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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,162 WWW.MY-SUBS.CO 1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,640 In the criminal justice system the people are represented 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,080 by two separate yet equally important groups - 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,360 the police who investigate crime, 4 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:10,960 and the Crown prosecutors who prosecute offenders. 5 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:12,840 These are their stories. 6 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:16,720 It's an oxymoron. No, it's not. 7 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:20,600 Matty, what are you talking about? 8 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,560 Sausages are made from meat, not soya. 9 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:25,800 They certainly ain't made from vegetables. 10 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,040 Why should veggies be denied the pleasure of a sausage roll? 11 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,720 And it is half the fat. And half the taste. 12 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:33,920 I'm at the peak of my fitness. 13 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,040 Do not let this cuddly exterior fool you. 14 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,840 Blimey! Who died? 15 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,400 My office...now. 16 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,560 He's in there. 17 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:12,600 How could anyone? 18 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,120 He's five, maybe six. 19 00:01:44,320 --> 00:01:46,960 Looks like he's only been dead a few hours. 20 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:49,720 Contusions round the... 21 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,200 Are you OK, Joy? 22 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,080 Take your time, love. 23 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,080 Contusions round the neck. 24 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,280 Petichiae round the eyes. 25 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,280 A bang to the back of the head. 26 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,760 There's curvilinear abrasions here and here, 27 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:13,920 suggesting strangulation. 28 00:02:13,920 --> 00:02:16,040 And there's this. 29 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,520 Caused by something sharp and pointed, 30 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,000 bigger than a pin or a needle, though. 31 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,880 Looks like a letter R. 32 00:02:27,640 --> 00:02:29,400 What's that on his lips? 33 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,720 There was a popping noise when I moved him 34 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:33,840 to examine the head wound. 35 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,240 This was on the floor. 36 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,000 Someone's poured the whole lot into his mouth. 37 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,920 Crackle Candy. 38 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,000 Just when you think you've seen it all. 39 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,880 How can we have a body when the kid hasn't even been missed? 40 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,440 Cos the parents probably did it. 41 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,120 Maybe they're at work. It's half term. 42 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,880 Even the parents here with jobs can't afford a child minder. 43 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,200 They haven't even noticed he's missing. 44 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:54,840 Keep them as far away as possible. 45 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,960 There's CCTV all over this estate. They must have caught something. 46 00:03:59,960 --> 00:04:02,040 If you can find one that works. 47 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,320 I'll get Intel onto it. Talk to the kids. 48 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,560 See if any of their mates have gone AWOL. 49 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,160 Darren's in the park doing it with Shania Chapman. 50 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,440 How old's Darren? 11. 51 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:17,280 11. Whatever happened to a game of conkers? 52 00:04:17,280 --> 00:04:19,240 What's conkers? 53 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,600 Conor. Conor. 54 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,600 Conor. 55 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,440 What's happening here? You all right, son. What's up? 56 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,800 My brother Conor was supposed to meet me hours ago. 57 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,600 How old's your brother? Six. 58 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,440 When did you last see him? This morning. 59 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,360 I saw him. He was playing over there. 60 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,000 Then this smelly man come and took him. 61 00:04:46,840 --> 00:04:48,880 Baseball cap, 62 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,120 with like a beard. 63 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,560 And wearing a leather jacket. That's what you said. 64 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,680 And you saw him with Conor? 65 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,360 (MOBILE PHONE RINGS) He smelled like petrol. 66 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,440 Right. Devlin. 67 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,360 You were so close you could smell him? 68 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,720 He walked past her, didn't he? 69 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,800 When he walked past you, was Conor with him then? No. 70 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,880 He went in with Conor, but he come out on his own. OK. 71 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,680 They just picked up Conor's mum from work. 72 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,960 She's on her way to the mortuary. 73 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,160 (GENTLE SOUNDTRACK MUSIC) 74 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,480 I was late for work. 75 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,240 I didn't kiss him goodbye. 76 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:12,320 I'm very sorry, but we're going to need to ask you some questions. 77 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,440 Do you think he was really scared? 78 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:22,680 You've had some contact with Social Services over the kids? 79 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,880 My ex hit Liam once. 80 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,080 When I found out I packed his bags. 81 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,680 So there wasn't an adult you could leave him with? 82 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,160 You think I could afford a supernanny? 