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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:04,204 --> 00:00:07,173 - EASTWOOD: I've always said that I learn - Something new on every picture. 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:09,676 Not only about picture-making... 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 5 00:00:09,743 --> 00:00:11,295 about personalities, 6 00:00:11,296 --> 00:00:12,846 with crew and cast... 7 00:00:13,546 --> 00:00:14,848 but also about yourself. 8 00:00:17,717 --> 00:00:19,886 HACKMAN: He's a likable guy, 9 00:00:19,887 --> 00:00:22,055 and you see that in his films. 10 00:00:22,155 --> 00:00:24,691 - The camera kind of doesn't lie - About that kind of thing. 11 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,896 There's no doubt that he is the link... 12 00:00:30,497 --> 00:00:33,566 - ...from the cinema - That I grew up with and loved... 13 00:00:33,666 --> 00:00:34,734 to the modern day. 14 00:00:34,834 --> 00:00:36,703 What else is he gonna do? 15 00:00:36,704 --> 00:00:38,571 Because he's surprised us so many times. 16 00:00:39,072 --> 00:00:40,673 - SWANK: - Life is exciting to him. 17 00:00:40,740 --> 00:00:43,610 He always wants to try something new. 18 00:00:44,210 --> 00:00:46,129 HARDEN: I think Clint Eastwood has a style 19 00:00:46,130 --> 00:00:48,048 of directing and dealing with people. 20 00:00:48,114 --> 00:00:50,617 But I think he's a style in progress. 21 00:00:50,717 --> 00:00:53,453 - He'd be the first person to say - He doesn't know everything. 22 00:00:53,553 --> 00:00:55,622 - The first person to say - He makes mistakes. 23 00:00:56,122 --> 00:00:59,392 - HOLBROOK: He's proved something - About the difficulty of achievement... 24 00:01:00,060 --> 00:01:01,795 dedication to a principle... 25 00:01:02,695 --> 00:01:05,398 the willingness to always learn more. 26 00:01:06,199 --> 00:01:10,136 Not just sit and collect your check. 27 00:01:14,307 --> 00:01:15,609 GRAZER: 28 00:01:15,610 --> 00:01:16,910 He's quietly competitive. 29 00:01:16,976 --> 00:01:18,928 Beneath the creativity 30 00:01:18,929 --> 00:01:20,880 and the gentle nature that he has... 31 00:01:22,148 --> 00:01:23,817 he is very driven. 32 00:01:25,218 --> 00:01:28,488 He continues to astonish all of us... 33 00:01:28,588 --> 00:01:30,340 who thought we got the idea 34 00:01:30,341 --> 00:01:32,092 of what a Clint Eastwood was all about. 35 00:01:32,158 --> 00:01:34,427 And the second we try to pigeonhole him... 36 00:01:34,494 --> 00:01:37,630 - ...he does something else out of left field - to make us eat our words. 37 00:01:38,298 --> 00:01:41,551 Time and time again, you'll see him know 38 00:01:41,552 --> 00:01:44,804 the kind of influence that he has on people. 39 00:01:45,672 --> 00:01:47,424 And he will, in the subtlest ways, 40 00:01:47,425 --> 00:01:49,175 make them comfortable. 41 00:01:49,275 --> 00:01:51,478 There's a lot I'm curious about him. 42 00:01:51,479 --> 00:01:53,680 And I'm not sure he's telling. 43 00:01:53,780 --> 00:01:55,281 I think he's inspirational. 44 00:01:56,950 --> 00:01:59,819 I've waited 75 years for this. 45 00:02:02,021 --> 00:02:03,723 {\an8}I think Clint has changed the paradigm 46 00:02:03,724 --> 00:02:05,425 {\an8}of his own image... 47 00:02:05,492 --> 00:02:08,461 - {\an8}...several times in his lifetime - In this business. 48 00:02:08,528 --> 00:02:09,796 You get the conversion... 49 00:02:09,863 --> 00:02:12,532 - HARDEN: I think he understands - That stagnant equals death. 50 00:02:12,632 --> 00:02:15,285 {\an8}His mind is always open 51 00:02:15,286 --> 00:02:17,937 {\an8}to the intake of creativity. 52 00:02:18,338 --> 00:02:19,439 -All right. Ready? 53 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:20,540 MAN: Yup. 54 00:02:20,640 --> 00:02:21,641 Go ahead now. 55 00:02:22,008 --> 00:02:23,452 - STREEP: - He's interested in the story. 56 00:02:23,476 --> 00:02:25,395 {\an8}He doesn't have to take jobs. 57 00:02:25,396 --> 00:02:27,313 {\an8}He takes it because he's interested. 58 00:02:27,780 --> 00:02:29,382 {\an8}And one of the things... 59 00:02:29,482 --> 00:02:31,718 {\an8}...that makes him 60 00:02:31,719 --> 00:02:33,953 {\an8}most wonderful to me... 61 00:02:34,020 --> 00:02:35,989 is I like to see somebody 62 00:02:35,990 --> 00:02:37,957 come out of the shadows, as it were... 63 00:02:38,024 --> 00:02:39,459 and fool everybody... 64 00:02:40,193 --> 00:02:41,628 at how good they are. 65 00:02:43,730 --> 00:02:45,465 {\an8}Get off my lawn. 66 00:02:45,532 --> 00:02:47,751 {\an8}-You might be interested in training me. 67 00:02:47,752 --> 00:02:49,969 {\an8}-I don't train girls. 68 00:02:50,036 --> 00:02:51,404 {\an8}You wanna leave your husband? 69 00:02:53,873 --> 00:02:54,908 No. 70 00:02:55,008 --> 00:02:57,294 {\an8}-Well, I guess they had it coming. 71 00:02:57,295 --> 00:02:59,579 {\an8}-We all have it coming, kid. 72 00:02:59,679 --> 00:03:01,381 When I was a young contract player 73 00:03:01,382 --> 00:03:03,082 back in early '50s... 74 00:03:03,183 --> 00:03:05,001 I used to go down to the sound stages 75 00:03:05,002 --> 00:03:06,819 mainly to watch the actors. 76 00:03:06,886 --> 00:03:08,571 I was trying to learn as much as I could 77 00:03:08,572 --> 00:03:10,256 about the acting profession. 78 00:03:10,356 --> 00:03:11,608 But I was always curious 79 00:03:11,609 --> 00:03:12,859 about the directors... 80 00:03:12,926 --> 00:03:15,195 - ...and about how - They were putting it together. 81 00:03:15,929 --> 00:03:18,381 {\an8}He didn't wear jodhpurs and a cowboy hat 82 00:03:18,382 --> 00:03:20,833 {\an8}and smoke and have a lorgnette. 83 00:03:21,167 --> 00:03:23,369 - He didn't go for the trappings, - He just did it. 84 00:03:23,903 --> 00:03:25,655 {\an8}I think he was just born 85 00:03:25,656 --> 00:03:27,407 {\an8}with that kind of creativity. 86 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:29,609 The few things that he told me about, 87 00:03:29,610 --> 00:03:31,377 you know, being a pool boy... 88 00:03:31,444 --> 00:03:34,681 - ...his dad running a filling station, - Money was tight. 89 00:03:34,747 --> 00:03:36,683 And he grew up 90 00:03:36,684 --> 00:03:38,618 understanding the economy of scale. 91 00:03:39,185 --> 00:03:41,404 BACON: He has a really good understanding 92 00:03:41,405 --> 00:03:43,623 of people... 93 00:03:43,723 --> 00:03:46,226 {\an8}...and of how complex we are 94 00:03:46,227 --> 00:03:48,728 {\an8}as human beings. 95 00:03:49,195 --> 00:03:51,047 {\an8}There's a "seemingly simplicity" 96 00:03:51,048 --> 00:03:52,899 {\an8}to the style. 97 00:03:53,299 --> 00:03:54,601 - {\an8}EASTWOOD: - Okay. 98 00:03:54,701 --> 00:03:57,120 {\an8}-Let's just fire one off to see where we are. 99 00:03:57,121 --> 00:03:59,539 {\an8}WOMAN: Okay. 100 00:03:59,606 --> 00:04:01,975 - His personality as a filmmaker - Is not forced on you. 101 00:04:02,075 --> 00:04:04,110 The things that he's directing, 102 00:04:04,111 --> 00:04:06,145 he cares a great deal about. 103 00:04:06,246 --> 00:04:07,890 - GRAZER: - I think he just trusts his gut. 104 00:04:07,914 --> 00:04:09,783 It probably started early in Rawhide 105 00:04:09,784 --> 00:04:11,651 in Hollywood and he started with nothing. 106 00:04:11,751 --> 00:04:13,687 {\an8}And, you know, he earned his way 107 00:04:13,688 --> 00:04:15,622 {\an8}into a great situation. 108 00:04:16,055 --> 00:04:18,324 - In the late '50s - When I started on Rawhide... 109 00:04:18,424 --> 00:04:21,728 - ...you have different directors every week - coming and doing a show. 110 00:04:21,794 --> 00:04:24,597 - You start finding out what you like, - What you don't like... 111 00:04:24,664 --> 00:04:26,399 about various characteristics 112 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,134 the directors have. 113 00:04:28,234 --> 00:04:31,504 - Finally, one day, I started thinking, - "I gotta try this myself." 114 00:04:31,604 --> 00:04:34,941 - And he began to realize, - you know, "I could do this," I would think. 115 00:04:35,008 --> 00:04:38,077 - I'm not putting words in his mouth, - "I have the heart for it." 116 00:04:38,144 --> 00:04:40,313 The first time I worked for Clint... 117 00:04:40,413 --> 00:04:42,115 the history that I knew of Clint 118 00:04:42,116 --> 00:04:43,816 was Rawhide. 119 00:04:43,916 --> 00:04:46,002 Because as a little girl, 120 00:04:46,003 --> 00:04:48,087 my sisters and I would watch Rawhide... 121 00:04:48,154 --> 00:04:49,372 and we would get to be 122 00:04:49,373 --> 00:04:50,590 the different characters. 123 00:04:50,657 --> 00:04:53,526 - My sister got to be Rawhide, - The other got to be the girl... 124 00:04:53,626 --> 00:04:54,811 I had to be the cook, 125 00:04:54,812 --> 00:04:55,995 but we loved him. 126 00:04:56,529 --> 00:04:58,898 HANCOCK: The directors that influenced 127 00:04:58,899 --> 00:05:01,267 him most were Sergio Leone and Don Siegel. 128 00:05:01,334 --> 00:05:02,802 {\an8}Such different directors, 129 00:05:02,803 --> 00:05:04,270 {\an8}but in Clint movie's... 130 00:05:04,337 --> 00:05:06,056 {\an8}...you can see the impact that both 131 00:05:06,057 --> 00:05:07,774 {\an8}of them had on him. 132 00:05:07,840 --> 00:05:10,043 {\an8}How was Sergio Leone able to influence? 