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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,542 --> 00:00:06,875 {\an1}Tonight, a shocking event 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,000 {\an1}sends the city of Phoenix into a panic. 3 00:00:09,167 --> 00:00:12,208 {\an1}More than 100 witnesses called the UFO hotline. 4 00:00:12,333 --> 00:00:15,500 {\an1}Some believe it's one of the largest scale UFO sightings 5 00:00:15,667 --> 00:00:17,167 {\an1}in history. 6 00:00:17,292 --> 00:00:20,625 {\an1}They were about 3,000 feet high, approximately. 7 00:00:20,708 --> 00:00:22,833 {\an1}They looked as though they were kind of hovering. 8 00:00:22,917 --> 00:00:25,375 {\an1}But the question is, what the heck is it? 9 00:00:28,208 --> 00:00:32,000 {\an1}Now, we reveal the top theories behind this phenomenon. 10 00:00:32,125 --> 00:00:34,000 {\an1}JASON McCLELLAN: What we find out is this 11 00:00:34,125 --> 00:00:35,333 {\an1}isn't an isolated incident. 12 00:00:35,458 --> 00:00:37,458 {\an1}These phenomena happen all the time. 13 00:00:37,542 --> 00:00:40,000 {\an1}Is the government covering something up? 14 00:00:40,125 --> 00:00:42,167 {\an1}MICHAEL J. CARTER: Is Phoenix in the crosshairs 15 00:00:42,292 --> 00:00:44,333 {\an1}of a possible interstellar war? 16 00:00:46,125 --> 00:00:48,500 {\an1}Are we being targeted for some reason? 17 00:00:49,708 --> 00:00:54,833 {\an1}What could possibly account for the mysterious Phoenix Lights? 18 00:00:54,958 --> 00:00:57,333 {\an1}[music] 19 00:01:11,333 --> 00:01:16,333 {\an1}New York, New York, December 16th, 2017. 20 00:01:16,500 --> 00:01:19,000 {\an1}News breaks of a secret Pentagon program 21 00:01:19,083 --> 00:01:22,000 {\an1}investigating unidentified aerial phenomenon, 22 00:01:22,125 --> 00:01:25,167 {\an1}also known as UFOs. 23 00:01:25,250 --> 00:01:27,000 {\an1}AMORY SIVERTSON: The New York Times publishes 24 00:01:27,083 --> 00:01:29,667 {\an1}a bombshell report that details the work 25 00:01:29,833 --> 00:01:33,667 {\an1}of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, 26 00:01:33,750 --> 00:01:36,958 {\an1}a shadowy government group that has spent 10 years 27 00:01:37,083 --> 00:01:38,500 {\an1}investigating military encounters 28 00:01:38,667 --> 00:01:41,833 {\an1}with strange unknown objects in the sky. 29 00:01:41,917 --> 00:01:44,208 {\an1}Here is another UFO bulletin. 30 00:01:44,333 --> 00:01:47,750 {\an1}AMORY: For years, people have reported encounters with UFOs. 31 00:01:47,875 --> 00:01:51,125 {\an1}Roswell, Lubbock, Belgium-- the list goes on and on, 32 00:01:51,208 --> 00:01:53,667 {\an1}and stretches as far back as antiquity. 33 00:01:53,792 --> 00:01:55,333 {\an1}JASON: Acknowledging this program's existence 34 00:01:55,500 --> 00:01:57,792 {\an1}is huge, because up to this point 35 00:01:57,917 --> 00:01:59,292 {\an1}the government's position 36 00:01:59,375 --> 00:02:01,500 {\an1}has been deny, deny, deny. 37 00:02:01,583 --> 00:02:03,292 {\an1}AMORY: And now, they're not only admitting 38 00:02:03,417 --> 00:02:05,917 {\an1}that these lights in the sky really are something, 39 00:02:06,042 --> 00:02:09,292 {\an1}but that they are, in fact, unidentified. 40 00:02:09,375 --> 00:02:11,000 {\an1}LAURENCE: Within months the government 41 00:02:11,167 --> 00:02:14,625 {\an1}declassifies videos of some of these encounters. 42 00:02:17,375 --> 00:02:19,167 {\an1}PILOT: Look at that thing, dude. 43 00:02:19,333 --> 00:02:22,958 {\an1}LAURENCE: Including one captured by the Navy in 2004, 44 00:02:23,083 --> 00:02:25,000 {\an1}known as the "Tic Tac Video." 45 00:02:25,083 --> 00:02:27,250 {\an1}PILOT: My gosh. 46 00:02:27,375 --> 00:02:29,667 {\an1}100 miles off the coast of San Diego, 47 00:02:29,792 --> 00:02:33,875 {\an1}radar tracks the object descending from 15 miles high 48 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,083 {\an1}down to 50 feet in about one second. 49 00:02:37,208 --> 00:02:38,958 {\an1}PILOT: Whoa, got it! 50 00:02:39,042 --> 00:02:40,833 {\an1}[laughing] Woohoo! 51 00:02:40,958 --> 00:02:42,667 {\an1}No known object 52 00:02:42,833 --> 00:02:44,167 {\an1}can fly that fast. 53 00:02:44,250 --> 00:02:45,917 {\an1}PILOT: Oh my gosh, dude. 54 00:02:46,042 --> 00:02:47,500 {\an1}- Wow. - What is that, man? 55 00:02:47,583 --> 00:02:49,042 {\an1}Look at it fly! 56 00:02:49,167 --> 00:02:51,875 {\an1}When jets intercept it, the cylindrical craft 57 00:02:52,042 --> 00:02:54,000 {\an1}drops down below the water... 58 00:02:54,125 --> 00:02:55,875 {\an1}What the -- is that, man? 59 00:02:56,042 --> 00:02:58,833 {\an1}AMORY: ...then flies up into the air, 60 00:02:58,958 --> 00:03:01,375 {\an1}and then disappears. 61 00:03:01,500 --> 00:03:02,833 {\an1}LAURENCE: When radar detects the object, 62 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,583 {\an1}it's already 60 miles away. 63 00:03:05,708 --> 00:03:08,500 {\an1}The video causes a sensation when it's released. 64 00:03:08,625 --> 00:03:11,917 {\an1}It's not only massive international news, 65 00:03:12,042 --> 00:03:13,792 {\an1}it's also vindication-- 66 00:03:13,917 --> 00:03:18,042 {\an1}vindication for people who have seen these craft 67 00:03:18,167 --> 00:03:21,875 {\an1}and have spent years swearing that they exist. 68 00:03:23,125 --> 00:03:24,708 {\an1}LAURENCE: Perhaps none feel more vindicated 69 00:03:24,875 --> 00:03:27,000 {\an1}than the citizens who witnessed a strange event 70 00:03:27,125 --> 00:03:30,917 {\an1}on March 13th, 1997. 71 00:03:31,042 --> 00:03:32,958 {\an1}On the night of March 13th, 72 00:03:33,083 --> 00:03:36,500 {\an1}reports come in from Phoenix, 73 00:03:36,625 --> 00:03:40,875 {\an1}as well as California, Nevada, and New Mexico. 74 00:03:41,042 --> 00:03:43,000 {\an1}People are describing 75 00:03:43,167 --> 00:03:46,125 {\an1}a huge V-shaped craft 76 00:03:46,208 --> 00:03:49,542 {\an1}moving southeast along the region. 77 00:03:49,708 --> 00:03:54,583 {\an1}SHANE: Around sunset, a man in Henderson, Nevada, 78 00:03:54,708 --> 00:03:57,833 {\an1}observed and reported a triangular-shaped aircraft 79 00:03:57,958 --> 00:04:01,542 {\an1}with lights underneath it hovering over the desert. 80 00:04:01,667 --> 00:04:04,000 {\an1}MICHAEL: He moves in closer to get a better look, 81 00:04:04,167 --> 00:04:06,458 {\an1}and the object starts to move. 82 00:04:06,542 --> 00:04:09,000 {\an1}Now, he doesn't know what he's looking at, 83 00:04:09,167 --> 00:04:10,625 {\an1}but he does know this is not an airplane. 84 00:04:12,792 --> 00:04:14,958 {\an1}LAURENCE: The sighting of the unidentified craft 85 00:04:15,042 --> 00:04:17,832 {\an1}is quickly confirmed by others. 86 00:04:17,957 --> 00:04:21,542 {\an1}Twenty minutes later, a retired police officer 87 00:04:21,707 --> 00:04:25,375 {\an1}calls to report that he's seeing the same object 88 00:04:25,542 --> 00:04:28,125 {\an1}200 miles south of Henderson. 89 00:04:28,207 --> 00:04:29,792 {\an1}AMORY: He follows it with his car, 90 00:04:29,917 --> 00:04:32,582 {\an1}and he's never closer to it than about a mile. 91 00:04:32,707 --> 00:04:35,332 {\an1}And yet, even from there, he can tell it's gigantic. 92 00:04:35,500 --> 00:04:37,707 {\an1}MICHAEL: Reports continue to flood in. 93 00:04:37,875 --> 00:04:39,957 {\an1}At 8:20, Prescott Valley, 94 00:04:40,042 --> 00:04:42,250 {\an1}20 minutes later, downtown Phoenix. 95 00:04:42,375 --> 00:04:44,375 {\an1}JASON: I was kind of surprised to see it on the news, 96 00:04:44,500 --> 00:04:46,250 {\an1}but at the same time, I was excited, 97 00:04:46,375 --> 00:04:47,917 {\an1}because I thought I would get some answers 98 00:04:48,042 --> 00:04:50,667 {\an1}to explain this strange thing that I'd just seen. 99 00:04:50,750 --> 00:04:52,542 {\an1}These were incredibly bright lights. 100 00:04:52,667 --> 00:04:55,917 {\an1}They were completely motionless, made no sound, 101 00:04:56,042 --> 00:04:57,542 {\an1}and these lights just hung there 102 00:04:57,667 --> 00:05:00,917 {\an1}directly over me, and I was awestruck. 103 00:05:01,042 --> 00:05:04,333 {\an1}I observed these lights for a period of about 30 minutes, 104 00:05:04,458 --> 00:05:07,208 {\an1}went inside, came back out later, 105 00:05:07,333 --> 00:05:10,083 {\an1}and 45 minutes later, this string of lights 106 00:05:10,208 --> 00:05:12,000 {\an1}is still in the sky. 107 00:05:12,125 --> 00:05:14,292 {\an1}LAURENCE: Also among the eyewitnesses, 108 00:05:14,375 --> 00:05:16,582 {\an1}Dr. Lynne Kitei. 109 00:05:16,707 --> 00:05:20,000 {\an1}LYNNE KITEI: On March 13th, 1997, the Hale-Bopp comet 110 00:05:20,125 --> 00:05:22,375 {\an1}was in clear view 111 00:05:22,500 --> 00:05:24,875 {\an1}on a beautiful spring night 112 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:26,792 {\an1}in the northwest sky. 113 00:05:26,917 --> 00:05:30,500 {\an1}Thousands of people went outside to catch a glimpse of it. 114 00:05:30,582 --> 00:05:33,167 {\an1}I go outside, and suddenly I notice 115 00:05:33,292 --> 00:05:35,625 {\an1}three amber orbs. 116 00:05:35,750 --> 00:05:37,167 {\an1}Every other light out there glared. 