well... 384 00:36:05,229 --> 00:36:08,995 We thought that was it for him. He fell down, he was just laying there. 385 00:36:10,968 --> 00:36:14,404 So we wiped the house for prints, okay? 386 00:36:15,606 --> 00:36:19,474 And we were about to jam out of there, and we heard Gary again. 387 00:36:19,644 --> 00:36:22,636 Just moaning and groaning. 388 00:36:23,714 --> 00:36:28,811 He's a funny guy. He just wouldn't die. Just wouldn't. 389 00:36:28,986 --> 00:36:33,082 So Bobby went back in, and I heard Gary again. 390 00:36:33,591 --> 00:36:37,118 "Oh, no, Bobby. Please, don't. " 391 00:36:37,895 --> 00:36:42,332 And then I heard a sound like gurgling, as when people are dying. 392 00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:44,365 Susan. 393 00:36:45,503 --> 00:36:48,472 Would you repeat this on tape for us? 394 00:36:50,908 --> 00:36:52,705 No way. 395 00:36:54,612 --> 00:36:58,946 - Why did you tell us in the first place? - For fun. 396 00:37:00,484 --> 00:37:04,284 You can't use it. I'll just say I made it up. 397 00:37:06,824 --> 00:37:12,285 Okay, Sadie Mae. We'll be bringing you back to L.A. This afternoon. 398 00:37:12,463 --> 00:37:15,694 You have any objection to flying in a small plane? 399 00:37:16,267 --> 00:37:17,928 I love to fly. 400 00:37:37,755 --> 00:37:40,849 Two months and one week after the Tate-LaBianca killings... 401 00:37:41,025 --> 00:37:43,687 ...Atkins is arrested for the Gary Hinman murder... 402 00:37:43,861 --> 00:37:48,594 ...and brought to Sybil Brand Institute for Women in East Los Angeles. 403 00:38:02,546 --> 00:38:05,379 Take 31, that's your bunk. 404 00:38:13,491 --> 00:38:16,927 - Cute. - Yeah, probably straight too. 405 00:38:31,709 --> 00:38:35,543 - What's your name, honey? - Sadie. 406 00:38:38,215 --> 00:38:39,477 Sexy Sadie. 407 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,253 Charlie. 408 00:38:52,296 --> 00:38:55,788 Charlie's the strongest man alive. 409 00:38:56,100 --> 00:39:01,163 They keep putting him in prison. They can't break him. He has powers. 410 00:39:01,339 --> 00:39:05,139 - Powers? - Believe me. 411 00:39:05,409 --> 00:39:09,311 I mean, he's not very big, physically... 412 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,381 ...but everybody does what he says. 413 00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:15,144 Even when he doesn't say it. 414 00:39:15,619 --> 00:39:19,055 - You know what I mean. - No, not really. 415 00:39:21,592 --> 00:39:23,253 He's... 416 00:39:24,462 --> 00:39:28,626 He's our father. He's our leader. 417 00:39:28,799 --> 00:39:31,597 - He's our love. - Really good, huh? 418 00:39:31,769 --> 00:39:36,069 Our teacher. He's everything. 419 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:38,265 In fact... 420 00:39:46,784 --> 00:39:51,118 You're a nice person, Ronnie. I can trust you. 421 00:39:51,288 --> 00:39:54,689 - Thanks. - No, I feel that. 422 00:39:55,359 --> 00:39:58,692 - Ronnie. - Yes? 423 00:40:02,466 --> 00:40:04,900 Charlie's Jesus Christ. 424 00:40:07,505 --> 00:40:09,029 He is? 425 00:40:11,409 --> 00:40:13,206 Oh. 426 00:40:19,049 --> 00:40:21,074 What are you in here for? 427 00:40:23,387 --> 00:40:27,016 First degree murder. Gary Hinman. 428 00:40:27,758 --> 00:40:30,625 - Did you do it? - Sure. 429 00:40:33,631 --> 00:40:36,099 They got it wrong. 430 00:40:36,434 --> 00:40:40,894 They claim I held him while Bobby stabbed him. 431 00:40:41,071 --> 00:40:47,067 The way it came down was Bobby held him while I stabbed him four or five times. 432 00:40:47,912 --> 00:40:51,746 - Cops are really dumb. - What do you mean? 433 00:40:52,983 --> 00:40:54,575 There's a case right now. 434 00:40:55,619 --> 00:40:59,248 They're so far off the track, they don't even know what's happening. 435 00:40:59,423 --> 00:41:04,486 - What are you talking about? - That one in Benedict Canyon. 436 00:41:04,695 --> 00:41:06,560 Bene-? 437 00:41:06,730 --> 00:41:11,429 - Oh, you don't mean Sharon Tate? - Sure. 438 00:41:12,837 --> 00:41:15,431 You know who did it, don't you? 439 00:41:16,307 --> 00:41:20,107 - No. - Well... 440 00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:24,047 ...you're looking at her. 441 00:41:26,884 --> 00:41:28,613 You gotta be kidding. 442 00:41:45,436 --> 00:41:46,994 Boy, I'm tired. 443 00:41:49,473 --> 00:41:51,737 Why don't we go to bed? 444 00:41:54,879 --> 00:41:56,244 Why don't I stay here? 445 00:42:00,451 --> 00:42:03,682 I'm really tired. 446 00:42:06,557 --> 00:42:08,286 Well... 447 00:42:09,226 --> 00:42:11,126 Okay. 448 00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:17,025 - Good night, love. - Good night. 449 00:42:32,716 --> 00:42:36,083 - Danny DeCarlo? - Hello. 450 00:42:44,528 --> 00:42:49,431 - You know Kitty Lassiter? - No, man. I never heard of her. 451 00:42:50,935 --> 00:42:55,167 She says you used to hang around Spahn's Ranch with Charlie Manson's Family. 452 00:42:55,339 --> 00:42:57,534 Man, I never heard of him either. 453 00:43:00,744 --> 00:43:03,804 Couple of charges pending against you, I believe, Danny. 454 00:43:03,981 --> 00:43:05,642 Grand theft and a federal rap. 455 00:43:06,216 --> 00:43:09,811 Giving false information while purchasing a firearm. 456 00:43:11,055 --> 00:43:15,048 Maybe they made a mistake cutting you out on your own recognizance. 457 00:43:16,126 --> 00:43:19,357 Well, I guess you boys wanna ask me a few questions, huh? 458 00:43:25,703 --> 00:43:31,232 The morning of November 18, 1969, I was on my way to work in the Hall of Justice. 459 00:43:31,408 --> 00:43:35,435 It was just three months after the Tate-LaBianca murders. 460 00:43:36,747 --> 00:43:38,510 Vince! 461 00:43:38,882 --> 00:43:41,146 Come here. I was looking for you. 462 00:43:41,318 --> 00:43:44,412 - What's this all about? - Never mind. You'll see. 463 00:43:47,691 --> 00:43:51,252 We've got statements from the bikers, Al Springer and Danny DeCarlo. 464 00:43:51,428 --> 00:43:55,091 - Well, they finally found you, huh, Vince? - Congratulations, Vince. 465 00:43:55,265 --> 00:43:56,596 On what? 466 00:43:56,767 --> 00:44:01,170 I want you to okay this press release before we let it go out, all right? 467 00:44:01,438 --> 00:44:04,703 "Dateline, Los Angeles, November 18, 1969. 468 00:44:05,209 --> 00:44:07,700 DA Evelle Younger's office announced today... 469 00:44:07,878 --> 00:44:10,745 ...that Deputy DA Vincent T. Bugliosi... 470 00:44:10,981 --> 00:44:14,314 ...has been named co-prosecutor in the Sharon Tate murder case. " 471 00:44:14,485 --> 00:44:16,077 Are we gonna handle it? 472 00:44:16,253 --> 00:44:21,885 "Mr. Bugliosi, chosen from a staff of 450 lawyers to prosecute this case... 473 00:44:22,226 --> 00:44:26,890 ...has previously tried 104 felony jury trials, losing only one. " 474 00:44:27,064 --> 00:44:29,191 You make me sound like a sure winner. 