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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,585 --> 00:00:12,185 NARRATOR: In 1965, witnesses reported seeing a UFO crash 2 00:00:12,205 --> 00:00:15,285 in the woods outside of a small Pennsylvania town... 3 00:00:15,305 --> 00:00:16,465 It was right here. 4 00:00:16,485 --> 00:00:20,465 ..inciting one of the largest UFO cover-ups in history. 5 00:00:20,485 --> 00:00:23,465 BILL: It makes you wonder if we can trust anything. 6 00:00:23,485 --> 00:00:25,185 I was there. 7 00:00:25,545 --> 00:00:28,285 NARRATOR: What did the military find in those woods? 8 00:00:29,305 --> 00:00:30,545 Was something inside of that thing? 9 00:00:31,505 --> 00:00:34,325 NARRATOR: The time has come to uncover the truth 10 00:00:34,345 --> 00:00:36,465 behind the Kecksburg UFO case. 11 00:00:42,125 --> 00:00:44,245 BEN: I'm Ben Hansen, a former federal agent. 12 00:00:45,185 --> 00:00:46,185 My grandfather worked 13 00:00:46,205 --> 00:00:48,165 at a highly classified Air Force base 14 00:00:48,185 --> 00:00:50,425 and convinced me we are not alone in the universe. 15 00:00:50,445 --> 00:00:54,285 Then I had my own encounter that changed my life forever. 16 00:00:54,305 --> 00:00:55,485 ROGER: Welcome to UFO country. 17 00:00:56,425 --> 00:00:59,105 Now I've gained access to a top secret archive 18 00:00:59,125 --> 00:01:00,505 from Project Blue Book... 19 00:01:00,525 --> 00:01:05,165 This planet has been under surveillance for centuries. 20 00:01:06,385 --> 00:01:09,265 ..containing reports of over 10,000 UFO sightings 21 00:01:09,285 --> 00:01:10,545 investigated by the US Government. 22 00:01:11,365 --> 00:01:12,565 We could very well be standing 23 00:01:12,585 --> 00:01:15,385 on the exact place where a UFO crashed. 24 00:01:15,405 --> 00:01:19,125 My mission is to uncover the truth. 25 00:01:28,505 --> 00:01:32,405 I'm in Kecksburg, Pennsylvania. Southwestern part of the State. 26 00:01:32,425 --> 00:01:36,385 This is the site of the 1965 alleged UFO crash. 27 00:01:37,265 --> 00:01:39,325 A very strange occurrence in this small community. 28 00:01:41,305 --> 00:01:44,305 NARRATOR: The world has been fascinated by reports of UFO crashes 29 00:01:44,325 --> 00:01:47,525 since the infamous Roswell incident of 1947. 30 00:01:49,325 --> 00:01:52,385 But a lesser known UFO crash has haunted the little town 31 00:01:52,405 --> 00:01:56,185 of Kecksburg, Pennsylvania since 1965. 32 00:02:02,485 --> 00:02:03,565 In this tiny town, 33 00:02:03,585 --> 00:02:07,145 locals claim they saw a fireball tear across the sky 34 00:02:07,165 --> 00:02:09,525 and crash into a wooded hollow a few miles away. 35 00:02:12,125 --> 00:02:13,185 At the crash site, 36 00:02:13,205 --> 00:02:17,165 witnesses saw a large metallic acorn-shaped object 37 00:02:17,185 --> 00:02:18,265 bathed in colourful lights. 38 00:02:18,565 --> 00:02:22,105 The military later claimed it was a simply a meteor. 39 00:02:22,125 --> 00:02:25,565 But those who saw it maintain it was a craft from another world. 40 00:02:25,585 --> 00:02:28,305 Kecksburg was never the same. 41 00:02:29,385 --> 00:02:33,365 It's heavily wooded, there's very few houses around. 42 00:02:33,385 --> 00:02:37,225 I can imagine something happening in the middle of the night. 43 00:02:37,245 --> 00:02:39,265 The whole town's gonna know about it. 44 00:02:39,285 --> 00:02:42,125 If you see smoke, you need to go find out what it was. 45 00:02:42,585 --> 00:02:47,285 The fire station I hear has kinda become the hub of Kecksburg. 46 00:02:47,305 --> 00:02:49,185 There's not really a downtown. 47 00:02:50,305 --> 00:02:52,105 There's a fire station. 48 00:02:52,125 --> 00:02:53,485 And here's their monument 49 00:02:53,505 --> 00:02:55,445 to the craft they claim crashed here. 50 00:02:55,465 --> 00:02:57,185 The giant acorn. 51 00:02:57,205 --> 00:02:59,205 Well let's take a look at this. 52 00:03:02,405 --> 00:03:07,145 Kecksburg UFO, December 9th, 1965. 53 00:03:08,125 --> 00:03:12,425 I think this is the, the same size, as much as they could make replica 54 00:03:12,445 --> 00:03:14,585 of what they believed it was. 55 00:03:16,505 --> 00:03:17,565 I can see here 56 00:03:17,585 --> 00:03:21,205 there's like strange inscriptions and writings on the side of it. 57 00:03:23,165 --> 00:03:25,405 That was reported by some of the witnesses. 58 00:03:27,125 --> 00:03:29,525 This probably hasn't changed much since the '60s. 59 00:03:30,365 --> 00:03:32,505 You can tell just by the age of the, the homes 60 00:03:32,525 --> 00:03:34,145 and things here in the woods. 61 00:03:34,165 --> 00:03:35,525 It's very possible that the woods 62 00:03:35,545 --> 00:03:38,585 looked almost exactly the same in 1965. 63 00:03:41,365 --> 00:03:44,165 It's like the whole town has been frozen in time 64 00:03:44,185 --> 00:03:45,245 since the day of the incident. 65 00:03:47,105 --> 00:03:48,125 NARRATOR: But recently, 66 00:03:48,145 --> 00:03:52,525 there have been new UFO sightings that are eerily similar to 1965... 67 00:03:53,565 --> 00:03:55,385 and Ben is meeting with the man 68 00:03:55,405 --> 00:03:58,165 who has been investigating those sightings. 69 00:04:02,145 --> 00:04:03,325 Hey, Ben. How are you doing? 70 00:04:03,345 --> 00:04:05,365 Roger. Welcome to UFO country. 71 00:04:07,225 --> 00:04:09,485 So, the Southwestern part of Pennsylvania 72 00:04:09,505 --> 00:04:11,325 is, is truly a hot spot huh? 73 00:04:12,305 --> 00:04:15,125 Yes. It's just rampant in this area. 74 00:04:15,145 --> 00:04:16,465 They appear to be observing us... 75 00:04:18,125 --> 00:04:20,145 and they've been coming for decades. 76 00:04:20,565 --> 00:04:22,265 It's, it's never let up. 77 00:04:22,285 --> 00:04:25,525 And the people that are reporting are very, very scared. 78 00:04:27,165 --> 00:04:29,405 We have a very good witness who saw something here. 79 00:04:29,425 --> 00:04:31,125 I'd love to hear what he has to say 'cause-- 80 00:04:31,145 --> 00:04:33,105 Sure. It's an incredible story. 81 00:04:36,265 --> 00:04:38,505 NARRATOR: Andrew Frick claims to have seen a UFO 82 00:04:38,525 --> 00:04:42,265 that matches the description of the 1965 acorn, 83 00:04:42,285 --> 00:04:45,265 just seven miles from where the Kecksburg UFO 84 00:04:45,285 --> 00:04:47,345 allegedly crashed 55 years ago. 85 00:04:48,425 --> 00:04:51,365 Could the two UFOs be connected? 86 00:04:51,385 --> 00:04:55,165 So, Andrew, Roger tells me you had a pretty intense experience. 87 00:04:55,185 --> 00:04:57,225 Can you walk me through what happened that day? 88 00:05:04,245 --> 00:05:06,245 ANDREW: I came over to hang out with my friends... 89 00:05:07,465 --> 00:05:09,445 ..we were all gaming. 90 00:05:09,465 --> 00:05:11,505 All of a sudden the TV starts freeze framing. 91 00:05:17,345 --> 00:05:19,545 The picture started just going berserk. 92 00:05:27,585 --> 00:05:30,165 Eventually we just had to shut the whole thing down. 93 00:05:40,445 --> 00:05:42,525 We go outside and it's so clear out. 94 00:05:46,365 --> 00:05:47,405 I pulled out my phone 95 00:05:47,425 --> 00:05:49,365 because I wanted to try and get a picture. 