117 00:05:37,250 --> 00:05:38,625 {\an1}These did not. 118 00:05:38,707 --> 00:05:40,707 {\an1}The light did not extend outside the edge. 119 00:05:40,875 --> 00:05:42,500 {\an1}It was self-contained. 120 00:05:42,625 --> 00:05:45,625 {\an1}They were very soothing, very mesmerizing. 121 00:05:45,707 --> 00:05:49,167 {\an1}And then, the top orb started to shrink 122 00:05:49,292 --> 00:05:51,792 {\an1}very, very slowly, 123 00:05:51,917 --> 00:05:54,207 {\an1}until it was pea-size, and then disappeared. 124 00:05:54,332 --> 00:05:56,792 {\an1}But it felt like it was still there. 125 00:05:56,917 --> 00:05:59,750 {\an1}LAURENCE: As Dr. Kitei watches the sky, 126 00:05:59,875 --> 00:06:03,792 {\an1}calls pour in to local police and news stations. 127 00:06:03,875 --> 00:06:06,500 {\an1}We start tonight with those strange dots of light 128 00:06:06,625 --> 00:06:07,917 {\an1}that were the talk of the town. 129 00:06:08,042 --> 00:06:11,333 {\an1}More than 100 witnesses called the UFO hotline. 130 00:06:11,500 --> 00:06:13,625 {\an1}LAURENCE: For answers, authorities immediately 131 00:06:13,750 --> 00:06:15,792 {\an1}reach out to Luke Air Force Base. 132 00:06:19,082 --> 00:06:21,332 {\an1}ALEJANDRO ROJAS: Luke Air Force Base is a base 133 00:06:21,457 --> 00:06:23,500 {\an1}right in the heart of Phoenix, 134 00:06:23,582 --> 00:06:26,250 {\an1}and they fly a lot of advanced aircraft. 135 00:06:26,375 --> 00:06:29,082 {\an1}So, obviously, if anybody knows what's going on, 136 00:06:29,207 --> 00:06:30,625 {\an1}they would be someone you would call 137 00:06:30,707 --> 00:06:32,000 {\an1}to find out what the heck this is. 138 00:06:33,667 --> 00:06:36,667 {\an1}So, police, reporters, and even the governor 139 00:06:36,832 --> 00:06:39,167 {\an1}are calling the base to find out what's going on. 140 00:06:39,250 --> 00:06:41,167 {\an1}SHANE: Luke Air Force Base 141 00:06:41,292 --> 00:06:43,000 {\an1}indicated that they had no planes 142 00:06:43,125 --> 00:06:44,375 {\an1}up in the air at the time, 143 00:06:44,542 --> 00:06:45,957 {\an1}and they didn't know anything about it. 144 00:06:46,042 --> 00:06:49,375 {\an1}It was basically, "Nothing to see here, move along." 145 00:06:50,707 --> 00:06:54,500 {\an1}LAURENCE: But four months later, the base offers an explanation. 146 00:06:55,667 --> 00:06:59,667 {\an1}SHANE: They indicated that a team of A-10 Warthogs 147 00:06:59,750 --> 00:07:03,667 {\an1}from the Maryland National Guard had deployed flares 148 00:07:03,792 --> 00:07:06,083 {\an1}over the Estrella Mountains at that time. 149 00:07:08,458 --> 00:07:09,875 {\an1}LAURENCE: Footage from that night 150 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,625 {\an1}seems to support this theory, at first. 151 00:07:13,708 --> 00:07:15,667 {\an1}It's getting closer and closer, and we're saying, 152 00:07:15,792 --> 00:07:17,667 {\an1}you know, that thing's coming right at us! 153 00:07:17,792 --> 00:07:19,667 {\an1}AMORY: When you look at the witness video, 154 00:07:19,750 --> 00:07:23,750 {\an1}I guess it's possible they do kinda look like flares. 155 00:07:23,875 --> 00:07:26,875 {\an1}And military activity is pretty prevalent in the area. 156 00:07:27,042 --> 00:07:29,792 {\an1}In addition to Luke, there's Davis-Monthan Base, 157 00:07:29,875 --> 00:07:31,375 {\an1}also in Arizona. 158 00:07:31,500 --> 00:07:33,707 {\an1}And then there's Kirtland and the Holloman bases 159 00:07:33,875 --> 00:07:35,667 {\an1}not too far away in New Mexico. 160 00:07:35,792 --> 00:07:39,000 {\an1}LAURENCE: But eyewitnesses quickly raise doubts. 161 00:07:39,082 --> 00:07:42,625 {\an1}So, the Phoenix Light event really had two phases. 162 00:07:42,707 --> 00:07:46,792 {\an1}One was the large V-shaped craft flying across the state, 163 00:07:46,917 --> 00:07:50,750 {\an1}and the other was the lights over the Estrella Mountains. 164 00:07:50,875 --> 00:07:52,792 {\an1}However, when you look at the flare theory, 165 00:07:52,875 --> 00:07:55,667 {\an1}the flares might explain the lights over the mountains, 166 00:07:55,792 --> 00:07:58,457 {\an1}but it doesn't explain the V-shaped aircraft 167 00:07:58,542 --> 00:08:00,958 {\an1}witnessed by thousands of people. 168 00:08:01,083 --> 00:08:05,000 {\an1}LYNNE: It was so awesome and so mind-boggling. 169 00:08:06,208 --> 00:08:10,000 {\an1}Massive, massive craft right over people's heads. 170 00:08:10,083 --> 00:08:11,667 {\an1}It was silent. 171 00:08:11,833 --> 00:08:14,542 {\an1}Took off at blank speed without even dispersing the air. 172 00:08:14,708 --> 00:08:16,542 {\an1}If you're trying to tell me that flares 173 00:08:16,667 --> 00:08:20,375 {\an1}that are dropped from an aircraft on a parachute 174 00:08:20,500 --> 00:08:23,832 {\an1}that drop haphazardly with the wind, 175 00:08:23,957 --> 00:08:26,125 {\an1}have huge smoke trails that are illuminated 176 00:08:26,250 --> 00:08:27,667 {\an1}by the flare itself, 177 00:08:27,750 --> 00:08:29,582 {\an1}and illuminate the area around it. 178 00:08:29,707 --> 00:08:31,667 {\an1}They're heat-seeking for missiles 179 00:08:31,792 --> 00:08:33,000 {\an1}that are coming towards aircraft. 180 00:08:33,082 --> 00:08:35,417 {\an1}And not one person described any of that. 181 00:08:35,542 --> 00:08:38,500 {\an1}LAURENCE: And there are other red flags. 182 00:08:38,582 --> 00:08:41,707 {\an1}The Air Force claims that the A-10 Warthogs 183 00:08:41,832 --> 00:08:45,000 {\an1}deployed the flares over the Estrella Mountains 184 00:08:45,083 --> 00:08:46,500 {\an1}around 10:00 p.m., 185 00:08:46,625 --> 00:08:49,625 {\an1}which is not typically standard operating procedure. 186 00:08:51,042 --> 00:08:53,333 {\an1}In addition to that, those flares-- 187 00:08:53,458 --> 00:08:57,500 {\an1}the LUU-2B/B flare-- 188 00:08:57,625 --> 00:09:00,167 {\an1}falls at a rate of about eight feet per second. 189 00:09:00,250 --> 00:09:03,250 {\an1}And from the time the first flare was dropped 190 00:09:03,375 --> 00:09:05,875 {\an1}to the last flare, those flares would have dropped 191 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,792 {\an1}some 1,500 feet. 192 00:09:07,917 --> 00:09:10,667 {\an1}Yet the video shows those lights in a stationary position 193 00:09:10,792 --> 00:09:12,750 {\an1}for about 30 minutes. 194 00:09:12,875 --> 00:09:17,000 {\an1}LYNNE: And these amazing amber orbs 195 00:09:17,125 --> 00:09:19,167 {\an1}were just mind-boggling, 196 00:09:19,292 --> 00:09:21,000 {\an1}so different than anything you've ever seen, 197 00:09:21,083 --> 00:09:23,292 {\an1}different from any other light out there. 198 00:09:23,417 --> 00:09:25,083 {\an1}It definitely wasn't flares. 199 00:09:25,208 --> 00:09:29,625 {\an1}LAURENCE: The massive craft also leaves no trace on radar. 200 00:09:29,750 --> 00:09:32,708 {\an1}Air traffic controllers at Sky Harbor International Airport 201 00:09:32,833 --> 00:09:35,833 {\an1}check their call logs and their radar, 202 00:09:35,917 --> 00:09:38,333 {\an1}and found no indication of these aircraft. 203 00:09:38,500 --> 00:09:41,167 {\an1}And if that's not the definition of a UFO, 204 00:09:41,292 --> 00:09:42,667 {\an1}I don't know what is. 205 00:09:42,792 --> 00:09:44,500 {\an1}LAURENCE: To silence the skeptics, 206 00:09:44,625 --> 00:09:46,667 {\an1}the Air Force decides to conduct 207 00:09:46,792 --> 00:09:49,417 {\an1}a flare-drop demonstration for the public. 208 00:09:49,542 --> 00:09:51,708 {\an1}LYNNE: We get a very public announcement 209 00:09:51,875 --> 00:09:54,875 {\an1}that three Air National Guards were coming into town 210 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,167 {\an1}to show everyone the Phoenix Lights, 211 00:09:57,292 --> 00:09:58,667 {\an1}and we were ready. 212 00:09:58,792 --> 00:10:01,958 {\an1}ALEJANDRO: And a lot of people felt that exercise 213 00:10:02,083 --> 00:10:05,750 {\an1}didn't look similar to what they had seen on March 13th. 214 00:10:07,042 --> 00:10:08,875 {\an1}LYNNE: Talk about a joke. [chuckles] 215 00:10:09,042 --> 00:10:10,875 {\an1}They tried to make a triangle. 216 00:10:11,042 --> 00:10:12,833 {\an1}It was upside-down and fell apart immediately. 217 00:10:12,958 --> 00:10:14,958 {\an1}One of them just fizzled out. 218 00:10:15,083 --> 00:10:19,542 {\an1}Had huge smoke trails, just what flares do. 219 00:10:19,667 --> 00:10:21,333 {\an1}It really put the nail in the coffin. 220 00:10:21,417 --> 00:10:23,000 {\an1}They had their shot. 221 00:10:23,125 --> 00:10:27,333 {\an1}To date, the Phoenix Lights have never been recreated 222 00:10:27,417 --> 00:10:29,083 {\an1}or explained. 223 00:10:29,208 --> 00:10:31,167 {\an1}JASON: It's almost comical that this is what 224 00:10:31,250 --> 00:10:32,917 {\an1}they expect us to believe. 225 00:10:33,042 --> 00:10:34,833 {\an1}But fortunately, I and many others in Phoenix 226 00:10:34,917 --> 00:10:36,708 {\an1}who saw the Phoenix Lights that night 227 00:10:36,875 --> 00:10:38,167 {\an1}weren't about to take the Air Force's word 228 00:10:38,333 --> 00:10:39,667 {\an1}at face value. 