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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,003 --> 00:00:06,803 It's December 1926. 2 00:00:09,003 --> 00:00:12,563 Agatha Christie has crashed her car, 3 00:00:12,563 --> 00:00:17,723 leaving it balanced precariously over a chalk quarry. 4 00:00:35,883 --> 00:00:38,603 Then she vanishes, 5 00:00:38,603 --> 00:00:44,283 triggering the biggest manhunt yet seen in Britain. 6 00:00:47,683 --> 00:00:53,523 At 36, Agatha Christie was a successful detective novelist, 7 00:00:53,523 --> 00:00:57,323 seemingly happily married, with a young daughter at home. 8 00:00:57,323 --> 00:01:00,643 Was this crisis, or conspiracy? 9 00:01:00,643 --> 00:01:06,603 Agatha's disappearance in 1926 is usually seen as this great 10 00:01:06,603 --> 00:01:09,683 central mystery in her life. 11 00:01:09,683 --> 00:01:15,083 I think it's even more interesting to see the effect it had. 12 00:01:15,083 --> 00:01:19,003 I think that the trauma of 1926 turned 13 00:01:19,003 --> 00:01:24,323 Agatha Christie into the great woman that she became. 14 00:01:27,923 --> 00:01:33,003 I've been fascinated by Agatha Christie since I was a child 15 00:01:33,003 --> 00:01:36,763 and I think there's much more to this enigmatic 16 00:01:36,763 --> 00:01:40,403 and elusive novelist than meets the eye. 17 00:01:40,403 --> 00:01:44,363 She subverts what we think we want and gives us something 18 00:01:44,363 --> 00:01:46,603 so much more interesting. 19 00:01:46,603 --> 00:01:50,763 I'm investigating the mysterious case of Agatha Christie. 20 00:01:50,763 --> 00:01:54,563 How did this woman, who grew up a Victorian, 21 00:01:54,563 --> 00:01:58,563 challenge the expectations of her age? 22 00:01:58,563 --> 00:02:01,523 The doctor, the judge, the general... 23 00:02:01,523 --> 00:02:05,443 These people, they're just not who you think they are. 24 00:02:05,443 --> 00:02:10,563 Let's go! How did her own dark psychology, her anxieties 25 00:02:10,563 --> 00:02:13,323 and experiences fuel her writing? 26 00:02:14,523 --> 00:02:19,083 What made this woman the best-selling novelist in the world? 27 00:02:19,083 --> 00:02:23,963 In this series, I want to uncover the true Agatha Christie. 28 00:02:23,963 --> 00:02:28,603 I want to explore how the changes of her lifetime affected 29 00:02:28,603 --> 00:02:31,323 her writing, and I want to show you 30 00:02:31,323 --> 00:02:36,603 that she was a pioneering, radical writer and woman. 31 00:02:43,643 --> 00:02:48,243 OK, I think that we're nearly there. Ooh, nettles! Ouch! 32 00:02:48,243 --> 00:02:49,723 Ah! 33 00:02:51,443 --> 00:02:57,163 OK... It must be just here. Surely, we must be nearly there. 34 00:02:59,243 --> 00:03:01,363 Oh, gosh! 35 00:03:01,363 --> 00:03:05,163 Ooh! I'm not going to go too near the edge. 36 00:03:05,163 --> 00:03:08,843 That is the edge of the cliff and it really is a cliff. 37 00:03:11,523 --> 00:03:16,883 Very interesting. You've got to imagine fewer trees in 1926 38 00:03:16,883 --> 00:03:21,723 and from the maps I've looked at and the accounts I've read, 39 00:03:21,723 --> 00:03:24,363 I'm pretty confident that her car came off the road 40 00:03:24,363 --> 00:03:28,883 and then it rolled down across much more open downlands... 41 00:03:28,883 --> 00:03:33,563 ..landscape then, and then it got caught in bushes. 42 00:03:33,563 --> 00:03:37,003 There's really clear descriptions of the car being caught in a bush 43 00:03:37,003 --> 00:03:40,323 and what you don't realise till you get here is that, below, 44 00:03:40,323 --> 00:03:43,043 would have been this perilous drop. 45 00:03:43,043 --> 00:03:45,843 I mean, a life-ending drop, if a car had gone over there. 46 00:03:49,763 --> 00:03:53,363 Things would only have had to have been very slightly different, 47 00:03:53,363 --> 00:03:55,403 you know, for the bush to have given way, 48 00:03:55,403 --> 00:03:59,003 the car would have gone over and she would have been dead. 49 00:03:59,003 --> 00:04:02,723 But when the police found the car the next morning, 50 00:04:02,723 --> 00:04:07,723 its lights still blazing, its owner had completely disappeared. 51 00:04:07,723 --> 00:04:10,203 Could it be suicide? 52 00:04:10,203 --> 00:04:15,283 Or daring hoax? Or was she the victim of foul play? 53 00:04:16,963 --> 00:04:20,563 This is the police report for the incident. 54 00:04:20,563 --> 00:04:24,523 "The car was found with its bonnet buried in the bushes, 55 00:04:24,523 --> 00:04:26,483 "as if it had got out of control. 56 00:04:26,483 --> 00:04:30,083 "In the car was found a fur coat..." 57 00:04:30,083 --> 00:04:33,843 Now, why wasn't she wearing this, if the night was so cold? 58 00:04:33,843 --> 00:04:39,363 "..a dressing case and a driving licence..." That's a good clue. 59 00:04:39,363 --> 00:04:43,043 "..indicating that the owner was Mrs Agatha Christie." 60 00:04:46,723 --> 00:04:50,563 A famous detective novelist vanished, 61 00:04:50,563 --> 00:04:56,523 maybe even murdered, or kidnapped, and a series of tantalising clues. 62 00:04:56,523 --> 00:05:00,603 There were all the ingredients of the perfect tabloid story 63 00:05:00,603 --> 00:05:03,363 and the press went to town. 64 00:05:03,363 --> 00:05:06,723 They found the ideal cast of characters. 65 00:05:06,723 --> 00:05:11,603 An attractive woman, of course, but also Rosalind, 66 00:05:11,603 --> 00:05:15,323 the seven-year-old daughter she left behind. 67 00:05:15,323 --> 00:05:19,763 Archie, the handsome husband who seemed to have something to hide, 68 00:05:19,763 --> 00:05:25,643 and pretty young Nancy Neele, who'd turn out to be Archie's lover. 69 00:05:25,643 --> 00:05:30,723 The press turned the story into a sensation. 70 00:05:30,723 --> 00:05:34,203 Radio was in its infancy, there was no television, 71 00:05:34,203 --> 00:05:36,803 and national newspapers were booming. 72 00:05:36,803 --> 00:05:39,163 With a new development each day, 73 00:05:39,163 --> 00:05:43,603 this thrilling story would sell more papers. 74 00:05:49,523 --> 00:05:51,923 The Surrey Police played along. 75 00:05:51,923 --> 00:05:57,363 They were convinced that Agatha would be found dead on their patch. 76 00:05:57,363 --> 00:06:02,083 Special attention was paid to the nearby Silent Pool, 77 00:06:02,083 --> 00:06:05,163 already the sight of a legendary drowning 78 00:06:05,163 --> 00:06:09,243 and just the sort of place to find a body caught in the weeds. 79 00:06:09,243 --> 00:06:12,723 You know, as I look through these photos from the search, 80 00:06:12,723 --> 00:06:17,563 I have a sneaking suspicion that everybody was actually rather 81 00:06:17,563 --> 00:06:19,043 enjoying themselves. 82 00:06:21,163 --> 00:06:24,923 Look at these gentlemen, who are very performatively dragging a pond. 83 00:06:24,923 --> 00:06:27,923 They definitely staged that for the newspaper cameras. 84 00:06:27,923 --> 00:06:30,563 It's all quite macho. And this coach load of searchers here, 85 00:06:30,563 --> 00:06:33,003 they're taking a break from searching and they are... 86 00:06:33,003 --> 00:06:35,083 I think they're enjoying a packed lunch. 87 00:06:36,843 --> 00:06:41,403 And these ones here were re-staging the scene of the crime. 88 00:06:41,403 --> 00:06:44,363 It's 1920s Crimewatch. But do you know what? 89 00:06:44,363 --> 00:06:46,483 I can't really blame the policemen 90 00:06:46,483 --> 00:06:49,323 and all of these kind searching people. 91 00:06:49,323 --> 00:06:52,803 Under the circumstances, I can see exactly why they felt that they 92 00:06:52,803 --> 00:06:56,243 were living inside the world of a detective story. 93 00:07:00,923 --> 00:07:06,563 The police, press and public went into a detection frenzy. 94 00:07:06,563 --> 00:07:11,843 There were dedicated front pages day after day. 95 00:07:11,843 --> 00:07:15,723 Calls to action mustered thousands of volunteers. 96 00:07:16,883 --> 00:07:20,643 Bloodhounds sniffed the countryside. 97 00:07:20,643 --> 00:07:23,523 Aeroplanes joined the hunt. 98 00:07:23,523 --> 00:07:28,203 Even Sherlock Holmes author Sir Arthur Conan Doyle got involved. 99 00:07:28,203 --> 00:07:34,003 He hired a psychic to connect with Agatha via one of her gloves. 100 00:07:34,003 --> 00:07:39,083 How could a woman whose face was in every newspaper simply disappear? 101 00:07:43,723 --> 00:07:49,683 There were 11 days full of speculation and scandal. 102 00:07:49,683 --> 00:07:54,963 Then a lead came in from somewhere totally unexpected. 103 00:07:54,963 --> 00:07:57,283 In the elegant spa town of Harrogate, 104 00:07:57,283 --> 00:08:02,323 230 miles north of where Agatha had disappeared, a woman 105 00:08:02,323 --> 00:08:07,603 answering Agatha's description was spotted at the Hydropathic Hotel. 106 00:08:11,563 --> 00:08:15,803 Two members of the hotel's dance band tipped off the police. 