96 00:05:53,485 --> 00:05:55,385 And as I pulled my phone out 97 00:05:55,405 --> 00:05:58,225 and I'm panning the sky looking for a good area... 98 00:06:00,365 --> 00:06:02,465 I see this object in the sky. 99 00:06:09,105 --> 00:06:11,125 It was perfectly still. 100 00:06:13,165 --> 00:06:14,425 BEN: It hovered in place? 101 00:06:14,445 --> 00:06:15,465 Right. 102 00:06:15,485 --> 00:06:18,225 We were staring at it for about 40 seconds 103 00:06:18,245 --> 00:06:20,485 and I remember these lights appeared on it. 104 00:06:25,565 --> 00:06:29,425 All of a sudden it meandered for about ten seconds... 105 00:06:32,105 --> 00:06:33,145 and took off. 106 00:06:34,285 --> 00:06:37,425 It was gone. Like an, like the blink of eye. 107 00:06:40,245 --> 00:06:41,485 BEN: So, how did this end? 108 00:06:41,505 --> 00:06:43,185 You know we go back inside 109 00:06:43,205 --> 00:06:45,545 and, of course, the connection and the TV are fine 110 00:06:45,565 --> 00:06:47,225 and everything's normal again. 111 00:06:47,525 --> 00:06:49,285 You know, it was just the craziest thing 112 00:06:49,305 --> 00:06:52,145 cause I've never seen anything like that in the sky. 113 00:06:53,505 --> 00:06:55,505 Especially for it to not make a noise. 114 00:06:55,525 --> 00:06:57,565 No sound whatsoever? No sound. 115 00:06:58,565 --> 00:07:00,465 Did you try filming it? 116 00:07:00,485 --> 00:07:02,525 I snapped a picture but it was just-- 117 00:07:02,545 --> 00:07:04,405 It came up just black. Yeah, it was just all black. 118 00:07:04,425 --> 00:07:06,585 Pretty intense it happened right here. 119 00:07:08,325 --> 00:07:10,405 What do you think it was? Do you think it was from here? 120 00:07:10,425 --> 00:07:13,345 After seeing it I remember thinking to myself "Did that happen?" 121 00:07:15,365 --> 00:07:18,165 It's definitely, definitely, you know, 122 00:07:18,185 --> 00:07:19,545 something from out of this world. 123 00:07:22,465 --> 00:07:24,505 BEN: Andrew's testimony is amazing. 124 00:07:24,525 --> 00:07:28,425 This acorn-shaped craft silently hovered over them, 125 00:07:28,445 --> 00:07:29,565 disrupted their electronics, 126 00:07:29,585 --> 00:07:33,425 gave off a red glow and disappeared in a fraction of a second. 127 00:07:35,425 --> 00:07:40,225 NARRATOR: Could this UFO be linked to the Kecksburg crash of 1965? 128 00:07:42,105 --> 00:07:44,425 Ben is headed to meet with a local reporter 129 00:07:44,445 --> 00:07:47,585 who has been documenting UFO sightings and testimony 130 00:07:48,105 --> 00:07:49,345 for over 50 years. 131 00:07:51,585 --> 00:07:54,545 Hi, Stan. It's nice to finally meet you. 132 00:07:54,565 --> 00:07:56,265 Nice to meet you too. 133 00:07:57,345 --> 00:08:01,365 So, could you kinda just take me back to that evening. 134 00:08:03,225 --> 00:08:06,205 As there was news breaking on the radio and TV station 135 00:08:06,225 --> 00:08:07,225 around Pittsburg 136 00:08:07,245 --> 00:08:09,545 that this brilliant fireball had been observed. 137 00:08:11,345 --> 00:08:13,205 Whatever the object was, 138 00:08:13,225 --> 00:08:15,505 it fell into a wooded ravine near Kecksburg, 139 00:08:15,525 --> 00:08:17,105 here in Mount Pleasant Township. 140 00:08:18,325 --> 00:08:22,325 The witnesses who saw the object locally 141 00:08:22,345 --> 00:08:24,525 said it did not come down at a high rate of speed, 142 00:08:24,545 --> 00:08:26,185 like you would have for example 143 00:08:26,205 --> 00:08:28,345 with a re-entry of spaced a rare meteor. 144 00:08:28,365 --> 00:08:31,265 But I came down almost like it made a controlled landing 145 00:08:31,285 --> 00:08:36,265 and one of the witnesses was actually tuning up a CB radio... 146 00:08:36,285 --> 00:08:37,285 OK. 147 00:08:37,305 --> 00:08:39,205 ..and there was actually some talk, some chatter on there 148 00:08:39,225 --> 00:08:41,565 from people who had seen this thing coming across the sky. 149 00:08:41,585 --> 00:08:44,405 And as he's looking up from dash 150 00:08:44,425 --> 00:08:48,385 he sees this brilliant fiery object moving across the sky from Norvelt. 151 00:08:48,405 --> 00:08:49,505 BEN: Across the sky? 152 00:08:49,525 --> 00:08:50,585 I've never known a meteor 153 00:08:51,105 --> 00:08:53,225 where I could get that communication 154 00:08:53,245 --> 00:08:56,265 and go out and look in the sky and it still be there. 155 00:08:56,285 --> 00:08:59,205 I mean meteor's come down like this, you know, 156 00:08:59,225 --> 00:09:01,125 within a second or two. 157 00:09:01,145 --> 00:09:03,105 When they pass over you they're gone. 158 00:09:03,125 --> 00:09:05,205 So, it amazes me that if this was a meteor 159 00:09:05,225 --> 00:09:07,365 he's hearing this and has time enough 160 00:09:07,385 --> 00:09:10,345 to, to get out, look up from his car 161 00:09:10,365 --> 00:09:12,385 and still see this thing and then see it change direction. 162 00:09:17,165 --> 00:09:20,305 STAN: One of the witnesses who a volunteer fireman... 163 00:09:21,365 --> 00:09:24,425 he had been called out to search for a possible downed aircraft. 164 00:09:27,385 --> 00:09:29,525 So, he and his two guys hurried over 165 00:09:29,545 --> 00:09:31,325 and there was a little embankment there... 166 00:09:33,485 --> 00:09:35,245 and that's when they come across 167 00:09:35,265 --> 00:09:38,245 this large metallic acorn-shaped object 168 00:09:38,265 --> 00:09:39,345 right there in the ground. 169 00:09:45,105 --> 00:09:48,225 He said, this was big enough f or a man to stand inside up, 170 00:09:48,245 --> 00:09:50,105 approximately 10 to 12 feet in length, 171 00:09:50,125 --> 00:09:51,345 about eight to ten feet in diameter. 172 00:09:51,365 --> 00:09:55,105 But on the back of the object, like the back of the acorn 173 00:09:55,125 --> 00:09:56,165 there were raised up markings 174 00:09:56,185 --> 00:09:58,525 that looked more like symbols than writing. 175 00:10:00,485 --> 00:10:02,145 NARRATOR: According to eye-witnesses 176 00:10:02,165 --> 00:10:05,505 the symbols were not from any recognisable human language. 177 00:10:06,585 --> 00:10:08,345 STAN: So, as they're down there... 178 00:10:10,585 --> 00:10:17,205 two men came down through the woods and right behind them are soldiers. 179 00:10:18,425 --> 00:10:20,525 Looked at the object, looked at them and said, 180 00:10:21,525 --> 00:10:26,325 "This area's now quarantined. You need to leave here immediately." 181 00:10:30,465 --> 00:10:31,545 Wow! 182 00:10:31,565 --> 00:10:34,425 So, what happens after the military pushes everybody outta there? 183 00:10:34,445 --> 00:10:37,345 Some of the witnesses back then were young kids or teenagers 184 00:10:37,365 --> 00:10:38,485 and some of these teenagers 185 00:10:38,505 --> 00:10:42,265 apparently found a way through some of the road blocks... 