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In 1988, the
American's body was found at the...
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Johnson's naked
body was found at the base...
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Scott
Johnson's family,
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the path to this point
has been long and painful.
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- Little nervous.
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Our hotel room
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has a perfect view to the
cliff where Scott died.
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This view is...
momentous.
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For 30 years, this mystery about
what happened to my brother
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was this bottled-up
question mark.
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It was a meteor
crashing into my life.
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- Good morning. We'll call the
matter for judgment, please.
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Had he lived, Scott Johnson would've
celebrated his 60th birthday
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in November last year.
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Because of the actions
of the offender,
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Dr. Johnson's life was
cut short at the age of 27
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at a time when having already
completed the work required
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for the award of a
doctorate in mathematics,
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he was on the verge of what is likely
to have been an extraordinary career.
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He is described as a
brilliant mathematician
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whose hard work and
incandescent intelligence
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led him to solve three
significant mathematical problems.
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With Dr. Johnson's death,
the world lost a mind
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ready to contribute
substantially to its advancement.
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There
are people you expect
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to always be there in your life,
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and you don't really necessarily
know who you are without them.
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Definitely, Uncle Scott was
one of those people for my dad.
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Can't look at that drop
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without thinking of Scott and
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the terror he went through
for the couple of seconds
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that it took him to fall.
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Did he trip? Was he pushed?
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Did he kill himself?
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You know, I had a
blizzard of questions.
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And there's no way to undo it.
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We tried.
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So... there are 20 times more,
um, where this came from.
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This is Scott and me...
and the Matterhorn.
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Scott's CV, all of his
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grade point averages
are near perfect.
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His publications,
there is a lot, yes.
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This was the computer program
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that resulted in pictures
of the surface of Venus.
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These are mathematical
scattering laws, who knew?
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We made these in 2013.
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We knew that it could only be
solved if people came forward.
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"Hunting a Killer."
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Way back at the beginning,
we had no clues, no suspects.
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And we were really fitting each
puzzle piece in as we got them.
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This is the... his
death certificate.
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"Died of effects of multiple
injuries, sustained when he jumped."
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I think we should
have that updated.
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It was a living hell wondering
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and there was always, always a
possibility that he did kill himself.
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So yeah, it was very hard...
to... l-land on solid ground ever.
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This was pretty emotional.
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When this came to me, I think
was the deepest, longest cry.
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Here's a good one.
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So, this is in 1964.
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Scott, Steve,
Terry, Pismo Beach.
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He was beautiful.
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So, we grew up in
Southern California.
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Scott, my sister, and I were
born to very young parents.
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My mom had my sister
when she was 18,
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and me when she was 19,
and Scott when she was 21.
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She met my dad when
he was popping popcorn
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in a Los Angeles movie theater.
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They eloped and she had
my sister shortly after.
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There were
times when we were younger,
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that we all shared one room.
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Dad put together a
three-tiered bunk bed.
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I was on the top bunk.
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Was the farthest away from any
spankings that might've happened.
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My sister and I think
of our childhood in two parts.
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There was before divorce
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and after divorce.
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When I was 10, my dad,
essentially, disappeared.
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He didn't send child support,
he didn't talk to us.
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Mom had to be
the sole breadwinner
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with no work
experience to speak of.
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It was extremely difficult
for her to pay the bills.
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So, between me and Scott,
we had three paper routes.
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We'd get up at 3:00 in the
morning and deliver papers,
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and we'd go to school,
and then we'd get home
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and deliver papers again.
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So there was tension in the house, and
Scott and I glued ourselves together.
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We kinda lived in
a fantasy world.
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We were enamored
with superheroes,
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and so, we made up our own.
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We were Flyman and Bosco.
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Wow, this is much younger.
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When Scott reached kindergarten,
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he came home with a note
attached to his shirt
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saying that the teacher
wanted to talk to my parents,
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and they were, were kinda proud
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and they had the
conference with the teacher
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and she wondered why they had
sent their mentally retarded son
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to a school with normal kids.
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Because Scott was so awkward
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and he wasn't that interested
in tying his shoes,
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so the teacher thought he didn't
know how to tie his shoes.
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He wore his sweater around his
neck instead of putting it on.
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That's because he
liked it to be a cape.
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And teacher didn't
have any idea of what,
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uh, was really going
on with my brother.
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Um, he was quite a bit more
brilliant than they had imagined.
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Eventually, my mom found a
man who moved in with us.
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He was an alcoholic, and was
very rough with me and Scott.
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We were a little too
girly for, for him.
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You need to act like a man.
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And it was sending Scott
into a spiral of depression,
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feeling bad about himself, and
feeling kind of afraid and gloomy.
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When it finally culminated into
a kind of a volcanic argument
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between me and the boyfriend,
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my mom asked me to leave,
and when I left the house,
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Scott was sorta stranded with this
man that really cast a shadow on him.
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But, you know, once
he got into high school,
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Scott started
showing his genius.
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I remember one time Mom had a pickup
truck with a camper shell on it.
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The boys were sitting
on either side of me
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talking about the
theory of relativity,
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and I'm like...
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I couldn't even get involved
with the conversation.
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So, that was a good
indicator for me.
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He ended up
going to Caltech,
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which is probably the hardest
college in America to get into.
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And Scott found it easy.
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It was like a new world for
him and a new life for him.
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He went from this place where
he was constantly in trouble
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for not doing his chores
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to the place where
everyone idolized him.
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So, lucky for me, Caltech
was just a few miles from USC
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where I was at college.
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So we got to spend a
lot of time together.
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Uh, we liked to hike together.
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Both of us were very
shy. We were quite nerdy.
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When Steve and I met,
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I was 18 and he was 19,
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and Steve and Scott would
get together and do things.
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So, it wasn't like a package
deal, I wouldn't say that,
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but Scott was around us a lot.
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Shy just doesn't describe Scott.
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I just have to tell you that he
couldn't order at a restaurant.
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He had such difficulty.
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But everything that we
did, he was game to do,
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and we had a fun time and
we laughed, and I thought,
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"Wow... I like this kid."
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You know, I mean, I was only
two years older than he was,
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but I felt older and protective.
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And he also, like... Steve
has a big personality,
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and I could see right away the
dynamics in that relationship.
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And it was clear that
Scott would defer to Steve.
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And very often my role, I felt,
was to try to bring Scott out,
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and say, "No, what do you think," you
know, and, "What do you wanna do?"