229 00:10:39,833 --> 00:10:41,958 {\an1}We were ready to dig in and get answers. 230 00:10:48,875 --> 00:10:51,583 {\an1}LAURENCE: After thousands witness unexplained lights 231 00:10:51,708 --> 00:10:54,833 {\an1}in the sky above Phoenix, Arizona, in 1997, 232 00:10:54,958 --> 00:10:57,667 {\an1}the city is desperate for answers. 233 00:10:57,792 --> 00:11:02,083 {\an1}The March 13th, 1997 Phoenix Lights incident 234 00:11:02,208 --> 00:11:04,667 {\an1}was probably the largest UFO mass sighting 235 00:11:04,792 --> 00:11:07,542 {\an1}in UFO history. 236 00:11:07,667 --> 00:11:09,917 {\an1}But the question is, what the heck is it? 237 00:11:11,167 --> 00:11:12,625 {\an1}AMORY: The military says it's flares, 238 00:11:12,708 --> 00:11:15,125 {\an1}but almost nobody in Phoenix believes it. 239 00:11:15,208 --> 00:11:16,625 {\an1}They know what they saw, 240 00:11:16,708 --> 00:11:18,125 {\an1}they know what flares look like, 241 00:11:18,250 --> 00:11:20,333 {\an1}and these weren't flares. 242 00:11:20,500 --> 00:11:25,292 {\an1}MICHAEL: One of the things that I think bothers people the most 243 00:11:25,417 --> 00:11:28,083 {\an1}is the behavior of our military. 244 00:11:29,375 --> 00:11:31,792 {\an1}AMORY: Initially, the Air Force denies having any involvement 245 00:11:31,875 --> 00:11:34,625 {\an1}with the event, but four months later 246 00:11:34,708 --> 00:11:37,208 {\an1}they come out with this flare story. 247 00:11:37,375 --> 00:11:38,375 {\an1}Why is that? 248 00:11:40,042 --> 00:11:42,292 {\an1}SHANE: Even Governor Fife Symington himself, 249 00:11:42,417 --> 00:11:44,250 {\an1}a former Air Force pilot, 250 00:11:44,375 --> 00:11:45,750 {\an1}tried to make inquiries 251 00:11:45,875 --> 00:11:47,542 {\an1}to the military as to the identification 252 00:11:47,667 --> 00:11:49,333 {\an1}of this object, and he himself 253 00:11:49,458 --> 00:11:50,833 {\an1}got the runaround. 254 00:11:50,917 --> 00:11:52,917 {\an1}And he's the governor of the state of Arizona. 255 00:11:53,042 --> 00:11:57,042 {\an1}Symington was also skeptical of the flare explanation. 256 00:11:57,167 --> 00:12:00,667 {\an1}He claimed that, you know, flares don't fly in formation. 257 00:12:00,792 --> 00:12:02,417 {\an1}LAURENCE: Is it possible the military 258 00:12:02,542 --> 00:12:04,458 {\an1}has something to hide? 259 00:12:04,542 --> 00:12:07,000 {\an1}SHANE: So, many people feel that Luke Air Force Base 260 00:12:07,167 --> 00:12:10,000 {\an1}is not letting on everything they know. 261 00:12:10,083 --> 00:12:11,958 {\an1}And the reason they could be doing that 262 00:12:12,042 --> 00:12:15,250 {\an1}is because they're protecting some secret military technology. 263 00:12:19,250 --> 00:12:23,250 {\an1}LAURENCE: Located 20 miles northwest of downtown Phoenix, 264 00:12:23,375 --> 00:12:27,083 {\an1}Luke Air Force Base is home to the most advanced aircraft 265 00:12:27,208 --> 00:12:28,750 {\an1}in the U.S. 266 00:12:29,958 --> 00:12:31,667 {\an1}AMORY: Luke Air Force Base is affectionately called 267 00:12:31,792 --> 00:12:33,583 {\an1}"The Home of the Fighter Pilot." 268 00:12:33,708 --> 00:12:36,542 {\an1}It's where the 56th Fighter Wing is based. 269 00:12:36,708 --> 00:12:38,500 {\an1}And this is the Air Force's version 270 00:12:38,667 --> 00:12:41,708 {\an1}of what the Navy famously calls Top Gun. 271 00:12:41,833 --> 00:12:43,833 {\an1}RICHARD HOFFMAN: Back in '97, it was the F-15, 272 00:12:43,917 --> 00:12:46,458 {\an1}the F-16s were coming out. 273 00:12:46,542 --> 00:12:48,500 {\an1}There were a whole bunch of other kinds of aircraft 274 00:12:48,583 --> 00:12:51,792 {\an1}that could potentially be seen 275 00:12:51,875 --> 00:12:54,708 {\an1}being flown out of Luke Air Force Base. 276 00:12:54,875 --> 00:12:57,625 {\an1}AMORY: Basically, any fixed-wing aircraft 277 00:12:57,708 --> 00:12:59,500 {\an1}in the U.S. arsenal has flown at Luke, 278 00:12:59,583 --> 00:13:01,375 {\an1}plus a few that we don't know about, 279 00:13:01,500 --> 00:13:03,083 {\an1}because they're top-secret. 280 00:13:03,208 --> 00:13:05,000 {\an1}JASON: We know for certain that the U.S. military 281 00:13:05,125 --> 00:13:07,000 {\an1}has tested top-secret weapons and aircraft 282 00:13:07,083 --> 00:13:08,333 {\an1}in this area for decades. 283 00:13:10,042 --> 00:13:12,083 {\an1}LAURENCE: Among the state-of-the-art aircraft 284 00:13:12,208 --> 00:13:16,458 {\an1}initially flown here, the X-1, the X-15, 285 00:13:16,542 --> 00:13:18,125 {\an1}and the Blackbird. 286 00:13:18,250 --> 00:13:21,125 {\an1}Each test is classified and top-secret, 287 00:13:21,208 --> 00:13:24,708 {\an1}and for some, that's a clue. 288 00:13:24,875 --> 00:13:27,042 {\an1}These are all aircraft that were developed 289 00:13:27,208 --> 00:13:30,500 {\an1}and tested in total secrecy up over the deserts here. 290 00:13:30,625 --> 00:13:32,917 {\an1}If you would ask the military about any of these 291 00:13:33,042 --> 00:13:34,958 {\an1}back when they were still being developed, 292 00:13:35,042 --> 00:13:37,333 {\an1}you would have heard the same kind of subterfuge 293 00:13:37,458 --> 00:13:40,083 {\an1}and denial that we heard with the Phoenix Lights incident. 294 00:13:41,250 --> 00:13:43,333 {\an1}SHANE: There's a high presence of the military 295 00:13:43,458 --> 00:13:46,042 {\an1}in the state of Arizona, and perhaps they were testing 296 00:13:46,167 --> 00:13:47,792 {\an1}some secret technology. 297 00:13:47,917 --> 00:13:50,458 {\an1}So, it makes sense that people might have mistaken 298 00:13:50,583 --> 00:13:53,667 {\an1}what they saw on the night of March 13th, '97, 299 00:13:53,792 --> 00:13:55,292 {\an1}for a UFO. 300 00:13:55,375 --> 00:13:58,333 {\an1}LAURENCE: It wouldn't be the first time that's happened. 301 00:13:58,458 --> 00:14:01,542 {\an1}SHANE: In the 1980s there were many UFO reports 302 00:14:01,667 --> 00:14:04,167 {\an1}in the state of Arizona. 303 00:14:04,250 --> 00:14:07,250 {\an1}However, those reports ended up being identified 304 00:14:07,375 --> 00:14:10,917 {\an1}as the F-117A and the B-2 Bomber 305 00:14:11,042 --> 00:14:14,000 {\an1}that were in development at the time. 306 00:14:14,125 --> 00:14:16,042 {\an1}When you look at these aircraft, what do you see? 307 00:14:16,208 --> 00:14:18,958 {\an1}You see V-shaped aircraft that look similar 308 00:14:19,083 --> 00:14:20,958 {\an1}with what they reported in the Phoenix Lights, 309 00:14:21,083 --> 00:14:23,042 {\an1}albeit smaller. 310 00:14:23,167 --> 00:14:25,208 {\an1}AMORY: More recently, we've had some UFO sightings 311 00:14:25,333 --> 00:14:28,125 {\an1}that actually turned out to be advanced spy drones, 312 00:14:28,208 --> 00:14:31,250 {\an1}like the Air Force's RQ-170 and RQ-180. 313 00:14:32,500 --> 00:14:34,333 {\an1}Engineers contracted by the government 314 00:14:34,417 --> 00:14:36,500 {\an1}are currently at work on a new stealth bomber, 315 00:14:36,583 --> 00:14:39,333 {\an1}the B-21, which is scheduled to be operational 316 00:14:39,458 --> 00:14:41,792 {\an1}in the mid-2020s. 317 00:14:41,917 --> 00:14:44,083 {\an1}That project wasn't greenlit until 2015, 318 00:14:44,208 --> 00:14:47,000 {\an1}so it's not responsible for the Phoenix Lights. 319 00:14:47,125 --> 00:14:50,208 {\an1}But it just goes to show they're always working on something. 320 00:14:50,333 --> 00:14:52,042 {\an1}ALEJANDRO: If nothing else, we know that the Southwest 321 00:14:52,167 --> 00:14:55,875 {\an1}is a hotbed for innovation for aerospace 322 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,375 {\an1}in the public and private sector. 323 00:14:58,542 --> 00:15:01,208 {\an1}LAURENCE: Even so, some doubt the military 324 00:15:01,333 --> 00:15:04,500 {\an1}has the advanced technology witnesses say they observed 325 00:15:04,625 --> 00:15:07,417 {\an1}in Phoenix in 1997. 326 00:15:07,542 --> 00:15:10,833 {\an1}Witnesses describe something out of a sci-fi movie. 327 00:15:10,917 --> 00:15:13,917 {\an1}They see this giant V-shaped craft 328 00:15:14,042 --> 00:15:17,000 {\an1}which was hundreds and hundreds of yards across. 329 00:15:17,125 --> 00:15:18,917 {\an1}SHANE: By comparison, known aircraft 330 00:15:19,042 --> 00:15:20,500 {\an1}such as the B-2 Bomber, 331 00:15:20,667 --> 00:15:23,792 {\an1}the wingspan is only 172 feet. 332 00:15:23,875 --> 00:15:25,917 {\an1}Or the largest plane known to be flown, 333 00:15:26,042 --> 00:15:28,167 {\an1}the Stratolaunch, only had a wingspan 334 00:15:28,333 --> 00:15:31,208 {\an1}of 385 feet. 335 00:15:31,333 --> 00:15:35,125 {\an1}Our government has never flown anything this big. 336 00:15:35,208 --> 00:15:38,167 {\an1}AMORY: The Phoenix Lights craft also moved slowly. 337 00:15:38,292 --> 00:15:42,250 {\an1}Estimates place it at about 15 to 30 miles an hour, 338 00:15:42,375 --> 00:15:46,333 {\an1}and it was maybe 100 to 200 feet off the ground at times. 339 00:15:46,458 --> 00:15:48,875 {\an1}He thinks that-- he said if he had a tennis ball, 340 00:15:49,042 --> 00:15:50,417 {\an1}he could have hit it. 341 00:15:50,542 --> 00:15:52,458 {\an1}He could have thrown a tennis ball at it, 342 00:15:52,542 --> 00:15:53,875 {\an1}- it was that close. - It was very close. 