83 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:40,200 I work 12 hours a day to keep a roof over our heads. 84 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,160 I can't give up cos it's the school holidays. 85 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,240 So Liam looks after Conor while you're at work? Yeah. 86 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,320 Liam and the girls. 87 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,000 That's Paige Ward? Paige and her mate. 88 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,240 Always coming round asking if they can babysit. 89 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:59,800 Conor loved them. 90 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:03,760 Can I get Buddy back? 91 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,120 That's his toy dog. He took him everywhere. 92 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,040 Of course. We need to keep him a bit longer, 93 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:16,440 but we'll let you have him back as soon as we can. I promise. 94 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,720 Julie, have you ever seen this man around the estate? 95 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,280 We think he's a mechanic. 96 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,760 Yeah. He looks like my neighbour's boyfriend - Rob something. 97 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,920 No. He works at the garage on Cold Harbour Lane. 98 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:35,880 You think it was him? 99 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,560 Maybe you should call your brief. 100 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,560 I don't need one cos I know nothing about no little boy. 101 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:47,800 I'm a red-blooded bloke. Look under my mattress if you don't believe me. 102 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,040 A witness saw you take him into the flats. 103 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,600 Only, you came out alone and he ended up dead. 104 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,400 The boy lived in the flat next door to your girlfriend. 105 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,920 A witness spotted you abduct him. They need their eyes testing. 106 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,400 I banged on my missus' door for ten minutes. 107 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,400 Then I went back to work. Did anyone see you leave? 108 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,280 I don't know, do I? 109 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,560 There was a girl. There was a girl. 110 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,280 She must have been about twelve-ish. 111 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,880 That's it? Yeah. 112 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,320 She had like fair hair. 113 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:31,880 She was a skinny thing. 114 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,400 And an Arsenal shirt. 115 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,600 And this was at Lexden House? Right by the door, 116 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,320 like she was waiting for someone to come out. 117 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,120 Here's the problem, Paige. 118 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,880 You say you saw the man at the empty flats they're pulling down. 119 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,040 He went inside with Conor. 120 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,280 I don't like her playing near them flats. 121 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:03,440 We think you saw the man at Lexden House where Conor lived. 122 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,800 No. Are you sure it wasn't Lexden House? 123 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,040 It was Peldon. I ain't lying, Mum. 124 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,080 Paige don't tell lies. She's a good girl. 125 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,640 You've never been to Lexden House at any time? No. 126 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,280 Are you sure about that? I said, didn't I? I told you. 127 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,400 Why's he picking on me? We just need you to help us out. 128 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,680 Yeah. Would you like a drink? Want a cup of tea, Matty? 129 00:09:30,680 --> 00:09:32,480 Mrs Ward, would you like a cup of tea? 130 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,880 Cheers. Two sugars. OK. 131 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,400 I chewed my nails when I was a kid. 132 00:09:42,680 --> 00:09:44,880 Especially if I was nervous. 133 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:49,040 We had a teacher who'd bang his hand on the table when he saw me do it. 134 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,720 Of course, that only made me do it even more. 135 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,480 You chew your nails cos you're nervous, don't you? 136 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,000 The thing is, Paige, 137 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:02,840 we've spoken to the man that you saw with Conor. 138 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:07,440 He says you saw him at Lexden House where Conor lived. 139 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,800 He was by Peldon. And you're absolutely certain? 140 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:16,280 Cross my heart. I won't be angry if you've made a mistake. We all do. 141 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,720 If you don't believe her, you can ask her mate. 142 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:20,600 Joined at the hip them two. 143 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,560 Someone else saw what happened? 144 00:10:23,560 --> 00:10:26,760 Rose. She was with me the whole time. 145 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,080 Who is it? Police. 146 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,120 Open up, please. 147 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,000 Got a warrant? 148 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,160 Is your mum there, Rose? She's busy. 149 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,560 We just need you to open the door. 150 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,120 I'm only supposed to open the door if she screams. 151 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,280 Thank you. 152 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,440 I don't do threesomes. Your mate will have to wait. 153 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,200 Actually, we would like to talk to Rose 154 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,640 about the boy who died in the empty flats. 