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And make sure that he wasn't
just in the background,
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like, you know, the
Steve and Rose Show.
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Not a week goes
by that I don't pick up
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something that Scott's
written or a picture.
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So, he's always a presence.
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And the unfortunate 30-year
journey to find justice for him.
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There we go.
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The first trip I took out to Colorado
to visit my dad after seven years.
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This is his baby,
Becca, my half-sister.
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And I didn't really realize
that he started another family.
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- I was born in
1977 in Colorado.
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Think Terry talks about
going on a road trip,
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and, like, discovering
baby Becca.
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Because they're so much
older, I just idolized them,
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like Steve and Scott would have these
stories of these amazing adventures.
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They'd be hiking mountains
and have some crazy story
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about coming down in
the dark in a town.
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Ugh, I guess we're gonna
start crying at the beginning.
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Um, Scott, like, definitely
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was shy and gentle and quiet,
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and that felt really good to me.
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- Where are we, Rebecca?
- Rebecca is gonna tell us
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what... where we are
and where we're going.
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- Where are we?
- I don't know.
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He was wonderful,
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and I was pretty
annoying, I'm pretty sure.
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He was also ridiculously smart.
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- I got into graduate
school at Harvard,
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and Scott went straight from Caltech
to Cambridge University in England.
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And it's the first time in our
lives that we're separated.
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And he had a gloomy first
semester at Cambridge,
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but he went on his
second semester
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and the tone of his phone calls
and his letters picked up.
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"Dear Rose, I
thought I'd take some time out now
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"to write you a letter before
I go into heavy study mode,
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"and have no time
left to write anyone.
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"Everything happened
all at once,
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"and I suddenly found myself in the
midst of a heavy Cambridge social scene
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"going out with all sorts of people
and making a few very close friends.
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"Second term, I had
met Michael Noone
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"who's an Australian doing his PhD
on 15th-century Spanish music here.
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"Maybe it's silly for me to
write to you about all this,
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"but I've always had difficulty
opening up and making friends,
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so this is quite an
important phenomenon for me."
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He finished his
program at Cambridge,
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and came back to LA with me.
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And late one night, uh, we were
walking around downtown Los Angeles
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over in the
meatpacking district,
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and he's struggling
to tell me something
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and he's really struggling, and
the only thing I could imagine was
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he'd got someone pregnant.
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And so, I guessed that. I said,
"And you got her pregnant?"
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And he says, "It wasn't a her.
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I'm gay."
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And
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it... the first impact was this person
that I knew better than anybody else,
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I didn't know as well
as I thought I did.
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He came out to both
of us, like, individually.
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I will say I was nervous.
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I wasn't like, "Hooray, Scott's
gay," um, because I was scared.
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I knew several
people who were gay.
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I knew people who
had been beaten.
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Steve and I took a
break from dating,
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and I dated a man who lived in
a house with all gay people.
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I had seen people come
back to the house bloodied,
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and I had heard stories
about promiscuity,
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and he started going out, like
he'd say... he would go out
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and we knew he was going out
to maybe a bar or something.
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I just, literally, thought,
"This is not my brother-in-law."
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I mean, you know, at the time, I was
just thinking like, "Oh, my God."
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And I thought he would
be an easy target.
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The AIDS epidemic
was just beginning.
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And so, we were really concerned
and Scott was really concerned.
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- A-I-D-S, AIDS, the most frightening
initials in America today.
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- Free AIDS literature!
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Please learn about the symptoms!
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I was kinda
naive about the world,
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so it didn't really cross my
mind that he'd get into trouble.
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Or that things could happen.
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I was just glad he found someone
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that he was happy to be with.
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Michael Noone, the man that
he fell in love with at Cambridge,
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had gone back to Australia.
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And he was in love
with this man for sure.
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So, Scott decided he needed
to leave the United States
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and move to Australia.
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- Yeah, he went that
far away. That was hard.
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SINGER: ♪♪ We'll sing a song of
Canberra, the nation's capital ♪♪
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♪♪ It's a very pretty city ♪♪
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♪♪ But it's got
no heart at all ♪♪
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♪♪ You get those bad
Canberra blues ♪♪
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Canberra
was an intimate, small town
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with a population
of about 200,000
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with a very fine university,
Australian National University.
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And I recall hearing about Scott
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about a month at least
before he turned up
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because given the topics
that he was interested in,
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given the knowledge of
mathematics, which he demonstrated,
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he had a high intellect,
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an excellent student,
probably close to a star.
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Was a small group of graduate
students in the department.
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And one of the interesting
features in the 1980s
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were that three of
us were gay men.
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Scott was a reserved person.
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Certainly not a loud American,
if I can use that expression.
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And also, I should point
out, that as a mathematician,
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definitions matter and the...
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On the scale of
mathematical behavior,
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Scott was, in no sense, at the
introverted end of the spectrum.
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During the time that
I knew Michael and, and Scott,
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we had dinner
parties for friends,
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and we all felt very
comfortable with each other.
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And we didn't talk about sex or gay things
as, as often people would think about.
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It... We talked about
world situations,
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mostly about music,
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um, and whether the local
wine was good enough or not.
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I always felt that
Scotty was very trusting
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and accepted people
as they were.
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I found that very
endearing, actually.
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Although he was shy,
he tried to make you
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feel as comfortable as possible as he
worked through his own shyness, I suppose.
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"July 24, 1986.
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"Dear Steve, things seem to
be moving very slowly here
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"because nothing much happens
in this city after 5 P.M.
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"Everyone in Canberra is white,
and most people are public servants
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"who seem to be content
with the routine.
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"I, therefore, find myself in a
state of considerable excitement
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when I can get to
Sydney for a weekend."
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- Scott did not have an
official PhD supervisor at ANU.
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And Scott identified a
particular supervisor
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at Macquarie
University in Sydney,
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hence Scott commuted between
Canberra and Sydney, often each week.
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And Sydney was a very
different kind of city.
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Quite different than Canberra.
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- Sydney is rapidly
becoming for gays
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the San Francisco of
the Southern Hemisphere.
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There were gay
bars all over the place,
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there were gay saunas.
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There were gay football
teams, you name it.
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There was a significant gay
male culture within the city.
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Is it easy to
live a gay life in Sydney?
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- It's not easy, but it's fun.
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It was a bit
freer, uh, shall we say.