107 00:08:18,523 --> 00:08:22,563 So, Archie took the train up to Harrogate to see if the woman 108 00:08:22,563 --> 00:08:28,923 who'd checked in as Teresa Neele was really his missing wife. 109 00:08:30,803 --> 00:08:32,803 When Archie arrived at the hotel, 110 00:08:32,803 --> 00:08:37,563 he and a policeman stationed themselves by the lift. 111 00:08:37,563 --> 00:08:40,883 They were waiting for when the mystery woman would come down 112 00:08:40,883 --> 00:08:43,443 and go through to the dining room. 113 00:08:43,443 --> 00:08:49,203 Time went by, other guests came through, the suspense mounted. 114 00:08:54,643 --> 00:08:59,723 Then, finally, the lift doors opened and...there she was. 115 00:08:59,723 --> 00:09:02,683 Yes, it was Agatha. 116 00:09:02,683 --> 00:09:05,363 She'd been found. 117 00:09:09,083 --> 00:09:13,163 But where was the dramatic reunion? 118 00:09:13,163 --> 00:09:17,243 Where were the tears and recriminations? 119 00:09:17,243 --> 00:09:19,643 Agatha greeted Archie 120 00:09:19,643 --> 00:09:23,843 and they walked quietly off to the hotel restaurant. 121 00:09:26,163 --> 00:09:30,203 To the 25 or so reporters outside the hotel, though, 122 00:09:30,203 --> 00:09:35,083 the mystery thickened because Agatha, sitting here, 123 00:09:35,083 --> 00:09:39,003 calmly having her dinner, didn't look like they expected. 124 00:09:39,003 --> 00:09:42,963 She wasn't "distressed", she didn't seem "broken", 125 00:09:42,963 --> 00:09:46,483 she didn't seem "guilty" about all this trouble she'd caused. 126 00:09:46,483 --> 00:09:48,283 Answers were required. 127 00:09:48,283 --> 00:09:50,963 And Archie had answers. 128 00:09:50,963 --> 00:09:55,763 He announced to the journalists that Agatha had lost her memory. 129 00:09:57,043 --> 00:10:02,723 The press wanted details. They wanted explanations. 130 00:10:02,723 --> 00:10:07,443 Now, they were told Agatha didn't remember the car accident. 131 00:10:07,443 --> 00:10:10,283 She didn't know how she got to Harrogate. 132 00:10:10,283 --> 00:10:13,723 She definitely couldn't explain why she'd checked into the hotel 133 00:10:13,723 --> 00:10:18,043 under her husband's mistress's surname. 134 00:10:19,443 --> 00:10:22,603 She'd even forgotten who she was. 135 00:10:22,603 --> 00:10:27,923 To the journalists, though, this sounded almost unbelievable, 136 00:10:27,923 --> 00:10:29,963 a totally lame excuse. 137 00:10:29,963 --> 00:10:34,483 What kind of self-respecting detective novelist would have 138 00:10:34,483 --> 00:10:38,003 come up with a plot twist as bad as that?! 139 00:10:38,003 --> 00:10:43,363 It felt like she'd made fools of them all. 140 00:10:43,363 --> 00:10:48,043 They wanted motives, so they invented them. 141 00:10:48,043 --> 00:10:53,083 It was a publicity stunt. After all, while she was missing, 142 00:10:53,083 --> 00:10:56,843 Agatha's books had sold out across Britain. 143 00:10:56,843 --> 00:11:03,243 Or perhaps it was a twisted hoax to punish her unfaithful husband. 144 00:11:03,243 --> 00:11:07,403 Hardly anyone believed that Agatha was telling the truth. 145 00:11:07,403 --> 00:11:08,643 But, of course, 146 00:11:08,643 --> 00:11:12,483 the journalists didn't know what had happened in the months before. 147 00:11:14,083 --> 00:11:18,563 I think we should consider Agatha's own testimony for what 148 00:11:18,563 --> 00:11:21,283 she experienced in 1926. 149 00:11:22,403 --> 00:11:25,963 Bad things had been happening to her that year. 150 00:11:25,963 --> 00:11:30,003 Her mother had died, she was under pressure from her work. 151 00:11:30,003 --> 00:11:36,083 She reports a whole range of symptoms - forgetfulness, 152 00:11:36,083 --> 00:11:39,643 tearfulness, insomnia. 153 00:11:39,643 --> 00:11:42,483 In August, so before she disappeared, 154 00:11:42,483 --> 00:11:46,123 a gossip columnist reported that she'd had a breakdown. 155 00:11:49,723 --> 00:11:54,283 On top of all that, just before Agatha disappeared, 156 00:11:54,283 --> 00:11:57,883 Archie had told her he was leaving her for another woman. 157 00:11:58,963 --> 00:12:04,803 Not just any woman. Nancy Neele was a friend of Agatha's. 158 00:12:04,803 --> 00:12:08,723 She was nine years younger, outgoing and sporty. 159 00:12:08,723 --> 00:12:13,043 Like Archie, she was a keen golfer. She'd even stayed at their house 160 00:12:13,043 --> 00:12:15,763 while visiting the local golf course. 161 00:12:15,763 --> 00:12:20,523 No surprise, then, that Agatha's mental health was suffering. 162 00:12:20,523 --> 00:12:25,803 But it's still a big leap from there to forgetting who you are. 163 00:12:25,803 --> 00:12:30,563 I need to understand if Agatha could really have had amnesia. 164 00:12:33,883 --> 00:12:36,243 I've come to Harrogate's Royal Baths, 165 00:12:36,243 --> 00:12:40,003 where she took regular therapeutic treatments during her stay. 166 00:12:41,403 --> 00:12:43,683 This is quite the place, isn't it? 167 00:12:43,683 --> 00:12:45,963 Somewhere I've always wanted to come. 168 00:12:45,963 --> 00:12:51,403 I'm hoping Professor Edgar Jones can suggest a modern medical diagnosis. 169 00:12:53,043 --> 00:12:57,403 Edgar, can I ask you, how would you describe your profession? 170 00:12:57,403 --> 00:12:59,843 Technically, I'm a clinical psychopathologist 171 00:12:59,843 --> 00:13:02,883 and psychotherapist, but I'm interested particularly in people 172 00:13:02,883 --> 00:13:05,523 who've been through stressful situations, 173 00:13:05,523 --> 00:13:08,843 such as soldiers in war, people who've got PTSD. 174 00:13:08,843 --> 00:13:14,243 I can see some connections to Agatha's trauma here. 175 00:13:14,243 --> 00:13:17,163 At the time, a lot of people believed that she was faking 176 00:13:17,163 --> 00:13:20,403 her condition, cos she did things like stay at a hotel, 177 00:13:20,403 --> 00:13:24,163 eat dinner, socialise with other guests. 178 00:13:24,163 --> 00:13:28,163 How can you do all of that if you've "lost your memory"? 179 00:13:29,403 --> 00:13:33,003 Well, it is consistent with the diagnosis of fugue. 180 00:13:33,003 --> 00:13:35,563 Fugue, tell me a bit more about fugue. 181 00:13:35,563 --> 00:13:37,363 That means a flight, doesn't it? 182 00:13:37,363 --> 00:13:41,763 Fugue is a very rare state, but it has the purpose of extracting 183 00:13:41,763 --> 00:13:45,323 a person from a stressful or intolerable situation. 184 00:13:45,323 --> 00:13:48,723 So you go from being in an area where you're uncomfortable, 185 00:13:48,723 --> 00:13:52,203 you can't see a future, into a new identity with a new role 186 00:13:52,203 --> 00:13:56,083 in a new place. I see it as a kind of flight into health. 187 00:13:56,083 --> 00:13:58,243 A flight into health is an interesting phrase, 188 00:13:58,243 --> 00:14:01,203 seeing as we're sitting in a health facility, 189 00:14:01,203 --> 00:14:04,083 which would explain why she'd come to Harrogate, right? 190 00:14:04,083 --> 00:14:05,483 It could well do. 191 00:14:05,483 --> 00:14:09,043 Coming to Harrogate would mean she's no longer reminded of 192 00:14:09,043 --> 00:14:11,243 things around her, where she lives, 193 00:14:11,243 --> 00:14:13,803 her husband who's threatening divorce, 194 00:14:13,803 --> 00:14:15,163 the death of her mother, 195 00:14:15,163 --> 00:14:18,283 and I do wonder, because when she checks into the hotel, 196 00:14:18,283 --> 00:14:19,843 she calls herself Teresa Neele, 197 00:14:19,843 --> 00:14:24,563 and Neele is of course the name of her husband's love interest. 198 00:14:24,563 --> 00:14:28,443 It's not that she's playing a part, she's not being an actress. 199 00:14:28,443 --> 00:14:32,203 It's almost, in her mind, she's recreated herself in a happy place, 200 00:14:32,203 --> 00:14:36,003 in the identity of the woman who's threatening her very marriage. 201 00:14:36,003 --> 00:14:40,323 And, Edgar, have you ever met people who've experienced this 202 00:14:40,323 --> 00:14:43,163 fugue state? Fugue state is very rare, 203 00:14:43,163 --> 00:14:47,283 so in a period of ten years of clinical work, on our ward, 204 00:14:47,283 --> 00:14:50,923 we had two women who fell into this fugue state 205 00:14:50,923 --> 00:14:54,763 and one man also who came pretty close to the diagnosis, 206 00:14:54,763 --> 00:14:56,363 so it is very unusual, 207 00:14:56,363 --> 00:14:59,083 because people are still able to function appropriately 208 00:14:59,083 --> 00:15:01,843 on a day-to-day basis, and it doesn't imply that this 209 00:15:01,843 --> 00:15:06,443 is acting or faking or some publicity stunt. 210 00:15:15,603 --> 00:15:16,883 Gosh! 211 00:15:16,883 --> 00:15:22,003 We're talking here about a really extreme, 212 00:15:22,003 --> 00:15:26,003 frightening medical condition. 