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In the criminal justice system
the people are represented
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by two separate
yet equally important groups -
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the police who investigate crime,
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and the Crown prosecutors
who prosecute offenders.
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These are their stories.
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It's an oxymoron.
No, it's not.
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Matty, what are you talking about?
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Sausages are made from meat,
not soya.
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They certainly ain't made
from vegetables.
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Why should veggies be denied
the pleasure of a sausage roll?
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And it is half the fat.
And half the taste.
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I'm at the peak of my fitness.
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Do not let
this cuddly exterior fool you.
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Blimey! Who died?
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My office...now.
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He's in there.
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How could anyone?
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He's five, maybe six.
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Looks like he's only been dead
a few hours.
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Contusions round the...
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Are you OK, Joy?
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Take your time, love.
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Contusions round the neck.
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Petichiae round the eyes.
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A bang to the back of the head.
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There's curvilinear abrasions here
and here,
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suggesting strangulation.
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And there's this.
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Caused by
something sharp and pointed,
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bigger than a pin or a needle,
though.
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Looks like a letter R.
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What's that on his lips?
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There was a popping noise
when I moved him
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to examine the head wound.
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This was on the floor.
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Someone's poured the whole lot
into his mouth.
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Crackle Candy.
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Just when you think
you've seen it all.
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How can we have a body when
the kid hasn't even been missed?
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Cos the parents probably did it.
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Maybe they're at work.
It's half term.
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Even the parents here with jobs
can't afford a child minder.
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They haven't even noticed
he's missing.
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Keep them as far away as possible.
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There's CCTV all over this estate.
They must have caught something.
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If you can find one that works.
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I'll get Intel onto it.
Talk to the kids.
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See if any of their mates
have gone AWOL.
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Darren's in the park doing it
with Shania Chapman.
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How old's Darren?
11.
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11. Whatever happened
to a game of conkers?
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What's conkers?
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Conor. Conor.
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Conor.
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What's happening here?
You all right, son. What's up?
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My brother Conor was supposed
to meet me hours ago.
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How old's your brother?
Six.
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When did you last see him?
This morning.
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I saw him.
He was playing over there.
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Then this smelly man
come and took him.
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Baseball cap,
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with like a beard.
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And wearing a leather jacket.
That's what you said.
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And you saw him with Conor?
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(MOBILE PHONE RINGS)
He smelled like petrol.
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Right.
Devlin.
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You were so close
you could smell him?
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He walked past her, didn't he?
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When he walked past you,
was Conor with him then? No.
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He went in with Conor,
but he come out on his own. OK.
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They just picked up Conor's mum
from work.
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She's on her way to the mortuary.
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(GENTLE SOUNDTRACK MUSIC)
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I was late for work.
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I didn't kiss him goodbye.
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I'm very sorry, but we're going
to need to ask you some questions.
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Do you think he was really scared?
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You've had some contact with
Social Services over the kids?
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My ex hit Liam once.
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When I found out I packed his bags.
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So there wasn't an adult
you could leave him with?
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You think I could afford
a supernanny?
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I work 12 hours a day to keep a roof
over our heads.
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I can't give up
cos it's the school holidays.
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So Liam looks after Conor
while you're at work? Yeah.
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Liam and the girls.
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That's Paige Ward?
Paige and her mate.
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Always coming round
asking if they can babysit.
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Conor loved them.
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Can I get Buddy back?
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That's his toy dog.
He took him everywhere.
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Of course. We need to keep him
a bit longer,
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but we'll let you have him back
as soon as we can. I promise.
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Julie, have you ever seen this man
around the estate?
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We think he's a mechanic.
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Yeah. He looks like my neighbour's
boyfriend - Rob something.
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No. He works at the garage
on Cold Harbour Lane.
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You think it was him?
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Maybe you should call your brief.
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I don't need one cos I know nothing
about no little boy.
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I'm a red-blooded bloke. Look under
my mattress if you don't believe me.
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A witness saw you take him
into the flats.
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Only, you came out alone
and he ended up dead.
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The boy lived in the flat
next door to your girlfriend.
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A witness spotted you abduct him.
They need their eyes testing.
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I banged on my missus' door
for ten minutes.
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Then I went back to work.
Did anyone see you leave?
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I don't know, do I?
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There was a girl. There was a girl.
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She must have been about twelve-ish.
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That's it?
Yeah.
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She had like fair hair.
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She was a skinny thing.
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And an Arsenal shirt.
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And this was at Lexden House?
Right by the door,
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like she was waiting
for someone to come out.
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Here's the problem, Paige.
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You say you saw the man at
the empty flats they're pulling down.
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He went inside with Conor.
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I don't like her playing
near them flats.
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We think you saw the man
at Lexden House where Conor lived.
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No. Are you sure
it wasn't Lexden House?
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It was Peldon. I ain't lying, Mum.
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Paige don't tell lies.
She's a good girl.
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You've never been to Lexden House
at any time? No.
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Are you sure about that?
I said, didn't I? I told you.
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Why's he picking on me?
We just need you to help us out.
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Yeah. Would you like a drink?
Want a cup of tea, Matty?
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Mrs Ward, would you like
a cup of tea?
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Cheers. Two sugars.
OK.
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I chewed my nails when I was a kid.
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Especially if I was nervous.
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We had a teacher who'd bang his hand
on the table when he saw me do it.
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Of course,
that only made me do it even more.
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You chew your nails
cos you're nervous, don't you?
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The thing is, Paige,
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we've spoken to the man
that you saw with Conor.
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He says you saw him at Lexden House
where Conor lived.
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He was by Peldon.
And you're absolutely certain?
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Cross my heart. I won't be angry
if you've made a mistake. We all do.
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If you don't believe her,
you can ask her mate.
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Joined at the hip them two.
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Someone else saw what happened?
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Rose. She was with me
the whole time.
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Who is it?
Police.
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Open up, please.
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Got a warrant?
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Is your mum there, Rose?
She's busy.
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We just need you to open the door.
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I'm only supposed to open the door
if she screams.
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Thank you.
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I don't do threesomes.
Your mate will have to wait.
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Actually, we would like
to talk to Rose
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about the boy who died
in the empty flats.