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And so, knowing Scotty,
when you're doing a PhD,
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your head is down,
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and so, this would
be a release for him
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to come up from Canberra,
from his studies.
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What's happening
this year that's special?
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This year, we get
to add a baby to the family.
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Who do you
want it to look like?
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- Between you and me?
- Uh-huh.
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Power food for the baby.
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1988, Scott visited
for that summer.
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What a catch.
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- We had a little apartment,
it was a one bedroom
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with a living room
and a German shepherd,
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and I was really pregnant.
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And, you know, they...
Just, like, domestic life.
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Boston, down.
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This is a little slice
of American life, come on.
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- Sit down.
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So we would play
games, and go for walks
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and listen to music, and
it was just really fun.
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And then, Becca came.
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Come and get it.
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And it was, "Excuse
me, 'scuse me."
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You know?
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I spent that
summer with Steve and Rosemarie
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and Scott and Boston.
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All right!
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- And I was really
exc... like, so excited.
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They were so very
nerdy.
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They had a camcorder.
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It was probably the
size of a small car.
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I have a reputation
in the family for being,
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I don't think anyone uses the
word "shutterbug" anymore,
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but
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being the, the
guy with a camera.
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Over the years, it became very important
that I mastered all the details.
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- This was also, like,
early years of computers.
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We did not have one at my house.
337
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But they made me an
adventure computer game
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on one of those old computers
with the green, faded screen
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and the flashing cursor.
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Like, just incredible that they, they took
the time to create an adventure for me.
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They were
always on the computer.
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I-I, you know, I
always joked like
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I didn't know what
their faces looked like
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'cause I was always looking
at the back of their heads.
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Programming, they were
always programming.
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I'm working
on my life's work.
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I love you.
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I
love you too, hon.
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- The way they fed
off of each other,
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finding a problem
and picking it apart,
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and, like, I just think
they were so complementary.
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So, that summer,
he and I cooked up
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a program that could
solve any problem,
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and so, that was our grand plan,
355
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and we didn't get very far, um,
with that because... he died.
356
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- My name's Troy Hardie.
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I'm a former member of the New
South Wales Police Service.
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I was a rescue squad operator.
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10th of December 1988, I
was barely 24 years old.
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I'd been a police officer
since May of 1984,
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so I'd been in approximately
four and a half years.
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I remember at some stage,
exact time I can't recall,
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I was sitting there answering the
switch, fingerprinting baddies.
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And the news was passed on to
me by a fellow police officer
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that there's been some human remains
found at the bottom of North Head.
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I set off up there
to investigate.
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When I got there, I saw the
human remains of a male person,
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mid-20s to early 30s.
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He'd had injuries which were consistent
with falling from the top of the headland,
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and the body was naked.
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That's unusual. I think...
there's only ever been one body
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that I've ever found at
the bottom of a headland
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in all the jobs that I've
done that's been naked.
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He'd been there for at least
a couple of days, potentially.
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You normally see, in these jobs, the
way people land, they land headfirst.
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They normally have extensive
damage up around the head.
377
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In this instance, the remains had
extensive damage around the legs
378
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and, uh, and lower,
lower body area,
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which was consistent with them having
landed on the rocks, uh, feet first.
380
00:26:30,958 --> 00:26:34,061
- Large parts of Sydney were
left without power today
381
00:26:34,127 --> 00:26:36,530
following last night's
fierce electrical storm.
382
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There was hardly a
suburb in Sydney left unaffected,
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phone lines were cut, and
rail services disrupted.
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It had been raining for
probably a day or two beforehand.
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00:26:48,609 --> 00:26:52,913
Saw the remnants of blood on the
body that had been washed away
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by water or rain.
387
00:26:54,748 --> 00:26:58,252
There was no evidence of
any third party being there.
388
00:26:58,319 --> 00:27:01,688
There was no footprints
of any kind there.
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00:27:04,592 --> 00:27:09,430
We secured the remains, and we put
them into a special carry case,
390
00:27:09,496 --> 00:27:13,066
put it beneath the helicopter to
take it to the top of North Head.
391
00:27:15,702 --> 00:27:19,206
When I went to the top,
the one thing we did find
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was an amount of clothing
that had been neatly folded.
393
00:27:28,915 --> 00:27:31,452
There was a bus ticket and
some other identification
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00:27:31,519 --> 00:27:35,388
that was in there, which led
to a, an address in Canberra.
395
00:27:36,122 --> 00:27:38,459
I remember having a
conversation on the phone
396
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with a male person who told me
that he was Scott's partner.
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That indicated to me that
he and Scott were a couple,
398
00:27:47,401 --> 00:27:49,403
and that Scott was gay.
399
00:27:49,636 --> 00:27:52,372
I then made an appointment
for Michael Noone
400
00:27:52,439 --> 00:27:54,641
to attend the police
station the following day
401
00:27:54,708 --> 00:27:56,810
for identifying Scott's remains
402
00:27:56,877 --> 00:27:59,980
and providing a statement in
relation to his knowledge.
403
00:28:01,015 --> 00:28:05,085
And when I spoke to him about
his relationship with Scott,
404
00:28:05,152 --> 00:28:09,857
he told me that Scott was held in very
high regard in his field at the time.
405
00:28:09,924 --> 00:28:12,993
He indicated that Scott
was well-mannered,
406
00:28:13,060 --> 00:28:14,761
he was very athletic.
407
00:28:16,330 --> 00:28:22,036
Michael also indicated Scott
had either had thoughts of,
408
00:28:22,103 --> 00:28:26,306
or may have previously
attempted suicide.
409
00:28:27,474 --> 00:28:29,577
He hadn't seen Scott
for several days
410
00:28:29,643 --> 00:28:33,446
because Scott was attending
Macquarie University,
411
00:28:33,513 --> 00:28:36,583
and he couldn't
tell me how Scott
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had come to be found at the
location he was on the Saturday.
413
00:28:45,993 --> 00:28:48,195
- How far did ya go?
- A mile.
414
00:28:48,262 --> 00:28:49,729
How long did it take you?
415
00:28:49,796 --> 00:28:52,116
- I don't know, about 11 minutes,
12 minutes. I don't know.
416
00:28:52,165 --> 00:28:53,800
Eleven
minutes for one mile?
417
00:28:53,867 --> 00:28:56,036
- I don't know. I'm
guessing, I really didn't...
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00:28:56,603 --> 00:28:59,139
That's a long time.
419
00:28:59,940 --> 00:29:01,508
Long time to spend on one mile.