133 00:05:10,143 --> 00:05:12,596 {\an8}Not exactly sure how, but if you look 134 00:05:12,597 --> 00:05:15,048 {\an8}at the mechanics of those movies... 135 00:05:15,148 --> 00:05:17,450 they didn't rely on a lot of dialogue. 136 00:05:18,051 --> 00:05:20,987 - EASTWOOD: But he was great. - He had a very vivid imagination. 137 00:05:21,054 --> 00:05:23,890 - When we did the first one, - He didn't shoot many close-ups. 138 00:05:23,990 --> 00:05:26,693 - Being from television, I said, - "Well, you know, I've..." 139 00:05:26,793 --> 00:05:29,529 - I'm playing kind of a crazy character, - You gotta... 140 00:05:29,629 --> 00:05:32,098 So instead of doing the close-ups like this, 141 00:05:32,099 --> 00:05:34,567 he would go to... He'd go... 142 00:05:34,667 --> 00:05:36,336 {\an8}He'd do everything in broad strokes. 143 00:05:41,974 --> 00:05:44,677 - EASTWOOD: The way he approached things - Was so unusual. 144 00:05:44,744 --> 00:05:46,996 He always had a childlike glee 145 00:05:46,997 --> 00:05:49,248 about things. 146 00:05:49,349 --> 00:05:51,184 One time we were shooting in Spain... 147 00:05:51,250 --> 00:05:53,319 and he wanted a tree... 148 00:05:53,386 --> 00:05:54,788 with a hangman's noose 149 00:05:54,789 --> 00:05:56,189 hanging from it... 150 00:05:56,255 --> 00:05:57,874 as sort of a threat to anybody 151 00:05:57,875 --> 00:05:59,492 who's riding by. 152 00:05:59,859 --> 00:06:01,928 And there were no trees in southern Spain, 153 00:06:01,929 --> 00:06:03,996 and Almería was just desolate. 154 00:06:04,063 --> 00:06:05,715 But there was this one yard, 155 00:06:05,716 --> 00:06:07,367 had an old big dead tree. 156 00:06:07,433 --> 00:06:09,168 He goes to the house and he just, 157 00:06:09,169 --> 00:06:10,903 all of a sudden, goes in their yard... 158 00:06:11,003 --> 00:06:13,606 - ...and has the crew out there - Sawing down this tree. 159 00:06:13,706 --> 00:06:15,491 And of course the guy comes out 160 00:06:15,492 --> 00:06:17,276 who owned the house... 161 00:06:17,377 --> 00:06:19,078 and he was incensed. 162 00:06:19,178 --> 00:06:21,881 - And so Sergio told him - He was from the Highway Department... 163 00:06:22,448 --> 00:06:23,700 and that the tree 164 00:06:23,701 --> 00:06:24,951 was a safety hazard... 165 00:06:25,051 --> 00:06:28,054 - ...because it was gonna fall on the road. - We had to take it out. 166 00:06:28,121 --> 00:06:30,123 And here he is, an Italian speaking 167 00:06:30,124 --> 00:06:32,125 with an Italian accent to this Spaniard... 168 00:06:32,225 --> 00:06:33,960 and he convinces him 169 00:06:33,961 --> 00:06:35,695 that he's from the Highway Department. 170 00:06:36,596 --> 00:06:38,248 {\an8}I came back into the States, 171 00:06:38,249 --> 00:06:39,899 {\an8}started doing American films. 172 00:06:39,966 --> 00:06:42,335 {\an8}And in 1970, 173 00:06:42,336 --> 00:06:44,704 {\an8}I found this script, Play Misty for Me. 174 00:06:44,771 --> 00:06:46,656 I actually found it in 1969, 175 00:06:46,657 --> 00:06:48,541 and I was just fascinated by it. 176 00:06:48,608 --> 00:06:51,110 - {\an8}I know - That when he did Play Misty for Me... 177 00:06:51,210 --> 00:06:53,546 - ...he had gone to Lew Wasserman - At Universal... 178 00:06:53,613 --> 00:06:56,048 - ...made a deal - So he could direct his first movie. 179 00:06:56,115 --> 00:06:59,218 And he said, "Yeah, that's fine." 180 00:06:59,285 --> 00:07:01,087 And I was completely surprised. 181 00:07:01,154 --> 00:07:03,406 And my agent, Lenny Hirshan, was there 182 00:07:03,407 --> 00:07:05,658 with me, and he came to me and says: 183 00:07:05,758 --> 00:07:07,510 "Yeah, there's just one additional thing 184 00:07:07,511 --> 00:07:09,262 that they forgot to mention. 185 00:07:09,328 --> 00:07:10,630 They don't wanna pay you." 186 00:07:10,997 --> 00:07:12,866 To me, I said, "They shouldn't. They 187 00:07:12,867 --> 00:07:14,734 shouldn't pay me anything. I'll pay them." 188 00:07:14,801 --> 00:07:17,470 - I said, "They should make... - I should have to prove myself." 189 00:07:18,805 --> 00:07:20,223 {\an8}-What do you want, Evelyn? 190 00:07:20,224 --> 00:07:21,641 {\an8}-One Coke. 191 00:07:22,508 --> 00:07:24,844 I'll tell you, tonight I'm really whipped. 192 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:29,115 [GIGGLES] 193 00:07:30,483 --> 00:07:32,552 I think the first time I knew Clint Eastwood 194 00:07:32,553 --> 00:07:34,620 beyond his iconic status... 195 00:07:34,687 --> 00:07:36,589 as an international matinee idol... 196 00:07:37,156 --> 00:07:40,293 - ...was when I saw Play Misty for Me - For the first time. 197 00:07:40,359 --> 00:07:42,829 - And along with the rest of Hollywood, - Clint was... 198 00:07:42,929 --> 00:07:45,264 Overnight, we all recognized Clint... 199 00:07:45,932 --> 00:07:47,567 you know, 200 00:07:47,568 --> 00:07:49,202 to be a fantastic filmmaker... 201 00:07:49,302 --> 00:07:52,004 - ...someone who is really a storyteller, - Not just an actor... 202 00:07:52,505 --> 00:07:54,841 - ...whose job - Was to tell someone else's stories. 203 00:07:56,609 --> 00:07:59,045 {\an8}With Don Siegel, he started to get interested 204 00:07:59,046 --> 00:08:01,481 {\an8}in the other side of the camera. 205 00:08:01,547 --> 00:08:03,616 {\an8}You know, he really did 206 00:08:03,617 --> 00:08:05,685 {\an8}kind of watch Don Siegel a lot... 207 00:08:05,785 --> 00:08:08,654 - ...and learned the kind of basic craft - Of making movies. 208 00:08:08,721 --> 00:08:10,199 - EASTWOOD: - He was just a terrific guy. 209 00:08:10,223 --> 00:08:12,592 He didn't waver from his confidence. 210 00:08:12,593 --> 00:08:14,961 He liked what he liked and he moved on. 211 00:08:15,027 --> 00:08:16,746 If something wasn't working, if you offer 212 00:08:16,747 --> 00:08:18,464 something to improve the scene... 213 00:08:18,998 --> 00:08:20,666 he was the first guy to grab it. 214 00:08:20,733 --> 00:08:22,735 - He used to joke. - He said, "Yeah, anybody. 215 00:08:22,835 --> 00:08:24,787 The janitor can come up to me and give me 216 00:08:24,788 --> 00:08:26,739 an idea. If it's good, I'll steal it." 217 00:08:26,839 --> 00:08:28,858 {\an8}They had a great relationship, 218 00:08:28,859 --> 00:08:30,877 {\an8}worked quite a few films together. 219 00:08:31,210 --> 00:08:33,596 And then Siegel was in Play Misty for Me 220 00:08:33,597 --> 00:08:35,982 and... 221 00:08:37,216 --> 00:08:38,251 I think as a bartender. 222 00:08:39,719 --> 00:08:42,522 - EASTWOOD: I gave Don a part - Because I thought it would be fun. 223 00:08:42,588 --> 00:08:45,925 - I said, "Wouldn't you want to play - This bartender?" He says, "I would. 224 00:08:46,025 --> 00:08:47,944 I'd like to do it, but you should just have 225 00:08:47,945 --> 00:08:49,862 a really good character actor do it." 226 00:08:49,929 --> 00:08:51,931 And I said, "No, no. I was kidding." 227 00:08:52,031 --> 00:08:53,850 Half kidding, maybe I was half serious too. 228 00:08:53,851 --> 00:08:55,668 I said, "You'll be better for it. 229 00:08:55,735 --> 00:08:58,271 - You have more understanding of actors - For playing it. 230 00:08:58,371 --> 00:08:59,889 And I'll have you there 231 00:08:59,890 --> 00:09:01,407 in case anything goes wrong." 232 00:09:02,108 --> 00:09:03,576 I copied from Don Siegel, 233 00:09:03,577 --> 00:09:05,044 a technique that he used. 234 00:09:05,111 --> 00:09:06,863 I would write down all my notes 235 00:09:06,864 --> 00:09:08,614 on the opposite page... 236 00:09:08,714 --> 00:09:11,617 - ...and then I'd get it all planned out. - I said, "I got this." 237 00:09:11,717 --> 00:09:13,419 I turned out the light, I'm sitting there, 238 00:09:13,420 --> 00:09:15,121 just almost going to sleep... 239 00:09:15,221 --> 00:09:17,023 I woke up, I said, "Wait a second. 240 00:09:17,089 --> 00:09:20,192 - I've gotta speak, I've gotta command, - I've gotta be ready to go." 241 00:09:20,259 --> 00:09:22,962 - So I had to turn on the light, - Sit back up... 242 00:09:23,062 --> 00:09:25,798 - ...go through it - From a whole other perspective. 243 00:09:25,898 --> 00:09:27,734 Then I realized that this ain't gonna be 244 00:09:27,735 --> 00:09:29,569 an easy job doing both things. 245 00:09:29,635 --> 00:09:30,970 But then after a while, 246 00:09:30,971 --> 00:09:32,305 you get used to it. 247 00:09:32,805 --> 00:09:34,540 {\an8}Film the whole thing of this converging. 248 00:09:34,541 --> 00:09:36,275 {\an8}It'll start moving... 249 00:09:36,776 --> 00:09:38,962 I really don't understand how people direct 250 00:09:38,963 --> 00:09:41,147 and act at the same time. 251 00:09:42,882 --> 00:09:45,818 {\an8}And then to produce, direct and act... 252 00:09:46,252 --> 00:09:48,788 {\an8}...all at the same time 253 00:09:48,789 --> 00:09:51,324 {\an8}is a pretty daunting task. 254 00:09:51,424 --> 00:09:53,293 If you're an actor and start to direct, 255 00:09:53,294 --> 00:09:55,161 it must give you a great appreciation... 