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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:13,347 --> 00:00:16,159 -Southern California in the 1980s. 2 00:00:16,183 --> 00:00:18,495 The epicenter of porn's golden age. 3 00:00:18,519 --> 00:00:21,789 The sun, beach, palms, and money 4 00:00:21,813 --> 00:00:23,917 lured women from across the country, 5 00:00:23,941 --> 00:00:26,586 all of them looking to make a name for themselves. 6 00:00:26,610 --> 00:00:28,838 But there was one name bigger than them all. 7 00:00:28,862 --> 00:00:33,510 - Traci Lords. - Traci Lords. 8 00:00:33,534 --> 00:00:36,471 -Traci Lords was one of the biggest stars 9 00:00:36,495 --> 00:00:38,681 of all time in the adult film industry. 10 00:00:38,705 --> 00:00:41,726 -Every movie that came out with her on the cover 11 00:00:41,750 --> 00:00:45,522 was a major bestseller. - She was as big as big gets. 12 00:00:45,546 --> 00:00:47,815 -Until one day, a secret is revealed 13 00:00:47,839 --> 00:00:50,818 that would upend the entire adult film industry. 14 00:00:50,842 --> 00:00:53,863 -We realized the danger that we were in. 15 00:00:53,887 --> 00:00:57,075 -A secret that would lead to arrests and indictments. 16 00:00:57,099 --> 00:00:58,910 -I get a knock on the door. 17 00:00:58,934 --> 00:01:00,995 It's a woman and a man from the district attorney's office. 18 00:01:01,019 --> 00:01:04,123 -I didn't feel culpable. I mean, I had no idea. 19 00:01:04,147 --> 00:01:07,585 -Traci's secret would cause some people in the industry millions. 20 00:01:07,609 --> 00:01:09,003 -If you had movies with her, 21 00:01:09,027 --> 00:01:11,172 you had to destroy them or cut her out. 22 00:01:11,196 --> 00:01:14,175 -So we shredded all the material, 23 00:01:14,199 --> 00:01:15,969 and we ran around town, 24 00:01:15,993 --> 00:01:18,388 dumping it in different trash cans. 25 00:01:18,412 --> 00:01:20,890 -It left many questioning what was true... 26 00:01:20,914 --> 00:01:25,979 -Nobody knew her lies and her web 27 00:01:26,003 --> 00:01:29,274 that she had spun ran so deep. 28 00:01:29,298 --> 00:01:30,900 - ad who stood to gain. 29 00:01:30,924 --> 00:01:35,905 -But she then pulled off the ultimate... scam. 30 00:01:35,929 --> 00:01:43,929 {\an8}♪♪ 31 00:01:50,485 --> 00:01:55,008 -Well, let's take them on a little stroll down memory lane. 32 00:01:55,032 --> 00:01:58,886 -1984. It was morning in Reagan's America. 33 00:01:58,910 --> 00:02:01,306 "The Terminator" dominated the box office. 34 00:02:01,330 --> 00:02:04,434 Madonna's "Like a Virgin" was in heavy rotation 35 00:02:04,458 --> 00:02:06,144 on recently-launched MTV. 36 00:02:06,168 --> 00:02:09,772 1984 also marked a new day in the porn industry, 37 00:02:09,796 --> 00:02:11,607 as film production moved west, 38 00:02:11,631 --> 00:02:15,737 stepping out of the dark, grimy, mobbed-up sets of New York City 39 00:02:15,761 --> 00:02:18,448 and into the light of a bright California sun. 40 00:02:18,472 --> 00:02:21,618 -If you've seen the porn from the '70s, like in New York, 41 00:02:21,642 --> 00:02:24,120 they're miserable. Those movies, they're unhappy. 42 00:02:24,144 --> 00:02:27,665 -I found the whole New York porn scene dark, 43 00:02:27,689 --> 00:02:30,001 sleazy, with a lot of people 44 00:02:30,025 --> 00:02:32,170 that you would never want to associate with. 45 00:02:32,194 --> 00:02:35,673 The women I worked with were generally theatrically based, 46 00:02:35,697 --> 00:02:37,634 wearing wigs, trying to hide the fact 47 00:02:37,658 --> 00:02:39,260 that they were in the industry. 48 00:02:39,284 --> 00:02:40,803 -But by the 1980s, 49 00:02:40,827 --> 00:02:43,723 that shifted to Southern California in Los Angeles. 50 00:02:43,747 --> 00:02:45,308 There's all kinds of reasons for that, 51 00:02:45,332 --> 00:02:47,477 one of which really simply is just the weather. 52 00:02:47,501 --> 00:02:50,146 It's a little nicer to live in Southern California 53 00:02:50,170 --> 00:02:53,149 and make movies there. Outdoor locations are easier. 54 00:02:53,173 --> 00:02:55,610 -Los Angeles was also filled with actresses 55 00:02:55,634 --> 00:02:57,695 seeking fame and fortune. 56 00:02:57,719 --> 00:02:59,322 Some found their way into porn 57 00:02:59,346 --> 00:03:02,158 after failing to find success in mainstream Hollywood. 58 00:03:02,182 --> 00:03:05,453 -I never thought that porn was how I was going to be famous. 59 00:03:05,477 --> 00:03:08,539 -And as adult movies began being shot with the much cheaper, 60 00:03:08,563 --> 00:03:12,460 newly-invented video cameras, those opportunities multiplied. 61 00:03:12,484 --> 00:03:15,171 -One of the things "Boogie Nights" really gets right 62 00:03:15,195 --> 00:03:17,382 is the notion of speed of production. 63 00:03:17,406 --> 00:03:19,467 -Just keep shooting. This is video, where we shoot 64 00:03:19,491 --> 00:03:21,302 and then we deal with it later. 65 00:03:21,326 --> 00:03:23,596 -"Boogie Nights", the 1997 film 66 00:03:23,620 --> 00:03:26,432 starring Mark Wahlberg, Burt Reynolds, and Julianne Moore 67 00:03:26,456 --> 00:03:28,768 encapsulated the story of the porn industry 68 00:03:28,792 --> 00:03:31,020 grappling with this rapidly changing world. 69 00:03:31,044 --> 00:03:32,855 -Alright, everybody. Here we go. 70 00:03:32,879 --> 00:03:34,941 {\an8}-You have more and more people coming into the adult industry 71 00:03:34,965 --> 00:03:36,442 {\an8}because there's a higher demand 72 00:03:36,466 --> 00:03:39,070 {\an8}and it's also easier to produce the content. 73 00:03:39,094 --> 00:03:41,864 And so, we start to see the adult industry 74 00:03:41,888 --> 00:03:45,034 expanding pretty rapidly. 75 00:03:45,058 --> 00:03:50,039 -1984 was also the year a mysterious and beautiful wannabe 76 00:03:50,063 --> 00:03:52,834 actress would arrive in California... 77 00:03:52,858 --> 00:03:54,043 Traci Lords. 78 00:03:54,067 --> 00:03:56,379 -The first thing that comes to mind 79 00:03:56,403 --> 00:03:59,841 was how charismatic she was. 80 00:03:59,865 --> 00:04:03,386 {\an8}You'd walk into a restaurant with her in Mexico 81 00:04:03,410 --> 00:04:05,221 {\an8}and everybody'd stand up and clap. 82 00:04:05,245 --> 00:04:07,390 {\an8}They didn't know who she was. They didn't know what she did, 83 00:04:07,414 --> 00:04:12,228 {\an8}but they could just feel that sexual charisma. 84 00:04:12,252 --> 00:04:13,771 She was amazing. 85 00:04:13,795 --> 00:04:17,066 I did photograph Traci Lords more than anybody. 86 00:04:17,090 --> 00:04:18,609 She was my favorite. 87 00:04:18,633 --> 00:04:21,070 -What really caught my eye here was the title. 88 00:04:21,094 --> 00:04:24,198 "Meet the Ladies behind those nasty skin mags." 89 00:04:24,222 --> 00:04:27,368 And of course, it features you. 90 00:04:27,392 --> 00:04:29,954 - [ Chuckles ] - "Nasty skin mags." 91 00:04:29,978 --> 00:04:31,914 Like, there's so much stigma attached to that. 92 00:04:31,938 --> 00:04:34,834 -Nasty's good. We got lots of press. 93 00:04:34,858 --> 00:04:37,211 -I'm Holly Randall. My mother is Suze Randall, 94 00:04:37,235 --> 00:04:40,339 who's one of the pioneers, I think, for women 95 00:04:40,363 --> 00:04:42,925 working behind the camera in the adult industry. 96 00:04:42,949 --> 00:04:45,470 -I worked for "Playboy", "Penthouse" 97 00:04:45,494 --> 00:04:47,805 "Hustler", fought with all of them, 98 00:04:47,829 --> 00:04:49,140 and worked for myself. 99 00:04:49,164 --> 00:04:51,559 -Suze Randall originally shot Traci 100 00:04:51,583 --> 00:04:53,144 for a "Penthouse" centerfold. 101 00:04:53,168 --> 00:04:56,272 I do remember the first time I met Traci Lords., 102 00:04:56,296 --> 00:04:59,442 because she came to our house with 103 00:04:59,466 --> 00:05:02,820 her mother's boyfriend, 104 00:05:02,844 --> 00:05:08,785 which now, thinking back, was kind of weird. 105 00:05:08,809 --> 00:05:11,204 -Because what no one knew at this point 106 00:05:11,228 --> 00:05:15,041 was that Traci was harboring a dark secret. 107 00:05:15,065 --> 00:05:18,961 {\an8}-Traci was born Nora Kuzma in 1968 in Ohio. 108 00:05:18,985 --> 00:05:20,338 {\an8}When she was 12 years old, 109 00:05:20,362 --> 00:05:22,006 {\an8}she moved with her mother and her sisters 110 00:05:22,030 --> 00:05:25,134 and her mother's boyfriend to Southern California. 111 00:05:25,158 --> 00:05:29,013 -Foreshadowing accusations about her possible ulterior motives 112 00:05:29,037 --> 00:05:32,225 years later, Traci wrote about seeing California 113 00:05:32,249 --> 00:05:35,144 for the first time in her book, "Underneath It All", 114 00:05:35,168 --> 00:05:38,380 believing that Hollywood would become her ultimate destiny. 