186 00:10:44,285 --> 00:10:47,545 and one of the witnesses saw something interesting too. 187 00:10:50,165 --> 00:10:52,285 While they were down there hiding in the woods 188 00:10:52,305 --> 00:10:54,325 and I can see his voice begin to tremble 189 00:10:54,345 --> 00:10:55,545 and he said, "I swear to God, sir, 190 00:10:55,565 --> 00:10:57,325 "there was something inside of that thing." 191 00:11:07,205 --> 00:11:09,405 NARRATOR: Ben Hansen is in Kecksburg, Pennsylvania 192 00:11:09,425 --> 00:11:11,425 investigating a string of UFO sightings... 193 00:11:11,445 --> 00:11:14,105 I'd never seen anything like that in the sky. 194 00:11:15,085 --> 00:11:16,305 ..that have been plaguing locals 195 00:11:16,325 --> 00:11:19,565 since a UFO crashed outside the town in 1965. 196 00:11:20,405 --> 00:11:24,445 RON: It was an orange streak kinda across the horizon. 197 00:11:24,465 --> 00:11:27,165 NARRATOR: What did witnesses see in the woods that night? 198 00:11:28,545 --> 00:11:30,425 There was something inside of that thing. 199 00:11:33,185 --> 00:11:34,245 And he goes on to tell me 200 00:11:34,265 --> 00:11:37,425 how a military officer jumped on top of the object... 201 00:11:39,485 --> 00:11:40,505 and struck the object. 202 00:11:45,565 --> 00:11:50,145 He said, moments later, this hatch opens from the object... 203 00:11:56,465 --> 00:11:58,345 ..he said it was a matter of seconds, 204 00:11:58,365 --> 00:12:01,565 I can hear metal on metal hitting, I, I and it closed. 205 00:12:03,345 --> 00:12:06,165 And then they all start screaming and yelling, "Hurry up, hurry up. 206 00:12:06,185 --> 00:12:07,305 "We don't have much time." 207 00:12:09,385 --> 00:12:12,185 And that's when they lifted it on to the flatbed truck 208 00:12:12,205 --> 00:12:13,245 and got it outta there. 209 00:12:14,185 --> 00:12:15,385 Wow. 210 00:12:17,125 --> 00:12:21,125 NARRATOR: Stan details countless eyewitness reports to Ben. 211 00:12:21,145 --> 00:12:22,225 A lot of these people said 212 00:12:22,245 --> 00:12:24,305 "I would swear under oath about what we saw." 213 00:12:24,325 --> 00:12:26,305 NARRATOR: Nothing supports the Government's claims 214 00:12:26,325 --> 00:12:28,465 that a meteor crashed here that night, 215 00:12:28,485 --> 00:12:31,305 leading Ben to believe the truth has been covered up. 216 00:12:33,445 --> 00:12:36,565 In hopes of discovering what really happened in Kecksburg, 217 00:12:37,085 --> 00:12:39,205 Ben contacts Jennie Zeidman. 218 00:12:40,225 --> 00:12:43,445 The last remaining member of the top secret Government program, 219 00:12:43,465 --> 00:12:45,165 Project Blue Book. 220 00:12:45,185 --> 00:12:47,345 Starting in 1952, 221 00:12:47,365 --> 00:12:51,085 Blue Book investigated thousands of UFO encounters... 222 00:12:52,185 --> 00:12:54,405 and Jenny kept files on all of them, 223 00:12:54,425 --> 00:12:58,305 including one on the 1965 Kecksburg incident. 224 00:13:03,385 --> 00:13:05,465 It's so nice to see you again, Jenny. 225 00:13:05,485 --> 00:13:07,465 How do you do? Good. 226 00:13:07,485 --> 00:13:09,225 I just met with Stan Gordon 227 00:13:09,245 --> 00:13:11,245 who interviewed hundreds of witnesses. 228 00:13:11,265 --> 00:13:14,085 They claim a UFO crashed in the woods 229 00:13:14,105 --> 00:13:16,505 and military personnel carried something away. 230 00:13:17,345 --> 00:13:20,325 Yeah, we have a lot of really good stuff 231 00:13:20,345 --> 00:13:22,225 to share with you. Oh, I, I can't wait. 232 00:13:23,205 --> 00:13:25,565 NARRATOR: Joining Jennie and Ben on the investigation 233 00:13:26,085 --> 00:13:28,205 is UFO Historian, Mark O'Connell. 234 00:13:30,365 --> 00:13:34,245 People just flocked to this, to this alleged crash site. 235 00:13:35,305 --> 00:13:36,425 Is this the Blue Book file there? 236 00:13:36,445 --> 00:13:37,545 Yeah, this is. 237 00:13:40,445 --> 00:13:42,325 December 9th... 238 00:13:43,345 --> 00:13:45,285 1965. Mm-mm. 239 00:13:45,305 --> 00:13:47,445 "Conclusion, meteor." 240 00:13:49,205 --> 00:13:51,545 So, this is one of the news reports. 241 00:13:51,565 --> 00:13:56,245 "Officials state that a meteorite was probably the cause of it all... 242 00:13:57,385 --> 00:14:02,205 "but the object was travelling much too slow for a meteorite. 243 00:14:02,225 --> 00:14:05,145 "There is also evidence 244 00:14:07,465 --> 00:14:11,225 You've got witnesses who say that this slowed down 245 00:14:11,245 --> 00:14:13,285 and then changed direction. 246 00:14:14,565 --> 00:14:19,325 The idea that, that this object was a meteor... 247 00:14:21,105 --> 00:14:24,085 that's about as ludicrous as I've heard. 248 00:14:25,125 --> 00:14:27,165 Jennie, what's your overall opinion? 249 00:14:27,185 --> 00:14:28,265 Do you think it's possible 250 00:14:28,285 --> 00:14:32,145 the Government covered up a UFO crash in Kecksburg? 251 00:14:32,165 --> 00:14:33,365 Oh, sure. 252 00:14:36,345 --> 00:14:38,485 So why, why do you think 253 00:14:38,505 --> 00:14:41,385 that the Government seems to still be hiding 254 00:14:41,405 --> 00:14:44,265 these close calls that we've had with UFOs? 255 00:14:47,105 --> 00:14:48,465 Because that shows our weakness. 256 00:14:49,385 --> 00:14:53,165 That we can't control or, or anticipate. 257 00:14:53,485 --> 00:14:57,425 That is going to mean that we're the victims. 258 00:14:59,085 --> 00:15:01,405 Do you think we should prepare for the worst then? 259 00:15:01,425 --> 00:15:04,405 We can't. What can we do? 260 00:15:04,425 --> 00:15:08,125 They're, they're so far ahead of us technologically. 261 00:15:08,145 --> 00:15:12,425 I'll fly really off the handle and say, say we're doomed. 262 00:15:15,285 --> 00:15:16,385 NARRATOR: But Jennie has a lead 263 00:15:16,405 --> 00:15:18,465 on the truth behind the Kecksburg incident. 264 00:15:20,105 --> 00:15:24,445 In 1965, Project Blue Book interviewed eyewitness, Ron Struble, 265 00:15:24,465 --> 00:15:26,325 when he was 22 years old. 266 00:15:29,465 --> 00:15:33,385 RON: It was an orange streak that cut across the horizon. 267 00:15:36,525 --> 00:15:39,105 Now it disappeared into the woods. 268 00:15:43,165 --> 00:15:45,165 NARRATOR: And after 55 years, 269 00:15:45,185 --> 00:15:49,105 Struble has agreed to meet with Ben and lead him to the crash site. 270 00:15:49,385 --> 00:15:52,125 JENNIE: If one of these objects crashed 271 00:15:52,145 --> 00:15:55,105 there would be debris on site. 272 00:15:57,265 --> 00:15:59,445 Alright guys, well, thank you so much for your help 273 00:15:59,465 --> 00:16:02,145 and we're relatively close to Pennsylvania. 274 00:16:02,165 --> 00:16:04,085 So, I'm gonna head up that way 275 00:16:04,105 --> 00:16:06,365 and start looking into some of these possible witnesses 276 00:16:06,385 --> 00:16:07,405 that are still around 277 00:16:07,425 --> 00:16:09,565 and, and I'd like to go out to the site myself. 278 00:16:10,345 --> 00:16:11,465 So, thank you. 279 00:16:11,485 --> 00:16:12,545 We thank you. 280 00:16:21,325 --> 00:16:22,445 NARRATOR: Jennie Zeidman confirmed 281 00:16:22,465 --> 00:16:26,345 it was no meteor that crashed outside Kecksburg in 1965. 