256 00:09:55,261 --> 00:09:57,096 for how hard the director's job is. 257 00:09:57,163 --> 00:09:59,232 If you're an actor, you'd have to be an idiot 258 00:09:59,233 --> 00:10:01,300 not to know how hard a director's job is. 259 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:02,401 You see that. 260 00:10:03,002 --> 00:10:06,238 - SWANK: It was interesting having your co-star - also be your director. 261 00:10:06,639 --> 00:10:10,076 - It's nerve-racking just because he's Clint. - He's an anomaly. 262 00:10:10,142 --> 00:10:12,144 {\an8}He's a legend. 263 00:10:12,244 --> 00:10:15,114 - {\an8}Hard at first because you're looking - At Clint Eastwood. 264 00:10:15,748 --> 00:10:18,434 {\an8}And then you just get into your groove, 265 00:10:18,435 --> 00:10:21,120 {\an8}and I started seeing him as his character. 266 00:10:21,187 --> 00:10:23,155 Then he was also directing me. 267 00:10:23,255 --> 00:10:24,440 You don't even know 268 00:10:24,441 --> 00:10:25,625 you're being directed. 269 00:10:27,426 --> 00:10:28,628 Boss. 270 00:10:28,694 --> 00:10:30,696 That little house we talked about? 271 00:10:31,430 --> 00:10:32,865 I bought it. 272 00:10:32,965 --> 00:10:35,201 Well, smart girl. 273 00:10:35,301 --> 00:10:36,469 For my mama. 274 00:10:42,341 --> 00:10:43,442 Okay. 275 00:10:43,509 --> 00:10:46,429 His ability to see and watch 276 00:10:46,430 --> 00:10:49,348 while he's acting with me... 277 00:10:49,448 --> 00:10:52,518 is nothing short of astonishing. 278 00:10:52,618 --> 00:10:54,887 I never felt him directing me... 279 00:10:54,987 --> 00:10:57,690 - ...while we were acting in a scene together, - except once. 280 00:10:57,790 --> 00:10:59,726 {\an8}A scene in the kitchen 281 00:10:59,727 --> 00:11:01,661 {\an8}talking about his exploits in Africa. 282 00:11:02,028 --> 00:11:03,763 {\an8}For an actor, 283 00:11:03,764 --> 00:11:05,498 {\an8}there's no more disconcerting feeling... 284 00:11:05,564 --> 00:11:08,501 - ...than knowing that the person - You're in the scene with... 285 00:11:08,567 --> 00:11:10,803 has absented himself. 286 00:11:10,870 --> 00:11:12,672 He was watching the movie. 287 00:11:13,739 --> 00:11:14,807 [CHUCKLES] 288 00:11:15,207 --> 00:11:17,910 - He was watching me, - But he wasn't in the scene with me. 289 00:11:18,010 --> 00:11:21,514 - I said something - because I really had never felt that before. 290 00:11:21,580 --> 00:11:23,899 And he said, "You're right. You're right. 291 00:11:23,900 --> 00:11:26,218 It'll never happen again." It never did. 292 00:11:26,318 --> 00:11:28,371 {\an8}Directing a movie that he's in, 293 00:11:28,372 --> 00:11:30,423 {\an8}he understands the pitches... 294 00:11:30,523 --> 00:11:31,924 that he hits really well. 295 00:11:32,024 --> 00:11:33,726 And he sets himself up to succeed. 296 00:11:35,561 --> 00:11:39,065 {\an8}Girly, tough ain't enough. 297 00:11:39,165 --> 00:11:41,500 - SWANK: When people think of him, - They think of the guy: 298 00:11:41,567 --> 00:11:43,245 - [IN RASPY VOICE] - "Go ahead, make my day." 299 00:11:43,269 --> 00:11:46,238 - [IN NORMAL VOICE] - You know, like coming out with guns and... 300 00:11:46,338 --> 00:11:48,441 Dirty Harry and... 301 00:11:49,775 --> 00:11:52,094 Yet Clint has one of the biggest hearts 302 00:11:52,095 --> 00:11:54,413 of anyone I know. 303 00:11:55,681 --> 00:11:57,233 {\an8}SPIELBERG: We were friends. 304 00:11:57,234 --> 00:11:58,784 {\an8}I just, one day, was with Clint. 305 00:11:58,884 --> 00:12:01,003 I said, "I've got this NBC series 306 00:12:01,004 --> 00:12:03,122 I'm doing called Amazing Stories and... 307 00:12:03,222 --> 00:12:04,724 {\an8}Scorsese is gonna direct one." 308 00:12:04,790 --> 00:12:06,592 {\an8}I gave him a list of the directors 309 00:12:06,593 --> 00:12:08,394 {\an8}I was trying to get, feature directors... 310 00:12:08,461 --> 00:12:10,930 to make these half-an-hour 311 00:12:10,931 --> 00:12:13,399 television anthological stories... 312 00:12:13,466 --> 00:12:14,951 and I offered him something 313 00:12:14,952 --> 00:12:16,435 that I had written myself... 314 00:12:16,535 --> 00:12:18,120 called Vanessa in the Garden. 315 00:12:18,121 --> 00:12:19,705 And he liked it. 316 00:12:19,772 --> 00:12:22,475 {\an8}And he mounted it and he directed it... 317 00:12:22,575 --> 00:12:24,610 and he cast my mother in it 318 00:12:24,611 --> 00:12:26,645 as a glorified extra. 319 00:12:26,746 --> 00:12:28,981 - One of the greatest things he did - For my family. 320 00:12:29,081 --> 00:12:31,817 - Getting my mother on television - For the first time. 321 00:12:31,917 --> 00:12:33,919 Only Clint Eastwood could do that. 322 00:12:33,986 --> 00:12:35,988 HARDEN: I don't think Clint takes himself 323 00:12:35,989 --> 00:12:37,990 so seriously. 324 00:12:38,090 --> 00:12:39,942 I think he takes the business seriously, 325 00:12:39,943 --> 00:12:41,794 but not himself seriously. 326 00:12:41,894 --> 00:12:44,347 JONES: Sometimes it was hard to get a take 327 00:12:44,348 --> 00:12:46,799 on the first because everybody's laughing. 328 00:12:46,899 --> 00:12:50,136 - And that's very important. - That infuses the film with spirit. 329 00:12:50,236 --> 00:12:51,804 Even if it's a sad scene. 330 00:12:51,904 --> 00:12:53,506 {\an8}If everybody's having fun... 331 00:12:53,606 --> 00:12:56,742 {\an8}...then the audience is all the closer. 332 00:12:56,809 --> 00:12:58,310 I don't like contention. 333 00:12:58,410 --> 00:13:01,280 I don't like bells ringing, people yelling. 334 00:13:01,647 --> 00:13:03,415 I like everything to be smooth. 335 00:13:03,482 --> 00:13:06,318 - I think it should be... - If it isn't fun, we shouldn't be there. 336 00:13:06,952 --> 00:13:10,022 - BACON: I'll never forget, - We were doing a scene with a guy. 337 00:13:10,122 --> 00:13:12,158 I guess the guy was a little nervous, 338 00:13:12,159 --> 00:13:14,193 you know. He was a little unsure of himself. 339 00:13:14,293 --> 00:13:17,196 - Clint took me aside, he said, - "You know, sometimes it helps... 340 00:13:17,296 --> 00:13:19,031 if you could screw up a little bit. 341 00:13:19,032 --> 00:13:20,766 It might make the guy feel like: 342 00:13:20,833 --> 00:13:22,718 'If Kevin's screwing up, then anybody 343 00:13:22,719 --> 00:13:24,603 can screw up and I can do better.'" 344 00:13:24,670 --> 00:13:27,173 - And I was like, - "Wow, that's a really interesting idea." 345 00:13:27,273 --> 00:13:29,075 So the next take, you know, 346 00:13:29,076 --> 00:13:30,876 I went in and I flubbed my line. 347 00:13:31,310 --> 00:13:33,162 And sure enough, the guy got better. 348 00:13:33,163 --> 00:13:35,014 He got stronger. 349 00:13:35,114 --> 00:13:36,816 And then I went in and did another take 350 00:13:36,817 --> 00:13:38,517 and flubbed my lines. 351 00:13:38,617 --> 00:13:40,986 - Clint said, - "Okay, that's enough screwing up." Ha, ha. 352 00:13:41,487 --> 00:13:44,690 - HACKMAN: On Unforgiven, - it occurred to me that there was a time... 353 00:13:44,790 --> 00:13:46,592 when a bunch of studio heads 354 00:13:46,593 --> 00:13:48,394 came up to the film... 355 00:13:48,494 --> 00:13:51,397 - ...and Clint had his helicopter up there - In Canada. 356 00:13:51,497 --> 00:13:53,616 He had his pilot fly them down to the set. 357 00:13:53,617 --> 00:13:55,734 It was no big deal. 358 00:13:55,835 --> 00:13:57,903 They weren't pressuring you or anything. 359 00:13:58,003 --> 00:14:00,673 - When they called lunch, - Clint looked at me, he says: 360 00:14:00,739 --> 00:14:02,808 "You wanna go for a ride?" 361 00:14:02,875 --> 00:14:05,010 And I said, "Yeah, sure." 362 00:14:05,077 --> 00:14:06,829 So we go out, 363 00:14:06,830 --> 00:14:08,581 and Clint was qualified in the helicopter. 364 00:14:08,681 --> 00:14:10,299 We both get in the helicopter. 365 00:14:10,300 --> 00:14:11,917 Ha-ha-ha. 366 00:14:12,017 --> 00:14:13,469 And through the front 367 00:14:13,470 --> 00:14:14,920 Plexiglas window... 368 00:14:15,020 --> 00:14:17,123 you could see 369 00:14:17,124 --> 00:14:19,225 the four or five studio types... 370 00:14:19,325 --> 00:14:22,595 standing there on the hill, you know: 371 00:14:22,695 --> 00:14:25,298 "What in the world?" You know, 372 00:14:25,299 --> 00:14:27,900 these two guys going up in this helicopter. 373 00:14:28,267 --> 00:14:29,401 I loved it. 374 00:14:29,501 --> 00:14:30,679 - MAN 1: All right. - MAN 2: Back to one. 375 00:14:30,703 --> 00:14:32,383 - MAN 3: Drop half a step... - MAN 4: Okay. 376 00:14:33,405 --> 00:14:34,473 {\an8}MAN 3: 377 00:14:34,474 --> 00:14:35,541 {\an8}Get ready, and go. 378 00:14:35,608 --> 00:14:37,326 The only time I ever saw him 379 00:14:37,327 --> 00:14:39,044 rouse himself... 380 00:14:39,111 --> 00:14:40,896 was when I heard... 381 00:14:40,897 --> 00:14:42,681 There was a slight noise outside... 382 00:14:43,282 --> 00:14:45,017 the kitchen where we were shooting 383 00:14:45,018 --> 00:14:46,752 Bridges of Madison County. 384 00:14:46,852 --> 00:14:49,488 Someone moving a truck, you know, 385 00:14:49,489 --> 00:14:52,124 just trying to anticipate his every need... 386 00:14:52,224 --> 00:14:54,760 down the lane, and he heard: 387 00:14:54,860 --> 00:14:56,562 [MUMBLES INCOHERENTLY] 388 00:14:57,529 --> 00:15:00,249 -And he just yelled. 