115 00:05:56,773 --> 00:05:59,460 Traci claimed in her book that her mother's boyfriend, 116 00:05:59,484 --> 00:06:01,337 who she calls Roger, 117 00:06:01,361 --> 00:06:04,549 began sexually assaulting her when she was just 12 years old, 118 00:06:04,573 --> 00:06:07,593 and that it started almost immediately after the family 119 00:06:07,617 --> 00:06:09,345 moved in with him. 120 00:06:09,369 --> 00:06:12,098 As is common with many victims, Traci said 121 00:06:12,122 --> 00:06:15,309 she kept the traumatizing sexual abuse a secret, 122 00:06:15,333 --> 00:06:16,894 hiding it from her mother, 123 00:06:16,918 --> 00:06:18,795 writing in her memoir... 124 00:06:30,140 --> 00:06:32,660 Nora claimed that sex with a high school boyfriend 125 00:06:32,684 --> 00:06:34,453 led to pregnancy. 126 00:06:34,477 --> 00:06:37,874 She needed money to pay for an abortion, but only 15 years old, 127 00:06:37,898 --> 00:06:40,126 she was too young to get a job. 128 00:06:40,150 --> 00:06:43,212 She later wrote that Roger had a solution. 129 00:06:43,236 --> 00:06:45,131 He introduced her to a family friend 130 00:06:45,155 --> 00:06:47,717 who gave Nora her birth certificate. 131 00:06:47,741 --> 00:06:50,386 Nora explained that she took the birth certificate 132 00:06:50,410 --> 00:06:53,890 to the DMV, had her photos and prints taken, 133 00:06:53,914 --> 00:06:57,560 and walked out as 22-year-old Kristie Nussman, 134 00:06:57,584 --> 00:07:00,104 Nora Kuzma behind for good. 135 00:07:00,128 --> 00:07:01,731 She claimed it was Roger 136 00:07:01,755 --> 00:07:05,026 who then took her to Jim South's World Modeling Agency, 137 00:07:05,050 --> 00:07:07,320 one of only two adult agencies at the time. 138 00:07:07,344 --> 00:07:08,571 -We're modeling. 139 00:07:08,595 --> 00:07:10,197 -All the girls went to Jim South. 140 00:07:10,221 --> 00:07:12,533 -Jim South was very well regarded in the industry. 141 00:07:12,557 --> 00:07:14,702 -He discovered all of the big names. 142 00:07:14,726 --> 00:07:17,288 -Jim South was profiled in a documentary about 143 00:07:17,312 --> 00:07:20,082 the adult industry called "Fallen Angels", 144 00:07:20,106 --> 00:07:23,502 which gave a raw, candid, and sometimes depressing view 145 00:07:23,526 --> 00:07:26,422 of what the porn industry was like in the early '80s. 146 00:07:26,446 --> 00:07:30,343 Ginger Lynn and Christy Canyon were also signed to Jim South. 147 00:07:30,367 --> 00:07:32,428 {\an8}-Jim said to me, "We need to take some Polaroids." 148 00:07:32,452 --> 00:07:34,430 {\an8}And I remember he took me into the side room 149 00:07:34,454 --> 00:07:36,974 {\an8}and he asked me to get naked and I took my clothes off. 150 00:07:36,998 --> 00:07:39,143 I had no trouble doing that whatsoever. 151 00:07:39,167 --> 00:07:41,020 -We feel that it will get her a lot more work 152 00:07:41,044 --> 00:07:43,522 if I circulate some of these Polaroids. 153 00:07:43,546 --> 00:07:44,732 -He takes the Polaroid. 154 00:07:44,756 --> 00:07:47,109 -Give me a smile. Okay, one more. 155 00:07:47,133 --> 00:07:48,653 {\an8}-Click, click. [ Imitates printing ] 156 00:07:48,677 --> 00:07:50,655 {\an8}The Polaroid comes out. "Turn around. 157 00:07:50,679 --> 00:07:53,991 {\an8}Let's get a side view. Let me see your fanny." 158 00:07:54,015 --> 00:07:55,493 And that's when I was like. 159 00:07:55,517 --> 00:07:57,161 "Oh, God, is he gonna like, pull his dick out?" 160 00:07:57,185 --> 00:07:58,913 No. He was like... You know, I turn around, 161 00:07:58,937 --> 00:08:00,498 he's like fanning them out, 162 00:08:00,522 --> 00:08:01,874 waiting for that Polaroid to dry. 163 00:08:01,898 --> 00:08:03,376 There was nothing gross about it. 164 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,586 There was nothing, like, tawdry at all about it. 165 00:08:05,610 --> 00:08:08,964 -He was very professional. He was always there for them. 166 00:08:08,988 --> 00:08:11,175 He wanted the best for them. 167 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:13,469 -Okay, now, you guys, we're set. 168 00:08:13,493 --> 00:08:18,307 -He was not sleazy or cheesy. He was great. 169 00:08:18,331 --> 00:08:20,851 -Traci had a different impression of Jim South, 170 00:08:20,875 --> 00:08:23,437 who she calls Tim North in her book, 171 00:08:23,461 --> 00:08:27,316 alleging in vivid detail that he gave her cocaine and champagne 172 00:08:27,340 --> 00:08:29,402 during her first encounter with him. 173 00:08:29,426 --> 00:08:31,320 Those allegations would be argued over 174 00:08:31,344 --> 00:08:33,781 by other porn stars signed to Jim South 175 00:08:33,805 --> 00:08:35,282 in the years to follow, 176 00:08:35,306 --> 00:08:38,059 saying this was proof that Traci was lying. 177 00:08:55,201 --> 00:08:57,013 But many say that in their experience, 178 00:08:57,037 --> 00:09:00,349 Jim South always checked that the women were of legal age... 179 00:09:00,373 --> 00:09:04,979 -Do you have legal ID showing your age? 180 00:09:05,003 --> 00:09:06,689 No, no. Legal ID, 181 00:09:06,713 --> 00:09:09,525 like a birth certificate, a driver's license. 182 00:09:09,549 --> 00:09:11,277 {\an8}-...including Traci Lords. 183 00:09:11,301 --> 00:09:13,529 {\an8}-So I went into this agency with the fake ID 184 00:09:13,553 --> 00:09:16,282 {\an8}that we's just discussed, and, you know, they said, 185 00:09:16,306 --> 00:09:18,159 {\an8}"Are you 21?" And I went, "Uh-huh." 186 00:09:18,183 --> 00:09:20,077 {\an8}-They asked for my IDs. I gave them my IDs. 187 00:09:20,101 --> 00:09:22,204 It was September of 1983. 188 00:09:22,228 --> 00:09:25,249 I was 19 years old, turning 20 in December. 189 00:09:25,273 --> 00:09:29,420 -At that time, I never suspected anybody else was underaged, 190 00:09:29,444 --> 00:09:32,506 because we all had to have ID. Mine was real. 191 00:09:32,530 --> 00:09:34,550 I didn't even think somebody would get a fake ID. 192 00:09:34,574 --> 00:09:38,220 {\an8}-Later on, I found out that many young women in the industry... 193 00:09:38,244 --> 00:09:42,725 {\an8}I'm not going to name names... Started at 17 or 16 194 00:09:42,749 --> 00:09:44,685 and no one ever found out. 195 00:09:44,709 --> 00:09:48,230 -Still in school, Traci starts posing nude for spreads 196 00:09:48,254 --> 00:09:50,024 in several porn magazines, 197 00:09:50,048 --> 00:09:53,986 {\an8}where she drops the name Nora Kuzma to become Traci Lords. 198 00:09:54,010 --> 00:09:57,072 {\an8}She took the last name Lords because she was a huge fan 199 00:09:57,096 --> 00:09:59,992 {\an8}of Jack Lord from the TV series "Hawaii Five-O". 200 00:10:00,016 --> 00:10:01,619 -Book 'em, Danno. 201 00:10:01,643 --> 00:10:04,622 -Traci's memoir reveals that she was self-aware enough 202 00:10:04,646 --> 00:10:06,123 to recognize that, 203 00:10:06,147 --> 00:10:08,793 while she knew what she was doing was wrong, 204 00:10:08,817 --> 00:10:10,878 she got a thrill from it, too. 205 00:10:10,902 --> 00:10:13,738 And that thrill seemed to outweigh everything else. 206 00:10:32,131 --> 00:10:34,068 But then a boy at Traci's high school 207 00:10:34,092 --> 00:10:35,653 recognizes her in a magazine 208 00:10:35,677 --> 00:10:38,364 and shows it to her in front of her classmates. 209 00:10:38,388 --> 00:10:41,700 For all of her previous bluster about being found out, 210 00:10:41,724 --> 00:10:43,285 when it actually happens, 211 00:10:43,309 --> 00:10:45,955 it turns out to be devastating for her. 212 00:10:45,979 --> 00:10:47,832 Traci writes about how horrifying 213 00:10:47,856 --> 00:10:49,107 the moment is in her book. 214 00:11:09,669 --> 00:11:12,064 She heads to Hollywood, just a few miles, 215 00:11:12,088 --> 00:11:15,985 but a world away from her mom's house in nearby Redondo Beach. 216 00:11:16,009 --> 00:11:17,528 Still only 16, 217 00:11:17,552 --> 00:11:20,656 but armed with her DMV-issued fake ID, 218 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:23,492 Traci's career in the porn industry takes off. 219 00:11:23,516 --> 00:11:26,954 -Every movie that came out with her on the cover 220 00:11:26,978 --> 00:11:28,497 was a major bestseller. 221 00:11:28,521 --> 00:11:30,624 -She entered the business in 1984, 222 00:11:30,648 --> 00:11:32,710 and by the time she was 16 years old, 223 00:11:32,734 --> 00:11:35,212 she's one of the most successful and highly paid 224 00:11:35,236 --> 00:11:36,881 performers in the industry. 225 00:11:36,905 --> 00:11:39,717 -You might call Ginger Lynn, Traci Lords, 226 00:11:39,741 --> 00:11:41,802 {\an7}and Christy Canyon 227 00:11:41,826 --> 00:11:43,637 the Charlie's Angels of the porn industry. 228 00:11:43,661 --> 00:11:46,348 -And there was a fierce competition for the spotlight, 229 00:11:46,372 --> 00:11:49,268 with Traci frequently taking center stage. 230 00:11:49,292 --> 00:11:51,520 -Traci was the only person in the adult industry 231 00:11:51,544 --> 00:11:55,357 that I ever felt that I had any competition with. 232 00:11:55,381 --> 00:11:57,401 She had more confidence than I did. 233 00:11:57,425 --> 00:11:59,945 She had more sex appeal than I did. 234 00:11:59,969 --> 00:12:03,824 She had bigger tits than I did. That only added fuel to the fire 235 00:12:03,848 --> 00:12:06,493 of my not liking her immediately from the beginning. 