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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,890 In 1988, the American's body was found at the... 2 00:00:22,956 --> 00:00:25,393 Johnson's naked body was found at the base... 3 00:00:25,459 --> 00:00:27,328 Scott Johnson's family, 4 00:00:27,394 --> 00:00:30,697 the path to this point has been long and painful. 5 00:00:41,208 --> 00:00:42,742 - Little nervous. 6 00:00:53,420 --> 00:00:54,721 Our hotel room 7 00:00:54,788 --> 00:00:59,326 has a perfect view to the cliff where Scott died. 8 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:04,064 This view is... momentous. 9 00:01:11,872 --> 00:01:17,344 For 30 years, this mystery about what happened to my brother 10 00:01:17,410 --> 00:01:20,347 was this bottled-up question mark. 11 00:01:21,481 --> 00:01:24,484 It was a meteor crashing into my life. 12 00:01:34,661 --> 00:01:37,163 - Good morning. We'll call the matter for judgment, please. 13 00:01:37,764 --> 00:01:42,169 Had he lived, Scott Johnson would've celebrated his 60th birthday 14 00:01:42,236 --> 00:01:44,271 in November last year. 15 00:01:45,573 --> 00:01:47,474 Because of the actions of the offender, 16 00:01:47,540 --> 00:01:51,678 Dr. Johnson's life was cut short at the age of 27 17 00:01:51,745 --> 00:01:55,382 at a time when having already completed the work required 18 00:01:55,449 --> 00:01:57,851 for the award of a doctorate in mathematics, 19 00:01:57,918 --> 00:02:02,523 he was on the verge of what is likely to have been an extraordinary career. 20 00:02:03,157 --> 00:02:05,825 He is described as a brilliant mathematician 21 00:02:05,892 --> 00:02:08,929 whose hard work and incandescent intelligence 22 00:02:08,996 --> 00:02:13,133 led him to solve three significant mathematical problems. 23 00:02:13,199 --> 00:02:16,169 With Dr. Johnson's death, the world lost a mind 24 00:02:16,236 --> 00:02:20,340 ready to contribute substantially to its advancement. 25 00:02:29,416 --> 00:02:30,927 There are people you expect 26 00:02:30,951 --> 00:02:33,720 to always be there in your life, 27 00:02:33,787 --> 00:02:38,491 and you don't really necessarily know who you are without them. 28 00:02:40,961 --> 00:02:44,664 Definitely, Uncle Scott was one of those people for my dad. 29 00:03:17,063 --> 00:03:19,432 Can't look at that drop 30 00:03:19,499 --> 00:03:22,769 without thinking of Scott and 31 00:03:24,805 --> 00:03:28,108 the terror he went through for the couple of seconds 32 00:03:29,776 --> 00:03:31,611 that it took him to fall. 33 00:03:37,450 --> 00:03:39,486 Did he trip? Was he pushed? 34 00:03:40,987 --> 00:03:43,023 Did he kill himself? 35 00:03:46,026 --> 00:03:49,596 You know, I had a blizzard of questions. 36 00:04:10,284 --> 00:04:12,553 And there's no way to undo it. 37 00:04:12,620 --> 00:04:14,154 We tried. 38 00:05:09,276 --> 00:05:14,648 So... there are 20 times more, um, where this came from. 39 00:05:15,215 --> 00:05:19,719 This is Scott and me... and the Matterhorn. 40 00:05:21,122 --> 00:05:24,190 Scott's CV, all of his 41 00:05:24,257 --> 00:05:27,861 grade point averages are near perfect. 42 00:05:28,495 --> 00:05:32,198 His publications, there is a lot, yes. 43 00:05:32,967 --> 00:05:34,434 This was the computer program 44 00:05:34,501 --> 00:05:38,005 that resulted in pictures of the surface of Venus. 45 00:05:38,071 --> 00:05:40,574 These are mathematical scattering laws, who knew? 46 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,108 We made these in 2013. 47 00:05:42,175 --> 00:05:45,545 We knew that it could only be solved if people came forward. 48 00:05:46,313 --> 00:05:48,081 "Hunting a Killer." 49 00:05:48,849 --> 00:05:53,253 Way back at the beginning, we had no clues, no suspects. 50 00:05:54,254 --> 00:05:58,258 And we were really fitting each puzzle piece in as we got them. 51 00:06:00,094 --> 00:06:02,596 This is the... his death certificate. 52 00:06:02,663 --> 00:06:07,601 "Died of effects of multiple injuries, sustained when he jumped." 53 00:06:08,435 --> 00:06:10,604 I think we should have that updated. 54 00:06:11,138 --> 00:06:15,175 It was a living hell wondering 55 00:06:16,109 --> 00:06:20,347 and there was always, always a possibility that he did kill himself. 56 00:06:21,448 --> 00:06:27,621 So yeah, it was very hard... to... l-land on solid ground ever. 57 00:06:28,389 --> 00:06:30,657 This was pretty emotional. 58 00:06:30,724 --> 00:06:35,429 When this came to me, I think was the deepest, longest cry. 59 00:06:41,835 --> 00:06:43,203 Here's a good one. 60 00:06:44,671 --> 00:06:47,240 So, this is in 1964. 61 00:06:47,307 --> 00:06:50,710 Scott, Steve, Terry, Pismo Beach. 62 00:06:52,679 --> 00:06:55,549 He was beautiful. 63 00:07:05,092 --> 00:07:07,961 So, we grew up in Southern California. 64 00:07:08,261 --> 00:07:11,998 Scott, my sister, and I were born to very young parents. 65 00:07:12,065 --> 00:07:15,169 My mom had my sister when she was 18, 66 00:07:15,235 --> 00:07:19,105 and me when she was 19, and Scott when she was 21. 67 00:07:21,241 --> 00:07:24,645 She met my dad when he was popping popcorn 68 00:07:24,712 --> 00:07:27,447 in a Los Angeles movie theater. 69 00:07:28,148 --> 00:07:31,185 They eloped and she had my sister shortly after. 70 00:07:31,251 --> 00:07:33,163 There were times when we were younger, 71 00:07:33,187 --> 00:07:35,389 that we all shared one room. 72 00:07:36,157 --> 00:07:39,259 Dad put together a three-tiered bunk bed. 73 00:07:39,727 --> 00:07:41,529 I was on the top bunk. 74 00:07:41,595 --> 00:07:46,466 Was the farthest away from any spankings that might've happened. 75 00:07:48,368 --> 00:07:52,305 My sister and I think of our childhood in two parts. 76 00:07:53,307 --> 00:07:55,609 There was before divorce 77 00:07:56,110 --> 00:07:57,811 and after divorce. 78 00:08:00,147 --> 00:08:04,518 When I was 10, my dad, essentially, disappeared. 79 00:08:05,419 --> 00:08:09,924 He didn't send child support, he didn't talk to us. 80 00:08:09,990 --> 00:08:13,193 Mom had to be the sole breadwinner 81 00:08:13,260 --> 00:08:16,497 with no work experience to speak of. 82 00:08:17,498 --> 00:08:21,601 It was extremely difficult for her to pay the bills. 83 00:08:21,668 --> 00:08:24,537 So, between me and Scott, we had three paper routes. 84 00:08:24,604 --> 00:08:27,975 We'd get up at 3:00 in the morning and deliver papers, 85 00:08:28,042 --> 00:08:30,010 and we'd go to school, and then we'd get home 86 00:08:30,076 --> 00:08:32,046 and deliver papers again. 87 00:08:32,113 --> 00:08:37,450 So there was tension in the house, and Scott and I glued ourselves together. 88 00:08:38,451 --> 00:08:41,121 We kinda lived in a fantasy world. 89 00:08:41,187 --> 00:08:43,757 We were enamored with superheroes, 90 00:08:43,823 --> 00:08:45,593 and so, we made up our own. 91 00:08:45,659 --> 00:08:48,395 We were Flyman and Bosco. 92 00:08:49,363 --> 00:08:52,165 Wow, this is much younger. 93 00:08:55,135 --> 00:08:57,571 When Scott reached kindergarten, 94 00:08:57,638 --> 00:09:01,541 he came home with a note attached to his shirt 95 00:09:01,608 --> 00:09:04,044 saying that the teacher wanted to talk to my parents, 96 00:09:04,111 --> 00:09:05,679 and they were, were kinda proud 97 00:09:05,745 --> 00:09:08,382 and they had the conference with the teacher 98 00:09:08,449 --> 00:09:13,821 and she wondered why they had sent their mentally retarded son 99 00:09:13,888 --> 00:09:17,157 to a school with normal kids. 100 00:09:17,224 --> 00:09:19,159 Because Scott was so awkward 101 00:09:19,226 --> 00:09:21,328 and he wasn't that interested in tying his shoes, 102 00:09:21,395 --> 00:09:23,964 so the teacher thought he didn't know how to tie his shoes. 