343 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:54,958 {\an1}I just could have nailed it. 344 00:15:56,250 --> 00:15:57,833 {\an1}LAURENCE: Others report seeing the object 345 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,667 {\an1}come to a stop and hover in place. 346 00:16:00,833 --> 00:16:03,167 {\an1}AMORY: Airplanes can't do that. 347 00:16:03,292 --> 00:16:04,833 {\an1}There's not enough airflow to produce loft 348 00:16:04,958 --> 00:16:06,833 {\an1}with their wings. 349 00:16:06,917 --> 00:16:09,042 {\an1}Helicopters can, but the Phoenix Lights craft 350 00:16:09,208 --> 00:16:11,625 {\an1}moved silently. 351 00:16:11,708 --> 00:16:13,583 {\an1}The flight characteristics that they describe 352 00:16:13,708 --> 00:16:16,250 {\an1}are unlike any other machine we have in the air today. 353 00:16:16,375 --> 00:16:19,583 {\an1}And keep in mind, this is back in 1997, 354 00:16:19,708 --> 00:16:23,083 {\an1}so 25 years ago, they had something this incredible, 355 00:16:23,208 --> 00:16:25,500 {\an1}and it still hasn't ever seen the light of day? 356 00:16:27,333 --> 00:16:29,625 {\an1}LAURENCE: But John Powell, a private defense contractor 357 00:16:29,750 --> 00:16:33,875 {\an1}for JP Aerospace, believes this capability exists, 358 00:16:34,042 --> 00:16:36,292 {\an1}and will soon be made public. 359 00:16:36,375 --> 00:16:39,917 {\an1}Powell and JP Aerospace were awarded a grant in 2014 360 00:16:40,042 --> 00:16:44,083 {\an1}to develop slow-moving, top-secret classified 361 00:16:44,208 --> 00:16:45,958 {\an1}triangular aircraft. 362 00:16:46,042 --> 00:16:47,667 {\an1}So, Powell believes that perhaps what they saw 363 00:16:47,792 --> 00:16:49,333 {\an1}during the Phoenix Lights was something similar 364 00:16:49,458 --> 00:16:50,667 {\an1}to what he's been developing. 365 00:16:50,792 --> 00:16:53,125 {\an1}AMORY: The specs of these are highly classified, 366 00:16:53,208 --> 00:16:55,833 {\an1}but JP Aerospace was able to get a prototype 367 00:16:55,917 --> 00:16:57,250 {\an1}of this thing going. 368 00:16:57,375 --> 00:17:00,167 {\an1}LAURENCE: Meanwhile, Arizona lawmakers 369 00:17:00,292 --> 00:17:02,292 {\an1}continue to press the military for more answers. 370 00:17:04,291 --> 00:17:06,333 {\an1}SHANE: So, Frances Emma Barwood 371 00:17:06,500 --> 00:17:09,208 {\an1}was a City of Phoenix councilperson. 372 00:17:09,333 --> 00:17:12,166 {\an1}She launched an investigation into the Phoenix Lights 373 00:17:12,291 --> 00:17:14,333 {\an1}because no one else would. 374 00:17:14,500 --> 00:17:18,125 {\an1}She interviewed over 700 witnesses. 375 00:17:18,208 --> 00:17:21,000 {\an1}She offered to let the military talk to those witnesses, 376 00:17:21,083 --> 00:17:23,250 {\an1}and they chose not to interview a single person. 377 00:17:24,458 --> 00:17:25,708 {\an1}ALEJANDRO: Then-Senator John McCain 378 00:17:25,833 --> 00:17:28,166 {\an1}put in a formal request for more information, 379 00:17:28,291 --> 00:17:30,000 {\an1}but that request was denied. 380 00:17:30,125 --> 00:17:32,542 {\an1}LYNNE: If it's military, show me. 381 00:17:32,667 --> 00:17:35,958 {\an1}We have not seen anything technologically 382 00:17:36,083 --> 00:17:39,292 {\an1}even close to what thousands saw 383 00:17:39,375 --> 00:17:43,000 {\an1}on March 13th, 1997, right above their heads. 384 00:17:43,125 --> 00:17:45,708 {\an1}The technology has never been seen. 385 00:17:45,833 --> 00:17:50,583 {\an1}If it was military experimental aircraft, show me. 386 00:17:51,708 --> 00:17:53,667 {\an1}ALEJANDRO: Until really the government comes out 387 00:17:53,833 --> 00:17:55,250 {\an1}and says this was them, 388 00:17:55,375 --> 00:17:58,125 {\an1}and it is some sort of classified project, 389 00:17:58,208 --> 00:18:00,333 {\an1}people just still aren't gonna know what to believe in, 390 00:18:00,458 --> 00:18:01,625 {\an1}and it'll remain a mystery. 391 00:18:06,292 --> 00:18:09,875 {\an1}LAURENCE: Phoenix, Arizona, April 21st, 2008, 392 00:18:10,042 --> 00:18:12,250 {\an1}nearly 11 years after an entire city 393 00:18:12,375 --> 00:18:16,875 {\an1}witnesses a strange UFO event, it happens again. 394 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,333 {\an1}So, on Monday at about 8:05 p.m., 395 00:18:19,458 --> 00:18:21,708 {\an1}again, you know, the police, the Air Force, 396 00:18:21,833 --> 00:18:25,625 {\an1}authorities are being inundated with reports 397 00:18:25,708 --> 00:18:28,417 {\an1}that there's another set of lights hovering over the city. 398 00:18:28,542 --> 00:18:31,583 {\an1}It's unbelievable, or maybe it's totally believable. 399 00:18:31,708 --> 00:18:34,417 {\an1}If it happened once, why couldn't it happen again? 400 00:18:34,542 --> 00:18:36,292 {\an1}REPORTER: Live and late-breaking right now, they're back. 401 00:18:36,375 --> 00:18:37,792 {\an1}Did you see them tonight? 402 00:18:37,917 --> 00:18:40,542 {\an1}Many people called our news room about lights in the sky. 403 00:18:40,667 --> 00:18:43,167 {\an1}SHANE: People reported that there was a series 404 00:18:43,292 --> 00:18:45,208 {\an1}of four or five orange-red lights 405 00:18:45,375 --> 00:18:46,958 {\an1}over the north valley. 406 00:18:47,042 --> 00:18:49,833 {\an1}It's like a repeat of the 1997 incident. 407 00:18:49,917 --> 00:18:51,292 {\an1}People come out running out, 408 00:18:51,375 --> 00:18:53,958 {\an1}and they see a V-shaped formation of lights. 409 00:18:54,083 --> 00:18:56,167 {\an1}Initially there was four lights. 410 00:18:56,333 --> 00:18:59,833 {\an1}They were about 3,000 feet high, approximately. 411 00:18:59,958 --> 00:19:02,417 {\an1}They looked as though they were kind of hovering or floating. 412 00:19:02,542 --> 00:19:06,167 {\an1}LAURENCE: But as it progresses, this event plays out differently 413 00:19:06,250 --> 00:19:08,417 {\an1}from the 1997 sighting. 414 00:19:08,542 --> 00:19:10,708 {\an1}AMORY: As this 2008 formation hovers, 415 00:19:10,833 --> 00:19:14,500 {\an1}the shape changes from a triangle into a square. 416 00:19:14,625 --> 00:19:16,167 {\an1}The previous lights just remained uniform 417 00:19:16,292 --> 00:19:17,667 {\an1}in their V-shape. 418 00:19:17,792 --> 00:19:19,583 {\an1}Lights in the sky, did you see them tonight? 419 00:19:19,708 --> 00:19:21,208 {\an1}Many people were calling our news room. 420 00:19:21,333 --> 00:19:23,333 {\an1}And if you missed it, take a look. 421 00:19:23,500 --> 00:19:26,000 {\an1}One man in North Phoenix caught the lights on home video, 422 00:19:26,125 --> 00:19:28,375 {\an1}15 minutes' worth. 423 00:19:28,500 --> 00:19:31,292 {\an1}Whatever you believe happened back in 1997, 424 00:19:31,417 --> 00:19:34,583 {\an1}people are convinced that it's happening again. 425 00:19:34,708 --> 00:19:38,792 {\an1}LAURENCE: This time, they won't have to wait long for answers. 426 00:19:38,917 --> 00:19:42,000 {\an1}Unlike the Phoenix Lights, the mystery to this event 427 00:19:42,167 --> 00:19:44,333 {\an1}only lasted about 12 hours, 428 00:19:44,417 --> 00:19:47,208 {\an1}because the next day, April 22nd, 429 00:19:47,333 --> 00:19:50,292 {\an1}a man called in admitting that he was responsible. 430 00:19:50,417 --> 00:19:51,583 {\an1}It was all a hoax. 431 00:19:53,917 --> 00:19:55,625 {\an1}The whole thing was staged. 432 00:19:55,708 --> 00:19:58,500 {\an1}The man tied flares to helium balloons, 433 00:19:58,583 --> 00:20:00,708 {\an1}and then let them go one minute apart. 434 00:20:00,875 --> 00:20:03,708 {\an1}AMORY: Is this a relief? Is it disappointing? 435 00:20:03,875 --> 00:20:06,708 {\an1}Does it make people angry? It's hard to know how to feel. 436 00:20:06,833 --> 00:20:08,667 {\an1}But one thing it does is it makes people 437 00:20:08,792 --> 00:20:10,833 {\an1}look back at the real Phoenix Lights event 438 00:20:10,958 --> 00:20:13,000 {\an1}11 years prior, and think, 439 00:20:13,125 --> 00:20:15,375 {\an1}"Well, wait, what if that was a hoax too?" 440 00:20:15,500 --> 00:20:17,667 {\an1}Back in 1997 while they're looking for answers 441 00:20:17,792 --> 00:20:19,167 {\an1}and people are going to the government, 442 00:20:19,292 --> 00:20:20,500 {\an1}there are a lot of people that think 443 00:20:20,625 --> 00:20:22,208 {\an1}the whole thing was just a gag. 444 00:20:22,375 --> 00:20:24,833 {\an1}LAURENCE: A 1997 press conference 445 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,208 {\an1}held by Arizona's then-governor, Fife Symington, 446 00:20:28,333 --> 00:20:30,667 {\an1}seems to bolster that theory. 447 00:20:30,833 --> 00:20:32,708 {\an1}We're initially excited and think we're finally gonna 448 00:20:32,833 --> 00:20:34,167 {\an1}get a real investigation. 449 00:20:34,250 --> 00:20:36,833 {\an1}And Fife Symington saw it, and he's one of us. 450 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,667 {\an1}And now, I'll ask Officer Stein and his colleagues 451 00:20:39,792 --> 00:20:41,542 {\an1}to escort the accused into the room 452 00:20:41,667 --> 00:20:43,917 {\an1}so that we may all look upon the guilty party. 