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-Southern California
in the 1980s.
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The epicenter
of porn's golden age.
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The sun, beach, palms, and money
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lured women
from across the country,
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all of them looking to make
a name for themselves.
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But there was one name
bigger than them all.
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- Traci Lords.
- Traci Lords.
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-Traci Lords was one of
the biggest stars
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of all time
in the adult film industry.
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-Every movie that came out
with her on the cover
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was a major bestseller.
- She was as big as big gets.
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-Until one day, a secret
is revealed
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that would upend
the entire adult film industry.
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-We realized the danger
that we were in.
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-A secret that would lead
to arrests and indictments.
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-I get a knock on the door.
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It's a woman and a man from
the district attorney's office.
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-I didn't feel culpable.
I mean, I had no idea.
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-Traci's secret would cause some
people in the industry millions.
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-If you had movies with her,
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you had to destroy them
or cut her out.
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-So we shredded all
the material,
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and we ran around town,
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dumping it
in different trash cans.
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-It left many questioning
what was true...
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-Nobody knew her lies
and her web
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that she had spun ran so deep.
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- ad who stood to gain.
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-But she then pulled off
the ultimate... scam.
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{\an8}♪♪
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-Well, let's take them on a
little stroll down memory lane.
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-1984. It was morning
in Reagan's America.
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"The Terminator"
dominated the box office.
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Madonna's "Like a Virgin"
was in heavy rotation
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on recently-launched MTV.
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1984 also marked a new day
in the porn industry,
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as film production moved west,
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stepping out of the dark, grimy,
mobbed-up sets of New York City
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and into the light
of a bright California sun.
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-If you've seen the porn from
the '70s, like in New York,
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they're miserable.
Those movies, they're unhappy.
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-I found the whole New York
porn scene dark,
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sleazy, with a lot of people
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that you would never want
to associate with.
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The women I worked with were
generally theatrically based,
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wearing wigs,
trying to hide the fact
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that they were in the industry.
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-But by the 1980s,
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that shifted to Southern
California in Los Angeles.
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There's all kinds of reasons
for that,
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one of which really simply
is just the weather.
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It's a little nicer to live
in Southern California
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and make movies there.
Outdoor locations are easier.
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-Los Angeles was also filled
with actresses
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seeking fame and fortune.
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Some found their way into porn
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after failing to find success
in mainstream Hollywood.
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-I never thought that porn was
how I was going to be famous.
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-And as adult movies began being
shot with the much cheaper,
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newly-invented video cameras,
those opportunities multiplied.
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-One of the things "Boogie
Nights" really gets right
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is the notion
of speed of production.
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-Just keep shooting.
This is video, where we shoot
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and then we deal with it later.
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-"Boogie Nights", the 1997 film
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starring Mark Wahlberg, Burt
Reynolds, and Julianne Moore
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encapsulated the story
of the porn industry
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grappling with this
rapidly changing world.
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-Alright, everybody.
Here we go.
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{\an8}-You have more and more people
coming into the adult industry
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{\an8}because there's a higher demand
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{\an8}and it's also easier
to produce the content.
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And so, we start to see
the adult industry
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expanding pretty rapidly.
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-1984 was also the year a
mysterious and beautiful wannabe
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actress would arrive
in California...
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Traci Lords.
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-The first thing
that comes to mind
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was how charismatic she was.
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{\an8}You'd walk into a restaurant
with her in Mexico
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{\an8}and everybody'd stand up
and clap.
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{\an8}They didn't know who she was.
They didn't know what she did,
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{\an8}but they could just feel
that sexual charisma.
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She was amazing.
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I did photograph Traci Lords
more than anybody.
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She was my favorite.
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-What really caught my eye here
was the title.
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"Meet the Ladies
behind those nasty skin mags."
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And of course, it features you.
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- [ Chuckles ]
- "Nasty skin mags."
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Like, there's so much
stigma attached to that.
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-Nasty's good.
We got lots of press.
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-I'm Holly Randall.
My mother is Suze Randall,
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who's one of the pioneers,
I think, for women
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working behind the camera
in the adult industry.
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-I worked for
"Playboy", "Penthouse"
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"Hustler",
fought with all of them,
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and worked for myself.
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-Suze Randall
originally shot Traci
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for a "Penthouse" centerfold.
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I do remember the first time
I met Traci Lords.,
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because she came
to our house with
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her mother's boyfriend,
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which now, thinking back,
was kind of weird.
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-Because what no one knew
at this point
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was that Traci
was harboring a dark secret.
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{\an8}-Traci was born Nora Kuzma
in 1968 in Ohio.
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{\an8}When she was 12 years old,
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{\an8}she moved with her mother
and her sisters
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and her mother's boyfriend
to Southern California.
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-Foreshadowing accusations about
her possible ulterior motives
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years later, Traci wrote
about seeing California
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for the first time in her book,
"Underneath It All",
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believing that Hollywood would
become her ultimate destiny.
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Traci claimed in her book
that her mother's boyfriend,
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who she calls Roger,
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began sexually assaulting her
when she was just 12 years old,
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and that it started almost
immediately after the family
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moved in with him.
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As is common with many victims,
Traci said
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she kept the traumatizing
sexual abuse a secret,
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hiding it from her mother,
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writing in her memoir...
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Nora claimed that sex
with a high school boyfriend
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led to pregnancy.
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She needed money to pay for an
abortion, but only 15 years old,
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she was too young to get a job.
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She later wrote
that Roger had a solution.
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He introduced her
to a family friend
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who gave Nora
her birth certificate.
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Nora explained that she took the
birth certificate
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to the DMV,
had her photos and prints taken,
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and walked out as 22-year-old
Kristie Nussman,
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Nora Kuzma behind for good.
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She claimed it was Roger
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who then took her to Jim
South's World Modeling Agency,
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one of only two adult agencies
at the time.
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-We're modeling.
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-All the girls went to
Jim South.
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-Jim South was very well
regarded in the industry.
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-He discovered
all of the big names.
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-Jim South was profiled
in a documentary about
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the adult industry
called "Fallen Angels",
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which gave a raw, candid,
and sometimes depressing view
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of what the porn industry
was like in the early '80s.
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Ginger Lynn and Christy Canyon
were also signed to Jim South.
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{\an8}-Jim said to me, "We need to
take some Polaroids."
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{\an8}And I remember he took me
into the side room
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{\an8}and he asked me to get naked
and I took my clothes off.
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I had no trouble
doing that whatsoever.
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-We feel that it will get her
a lot more work
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if I circulate
some of these Polaroids.
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-He takes the Polaroid.
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-Give me a smile.
Okay, one more.
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{\an8}-Click, click.
[ Imitates printing ]
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{\an8}The Polaroid
comes out. "Turn around.
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{\an8}Let's get a side view.
Let me see your fanny."
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And that's when I was like.
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"Oh, God, is he gonna
like, pull his dick out?"
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No. He was like...
You know, I turn around,
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he's like fanning them out,
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waiting
for that Polaroid to dry.
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There was nothing gross
about it.
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There was nothing, like,
tawdry at all about it.
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-He was very professional.
He was always there for them.
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He wanted the best for them.
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-Okay, now, you guys, we're set.
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-He was not sleazy or cheesy.
He was great.
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-Traci had a different
impression of Jim South,
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who she calls
Tim North in her book,
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alleging in vivid detail that he
gave her cocaine and champagne
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during her first encounter
with him.
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Those allegations
would be argued over
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by other porn stars
signed to Jim South
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in the years to follow,
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saying this was proof
that Traci was lying.
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But many say that
in their experience,
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Jim South always checked that
the women were of legal age...
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-Do you have legal ID
showing your age?
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No, no.
Legal ID,
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like a birth certificate,
a driver's license.
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{\an8}-...including Traci Lords.
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{\an8}-So I went into this agency
with the fake ID
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{\an8}that we's just discussed,
and, you know, they said,
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{\an8}"Are you 21?"
And I went, "Uh-huh."
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{\an8}-They asked for my IDs.
I gave them my IDs.
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It was September of 1983.
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I was 19 years old,
turning 20 in December.
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-At that time, I never suspected
anybody else was underaged,
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because we all had to have ID.
Mine was real.
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I didn't even think
somebody would get a fake ID.
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{\an8}-Later on, I found out that many
young women in the industry...
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{\an8}I'm not going to name names...