103 00:09:24,030 --> 00:09:26,800 He wore his sweater around his neck instead of putting it on. 104 00:09:26,867 --> 00:09:29,336 That's because he liked it to be a cape. 105 00:09:29,637 --> 00:09:33,207 And teacher didn't have any idea of what, 106 00:09:33,274 --> 00:09:35,242 uh, was really going on with my brother. 107 00:09:35,308 --> 00:09:39,512 Um, he was quite a bit more brilliant than they had imagined. 108 00:09:42,416 --> 00:09:46,620 Eventually, my mom found a man who moved in with us. 109 00:09:46,687 --> 00:09:52,459 He was an alcoholic, and was very rough with me and Scott. 110 00:09:52,526 --> 00:09:55,763 We were a little too girly for, for him. 111 00:09:55,829 --> 00:09:58,431 You need to act like a man. 112 00:10:00,667 --> 00:10:06,707 And it was sending Scott into a spiral of depression, 113 00:10:07,074 --> 00:10:12,445 feeling bad about himself, and feeling kind of afraid and gloomy. 114 00:10:13,980 --> 00:10:18,652 When it finally culminated into a kind of a volcanic argument 115 00:10:18,719 --> 00:10:21,454 between me and the boyfriend, 116 00:10:21,521 --> 00:10:24,991 my mom asked me to leave, and when I left the house, 117 00:10:25,058 --> 00:10:31,464 Scott was sorta stranded with this man that really cast a shadow on him. 118 00:10:33,167 --> 00:10:35,302 But, you know, once he got into high school, 119 00:10:35,368 --> 00:10:38,506 Scott started showing his genius. 120 00:10:38,572 --> 00:10:42,109 I remember one time Mom had a pickup truck with a camper shell on it. 121 00:10:42,176 --> 00:10:45,012 The boys were sitting on either side of me 122 00:10:45,079 --> 00:10:47,480 talking about the theory of relativity, 123 00:10:47,547 --> 00:10:49,082 and I'm like... 124 00:10:50,417 --> 00:10:53,854 I couldn't even get involved with the conversation. 125 00:10:54,221 --> 00:10:57,157 So, that was a good indicator for me. 126 00:10:57,891 --> 00:10:59,593 He ended up going to Caltech, 127 00:10:59,659 --> 00:11:03,764 which is probably the hardest college in America to get into. 128 00:11:03,831 --> 00:11:06,766 And Scott found it easy. 129 00:11:11,538 --> 00:11:14,441 It was like a new world for him and a new life for him. 130 00:11:14,508 --> 00:11:18,945 He went from this place where he was constantly in trouble 131 00:11:19,012 --> 00:11:20,481 for not doing his chores 132 00:11:20,548 --> 00:11:23,817 to the place where everyone idolized him. 133 00:11:26,820 --> 00:11:30,858 So, lucky for me, Caltech was just a few miles from USC 134 00:11:30,925 --> 00:11:32,292 where I was at college. 135 00:11:32,359 --> 00:11:34,662 So we got to spend a lot of time together. 136 00:11:35,062 --> 00:11:36,830 Uh, we liked to hike together. 137 00:11:38,098 --> 00:11:41,234 Both of us were very shy. We were quite nerdy. 138 00:11:44,771 --> 00:11:46,740 When Steve and I met, 139 00:11:46,807 --> 00:11:48,508 I was 18 and he was 19, 140 00:11:48,575 --> 00:11:51,312 and Steve and Scott would get together and do things. 141 00:11:51,378 --> 00:11:54,681 So, it wasn't like a package deal, I wouldn't say that, 142 00:11:54,748 --> 00:11:57,450 but Scott was around us a lot. 143 00:11:59,086 --> 00:12:01,054 Shy just doesn't describe Scott. 144 00:12:01,121 --> 00:12:05,292 I just have to tell you that he couldn't order at a restaurant. 145 00:12:05,359 --> 00:12:07,461 He had such difficulty. 146 00:12:07,527 --> 00:12:09,496 But everything that we did, he was game to do, 147 00:12:09,563 --> 00:12:12,032 and we had a fun time and we laughed, and I thought, 148 00:12:12,099 --> 00:12:13,801 "Wow... I like this kid." 149 00:12:13,868 --> 00:12:17,037 You know, I mean, I was only two years older than he was, 150 00:12:17,104 --> 00:12:20,541 but I felt older and protective. 151 00:12:20,608 --> 00:12:23,910 And he also, like... Steve has a big personality, 152 00:12:23,977 --> 00:12:27,581 and I could see right away the dynamics in that relationship. 153 00:12:27,647 --> 00:12:32,987 And it was clear that Scott would defer to Steve. 154 00:12:33,053 --> 00:12:37,391 And very often my role, I felt, was to try to bring Scott out, 155 00:12:37,458 --> 00:12:40,628 and say, "No, what do you think," you know, and, "What do you wanna do?" 156 00:12:40,694 --> 00:12:43,797 And make sure that he wasn't just in the background, 157 00:12:43,864 --> 00:12:46,166 like, you know, the Steve and Rose Show. 158 00:12:50,036 --> 00:12:53,006 Not a week goes by that I don't pick up 159 00:12:53,073 --> 00:12:55,743 something that Scott's written or a picture. 160 00:12:55,809 --> 00:12:58,412 So, he's always a presence. 161 00:12:59,046 --> 00:13:03,483 And the unfortunate 30-year journey to find justice for him. 162 00:13:04,050 --> 00:13:05,052 There we go. 163 00:13:05,786 --> 00:13:10,357 The first trip I took out to Colorado to visit my dad after seven years. 164 00:13:10,424 --> 00:13:14,127 This is his baby, Becca, my half-sister. 165 00:13:14,628 --> 00:13:19,599 And I didn't really realize that he started another family. 166 00:13:21,835 --> 00:13:24,071 - I was born in 1977 in Colorado. 167 00:13:24,137 --> 00:13:26,373 Think Terry talks about going on a road trip, 168 00:13:26,439 --> 00:13:29,309 and, like, discovering baby Becca. 169 00:13:32,479 --> 00:13:36,549 Because they're so much older, I just idolized them, 170 00:13:36,616 --> 00:13:41,254 like Steve and Scott would have these stories of these amazing adventures. 171 00:13:41,321 --> 00:13:43,924 They'd be hiking mountains and have some crazy story 172 00:13:43,991 --> 00:13:46,827 about coming down in the dark in a town. 173 00:13:46,894 --> 00:13:49,296 Ugh, I guess we're gonna start crying at the beginning. 174 00:13:49,362 --> 00:13:52,832 Um, Scott, like, definitely 175 00:13:52,899 --> 00:13:55,669 was shy and gentle and quiet, 176 00:13:55,736 --> 00:13:58,171 and that felt really good to me. 177 00:13:58,238 --> 00:14:00,941 - Where are we, Rebecca? - Rebecca is gonna tell us 178 00:14:01,008 --> 00:14:03,377 what... where we are and where we're going. 179 00:14:03,444 --> 00:14:06,146 - Where are we? - I don't know. 180 00:14:06,914 --> 00:14:08,349 He was wonderful, 181 00:14:08,415 --> 00:14:11,651 and I was pretty annoying, I'm pretty sure. 182 00:14:14,955 --> 00:14:18,558 He was also ridiculously smart. 183 00:14:20,261 --> 00:14:22,095 - I got into graduate school at Harvard, 184 00:14:22,162 --> 00:14:28,001 and Scott went straight from Caltech to Cambridge University in England. 185 00:14:29,169 --> 00:14:32,572 And it's the first time in our lives that we're separated. 186 00:14:33,239 --> 00:14:37,211 And he had a gloomy first semester at Cambridge, 187 00:14:37,277 --> 00:14:38,846 but he went on his second semester 188 00:14:38,913 --> 00:14:43,150 and the tone of his phone calls and his letters picked up. 189 00:14:43,651 --> 00:14:46,720 "Dear Rose, I thought I'd take some time out now 190 00:14:46,787 --> 00:14:49,990 "to write you a letter before I go into heavy study mode, 191 00:14:50,057 --> 00:14:52,659 "and have no time left to write anyone. 192 00:14:52,959 --> 00:14:54,662 "Everything happened all at once, 193 00:14:54,729 --> 00:14:58,732 "and I suddenly found myself in the midst of a heavy Cambridge social scene 194 00:14:58,799 --> 00:15:04,037 "going out with all sorts of people and making a few very close friends. 