389 00:15:00,250 --> 00:15:02,968 -I'd be terrified to see his temper. 390 00:15:03,068 --> 00:15:04,803 {\an8}Technical difficulty. 391 00:15:05,437 --> 00:15:07,039 {\an8}Holding up things. 392 00:15:07,106 --> 00:15:09,158 Something they couldn't get right 393 00:15:09,159 --> 00:15:11,210 and was holding him up. 394 00:15:11,777 --> 00:15:13,863 And his anger suddenly 395 00:15:13,864 --> 00:15:15,948 was like an explosion: 396 00:15:16,382 --> 00:15:17,750 "Fix it." 397 00:15:18,117 --> 00:15:20,670 That's the only time I've ever seen him 398 00:15:20,671 --> 00:15:23,222 get anywhere beyond placid. 399 00:15:23,289 --> 00:15:25,157 {\an8}I've seen his disappointment in people. 400 00:15:25,257 --> 00:15:26,959 {\an8}And when that happens, 401 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:28,661 {\an8}I've seen the sort of... 402 00:15:28,761 --> 00:15:30,663 The icy side of him. 403 00:15:30,763 --> 00:15:32,632 And... 404 00:15:32,633 --> 00:15:34,500 I've seen him do that to somebody... 405 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,168 and I just never want to be 406 00:15:36,169 --> 00:15:37,736 in that vision myself. 407 00:15:37,803 --> 00:15:40,806 When he yells, it so shocked everyone. 408 00:15:40,906 --> 00:15:43,342 We all had to go lie down. It was really... 409 00:15:45,077 --> 00:15:46,362 He doesn't question 410 00:15:46,363 --> 00:15:47,646 the choices he makes. 411 00:15:48,113 --> 00:15:50,866 He just had that sly confidence 412 00:15:50,867 --> 00:15:53,619 that this is gonna happen. 413 00:15:53,686 --> 00:15:55,404 I think that comes from the roles 414 00:15:55,405 --> 00:15:57,122 that he did over the years... 415 00:15:57,189 --> 00:15:58,958 before he decided to direct. 416 00:15:59,992 --> 00:16:01,711 {\an8}You're thinking, 417 00:16:01,712 --> 00:16:03,429 {\an8}"Did he fire six shots or only five?" 418 00:16:04,330 --> 00:16:07,666 - Now, to tell you the truth, - I forgot myself in all this excitement. 419 00:16:07,766 --> 00:16:09,602 Clint came along with the right product, 420 00:16:09,603 --> 00:16:11,437 the right story, the right character. 421 00:16:11,503 --> 00:16:13,756 And I think the audience just really, 422 00:16:13,757 --> 00:16:16,008 like a magnet, attached itself to it. 423 00:16:16,108 --> 00:16:18,711 - {\an8}It's a fantastic character he created, - And it's iconic. 424 00:16:18,811 --> 00:16:21,547 - And it's part of American lore, - Cinematic lore. 425 00:16:21,647 --> 00:16:23,466 {\an8}It was crossing over a line, 426 00:16:23,467 --> 00:16:25,284 {\an8}caught a wave at the time. 427 00:16:25,851 --> 00:16:27,853 The kind of idea of lawmen 428 00:16:27,854 --> 00:16:29,855 as judge and jury. 429 00:16:30,522 --> 00:16:33,659 You have this extraordinary persona... 430 00:16:33,726 --> 00:16:38,564 that is also... In these films... 431 00:16:38,664 --> 00:16:41,534 going from the Leone pictures 432 00:16:41,535 --> 00:16:44,403 to Dirty Harry, also has a range. 433 00:16:44,503 --> 00:16:47,306 - He's got a range. - You'd wanna see a Clint Eastwood picture. 434 00:16:47,373 --> 00:16:48,874 Didn't matter who directed it. 435 00:16:48,974 --> 00:16:50,676 You go see that persona, 436 00:16:50,677 --> 00:16:52,378 you wanna be in that presence. 437 00:16:52,478 --> 00:16:54,646 - SANTONI: - I remember Don Siegel was sick. 438 00:16:54,713 --> 00:16:56,465 {\an8}They were shooting the scene 439 00:16:56,466 --> 00:16:58,217 {\an8}where there's a jumper. 440 00:16:59,018 --> 00:17:01,553 Clint ended up directing that sequence. 441 00:17:01,653 --> 00:17:03,238 The guy goes up on a... 442 00:17:03,239 --> 00:17:04,823 One of those telescopic cranes... 443 00:17:04,890 --> 00:17:06,725 to get the guy off and he talks him down 444 00:17:06,726 --> 00:17:08,560 in a rather unorthodox way. 445 00:17:08,660 --> 00:17:10,980 - HARRY: I'd just like your name and address, - that's all. 446 00:17:11,030 --> 00:17:12,598 - -Why? - -Well, like I said... 447 00:17:12,698 --> 00:17:14,767 it's such a mess down there afterwards. 448 00:17:14,768 --> 00:17:16,835 It makes identification impossible. 449 00:17:16,902 --> 00:17:18,637 Even if they find your driver's license, 450 00:17:18,638 --> 00:17:20,372 all that blood and everything. 451 00:17:20,939 --> 00:17:22,408 I think... 452 00:17:23,842 --> 00:17:26,512 I think I'm gonna puke. 453 00:17:26,578 --> 00:17:28,280 Oh, now, don't do that, son. 454 00:17:28,380 --> 00:17:30,082 All those people down there looking up. 455 00:17:30,083 --> 00:17:31,784 The fire chief looking up, his face: 456 00:17:31,884 --> 00:17:33,352 Heh, heh. 457 00:17:34,286 --> 00:17:37,923 You rotten bastard. 458 00:17:38,023 --> 00:17:39,992 HANCOCK: He's still the guy that when you're 459 00:17:39,993 --> 00:17:41,960 with him, having lunch or whatever... 460 00:17:42,061 --> 00:17:44,630 people will, in equal measure, say: 461 00:17:44,730 --> 00:17:46,215 "There's Clint Eastwood," 462 00:17:46,216 --> 00:17:47,699 as, "There's Dirty Harry." 463 00:17:47,766 --> 00:17:50,769 {\an8}Clint was so popular after that movie... 464 00:17:51,637 --> 00:17:53,939 - ...he probably could have been - Elected president. 465 00:17:54,406 --> 00:17:56,809 To break through the molds of Rowdy Yates 466 00:17:56,810 --> 00:17:59,211 from Rawhide and then... 467 00:17:59,278 --> 00:18:01,947 And all the Sergio Leone pictures... 468 00:18:02,047 --> 00:18:04,650 and then his own, you know, triumph 469 00:18:04,651 --> 00:18:07,252 as a Western actor and director... 470 00:18:07,319 --> 00:18:09,054 with Outlaw Josey Wales which... 471 00:18:09,121 --> 00:18:12,124 - One of the most brilliant Westerns made, - In my opinion. 472 00:18:13,158 --> 00:18:14,660 - HANCOCK: - With Josey Wales... 473 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:16,612 Clint had completely escaped 474 00:18:16,613 --> 00:18:18,464 the shadow of Leone, in some ways. 475 00:18:20,899 --> 00:18:23,135 - It's a story about a man - Who lost his family. 476 00:18:24,803 --> 00:18:26,805 {\an8}EASTWOOD: To me, it was a sort of ultimate 477 00:18:26,806 --> 00:18:28,807 {\an8}man wronged kind of thing. 478 00:18:28,907 --> 00:18:30,676 - JOSEY'S WIFE: - Josey! 479 00:18:31,343 --> 00:18:33,278 Josey! 480 00:18:34,179 --> 00:18:36,315 {\an8}The effects of war on this particular... 481 00:18:36,415 --> 00:18:38,284 {\an8}On everyone, but this particular individual 482 00:18:38,285 --> 00:18:40,152 {\an8}and betrayal... 483 00:18:40,252 --> 00:18:43,188 - ...to the point where he wants to become - A total recluse. 484 00:18:43,288 --> 00:18:45,874 In Josey Wales, he tends to attract 485 00:18:45,875 --> 00:18:48,460 a group of ne'er-do-wells and misfits. 486 00:18:49,027 --> 00:18:50,646 That's kind of a recurring theme 487 00:18:50,647 --> 00:18:52,264 in some of Clint's movies. 488 00:18:52,998 --> 00:18:54,032 I was just wondering. 489 00:18:54,133 --> 00:18:56,385 I suppose that mangy redbone hound's 490 00:18:56,386 --> 00:18:58,637 got no place else to go either. 491 00:19:03,008 --> 00:19:06,011 Well, he might as well ride along with us. 492 00:19:06,111 --> 00:19:08,780 Hell, everybody else is. 493 00:19:09,148 --> 00:19:12,184 - FREEMAN: - You listen to a lot of Clint's movies... 494 00:19:12,284 --> 00:19:15,304 there are things that he's saying in there 495 00:19:15,305 --> 00:19:18,323 that are very pithy, deep. 496 00:19:18,390 --> 00:19:20,292 It's quintessential Clint... 497 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:21,861 in terms of the character, 498 00:19:21,862 --> 00:19:23,362 in terms of the story. 499 00:19:25,697 --> 00:19:28,367 - Well, are you gonna pull those pistols - Or whistle Dixie? 500 00:19:34,706 --> 00:19:36,859 I liked the saga of it, 501 00:19:36,860 --> 00:19:39,011 the movement of it, the traveling of it. 502 00:19:40,412 --> 00:19:43,015 - It was one of my favorite films - That I've done. 503 00:19:43,081 --> 00:19:46,251 - It kind of breaks the trend of - "And he rode off into the sunset." 504 00:19:46,351 --> 00:19:48,086 And I'm not sure, you know, 505 00:19:48,087 --> 00:19:49,821 if there was some inherent message... 506 00:19:49,888 --> 00:19:51,740 that the loner ultimately has to join 507 00:19:51,741 --> 00:19:53,592 for the world to succeed. 508 00:19:54,193 --> 00:19:56,195 It's for other people to judge the work... 509 00:19:56,261 --> 00:19:59,064 - ...and it's other people to judge - Where I come from on it. 510 00:19:59,164 --> 00:20:01,066 It's more fun that way. 511 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,268 Come out, everyone, actually. 512 00:20:03,368 --> 00:20:05,737 - ROBBINS: Despite the things - Everybody knows about him... 513 00:20:05,837 --> 00:20:08,907 I think he's a pretty complicated guy. 514 00:20:09,007 --> 00:20:11,443 - I like the way he operates. - And I wanna be... 515 00:20:11,543 --> 00:20:13,912 That's... I wanna be like Clint. Heh. 516 00:20:14,012 --> 00:20:16,682 Imagine that dude at a poker table, and... 517 00:20:16,748 --> 00:20:18,433 You know, 518 00:20:18,434 --> 00:20:20,118 it's the guy you know is gonna... 