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Rose don't know nothing about it.
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Well, we think
she could be a witness.
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So we'd like you both to come
to the station for a video ID.
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Both girls picked out Denton
from the video ID.
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We have enough to charge him.
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And Denton identified Paige
outside the dead boy's flat.
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Or he saw her at the murder scene.
Denton has no previous with kids.
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The cause of death
was by manual strangulation.
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No signs of sexual assault.
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He's been flying under the radar.
The girls saw him.
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I still think Paige is lying.
Because she chews her nails?
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It's just a feeling.
We can talk to her again.
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If the girls saw Denton take
the kid, someone else must have.
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Someone did.
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There's something you need to see.
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This is Denton outside
his girlfriend's flat.
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At 9:31 he heads
towards the car park.
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Then at 9:35...
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Another camera picks them up
heading towards Peldon House.
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Please, God, tell me
this isn't what I think it is.
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Look at her. Face of an angel.
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Paige seems to trust you.
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You take Rose, but I want a CPS
member watching the interviews.
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I want both girls arrested
and cautioned before they speak.
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You understand that you can have
a solicitor here if you want one?
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We don't need one. She ain't done
nothing wrong, have you? No.
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OK.
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I want to talk about what happened
to little Conor.
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'You went out to play with
your friend Paige. Is that right?'
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'Yeah. We played football.'
'OK.'
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Do you know Conor -
You know she does.
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Miss Shaw, I need Rose to answer.
Come on, then.
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Rose, did you go to Conor's flat
the morning he died?
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Yeah. Liam left him alone.
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So you and Paige
took him out to play?
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It ain't nice being left alone.
Will this take much longer?
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Is there somewhere you need to be?
I can get a social worker.
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You don't know me.
Just get on with it, yeah?
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Where did you take Conor to play?
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By Peldon House.
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But then this man come
and took Conor inside.
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You know that's where we found Conor,
Peldon House?
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Did he just lay down and die?
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I think you know how he died, Rose.
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I don't think there was
any man there at all.
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Yes, there was a man.
Look, the man took him.
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Ask him what happened to Conor.
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I don't think you're telling me
the truth. Yes, I am!
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You can call that social worker.
Mum, you can't leave me.
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Just listen to what he says.
You say, "No comment."
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I want to go home with my mum.
Stay there.
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I used to sit in these rooms
just as twitchy as you. Calm down.
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I used to sit in these rooms
just as twitchy as you. Calm down.
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Kelly, listen to me.
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I was worrying about
when I'd get my next drink.
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Mum!
Shut up!
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Kelly! Today could be the first day
you don't use. You do have a choice.
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Your habit or your daughter.
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Mum. Mum! Mum! Mum, please!
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(SLURPS DRINK)
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(SLURPS DRINK)
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So you like Arsenal?
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They're the best. It's OK to support
them if you're from South London
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cos really they're from Woolwich.
They moved north in the past.
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That's right. And you have number
11 on your shirt. Van Persie?
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Rachel Yankey done this talk
at our school. Arsenal Ladies.
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It's all she goes on about.
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Maybe one day
you'll be the next Yankey.
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I'll never be as good as her.
I played a bit as a kid.
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We had a scout from Arsenal
come round our school.
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Only, I was so nervous
about not being picked
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I pulled a sickie.
So you didn't even try?
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I wanted to, but the truth is
I was too scared of messing up.
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I've never told anyone that before.
I feel better now I've told you.
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You know when you try
and keep a secret,
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and you wanna tell,
it sort of hurts to keep it inside.
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and you wanna tell,
it sort of hurts to keep it inside.
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If you share it with a friend,
it feels better.
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You see, Paige,
I think you have a secret
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about what happened to little Conor.
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And we're friends, aren't we?
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Let me share your secret.
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Make it stop hurting.
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Mum.
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She's so close I can smell it.
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When my girls were little,
I took them to the fair one Sunday.
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We were queuing up. I was paying
for them to go on this ride.
242
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A typical Sunday dad,
over-compensating.
243
00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,480
I've got toys and prizes I'd won.
244
00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,960
Pop corn. Candy floss.
All that stuff.
245
00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,560
I turned round,
and the little un' had gone.
246
00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,240
Just disappeared,
and the place was mobbed.
247
00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,480
That is
really, truly frightening to me.
248
00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:42,400
Do you know where she was?
249
00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,560
And me a copper, an' all!
250
00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,720
She'd sneaked
into the stall next door,
251
00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,800
and was trying to nick a goldfish.
252
00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,600
(SIGHS) I tell you, kids, mate!
253
00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,880
It's frightening.
254
00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,000
We should get back in there.
255
00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,880
Yeah.
256
00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,000
Just give us a minute.
257
00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,560
Tell me it ain't true
you got them girls in there.
258
00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,760
They wouldn't hurt my Conor.
They wouldn't!
259
00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,640
We're just talking to them
at the moment.
260
00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,560
But they're just kids.
Tell me they didn't do it!
261
00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,440
Please, I need it. (SOBS)
262
00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,080
That's you, isn't it, Paige?
263
00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,960
Number 11, like Rachel Yankey.
264
00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,280
And that's Rose, isn't it?
265
00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,400
And that's Conor.
266
00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,000
You see, there's cameras
all over the estate.
267
00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:03,400
They take pictures
of people walking about,
268
00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:04,920
going in and out of the blocks.
269
00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:10,120
This picture was taken about
20 minutes before Conor died.
270
00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,960
There's other pictures
that show the man you picked out
271
00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,840
leaving the estate
before Conor died.
272
00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,640
Do you think mum realises
just how serious this is?
273
00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,680
Who wants to believe their kid's
involved with something like this?
274
00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,200
The poor woman's in shock.
275
00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,640
I would be if that was
one of my girls sat there.
276
00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,720
Maybe we should get Matt to ask
again if they want a brief.
277
00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,240
She's gonna spill any second.
278
00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:54,200
You know I love you, babe,
no matter what you done.
279
00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,880
You have to tell
the policeman the truth.
280
00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,320
Who went into Peldon House
with Conor?
281
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,320
Just me and Rose.
282
00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,360
And little Conor. We took him.
283
00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:11,200
And did someone hurt Conor?
