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chill electronic music
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[Orna] Couples form this world
between them in which they come
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to assume all sorts of
things, as if that's,
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of course, just the truth.
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If you stand a little bit
outside of that structure,
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you realize that
is not the truth,
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that is the mini universe that
you've created for yourselves.
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If you step out of
it for one second,
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everything you thought
was completely true is not
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necessarily so, and you can
see it totally differently.
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If you can give
couples just a hint of that,
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you can release
them from dogged,
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grooved-in conflict that
they assume is just a must-be.
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...in order to ensure
that that doesn't happen,
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and then he doesn't do it!
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I mean, I blame him and it's...
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because of him.
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I don't know if I want
to be doing it at all.
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Jesus Christ.
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[inhales sharply]
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Stop it!
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Why do you find this funny?!
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Sometimes, I feel like I just
hate him so much I can't stand
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it anymore!
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I can't stand
being around him...
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-Hello.
-Hello.
-Hello.
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Welcome.
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Thank you.
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[Orna] When I look back and I
think about the first few weeks
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and the couples
walking into the office,
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it felt like it was gonna be
another wonderful phase of
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working through couples' issues.
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I mean, there was no clue to how
intense this journey was gonna
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be together.
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And they basically fall asleep.
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Hello.
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-Hello!
-Hello!
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[Michal] Oh, we got you a gift.
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-[Orna] Aw!
-[Michal] [laughs]
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Oh, is this a terrarium?
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-Yes, it is.
-Yes.
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-Aw, I love it.
-But it's a special terrarium.
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-Yes!
-To us, anyway.
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Yeah.
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[Michael] It's a
terrarium full of meaning.
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Oh, oops, wrong side.
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Yeah, that's my spot.
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Yeah, I'm not used to
sitting on that spot,
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on that side, I can't--
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[Michael] The
angles are all wrong,
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you never know
what could happen.
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[laughs]
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I had to go to a
specialty shop to get it,
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-so...
-[laughs]
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[Michal] Don't take
really good care of it,
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just, you know--
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-Yes, just right.
-[Michael] Just right.
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-Just right.
-[laughs]
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Wow, that's very moving.
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We're glad you like it.
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[laughs]
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[Orna] Thank you.
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I really wanted to make sure
that we talked about something
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-that happened to us this week.
-[Orna] Mm-hm.
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[Michal] Something happened to
him that was anxiety-inducing.
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Who got anxious?
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I was anxious.
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-He got anxious.
-[Orna] Yeah.
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Which is very rare, right?
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Because Michael
never gets anxious,
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but something
happened to him--
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Well, this might be something
to do with a shift in dynamic.
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-I was wondering that--
-Mm-hm.
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Because I was
thinking to myself,
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I'm like suddenly, like, I'm
pushing everything off onto
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-him--
-[Orna] Mm-hm.
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And now, he's the
one with the anxiety.
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[Orna] Yeah.
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What was the thing
that made you anxious?
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Well, it was at work, it
was some feedback with work,
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and it made--
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[Orna] What type of feedback?
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I mean--
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Feedback that,
like, I felt like,
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uh, it was like a
negative impression.
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Meaning you got
some critical feedback?
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[Michael] Critical feedback.
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And then, like--
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[Orna] What were
you anxious about?
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That, like, I had to do
more than I was doing.
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That, like, I
might fail at this.
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Yeah.
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So the something that happened
was instead of dealing with it
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on his own, he came and
started to talk to me about it.
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To me, it seemed like he was
trying to alleviate his anxiety
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onto me, and then, as
a result, I ended up,
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like, very stressed out.
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So my original solution was
"Just don't tell me about these
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things, I don't wanna know."
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I mean, ideally, if we
wanted to think about,
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like, what's the...
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like, a good
template for a couple,
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it's when there's anxiety, for
it to be indeed passed back and
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forth between the two of you so
that each of you can take a look
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at it and give some kind
of constructive opinion,
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and then pass it to
the other person,
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have another
opinion, pass it back.