Started at 17 or 16
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and no one ever found out.
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-Still in school, Traci starts
posing nude for spreads
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in several porn magazines,
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{\an8}where she drops the name Nora
Kuzma to become Traci Lords.
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{\an8}She took the last name Lords
because she was a huge fan
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{\an8}of Jack Lord from the TV
series "Hawaii Five-O".
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-Book 'em, Danno.
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-Traci's memoir reveals that
she was self-aware enough
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to recognize that,
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while she knew
what she was doing was wrong,
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she got a thrill from it, too.
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And that thrill seemed
to outweigh everything else.
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But then a boy at Traci's
high school
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recognizes her in a magazine
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and shows it to her
in front of her classmates.
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For all of her previous bluster
about being found out,
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when it actually happens,
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it turns out
to be devastating for her.
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Traci writes about
how horrifying
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the moment is in her book.
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She heads to Hollywood,
just a few miles,
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but a world away from her mom's
house in nearby Redondo Beach.
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Still only 16,
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but armed with her
DMV-issued fake ID,
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Traci's career
in the porn industry takes off.
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-Every movie that came out
with her on the cover
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was a major bestseller.
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-She entered the business
in 1984,
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and by the time
she was 16 years old,
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she's one of the most successful
and highly paid
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performers in the industry.
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-You might call Ginger Lynn,
Traci Lords,
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{\an7}and Christy Canyon
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the Charlie's Angels
of the porn industry.
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-And there was a fierce
competition for the spotlight,
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with Traci frequently
taking center stage.
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-Traci was the only person
in the adult industry
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that I ever felt
that I had any competition with.
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She had more confidence
than I did.
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She had more sex appeal
than I did.
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She had bigger tits than I did.
That only added fuel to the fire
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of my not liking her
immediately from the beginning.
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-I would assume that when you
are a top female performer
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and somebody new comes up
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and starts getting
all the attention,
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you're not happy about that.
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-Ginger may be best known
for "Kinky Business",
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a play on the Tom Cruise
classic "Risky Business".
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But Ginger's version starts
with a much different
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kind of stress dream.
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-That's a hard-on.
I'm going to tell my mother.
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When I did
my first couple of films,
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I got back home and I was like,
"You know what?
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I think I'm going to do
more movies.
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I'm making bank.
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I'm having a great time."
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Tastes good, too.
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And so, I became very popular
very quickly and worked a lot.
252
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Christy Canyon's star begins
to rise by headlining movies
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like "Erotica Jones".
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In that film,
she plays a repressed housewife
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who calls handymen
and handywomen...
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-Ouch!
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- to service her every fantasy.
258
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-Why don't you come in?
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I was just there now,
having fun,
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banking a couple bucks,
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learning the most amazing things
about sex on camera.
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Like, I'd never been
with two guys before.
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I had never been
with a girl before.
264
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-But it was Traci that emerged
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as one of the most desired
performers in the industry.
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-Here's the thing.
I loved working with her.
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She and Ginger were my two
favorite girls to work with
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for completely opposite reasons.
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Ginger and I were these fun
little school girls,
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whereas when you worked
with Traci,
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she was like this porcelain doll
in a way.
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She was very cold.
She was very calculating.
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But it was kind of fun,
and she was in charge.
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I had no doubt in my mind that
she was truly a superstar.
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-She was as big as big gets.
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{\an8}I think she dwarfed Christy
and Ginger at the time.
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{\an8}She was so big,
so fast, in so many movies,
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on so many box covers.
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-Traci was well known for
her energetic,
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exuberant performances,
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and especially for her loud,
wild vocalizations
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during sex scenes.
283
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-You can hear those
vocalizations
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in "Traci, I Love You".
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-[ Moaning ]
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-Her noises were stupid.
287
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-But those noises were
a smart way for Traci
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to get the only thing
that seemed to matter
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to her... people's attention,
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as she wrote in her book.
291
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Traci and the rest
of the industry
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would soon get
the attention she craved.
293
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But it wasn't
the kind anyone wanted.
294
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-I don't know
what the true story is.
295
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Everything she has said
has been a lie.
296
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-We realized the danger
that we were in.
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-By the mid-1980s,
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making money was at the center
of American culture,
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as Gordon Gekko said
300
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in this iconic moment
in the movie "Wall Street".
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-The point is, ladies
and gentlemen, that greed,
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for lack of a better word,
is good.
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-And that certainly seemed to be
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a driving motivation
in the porn industry.
305
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-I was making anywhere between
$500 to $1,200 a day.
306
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{\an8}Women could generate twice that,
307
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{\an8}at least $1,200 to $2,000
a scene.
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-I have made 76 films
in the adult film industry.
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-But quantity didn't
replace extravagance.
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{\an8}-Back in the '80s,
it was literally like working
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{\an8}for MGM or Paramount.
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They had wardrobe,
they had hair, they had makeup.
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They had crews come in
to cook you three meals a day.
314
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I thought that
it was very glamorous.
315
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I thought that it was beautiful.
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I felt proud
to be on a porn set.
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-Traci Lords was one of
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the highest
paid performers on those sets.
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-She had the reputation
of being a diva,
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but so did mainstream
Hollywood stars.
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I'm sure she got $1,000 a day,
but producers were probably
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making
$1 million off of that scene.
323
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So they put up with her.
324
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"You don't want Thai food?
Great. What do you want?
325
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We'll get... We'll get you
three different things."
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They did anything to make all of
us happy, but especially Traci.
327
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They were willing to bend
over backwards for her
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because
100,000 pieces out the door.
329
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Don't forget, in the mid-80s,
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those VHS
tapes were going for $89.
331
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They were making friggin' bank.
332
00:16:28,905 --> 00:16:31,383
-But as Traci Lords explained
to Larry King,
333
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{\an8}just because her face was
on almost every VHS box cover
334
00:16:35,244 --> 00:16:38,307
{\an8}didn't mean she was getting paid
for all of those movies.
335
00:16:38,331 --> 00:16:39,975
{\an8}-You make one film in one day
336
00:16:39,999 --> 00:16:41,935
{\an8}and they edit it
into 50 different ones
337
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{\an8}with different titles
and pictures,
338
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{\an8}and all of a sudden,
they think that you made 50.
339
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{\an8}There were maybe 20 films
over... over three years,
340
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{\an8}as if that's not enough.
341
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{\an8}You know, the entire...
That whole three year period,
342
00:16:52,845 --> 00:16:54,865
{\an8}you know, I maybe made $40,000.
343
00:16:54,889 --> 00:16:57,367
-No matter how much Traci and
her fellow actors
344
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actually earned,
money in the '80s,
345
00:16:59,519 --> 00:17:02,331
often brought one thing with
it... temptation.
346
00:17:02,355 --> 00:17:04,374
-I got caught up in
the party crowd
347
00:17:04,398 --> 00:17:09,087
and I got caught up in cocaine
and champagne and limousines.
348
00:17:09,111 --> 00:17:10,756
-Everyone was doing drugs.
349
00:17:10,780 --> 00:17:13,050
-Drugs were a problem
in the industry. That's true.
350
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{\an8}We never got into cocaine.
That's a terrible, terrible drug
351
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{\an8}because it makes you
feel like you know everything
352
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and you're really important
353
00:17:22,375 --> 00:17:24,311
and you become
the center of attention
354
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because you've got the cocaine,
not because anybody likes you.
355
00:17:29,382 --> 00:17:35,989
A lot of girls, I had
to resuscitate, get into rehab.
356
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I was quite good at that sort of
thing, playing the nurse thing.
357
00:17:39,642 --> 00:17:42,037
-One of the girls Suze rescued
was Ginger,
358
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whose addiction
grew to be so bad
359
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that she became
barely recognizable
360
00:17:46,565 --> 00:17:49,044
and very few wanted
to shoot with her.
361
00:17:49,068 --> 00:17:51,338
{\an8}-My reputation had gone down.
Everybody knew
362
00:17:51,362 --> 00:17:52,798
{\an8}that I was thin, I was on drugs,
363
00:17:52,822 --> 00:17:55,050
{\an8}that I wasn't doing well,
and Suze Randall...
364
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{\an8}this is one of my most
special moments in my life...