155 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,280 Rose don't know nothing about it. 156 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,520 Well, we think she could be a witness. 157 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,560 So we'd like you both to come to the station for a video ID. 158 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,040 Both girls picked out Denton from the video ID. 159 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,000 We have enough to charge him. 160 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,320 And Denton identified Paige outside the dead boy's flat. 161 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:54,600 Or he saw her at the murder scene. Denton has no previous with kids. 162 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,680 The cause of death was by manual strangulation. 163 00:11:58,680 --> 00:12:00,840 No signs of sexual assault. 164 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,920 He's been flying under the radar. The girls saw him. 165 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:07,000 I still think Paige is lying. Because she chews her nails? 166 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,920 It's just a feeling. We can talk to her again. 167 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,800 If the girls saw Denton take the kid, someone else must have. 168 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:15,400 Someone did. 169 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,280 There's something you need to see. 170 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,440 This is Denton outside his girlfriend's flat. 171 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,640 At 9:31 he heads towards the car park. 172 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,280 Then at 9:35... 173 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,800 Another camera picks them up heading towards Peldon House. 174 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,840 Please, God, tell me this isn't what I think it is. 175 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:01,920 Look at her. Face of an angel. 176 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,480 Paige seems to trust you. 177 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:08,680 You take Rose, but I want a CPS member watching the interviews. 178 00:13:08,680 --> 00:13:12,520 I want both girls arrested and cautioned before they speak. 179 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,280 You understand that you can have a solicitor here if you want one? 180 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,560 We don't need one. She ain't done nothing wrong, have you? No. 181 00:13:22,680 --> 00:13:24,600 OK. 182 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,400 I want to talk about what happened to little Conor. 183 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,360 'You went out to play with your friend Paige. Is that right?' 184 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,600 'Yeah. We played football.' 'OK.' 185 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,280 Do you know Conor - You know she does. 186 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,720 Miss Shaw, I need Rose to answer. Come on, then. 187 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,600 Rose, did you go to Conor's flat the morning he died? 188 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,480 Yeah. Liam left him alone. 189 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,960 So you and Paige took him out to play? 190 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,480 It ain't nice being left alone. Will this take much longer? 191 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,480 Is there somewhere you need to be? I can get a social worker. 192 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:05,240 You don't know me. Just get on with it, yeah? 193 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,960 Where did you take Conor to play? 194 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,120 By Peldon House. 195 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,320 But then this man come and took Conor inside. 196 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,400 You know that's where we found Conor, Peldon House? 197 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,160 Did he just lay down and die? 198 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,040 I think you know how he died, Rose. 199 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,400 I don't think there was any man there at all. 200 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,240 Yes, there was a man. Look, the man took him. 201 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,440 Ask him what happened to Conor. 202 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,240 I don't think you're telling me the truth. Yes, I am! 203 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:49,280 You can call that social worker. Mum, you can't leave me. 204 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:53,080 Just listen to what he says. You say, "No comment." 205 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,520 I want to go home with my mum. Stay there. 206 00:14:55,520 --> 00:15:00,240 I used to sit in these rooms just as twitchy as you. Calm down. 207 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:00,320 I used to sit in these rooms just as twitchy as you. Calm down. 208 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,760 Kelly, listen to me. 209 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:06,920 I was worrying about when I'd get my next drink. 210 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,640 Mum! Shut up! 211 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:14,200 Kelly! Today could be the first day you don't use. You do have a choice. 212 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,080 Your habit or your daughter. 213 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:21,560 Mum. Mum! Mum! Mum, please! 214 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,200 (SLURPS DRINK) 215 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:30,840 (SLURPS DRINK) 216 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,040 So you like Arsenal? 217 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,920 They're the best. It's OK to support them if you're from South London 218 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,600 cos really they're from Woolwich. They moved north in the past. 219 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:44,560 That's right. And you have number 11 on your shirt. Van Persie? 220 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,280 Rachel Yankey done this talk at our school. Arsenal Ladies. 221 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,680 It's all she goes on about. 222 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,040 Maybe one day you'll be the next Yankey. 223 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,600 I'll never be as good as her. I played a bit as a kid. 224 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:00,120 We had a scout from Arsenal come round our school. 