236 00:12:06,517 --> 00:12:09,914 -I would assume that when you are a top female performer 237 00:12:09,938 --> 00:12:11,248 and somebody new comes up 238 00:12:11,272 --> 00:12:13,042 and starts getting all the attention, 239 00:12:13,066 --> 00:12:14,835 you're not happy about that. 240 00:12:14,859 --> 00:12:17,713 -Ginger may be best known for "Kinky Business", 241 00:12:17,737 --> 00:12:20,799 a play on the Tom Cruise classic "Risky Business". 242 00:12:20,823 --> 00:12:23,469 But Ginger's version starts with a much different 243 00:12:23,493 --> 00:12:25,054 kind of stress dream. 244 00:12:25,078 --> 00:12:27,890 -That's a hard-on. I'm going to tell my mother. 245 00:12:27,914 --> 00:12:30,225 When I did my first couple of films, 246 00:12:30,249 --> 00:12:33,604 I got back home and I was like, "You know what? 247 00:12:33,628 --> 00:12:35,314 I think I'm going to do more movies. 248 00:12:35,338 --> 00:12:36,815 I'm making bank. 249 00:12:36,839 --> 00:12:38,442 I'm having a great time." 250 00:12:38,466 --> 00:12:40,277 Tastes good, too. 251 00:12:40,301 --> 00:12:44,073 And so, I became very popular very quickly and worked a lot. 252 00:12:44,097 --> 00:12:47,451 Christy Canyon's star begins to rise by headlining movies 253 00:12:47,475 --> 00:12:49,245 like "Erotica Jones". 254 00:12:49,269 --> 00:12:51,413 In that film, she plays a repressed housewife 255 00:12:51,437 --> 00:12:53,624 who calls handymen and handywomen... 256 00:12:53,648 --> 00:12:54,875 -Ouch! 257 00:12:54,899 --> 00:12:56,502 - to service her every fantasy. 258 00:12:56,526 --> 00:12:57,795 -Why don't you come in? 259 00:12:57,819 --> 00:12:59,880 I was just there now, having fun, 260 00:12:59,904 --> 00:13:01,465 banking a couple bucks, 261 00:13:01,489 --> 00:13:05,427 learning the most amazing things about sex on camera. 262 00:13:05,451 --> 00:13:07,596 Like, I'd never been with two guys before. 263 00:13:07,620 --> 00:13:09,640 I had never been with a girl before. 264 00:13:09,664 --> 00:13:11,517 -But it was Traci that emerged 265 00:13:11,541 --> 00:13:14,436 as one of the most desired performers in the industry. 266 00:13:14,460 --> 00:13:16,730 -Here's the thing. I loved working with her. 267 00:13:16,754 --> 00:13:20,150 She and Ginger were my two favorite girls to work with 268 00:13:20,174 --> 00:13:22,903 for completely opposite reasons. 269 00:13:22,927 --> 00:13:26,198 Ginger and I were these fun little school girls, 270 00:13:26,222 --> 00:13:27,658 whereas when you worked with Traci, 271 00:13:27,682 --> 00:13:30,452 she was like this porcelain doll in a way. 272 00:13:30,476 --> 00:13:35,290 She was very cold. She was very calculating. 273 00:13:35,314 --> 00:13:37,584 But it was kind of fun, and she was in charge. 274 00:13:37,608 --> 00:13:40,963 I had no doubt in my mind that she was truly a superstar. 275 00:13:40,987 --> 00:13:42,715 -She was as big as big gets. 276 00:13:42,739 --> 00:13:46,051 {\an8}I think she dwarfed Christy and Ginger at the time. 277 00:13:46,075 --> 00:13:49,388 {\an8}She was so big, so fast, in so many movies, 278 00:13:49,412 --> 00:13:50,764 on so many box covers. 279 00:13:50,788 --> 00:13:53,434 -Traci was well known for her energetic, 280 00:13:53,458 --> 00:13:54,977 exuberant performances, 281 00:13:55,001 --> 00:13:59,314 and especially for her loud, wild vocalizations 282 00:13:59,338 --> 00:14:00,816 during sex scenes. 283 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,776 -You can hear those vocalizations 284 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:03,902 in "Traci, I Love You". 285 00:14:03,926 --> 00:14:07,072 -[ Moaning ] 286 00:14:07,096 --> 00:14:09,033 -Her noises were stupid. 287 00:14:09,057 --> 00:14:11,410 -But those noises were a smart way for Traci 288 00:14:11,434 --> 00:14:13,620 to get the only thing that seemed to matter 289 00:14:13,644 --> 00:14:16,373 to her... people's attention, 290 00:14:16,397 --> 00:14:17,732 as she wrote in her book. 291 00:14:30,369 --> 00:14:32,014 Traci and the rest of the industry 292 00:14:32,038 --> 00:14:34,433 would soon get the attention she craved. 293 00:14:34,457 --> 00:14:36,769 But it wasn't the kind anyone wanted. 294 00:14:36,793 --> 00:14:38,187 -I don't know what the true story is. 295 00:14:38,211 --> 00:14:39,521 Everything she has said has been a lie. 296 00:14:39,545 --> 00:14:42,256 -We realized the danger that we were in. 297 00:14:47,136 --> 00:14:48,739 -By the mid-1980s, 298 00:14:48,763 --> 00:14:50,449 making money was at the center of American culture, 299 00:14:50,473 --> 00:14:52,076 as Gordon Gekko said 300 00:14:52,100 --> 00:14:54,036 in this iconic moment in the movie "Wall Street". 301 00:14:54,060 --> 00:14:58,499 -The point is, ladies and gentlemen, that greed, 302 00:14:58,523 --> 00:15:01,752 for lack of a better word, is good. 303 00:15:01,776 --> 00:15:03,212 -And that certainly seemed to be 304 00:15:03,236 --> 00:15:06,799 a driving motivation in the porn industry. 305 00:15:06,823 --> 00:15:11,720 -I was making anywhere between $500 to $1,200 a day. 306 00:15:11,744 --> 00:15:14,640 {\an8}Women could generate twice that, 307 00:15:14,664 --> 00:15:18,143 {\an8}at least $1,200 to $2,000 a scene. 308 00:15:18,167 --> 00:15:23,107 -I have made 76 films in the adult film industry. 309 00:15:23,131 --> 00:15:25,901 -But quantity didn't replace extravagance. 310 00:15:25,925 --> 00:15:30,280 {\an8}-Back in the '80s, it was literally like working 311 00:15:30,304 --> 00:15:32,783 {\an8}for MGM or Paramount. 312 00:15:32,807 --> 00:15:35,702 They had wardrobe, they had hair, they had makeup. 313 00:15:35,726 --> 00:15:38,914 They had crews come in to cook you three meals a day. 314 00:15:38,938 --> 00:15:40,707 I thought that it was very glamorous. 315 00:15:40,731 --> 00:15:42,626 I thought that it was beautiful. 316 00:15:42,650 --> 00:15:45,754 I felt proud to be on a porn set. 317 00:15:45,778 --> 00:15:47,214 -Traci Lords was one of 318 00:15:47,238 --> 00:15:49,758 the highest paid performers on those sets. 319 00:15:49,782 --> 00:15:52,678 -She had the reputation of being a diva, 320 00:15:52,702 --> 00:15:55,347 but so did mainstream Hollywood stars. 321 00:15:55,371 --> 00:15:59,601 I'm sure she got $1,000 a day, but producers were probably 322 00:15:59,625 --> 00:16:03,105 making $1 million off of that scene. 323 00:16:03,129 --> 00:16:04,648 So they put up with her. 324 00:16:04,672 --> 00:16:06,567 "You don't want Thai food? Great. What do you want? 325 00:16:06,591 --> 00:16:08,735 We'll get... We'll get you three different things." 326 00:16:08,759 --> 00:16:13,073 They did anything to make all of us happy, but especially Traci. 327 00:16:13,097 --> 00:16:16,326 They were willing to bend over backwards for her 328 00:16:16,350 --> 00:16:20,122 because 100,000 pieces out the door. 329 00:16:20,146 --> 00:16:21,957 Don't forget, in the mid-80s, 330 00:16:21,981 --> 00:16:26,128 those VHS tapes were going for $89. 331 00:16:26,152 --> 00:16:28,881 They were making friggin' bank. 332 00:16:28,905 --> 00:16:31,383 -But as Traci Lords explained to Larry King, 333 00:16:31,407 --> 00:16:35,220 {\an8}just because her face was on almost every VHS box cover 334 00:16:35,244 --> 00:16:38,307 {\an8}didn't mean she was getting paid for all of those movies. 335 00:16:38,331 --> 00:16:39,975 {\an8}-You make one film in one day 336 00:16:39,999 --> 00:16:41,935 {\an8}and they edit it into 50 different ones 337 00:16:41,959 --> 00:16:43,604 {\an8}with different titles and pictures, 338 00:16:43,628 --> 00:16:45,981 {\an8}and all of a sudden, they think that you made 50. 339 00:16:46,005 --> 00:16:48,442 {\an8}There were maybe 20 films over... over three years, 340 00:16:48,466 --> 00:16:50,152 {\an8}as if that's not enough. 341 00:16:50,176 --> 00:16:52,821 {\an8}You know, the entire... That whole three year period, 342 00:16:52,845 --> 00:16:54,865 {\an8}you know, I maybe made $40,000. 343 00:16:54,889 --> 00:16:57,367 -No matter how much Traci and her fellow actors 344 00:16:57,391 --> 00:16:59,495 actually earned, money in the '80s, 345 00:16:59,519 --> 00:17:02,331 often brought one thing with it... temptation. 346 00:17:02,355 --> 00:17:04,374 -I got caught up in the party crowd 347 00:17:04,398 --> 00:17:09,087 and I got caught up in cocaine and champagne and limousines. 348 00:17:09,111 --> 00:17:10,756 -Everyone was doing drugs. 349 00:17:10,780 --> 00:17:13,050 -Drugs were a problem in the industry. That's true. 350 00:17:13,074 --> 00:17:16,970 {\an8}We never got into cocaine. That's a terrible, terrible drug 351 00:17:16,994 --> 00:17:20,682 {\an8}because it makes you feel like you know everything 352 00:17:20,706 --> 00:17:22,351 and you're really important 353 00:17:22,375 --> 00:17:24,311 and you become the center of attention 354 00:17:24,335 --> 00:17:29,358 because you've got the cocaine, not because anybody likes you. 355 00:17:29,382 --> 00:17:35,989 A lot of girls, I had to resuscitate, get into rehab. 