195 00:15:04,104 --> 00:15:06,440 "Second term, I had met Michael Noone 196 00:15:06,507 --> 00:15:11,845 "who's an Australian doing his PhD on 15th-century Spanish music here. 197 00:15:11,912 --> 00:15:15,416 "Maybe it's silly for me to write to you about all this, 198 00:15:15,482 --> 00:15:20,053 "but I've always had difficulty opening up and making friends, 199 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:24,157 so this is quite an important phenomenon for me." 200 00:15:24,758 --> 00:15:27,895 He finished his program at Cambridge, 201 00:15:27,962 --> 00:15:29,563 and came back to LA with me. 202 00:15:29,629 --> 00:15:35,035 And late one night, uh, we were walking around downtown Los Angeles 203 00:15:35,101 --> 00:15:36,570 over in the meatpacking district, 204 00:15:36,637 --> 00:15:40,006 and he's struggling to tell me something 205 00:15:40,073 --> 00:15:43,210 and he's really struggling, and the only thing I could imagine was 206 00:15:43,277 --> 00:15:45,245 he'd got someone pregnant. 207 00:15:45,312 --> 00:15:49,216 And so, I guessed that. I said, "And you got her pregnant?" 208 00:15:49,283 --> 00:15:52,485 And he says, "It wasn't a her. 209 00:15:54,488 --> 00:15:55,689 I'm gay." 210 00:15:57,791 --> 00:15:59,159 And 211 00:16:01,662 --> 00:16:07,601 it... the first impact was this person that I knew better than anybody else, 212 00:16:07,668 --> 00:16:10,170 I didn't know as well as I thought I did. 213 00:16:14,708 --> 00:16:18,111 He came out to both of us, like, individually. 214 00:16:18,813 --> 00:16:20,581 I will say I was nervous. 215 00:16:20,647 --> 00:16:27,020 I wasn't like, "Hooray, Scott's gay," um, because I was scared. 216 00:16:27,087 --> 00:16:28,756 I knew several people who were gay. 217 00:16:28,822 --> 00:16:31,324 I knew people who had been beaten. 218 00:16:32,893 --> 00:16:34,373 Steve and I took a break from dating, 219 00:16:34,428 --> 00:16:38,064 and I dated a man who lived in a house with all gay people. 220 00:16:38,131 --> 00:16:41,035 I had seen people come back to the house bloodied, 221 00:16:41,102 --> 00:16:43,737 and I had heard stories about promiscuity, 222 00:16:43,804 --> 00:16:47,641 and he started going out, like he'd say... he would go out 223 00:16:47,708 --> 00:16:51,812 and we knew he was going out to maybe a bar or something. 224 00:16:51,879 --> 00:16:55,382 I just, literally, thought, "This is not my brother-in-law." 225 00:16:55,449 --> 00:16:58,285 I mean, you know, at the time, I was just thinking like, "Oh, my God." 226 00:16:58,352 --> 00:17:01,521 And I thought he would be an easy target. 227 00:17:02,055 --> 00:17:06,059 The AIDS epidemic was just beginning. 228 00:17:07,695 --> 00:17:11,565 And so, we were really concerned and Scott was really concerned. 229 00:17:12,899 --> 00:17:17,871 - A-I-D-S, AIDS, the most frightening initials in America today. 230 00:17:17,938 --> 00:17:20,073 - Free AIDS literature! 231 00:17:20,140 --> 00:17:22,943 Please learn about the symptoms! 232 00:17:23,477 --> 00:17:25,646 I was kinda naive about the world, 233 00:17:25,712 --> 00:17:29,616 so it didn't really cross my mind that he'd get into trouble. 234 00:17:30,784 --> 00:17:32,953 Or that things could happen. 235 00:17:33,020 --> 00:17:35,656 I was just glad he found someone 236 00:17:35,723 --> 00:17:37,190 that he was happy to be with. 237 00:17:37,491 --> 00:17:41,796 Michael Noone, the man that he fell in love with at Cambridge, 238 00:17:41,862 --> 00:17:44,131 had gone back to Australia. 239 00:17:44,432 --> 00:17:47,334 And he was in love with this man for sure. 240 00:17:47,401 --> 00:17:50,871 So, Scott decided he needed to leave the United States 241 00:17:50,937 --> 00:17:52,506 and move to Australia. 242 00:17:52,573 --> 00:17:56,743 - Yeah, he went that far away. That was hard. 243 00:17:58,612 --> 00:18:03,317 SINGER: ♪♪ We'll sing a song of Canberra, the nation's capital ♪♪ 244 00:18:03,383 --> 00:18:06,086 ♪♪ It's a very pretty city ♪♪ 245 00:18:06,153 --> 00:18:08,255 ♪♪ But it's got no heart at all ♪♪ 246 00:18:08,322 --> 00:18:13,294 ♪♪ You get those bad Canberra blues ♪♪ 247 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:16,463 Canberra was an intimate, small town 248 00:18:16,529 --> 00:18:19,266 with a population of about 200,000 249 00:18:19,333 --> 00:18:22,769 with a very fine university, Australian National University. 250 00:18:22,836 --> 00:18:25,939 And I recall hearing about Scott 251 00:18:26,006 --> 00:18:28,442 about a month at least before he turned up 252 00:18:28,509 --> 00:18:31,945 because given the topics that he was interested in, 253 00:18:32,012 --> 00:18:34,781 given the knowledge of mathematics, which he demonstrated, 254 00:18:34,848 --> 00:18:37,284 he had a high intellect, 255 00:18:37,350 --> 00:18:40,987 an excellent student, probably close to a star. 256 00:18:41,555 --> 00:18:45,792 Was a small group of graduate students in the department. 257 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,429 And one of the interesting features in the 1980s 258 00:18:49,496 --> 00:18:51,598 were that three of us were gay men. 259 00:18:53,133 --> 00:18:55,869 Scott was a reserved person. 260 00:18:55,936 --> 00:19:00,507 Certainly not a loud American, if I can use that expression. 261 00:19:00,574 --> 00:19:03,911 And also, I should point out, that as a mathematician, 262 00:19:03,977 --> 00:19:07,380 definitions matter and the... 263 00:19:07,447 --> 00:19:11,351 On the scale of mathematical behavior, 264 00:19:11,418 --> 00:19:16,289 Scott was, in no sense, at the introverted end of the spectrum. 265 00:19:18,091 --> 00:19:21,795 During the time that I knew Michael and, and Scott, 266 00:19:21,862 --> 00:19:23,597 we had dinner parties for friends, 267 00:19:23,664 --> 00:19:26,867 and we all felt very comfortable with each other. 268 00:19:26,933 --> 00:19:32,238 And we didn't talk about sex or gay things as, as often people would think about. 269 00:19:32,305 --> 00:19:35,709 It... We talked about world situations, 270 00:19:35,776 --> 00:19:37,244 mostly about music, 271 00:19:37,311 --> 00:19:40,547 um, and whether the local wine was good enough or not. 272 00:19:43,417 --> 00:19:46,020 I always felt that Scotty was very trusting 273 00:19:46,086 --> 00:19:49,289 and accepted people as they were. 274 00:19:49,923 --> 00:19:53,159 I found that very endearing, actually. 275 00:19:54,394 --> 00:19:56,931 Although he was shy, he tried to make you 276 00:19:56,997 --> 00:20:02,335 feel as comfortable as possible as he worked through his own shyness, I suppose. 277 00:20:03,803 --> 00:20:06,373 "July 24, 1986. 278 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,577 "Dear Steve, things seem to be moving very slowly here 279 00:20:10,644 --> 00:20:14,548 "because nothing much happens in this city after 5 P.M. 280 00:20:14,615 --> 00:20:18,285 "Everyone in Canberra is white, and most people are public servants 281 00:20:18,352 --> 00:20:21,388 "who seem to be content with the routine. 282 00:20:22,823 --> 00:20:26,427 "I, therefore, find myself in a state of considerable excitement 283 00:20:26,494 --> 00:20:28,795 when I can get to Sydney for a weekend." 284 00:20:28,862 --> 00:20:33,968 - Scott did not have an official PhD supervisor at ANU. 285 00:20:34,034 --> 00:20:38,105 And Scott identified a particular supervisor 286 00:20:38,171 --> 00:20:40,741 at Macquarie University in Sydney, 287 00:20:40,807 --> 00:20:46,613 hence Scott commuted between Canberra and Sydney, often each week. 288 00:20:47,114 --> 00:20:50,651 And Sydney was a very different kind of city. 289 00:20:50,718 --> 00:20:52,652 Quite different than Canberra. 290 00:20:55,455 --> 00:20:58,058 - Sydney is rapidly becoming for gays 291 00:20:58,125 --> 00:21:00,360 the San Francisco of the Southern Hemisphere. 292 00:21:09,136 --> 00:21:11,805 There were gay bars all over the place, 293 00:21:11,872 --> 00:21:13,274 there were gay saunas. 