420
00:29:01,575 --> 00:29:03,844
We were in
California with my family
421
00:29:03,911 --> 00:29:05,179
in early December
422
00:29:05,246 --> 00:29:08,648
right after our first
daughter, Emma, was born.
423
00:29:09,984 --> 00:29:11,585
No cardiac arrest?
424
00:29:11,651 --> 00:29:15,021
- I don't know yet, haven't had
it yet. I'm thinking about it.
425
00:29:15,422 --> 00:29:16,623
Okay.
426
00:29:19,593 --> 00:29:23,296
- We were going down to San Diego,
so Steve could run in a marathon.
427
00:29:23,931 --> 00:29:24,965
Bye.
428
00:29:26,132 --> 00:29:30,270
I'm not quite sure why he felt this
urgency to go check our voicemail,
429
00:29:30,337 --> 00:29:33,574
but he was taking
a very long time.
430
00:29:34,475 --> 00:29:37,645
And I said to my, um,
mom and dad, I said,
431
00:29:37,711 --> 00:29:39,613
"I'm gonna go in and see
if everything's okay."
432
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,684
- Rosemarie eventually comes in,
um, uh, to find out what's wrong.
433
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:47,588
And I-I said, "Well, Michael wants me to
call him and that I'm glad you're here"
434
00:29:48,055 --> 00:29:50,791
because I needed to call him and
this doesn't sound like good news.
435
00:29:50,857 --> 00:29:53,260
So I called Michael and got,
436
00:29:53,326 --> 00:29:57,964
um... his dad who is sobbing
437
00:29:58,031 --> 00:30:01,535
telling me that
Scott... has died.
438
00:30:04,672 --> 00:30:09,343
- I just didn't even know,
like, what these words meant.
439
00:30:09,410 --> 00:30:11,111
And, um,
440
00:30:12,979 --> 00:30:14,314
he fell from a cliff.
441
00:30:14,381 --> 00:30:16,149
I have to take a break.
442
00:30:17,417 --> 00:30:21,621
- And Rosemarie and I
then collapsed in tears
443
00:30:24,591 --> 00:30:26,059
in each other's arms.
444
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:30,197
We couldn't imagine
a greater loss
445
00:30:30,264 --> 00:30:34,100
than this... wonderful, gentle,
446
00:30:36,103 --> 00:30:37,704
brilliant soul.
447
00:30:41,141 --> 00:30:46,079
I'm sure that Steve
called me and told me.
448
00:30:46,146 --> 00:30:50,250
I really can't remember exactly
449
00:30:50,817 --> 00:30:52,853
what my reaction was.
450
00:30:53,787 --> 00:30:56,489
Yeah, I'm sure I've
blocked a lot of that out.
451
00:30:58,325 --> 00:31:00,193
That night,
452
00:31:07,634 --> 00:31:12,806
that night, like, just everything
ch... Everything changed, um.
453
00:31:14,842 --> 00:31:17,043
Everything changed.
454
00:31:19,079 --> 00:31:21,915
I was 29... you know,
455
00:31:21,982 --> 00:31:25,085
a young kid who had
just lost his brother.
456
00:31:26,019 --> 00:31:30,824
He was holding Emma,
his eyes were kind of vacant,
457
00:31:30,891 --> 00:31:35,462
and I could just almost sense
that, like, he was looking at her,
458
00:31:35,529 --> 00:31:39,099
and, like, she might've been
the only thing keeping him
459
00:31:39,166 --> 00:31:41,334
sane at that crazy time,
460
00:31:41,401 --> 00:31:44,237
that he just was looking at
her like, "Okay, I gotta,
461
00:31:44,304 --> 00:31:47,073
"I gotta hold it together
'cause I have this new baby
462
00:31:47,140 --> 00:31:49,209
and I'm not gonna let her down."
463
00:31:49,276 --> 00:31:51,979
And then, that's kind of the
way everybody looked at her.
464
00:31:52,046 --> 00:31:54,180
Look at how big you are.
465
00:31:54,247 --> 00:31:58,585
Look at how big you are, you
can't go back inside of Mommy.
466
00:31:59,386 --> 00:32:01,722
I needed to find some
way to get to Australia,
467
00:32:01,788 --> 00:32:03,823
so I started that in motion.
468
00:32:06,427 --> 00:32:08,429
And I was
the only one working.
469
00:32:08,495 --> 00:32:10,764
And so, I think that
we had to borrow money
470
00:32:10,831 --> 00:32:13,600
from Steve's professor
to get him to Australia.
471
00:32:13,667 --> 00:32:16,670
I couldn't go to
Australia when Scott died
472
00:32:16,970 --> 00:32:18,639
and that was heartbreaking.
473
00:32:18,839 --> 00:32:20,007
Mwah!
474
00:32:20,707 --> 00:32:23,376
Want me to kiss him back
on the phone tonight?
475
00:32:23,443 --> 00:32:24,811
You want me to?
476
00:32:35,222 --> 00:32:37,624
Scott's partner picked
me up from the airport,
477
00:32:37,691 --> 00:32:41,895
and I was sad when I first got
there that I had never been there.
478
00:32:42,229 --> 00:32:43,964
Months before he died,
479
00:32:44,031 --> 00:32:45,699
there was very
little communication.
480
00:32:45,766 --> 00:32:47,734
There were a couple letters.
481
00:32:47,801 --> 00:32:50,203
After Emma was born, I
spoke to him by phone,
482
00:32:50,270 --> 00:32:52,005
but very little communication,
483
00:32:52,072 --> 00:32:58,111
and I felt kind of ashamed that I came
for the first time after he was dead.
484
00:32:59,380 --> 00:33:01,915
I'm sitting in Canberra,
which is the capital city
485
00:33:01,982 --> 00:33:03,617
three hours away from
where Scott died,
486
00:33:03,684 --> 00:33:07,054
and I realize I wanna
go talk to the police.
487
00:33:07,387 --> 00:33:12,760
So, I said let's drive up to Sydney
to the town where Scott died,
488
00:33:12,827 --> 00:33:14,461
which is called Manly,
489
00:33:14,528 --> 00:33:18,531
whose motto is, "Seven miles from
Sydney, a thousand miles from care."
490
00:33:18,598 --> 00:33:24,037
And I remember thinking, "He
was 10,000 miles from care."
491
00:33:28,375 --> 00:33:30,043
That I was unable to help him.