475 00:44:29,366 --> 00:44:31,266 - What do we got to go on? - Not much. 476 00:44:31,435 --> 00:44:34,996 Few statements, that's it. None of which can be used in evidence. 477 00:44:35,806 --> 00:44:37,296 Why not? 478 00:44:37,474 --> 00:44:39,738 - Aranda? - That's right. 479 00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:43,311 California Supreme Court, The People v. Aranda, 1965. 480 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,075 These are all statements from defendants implicating codefendants. 481 00:44:49,586 --> 00:44:51,713 So Manson ordered Hinman killed. 482 00:44:52,056 --> 00:44:55,719 Yep, that's the way Bobby told it. 483 00:44:55,893 --> 00:45:01,889 - He said Charlie sent him, Mary, Sadie- - Wait a minute. Who's Mary? 484 00:45:02,066 --> 00:45:04,432 Mary Brunner, man. 485 00:45:06,537 --> 00:45:08,402 Is this her? 486 00:45:10,641 --> 00:45:12,768 Yeah, that's her. 487 00:45:14,278 --> 00:45:17,679 Her and Bobby and Sadie. 488 00:45:18,382 --> 00:45:22,216 They went to Gary's place. 489 00:45:22,786 --> 00:45:24,617 By the way, my man... 490 00:45:24,788 --> 00:45:27,723 ...is Charlie gonna know I talked to you guys? 491 00:45:27,891 --> 00:45:32,760 - Charlie's up in jail in Independence. - Charlie's got a long reach, man. 492 00:45:32,930 --> 00:45:36,696 None of the girls know you're here. We'll make sure they don't. 493 00:45:36,867 --> 00:45:38,391 Just between me and you... 494 00:45:39,303 --> 00:45:41,828 ...the little dude scares the hell out of me. 495 00:45:42,439 --> 00:45:43,770 He's a freak, man. 496 00:45:44,141 --> 00:45:48,601 I mean, he did Shorty just like that, just because he thought he was snitching. 497 00:45:49,146 --> 00:45:51,307 - Who told you that? - It's in the tapes. 498 00:45:51,482 --> 00:45:53,848 - I told the other detectives. - Tell me again. 499 00:45:54,017 --> 00:45:56,884 - So your story doesn't change. - I'm telling the truth. 500 00:45:57,054 --> 00:45:58,578 Now, what would be the point? 501 00:45:59,256 --> 00:46:04,193 Okay, Danny. All right. Who told you about killing Shorty? 502 00:46:08,265 --> 00:46:10,631 Cisco Budge. 503 00:46:13,537 --> 00:46:18,497 - Said they cut him up in nine pieces, man. - Is this him? 504 00:46:18,675 --> 00:46:21,371 Chopped his head off too. 505 00:46:21,879 --> 00:46:25,440 That's Boots. 506 00:46:25,616 --> 00:46:27,311 - Boots? - Yeah, man. Boots. 507 00:46:27,484 --> 00:46:31,545 He was one of the young kids. He hung out to the ranch. 508 00:46:31,722 --> 00:46:34,623 He didn't seem to fit in with the Family. 509 00:46:34,792 --> 00:46:37,761 Boots is no longer with us, Danny. 510 00:46:38,896 --> 00:46:41,490 What do you mean, "Boots is no longer with us"? 511 00:46:41,665 --> 00:46:44,031 He's among the dead. 512 00:46:46,570 --> 00:46:48,868 Well, terrific. 513 00:46:51,375 --> 00:46:53,502 Since when? 514 00:46:53,677 --> 00:46:58,808 Couple weeks ago. Accidentally shot himself playing Russian roulette. 515 00:46:59,850 --> 00:47:03,013 - Who was with him? - Cisco Budge. 516 00:47:03,654 --> 00:47:06,054 Cisco Budge? 517 00:47:07,591 --> 00:47:09,286 All right. 518 00:47:10,527 --> 00:47:14,019 Okay. Boots must have got out of line. 519 00:47:14,832 --> 00:47:18,233 - That wasn't no accident. - Some other members of the Family- 520 00:47:18,402 --> 00:47:21,860 I know, I know. And they all tell the same story, right? 521 00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:27,033 That's it, partner. I ain't talking no more. I'm riding out of here on the wind. 522 00:47:27,211 --> 00:47:31,739 There's still charges against you, Danny. I don't think you'll feel very safe in jail. 523 00:47:31,915 --> 00:47:36,375 - That's where Charlie is. - That sure is cold, man. 524 00:47:42,693 --> 00:47:44,854 Danny, go to Spahn Ranch with me tomorrow. 525 00:47:45,028 --> 00:47:50,159 Oh, no way, baby. No. Not the kid. 526 00:47:50,334 --> 00:47:52,768 I heard some of the Family is still up there. 527 00:47:53,370 --> 00:47:57,739 We need a guide. If you don't wanna go, it's your decision. 528 00:48:05,148 --> 00:48:07,116 Well, what about the charges, man? 529 00:48:15,425 --> 00:48:17,120 All right. 530 00:48:19,296 --> 00:48:22,163 All right, I'll do it. Yeah, I'll do it. 531 00:48:24,201 --> 00:48:26,294 If you handcuff me. 532 00:48:46,857 --> 00:48:48,916 Flapping to the fuzz, huh, Danny? 533 00:49:08,478 --> 00:49:12,209 - My God. Does she live here? - Yeah, she lives here. 534 00:49:12,382 --> 00:49:16,648 - She's happy. - Is it all right to be happy? 535 00:49:19,156 --> 00:49:22,023 And they had this 9 mm Polish random automatic. 536 00:49:22,192 --> 00:49:25,161 Danny, did you ever see a 22 caliber Buntline revolver? 537 00:49:25,329 --> 00:49:27,820 - That's the one Charlie carried. - Here's another. 22. 538 00:49:27,998 --> 00:49:32,594 - Wait a minute, are you sure of that? - About the Buntline? Hell, yes, I'm sure. 539 00:49:32,769 --> 00:49:38,264 - Cleaned the guns. I am a weapons man. - So Charlie had a. 22 caliber Buntline. 540 00:49:38,442 --> 00:49:41,377 That's the one he did the Black Panther with. 541 00:49:41,545 --> 00:49:44,070 - You hear about that one? - No. 542 00:49:44,247 --> 00:49:47,239 That's the kill that went down about a year ago. 543 00:49:47,417 --> 00:49:51,979 Charlie had some trouble with this nigger over a dope deal. So he snuffed him. 544 00:49:52,155 --> 00:49:55,613 When was the last time you saw that 22 Buntline? 545 00:49:56,994 --> 00:49:59,462 A week before the sheriff's office raided us. 546 00:49:59,629 --> 00:50:02,325 - So that would be August 16th, right? - Hey. 547 00:50:02,499 --> 00:50:06,299 Charlie didn't allow no calendars or clocks at the ranch. 548 00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:12,207 About a week after the Tate killings, I asked him what happened to his gun. 549 00:50:12,376 --> 00:50:16,244 He always carried it in a holster. I noticed right away it wasn't there. 550 00:50:16,413 --> 00:50:19,439 He said, "Hey, man, I just gave it away. " 551 00:50:20,650 --> 00:50:24,780 Danny, do you think Charlie had anything to do with Tate? 552 00:50:26,323 --> 00:50:30,259 Man, I don't feel like talking about that. 553 00:50:35,098 --> 00:50:39,797 You know, Shorty's buried around here somewhere, in nine different graves. 554 00:50:39,970 --> 00:50:42,029 He was a real right dude too. 555 00:50:42,205 --> 00:50:47,142 Danny, if we ever find this 22 caliber Buntline revolver, could you ID it? 556 00:50:47,310 --> 00:50:49,073 Hell, yes, I could. 557 00:50:49,246 --> 00:50:52,579 - Who was the last to die? - Sharon was the last to die. 558 00:50:52,749 --> 00:50:55,217 I was holding her arms behind her... 559 00:50:55,385 --> 00:50:59,685 ...and she's looking at me, begging and crying. 