All language subtitles for The.Co-Ed.Killer.Mind.Of.A.Monster.S01E01.Part1.1080p.AMZN.WEB-DL.DD2.0.H.264-Cinefeel[eztv.re]_Track03

[Ed Kemper speaking]

[reporter] The sight
of Edmund Emil Kemper III

is an awesome experience
in itself.

He stands six feet
nine inches tall,

and weighs about 280 pounds,

but the crimes with which
he's been charged
are even more awesome.

My dad was the first
psychiatrist to speak
with Kemper.

I have the original tapes
that he did

when he was interviewing
Kemper in jail,
prior to his trial.

The defense attorneys
asked him to go see him

and determine
if he was sane or not,
when he committed his crimes.

Since 1973, I don't believe
anybody has ever heard
these tapes.

[Ed Kemper speaking]

So these are some artifacts
that have been in storage
for decades...

and what I have on top here
is a courtroom rendering
of my dad,

when he was testifying.

And as a young kid,
I used to sit with the artist
that would do these sketches.

I'm Monty Lunde.

I'm the eldest son
of Donald T. Lunde.

He was a psychiatrist involved
in the Ed Kemper trial.

This is a picture of my dad
in his office,

with the five of us kids,

around the time that he was
working on the Kemper case.

I've actually got a photo
of me and my dad.

This was taken in 1973.

He looks very young.

I mean, to the day he died,
I don't think he ever had
a gray hair.

You know,
he's five foot eight.

He was not a...
a very imposing person,

unless you started
to debate him.

Don't ever get
in a debate with him.

I learned that early on.

And I believe he was the
youngest associate professor
at Stanford University.

At that time,
he took me to jail

when he was
interviewing Ed Kemper.

And so, that was quite
an experience for me.

I had to wait
in a waiting area,

but I could still see
the inner workings
of the prison,

could still hear everything.

There was just noise
and clanging of bars,

and people yelling,
and it's a very
chaotic environment.

And my dad went in
and interviewed Ed Kemper

for an hour and a half,
two hours.

[Ed Kemper and Lunde speaking]

You know, he has a dry
sense of humor, my dad does,

and I got a little bit
of that.

You know, when he was talking
about his badge,

and they must have thought
I was an attorney
or something like that.

But, you know, that's the way
he was kind of disarming

and would, you know,
talk to these people
like a normal person...

because he wanted
to build a level of trust
with him.

[men speaking]

I'm looking at two photos
of myself.

I think God.
Boy, was I ever young.

I'm Luita Spangler
and I got my bachelor's
degrees at UC Santa Cruz.

I went to university there
in 1971.

The university itself
had only been running
for six years.

It's like the whole universe
opened up.

I was young and healthy,
and I felt like
I could do anything.

[indistinct chatter]

We were pushing
against the 1950s set,
you know,

that said women go to college
to get a MRS degree.

Okay?
That was the joke, you know.

We didn't get
bachelor's degrees,
we got MRS degrees.

At that time also,
women who went to university
were called co-eds.

Co-ed was basically
a shortening
of co-educational.

It meant that the universities
were taking
both men and women.

But only women
were called co-eds,

and the term co-ed
was sexualized.

I can't tell you the number
of pornography films
that featured the word co-eds,

you know, co-eds in bed,
co-eds get it on.

It was that kind of...

kind of world that we were
seeking to break apart.

The campus itself
is up on a hill.

In fact, one of the things
that they frequently
talked about

was the city on the hill...

and it was outside
of the town itself.

We had to get around.

Many of us had jobs.

We didn't have the money
for cars.

There were buses,

but they had a very limited
time of operation,
so we hitchhiked.

-Hi.
-Come on in.

It was really interesting.
You got to meet people.

You didn't have to pay money,

and as newly
independent women,

feeling our power,
we hitchhiked.

[horn honking]

[men speaking]

My name is Michael Aluffi.

People call me Mickey.

It's a nickname that I got
from my mother many years ago.

I was born and raised here
in Santa Cruz.

In the summer of 1972,

that was about the time
that I was assigned
to the Detective Bureau.

The typical crime
in Santa Cruz
in those days was,

you know, thefts,
disturbances, juvenile issues,
things of that nature.

But in 1972, things started
to break loose.