365
00:17:59,870 --> 00:18:01,431
Suze came in and she said,
366
00:18:01,455 --> 00:18:03,892
"You can be a drug addict
all you want, if you want,
367
00:18:03,916 --> 00:18:06,061
or you can get your shit
together. You make the choice.
368
00:18:06,085 --> 00:18:09,481
What do you want to do?
Which way do you want to go?"
369
00:18:09,505 --> 00:18:13,318
And... I didn't know,
370
00:18:13,342 --> 00:18:15,404
but I knew I didn't want
to be a drug addict.
371
00:18:15,428 --> 00:18:18,949
I had my values. I had my rules.
I had my confidence.
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I had all of these
wonderful things
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00:18:21,434 --> 00:18:23,370
that my father
had instilled in me.
374
00:18:23,394 --> 00:18:27,165
Had it not been for Suze
coming over that day
375
00:18:27,189 --> 00:18:29,084
and telling me
to get my shit together,
376
00:18:29,108 --> 00:18:30,585
I don't think
I would be here today.
377
00:18:30,609 --> 00:18:33,171
I mean,
I was on a really bad path.
378
00:18:33,195 --> 00:18:36,591
-Traci Lords says she also got
caught up in the whirlwind
379
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of porn's party scene.
380
00:18:38,117 --> 00:18:40,137
But drugs weren't the only thing
381
00:18:40,161 --> 00:18:43,056
Traci sought out when
the cameras stopped rolling.
382
00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,310
-I remember working with
Traci Lords on "Kinky Business".
383
00:18:46,334 --> 00:18:50,314
I had this blowjob scene
in the shower with Tom Byron,
384
00:18:50,338 --> 00:18:51,940
and I'm sucking his dick,
385
00:18:51,964 --> 00:18:53,775
which I actually won an award
for... Best Blowjob.
386
00:18:53,799 --> 00:18:56,862
My grandma was so proud of me.
I ended the scene,
387
00:18:56,886 --> 00:19:00,824
and I looked out the window.
Traci was on the diving board.
388
00:19:00,848 --> 00:19:05,120
Someone from the crew.
She was extremely sexual.
389
00:19:05,144 --> 00:19:11,293
She was slutty. She was sexy.
She was just... She exuded sex.
390
00:19:11,317 --> 00:19:14,338
-While Traci acknowledged
this perceived promiscuity,
391
00:19:14,362 --> 00:19:18,050
victims of sexual abuse
may see sex as the only way
392
00:19:18,074 --> 00:19:21,136
to get love or attention
from those around them.
393
00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,496
She explained her experience
in her book.
394
00:19:45,101 --> 00:19:48,372
Traci also told stories on set
that left her co-stars
395
00:19:48,396 --> 00:19:49,998
wondering if her polluted mind
396
00:19:50,022 --> 00:19:53,126
could no longer tell truth
from fiction.
397
00:19:53,150 --> 00:19:56,338
-I remember on one of the sets,
she said to me,
398
00:19:56,362 --> 00:19:57,923
"You know, Christy,
399
00:19:57,947 --> 00:20:01,259
I was a virgin until I got
in the porn business."
400
00:20:01,283 --> 00:20:04,137
And I was thinking, "God, I just
saw two guys piledrive you.
401
00:20:04,161 --> 00:20:06,348
Like, you learn
pretty fast on the job."
402
00:20:06,372 --> 00:20:09,393
But then, like a month later,
I remember Traci Lords saying,
403
00:20:09,417 --> 00:20:13,522
"You know, in high school,
I... the whole football team."
404
00:20:13,546 --> 00:20:16,233
And I thought,
405
00:20:16,257 --> 00:20:19,111
"You told me you were a virgin
before you got in the business."
406
00:20:19,135 --> 00:20:22,781
-I never really had a lot of
conversations with Traci.
407
00:20:22,805 --> 00:20:26,201
We did not communicate
well at all before,
408
00:20:26,225 --> 00:20:28,745
during, or after scenes.
She would just say
409
00:20:28,769 --> 00:20:32,374
different things
nonchalantly that you just went,
410
00:20:32,398 --> 00:20:33,750
"That doesn't sound right."
411
00:20:33,774 --> 00:20:35,210
-"Huh, she sure lies a lot,
and boy,
412
00:20:35,234 --> 00:20:36,962
they're such opposite lies."
413
00:20:36,986 --> 00:20:38,547
But I just...
414
00:20:38,571 --> 00:20:41,216
Again, at 18, you just don't
really give a shit.
415
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,009
So I just went along
my merry way.
416
00:20:43,033 --> 00:20:46,096
-There was never a smile
or an honesty
417
00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:48,056
or reality with Traci Lords.
418
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,934
There was always this...
Something was off.
419
00:20:50,958 --> 00:20:53,061
I didn't believe anything
that she said.
420
00:20:53,085 --> 00:20:55,313
-But in the porn business,
the bottom line
421
00:20:55,337 --> 00:20:57,190
is often all that matters,
422
00:20:57,214 --> 00:21:00,736
and Traci Lords was one of the
industry's biggest moneymakers.
423
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,904
She was so popular
that photographer
424
00:21:02,928 --> 00:21:06,032
Suze Randall thought
Traci could go beyond porn.
425
00:21:06,056 --> 00:21:09,411
-She was a great model.
She was a great mover,
426
00:21:09,435 --> 00:21:13,165
and I thought she should explore
other avenues.
427
00:21:13,189 --> 00:21:15,876
-So Suze shot her for
the prestigious
428
00:21:15,900 --> 00:21:19,337
Lamb's Navy Rum calendar,
popular in the UK,
429
00:21:19,361 --> 00:21:21,339
but on a promotion trip
to Britain,
430
00:21:21,363 --> 00:21:24,384
Suze learned you can take
an actress out of porn,
431
00:21:24,408 --> 00:21:27,554
but maybe not the porn
out of the actress.
432
00:21:27,578 --> 00:21:29,097
-They flew us over to London
433
00:21:29,121 --> 00:21:32,225
for the presentation
of the calendar.
434
00:21:32,249 --> 00:21:35,979
All she did was give the agent's
son a blowjob in the dark room.
435
00:21:36,003 --> 00:21:40,984
She wasn't really interested
in modeling.
436
00:21:41,008 --> 00:21:42,777
-When they returned to the US,
437
00:21:42,801 --> 00:21:44,738
news about Traci's past
would mark
438
00:21:44,762 --> 00:21:49,451
the end of anyone's interest
in making Traci more mainstream.
439
00:21:49,475 --> 00:21:53,497
-I got a sniffling of it
when we got off the plane
440
00:21:53,521 --> 00:21:54,915
coming back from London
441
00:21:54,939 --> 00:21:59,085
and all the press was around us,
paparazzi,
442
00:21:59,109 --> 00:22:01,630
and they were
murmuring something.
443
00:22:01,654 --> 00:22:03,381
-A young woman,
widely publicized
444
00:22:03,405 --> 00:22:05,675
under the name of Traci Lords,
445
00:22:05,699 --> 00:22:08,053
may legally be just a child.
446
00:22:08,077 --> 00:22:11,139
-I was shocked.
I mean, I had no idea.
447
00:22:11,163 --> 00:22:13,058
-I'm at my house
in Beverly Hills.
448
00:22:13,082 --> 00:22:14,893
I get a knock on the door.
449
00:22:14,917 --> 00:22:16,937
It's a woman and a man from
the district attorney's office.
450
00:22:16,961 --> 00:22:18,522
We sit down at my table
451
00:22:18,546 --> 00:22:21,024
and she starts asking me
questions about Traci Lords.
452
00:22:21,048 --> 00:22:23,509
-We realized the danger
that we were in.
453
00:22:30,015 --> 00:22:31,701
-I was watching some TV show.
454
00:22:31,725 --> 00:22:33,495
I'm probably, like,
cleaning my apartment
455
00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:34,621
and just... it was kind of,
456
00:22:34,645 --> 00:22:36,581
you know,
"Entertainment Tonight",
457
00:22:36,605 --> 00:22:39,793
and I remember, you know, like,
doo-doo-doo, cleaning in here.
458
00:22:39,817 --> 00:22:41,878
"Underage porn star
Traci Lords."
459
00:22:41,902 --> 00:22:46,174
And I just remember saying,
"She was how old?!"
460
00:22:46,198 --> 00:22:51,012
It was a shock. At no point
did I think she was under 20.
461
00:22:51,036 --> 00:22:54,849
She carried herself really well,
really confident.