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You know, when things
pass back and forth,
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they get more and more
rational, manageable,
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and the anxiety
ideally then subsides.
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So you don't think he should
keep things like that from me?
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-No.
-[Michael] [laughs]
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-[Michal] Okay.
-I don't think that's a fair
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-request.
-[Michal] That's fair enough.
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[Orna] And how are you
feeling about our work ending?
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A little anxious,
honestly. [laughs]
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[Orna] Mm-hm, mm-hm.
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Uh, you know, I've
been thinking about it--
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Why are you anxious about that?
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'Cause, you know, I had my
own-- it's not like I had-- I
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walked into this, like,
clean and I just walked away.
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Like, there were
some issues that I had.
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I was looking at
things the wrong way.
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I, like, tried to
accept them and move on but,
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like, there's always the
chance of backsliding.
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I'm worried about that.
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You know, and I'm-- and
I'm not a fool about it.
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Like, I'm aware that
it's a possibility,
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it might even be a
likely possibility.
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But I don't even want to
think about that 'cause,
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like, I gotta live
the rest of my life.
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You know the, um...
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my association, my inner
world response to the terrarium,
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the way I'm thinking about this
terrarium and the two of you is
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that many times
sitting with you two,
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when we pushed the
anxiety and the fighting away,
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when it cleared the space, what
immediately came to the surface
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between the two of you is kind
of a wonderful land of play and
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fantasy and joy.
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That's true.
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Yeah.
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[Orna] It's right there.
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[Michal] I know that's true.
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We do have a lot of
fun with each other.
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-[Orna] Mm-hm.
-It's a fun world.
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I always told him he's like
my favorite person to hang out
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-with.
-[Orna] Mm-hm.
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He's fun, you know?
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I-- yeah.
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It's a fun world.
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-[both laugh]
-Yeah.
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ambient music
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Every couple brings me to
a certain piece of work that
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I do with myself.
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It's said about people who
become therapists that they're--
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on some level, they've been
designated the role of the
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family therapist.
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[Virginia VO]
Yeah, life teaches you.
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[Orna VO] Yeah.
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I've certainly had
that role in my family,
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in terms of, like, tuning
into my mother's history,
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helping her in the
process of her healing,
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tuning into the
conflicts between my parents,
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trying to resolve that.
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With the added dimension of
the whole pandemic and all the
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upheaval that
we've been through,
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I just feel more attached
to my patients than ever.
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Yeah.
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[Orna] Like with
Matthew and Gianni,
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there's something very
courageous about them that moves
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me.
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That they've been through
this incredibly difficult thing
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together and made it through.
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[giggling]
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[sighs]
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[laughs]
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Want me to twerk for you?
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[laughs]
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I qualified for an AA meeting.
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And, you know, I think it's
funny that they call it a
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"qualification,"
because, like...
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-I'm very qualified at drinking.
-[Orna] [laughs]
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So I guess that's why they
had-- [laughs] they call it a
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"qualification?"
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-I'm not too sure.
-Uh-huh.
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But, um, I spoke at the meeting
and I-- I think I hit it home
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run.
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It was really good.
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I'm very proud of myself.
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-Awesome.
-[Matthew] Which
is a good thing.
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That is a good thing already.
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[Matthew] Yeah, it
was a good thing.
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I had two women say that
they wish I was their son.
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[laughs] So.
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-[Orna] That's wonderful--
-Wonderful.
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[Orna] On so many fronts.
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Is there a way
that you can tell me,
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us, what you said?
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Well, I think a lot of it
was stuff I learned in here,
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to be very honest with you.
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-[Orna] Mm-hm.
-Um...
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and kind of just
relating some of the past,
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uh, my past with
some of my behaviors.
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[Orna] Mm-hm.
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You know, just kind
of connected the dots,
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um, to why, you know, I felt
like I was having struggle with
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drinking and what I was
using drugs and alcohol for.
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You know, um...