[men speaking]

We're situated right now
in the Loma Prieta mountains,

and back in 1972,

there were some hikers
that were in this area,

and they found a human skull
off the side of the road.

It had deteriorated
to the point
where it was unidentifiable.

We couldn't tell
if it was a male or female.

It's a shocking discovery
to find a human head
without a body attached to it.

What sort of animal
can do something like that
to a human being?

We searched the area
for remains and did...
could not locate anything.

We had no... nothing to go on,
as far as recognition.

We didn't have any
missing person reports.

It was just so limiting,
you really couldn't do
a heck of a lot.

[Ed Kemper speaking]

[Mickey] The person
who did it, obviously is still
on the loose,

so we didn't know exactly
what's going to transpire.

But, it was the beginning
of a nightmare
for Santa Cruz County.

[men speaking]

I have another tape here
that is Allyn Burke,

which is Kemper's
younger sister.

My dad always found
it was good to get, kind of,
corroborating information,

so he reached out
to Kemper's younger sister

to understand what caused him
to be who he is,
or who he was,

and asked if he could
interview her, and she...
she accepted.

[man 2 and Allyn speaking]

[Katherine] I'm Dr. Katherine
Ramsland, and I teach
forensic psychology.

And for 25 years, I've been
writing on mass murderers
and serial killers.

I've studied Ed Kemper,
and I had a brief
correspondence

with him as well.

Edmund Kemper was born
on December 18, 1948
in Burbank, California.

He had a sister
who was five years older
than him,

and Allyn, two years younger,
so he was the middle child.

Apparently, his father,
Edmund Jr.
was kind of a weak man

and Clarnell, his mother,
was the dominant influence.

His father
was a World War II veteran,

who became an electrician
at Pacific Proving Grounds,
working with atomic energy.

And he famously made
the statement

that working
with atomic energy

was far preferable
to being around Clarnell.

[Allyn and Lunde speaking]

Clarnell and her husband,
both had been
disciplinarians...

not showing much affection...

which wasn't really
that unusual for the 1950s,

but it did affect
the children.

In Ed Kemper's case,
he loses his sense
of self-esteem

and sense of confidence...

and that became worse
when his father
divorced his mother.

That made the sense
of rejection even stronger.

[Tom]
Santa Cruz in the early '70s
was an area of peace and love,

and it was kind
of the Age of Aquarius.

People were feeling free
and happy...

and for somebody like me,
at 24 years old,
it was a lot of fun.

My name is Tom Honig.

I was a reporter
at the Santa Cruz Sentinel
in the early 1970s.

I was the cub reporter hired
to do what was traditionally
the beginning newsbeat,

which was police and courts.

Little did I know
that the police beat

was gonna be the biggest beat
on the newspaper,

because all of a sudden,
out of nowhere,

they found a skull up
in the mountains
near Loma Prieta.

The sheriff's office
didn't have hardly
any homicides in those days.

So we did not have a whole lot
of experience
in doing this sort of thing.

I was the brand new detective
at the time.

And so, it suddenly
became my case.

Sometimes, you challenge
yourself, you know,
am I up for this?

There was one computer
for the sheriff's office,
which was in the basement.

It was a very
antiquated system,

but I could do an inquiry,

I could go into the computer

find somebody's
criminal history
that sort of thing.

[reporter] Evidence in crimes
of violence,

such as this bloody garment,
is examined by an expert

from the Hairs and Fibers
unit of the laboratory.

[Paul]
We had no DNA in that period.

And, in fact, a lot of times,

we refer to this
as the golden age
of criminalistics.

And the reason we do that
is we used all sorts
of other technology

to do our work.

Microscopes,
the fingerprint work,
and that type of thing.

From the head, you can
reconstruct what the person
looked like on the skull.

But Santa Cruz County
is a coastal county.

It tends to be warm
in the summer,

so you would get
a fairly fast decomposition.

So within, say,
perhaps, six weeks
to a couple of months,

most of the flesh
should be gone.

But with the recovery
of a good skull, you get age,
you can get a...

whether it's male
or female, usually.

But the teeth, obviously,
are crucial.

[Mickey] We access the files
in the state computer
for missing persons.

They also will include
dental charts.

So, we got those
dental charts,

compared them to the one
that we had from the skull,

and it was the head
of Mary Ann Pesce,

who was a student
out of Fresno.