225 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,960 Only, I was so nervous about not being picked 226 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,880 I pulled a sickie. So you didn't even try? 227 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:10,360 I wanted to, but the truth is I was too scared of messing up. 228 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,640 I've never told anyone that before. I feel better now I've told you. 229 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,000 You know when you try and keep a secret, 230 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:24,440 and you wanna tell, it sort of hurts to keep it inside. 231 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:24,480 and you wanna tell, it sort of hurts to keep it inside. 232 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,680 If you share it with a friend, it feels better. 233 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,800 You see, Paige, I think you have a secret 234 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,200 about what happened to little Conor. 235 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:37,960 And we're friends, aren't we? 236 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,280 Let me share your secret. 237 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,040 Make it stop hurting. 238 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,080 Mum. 239 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,400 She's so close I can smell it. 240 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,600 When my girls were little, I took them to the fair one Sunday. 241 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,480 We were queuing up. I was paying for them to go on this ride. 242 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,520 A typical Sunday dad, over-compensating. 243 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,480 I've got toys and prizes I'd won. 244 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,960 Pop corn. Candy floss. All that stuff. 245 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,560 I turned round, and the little un' had gone. 246 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,240 Just disappeared, and the place was mobbed. 247 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,480 That is really, truly frightening to me. 248 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:42,400 Do you know where she was? 249 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,560 And me a copper, an' all! 250 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,720 She'd sneaked into the stall next door, 251 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,800 and was trying to nick a goldfish. 252 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,600 (SIGHS) I tell you, kids, mate! 253 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,880 It's frightening. 254 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,000 We should get back in there. 255 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,880 Yeah. 256 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,000 Just give us a minute. 257 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,560 Tell me it ain't true you got them girls in there. 258 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,760 They wouldn't hurt my Conor. They wouldn't! 259 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,640 We're just talking to them at the moment. 260 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,560 But they're just kids. Tell me they didn't do it! 261 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,440 Please, I need it. (SOBS) 262 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,080 That's you, isn't it, Paige? 263 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,960 Number 11, like Rachel Yankey. 264 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,280 And that's Rose, isn't it? 265 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,400 And that's Conor. 266 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,000 You see, there's cameras all over the estate. 267 00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:03,400 They take pictures of people walking about, 268 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:04,920 going in and out of the blocks. 269 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:10,120 This picture was taken about 20 minutes before Conor died. 270 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,960 There's other pictures that show the man you picked out 271 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,840 leaving the estate before Conor died. 272 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,640 Do you think mum realises just how serious this is? 273 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,680 Who wants to believe their kid's involved with something like this? 274 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,200 The poor woman's in shock. 275 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,640 I would be if that was one of my girls sat there. 276 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,720 Maybe we should get Matt to ask again if they want a brief. 277 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,240 She's gonna spill any second. 278 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:54,200 You know I love you, babe, no matter what you done. 279 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,880 You have to tell the policeman the truth. 280 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,320 Who went into Peldon House with Conor? 281 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,320 Just me and Rose. 282 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,360 And little Conor. We took him. 283 00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:11,200 And did someone hurt Conor? 284 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:14,240 He was crying. 285 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,120 He wanted his mum. 286 00:20:18,120 --> 00:20:20,440 And Rose put her hands around his neck. 287 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,680 He tried to get her off, 288 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,160 but he fell back and banged his head against the wall. 289 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,800 It's OK, baby. It's OK. 290 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,360 What happened next, Paige? She got on top of him. 291 00:20:36,360 --> 00:20:38,480 'Started squeezing his neck again. 292 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,880 When she got off he just lay there.' 293 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,400 And then she got out this compass, 294 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,320 like we use in Maths, 295 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,400 and told me to scratch my name on his tummy. 296 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:57,680 And you did it? 297 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,600 I only did the P. 298 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,080 I couldn't do the rest. 299 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,480 Then she took it off me, 300 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,920 and done another line to make it an R for Rose. 301 00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:16,920 Can we go home now? 302 00:21:23,100 --> 00:21:26,140 'Police have arrested two girls aged 10 and 13 303 00:21:26,140 --> 00:21:29,900 on suspicion of the murder of five-year-old Conor Reid. 304 00:21:29,900 --> 00:21:33,780 Conor was found dead at the Kelvedon Estate last week. 305 00:21:33,780 --> 00:21:37,700 It's believed the girls were moved to a secret location last night 306 00:21:37,700 --> 00:21:42,260 after the police station came under siege from angry protestors.' 