356 00:17:36,013 --> 00:17:39,618 I was quite good at that sort of thing, playing the nurse thing. 357 00:17:39,642 --> 00:17:42,037 -One of the girls Suze rescued was Ginger, 358 00:17:42,061 --> 00:17:44,039 whose addiction grew to be so bad 359 00:17:44,063 --> 00:17:46,541 that she became barely recognizable 360 00:17:46,565 --> 00:17:49,044 and very few wanted to shoot with her. 361 00:17:49,068 --> 00:17:51,338 {\an8}-My reputation had gone down. Everybody knew 362 00:17:51,362 --> 00:17:52,798 {\an8}that I was thin, I was on drugs, 363 00:17:52,822 --> 00:17:55,050 {\an8}that I wasn't doing well, and Suze Randall... 364 00:17:55,074 --> 00:17:59,846 {\an8}this is one of my most special moments in my life... 365 00:17:59,870 --> 00:18:01,431 Suze came in and she said, 366 00:18:01,455 --> 00:18:03,892 "You can be a drug addict all you want, if you want, 367 00:18:03,916 --> 00:18:06,061 or you can get your shit together. You make the choice. 368 00:18:06,085 --> 00:18:09,481 What do you want to do? Which way do you want to go?" 369 00:18:09,505 --> 00:18:13,318 And... I didn't know, 370 00:18:13,342 --> 00:18:15,404 but I knew I didn't want to be a drug addict. 371 00:18:15,428 --> 00:18:18,949 I had my values. I had my rules. I had my confidence. 372 00:18:18,973 --> 00:18:21,410 I had all of these wonderful things 373 00:18:21,434 --> 00:18:23,370 that my father had instilled in me. 374 00:18:23,394 --> 00:18:27,165 Had it not been for Suze coming over that day 375 00:18:27,189 --> 00:18:29,084 and telling me to get my shit together, 376 00:18:29,108 --> 00:18:30,585 I don't think I would be here today. 377 00:18:30,609 --> 00:18:33,171 I mean, I was on a really bad path. 378 00:18:33,195 --> 00:18:36,591 -Traci Lords says she also got caught up in the whirlwind 379 00:18:36,615 --> 00:18:38,093 of porn's party scene. 380 00:18:38,117 --> 00:18:40,137 But drugs weren't the only thing 381 00:18:40,161 --> 00:18:43,056 Traci sought out when the cameras stopped rolling. 382 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,310 -I remember working with Traci Lords on "Kinky Business". 383 00:18:46,334 --> 00:18:50,314 I had this blowjob scene in the shower with Tom Byron, 384 00:18:50,338 --> 00:18:51,940 and I'm sucking his dick, 385 00:18:51,964 --> 00:18:53,775 which I actually won an award for... Best Blowjob. 386 00:18:53,799 --> 00:18:56,862 My grandma was so proud of me. I ended the scene, 387 00:18:56,886 --> 00:19:00,824 and I looked out the window. Traci was on the diving board. 388 00:19:00,848 --> 00:19:05,120 Someone from the crew. She was extremely sexual. 389 00:19:05,144 --> 00:19:11,293 She was slutty. She was sexy. She was just... She exuded sex. 390 00:19:11,317 --> 00:19:14,338 -While Traci acknowledged this perceived promiscuity, 391 00:19:14,362 --> 00:19:18,050 victims of sexual abuse may see sex as the only way 392 00:19:18,074 --> 00:19:21,136 to get love or attention from those around them. 393 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,496 She explained her experience in her book. 394 00:19:45,101 --> 00:19:48,372 Traci also told stories on set that left her co-stars 395 00:19:48,396 --> 00:19:49,998 wondering if her polluted mind 396 00:19:50,022 --> 00:19:53,126 could no longer tell truth from fiction. 397 00:19:53,150 --> 00:19:56,338 -I remember on one of the sets, she said to me, 398 00:19:56,362 --> 00:19:57,923 "You know, Christy, 399 00:19:57,947 --> 00:20:01,259 I was a virgin until I got in the porn business." 400 00:20:01,283 --> 00:20:04,137 And I was thinking, "God, I just saw two guys piledrive you. 401 00:20:04,161 --> 00:20:06,348 Like, you learn pretty fast on the job." 402 00:20:06,372 --> 00:20:09,393 But then, like a month later, I remember Traci Lords saying, 403 00:20:09,417 --> 00:20:13,522 "You know, in high school, I... the whole football team." 404 00:20:13,546 --> 00:20:16,233 And I thought, 405 00:20:16,257 --> 00:20:19,111 "You told me you were a virgin before you got in the business." 406 00:20:19,135 --> 00:20:22,781 -I never really had a lot of conversations with Traci. 407 00:20:22,805 --> 00:20:26,201 We did not communicate well at all before, 408 00:20:26,225 --> 00:20:28,745 during, or after scenes. She would just say 409 00:20:28,769 --> 00:20:32,374 different things nonchalantly that you just went, 410 00:20:32,398 --> 00:20:33,750 "That doesn't sound right." 411 00:20:33,774 --> 00:20:35,210 -"Huh, she sure lies a lot, and boy, 412 00:20:35,234 --> 00:20:36,962 they're such opposite lies." 413 00:20:36,986 --> 00:20:38,547 But I just... 414 00:20:38,571 --> 00:20:41,216 Again, at 18, you just don't really give a shit. 415 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,009 So I just went along my merry way. 416 00:20:43,033 --> 00:20:46,096 -There was never a smile or an honesty 417 00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:48,056 or reality with Traci Lords. 418 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,934 There was always this... Something was off. 419 00:20:50,958 --> 00:20:53,061 I didn't believe anything that she said. 420 00:20:53,085 --> 00:20:55,313 -But in the porn business, the bottom line 421 00:20:55,337 --> 00:20:57,190 is often all that matters, 422 00:20:57,214 --> 00:21:00,736 and Traci Lords was one of the industry's biggest moneymakers. 423 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,904 She was so popular that photographer 424 00:21:02,928 --> 00:21:06,032 Suze Randall thought Traci could go beyond porn. 425 00:21:06,056 --> 00:21:09,411 -She was a great model. She was a great mover, 426 00:21:09,435 --> 00:21:13,165 and I thought she should explore other avenues. 427 00:21:13,189 --> 00:21:15,876 -So Suze shot her for the prestigious 428 00:21:15,900 --> 00:21:19,337 Lamb's Navy Rum calendar, popular in the UK, 429 00:21:19,361 --> 00:21:21,339 but on a promotion trip to Britain, 430 00:21:21,363 --> 00:21:24,384 Suze learned you can take an actress out of porn, 431 00:21:24,408 --> 00:21:27,554 but maybe not the porn out of the actress. 432 00:21:27,578 --> 00:21:29,097 -They flew us over to London 433 00:21:29,121 --> 00:21:32,225 for the presentation of the calendar. 434 00:21:32,249 --> 00:21:35,979 All she did was give the agent's son a blowjob in the dark room. 435 00:21:36,003 --> 00:21:40,984 She wasn't really interested in modeling. 436 00:21:41,008 --> 00:21:42,777 -When they returned to the US, 437 00:21:42,801 --> 00:21:44,738 news about Traci's past would mark 438 00:21:44,762 --> 00:21:49,451 the end of anyone's interest in making Traci more mainstream. 439 00:21:49,475 --> 00:21:53,497 -I got a sniffling of it when we got off the plane 440 00:21:53,521 --> 00:21:54,915 coming back from London 441 00:21:54,939 --> 00:21:59,085 and all the press was around us, paparazzi, 442 00:21:59,109 --> 00:22:01,630 and they were murmuring something. 443 00:22:01,654 --> 00:22:03,381 -A young woman, widely publicized 444 00:22:03,405 --> 00:22:05,675 under the name of Traci Lords, 445 00:22:05,699 --> 00:22:08,053 may legally be just a child. 446 00:22:08,077 --> 00:22:11,139 -I was shocked. I mean, I had no idea. 447 00:22:11,163 --> 00:22:13,058 -I'm at my house in Beverly Hills. 448 00:22:13,082 --> 00:22:14,893 I get a knock on the door. 449 00:22:14,917 --> 00:22:16,937 It's a woman and a man from the district attorney's office. 450 00:22:16,961 --> 00:22:18,522 We sit down at my table 451 00:22:18,546 --> 00:22:21,024 and she starts asking me questions about Traci Lords. 452 00:22:21,048 --> 00:22:23,509 -We realized the danger that we were in. 453 00:22:30,015 --> 00:22:31,701 -I was watching some TV show. 454 00:22:31,725 --> 00:22:33,495 I'm probably, like, cleaning my apartment 455 00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:34,621 and just... it was kind of, 456 00:22:34,645 --> 00:22:36,581 you know, "Entertainment Tonight", 457 00:22:36,605 --> 00:22:39,793 and I remember, you know, like, doo-doo-doo, cleaning in here. 458 00:22:39,817 --> 00:22:41,878 "Underage porn star Traci Lords." 459 00:22:41,902 --> 00:22:46,174 And I just remember saying, "She was how old?!" 460 00:22:46,198 --> 00:22:51,012 It was a shock. At no point did I think she was under 20. 461 00:22:51,036 --> 00:22:54,849 She carried herself really well, really confident. 462 00:22:54,873 --> 00:22:57,519 I was 18 and I had a 10th of her confidence. 463 00:22:57,543 --> 00:22:59,771 I don't know how she was so confident, but... [whistles] 464 00:22:59,795 --> 00:23:04,109 {\an8}-Police sources say the star of adult movies was legally a child 465 00:23:04,133 --> 00:23:05,902 when she made most of them, 466 00:23:05,926 --> 00:23:10,031 that she began in sex films as a 16-year-old Ohio runaway. 