519 00:20:20,219 --> 00:20:22,254 That guy's wanna wind up 520 00:20:22,255 --> 00:20:24,289 with all the money in my pocket, I know it. 521 00:20:24,389 --> 00:20:25,657 Somehow... 522 00:20:25,658 --> 00:20:26,925 He's not saying a word. 523 00:20:27,025 --> 00:20:30,963 I think Clint is incapable of boredom. 524 00:20:31,063 --> 00:20:33,098 I don't think he's bored about anything. 525 00:20:33,198 --> 00:20:36,068 - Look what he's got. - He's got Dina, he's got his kids... 526 00:20:36,134 --> 00:20:38,604 he's got his lifestyle, he's got his art... 527 00:20:39,104 --> 00:20:40,405 and he's got his music. 528 00:20:40,472 --> 00:20:44,109 {\an8}And he loves musicians. 529 00:20:44,209 --> 00:20:45,744 [PLAYS JAZZ RIFF] 530 00:20:45,811 --> 00:20:47,546 And he loves singers. And he and I, 531 00:20:47,547 --> 00:20:49,281 for years, we've always sat around... 532 00:20:49,381 --> 00:20:51,734 talked around Billie Holliday 533 00:20:51,735 --> 00:20:54,086 and Ella Fitzgerald and Sarah Vaughan. 534 00:20:54,152 --> 00:20:55,821 I mean, that's his thing. 535 00:20:55,822 --> 00:20:57,489 He was a piano player for singers. 536 00:20:57,589 --> 00:20:59,424 He loves that. 537 00:20:59,491 --> 00:21:01,226 His love for jazz 538 00:21:01,227 --> 00:21:02,961 and the way he expressed it in Bird... 539 00:21:03,061 --> 00:21:05,280 and the way jazz has become 540 00:21:05,281 --> 00:21:07,499 a kind of leitmotif of a lot of his work. 541 00:21:07,599 --> 00:21:10,669 That is the greatest relaxer I can imagine 542 00:21:10,670 --> 00:21:13,739 anybody having in their lives. 543 00:21:13,805 --> 00:21:16,141 And music is such a wonderful way 544 00:21:16,142 --> 00:21:18,477 of just, I guess, chilling. 545 00:21:22,681 --> 00:21:24,921 - He'll collaborate with an orchestrator, - A composer... 546 00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:27,452 - ...but the main themes - Clint Eastwood writes himself. 547 00:21:27,519 --> 00:21:30,188 - COX: - He wrote the theme for Unforgiven. 548 00:21:30,289 --> 00:21:31,690 You know, Mystic River, 549 00:21:31,691 --> 00:21:33,091 he wrote the whole score. 550 00:21:33,692 --> 00:21:35,194 He wrote the whole score 551 00:21:35,195 --> 00:21:36,695 for Million Dollar Baby... 552 00:21:36,795 --> 00:21:38,864 {\an8}...he wrote the whole score 553 00:21:38,865 --> 00:21:40,932 {\an8}for Flags of Our Fathers. 554 00:21:40,999 --> 00:21:42,768 Writing music for the movie 555 00:21:42,769 --> 00:21:44,536 is another way for him to say: 556 00:21:44,636 --> 00:21:47,506 - "Well, look, this is a personal movie. - Not only did I... 557 00:21:47,606 --> 00:21:49,575 I didn't write the story, 558 00:21:49,576 --> 00:21:51,543 but I interpreted the story as a director. 559 00:21:51,643 --> 00:21:53,945 - Now I'm going to interpret the story - Musically." 560 00:21:54,012 --> 00:21:56,248 As you read a script, see it realized, 561 00:21:56,249 --> 00:21:58,483 the better directors find the music in it. 562 00:21:58,550 --> 00:22:01,653 - They don't know the specific piece - That they're going to use... 563 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,174 but I think they get a pretty good idea 564 00:22:05,175 --> 00:22:08,627 of the mood or the tone. 565 00:22:09,161 --> 00:22:10,980 {\an8}BACON: 566 00:22:10,981 --> 00:22:12,798 {\an8}If you are a musician, certainly... 567 00:22:12,864 --> 00:22:15,217 {\an8}...and even if you have a great appreciation 568 00:22:15,218 --> 00:22:17,569 {\an8}for music, it's sort of there... 569 00:22:17,669 --> 00:22:19,505 {\an8}...as you walk, as you talk, as you think, 570 00:22:19,506 --> 00:22:21,340 {\an8}in your moments of silence. 571 00:22:21,406 --> 00:22:23,442 There's some kind of interlude 572 00:22:23,443 --> 00:22:25,477 or some kind of score for your life... 573 00:22:25,544 --> 00:22:28,113 that's kind of like, you know, 574 00:22:28,114 --> 00:22:30,682 floating there in your subconscious. 575 00:22:30,749 --> 00:22:33,552 - And I think that that is certainly the case - with him. 576 00:22:33,985 --> 00:22:36,855 - -It should go real fast: Boom, boom, boom. - -Okay. 577 00:22:37,589 --> 00:22:40,058 You read this all the time 578 00:22:40,059 --> 00:22:42,527 that he's gotten better as a director... 579 00:22:43,095 --> 00:22:44,663 as he's gotten older. 580 00:22:44,730 --> 00:22:47,332 - SPIELBERG: As his filmmaking - Has evolved and matured... 581 00:22:47,399 --> 00:22:49,034 his characters have matured 582 00:22:49,035 --> 00:22:50,669 and become more complicated. 583 00:22:50,736 --> 00:22:52,938 Mystic River comes to mind immediately. 584 00:22:53,505 --> 00:22:55,073 Unforgiven comes to mind... 585 00:22:55,173 --> 00:22:57,376 in the same sort of, you know, 586 00:22:57,377 --> 00:22:59,578 mental breadth as Mystic River. 587 00:22:59,678 --> 00:23:02,347 - {\an8}MAN: - A camera mark, 548, take one. Mark. 588 00:23:03,615 --> 00:23:05,384 - EASTWOOD: - It was an interesting project. 589 00:23:05,450 --> 00:23:06,868 I was looking for somebody 590 00:23:06,869 --> 00:23:08,286 to rewrite a script. 591 00:23:08,387 --> 00:23:10,472 A girl I knew on the lot here 592 00:23:10,473 --> 00:23:12,557 was a reader for Warner Bros. 593 00:23:12,624 --> 00:23:15,227 - She said, - "Well, if you want a really good writer... 594 00:23:15,293 --> 00:23:17,329 you ought to read this story 595 00:23:17,330 --> 00:23:19,364 by David Peoples." 596 00:23:19,431 --> 00:23:21,600 {\an8}Option was running out. 597 00:23:21,933 --> 00:23:24,136 - {\an8}It was the day it ran out - Or somewhere in there. 598 00:23:24,236 --> 00:23:26,138 We got this call from Clint Eastwood. 599 00:23:26,238 --> 00:23:28,774 I said, "Well, I'll take that." 600 00:23:29,408 --> 00:23:32,278 But this was 1985, 601 00:23:32,279 --> 00:23:35,147 and he bought the film outright. 602 00:23:35,247 --> 00:23:37,215 I didn't wanna do a Western at that time. 603 00:23:37,282 --> 00:23:39,968 I had done quite a few, and I felt 604 00:23:39,969 --> 00:23:42,654 I'd like to maybe sit on it for a while. 605 00:23:42,754 --> 00:23:44,706 Maybe it would be better to play 606 00:23:44,707 --> 00:23:46,658 this character when I was a little bit older. 607 00:23:46,758 --> 00:23:49,828 - All of a sudden I see - he's making this Western called Pale Rider. 608 00:23:49,928 --> 00:23:52,464 - I was disappointed - He was making something different. 609 00:23:52,564 --> 00:23:53,732 I put it in a drawer... 610 00:23:53,799 --> 00:23:55,801 and went through the whole '80s 611 00:23:55,802 --> 00:23:57,803 without even thinking about it. 612 00:23:57,903 --> 00:24:00,272 I think I talked to him once or something 613 00:24:00,273 --> 00:24:02,641 about a rewrite on the telephone... 614 00:24:02,741 --> 00:24:04,743 and he said he was gonna get to it. 615 00:24:04,810 --> 00:24:07,329 1991, I took it out of the drawer 616 00:24:07,330 --> 00:24:09,848 and said, "It's..." 617 00:24:09,948 --> 00:24:12,034 And I reread it and fell in love with it 618 00:24:12,035 --> 00:24:14,119 all over again, and I said: 619 00:24:14,186 --> 00:24:15,854 "Yeah, this is time to do this." 620 00:24:15,954 --> 00:24:18,523 - He did want a couple of scenes - Rewritten. 621 00:24:18,623 --> 00:24:21,760 And I wasn't crazy about the ideas... 622 00:24:21,827 --> 00:24:24,663 - ...but I was a little intimidated - About the idea of... 623 00:24:24,763 --> 00:24:26,515 I can get pretty feisty, but I wasn't 624 00:24:26,516 --> 00:24:28,266 gonna be feisty with Clint Eastwood. 625 00:24:28,333 --> 00:24:29,701 I started rewriting things. 626 00:24:29,801 --> 00:24:31,887 And I found out the more I screwed with it, 627 00:24:31,888 --> 00:24:33,972 the worse it was getting. 628 00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:36,158 I said I'm doing what Siegel used to call 629 00:24:36,159 --> 00:24:38,276 "killing it with improvements." 630 00:24:38,343 --> 00:24:41,179 And this is just really good. 631 00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:44,115 - I don't know why - I'm fiddling around with this. 632 00:24:44,182 --> 00:24:46,585 When he showed me this cut of the movie, 633 00:24:46,586 --> 00:24:48,987 I said, "Rewrites aren't there." 634 00:24:49,054 --> 00:24:51,156 - He said, - "No, it was better the first time." 635 00:24:51,223 --> 00:24:54,459 And that I tremendously appreciated... 636 00:24:54,526 --> 00:24:57,029 because one of the things in this business 637 00:24:57,030 --> 00:24:59,531 is things just get worse and worse... 638 00:24:59,631 --> 00:25:01,266 as you keep rewriting them, 639 00:25:01,267 --> 00:25:02,901 and nobody can ever stop, right? 640 00:25:03,001 --> 00:25:05,403 And he has that wonderful restraint. 641 00:25:10,909 --> 00:25:13,211 I think Unforgiven is one of my favorites. 642 00:25:13,311 --> 00:25:15,614 Unforgiven, that's the first 643 00:25:15,615 --> 00:25:17,916 Clint Eastwood movie I had ever seen. 644 00:25:18,016 --> 00:25:21,086 Unforgiven is a really classic movie. 