213 00:15:26,003 --> 00:15:33,363 I'm persuaded by this argument about the fugue state and, in turn, 214 00:15:33,363 --> 00:15:35,203 it makes me... 215 00:15:35,203 --> 00:15:39,963 It makes me so furious that people then and people still today 216 00:15:39,963 --> 00:15:44,563 think that somehow she was making it up, that she was faking it. 217 00:15:46,643 --> 00:15:51,483 Seems to me that despite her fame and her success 218 00:15:51,483 --> 00:15:56,403 and all the good things in her life, there's a deep injustice here. 219 00:15:56,403 --> 00:16:01,443 Not only was Agatha bereaved, she'd lost her mother, not only had she 220 00:16:01,443 --> 00:16:04,203 lost her husband, not only was she ill, 221 00:16:04,203 --> 00:16:08,243 but that she was shamed for all of this 222 00:16:08,243 --> 00:16:12,123 in the newspapers...globally. 223 00:16:13,443 --> 00:16:15,243 Makes me angry. 224 00:16:17,363 --> 00:16:23,603 This ill, confused woman was now fair game for pursuit by the press. 225 00:16:25,243 --> 00:16:29,363 The day after Agatha was found, with crowds of photographers 226 00:16:29,363 --> 00:16:34,283 waiting outside the hotel, Archie needed somehow to get her away. 227 00:16:39,483 --> 00:16:43,443 But he was too clever to bring her out the front. 228 00:16:43,443 --> 00:16:47,003 The Christies came sneaking out the back, 229 00:16:47,003 --> 00:16:48,963 disappointing all the photographers, 230 00:16:48,963 --> 00:16:54,003 and this is the sort of behaviour that turns the press against you. 231 00:16:55,843 --> 00:16:59,403 The photographers soon caught up with them again. 232 00:16:59,403 --> 00:17:01,523 Agatha and Archie took a train, 233 00:17:01,523 --> 00:17:04,763 but tried to shake them off again by heading to Cheshire, 234 00:17:04,763 --> 00:17:10,523 home to Agatha's sister's family, in the splendid Abney Hall. 235 00:17:10,523 --> 00:17:17,003 Still, the reporters had hunted them down by the time they arrived. 236 00:17:17,003 --> 00:17:19,843 As the car came through these gates, 237 00:17:19,843 --> 00:17:24,363 Agatha's brother-in-law jumped out and slammed the gates closed. 238 00:17:24,363 --> 00:17:28,683 Those ravenous reporters were all trapped outside, 239 00:17:28,683 --> 00:17:31,363 but Agatha was now under siege. 240 00:17:42,763 --> 00:17:46,363 You might think this was a strange place to bring her, 241 00:17:46,363 --> 00:17:49,003 but it was her big sister's home 242 00:17:49,003 --> 00:17:52,403 and she'd been coming here since she was 12 years old. 243 00:18:01,043 --> 00:18:04,323 She couldn't go home to the house she shared with Archie - 244 00:18:04,323 --> 00:18:06,123 too traumatic. 245 00:18:06,123 --> 00:18:11,523 So, here she was, holed up amongst faded Victorian Gothic. 246 00:18:14,163 --> 00:18:18,283 Now, which room am I in? 247 00:18:18,283 --> 00:18:21,843 I think it's the dining room. Look, there's that door. 248 00:18:21,843 --> 00:18:28,323 And it had this massive table, like Count Dracula's Castle. 249 00:18:31,643 --> 00:18:35,723 Agatha had spent a lot of time here as a child 250 00:18:35,723 --> 00:18:41,043 and you can see that the melodramatic atmosphere of the place 251 00:18:41,043 --> 00:18:44,083 appealed to something in her imagination. 252 00:18:44,083 --> 00:18:46,563 It sparked many stories. 253 00:18:46,563 --> 00:18:50,203 Often when you're reading an Agatha Christie book, and there's 254 00:18:50,203 --> 00:18:56,243 some vast, gloomy mansion, you think, "Yep, that's Abney Hall." 255 00:18:56,243 --> 00:18:58,723 There's even a railway that goes round the park, 256 00:18:58,723 --> 00:19:01,923 just like in the story 4:50 From Paddington. 257 00:19:01,923 --> 00:19:03,963 Clearly, it was inspired by this place. 258 00:19:07,123 --> 00:19:11,803 In the book, Rutherford Hall is described as uncomfortable, 259 00:19:11,803 --> 00:19:14,203 cold and dark - 260 00:19:14,203 --> 00:19:19,563 the perfect setting for family intrigue and a couple of murders. 261 00:19:21,843 --> 00:19:25,363 But when she was on the run, when the press were after her, 262 00:19:25,363 --> 00:19:26,643 when she was ill, 263 00:19:26,643 --> 00:19:31,683 this place had the advantage of being familiar to her, but it was 264 00:19:31,683 --> 00:19:37,403 also a place that, my goodness, has a sort of morbid atmosphere to it. 265 00:19:39,603 --> 00:19:43,243 Not sure it was the best place for her to be, quite honestly. 266 00:19:45,163 --> 00:19:47,323 Doctors arrived 267 00:19:47,323 --> 00:19:52,563 and announced that her amnesia was unquestionably genuine. 268 00:19:52,563 --> 00:19:58,203 Archie told reporters that Agatha now knew who he was, but had 269 00:19:58,203 --> 00:20:04,083 lost three years of her life and still didn't recognise her daughter. 270 00:20:04,083 --> 00:20:06,563 But they didn't believe him. 271 00:20:06,563 --> 00:20:11,843 Questions were raised in Parliament about the cost of the police search. 272 00:20:11,843 --> 00:20:15,163 There were calls for the Christies to pay the money back. 273 00:20:17,723 --> 00:20:22,963 On 18th December, Archie left Abney. Agatha stayed on. 274 00:20:29,043 --> 00:20:33,283 In early 1927, Agatha's sister persuaded her to take 275 00:20:33,283 --> 00:20:35,923 a flat in London in search of a cure. 276 00:20:38,123 --> 00:20:43,203 Next comes a deeply mysterious part of Agatha's life. 277 00:20:43,203 --> 00:20:46,803 There are hints that she came for psychiatric treatment 278 00:20:46,803 --> 00:20:48,323 here in Harley Street, 279 00:20:48,323 --> 00:20:51,323 where the best and the most expensive doctors are to be found. 280 00:20:51,323 --> 00:20:54,403 But there aren't any records of her treatment. 281 00:20:54,403 --> 00:20:56,723 I'd love to know more. 282 00:20:56,723 --> 00:21:00,723 I want to find out who might have treated Agatha 283 00:21:00,723 --> 00:21:03,723 and what sort of treatment she received. 284 00:21:03,723 --> 00:21:07,603 Hello. Will you be Claire? I'm Claire. 285 00:21:07,603 --> 00:21:10,523 I've enlisted the help of Dr Claire Hilton, 286 00:21:10,523 --> 00:21:14,563 historian in residence at the Royal College of Psychiatrists. 287 00:21:14,563 --> 00:21:19,403 This is the journal of the Royal Medico-Psychological Association, 288 00:21:19,403 --> 00:21:23,803 which includes a list of members 289 00:21:23,803 --> 00:21:27,443 and where they worked. Ah! 290 00:21:27,443 --> 00:21:32,043 Just seven psychiatrists had Harley Street addresses at the time 291 00:21:32,043 --> 00:21:36,323 and Claire thinks she's found the most likely candidate. 292 00:21:36,323 --> 00:21:39,883 And here we've got William Brown, 293 00:21:39,883 --> 00:21:42,883 at number 88 Harley Street. Yes. 294 00:21:42,883 --> 00:21:46,683 Was this Dr William Brown a public figure? Was he famous? 295 00:21:46,683 --> 00:21:52,883 He gave public lectures and in 1925, 296 00:21:52,883 --> 00:21:57,803 the Guardian and the Telegraph reported on some of his. 297 00:21:57,803 --> 00:22:00,843 "Loss Of Memory, How To Cure It, Dr William Brown." 298 00:22:00,843 --> 00:22:05,403 It says here, "He knew that a wave of the hand would immediately 299 00:22:05,403 --> 00:22:08,283 "bring memory back." Sounds like our man. 300 00:22:08,283 --> 00:22:10,843 Sounds like it. 301 00:22:10,843 --> 00:22:14,683 What sort of treatment did this William Brown give to people? 302 00:22:14,683 --> 00:22:17,963 He was very keen on hypnosis. 303 00:22:17,963 --> 00:22:21,243 It says here that, "During the war, he had treated 304 00:22:21,243 --> 00:22:26,163 "over 600 cases of loss of memory in this way with invariable success." 305 00:22:28,563 --> 00:22:35,563 The first mental casualties of World War I appeared in 1914, exhibiting 306 00:22:35,563 --> 00:22:42,323 perplexing symptoms, like trembling, paralysis, speech disorders, 307 00:22:42,323 --> 00:22:45,323 confusion and memory problems. 308 00:22:45,323 --> 00:22:49,803 Originally, it was thought vibrations from shell explosions 309 00:22:49,803 --> 00:22:53,923 were to blame and the phrase "shellshock" appeared. 310 00:22:53,923 --> 00:22:55,603 By the end of the war, 311 00:22:55,603 --> 00:23:02,323 80,000 such cases had passed through British Army medical facilities. 312 00:23:02,323 --> 00:23:06,483 William Brown was one of the young doctors brought in to treat them. 313 00:23:06,483 --> 00:23:12,443 He agreed with Freud that recovering repressed memories was key to 314 00:23:12,443 --> 00:23:17,643 his patients' health and in wartime, he needed a quick fix - hypnosis. 315 00:23:19,283 --> 00:23:23,763 Now, I'm curious to know what we can learn from Agatha's novels 316 00:23:23,763 --> 00:23:27,723 about this mystery and, in particular, there's this novel, 317 00:23:27,723 --> 00:23:31,803 Giant's Bread, it's not a detective novel, but in it, somebody loses 318 00:23:31,803 --> 00:23:36,163 their memory and they get it back again with the help of a doctor. 319 00:23:36,163 --> 00:23:40,403 "He's a tall, thin man with eyes that seemed to see right into 320 00:23:40,403 --> 00:23:46,243 "the centre of you," so somebody very charismatic and penetrating. 