307 00:21:42,260 --> 00:21:42,380 after the police station came under siege from angry protestors.' 308 00:21:42,380 --> 00:21:45,940 This is getting out of hand, and we haven't even charged them. 309 00:21:45,940 --> 00:21:49,940 Little girl killers - the public can't stomach it. 310 00:21:49,940 --> 00:21:51,820 It's understandable. 311 00:21:55,700 --> 00:21:57,620 Kids killing kids. 312 00:21:59,020 --> 00:22:00,940 This is as bad as it gets. 313 00:22:03,020 --> 00:22:05,180 What are the girls saying? 314 00:22:05,180 --> 00:22:08,340 They blame each other. What about the forensics? 315 00:22:08,340 --> 00:22:11,860 The girls were tested too late for contact trace evidence. 316 00:22:11,860 --> 00:22:14,980 We're waiting on the analysis of their clothing. 317 00:22:14,980 --> 00:22:18,260 Till then there's no way to know who is telling the truth? 318 00:22:18,260 --> 00:22:21,220 The police believe Paige is telling the truth, 319 00:22:21,220 --> 00:22:24,260 that Rose is the killer. She cooperated fully. 320 00:22:24,260 --> 00:22:26,940 She'll give evidence against Rose in court. 321 00:22:26,940 --> 00:22:30,740 What does her brief want in return? A Section 73 agreement. 322 00:22:30,740 --> 00:22:33,180 Paige has given a statement 323 00:22:33,180 --> 00:22:37,460 detailing exactly how Rose Shaw killed Conor Reid. 324 00:22:37,460 --> 00:22:40,460 She's a witness, nothing more. 325 00:22:40,460 --> 00:22:44,900 Your client carved her initial into the dead boy's skin. 326 00:22:44,900 --> 00:22:47,940 She colluded with her friend to concoct a story. 327 00:22:47,940 --> 00:22:51,140 Under duress from Rose Shaw. Come on, Luke! 328 00:22:51,140 --> 00:22:54,660 Rose is three years younger than your client. 329 00:22:54,660 --> 00:22:59,100 And bright as a button. Paige has learning difficulties. 330 00:22:59,100 --> 00:23:04,180 The police believe Rose Shaw acted alone. A jury will, too. 331 00:23:06,660 --> 00:23:09,660 Paige pleads guilty to assisting an offender. 332 00:23:09,660 --> 00:23:14,140 She's practically handing you Rose Shaw with bells on. 333 00:23:14,140 --> 00:23:14,260 She's practically handing you Rose Shaw with bells on. 334 00:23:14,260 --> 00:23:16,860 The least you can do is drop the charges. 335 00:23:16,860 --> 00:23:20,300 That's the deal. Take it or leave it. 336 00:23:20,300 --> 00:23:22,980 We sign that agreement, there's no going back. 337 00:23:22,980 --> 00:23:25,940 Paige gets immunity except on assisting an offender. 338 00:23:27,300 --> 00:23:29,340 OK. Get the papers signed. 339 00:23:29,340 --> 00:23:32,220 But we charge Rose with murder. 340 00:23:32,220 --> 00:23:34,180 Who's her brief? 341 00:23:34,180 --> 00:23:36,700 You so don't want to know. 342 00:23:36,700 --> 00:23:39,340 Come on. How bad can it be? 343 00:23:40,980 --> 00:23:44,580 There he is, Balls of Steel. 344 00:23:44,580 --> 00:23:47,660 Kim. You don't call. You don't write. 345 00:23:47,660 --> 00:23:50,380 You didn't seriously expect any deals? 346 00:23:50,380 --> 00:23:55,700 You did get my email? Don't tell me it's still floating in cyberspace. 347 00:23:55,700 --> 00:23:55,820 You did get my email? Don't tell me it's still floating in cyberspace. 348 00:23:56,980 --> 00:24:00,620 I told our new clerk when we need to disclose something to the Crown 349 00:24:00,620 --> 00:24:03,340 now means now. What are you disclosing? 350 00:24:05,060 --> 00:24:08,020 I've brought you a spare copy just in case. 351 00:24:19,420 --> 00:24:21,300 Deep breaths. 352 00:24:25,940 --> 00:24:28,980 Rose Shaw is ten years old. 353 00:24:28,980 --> 00:24:32,580 She played no part in this horrific crime, 354 00:24:32,580 --> 00:24:36,420 and is devastated to learn her best friend says otherwise. 355 00:24:36,420 --> 00:24:39,780 I ask you to release this poor child into her mother's care. 356 00:24:39,780 --> 00:24:43,060 Miss Sharkey, much as it irks me to have to consider 357 00:24:43,060 --> 00:24:46,340 locking up a ten-year-old, Paige Ward has your client 358 00:24:46,340 --> 00:24:50,100 choking a boy to death with her bare hands. 359 00:24:50,100 --> 00:24:53,140 I simply cannot ignore such a statement. 360 00:24:53,140 --> 00:24:57,060 Indeed you cannot, My Lord, were said statement taken legally. 361 00:24:57,060 --> 00:25:00,660 However...I suggest that is not the case, 362 00:25:00,660 --> 00:25:04,380 and hereby apply to have Paige Ward's interview excluded. 363 00:25:04,380 --> 00:25:09,020 I request an immediate adjournment. The Crown have not been informed of any such application. 364 00:25:09,020 --> 00:25:09,260 I request an immediate adjournment. The Crown have not been informed of any such application. 365 00:25:09,260 --> 00:25:14,500 And yet Miss Phillips appears to have a copy right there in front of her. 366 00:25:14,500 --> 00:25:14,860 And yet Miss Phillips appears to have a copy right there in front of her. 367 00:25:14,860 --> 00:25:17,860 Because you handed it over five minutes ago. 368 00:25:17,860 --> 00:25:20,900 Either it was disclosed or it was not, Mr Steel. 369 00:25:20,900 --> 00:25:23,300 Continue, Ms Sharkey. 370 00:25:25,260 --> 00:25:28,540 At her interview, Paige was not accompanied by a solicitor 371 00:25:28,540 --> 00:25:30,900 or an appropriate adult. 372 00:25:30,900 --> 00:25:35,300 She was accompanied by her mother who refused legal representation. 373 00:25:35,300 --> 00:25:38,580 A woman with an IQ below a 12-year-old's. 374 00:25:38,580 --> 00:25:42,060 Unlike their morals, which my colleague shares. 375 00:25:42,060 --> 00:25:46,900 Miss Sharkey, Mr Steel, my chambers now, please. 376 00:25:46,900 --> 00:25:50,500 After meeting Paige's mother I had her IQ tested. 377 00:25:51,620 --> 00:25:55,700 We also found she has learning difficulties and mild autism. 378 00:25:55,700 --> 00:25:58,340 There wasn't time to second-guess her IQ. 379 00:25:58,340 --> 00:26:01,260 The police had act quickly to gather evidence. 380 00:26:01,260 --> 00:26:05,860 They coerced a 13-year old girl into saying what they wanted to hear. 381 00:26:05,860 --> 00:26:10,260 They bribed her with a meal, and chatted about her hobbies. 382 00:26:10,260 --> 00:26:10,420 They bribed her with a meal, and chatted about her hobbies. 383 00:26:10,420 --> 00:26:13,060 The officer was creating a bond of trust. 384 00:26:13,060 --> 00:26:16,460 They assumed the mother would intervene if she was unhappy. 385 00:26:16,460 --> 00:26:20,420 She wouldn't have intervened if DS Devlin had danced the fandango. 386 00:26:20,420 --> 00:26:22,820 The only one making a song and dance is you. 387 00:26:22,820 --> 00:26:25,780 What have you got for your finale - Enough! 388 00:26:27,500 --> 00:26:29,700 The whole point of an appropriate adult 389 00:26:29,700 --> 00:26:32,980 is to safeguard the rights and welfare of young people in custody. 390 00:26:34,700 --> 00:26:36,860 I intend to play this one with a straight bat. 391 00:26:39,660 --> 00:26:42,020 I'm granting Ms Sharkey's application 392 00:26:42,020 --> 00:26:43,940 to exclude the statement. 393 00:26:48,220 --> 00:26:51,580 That statement put Rose's hands round Conor's neck. 394 00:26:53,140 --> 00:26:56,420 The Section 73 based on it, now we can't even use it! 395 00:26:56,420 --> 00:27:00,340 You must have realised Tina Ward wasn't an appropriate adult. 396 00:27:00,340 --> 00:27:02,540 Do I look like Derren Brown? 397 00:27:02,540 --> 00:27:05,140 She came across like half the adults we meet. 398 00:27:05,140 --> 00:27:07,820 We don't deal with Mensa candidates. 