645 00:25:21,186 --> 00:25:22,921 And I think that... 646 00:25:23,021 --> 00:25:24,790 It's interesting, but I think great Westerns 647 00:25:24,791 --> 00:25:26,558 depend on their literacy... 648 00:25:26,658 --> 00:25:28,093 not on their gunfight. 649 00:25:28,193 --> 00:25:29,561 A compassionate heart... 650 00:25:29,661 --> 00:25:31,730 and a sensibility... 651 00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:34,383 {\an8}...that was not what you would imagine 652 00:25:34,384 --> 00:25:36,935 {\an8}as knee-jerk masculinity. 653 00:25:37,035 --> 00:25:38,670 An eye for an eye: 654 00:25:38,737 --> 00:25:40,038 [GROWLS] 655 00:25:40,105 --> 00:25:41,172 "Make my day." 656 00:25:42,541 --> 00:25:44,793 COX: He saw a different way of doing 657 00:25:44,794 --> 00:25:47,045 films and wanted do more serious films. 658 00:25:47,112 --> 00:25:48,747 He had done all the other films. 659 00:25:49,247 --> 00:25:50,549 As you get older, he says: 660 00:25:50,615 --> 00:25:52,451 "There comes a time in a man's life 661 00:25:52,452 --> 00:25:54,286 when he can't just beat up every person." 662 00:25:54,386 --> 00:25:56,305 You know, age-wise, where it's 663 00:25:56,306 --> 00:25:58,223 believable to the public. 664 00:25:58,290 --> 00:26:00,358 Yes, let's see what you do there, Richard. 665 00:26:00,425 --> 00:26:03,628 - EASTWOOD: As you mature in life - In other areas, you mature in your work. 666 00:26:03,728 --> 00:26:05,730 - You should be learning - And getting better. 667 00:26:05,797 --> 00:26:08,617 If you start getting worse, 668 00:26:08,618 --> 00:26:11,436 then you should maybe join AARP. 669 00:26:11,536 --> 00:26:12,537 [CHUCKLES] 670 00:26:13,371 --> 00:26:15,590 COX: Unforgiven was 671 00:26:15,591 --> 00:26:17,809 a changing film for Clint's career... 672 00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:19,478 for a lot of our careers 673 00:26:19,479 --> 00:26:21,046 that worked for him. 674 00:26:21,112 --> 00:26:23,632 Because the film got seven nominations, 675 00:26:23,633 --> 00:26:26,151 got four Academy Awards... 676 00:26:26,251 --> 00:26:28,620 and really the critics and the world 677 00:26:28,621 --> 00:26:30,989 looked at him doing films differently. 678 00:26:31,089 --> 00:26:32,791 That's not Dirty Harry...Wait, all right. 679 00:26:32,792 --> 00:26:34,492 It's okay, it's all right. Good. 680 00:26:34,593 --> 00:26:36,628 People grow. Ha, ha, ha. 681 00:26:36,728 --> 00:26:38,129 They continue to evolve. 682 00:26:38,229 --> 00:26:40,309 - COX: But the other films - Were more genre films... 683 00:26:40,398 --> 00:26:43,401 - ...and we just went out in the days, - 42 days, and shot them. 684 00:26:43,468 --> 00:26:45,337 And he did take more time with this... 685 00:26:45,437 --> 00:26:47,589 because I think he felt 686 00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:49,741 this might be the Western... 687 00:26:49,808 --> 00:26:51,309 that might be his career. 688 00:26:52,010 --> 00:26:54,212 FREEMAN: I got the job 689 00:26:54,213 --> 00:26:56,414 because he asked me to do it. 690 00:26:56,481 --> 00:26:59,084 He owns me from that moment on. Ha, ha. 691 00:26:59,517 --> 00:27:01,269 I got to Alberta and we met, 692 00:27:01,270 --> 00:27:03,021 we shook hands. 693 00:27:03,121 --> 00:27:04,689 It was like meeting an old friend. 694 00:27:05,156 --> 00:27:07,926 - And when we started working together, - There was this... 695 00:27:07,993 --> 00:27:09,228 It was like putting on 696 00:27:09,229 --> 00:27:10,462 an old pair of shoes. 697 00:27:10,528 --> 00:27:12,914 I didn't like the idea of having to play 698 00:27:12,915 --> 00:27:15,300 a tough cop again, you know... 699 00:27:15,367 --> 00:27:19,471 and kind of a badass kind of a guy. 700 00:27:20,205 --> 00:27:22,774 - {\an8}You been talking about the queen - Again? 701 00:27:23,708 --> 00:27:25,176 On Independence Day. 702 00:27:25,276 --> 00:27:26,544 [GRUNTS] 703 00:27:27,812 --> 00:27:29,214 Clint talked to him about it 704 00:27:29,215 --> 00:27:30,615 and said his idea was... 705 00:27:30,682 --> 00:27:33,518 - What he was gonna do with that - Is be more character-driven. 706 00:27:33,618 --> 00:27:37,022 And Gene Hackman agreed to do it. 707 00:27:37,122 --> 00:27:39,224 - HACKMAN: - I believed in him enough, finally... 708 00:27:39,324 --> 00:27:42,244 that I felt maybe he would find, 709 00:27:42,245 --> 00:27:45,163 and help me find, something to make it... 710 00:27:45,230 --> 00:27:46,631 Make the role interesting. 711 00:27:46,698 --> 00:27:48,300 And for Gene Hackman, 712 00:27:48,301 --> 00:27:49,901 it was a great move... 713 00:27:50,001 --> 00:27:52,504 - ...because he ended up - Getting an Academy Award for it. 714 00:27:54,706 --> 00:27:57,676 You'd be William Munny out of Missouri. 715 00:27:57,742 --> 00:27:59,644 Killer of women and children. 716 00:28:00,245 --> 00:28:01,880 That's right. 717 00:28:03,682 --> 00:28:05,383 I've killed women and children. 718 00:28:07,185 --> 00:28:08,970 Killed just about everything that walks 719 00:28:08,971 --> 00:28:10,755 or crawled at one time or another. 720 00:28:10,855 --> 00:28:12,157 [THUNDER ROLLS] 721 00:28:12,223 --> 00:28:14,926 And I'm here to kill you, Little Bill... 722 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,395 for what you did to Ned. 723 00:28:17,495 --> 00:28:19,864 SCORSESE: He's not afraid to have to 724 00:28:19,865 --> 00:28:22,233 take on a really horrible character... 725 00:28:23,001 --> 00:28:25,704 - ...and say, - "Yes, that's me. That's who I am." 726 00:28:25,770 --> 00:28:28,740 - "You killed those women and children?" - "That's right." 727 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,041 [LAUGHING] 728 00:28:30,108 --> 00:28:31,543 "I'm gonna take you down." 729 00:28:31,609 --> 00:28:33,395 To take a, you know, Western 730 00:28:33,396 --> 00:28:35,180 in a different direction... 731 00:28:35,246 --> 00:28:37,549 making the hero a bad person. 732 00:28:37,615 --> 00:28:39,384 He knows... He doesn't wanna do it... 733 00:28:39,451 --> 00:28:41,486 because his wife used to 734 00:28:41,487 --> 00:28:43,521 really get upset about that. 735 00:28:43,588 --> 00:28:46,558 - And he really feels bad about it, - But he's gotta do it. 736 00:28:48,893 --> 00:28:50,061 [GUN CLICKS] 737 00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:55,066 Misfire. Kill the son of a bitch. 738 00:29:03,475 --> 00:29:06,120 - SCORSESE: Coming out of - The tradition of the American Western... 739 00:29:06,144 --> 00:29:08,747 - ...which reflected America - In the first half of the century... 740 00:29:08,813 --> 00:29:12,050 he seems to be tackling what is ultimately 741 00:29:12,051 --> 00:29:15,286 the truth about it in Unforgiven. 742 00:29:15,386 --> 00:29:18,957 There's a ruthlessness, you know. 743 00:29:19,057 --> 00:29:21,392 There's a ruthlessness involved. 744 00:29:21,459 --> 00:29:25,563 The individuality in order to survive. 745 00:29:26,831 --> 00:29:30,001 - HACKMAN: I came on the set one day - And he said, "I got a problem." 746 00:29:30,101 --> 00:29:32,904 Yeah, if you hit this thing... 747 00:29:32,971 --> 00:29:34,639 For whatever reason, 748 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,307 the scene that was scheduled... 749 00:29:36,407 --> 00:29:37,509 we couldn't do it. 750 00:29:37,609 --> 00:29:39,611 The actor didn't show up or something. 751 00:29:39,612 --> 00:29:41,613 I can't remember quite what it was. 752 00:29:41,679 --> 00:29:44,949 - So he says, "Can you go to scene 35?" - You know, blah, blah, blah. 753 00:29:45,016 --> 00:29:47,452 And I said, "I haven't looked at it." 754 00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:49,954 So it was a couple of pages of dialogue. 755 00:29:50,021 --> 00:29:52,657 And I said, "Well, I'll try," you know. 756 00:29:52,757 --> 00:29:55,443 And he was so good about that 757 00:29:55,444 --> 00:29:58,129 because he had to do that scene that day... 758 00:29:58,196 --> 00:30:00,182 and he was so thoughtful 759 00:30:00,183 --> 00:30:02,167 and so understanding... 760 00:30:02,267 --> 00:30:04,352 of what an actor goes through 761 00:30:04,353 --> 00:30:06,437 when you're searching for lines... 762 00:30:06,504 --> 00:30:09,340 - ...and you do something unexpected - Like that. 763 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,876 I really, um... I really loved him for that. 764 00:30:13,278 --> 00:30:15,513 - COX: I know - That when we finished Unforgiven... 765 00:30:15,613 --> 00:30:18,950 - ...we walked back to our office, - He sat down on that couch across me... 766 00:30:19,017 --> 00:30:22,020 - ...and he says, - "I hope we have an audience for this film." 767 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,072 Because I was so emotionally involved 768 00:30:24,073 --> 00:30:26,024 in it, I thought it was fantastic. 769 00:30:26,124 --> 00:30:28,793 - But somehow I didn't think - Anybody else was gonna get it. 770 00:30:29,394 --> 00:30:31,296 And I was stunned at what he had done. 771 00:30:31,362 --> 00:30:32,964 {\an8}Exactly what I had written. 772 00:30:32,965 --> 00:30:34,566 {\an8}I was overwhelmed. 