560 00:50:59,856 --> 00:51:04,486 "Please, don't kill me. Please, don't kill me. 561 00:51:04,661 --> 00:51:10,725 I don't wanna die. I wanna live. I wanna have my baby. I wanna have my baby. " 562 00:51:12,536 --> 00:51:15,972 And I looked her straight in the eye, and I said: 563 00:51:16,139 --> 00:51:21,167 "Look, bitch, I don't care about you. I don't care about your baby. 564 00:51:21,344 --> 00:51:25,713 You better be ready. You're gonna die, and I don't feel a thing about it. " 565 00:51:25,882 --> 00:51:30,285 - And I proceeded to stab, okay? - Okay. 566 00:51:30,454 --> 00:51:31,921 - And you know what? - What? 567 00:51:32,589 --> 00:51:36,753 I just kept stabbing her and stabbing her until she stopped screaming. 568 00:51:37,294 --> 00:51:40,491 But she was pregnant. Didn't it bother you to kill her? 569 00:51:43,834 --> 00:51:46,530 I thought you understood. 570 00:51:47,137 --> 00:51:48,934 I loved her. 571 00:51:49,106 --> 00:51:53,736 And in order for me to kill her, I was killing part of myself when I killed her. 572 00:51:53,910 --> 00:51:57,004 In fact, Charlie gave us instructions to mutilate them. 573 00:51:57,180 --> 00:51:59,580 We were gonna cut out the baby if we had time. 574 00:51:59,749 --> 00:52:01,774 I gotta go to the can. 575 00:52:01,952 --> 00:52:05,319 You know the other two? The next night? 576 00:52:06,189 --> 00:52:08,783 LaBiancas. 577 00:52:11,394 --> 00:52:12,759 Well, what do you think? 578 00:52:15,932 --> 00:52:18,799 And there's more. Before... 579 00:52:18,969 --> 00:52:21,904 ...one guy, we cut his head off. 580 00:52:22,072 --> 00:52:26,202 Three more out in the desert, and more besides. 581 00:52:27,744 --> 00:52:31,874 At least 11. Eleven they'll never solve. 582 00:52:32,582 --> 00:52:35,710 And there's gonna be plenty more to come. 583 00:52:36,019 --> 00:52:39,785 We're gonna pick out some of the biggest pigs and execute them... 584 00:52:39,956 --> 00:52:41,947 ...and release them from this Earth. 585 00:52:46,229 --> 00:52:50,791 You have to have a real love in your heart for people to do this for them. 586 00:52:50,967 --> 00:52:53,697 - You know? - I gotta go to the can. 587 00:52:56,506 --> 00:52:59,339 I'll let you get some sleep. 588 00:54:07,210 --> 00:54:11,374 Sergeant, my life could be in danger if anybody catches me talking to you. 589 00:54:11,548 --> 00:54:15,814 I know who killed Sharon Tate, and I wanna talk to the lieutenant, please. 590 00:54:15,986 --> 00:54:19,012 You know who killed Tate, and you want the lieutenant? 591 00:54:19,189 --> 00:54:22,317 - I'll tell him. - Real soon, please. 592 00:54:22,492 --> 00:54:24,289 - I said, I'd tell him. - Okay. 593 00:54:24,461 --> 00:54:27,794 Now get back in line and go to lunch with the other girls. 594 00:54:41,244 --> 00:54:43,269 - Did you ask him? - Ask who? 595 00:54:43,446 --> 00:54:48,850 Oh. Yeah. He wants more details to see if you knew what you were talking about. 596 00:54:49,019 --> 00:54:52,648 Okay. Could we go someplace else private? 597 00:54:57,627 --> 00:55:01,028 I happen to know that the killers did not cut out the baby. 598 00:55:01,197 --> 00:55:07,432 So you tell her that her informant is either lying or unreliable. Quit wasting our time. 599 00:55:11,007 --> 00:55:14,875 Sergeant Broom, that's not what I said. I didn't say she cut out the baby. 600 00:55:15,045 --> 00:55:19,675 She wanted to cut out the baby. They wanted to do all these other kinds of things. 601 00:55:19,849 --> 00:55:23,808 And they didn't have the time. That's what I told you. 602 00:55:23,987 --> 00:55:26,512 I think we've bothered the lieutenant enough. 603 00:55:27,123 --> 00:55:29,284 - No. - The matter is closed. 604 00:55:32,962 --> 00:55:34,224 Oh, my God. 605 00:55:41,571 --> 00:55:44,563 Here, take these. You go to court today, don't you? 606 00:55:44,808 --> 00:55:48,175 - Well, it's nothing to get thrown about. - Oh, it's not that. 607 00:55:48,345 --> 00:55:51,007 I'm just nervous. 608 00:56:15,004 --> 00:56:19,566 I'll give you each 50 cents if you let me get in front of you in this line. 609 00:56:19,743 --> 00:56:23,543 - Cash? - Yeah. Here, look. 610 00:56:24,381 --> 00:56:26,178 Come on. 611 00:56:26,983 --> 00:56:29,884 - Deal. - Oh, thanks a lot. 612 00:56:38,428 --> 00:56:41,727 Bus for the court leaves in four minutes. 613 00:56:44,501 --> 00:56:47,299 Yeah, well, what do you want me to do? 614 00:56:48,104 --> 00:56:50,834 I know, I know. 615 00:56:55,578 --> 00:56:57,739 The lawyer said- 616 00:56:59,883 --> 00:57:05,412 Hello, is this Homicide? Oh, my name is Ronnie Howard. 617 00:57:05,588 --> 00:57:07,852 And I- What? 618 00:57:08,024 --> 00:57:09,514 Howard. Yes, sir. 619 00:57:09,692 --> 00:57:14,857 I wanna report that I know the people that committed some of the murders... 620 00:57:15,031 --> 00:57:20,663 ...that you are presently working on the cases right now. Yes, sir. And- 621 00:57:21,438 --> 00:57:25,340 Ronnie Howard, sir. Yes. 622 00:57:25,508 --> 00:57:28,500 Which ones? Well... 623 00:57:29,612 --> 00:57:32,638 Sharon Tate is one of them, sir. 624 00:57:34,117 --> 00:57:37,609 If we don't find the gun and tie it to Manson, we have nothing on him... 625 00:57:37,787 --> 00:57:39,118 ...except hearsay. 626 00:57:39,289 --> 00:57:42,087 None of the statements places him at the murder scenes. 627 00:57:42,258 --> 00:57:46,752 But he ordered these killings! He ordered Shea, Tate, Hinman, LaBianca. 628 00:57:46,930 --> 00:57:49,592 - He's as guilty as Hitler. - Can we prove it? 629 00:57:49,766 --> 00:57:53,224 - Not yet. - Then we better go with what we got. 630 00:57:53,403 --> 00:57:56,304 - What have we got? - Susan Atkins. 631 00:57:56,473 --> 00:57:59,965 - L.A.P.D. wants to make a deal with her. - No way. Immunity for her? 632 00:58:00,143 --> 00:58:04,375 If what she told Ronnie Howard is true, she personally killed Hinman and Tate. 633 00:58:04,547 --> 00:58:08,210 - We don't give her anything. - We may have no choice. 634 00:58:08,384 --> 00:58:11,820 Chief Davis doesn't want her to walk away any more than you do. 635 00:58:11,988 --> 00:58:15,116 But the public pressure on him is unbelievable. 636 00:58:15,291 --> 00:58:18,124 Every time he shows his face, a reporter asks him: 637 00:58:18,294 --> 00:58:22,458 "What, if anything, is happening on Tate?" He is being pilloried by the press. 638 00:58:22,632 --> 00:58:26,796 - Aaron, just give me some time. - We don't have time! 639 00:58:27,470 --> 00:58:32,032 Inyo County can't hold Manson forever on that arson charge. 640 00:58:32,208 --> 00:58:38,579 He'll disappear the minute they spring him, unless we make a case against him, fast. 641 00:58:39,082 --> 00:58:40,811 Motive. 642 00:58:41,885 --> 00:58:43,648 We need a motive, Vince. 643 00:58:44,053 --> 00:58:48,012 What would be the motive for the Tate slaughter? 644 00:58:48,458 --> 00:58:50,551 - Robbery? - No, no. It can't be robbery. 645 00:58:50,727 --> 00:58:54,663 - Too much valuable property left behind. - That's right. 646 00:58:55,064 --> 00:58:58,090 Well, you know how tough it is to prove conspiracy, Vince. 647 00:58:58,268 --> 00:59:01,465 And that's what we gotta prove if we're gonna convict Manson. 