467 00:23:10,055 --> 00:23:12,075 -The news shook the California-based 468 00:23:12,099 --> 00:23:13,952 adult entertainment industry. 469 00:23:13,976 --> 00:23:16,454 It had implications for performers, 470 00:23:16,478 --> 00:23:20,250 photographers, producers, and production companies, 471 00:23:20,274 --> 00:23:21,793 even that member of the crew 472 00:23:21,817 --> 00:23:24,713 Traci allegedly had sex with on set. 473 00:23:24,737 --> 00:23:27,173 Most everyone in that world remembers 474 00:23:27,197 --> 00:23:30,552 where they were on July 18th, 1986. 475 00:23:30,576 --> 00:23:34,389 -Well, that was a terrible day. Very scary day. 476 00:23:34,413 --> 00:23:36,933 I went, "Oh, my God, that sounds like Traci." 477 00:23:36,957 --> 00:23:38,935 I don't think she meant any harm. 478 00:23:38,959 --> 00:23:41,062 She would never have wanted to harm me. 479 00:23:41,086 --> 00:23:43,940 But it scared the shit out of the whole industry. 480 00:23:43,964 --> 00:23:48,361 {\an8}-I was in Philadelphia when the Traci Lords "scandal" happened. 481 00:23:48,385 --> 00:23:52,532 I knew Traci. I interviewed her along with my business partner 482 00:23:52,556 --> 00:23:54,284 at one of the trade shows 483 00:23:54,308 --> 00:23:58,204 when she was supposedly a young new starlet who was 18. 484 00:23:58,228 --> 00:24:00,540 I didn't know her age. - I was shocked. 485 00:24:00,564 --> 00:24:04,336 I wasn't scared. I didn't feel culpable. 486 00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:07,380 {\an8}I mean, I had no idea. Had I known, of course, 487 00:24:07,404 --> 00:24:09,424 {\an8}I wouldn't have done anything like that, you know, 488 00:24:09,448 --> 00:24:13,595 {\an8}nor would 95% of the people I know. 489 00:24:13,619 --> 00:24:15,263 They would have just backed off. 490 00:24:15,287 --> 00:24:17,265 You know, I mean, they... You know, wait 'til she's 18. 491 00:24:17,289 --> 00:24:20,602 -And it was like, "Who could I call first?" 492 00:24:20,626 --> 00:24:25,482 {\an8}Alexis, the makeup artist. And of course, that was 1986, 493 00:24:25,506 --> 00:24:27,567 {\an8}so I don't even think they have call waiting back then. 494 00:24:27,591 --> 00:24:30,111 {\an8}So, like, I get a busy signal, I'd be like, 495 00:24:30,135 --> 00:24:32,197 {\an8}"Operator, can I make an emergency call?" 496 00:24:32,221 --> 00:24:33,698 {\an8}Because we used to make emergency calls 497 00:24:33,722 --> 00:24:35,241 {\an8}in the day, right? 498 00:24:35,265 --> 00:24:37,285 {\an8}We were just like, "Oh, my God, she was underaged." 499 00:24:37,309 --> 00:24:39,788 {\an8}-It's funny when you think of it now, about how fast news travels 500 00:24:39,812 --> 00:24:42,582 {\an8}these days with social media and the Internet and everything. 501 00:24:42,606 --> 00:24:45,126 But back then, you know, obviously, you got your news 502 00:24:45,150 --> 00:24:46,961 from people calling you on the phone 503 00:24:46,985 --> 00:24:49,005 and seeing it on the 10:00 news. 504 00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:51,841 {\an8}My initial reaction was, "I don't believe it. 505 00:24:51,865 --> 00:24:53,593 {\an8}I don't believe she's underaged. 506 00:24:53,617 --> 00:24:58,139 {\an8}There's no way this little vixen can be an underaged person." 507 00:24:58,163 --> 00:25:00,225 {\an8}-Later, in her Larry King interview, 508 00:25:00,249 --> 00:25:02,018 {\an8}Traci talked about how she was able 509 00:25:02,042 --> 00:25:06,189 {\an8}to work in the porn business even though she was underage. 510 00:25:06,213 --> 00:25:07,607 {\an8}-If you said you were old enough, 511 00:25:07,631 --> 00:25:09,317 {\an8}people kind of went, "Yeah, okay, sure." 512 00:25:09,341 --> 00:25:13,321 {\an8}-My reaction to Traci as a seasoned performer 513 00:25:13,345 --> 00:25:16,074 was somebody who was totally in charge, 514 00:25:16,098 --> 00:25:17,617 directing the action like that. 515 00:25:17,641 --> 00:25:20,495 You're like... she was... She was... 516 00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:22,372 To me, she was not a victim. 517 00:25:22,396 --> 00:25:27,419 But the reality is, if you're 15 years old, you are a victim. 518 00:25:27,443 --> 00:25:31,214 -But Traci, as the victim, is not how law enforcement saw it 519 00:25:31,238 --> 00:25:32,841 when the story first broke. 520 00:25:32,865 --> 00:25:34,676 She even wrote about how she felt 521 00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:36,302 like a criminal at that moment. 522 00:25:36,326 --> 00:25:39,329 -She herself was taken into custody. 523 00:25:59,892 --> 00:26:01,536 -Once she was found to be under age, 524 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,413 all the retailers had to return the movies, 525 00:26:03,437 --> 00:26:05,457 the distributors had to return the movies. 526 00:26:05,481 --> 00:26:08,585 If you had movies with her, you had to destroy them 527 00:26:08,609 --> 00:26:11,671 or cut her out of the movies. 528 00:26:11,695 --> 00:26:13,882 -Instantly, any X-rated videos 529 00:26:13,906 --> 00:26:17,635 featuring Traci Lords became illegal child pornography. 530 00:26:17,659 --> 00:26:21,097 -The industry began sweeping its shelves of Lords' movies. 531 00:26:21,121 --> 00:26:25,935 {\an8}-The whole industry is extremely shocked and they're frightened. 532 00:26:25,959 --> 00:26:27,520 {\an8}They don't know which way to move. 533 00:26:27,544 --> 00:26:29,731 {\an8}-This wiped out millions of dollars in inventory 534 00:26:29,755 --> 00:26:33,443 {\an8}for those stores and really sent the home video industry 535 00:26:33,467 --> 00:26:35,945 and the adult film industry into a tailspin. 536 00:26:35,969 --> 00:26:38,698 -There was a lot of grumbling from the uppity-ups 537 00:26:38,722 --> 00:26:41,075 in the industry, that they were losing so much money. 538 00:26:41,099 --> 00:26:44,829 But I was also in some ways pleased 539 00:26:44,853 --> 00:26:47,081 that some of the scumbags in the industry 540 00:26:47,105 --> 00:26:48,500 got... financially. 541 00:26:48,524 --> 00:26:51,085 I mean, I know that doesn't sound 542 00:26:51,109 --> 00:26:52,796 like a real home team player, 543 00:26:52,820 --> 00:26:56,049 but there was so many assholes in the industry, 544 00:26:56,073 --> 00:26:58,009 I was happy they lost money. 545 00:26:58,033 --> 00:27:01,262 -When I found out that Traci was underage, I wasn't afraid 546 00:27:01,286 --> 00:27:02,931 for me, I was afraid for my friends. 547 00:27:02,955 --> 00:27:05,642 If I remember correctly, one of my friend's fathers, 548 00:27:05,666 --> 00:27:09,437 one of the photographers, had shot Traci all the time 549 00:27:09,461 --> 00:27:11,397 and they were trying to get rid of everything. 550 00:27:11,421 --> 00:27:14,567 Half of his catalogue was Traci Lords. 551 00:27:14,591 --> 00:27:16,861 I was told that he ended up having to go in 552 00:27:16,885 --> 00:27:20,281 to a mental health facility for a while after this happened. 553 00:27:20,305 --> 00:27:25,203 -It really was a huge earthquake in the adult business. 554 00:27:25,227 --> 00:27:29,040 No one wanted to get caught for underage talent. 555 00:27:29,064 --> 00:27:30,708 -It's really remarkable to me 556 00:27:30,732 --> 00:27:32,710 that there's this whole piece of adult film history 557 00:27:32,734 --> 00:27:36,297 featuring one of the biggest stars, most successful 558 00:27:36,321 --> 00:27:40,093 that's been all but erased from this history. 559 00:27:40,117 --> 00:27:41,803 -My best friend, Tina Marie, was like, 560 00:27:41,827 --> 00:27:44,264 "Yeah, my husband's pulling all of her footage." 561 00:27:44,288 --> 00:27:46,599 Ron Vogel, his daughter, Alexis, was like, 562 00:27:46,623 --> 00:27:49,352 "Oh my God, my dad's there. He's pulling all of her stills. 563 00:27:49,376 --> 00:27:54,649 We're burning everything." Like, it was huge news. 564 00:27:54,673 --> 00:27:57,610 -Photographer Suze Randall was in a state of panic. 565 00:27:57,634 --> 00:27:59,779 She now faced potential prosecution 566 00:27:59,803 --> 00:28:02,740 for taking hundreds of naked photographs of a minor. 567 00:28:02,764 --> 00:28:07,954 -We realized the danger that we were in. 568 00:28:07,978 --> 00:28:09,956 -There was an article about it, like, 569 00:28:09,980 --> 00:28:12,500 "Comes to light... Traci Lords, underage porn star." 570 00:28:12,524 --> 00:28:14,544 And my dad was just like, 571 00:28:14,568 --> 00:28:16,671 "Oh, shit." 572 00:28:16,695 --> 00:28:22,552 -So we shredded all the material and we ran around town 573 00:28:22,576 --> 00:28:26,347 dumping it in different trash cans. 574 00:28:26,371 --> 00:28:29,642 -I think I had about five trash bags full of Traci Lords' 575 00:28:29,666 --> 00:28:33,104 {\an8}pictures and drove around the various supermarkets, 576 00:28:33,128 --> 00:28:34,772 {\an8}looking for ones with empty bins, 577 00:28:34,796 --> 00:28:36,983 {\an8}because you didn't want to throw them on top of 578 00:28:37,007 --> 00:28:38,776 because it might get out. 579 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,404 -Bye-bye, Traci. 