462
00:22:54,873 --> 00:22:57,519
I was 18 and I had
a 10th of her confidence.
463
00:22:57,543 --> 00:22:59,771
I don't know how she was so
confident, but... [whistles]
464
00:22:59,795 --> 00:23:04,109
{\an8}-Police sources say the star of
adult movies was legally a child
465
00:23:04,133 --> 00:23:05,902
when she made most of them,
466
00:23:05,926 --> 00:23:10,031
that she began in sex films
as a 16-year-old Ohio runaway.
467
00:23:10,055 --> 00:23:12,075
-The news shook
the California-based
468
00:23:12,099 --> 00:23:13,952
adult entertainment industry.
469
00:23:13,976 --> 00:23:16,454
It had implications
for performers,
470
00:23:16,478 --> 00:23:20,250
photographers, producers,
and production companies,
471
00:23:20,274 --> 00:23:21,793
even that member of the crew
472
00:23:21,817 --> 00:23:24,713
Traci allegedly had sex with
on set.
473
00:23:24,737 --> 00:23:27,173
Most everyone in
that world remembers
474
00:23:27,197 --> 00:23:30,552
where they were on
July 18th, 1986.
475
00:23:30,576 --> 00:23:34,389
-Well, that was a terrible day.
Very scary day.
476
00:23:34,413 --> 00:23:36,933
I went, "Oh, my God,
that sounds like Traci."
477
00:23:36,957 --> 00:23:38,935
I don't think
she meant any harm.
478
00:23:38,959 --> 00:23:41,062
She would never have wanted
to harm me.
479
00:23:41,086 --> 00:23:43,940
But it scared the shit
out of the whole industry.
480
00:23:43,964 --> 00:23:48,361
{\an8}-I was in Philadelphia when the
Traci Lords "scandal" happened.
481
00:23:48,385 --> 00:23:52,532
I knew Traci. I interviewed her
along with my business partner
482
00:23:52,556 --> 00:23:54,284
at one of the trade shows
483
00:23:54,308 --> 00:23:58,204
when she was supposedly
a young new starlet who was 18.
484
00:23:58,228 --> 00:24:00,540
I didn't know her age.
- I was shocked.
485
00:24:00,564 --> 00:24:04,336
I wasn't scared.
I didn't feel culpable.
486
00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:07,380
{\an8}I mean, I had no idea.
Had I known, of course,
487
00:24:07,404 --> 00:24:09,424
{\an8}I wouldn't have done
anything like that, you know,
488
00:24:09,448 --> 00:24:13,595
{\an8}nor would 95%
of the people I know.
489
00:24:13,619 --> 00:24:15,263
They would have just backed off.
490
00:24:15,287 --> 00:24:17,265
You know, I mean, they...
You know, wait 'til she's 18.
491
00:24:17,289 --> 00:24:20,602
-And it was like,
"Who could I call first?"
492
00:24:20,626 --> 00:24:25,482
{\an8}Alexis, the makeup artist.
And of course, that was 1986,
493
00:24:25,506 --> 00:24:27,567
{\an8}so I don't even think they have
call waiting back then.
494
00:24:27,591 --> 00:24:30,111
{\an8}So, like, I get a busy signal,
I'd be like,
495
00:24:30,135 --> 00:24:32,197
{\an8}"Operator, can I make
an emergency call?"
496
00:24:32,221 --> 00:24:33,698
{\an8}Because we used
to make emergency calls
497
00:24:33,722 --> 00:24:35,241
{\an8}in the day, right?
498
00:24:35,265 --> 00:24:37,285
{\an8}We were just like,
"Oh, my God, she was underaged."
499
00:24:37,309 --> 00:24:39,788
{\an8}-It's funny when you think of it
now, about how fast news travels
500
00:24:39,812 --> 00:24:42,582
{\an8}these days with social media
and the Internet and everything.
501
00:24:42,606 --> 00:24:45,126
But back then, you know,
obviously, you got your news
502
00:24:45,150 --> 00:24:46,961
from people
calling you on the phone
503
00:24:46,985 --> 00:24:49,005
and seeing it on the 10:00 news.
504
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:51,841
{\an8}My initial reaction was,
"I don't believe it.
505
00:24:51,865 --> 00:24:53,593
{\an8}I don't believe she's underaged.
506
00:24:53,617 --> 00:24:58,139
{\an8}There's no way this little vixen
can be an underaged person."
507
00:24:58,163 --> 00:25:00,225
{\an8}-Later, in her Larry King
interview,
508
00:25:00,249 --> 00:25:02,018
{\an8}Traci talked about
how she was able
509
00:25:02,042 --> 00:25:06,189
{\an8}to work in the porn business
even though she was underage.
510
00:25:06,213 --> 00:25:07,607
{\an8}-If you said you were
old enough,
511
00:25:07,631 --> 00:25:09,317
{\an8}people kind
of went, "Yeah, okay, sure."
512
00:25:09,341 --> 00:25:13,321
{\an8}-My reaction to Traci
as a seasoned performer
513
00:25:13,345 --> 00:25:16,074
was somebody who was
totally in charge,
514
00:25:16,098 --> 00:25:17,617
directing the action like that.
515
00:25:17,641 --> 00:25:20,495
You're like... she was...
She was...
516
00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:22,372
To me, she was not a victim.
517
00:25:22,396 --> 00:25:27,419
But the reality is, if you're
15 years old, you are a victim.
518
00:25:27,443 --> 00:25:31,214
-But Traci, as the victim, is
not how law enforcement saw it
519
00:25:31,238 --> 00:25:32,841
when the story first broke.
520
00:25:32,865 --> 00:25:34,676
She even wrote about
how she felt
521
00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:36,302
like a criminal at that moment.
522
00:25:36,326 --> 00:25:39,329
-She herself was taken into
custody.
523
00:25:59,892 --> 00:26:01,536
-Once she was found
to be under age,
524
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,413
all the retailers
had to return the movies,
525
00:26:03,437 --> 00:26:05,457
the distributors had
to return the movies.
526
00:26:05,481 --> 00:26:08,585
If you had movies with her,
you had to destroy them
527
00:26:08,609 --> 00:26:11,671
or cut her out of the movies.
528
00:26:11,695 --> 00:26:13,882
-Instantly, any X-rated videos
529
00:26:13,906 --> 00:26:17,635
featuring Traci Lords became
illegal child pornography.
530
00:26:17,659 --> 00:26:21,097
-The industry began sweeping
its shelves of Lords' movies.
531
00:26:21,121 --> 00:26:25,935
{\an8}-The whole industry is extremely
shocked and they're frightened.
532
00:26:25,959 --> 00:26:27,520
{\an8}They don't know
which way to move.
533
00:26:27,544 --> 00:26:29,731
{\an8}-This wiped out millions of
dollars in inventory
534
00:26:29,755 --> 00:26:33,443
{\an8}for those stores and really sent
the home video industry
535
00:26:33,467 --> 00:26:35,945
and the adult film industry
into a tailspin.
536
00:26:35,969 --> 00:26:38,698
-There was a lot of grumbling
from the uppity-ups
537
00:26:38,722 --> 00:26:41,075
in the industry, that they were
losing so much money.
538
00:26:41,099 --> 00:26:44,829
But I was also in some ways
pleased
539
00:26:44,853 --> 00:26:47,081
that some of the scumbags
in the industry
540
00:26:47,105 --> 00:26:48,500
got... financially.
541
00:26:48,524 --> 00:26:51,085
I mean, I know
that doesn't sound
542
00:26:51,109 --> 00:26:52,796
like a real home team player,
543
00:26:52,820 --> 00:26:56,049
but there was so many assholes
in the industry,
544
00:26:56,073 --> 00:26:58,009
I was happy they lost money.
545
00:26:58,033 --> 00:27:01,262
-When I found out that Traci
was underage, I wasn't afraid
546
00:27:01,286 --> 00:27:02,931
for me,
I was afraid for my friends.
547
00:27:02,955 --> 00:27:05,642
If I remember correctly,
one of my friend's fathers,
548
00:27:05,666 --> 00:27:09,437
one of the photographers,
had shot Traci all the time
549
00:27:09,461 --> 00:27:11,397
and they were trying
to get rid of everything.
550
00:27:11,421 --> 00:27:14,567
Half of his catalogue
was Traci Lords.