648 00:59:01,638 --> 00:59:03,572 Right, right, right. 649 00:59:03,740 --> 00:59:07,699 You gonna prove that Manson's domination over these hippies is so great... 650 00:59:07,877 --> 00:59:12,576 ...that he ordered them to commit seven seemingly unmotivated murders? 651 00:59:12,749 --> 00:59:14,683 And they obeyed? 652 00:59:15,785 --> 00:59:17,685 Good luck with the jury on that one. 653 00:59:25,061 --> 00:59:28,622 The Panamint Mountain Range. The western edge of Death Valley. 654 00:59:28,798 --> 00:59:32,632 Three months after the killings. Frank Fowles, DA of Inyo County... 655 00:59:32,802 --> 00:59:37,205 ...guides a search party to Barker Ranch, where the Family lived for over a month... 656 00:59:37,373 --> 00:59:41,969 ...prior to their arrest in October. - Now, you're sure this trip was necessary? 657 01:00:18,214 --> 01:00:22,480 You mean to tell me, Manson drove that bus up the way we just came? 658 01:00:23,586 --> 01:00:28,182 He brought it up here from the Vegas side, which is only a little less rough. 659 01:00:28,358 --> 01:00:31,691 It'll never be driven out of here, I can tell you that. 660 01:00:41,904 --> 01:00:44,737 These magazines all have an article on Hitler in them. 661 01:00:44,907 --> 01:00:47,671 Oh, Charlie's a Hitler nut... 662 01:00:48,344 --> 01:00:50,437 ...among other things. 663 01:00:51,114 --> 01:00:55,483 Vince, I have never heard anything like the report... 664 01:00:55,652 --> 01:00:58,883 ...the raiding officers turned in on this gang up here. 665 01:00:59,055 --> 01:01:05,324 Drugs, sex orgies, dozens of girls running around naked. 666 01:01:05,828 --> 01:01:09,730 Hell, they were charging all over the landscape... 667 01:01:09,899 --> 01:01:12,868 ...in a bunch of dune buggies they brought up here. 668 01:01:13,036 --> 01:01:17,871 They had field phones strung all over the area. 669 01:01:20,209 --> 01:01:24,669 You- You know this Charlie thinks he's Jesus Christ. 670 01:01:24,847 --> 01:01:26,872 Yeah, so I heard. 671 01:01:28,685 --> 01:01:30,277 Vince... 672 01:01:30,987 --> 01:01:34,980 ...what exactly are you looking for? - Remember that. 22 I told you about? 673 01:01:35,158 --> 01:01:38,127 Come on, there are no guns here. 674 01:01:38,294 --> 01:01:41,195 This place has been gone over with a fine-toothed comb. 675 01:01:41,364 --> 01:01:43,628 Well, at the LaBianca residence... 676 01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,769 ...the credit cards were stolen, and her driver's license. 677 01:01:46,936 --> 01:01:48,995 Maybe they stole some dresses. 678 01:01:49,172 --> 01:01:50,434 Hey. 679 01:01:50,606 --> 01:01:55,737 - These dresses come from good stores. - Maybe we can find some blood stains. 680 01:01:55,912 --> 01:01:59,609 At the Tate residence, a killer left a bloody heel print on the porch. 681 01:01:59,782 --> 01:02:03,741 There was a little mark, a little indentation. If I could match that up... 682 01:02:16,799 --> 01:02:21,395 - Hey, Ross, did you find anything? - Oh, yeah, everything except blood. 683 01:02:21,571 --> 01:02:26,304 This is the filthiest mess of clothes I've seen. It should be cleaned, then burned. 684 01:02:26,476 --> 01:02:28,535 - What time you got? -3:30. 685 01:02:28,711 --> 01:02:33,614 - Already? You sure about that thing? - Within a minute, you could bet on it. 686 01:02:33,783 --> 01:02:38,982 It gets dark early up here. I think we should start back. 687 01:02:39,756 --> 01:02:44,352 Independence, California, November 21, 1969. 688 01:02:52,802 --> 01:02:57,933 Lisa Armbruster, 25, also known as Richie. Married name, Mrs. Charles Nicholas. 689 01:02:58,107 --> 01:03:04,239 Cindy Jane Orelia, 21, also known as Freckles, also known as Martha Ellen Fry. 690 01:03:12,789 --> 01:03:15,053 Excuse me, girls. I've been looking for you. 691 01:03:15,224 --> 01:03:17,954 Aren't you Cindy and Lisa? 692 01:03:19,428 --> 01:03:24,422 - I'm Vincent Bugliosi. - Oh, the DA from L.A.? 693 01:03:25,134 --> 01:03:27,659 Did you enjoy your trip to the ranch? 694 01:03:27,837 --> 01:03:32,501 We visited Charlie in the jailhouse. He told us you were there. 695 01:03:32,675 --> 01:03:36,509 Well, how'd you girls like to have a little chat with me this afternoon? 696 01:03:37,780 --> 01:03:40,772 Sure, if you'll buy us some candy. 697 01:03:46,589 --> 01:03:51,526 You two are the first actual members of the Manson Family I've had a chance to talk to. 698 01:03:52,528 --> 01:03:56,521 - You seem very happy. - We are. 699 01:03:56,699 --> 01:04:01,102 - Mr. Fowles has a very nice office. - Are you always this happy? 700 01:04:02,371 --> 01:04:05,135 - What's the secret? - We found the truth. 701 01:04:05,842 --> 01:04:08,743 - What's the truth? - Charlie is love. 702 01:04:09,579 --> 01:04:12,707 Charlie is love. Is that it? 703 01:04:12,882 --> 01:04:17,410 - How do you mean, the male-female sense? - Well, that's it, but that's only a part. 704 01:04:17,587 --> 01:04:21,489 - Love is love. You can't define it. - Did Charlie teach you that? 705 01:04:23,025 --> 01:04:27,758 Charlie taught us to look at ourselves and see the love within. 706 01:04:33,202 --> 01:04:36,831 When you accompanied Charlie up to Barker Ranch in that bus... 707 01:04:37,006 --> 01:04:40,066 ...how did he get it over the washouts? - He flew it. 708 01:04:40,610 --> 01:04:42,134 You mean-? 709 01:04:42,578 --> 01:04:46,241 You actually believe Charlie made the bus fly over the washouts? 710 01:04:47,583 --> 01:04:49,483 Oh, we were there. 711 01:04:50,486 --> 01:04:52,750 Do you believe he's Jesus Christ? 712 01:05:00,363 --> 01:05:03,890 When you were at Spahn Ranch, Charlie assigned you to keep house... 713 01:05:04,066 --> 01:05:08,093 ...for George Spahn. Is that right? - Yes. I love George. 714 01:05:08,271 --> 01:05:11,240 Is your love for Charlie different than for George Spahn? 715 01:05:11,407 --> 01:05:14,205 No. Love is love. 716 01:05:14,377 --> 01:05:16,743 Come on. George Spahn is over 80 years old. 717 01:05:17,013 --> 01:05:22,315 I'm in love with George. If he asked me to marry him, I would. 718 01:05:22,485 --> 01:05:26,012 He's a beautiful person inside. 719 01:05:26,455 --> 01:05:28,685 And he's a good lover too. 720 01:05:29,458 --> 01:05:32,894 Actually, I'm not very interested in your sex life, Cindy. 721 01:05:33,262 --> 01:05:36,288 What I am very, very interested in is what you may know... 722 01:05:36,465 --> 01:05:39,457 ...about the Tate, Hinman, LaBianca and other murders. 723 01:05:39,635 --> 01:05:46,063 - We don't know anything about any crimes. - All we know or care about is love. 724 01:05:47,944 --> 01:05:49,343 I see. 725 01:05:49,512 --> 01:05:54,415 Well, do you mind telling me where you two were on the nights of August 8 and 9? 726 01:05:54,583 --> 01:05:57,677 There's no such thing as time. 727 01:05:58,788 --> 01:06:00,847 There's only love. 728 01:06:10,733 --> 01:06:16,000 Okay, Charlie, let's get going. Gate's open. Unlocked. 