399 00:27:07,820 --> 00:27:12,620 Any other judge would have thrown Sharkey out of court. Blame Justice Pedotti. 400 00:27:12,620 --> 00:27:12,660 Any other judge would have thrown Sharkey out of court. Blame Justice Pedotti. 401 00:27:14,060 --> 00:27:17,300 Do we have a case without that statement? 402 00:27:17,300 --> 00:27:21,740 Please tell me forensics will confirm Rose's guilt. 403 00:27:21,740 --> 00:27:26,020 Without a doubt. Conor's DNA will be all over Rose Shaw's clothing. 404 00:27:28,980 --> 00:27:31,500 Let's get this over with, then. 405 00:27:33,340 --> 00:27:37,420 We represent Conor, which means we represent you. 406 00:27:39,380 --> 00:27:42,420 We're certain the forensic analysis of the girl's clothing 407 00:27:42,420 --> 00:27:46,060 will give us the evidence we need to put Rose behind bars for a long time. 408 00:27:46,060 --> 00:27:48,220 She'll go to prison? 409 00:27:48,220 --> 00:27:52,140 Initially she'll remain in secure local authority care. 410 00:27:52,140 --> 00:27:55,980 When she's old enough she'll go to a young offenders' institution. 411 00:27:55,980 --> 00:27:58,180 Then an adult prison. 412 00:27:58,180 --> 00:28:02,500 Her whole childhood. She won't be released until her early 20s. 413 00:28:04,460 --> 00:28:08,420 I saw this woman on the news last night. 414 00:28:08,420 --> 00:28:11,180 She said Rose Shaw was Satan reborn, 415 00:28:12,660 --> 00:28:15,660 that they should bring back hanging just for her. 416 00:28:15,660 --> 00:28:18,540 I've never heard so much hate in someone's voice. 417 00:28:19,460 --> 00:28:22,180 Public feeling is very strong. 418 00:28:22,180 --> 00:28:24,940 All these flowers on the estate, 419 00:28:24,940 --> 00:28:28,340 sack loads of cards every day like they all knew him. 420 00:28:28,340 --> 00:28:32,220 All of them out there feeding off my boy's death. 421 00:28:33,020 --> 00:28:34,940 Then it takes over their lives. 422 00:28:36,940 --> 00:28:38,860 It's like they need it. 423 00:28:40,500 --> 00:28:42,420 The funny thing is all I want... 424 00:28:44,300 --> 00:28:46,220 ..all I need is to let it go. 425 00:28:47,220 --> 00:28:49,740 The trial can help you do that. 426 00:28:49,740 --> 00:28:51,660 Sending her to prison won't help me. 427 00:28:54,100 --> 00:28:56,020 It won't bring my boy back. 428 00:29:00,380 --> 00:29:04,380 Most victims' families find it gives them a sense of closure. 429 00:29:04,380 --> 00:29:07,420 Closure? This ain't closure. 430 00:29:09,020 --> 00:29:10,940 This is revenge. 431 00:29:12,220 --> 00:29:14,540 No, that little girl don't deserve it. 432 00:29:14,540 --> 00:29:16,500 She's been through enough. 433 00:29:16,500 --> 00:29:20,020 We live on the same estate. I know what goes on in there. 434 00:29:22,020 --> 00:29:24,940 She broke the law in the most terrible way. 435 00:29:24,940 --> 00:29:26,820 She's a child. 436 00:29:28,220 --> 00:29:32,180 Want to hide her behind a ten-foot wall so no-one has to look at her? 437 00:29:32,180 --> 00:29:36,940 No-one has to ask her who's really responsible for Conor's death? 438 00:29:36,940 --> 00:29:37,020 No-one has to ask her who's really responsible for Conor's death? 439 00:29:37,020 --> 00:29:38,940 No. 440 00:29:38,940 --> 00:29:41,500 No, no. It's too easy. 441 00:29:42,940 --> 00:29:45,620 Prosecuting kids is never easy. 442 00:29:46,540 --> 00:29:48,620 My Conor, he used to... 443 00:29:48,620 --> 00:29:51,220 he liked to draw them pictures, 444 00:29:51,220 --> 00:29:54,300 the ones where you put the paint through straws. 445 00:29:56,860 --> 00:29:58,780 He loved dogs. 446 00:30:01,740 --> 00:30:04,540 That's how I wanna remember him. 447 00:30:05,860 --> 00:30:08,220 My happy little boy. 448 00:30:09,780 --> 00:30:12,100 I don't want my memories clouded by hate. 449 00:30:14,140 --> 00:30:19,140 Would you want your son brought up in a world with no hope? 450 00:30:22,820 --> 00:30:26,020 You can't save Conor. 451 00:30:27,140 --> 00:30:29,060 But you can save her. 452 00:30:30,420 --> 00:30:33,460 Yeah, you can give Rosie Shaw a life. 453 00:30:34,500 --> 00:30:36,340 You can forgive her? 454 00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:39,380 I hate what she did 455 00:30:39,380 --> 00:30:43,020 with every bone in my body, but... 456 00:30:47,340 --> 00:30:49,260 ..but I'm a mum. 457 00:30:51,020 --> 00:30:53,380 I can't hate a child. 458 00:30:56,540 --> 00:30:58,980 You say you represent me, 459 00:30:58,980 --> 00:31:01,740 then this is what you do. 460 00:31:01,740 --> 00:31:05,620 You make Conor's life mean something. 461 00:31:05,620 --> 00:31:10,380 You find out why she did it, and you get that little girl help. 462 00:31:17,140 --> 00:31:19,100 We have to help her. 463 00:31:20,220 --> 00:31:22,700 We can't just drop a murder charge. 464 00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:26,860 The DPP will have your balls and mine. Not just the DPP. 465 00:31:26,860 --> 00:31:29,820 The Attorney General wants Rose convicted of murder. 466 00:31:29,820 --> 00:31:33,300 So that's it. Our hands are tied. 467 00:31:34,420 --> 00:31:36,340 Not on my watch. 468 00:31:36,340 --> 00:31:38,220 You heard what Mrs Reid wants. 469 00:31:39,940 --> 00:31:42,060 What do we do? 470 00:31:42,060 --> 00:31:44,020 My granddaughter is the same age. 471 00:31:45,460 --> 00:31:49,180 She spends her time riding ponies and making daisy chains. 472 00:31:50,420 --> 00:31:53,020 I want to know what makes a girl of ten 473 00:31:53,020 --> 00:31:55,420 put her hands round a child's neck, 474 00:31:55,420 --> 00:31:57,580 and squeeze the life out of him. 475 00:32:01,980 --> 00:32:05,060 Rose, did you worry what your mum was doing with these men? 476 00:32:06,420 --> 00:32:10,980 My mum says that psychiatrists mess up your brain waves. 477 00:32:10,980 --> 00:32:13,660 Is that what you're gonna do to me? 478 00:32:14,420 --> 00:32:18,860 Dr Marsh believes the abuse changed the physiology of Rose's nervous system, 479 00:32:18,860 --> 00:32:19,420 Dr Marsh believes the abuse changed the physiology of Rose's nervous system, 480 00:32:19,420 --> 00:32:23,300 which means her responsibility was diminished at the killing. 481 00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:26,100 We offer Sharkey a deal, then, 482 00:32:27,140 --> 00:32:29,180 get Rose the help she needs. 483 00:32:29,180 --> 00:32:32,780 The police just called. Forensics are in. 484 00:32:33,940 --> 00:32:36,740 Are you sure? Forensics don't lie. Kids do. 485 00:32:36,740 --> 00:32:38,940 But everyone was so certain. 486 00:32:38,940 --> 00:32:43,700 There are 148 microscopic spots of blood on the front of her shirt. 487 00:32:43,700 --> 00:32:45,660 Which means that when the boy died, 488 00:32:45,660 --> 00:32:48,820 the one with her hands around his throat was Paige Ward. 489 00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:55,100 We have a Section 73 signed and sealed. 490 00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:58,940 You can't charge Paige with anything further in this case. 491 00:32:58,940 --> 00:33:01,900 Your client had Conor's blood all over her shirt. 492 00:33:04,380 --> 00:33:06,860 Which means that when Conor Reid died 493 00:33:06,860 --> 00:33:10,300 the person in contact with him was indeed Paige, 494 00:33:10,300 --> 00:33:12,740 and not Rose Shaw. 495 00:33:12,740 --> 00:33:14,780 It isn't true. It was Rose. 496 00:33:14,780 --> 00:33:18,340 Must I remind you again, gentlemen, 497 00:33:18,340 --> 00:33:20,980 my client isn't here to be interrogated. 498 00:33:20,980 --> 00:33:24,060 Paige, you trust me, don't you? 499 00:33:26,140 --> 00:33:28,460 I need you to tell me the truth. 