453 00:20:46,250 --> 00:20:48,167 {\an1}Don't get him too close to me, please. 454 00:20:48,250 --> 00:20:50,625 {\an1}It's... you know. 455 00:20:50,708 --> 00:20:56,125 {\an1}In walks Governor Symington's chief of staff, Jay Heiler, 456 00:20:56,250 --> 00:21:02,125 {\an1}dressed in an alien suit and handcuffs. 457 00:21:02,208 --> 00:21:04,167 {\an1}JASON: It's met with laughter and applause. 458 00:21:04,333 --> 00:21:07,292 {\an1}It really does the whole thing a huge disservice. 459 00:21:07,417 --> 00:21:08,833 {\an1}The problem with the press conference 460 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,667 {\an1}was it made getting answers so much harder. 461 00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:13,417 {\an1}If you ask any questions about it, 462 00:21:13,542 --> 00:21:15,167 {\an1}you were labeled a crackpot. 463 00:21:15,292 --> 00:21:17,708 {\an1}Those kinds of things are not helpful. 464 00:21:17,833 --> 00:21:20,500 {\an1}And for people who are really interested 465 00:21:20,625 --> 00:21:22,917 {\an1}and they wanna find out what's going on... 466 00:21:23,042 --> 00:21:24,875 {\an1}[laughter] 467 00:21:26,042 --> 00:21:27,458 {\an1}Thank you. 468 00:21:27,583 --> 00:21:29,708 {\an1}MICHAEL: You can't get to the bottom of anything 469 00:21:29,833 --> 00:21:32,167 {\an1}because no one is taking it seriously. 470 00:21:32,250 --> 00:21:34,042 {\an1}SHANE: After that news conference, 471 00:21:34,167 --> 00:21:36,042 {\an1}the national media picked up on that, 472 00:21:36,167 --> 00:21:38,417 {\an1}that it's a joke and not a serious event, 473 00:21:38,542 --> 00:21:40,042 {\an1}and that became the story. 474 00:21:41,375 --> 00:21:44,458 {\an1}LAURENCE: It's a story some refuse to accept. 475 00:21:44,583 --> 00:21:46,500 {\an1}Most people who thought it was a hoax and laughed at it 476 00:21:46,625 --> 00:21:48,375 {\an1}didn't actually see it happen. 477 00:21:48,542 --> 00:21:50,000 {\an1}But unfortunately, I think that laughter 478 00:21:50,125 --> 00:21:51,833 {\an1}and skepticism was loud enough 479 00:21:51,917 --> 00:21:55,208 {\an1}that it kept many of us from finding more answers. 480 00:21:55,333 --> 00:21:57,500 {\an1}It's unlikely that the Phoenix Lights 481 00:21:57,667 --> 00:22:00,208 {\an1}could be explained as a hoax, 482 00:22:00,375 --> 00:22:04,125 {\an1}because you would need someone to convince people 483 00:22:04,250 --> 00:22:07,417 {\an1}along a 400-mile length of desert 484 00:22:07,542 --> 00:22:11,500 {\an1}that they're seeing an object as large as a cruise ship 485 00:22:11,583 --> 00:22:14,583 {\an1}with lights on it as large as swimming pools. 486 00:22:15,708 --> 00:22:17,500 {\an1}Then you would have to pull a second stunt 487 00:22:17,625 --> 00:22:21,250 {\an1}and convince a population of 2.5 million people 488 00:22:21,375 --> 00:22:24,167 {\an1}that, you know, this large V-shaped group of lights 489 00:22:24,292 --> 00:22:25,583 {\an1}flew over the city. 490 00:22:25,708 --> 00:22:27,833 {\an1}That would be awfully difficult to hoax. 491 00:22:27,958 --> 00:22:30,958 {\an1}LYNNE: Twenty-five years later, if it was a hoax, 492 00:22:31,083 --> 00:22:33,375 {\an1}I would think that someone would have come forward 493 00:22:33,542 --> 00:22:36,208 {\an1}now that it's become world-renowned. 494 00:22:36,333 --> 00:22:38,583 {\an1}That has not happened to date. 495 00:22:38,708 --> 00:22:41,542 {\an1}JASON: The individual responsible for the 2008 prank 496 00:22:41,708 --> 00:22:43,417 {\an1}can't even hold his tongue for 24 hours. 497 00:22:43,542 --> 00:22:45,458 {\an1}Saying it's a hoax is really saying 498 00:22:45,542 --> 00:22:47,167 {\an1}that all of the witnesses 499 00:22:47,292 --> 00:22:49,500 {\an1}didn't understand what they were seeing. 500 00:22:49,667 --> 00:22:51,542 {\an1}It's saying that they were gullible rubes. 501 00:22:52,625 --> 00:22:56,792 {\an1}LAURENCE: Then, 10 years after the 1997 sighting, 502 00:22:56,917 --> 00:22:59,667 {\an1}Governor Symington changes his story 503 00:22:59,792 --> 00:23:02,375 {\an1}and challenges the hoax theory. 504 00:23:02,542 --> 00:23:06,667 {\an1}So, in 2007, Governor Symington came out to indicate 505 00:23:06,833 --> 00:23:10,458 {\an1}that not only was the Phoenix Lights not a hoax, 506 00:23:10,583 --> 00:23:13,333 {\an1}but that he, in fact, saw the craft himself. 507 00:23:13,500 --> 00:23:17,167 {\an1}Well, I saw a-- a huge craft 508 00:23:17,292 --> 00:23:19,542 {\an1}just kind of come right over Squaw Peak... 509 00:23:21,708 --> 00:23:23,708 {\an1}that was-- you know, it was just breathtaking. 510 00:23:23,833 --> 00:23:26,083 {\an1}SHANE: At the time people in the city of Phoenix 511 00:23:26,208 --> 00:23:28,625 {\an1}reported a UFO sighting, 512 00:23:28,750 --> 00:23:31,250 {\an1}Symington was under such political pressure 513 00:23:31,375 --> 00:23:32,708 {\an1}as governor of the state, 514 00:23:32,833 --> 00:23:35,375 {\an1}he did not want to add to those political woes 515 00:23:35,542 --> 00:23:38,375 {\an1}by claiming to have seen a UFO himself. 516 00:23:38,500 --> 00:23:40,542 {\an1}JASON: Thanks to him, for about a decade 517 00:23:40,708 --> 00:23:43,500 {\an1}the Phoenix Lights is really largely viewed as a hoax. 518 00:23:43,583 --> 00:23:46,208 {\an1}But his abrupt about-face 519 00:23:46,333 --> 00:23:48,417 {\an1}creates renewed interest in the case. 520 00:23:48,542 --> 00:23:50,750 {\an1}It returns to the news cycle, and it comes at a time 521 00:23:50,875 --> 00:23:52,708 {\an1}when people are more willing to believe. 522 00:23:52,875 --> 00:23:55,458 {\an1}It's no longer a joke or a source of embarrassment. 523 00:23:55,542 --> 00:23:56,958 {\an1}It's a genuine mystery. 524 00:24:02,208 --> 00:24:05,167 {\an1}After news of the Pentagon's secret UFO monitoring program 525 00:24:05,292 --> 00:24:07,833 {\an1}makes headlines in 2022, 526 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,792 {\an1}Congress vows to investigate further. 527 00:24:10,917 --> 00:24:13,417 {\an1}That spring, the House holds the first public hearing 528 00:24:13,542 --> 00:24:16,750 {\an1}on UFOS in more than 50 years. 529 00:24:16,875 --> 00:24:18,875 {\an1}Those who witnessed the Phoenix Lights 530 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,000 {\an1}hope it can finally lead to answers. 531 00:24:23,625 --> 00:24:25,583 {\an1}AMORY: Congress talks to dozens of defense 532 00:24:25,708 --> 00:24:27,125 {\an1}and intelligence officials, 533 00:24:27,208 --> 00:24:30,042 {\an1}and collects thousands and thousands of documents. 534 00:24:30,167 --> 00:24:33,250 {\an1}All of that research is compiled into a House Committee report 535 00:24:33,375 --> 00:24:35,250 {\an1}about UFO encounters like the one 536 00:24:35,375 --> 00:24:36,625 {\an1}that happened in Phoenix. 537 00:24:36,708 --> 00:24:38,500 {\an1}And while we know that people have seen UFOs 538 00:24:38,667 --> 00:24:40,833 {\an1}from time to time, what we didn't know 539 00:24:40,958 --> 00:24:43,167 {\an1}is that the military themselves have had hundreds 540 00:24:43,333 --> 00:24:45,250 {\an1}of their own UFO encounters 541 00:24:45,375 --> 00:24:47,833 {\an1}which they've been keeping quiet until now. 542 00:24:47,917 --> 00:24:51,000 {\an1}UAPs are unexplained, it's true, 543 00:24:51,167 --> 00:24:52,458 {\an1}but they are real. 544 00:24:52,583 --> 00:24:54,083 {\an1}They need to be investigated, 545 00:24:54,208 --> 00:24:56,375 {\an1}and many threats they pose need to be mitigated. 546 00:24:56,542 --> 00:24:58,083 {\an1}JASON: This is huge. 547 00:24:58,208 --> 00:25:00,167 {\an1}This is the U.S. government going on record 548 00:25:00,333 --> 00:25:02,542 {\an1}to say these things are real. 549 00:25:02,708 --> 00:25:05,500 {\an1}MICHAEL: They've collected 144 incidents 550 00:25:05,625 --> 00:25:07,500 {\an1}about these UAPs. 551 00:25:07,667 --> 00:25:09,458 {\an1}Eighty of those they have data on, 552 00:25:09,542 --> 00:25:11,500 {\an1}infrared, sensory, 553 00:25:11,625 --> 00:25:12,875 {\an1}and of course, video. 554 00:25:13,042 --> 00:25:16,208 {\an1}Well, describe what we have seen in that. 555 00:25:16,375 --> 00:25:17,667 {\an1}What are we observing? 556 00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:20,500 {\an1}What you see here is aircraft 557 00:25:20,625 --> 00:25:23,417 {\an1}that is operating in a U.S. Navy training range 558 00:25:23,542 --> 00:25:26,583 {\an1}that has observed a spherical object in that area. 559 00:25:26,708 --> 00:25:28,000 {\an1}And as they fly by it, they take a video. 560 00:25:32,625 --> 00:25:34,292 {\an1}LAURENCE: Several declassified government videos 561 00:25:34,417 --> 00:25:36,708 {\an1}are released, all seeming proof 562 00:25:36,833 --> 00:25:39,833 {\an1}that extraterrestrial encounters exist. 563 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,375 {\an1}And suddenly, we have all the evidence we need 564 00:25:42,542 --> 00:25:44,083 {\an1}about what happened in Phoenix. 