551
00:27:14,591 --> 00:27:16,861
I was told that he ended up
having to go in
552
00:27:16,885 --> 00:27:20,281
to a mental health facility
for a while after this happened.
553
00:27:20,305 --> 00:27:25,203
-It really was a huge earthquake
in the adult business.
554
00:27:25,227 --> 00:27:29,040
No one wanted to get caught
for underage talent.
555
00:27:29,064 --> 00:27:30,708
-It's really remarkable to me
556
00:27:30,732 --> 00:27:32,710
that there's this whole piece
of adult film history
557
00:27:32,734 --> 00:27:36,297
featuring one of the biggest
stars, most successful
558
00:27:36,321 --> 00:27:40,093
that's been all but erased
from this history.
559
00:27:40,117 --> 00:27:41,803
-My best friend, Tina Marie,
was like,
560
00:27:41,827 --> 00:27:44,264
"Yeah, my husband's
pulling all of her footage."
561
00:27:44,288 --> 00:27:46,599
Ron Vogel, his daughter, Alexis,
was like,
562
00:27:46,623 --> 00:27:49,352
"Oh my God, my dad's there.
He's pulling all of her stills.
563
00:27:49,376 --> 00:27:54,649
We're burning everything."
Like, it was huge news.
564
00:27:54,673 --> 00:27:57,610
-Photographer Suze Randall
was in a state of panic.
565
00:27:57,634 --> 00:27:59,779
She now faced
potential prosecution
566
00:27:59,803 --> 00:28:02,740
for taking hundreds of naked
photographs of a minor.
567
00:28:02,764 --> 00:28:07,954
-We realized the danger
that we were in.
568
00:28:07,978 --> 00:28:09,956
-There was an article about it,
like,
569
00:28:09,980 --> 00:28:12,500
"Comes to light... Traci Lords,
underage porn star."
570
00:28:12,524 --> 00:28:14,544
And my dad was just like,
571
00:28:14,568 --> 00:28:16,671
"Oh, shit."
572
00:28:16,695 --> 00:28:22,552
-So we shredded all the material
and we ran around town
573
00:28:22,576 --> 00:28:26,347
dumping it
in different trash cans.
574
00:28:26,371 --> 00:28:29,642
-I think I had about five trash
bags full of Traci Lords'
575
00:28:29,666 --> 00:28:33,104
{\an8}pictures and drove around
the various supermarkets,
576
00:28:33,128 --> 00:28:34,772
{\an8}looking for ones
with empty bins,
577
00:28:34,796 --> 00:28:36,983
{\an8}because you didn't want to throw
them on top of
578
00:28:37,007 --> 00:28:38,776
because it might get out.
579
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,404
-Bye-bye, Traci.
580
00:28:41,428 --> 00:28:43,448
-I was seven years old.
581
00:28:43,472 --> 00:28:45,658
I sort of knew what my parents
did for a living,
582
00:28:45,682 --> 00:28:48,536
but I didn't have
a full understanding of it.
583
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,539
So all they could really tell me
was, "Cops might come
584
00:28:51,563 --> 00:28:55,376
and take Mommy and Daddy
away to jail.
585
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,420
If this happens,
you need to call these people
586
00:28:57,444 --> 00:28:58,796
and they're going to
take care of it
587
00:28:58,820 --> 00:29:00,590
and everything's going
to be alright."
588
00:29:00,614 --> 00:29:04,469
-I did warn Holly that if we
went to jail to call my lawyer
589
00:29:04,493 --> 00:29:06,888
who lived down the street,
590
00:29:06,912 --> 00:29:09,474
-I don't understand
why my parents would go to jail.
591
00:29:09,498 --> 00:29:11,351
My parents were good people.
592
00:29:11,375 --> 00:29:14,520
-Some of the adults who had sex
with the underage Traci
593
00:29:14,544 --> 00:29:17,982
would become targets
of the investigation as well.
594
00:29:18,006 --> 00:29:21,361
-They wanted me to testify
on Traci Lords' behalf
595
00:29:21,385 --> 00:29:23,905
against 64 adult film producers.
596
00:29:23,929 --> 00:29:26,532
And they said to me
very specifically,
597
00:29:26,556 --> 00:29:27,992
"If you don't help us with this,
598
00:29:28,016 --> 00:29:29,816
we are going to make
your life very difficult.
599
00:29:35,357 --> 00:29:36,751
-I'm at my house
in Beverly Hills.
600
00:29:36,775 --> 00:29:38,586
{\an8}[ Knock on door ]
I get a knock on the door.
601
00:29:38,610 --> 00:29:40,546
{\an8}It's a woman and a man from
the district attorney's office.
602
00:29:40,570 --> 00:29:42,340
{\an8}We sit down at my table
603
00:29:42,364 --> 00:29:45,426
and she starts asking me
questions about Traci Lords.
604
00:29:45,450 --> 00:29:48,054
And I looked down
and she had a little bag,
605
00:29:48,078 --> 00:29:49,639
a little purse type deal,
606
00:29:49,663 --> 00:29:51,933
and there was
a tape recorder running.
607
00:29:51,957 --> 00:29:53,685
I called my attorney and said,
608
00:29:53,709 --> 00:29:56,062
"I've got these people here from
the district attorney's office."
609
00:29:56,086 --> 00:29:58,356
And he said,
"Shut up," and I did.
610
00:29:58,380 --> 00:30:00,566
-Ginger had a right to be
scared.
611
00:30:00,590 --> 00:30:04,612
She had engaged in sex with
legally underage Traci Lords
612
00:30:04,636 --> 00:30:08,157
during the filming of the aptly
titled "Those Young Girls".
613
00:30:08,181 --> 00:30:09,867
{\an8}-I remember the guy
I was dating.
614
00:30:09,891 --> 00:30:13,705
{\an8}He had produced or he
distributed "Those Young Girls"
615
00:30:13,729 --> 00:30:17,291
{\an8}that had Ginger Lynn,
Traci Lords, Harry Reems,
616
00:30:17,315 --> 00:30:20,086
John Holmes.
They went after that.
617
00:30:20,110 --> 00:30:22,130
-"They" were
the Attorney General's
618
00:30:22,154 --> 00:30:23,715
Commission on Pornography,
619
00:30:23,739 --> 00:30:28,136
headed up in 1986 by
Ronald Reagan's AG, Edwin Meese.
620
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,303
-And as you can imagine,
of course,
621
00:30:29,327 --> 00:30:30,888
their conclusions
in the end were,
622
00:30:30,912 --> 00:30:33,975
{\an8}"Yes, porn is harmful to
society.
623
00:30:33,999 --> 00:30:35,393
{\an8}Yes, porn degrades women,
624
00:30:35,417 --> 00:30:37,103
{\an8}promotes violence"
and stuff like that.
625
00:30:37,127 --> 00:30:38,646
{\an8}Overall, it was, you know,
626
00:30:38,670 --> 00:30:40,857
{\an8}designed to try to take down
the porn industry.
627
00:30:40,881 --> 00:30:42,859
{\an8}-The Traci Lord stuff that was
happening around
628
00:30:42,883 --> 00:30:44,819
{\an8}the same time
really contributed to that
629
00:30:44,843 --> 00:30:48,531
{\an8}because now the industry is seen
as dangerous and out of control
630
00:30:48,555 --> 00:30:50,908
and not even knowing
who's working in it.
631
00:30:50,932 --> 00:30:53,911
-People were really worried
that the government
632
00:30:53,935 --> 00:30:56,998
was going to come in
and shut down the golden goose.
633
00:30:57,022 --> 00:30:59,959
No one wanted to go to jail
for pornography,
634
00:30:59,983 --> 00:31:04,881
let alone underage pornography.
So people were really worried.
635
00:31:04,905 --> 00:31:07,341
-The Meese Commission's inquiry
into pornography
636
00:31:07,365 --> 00:31:09,218
dragged on for years.
637
00:31:09,242 --> 00:31:12,597
{\an8}-They wanted me to testify
on Traci Lord's behalf
638
00:31:12,621 --> 00:31:15,349
{\an8}against 64 adult film producers.
639
00:31:15,373 --> 00:31:18,186
They said to me
very specifically,
640
00:31:18,210 --> 00:31:19,729
"If you don't help us with this,
641
00:31:19,753 --> 00:31:22,273
we are going to make
your life very difficult."