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Like, we had really good
sex [laughs] last week.
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-We did!
-[laughs]
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We did!
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And it was--
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You told a lot of people.
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He what?
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I said, "You told
a lot of people."
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-[all laugh]
-[Orna] That's good.
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It was great.
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And, you know--
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But that's an expression of...?
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[Matthew] Accomplishments.
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I mean, I feel like-- I feel
like I've accomplished a lot
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because I've done the work.
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Yeah.
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Like you said, I had to
put the effort forward.
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And I feel like I did that
the other day in the bedroom.
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[laughs]
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I put the effort forward and
it, you know-- and it paid off.
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[Gianni] And seeing him in a
good place puts me in a good
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-place.
-Mm-hm.
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I feel-- I like this week has
been great also for me and my...
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you know, everything
that was going on.
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-[Orna] Your anxiety.
-Yeah, exactly.
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I feel like talking so much
about how awful the past was and
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all of that, I kind of
feel like I got my closure.
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[Orna] Yeah.
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-Like a little--
-[Orna] Absolutely.
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-Like, bef-- it's true.
-That's great.
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Before, I would
think so much about it,
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-like constantly, every day.
-[Orna] Mm-hm.
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And those past two weeks, I've
not thought once about the past
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-and how horrible things were.
-Yeah.
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And I'm just enjoying
now and the present.
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[Orna] Mm-hm.
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And that's why I was-- because
I was thinking to myself,
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I was like, "What changed?"
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And I feel like I just needed
to let all the anger in out.
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[Orna] Mm-hm.
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And put a mark on it and
say that chapter is over.
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[Orna] Yeah.
250
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-It's moved into history--
-[Gianni] Yes.
251
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-Rather than now.
-[Gianni] Yes.
252
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And I feel it in
me, I feel it inside.
253
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Like, I don't have that anxiety
and anger and all those crazy
254
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emotions in me.
255
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Like, I'm in a
completely different place.
256
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I feel even more in
love with him than before,
257
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it's true, I told him.
258
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Like, this is worth it.
259
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So.
260
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What would you say?
261
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[Matthew] Well, I
don't know, like,
262
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I-- he-- he brought that
up, uh, the other day.
263
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He said, "You know, I feel more
in love with you," and I kind of
264
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just giggled
because-- [laughs] you know,
265
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it's sweet, it's a sweet
thing to say and I think that,
266
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you know, falling more
in love is a great thing.
267
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Um, but there is a part of me
that kind of feels like there's
268
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gonna be a lot of things that
come up in a relationship that's
269
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going to last a substantial
amount of time that are...
270
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significant situations.
271
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But are you worried that
if things get really tough,
272
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Gianni will leave?
273
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Is that what you're saying?
274
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You're not sure Gianni will
stick around if it gets deep and
275
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turbulent?
276
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I guess I've just been through
a lot more in relationships,
277
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and this is his-- what he says
to be his first real significant
278
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relationship.
279
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Some of that is I
feel like you have,
280
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like, a very black and white
line of what would be acceptable
281
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and what is not, how a
relationship should be,
282
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how it shouldn't be.
283
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Last year, our relationship
was not acceptable at all.
284
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[Orna] Right.
285
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And I stayed.
286
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-And you stuck it out big-time.
-[Gianni] Yeah.
287
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I don't know why you
have this fear now.
288
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If we had to phrase what you're
saying in the form of a worry,
289
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what's your worry about Gianni?
290
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I guess looking at our
relationship and saying,
291
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you know, "This is going to be
the relationship that takes us
292
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to the end of our
time," at the root of it,
293
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I need to feel like
we've got each other's back.
294
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But are we
talking about a very,
295
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um...
296
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basic feeling of trust?
297
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I guess.
298
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Because it-- and
it's not-- I mean,
299
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and it is not trust
issues like he's having,
300
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like "Oh, you're gonna--"
301
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[Orna] It's not like
sleeping with someone else.
302
00:13:29,620 --> 00:13:30,914
Right.