When they identified her,
all I had ever seen
was a photo of her.

She seemed like a very
attractive young woman,

and the thought came up,

"How in the world
would this happen?"

Well, my name is Terry Medina,

and my partner
was Mickey Aluffi.

We shared an office together,
and we were good friends.

We worked a lot of cases
together.

Mary Ann Pesce
was reported missing

with her best friend
Anita Luchessa.

Both disappeared
from the Alameda County area.

Both were students.

The detectives in Alameda
came up with a person

that saw them
getting into a car.

And that's about as far as
we got at that time
with those two cases.

[men speaking]

[Katherine]
In 1957, Clarnell got a job
in Helena, Montana,

so she is going to raise
the three children
as a single mother...

and this is the point at which
the kids now have to adjust

to a whole new place
of living...

and Ed begins
to create bizarre games
that they would play.

These activities turned up
in some of Lunde's interviews

with the younger sister Allyn.

[Allyn speaking]

He's begun to think
about death stories
and death images.

[Allyn and Lunde speaking]

That his fantasies
would become death fantasies
is really not surprising,

because that's really
a fantasy
of total control over others.

[Allyn and Lunde speaking]

We do see animal cruelty
in the past of many
serial killers,

especially
if that serial killer
then goes on

to target women or girls.

So, this is a memory box
in memory of Aiko.

It's a clipping
from a newspaper article

when we performed for UN Day
at Lake Merritt in Oakland.

So, I met Aiko when I was
about 12 years old.

I met her through
our Korean dance classes
in San Francisco.

We were both only children,

being raised
by single mothers.

We were almost like sisters...

and like any
12-year old girls,

we just non-stop talking.

It was a non-stop
conversation.

This is a diary that I kept
when I was a teenager,

and I'm actually sharing this
for the first time.

I haven't actually looked
at this diary for many years.

"Today Aiko called me
and we went up
to the Berkeley UC campus

to feed the squirrels.

Last night we ate fudge
and did a drip candle."

"March 11, 1972, met Aiko.

She's really changed."

This is the last entry of Aiko
in my diary.

The last time I saw Aiko,
I was waiting for the bus...

and across the street,
I saw Aiko.

I was all excited,
because I hadn't seen her
for a while.

And then,
as I was looking at her,
she put her thumb out.

She was gonna hitchhike

and I just was in shock.

We were only 15 years old.

Oh, my goodness.

And I was waving
to get her attention.

She didn't see me
because all the cars,
it's a busy street.

My bus shows up...

and I get on the bus.

[men speaking]

[Mickey]
I had heard at some point

from Berkeley
Police Department

that they were missing
a young Asian girl.

They would have done
the same thing

that we would do
with missing persons
in those days...

they could have treated it
as a kidnapping

if there were more evidence
that that had occurred.

But at that point,
they felt it was just
a runaway juvenile.

[Terry] There were so many
runaways

that were being reported
missing by their parents.

They weren't missing
with suspicious circumstances
necessarily.

The parents were just saying,
"My kid is gone."

Now, the difference here
is Aiko Koo.

Because her mom
knew she was supposed to be
at a dance studio,

knew what bus
she was supposed to take.

She never showed up
at that dance studio.

And her memory, kind of, faded
into the missing person files.

[Hazel]
I know that Mrs. Koo, her mom,
had put posters out,

trying to get the community
to look out for Aiko.

"Have you seen her,
get in contact with her?"

You know,
Aiko was all she, you know,

was so much of her life...

and I... I can only imagine
her heart was just, you know,

breaking, trying to find out
what happened to her girl.

[Ed Kemper speaking]

I read the newspaper article
the following week,

and it had Aiko's picture
on it.

And then I thought to myself,
"Oh, God, Hazel.

Maybe...

Maybe you should have
just missed the bus.

Maybe you should have
just ran over
and tried to talk to her."

[Ed Kemper and Lunde speaking]

She was truly a bright star...

she was gonna be somebody,

she was going to do things,
and...

she was just truly
a lovely individual.

When Clarnell took her
children to Montana,

she was faced with having
to divvy up bedrooms.

She gave her two daughters
their own bedroom,

and there was a room
in the basement

that she, apparently,
thought would work
for a 9-year-old boy.