492
00:33:31,278 --> 00:33:36,316
I walked into the police station and met
with this young constable, Troy Hardie.
493
00:33:36,883 --> 00:33:42,722
And he was sympathetic, very friendly,
affable, "Sorry for your loss."
494
00:33:43,490 --> 00:33:46,760
And it dawned on me in the first
few minutes that we were talking
495
00:33:46,826 --> 00:33:50,230
that he had closed the case.
496
00:33:50,997 --> 00:33:53,667
I was asking questions like,
"Have we checked phone records?"
497
00:33:53,733 --> 00:33:56,437
"Have you taken his
picture along The Corso
498
00:33:56,503 --> 00:33:58,372
to see if anyone
recognizes him?"
499
00:33:58,439 --> 00:34:00,908
"What were his last
few movements?"
500
00:34:00,975 --> 00:34:03,243
"Have you talked to
any of his friends?"
501
00:34:03,310 --> 00:34:05,379
"Did you find a note?" "No,
we didn't find a note."
502
00:34:05,446 --> 00:34:07,381
"Where's Scott's
wallet?" "No wallet."
503
00:34:07,448 --> 00:34:09,082
He always carries this wallet.
504
00:34:09,149 --> 00:34:10,985
And he said, "Well, we
talked to the professor
505
00:34:11,052 --> 00:34:12,786
"who had called him
earlier in the day,
506
00:34:12,853 --> 00:34:15,956
"and we talked to his partner who said
he hadn't talked to him all week long,
507
00:34:16,023 --> 00:34:18,291
"and that's what we've done.
508
00:34:18,358 --> 00:34:22,062
"But did you know that your
brother was homosexual?
509
00:34:24,331 --> 00:34:28,335
"And this is where people
go to jump especially
510
00:34:29,737 --> 00:34:31,271
"homosexuals.
511
00:34:32,807 --> 00:34:34,508
"And by the way,
512
00:34:35,142 --> 00:34:38,913
"his boyfriend mentioned
something about Scott,
513
00:34:38,979 --> 00:34:43,584
at some point, had thought about
jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge."
514
00:34:43,917 --> 00:34:48,288
And... and I said, "I-I
have never heard this story.
515
00:34:50,123 --> 00:34:51,959
I-I-I don't know what
you're talking about."
516
00:34:52,025 --> 00:34:55,796
And he said, "Yeah, apparently,
there was a previous episode."
517
00:34:56,163 --> 00:34:58,632
And so, I had to find some
way to comprehend that
518
00:34:58,699 --> 00:34:59,900
while we walked out the door.
519
00:35:00,734 --> 00:35:03,337
It's only about a three-minute
drive from the police station,
520
00:35:03,403 --> 00:35:06,339
so it's very close to,
to the police station.
521
00:35:06,406 --> 00:35:07,908
So my head's wildly spinning.
522
00:35:07,975 --> 00:35:10,110
We park, we walk up the trail,
523
00:35:10,177 --> 00:35:14,748
and the constable steps up
on a few rock protrusions
524
00:35:14,815 --> 00:35:18,752
to get up to this smooth platform
about the size of a barn door.
525
00:35:36,369 --> 00:35:40,740
I started looking around to see if
there's a note that anyone missed.
526
00:35:40,807 --> 00:35:44,344
And then I started wondering
whether it was something...
527
00:35:44,945 --> 00:35:46,413
someone did on purpose.
528
00:35:48,782 --> 00:35:51,652
Was there an altercation?
Did they get into a fight?
529
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,420
Did he push him?
530
00:35:55,456 --> 00:35:58,358
So we spent a few minutes, it
was on the verge of raining,
531
00:35:58,425 --> 00:36:00,394
so we were kind of in a hurry,
532
00:36:00,460 --> 00:36:04,298
and it was dusk now,
so the sun was setting.
533
00:36:04,365 --> 00:36:07,434
So, we climbed down
off the platform
534
00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:10,470
and walked to our
respective cars,
535
00:36:10,537 --> 00:36:14,575
and the constable
thanked me, he was sorry,
536
00:36:14,642 --> 00:36:16,443
and that was, that was it.
537
00:36:16,944 --> 00:36:21,582
My initial finding of
suicide was done in good faith
538
00:36:21,649 --> 00:36:25,586
and was made on all the evidence
that was presented at the scene
539
00:36:25,652 --> 00:36:28,488
or lack of evidence that
was presented at the scene.
540
00:36:28,555 --> 00:36:32,525
He was found naked at the
bottom of the headland
541
00:36:32,592 --> 00:36:36,296
with his clothes neatly
folded at the top of the cliff
542
00:36:36,363 --> 00:36:39,733
with his identity clearly
displayed on top of those clothes
543
00:36:39,799 --> 00:36:41,167
when I first viewed them.
544
00:36:41,234 --> 00:36:43,904
I had evidence telling me
that... From Michael Noone that
545
00:36:43,971 --> 00:36:45,639
Scott had thought about suicide,
546
00:36:45,706 --> 00:36:48,542
and the time when I handed
it off to the detectives,
547
00:36:48,608 --> 00:36:52,279
there was no evidence there to
indicate anything other than suicide.
548
00:36:52,345 --> 00:36:55,949
And that was what I put in my
report of death to the coroner.
549
00:36:56,783 --> 00:37:01,155
The body
arrived at the mortuary
550
00:37:01,222 --> 00:37:02,956
and was formally
handed over by police.
551
00:37:03,023 --> 00:37:08,461
In terms of the process and
autopsy, it was very much approached
552
00:37:08,528 --> 00:37:11,398
as a suicide right
from the beginning.
553
00:37:12,466 --> 00:37:16,970
The toxicology testing, which was
in the form of an alcohol test,
554
00:37:17,037 --> 00:37:19,707
was negative.
555
00:37:19,773 --> 00:37:24,712
Testing was done for both HIV and
for Hepatitis B prior to autopsy
556
00:37:24,779 --> 00:37:26,313
and both were negative.
557
00:37:26,380 --> 00:37:27,824
At the time, I think
it's fair to say
558
00:37:27,848 --> 00:37:31,384
there were very significant
concerns about AIDS.
559
00:37:31,451 --> 00:37:33,520
I don't know, um,
560
00:37:33,587 --> 00:37:38,826
if I was aware of Scott's
sexual orientation at the time,
561
00:37:38,892 --> 00:37:43,931
but it was the case that
various groups of cases
562
00:37:43,997 --> 00:37:49,536
were routinely tested for HIV
and Scott was one of those cases.