294 00:21:13,340 --> 00:21:16,176 There were gay football teams, you name it. 295 00:21:16,243 --> 00:21:22,282 There was a significant gay male culture within the city. 296 00:21:22,582 --> 00:21:26,019 Is it easy to live a gay life in Sydney? 297 00:21:26,086 --> 00:21:28,355 - It's not easy, but it's fun. 298 00:21:28,422 --> 00:21:31,424 It was a bit freer, uh, shall we say. 299 00:21:31,491 --> 00:21:35,462 And so, knowing Scotty, when you're doing a PhD, 300 00:21:35,529 --> 00:21:37,598 your head is down, 301 00:21:37,665 --> 00:21:40,067 and so, this would be a release for him 302 00:21:40,133 --> 00:21:42,335 to come up from Canberra, from his studies. 303 00:21:53,180 --> 00:21:55,716 What's happening this year that's special? 304 00:21:55,783 --> 00:21:59,319 This year, we get to add a baby to the family. 305 00:22:01,721 --> 00:22:04,257 Who do you want it to look like? 306 00:22:05,025 --> 00:22:07,995 - Between you and me? - Uh-huh. 307 00:22:08,062 --> 00:22:09,496 Power food for the baby. 308 00:22:09,563 --> 00:22:14,234 1988, Scott visited for that summer. 309 00:22:14,701 --> 00:22:18,071 What a catch. 310 00:22:20,841 --> 00:22:24,311 - We had a little apartment, it was a one bedroom 311 00:22:24,378 --> 00:22:26,814 with a living room and a German shepherd, 312 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,449 and I was really pregnant. 313 00:22:30,450 --> 00:22:33,887 And, you know, they... Just, like, domestic life. 314 00:22:34,221 --> 00:22:35,589 Boston, down. 315 00:22:35,656 --> 00:22:38,592 This is a little slice of American life, come on. 316 00:22:38,658 --> 00:22:39,593 - Sit down. 317 00:22:43,364 --> 00:22:45,165 So we would play games, and go for walks 318 00:22:45,232 --> 00:22:49,035 and listen to music, and it was just really fun. 319 00:22:49,837 --> 00:22:51,538 And then, Becca came. 320 00:22:53,807 --> 00:22:55,008 Come and get it. 321 00:22:55,342 --> 00:22:57,945 And it was, "Excuse me, 'scuse me." 322 00:22:58,012 --> 00:22:59,512 You know? 323 00:23:01,081 --> 00:23:03,951 I spent that summer with Steve and Rosemarie 324 00:23:04,018 --> 00:23:05,519 and Scott and Boston. 325 00:23:05,586 --> 00:23:10,157 All right! 326 00:23:10,224 --> 00:23:13,193 - And I was really exc... like, so excited. 327 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,698 They were so very nerdy. 328 00:23:17,998 --> 00:23:19,166 They had a camcorder. 329 00:23:19,233 --> 00:23:22,035 It was probably the size of a small car. 330 00:23:23,370 --> 00:23:26,173 I have a reputation in the family for being, 331 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,676 I don't think anyone uses the word "shutterbug" anymore, 332 00:23:28,742 --> 00:23:29,610 but 333 00:23:30,277 --> 00:23:33,146 being the, the guy with a camera. 334 00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:42,322 Over the years, it became very important that I mastered all the details. 335 00:23:45,358 --> 00:23:47,727 - This was also, like, early years of computers. 336 00:23:47,794 --> 00:23:49,529 We did not have one at my house. 337 00:23:51,131 --> 00:23:54,167 But they made me an adventure computer game 338 00:23:54,634 --> 00:23:57,270 on one of those old computers with the green, faded screen 339 00:23:57,337 --> 00:23:59,139 and the flashing cursor. 340 00:23:59,206 --> 00:24:04,544 Like, just incredible that they, they took the time to create an adventure for me. 341 00:24:07,148 --> 00:24:08,324 They were always on the computer. 342 00:24:08,348 --> 00:24:09,917 I-I, you know, I always joked like 343 00:24:09,984 --> 00:24:11,427 I didn't know what their faces looked like 344 00:24:11,451 --> 00:24:12,996 'cause I was always looking at the back of their heads. 345 00:24:13,020 --> 00:24:14,297 Programming, they were always programming. 346 00:24:14,321 --> 00:24:16,690 I'm working on my life's work. 347 00:24:17,090 --> 00:24:18,459 I love you. 348 00:24:18,926 --> 00:24:21,128 I love you too, hon. 349 00:24:21,628 --> 00:24:24,131 - The way they fed off of each other, 350 00:24:24,198 --> 00:24:26,100 finding a problem and picking it apart, 351 00:24:26,166 --> 00:24:30,170 and, like, I just think they were so complementary. 352 00:24:30,671 --> 00:24:33,774 So, that summer, he and I cooked up 353 00:24:33,841 --> 00:24:36,109 a program that could solve any problem, 354 00:24:36,176 --> 00:24:37,711 and so, that was our grand plan, 355 00:24:37,777 --> 00:24:43,550 and we didn't get very far, um, with that because... he died. 356 00:24:51,091 --> 00:24:52,860 - My name's Troy Hardie. 357 00:24:52,927 --> 00:24:56,796 I'm a former member of the New South Wales Police Service. 358 00:24:56,863 --> 00:24:59,500 I was a rescue squad operator. 359 00:24:59,566 --> 00:25:03,938 10th of December 1988, I was barely 24 years old. 360 00:25:04,004 --> 00:25:07,240 I'd been a police officer since May of 1984, 361 00:25:07,307 --> 00:25:10,677 so I'd been in approximately four and a half years. 362 00:25:11,878 --> 00:25:15,349 I remember at some stage, exact time I can't recall, 363 00:25:15,416 --> 00:25:19,753 I was sitting there answering the switch, fingerprinting baddies. 364 00:25:19,820 --> 00:25:23,657 And the news was passed on to me by a fellow police officer 365 00:25:23,724 --> 00:25:28,295 that there's been some human remains found at the bottom of North Head. 366 00:25:31,131 --> 00:25:34,267 I set off up there to investigate. 367 00:25:40,641 --> 00:25:46,147 When I got there, I saw the human remains of a male person, 368 00:25:46,213 --> 00:25:48,048 mid-20s to early 30s. 369 00:25:48,582 --> 00:25:53,887 He'd had injuries which were consistent with falling from the top of the headland, 370 00:25:53,954 --> 00:25:56,189 and the body was naked. 371 00:25:56,256 --> 00:25:59,226 That's unusual. I think... there's only ever been one body 372 00:25:59,293 --> 00:26:01,003 that I've ever found at the bottom of a headland 373 00:26:01,027 --> 00:26:03,430 in all the jobs that I've done that's been naked. 374 00:26:05,332 --> 00:26:09,502 He'd been there for at least a couple of days, potentially. 375 00:26:09,836 --> 00:26:15,508 You normally see, in these jobs, the way people land, they land headfirst. 376 00:26:15,575 --> 00:26:18,545 They normally have extensive damage up around the head. 377 00:26:18,612 --> 00:26:22,215 In this instance, the remains had extensive damage around the legs 378 00:26:22,282 --> 00:26:25,185 and, uh, and lower, lower body area, 379 00:26:25,252 --> 00:26:30,157 which was consistent with them having landed on the rocks, uh, feet first. 380 00:26:30,958 --> 00:26:34,061 - Large parts of Sydney were left without power today 381 00:26:34,127 --> 00:26:36,530 following last night's fierce electrical storm. 382 00:26:36,597 --> 00:26:39,599 There was hardly a suburb in Sydney left unaffected, 383 00:26:39,666 --> 00:26:42,636 phone lines were cut, and rail services disrupted. 384 00:26:43,137 --> 00:26:47,775 It had been raining for probably a day or two beforehand. 385 00:26:48,609 --> 00:26:52,913 Saw the remnants of blood on the body that had been washed away 386 00:26:52,980 --> 00:26:54,681 by water or rain. 387 00:26:54,748 --> 00:26:58,252 There was no evidence of any third party being there. 388 00:26:58,319 --> 00:27:01,688 There was no footprints of any kind there. 389 00:27:04,592 --> 00:27:09,430 We secured the remains, and we put them into a special carry case, 390 00:27:09,496 --> 00:27:13,066 put it beneath the helicopter to take it to the top of North Head. 391 00:27:15,702 --> 00:27:19,206 When I went to the top, the one thing we did find 392 00:27:19,272 --> 00:27:22,142 was an amount of clothing that had been neatly folded. 