303
00:13:30,956 --> 00:13:33,415
-It's at the very core, like--
-[Orna] Mm-hm.
304
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There's no way to
resolve this question,
305
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but just a way to
think about it is that,
306
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um...
307
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trust gets built over time and
the capacity to trust is not
308
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only dependent on
who you're with,
309
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it's also-- it
depends on your history,
310
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right?
311
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When you have, like, um, a
lot of trauma in your history,
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trust is not an
obvious thing at all.
313
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So it's gonna come up.
314
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When you're in a
real relationship,
315
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it's gonna come up
again and again.
316
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Mm-hm.
317
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Where are you?
318
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[laughs]
319
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Okay, Orna.
320
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[both laugh]
321
00:14:25,260 --> 00:14:26,218
[Gianni] But I see you.
322
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-"What are you thinking?"
-[Orna] Mm-hm.
323
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Good.
324
00:14:29,764 --> 00:14:31,223
Good, good, good.
325
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You're ready to go.
326
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[all laugh]
327
00:14:33,934 --> 00:14:38,981
chill electronic music
328
00:14:43,611 --> 00:14:47,490
Sometimes, couples leave
and they think they're done.
329
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But the type of
conflicts between couples,
330
00:14:54,289 --> 00:14:58,250
they work like a spiral, so
you can make your way out of a
331
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certain stuckness and rigidity,
but it's gonna come back the
332
00:15:03,798 --> 00:15:07,092
next big stressor or
the next big change,
333
00:15:07,135 --> 00:15:10,764
it's gonna be right there and
they're gonna get horrified that
334
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they're back at
that place again.
335
00:15:13,683 --> 00:15:16,602
So you just
revisit it, hopefully,
336
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at a more-- in a more mature,
enlightened state of mind.
337
00:15:21,607 --> 00:15:23,234
[Virginia] Yeah, totally.
338
00:15:23,275 --> 00:15:26,404
[Orna] So, for
example, with Tashira and Dru,
339
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when I think of her early
on, she was almost embittered,
340
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like an older embittered person.
341
00:15:32,952 --> 00:15:36,121
And by the end of
treatment, she was younger.
342
00:15:36,331 --> 00:15:39,918
It's like she went back to a
place that she must have closed
343
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off early on in her life.
344
00:15:45,631 --> 00:15:46,758
Uh-huh!
345
00:15:46,799 --> 00:15:48,259
It wasn't even
touching, it was the wire.
346
00:15:48,300 --> 00:15:49,970
Yeah, okay.
347
00:15:51,303 --> 00:15:52,096
-Hello.
-Hello.
348
00:15:52,138 --> 00:15:53,347
Hi.
349
00:15:59,938 --> 00:16:02,399
[Dru] So we added a
new member to the family.
350
00:16:02,439 --> 00:16:05,402
I got her her pup.
351
00:16:05,442 --> 00:16:07,404
-Oh, really?
-[Tashira] Yeah.
352
00:16:07,444 --> 00:16:10,240
Her early birthday present.
353
00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:11,573
Yeah.
354
00:16:11,616 --> 00:16:12,116
-[Dru] Yeah.
-Wow!
355
00:16:12,158 --> 00:16:13,742
[Tashira] Yeah,
he surprised me on,
356
00:16:13,784 --> 00:16:15,077
um, Thursday.
357
00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:19,415
We came home and...he had a
puppy with a red bow on it.
358
00:16:19,457 --> 00:16:21,583
[both laugh]
359
00:16:21,625 --> 00:16:24,420
Like, I didn't even-- I don't
even think I believed it for
360
00:16:24,462 --> 00:16:28,716
the first day or two
because it's just...
361
00:16:28,758 --> 00:16:33,804
I've never had a dog, I've
never received a gift like that.