284
00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:14,240
He was crying.
285
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,120
He wanted his mum.
286
00:20:18,120 --> 00:20:20,440
And Rose put her hands
around his neck.
287
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,680
He tried to get her off,
288
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,160
but he fell back and banged his head
against the wall.
289
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,800
It's OK, baby. It's OK.
290
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,360
What happened next, Paige?
She got on top of him.
291
00:20:36,360 --> 00:20:38,480
'Started squeezing his neck again.
292
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,880
When she got off he just lay there.'
293
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,400
And then she got out this compass,
294
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,320
like we use in Maths,
295
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,400
and told me to scratch my name
on his tummy.
296
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:57,680
And you did it?
297
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,600
I only did the P.
298
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,080
I couldn't do the rest.
299
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,480
Then she took it off me,
300
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,920
and done another line
to make it an R for Rose.
301
00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:16,920
Can we go home now?
302
00:21:23,100 --> 00:21:26,140
'Police have arrested
two girls aged 10 and 13
303
00:21:26,140 --> 00:21:29,900
on suspicion of the murder
of five-year-old Conor Reid.
304
00:21:29,900 --> 00:21:33,780
Conor was found dead
at the Kelvedon Estate last week.
305
00:21:33,780 --> 00:21:37,700
It's believed the girls were moved
to a secret location last night
306
00:21:37,700 --> 00:21:42,260
after the police station came under
siege from angry protestors.'
307
00:21:42,260 --> 00:21:42,380
after the police station came under
siege from angry protestors.'
308
00:21:42,380 --> 00:21:45,940
This is getting out of hand,
and we haven't even charged them.
309
00:21:45,940 --> 00:21:49,940
Little girl killers -
the public can't stomach it.
310
00:21:49,940 --> 00:21:51,820
It's understandable.
311
00:21:55,700 --> 00:21:57,620
Kids killing kids.
312
00:21:59,020 --> 00:22:00,940
This is as bad as it gets.
313
00:22:03,020 --> 00:22:05,180
What are the girls saying?
314
00:22:05,180 --> 00:22:08,340
They blame each other.
What about the forensics?
315
00:22:08,340 --> 00:22:11,860
The girls were tested too late
for contact trace evidence.
316
00:22:11,860 --> 00:22:14,980
We're waiting on the analysis
of their clothing.
317
00:22:14,980 --> 00:22:18,260
Till then there's no way to know
who is telling the truth?
318
00:22:18,260 --> 00:22:21,220
The police believe
Paige is telling the truth,
319
00:22:21,220 --> 00:22:24,260
that Rose is the killer.
She cooperated fully.
320
00:22:24,260 --> 00:22:26,940
She'll give evidence
against Rose in court.
321
00:22:26,940 --> 00:22:30,740
What does her brief want in return?
A Section 73 agreement.
322
00:22:30,740 --> 00:22:33,180
Paige has given a statement
323
00:22:33,180 --> 00:22:37,460
detailing exactly how Rose Shaw
killed Conor Reid.
324
00:22:37,460 --> 00:22:40,460
She's a witness, nothing more.
325
00:22:40,460 --> 00:22:44,900
Your client carved her initial
into the dead boy's skin.
326
00:22:44,900 --> 00:22:47,940
She colluded with her friend
to concoct a story.
327
00:22:47,940 --> 00:22:51,140
Under duress from Rose Shaw.
Come on, Luke!
328
00:22:51,140 --> 00:22:54,660
Rose is three years younger
than your client.
329
00:22:54,660 --> 00:22:59,100
And bright as a button.
Paige has learning difficulties.
330
00:22:59,100 --> 00:23:04,180
The police believe Rose Shaw
acted alone. A jury will, too.
331
00:23:06,660 --> 00:23:09,660
Paige pleads guilty
to assisting an offender.
332
00:23:09,660 --> 00:23:14,140
She's practically handing you
Rose Shaw with bells on.
333
00:23:14,140 --> 00:23:14,260
She's practically handing you
Rose Shaw with bells on.
334
00:23:14,260 --> 00:23:16,860
The least you can do
is drop the charges.
335
00:23:16,860 --> 00:23:20,300
That's the deal.
Take it or leave it.
336
00:23:20,300 --> 00:23:22,980
We sign that agreement,
there's no going back.
337
00:23:22,980 --> 00:23:25,940
Paige gets immunity except
on assisting an offender.
338
00:23:27,300 --> 00:23:29,340
OK. Get the papers signed.
339
00:23:29,340 --> 00:23:32,220
But we charge Rose with murder.
340
00:23:32,220 --> 00:23:34,180
Who's her brief?
341
00:23:34,180 --> 00:23:36,700
You so don't want to know.
342
00:23:36,700 --> 00:23:39,340
Come on. How bad can it be?
343
00:23:40,980 --> 00:23:44,580
There he is, Balls of Steel.
344
00:23:44,580 --> 00:23:47,660
Kim.
You don't call. You don't write.
345
00:23:47,660 --> 00:23:50,380
You didn't seriously expect
any deals?
346
00:23:50,380 --> 00:23:55,700
You did get my email? Don't tell me
it's still floating in cyberspace.
347
00:23:55,700 --> 00:23:55,820
You did get my email? Don't tell me
it's still floating in cyberspace.
348
00:23:56,980 --> 00:24:00,620
I told our new clerk when we need
to disclose something to the Crown
349
00:24:00,620 --> 00:24:03,340
now means now.
What are you disclosing?
350
00:24:05,060 --> 00:24:08,020
I've brought you a spare copy
just in case.
351
00:24:19,420 --> 00:24:21,300
Deep breaths.
352
00:24:25,940 --> 00:24:28,980
Rose Shaw is ten years old.
353
00:24:28,980 --> 00:24:32,580
She played no part
in this horrific crime,
354
00:24:32,580 --> 00:24:36,420
and is devastated to learn
her best friend says otherwise.
355
00:24:36,420 --> 00:24:39,780
I ask you to release this poor child
into her mother's care.
356
00:24:39,780 --> 00:24:43,060
Miss Sharkey, much as it irks me
to have to consider
357
00:24:43,060 --> 00:24:46,340
locking up a ten-year-old,
Paige Ward has your client
358
00:24:46,340 --> 00:24:50,100
choking a boy to death
with her bare hands.