393 00:27:28,915 --> 00:27:31,452 There was a bus ticket and some other identification 394 00:27:31,519 --> 00:27:35,388 that was in there, which led to a, an address in Canberra. 395 00:27:36,122 --> 00:27:38,459 I remember having a conversation on the phone 396 00:27:38,525 --> 00:27:42,529 with a male person who told me that he was Scott's partner. 397 00:27:42,596 --> 00:27:47,334 That indicated to me that he and Scott were a couple, 398 00:27:47,401 --> 00:27:49,403 and that Scott was gay. 399 00:27:49,636 --> 00:27:52,372 I then made an appointment for Michael Noone 400 00:27:52,439 --> 00:27:54,641 to attend the police station the following day 401 00:27:54,708 --> 00:27:56,810 for identifying Scott's remains 402 00:27:56,877 --> 00:27:59,980 and providing a statement in relation to his knowledge. 403 00:28:01,015 --> 00:28:05,085 And when I spoke to him about his relationship with Scott, 404 00:28:05,152 --> 00:28:09,857 he told me that Scott was held in very high regard in his field at the time. 405 00:28:09,924 --> 00:28:12,993 He indicated that Scott was well-mannered, 406 00:28:13,060 --> 00:28:14,761 he was very athletic. 407 00:28:16,330 --> 00:28:22,036 Michael also indicated Scott had either had thoughts of, 408 00:28:22,103 --> 00:28:26,306 or may have previously attempted suicide. 409 00:28:27,474 --> 00:28:29,577 He hadn't seen Scott for several days 410 00:28:29,643 --> 00:28:33,446 because Scott was attending Macquarie University, 411 00:28:33,513 --> 00:28:36,583 and he couldn't tell me how Scott 412 00:28:36,650 --> 00:28:41,254 had come to be found at the location he was on the Saturday. 413 00:28:45,993 --> 00:28:48,195 - How far did ya go? - A mile. 414 00:28:48,262 --> 00:28:49,729 How long did it take you? 415 00:28:49,796 --> 00:28:52,116 - I don't know, about 11 minutes, 12 minutes. I don't know. 416 00:28:52,165 --> 00:28:53,800 Eleven minutes for one mile? 417 00:28:53,867 --> 00:28:56,036 - I don't know. I'm guessing, I really didn't... 418 00:28:56,603 --> 00:28:59,139 That's a long time. 419 00:28:59,940 --> 00:29:01,508 Long time to spend on one mile. 420 00:29:01,575 --> 00:29:03,844 We were in California with my family 421 00:29:03,911 --> 00:29:05,179 in early December 422 00:29:05,246 --> 00:29:08,648 right after our first daughter, Emma, was born. 423 00:29:09,984 --> 00:29:11,585 No cardiac arrest? 424 00:29:11,651 --> 00:29:15,021 - I don't know yet, haven't had it yet. I'm thinking about it. 425 00:29:15,422 --> 00:29:16,623 Okay. 426 00:29:19,593 --> 00:29:23,296 - We were going down to San Diego, so Steve could run in a marathon. 427 00:29:23,931 --> 00:29:24,965 Bye. 428 00:29:26,132 --> 00:29:30,270 I'm not quite sure why he felt this urgency to go check our voicemail, 429 00:29:30,337 --> 00:29:33,574 but he was taking a very long time. 430 00:29:34,475 --> 00:29:37,645 And I said to my, um, mom and dad, I said, 431 00:29:37,711 --> 00:29:39,613 "I'm gonna go in and see if everything's okay." 432 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,684 - Rosemarie eventually comes in, um, uh, to find out what's wrong. 433 00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:47,588 And I-I said, "Well, Michael wants me to call him and that I'm glad you're here" 434 00:29:48,055 --> 00:29:50,791 because I needed to call him and this doesn't sound like good news. 435 00:29:50,857 --> 00:29:53,260 So I called Michael and got, 436 00:29:53,326 --> 00:29:57,964 um... his dad who is sobbing 437 00:29:58,031 --> 00:30:01,535 telling me that Scott... has died. 438 00:30:04,672 --> 00:30:09,343 - I just didn't even know, like, what these words meant. 439 00:30:09,410 --> 00:30:11,111 And, um, 440 00:30:12,979 --> 00:30:14,314 he fell from a cliff. 441 00:30:14,381 --> 00:30:16,149 I have to take a break. 442 00:30:17,417 --> 00:30:21,621 - And Rosemarie and I then collapsed in tears 443 00:30:24,591 --> 00:30:26,059 in each other's arms. 444 00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:30,197 We couldn't imagine a greater loss 445 00:30:30,264 --> 00:30:34,100 than this... wonderful, gentle, 446 00:30:36,103 --> 00:30:37,704 brilliant soul. 447 00:30:41,141 --> 00:30:46,079 I'm sure that Steve called me and told me. 448 00:30:46,146 --> 00:30:50,250 I really can't remember exactly 449 00:30:50,817 --> 00:30:52,853 what my reaction was. 450 00:30:53,787 --> 00:30:56,489 Yeah, I'm sure I've blocked a lot of that out. 451 00:30:58,325 --> 00:31:00,193 That night, 452 00:31:07,634 --> 00:31:12,806 that night, like, just everything ch... Everything changed, um. 453 00:31:14,842 --> 00:31:17,043 Everything changed. 454 00:31:19,079 --> 00:31:21,915 I was 29... you know, 455 00:31:21,982 --> 00:31:25,085 a young kid who had just lost his brother. 456 00:31:26,019 --> 00:31:30,824 He was holding Emma, his eyes were kind of vacant, 457 00:31:30,891 --> 00:31:35,462 and I could just almost sense that, like, he was looking at her, 458 00:31:35,529 --> 00:31:39,099 and, like, she might've been the only thing keeping him 459 00:31:39,166 --> 00:31:41,334 sane at that crazy time, 460 00:31:41,401 --> 00:31:44,237 that he just was looking at her like, "Okay, I gotta, 461 00:31:44,304 --> 00:31:47,073 "I gotta hold it together 'cause I have this new baby 462 00:31:47,140 --> 00:31:49,209 and I'm not gonna let her down." 463 00:31:49,276 --> 00:31:51,979 And then, that's kind of the way everybody looked at her. 464 00:31:52,046 --> 00:31:54,180 Look at how big you are. 465 00:31:54,247 --> 00:31:58,585 Look at how big you are, you can't go back inside of Mommy. 466 00:31:59,386 --> 00:32:01,722 I needed to find some way to get to Australia, 467 00:32:01,788 --> 00:32:03,823 so I started that in motion. 468 00:32:06,427 --> 00:32:08,429 And I was the only one working. 469 00:32:08,495 --> 00:32:10,764 And so, I think that we had to borrow money 470 00:32:10,831 --> 00:32:13,600 from Steve's professor to get him to Australia. 471 00:32:13,667 --> 00:32:16,670 I couldn't go to Australia when Scott died 472 00:32:16,970 --> 00:32:18,639 and that was heartbreaking. 473 00:32:18,839 --> 00:32:20,007 Mwah! 474 00:32:20,707 --> 00:32:23,376 Want me to kiss him back on the phone tonight? 475 00:32:23,443 --> 00:32:24,811 You want me to? 476 00:32:35,222 --> 00:32:37,624 Scott's partner picked me up from the airport, 477 00:32:37,691 --> 00:32:41,895 and I was sad when I first got there that I had never been there. 478 00:32:42,229 --> 00:32:43,964 Months before he died, 479 00:32:44,031 --> 00:32:45,699 there was very little communication. 480 00:32:45,766 --> 00:32:47,734 There were a couple letters. 481 00:32:47,801 --> 00:32:50,203 After Emma was born, I spoke to him by phone, 482 00:32:50,270 --> 00:32:52,005 but very little communication, 483 00:32:52,072 --> 00:32:58,111 and I felt kind of ashamed that I came for the first time after he was dead. 484 00:32:59,380 --> 00:33:01,915 I'm sitting in Canberra, which is the capital city 485 00:33:01,982 --> 00:33:03,617 three hours away from where Scott died, 486 00:33:03,684 --> 00:33:07,054 and I realize I wanna go talk to the police. 487 00:33:07,387 --> 00:33:12,760 So, I said let's drive up to Sydney to the town where Scott died, 488 00:33:12,827 --> 00:33:14,461 which is called Manly, 489 00:33:14,528 --> 00:33:18,531 whose motto is, "Seven miles from Sydney, a thousand miles from care." 490 00:33:18,598 --> 00:33:24,037 And I remember thinking, "He was 10,000 miles from care." 491 00:33:28,375 --> 00:33:30,043 That I was unable to help him. 492 00:33:31,278 --> 00:33:36,316 I walked into the police station and met with this young constable, Troy Hardie. 