565 00:25:48,208 --> 00:25:49,708 {\an1}JASON: Thanks to the hearings, we find out 566 00:25:49,875 --> 00:25:52,167 {\an1}that these encounters aren't isolated incidents. 567 00:25:52,250 --> 00:25:53,667 {\an1}They happen all the time. 568 00:25:53,792 --> 00:25:57,458 {\an1}MICHAEL: I mean, how else can you reconcile the facts? 569 00:25:57,583 --> 00:25:59,583 {\an1}A silently floating, hovering craft 570 00:25:59,708 --> 00:26:01,500 {\an1}the size of several football fields, 571 00:26:01,625 --> 00:26:03,500 {\an1}invisible to radar. 572 00:26:03,667 --> 00:26:07,000 {\an1}There's nothing on Earth that fits that description. 573 00:26:07,083 --> 00:26:09,292 {\an1}LAURENCE: Believers like Michael Carter 574 00:26:09,417 --> 00:26:13,625 {\an1}cite a 1997 call made to AM radio show 575 00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:16,000 {\an1}Coast to Coast as further evidence 576 00:26:16,125 --> 00:26:19,292 {\an1}of an alien encounter over Phoenix. 577 00:26:19,375 --> 00:26:21,042 {\an1}The call is from a corpsman, 578 00:26:21,167 --> 00:26:23,958 {\an1}someone who actually works at Luke Air Force Base. 579 00:26:24,042 --> 00:26:28,333 {\an1}He has an incredible story about what happened on the base 580 00:26:28,458 --> 00:26:31,125 {\an1}when this object appeared over the sky 581 00:26:31,250 --> 00:26:32,667 {\an1}of northern Arizona. 582 00:26:32,792 --> 00:26:36,292 {\an1}The corpsman said the base gets a call about 8:15 583 00:26:36,375 --> 00:26:41,042 {\an1}about a large object moving out of the sky in the northwest. 584 00:26:41,208 --> 00:26:43,458 {\an1}Soon afterwards, an alarm goes off, 585 00:26:43,583 --> 00:26:45,625 {\an1}and all hell breaks loose. 586 00:26:45,708 --> 00:26:47,333 {\an1}Luke Air Force Base keeps 587 00:26:47,417 --> 00:26:50,000 {\an1}two F-15s on standby 588 00:26:50,167 --> 00:26:51,542 {\an1}for emergency use. 589 00:26:51,667 --> 00:26:54,667 {\an1}And on the evening of March 13th, 1997, 590 00:26:54,792 --> 00:26:57,417 {\an1}allegedly they scrambled those two F-15s 591 00:26:57,542 --> 00:26:59,333 {\an1}to intercept the object. 592 00:26:59,500 --> 00:27:01,292 {\an1}The radio caller doesn't know what it is, 593 00:27:01,417 --> 00:27:03,667 {\an1}and to be frank, I don't think the pilots do either. 594 00:27:03,833 --> 00:27:05,750 {\an1}ALEJANDRO: The caller claims that the event 595 00:27:05,875 --> 00:27:07,667 {\an1}had scared the hell out of the pilots, 596 00:27:07,833 --> 00:27:10,000 {\an1}but they had gotten some gun camera footage 597 00:27:10,083 --> 00:27:11,833 {\an1}of the object. 598 00:27:11,917 --> 00:27:13,917 {\an1}LAURENCE: If the caller is telling the truth, 599 00:27:14,042 --> 00:27:16,250 {\an1}the Air Force may have actually recorded 600 00:27:16,375 --> 00:27:18,333 {\an1}the Phoenix Lights UFO. 601 00:27:18,417 --> 00:27:20,875 {\an1}Which means, possibly locked away 602 00:27:21,042 --> 00:27:23,708 {\an1}in some secret vault somewhere, 603 00:27:23,875 --> 00:27:27,250 {\an1}we may actually have footage. 604 00:27:27,375 --> 00:27:32,875 {\an1}We may have proof of what these pilots actually saw. 605 00:27:33,042 --> 00:27:35,958 {\an1}LAURENCE: Unfortunately, if the video exists, 606 00:27:36,083 --> 00:27:39,208 {\an1}it's never released, and the anonymous caller 607 00:27:39,375 --> 00:27:41,542 {\an1}has no additional information. 608 00:27:41,667 --> 00:27:43,167 {\an1}JASON: He isn't one of the pilots sent out. 609 00:27:43,292 --> 00:27:45,750 {\an1}He's just on the base when he hears all the commotion 610 00:27:45,875 --> 00:27:48,833 {\an1}and the base goes into lockdown, so he can't say exactly 611 00:27:48,917 --> 00:27:51,333 {\an1}what the potential spacecraft was doing in the area. 612 00:27:52,667 --> 00:27:57,000 {\an1}LAURENCE: Some theorists believe it's not there by coincidence. 613 00:27:57,125 --> 00:28:00,708 {\an1}SHANE: Within a 500-mile radius of the city of Phoenix, 614 00:28:00,833 --> 00:28:03,375 {\an1}there are several secret military bases. 615 00:28:03,542 --> 00:28:05,583 {\an1}Area 51 to the north, 616 00:28:05,708 --> 00:28:08,125 {\an1}Edwards Air Force Base to the west, 617 00:28:08,250 --> 00:28:10,875 {\an1}and White Sands Missile Base to the east. 618 00:28:13,333 --> 00:28:16,000 {\an1}JASON: If aliens were scouting Earth and its defenses, 619 00:28:16,083 --> 00:28:17,875 {\an1}this would be a perfect place to go. 620 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,833 {\an1}LAURENCE: Arizona is also home to several nuclear sites, 621 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,500 {\an1}areas that recent evidence suggests may attract 622 00:28:24,667 --> 00:28:26,708 {\an1}unidentified aircraft. 623 00:28:26,833 --> 00:28:28,458 {\an1}MICHAEL: We're having more and more sightings now, 624 00:28:28,542 --> 00:28:31,208 {\an1}and within those sightings there are certain patterns. 625 00:28:31,375 --> 00:28:33,667 {\an1}And what we're seeing is that there are more events 626 00:28:33,792 --> 00:28:35,875 {\an1}where these UFOs are hovering 627 00:28:36,042 --> 00:28:39,250 {\an1}over our nuclear military instillations. 628 00:28:40,542 --> 00:28:42,458 {\an1}LAURENCE: The phenomena isn't limited to the United States. 629 00:28:42,583 --> 00:28:46,750 {\an1}There are sightings in Mexico, Italy, and even Iran. 630 00:28:46,875 --> 00:28:49,000 {\an1}AMORY: There's a series of UFO-related events 631 00:28:49,125 --> 00:28:52,458 {\an1}that happen in Iran in 2004 and 2005 632 00:28:52,583 --> 00:28:54,833 {\an1}over one of their secret nuclear sites. 633 00:28:54,917 --> 00:28:57,042 {\an1}Several times during that two-year period 634 00:28:57,167 --> 00:28:59,333 {\an1}pilots near the Bushehr Nuclear Facility 635 00:28:59,458 --> 00:29:02,333 {\an1}have encounters with large luminous cylinders 636 00:29:02,417 --> 00:29:05,875 {\an1}that look and sound similar to the quote-unquote "Tic-Tac UFO" 637 00:29:06,042 --> 00:29:08,667 {\an1}that U.S. Navy pilots saw in San Diego. 638 00:29:08,792 --> 00:29:11,500 {\an1}And in one of those encounters, an Iranian pilot 639 00:29:11,625 --> 00:29:13,875 {\an1}actually engaged with the object. 640 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,208 {\an1}LAURENCE: As news of such events continues to spread, 641 00:29:16,375 --> 00:29:19,000 {\an1}more become convinced that what happened in Phoenix 642 00:29:19,167 --> 00:29:21,833 {\an1}isn't an isolated incident. 643 00:29:27,250 --> 00:29:30,625 {\an1}LAURENCE: Arizona's vast desert has been home to humans 644 00:29:30,708 --> 00:29:32,167 {\an1}for many thousands of years. 645 00:29:33,833 --> 00:29:36,042 {\an1}And according to some, there are signs 646 00:29:36,167 --> 00:29:37,792 {\an1}in the archeological record 647 00:29:37,875 --> 00:29:39,833 {\an1}that suggest the Phoenix Lights incident 648 00:29:39,958 --> 00:29:42,042 {\an1}is far from unique. 649 00:29:43,375 --> 00:29:45,958 {\an1}MICHAEL: When you look back into the history of this region, 650 00:29:46,042 --> 00:29:48,000 {\an1}it dawns on you that before 651 00:29:48,083 --> 00:29:49,542 {\an1}we even had the technology 652 00:29:49,667 --> 00:29:51,083 {\an1}where we could take pictures of this, 653 00:29:51,208 --> 00:29:54,125 {\an1}and videos, and what have you, this part of the country 654 00:29:54,250 --> 00:29:56,458 {\an1}was always having these kinds of sightings. 655 00:29:58,417 --> 00:29:59,958 {\an1}AMORY: The Native Americans who live in this part 656 00:30:00,042 --> 00:30:01,667 {\an1}of the Southwestern United States 657 00:30:01,833 --> 00:30:03,875 {\an1}have a very complex mythology 658 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,708 {\an1}in which we see numerous references and stories 659 00:30:06,833 --> 00:30:09,292 {\an1}about the so-called "star people." 660 00:30:10,292 --> 00:30:13,000 {\an1}These are powerful, yet benevolent beings 661 00:30:13,083 --> 00:30:15,000 {\an1}arriving from other worlds. 662 00:30:15,167 --> 00:30:18,083 {\an1}Both the Hopi and the Zuni trace their ancestry 663 00:30:18,208 --> 00:30:20,500 {\an1}back to beings that they believe arrived 664 00:30:20,625 --> 00:30:22,167 {\an1}from the region of the Pleiades, 665 00:30:22,333 --> 00:30:25,667 {\an1}which is a star cluster about 400 light years away 666 00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:27,333 {\an1}near the constellation of Taurus. 667 00:30:29,250 --> 00:30:31,333 {\an1}MICHAEL: We see myths and legends 668 00:30:31,458 --> 00:30:35,708 {\an1}about the star people, a benevolent but powerful people 669 00:30:35,875 --> 00:30:38,750 {\an1}that these tribes have interacted with. 670 00:30:38,875 --> 00:30:41,167 {\an1}AMORY: These myths and artwork suggest this area 671 00:30:41,292 --> 00:30:44,167 {\an1}has been a hub for extraterrestrial activity, 672 00:30:44,250 --> 00:30:45,792 {\an1}and that the Phoenix Lights incident 673 00:30:45,917 --> 00:30:47,958 {\an1}is just part of a repeating pattern, 674 00:30:48,083 --> 00:30:50,500 {\an1}that these star people have been coming back 675 00:30:50,625 --> 00:30:52,250 {\an1}time and time again. 