359
00:24:50,100 --> 00:24:53,140
I simply cannot ignore
such a statement.
360
00:24:53,140 --> 00:24:57,060
Indeed you cannot, My Lord,
were said statement taken legally.
361
00:24:57,060 --> 00:25:00,660
However...I suggest
that is not the case,
362
00:25:00,660 --> 00:25:04,380
and hereby apply to have
Paige Ward's interview excluded.
363
00:25:04,380 --> 00:25:09,020
I request an immediate adjournment.
The Crown have not been informed
of any such application.
364
00:25:09,020 --> 00:25:09,260
I request an immediate adjournment.
The Crown have not been informed
of any such application.
365
00:25:09,260 --> 00:25:14,500
And yet Miss Phillips
appears to have a copy
right there in front of her.
366
00:25:14,500 --> 00:25:14,860
And yet Miss Phillips
appears to have a copy
right there in front of her.
367
00:25:14,860 --> 00:25:17,860
Because you handed it over
five minutes ago.
368
00:25:17,860 --> 00:25:20,900
Either it was disclosed
or it was not, Mr Steel.
369
00:25:20,900 --> 00:25:23,300
Continue, Ms Sharkey.
370
00:25:25,260 --> 00:25:28,540
At her interview, Paige was not
accompanied by a solicitor
371
00:25:28,540 --> 00:25:30,900
or an appropriate adult.
372
00:25:30,900 --> 00:25:35,300
She was accompanied by her mother
who refused legal representation.
373
00:25:35,300 --> 00:25:38,580
A woman with
an IQ below a 12-year-old's.
374
00:25:38,580 --> 00:25:42,060
Unlike their morals,
which my colleague shares.
375
00:25:42,060 --> 00:25:46,900
Miss Sharkey, Mr Steel,
my chambers now, please.
376
00:25:46,900 --> 00:25:50,500
After meeting Paige's mother
I had her IQ tested.
377
00:25:51,620 --> 00:25:55,700
We also found she has learning
difficulties and mild autism.
378
00:25:55,700 --> 00:25:58,340
There wasn't time
to second-guess her IQ.
379
00:25:58,340 --> 00:26:01,260
The police had act quickly
to gather evidence.
380
00:26:01,260 --> 00:26:05,860
They coerced a 13-year old girl into
saying what they wanted to hear.
381
00:26:05,860 --> 00:26:10,260
They bribed her with a meal,
and chatted about her hobbies.
382
00:26:10,260 --> 00:26:10,420
They bribed her with a meal,
and chatted about her hobbies.
383
00:26:10,420 --> 00:26:13,060
The officer was creating
a bond of trust.
384
00:26:13,060 --> 00:26:16,460
They assumed the mother would
intervene if she was unhappy.
385
00:26:16,460 --> 00:26:20,420
She wouldn't have intervened if
DS Devlin had danced the fandango.
386
00:26:20,420 --> 00:26:22,820
The only one making
a song and dance is you.
387
00:26:22,820 --> 00:26:25,780
What have you got for your finale -
Enough!
388
00:26:27,500 --> 00:26:29,700
The whole point
of an appropriate adult
389
00:26:29,700 --> 00:26:32,980
is to safeguard the rights and
welfare of young people in custody.
390
00:26:34,700 --> 00:26:36,860
I intend to play this one
with a straight bat.
391
00:26:39,660 --> 00:26:42,020
I'm granting
Ms Sharkey's application
392
00:26:42,020 --> 00:26:43,940
to exclude the statement.
393
00:26:48,220 --> 00:26:51,580
That statement
put Rose's hands round Conor's neck.
394
00:26:53,140 --> 00:26:56,420
The Section 73 based on it,
now we can't even use it!
395
00:26:56,420 --> 00:27:00,340
You must have realised Tina Ward
wasn't an appropriate adult.
396
00:27:00,340 --> 00:27:02,540
Do I look like Derren Brown?
397
00:27:02,540 --> 00:27:05,140
She came across
like half the adults we meet.
398
00:27:05,140 --> 00:27:07,820
We don't deal with Mensa candidates.
399
00:27:07,820 --> 00:27:12,620
Any other judge would have thrown
Sharkey out of court.
Blame Justice Pedotti.
400
00:27:12,620 --> 00:27:12,660
Any other judge would have thrown
Sharkey out of court.
Blame Justice Pedotti.
401
00:27:14,060 --> 00:27:17,300
Do we have a case
without that statement?
402
00:27:17,300 --> 00:27:21,740
Please tell me forensics
will confirm Rose's guilt.
403
00:27:21,740 --> 00:27:26,020
Without a doubt. Conor's DNA will
be all over Rose Shaw's clothing.
404
00:27:28,980 --> 00:27:31,500
Let's get this over with, then.
405
00:27:33,340 --> 00:27:37,420
We represent Conor,
which means we represent you.
406
00:27:39,380 --> 00:27:42,420
We're certain the forensic analysis
of the girl's clothing
407
00:27:42,420 --> 00:27:46,060
will give us the evidence we need
to put Rose behind bars
for a long time.
408
00:27:46,060 --> 00:27:48,220
She'll go to prison?
409
00:27:48,220 --> 00:27:52,140
Initially she'll remain
in secure local authority care.
410
00:27:52,140 --> 00:27:55,980
When she's old enough she'll go
to a young offenders' institution.
411
00:27:55,980 --> 00:27:58,180
Then an adult prison.
412
00:27:58,180 --> 00:28:02,500
Her whole childhood. She won't be
released until her early 20s.
413
00:28:04,460 --> 00:28:08,420
I saw this woman
on the news last night.
414
00:28:08,420 --> 00:28:11,180
She said Rose Shaw was Satan reborn,
415
00:28:12,660 --> 00:28:15,660
that they should bring back hanging
just for her.
416
00:28:15,660 --> 00:28:18,540
I've never heard so much hate
in someone's voice.
417
00:28:19,460 --> 00:28:22,180
Public feeling is very strong.
418
00:28:22,180 --> 00:28:24,940
All these flowers on the estate,
419
00:28:24,940 --> 00:28:28,340
sack loads of cards every day
like they all knew him.