642
00:31:22,297 --> 00:31:23,941
So I go before the grand jury
643
00:31:23,965 --> 00:31:26,527
and they showed me photographs
from "Kinky Business",
644
00:31:26,551 --> 00:31:28,196
and they're asking me
who the different people
645
00:31:28,220 --> 00:31:30,615
in the photographs are,
and I'm like, "I don't know.
646
00:31:30,639 --> 00:31:32,825
That's Bob."
Everybody was Bob on the set.
647
00:31:32,849 --> 00:31:36,245
You know, a lot of people
weren't as open and honest
648
00:31:36,269 --> 00:31:37,538
about what they were doing
in there,
649
00:31:37,562 --> 00:31:38,790
and in their film careers
at the time,
650
00:31:38,814 --> 00:31:40,583
a lot of the crew
kind of people.
651
00:31:40,607 --> 00:31:43,836
-The surveillance-type photos
authorities show Ginger made her
652
00:31:43,860 --> 00:31:47,340
even more wary of the
investigation's true intentions.
653
00:31:47,364 --> 00:31:50,384
-They had photographs of
Traci...
654
00:31:50,408 --> 00:31:53,554
Why did anyone allow her
to continue if,
655
00:31:53,578 --> 00:31:55,973
in fact, she really
was underage at the time?
656
00:31:55,997 --> 00:31:58,726
It made absolutely
no sense to me whatsoever.
657
00:31:58,750 --> 00:32:02,397
When I refused to testify,
that was it.
658
00:32:02,421 --> 00:32:04,107
-Well, not quite.
659
00:32:04,131 --> 00:32:07,401
Ginger was not charged
in connection with Traci Lords,
660
00:32:07,425 --> 00:32:09,570
but she believes
she was still punished.
661
00:32:09,594 --> 00:32:12,532
-It kind of ended,
until five years later,
662
00:32:12,556 --> 00:32:14,575
to the day.
I was in Malibu.
663
00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:16,244
I was dating Charlie Sheen
at the time,
664
00:32:16,268 --> 00:32:19,580
and my attorney called and said,
"You've been indicted
665
00:32:19,604 --> 00:32:22,792
for willfully subscribing to
a false tax return."
666
00:32:22,816 --> 00:32:25,670
I was facing six years
in federal prison.
667
00:32:25,694 --> 00:32:29,715
I spent close to half a million
dollars defending myself
668
00:32:29,739 --> 00:32:31,467
for a crime I didn't commit.
669
00:32:31,491 --> 00:32:35,179
And it turned out I got
750 hours of community service,
670
00:32:35,203 --> 00:32:40,935
mandatory drug testing,
and... and fines and fees.
671
00:32:40,959 --> 00:32:44,105
I completely felt
that this was retribution for me
672
00:32:44,129 --> 00:32:48,025
refusing to testify against
all of these porn producers.
673
00:32:48,049 --> 00:32:51,112
-Two producers from "Those
Young Girls" were indicted.
674
00:32:51,136 --> 00:32:53,531
-These two schmucks that had
nothing to do
675
00:32:53,555 --> 00:32:54,824
with the porn business.
676
00:32:54,848 --> 00:32:56,450
They were like
comedian directors.
677
00:32:56,474 --> 00:32:58,202
They directed comedies,
and... but they were like,
678
00:32:58,226 --> 00:33:00,913
"Okay, let's try porn."
The one porn that gets busted
679
00:33:00,937 --> 00:33:03,166
called "Those Young Girls"
is what they did.
680
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:06,460
-One distributor, who sold
Traci's underage tapes
681
00:33:06,484 --> 00:33:08,963
after her true age
was revealed, was charged
682
00:33:08,987 --> 00:33:12,049
with three counts of
trafficking child pornography.
683
00:33:12,073 --> 00:33:14,468
The distributor appealed
the case all the way
684
00:33:14,492 --> 00:33:16,345
to the Supreme Court
on the grounds
685
00:33:16,369 --> 00:33:19,390
that certain federal statutes
about child pornography
686
00:33:19,414 --> 00:33:23,644
were unconstitutionally vague.
But his conviction was upheld.
687
00:33:23,668 --> 00:33:27,857
He served one year
and was fined $100,000.
688
00:33:27,881 --> 00:33:31,402
Since Traci's mom and mom's
boyfriend weren't involved
689
00:33:31,426 --> 00:33:32,820
in Traci's films,
690
00:33:32,844 --> 00:33:35,615
neither were charged
in the underage scandal,
691
00:33:35,639 --> 00:33:37,783
and Traci never reported
the boyfriend
692
00:33:37,807 --> 00:33:39,660
for allegedly abusing her.
693
00:33:39,684 --> 00:33:42,288
But ironically,
it was her mom's boyfriend
694
00:33:42,312 --> 00:33:43,915
who ended up being responsible
695
00:33:43,939 --> 00:33:46,834
for protecting a lot of people
in the porn industry
696
00:33:46,858 --> 00:33:49,003
when he helped 15-year-old Traci
697
00:33:49,027 --> 00:33:51,756
acquire her government
issued fraudulent ID.
698
00:33:51,780 --> 00:33:55,676
{\an8}-She had fake IDs that were
apparently professionally done.
699
00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:57,970
{\an8}So no one knew
and no one questioned it.
700
00:33:57,994 --> 00:34:00,848
{\an8}-This was also how she allegedly
got a passport
701
00:34:00,872 --> 00:34:03,100
{\an8}when she traveled to London
with Suze Randall.
702
00:34:03,124 --> 00:34:07,146
{\an8}-Traci got her passport
like everybody else does,
703
00:34:07,170 --> 00:34:11,817
{\an8}by going with your IDs,
but her IDs were fake.
704
00:34:11,841 --> 00:34:14,654
{\an8}-What saved a lot
of these people...
705
00:34:14,678 --> 00:34:20,159
{\an8}She had a government ID.
So do you sue the DMV?
706
00:34:20,183 --> 00:34:22,787
It's not their fault that
it slipped through the cracks
707
00:34:22,811 --> 00:34:26,791
at the DMV and the United States
passport office.
708
00:34:26,815 --> 00:34:29,168
Like, if you could fool
the government,
709
00:34:29,192 --> 00:34:31,671
why can't you fool
some pornographers?
710
00:34:31,695 --> 00:34:34,799
-Because of this, charges
were dropped against Jim South.
711
00:34:34,823 --> 00:34:36,342
{\an8}- We're modeling.
- Years later,
712
00:34:36,366 --> 00:34:37,843
{\an8}on "Larry King Live",
713
00:34:37,867 --> 00:34:40,638
{\an8}Traci Lords admitted
to lying about her age.
714
00:34:40,662 --> 00:34:42,890
{\an8}-Yes, I lied about my age,
but honestly,
715
00:34:42,914 --> 00:34:44,600
{\an8}nobody really seemed
to care that much.
716
00:34:44,624 --> 00:34:46,394
{\an8}They wanted to make money.
717
00:34:46,418 --> 00:34:48,980
{\an8}-People were angry because
they felt like she had put them
718
00:34:49,004 --> 00:34:53,693
in this dangerous situation
and it wasn't their fault.
719
00:34:53,717 --> 00:34:56,195
It's hard to hold
her accountable for her actions
720
00:34:56,219 --> 00:34:58,656
because she was a minor,
but also, the people
721
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,993
who filmed her
did not know she was a minor.
722
00:35:02,017 --> 00:35:04,662
So how could they be held
accountable for their actions?
723
00:35:04,686 --> 00:35:07,248
So it was a very muddy case.
724
00:35:07,272 --> 00:35:10,418
-But Traci's own actions helped
make the situation
725
00:35:10,442 --> 00:35:11,836
even cloudier.
726
00:35:11,860 --> 00:35:14,005
After she legally came of age,
727
00:35:14,029 --> 00:35:16,382
but right before
the scandal broke,
728
00:35:16,406 --> 00:35:19,427
Traci Lords created
her own production company.
729
00:35:19,451 --> 00:35:22,596
{\an8}One of the movies she made as
part of the Traci Lords company
730
00:35:22,620 --> 00:35:25,057
was called "Traci, I Love You".
731
00:35:25,081 --> 00:35:27,810
-I want you to press your
hot body up against me.