729 01:06:18,541 --> 01:06:20,168 Gate open. 730 01:06:24,246 --> 01:06:26,806 Okay, Charlie. Let's go. 731 01:06:28,684 --> 01:06:34,213 Charlie, tell me, what is it you got against these earthmoving machines anyhow? 732 01:06:34,390 --> 01:06:37,553 That's the pigs ripping off nature, man. 733 01:06:37,727 --> 01:06:40,855 Is that a fact? Well, let's go. Come on. 734 01:07:04,854 --> 01:07:07,345 Three months after the Tate-LaBianca murders... 735 01:07:07,523 --> 01:07:10,686 ...Manson is arraigned at the Inyo-Kern County courthouse... 736 01:07:10,860 --> 01:07:14,091 ...for the destruction of the county's earthmoving equipment. 737 01:07:16,766 --> 01:07:22,227 I understand Manson's going to plead not guilty to setting fire to that machine. 738 01:07:22,405 --> 01:07:25,568 - He'll get bail. - Ask for as high a bail as possible. 739 01:07:25,741 --> 01:07:28,869 You can hold him till I'm ready for the grand jury in L.A. 740 01:07:29,045 --> 01:07:30,842 Okay. 741 01:07:34,150 --> 01:07:39,486 Five deputies for me? What do you gentlemen do when you get a real baddy? 742 01:07:47,430 --> 01:07:50,695 - That's Jesus Christ. - What'd you do with his disciples? 743 01:07:50,933 --> 01:07:54,266 They sound alike, say the same thing, nobody tells me anything. 744 01:07:54,437 --> 01:07:59,636 That's telling me something. Manson is exercising domination over these girls. 745 01:08:01,944 --> 01:08:05,004 The way we can get them to talk is to bring them to L.A... 746 01:08:05,181 --> 01:08:07,775 ...away from him, and question them separately. 747 01:08:07,950 --> 01:08:13,149 The wandering troubadour act of his. It's part of a con to get us to underestimate him. 748 01:08:13,489 --> 01:08:16,788 If he looks like he's gonna make bail, give me a call in L.A. 749 01:08:16,959 --> 01:08:18,517 Okay. 750 01:08:32,308 --> 01:08:37,405 The Manson girls are transferred from Independence to L.A. County jurisdiction. 751 01:08:56,165 --> 01:08:58,565 Pigs, bye-bye. 752 01:09:14,483 --> 01:09:18,579 I've talked to the girls, Danny, and I believe Manson had enough domination... 753 01:09:18,754 --> 01:09:22,588 ...to send them to do anything. - Not just the girls. Clem, Tex, Bobby- 754 01:09:22,758 --> 01:09:28,162 Why? Why would he send them to kill Sharon Tate and everybody in that house? 755 01:09:28,364 --> 01:09:31,527 They didn't go there to rob them. They didn't take anything. 756 01:09:31,700 --> 01:09:36,694 See, Charlie taught the Family that pigs just deserve to die. 757 01:09:36,906 --> 01:09:38,931 I mean, that's all they were good for. 758 01:09:39,108 --> 01:09:43,442 He wanted to kill the pigs, blame it on the niggers and start a race war. 759 01:09:43,612 --> 01:09:45,705 Why a race war? 760 01:09:47,316 --> 01:09:48,840 Well... 761 01:09:49,685 --> 01:09:54,088 ...Charlie was always preaching that the karma was turning, you know? 762 01:09:54,256 --> 01:09:56,986 And it was blackies turn to be on top. 763 01:09:57,159 --> 01:10:01,425 - But why? - I don't know. That's just what he said. 764 01:10:02,264 --> 01:10:04,789 Who did he call pigs? 765 01:10:05,801 --> 01:10:07,166 The establishment. 766 01:10:08,737 --> 01:10:12,195 Pigs. They use that word a lot, don't they? 767 01:10:13,943 --> 01:10:15,740 That's right. 768 01:10:16,879 --> 01:10:18,107 All the time. 769 01:10:18,614 --> 01:10:21,276 Well, if the other girls talked like you say, fine. 770 01:10:22,885 --> 01:10:24,853 More power to you. Why do you need me? 771 01:10:25,020 --> 01:10:28,979 Leslie Van Houten is interrogated by Sergeant O'Neal of homicide, L.A.P.D. 772 01:10:29,158 --> 01:10:31,820 I wanna know who was involved. 773 01:10:32,361 --> 01:10:35,057 I wanna know how it went down, all the details. 774 01:10:35,231 --> 01:10:38,689 I said I'd talk about it if I changed my mind. 775 01:10:38,867 --> 01:10:41,199 I haven't changed my mind yet. 776 01:10:41,370 --> 01:10:43,634 You're gonna have to talk about it someday. 777 01:10:43,806 --> 01:10:46,866 Maybe, but not today. 778 01:10:47,042 --> 01:10:52,207 Hey, how did you ever trace it back to Spahn? 779 01:10:53,282 --> 01:10:55,910 Who did you see leave the night of August 8? 780 01:10:56,085 --> 01:11:01,717 I went to bed early that night. Really, I don't want to talk about it. 781 01:11:04,493 --> 01:11:08,156 - Why are you trying to protect them? - I don't need to protect nobody. 782 01:11:08,330 --> 01:11:11,197 You couldn't meet a nicer bunch of people. 783 01:11:11,367 --> 01:11:14,336 The Family's no more, Leslie. Charlie's in jail. 784 01:11:14,503 --> 01:11:16,095 - Not for long. - Clem's in jail. 785 01:11:16,272 --> 01:11:18,672 Boots killed himself playing Russian roulette. 786 01:11:18,841 --> 01:11:20,365 Boots dead? 787 01:11:20,976 --> 01:11:23,968 Playing Russian roulette? How? Who else was there? 788 01:11:24,146 --> 01:11:26,273 - Cisco Budge. - Was Cisco playing too? 789 01:11:26,448 --> 01:11:27,779 No. 790 01:11:29,084 --> 01:11:32,212 Boots was playing Russian roulette all by himself. 791 01:11:32,688 --> 01:11:34,656 Kind of odd, isn't it? 792 01:11:35,124 --> 01:11:37,285 Yeah, it's odd. 793 01:11:38,961 --> 01:11:40,656 Leslie... 794 01:11:40,829 --> 01:11:45,027 ...we know that five people went to the Tate residence. Three girls and two men. 795 01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:46,997 We know that one was Charles. 796 01:11:47,202 --> 01:11:50,228 I don't think Charlie was in on any of them. 797 01:11:50,406 --> 01:11:54,137 There were only four people went up there and three of them were girls. 798 01:11:54,310 --> 01:11:57,211 I heard one girl didn't murder anyone while they was- 799 01:11:57,379 --> 01:12:00,109 - They were up there. - No? Who was that? 800 01:12:00,582 --> 01:12:02,140 Girl by the name of Linda. 801 01:12:02,318 --> 01:12:03,649 - Linda who? - I don't know. 802 01:12:03,819 --> 01:12:07,050 - Who told you she was there? - I don't remember! 803 01:12:08,424 --> 01:12:12,155 I don't remember who told me little details. 804 01:12:13,228 --> 01:12:18,962 Susan Atkins told 15 people in the jailhouse she was there and that she took part in it. 805 01:12:19,134 --> 01:12:21,466 That's incredible. 806 01:12:24,173 --> 01:12:26,539 Didn't she mention anyone else? 807 01:12:26,709 --> 01:12:30,110 - Charlie and Katie. - Not Charlie. Charles. 808 01:12:30,279 --> 01:12:33,009 He's Tex. Tex Watson. 809 01:12:35,150 --> 01:12:39,644 - She mentioned Tex and Katie? - That's right. 810 01:12:40,923 --> 01:12:43,357 That's pretty nauseating. 811 01:12:47,162 --> 01:12:51,656 She said that Katie was there. Now, I know that Katie's Patricia Krenwinkel. 812 01:12:51,867 --> 01:12:55,166 And you know that Katie's Patricia Krenwinkel. 813 01:12:57,973 --> 01:13:01,067 She said she went out the next night and killed two people. 814 01:13:01,477 --> 01:13:03,638 Sadie said that? 815 01:13:05,214 --> 01:13:08,206 I'm not saying another word. Nothing! 