420
00:28:28,340 --> 00:28:32,220
All of them out there
feeding off my boy's death.
421
00:28:33,020 --> 00:28:34,940
Then it takes over their lives.
422
00:28:36,940 --> 00:28:38,860
It's like they need it.
423
00:28:40,500 --> 00:28:42,420
The funny thing is all I want...
424
00:28:44,300 --> 00:28:46,220
..all I need is to let it go.
425
00:28:47,220 --> 00:28:49,740
The trial can help you do that.
426
00:28:49,740 --> 00:28:51,660
Sending her to prison won't help me.
427
00:28:54,100 --> 00:28:56,020
It won't bring my boy back.
428
00:29:00,380 --> 00:29:04,380
Most victims' families find
it gives them a sense of closure.
429
00:29:04,380 --> 00:29:07,420
Closure? This ain't closure.
430
00:29:09,020 --> 00:29:10,940
This is revenge.
431
00:29:12,220 --> 00:29:14,540
No, that little girl
don't deserve it.
432
00:29:14,540 --> 00:29:16,500
She's been through enough.
433
00:29:16,500 --> 00:29:20,020
We live on the same estate.
I know what goes on in there.
434
00:29:22,020 --> 00:29:24,940
She broke the law
in the most terrible way.
435
00:29:24,940 --> 00:29:26,820
She's a child.
436
00:29:28,220 --> 00:29:32,180
Want to hide her behind a ten-foot
wall so no-one has to look at her?
437
00:29:32,180 --> 00:29:36,940
No-one has to ask her who's really
responsible for Conor's death?
438
00:29:36,940 --> 00:29:37,020
No-one has to ask her who's really
responsible for Conor's death?
439
00:29:37,020 --> 00:29:38,940
No.
440
00:29:38,940 --> 00:29:41,500
No, no. It's too easy.
441
00:29:42,940 --> 00:29:45,620
Prosecuting kids is never easy.
442
00:29:46,540 --> 00:29:48,620
My Conor, he used to...
443
00:29:48,620 --> 00:29:51,220
he liked to draw them pictures,
444
00:29:51,220 --> 00:29:54,300
the ones where you put
the paint through straws.
445
00:29:56,860 --> 00:29:58,780
He loved dogs.
446
00:30:01,740 --> 00:30:04,540
That's how I wanna remember him.
447
00:30:05,860 --> 00:30:08,220
My happy little boy.
448
00:30:09,780 --> 00:30:12,100
I don't want
my memories clouded by hate.
449
00:30:14,140 --> 00:30:19,140
Would you want your son brought up
in a world with no hope?
450
00:30:22,820 --> 00:30:26,020
You can't save Conor.
451
00:30:27,140 --> 00:30:29,060
But you can save her.
452
00:30:30,420 --> 00:30:33,460
Yeah, you can give
Rosie Shaw a life.
453
00:30:34,500 --> 00:30:36,340
You can forgive her?
454
00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:39,380
I hate what she did
455
00:30:39,380 --> 00:30:43,020
with every bone in my body, but...
456
00:30:47,340 --> 00:30:49,260
..but I'm a mum.
457
00:30:51,020 --> 00:30:53,380
I can't hate a child.
458
00:30:56,540 --> 00:30:58,980
You say you represent me,
459
00:30:58,980 --> 00:31:01,740
then this is what you do.
460
00:31:01,740 --> 00:31:05,620
You make Conor's life
mean something.
461
00:31:05,620 --> 00:31:10,380
You find out why she did it,
and you get that little girl help.
462
00:31:17,140 --> 00:31:19,100
We have to help her.
463
00:31:20,220 --> 00:31:22,700
We can't just drop a murder charge.
464
00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:26,860
The DPP will have your balls
and mine. Not just the DPP.
465
00:31:26,860 --> 00:31:29,820
The Attorney General
wants Rose convicted of murder.
466
00:31:29,820 --> 00:31:33,300
So that's it. Our hands are tied.
467
00:31:34,420 --> 00:31:36,340
Not on my watch.
468
00:31:36,340 --> 00:31:38,220
You heard what Mrs Reid wants.
469
00:31:39,940 --> 00:31:42,060
What do we do?
470
00:31:42,060 --> 00:31:44,020
My granddaughter is the same age.
471
00:31:45,460 --> 00:31:49,180
She spends her time riding ponies
and making daisy chains.
472
00:31:50,420 --> 00:31:53,020
I want to know
what makes a girl of ten
473
00:31:53,020 --> 00:31:55,420
put her hands round a child's neck,
474
00:31:55,420 --> 00:31:57,580
and squeeze the life out of him.
475
00:32:01,980 --> 00:32:05,060
Rose, did you worry what your mum
was doing with these men?
476
00:32:06,420 --> 00:32:10,980
My mum says that psychiatrists
mess up your brain waves.
477
00:32:10,980 --> 00:32:13,660
Is that what you're gonna do to me?
478
00:32:14,420 --> 00:32:18,860
Dr Marsh believes
the abuse changed the physiology
of Rose's nervous system,
479
00:32:18,860 --> 00:32:19,420
Dr Marsh believes
the abuse changed the physiology
of Rose's nervous system,
480
00:32:19,420 --> 00:32:23,300
which means her responsibility
was diminished at the killing.
481
00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:26,100
We offer Sharkey a deal, then,
482
00:32:27,140 --> 00:32:29,180
get Rose the help she needs.
483
00:32:29,180 --> 00:32:32,780
The police just called.
Forensics are in.
484
00:32:33,940 --> 00:32:36,740
Are you sure?
Forensics don't lie. Kids do.
485
00:32:36,740 --> 00:32:38,940
But everyone was so certain.
486
00:32:38,940 --> 00:32:43,700
There are 148 microscopic spots
of blood on the front of her shirt.
487
00:32:43,700 --> 00:32:45,660
Which means that when the boy died,
488
00:32:45,660 --> 00:32:48,820
the one with her hands
around his throat was Paige Ward.
489
00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:55,100
We have a Section 73
signed and sealed.
490
00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:58,940
You can't charge Paige
with anything further in this case.