He began to think
that he'd been relegated

to this dungeon,
cave-like place.

[Lunde and Allyn speaking]

This young boy is growing up
with the feeling
that he's the rejected child,

the unwanted child,
and his anger began to simmer.

[Kemper and Lunde speaking]

[Katherine]
Ed didn't want to live
with his mother anymore.

So in the fall of 1963,

he got on a bus
and went down to California,

to find his father
and reconnect.

His father had a glamorous
new wife Elfriede

and Elfriede found Ed to be,
kind of, creepy.

[Ed Kemper speaking]

And there's a story
that at one point,

he glimpsed her undressed
in the bedroom,

and after that,
she just wanted him out
of the house.

[Allyn speaking]

Friede was not going to put up
with this boy living
with them.

So Ed's father decides
during Christmas,

to take Ed to see
his parents...

who have this sort of isolated
ranch or farm in North Fork,
California,

about 250 miles away...

supposedly for a visit
for the holidays.

And then, when dad left,
he left his son there
with them.

Essentially he had duped him.

He tricked him into going,
and Ed had no way of leaving.

He is now living an isolated,
lonely life

with no sense
of what should he do,
where should he go from here?

[men speaking]

We would talk
to a lot of the people

who are actually hitchhiking,

we tell them what the risk is,
and try to encourage them
to not do that.

Of course,
people were alarmed,

but we're not getting
very much information
from the police,

other than these general,
don't go hitchhiking,

don't walk in the woods,
don't go into deserted
neighborhoods,

you know,
these lists of don'ts.

This was not gonna happen.

The people, basically,
ignored the advice.

It's a...
it's a harassment campaign
to stop hitchhiking.

They just didn't...

they just didn't wanna do
what the police
were telling them to do.

You know, ultimately,
we didn't trust the police,

but they probably
didn't trust us either...

because we were busy
organizing anti-Vietnam war
demonstrations.

So, there was mutual distrust
on both sides.

The community were thinking
that it must be an outsider,

or some kind of
an outside cult
that invaded the county...

some commune hippie cult
that had something to do
with these murders.

But as time went along,
we kind of rejected that.

We thought the suspect
has to know this area
pretty well,

including the backwoods.

So, we were thinking somebody
local at that time.

We're always looking
for a break in a case.

I believed we would get one.

I just prayed to God
that we could do it

before any more people
were murdered.

[David] I was about 14 years
old when a new kid moved
in next door to us,

and his name was Ed Kemper.

I lived for a while
in this house,

it was in slightly
better condition

but the house up on the hill
was where I was living in
at that time.

Ed was living
with his grandmother, Maude,

and his grandfather here
in this house.

The grandmother wrote stories
for children
and granddad was retired.

Ed and I
were in the same class.

We were both freshmen
at a regional high school.

Me being the shortest and him
being probably the tallest,
I'd always joke about,

"Well, if you pick on me,
you're going to have
to deal with Ed."

We would joke around,
about stuff like that.

He seemed to be
getting along well
with people.

He was quiet and he was new
to a rural community,

which would be a big change
for anybody.

[men speaking]

Yeah, August 27th, '64.

Ed's grandfather
was out buying groceries...

and Ed was in the kitchen
with his grandmother...

who was working on the proofs
for one of her books.

He picked up his rifle,
called the dog,

he was gonna go out
and she yelled after him,
"Don't shoot the birds."

[David]
We got a knock on the door
and it was Kip Haring

a deputy sheriff,

and he was inquiring
about where the Kempers lived.

And I remember being struck
by how nervous he seemed.

He was smoking a cigarette,
and he seemed
very, very anxious.

We had no idea,

but it seems
like it must be serious

if the deputy sheriff
was responding to it.

[gunshot]

[Ed Kemper speaking]

He talked later about the fact

that he, kind of, lost control
of his body,
he kind of blacked out.

And then he heard
his grandfather

getting groceries
out of the car...

so he decided,
in a split moment...

to just kill grandfather, too.

[Ed Kemper and Lunde speaking]

It was just like, "What?
I can't believe that."

A lot of other kids
I went to school with,

I had figured as murderers,
but not him.

He would, probably,
not have had any sense
of the enormity

of what he's done
as a 15-year-old

committing a double homicide.

But he certainly would know
things are going to change.

He knows
this is a turning point.