282 00:16:27,245 --> 00:16:29,285 To help Ben expose the Government cover-up 283 00:16:29,305 --> 00:16:31,365 she connects him with two eyewitnesses 284 00:16:31,385 --> 00:16:35,105 who claim they saw a UFO in the woods that night. 285 00:16:39,425 --> 00:16:40,525 Hi. 286 00:16:40,545 --> 00:16:41,545 BILL: Hi. 287 00:16:42,065 --> 00:16:43,405 You must be Ron and Bill. 288 00:16:43,425 --> 00:16:45,165 RON: Man of the hour. 289 00:16:45,185 --> 00:16:46,245 Nice to meet you.Ben. 290 00:16:46,265 --> 00:16:47,305 Nice to meet you. 291 00:16:48,085 --> 00:16:51,445 NARRATOR: Ron was 22 years old when he was interviewed 292 00:16:51,465 --> 00:16:54,085 by investigators from Project Blue Book. 293 00:16:55,265 --> 00:16:58,125 There was smoke going across the horizon 294 00:16:58,145 --> 00:17:01,325 and then the object crashed in the Kecksburg area. 295 00:17:02,165 --> 00:17:04,125 NARRATOR: Bill Weaver was 19 at the time. 296 00:17:04,145 --> 00:17:07,305 After hearing reports of the crash on the radio, 297 00:17:07,325 --> 00:17:08,445 he rushed out to the site 298 00:17:08,465 --> 00:17:12,485 where he saw an eerie blue light emanating from the woods. 299 00:17:14,365 --> 00:17:16,265 Thank you so much for meeting me here. 300 00:17:17,065 --> 00:17:20,085 I've heard a lot about how you can fill in the blanks 301 00:17:20,105 --> 00:17:21,405 of what happened on this night. 302 00:17:23,545 --> 00:17:29,165 By the time I got out to Kecksburg, the military was already here. 303 00:17:29,545 --> 00:17:33,465 They had the, the roads blocked and everybody thought there was a, 304 00:17:33,485 --> 00:17:37,105 you know, an aeroplane or something that crashed in the area. 305 00:17:37,125 --> 00:17:41,165 We could just look down in the hole and see, you know, 306 00:17:41,185 --> 00:17:45,265 guys running back and forth towards the site. 307 00:17:47,325 --> 00:17:49,225 Where were you and how did it all start for you? 308 00:17:51,065 --> 00:17:52,545 BILL: I was just out cruising. 309 00:17:53,065 --> 00:17:55,365 There was people standing alongside the road. 310 00:17:56,465 --> 00:17:57,465 I looked down in there... 311 00:17:58,545 --> 00:18:03,085 and I could see where something had just ploughed into the ground. 312 00:18:06,365 --> 00:18:10,225 And there was a light emulating off of that object. 313 00:18:12,185 --> 00:18:16,125 The military's all over the place. State police is all over the place. 314 00:18:17,445 --> 00:18:21,365 At this point too, there's a big truck pulls in. 315 00:18:23,245 --> 00:18:25,245 There's four guys gets out of this truck... 316 00:18:26,505 --> 00:18:27,525 with a box. 317 00:18:29,225 --> 00:18:31,425 But they were wearing moon suits... 318 00:18:33,265 --> 00:18:37,425 and they carried that thing down into the woods to that object. 319 00:18:39,065 --> 00:18:40,345 MAN: Sir, you're gonna have to leave. 320 00:18:41,165 --> 00:18:42,545 And the men in the dark suits 321 00:18:43,065 --> 00:18:46,125 seemed to have the power over everybody. 322 00:18:50,185 --> 00:18:53,105 Now my father was a foreman on State highways 323 00:18:53,125 --> 00:18:55,485 and he was always out checking the roads 324 00:18:55,505 --> 00:18:59,225 and he watched 'em haul that thing outta here. 325 00:19:00,085 --> 00:19:02,205 But he said it was covered with a tarp. 326 00:19:03,145 --> 00:19:05,285 A trailer truck with a tarp over it? Yes. 327 00:19:06,185 --> 00:19:10,545 If they weren't expecting or, or had a plan for this sort of thing 328 00:19:11,065 --> 00:19:12,525 how does a box truck show up 329 00:19:12,545 --> 00:19:15,285 with four military guys and a crate. 330 00:19:16,405 --> 00:19:20,165 How does that make you feel regardless of what this was? 331 00:19:20,185 --> 00:19:24,265 That the official story is, "We didn't recover anything." 332 00:19:27,065 --> 00:19:30,305 For years we've been told that the military wasn't there. 333 00:19:30,325 --> 00:19:31,365 Well that's a falsey. 334 00:19:31,385 --> 00:19:34,445 Whatever branch they were, they were there. 335 00:19:35,385 --> 00:19:39,065 What do you tell people who believe that official story 336 00:19:39,085 --> 00:19:40,365 and they say, "No, no, no. 337 00:19:40,385 --> 00:19:42,125 "The, the reports that came out 338 00:19:42,145 --> 00:19:43,385 "and everything says military were never there." 339 00:19:43,405 --> 00:19:46,285 So, you guys are, in essence, lying. 340 00:19:46,305 --> 00:19:48,085 What do you tell those people? 341 00:19:48,525 --> 00:19:50,205 Somebody's not gonna tell me 342 00:19:50,225 --> 00:19:52,505 that it didn't happen because I was there. 343 00:19:54,525 --> 00:19:58,225 It landed in our little town, OK? So something happened. 344 00:20:05,325 --> 00:20:08,505 What you haven't really told me is what you think it is. 345 00:20:08,525 --> 00:20:11,505 I don't know if it's something out of this world or not, 346 00:20:11,525 --> 00:20:13,265 it makes me wonder. 347 00:20:13,285 --> 00:20:15,265 It could be something alien. 348 00:20:18,145 --> 00:20:21,305 Our Government knows. They won't tell us. 349 00:20:22,265 --> 00:20:23,445 Give us those reports... 350 00:20:24,465 --> 00:20:27,405 nothing blacked out on 'em, tell us what that was. 351 00:20:29,385 --> 00:20:31,445 That's what all of us want 352 00:20:31,465 --> 00:20:34,165 but I don't know that that's ever gonna happen. 353 00:20:34,185 --> 00:20:37,385 Well, then it's time to hunt for proof ourselves. 354 00:20:37,405 --> 00:20:41,305 Ron, Jennie Zeidman says that you know where the UFO crashed. 355 00:20:42,185 --> 00:20:44,525 JENNIE: If one of these objects crashed 356 00:20:44,545 --> 00:20:47,325 there would be debris on site. 357 00:20:48,425 --> 00:20:50,485 BEN: I would love to go to the crash site. 358 00:20:50,505 --> 00:20:53,205 Do you remember how to get to that location? 359 00:20:54,305 --> 00:20:55,305 Yes. 360 00:20:55,325 --> 00:20:56,345 Let's do it. 361 00:20:57,385 --> 00:21:01,425 NARRATOR: Ron and Bill's description of the events of December 9th, 1965, 362 00:21:01,445 --> 00:21:02,445 leave little doubt 363 00:21:02,465 --> 00:21:05,265 as to what happened in the woods that fateful night. 364 00:21:05,285 --> 00:21:09,445 Now, Ben will attempt to recover physical evidence from the crash site 365 00:21:09,465 --> 00:21:11,185 and validate their claims. 366 00:21:14,085 --> 00:21:17,185 If we can pinpoint the exact location where this happened 367 00:21:17,205 --> 00:21:20,425 I plan on doing a basic field survey. 368 00:21:20,445 --> 00:21:23,385 So metal detecting, Geiger counters, 369 00:21:23,405 --> 00:21:28,265 looking for any affect this object may have had on the vegetation. 370 00:21:28,285 --> 00:21:30,445 Anything that looks out of place. 371 00:21:30,465 --> 00:21:32,405 And it's really no implausible 372 00:21:32,425 --> 00:21:34,305 that we would find that after all these years. 373 00:21:36,305 --> 00:21:38,305 So, Stan Gordon, a local researcher 374 00:21:38,325 --> 00:21:42,065 told me that the fireball came from this direction. 