491
00:32:58,940 --> 00:33:01,900
Your client had Conor's blood
all over her shirt.
492
00:33:04,380 --> 00:33:06,860
Which means
that when Conor Reid died
493
00:33:06,860 --> 00:33:10,300
the person in contact with him
was indeed Paige,
494
00:33:10,300 --> 00:33:12,740
and not Rose Shaw.
495
00:33:12,740 --> 00:33:14,780
It isn't true. It was Rose.
496
00:33:14,780 --> 00:33:18,340
Must I remind you again, gentlemen,
497
00:33:18,340 --> 00:33:20,980
my client isn't here
to be interrogated.
498
00:33:20,980 --> 00:33:24,060
Paige, you trust me, don't you?
499
00:33:26,140 --> 00:33:28,460
I need you to tell me the truth.
500
00:33:28,460 --> 00:33:31,660
We can walk out of here right now.
501
00:33:31,660 --> 00:33:35,860
It's not what you think.
You don't have to say another word.
502
00:33:35,860 --> 00:33:40,020
I want to explain.
After she done it, Rose just left.
503
00:33:40,860 --> 00:33:42,820
I picked Conor up,
504
00:33:42,820 --> 00:33:46,180
but he made this noise,
like a cough sort of.
505
00:33:46,180 --> 00:33:49,740
Why did you move him? I wanted
to take him home to his mum.
506
00:33:49,740 --> 00:33:51,900
But then Rose come back
with the compass.
507
00:33:51,900 --> 00:33:54,300
I swear I didn't hurt Conor.
508
00:33:55,620 --> 00:33:58,380
I put the toys there
in case he got lonely.
509
00:34:00,300 --> 00:34:03,300
The pathologist
has re-examined Conor's body.
510
00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:05,620
He found pulmonary
interstitial emphysema -
511
00:34:05,620 --> 00:34:08,180
a build up of pressure
in Conor's lungs
512
00:34:08,180 --> 00:34:11,020
caused by blood
blocking the airways.
513
00:34:11,020 --> 00:34:14,380
It could have been released
when Paige lifted him up
514
00:34:14,380 --> 00:34:17,460
or when she was choking him.
515
00:34:17,460 --> 00:34:20,220
So much for forensics proving
which one did it.
516
00:34:21,140 --> 00:34:23,540
Sharkey will have a field day
with this.
517
00:34:23,540 --> 00:34:25,300
Maybe not.
518
00:34:26,220 --> 00:34:28,780
According to the forensic report,
519
00:34:28,780 --> 00:34:32,100
there were seven curvilinear
abrasions on Conor's neck.
520
00:34:32,100 --> 00:34:36,220
Three at the front
were made by Conor trying to prise
his attacker's hands off.
521
00:34:36,220 --> 00:34:38,940
Four at the back made by
his attacker choking him.
522
00:34:38,940 --> 00:34:41,180
The report said
without finding Conor's skin
523
00:34:41,180 --> 00:34:43,380
in the fingernail scrapings
524
00:34:43,380 --> 00:34:45,820
there was no way to know
which girl made them.
525
00:34:45,820 --> 00:34:48,540
But Paige's fingernails
are bitten to the quick.
526
00:34:50,020 --> 00:34:52,940
The nail marks
on the back of Conor's neck.
527
00:34:52,940 --> 00:34:57,500
Rose Shaw has a defect on the nail
of her left forefinger.
528
00:34:57,500 --> 00:35:00,580
The same defect
can be seen in those marks.
529
00:35:00,580 --> 00:35:04,980
148 spots of blood on a shirt
spell murder to a jury.
530
00:35:04,980 --> 00:35:08,780
Four nail marks
spell a bit of rough play.
531
00:35:08,780 --> 00:35:11,340
You should give juries
more credit, Kim.
532
00:35:11,340 --> 00:35:14,180
Lucky for you we don't intend
to put this to a jury.
533
00:35:14,180 --> 00:35:16,900
A deal?
I'll accept a manslaughter plea
534
00:35:16,900 --> 00:35:19,060
due to diminished responsibility.
535
00:35:19,060 --> 00:35:21,860
Rose gets a hospital order
with a Section 41 restriction.
536
00:35:21,860 --> 00:35:24,220
You want to put her in hospital?
537
00:35:24,220 --> 00:35:27,300
Don't you? Rose needs treatment.
538
00:35:28,420 --> 00:35:30,860
Thanks, but no thanks.
539
00:35:30,860 --> 00:35:33,820
I'm giving your client
a way out of a murder charge.
540
00:35:33,820 --> 00:35:37,660
It's in Rose's best interests
to have someone try and fix her.
541
00:35:37,660 --> 00:35:41,140
The child's a monster.
I doubt anyone could fix her.
542
00:35:41,140 --> 00:35:45,220
You're only offering a deal
because you're worried I'll win.
543
00:35:45,220 --> 00:35:49,180
Forget Rose. You just don't want
to give up your 15 minutes.
544
00:35:49,180 --> 00:35:52,940
Cases like this come along
once in a lifetime.
545
00:35:52,940 --> 00:35:56,460
They're career makers.
This isn't a short cut to silk!
546
00:35:56,460 --> 00:35:59,220
It's a child's life.
Do calm down, James,
547
00:35:59,220 --> 00:36:01,860
or you'll be comparing ulcers
with George.
548
00:36:03,580 --> 00:36:07,380
The jury are going to see
a very pretty little girl
549
00:36:07,380 --> 00:36:10,620
and hear how the Crown made a deal
with a teenager
550
00:36:10,620 --> 00:36:13,340
who had the victim's blood
all over her shirt.
551
00:36:14,540 --> 00:36:16,500
I know who I'd believe.
552
00:36:18,380 --> 00:36:20,580
She's a killer.
553
00:36:20,580 --> 00:36:23,700
When the jury see photographs
of a strangled five-year-old,
554
00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:26,180
they'll want her in a prison cell.
555
00:36:26,180 --> 00:36:30,660
The prison system can't provide
the treatment this girl needs.
556
00:36:30,660 --> 00:36:31,260
The prison system can't provide
the treatment this girl needs.
557
00:36:31,260 --> 00:36:33,580
Why the preoccupation
about treatment?