321 00:23:46,243 --> 00:23:50,723 And this doctor uses a technique that sounds a bit like hypnosis. 322 00:23:50,723 --> 00:23:55,923 "The doctor touched his forehead and his limbs, told him that he was 323 00:23:55,923 --> 00:24:02,323 "resting, was rested and he would become strong and happy again..." 324 00:24:02,323 --> 00:24:06,643 And he begins to remember. Does that sound like Dr Brown to you? 325 00:24:06,643 --> 00:24:12,403 Well, what stands out is William Brown's comment that he would 326 00:24:12,403 --> 00:24:19,523 touch the forehead of his patients before they passed into this 327 00:24:19,523 --> 00:24:21,723 hypnotic state. That's fascinating, 328 00:24:21,723 --> 00:24:25,123 because this novel that describes someone being hypnotised to 329 00:24:25,123 --> 00:24:29,043 get their memories back, I've always suspected that Agatha was 330 00:24:29,043 --> 00:24:31,523 talking about her own experience here. 331 00:24:31,523 --> 00:24:34,723 I think you've brought some new evidence to the table here, 332 00:24:34,723 --> 00:24:37,323 that she really did experience illness in 1927 333 00:24:37,323 --> 00:24:39,803 and that she was treated for it, 334 00:24:39,803 --> 00:24:43,163 using up-to-date techniques of psychiatry and hypnosis. 335 00:24:43,163 --> 00:24:48,003 Is it possible, Claire, that he was "a tall, thin man with eyes 336 00:24:48,003 --> 00:24:53,203 "that seemed to see right into the centre of you," as Agatha says here? 337 00:24:53,203 --> 00:24:55,363 Well, we have found a picture of him. No! 338 00:24:55,363 --> 00:24:58,243 Don't tell me he was short and fat! Don't tell me that! 339 00:24:58,243 --> 00:25:01,443 Well, that is William Brown... He's tall. ..on the left. He's tall. 340 00:25:01,443 --> 00:25:02,523 He's thin. He's slim. 341 00:25:02,523 --> 00:25:07,203 What do you think of his eyes? Has he got a penetrating gaze? 342 00:25:07,203 --> 00:25:09,523 He knows what you're thinking, Claire! 343 00:25:09,523 --> 00:25:13,843 Probably. I think Agatha put him into her novel. 344 00:25:13,843 --> 00:25:16,803 It really wouldn't surprise me. 345 00:25:23,683 --> 00:25:28,603 Giant's Bread wasn't published under the name of Agatha Christie. 346 00:25:28,603 --> 00:25:32,843 She used a pseudonym, Mary Westmacott, 347 00:25:32,843 --> 00:25:39,563 and the true identity of Mary Westmacott was kept top secret. 348 00:25:39,563 --> 00:25:45,363 And when she was writing in the privacy of her pseudonym, 349 00:25:45,363 --> 00:25:52,483 Mary Westmacott, I think that Agatha shows us who she really was and, 350 00:25:52,483 --> 00:25:57,883 to me, that's a person who's clearly had the insights of psychotherapy. 351 00:25:57,883 --> 00:26:01,043 And this is a whole level of understanding that's been missed 352 00:26:01,043 --> 00:26:07,523 by all the people who don't believe that in 1926, Agatha really was ill. 353 00:26:09,563 --> 00:26:14,283 She went on to write five more Mary Westmacott books. 354 00:26:14,283 --> 00:26:17,083 They're almost like a form of therapy themselves, 355 00:26:17,083 --> 00:26:19,883 a place to explore her true feelings, 356 00:26:19,883 --> 00:26:25,563 which means these books are vital for understanding the real Agatha. 357 00:26:25,563 --> 00:26:27,043 They didn't sell well, 358 00:26:27,043 --> 00:26:32,083 though, without the murders or the Agatha Christie name. 359 00:26:32,083 --> 00:26:36,603 Now, these Mary Westmacott novels have often been 360 00:26:36,603 --> 00:26:41,683 written off as romances, you know, woman-type stuff, 361 00:26:41,683 --> 00:26:43,723 but I don't think that's fair. 362 00:26:43,723 --> 00:26:47,603 They're quite serious studies of human nature. 363 00:26:47,603 --> 00:26:53,323 And I think that this new wisdom, this new maturity, 364 00:26:53,323 --> 00:26:56,923 comes into her detective fiction too. 365 00:26:56,923 --> 00:26:59,763 As time goes on, Poirot, for example, 366 00:26:59,763 --> 00:27:01,723 changes the way that he works. 367 00:27:01,723 --> 00:27:04,923 He gets less interested in physical clues 368 00:27:04,923 --> 00:27:11,203 and more interested in what we might call psychological profiling. 369 00:27:11,203 --> 00:27:16,483 He says here he's not interested in "cigarette ash or fingerprints", 370 00:27:16,483 --> 00:27:21,723 he says, "It is the psychology I seek." 371 00:27:21,723 --> 00:27:27,083 He wants to read the secrets of the heart. 372 00:27:27,083 --> 00:27:30,803 I believe that we wouldn't have had Agatha's most famous 373 00:27:30,803 --> 00:27:34,443 detective novels without her moment of crisis, 374 00:27:34,443 --> 00:27:38,683 and in particular, the psychotherapy that followed. 375 00:27:48,843 --> 00:27:51,683 We've reached 1928. 376 00:27:53,963 --> 00:27:59,163 Agatha's therapy was over, but she couldn't move on just yet. 377 00:28:01,523 --> 00:28:04,523 Archie wanted to marry his lover, Nancy Neele, 378 00:28:04,523 --> 00:28:08,723 and Agatha, who didn't even want a divorce, 379 00:28:08,723 --> 00:28:15,283 was forced to collude in a trick to protect Nancy's reputation. 380 00:28:15,283 --> 00:28:18,723 Archie committed a kind of fake adultery. 381 00:28:18,723 --> 00:28:24,923 He came here to the Grosvenor Hotel, Victoria, and "committed adultery 382 00:28:24,923 --> 00:28:27,803 "with a woman", except he didn't really. 383 00:28:27,803 --> 00:28:34,123 He paid a waiter to say that he'd seen Archie in bed with this woman. 384 00:28:34,123 --> 00:28:38,723 All this was presented in court and for Agatha, 385 00:28:38,723 --> 00:28:40,723 there were two bad things here. 386 00:28:40,723 --> 00:28:44,563 Firstly, this was all in public, it was in the High Court. 387 00:28:44,563 --> 00:28:47,883 Secondly, she had to perjure herself. 388 00:28:47,883 --> 00:28:50,523 She had to lie and say, yes, 389 00:28:50,523 --> 00:28:52,763 she believed that this had really happened. 390 00:28:55,243 --> 00:28:57,923 Nancy's name was kept out of the proceedings 391 00:28:57,923 --> 00:29:01,123 and you get a sense of how Agatha felt about this 392 00:29:01,123 --> 00:29:04,683 because in another of her Mary Westmacott books, 393 00:29:04,683 --> 00:29:11,003 the heroine tells us, if she took another woman's husband, she says, 394 00:29:11,003 --> 00:29:16,363 "I'd do it honestly. I'd not skulk in the shadow 395 00:29:16,363 --> 00:29:18,603 "and let someone else do the dirty work." 396 00:29:23,243 --> 00:29:27,843 Agatha, of course, didn't have the luxury of hiding in the shadows, 397 00:29:27,843 --> 00:29:31,603 and the divorce meant, inevitably, 398 00:29:31,603 --> 00:29:36,523 another airing in the newspapers for the story of her disappearance. 399 00:29:39,683 --> 00:29:41,243 Even after Agatha was found, 400 00:29:41,243 --> 00:29:44,243 you don't hear her voice in the press coverage. 401 00:29:44,243 --> 00:29:47,723 She'd clearly decided not to give any interviews. 402 00:29:47,723 --> 00:29:52,363 And in lots of books you'll read about Agatha Christie, 403 00:29:52,363 --> 00:29:55,563 it's said that she never spoke again about her disappearance, 404 00:29:55,563 --> 00:30:01,363 that she kept silent for the rest of her life. Now, that's not true. 405 00:30:01,363 --> 00:30:04,643 It's almost comically untrue 406 00:30:04,643 --> 00:30:09,963 because in 1928, with the divorce under way, 407 00:30:09,963 --> 00:30:14,363 she decided to take back control of her own story. 408 00:30:14,363 --> 00:30:16,043 She gave a really long, 409 00:30:16,043 --> 00:30:20,363 really detailed description about exactly what had happened to her. 410 00:30:21,843 --> 00:30:27,163 In an exclusive interview with the Daily Mail, Agatha directly 411 00:30:27,163 --> 00:30:31,123 confronted the rumours about her disappearance. 412 00:30:31,123 --> 00:30:34,323 And I don't think it's a coincidence that the article came out 413 00:30:34,323 --> 00:30:39,243 as she was trying to win custody of her daughter Rosalind. 414 00:30:39,243 --> 00:30:41,283 Ooh! Are these all your newspapers? 415 00:30:41,283 --> 00:30:44,003 Absolutely. Superb. A whole range of them here. Thank you. 416 00:30:44,003 --> 00:30:49,163 I want to discuss this article with an expert on '20s journalism. 417 00:30:49,163 --> 00:30:52,603 Why would she have chosen the Daily Mail for telling her 418 00:30:52,603 --> 00:30:53,963 side of the story? 419 00:30:53,963 --> 00:30:56,563 Well, that's the best-selling newspaper of the 1920s. 420 00:30:56,563 --> 00:30:58,763 It was still very much the market leader. 421 00:30:58,763 --> 00:31:01,763 And it would be read by more people than any other that she could 422 00:31:01,763 --> 00:31:04,683 have gone to, so I think the Daily Mail makes absolute sense. 423 00:31:04,683 --> 00:31:09,003 It's also very striking to me that it's in the first person. 