816 01:13:09,818 --> 01:13:12,946 Leslie, when you help me, you're helping yourself. 817 01:13:13,756 --> 01:13:18,318 If Boots was found playing Russian roulette, I could be found playing Russian roulette. 818 01:13:18,894 --> 01:13:24,457 - We'll give you 24-hour protection. - Oh, that would really be nice. 819 01:13:25,067 --> 01:13:28,264 I'd rather stay in jail. 820 01:13:35,411 --> 01:13:39,643 Based on inadvertent bits of information leaked by Leslie Van Houten and others... 821 01:13:39,815 --> 01:13:44,946 ...and interviews with detectives, L.A.P.D. issues warrants for arrests of three persons. 822 01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,884 That's right, sheriff, Charles Denton Watson. 823 01:13:48,056 --> 01:13:52,356 Male Caucasian, 6-feet-2, 160 pounds... 824 01:13:52,528 --> 01:13:57,227 ...slim build, ruddy complexion, born December 2, 1945. 825 01:13:57,399 --> 01:13:59,367 -5-foot-3. -187 P.C. Murder. 826 01:14:02,738 --> 01:14:07,675 22 years old, brown hair, blue eyes. That's correct, sir. 827 01:14:07,843 --> 01:14:11,677 Krenwinkel, Patricia. 187 P.C. 828 01:14:11,847 --> 01:14:17,376 Linda Kasabian, age 20, no physical description, present address unknown. 829 01:14:17,553 --> 01:14:19,714 - Hi, Vince. - How you doing? 830 01:14:20,355 --> 01:14:23,153 Talked to Sheriff Ansel in Watson's hometown in Texas. 831 01:14:23,325 --> 01:14:25,623 Watson's there. Sheriff's gonna pick him up. 832 01:14:25,794 --> 01:14:29,890 Ansel, Ansel. Watson used that name. He's using his hometown sheriff's name? 833 01:14:30,065 --> 01:14:32,863 - Second cousins. - I smell extradition problems. 834 01:14:33,035 --> 01:14:34,434 - Maybe good news. - What? 835 01:14:34,603 --> 01:14:38,869 Watson was busted on a drug charge in Van Nuys on April 23 and fingerprinted. 836 01:14:39,041 --> 01:14:42,704 I sent the fingerprints down to latent print section on rush order. 837 01:14:42,878 --> 01:14:45,574 - You come up with anything? - We're working on it. 838 01:14:45,747 --> 01:14:48,238 When we find it, we'll give it to you. 839 01:14:51,386 --> 01:14:52,785 Right. 840 01:14:53,822 --> 01:14:55,221 Thank you. 841 01:14:57,759 --> 01:14:59,784 Print on Watson's right ring finger... 842 01:14:59,962 --> 01:15:03,523 ...matches the latent thumb on the front door to the Tate residence. 843 01:15:07,669 --> 01:15:11,662 I'll buy you a cup of coffee. That's the first piece of physical evidence... 844 01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,638 ...connecting any of the suspects to the crime scene. 845 01:15:14,810 --> 01:15:18,143 - What about Manson? - Not one of the five girls will discuss him. 846 01:15:18,313 --> 01:15:22,113 - Not even Van Houten. - So the big fish is still out of the net. 847 01:15:22,284 --> 01:15:26,414 - The only shot we have is Atkins, Vince. - Immunity for the little monster. 848 01:15:26,588 --> 01:15:31,116 - We don't have much choice. - A minute ago I was happy, now I'm down. 849 01:15:31,293 --> 01:15:34,751 No matter who we convict, if Charlie and Sadie go free, we failed. 850 01:15:34,930 --> 01:15:39,299 Partial failure, maybe. Partial isn't as bad as total failure. 851 01:15:39,668 --> 01:15:43,695 Somehow judging my life by the size of my failures doesn't really grab me. 852 01:15:45,841 --> 01:15:48,901 Concord, NH. Three months, two weeks after the slayings... 853 01:15:49,077 --> 01:15:53,309 ...Linda Kasabian, hearing that a warrant is out for her, surrenders to police. 854 01:15:56,785 --> 01:15:58,150 In McKinney, Texas... 855 01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:02,347 ...Sergeant Phil Cohen telephones his report to L.A.P.D. 856 01:16:03,692 --> 01:16:09,255 The sheriff, Ansel, won't let us talk to Watson or even take his fingerprints. 857 01:16:11,700 --> 01:16:13,167 I don't know. 858 01:16:13,335 --> 01:16:17,203 We're not gonna get much cooperation from these good old boys down here... 859 01:16:17,372 --> 01:16:20,136 ...as far as getting Watson to L.A. To stand trial. 860 01:16:22,911 --> 01:16:25,971 Listen. Before we go in, Dennis, let's check signals. 861 01:16:26,148 --> 01:16:27,945 I want this to be a short meeting. 862 01:16:28,116 --> 01:16:30,914 This is to confirm with the DA what we've discussed. 863 01:16:31,086 --> 01:16:34,453 The best deal that we can give Susan is if she cooperates... 864 01:16:34,623 --> 01:16:39,583 ...and testifies truthfully before the jury about the Hinman, Tate, LaBianca cases... 865 01:16:39,761 --> 01:16:44,494 ...then we will not seek the death penalty against her in those cases, okay? 866 01:16:44,666 --> 01:16:49,296 You won't use her testimony against her or her codefendants at the trial. 867 01:16:49,471 --> 01:16:52,372 - We're getting the short end. - She's all we've got. 868 01:16:52,541 --> 01:16:56,204 At least we'll get indictments. I don't want a lot of renegotiation... 869 01:16:56,378 --> 01:16:58,676 ...to start after we get in Younger's office. - I'm with you. 870 01:16:58,847 --> 01:17:00,974 - He knows how lucky he is. - Aaron, Vince! 871 01:17:01,149 --> 01:17:04,084 - Lieutenant, you know Dennis? - I've seen him around. 872 01:17:04,252 --> 01:17:07,050 - Could I speak to you alone? - I'll meet you inside. 873 01:17:07,222 --> 01:17:09,053 Right. Right, guy. 874 01:17:09,791 --> 01:17:12,589 We got an exemplar of Krenwinkel's prints from Mobile. 875 01:17:12,761 --> 01:17:15,252 The print of the little finger on her left hand... 876 01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:19,093 ...matches a latent that Gerebone lifted off a door in Tate's bedroom. 877 01:17:19,267 --> 01:17:21,167 - You do good work. - Most of the time. 878 01:17:21,336 --> 01:17:24,169 - Who's your friend? - It's great having physical evidence... 879 01:17:24,339 --> 01:17:27,797 ...but I've gotta have the 22 Buntline and a case against Manson. 880 01:17:36,918 --> 01:17:40,786 Now you know that the grand jury proceedings are secret... 881 01:17:43,025 --> 01:17:45,687 Thank you very much, gentlemen! Thank you. 882 01:17:50,532 --> 01:17:56,198 - Where did you first meet Charlie? - I was living in his house in Haight-Ashbury. 883 01:17:56,371 --> 01:18:00,068 Were there other young men and women living in that house with you? 884 01:18:00,242 --> 01:18:01,869 Oh, sure. 885 01:18:02,044 --> 01:18:06,276 Would it be fair and accurate to say that as a group you were into drugs? 886 01:18:06,448 --> 01:18:08,916 Sure, that would be accurate. 887 01:18:09,084 --> 01:18:12,281 - Shall I get back to Charlie? - Yes, go ahead, please. 888 01:18:13,522 --> 01:18:17,754 Charlie's looking at us right now, and he can hear everything we're saying. 889 01:18:17,926 --> 01:18:20,588 Susan, Charlie is up in Independence, in jail. 890 01:18:23,532 --> 01:18:26,160 You're not capable of understanding. 