558
00:36:33,580 --> 00:36:37,420
The public don't care about
treating killers. They ought to.
559
00:36:37,420 --> 00:36:40,100
If we send her to hospital,
she will be released
560
00:36:40,100 --> 00:36:43,180
only if and when
she's no longer a danger.
561
00:36:43,180 --> 00:36:47,260
Justice Pedotti will make sure
she gets a minimum of 12 years.
562
00:36:47,260 --> 00:36:51,020
There's no votes in being soft
on children who commit crimes.
563
00:36:51,020 --> 00:36:54,980
I don't decide on the basis of what
gets the Home Secretary most votes.
564
00:36:54,980 --> 00:36:57,380
Lock her away,
and you might as well kill her.
565
00:36:57,380 --> 00:37:02,220
I'm not asking. As Director
of Public Prosecutions, I'm telling.
566
00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:04,340
You try that girl for murder...
567
00:37:04,340 --> 00:37:06,260
and you make sure she's convicted.
568
00:37:13,940 --> 00:37:18,060
That woman was put on this earth
just to irritate my duodenum.
569
00:37:18,060 --> 00:37:21,300
Whatever it takes,
you guarantee that that jury find
570
00:37:21,300 --> 00:37:24,220
on manslaughter,
diminished responsibility,
571
00:37:24,220 --> 00:37:27,820
and not murder. I want that girl
in a hospital, not a prison.
572
00:37:27,820 --> 00:37:30,060
What about the DPP?
Screw the DPP?
573
00:37:30,060 --> 00:37:32,060
I answer to Conor's mother
on this one.
574
00:37:34,340 --> 00:37:37,860
Dr Guinott talks about kids being
like white cement.
575
00:37:37,860 --> 00:37:40,660
Whatever falls on them
makes an impression.
576
00:37:40,660 --> 00:37:43,100
In Rose's case,
her abusive upbringing
577
00:37:43,100 --> 00:37:46,340
means she has a callous
lack of concern for others.
578
00:37:46,340 --> 00:37:48,220
So she lashes out.
579
00:37:49,580 --> 00:37:51,940
Is she in control of her actions?
580
00:37:51,940 --> 00:37:55,100
I don't believe at the time of
the killing she intended to kill
581
00:37:55,100 --> 00:37:57,540
or understood
the permanency of death.
582
00:37:57,540 --> 00:38:00,740
Can her condition be treated?
It must be treated.
583
00:38:00,740 --> 00:38:03,380
Rose needs intensive psychotherapy
584
00:38:03,380 --> 00:38:06,540
and pharmaceutical treatment.
Thank you.
585
00:38:06,540 --> 00:38:08,780
No further questions.
586
00:38:12,020 --> 00:38:14,340
Did you examine Paige Ward?
587
00:38:14,340 --> 00:38:18,540
No. Because the Crown
didn't ask you to.
588
00:38:18,540 --> 00:38:23,300
That's right. Yet Rose told you
repeatedly Paige killed Conor.
589
00:38:23,300 --> 00:38:24,860
That's right. Yet Rose told you
repeatedly Paige killed Conor.
590
00:38:24,860 --> 00:38:27,060
Yes, but denial -
591
00:38:27,060 --> 00:38:31,060
How are we to know
what Paige Ward's mental state was
592
00:38:31,060 --> 00:38:34,980
when Conor's blood splashed all over
the front of her shirt
593
00:38:34,980 --> 00:38:37,940
or when she carved her initial
into his stomach?
594
00:38:37,940 --> 00:38:41,740
Does my learned friend assume
the witness has psychic powers?
595
00:38:41,740 --> 00:38:43,980
How else could he answer
such questions?
596
00:38:43,980 --> 00:38:47,020
Please reserve questions regarding
blood evidence
597
00:38:47,020 --> 00:38:51,500
for the appropriate expert witness.
Apologies. No further questions.
598
00:38:53,420 --> 00:38:55,700
"Evil from the day she was born."
599
00:38:55,700 --> 00:38:58,220
How can a mother say that
about her own child?
600
00:38:58,220 --> 00:39:00,580
Trial by tabloid,
just what we needed.
601
00:39:00,580 --> 00:39:02,740
The trial's not even over
602
00:39:02,740 --> 00:39:05,180
and she has the public baying
for her daughter's blood!
603
00:39:05,180 --> 00:39:06,940
Along with the jury.
604
00:39:06,940 --> 00:39:11,220
Any chance of them believing
her diminished responsibility,
her mum just blew it.
605
00:39:11,220 --> 00:39:13,660
Find a way to make
that jury see what we see.
606
00:39:13,660 --> 00:39:16,860
I'm sorry. I don't know
what else we can do.
607
00:39:16,860 --> 00:39:19,980
Make them see Conor Reid
is not the only victim.
608
00:39:19,980 --> 00:39:22,700
Rose Shaw is an abused child.
She's a victim, too.
609
00:39:30,860 --> 00:39:32,620
No comment.
610
00:39:32,620 --> 00:39:35,700
Reporting restrictions exist
to protect your daughter.
611
00:39:35,700 --> 00:39:37,660
You don't care about her welfare.
612
00:39:37,660 --> 00:39:41,620
I don't know what you mean.
Thanks to your snivelling
to the tabloids,
613
00:39:41,620 --> 00:39:45,660
the whole country have already made
up their minds about her.
614
00:39:45,660 --> 00:39:47,980
You shouldn't be talking to her.
615
00:39:47,980 --> 00:39:50,420
Why not? She isn't a witness.
She should be.
616
00:39:50,420 --> 00:39:53,900
If the jury saw her true colours,
they'd lock her up, not Rose.
617
00:39:56,180 --> 00:39:58,060
So let's call her.
618
00:40:06,660 --> 00:40:09,220
Can you tell the court
how you make your living?
619
00:40:11,180 --> 00:40:13,100
I ain't on trial here.
620
00:40:13,940 --> 00:40:16,460
Can you answer the question, please?
621
00:40:16,460 --> 00:40:20,300
I'm a masseur. You're a prostitute,
are you not?
622
00:40:20,300 --> 00:40:23,420
We don't all have parents
to fund us through university.