500 00:33:28,460 --> 00:33:31,660 We can walk out of here right now. 501 00:33:31,660 --> 00:33:35,860 It's not what you think. You don't have to say another word. 502 00:33:35,860 --> 00:33:40,020 I want to explain. After she done it, Rose just left. 503 00:33:40,860 --> 00:33:42,820 I picked Conor up, 504 00:33:42,820 --> 00:33:46,180 but he made this noise, like a cough sort of. 505 00:33:46,180 --> 00:33:49,740 Why did you move him? I wanted to take him home to his mum. 506 00:33:49,740 --> 00:33:51,900 But then Rose come back with the compass. 507 00:33:51,900 --> 00:33:54,300 I swear I didn't hurt Conor. 508 00:33:55,620 --> 00:33:58,380 I put the toys there in case he got lonely. 509 00:34:00,300 --> 00:34:03,300 The pathologist has re-examined Conor's body. 510 00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:05,620 He found pulmonary interstitial emphysema - 511 00:34:05,620 --> 00:34:08,180 a build up of pressure in Conor's lungs 512 00:34:08,180 --> 00:34:11,020 caused by blood blocking the airways. 513 00:34:11,020 --> 00:34:14,380 It could have been released when Paige lifted him up 514 00:34:14,380 --> 00:34:17,460 or when she was choking him. 515 00:34:17,460 --> 00:34:20,220 So much for forensics proving which one did it. 516 00:34:21,140 --> 00:34:23,540 Sharkey will have a field day with this. 517 00:34:23,540 --> 00:34:25,300 Maybe not. 518 00:34:26,220 --> 00:34:28,780 According to the forensic report, 519 00:34:28,780 --> 00:34:32,100 there were seven curvilinear abrasions on Conor's neck. 520 00:34:32,100 --> 00:34:36,220 Three at the front were made by Conor trying to prise his attacker's hands off. 521 00:34:36,220 --> 00:34:38,940 Four at the back made by his attacker choking him. 522 00:34:38,940 --> 00:34:41,180 The report said without finding Conor's skin 523 00:34:41,180 --> 00:34:43,380 in the fingernail scrapings 524 00:34:43,380 --> 00:34:45,820 there was no way to know which girl made them. 525 00:34:45,820 --> 00:34:48,540 But Paige's fingernails are bitten to the quick. 526 00:34:50,020 --> 00:34:52,940 The nail marks on the back of Conor's neck. 527 00:34:52,940 --> 00:34:57,500 Rose Shaw has a defect on the nail of her left forefinger. 528 00:34:57,500 --> 00:35:00,580 The same defect can be seen in those marks. 529 00:35:00,580 --> 00:35:04,980 148 spots of blood on a shirt spell murder to a jury. 530 00:35:04,980 --> 00:35:08,780 Four nail marks spell a bit of rough play. 531 00:35:08,780 --> 00:35:11,340 You should give juries more credit, Kim. 532 00:35:11,340 --> 00:35:14,180 Lucky for you we don't intend to put this to a jury. 533 00:35:14,180 --> 00:35:16,900 A deal? I'll accept a manslaughter plea 534 00:35:16,900 --> 00:35:19,060 due to diminished responsibility. 535 00:35:19,060 --> 00:35:21,860 Rose gets a hospital order with a Section 41 restriction. 536 00:35:21,860 --> 00:35:24,220 You want to put her in hospital? 537 00:35:24,220 --> 00:35:27,300 Don't you? Rose needs treatment. 538 00:35:28,420 --> 00:35:30,860 Thanks, but no thanks. 539 00:35:30,860 --> 00:35:33,820 I'm giving your client a way out of a murder charge. 540 00:35:33,820 --> 00:35:37,660 It's in Rose's best interests to have someone try and fix her. 541 00:35:37,660 --> 00:35:41,140 The child's a monster. I doubt anyone could fix her. 542 00:35:41,140 --> 00:35:45,220 You're only offering a deal because you're worried I'll win. 543 00:35:45,220 --> 00:35:49,180 Forget Rose. You just don't want to give up your 15 minutes. 544 00:35:49,180 --> 00:35:52,940 Cases like this come along once in a lifetime. 545 00:35:52,940 --> 00:35:56,460 They're career makers. This isn't a short cut to silk! 546 00:35:56,460 --> 00:35:59,220 It's a child's life. Do calm down, James, 547 00:35:59,220 --> 00:36:01,860 or you'll be comparing ulcers with George. 548 00:36:03,580 --> 00:36:07,380 The jury are going to see a very pretty little girl 549 00:36:07,380 --> 00:36:10,620 and hear how the Crown made a deal with a teenager 550 00:36:10,620 --> 00:36:13,340 who had the victim's blood all over her shirt. 551 00:36:14,540 --> 00:36:16,500 I know who I'd believe. 552 00:36:18,380 --> 00:36:20,580 She's a killer. 553 00:36:20,580 --> 00:36:23,700 When the jury see photographs of a strangled five-year-old, 554 00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:26,180 they'll want her in a prison cell. 555 00:36:26,180 --> 00:36:30,660 The prison system can't provide the treatment this girl needs. 556 00:36:30,660 --> 00:36:31,260 The prison system can't provide the treatment this girl needs. 557 00:36:31,260 --> 00:36:33,580 Why the preoccupation about treatment? 558 00:36:33,580 --> 00:36:37,420 The public don't care about treating killers. They ought to. 559 00:36:37,420 --> 00:36:40,100 If we send her to hospital, she will be released 560 00:36:40,100 --> 00:36:43,180 only if and when she's no longer a danger. 561 00:36:43,180 --> 00:36:47,260 Justice Pedotti will make sure she gets a minimum of 12 years. 562 00:36:47,260 --> 00:36:51,020 There's no votes in being soft on children who commit crimes. 563 00:36:51,020 --> 00:36:54,980 I don't decide on the basis of what gets the Home Secretary most votes. 564 00:36:54,980 --> 00:36:57,380 Lock her away, and you might as well kill her. 565 00:36:57,380 --> 00:37:02,220 I'm not asking. As Director of Public Prosecutions, I'm telling. 566 00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:04,340 You try that girl for murder... 567 00:37:04,340 --> 00:37:06,260 and you make sure she's convicted. 568 00:37:13,940 --> 00:37:18,060 That woman was put on this earth just to irritate my duodenum. 569 00:37:18,060 --> 00:37:21,300 Whatever it takes, you guarantee that that jury find 570 00:37:21,300 --> 00:37:24,220 on manslaughter, diminished responsibility, 571 00:37:24,220 --> 00:37:27,820 and not murder. I want that girl in a hospital, not a prison. 572 00:37:27,820 --> 00:37:30,060 What about the DPP? Screw the DPP? 573 00:37:30,060 --> 00:37:32,060 I answer to Conor's mother on this one. 574 00:37:34,340 --> 00:37:37,860 Dr Guinott talks about kids being like white cement. 575 00:37:37,860 --> 00:37:40,660 Whatever falls on them makes an impression. 576 00:37:40,660 --> 00:37:43,100 In Rose's case, her abusive upbringing 577 00:37:43,100 --> 00:37:46,340 means she has a callous lack of concern for others. 578 00:37:46,340 --> 00:37:48,220 So she lashes out. 579 00:37:49,580 --> 00:37:51,940 Is she in control of her actions? 580 00:37:51,940 --> 00:37:55,100 I don't believe at the time of the killing she intended to kill 581 00:37:55,100 --> 00:37:57,540 or understood the permanency of death. 582 00:37:57,540 --> 00:38:00,740 Can her condition be treated? It must be treated. 583 00:38:00,740 --> 00:38:03,380 Rose needs intensive psychotherapy 584 00:38:03,380 --> 00:38:06,540 and pharmaceutical treatment. Thank you. 585 00:38:06,540 --> 00:38:08,780 No further questions. 586 00:38:12,020 --> 00:38:14,340 Did you examine Paige Ward? 587 00:38:14,340 --> 00:38:18,540 No. Because the Crown didn't ask you to. 588 00:38:18,540 --> 00:38:23,300 That's right. Yet Rose told you repeatedly Paige killed Conor. 589 00:38:23,300 --> 00:38:24,860 That's right. Yet Rose told you repeatedly Paige killed Conor. 590 00:38:24,860 --> 00:38:27,060 Yes, but denial - 591 00:38:27,060 --> 00:38:31,060 How are we to know what Paige Ward's mental state was 592 00:38:31,060 --> 00:38:34,980 when Conor's blood splashed all over the front of her shirt 593 00:38:34,980 --> 00:38:37,940 or when she carved her initial into his stomach? 