563
00:37:51,404 --> 00:37:54,341
Scott's injuries involved
many parts of the body.
564
00:37:54,407 --> 00:37:58,578
There was injury to the chest,
there was injury to multiple limbs.
565
00:38:01,749 --> 00:38:06,687
There was severe, absolutely
unsurvivable head injury.
566
00:38:07,621 --> 00:38:12,659
Just very, very severe injury
absolutely incompatible with life.
567
00:38:14,628 --> 00:38:18,599
And I don't want this to come out wrong,
but it was, to me, a routine case.
568
00:38:18,665 --> 00:38:22,169
The pathologist isn't
there to solve crimes
569
00:38:22,236 --> 00:38:25,072
to start saying that, you know,
570
00:38:25,138 --> 00:38:29,243
Colonel Mustard with a
candlestick did it in the study.
571
00:38:29,310 --> 00:38:32,178
That's just not the way
forensic pathology works.
572
00:38:36,850 --> 00:38:41,455
- Suddenly, you get an email
which tells you that he's dead.
573
00:38:41,522 --> 00:38:45,192
And so, it was a very
significant shock.
574
00:38:45,258 --> 00:38:47,528
I regarded him as
somebody who had
575
00:38:47,595 --> 00:38:50,898
an excellent potential
future as an academic,
576
00:38:50,965 --> 00:38:54,067
which is what, I
believe, he wanted to do.
577
00:38:54,134 --> 00:38:56,369
I would not have...
578
00:38:56,436 --> 00:39:01,408
If somebody had asked me beforehand,
"Is Scott a potential suicide case?"
579
00:39:01,475 --> 00:39:04,211
I would have
absolutely rejected it.
580
00:39:04,979 --> 00:39:09,049
That Scott would commit
suicide didn't reconcile at all.
581
00:39:09,116 --> 00:39:13,153
He was happy and content, and
looking forward to, to finishing off
582
00:39:13,220 --> 00:39:16,290
and getting his PhD.
583
00:39:16,356 --> 00:39:20,260
Fourteenth is when the
notice appeared in the newspaper
584
00:39:21,362 --> 00:39:24,098
that said "no suspicious
circumstances."
585
00:39:25,132 --> 00:39:29,502
Police actually told the press there
were no suspicious circumstances.
586
00:39:34,641 --> 00:39:37,577
So I was pretty tied
in knots by this point,
587
00:39:37,644 --> 00:39:42,750
and I was not at all satisfied
that Scott committed suicide.
588
00:39:42,816 --> 00:39:46,954
What I decided to do next was
try to retrace Scott's steps,
589
00:39:47,021 --> 00:39:50,257
and I caught the
ferry out to Manly.
590
00:39:51,892 --> 00:39:54,261
It's a 30-minute ferry ride.
591
00:39:57,397 --> 00:40:00,133
And the first thing you do is
you pass the Sydney Opera House
592
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,601
and the Sydney Harbor Bridge,
593
00:40:01,668 --> 00:40:05,171
and it's one of the most
beautiful harbors in the world.
594
00:40:06,707 --> 00:40:09,977
Then, after about 20 minutes,
you can see the cliffs,
595
00:40:10,044 --> 00:40:12,779
and there's North
Head where Scott died.
596
00:40:14,381 --> 00:40:17,084
Before I went up to the cliffs,
I stopped at the police station
597
00:40:17,150 --> 00:40:19,153
to see Troy Hardie again.
598
00:40:19,653 --> 00:40:24,958
- Steve was, was very,
599
00:40:25,025 --> 00:40:26,226
um...
600
00:40:27,327 --> 00:40:28,728
What's the word I'm looking for?
601
00:40:28,795 --> 00:40:30,530
Very passionate
about his theories
602
00:40:30,597 --> 00:40:34,768
and the fact that his brother would
not have... committed suicide.
603
00:40:37,070 --> 00:40:40,174
I was really mystified.
604
00:40:40,574 --> 00:40:45,312
It just didn't seem possible
that he would've killed himself
605
00:40:45,379 --> 00:40:47,614
without saying goodbye.
606
00:40:48,081 --> 00:40:49,550
I couldn't imagine.
607
00:40:49,617 --> 00:40:52,352
He had his little niece
608
00:40:53,788 --> 00:40:55,956
who was six weeks old.
609
00:40:56,023 --> 00:40:58,425
He would've wanted
to see his niece.
610
00:40:58,692 --> 00:41:04,031
And the constable just listened
to me, expresses sympathy,
611
00:41:04,097 --> 00:41:06,666
and waited for me to leave.
612
00:41:08,468 --> 00:41:13,240
I decided, at that point, I had
more questions for his partner.
613
00:41:16,109 --> 00:41:21,481
I retraced my steps in reverse and
came back to Michael's parents' house.
614
00:41:21,881 --> 00:41:24,684
And I went for a
walk with Michael
615
00:41:24,751 --> 00:41:28,155
to ask him one more time what
was going on in their lives,
616
00:41:28,221 --> 00:41:31,592
you know, whether there
was a precipitating fight.
617
00:41:31,925 --> 00:41:35,395
And I said, "If you guys broke
up, that's totally understandable,
618
00:41:35,462 --> 00:41:40,367
"and I-I don't, I don't blame you for
anything Scott might have been doing,
619
00:41:40,434 --> 00:41:42,469
"um, being up there
with somebody else,
620
00:41:42,535 --> 00:41:46,406
accident, no accident,
suicide, it's not your fault."
621
00:41:46,873 --> 00:41:48,409
And he
622
00:41:49,310 --> 00:41:54,348
ran inside his house and told his parents
that I had accused him of killing Scott.
623
00:41:55,716 --> 00:41:59,419
His mother came out and told me I
was no longer welcome at the house.
624
00:41:59,486 --> 00:42:01,288
- And Steve called me
and he was just like,
625
00:42:01,355 --> 00:42:03,657
"Oh God," you know, "we
got into an argument,"
626
00:42:03,724 --> 00:42:05,792
and he was a little panicked,
627
00:42:05,859 --> 00:42:07,537
and he was like, "Rosemarie,
Rosemarie, Rosemarie,
628
00:42:07,561 --> 00:42:10,263
I don't know what's
happening down here."
629
00:42:11,232 --> 00:42:13,466
And so, I
flew back to America.