362
00:16:34,221 --> 00:16:35,723
When he was
explaining to my son,
363
00:16:35,764 --> 00:16:39,059
like, "You know, it's our dog
but it's your mom's dog because
364
00:16:39,102 --> 00:16:44,148
your mom has been through a lot
this year and she deserves to be
365
00:16:46,276 --> 00:16:50,070
happy and have
something like this," so.
366
00:16:50,113 --> 00:16:51,740
-So sweet.
-[Tashira] Yeah.
367
00:16:51,780 --> 00:16:54,325
-So loving.
-[Dru] Yeah.
368
00:16:54,742 --> 00:16:58,246
She know-- I mean-- [clears
throat] I hope she knows now
369
00:16:58,288 --> 00:17:01,081
that I'd go to the end
of the Earth for her.
370
00:17:01,124 --> 00:17:02,041
[Orna] Mm-hm.
371
00:17:02,083 --> 00:17:03,042
You know?
372
00:17:03,084 --> 00:17:04,376
And...
373
00:17:04,418 --> 00:17:06,879
when we said
"goodnight" to each other,
374
00:17:06,921 --> 00:17:09,382
she asked for a hug and I
gave her a hug and she started
375
00:17:09,423 --> 00:17:13,052
hysterical
crying, and it took me,
376
00:17:13,094 --> 00:17:13,886
like, by surprise.
377
00:17:13,927 --> 00:17:16,889
Because you would think that it
would come when you'd give them
378
00:17:16,931 --> 00:17:18,474
-the gift.
-[Orna] Mm-hm.
379
00:17:18,683 --> 00:17:21,560
I've never heard her
cry the way she cried.
380
00:17:21,603 --> 00:17:24,064
As long as I've known her.
381
00:17:24,105 --> 00:17:28,067
You know, in my
head, I'm like...
382
00:17:28,108 --> 00:17:32,238
it was...not confused
but, like, wondering,
383
00:17:32,279 --> 00:17:34,741
like, what triggered that.
384
00:17:34,782 --> 00:17:37,911
You know, that--
that such strong cry.
385
00:17:37,952 --> 00:17:39,621
[Orna] Mm-hm.
386
00:17:39,913 --> 00:17:42,581
Like, I didn't-- I
didn't ask her about it,
387
00:17:42,624 --> 00:17:44,750
you know, I just let
her be in the moment.
388
00:17:44,792 --> 00:17:46,251
But do you understand?
389
00:17:46,294 --> 00:17:47,252
-[Dru] [laughing] No.
-No.
390
00:17:47,295 --> 00:17:49,088
-[laughs]
-No, you know?
391
00:17:49,129 --> 00:17:51,758
-Do you want to say?
-[Dru] I was just there for her.
392
00:17:51,799 --> 00:17:53,425
I don't know, it
just kind of just,
393
00:17:53,468 --> 00:17:55,260
like...
394
00:17:55,302 --> 00:17:56,930
happened.
395
00:17:56,971 --> 00:18:01,267
It's just that no one has ever
done anything like that for me,
396
00:18:01,308 --> 00:18:03,103
and I'm not
talking about, you know,
397
00:18:03,144 --> 00:18:08,148
spending the money or-- it's
just the gesture and what he had
398
00:18:08,732 --> 00:18:14,114
said about me having a hard year
[sniffles] and him going out to
399
00:18:15,615 --> 00:18:17,741
do something like that.
400
00:18:17,783 --> 00:18:22,747
At that moment, I
was so grateful and...
401
00:18:22,789 --> 00:18:25,125
I just didn't know how.
402
00:18:25,625 --> 00:18:30,421
So when he hugged me,
I just got hysterical.
403
00:18:30,462 --> 00:18:32,089
You know, I didn't
mean it to come out.
404
00:18:32,132 --> 00:18:33,423
-[laughs]
-No, no, no.
405
00:18:33,465 --> 00:18:34,925
And I wasn't
unhappy, it was just--
406
00:18:34,968 --> 00:18:37,470
-No, I know.
-Like, just this...
407
00:18:37,761 --> 00:18:40,431
whoosh of emotions.