375 00:21:42,385 --> 00:21:45,325 It comes over the town, basically, comes to this point 376 00:21:45,345 --> 00:21:48,365 and takes a very drastic turn in the other direction 377 00:21:48,385 --> 00:21:50,325 before it settles into the ravine. 378 00:21:52,185 --> 00:21:56,205 Most of the, the witnesses watched the recovery effort 379 00:21:56,225 --> 00:21:57,225 from this position. 380 00:21:57,505 --> 00:21:59,545 I'm excited to get down in there. 381 00:22:00,065 --> 00:22:04,085 NARRATOR: Ron Struble will lead Ben down to the crash site. 382 00:22:04,105 --> 00:22:06,085 Ron, do you wanna lead me down here? 383 00:22:07,105 --> 00:22:10,065 I imagine it would be quite a recovery effort. 384 00:22:10,445 --> 00:22:13,105 Yeah, it's getting pretty thick in here. 385 00:22:14,365 --> 00:22:16,445 You see that clearing down there, that's where we're going. 386 00:22:16,465 --> 00:22:17,545 OK. 387 00:22:24,245 --> 00:22:25,305 We are... 388 00:22:27,085 --> 00:22:28,325 right in the location, right here. 389 00:22:31,305 --> 00:22:33,145 But it was in, in here. 390 00:22:33,165 --> 00:22:34,245 In here? Yeah. 391 00:22:34,265 --> 00:22:35,325 Like, right where I'm standing? 392 00:22:39,325 --> 00:22:41,545 It's almost just like I pictured it. 393 00:22:42,485 --> 00:22:46,365 You know I, I had in my mind that night what was going on... 394 00:22:47,545 --> 00:22:51,185 and I pictured military men with search lights... 395 00:22:52,405 --> 00:22:54,145 and a big excavation and ... 396 00:22:55,365 --> 00:22:58,105 maybe a little bit of, of fear as they're trying to hurry 397 00:22:58,125 --> 00:23:00,065 and scoop this thing up and take it out. 398 00:23:01,525 --> 00:23:04,345 We could very well be standing on the exact place 399 00:23:04,365 --> 00:23:07,225 where a UFO crashed in 1965. 400 00:23:08,125 --> 00:23:11,065 But I'm really interested in some of these treetops 401 00:23:11,085 --> 00:23:12,445 that seem to be kinda sheared off... 402 00:23:14,205 --> 00:23:15,365 at the top... 403 00:23:15,385 --> 00:23:18,465 similar to what the witnesses described happened. 404 00:23:18,485 --> 00:23:20,285 That some of the, the trees were cut off 405 00:23:20,305 --> 00:23:21,525 as the object came through, 406 00:23:21,545 --> 00:23:23,425 and kinda crashed in here. 407 00:23:24,545 --> 00:23:26,265 NARRATOR: And from the air, 408 00:23:26,285 --> 00:23:29,225 one can almost make out an actual crash site. 409 00:23:30,065 --> 00:23:31,085 So, what I'm thinking is, 410 00:23:31,105 --> 00:23:32,385 I'm going to do a baseline EMF reading 411 00:23:32,405 --> 00:23:36,445 and then I'd like to start with a sweep of the general area 412 00:23:36,465 --> 00:23:37,505 using the metal detector. 413 00:23:38,445 --> 00:23:41,405 We've also got ground penetrating radar. 414 00:23:41,425 --> 00:23:43,285 Charles should be here in a minute 415 00:23:43,305 --> 00:23:45,105 and he's got a kind of an all-terrain 416 00:23:45,125 --> 00:23:46,225 ground penetrating radar 417 00:23:46,245 --> 00:23:48,125 that we can go over the area and look for anything. 418 00:23:51,105 --> 00:23:52,305 So, could you explain to me 419 00:23:52,325 --> 00:23:54,545 exactly how this works and what we're gonna be doing? 420 00:23:55,345 --> 00:23:57,385 I'm gonna be scanning the area, 421 00:23:57,405 --> 00:23:59,485 it emits it's signal down into the ground, 422 00:23:59,505 --> 00:24:01,305 pops back up on the screen. 423 00:24:01,325 --> 00:24:05,305 It can go from 6 inches to 67 feet. 424 00:24:06,105 --> 00:24:07,105 OK. 425 00:24:28,105 --> 00:24:31,165 CHARLES: Ben? Think I got something. 426 00:24:37,125 --> 00:24:41,165 NARRATOR: In 1965 witnesses claim a UFO crashed in the woods 427 00:24:41,185 --> 00:24:42,425 outside Kecksburg, Pennsylvania. 428 00:24:42,445 --> 00:24:46,505 Shortly after, a military crew descended on the scene 429 00:24:46,525 --> 00:24:48,245 and cleared the site. 430 00:24:48,265 --> 00:24:52,185 Fifty-five years later, investigator, Ben Hansen, 431 00:24:52,205 --> 00:24:54,445 hopes to find any traces of a UFO 432 00:24:54,465 --> 00:24:56,345 overlooked by the Government clean-up. 433 00:24:56,365 --> 00:24:58,365 BEN: We've got ground penetrating radar. 434 00:25:08,345 --> 00:25:09,485 CHARLES: Ben? 435 00:25:10,365 --> 00:25:12,245 I think I got something. 436 00:25:15,285 --> 00:25:16,345 What have you got? 437 00:25:18,185 --> 00:25:21,105 Right under, right under this flag here... 438 00:25:21,125 --> 00:25:23,145 OK. ..I found this. 439 00:25:23,165 --> 00:25:24,165 It's a little... 440 00:25:24,185 --> 00:25:26,405 it's denser than anything else that's in here. 441 00:25:26,425 --> 00:25:30,205 It's a lot brighter and-- Whoa! 442 00:25:34,225 --> 00:25:36,265 Alright, so now the real work begins. 443 00:25:37,365 --> 00:25:41,265 Charles has found something so need to grab our shovel 444 00:25:41,285 --> 00:25:43,345 and see if we can get down to where this is. 445 00:25:51,525 --> 00:25:53,265 Now, I'm more curious than ever. 446 00:25:54,365 --> 00:25:55,485 Ah! 447 00:25:57,465 --> 00:26:00,185 Imagine what we could find in here, like... 448 00:26:02,125 --> 00:26:06,145 if they did excavatings as they pulled this wreckage out, 449 00:26:06,165 --> 00:26:09,265 if they left some chunk that got overlooked, 450 00:26:09,285 --> 00:26:10,525 it would break this case wide open. 451 00:26:21,145 --> 00:26:25,485 Let's see what you are. Argh! Pepsi! 452 00:26:27,085 --> 00:26:30,325 This kinda gives you an, an idea how old this trash is... 453 00:26:30,345 --> 00:26:33,525 it's an old Pepsi can with the, the tab you pull back. 454 00:26:35,365 --> 00:26:37,165 The markings on the trees 455 00:26:37,185 --> 00:26:39,105 and the damage to the tops, 456 00:26:39,125 --> 00:26:43,205 not to mention what appears to be the scars of an old crash site 457 00:26:43,225 --> 00:26:45,465 could suggest that a huge object 458 00:26:45,485 --> 00:26:48,265 entered from the direction described by the eyewitnesses. 459 00:26:50,085 --> 00:26:53,065 What came out of the forest that night in Kecksburg 460 00:26:53,085 --> 00:26:54,425 and where did it go? 461 00:26:55,405 --> 00:26:58,045 NARRATOR: While Ben found no conclusive evidence 462 00:26:58,065 --> 00:26:59,265 of a UFO at the site, 463 00:26:59,285 --> 00:27:01,525 the signs of a crash are still evident to this day. 464 00:27:02,045 --> 00:27:04,225 So, to continue his investigation, 465 00:27:04,245 --> 00:27:06,445 he heads to the Centre for UFO Studies. 466 00:27:11,185 --> 00:27:14,445 I have a number of documents here to go through and review 467 00:27:14,465 --> 00:27:16,485 including the Blue Book files. 468 00:27:16,505 --> 00:27:21,205 Hopefully some of this is going to shed some on Kecksburg. 469 00:27:22,285 --> 00:27:25,385 NARRATOR: The Centre for UFO Studies or CUFOS 470 00:27:25,405 --> 00:27:27,505 is a collective of ufologists 471 00:27:27,525 --> 00:27:30,345 who share their findings on the world's UFO sightings. 