676 00:30:55,333 --> 00:30:57,000 {\an1}JASON: Some believe the Phoenix Lights incident 677 00:30:57,125 --> 00:30:59,958 {\an1}is just one in a series of extraterrestrial encounters 678 00:31:00,042 --> 00:31:02,000 {\an1}that have been going on for a long time, 679 00:31:02,167 --> 00:31:04,875 {\an1}but started to increase in 1995. 680 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,333 {\an1}AMORY: The March of '97 event was certainly seen 681 00:31:07,417 --> 00:31:09,958 {\an1}by the most people, but some believe 682 00:31:10,042 --> 00:31:12,000 {\an1}there were several previous fly-bys. 683 00:31:13,542 --> 00:31:16,083 {\an1}One of them was witnessed by several people. 684 00:31:16,208 --> 00:31:19,875 {\an1}They stated that on January 21st, 1995, 685 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,125 {\an1}they saw a triangular formation of large lights. 686 00:31:24,208 --> 00:31:26,000 {\an1}They weren't bright, necessarily, 687 00:31:26,167 --> 00:31:27,792 {\an1}but they were really big. 688 00:31:27,875 --> 00:31:30,083 {\an1}They looked odd. 689 00:31:30,208 --> 00:31:31,875 {\an1}LYNNE: I step out on the balcony 690 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,333 {\an1}and immediately notice 691 00:31:33,458 --> 00:31:34,875 {\an1}an eerie silence. 692 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,167 {\an1}The entire object turned against the wind, 693 00:31:39,292 --> 00:31:41,833 {\an1}elevated slowly, and then moved 694 00:31:41,958 --> 00:31:44,083 {\an1}in synchrony behind South Mountain. 695 00:31:44,208 --> 00:31:47,500 {\an1}But it felt like something was watching me. 696 00:31:47,625 --> 00:31:50,542 {\an1}LAURENCE: According to the National UFO Reporting Center, 697 00:31:50,667 --> 00:31:54,333 {\an1}the sightings in Arizona grow increasingly frequent 698 00:31:54,458 --> 00:31:59,000 {\an1}in the two years before the 1997 Phoenix event. 699 00:31:59,083 --> 00:32:01,333 {\an1}ALEJANDRO: Researchers have found that coming up 700 00:32:01,500 --> 00:32:02,917 {\an1}to the 1997 event, 701 00:32:03,042 --> 00:32:04,833 {\an1}that there was an increase 702 00:32:04,958 --> 00:32:06,667 {\an1}of sightings of triangular craft. 703 00:32:07,958 --> 00:32:10,833 {\an1}JASON: In fact, in January and February of 1997 704 00:32:10,958 --> 00:32:12,625 {\an1}we have multiple reports 705 00:32:12,708 --> 00:32:14,833 {\an1}from multiple locations 706 00:32:14,958 --> 00:32:17,042 {\an1}of the same formation of lights over Arizona. 707 00:32:18,292 --> 00:32:19,708 {\an1}SHANE: Air traffic controllers 708 00:32:19,875 --> 00:32:21,833 {\an1}at Sky Harbor International Airport 709 00:32:21,958 --> 00:32:24,125 {\an1}observed five equidistance lights 710 00:32:24,208 --> 00:32:26,042 {\an1}that rose about 1,000 feet 711 00:32:26,208 --> 00:32:27,667 {\an1}above the deck, 712 00:32:27,833 --> 00:32:30,417 {\an1}they floated back behind South Mountain, 713 00:32:30,542 --> 00:32:32,292 {\an1}and dropped out of sight. 714 00:32:32,375 --> 00:32:34,458 {\an1}They had no idea what they saw. 715 00:32:34,542 --> 00:32:38,167 {\an1}It wasn't on radar, and they behaved in a way 716 00:32:38,250 --> 00:32:40,250 {\an1}that was unexplainable. 717 00:32:40,375 --> 00:32:43,333 {\an1}LAURENCE: And right before the Phoenix Lights, 718 00:32:43,500 --> 00:32:47,625 {\an1}a tiny Arizona town is treated to an encounter of their own. 719 00:32:47,708 --> 00:32:50,042 {\an1}SHANE: On March 12th, 1997, 720 00:32:50,208 --> 00:32:52,833 {\an1}the night before the Phoenix Lights incident, 721 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,083 {\an1}a group of people made reports of UFOs 722 00:32:55,208 --> 00:32:57,042 {\an1}in a town called Leupp. 723 00:32:57,208 --> 00:32:59,667 {\an1}JASON: Leupp is 200 miles north of Phoenix, 724 00:32:59,750 --> 00:33:03,042 {\an1}south of the Grand Canyon and the Hopi Indian Reservation, 725 00:33:03,208 --> 00:33:05,375 {\an1}who as we've seen, share a rich mythology 726 00:33:05,500 --> 00:33:07,167 {\an1}of alien visitation. 727 00:33:07,250 --> 00:33:10,333 {\an1}SHANE: A large V-shaped aircraft appeared in their valley 728 00:33:10,458 --> 00:33:12,250 {\an1}with about a dozen other small craft, 729 00:33:12,375 --> 00:33:15,500 {\an1}and they began to float and engage each other 730 00:33:15,583 --> 00:33:18,625 {\an1}almost like an extraterrestrial ballet. 731 00:33:18,750 --> 00:33:21,083 {\an1}And these people pulled out their lawn chairs 732 00:33:21,208 --> 00:33:22,833 {\an1}and watched it like they were watching the fireworks 733 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,083 {\an1}on the 4th of July. 734 00:33:25,208 --> 00:33:27,917 {\an1}LAURENCE: But why did these possible visits ramp up, 735 00:33:28,042 --> 00:33:30,000 {\an1}and why did they stop? 736 00:33:30,167 --> 00:33:31,667 {\an1}JASON: That's the real question. 737 00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:34,417 {\an1}Let's say Arizona has been getting regular alien visitation 738 00:33:34,542 --> 00:33:35,958 {\an1}for millennia. 739 00:33:36,042 --> 00:33:38,208 {\an1}What's so special about the mid '90s 740 00:33:38,375 --> 00:33:40,333 {\an1}that we start to get a flurry of activity? 741 00:33:40,500 --> 00:33:43,167 {\an1}We go from a few visits per century 742 00:33:43,292 --> 00:33:46,500 {\an1}to a few visits per year, to several in the same month. 743 00:33:46,583 --> 00:33:48,792 {\an1}Then, absolutely nothing. 744 00:33:48,875 --> 00:33:53,542 {\an1}Can anybody explain that? 745 00:33:53,667 --> 00:33:55,292 {\an1}LAURENCE: Despite the many thousands of eyewitnesses 746 00:33:55,417 --> 00:33:58,167 {\an1}to the 1997 Phoenix event, 747 00:33:58,250 --> 00:34:01,458 {\an1}the cause of the incident remains a mystery. 748 00:34:01,542 --> 00:34:04,250 {\an1}It's military flares, it's an experimental aircraft, 749 00:34:04,375 --> 00:34:06,083 {\an1}it's a hoax, it's aliens. 750 00:34:06,208 --> 00:34:08,333 {\an1}Is the government covering something up? 751 00:34:08,458 --> 00:34:10,583 {\an1}Are we being targeted for some reason? 752 00:34:10,708 --> 00:34:12,458 {\an1}JASON: Each theory has some arguments for it 753 00:34:12,583 --> 00:34:13,917 {\an1}and some against it, 754 00:34:14,042 --> 00:34:15,167 {\an1}and each by itself leaves a lot 755 00:34:15,292 --> 00:34:17,000 {\an1}of unanswered questions. 756 00:34:17,125 --> 00:34:19,167 {\an1}MICHAEL: Many theorists say, "Wait a minute, 757 00:34:19,292 --> 00:34:20,458 {\an1}"we've had these answers here 758 00:34:20,542 --> 00:34:21,667 {\an1}the whole time." 759 00:34:21,792 --> 00:34:24,458 {\an1}The events on March 13th, 1997, 760 00:34:24,542 --> 00:34:27,042 {\an1}isn't just about just one of these theories. 761 00:34:27,167 --> 00:34:28,708 {\an1}It's about all of them. 762 00:34:32,375 --> 00:34:35,417 {\an1}LAURENCE: It all begins around 8:00 p.m. 763 00:34:35,542 --> 00:34:39,333 {\an1}This is the period when people actually see the spacecraft. 764 00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:42,167 {\an1}The hull of it and the structure of it is visible. 765 00:34:42,333 --> 00:34:45,042 {\an1}AMORY: The silent movements, the anti-gravity technology 766 00:34:45,167 --> 00:34:46,667 {\an1}it seems to exhibit. 767 00:34:46,750 --> 00:34:49,208 {\an1}Knowing what we now know about the long history 768 00:34:49,333 --> 00:34:51,667 {\an1}of UFO contact in the United States, 769 00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:54,417 {\an1}many are convinced that this is an alien ship. 770 00:34:54,542 --> 00:34:59,167 {\an1}It does a low slow pass across Nevada and Arizona, 771 00:34:59,292 --> 00:35:02,000 {\an1}sparking hundreds of reports to authorities. 772 00:35:02,125 --> 00:35:04,250 {\an1}MICHAEL: As we know from the Luke Air Force Base 773 00:35:04,375 --> 00:35:06,167 {\an1}radio caller, these UFO sightings 774 00:35:06,250 --> 00:35:08,333 {\an1}get the attention of the military. 775 00:35:08,458 --> 00:35:10,500 {\an1}JASON: They scramble their jets on a course to intercept. 776 00:35:10,625 --> 00:35:13,667 {\an1}According to that airman, they actually see the craft, 777 00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:15,375 {\an1}and perhaps even film it. 778 00:35:15,542 --> 00:35:18,042 {\an1}MICHAEL: Now, the airman claims that F-15s 779 00:35:18,208 --> 00:35:20,250 {\an1}were sent out to investigate. 780 00:35:20,375 --> 00:35:25,417 {\an1}But simultaneous reports here, here, and here 781 00:35:25,542 --> 00:35:27,958 {\an1}show that that may not have been so. 782 00:35:28,042 --> 00:35:30,083 {\an1}AMORY: Many don't believe they sent F-15s 783 00:35:30,208 --> 00:35:31,667 {\an1}next to the alien ship. 784 00:35:31,792 --> 00:35:34,125 {\an1}People didn't see any F-15s, 785 00:35:34,208 --> 00:35:36,042 {\an1}radar didn't pick up any F-15s, 786 00:35:36,167 --> 00:35:37,750 {\an1}nobody heard any F-15s. 787 00:35:39,583 --> 00:35:42,250 {\an1}MICHAEL: These are pretty loud fighter planes. 788 00:35:42,375 --> 00:35:45,375 {\an1}You know when an F-15 is flying overhead. 