580 00:28:41,428 --> 00:28:43,448 -I was seven years old. 581 00:28:43,472 --> 00:28:45,658 I sort of knew what my parents did for a living, 582 00:28:45,682 --> 00:28:48,536 but I didn't have a full understanding of it. 583 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,539 So all they could really tell me was, "Cops might come 584 00:28:51,563 --> 00:28:55,376 and take Mommy and Daddy away to jail. 585 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,420 If this happens, you need to call these people 586 00:28:57,444 --> 00:28:58,796 and they're going to take care of it 587 00:28:58,820 --> 00:29:00,590 and everything's going to be alright." 588 00:29:00,614 --> 00:29:04,469 -I did warn Holly that if we went to jail to call my lawyer 589 00:29:04,493 --> 00:29:06,888 who lived down the street, 590 00:29:06,912 --> 00:29:09,474 -I don't understand why my parents would go to jail. 591 00:29:09,498 --> 00:29:11,351 My parents were good people. 592 00:29:11,375 --> 00:29:14,520 -Some of the adults who had sex with the underage Traci 593 00:29:14,544 --> 00:29:17,982 would become targets of the investigation as well. 594 00:29:18,006 --> 00:29:21,361 -They wanted me to testify on Traci Lords' behalf 595 00:29:21,385 --> 00:29:23,905 against 64 adult film producers. 596 00:29:23,929 --> 00:29:26,532 And they said to me very specifically, 597 00:29:26,556 --> 00:29:27,992 "If you don't help us with this, 598 00:29:28,016 --> 00:29:29,816 we are going to make your life very difficult. 599 00:29:35,357 --> 00:29:36,751 -I'm at my house in Beverly Hills. 600 00:29:36,775 --> 00:29:38,586 {\an8}[ Knock on door ] I get a knock on the door. 601 00:29:38,610 --> 00:29:40,546 {\an8}It's a woman and a man from the district attorney's office. 602 00:29:40,570 --> 00:29:42,340 {\an8}We sit down at my table 603 00:29:42,364 --> 00:29:45,426 and she starts asking me questions about Traci Lords. 604 00:29:45,450 --> 00:29:48,054 And I looked down and she had a little bag, 605 00:29:48,078 --> 00:29:49,639 a little purse type deal, 606 00:29:49,663 --> 00:29:51,933 and there was a tape recorder running. 607 00:29:51,957 --> 00:29:53,685 I called my attorney and said, 608 00:29:53,709 --> 00:29:56,062 "I've got these people here from the district attorney's office." 609 00:29:56,086 --> 00:29:58,356 And he said, "Shut up," and I did. 610 00:29:58,380 --> 00:30:00,566 -Ginger had a right to be scared. 611 00:30:00,590 --> 00:30:04,612 She had engaged in sex with legally underage Traci Lords 612 00:30:04,636 --> 00:30:08,157 during the filming of the aptly titled "Those Young Girls". 613 00:30:08,181 --> 00:30:09,867 {\an8}-I remember the guy I was dating. 614 00:30:09,891 --> 00:30:13,705 {\an8}He had produced or he distributed "Those Young Girls" 615 00:30:13,729 --> 00:30:17,291 {\an8}that had Ginger Lynn, Traci Lords, Harry Reems, 616 00:30:17,315 --> 00:30:20,086 John Holmes. They went after that. 617 00:30:20,110 --> 00:30:22,130 -"They" were the Attorney General's 618 00:30:22,154 --> 00:30:23,715 Commission on Pornography, 619 00:30:23,739 --> 00:30:28,136 headed up in 1986 by Ronald Reagan's AG, Edwin Meese. 620 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,303 -And as you can imagine, of course, 621 00:30:29,327 --> 00:30:30,888 their conclusions in the end were, 622 00:30:30,912 --> 00:30:33,975 {\an8}"Yes, porn is harmful to society. 623 00:30:33,999 --> 00:30:35,393 {\an8}Yes, porn degrades women, 624 00:30:35,417 --> 00:30:37,103 {\an8}promotes violence" and stuff like that. 625 00:30:37,127 --> 00:30:38,646 {\an8}Overall, it was, you know, 626 00:30:38,670 --> 00:30:40,857 {\an8}designed to try to take down the porn industry. 627 00:30:40,881 --> 00:30:42,859 {\an8}-The Traci Lord stuff that was happening around 628 00:30:42,883 --> 00:30:44,819 {\an8}the same time really contributed to that 629 00:30:44,843 --> 00:30:48,531 {\an8}because now the industry is seen as dangerous and out of control 630 00:30:48,555 --> 00:30:50,908 and not even knowing who's working in it. 631 00:30:50,932 --> 00:30:53,911 -People were really worried that the government 632 00:30:53,935 --> 00:30:56,998 was going to come in and shut down the golden goose. 633 00:30:57,022 --> 00:30:59,959 No one wanted to go to jail for pornography, 634 00:30:59,983 --> 00:31:04,881 let alone underage pornography. So people were really worried. 635 00:31:04,905 --> 00:31:07,341 -The Meese Commission's inquiry into pornography 636 00:31:07,365 --> 00:31:09,218 dragged on for years. 637 00:31:09,242 --> 00:31:12,597 {\an8}-They wanted me to testify on Traci Lord's behalf 638 00:31:12,621 --> 00:31:15,349 {\an8}against 64 adult film producers. 639 00:31:15,373 --> 00:31:18,186 They said to me very specifically, 640 00:31:18,210 --> 00:31:19,729 "If you don't help us with this, 641 00:31:19,753 --> 00:31:22,273 we are going to make your life very difficult." 642 00:31:22,297 --> 00:31:23,941 So I go before the grand jury 643 00:31:23,965 --> 00:31:26,527 and they showed me photographs from "Kinky Business", 644 00:31:26,551 --> 00:31:28,196 and they're asking me who the different people 645 00:31:28,220 --> 00:31:30,615 in the photographs are, and I'm like, "I don't know. 646 00:31:30,639 --> 00:31:32,825 That's Bob." Everybody was Bob on the set. 647 00:31:32,849 --> 00:31:36,245 You know, a lot of people weren't as open and honest 648 00:31:36,269 --> 00:31:37,538 about what they were doing in there, 649 00:31:37,562 --> 00:31:38,790 and in their film careers at the time, 650 00:31:38,814 --> 00:31:40,583 a lot of the crew kind of people. 651 00:31:40,607 --> 00:31:43,836 -The surveillance-type photos authorities show Ginger made her 652 00:31:43,860 --> 00:31:47,340 even more wary of the investigation's true intentions. 653 00:31:47,364 --> 00:31:50,384 -They had photographs of Traci... 654 00:31:50,408 --> 00:31:53,554 Why did anyone allow her to continue if, 655 00:31:53,578 --> 00:31:55,973 in fact, she really was underage at the time? 656 00:31:55,997 --> 00:31:58,726 It made absolutely no sense to me whatsoever. 657 00:31:58,750 --> 00:32:02,397 When I refused to testify, that was it. 658 00:32:02,421 --> 00:32:04,107 -Well, not quite. 659 00:32:04,131 --> 00:32:07,401 Ginger was not charged in connection with Traci Lords, 660 00:32:07,425 --> 00:32:09,570 but she believes she was still punished. 661 00:32:09,594 --> 00:32:12,532 -It kind of ended, until five years later, 662 00:32:12,556 --> 00:32:14,575 to the day. I was in Malibu. 663 00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:16,244 I was dating Charlie Sheen at the time, 664 00:32:16,268 --> 00:32:19,580 and my attorney called and said, "You've been indicted 665 00:32:19,604 --> 00:32:22,792 for willfully subscribing to a false tax return." 666 00:32:22,816 --> 00:32:25,670 I was facing six years in federal prison. 667 00:32:25,694 --> 00:32:29,715 I spent close to half a million dollars defending myself 668 00:32:29,739 --> 00:32:31,467 for a crime I didn't commit. 669 00:32:31,491 --> 00:32:35,179 And it turned out I got 750 hours of community service, 670 00:32:35,203 --> 00:32:40,935 mandatory drug testing, and... and fines and fees. 671 00:32:40,959 --> 00:32:44,105 I completely felt that this was retribution for me 672 00:32:44,129 --> 00:32:48,025 refusing to testify against all of these porn producers. 673 00:32:48,049 --> 00:32:51,112 -Two producers from "Those Young Girls" were indicted. 674 00:32:51,136 --> 00:32:53,531 -These two schmucks that had nothing to do 675 00:32:53,555 --> 00:32:54,824 with the porn business. 676 00:32:54,848 --> 00:32:56,450 They were like comedian directors. 677 00:32:56,474 --> 00:32:58,202 They directed comedies, and... but they were like, 678 00:32:58,226 --> 00:33:00,913 "Okay, let's try porn." The one porn that gets busted 679 00:33:00,937 --> 00:33:03,166 called "Those Young Girls" is what they did. 680 00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:06,460 -One distributor, who sold Traci's underage tapes 681 00:33:06,484 --> 00:33:08,963 after her true age was revealed, was charged 682 00:33:08,987 --> 00:33:12,049 with three counts of trafficking child pornography. 683 00:33:12,073 --> 00:33:14,468 The distributor appealed the case all the way 684 00:33:14,492 --> 00:33:16,345 to the Supreme Court on the grounds 685 00:33:16,369 --> 00:33:19,390 that certain federal statutes about child pornography 686 00:33:19,414 --> 00:33:23,644 were unconstitutionally vague. But his conviction was upheld. 687 00:33:23,668 --> 00:33:27,857 He served one year and was fined $100,000. 