472 00:27:31,165 --> 00:27:34,205 Their facility contains all of Jennie Zeidman's 473 00:27:34,225 --> 00:27:36,165 and J Allen Hynek's Blue Book files 474 00:27:36,185 --> 00:27:40,225 as well as countless other exhaustively documented encounters. 475 00:27:40,245 --> 00:27:41,285 If there is any proof 476 00:27:41,305 --> 00:27:44,105 of a Government-backed cover-up at Kecksburg, 477 00:27:44,125 --> 00:27:45,465 it's within these walls. 478 00:27:48,265 --> 00:27:50,365 The official story on this case 479 00:27:50,385 --> 00:27:52,505 is quite different than what the witnesses claim. 480 00:27:54,345 --> 00:27:59,085 The witnesses swear that it wasn't a meteor that landed. 481 00:27:59,105 --> 00:28:02,305 They know for certain after 55 years 482 00:28:02,325 --> 00:28:05,405 they saw things being removed by the Air Force. 483 00:28:05,425 --> 00:28:07,185 But where? Where does it go? 484 00:28:18,125 --> 00:28:20,505 NARRATOR: Finally, he uncovers a significant lead. 485 00:28:20,525 --> 00:28:26,045 A response from NASA to a 2003 Freedom of Information Request 486 00:28:26,065 --> 00:28:30,285 for all Federal documents related to the Kecksburg UFO incident. 487 00:28:34,525 --> 00:28:36,425 This is like a deep rabbit hole 488 00:28:36,445 --> 00:28:40,065 because there's been multiple requests made over the years 489 00:28:40,085 --> 00:28:43,185 but if I'm following 490 00:28:44,305 --> 00:28:46,445 this is pretty big news. 491 00:28:46,465 --> 00:28:53,145 I mean OK, so Leslie Kean, she is a well known UFO researcher 492 00:28:53,165 --> 00:28:55,245 and she kinda spearheaded this. 493 00:28:55,265 --> 00:28:59,465 It looks like in 2003 she made a her main FOIA request. 494 00:29:01,345 --> 00:29:03,225 NARRATOR: The Freedom Of Information Act 495 00:29:03,245 --> 00:29:06,365 requires the release of previously confidential files 496 00:29:06,385 --> 00:29:08,385 when requested by members of the public. 497 00:29:09,425 --> 00:29:14,265 She specifically asked for two boxes that belong to the fragology files. 498 00:29:14,285 --> 00:29:19,085 Now, fragology is like the study of fragments, face fragments, right? 499 00:29:19,105 --> 00:29:21,525 Supposedly NASA had collected some, 500 00:29:22,045 --> 00:29:24,525 some metal materials related to Kecksburg. 501 00:29:25,045 --> 00:29:26,445 Yet, they said... 502 00:29:27,345 --> 00:29:32,425 "Our records indicate that the boxes were identified as missing in 1987 503 00:29:32,445 --> 00:29:35,345 "and have not been located since that date." 504 00:29:36,445 --> 00:29:39,165 Things just kind of disappear? 505 00:29:40,125 --> 00:29:41,325 NARRATOR: According to the report, 506 00:29:41,345 --> 00:29:44,445 NASA claimed to have lost or destroyed all evidence 507 00:29:44,465 --> 00:29:46,305 related to the Kecksburg case... 508 00:29:47,405 --> 00:29:50,105 including a box that contained metal fragments 509 00:29:50,125 --> 00:29:52,145 recovered from the crash site. 510 00:29:52,425 --> 00:29:57,065 Two boxes of material that NASA supposedly had of the debris 511 00:29:57,085 --> 00:29:59,405 are missing since 1987 512 00:29:59,425 --> 00:30:02,285 and they have no idea where they are. 513 00:30:05,385 --> 00:30:07,085 NARRATOR: What were these metal fragments 514 00:30:07,105 --> 00:30:08,105 found at the site 515 00:30:08,125 --> 00:30:11,425 and why was the box supposedly lost or destroyed? 516 00:30:13,305 --> 00:30:18,165 This MO, unfortunately, has played out so many times 517 00:30:18,185 --> 00:30:19,425 when there's something so big 518 00:30:19,445 --> 00:30:23,205 it seems like the Government just does not want to talk about. 519 00:30:23,225 --> 00:30:26,325 And it makes you wonder if we can trust anything 520 00:30:26,345 --> 00:30:28,225 when it comes to the official narrative. 521 00:30:30,205 --> 00:30:33,165 NARRATOR: The files also reveal the name of an eyewitness 522 00:30:33,185 --> 00:30:36,265 who lived across the street from the crash site in 1965. 523 00:30:37,165 --> 00:30:40,465 Ben has located him and set up a meeting. 524 00:30:46,365 --> 00:30:48,305 Hi, you just be John? Yeah. 525 00:30:48,325 --> 00:30:50,105 Ben. Hi. 526 00:30:50,125 --> 00:30:51,405 Pleasure to meet you. 527 00:30:51,425 --> 00:30:56,165 So, you kinda had a front row seat to the whole event. 528 00:30:56,185 --> 00:30:57,305 Yeah, sure did. 529 00:30:57,325 --> 00:31:00,105 So, how old were you at the time? 530 00:31:00,125 --> 00:31:01,525 I was ten years old. 531 00:31:02,465 --> 00:31:06,185 Can you tell me what happened with you that night? 532 00:31:06,205 --> 00:31:08,245 Where were you and how did it all start for you? 533 00:31:09,265 --> 00:31:12,205 Well, we was actually outside in the yard playing football 534 00:31:12,225 --> 00:31:14,325 and we walked in the house 535 00:31:14,345 --> 00:31:19,105 and mum and dad was talking about something crashing. 536 00:31:31,045 --> 00:31:33,045 Mum walked over to the window... 537 00:31:34,445 --> 00:31:37,365 and she's looking out the road across the hill. 538 00:31:49,125 --> 00:31:51,165 JOHN: And then, got a knock on the door and... 539 00:31:53,405 --> 00:31:56,465 and then there were some guys that came in and they was in... 540 00:31:57,465 --> 00:31:59,265 they looked like black suits. 541 00:32:02,165 --> 00:32:04,465 And they wanted the kids to go to bed 542 00:32:04,485 --> 00:32:07,085 so we wouldn't hear what was going on. 543 00:32:13,125 --> 00:32:14,465 They used out house phone. 544 00:32:26,385 --> 00:32:28,345 And then I'm watching out of my bedroom window. 545 00:32:29,425 --> 00:32:32,165 NARRATOR: What he saw in the hours that followed 546 00:32:32,185 --> 00:32:34,085 are forever etched in his mind. 547 00:32:39,185 --> 00:32:41,325 JOHN: It went down in empty 548 00:32:41,345 --> 00:32:43,485 and they come out with something on the back of it. 549 00:32:52,425 --> 00:32:54,485 And then as the guys was coming through... 550 00:32:55,465 --> 00:32:57,125 they was carrying this box... 551 00:32:57,505 --> 00:33:01,285 and they was in like, white moon suits is what I call 'em. 552 00:33:04,085 --> 00:33:07,205 NARRATOR: Could this be the box that contained the metal fragments 553 00:33:07,225 --> 00:33:09,445 that were supposedly lost or destroyed by the Government? 554 00:33:17,125 --> 00:33:18,525 JOHN: I never seen those guys after that. 555 00:33:21,265 --> 00:33:23,365 They knew what they was coming in to do 556 00:33:23,385 --> 00:33:25,445 and they got it done and got out of there. 557 00:33:26,485 --> 00:33:30,105 I can see people walking down across the field. 558 00:33:37,185 --> 00:33:39,465 Whatever they took outta there 559 00:33:39,485 --> 00:33:41,225 they didn't want people to know about it. 560 00:33:47,345 --> 00:33:51,025 NARRATOR: Former Federal Agent and UFO expert, Ben Hansen, 561 00:33:51,045 --> 00:33:55,185 is investigating the 1965 Kecksburg UFO crash incident. 