891 01:18:26,501 --> 01:18:28,401 Well... 892 01:18:29,271 --> 01:18:32,707 ...I was sitting in the living room, this is about two years ago... 893 01:18:33,075 --> 01:18:36,374 ...and a man walked in, and he had a guitar with him. 894 01:18:36,545 --> 01:18:40,675 And all of a sudden he was surrounded by girls, and he started to sing. 895 01:18:40,849 --> 01:18:42,942 He sounded like an angel. 896 01:18:43,118 --> 01:18:46,485 - You are referring to Charles Manson? - Yes. 897 01:18:47,656 --> 01:18:50,750 A couple of days later, he asked me to go for a walk... 898 01:18:50,926 --> 01:18:54,828 ...and we walked a couple of blocks to another house... 899 01:18:54,996 --> 01:18:57,692 ...and he told me he wanted to make love with me. 900 01:18:57,866 --> 01:19:01,495 I acknowledged the fact that I wanted to make love with him. 901 01:19:01,670 --> 01:19:05,800 And when I had all my clothes off, he told me... 902 01:19:05,974 --> 01:19:09,466 ...to go over to the mirror and look at myself. 903 01:19:10,979 --> 01:19:16,178 I didn't wanna do it, but he took me by the hand and made me do it. 904 01:19:17,753 --> 01:19:21,655 And he said, "Go ahead and look at yourself. 905 01:19:21,823 --> 01:19:25,691 There's nothing wrong with you. You're perfect. 906 01:19:25,861 --> 01:19:28,227 You always have been perfect. " 907 01:19:29,297 --> 01:19:34,291 - Did you have sexual intercourse with him? - Yes. 908 01:19:34,669 --> 01:19:37,229 Was there any limit to what you would do for him? 909 01:19:37,939 --> 01:19:40,965 - No. - Did you steal for him? 910 01:19:41,877 --> 01:19:47,474 For him? Well, I stole. We all stole. Credit cards, cars, other things. 911 01:19:47,716 --> 01:19:50,742 Did Charlie Manson ask you to steal for him? 912 01:19:50,919 --> 01:19:55,481 No, I took it upon myself. I was... 913 01:19:55,657 --> 01:19:59,252 - We get programmed. - Programmed by Charlie? 914 01:20:00,328 --> 01:20:02,990 By Charlie, but... 915 01:20:04,299 --> 01:20:07,166 It's hard for me to explain it so that... 916 01:20:07,335 --> 01:20:12,568 ...you can see the way- The way I see. 917 01:20:12,741 --> 01:20:18,077 The words that would come from Charlie's mouth would not come from inside him. 918 01:20:18,246 --> 01:20:22,307 They would come from- From what I call the infinite. 919 01:20:23,151 --> 01:20:27,212 - The infinite? - Yes. The infinite. 920 01:20:38,033 --> 01:20:44,268 On the eighth of August, did Charlie instruct you and other members to do anything? 921 01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:48,637 Well, I never recall getting any actual instructions from Charlie, other than... 922 01:20:48,810 --> 01:20:55,010 ...getting a change of clothing and a knife and was told to do what Tex told me to do. 923 01:20:55,183 --> 01:20:58,277 Did he tell you the type of clothing you should take? 924 01:20:58,453 --> 01:21:01,047 He said to wear dark clothes. 925 01:21:01,489 --> 01:21:03,650 And who went with you that night? 926 01:21:04,159 --> 01:21:06,286 Katie, Tex and Linda. 927 01:21:11,199 --> 01:21:15,693 And Tex said we were going to a house that used to belong to Terry Melcher. 928 01:21:15,871 --> 01:21:20,171 The only reason we were going there was because Tex knew the outline of the house. 929 01:21:20,342 --> 01:21:24,108 Did Tex tell you why you were going to Terry Melcher's former residence? 930 01:21:24,279 --> 01:21:27,248 To get all the money and kill whoever was there. 931 01:21:28,550 --> 01:21:31,883 Didn't make any difference who. You were told to kill them all? 932 01:21:32,053 --> 01:21:33,520 Yes. 933 01:21:33,688 --> 01:21:37,522 - Did all of you girls enter at the same time? - Only two of us entered. 934 01:21:37,692 --> 01:21:40,490 - One stayed outside. - And who stayed outside? 935 01:21:40,662 --> 01:21:42,789 Linda Kasabian. 936 01:21:47,035 --> 01:21:51,904 And Frykowski ran for the front door, yelling for somebody to come and help him. 937 01:21:52,073 --> 01:21:56,567 When he did, Tex got to him and started hitting him over the head with the gun butt. 938 01:21:56,745 --> 01:22:00,237 When the gun butt broke, he started stabbing him. 939 01:22:01,383 --> 01:22:03,283 Well... 940 01:22:03,451 --> 01:22:08,821 ...when I came out of the house, I saw Tex stabbing Abigail Folger three or... 941 01:22:08,990 --> 01:22:11,356 I don't know how many times. 942 01:22:11,526 --> 01:22:15,121 Katie and I were looking for Linda because she wasn't around. 943 01:22:15,764 --> 01:22:19,200 Then Tex went over to where the other man was on the lawn. 944 01:22:19,567 --> 01:22:21,501 - Frykowski? - Yes. 945 01:22:21,870 --> 01:22:23,861 And Tex kicked him in the head... 946 01:22:24,039 --> 01:22:28,203 ...and the body didn't move very much, and I believe it was dead at the time. 947 01:22:31,212 --> 01:22:33,806 We have a juror who would like to be excused... 948 01:22:33,982 --> 01:22:37,383 ...for just a couple of minutes. 949 01:22:51,833 --> 01:22:54,927 And then Tex told me to go back in the house... 950 01:22:55,103 --> 01:22:57,503 ...and write something in the victim's blood. 951 01:22:57,672 --> 01:23:00,641 "Something that would shock the world," he said. 952 01:23:01,643 --> 01:23:05,773 Well, I'd previously been involved in something similar to this... 953 01:23:05,947 --> 01:23:08,939 ...where I saw "political piggy" written on the wall. 954 01:23:09,117 --> 01:23:11,551 So that stuck very heavily in my mind. 955 01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:18,148 So I went back in the house and walked over to Sharon Tate, and I heard sounds. 956 01:23:19,861 --> 01:23:22,022 What kind of sounds were they? 957 01:23:22,764 --> 01:23:27,064 Gurgling sounds, like blood flowing into the body out of the heart. 958 01:23:28,036 --> 01:23:29,936 What did you do then? 959 01:23:31,740 --> 01:23:36,302 I picked up the towel, turned my head and touched her chest... 960 01:23:36,478 --> 01:23:41,211 ...and at the same time, I saw that she was pregnant. 961 01:23:41,383 --> 01:23:47,686 And I knew that there was a living being inside of that body, and I wanted to... 962 01:23:47,856 --> 01:23:51,383 ...but I didn't have the courage to go ahead and take it. 963 01:23:54,896 --> 01:23:58,195 I took the towel with Sharon Tate's blood... 964 01:23:58,366 --> 01:24:03,702 ...walked over to the door, and with the towel wrote "pig" on the door. 965 01:24:09,878 --> 01:24:14,372 And when we got back to the ranch, Charlie was waiting for us. 966 01:24:14,549 --> 01:24:18,007 He wanted to know what we were doing home so early. 967 01:24:18,186 --> 01:24:21,678 Tex told him basically what we had done. He said: 968 01:24:21,856 --> 01:24:25,257 "It all happened fast and there was a lot of panic. " 969 01:24:25,894 --> 01:24:32,163 He said, "Boy, it sure was helter skelter. " And then... 970 01:24:32,934 --> 01:24:36,597 ...I wiped the car down for blood, and I went to bed. 971 01:24:36,771 --> 01:24:39,638 I made love to someone. 