424 00:31:09,003 --> 00:31:14,043 She gets to say exactly what she wants to say in her own words, 425 00:31:14,043 --> 00:31:15,763 purportedly. Absolutely. 426 00:31:15,763 --> 00:31:18,923 "In her own words" is one of THE catchphrases of this 427 00:31:18,923 --> 00:31:24,083 period of journalism, the idea that we're opening the curtain, 428 00:31:24,083 --> 00:31:28,163 we're sort of seeing right into someone's soul. 429 00:31:28,163 --> 00:31:32,403 In the interview, Agatha is frank about her feelings, 430 00:31:32,403 --> 00:31:34,123 her insomnia, 431 00:31:34,123 --> 00:31:39,963 the fact that she began to experience suicidal thoughts. 432 00:31:39,963 --> 00:31:42,603 She left home that night 433 00:31:42,603 --> 00:31:46,243 with the intention of doing something desperate. 434 00:31:46,243 --> 00:31:47,803 She says... 435 00:32:00,003 --> 00:32:03,283 Adrian, who's reading these papers that have got Agatha Christie 436 00:32:03,283 --> 00:32:05,523 plastered all over the front page? 437 00:32:05,523 --> 00:32:09,923 Well, they were designed to appeal to a broad middle-class audience, 438 00:32:09,923 --> 00:32:12,683 but we know that, really, the heart of the readership 439 00:32:12,683 --> 00:32:16,283 at this point were middle-class women. Is that the front page? 440 00:32:16,283 --> 00:32:18,883 That's the front page. It's all about dresses. Absolutely. 441 00:32:18,883 --> 00:32:21,603 And underwear. The Daily Mail knew that it could get 442 00:32:21,603 --> 00:32:24,083 huge amounts of money for this advertising, 443 00:32:24,083 --> 00:32:27,483 so the advertisers were pushing for the female readers 444 00:32:27,483 --> 00:32:32,163 and therefore, the editors were, "We need to reach these female readers." 445 00:32:32,163 --> 00:32:37,963 Agatha's books were serialised in these newspapers, targeted at women. 446 00:32:37,963 --> 00:32:41,363 The same female readers who'd also lapped up the real-life 447 00:32:41,363 --> 00:32:44,083 story of her disappearance. 448 00:32:44,083 --> 00:32:47,403 Agatha needed to keep them onside. 449 00:32:48,603 --> 00:32:52,883 There are very powerful ideas at this time of what 450 00:32:52,883 --> 00:32:54,843 motherhood should be, not least 451 00:32:54,843 --> 00:32:58,603 because there had been some murmurings, I think, 452 00:32:58,603 --> 00:33:02,723 about how could someone disappear like that and leave a daughter? 453 00:33:02,723 --> 00:33:06,203 And she would probably have been conscious of the sorts of things 454 00:33:06,203 --> 00:33:08,243 that she would need to say, 455 00:33:08,243 --> 00:33:12,443 not just in the courtroom, but to the court of public opinion. 456 00:33:12,443 --> 00:33:14,563 She would have been conscious of that, I think. 457 00:33:14,563 --> 00:33:16,203 What's astonishing to me 458 00:33:16,203 --> 00:33:19,923 is that, despite the fact she gave an interview to the Daily Mail 459 00:33:19,923 --> 00:33:23,203 saying exactly why she'd disappeared, 460 00:33:23,203 --> 00:33:27,883 nobody was listening, because most people today still, I think, 461 00:33:27,883 --> 00:33:30,083 would say, "Oh, yeah, she disappeared 462 00:33:30,083 --> 00:33:32,243 "because she was a bad person and she was framing 463 00:33:32,243 --> 00:33:34,203 "her cheating husband for her murder," 464 00:33:34,203 --> 00:33:37,203 because that made a better media story. Absolutely, 465 00:33:37,203 --> 00:33:42,123 and I think, to some extent, it is the result of the intensity of the 466 00:33:42,123 --> 00:33:47,083 coverage in 1926, splashed across a whole range of different newspapers, 467 00:33:47,083 --> 00:33:51,483 versus a one-off interview for one newspaper, which although would 468 00:33:51,483 --> 00:33:52,803 have got a certain reach, 469 00:33:52,803 --> 00:33:55,043 it didn't probably have that same lasting resonance, 470 00:33:55,043 --> 00:33:57,883 and so people would go back to the events of 1926 471 00:33:57,883 --> 00:33:59,803 and then put their own interpretation on it. 472 00:33:59,803 --> 00:34:03,683 It just shows, you mustn't believe what you read in the papers. 473 00:34:03,683 --> 00:34:06,603 Absolutely not. You can't ever trust the 1920s newspapers, in particular. 474 00:34:06,603 --> 00:34:07,643 Gosh! 475 00:34:09,643 --> 00:34:12,003 In the end, Agatha could not stop 476 00:34:12,003 --> 00:34:15,523 the speculation about her disappearance. 477 00:34:15,523 --> 00:34:18,803 But she did win custody of Rosalind. 478 00:34:18,803 --> 00:34:22,043 And she was learning that she couldn't just keep quiet. 479 00:34:22,043 --> 00:34:26,683 She had to get out there and manage her image. 480 00:34:26,683 --> 00:34:29,843 This is beginning to make sense to me. 481 00:34:29,843 --> 00:34:33,683 The very last thing she must have wanted to do was to give 482 00:34:33,683 --> 00:34:35,403 interviews to the press. 483 00:34:35,403 --> 00:34:39,683 And yet, she was locked into this relationship with it. 484 00:34:39,683 --> 00:34:41,523 She still had to sell books. 485 00:34:54,643 --> 00:34:57,163 Throughout the upheavals of her divorce, 486 00:34:57,163 --> 00:35:01,043 Agatha had been wrestling with her next Poirot mystery. 487 00:35:03,883 --> 00:35:07,363 And just a month after the Daily Mail article appeared, 488 00:35:07,363 --> 00:35:09,603 a new novel hit the shelves. 489 00:35:15,403 --> 00:35:20,603 The Mystery Of The Blue Train is about a murder on a luxury train, 490 00:35:20,603 --> 00:35:23,283 going to the South of France. 491 00:35:23,283 --> 00:35:29,323 And it's a book that marks a turning point in Agatha's career, cos this 492 00:35:29,323 --> 00:35:34,563 is the book that she was working on in 1926, when she disappeared. 493 00:35:34,563 --> 00:35:39,243 The story reflects the turmoil in her private life. 494 00:35:39,243 --> 00:35:43,923 It's about divorce and faithless spouses, but the book itself 495 00:35:43,923 --> 00:35:49,363 was part of the problem for her because she just couldn't finish it. 496 00:35:49,363 --> 00:35:54,203 She later described it as easily the worst book she'd ever written. 497 00:35:54,203 --> 00:35:56,883 When she'd come back after the disappearance, 498 00:35:56,883 --> 00:35:59,483 she really needed to finish it because of the money 499 00:35:59,483 --> 00:36:03,923 and she describes in this letter how difficult that was. 500 00:36:03,923 --> 00:36:07,523 She says here, "I wanted to write for the sake of the money," 501 00:36:07,523 --> 00:36:09,323 to support her daughter, 502 00:36:09,323 --> 00:36:15,723 "but I felt I couldn't and it is a nerve-wracking feeling." 503 00:36:15,723 --> 00:36:19,203 You can see her trying to finish the book, squeezing out the words, 504 00:36:19,203 --> 00:36:21,283 as she tots up her daily totals 505 00:36:21,283 --> 00:36:23,603 and on this page of her notebooks here. 506 00:36:23,603 --> 00:36:30,163 She manages to get to 53,000 words, but her publishing contract 507 00:36:30,163 --> 00:36:33,443 says that the next novel must be 508 00:36:33,443 --> 00:36:38,203 "not less than 75,000 words". 509 00:36:38,203 --> 00:36:44,283 Let me read you one of the very last paragraphs of the story, 510 00:36:44,283 --> 00:36:49,243 which throws an interesting light on all of this, I think. 511 00:36:49,243 --> 00:36:53,483 "From far behind them, there came a long, drawn-out scream 512 00:36:53,483 --> 00:36:55,763 "of an engine's whistle. 513 00:36:55,763 --> 00:37:01,883 " 'Trains are relentless things, aren't they, Monsieur Poirot? 514 00:37:01,883 --> 00:37:06,483 " 'People are murdered and die, but they go on just the same.' " 515 00:37:06,483 --> 00:37:09,363 So, this story works on two levels. 516 00:37:09,363 --> 00:37:14,443 It's a story about a train, but it's also a story about the 517 00:37:14,443 --> 00:37:21,163 relentless, inexorable nature of success and publishing contracts. 518 00:37:26,923 --> 00:37:30,683 Much later, Agatha said that it was full of cliches, the people 519 00:37:30,683 --> 00:37:34,643 were unreal, the plot predictable, and it had no joie de vivre. 520 00:37:36,283 --> 00:37:39,283 People who thought it one of her best, she said, 521 00:37:39,283 --> 00:37:41,883 actually went down in her estimation. 522 00:37:43,123 --> 00:37:46,043 But even though it wasn't exactly a masterpiece, 523 00:37:46,043 --> 00:37:52,043 the Blue Train sold because Agatha was now notorious. 524 00:37:52,043 --> 00:37:55,203 The Murder Of Roger Ackroyd, a brilliant book, 525 00:37:55,203 --> 00:37:58,603 sold 4,000 copies in its first year. 526 00:37:58,603 --> 00:38:02,883 The Blue Train, described by Agatha as "easily the worst book 527 00:38:02,883 --> 00:38:06,923 "I ever wrote", sold 7,000 copies. 528 00:38:22,083 --> 00:38:27,723 Later, in 1928, Agatha's divorce finally became official. 529 00:38:29,123 --> 00:38:32,883 The next week, Archie married Nancy Neele. 