562 00:33:56,165 --> 00:33:58,185 According to his research, 563 00:33:58,205 --> 00:34:01,145 the Government may have destroyed or lost the box 564 00:34:01,165 --> 00:34:03,385 containing metal fragments from the site. 565 00:34:06,505 --> 00:34:08,365 JOHN: They went down in the woods with it. 566 00:34:11,265 --> 00:34:13,045 I never seen the box after that. 567 00:34:18,465 --> 00:34:20,265 So, did you ask your dad? 568 00:34:20,285 --> 00:34:21,505 You said he didn't really talk about this at all. 569 00:34:22,025 --> 00:34:24,145 My dad would not talk about it. 570 00:34:24,165 --> 00:34:28,185 In fact a lot of people round there, none of 'em would talk about it. 571 00:34:29,265 --> 00:34:32,285 Wow! So did you ask your dad? 572 00:34:32,305 --> 00:34:34,205 You said he didn't really talk about this at all. 573 00:34:34,225 --> 00:34:36,365 Did he ever identify who these other... 574 00:34:36,385 --> 00:34:38,345 like the men in black were or anything like that? 575 00:34:38,365 --> 00:34:41,025 No. My dad would not talk about it. 576 00:34:41,045 --> 00:34:45,185 In fact a lot of people round there that owned properly and stuff, 577 00:34:45,205 --> 00:34:47,405 none of 'em would talk about it. 578 00:34:48,185 --> 00:34:50,485 Wow! Wow! 579 00:34:50,505 --> 00:34:52,365 And your dad never changed his story, 580 00:34:52,385 --> 00:34:54,045 never came out and talked about it? 581 00:34:54,065 --> 00:34:56,185 No. He never, never said anything about it. 582 00:34:56,205 --> 00:34:59,185 Do you feel that perhaps his prior service... 583 00:35:00,185 --> 00:35:01,185 All I know is-- 584 00:35:01,205 --> 00:35:04,025 ..fact of when the men talked to him and they, 585 00:35:04,045 --> 00:35:07,145 whatever they said he just obeyed because he was a-- 586 00:35:07,165 --> 00:35:09,505 Well, I know he said that... 587 00:35:10,485 --> 00:35:12,105 he wouldn't talk about it 588 00:35:12,125 --> 00:35:14,085 because it had something to do with... 589 00:35:15,245 --> 00:35:16,285 his discharge. 590 00:35:18,065 --> 00:35:20,365 Something to do with his discharge? Yeah. 591 00:35:21,165 --> 00:35:24,325 I don't know what it... they would... 592 00:35:25,185 --> 00:35:28,485 it would change the outcome of his discharge or something. 593 00:35:28,505 --> 00:35:30,285 Are you serious? Yes. 594 00:35:30,305 --> 00:35:31,405 That gives me chills. 595 00:35:32,325 --> 00:35:37,285 So, in essence they might've been threatening him and saying 596 00:35:37,305 --> 00:35:39,105 "Hey, if you don't co-operate here 597 00:35:39,125 --> 00:35:41,445 "you're not gonna get your, your pension. 598 00:35:41,465 --> 00:35:43,025 "You're not gonna get your--" 599 00:35:43,305 --> 00:35:45,085 Basically, yeah. 600 00:35:45,445 --> 00:35:48,505 So he, he at least gave you that much and then he was just-- 601 00:35:49,025 --> 00:35:50,165 That's, that's all he'd tell us. 602 00:35:51,025 --> 00:35:53,385 NARRATOR: Still John's family was curious enough 603 00:35:53,405 --> 00:35:54,485 to dig a little deeper. 604 00:35:55,285 --> 00:35:59,265 We went and, and got records for our house phone. 605 00:35:59,285 --> 00:36:00,365 BEN: You did?! 606 00:36:00,385 --> 00:36:02,445 We just wanted to see who they was calling. 607 00:36:02,465 --> 00:36:04,265 Mm-mm. We got 'em. 608 00:36:04,285 --> 00:36:06,405 We thought maybe they would tell us... 609 00:36:07,445 --> 00:36:11,045 where this thing went and who was dealing with things 610 00:36:11,065 --> 00:36:13,025 or what it could've been. 611 00:36:15,285 --> 00:36:18,485 And none of these calls ever showed up on the phone. 612 00:36:18,505 --> 00:36:20,445 Yes. 613 00:36:20,465 --> 00:36:24,065 The only calls that was on that is the ones that we made. 614 00:36:24,365 --> 00:36:26,405 Whatever they took outta there, 615 00:36:26,425 --> 00:36:28,445 they didn't want people to know about it. 616 00:36:32,385 --> 00:36:35,085 NARRATOR: Could that box have contained metal fragments 617 00:36:35,105 --> 00:36:36,305 from the UFO 618 00:36:36,325 --> 00:36:38,145 or something even more extraordinary, 619 00:36:38,165 --> 00:36:41,265 the remains of it's extra-terrestrial pilot? 620 00:36:41,285 --> 00:36:43,305 According to researcher, Stan Gordon, 621 00:36:43,325 --> 00:36:46,105 eyewitnesses alluded to the possibility 622 00:36:46,125 --> 00:36:48,105 of an alien inside the box. 623 00:36:48,405 --> 00:36:50,345 And I can see his voice begin to tremble 624 00:36:50,365 --> 00:36:52,085 and he said, "I swear to God, sir, 625 00:36:52,105 --> 00:36:53,405 "there was something inside of that thing." 626 00:36:54,445 --> 00:36:57,505 BEN: If the military did indeed carry away a UFO 627 00:36:58,025 --> 00:36:59,385 and it's extra-terrestrial pilot, 628 00:36:59,405 --> 00:37:01,205 this could very well be 629 00:37:01,225 --> 00:37:04,065 one of the greatest cover-ups in history. 630 00:37:04,445 --> 00:37:08,245 I have one more expert to interview who may have insider information. 631 00:37:11,305 --> 00:37:14,065 NARRATOR: Tom Carey is a veteran of the Air Force 632 00:37:14,085 --> 00:37:16,245 where he held a high level of top secret clearance. 633 00:37:16,265 --> 00:37:20,345 After retiring from the military he worked with Jennie Zeidman, 634 00:37:20,365 --> 00:37:22,085 directly under J Allen Hynek 635 00:37:22,105 --> 00:37:25,125 who investigated UFO sighting all across America. 636 00:37:26,245 --> 00:37:27,485 When it comes to UFOs, 637 00:37:27,505 --> 00:37:30,165 Tom is one of the world's leading experts. 638 00:37:31,465 --> 00:37:34,145 So, Tom, it's good to see you again. 639 00:37:34,165 --> 00:37:36,165 I've been researching the Kecksburg case 640 00:37:36,185 --> 00:37:39,085 and after talking to all these witnesses 641 00:37:39,105 --> 00:37:40,185 and being out there at the site, 642 00:37:40,205 --> 00:37:41,445 I have a lot of question. 643 00:37:41,465 --> 00:37:43,265 I hope you can kinda fill in the blanks for me. 644 00:37:43,285 --> 00:37:44,385 I'll try. 645 00:37:44,405 --> 00:37:46,325 With Kecksburg 646 00:37:46,345 --> 00:37:49,245 why would the military, after all these years, 647 00:37:49,265 --> 00:37:52,225 try to keep something like this under wraps? 648 00:37:53,125 --> 00:37:57,105 And how were they able to react so quickly to retrieve the UFO? 649 00:37:57,125 --> 00:38:00,305 The die was cast back in 1947 650 00:38:00,325 --> 00:38:01,505 because of Roswell. 651 00:38:03,225 --> 00:38:04,445 NARRATOR: In that famous case, 652 00:38:04,465 --> 00:38:08,205 a craft was uncovered outside a ranch in Roswell, New Mexico 653 00:38:08,225 --> 00:38:11,085 and immediately covered up by the military. 654 00:38:13,225 --> 00:38:19,065 They came into the possession of a down, nuts and bolts craft 655 00:38:19,085 --> 00:38:21,065 from somewhere else... 656 00:38:22,045 --> 00:38:24,025 and they chose to keep it secret. 657 00:38:24,385 --> 00:38:28,425 Unfortunately, such secrets get a life of their own. 658 00:38:29,285 --> 00:38:33,365 Air Force will say that Roswell was a balloon 659 00:38:33,385 --> 00:38:37,045 and that the bodies were these dime store mannequins 660 00:38:37,065 --> 00:38:40,225 that people saw from these high parachute drops. 