630
00:42:13,533 --> 00:42:15,769
But even on my trip back home
631
00:42:15,836 --> 00:42:19,739
and even during the funeral
that we had in California,
632
00:42:20,707 --> 00:42:23,144
I was far from
letting go of this.
633
00:42:23,210 --> 00:42:25,679
- We got too many dryers,
need more washers.
634
00:42:27,381 --> 00:42:29,416
- Okay, four hours
'til the New Year.
635
00:42:29,483 --> 00:42:31,418
I spent the rest of December
636
00:42:31,484 --> 00:42:34,154
typing up notes that I
took while I was in Sydney.
637
00:42:34,221 --> 00:42:39,526
And the third week after Scott died, the
Manley Police gets a 50-page document
638
00:42:39,593 --> 00:42:43,697
from the victim's family
with all these questions,
639
00:42:43,764 --> 00:42:48,469
kind of a punch list of questions I
thought police should go investigate.
640
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:53,307
My best friend, Chris Grace,
had gone into city politics
641
00:42:53,374 --> 00:42:55,408
and had gotten to know
Senator Ted Kennedy.
642
00:42:55,475 --> 00:43:00,380
And so, Ted Kennedy sent a letter
to the ambassador in Australia
643
00:43:00,447 --> 00:43:03,016
inquiring about Scott's death.
644
00:43:03,083 --> 00:43:06,753
Wasn't like I was bullying
or going overboard,
645
00:43:06,820 --> 00:43:09,923
uh, I just wanted to know
about why, why my brother died.
646
00:43:11,124 --> 00:43:14,662
So, I get a notice in February that
there's gonna be an inquest in March,
647
00:43:14,728 --> 00:43:18,465
which I learned was supposed
to be a matter of course.
648
00:43:19,066 --> 00:43:21,702
The coroner's
findings in the inquest
649
00:43:21,769 --> 00:43:27,607
was that it was a suicide choice
by Scott to end his own life.
650
00:43:30,510 --> 00:43:33,146
'Cause there was nothing there
to indicate anything different.
651
00:43:34,314 --> 00:43:37,484
So, between
the detective
652
00:43:37,551 --> 00:43:39,386
saying that Scott
disrobed and jumped,
653
00:43:39,452 --> 00:43:43,590
and his partner saying there
was a previous suicide attempt
654
00:43:43,657 --> 00:43:45,792
of uncertain date,
655
00:43:45,859 --> 00:43:47,628
that was the end of the inquest.
656
00:43:47,695 --> 00:43:51,731
And the coroner said, "And I'm
sorry to say, Mr. Johnson,"
657
00:43:51,798 --> 00:43:56,870
and he stared right at me, "that
your brother was introverted
658
00:43:56,937 --> 00:43:58,738
"and intelligent.
659
00:43:59,873 --> 00:44:01,308
"And unfortunately,
those are just
660
00:44:01,374 --> 00:44:04,444
"the type of people that
tend to commit suicide.
661
00:44:04,511 --> 00:44:06,813
Your brother committed suicide."
662
00:44:08,014 --> 00:44:11,184
Gaveled it closed and...
that was, that was
663
00:44:11,251 --> 00:44:16,289
the last official act on
Scott's case for 20 more years.
664
00:44:18,259 --> 00:44:20,127
- The police told us
that it was suicide,
665
00:44:20,194 --> 00:44:24,531
and that was the truth,
like the capital T truth.
666
00:44:25,231 --> 00:44:28,235
And that left us, as a
family, to figure out, like,
667
00:44:30,071 --> 00:44:32,272
how did we miss
668
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,041
that Scott could kill himself.
669
00:44:38,979 --> 00:44:40,447
Death is never easy
670
00:44:40,514 --> 00:44:44,351
and everybody goes through that
process in a different way.
671
00:44:44,418 --> 00:44:48,355
But Scott's death was always
like the big elephant in the room
672
00:44:48,422 --> 00:44:52,492
because, um... it was just
no getting away from it.
673
00:44:53,894 --> 00:44:58,999
We were just trying to
process what his suicide meant
674
00:44:59,066 --> 00:45:00,343
and how it could have come about
675
00:45:00,367 --> 00:45:02,803
because we were, on the
one hand, disbelieving
676
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:06,473
and on the other hand, it was the
reality that was in front of us.
677
00:45:06,540 --> 00:45:10,477
And... so we all then had our
own private, little hells,
678
00:45:10,544 --> 00:45:13,513
like our hells of how
we let Scott down.
679
00:45:15,015 --> 00:45:20,687
But after a while, it was just,
this is the hand we were dealt.
680
00:45:21,221 --> 00:45:23,924
And one way or
another, life went on.
681
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:26,393
Peek-a-boo.
682
00:45:28,695 --> 00:45:33,300
In 1990, my wife's
pregnant with our second child,
683
00:45:33,367 --> 00:45:37,371
and I'm interested in this
new computer revolution.
684
00:45:37,438 --> 00:45:39,673
So I started tinkering
in my garage.
685
00:45:40,607 --> 00:45:44,477
An electrical engineering
professor friend of mine at USC
686
00:45:44,544 --> 00:45:48,349
told me George Lucas was
just on campus and he told us
687
00:45:48,415 --> 00:45:52,086
movie theaters are gonna be receiving
movies digitally in the future
688
00:45:52,152 --> 00:45:54,888
and not in tin
cans on celluloid.
689
00:45:54,955 --> 00:45:58,225
You know, you need to be thinking
about digital image compression.
690
00:45:58,292 --> 00:46:01,528
And I got hooked on the
idea of solving the problem.
691
00:46:02,963 --> 00:46:05,766
My friend from grad
school quit his job,
692
00:46:05,833 --> 00:46:10,003
and we started a company with
our names, Johnson-Grace.
693
00:46:10,437 --> 00:46:11,638
- Kiss Emma.
694
00:46:14,207 --> 00:46:15,909
We just had, like, no money.
695
00:46:15,976 --> 00:46:17,411
The wolves were at the door.
696
00:46:17,478 --> 00:46:20,748
It was the worst time that
you could possibly think of.
697
00:46:20,814 --> 00:46:22,015
What?
698
00:46:22,716 --> 00:46:23,784
Me?
699
00:46:23,851 --> 00:46:25,819
But Steve just kept,
like, pluggin' away.
700
00:46:25,886 --> 00:46:31,091
He said, "I have an idea and I
think this is gonna be a good idea."