530 00:38:32,883 --> 00:38:36,683 It must have felt like yet another public humiliation. 531 00:38:38,483 --> 00:38:43,723 Agatha was adrift. Her daughter was off at boarding school, 532 00:38:43,723 --> 00:38:49,523 she had no ties, no husband, and more notoriety than she wanted. 533 00:38:49,523 --> 00:38:53,643 But there was, at least, the freedom to get away. 534 00:38:55,043 --> 00:38:59,243 In November 1928, Agatha threw caution to the wind 535 00:38:59,243 --> 00:39:04,763 and booked herself a second-class ticket on the famous Orient Express. 536 00:39:07,163 --> 00:39:11,083 She'd once travelled the world with Archie by her side. 537 00:39:11,083 --> 00:39:14,923 Here was her chance to go solo. 538 00:39:16,603 --> 00:39:21,403 And this was her first stop - Sirkeci Station, Istanbul. 539 00:39:24,243 --> 00:39:29,563 Agatha likes to tell the story about how fate brought her here. 540 00:39:29,563 --> 00:39:35,243 She had planned to go to the West Indies, but then, at a party, 541 00:39:35,243 --> 00:39:39,043 she ran into a couple who'd just come back from Iraq. 542 00:39:39,043 --> 00:39:41,803 They told her how marvellous it was, 543 00:39:41,803 --> 00:39:45,603 they told her about these incredible train journeys. 544 00:39:45,603 --> 00:39:50,723 The next day, she changed her ticket and five days later, she was off. 545 00:39:50,723 --> 00:39:56,403 So, in the autumn of 1928, Agatha arrived here in Istanbul, 546 00:39:56,403 --> 00:40:00,843 ready to begin the next stage of her journey even further east. 547 00:40:12,283 --> 00:40:13,603 Thank you. 548 00:40:15,243 --> 00:40:19,923 Now, this business of the last-minute change of tickets, 549 00:40:19,923 --> 00:40:24,883 it does sound like a plot device from one of Agatha's own books, 550 00:40:24,883 --> 00:40:26,203 doesn't it? 551 00:40:26,203 --> 00:40:29,443 And when she came to write her own life story, 552 00:40:29,443 --> 00:40:31,643 she saw it in those terms, 553 00:40:31,643 --> 00:40:36,723 as the beginning of a fresh chapter, a new start in life. 554 00:40:44,283 --> 00:40:49,243 As Agatha put it, "I was going by myself, I should find out now 555 00:40:49,243 --> 00:40:52,243 "what kind of person I was." 556 00:40:52,243 --> 00:40:55,643 It's pretty exciting for me being here in the 21st century, 557 00:40:55,643 --> 00:40:57,563 and I've got a film crew with me. 558 00:40:57,563 --> 00:41:05,283 Imagine what it must have been like for a woman alone here in the 1920s. 559 00:41:05,283 --> 00:41:08,323 It must have been almost shockingly different 560 00:41:08,323 --> 00:41:10,763 from her normal life at home. 561 00:41:11,963 --> 00:41:17,323 Single female tourists were a bit of a rarity at the time. 562 00:41:17,323 --> 00:41:21,563 Yet, here she was, at 38 years old, heading off on her own. 563 00:41:23,043 --> 00:41:26,843 Last time that happened, there'd been a national manhunt, 564 00:41:26,843 --> 00:41:29,443 and now she was blissfully in control. 565 00:41:30,803 --> 00:41:34,043 What's more, her journey was only just beginning. 566 00:41:36,083 --> 00:41:40,683 Here's a map from the 1920s that shows Agatha's route. 567 00:41:40,683 --> 00:41:44,363 It's described as an Authentic Imperial Map. 568 00:41:44,363 --> 00:41:47,683 She started here at Istanbul. 569 00:41:47,683 --> 00:41:52,563 British people then saw the city as the gateway to the East. 570 00:41:52,563 --> 00:41:57,163 Then she crossed the Bosporus by boat, 571 00:41:57,163 --> 00:42:01,763 then it was on to a train to get across the rest of Turkey, through 572 00:42:01,763 --> 00:42:08,603 some thrilling mountain passes, then through Syria, to Damascus, 573 00:42:08,603 --> 00:42:12,843 there it is, then the journey got really exciting because to go across 574 00:42:12,843 --> 00:42:19,163 the desert into Iraq, she had to travel in a bouncing desert minibus. 575 00:42:21,483 --> 00:42:26,643 The idea of being on your own in the desert was a powerful one 576 00:42:26,643 --> 00:42:33,443 for Agatha. Years later, she wrote Absent In The Spring. 577 00:42:33,443 --> 00:42:36,763 In it, a woman finds herself stranded for days 578 00:42:36,763 --> 00:42:42,163 and is forced to confront her self-deception. Agatha writes... 579 00:42:55,723 --> 00:43:01,163 I think that on this journey, Agatha too was finally facing up to 580 00:43:01,163 --> 00:43:03,523 all those terrible things she'd been through. 581 00:43:05,643 --> 00:43:07,123 When she reached Baghdad, 582 00:43:07,123 --> 00:43:09,843 she actually found it a bit disappointing. 583 00:43:09,843 --> 00:43:12,123 It was a bit too British and colonial. 584 00:43:12,123 --> 00:43:16,603 So she immediately set off again, going in this direction, 585 00:43:16,603 --> 00:43:21,163 towards an even bigger adventure. 586 00:43:21,163 --> 00:43:26,163 Over 200 miles south of Baghdad, she reached Tell el-Muqayyar. 587 00:43:27,363 --> 00:43:30,363 This was the site of an archaeological dig, 588 00:43:30,363 --> 00:43:33,363 begun in 1922, which had uncovered 589 00:43:33,363 --> 00:43:38,403 treasures from the 5,000-year-old Sumerian civilisation 590 00:43:38,403 --> 00:43:41,363 at the Royal Cemetery at Ur. 591 00:43:44,363 --> 00:43:46,843 The visit to the dig would end up being 592 00:43:46,843 --> 00:43:51,603 just as transformative for Agatha as the journey itself. 593 00:43:54,323 --> 00:43:59,523 Many objects excavated at Ur are housed here at the British Museum. 594 00:44:01,923 --> 00:44:05,323 And I'm meeting a leading expert. 595 00:44:05,323 --> 00:44:09,603 Zainab, in the 1920s, Tutankhamun has just been discovered 596 00:44:09,603 --> 00:44:12,763 and everybody's mad for Egyptian things... Yes. ..aren't they? 597 00:44:12,763 --> 00:44:18,163 Egyptomania. Egyptomania! How does Iraq fit into that? 598 00:44:18,163 --> 00:44:23,643 Well, soon afterwards, Iraq also got a different 599 00:44:23,643 --> 00:44:27,283 kind of a mania about these... Especially these finds from Ur. 600 00:44:27,283 --> 00:44:32,483 So, it began to gain a similar kind of glamour. 601 00:44:32,483 --> 00:44:35,283 So, if you've seen the Golden Treasures from Egypt, 602 00:44:35,283 --> 00:44:39,083 you're also going to like the Golden Treasures from Iraq. Exactly. 603 00:44:39,083 --> 00:44:41,843 Zainab, what's this amazing thing we're looking at here? 604 00:44:41,843 --> 00:44:44,323 This is the so-called Ram in a Thicket. 605 00:44:44,323 --> 00:44:49,763 It was one of the objects that was found in the Royal Cemetery of Ur, 606 00:44:49,763 --> 00:44:55,683 which was this spectacular series of 16 graves that date to the 607 00:44:55,683 --> 00:44:59,763 middle of the third millennium BC in the south of Iraq. 608 00:44:59,763 --> 00:45:03,723 How intrepid of her was this? 609 00:45:03,723 --> 00:45:06,003 Well, I think it was intrepid, 610 00:45:06,003 --> 00:45:10,243 because even now a lot of people are kind of reluctant to go to Iraq, 611 00:45:10,243 --> 00:45:12,243 after all of the wars and so on. 612 00:45:12,243 --> 00:45:14,643 And we have to imagine that it was something similar. 613 00:45:14,643 --> 00:45:17,363 They had just come out of the First World War. 614 00:45:17,363 --> 00:45:19,883 Iraq was under the British mandate, 615 00:45:19,883 --> 00:45:23,043 which is a polite way of saying it was a colony. 616 00:45:23,043 --> 00:45:27,723 So it was this exotic place, but it was in the East, 617 00:45:27,723 --> 00:45:29,003 in someplace unknown. 618 00:45:29,003 --> 00:45:34,643 So I do think it was brave of her to decide to go. 619 00:45:34,643 --> 00:45:38,883 When Agatha Christie arrived at Ur in 1928, 620 00:45:38,883 --> 00:45:42,163 she got invited to stay on the site. 621 00:45:42,163 --> 00:45:44,843 That was a pretty special thing, wasn't it? 622 00:45:44,843 --> 00:45:46,043 That's very special. 623 00:45:46,043 --> 00:45:49,603 Yes, I doubt that they would have invited every tourist. 624 00:45:49,603 --> 00:45:53,963 No, because she brought publicity to the archaeologists. Exactly. 625 00:45:53,963 --> 00:45:58,443 And what archaeologists really want is to have that kind of publicity 626 00:45:58,443 --> 00:46:00,483 in order to have more funds. 627 00:46:01,683 --> 00:46:05,123 Agatha's fame may have attracted the archaeologists, 628 00:46:05,123 --> 00:46:08,283 but she certainly got something in return. 629 00:46:08,283 --> 00:46:12,683 Archaeology and Iraq would become a source of inspiration 630 00:46:12,683 --> 00:46:14,003 for future novels. 631 00:46:15,003 --> 00:46:17,483 And she also gained in other ways. 632 00:46:19,043 --> 00:46:24,323 It seems to me that Agatha's first trip to Iraq made a big difference 633 00:46:24,323 --> 00:46:26,603 to her self-confidence. 634 00:46:26,603 --> 00:46:32,043 She knew now that she could live by herself, travel by herself. 635 00:46:32,043 --> 00:46:35,483 I think it gave her a new sense of independence. 