408
00:18:40,472 --> 00:18:41,723
[Orna] Mm-hm.
409
00:18:41,766 --> 00:18:45,228
And when you say -- and you've
said that before -- that you
410
00:18:45,269 --> 00:18:47,062
don't know how--
411
00:18:47,105 --> 00:18:48,815
[Tashira] Yeah.
412
00:18:49,231 --> 00:18:52,067
Maybe you can say some more?
413
00:18:52,109 --> 00:18:57,156
I think it's like I don't know
how to accept the happiness,
414
00:18:57,781 --> 00:18:58,907
-maybe?
-Yeah.
415
00:18:58,950 --> 00:19:01,411
[Tashira] There's
always this...block,
416
00:19:01,452 --> 00:19:04,164
something that just stops me.
417
00:19:04,454 --> 00:19:06,499
And...
418
00:19:06,790 --> 00:19:09,918
I think maybe that's another
reason why I got hysterical,
419
00:19:09,961 --> 00:19:12,004
because...
420
00:19:12,212 --> 00:19:14,757
like, there was no
stopping the happiness.
421
00:19:14,798 --> 00:19:15,340
-[laughs]
-[Orna] Mm-hm.
422
00:19:15,340 --> 00:19:16,885
-You made your choice.
-[Tashira] Yeah.
423
00:19:16,925 --> 00:19:18,552
-That you're in.
-[Tashira] Yeah.
424
00:19:18,595 --> 00:19:20,137
Yeah.
425
00:19:21,096 --> 00:19:22,557
You know that, right?
426
00:19:22,598 --> 00:19:24,224
-Yeah.
-Oh, okay, just making sure.
427
00:19:24,267 --> 00:19:25,393
[laughs]
428
00:19:25,434 --> 00:19:27,228
You wouldn't have gotten no
puppy if I didn't know that.
429
00:19:27,269 --> 00:19:29,230
[both laugh]
430
00:19:29,271 --> 00:19:30,981
Yeah.
431
00:19:31,481 --> 00:19:35,403
How have you been
feeling with each other?
432
00:19:35,444 --> 00:19:36,237
[Dru] Good.
433
00:19:36,279 --> 00:19:38,239
I mean, me, personally, good.
434
00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:42,242
[Orna] What has made
for the most change?
435
00:19:42,285 --> 00:19:46,164
[Tashira] Being able to express
my feelings a little bit better.
436
00:19:46,455 --> 00:19:48,081
The vulnerability thing.
437
00:19:48,124 --> 00:19:49,209
[Orna] Mm-hm.
438
00:19:49,250 --> 00:19:51,294
The, um...
439
00:19:51,794 --> 00:19:57,133
realizing that the anger is
more of a cover-up for the hurt.
440
00:19:59,260 --> 00:19:59,760
[Orna] Yeah.
441
00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:04,223
And not wanting
to say, you know,
442
00:20:04,264 --> 00:20:06,558
and give that piece
to somebody and say,
443
00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,394
-"You hurt me."
-Yeah.
444
00:20:08,435 --> 00:20:09,394
[Dru] You know?
445
00:20:09,436 --> 00:20:10,563
Um...
446
00:20:10,605 --> 00:20:11,356
you know, it's crazy
'cause, you know,
447
00:20:11,356 --> 00:20:15,234
I always said I can trust
her, I never had a doubt in it,
448
00:20:15,276 --> 00:20:19,404
but did I trust her
enough to, you know,
449
00:20:19,446 --> 00:20:21,074
-be vulnerable?
-[Orna] Mm-hm.
450
00:20:21,115 --> 00:20:24,243
Which I didn't for a long time.
451
00:20:24,285 --> 00:20:29,081
Both of us had this big issue
of pride and being right and not
452
00:20:29,123 --> 00:20:33,086
truly expressing what we were
feeling at that exact moment.
453
00:20:33,126 --> 00:20:33,795
[Orna] Mm-hm.