773 00:30:34,899 --> 00:30:37,235 But again I thought, 774 00:30:37,236 --> 00:30:39,571 "Poor Clint Eastwood, he made this movie. 775 00:30:39,671 --> 00:30:42,040 - Only the writer is gonna be the one - Who likes it." 776 00:30:42,140 --> 00:30:44,493 I think Unforgiven will stand 777 00:30:44,494 --> 00:30:46,845 for a long time... 778 00:30:47,378 --> 00:30:50,548 as the last great Western. 779 00:30:51,082 --> 00:30:52,584 It was a long time 780 00:30:52,585 --> 00:30:54,085 before he made the movie. 781 00:30:54,185 --> 00:30:56,221 Ah, but it was worth the wait. 782 00:30:56,321 --> 00:30:59,524 It was just kind of one of those things 783 00:30:59,525 --> 00:31:02,727 where its destiny was to be in the '90s. 784 00:31:02,827 --> 00:31:05,030 As a filmmaker, 785 00:31:05,031 --> 00:31:07,232 he's like a High Plains Drifter. 786 00:31:07,866 --> 00:31:09,334 He's just drifting. 787 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,103 - He just goes - From experience to experience. 788 00:31:13,104 --> 00:31:15,206 He's not intellectual about: 789 00:31:15,273 --> 00:31:17,225 "I've gotta make a story in this genre, 790 00:31:17,226 --> 00:31:19,177 in this style." 791 00:31:19,244 --> 00:31:21,146 He waits for something to wash over him. 792 00:31:21,147 --> 00:31:23,047 He waits for a book, a script, an idea. 793 00:31:23,748 --> 00:31:26,228 - ROBBINS: That's the special thing, - That's the good thing... 794 00:31:26,517 --> 00:31:28,186 the thing that should be lauded. 795 00:31:28,253 --> 00:31:30,138 You know, 796 00:31:30,139 --> 00:31:32,023 in a town that wants conformity... 797 00:31:32,090 --> 00:31:33,992 you know, a town that wants 798 00:31:33,993 --> 00:31:35,894 the same product repackaged... 799 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,863 - ...that Clint has chosen the path - He's chosen. 800 00:31:38,930 --> 00:31:41,065 - MAN: That's good. - -We haven't seen that close-up. 801 00:31:41,132 --> 00:31:44,202 - BACON: - I think that his films, to me... 802 00:31:44,269 --> 00:31:47,472 - ...purely as a viewer, not as an actor - That's having worked with him... 803 00:31:47,572 --> 00:31:49,707 {\an8}...but just as a movie consumer... 804 00:31:49,774 --> 00:31:53,645 {\an8}...have a unexpected level... 805 00:31:53,745 --> 00:31:57,248 of depth and complexity... 806 00:31:57,315 --> 00:32:00,018 that somehow he is able to tap into 807 00:32:00,019 --> 00:32:02,720 again and again and again. 808 00:32:02,787 --> 00:32:04,589 Basically, 809 00:32:04,590 --> 00:32:06,391 you have trust your own feelings... 810 00:32:06,457 --> 00:32:08,443 your own instincts and your own taste 811 00:32:08,444 --> 00:32:10,428 in judging material... 812 00:32:10,495 --> 00:32:13,798 because that's all you have to go by. 813 00:32:13,898 --> 00:32:16,651 If you try to start pre-thinking 814 00:32:16,652 --> 00:32:19,404 what other people are thinking, you're not... 815 00:32:19,470 --> 00:32:20,705 You're gonna get yourself 816 00:32:20,706 --> 00:32:21,940 in a real confused state. 817 00:32:22,273 --> 00:32:25,343 - You know, he's been a mayor, - For Pete's sakes. He was an actor. 818 00:32:25,443 --> 00:32:27,145 He did spaghetti Westerns, Rawhide. 819 00:32:27,245 --> 00:32:29,948 - He does TV. - His family just did a reality show. 820 00:32:30,014 --> 00:32:32,250 He directs all kinds of different films. 821 00:32:32,317 --> 00:32:35,353 He doesn't seem to say no. 822 00:32:35,453 --> 00:32:36,955 He seems to say, "Why not?" 823 00:32:37,522 --> 00:32:38,823 {\an8}Mark. 824 00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:41,192 - SPIELBERG: - I bought the book... 825 00:32:41,292 --> 00:32:43,027 a popular book, 826 00:32:43,028 --> 00:32:44,762 on the bestseller list for years. 827 00:32:44,829 --> 00:32:47,966 - And we were looking for a director - To tell the story... 828 00:32:48,032 --> 00:32:49,801 and my first choice was Clint. 829 00:32:51,502 --> 00:32:53,805 So, yeah, just go ahead. 830 00:32:53,871 --> 00:32:55,907 There was no real precedent to make it 831 00:32:55,908 --> 00:32:57,942 an easy choice for me to just basically say: 832 00:32:58,009 --> 00:32:59,728 "Clint made a movie like this, 833 00:32:59,729 --> 00:33:01,446 so perhaps he'd like to make this one. 834 00:33:01,512 --> 00:33:03,881 - Since there are many connections, - Similarities." 835 00:33:03,982 --> 00:33:07,218 - I don't think this was similar - To anything he'd ever done before. 836 00:33:07,318 --> 00:33:08,853 For that reason, I went to him. 837 00:33:08,953 --> 00:33:11,156 And I was also hoping he'd agree 838 00:33:11,157 --> 00:33:13,358 to play Kincaid, the main character. 839 00:33:13,458 --> 00:33:15,393 Well, it was Clint's idea to cast Meryl. 840 00:33:15,493 --> 00:33:17,996 - When we sat around - In our first couple of meetings... 841 00:33:18,062 --> 00:33:21,165 to decide who we were gonna get. 842 00:33:21,232 --> 00:33:23,351 Clint only had one choice. He said, "I think 843 00:33:23,352 --> 00:33:25,470 I'd like to see what Meryl thinks of this." 844 00:33:25,536 --> 00:33:27,288 STREEP: I didn't know anything 845 00:33:27,289 --> 00:33:29,040 about it, except the books. 846 00:33:29,140 --> 00:33:30,809 You know, Romeo and Juliet 847 00:33:30,810 --> 00:33:32,477 was taken from an earlier source. 848 00:33:32,543 --> 00:33:34,679 - -That play, nobody remembers. - MAN: Yeah. 849 00:33:34,746 --> 00:33:36,381 But it's what Shakespeare did 850 00:33:36,382 --> 00:33:38,016 with the same plot, same story. 851 00:33:38,383 --> 00:33:40,218 But it's just how you tell the story. 852 00:33:41,853 --> 00:33:44,522 {\an8}I was just picking you some flowers. 853 00:33:45,423 --> 00:33:46,657 Oh? 854 00:33:48,726 --> 00:33:50,428 Men still do that, don't they? 855 00:33:50,928 --> 00:33:52,663 I'm not out of date, am I? 856 00:33:52,730 --> 00:33:54,032 Picking flowers for a woman 857 00:33:54,033 --> 00:33:55,333 as a sign of appreciation? 858 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,602 - No, not at all. - Except those are poisonous. 859 00:33:58,603 --> 00:34:00,438 [LAUGHING] 860 00:34:01,172 --> 00:34:03,558 I think he saw an opportunity for himself 861 00:34:03,559 --> 00:34:05,943 to reveal something... 862 00:34:06,444 --> 00:34:08,012 that was another dimension 863 00:34:08,013 --> 00:34:09,580 to his fans... 864 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,399 that already bought 865 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,117 a certain character from him. 866 00:34:13,217 --> 00:34:15,303 I think he has very highly evolved 867 00:34:15,304 --> 00:34:17,388 both sides of his character. 868 00:34:17,455 --> 00:34:18,723 He has... 869 00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:20,792 I don't know 870 00:34:20,793 --> 00:34:22,794 if anybody else would agree with me... 871 00:34:23,761 --> 00:34:26,748 but he has a female sensibility 872 00:34:26,749 --> 00:34:29,734 in many ways. 873 00:34:30,935 --> 00:34:33,104 I don't wanna need you. 874 00:34:33,738 --> 00:34:34,939 What? 875 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,042 Because I can't have you. 876 00:34:38,109 --> 00:34:40,745 I really didn't realize... 877 00:34:41,979 --> 00:34:43,765 how vulnerable he let himself be 878 00:34:43,766 --> 00:34:45,550 in that role. 879 00:34:45,616 --> 00:34:47,418 And that's not something you just unpack 880 00:34:47,419 --> 00:34:49,220 from your kit bag. 881 00:34:49,287 --> 00:34:51,489 That has to reside somewhere in you. 882 00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:54,008 And yet he has this image 883 00:34:54,009 --> 00:34:56,427 of the sort of über-man. 884 00:34:57,161 --> 00:34:58,763 - -Got you. - -Oh! 885 00:34:59,130 --> 00:35:01,399 - STREEP: - I think he's a harsh judge of himself. 886 00:35:01,466 --> 00:35:03,234 He sure was. 887 00:35:03,301 --> 00:35:05,787 And a little bit of it was, um, bullshit, 888 00:35:05,788 --> 00:35:08,272 you know. 889 00:35:08,339 --> 00:35:10,475 A little bit of it was just trying 890 00:35:10,476 --> 00:35:12,610 to make everybody feel at ease... 891 00:35:12,677 --> 00:35:15,413 after each take of his own. 892 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,215 He'd say, "Well, that was adequate." 893 00:35:17,216 --> 00:35:18,950 You know, you... Ha, ha, ha. 894 00:35:20,017 --> 00:35:23,087 - There was a scene in the kitchen where... - A big fight scene. 895 00:35:23,154 --> 00:35:24,556 He was at the counter 896 00:35:24,557 --> 00:35:25,957 and he turned away from me. 897 00:35:26,023 --> 00:35:29,193 And I could see he was really upset. 898 00:35:29,293 --> 00:35:31,696 The scene never made it into the film. 899 00:35:31,796 --> 00:35:33,464 And I said: 900 00:35:33,531 --> 00:35:36,000 "Why would you turn away 901 00:35:36,001 --> 00:35:38,469 the envelope... 902 00:35:38,536 --> 00:35:40,738 you know, that would come your way 903 00:35:40,739 --> 00:35:42,940 if you put this out?" 904 00:35:43,007 --> 00:35:45,143 I mean, it was a beautifully played scene. 905 00:35:45,710 --> 00:35:50,815 And he assessed it as not right. 