623
00:40:23,420 --> 00:40:25,860
Is Rose aware of what you do?
624
00:40:27,620 --> 00:40:29,740
When the police came
to talk to Rose,
625
00:40:29,740 --> 00:40:33,020
you were engaged in a sex act
while she was in the next room.
626
00:40:33,020 --> 00:40:36,300
Plenty of mums
work from home these days.
627
00:40:36,300 --> 00:40:39,860
Rose told Dr Marsh
she'd seen her mother working.
628
00:40:39,860 --> 00:40:44,180
Doctors twist things. She'd also
seen sadistic pornographic films
629
00:40:44,180 --> 00:40:47,820
which you watched with clients.
They turn her into a killer?
630
00:40:47,820 --> 00:40:51,900
Did one DVD show a man passing out
having been manually asphyxiated
631
00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:56,420
during sex, and another showed a man
taking pleasure in being cut?
632
00:40:56,420 --> 00:40:56,540
during sex, and another showed a man
taking pleasure in being cut?
633
00:40:56,540 --> 00:40:59,180
You can't prove she saw them.
Can you prove she didn't?
634
00:40:59,180 --> 00:41:02,460
I done my best for her.
Were you doing your best for Rose
635
00:41:02,460 --> 00:41:05,740
when you tried to give her to
a stranger when she was six weeks?
636
00:41:05,740 --> 00:41:08,580
I was 16. It weren't easy
stuck on your own with a kid.
637
00:41:08,580 --> 00:41:12,060
What about when you sold her cot
to fund your crystal meth habit?
638
00:41:12,060 --> 00:41:15,500
I had a problem then. I owed money.
Rose don't go without now.
639
00:41:15,500 --> 00:41:19,980
Because you work as a prostitute
in a room next door to hers?
640
00:41:19,980 --> 00:41:22,620
She don't see nothing.
She doesn't hear it?
641
00:41:22,620 --> 00:41:25,340
She doesn't deal with the fallout?
642
00:41:25,340 --> 00:41:28,140
Like the time you were beaten
senseless by a client?
643
00:41:28,140 --> 00:41:31,500
That only happened once.
How would you have protected Rose
644
00:41:31,500 --> 00:41:34,780
if this client had decided
to turn his attentions to her?
645
00:41:34,780 --> 00:41:37,460
He didn't.
Can you be sure of that?
646
00:41:37,460 --> 00:41:39,900
You were unconscious
for quite some time.
647
00:41:39,900 --> 00:41:43,900
It wasn't until your next client
turned up six hours later
648
00:41:43,900 --> 00:41:46,220
that an ambulance was called.
Rose was OK.
649
00:41:46,220 --> 00:41:48,580
Rose was four.
She thought you were dead.
650
00:41:48,580 --> 00:41:52,140
But you don't really care
what happens to her. Not true.
651
00:41:52,140 --> 00:41:56,620
You don't care that she's choking
a five-year-old boy so long as it
doesn't interfere with your habit.
652
00:41:56,620 --> 00:41:56,860
You don't care that she's choking
a five-year-old boy so long as it
doesn't interfere with your habit.
653
00:41:56,860 --> 00:41:58,940
You're making out I'm a bad mum.
654
00:41:58,940 --> 00:42:02,620
I am shouting it loud and clear.
You are a terrible mum.
655
00:42:02,620 --> 00:42:06,620
You haven't got the first idea
how to take care of your own child.
656
00:42:06,620 --> 00:42:09,660
I didn't kill that kid.
You might as well have done.
657
00:42:09,660 --> 00:42:14,060
You turned her into exactly
what she is, did you not?
658
00:42:14,060 --> 00:42:15,340
You turned her into exactly
what she is, did you not?
659
00:42:23,980 --> 00:42:25,900
No further questions, My Lord.
660
00:42:41,340 --> 00:42:44,780
On the charge of murder,
how do you find?
661
00:42:45,740 --> 00:42:47,660
Guilty.
662
00:42:57,820 --> 00:43:01,140
Rose Shaw,
663
00:43:01,140 --> 00:43:03,780
you have been found guilty
of murder.
664
00:43:05,420 --> 00:43:07,580
You alone are responsible
for the death
665
00:43:07,580 --> 00:43:09,780
of a defenceless five-year-old boy.
666
00:43:12,340 --> 00:43:16,860
What you did to that child is
every parent's worst nightmare.
667
00:43:20,780 --> 00:43:24,260
I've heard all I need
regarding your state of mind
668
00:43:24,260 --> 00:43:26,980
and the circumstances
of your background,
669
00:43:26,980 --> 00:43:30,740
and see no need to wait for
further reports before sentencing.
670
00:43:33,340 --> 00:43:37,820
I hereby sentence you to be detained
at Her Majesty's pleasure
671
00:43:37,820 --> 00:43:41,060
with a minimum term of 12 years.
672
00:43:45,860 --> 00:43:48,220
Rose!
673
00:43:48,220 --> 00:43:51,180
Mum! Mum, please!
674
00:43:53,740 --> 00:43:55,860
Mum, please!
675
00:43:55,860 --> 00:43:58,260
Rose!
676
00:43:59,780 --> 00:44:01,740
Mum!
677
00:44:16,900 --> 00:44:20,020
Will she serve the whole 12 years?
678
00:44:20,020 --> 00:44:24,180
I don't know. Dr Marsh has agreed
to work with her in the secure unit.
679
00:44:24,180 --> 00:44:26,940
When she's 15, rest assured
680
00:44:26,940 --> 00:44:29,900
I will personally appeal
against her move to prison.
681
00:44:34,540 --> 00:44:37,300
Conor used to sleep in my bed.
682
00:44:37,300 --> 00:44:39,060
I never could settle him into a cot.
683
00:44:40,900 --> 00:44:43,060
In my arms he'd sleep
ten hours straight.
684
00:44:44,540 --> 00:44:48,220
I used to watch him half the night,
thinking how lucky I was.
685
00:44:52,220 --> 00:44:54,980
I bet no-one ever looked
at Rose Shaw and felt lucky.
686
00:45:00,340 --> 00:45:02,300
BOY: Thanks.
687
00:45:08,740 --> 00:45:12,660
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