789 00:35:45,542 --> 00:35:47,333 {\an1}One thing that characterizes this whole event 790 00:35:47,458 --> 00:35:49,833 {\an1}is how quiet the whole thing was. 791 00:35:49,958 --> 00:35:53,417 {\an1}The military actually sends out a top-secret experimental craft. 792 00:35:53,542 --> 00:35:55,917 {\an1}People over here are seeing an alien ship, 793 00:35:56,042 --> 00:35:57,292 {\an1}while people over here are seeing 794 00:35:57,375 --> 00:35:58,917 {\an1}a top-secret military aircraft. 795 00:35:59,042 --> 00:36:01,125 {\an1}LAURENCE: Is it possible that the U.S. 796 00:36:01,208 --> 00:36:03,542 {\an1}scrambled a top-secret experimental craft 797 00:36:03,708 --> 00:36:06,167 {\an1}to intercept the alleged alien vessel? 798 00:36:07,292 --> 00:36:09,083 {\an1}One thing is certain, 799 00:36:09,208 --> 00:36:13,500 {\an1}whatever is in the air doesn't stay around long. 800 00:36:13,583 --> 00:36:16,000 {\an1}JASON: Why it leaves, we don't know. 801 00:36:16,125 --> 00:36:17,792 {\an1}Were they spooked by the military intercept? 802 00:36:17,917 --> 00:36:20,292 {\an1}MICHAEL: Are they trying to gather intelligence 803 00:36:20,417 --> 00:36:22,167 {\an1}on our defense capabilities? 804 00:36:22,333 --> 00:36:24,042 {\an1}Whatever the reason, they took off. 805 00:36:24,208 --> 00:36:26,375 {\an1}AMORY: Now, if this theory is correct, 806 00:36:26,542 --> 00:36:28,500 {\an1}the military has a problem on its hands. 807 00:36:28,625 --> 00:36:30,583 {\an1}They know a large amount of the population 808 00:36:30,708 --> 00:36:33,792 {\an1}in the Phoenix area has seen this alien spaceship. 809 00:36:33,917 --> 00:36:37,083 {\an1}But in 1997, the government's policy on UFOs 810 00:36:37,208 --> 00:36:41,250 {\an1}is very clear-- deny, deny, deny. 811 00:36:41,375 --> 00:36:43,625 {\an1}LAURENCE: Thanks to recent congressional hearings, 812 00:36:43,708 --> 00:36:47,667 {\an1}it's clear the military has a long clandestine history 813 00:36:47,792 --> 00:36:50,333 {\an1}of encounters with UAPs, 814 00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:53,250 {\an1}as well as a history of cover-ups. 815 00:36:57,875 --> 00:37:01,292 {\an1}Perhaps the Phoenix Lights is one of them. 816 00:37:01,375 --> 00:37:06,500 {\an1}And Luke Air Force Base is a possible ground zero. 817 00:37:06,667 --> 00:37:08,000 {\an1}JASON: So, the bigwigs at Luke Air Force Base 818 00:37:08,083 --> 00:37:09,500 {\an1}speak to their superiors, 819 00:37:09,667 --> 00:37:11,500 {\an1}and they realize they have precious little time 820 00:37:11,667 --> 00:37:13,250 {\an1}to figure out how to deal with this situation. 821 00:37:13,375 --> 00:37:15,375 {\an1}MICHAEL: Within a half hour or so, 822 00:37:15,542 --> 00:37:18,958 {\an1}they come up with a plan, a subterfuge, 823 00:37:19,083 --> 00:37:20,667 {\an1}which is a little hoax of their own. 824 00:37:20,792 --> 00:37:22,833 {\an1}JASON: They send up A-10 Warthogs 825 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,750 {\an1}to drop a series of flares right over Phoenix. 826 00:37:25,875 --> 00:37:29,333 {\an1}They choose a very visible place where everyone will see. 827 00:37:29,417 --> 00:37:31,125 {\an1}MICHAEL: So, if they were going to do 828 00:37:31,208 --> 00:37:34,167 {\an1}a secret quote-unquote "training exercise," 829 00:37:34,292 --> 00:37:36,042 {\an1}why would they drop these flares 830 00:37:36,208 --> 00:37:39,167 {\an1}in front of 2.5 million people 831 00:37:39,333 --> 00:37:41,167 {\an1}knowing they were gonna freak out about it? 832 00:37:41,250 --> 00:37:43,458 {\an1}JASON: If it was what they say it was, 833 00:37:43,542 --> 00:37:45,167 {\an1}they would have done it in seclusion. 834 00:37:45,292 --> 00:37:47,000 {\an1}They choose to drop the flares 835 00:37:47,167 --> 00:37:49,167 {\an1}in front of the whole city on purpose, 836 00:37:49,292 --> 00:37:51,083 {\an1}because it's not a training exercise, 837 00:37:51,208 --> 00:37:52,375 {\an1}it's a distraction. 838 00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:57,333 {\an1}LAURENCE: Their explanation works initially. 839 00:37:57,500 --> 00:38:00,167 {\an1}MICHAEL: While 1,000 people are seeing an alien spaceship, 840 00:38:00,333 --> 00:38:03,583 {\an1}a million-plus people are seeing flares in the sky. 841 00:38:03,708 --> 00:38:05,542 {\an1}JASON: That's the story the Air Force releases, 842 00:38:05,708 --> 00:38:08,458 {\an1}and they're able to convince people for a while. 843 00:38:08,542 --> 00:38:11,875 {\an1}MICHAEL: They at least confuse enough people to create doubt. 844 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,958 {\an1}They even convince the governor to ignore what he saw 845 00:38:16,083 --> 00:38:19,000 {\an1}and call the whole thing a joke on national television. 846 00:38:19,125 --> 00:38:21,333 {\an1}If it is just military flares 847 00:38:21,458 --> 00:38:23,333 {\an1}and I come out screaming about aliens, 848 00:38:23,417 --> 00:38:25,458 {\an1}I'm gonna be a laughing stock. 849 00:38:25,542 --> 00:38:29,167 {\an1}Once you have people thinking in that way, you've won. 850 00:38:29,333 --> 00:38:30,875 {\an1}MICHAEL: So, there's an alien encounter. 851 00:38:31,042 --> 00:38:34,583 {\an1}Then it's the sighting of a top-secret military aircraft. 852 00:38:34,708 --> 00:38:38,042 {\an1}Then it's flares used to create a hoax 853 00:38:38,208 --> 00:38:40,333 {\an1}and then to cover up the truth. 854 00:38:40,500 --> 00:38:43,083 {\an1}LAURENCE: Thanks to new government transparency, 855 00:38:43,208 --> 00:38:44,875 {\an1}believers are optimistic the truth 856 00:38:45,042 --> 00:38:46,625 {\an1}will someday be known. 857 00:38:46,708 --> 00:38:48,542 {\an1}Now that the armed forces are more open 858 00:38:48,667 --> 00:38:50,792 {\an1}about UFO sightings, there's renewed hope 859 00:38:50,917 --> 00:38:52,667 {\an1}that they might come out with more information 860 00:38:52,833 --> 00:38:54,458 {\an1}about what actually happened in Phoenix. 861 00:38:54,583 --> 00:38:57,125 {\an1}What did they encounter in 1997? 862 00:38:57,250 --> 00:38:59,667 {\an1}Did they actually capture it on film? 863 00:38:59,833 --> 00:39:03,000 {\an1}As they continue to declassify these files and videos, 864 00:39:03,167 --> 00:39:04,833 {\an1}maybe we'll find out. 865 00:39:04,958 --> 00:39:07,792 {\an1}As congressmen, senators, and even presidents have said, 866 00:39:07,917 --> 00:39:09,667 {\an1}the focus of their research is to determine 867 00:39:09,792 --> 00:39:12,000 {\an1}if UFOs pose a threat to America. 868 00:39:12,125 --> 00:39:13,875 {\an1}MICHAEL: Some people are curious, 869 00:39:14,042 --> 00:39:15,333 {\an1}and then there are some people 870 00:39:15,458 --> 00:39:17,792 {\an1}who are really scared. 871 00:39:17,875 --> 00:39:22,083 {\an1}Is Phoenix in the crosshairs of a possible interstellar war? 872 00:39:22,208 --> 00:39:24,500 {\an1}Well, the public would like to know that. 873 00:39:24,667 --> 00:39:26,333 {\an1}JASON: It's a hard thing to explain, 874 00:39:26,458 --> 00:39:29,083 {\an1}but a lot of people who experienced this event 875 00:39:29,208 --> 00:39:30,667 {\an1}came away feeling something, 876 00:39:30,792 --> 00:39:32,667 {\an1}wondering if they were meant to see it, 877 00:39:32,833 --> 00:39:35,458 {\an1}meant to feel it, meant to experience 878 00:39:35,583 --> 00:39:38,333 {\an1}some sort of connection with what they saw. 879 00:39:38,500 --> 00:39:40,417 {\an1}Some even describe feeling calm 880 00:39:40,542 --> 00:39:42,667 {\an1}or even being told to not be afraid. 881 00:39:42,750 --> 00:39:46,333 {\an1}People were in awe and in wonder, curious. 882 00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:47,917 {\an1}So many cars pulled over 883 00:39:48,042 --> 00:39:50,833 {\an1}to watch this amazing, 884 00:39:50,917 --> 00:39:53,125 {\an1}extraordinary sight. 885 00:39:53,208 --> 00:39:55,792 {\an1}In real time and in long term, 886 00:39:55,875 --> 00:40:00,250 {\an1}it affected the experiencers very profoundly. 887 00:40:00,375 --> 00:40:01,833 {\an1}Who are you? What are you? 888 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,792 {\an1}Do you know that I'm here? I'd love to meet you. 889 00:40:06,500 --> 00:40:09,000 {\an1}Today, the U.S. government's tracking 890 00:40:09,083 --> 00:40:10,667 {\an1}and studying of UFOs 891 00:40:10,792 --> 00:40:12,708 {\an1}continues under the authority 892 00:40:12,875 --> 00:40:15,792 {\an1}of the Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon Task Force. 893 00:40:15,917 --> 00:40:18,667 {\an1}There's even a new branch of the military to assist-- 894 00:40:18,833 --> 00:40:21,583 {\an1}the United States Space Force. 895 00:40:21,708 --> 00:40:24,417 {\an1}And perhaps together they'll gain insight 896 00:40:24,542 --> 00:40:27,250 {\an1}into what really happened in Phoenix. 897 00:40:27,375 --> 00:40:29,292 {\an1}I'm Laurence Fishburne. 898 00:40:29,375 --> 00:40:31,000 {\an1}Thank you for watching 899 00:40:31,167 --> 00:40:33,708 {\an1}"History's Greatest Mysteries." 97383

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