493 00:33:36,883 --> 00:33:42,722 And he was sympathetic, very friendly, affable, "Sorry for your loss." 494 00:33:43,490 --> 00:33:46,760 And it dawned on me in the first few minutes that we were talking 495 00:33:46,826 --> 00:33:50,230 that he had closed the case. 496 00:33:50,997 --> 00:33:53,667 I was asking questions like, "Have we checked phone records?" 497 00:33:53,733 --> 00:33:56,437 "Have you taken his picture along The Corso 498 00:33:56,503 --> 00:33:58,372 to see if anyone recognizes him?" 499 00:33:58,439 --> 00:34:00,908 "What were his last few movements?" 500 00:34:00,975 --> 00:34:03,243 "Have you talked to any of his friends?" 501 00:34:03,310 --> 00:34:05,379 "Did you find a note?" "No, we didn't find a note." 502 00:34:05,446 --> 00:34:07,381 "Where's Scott's wallet?" "No wallet." 503 00:34:07,448 --> 00:34:09,082 He always carries this wallet. 504 00:34:09,149 --> 00:34:10,985 And he said, "Well, we talked to the professor 505 00:34:11,052 --> 00:34:12,786 "who had called him earlier in the day, 506 00:34:12,853 --> 00:34:15,956 "and we talked to his partner who said he hadn't talked to him all week long, 507 00:34:16,023 --> 00:34:18,291 "and that's what we've done. 508 00:34:18,358 --> 00:34:22,062 "But did you know that your brother was homosexual? 509 00:34:24,331 --> 00:34:28,335 "And this is where people go to jump especially 510 00:34:29,737 --> 00:34:31,271 "homosexuals. 511 00:34:32,807 --> 00:34:34,508 "And by the way, 512 00:34:35,142 --> 00:34:38,913 "his boyfriend mentioned something about Scott, 513 00:34:38,979 --> 00:34:43,584 at some point, had thought about jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge." 514 00:34:43,917 --> 00:34:48,288 And... and I said, "I-I have never heard this story. 515 00:34:50,123 --> 00:34:51,959 I-I-I don't know what you're talking about." 516 00:34:52,025 --> 00:34:55,796 And he said, "Yeah, apparently, there was a previous episode." 517 00:34:56,163 --> 00:34:58,632 And so, I had to find some way to comprehend that 518 00:34:58,699 --> 00:34:59,900 while we walked out the door. 519 00:35:00,734 --> 00:35:03,337 It's only about a three-minute drive from the police station, 520 00:35:03,403 --> 00:35:06,339 so it's very close to, to the police station. 521 00:35:06,406 --> 00:35:07,908 So my head's wildly spinning. 522 00:35:07,975 --> 00:35:10,110 We park, we walk up the trail, 523 00:35:10,177 --> 00:35:14,748 and the constable steps up on a few rock protrusions 524 00:35:14,815 --> 00:35:18,752 to get up to this smooth platform about the size of a barn door. 525 00:35:36,369 --> 00:35:40,740 I started looking around to see if there's a note that anyone missed. 526 00:35:40,807 --> 00:35:44,344 And then I started wondering whether it was something... 527 00:35:44,945 --> 00:35:46,413 someone did on purpose. 528 00:35:48,782 --> 00:35:51,652 Was there an altercation? Did they get into a fight? 529 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,420 Did he push him? 530 00:35:55,456 --> 00:35:58,358 So we spent a few minutes, it was on the verge of raining, 531 00:35:58,425 --> 00:36:00,394 so we were kind of in a hurry, 532 00:36:00,460 --> 00:36:04,298 and it was dusk now, so the sun was setting. 533 00:36:04,365 --> 00:36:07,434 So, we climbed down off the platform 534 00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:10,470 and walked to our respective cars, 535 00:36:10,537 --> 00:36:14,575 and the constable thanked me, he was sorry, 536 00:36:14,642 --> 00:36:16,443 and that was, that was it. 537 00:36:16,944 --> 00:36:21,582 My initial finding of suicide was done in good faith 538 00:36:21,649 --> 00:36:25,586 and was made on all the evidence that was presented at the scene 539 00:36:25,652 --> 00:36:28,488 or lack of evidence that was presented at the scene. 540 00:36:28,555 --> 00:36:32,525 He was found naked at the bottom of the headland 541 00:36:32,592 --> 00:36:36,296 with his clothes neatly folded at the top of the cliff 542 00:36:36,363 --> 00:36:39,733 with his identity clearly displayed on top of those clothes 543 00:36:39,799 --> 00:36:41,167 when I first viewed them. 544 00:36:41,234 --> 00:36:43,904 I had evidence telling me that... From Michael Noone that 545 00:36:43,971 --> 00:36:45,639 Scott had thought about suicide, 546 00:36:45,706 --> 00:36:48,542 and the time when I handed it off to the detectives, 547 00:36:48,608 --> 00:36:52,279 there was no evidence there to indicate anything other than suicide. 548 00:36:52,345 --> 00:36:55,949 And that was what I put in my report of death to the coroner. 549 00:36:56,783 --> 00:37:01,155 The body arrived at the mortuary 550 00:37:01,222 --> 00:37:02,956 and was formally handed over by police. 551 00:37:03,023 --> 00:37:08,461 In terms of the process and autopsy, it was very much approached 552 00:37:08,528 --> 00:37:11,398 as a suicide right from the beginning. 553 00:37:12,466 --> 00:37:16,970 The toxicology testing, which was in the form of an alcohol test, 554 00:37:17,037 --> 00:37:19,707 was negative. 555 00:37:19,773 --> 00:37:24,712 Testing was done for both HIV and for Hepatitis B prior to autopsy 556 00:37:24,779 --> 00:37:26,313 and both were negative. 557 00:37:26,380 --> 00:37:27,824 At the time, I think it's fair to say 558 00:37:27,848 --> 00:37:31,384 there were very significant concerns about AIDS. 559 00:37:31,451 --> 00:37:33,520 I don't know, um, 560 00:37:33,587 --> 00:37:38,826 if I was aware of Scott's sexual orientation at the time, 561 00:37:38,892 --> 00:37:43,931 but it was the case that various groups of cases 562 00:37:43,997 --> 00:37:49,536 were routinely tested for HIV and Scott was one of those cases. 563 00:37:51,404 --> 00:37:54,341 Scott's injuries involved many parts of the body. 564 00:37:54,407 --> 00:37:58,578 There was injury to the chest, there was injury to multiple limbs. 565 00:38:01,749 --> 00:38:06,687 There was severe, absolutely unsurvivable head injury. 566 00:38:07,621 --> 00:38:12,659 Just very, very severe injury absolutely incompatible with life. 567 00:38:14,628 --> 00:38:18,599 And I don't want this to come out wrong, but it was, to me, a routine case. 568 00:38:18,665 --> 00:38:22,169 The pathologist isn't there to solve crimes 569 00:38:22,236 --> 00:38:25,072 to start saying that, you know, 570 00:38:25,138 --> 00:38:29,243 Colonel Mustard with a candlestick did it in the study. 571 00:38:29,310 --> 00:38:32,178 That's just not the way forensic pathology works. 572 00:38:36,850 --> 00:38:41,455 - Suddenly, you get an email which tells you that he's dead. 573 00:38:41,522 --> 00:38:45,192 And so, it was a very significant shock. 574 00:38:45,258 --> 00:38:47,528 I regarded him as somebody who had 575 00:38:47,595 --> 00:38:50,898 an excellent potential future as an academic, 576 00:38:50,965 --> 00:38:54,067 which is what, I believe, he wanted to do. 577 00:38:54,134 --> 00:38:56,369 I would not have... 578 00:38:56,436 --> 00:39:01,408 If somebody had asked me beforehand, "Is Scott a potential suicide case?" 579 00:39:01,475 --> 00:39:04,211 I would have absolutely rejected it. 580 00:39:04,979 --> 00:39:09,049 That Scott would commit suicide didn't reconcile at all. 581 00:39:09,116 --> 00:39:13,153 He was happy and content, and looking forward to, to finishing off 582 00:39:13,220 --> 00:39:16,290 and getting his PhD. 583 00:39:16,356 --> 00:39:20,260 Fourteenth is when the notice appeared in the newspaper 584 00:39:21,362 --> 00:39:24,098 that said "no suspicious circumstances." 