636 00:46:42,443 --> 00:46:46,043 The next step was to apply this new confidence 637 00:46:46,043 --> 00:46:47,523 to her life at home. 638 00:46:47,523 --> 00:46:50,003 And, by chance, 639 00:46:50,003 --> 00:46:54,883 1928 was also the year she had her first encounters 640 00:46:54,883 --> 00:46:56,603 with the movies. 641 00:47:06,283 --> 00:47:10,643 I'm meeting Mark Aldridge, an expert on Agatha's films, 642 00:47:10,643 --> 00:47:13,243 to find out how she showed her mettle. 643 00:47:13,243 --> 00:47:17,683 Mark, what was the...what was the very first Agatha Christie film? 644 00:47:17,683 --> 00:47:19,483 It's actually not one of the big stories. 645 00:47:19,483 --> 00:47:22,123 So you might think it would be Poirot or that it would be one 646 00:47:22,123 --> 00:47:23,843 of her really famous mysteries. 647 00:47:23,843 --> 00:47:27,283 But actually, it was a short story, a Mr Quinn short story, 648 00:47:27,283 --> 00:47:29,043 one of her interesting characters. 649 00:47:29,043 --> 00:47:31,723 It starts quite like what Agatha Christie wrote, 650 00:47:31,723 --> 00:47:34,403 but we also get things like poisonous snakes 651 00:47:34,403 --> 00:47:35,803 and all sorts of things 652 00:47:35,803 --> 00:47:38,803 that are absolutely not in her original story. 653 00:47:38,803 --> 00:47:41,003 Oh, look! There's the snake. 654 00:47:41,003 --> 00:47:43,603 Adaptations of films in this era 655 00:47:43,603 --> 00:47:47,083 very often were playing fast and loose with the original story. 656 00:47:47,083 --> 00:47:48,483 This is a silent film, 657 00:47:48,483 --> 00:47:51,163 so you're having to make changes anyway. 658 00:47:51,163 --> 00:47:54,963 So we shouldn't think that Agatha Christie was particularly 659 00:47:54,963 --> 00:47:56,443 poorly treated here. 660 00:47:56,443 --> 00:47:58,963 Reviews weren't terribly kind, and one said it was 661 00:47:58,963 --> 00:48:01,723 one of the least convincing things they'd ever seen on film. 662 00:48:01,723 --> 00:48:03,323 Oh, dear. Yes. 663 00:48:03,323 --> 00:48:06,163 So, can we see this first film? The really bad one? 664 00:48:06,163 --> 00:48:08,803 Unfortunately, no prints are known to survive. 665 00:48:08,803 --> 00:48:10,763 But who knows if that was deliberate or not? 666 00:48:10,763 --> 00:48:14,203 So, 1928, this really terrible film kicks off her career. 667 00:48:14,203 --> 00:48:18,603 What happens next? Does it get any better? Well, a little. 668 00:48:18,603 --> 00:48:20,723 What we then have is Austin Trevor, 669 00:48:20,723 --> 00:48:24,123 a fairly young actor playing Hercule Poirot on screen. 670 00:48:24,123 --> 00:48:26,403 Can we see this guy, then, Austin Trevor? 671 00:48:26,403 --> 00:48:31,243 We can see him in 1934 in Lord Edgware Dies. Ooh! 672 00:48:31,243 --> 00:48:34,243 Let's assess his performance, shall we? See what you think. 673 00:48:34,243 --> 00:48:37,563 Mr Poirot, I believe. At your service, my dear. 674 00:48:37,563 --> 00:48:39,243 Oh, you Frenchmen are so cute. 675 00:48:39,243 --> 00:48:41,323 I just love your Parisian manners. 676 00:48:41,323 --> 00:48:43,243 He's French! LAUGHING: He's French. 677 00:48:43,243 --> 00:48:45,803 He's not supposed to be French. I know. I know. 678 00:48:45,803 --> 00:48:49,683 He's famously Belgian. He's famously Belgian... 679 00:48:49,683 --> 00:48:51,123 ..unless you're a film producer, 680 00:48:51,123 --> 00:48:53,243 in which case, he'll be whatever you want him to be. 681 00:48:53,243 --> 00:48:56,403 Mr Poirot, I want to consult you. But certainly, madame. 682 00:48:56,403 --> 00:48:57,763 Shall I call on you tomorrow? 683 00:48:57,763 --> 00:48:59,843 Oh, tomorrow means nothing in my life - 684 00:48:59,843 --> 00:49:01,923 only the present counts. Why not now? 685 00:49:01,923 --> 00:49:03,683 By all means, if you wish. 686 00:49:03,683 --> 00:49:05,443 We should be quite undisturbed in there. 687 00:49:05,443 --> 00:49:07,603 What's going on with the moustache? 688 00:49:07,603 --> 00:49:09,043 Exactly. Where is his moustache? 689 00:49:09,043 --> 00:49:10,923 He's not Poirot! No. 690 00:49:10,923 --> 00:49:12,523 Of course, if we were in Chicago, 691 00:49:12,523 --> 00:49:14,443 I could get him bumped off quite easily. 692 00:49:14,443 --> 00:49:17,083 But you don't seem to run to gunmen over here. No, madame. 693 00:49:17,083 --> 00:49:19,643 Here, we consider human beings have a right to live. 694 00:49:19,643 --> 00:49:22,683 Even husbands. Oh, I see. 695 00:49:22,683 --> 00:49:26,763 So how does she react to people taking Poirot and making him sexy 696 00:49:26,763 --> 00:49:28,483 and French, messing with him? 697 00:49:28,483 --> 00:49:32,723 Well, we've got a pretty good idea, because later in the 1930s, MGM, 698 00:49:32,723 --> 00:49:35,323 the big Hollywood studio, they showed some interest. 699 00:49:35,323 --> 00:49:39,963 This is a letter from May 1936 from her American agent, 700 00:49:39,963 --> 00:49:42,243 written to her British agent, to say 701 00:49:42,243 --> 00:49:45,443 that they'd better drop negotiations. Oh! What went wrong? 702 00:49:45,443 --> 00:49:49,283 Well, the New York office thinks this is because the author, 703 00:49:49,283 --> 00:49:50,763 our beloved Agatha Christie, 704 00:49:50,763 --> 00:49:52,603 wanted a clause put in the contract 705 00:49:52,603 --> 00:49:56,563 saying that Poirot should not be involved in any love story. 706 00:49:56,563 --> 00:49:58,403 So she said, you can have Poirot, 707 00:49:58,403 --> 00:50:01,283 but you can't make him into a romantic hero. 708 00:50:01,283 --> 00:50:05,203 And that was enough for a big studio like MGM to say, "No, we'll pass." 709 00:50:05,203 --> 00:50:11,483 Gosh. So they wanted him to be this kind of guy, a romantic lead. 710 00:50:11,483 --> 00:50:12,883 Yes, they did. 711 00:50:12,883 --> 00:50:15,643 I love the sense that she's taking up control. 712 00:50:15,643 --> 00:50:18,163 She's becoming the queen of crime. I think so. 713 00:50:18,163 --> 00:50:21,323 And I think she started to have confidence to speak back 714 00:50:21,323 --> 00:50:23,523 to people who tried to correct her or said 715 00:50:23,523 --> 00:50:25,483 that she should be doing certain things. 716 00:50:25,483 --> 00:50:27,723 And I think that the earlier Agatha Christie 717 00:50:27,723 --> 00:50:29,043 wouldn't have done that. 718 00:50:29,043 --> 00:50:31,403 She's a changed woman. Hmm. 719 00:50:33,403 --> 00:50:37,243 It's fascinating to see Agatha fighting to keep Poirot 720 00:50:37,243 --> 00:50:38,563 under her control. 721 00:50:39,843 --> 00:50:42,243 Made wiser by recent troubles, 722 00:50:42,243 --> 00:50:45,243 emboldened by her independent travel, 723 00:50:45,243 --> 00:50:47,763 she was beginning to find the confidence 724 00:50:47,763 --> 00:50:50,563 to stand up for herself and her writing. 725 00:50:54,803 --> 00:51:01,283 In the late 1920s, detective fiction was flourishing, thanks to novelists 726 00:51:01,283 --> 00:51:05,043 like Dorothy L Sayers, GK Chesterton 727 00:51:05,043 --> 00:51:07,203 and, of course, Agatha herself. 728 00:51:08,243 --> 00:51:12,443 And some of these writers banded together into a dining society 729 00:51:12,443 --> 00:51:16,123 called the Detection Club. 730 00:51:16,123 --> 00:51:21,563 If you joined the Detection Club, you had to swear the club oath. 731 00:51:21,563 --> 00:51:23,643 It was very tongue in cheek. 732 00:51:23,643 --> 00:51:27,563 You had to promise that, in any future novels you might write, 733 00:51:27,563 --> 00:51:31,403 you would avoid the things considered to be cheating. 734 00:51:31,403 --> 00:51:36,243 These included trap doors and ghosts 735 00:51:36,243 --> 00:51:40,523 and super criminals and death rays 736 00:51:40,523 --> 00:51:46,243 and - this is interesting - feminine intuition. 737 00:51:46,243 --> 00:51:49,283 I wonder what's wrong with feminine intuition 738 00:51:49,283 --> 00:51:53,563 and why it's cheatier than masculine intuition. 739 00:51:53,563 --> 00:51:56,803 Anyway, Agatha had always enjoyed breaking the rules, 740 00:51:56,803 --> 00:51:59,563 and this was a rule that she would break 741 00:51:59,563 --> 00:52:02,363 in creating her new detective. 742 00:52:04,243 --> 00:52:08,923 Miss Marple first appeared as a character in a short story 743 00:52:08,923 --> 00:52:12,123 of 1927, The Tuesday Night Club, 744 00:52:12,123 --> 00:52:14,563 before emerging as a detective 745 00:52:14,563 --> 00:52:19,843 in her own right in 1930's The Murder At The Vicarage. 746 00:52:22,363 --> 00:52:24,643 Ha! Now, you might think 747 00:52:24,643 --> 00:52:28,043 that Miss Marple is a sort of cuddly, 748 00:52:28,043 --> 00:52:31,003 tea-drinking old lady. You'd be wrong. 749 00:52:31,003 --> 00:52:36,443 She's actually an independent and quite subversive woman, 750 00:52:36,443 --> 00:52:40,363 and she works through feminine intuition. 