594 00:38:37,940 --> 00:38:41,740 Does my learned friend assume the witness has psychic powers? 595 00:38:41,740 --> 00:38:43,980 How else could he answer such questions? 596 00:38:43,980 --> 00:38:47,020 Please reserve questions regarding blood evidence 597 00:38:47,020 --> 00:38:51,500 for the appropriate expert witness. Apologies. No further questions. 598 00:38:53,420 --> 00:38:55,700 "Evil from the day she was born." 599 00:38:55,700 --> 00:38:58,220 How can a mother say that about her own child? 600 00:38:58,220 --> 00:39:00,580 Trial by tabloid, just what we needed. 601 00:39:00,580 --> 00:39:02,740 The trial's not even over 602 00:39:02,740 --> 00:39:05,180 and she has the public baying for her daughter's blood! 603 00:39:05,180 --> 00:39:06,940 Along with the jury. 604 00:39:06,940 --> 00:39:11,220 Any chance of them believing her diminished responsibility, her mum just blew it. 605 00:39:11,220 --> 00:39:13,660 Find a way to make that jury see what we see. 606 00:39:13,660 --> 00:39:16,860 I'm sorry. I don't know what else we can do. 607 00:39:16,860 --> 00:39:19,980 Make them see Conor Reid is not the only victim. 608 00:39:19,980 --> 00:39:22,700 Rose Shaw is an abused child. She's a victim, too. 609 00:39:30,860 --> 00:39:32,620 No comment. 610 00:39:32,620 --> 00:39:35,700 Reporting restrictions exist to protect your daughter. 611 00:39:35,700 --> 00:39:37,660 You don't care about her welfare. 612 00:39:37,660 --> 00:39:41,620 I don't know what you mean. Thanks to your snivelling to the tabloids, 613 00:39:41,620 --> 00:39:45,660 the whole country have already made up their minds about her. 614 00:39:45,660 --> 00:39:47,980 You shouldn't be talking to her. 615 00:39:47,980 --> 00:39:50,420 Why not? She isn't a witness. She should be. 616 00:39:50,420 --> 00:39:53,900 If the jury saw her true colours, they'd lock her up, not Rose. 617 00:39:56,180 --> 00:39:58,060 So let's call her. 618 00:40:06,660 --> 00:40:09,220 Can you tell the court how you make your living? 619 00:40:11,180 --> 00:40:13,100 I ain't on trial here. 620 00:40:13,940 --> 00:40:16,460 Can you answer the question, please? 621 00:40:16,460 --> 00:40:20,300 I'm a masseur. You're a prostitute, are you not? 622 00:40:20,300 --> 00:40:23,420 We don't all have parents to fund us through university. 623 00:40:23,420 --> 00:40:25,860 Is Rose aware of what you do? 624 00:40:27,620 --> 00:40:29,740 When the police came to talk to Rose, 625 00:40:29,740 --> 00:40:33,020 you were engaged in a sex act while she was in the next room. 626 00:40:33,020 --> 00:40:36,300 Plenty of mums work from home these days. 627 00:40:36,300 --> 00:40:39,860 Rose told Dr Marsh she'd seen her mother working. 628 00:40:39,860 --> 00:40:44,180 Doctors twist things. She'd also seen sadistic pornographic films 629 00:40:44,180 --> 00:40:47,820 which you watched with clients. They turn her into a killer? 630 00:40:47,820 --> 00:40:51,900 Did one DVD show a man passing out having been manually asphyxiated 631 00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:56,420 during sex, and another showed a man taking pleasure in being cut? 632 00:40:56,420 --> 00:40:56,540 during sex, and another showed a man taking pleasure in being cut? 633 00:40:56,540 --> 00:40:59,180 You can't prove she saw them. Can you prove she didn't? 634 00:40:59,180 --> 00:41:02,460 I done my best for her. Were you doing your best for Rose 635 00:41:02,460 --> 00:41:05,740 when you tried to give her to a stranger when she was six weeks? 636 00:41:05,740 --> 00:41:08,580 I was 16. It weren't easy stuck on your own with a kid. 637 00:41:08,580 --> 00:41:12,060 What about when you sold her cot to fund your crystal meth habit? 638 00:41:12,060 --> 00:41:15,500 I had a problem then. I owed money. Rose don't go without now. 639 00:41:15,500 --> 00:41:19,980 Because you work as a prostitute in a room next door to hers? 640 00:41:19,980 --> 00:41:22,620 She don't see nothing. She doesn't hear it? 641 00:41:22,620 --> 00:41:25,340 She doesn't deal with the fallout? 642 00:41:25,340 --> 00:41:28,140 Like the time you were beaten senseless by a client? 643 00:41:28,140 --> 00:41:31,500 That only happened once. How would you have protected Rose 644 00:41:31,500 --> 00:41:34,780 if this client had decided to turn his attentions to her? 645 00:41:34,780 --> 00:41:37,460 He didn't. Can you be sure of that? 646 00:41:37,460 --> 00:41:39,900 You were unconscious for quite some time. 647 00:41:39,900 --> 00:41:43,900 It wasn't until your next client turned up six hours later 648 00:41:43,900 --> 00:41:46,220 that an ambulance was called. Rose was OK. 649 00:41:46,220 --> 00:41:48,580 Rose was four. She thought you were dead. 650 00:41:48,580 --> 00:41:52,140 But you don't really care what happens to her. Not true. 651 00:41:52,140 --> 00:41:56,620 You don't care that she's choking a five-year-old boy so long as it doesn't interfere with your habit. 652 00:41:56,620 --> 00:41:56,860 You don't care that she's choking a five-year-old boy so long as it doesn't interfere with your habit. 653 00:41:56,860 --> 00:41:58,940 You're making out I'm a bad mum. 654 00:41:58,940 --> 00:42:02,620 I am shouting it loud and clear. You are a terrible mum. 655 00:42:02,620 --> 00:42:06,620 You haven't got the first idea how to take care of your own child. 656 00:42:06,620 --> 00:42:09,660 I didn't kill that kid. You might as well have done. 657 00:42:09,660 --> 00:42:14,060 You turned her into exactly what she is, did you not? 658 00:42:14,060 --> 00:42:15,340 You turned her into exactly what she is, did you not? 659 00:42:23,980 --> 00:42:25,900 No further questions, My Lord. 660 00:42:41,340 --> 00:42:44,780 On the charge of murder, how do you find? 661 00:42:45,740 --> 00:42:47,660 Guilty. 662 00:42:57,820 --> 00:43:01,140 Rose Shaw, 663 00:43:01,140 --> 00:43:03,780 you have been found guilty of murder. 664 00:43:05,420 --> 00:43:07,580 You alone are responsible for the death 665 00:43:07,580 --> 00:43:09,780 of a defenceless five-year-old boy. 666 00:43:12,340 --> 00:43:16,860 What you did to that child is every parent's worst nightmare. 667 00:43:20,780 --> 00:43:24,260 I've heard all I need regarding your state of mind 668 00:43:24,260 --> 00:43:26,980 and the circumstances of your background, 669 00:43:26,980 --> 00:43:30,740 and see no need to wait for further reports before sentencing. 670 00:43:33,340 --> 00:43:37,820 I hereby sentence you to be detained at Her Majesty's pleasure 671 00:43:37,820 --> 00:43:41,060 with a minimum term of 12 years. 672 00:43:45,860 --> 00:43:48,220 Rose! 673 00:43:48,220 --> 00:43:51,180 Mum! Mum, please! 674 00:43:53,740 --> 00:43:55,860 Mum, please! 675 00:43:55,860 --> 00:43:58,260 Rose! 676 00:43:59,780 --> 00:44:01,740 Mum! 677 00:44:16,900 --> 00:44:20,020 Will she serve the whole 12 years? 678 00:44:20,020 --> 00:44:24,180 I don't know. Dr Marsh has agreed to work with her in the secure unit. 679 00:44:24,180 --> 00:44:26,940 When she's 15, rest assured 680 00:44:26,940 --> 00:44:29,900 I will personally appeal against her move to prison. 681 00:44:34,540 --> 00:44:37,300 Conor used to sleep in my bed. 682 00:44:37,300 --> 00:44:39,060 I never could settle him into a cot. 683 00:44:40,900 --> 00:44:43,060 In my arms he'd sleep ten hours straight. 684 00:44:44,540 --> 00:44:48,220 I used to watch him half the night, thinking how lucky I was. 685 00:44:52,220 --> 00:44:54,980 I bet no-one ever looked at Rose Shaw and felt lucky. 686 00:45:00,340 --> 00:45:02,300 BOY: Thanks. 687 00:45:08,740 --> 00:45:12,660 itfc subtitles synced by julien 56562

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