688 00:33:27,881 --> 00:33:31,402 Since Traci's mom and mom's boyfriend weren't involved 689 00:33:31,426 --> 00:33:32,820 in Traci's films, 690 00:33:32,844 --> 00:33:35,615 neither were charged in the underage scandal, 691 00:33:35,639 --> 00:33:37,783 and Traci never reported the boyfriend 692 00:33:37,807 --> 00:33:39,660 for allegedly abusing her. 693 00:33:39,684 --> 00:33:42,288 But ironically, it was her mom's boyfriend 694 00:33:42,312 --> 00:33:43,915 who ended up being responsible 695 00:33:43,939 --> 00:33:46,834 for protecting a lot of people in the porn industry 696 00:33:46,858 --> 00:33:49,003 when he helped 15-year-old Traci 697 00:33:49,027 --> 00:33:51,756 acquire her government issued fraudulent ID. 698 00:33:51,780 --> 00:33:55,676 {\an8}-She had fake IDs that were apparently professionally done. 699 00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:57,970 {\an8}So no one knew and no one questioned it. 700 00:33:57,994 --> 00:34:00,848 {\an8}-This was also how she allegedly got a passport 701 00:34:00,872 --> 00:34:03,100 {\an8}when she traveled to London with Suze Randall. 702 00:34:03,124 --> 00:34:07,146 {\an8}-Traci got her passport like everybody else does, 703 00:34:07,170 --> 00:34:11,817 {\an8}by going with your IDs, but her IDs were fake. 704 00:34:11,841 --> 00:34:14,654 {\an8}-What saved a lot of these people... 705 00:34:14,678 --> 00:34:20,159 {\an8}She had a government ID. So do you sue the DMV? 706 00:34:20,183 --> 00:34:22,787 It's not their fault that it slipped through the cracks 707 00:34:22,811 --> 00:34:26,791 at the DMV and the United States passport office. 708 00:34:26,815 --> 00:34:29,168 Like, if you could fool the government, 709 00:34:29,192 --> 00:34:31,671 why can't you fool some pornographers? 710 00:34:31,695 --> 00:34:34,799 -Because of this, charges were dropped against Jim South. 711 00:34:34,823 --> 00:34:36,342 {\an8}- We're modeling. - Years later, 712 00:34:36,366 --> 00:34:37,843 {\an8}on "Larry King Live", 713 00:34:37,867 --> 00:34:40,638 {\an8}Traci Lords admitted to lying about her age. 714 00:34:40,662 --> 00:34:42,890 {\an8}-Yes, I lied about my age, but honestly, 715 00:34:42,914 --> 00:34:44,600 {\an8}nobody really seemed to care that much. 716 00:34:44,624 --> 00:34:46,394 {\an8}They wanted to make money. 717 00:34:46,418 --> 00:34:48,980 {\an8}-People were angry because they felt like she had put them 718 00:34:49,004 --> 00:34:53,693 in this dangerous situation and it wasn't their fault. 719 00:34:53,717 --> 00:34:56,195 It's hard to hold her accountable for her actions 720 00:34:56,219 --> 00:34:58,656 because she was a minor, but also, the people 721 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,993 who filmed her did not know she was a minor. 722 00:35:02,017 --> 00:35:04,662 So how could they be held accountable for their actions? 723 00:35:04,686 --> 00:35:07,248 So it was a very muddy case. 724 00:35:07,272 --> 00:35:10,418 -But Traci's own actions helped make the situation 725 00:35:10,442 --> 00:35:11,836 even cloudier. 726 00:35:11,860 --> 00:35:14,005 After she legally came of age, 727 00:35:14,029 --> 00:35:16,382 but right before the scandal broke, 728 00:35:16,406 --> 00:35:19,427 Traci Lords created her own production company. 729 00:35:19,451 --> 00:35:22,596 {\an8}One of the movies she made as part of the Traci Lords company 730 00:35:22,620 --> 00:35:25,057 was called "Traci, I Love You". 731 00:35:25,081 --> 00:35:27,810 -I want you to press your hot body up against me. 732 00:35:27,834 --> 00:35:30,604 -[ Speaking French ] 733 00:35:30,628 --> 00:35:32,940 {\an8}-The important thing about "Traci, I Love You" 734 00:35:32,964 --> 00:35:34,817 {\an8}is that it was shot two days 735 00:35:34,841 --> 00:35:37,653 {\an8}after Traci Lords' 18th birthday, 736 00:35:37,677 --> 00:35:39,447 making it the only film 737 00:35:39,471 --> 00:35:43,200 that is legally allowed to be owned in the United States. 738 00:35:43,224 --> 00:35:46,370 -The film telegraphs themes which would later become part 739 00:35:46,394 --> 00:35:48,497 of Traci's story about herself. 740 00:35:48,521 --> 00:35:50,374 She plays a sex worker 741 00:35:50,398 --> 00:35:53,044 who tries to make it as a mainstream actress, 742 00:35:53,068 --> 00:35:55,129 but ends up being used by her agent 743 00:35:55,153 --> 00:35:57,340 and can only book roles in erotic films. 744 00:35:57,364 --> 00:36:01,427 -I don't understand. Pleasure is love. 745 00:36:01,451 --> 00:36:04,597 -That's right. The only Traci Lords film 746 00:36:04,621 --> 00:36:07,975 we can show you is owned by Traci Lords. 747 00:36:07,999 --> 00:36:10,644 -Traci owned the rights to the royalties on 748 00:36:10,668 --> 00:36:12,980 "Traci, I Love You", the only legal film, 749 00:36:13,004 --> 00:36:15,149 and all the other films had to be destroyed. 750 00:36:15,173 --> 00:36:21,280 -To my knowledge, nobody knew how deep her lies 751 00:36:21,304 --> 00:36:26,243 and her web that she had spun ran so deep. 752 00:36:26,267 --> 00:36:31,332 But if she didn't pull off the ultimate... scam. 753 00:36:31,356 --> 00:36:34,210 -"Traci, I Love You" became one of the best-selling 754 00:36:34,234 --> 00:36:37,171 porn tapes ever, and it fueled speculation 755 00:36:37,195 --> 00:36:41,241 about who tipped off the FBI in the first place. 756 00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:48,724 -I know who did it. Some smart person. 757 00:36:48,748 --> 00:36:53,586 And I'm not going to say, but you can guess, can't you? 758 00:36:59,884 --> 00:37:02,863 -After Traci Lords left the adult film industry, 759 00:37:02,887 --> 00:37:06,117 {\an8}she kept the name Traci Lords, which is a way for her 760 00:37:06,141 --> 00:37:09,036 {\an8}to capitalize on the fame she had achieved. 761 00:37:09,060 --> 00:37:12,790 She tried to cross over into the mainstream film industry. 762 00:37:12,814 --> 00:37:14,375 She actually had some success. 763 00:37:14,399 --> 00:37:16,335 She was in John Waters' "Cry Baby"... 764 00:37:16,359 --> 00:37:18,129 -Dad, would you just just leave me alone? 765 00:37:18,153 --> 00:37:22,049 - she appeared in a "MacGyver" episode... 766 00:37:22,073 --> 00:37:24,051 -Don't you forget me now, you hear? 767 00:37:24,075 --> 00:37:26,137 {\an8}-...she had a small part in the movie "Blade". 768 00:37:26,161 --> 00:37:27,888 {\an8}-[ Laughs ] 769 00:37:27,912 --> 00:37:30,933 {\an8}- So, where are we going? - It's a surprise, baby. 770 00:37:30,957 --> 00:37:34,103 -She even had a hit music single. 771 00:37:34,127 --> 00:37:37,565 -And in place of the loud vocalizations from her videos, 772 00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:40,651 most of Traci's songs featured her using her voice 773 00:37:40,675 --> 00:37:43,028 in a sultry whisper instead. 774 00:37:43,052 --> 00:37:44,989 - ♪ Let me kiss it ♪ - ♪ Let me kiss it ♪ 775 00:37:45,013 --> 00:37:46,073 - ♪ And make it better ♪ - ♪ And make it better ♪ 776 00:37:46,097 --> 00:37:47,950 -But she did not really achieve 777 00:37:47,974 --> 00:37:51,745 that kind of crossover success that she had hoped. 778 00:37:51,769 --> 00:37:54,373 -Nearly 20 years after the scandal broke, 779 00:37:54,397 --> 00:37:57,585 Traci Lords' tell-all book, "Underneath It All", 780 00:37:57,609 --> 00:38:01,172 came out in 2003, but not everyone agrees 781 00:38:01,196 --> 00:38:04,425 with how she characterized her time in the adult industry. 782 00:38:04,449 --> 00:38:06,010 -Shame on you, Traci. 783 00:38:06,034 --> 00:38:09,430 In your book, you called our agent, like, Tim North. 784 00:38:09,454 --> 00:38:13,934 {\an8}Oh, you're so uncreative. And in the book, she lied. 785 00:38:13,958 --> 00:38:16,604 {\an8}He fed her champagne. He fed her cocaine. 786 00:38:16,628 --> 00:38:19,064 Right then, I'm like, "Okay, it's a lie. 787 00:38:19,088 --> 00:38:21,859 Why did he not feed anyone else champagne and coke? 788 00:38:21,883 --> 00:38:24,361 Why are you the magical, mythical creature 789 00:38:24,385 --> 00:38:26,197 that he decided to trap?" 790 00:38:26,221 --> 00:38:27,781 But I think in her own mind, 791 00:38:27,805 --> 00:38:29,783 I think she believes this. That's the scary part. 792 00:38:29,807 --> 00:38:32,828 I think she really believes that she was forced to do it. 793 00:38:32,852 --> 00:38:35,122 But then I go, "If it was that bad, 794 00:38:35,146 --> 00:38:37,416 why are you using your fake name? 795 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,169 Go back to Nora Kuzma from Steubenville, Ohio, 796 00:38:40,193 --> 00:38:41,962 where no one gives a shit about you." 797 00:38:41,986 --> 00:38:44,715 {\an8}-The book continued to fuel the mystery at the center 798 00:38:44,739 --> 00:38:46,217 {\an8}of the Traci Lord story 799 00:38:46,241 --> 00:38:48,969 {\an8}and prompted Larry King to ask the key question. 800 00:38:48,993 --> 00:38:50,554 {\an8}-Why the FBI raid? 801 00:38:50,578 --> 00:38:54,141 {\an8}-I don't know if it started from the initial reports 802 00:38:54,165 --> 00:38:57,144 {\an8}that my mother made of me as a runaway or if they... 803 00:38:57,168 --> 00:39:00,648 {\an8}how exactly they received the information that they did. 804 00:39:00,672 --> 00:39:03,150 {\an8}I don't know that I'll ever know the answer to that. 805 00:39:03,174 --> 00:39:05,402 -The book presents a few theories. 