751 00:52:40,363 --> 00:52:42,243 This is how she defines it. 752 00:52:42,243 --> 00:52:45,283 She says, "Intuition is like reading a word 753 00:52:45,283 --> 00:52:48,043 "without having to spell it out. 754 00:52:48,043 --> 00:52:51,723 "A child can't do that because a child has little experience, 755 00:52:51,723 --> 00:52:54,203 "but a grown-up person knows the word 756 00:52:54,203 --> 00:52:57,643 "because they've seen it often before." 757 00:52:57,643 --> 00:53:01,563 She's really talking about life experience, isn't she? 758 00:53:02,563 --> 00:53:03,843 As she says here, 759 00:53:03,843 --> 00:53:08,683 "My hobby is - and always has been - human nature." 760 00:53:08,683 --> 00:53:13,443 Now, I think it was Agatha's own life experience, 761 00:53:13,443 --> 00:53:18,283 this sense that she'd been through trouble and come out stronger, 762 00:53:18,283 --> 00:53:21,283 that she was entering into her power 763 00:53:21,283 --> 00:53:26,603 that allowed her to create the rule-breaking Miss Marple. 764 00:53:28,363 --> 00:53:33,003 Agatha found a way of combining her new confidence and independence 765 00:53:33,003 --> 00:53:36,123 with the psychological insights from her illness 766 00:53:36,123 --> 00:53:39,363 to create the perfect detective. 767 00:53:40,803 --> 00:53:44,363 Almost a century after we first met Miss Marple, 768 00:53:44,363 --> 00:53:49,043 some of our great novelists are still fascinated by her. 769 00:53:49,043 --> 00:53:52,123 I've met up for a glass of cherry brandy 770 00:53:52,123 --> 00:53:54,523 with three best-selling writers 771 00:53:54,523 --> 00:53:58,283 who've just finished their own Miss Marple stories. 772 00:53:58,283 --> 00:54:02,243 Now, Kate, I've heard you saying that Miss Marple is your hero. 773 00:54:02,243 --> 00:54:03,563 Is that fair to say? 774 00:54:03,563 --> 00:54:05,003 Yes, she absolutely is. 775 00:54:05,003 --> 00:54:07,963 I think she is one of the great unsung heroes of literature 776 00:54:07,963 --> 00:54:10,203 and one of the great women of literature, 777 00:54:10,203 --> 00:54:12,043 not just crime, but everything, 778 00:54:12,043 --> 00:54:14,523 because she is utterly herself. 779 00:54:14,523 --> 00:54:18,603 She's uncompromising, but she's gentle and clever. 780 00:54:18,603 --> 00:54:23,283 How many other women are the hero of their story at the age of 65, 781 00:54:23,283 --> 00:54:25,803 but without it being because they're somebody's mother? 782 00:54:25,803 --> 00:54:29,803 She's someone that other people take for granted a little bit. 783 00:54:29,803 --> 00:54:31,963 She's a little bit invisible, but she turns that 784 00:54:31,963 --> 00:54:33,603 into her secret weapon. 785 00:54:33,603 --> 00:54:37,163 You know, she's able to overhear conversations because people 786 00:54:37,163 --> 00:54:40,163 don't think anything about talking in front of her because she's just 787 00:54:40,163 --> 00:54:42,043 this fluffy little old lady. 788 00:54:42,043 --> 00:54:44,443 So, of course, it doesn't matter what they say. 789 00:54:44,443 --> 00:54:46,483 You know, part of this is also cultural, right? 790 00:54:46,483 --> 00:54:49,403 Because in an Asian context, you know, 791 00:54:49,403 --> 00:54:52,363 we revere the older generation 792 00:54:52,363 --> 00:54:54,563 and we think they have a great deal of wisdom. 793 00:54:54,563 --> 00:54:58,083 And when I first read Miss Marple stories, I was quite surprised 794 00:54:58,083 --> 00:54:59,523 by saying...by seeing, 795 00:54:59,523 --> 00:55:02,443 "Oh, she's being underestimated." 796 00:55:02,443 --> 00:55:04,763 Kate, can you tell me what the brief was when you wrote 797 00:55:04,763 --> 00:55:06,203 these new Miss Marple stories? 798 00:55:06,203 --> 00:55:08,963 Well, it was... The brief was quite tight, in a way, wasn't it? 799 00:55:08,963 --> 00:55:11,723 So I think one of the key things is that 800 00:55:11,723 --> 00:55:13,763 there could be no love interest. 801 00:55:13,763 --> 00:55:19,203 We couldn't create a back story of a husband that died in the war 802 00:55:19,203 --> 00:55:21,523 or a broken heart. In those days, 803 00:55:21,523 --> 00:55:23,603 even though there was a surplus of women 804 00:55:23,603 --> 00:55:25,163 because of the First World War 805 00:55:25,163 --> 00:55:28,243 and there weren't enough men to go round and all of these things, 806 00:55:28,243 --> 00:55:30,203 there was also a thing that single women 807 00:55:30,203 --> 00:55:33,203 and women who didn't marry were to be pitied. 808 00:55:33,203 --> 00:55:35,843 And that is an incredibly important part 809 00:55:35,843 --> 00:55:37,963 of why Miss Marple is dismissed. 810 00:55:37,963 --> 00:55:41,603 I think the other really interesting thing about both of Christie's 811 00:55:41,603 --> 00:55:45,163 detectives, actually, is that they both arise out of sort of 812 00:55:45,163 --> 00:55:48,323 slightly destabilising influences after the war, 813 00:55:48,323 --> 00:55:50,043 in that Poirot is a refugee, 814 00:55:50,043 --> 00:55:53,483 and that was something that people had a lot of anxiety about. 815 00:55:53,483 --> 00:55:57,083 Miss Marple is one of this generation of superfluous women. 816 00:55:57,083 --> 00:56:01,883 And what Christie does brilliantly is show that these people are not 817 00:56:01,883 --> 00:56:06,003 just important and integral to society, but, you know, 818 00:56:06,003 --> 00:56:09,683 they can be absolutely key in ensuring that society can run 819 00:56:09,683 --> 00:56:11,563 in a successful way. 820 00:56:11,563 --> 00:56:14,123 Kate, when you were designing your crime that Miss Marple 821 00:56:14,123 --> 00:56:16,443 was going to solve, what did you bear in mind? 822 00:56:16,443 --> 00:56:18,763 I think the most important thing is resolution. 823 00:56:18,763 --> 00:56:22,203 The idea that you set up something very contained. 824 00:56:22,203 --> 00:56:25,643 You give the reader every single bit of information they need. 825 00:56:25,643 --> 00:56:28,483 But there is...it comes with a promise that 826 00:56:28,483 --> 00:56:31,043 there's going to be no things left hanging. 827 00:56:31,043 --> 00:56:34,523 But the other thing about Marple mysteries 828 00:56:34,523 --> 00:56:37,203 is that there's often some little piece 829 00:56:37,203 --> 00:56:40,403 of disregarded knowledge which is considered 830 00:56:40,403 --> 00:56:43,403 as being too trivial and too unimportant 831 00:56:43,403 --> 00:56:46,603 for all the grand, you know, police detectives. 832 00:56:46,603 --> 00:56:49,403 But for Miss Marple, nothing is too trivial. 833 00:56:49,403 --> 00:56:51,083 And that's her brilliance. 834 00:56:51,083 --> 00:56:54,003 You know, there are always these very clever clues. 835 00:56:54,003 --> 00:56:57,403 And when you try to replicate that experience, you realise 836 00:56:57,403 --> 00:57:00,483 how very difficult that actually is, 837 00:57:00,483 --> 00:57:04,443 to toss in just enough information that you're playing fair, 838 00:57:04,443 --> 00:57:08,323 but to do it without really just giving it all away. 839 00:57:08,323 --> 00:57:13,283 And it made me respect Christie and Miss Marple so very much, 840 00:57:13,283 --> 00:57:17,923 because you realise this is so much more difficult than you would think 841 00:57:17,923 --> 00:57:21,443 to set the path and yet not make it very obvious. 842 00:57:25,803 --> 00:57:30,443 Miss Marple embodied the new Agatha of the late 1920s, 843 00:57:30,443 --> 00:57:33,523 determined not to be at anyone's mercy, 844 00:57:33,523 --> 00:57:36,483 completely in control of her craft. 845 00:57:36,483 --> 00:57:41,603 Agatha had gone from desperate fugitive 846 00:57:41,603 --> 00:57:44,363 to this confident, 847 00:57:44,363 --> 00:57:49,043 powerful, independent woman in a really horrible way. 848 00:57:49,043 --> 00:57:54,523 I think that the traumatic 1920s had made her stronger. 849 00:57:54,523 --> 00:57:57,923 They'd certainly made her into a household name. 850 00:57:57,923 --> 00:58:03,203 And I also think the trouble she'd had made her work better. 851 00:58:03,203 --> 00:58:06,083 It made it richer and darker 852 00:58:06,083 --> 00:58:09,483 and more psychologically interesting. 853 00:58:09,483 --> 00:58:13,443 She was ready for a fresh chapter. 854 00:58:15,483 --> 00:58:19,323 Next time, archaeology gets under Agatha's skin. 855 00:58:19,323 --> 00:58:22,763 Absolutely everything is celebrated by Christie. 856 00:58:22,763 --> 00:58:25,683 Evil comes to a remote island. 857 00:58:25,683 --> 00:58:27,883 Be very afraid. 858 00:58:27,883 --> 00:58:31,003 And the dark origins of a famous play. 859 00:58:31,003 --> 00:58:32,883 Have a look at this. She's written on it! 860 00:58:32,883 --> 00:58:34,203 This is brilliant. 117353

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