585 00:39:25,132 --> 00:39:29,502 Police actually told the press there were no suspicious circumstances. 586 00:39:34,641 --> 00:39:37,577 So I was pretty tied in knots by this point, 587 00:39:37,644 --> 00:39:42,750 and I was not at all satisfied that Scott committed suicide. 588 00:39:42,816 --> 00:39:46,954 What I decided to do next was try to retrace Scott's steps, 589 00:39:47,021 --> 00:39:50,257 and I caught the ferry out to Manly. 590 00:39:51,892 --> 00:39:54,261 It's a 30-minute ferry ride. 591 00:39:57,397 --> 00:40:00,133 And the first thing you do is you pass the Sydney Opera House 592 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,601 and the Sydney Harbor Bridge, 593 00:40:01,668 --> 00:40:05,171 and it's one of the most beautiful harbors in the world. 594 00:40:06,707 --> 00:40:09,977 Then, after about 20 minutes, you can see the cliffs, 595 00:40:10,044 --> 00:40:12,779 and there's North Head where Scott died. 596 00:40:14,381 --> 00:40:17,084 Before I went up to the cliffs, I stopped at the police station 597 00:40:17,150 --> 00:40:19,153 to see Troy Hardie again. 598 00:40:19,653 --> 00:40:24,958 - Steve was, was very, 599 00:40:25,025 --> 00:40:26,226 um... 600 00:40:27,327 --> 00:40:28,728 What's the word I'm looking for? 601 00:40:28,795 --> 00:40:30,530 Very passionate about his theories 602 00:40:30,597 --> 00:40:34,768 and the fact that his brother would not have... committed suicide. 603 00:40:37,070 --> 00:40:40,174 I was really mystified. 604 00:40:40,574 --> 00:40:45,312 It just didn't seem possible that he would've killed himself 605 00:40:45,379 --> 00:40:47,614 without saying goodbye. 606 00:40:48,081 --> 00:40:49,550 I couldn't imagine. 607 00:40:49,617 --> 00:40:52,352 He had his little niece 608 00:40:53,788 --> 00:40:55,956 who was six weeks old. 609 00:40:56,023 --> 00:40:58,425 He would've wanted to see his niece. 610 00:40:58,692 --> 00:41:04,031 And the constable just listened to me, expresses sympathy, 611 00:41:04,097 --> 00:41:06,666 and waited for me to leave. 612 00:41:08,468 --> 00:41:13,240 I decided, at that point, I had more questions for his partner. 613 00:41:16,109 --> 00:41:21,481 I retraced my steps in reverse and came back to Michael's parents' house. 614 00:41:21,881 --> 00:41:24,684 And I went for a walk with Michael 615 00:41:24,751 --> 00:41:28,155 to ask him one more time what was going on in their lives, 616 00:41:28,221 --> 00:41:31,592 you know, whether there was a precipitating fight. 617 00:41:31,925 --> 00:41:35,395 And I said, "If you guys broke up, that's totally understandable, 618 00:41:35,462 --> 00:41:40,367 "and I-I don't, I don't blame you for anything Scott might have been doing, 619 00:41:40,434 --> 00:41:42,469 "um, being up there with somebody else, 620 00:41:42,535 --> 00:41:46,406 accident, no accident, suicide, it's not your fault." 621 00:41:46,873 --> 00:41:48,409 And he 622 00:41:49,310 --> 00:41:54,348 ran inside his house and told his parents that I had accused him of killing Scott. 623 00:41:55,716 --> 00:41:59,419 His mother came out and told me I was no longer welcome at the house. 624 00:41:59,486 --> 00:42:01,288 - And Steve called me and he was just like, 625 00:42:01,355 --> 00:42:03,657 "Oh God," you know, "we got into an argument," 626 00:42:03,724 --> 00:42:05,792 and he was a little panicked, 627 00:42:05,859 --> 00:42:07,537 and he was like, "Rosemarie, Rosemarie, Rosemarie, 628 00:42:07,561 --> 00:42:10,263 I don't know what's happening down here." 629 00:42:11,232 --> 00:42:13,466 And so, I flew back to America. 630 00:42:13,533 --> 00:42:15,769 But even on my trip back home 631 00:42:15,836 --> 00:42:19,739 and even during the funeral that we had in California, 632 00:42:20,707 --> 00:42:23,144 I was far from letting go of this. 633 00:42:23,210 --> 00:42:25,679 - We got too many dryers, need more washers. 634 00:42:27,381 --> 00:42:29,416 - Okay, four hours 'til the New Year. 635 00:42:29,483 --> 00:42:31,418 I spent the rest of December 636 00:42:31,484 --> 00:42:34,154 typing up notes that I took while I was in Sydney. 637 00:42:34,221 --> 00:42:39,526 And the third week after Scott died, the Manley Police gets a 50-page document 638 00:42:39,593 --> 00:42:43,697 from the victim's family with all these questions, 639 00:42:43,764 --> 00:42:48,469 kind of a punch list of questions I thought police should go investigate. 640 00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:53,307 My best friend, Chris Grace, had gone into city politics 641 00:42:53,374 --> 00:42:55,408 and had gotten to know Senator Ted Kennedy. 642 00:42:55,475 --> 00:43:00,380 And so, Ted Kennedy sent a letter to the ambassador in Australia 643 00:43:00,447 --> 00:43:03,016 inquiring about Scott's death. 644 00:43:03,083 --> 00:43:06,753 Wasn't like I was bullying or going overboard, 645 00:43:06,820 --> 00:43:09,923 uh, I just wanted to know about why, why my brother died. 646 00:43:11,124 --> 00:43:14,662 So, I get a notice in February that there's gonna be an inquest in March, 647 00:43:14,728 --> 00:43:18,465 which I learned was supposed to be a matter of course. 648 00:43:19,066 --> 00:43:21,702 The coroner's findings in the inquest 649 00:43:21,769 --> 00:43:27,607 was that it was a suicide choice by Scott to end his own life. 650 00:43:30,510 --> 00:43:33,146 'Cause there was nothing there to indicate anything different. 651 00:43:34,314 --> 00:43:37,484 So, between the detective 652 00:43:37,551 --> 00:43:39,386 saying that Scott disrobed and jumped, 653 00:43:39,452 --> 00:43:43,590 and his partner saying there was a previous suicide attempt 654 00:43:43,657 --> 00:43:45,792 of uncertain date, 655 00:43:45,859 --> 00:43:47,628 that was the end of the inquest. 656 00:43:47,695 --> 00:43:51,731 And the coroner said, "And I'm sorry to say, Mr. Johnson," 657 00:43:51,798 --> 00:43:56,870 and he stared right at me, "that your brother was introverted 658 00:43:56,937 --> 00:43:58,738 "and intelligent. 659 00:43:59,873 --> 00:44:01,308 "And unfortunately, those are just 660 00:44:01,374 --> 00:44:04,444 "the type of people that tend to commit suicide. 661 00:44:04,511 --> 00:44:06,813 Your brother committed suicide." 662 00:44:08,014 --> 00:44:11,184 Gaveled it closed and... that was, that was 663 00:44:11,251 --> 00:44:16,289 the last official act on Scott's case for 20 more years. 664 00:44:18,259 --> 00:44:20,127 - The police told us that it was suicide, 665 00:44:20,194 --> 00:44:24,531 and that was the truth, like the capital T truth. 666 00:44:25,231 --> 00:44:28,235 And that left us, as a family, to figure out, like, 667 00:44:30,071 --> 00:44:32,272 how did we miss 668 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,041 that Scott could kill himself. 669 00:44:38,979 --> 00:44:40,447 Death is never easy 670 00:44:40,514 --> 00:44:44,351 and everybody goes through that process in a different way. 671 00:44:44,418 --> 00:44:48,355 But Scott's death was always like the big elephant in the room 672 00:44:48,422 --> 00:44:52,492 because, um... it was just no getting away from it. 673 00:44:53,894 --> 00:44:58,999 We were just trying to process what his suicide meant 674 00:44:59,066 --> 00:45:00,343 and how it could have come about 675 00:45:00,367 --> 00:45:02,803 because we were, on the one hand, disbelieving 676 00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:06,473 and on the other hand, it was the reality that was in front of us. 677 00:45:06,540 --> 00:45:10,477 And... so we all then had our own private, little hells, 678 00:45:10,544 --> 00:45:13,513 like our hells of how we let Scott down. 679 00:45:15,015 --> 00:45:20,687 But after a while, it was just, this is the hand we were dealt. 