454
00:20:33,795 --> 00:20:35,922
You know, whether it was
hurt or sad or disappointed or
455
00:20:35,963 --> 00:20:36,756
whatever.
456
00:20:36,756 --> 00:20:39,424
And I think yeah, that it was
definitely hard for the both of
457
00:20:39,467 --> 00:20:40,593
-us.
-Yeah.
458
00:20:40,635 --> 00:20:43,930
We still have our
mishaps here and there,
459
00:20:43,971 --> 00:20:44,931
um--
460
00:20:44,972 --> 00:20:45,722
-Yeah, but--
-But--
461
00:20:45,722 --> 00:20:49,602
I can't tell you the last time
we had an argument and we didn't
462
00:20:49,644 --> 00:20:51,270
talk for days.
463
00:20:51,311 --> 00:20:52,605
-That's so good.
-[Tashira] Yeah.
464
00:20:52,646 --> 00:20:54,147
Wow.
465
00:20:54,648 --> 00:20:56,401
So that's why I
don't want it to end.
466
00:20:56,442 --> 00:20:58,735
[laughs] I know, now I'm
thinking about it and I'm like
467
00:20:58,778 --> 00:20:59,529
"Shit." [laughs]
468
00:20:59,529 --> 00:21:02,240
Yeah, I know, we're talking
about all this progression....
469
00:21:02,281 --> 00:21:04,075
-Right.
-[Dru] And it's just like...
470
00:21:04,116 --> 00:21:05,076
[Tashira] We could do it.
471
00:21:05,117 --> 00:21:07,244
We'll be okay, we could do it.
472
00:21:07,287 --> 00:21:08,788
Yeah.
473
00:21:09,289 --> 00:21:11,415
If there was a year
to have therapy--
474
00:21:11,456 --> 00:21:12,583
-This was the year.
-This was the year.
475
00:21:12,625 --> 00:21:14,251
[both laugh]
476
00:21:14,293 --> 00:21:16,087
That was-- that
was not in the plan.
477
00:21:16,128 --> 00:21:17,754
[laughter]
478
00:21:17,797 --> 00:21:19,589
You take good
care of each other.
479
00:21:19,632 --> 00:21:20,758
[Tashira] We will.
480
00:21:20,799 --> 00:21:22,760
The kids, the cats, the dogs.
481
00:21:22,801 --> 00:21:24,595
-[both laugh]
-You too. [laughs]
482
00:21:24,636 --> 00:21:26,596
[Orna] [laughs] Yes, exactly.
483
00:21:26,638 --> 00:21:28,098
So you wanna meet the pup?
484
00:21:28,141 --> 00:21:29,392
[Orna] Yeah. [all laugh]
485
00:21:29,433 --> 00:21:30,393
Yes, I do.
486
00:21:30,434 --> 00:21:32,228
Yes, yay.
487
00:21:32,269 --> 00:21:33,980
All right, let's go.
488
00:21:36,606 --> 00:21:38,317
[gasps]
489
00:21:39,943 --> 00:21:43,071
Oh my God, this
is ridiculously cute.
490
00:21:43,114 --> 00:21:45,491
Oh, my God!
491
00:21:46,951 --> 00:21:48,493
[Tashira] Hey, Marley.
492
00:21:49,287 --> 00:21:50,829
Amazing.
493
00:21:51,122 --> 00:21:52,749
-But we're gonna see you again.
-Yes.
494
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:53,750
[Orna] Yeah.
495
00:21:53,790 --> 00:21:54,584
Right?
496
00:21:54,625 --> 00:21:55,751
Uh, commencement.
497
00:21:55,792 --> 00:21:58,253
The end of one thing,
the beginning of another.
498
00:21:58,296 --> 00:21:59,922
[laughs]
499
00:21:59,963 --> 00:22:01,965
I am sad.
500
00:22:03,092 --> 00:22:04,801
[laughs]
501
00:22:05,761 --> 00:22:07,055
Well, huge hugs.