806 00:39:05,426 --> 00:39:07,029 A jilted ex-boyfriend 807 00:39:07,053 --> 00:39:09,490 or a politically motivated investigation. 808 00:39:09,514 --> 00:39:11,825 {\an8}-There's a lot of people who believe that she was 809 00:39:11,849 --> 00:39:13,327 {\an8}the one that tipped off the feds 810 00:39:13,351 --> 00:39:14,995 {\an8}to the fact that she was underage. 811 00:39:15,019 --> 00:39:17,998 -One piece of speculation was that Traci herself 812 00:39:18,022 --> 00:39:19,583 had tipped off the authorities 813 00:39:19,607 --> 00:39:22,670 to increase the royalties on that one legal tape. 814 00:39:22,694 --> 00:39:26,489 -In her book, Traci seems to roll her eyes at this notion. 815 00:39:34,247 --> 00:39:37,476 -She's obviously never admitted to that. 816 00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:41,105 That would be an incredibly... 817 00:39:41,129 --> 00:39:44,316 I mean, for someone that young, 818 00:39:44,340 --> 00:39:47,736 that would be a pretty... That's a long game. 819 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,488 So who knows? 820 00:39:49,512 --> 00:39:53,284 Ultimately, this is kind of like one of those great mysteries 821 00:39:53,308 --> 00:39:55,494 that I feel like we'll never fully know. 822 00:39:55,518 --> 00:39:58,872 Only Traci is going to ever really know that answer. 823 00:39:58,896 --> 00:40:00,416 -She got away with... 824 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,210 She... She had the perfect pornography career. 825 00:40:03,234 --> 00:40:06,630 {\an8}She did a thousand films and none of them were released. 826 00:40:06,654 --> 00:40:09,216 {\an8}[ Chuckles ] I wish that was my fate. 827 00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:12,595 Everything I've ever done, every ugly moment in my life, 828 00:40:12,619 --> 00:40:16,223 is there for all to see. Please enjoy yourself. 829 00:40:16,247 --> 00:40:21,228 {\an8}-In the long run, it was good. It made everybody conscious 830 00:40:21,252 --> 00:40:23,814 {\an8}of getting the IDs, which nobody did, 831 00:40:23,838 --> 00:40:26,150 everybody was really sloppy about. 832 00:40:26,174 --> 00:40:29,903 So it changed the industry for the better. 833 00:40:29,927 --> 00:40:31,488 -Since the Traci Lords scandal, 834 00:40:31,512 --> 00:40:33,616 there was one other significant instance 835 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,035 of a performer discovered to be underage 836 00:40:36,059 --> 00:40:38,412 in the mainstream adult film industry. 837 00:40:38,436 --> 00:40:41,332 Alexandra Quinn, a Canadian performer 838 00:40:41,356 --> 00:40:44,418 who came to the US with a falsified passport. 839 00:40:44,442 --> 00:40:47,588 When her true age was discovered in 1991, 840 00:40:47,612 --> 00:40:49,965 her previous movies were all destroyed. 841 00:40:49,989 --> 00:40:52,176 -Take two. 842 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:53,677 -I can tell you now, 843 00:40:53,701 --> 00:40:56,889 we need two forms of government issued ID. 844 00:40:56,913 --> 00:40:58,599 One of them has to be a photo ID. 845 00:40:58,623 --> 00:40:59,933 None of them can be expired. 846 00:40:59,957 --> 00:41:02,519 You also have to fill out a 2257 form, 847 00:41:02,543 --> 00:41:04,355 where you sign that you are of age, 848 00:41:04,379 --> 00:41:06,440 put in all your details, your Social Security number, 849 00:41:06,464 --> 00:41:09,276 all that kind of stuff, as well as the model release. 850 00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:10,944 We take photos of your IDs. 851 00:41:10,968 --> 00:41:14,239 We take photos of you holding the IDs up to your face. 852 00:41:14,263 --> 00:41:16,700 We take a video of you holding these IDs 853 00:41:16,724 --> 00:41:18,535 up to your face saying, "This is who I am. 854 00:41:18,559 --> 00:41:21,622 This is how old I am. I want to be here today. 855 00:41:21,646 --> 00:41:24,333 I am not under the influence of drugs or alcohol. 856 00:41:24,357 --> 00:41:26,877 I know what I'm doing. I'm of sound mind." 857 00:41:26,901 --> 00:41:29,213 We take a video after the scene 858 00:41:29,237 --> 00:41:32,257 where you say, "Everything went fine today." 859 00:41:32,281 --> 00:41:34,009 Assuming, of course, that it did. 860 00:41:34,033 --> 00:41:38,305 "I still am not on drugs, and here is my check. 861 00:41:38,329 --> 00:41:41,725 I was paid and I'm happy and I'm going home." 862 00:41:41,749 --> 00:41:45,479 -Recently, Traci began appearing in the web series "EastSiders", 863 00:41:45,503 --> 00:41:49,358 playing against type in the role of a prudish mother. 864 00:41:49,382 --> 00:41:53,529 - I love you, honey. - Love you too. 865 00:41:53,553 --> 00:41:56,156 -Keep your pants on and your wits about you. Goodbye. 866 00:41:56,180 --> 00:41:58,492 -I still love Traci. 867 00:41:58,516 --> 00:42:02,287 I mean, I forgive her for all the troubles she's caused, 868 00:42:02,311 --> 00:42:04,373 but trouble's her middle name. 869 00:42:04,397 --> 00:42:07,876 -So far, Ginger and Christy haven't forgiven Traci, 870 00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:11,213 but they have maintained a close friendship throughout the years. 871 00:42:11,237 --> 00:42:14,091 {\an8}-We've been friends now for nearly 40 years. 872 00:42:14,115 --> 00:42:16,260 {\an8}I talked to Christy two or three times a day. 873 00:42:16,284 --> 00:42:18,679 We never run out of things to say. 874 00:42:18,703 --> 00:42:22,850 We set up last night and talked for like 4 hours straight. 875 00:42:22,874 --> 00:42:24,518 You'd think that we would run out of stuff, 876 00:42:24,542 --> 00:42:27,688 but we still don't. There's just a bond 877 00:42:27,712 --> 00:42:30,107 and something special about our friendship 878 00:42:30,131 --> 00:42:31,900 that I've never had with anyone before. 879 00:42:31,924 --> 00:42:36,071 {\an8}-I haven't seen this movie since we filmed it. 880 00:42:36,095 --> 00:42:38,240 -Did you miss me? I missed you. 881 00:42:38,264 --> 00:42:40,367 - Is that you? Oh, my God. - [ Laughs ] 882 00:42:40,391 --> 00:42:42,327 -That's me. Look at my hair. 883 00:42:42,351 --> 00:42:43,662 - That was the style. - Oh, my God. 884 00:42:43,686 --> 00:42:45,372 You just popped in. 885 00:42:45,396 --> 00:42:48,208 -See, I thought... in my memory, I did the Jeannie move. 886 00:42:48,232 --> 00:42:50,878 -I was such a co-star. We had the best of everything. 887 00:42:50,902 --> 00:42:54,214 Made the best dancing days. We had the best video days. 888 00:42:54,238 --> 00:42:58,135 What an amazing journey we've had together. 889 00:42:58,159 --> 00:42:59,762 -I love how everybody just coupled up. 890 00:42:59,786 --> 00:43:01,722 Boom, boom. - Me, too. And you got me. 891 00:43:01,746 --> 00:43:03,348 -And I got you. 892 00:43:03,372 --> 00:43:05,601 -What would I say to Traci? 893 00:43:05,625 --> 00:43:10,189 {\an8}I would say, "You probably had a pretty hard life, 894 00:43:10,213 --> 00:43:11,565 {\an8}and I'm sure that you had reasons 895 00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:13,025 {\an8}for doing what you did, 896 00:43:13,049 --> 00:43:15,778 and you were underage, 897 00:43:15,802 --> 00:43:19,114 and I'm sure that you didn't go into it 898 00:43:19,138 --> 00:43:21,366 with the intention of hurting people 899 00:43:21,390 --> 00:43:23,285 in the way that you could have. 900 00:43:23,309 --> 00:43:26,580 So I forgive you." 901 00:43:26,604 --> 00:43:29,416 -Years after the scandal, Traci told Larry King 902 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,794 how she turned the pain from her traumatic journey 903 00:43:31,818 --> 00:43:34,463 through the porn business into something good, 904 00:43:34,487 --> 00:43:36,256 by working with an organization 905 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,926 to get child prostitutes off the streets 906 00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:40,469 and into a stable environment. 907 00:43:40,493 --> 00:43:42,721 {\an8}-But these girls, they're all Traci Lords. 908 00:43:42,745 --> 00:43:45,641 {\an8}You know, they all have been molested in some way or another. 909 00:43:45,665 --> 00:43:48,602 {\an8}But the one thing that they have all said to me is, 910 00:43:48,626 --> 00:43:51,605 {\an8}"Wow, you're okay now." That's their dream. 911 00:43:51,629 --> 00:43:53,732 {\an8}You know how some people aspire to go to Harvard 912 00:43:53,756 --> 00:43:55,567 {\an8}or "When I... When I grow up, I'm going to be a doctor. 913 00:43:55,591 --> 00:43:56,819 {\an8}I'm going to be this. When I grow up, 914 00:43:56,843 --> 00:43:58,028 {\an8}I'm going to be okay. 915 00:43:58,052 --> 00:44:06,052 {\an8}♪♪ 75738

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