701
00:46:31,792 --> 00:46:33,727
This is now '93.
702
00:46:33,794 --> 00:46:35,762
When people were dialed
up to online services,
703
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:38,532
like America Online and
Prodigy and CompuServe,
704
00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:43,070
it took about an hour to
receive a full-screen image.
705
00:46:43,637 --> 00:46:46,239
And after about a year
and a half of tinkering,
706
00:46:46,306 --> 00:46:49,442
I came up with an algorithm
and that made that six seconds.
707
00:46:50,744 --> 00:46:53,447
This attracted the
attention of America Online.
708
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,983
They licensed my technology
for a lot of money.
709
00:46:57,050 --> 00:46:58,652
- Good morning, America Online.
710
00:46:58,718 --> 00:47:01,922
- And enabled me and Chris to hire
a few people and feed our families.
711
00:47:02,256 --> 00:47:06,126
The relationship with America Online
was with a very, very productive one.
712
00:47:06,193 --> 00:47:08,162
America Online bought
the company in '96,
713
00:47:08,228 --> 00:47:12,266
and then I went on to
run their R&D division
714
00:47:12,332 --> 00:47:14,134
for the rest of the decade,
715
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,038
which was a hell of a stint because
the internet became mainstream.
716
00:47:18,605 --> 00:47:23,243
It was the golden age for
nerds, and Scott missed it all.
717
00:47:27,414 --> 00:47:31,718
I think many times during the day,
"What would Scott think about this?"
718
00:47:31,785 --> 00:47:35,222
"How exciting this is, I
wanna share it with Scott."
719
00:47:35,289 --> 00:47:39,593
Um, this happens many
times a day still.
720
00:47:40,126 --> 00:47:43,496
You have great control
over the dog there, Scott.
721
00:47:47,701 --> 00:47:49,870
How do you teach
her to run away...?
722
00:47:49,937 --> 00:47:54,107
Scott really missed
something and the world missed him.
723
00:47:54,407 --> 00:47:57,978
He was this creative
mind, this elegant mind.
724
00:47:58,045 --> 00:47:59,413
What a team we would've made
725
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,282
but also, how much more
enjoyable life would've been.
726
00:48:06,587 --> 00:48:08,655
Now we have two
daughters and a son
727
00:48:08,722 --> 00:48:12,325
and how much... they
would've enjoyed their uncle.
728
00:48:15,395 --> 00:48:18,432
For years,
Scott's case is just quiet.
729
00:48:18,499 --> 00:48:19,967
You know, we talk about Scott
730
00:48:20,034 --> 00:48:23,336
and we just, just... He's just
a part of our lives the way
731
00:48:23,403 --> 00:48:26,106
we would talk about
anybody else who we miss.
732
00:48:27,674 --> 00:48:30,443
You know, so we just were
livin' our little lives.
733
00:48:33,513 --> 00:48:37,051
Basically, things were quiet.
734
00:48:37,117 --> 00:48:41,322
And then Michael... ya
know, thank you, Michael,
735
00:48:41,388 --> 00:48:44,591
Michael sent an
article to Steve.
736
00:48:45,859 --> 00:48:50,230
We learned about these men are
showing up at the bottom of cliffs.
737
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,067
And everything started again.
738
00:48:54,134 --> 00:48:56,203
In 1989 in Sydney,
739
00:48:56,270 --> 00:48:59,572
John Russell met his
death falling from a cliff
740
00:48:59,639 --> 00:49:03,277
the same year TV presenter
Ross Warren went missing,
741
00:49:03,344 --> 00:49:04,945
his body never found.
742
00:49:05,011 --> 00:49:10,351
Gilles Mattaini went for a walk
in 1984 and never returned.
743
00:49:10,417 --> 00:49:13,587
These three homosexual men
didn't know each other,
744
00:49:13,654 --> 00:49:18,792
but police believe they may all have
been the target of gay hate crimes.
745
00:49:18,859 --> 00:49:21,628
Police renewed their
investigations this year
746
00:49:21,695 --> 00:49:25,532
and today staged a reenactment
of Mr. Russell's death,
747
00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:29,336
pushing a dummy over
the cliff several times
748
00:49:29,403 --> 00:49:34,140
to gauge if the 31-year-old
fell or was pushed.
749
00:49:37,144 --> 00:49:38,612
I was in law school.
750
00:49:38,678 --> 00:49:41,681
It was literally my last
finals of law school,
751
00:49:41,748 --> 00:49:43,751
and Steve sent
me, like, an email
752
00:49:43,817 --> 00:49:47,587
with a bunch of attachments
of newspaper articles.
753
00:49:51,592 --> 00:49:56,129
And it was an
explanation that fit in a way that
754
00:49:57,064 --> 00:50:00,267
Scott killing himself never fit.
755
00:50:03,237 --> 00:50:06,873
In my mind, the
picture totally changed.
756
00:50:06,940 --> 00:50:09,385
Anyone who may have
information about the incidents...
757
00:50:09,409 --> 00:50:13,446
My
brother-in-law was pushed.
758
00:50:15,482 --> 00:50:19,687
And he was falling,
and he was afraid,
759
00:50:19,753 --> 00:50:21,555
and we weren't there.
760
00:50:21,888 --> 00:50:23,590
It was heartbreaking.
761
00:50:27,861 --> 00:50:30,997
I mean, the truth completely
changed and the world changed.
762
00:50:31,064 --> 00:50:33,767
Somebody took his life from him.
763
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,876
And then I thought,
764
00:50:42,943 --> 00:50:45,846
"And what is it gonna
do to my husband?"
765
00:50:45,913 --> 00:50:48,448
You know, "What is it
gonna do to Steve?"
766
00:50:50,617 --> 00:50:54,054
This is... It's not,
it's not closure, it's...
767
00:50:54,121 --> 00:50:58,158
It opens up a whole
different thing, you know?
768
00:51:00,927 --> 00:51:06,299
- I let go of even the remotest
chance that Scott had suicided.
769
00:51:07,534 --> 00:51:11,138
It was quite a windfall of
relief for me, in some sense.
770
00:51:11,472 --> 00:51:15,142
Although, suicide's
just another mystery.
771
00:51:15,209 --> 00:51:18,545
So I was trading that
mystery for this one.
772
00:51:18,612 --> 00:51:19,846
Who killed him?
773
00:51:19,913 --> 00:51:21,114
Why?
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