680 00:45:21,221 --> 00:45:23,924 And one way or another, life went on. 681 00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:26,393 Peek-a-boo. 682 00:45:28,695 --> 00:45:33,300 In 1990, my wife's pregnant with our second child, 683 00:45:33,367 --> 00:45:37,371 and I'm interested in this new computer revolution. 684 00:45:37,438 --> 00:45:39,673 So I started tinkering in my garage. 685 00:45:40,607 --> 00:45:44,477 An electrical engineering professor friend of mine at USC 686 00:45:44,544 --> 00:45:48,349 told me George Lucas was just on campus and he told us 687 00:45:48,415 --> 00:45:52,086 movie theaters are gonna be receiving movies digitally in the future 688 00:45:52,152 --> 00:45:54,888 and not in tin cans on celluloid. 689 00:45:54,955 --> 00:45:58,225 You know, you need to be thinking about digital image compression. 690 00:45:58,292 --> 00:46:01,528 And I got hooked on the idea of solving the problem. 691 00:46:02,963 --> 00:46:05,766 My friend from grad school quit his job, 692 00:46:05,833 --> 00:46:10,003 and we started a company with our names, Johnson-Grace. 693 00:46:10,437 --> 00:46:11,638 - Kiss Emma. 694 00:46:14,207 --> 00:46:15,909 We just had, like, no money. 695 00:46:15,976 --> 00:46:17,411 The wolves were at the door. 696 00:46:17,478 --> 00:46:20,748 It was the worst time that you could possibly think of. 697 00:46:20,814 --> 00:46:22,015 What? 698 00:46:22,716 --> 00:46:23,784 Me? 699 00:46:23,851 --> 00:46:25,819 But Steve just kept, like, pluggin' away. 700 00:46:25,886 --> 00:46:31,091 He said, "I have an idea and I think this is gonna be a good idea." 701 00:46:31,792 --> 00:46:33,727 This is now '93. 702 00:46:33,794 --> 00:46:35,762 When people were dialed up to online services, 703 00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:38,532 like America Online and Prodigy and CompuServe, 704 00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:43,070 it took about an hour to receive a full-screen image. 705 00:46:43,637 --> 00:46:46,239 And after about a year and a half of tinkering, 706 00:46:46,306 --> 00:46:49,442 I came up with an algorithm and that made that six seconds. 707 00:46:50,744 --> 00:46:53,447 This attracted the attention of America Online. 708 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,983 They licensed my technology for a lot of money. 709 00:46:57,050 --> 00:46:58,652 - Good morning, America Online. 710 00:46:58,718 --> 00:47:01,922 - And enabled me and Chris to hire a few people and feed our families. 711 00:47:02,256 --> 00:47:06,126 The relationship with America Online was with a very, very productive one. 712 00:47:06,193 --> 00:47:08,162 America Online bought the company in '96, 713 00:47:08,228 --> 00:47:12,266 and then I went on to run their R&D division 714 00:47:12,332 --> 00:47:14,134 for the rest of the decade, 715 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,038 which was a hell of a stint because the internet became mainstream. 716 00:47:18,605 --> 00:47:23,243 It was the golden age for nerds, and Scott missed it all. 717 00:47:27,414 --> 00:47:31,718 I think many times during the day, "What would Scott think about this?" 718 00:47:31,785 --> 00:47:35,222 "How exciting this is, I wanna share it with Scott." 719 00:47:35,289 --> 00:47:39,593 Um, this happens many times a day still. 720 00:47:40,126 --> 00:47:43,496 You have great control over the dog there, Scott. 721 00:47:47,701 --> 00:47:49,870 How do you teach her to run away...? 722 00:47:49,937 --> 00:47:54,107 Scott really missed something and the world missed him. 723 00:47:54,407 --> 00:47:57,978 He was this creative mind, this elegant mind. 724 00:47:58,045 --> 00:47:59,413 What a team we would've made 725 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,282 but also, how much more enjoyable life would've been. 726 00:48:06,587 --> 00:48:08,655 Now we have two daughters and a son 727 00:48:08,722 --> 00:48:12,325 and how much... they would've enjoyed their uncle. 728 00:48:15,395 --> 00:48:18,432 For years, Scott's case is just quiet. 729 00:48:18,499 --> 00:48:19,967 You know, we talk about Scott 730 00:48:20,034 --> 00:48:23,336 and we just, just... He's just a part of our lives the way 731 00:48:23,403 --> 00:48:26,106 we would talk about anybody else who we miss. 732 00:48:27,674 --> 00:48:30,443 You know, so we just were livin' our little lives. 733 00:48:33,513 --> 00:48:37,051 Basically, things were quiet. 734 00:48:37,117 --> 00:48:41,322 And then Michael... ya know, thank you, Michael, 735 00:48:41,388 --> 00:48:44,591 Michael sent an article to Steve. 736 00:48:45,859 --> 00:48:50,230 We learned about these men are showing up at the bottom of cliffs. 737 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,067 And everything started again. 738 00:48:54,134 --> 00:48:56,203 In 1989 in Sydney, 739 00:48:56,270 --> 00:48:59,572 John Russell met his death falling from a cliff 740 00:48:59,639 --> 00:49:03,277 the same year TV presenter Ross Warren went missing, 741 00:49:03,344 --> 00:49:04,945 his body never found. 742 00:49:05,011 --> 00:49:10,351 Gilles Mattaini went for a walk in 1984 and never returned. 743 00:49:10,417 --> 00:49:13,587 These three homosexual men didn't know each other, 744 00:49:13,654 --> 00:49:18,792 but police believe they may all have been the target of gay hate crimes. 745 00:49:18,859 --> 00:49:21,628 Police renewed their investigations this year 746 00:49:21,695 --> 00:49:25,532 and today staged a reenactment of Mr. Russell's death, 747 00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:29,336 pushing a dummy over the cliff several times 748 00:49:29,403 --> 00:49:34,140 to gauge if the 31-year-old fell or was pushed. 749 00:49:37,144 --> 00:49:38,612 I was in law school. 750 00:49:38,678 --> 00:49:41,681 It was literally my last finals of law school, 751 00:49:41,748 --> 00:49:43,751 and Steve sent me, like, an email 752 00:49:43,817 --> 00:49:47,587 with a bunch of attachments of newspaper articles. 753 00:49:51,592 --> 00:49:56,129 And it was an explanation that fit in a way that 754 00:49:57,064 --> 00:50:00,267 Scott killing himself never fit. 755 00:50:03,237 --> 00:50:06,873 In my mind, the picture totally changed. 756 00:50:06,940 --> 00:50:09,385 Anyone who may have information about the incidents... 757 00:50:09,409 --> 00:50:13,446 My brother-in-law was pushed. 758 00:50:15,482 --> 00:50:19,687 And he was falling, and he was afraid, 759 00:50:19,753 --> 00:50:21,555 and we weren't there. 760 00:50:21,888 --> 00:50:23,590 It was heartbreaking. 761 00:50:27,861 --> 00:50:30,997 I mean, the truth completely changed and the world changed. 762 00:50:31,064 --> 00:50:33,767 Somebody took his life from him. 763 00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,876 And then I thought, 764 00:50:42,943 --> 00:50:45,846 "And what is it gonna do to my husband?" 765 00:50:45,913 --> 00:50:48,448 You know, "What is it gonna do to Steve?" 766 00:50:50,617 --> 00:50:54,054 This is... It's not, it's not closure, it's... 767 00:50:54,121 --> 00:50:58,158 It opens up a whole different thing, you know? 768 00:51:00,927 --> 00:51:06,299 - I let go of even the remotest chance that Scott had suicided. 769 00:51:07,534 --> 00:51:11,138 It was quite a windfall of relief for me, in some sense. 770 00:51:11,472 --> 00:51:15,142 Although, suicide's just another mystery. 771 00:51:15,209 --> 00:51:18,545 So I was trading that mystery for this one. 772 00:51:18,612 --> 00:51:19,846 Who killed him? 773 00:51:19,913 --> 00:51:21,114 Why? 61231

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