661 00:38:43,485 --> 00:38:45,305 However, in Kecksburg 662 00:38:45,325 --> 00:38:48,345 it seemed like they had a very organised response. 663 00:38:49,245 --> 00:38:52,205 The military shows up, and then within hours 664 00:38:52,225 --> 00:38:55,245 the thing is loaded up to the trailer and taken off. 665 00:38:55,265 --> 00:38:56,285 Yes. 666 00:38:56,305 --> 00:38:58,445 This is almost 20 years after Roswell. 667 00:38:58,465 --> 00:39:02,305 So, they had this procedure very well honed 668 00:39:02,325 --> 00:39:04,185 by the time of Kecksburg. 669 00:39:04,205 --> 00:39:06,505 And what is it - practise makes perfect? 670 00:39:09,185 --> 00:39:12,205 NARRATOR: Both UFO crashes wreak of a Government cover-up 671 00:39:12,225 --> 00:39:14,445 but they share something else in common. 672 00:39:16,365 --> 00:39:19,285 Now, I know this is just a general impression 673 00:39:19,305 --> 00:39:21,265 based on, you know, witnesses who, 674 00:39:21,285 --> 00:39:24,045 who got a you know brief look at this thing up close. 675 00:39:24,065 --> 00:39:27,325 Does that ring a bell to you of any other craft 676 00:39:27,345 --> 00:39:29,385 that had sort of this hieroglyphics? 677 00:39:30,185 --> 00:39:34,365 The only craft I can think of that had symbology 678 00:39:34,385 --> 00:39:36,245 was the Roswell depictions. 679 00:39:37,125 --> 00:39:38,445 Do you have any... any drawings 680 00:39:38,465 --> 00:39:41,145 of what the Roswell inscriptions looked like? 681 00:39:43,125 --> 00:39:44,285 Yes. 682 00:39:44,305 --> 00:39:46,365 Look at this one here. 683 00:39:46,385 --> 00:39:48,065 Here especially, yes. 684 00:39:48,085 --> 00:39:49,265 So, what would that mean? 685 00:39:49,285 --> 00:39:54,225 You have two different events originating from the same culture. 686 00:39:54,245 --> 00:39:57,365 The, the next question would be, OK where, where is that? 687 00:39:59,405 --> 00:40:01,505 In this case, it would be off the planet. 688 00:40:02,425 --> 00:40:04,385 NARRATOR: Ben has one final question. 689 00:40:06,145 --> 00:40:07,405 What was in that box? 690 00:40:10,065 --> 00:40:12,125 BEN: Then they go into the woods with a small crate 691 00:40:12,145 --> 00:40:14,305 to take out something from the UFO. 692 00:40:15,345 --> 00:40:18,265 If the box was smaller than the craft 693 00:40:18,285 --> 00:40:21,365 that would be perhaps biological remains. 694 00:40:21,385 --> 00:40:23,365 Perhaps the pilot? 695 00:40:32,265 --> 00:40:36,045 NARRATOR: Ben's investigation of the 1965 Kecksburg incident 696 00:40:36,065 --> 00:40:39,025 has revealed that the Air Force recovered a downed UFO. 697 00:40:40,385 --> 00:40:43,405 Now the question is, where did they take it? 698 00:40:45,385 --> 00:40:47,365 BEN: Right after meeting with Tom Carey, 699 00:40:47,385 --> 00:40:50,365 I received a package at my hotel from Stan Gordon. 700 00:40:50,385 --> 00:40:54,065 He said he uncovered something explosive I need to hear. 701 00:40:57,105 --> 00:40:59,165 So, while I was busy trying to find out 702 00:40:59,185 --> 00:41:01,265 where this Kecksburg UFO was taken, 703 00:41:01,285 --> 00:41:03,205 Stan Gordon was also busy at work 704 00:41:03,225 --> 00:41:05,445 and he turned up a recorded statement 705 00:41:05,465 --> 00:41:07,145 from a truck driver 706 00:41:07,165 --> 00:41:11,145 who says he knows where the craft was taken. 707 00:41:11,165 --> 00:41:13,105 So, let's give this a listen. 708 00:41:13,125 --> 00:41:14,325 NARRATOR: The man on this tape 709 00:41:14,345 --> 00:41:18,025 delivered a shipment of bricks to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base 710 00:41:18,045 --> 00:41:20,185 and saw something he wasn't meant to see. 711 00:41:22,405 --> 00:41:23,405 MAN: I took the... 712 00:41:23,425 --> 00:41:26,245 from the back side of the Wright-Patterson Air Base 713 00:41:26,265 --> 00:41:30,145 all the way through the main part of the base, out the other side. 714 00:41:31,085 --> 00:41:32,425 The spaceship looked like a... 715 00:41:33,345 --> 00:41:35,465 a large acorn. 716 00:41:36,385 --> 00:41:40,425 It was about 14 feet to the top and about 10 to 12 feet wide, 717 00:41:40,445 --> 00:41:42,365 it had writing on the collar. 718 00:41:43,145 --> 00:41:45,065 NARRATOR: The anonymous truck driver 719 00:41:45,085 --> 00:41:48,485 watched numerous agents load the craft into a large hangar 720 00:41:49,005 --> 00:41:51,345 but that wasn't the only thing he saw. 721 00:41:52,185 --> 00:41:55,125 I also seen an object laying on a wood bench over there. 722 00:41:57,285 --> 00:42:01,265 And it had dark green or brownie skin. 723 00:42:09,225 --> 00:42:10,345 Wow! 724 00:42:10,365 --> 00:42:14,465 We have a, a witness who places that UFO, 725 00:42:14,485 --> 00:42:17,385 from Kecksburg, coming through the back gate 726 00:42:17,405 --> 00:42:19,145 at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. 727 00:42:21,325 --> 00:42:25,425 This witnesses statement is very key to the whole Kecksburg story. 728 00:42:25,445 --> 00:42:27,065 The description of the object 729 00:42:27,085 --> 00:42:30,045 is very similar to what the witnesses said. 730 00:42:30,065 --> 00:42:31,105 It's acorn-shaped. 731 00:42:31,125 --> 00:42:34,025 It has strange writing around the bottom part of it. 732 00:42:34,045 --> 00:42:38,125 The Air Force picked up this craft, 733 00:42:39,445 --> 00:42:42,105 and then he said he sees a body. 734 00:42:43,065 --> 00:42:47,305 People describe seeing a large box that was brought into the woods. 735 00:42:48,385 --> 00:42:51,485 And he carried that thing down in to that object. 736 00:42:52,005 --> 00:42:55,365 It's believed that possibly a body was recovered. 737 00:42:55,385 --> 00:42:57,405 Whatever they took out of there... 738 00:42:58,285 --> 00:43:00,025 they didn't want people to know about it. 739 00:43:03,025 --> 00:43:06,085 But what happened after that remains to be seen. 740 00:43:09,145 --> 00:43:11,465 NARRATOR: The truck driver's recorded account confirms 741 00:43:11,485 --> 00:43:15,325 that the Air Force recovered both the UFO and an alien body 742 00:43:15,345 --> 00:43:17,145 and took them to Wright-Patterson. 743 00:43:17,485 --> 00:43:20,225 But now the question is - why? 744 00:43:25,405 --> 00:43:28,265 BEN: I have no doubt that what happened at Kecksburg 745 00:43:28,285 --> 00:43:30,265 is still a matter of national security. 746 00:43:31,065 --> 00:43:33,445 After all these decades if it was just a meteor, 747 00:43:33,465 --> 00:43:36,325 if it was just a downed satellite, 748 00:43:36,345 --> 00:43:39,305 we would've come out and talked about it now. 749 00:43:39,325 --> 00:43:40,345 But we haven't. 750 00:43:41,245 --> 00:43:44,465 So, now the next part of my mission is to investigate Wright-Patterson. 751 00:43:46,025 --> 00:43:48,445 If the truth is out there, I'm gonna find it. 752 00:43:48,465 --> 00:43:51,465 Captioned by Ai-Media ai-media.tvdummy end of file 88260

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