732
00:35:27,834 --> 00:35:30,604
-[ Speaking French ]
733
00:35:30,628 --> 00:35:32,940
{\an8}-The important thing about
"Traci, I Love You"
734
00:35:32,964 --> 00:35:34,817
{\an8}is that it was shot two days
735
00:35:34,841 --> 00:35:37,653
{\an8}after
Traci Lords' 18th birthday,
736
00:35:37,677 --> 00:35:39,447
making it the only film
737
00:35:39,471 --> 00:35:43,200
that is legally allowed to be
owned in the United States.
738
00:35:43,224 --> 00:35:46,370
-The film telegraphs themes
which would later become part
739
00:35:46,394 --> 00:35:48,497
of Traci's story about herself.
740
00:35:48,521 --> 00:35:50,374
She plays a sex worker
741
00:35:50,398 --> 00:35:53,044
who tries to make it
as a mainstream actress,
742
00:35:53,068 --> 00:35:55,129
but ends up being used
by her agent
743
00:35:55,153 --> 00:35:57,340
and can only book roles
in erotic films.
744
00:35:57,364 --> 00:36:01,427
-I don't understand.
Pleasure is love.
745
00:36:01,451 --> 00:36:04,597
-That's right.
The only Traci Lords film
746
00:36:04,621 --> 00:36:07,975
we can show
you is owned by Traci Lords.
747
00:36:07,999 --> 00:36:10,644
-Traci owned the rights
to the royalties on
748
00:36:10,668 --> 00:36:12,980
"Traci, I Love You",
the only legal film,
749
00:36:13,004 --> 00:36:15,149
and all the other films
had to be destroyed.
750
00:36:15,173 --> 00:36:21,280
-To my knowledge,
nobody knew how deep her lies
751
00:36:21,304 --> 00:36:26,243
and her web that she had
spun ran so deep.
752
00:36:26,267 --> 00:36:31,332
But if she didn't pull off
the ultimate... scam.
753
00:36:31,356 --> 00:36:34,210
-"Traci, I Love You"
became one of the best-selling
754
00:36:34,234 --> 00:36:37,171
porn tapes ever,
and it fueled speculation
755
00:36:37,195 --> 00:36:41,241
about who tipped off the FBI
in the first place.
756
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:48,724
-I know who did it.
Some smart person.
757
00:36:48,748 --> 00:36:53,586
And I'm not going to say,
but you can guess, can't you?
758
00:36:59,884 --> 00:37:02,863
-After Traci Lords left
the adult film industry,
759
00:37:02,887 --> 00:37:06,117
{\an8}she kept the name Traci Lords,
which is a way for her
760
00:37:06,141 --> 00:37:09,036
{\an8}to capitalize
on the fame she had achieved.
761
00:37:09,060 --> 00:37:12,790
She tried to cross over into
the mainstream film industry.
762
00:37:12,814 --> 00:37:14,375
She actually had some success.
763
00:37:14,399 --> 00:37:16,335
She was in John Waters'
"Cry Baby"...
764
00:37:16,359 --> 00:37:18,129
-Dad, would you just
just leave me alone?
765
00:37:18,153 --> 00:37:22,049
- she appeared
in a "MacGyver" episode...
766
00:37:22,073 --> 00:37:24,051
-Don't you forget me now,
you hear?
767
00:37:24,075 --> 00:37:26,137
{\an8}-...she had a small part
in the movie "Blade".
768
00:37:26,161 --> 00:37:27,888
{\an8}-[ Laughs ]
769
00:37:27,912 --> 00:37:30,933
{\an8}- So, where are we going?
- It's a surprise, baby.
770
00:37:30,957 --> 00:37:34,103
-She even had a hit
music single.
771
00:37:34,127 --> 00:37:37,565
-And in place of the loud
vocalizations from her videos,
772
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:40,651
most of Traci's songs
featured her using her voice
773
00:37:40,675 --> 00:37:43,028
in a sultry whisper instead.
774
00:37:43,052 --> 00:37:44,989
- ♪ Let me kiss it ♪
- ♪ Let me kiss it ♪
775
00:37:45,013 --> 00:37:46,073
- ♪ And make it better ♪
- ♪ And make it better ♪
776
00:37:46,097 --> 00:37:47,950
-But she did not really achieve
777
00:37:47,974 --> 00:37:51,745
that kind of crossover success
that she had hoped.
778
00:37:51,769 --> 00:37:54,373
-Nearly 20 years
after the scandal broke,
779
00:37:54,397 --> 00:37:57,585
Traci Lords' tell-all book,
"Underneath It All",
780
00:37:57,609 --> 00:38:01,172
came out in 2003,
but not everyone agrees
781
00:38:01,196 --> 00:38:04,425
with how she characterized
her time in the adult industry.
782
00:38:04,449 --> 00:38:06,010
-Shame on you, Traci.
783
00:38:06,034 --> 00:38:09,430
In your book, you called
our agent, like, Tim North.
784
00:38:09,454 --> 00:38:13,934
{\an8}Oh, you're so uncreative.
And in the book, she lied.
785
00:38:13,958 --> 00:38:16,604
{\an8}He fed her champagne.
He fed her cocaine.
786
00:38:16,628 --> 00:38:19,064
Right then, I'm like,
"Okay, it's a lie.
787
00:38:19,088 --> 00:38:21,859
Why did he not feed anyone else
champagne and coke?
788
00:38:21,883 --> 00:38:24,361
Why are you
the magical, mythical creature
789
00:38:24,385 --> 00:38:26,197
that he decided to trap?"
790
00:38:26,221 --> 00:38:27,781
But I think in her own mind,
791
00:38:27,805 --> 00:38:29,783
I think she believes this.
That's the scary part.
792
00:38:29,807 --> 00:38:32,828
I think she really believes
that she was forced to do it.
793
00:38:32,852 --> 00:38:35,122
But then I go,
"If it was that bad,
794
00:38:35,146 --> 00:38:37,416
why are you using
your fake name?
795
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,169
Go back to Nora Kuzma
from Steubenville, Ohio,
796
00:38:40,193 --> 00:38:41,962
where no one gives a shit
about you."
797
00:38:41,986 --> 00:38:44,715
{\an8}-The book continued to fuel
the mystery at the center
798
00:38:44,739 --> 00:38:46,217
{\an8}of the Traci Lord story
799
00:38:46,241 --> 00:38:48,969
{\an8}and prompted Larry King
to ask the key question.
800
00:38:48,993 --> 00:38:50,554
{\an8}-Why the FBI raid?
801
00:38:50,578 --> 00:38:54,141
{\an8}-I don't know if it started
from the initial reports
802
00:38:54,165 --> 00:38:57,144
{\an8}that my mother made of me
as a runaway or if they...
803
00:38:57,168 --> 00:39:00,648
{\an8}how exactly they received
the information that they did.
804
00:39:00,672 --> 00:39:03,150
{\an8}I don't know that I'll ever know
the answer to that.
805
00:39:03,174 --> 00:39:05,402
-The book presents
a few theories.
806
00:39:05,426 --> 00:39:07,029
A jilted ex-boyfriend
807
00:39:07,053 --> 00:39:09,490
or a politically
motivated investigation.
808
00:39:09,514 --> 00:39:11,825
{\an8}-There's a lot of people
who believe that she was
809
00:39:11,849 --> 00:39:13,327
{\an8}the one that tipped off the feds
810
00:39:13,351 --> 00:39:14,995
{\an8}to the fact
that she was underage.
811
00:39:15,019 --> 00:39:17,998
-One piece of speculation
was that Traci herself
812
00:39:18,022 --> 00:39:19,583
had tipped off the authorities
813
00:39:19,607 --> 00:39:22,670
to increase the royalties
on that one legal tape.
814
00:39:22,694 --> 00:39:26,489
-In her book, Traci seems
to roll her eyes at this notion.
815
00:39:34,247 --> 00:39:37,476
-She's obviously never admitted
to that.
816
00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:41,105
That would be an incredibly...
817
00:39:41,129 --> 00:39:44,316
I mean, for someone that young,
818
00:39:44,340 --> 00:39:47,736
that would be a pretty...
That's a long game.
819
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,488
So who knows?
820
00:39:49,512 --> 00:39:53,284
Ultimately, this is kind of like
one of those great mysteries
821
00:39:53,308 --> 00:39:55,494
that I feel like
we'll never fully know.