972 01:24:39,808 --> 01:24:45,576 Clem, I think. I'm not sure. Maybe I imagined it. 973 01:24:49,150 --> 01:24:53,678 Now we come to the second night, the night of August the ninth. 974 01:24:54,689 --> 01:24:57,920 Well, that evening Charlie told me again... 975 01:24:58,093 --> 01:25:02,496 ...to go ahead and get an extra set of clothing, and I looked at him... 976 01:25:02,664 --> 01:25:04,791 ...and I knew what he wanted me to do. 977 01:25:04,966 --> 01:25:08,561 And I gave a sort of sigh and went and did what he asked me to do. 978 01:25:09,003 --> 01:25:10,698 Who went with you that night? 979 01:25:10,972 --> 01:25:13,839 Charlie and Katie and Tex and Linda and- 980 01:25:14,008 --> 01:25:17,375 - Charlie went with you that night? - He was in the car, yes. 981 01:25:17,545 --> 01:25:19,536 - Who else? - And Leslie. 982 01:25:19,714 --> 01:25:21,705 - Leslie Van Houten? - Yes. 983 01:25:25,954 --> 01:25:31,324 And then Katie said the woman heard her husband being killed and started to scream: 984 01:25:31,493 --> 01:25:34,053 "What are you doing to my husband?" 985 01:25:36,064 --> 01:25:39,591 And then Katie said that she then proceeded to stab the woman. 986 01:25:40,101 --> 01:25:42,331 Katie told you this the next morning? 987 01:25:43,037 --> 01:25:47,371 Like I said, Charlie and Linda and I drove off after they went into the house. 988 01:25:47,709 --> 01:25:50,678 Leslie was helping Katie hold the woman down. 989 01:25:50,879 --> 01:25:52,176 Rosemary LaBianca? 990 01:25:52,347 --> 01:25:55,942 We found out later it was Rosemary LaBianca. 991 01:25:56,951 --> 01:26:00,751 Leslie was helping Katie hold the woman down because she was fighting... 992 01:26:00,922 --> 01:26:03,083 ...all the way up until she died. 993 01:26:04,058 --> 01:26:07,755 Then Katie said she went in the living room with a fork in her hand... 994 01:26:07,929 --> 01:26:11,524 ...looked at the man's stomach, put the fork in his stomach... 995 01:26:11,699 --> 01:26:14,862 ...and watched it wobble back and forth. 996 01:26:17,405 --> 01:26:19,999 She said she carved the word "war" on his stomach. 997 01:26:20,175 --> 01:26:22,769 Then did Katie, Tex and Leslie leave the house? 998 01:26:23,511 --> 01:26:27,038 No. First they wrote some stuff in blood. 999 01:26:27,215 --> 01:26:31,914 "Death to all pigs," I think, and "Helter Skelter" and "arise. " 1000 01:26:32,086 --> 01:26:35,988 Then they took a shower, went in the kitchen and made something to eat. 1001 01:26:36,591 --> 01:26:40,823 Susan, what do the words "pig" and "Helter Skelter" mean to you and your Family? 1002 01:26:41,629 --> 01:26:45,895 "Pig" was a word used to describe the establishment. 1003 01:26:46,067 --> 01:26:49,935 But you must understand that all words had no meaning to us. 1004 01:26:50,104 --> 01:26:54,268 - And "Helter Skelter" was explained to me. - By whom? 1005 01:26:54,442 --> 01:26:55,704 Charlie. 1006 01:26:57,111 --> 01:27:02,811 I don't like to say Charlie. I'd like to say the words came from his mouth... 1007 01:27:02,984 --> 01:27:07,114 ...that Helter Skelter was to be the last war on the face of the Earth. 1008 01:27:07,288 --> 01:27:13,557 It would be all wars that had been fought built one on top of the other, something... 1009 01:27:13,728 --> 01:27:17,630 ...no man can conceive in his imagination. 1010 01:27:26,174 --> 01:27:31,874 You can't conceive of what it would be like to see every man judge himself... 1011 01:27:32,046 --> 01:27:36,745 ...and then take it out on every other man all over the face of the Earth. 1012 01:28:09,183 --> 01:28:12,277 Sunday, December 14, 1969. 1013 01:28:12,453 --> 01:28:14,751 Four months after the murders took place... 1014 01:28:14,922 --> 01:28:18,153 ...the world begins to read Susan Atkins' story of the murders. 1015 01:28:21,663 --> 01:28:25,224 Hey, Charlie. Hear what happened? 1016 01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:29,632 Your little tootsie sold her story to the newspapers. It's all in there. 1017 01:28:29,804 --> 01:28:34,332 How you done it. How they done it, all on your orders. 1018 01:28:34,876 --> 01:28:37,071 Think you're a big deal, don't you? 1019 01:28:37,245 --> 01:28:41,682 Well, I wanna tell you, your butt is in a sling. 1020 01:28:42,917 --> 01:28:47,911 Know what they're gonna do to you? They're gonna walk you the long walk. 1021 01:28:48,623 --> 01:28:51,251 They're gonna drop the pill on you, Charlie. 1022 01:28:53,194 --> 01:28:55,992 What do you think of that, huh? Huh? 1023 01:29:08,710 --> 01:29:11,270 It's the same story she gave the grand jury. 1024 01:29:11,646 --> 01:29:15,138 Can't use that. Can't use this. 1025 01:29:15,316 --> 01:29:18,649 They'll claim a fair trial's impossible. Too much publicity. 1026 01:29:18,820 --> 01:29:22,153 It's gonna be hard finding jurors that haven't heard about this. 1027 01:29:22,323 --> 01:29:24,621 This just makes a tough trial tougher. 1028 01:29:25,426 --> 01:29:29,419 Susan's lawyer swears the sale was made only for European publication. 1029 01:29:29,697 --> 01:29:32,791 He has no idea how The Times got ahold of the story. 1030 01:29:32,967 --> 01:29:34,434 Just a fortunate accident. 1031 01:29:34,602 --> 01:29:38,698 The Los Angeles County grand jury hands down the following indictments: 1032 01:29:38,873 --> 01:29:41,603 Leslie Van Houten, in custody in Los Angeles... 1033 01:29:41,776 --> 01:29:45,712 ...two counts of murder and one count of conspiracy to commit murder. 1034 01:29:46,247 --> 01:29:49,705 Susan Atkins, in custody in Los Angeles, seven counts of murder... 1035 01:29:49,884 --> 01:29:52,409 ...and one count of conspiracy to commit murder. 1036 01:29:53,454 --> 01:29:56,355 Charles Tex Watson, in custody in McKinney, Texas... 1037 01:29:56,524 --> 01:29:59,982 ...seven counts of murder, one count of conspiracy to commit murder. 1038 01:30:01,162 --> 01:30:04,359 Patricia Katie Krenwinkel, in custody in Mobile, Alabama... 1039 01:30:04,532 --> 01:30:08,525 ...seven counts of murder and one count of conspiracy to commit murder. 1040 01:30:14,075 --> 01:30:16,339 Linda Kasabian, in custody in Los Angeles... 1041 01:30:16,511 --> 01:30:19,639 ...seven counts of murder, one of conspiracy to commit murder. 1042 01:30:21,549 --> 01:30:24,518 Charles Manson, in custody in Independence, California... 1043 01:30:24,685 --> 01:30:29,019 ...seven counts of murder and one count of conspiracy to commit murder. 1044 01:30:36,130 --> 01:30:37,563 - Hi, Manny. - Hey, Vince. 1045 01:30:37,732 --> 01:30:42,465 You're not supposed to be walking alone. You're on Manson's death list. 1046 01:30:42,637 --> 01:30:44,229 Oh, wonderful. 1047 01:30:44,505 --> 01:30:47,599 Glad you came. I'm doing the arraignments in four minutes. 1048 01:30:47,775 --> 01:30:50,573 Phil and I brought Charlie from Independence today- 1049 01:30:51,573 --> 01:31:01,573 Downloaded From www.AllSubs.org 86660

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