502
00:22:07,096 --> 00:22:09,389
We really
genuinely appreciate it.
503
00:22:09,432 --> 00:22:10,558
Yeah.
504
00:22:10,599 --> 00:22:12,977
It's-- it's meant
the world to us.
505
00:22:13,935 --> 00:22:15,063
Thank you.
506
00:22:15,104 --> 00:22:17,147
-Thank you so much.
-Thank you, thank you.
507
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,484
[Orna VO] It's really--
it's hard to let them go.
508
00:22:20,777 --> 00:22:22,737
[Michal] All right,
thank you so much.
509
00:22:22,779 --> 00:22:24,654
[Orna VO] I think about them.
510
00:22:24,946 --> 00:22:27,157
Like, what's gonna happen?
511
00:22:27,450 --> 00:22:29,827
How are they gonna be?
512
00:22:30,036 --> 00:22:32,246
I can imagine, like, the new
kind of conflict that's gonna
513
00:22:32,288 --> 00:22:33,080
come up.
514
00:22:33,122 --> 00:22:33,705
What are they gonna do?
515
00:22:33,705 --> 00:22:36,375
Are they gonna mess up
the work we've done?
516
00:22:36,416 --> 00:22:38,961
I'm like, "Don't
mess it up!" [laughs]
517
00:22:41,923 --> 00:22:43,883
A soundless sigh
and helpless cry
518
00:22:43,924 --> 00:22:47,470
Guide you through
the darkness here
519
00:22:48,179 --> 00:22:53,643
Everybody knows we arm
our hearts to make it strong
520
00:22:56,770 --> 00:23:01,817
A lonely boy, lonely girl,
looking for a someone who cares
521
00:23:03,610 --> 00:23:08,616
Everybody knows we arm
our hearts so we can...
522
00:23:09,116 --> 00:23:11,743
[man over speaker]
Welcome to Rome.
523
00:23:11,786 --> 00:23:15,414
Letting go,
letting go, letting go
524
00:23:15,455 --> 00:23:19,085
There are so many
heartaches but how do we heal?
525
00:23:19,126 --> 00:23:23,088
Letting go,
letting go, letting go
526
00:23:23,131 --> 00:23:26,592
The fear of our
weakness always returns
527
00:23:26,634 --> 00:23:30,930
Letting go,
letting go, letting go...
528
00:23:30,971 --> 00:23:34,267
[chatter and laughter]
529
00:23:34,308 --> 00:23:36,935
[woman] Whoo! [laughs]
530
00:23:36,978 --> 00:23:39,646
Show me the ring, girl!
531
00:23:41,941 --> 00:23:43,733
Covered lies, [inaudible] eyes
532
00:23:43,776 --> 00:23:47,613
Blinded by the
fools we observe
533
00:23:48,114 --> 00:23:53,452
Everybody knows we arm
our hearts to make it strong
534
00:23:56,955 --> 00:24:01,961
Meaningful, undeniable
is that we can love
535
00:24:03,296 --> 00:24:08,300
Then why are we bruising
all we have to arm our hearts?
536
00:24:11,471 --> 00:24:15,098
Letting go,
letting go, letting go
537
00:24:15,141 --> 00:24:18,894
There are so many
heartaches but how do we heal?
538
00:24:18,935 --> 00:24:22,898
Letting go,
letting go, letting go
539
00:24:22,940 --> 00:24:26,402
The fear of our
weakness always returns
540
00:24:26,443 --> 00:24:30,239
Letting go,
letting go, letting go
541
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:35,161
We all harden our
feelings afraid of the end
542
00:24:37,121 --> 00:24:40,750
Afraid of being hurt
543
00:24:40,790 --> 00:24:44,837
Afraid of being hurt
544
00:24:49,090 --> 00:24:52,552
Letting go,
letting go, letting go
545
00:24:52,595 --> 00:24:56,389
There are so many
heartaches but how do we heal?
546
00:24:56,432 --> 00:25:00,644
Letting go,
letting go, letting go
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