822
00:39:55,518 --> 00:39:58,872
Only Traci is going to ever
really know that answer.
823
00:39:58,896 --> 00:40:00,416
-She got away with...
824
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,210
She... She had
the perfect pornography career.
825
00:40:03,234 --> 00:40:06,630
{\an8}She did a thousand films
and none of them were released.
826
00:40:06,654 --> 00:40:09,216
{\an8}[ Chuckles ]
I wish that was my fate.
827
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:12,595
Everything I've ever done,
every ugly moment in my life,
828
00:40:12,619 --> 00:40:16,223
is there for all to see.
Please enjoy yourself.
829
00:40:16,247 --> 00:40:21,228
{\an8}-In the long run, it was good.
It made everybody conscious
830
00:40:21,252 --> 00:40:23,814
{\an8}of getting the IDs,
which nobody did,
831
00:40:23,838 --> 00:40:26,150
everybody was really
sloppy about.
832
00:40:26,174 --> 00:40:29,903
So it changed the industry
for the better.
833
00:40:29,927 --> 00:40:31,488
-Since the Traci Lords scandal,
834
00:40:31,512 --> 00:40:33,616
there was one other significant
instance
835
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,035
of a performer discovered
to be underage
836
00:40:36,059 --> 00:40:38,412
in the mainstream
adult film industry.
837
00:40:38,436 --> 00:40:41,332
Alexandra Quinn,
a Canadian performer
838
00:40:41,356 --> 00:40:44,418
who came to the US
with a falsified passport.
839
00:40:44,442 --> 00:40:47,588
When her true age
was discovered in 1991,
840
00:40:47,612 --> 00:40:49,965
her previous movies
were all destroyed.
841
00:40:49,989 --> 00:40:52,176
-Take two.
842
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:53,677
-I can tell you now,
843
00:40:53,701 --> 00:40:56,889
we need two forms
of government issued ID.
844
00:40:56,913 --> 00:40:58,599
One of them has to be
a photo ID.
845
00:40:58,623 --> 00:40:59,933
None of them can be expired.
846
00:40:59,957 --> 00:41:02,519
You also have to fill out
a 2257 form,
847
00:41:02,543 --> 00:41:04,355
where you sign that you
are of age,
848
00:41:04,379 --> 00:41:06,440
put in all your details,
your Social Security number,
849
00:41:06,464 --> 00:41:09,276
all that kind of stuff,
as well as the model release.
850
00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:10,944
We take photos of your IDs.
851
00:41:10,968 --> 00:41:14,239
We take photos of you holding
the IDs up to your face.
852
00:41:14,263 --> 00:41:16,700
We take a video of you
holding these IDs
853
00:41:16,724 --> 00:41:18,535
up to your face saying,
"This is who I am.
854
00:41:18,559 --> 00:41:21,622
This is how old I am.
I want to be here today.
855
00:41:21,646 --> 00:41:24,333
I am not under the influence
of drugs or alcohol.
856
00:41:24,357 --> 00:41:26,877
I know what I'm doing.
I'm of sound mind."
857
00:41:26,901 --> 00:41:29,213
We take a video after the scene
858
00:41:29,237 --> 00:41:32,257
where you say,
"Everything went fine today."
859
00:41:32,281 --> 00:41:34,009
Assuming, of course,
that it did.
860
00:41:34,033 --> 00:41:38,305
"I still am not on drugs,
and here is my check.
861
00:41:38,329 --> 00:41:41,725
I was paid and I'm happy
and I'm going home."
862
00:41:41,749 --> 00:41:45,479
-Recently, Traci began appearing
in the web series "EastSiders",
863
00:41:45,503 --> 00:41:49,358
playing against type
in the role of a prudish mother.
864
00:41:49,382 --> 00:41:53,529
- I love you, honey.
- Love you too.
865
00:41:53,553 --> 00:41:56,156
-Keep your pants on and your
wits about you. Goodbye.
866
00:41:56,180 --> 00:41:58,492
-I still love Traci.
867
00:41:58,516 --> 00:42:02,287
I mean, I forgive her for all
the troubles she's caused,
868
00:42:02,311 --> 00:42:04,373
but trouble's her middle name.
869
00:42:04,397 --> 00:42:07,876
-So far, Ginger and Christy
haven't forgiven Traci,
870
00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:11,213
but they have maintained a close
friendship throughout the years.
871
00:42:11,237 --> 00:42:14,091
{\an8}-We've been friends now
for nearly 40 years.
872
00:42:14,115 --> 00:42:16,260
{\an8}I talked to Christy two
or three times a day.
873
00:42:16,284 --> 00:42:18,679
We never run out
of things to say.
874
00:42:18,703 --> 00:42:22,850
We set up last night and talked
for like 4 hours straight.
875
00:42:22,874 --> 00:42:24,518
You'd think that we would
run out of stuff,
876
00:42:24,542 --> 00:42:27,688
but we still don't.
There's just a bond
877
00:42:27,712 --> 00:42:30,107
and something special
about our friendship
878
00:42:30,131 --> 00:42:31,900
that I've never had
with anyone before.
879
00:42:31,924 --> 00:42:36,071
{\an8}-I haven't seen this movie
since we filmed it.
880
00:42:36,095 --> 00:42:38,240
-Did you miss me? I missed you.
881
00:42:38,264 --> 00:42:40,367
- Is that you? Oh, my God.
- [ Laughs ]
882
00:42:40,391 --> 00:42:42,327
-That's me. Look at my hair.
883
00:42:42,351 --> 00:42:43,662
- That was the style.
- Oh, my God.
884
00:42:43,686 --> 00:42:45,372
You just popped in.
885
00:42:45,396 --> 00:42:48,208
-See, I thought... in my memory,
I did the Jeannie move.
886
00:42:48,232 --> 00:42:50,878
-I was such a co-star.
We had the best of everything.
887
00:42:50,902 --> 00:42:54,214
Made the best dancing days.
We had the best video days.
888
00:42:54,238 --> 00:42:58,135
What an amazing journey
we've had together.
889
00:42:58,159 --> 00:42:59,762
-I love how everybody just
coupled up.
890
00:42:59,786 --> 00:43:01,722
Boom, boom.
- Me, too. And you got me.
891
00:43:01,746 --> 00:43:03,348
-And I got you.
892
00:43:03,372 --> 00:43:05,601
-What would I say to Traci?
893
00:43:05,625 --> 00:43:10,189
{\an8}I would say, "You probably had
a pretty hard life,
894
00:43:10,213 --> 00:43:11,565
{\an8}and I'm sure that you had
reasons
895
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:13,025
{\an8}for doing what you did,
896
00:43:13,049 --> 00:43:15,778
and you were underage,
897
00:43:15,802 --> 00:43:19,114
and I'm sure
that you didn't go into it
898
00:43:19,138 --> 00:43:21,366
with the intention
of hurting people
899
00:43:21,390 --> 00:43:23,285
in the way that you could have.
900
00:43:23,309 --> 00:43:26,580
So I forgive you."
901
00:43:26,604 --> 00:43:29,416
-Years after the scandal,
Traci told Larry King
902
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,794
how she turned the pain
from her traumatic journey
903
00:43:31,818 --> 00:43:34,463
through the porn business
into something good,
904
00:43:34,487 --> 00:43:36,256
by working with an organization
905
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,926
to get child prostitutes
off the streets
906
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:40,469
and into a stable environment.
907
00:43:40,493 --> 00:43:42,721
{\an8}-But these girls,
they're all Traci Lords.
908
00:43:42,745 --> 00:43:45,641
{\an8}You know, they all have been
molested in some way or another.
909
00:43:45,665 --> 00:43:48,602
{\an8}But the one thing that
they have all said to me is,
910
00:43:48,626 --> 00:43:51,605
{\an8}"Wow, you're okay now."
That's their dream.
911
00:43:51,629 --> 00:43:53,732
{\an8}You know how some people aspire
to go to Harvard
912
00:43:53,756 --> 00:43:55,567
{\an8}or "When I... When I grow up,
I'm going to be a doctor.
913
00:43:55,591 --> 00:43:56,819
{\an8}I'm going to be this.
When I grow up,
914
00:43:56,843 --> 00:43:58,028
{\an8}I'm going to be okay.
915
00:43:58,052 --> 00:44:06,052
{\an8}♪♪
75738
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