906 00:35:51,883 --> 00:35:54,135 The director assessed it 907 00:35:54,136 --> 00:35:56,387 as not right for the film. 908 00:35:56,487 --> 00:35:59,273 Where the actor might have wanted 909 00:35:59,274 --> 00:36:02,059 all the accolades. 910 00:36:02,894 --> 00:36:04,695 And roll it. 911 00:36:04,795 --> 00:36:06,297 - MAN: - Rolling. B. 912 00:36:06,364 --> 00:36:08,383 STREEP: For a man, especially 913 00:36:08,384 --> 00:36:10,401 a man who walks in our business... 914 00:36:10,501 --> 00:36:12,670 with the persona that he owns... 915 00:36:12,737 --> 00:36:15,339 to rip open his chest that way. 916 00:36:15,406 --> 00:36:17,725 But he felt, for the film, 917 00:36:17,726 --> 00:36:20,044 it was best that it not be there. 918 00:36:20,144 --> 00:36:24,815 That's a really seer kind of intelligence... 919 00:36:24,882 --> 00:36:27,685 and willingness to be cold 920 00:36:27,686 --> 00:36:30,488 about your own work. 921 00:36:30,555 --> 00:36:32,056 Well, ego... 922 00:36:32,156 --> 00:36:34,525 Well, it kills all of us, 923 00:36:34,526 --> 00:36:36,894 certainly in terms of creativity. 924 00:36:36,994 --> 00:36:39,163 Because you have to let things go. 925 00:36:39,230 --> 00:36:41,365 Sometimes in letting something go... 926 00:36:41,432 --> 00:36:43,801 you find something really lovely 927 00:36:43,802 --> 00:36:46,170 and brilliant and creative. 928 00:36:46,237 --> 00:36:50,608 And it may not be something really big... 929 00:36:52,410 --> 00:36:54,011 but something will replace it. 930 00:36:54,078 --> 00:36:55,930 And he doesn't wanna miss 931 00:36:55,931 --> 00:36:57,782 that fresh moment... 932 00:36:57,882 --> 00:37:00,702 of anguish, humor, mistake 933 00:37:00,703 --> 00:37:03,521 that turns out to be fantastic. 934 00:37:03,588 --> 00:37:05,323 The stumble that you might do 935 00:37:05,324 --> 00:37:07,058 that says everything about your character. 936 00:37:07,124 --> 00:37:08,626 He loves that stuff. 937 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,795 Once in a while you get a surge... 938 00:37:10,895 --> 00:37:12,630 you get a little surge 939 00:37:12,631 --> 00:37:14,365 of two or three scripts that... 940 00:37:14,432 --> 00:37:16,801 - And you think you would like to do - All of them. 941 00:37:16,901 --> 00:37:18,970 In the early 2000s, 942 00:37:18,971 --> 00:37:21,038 as fast as I would finish one picture, I'd... 943 00:37:21,105 --> 00:37:23,474 - Somebody would give me another script - That I like. 944 00:37:23,574 --> 00:37:26,210 - So sometimes I'd be preparing one I like - That I was do... 945 00:37:26,277 --> 00:37:29,080 - Editing one I also liked, - And I kind of went through that. 946 00:37:29,146 --> 00:37:32,450 - When I was doing Mystic River, - We were working in the editorial room. 947 00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:35,620 - At the same token, I'm reading - Million Dollar Baby, I liked that. 948 00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:38,256 - I'm thinking, - "Yeah, I'll do that. I'll do that next." 949 00:37:38,322 --> 00:37:39,640 So I'm preparing one 950 00:37:39,641 --> 00:37:40,958 as I'm starting another. 951 00:37:41,058 --> 00:37:43,561 - And I went through a little period - Like that. 952 00:37:44,495 --> 00:37:46,631 The first reason to want to do Mystic River 953 00:37:46,632 --> 00:37:48,766 for me was Clint. 954 00:37:48,833 --> 00:37:50,635 I love the idea of directors who have 955 00:37:50,636 --> 00:37:52,436 a kind of continuity with their actors. 956 00:37:52,803 --> 00:37:54,739 - BACON: - One thing that was really different... 957 00:37:54,805 --> 00:37:56,240 was that he expected 958 00:37:56,241 --> 00:37:57,675 all of the performers... 959 00:37:57,775 --> 00:38:00,778 to have done our homework... 960 00:38:00,845 --> 00:38:04,148 and to come to work ready to go. 961 00:38:04,248 --> 00:38:06,250 You're not gonna have rehearsal... 962 00:38:06,317 --> 00:38:08,136 and you're gonna maybe go through 963 00:38:08,137 --> 00:38:09,954 the same sort of process... 964 00:38:10,021 --> 00:38:12,523 that you've now come to expect. 965 00:38:13,157 --> 00:38:15,826 - You know, - I'm gonna have endless conversations... 966 00:38:15,926 --> 00:38:18,929 - ...with the director or the writer - About my character. 967 00:38:18,996 --> 00:38:21,465 And, you know, with Clint, 968 00:38:21,466 --> 00:38:23,934 you know, I had one conversation. 969 00:38:24,001 --> 00:38:25,887 He once came up to me and Laurence 970 00:38:25,888 --> 00:38:27,772 and said: 971 00:38:27,838 --> 00:38:30,341 "That's good, you guys. A little faster." 972 00:38:31,309 --> 00:38:33,845 And I was like, "Wow, I think 973 00:38:33,846 --> 00:38:36,380 that's the first piece of direction I got." 974 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,650 - And that could have been the last. - "A little faster." 975 00:38:39,717 --> 00:38:41,886 - Mystic River, - It's even more impressive... 976 00:38:41,986 --> 00:38:43,738 because most everything you see in that 977 00:38:43,739 --> 00:38:45,489 is first take. 978 00:38:45,556 --> 00:38:47,692 Well, let's call it creativity because that's... 979 00:38:47,693 --> 00:38:49,827 I think that's what it is. 980 00:38:49,894 --> 00:38:52,330 That's his form of creativity... 981 00:38:52,396 --> 00:38:55,666 - ...that he understands that many times - On a first take... 982 00:38:55,733 --> 00:38:57,234 you'll get something fresh... 983 00:38:57,335 --> 00:39:00,304 - ...that you wouldn't get on take eight - Or nine or whatever. 984 00:39:00,805 --> 00:39:02,974 There's real respect for imagination 985 00:39:02,975 --> 00:39:05,142 and the hard work. 986 00:39:05,743 --> 00:39:07,044 But there's no: 987 00:39:07,144 --> 00:39:09,580 "Let's just go again 12 more times 988 00:39:09,581 --> 00:39:12,016 just to see what happens." 989 00:39:12,083 --> 00:39:14,903 For certain kinds of actors, 990 00:39:14,904 --> 00:39:17,722 that's the best kind of vote of confidence. 991 00:39:17,822 --> 00:39:19,741 And so all of us, 992 00:39:19,742 --> 00:39:21,659 me and Sean and Kevin... 993 00:39:21,726 --> 00:39:24,395 and Laurence and Marcia Gay and Laura, 994 00:39:24,396 --> 00:39:27,064 we were scared. 995 00:39:27,164 --> 00:39:29,517 We didn't wanna be out there 996 00:39:29,518 --> 00:39:31,869 with that one take that sucked, you know. 997 00:39:32,370 --> 00:39:35,272 So we all practiced. 998 00:39:35,373 --> 00:39:36,841 When he wants one more take... 999 00:39:36,907 --> 00:39:39,910 - ...it's gonna cause tremendous panic - In the room. 1000 00:39:40,010 --> 00:39:41,896 Five actors, but he wants one more take. 1001 00:39:41,897 --> 00:39:43,781 All probably looking at each other: 1002 00:39:43,881 --> 00:39:45,583 "What did I do? Was it me? Was it you? 1003 00:39:45,584 --> 00:39:47,284 Why does he want one more take? 1004 00:39:47,385 --> 00:39:49,086 He always walks away after two." 1005 00:39:49,186 --> 00:39:51,188 If Clint wants one more take... 1006 00:39:51,255 --> 00:39:53,758 - ...that third take, - Everybody's gonna be the best... 1007 00:39:53,858 --> 00:39:56,694 - ...they've ever been in their careers - To please him. 1008 00:39:56,761 --> 00:39:58,629 - POLICEMAN: Hey. - -Is my daughter in there? 1009 00:39:58,729 --> 00:40:01,632 {\an8}Is that my daughter in there? 1010 00:40:01,732 --> 00:40:03,532 - SCORSESE: - Mystic River is a very sad film. 1011 00:40:03,567 --> 00:40:06,804 - A dark world - In which vengeance has to be taken. 1012 00:40:06,904 --> 00:40:09,373 It's like the tragedy of the every day. 1013 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,542 - People's lives, - The ones on the periphery... 1014 00:40:11,609 --> 00:40:13,377 the ones we don't hear about. 1015 00:40:14,812 --> 00:40:15,812 Get in. 1016 00:40:19,550 --> 00:40:21,051 Get inside. 1017 00:40:21,986 --> 00:40:24,755 - ROBBINS: I grew up in a tough neighborhood - in New York City... 1018 00:40:24,822 --> 00:40:26,524 and that kind of situation 1019 00:40:26,525 --> 00:40:28,225 that Dave Boyle went through... 1020 00:40:28,292 --> 00:40:30,494 was omnipresent pretty much. 1021 00:40:31,896 --> 00:40:33,648 I had friends that had been molested 1022 00:40:33,649 --> 00:40:35,399 as kids. 1023 00:40:35,466 --> 00:40:38,569 - And you see the decay that happens - From the start. 1024 00:40:38,636 --> 00:40:40,738 And ultimately a most terrific crime... 1025 00:40:40,805 --> 00:40:42,607 because it's a crime that visits itself 1026 00:40:42,608 --> 00:40:44,408 upon the victim... 1027 00:40:44,475 --> 00:40:46,977 over a course of his entire life. 1028 00:40:47,077 --> 00:40:49,313 In the case of Mystic River... 1029 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,716 that's a transgression 1030 00:40:51,717 --> 00:40:53,751 that's incomprehensible. 1031 00:40:54,985 --> 00:40:57,555 HARDEN: 1032 00:40:57,556 --> 00:41:00,124 He lets you find what you wanna do. 1033 00:41:00,191 --> 00:41:02,426 You think you're doing it on your own... 1034 00:41:02,493 --> 00:41:04,378 but it's within in a very clear structure 1035 00:41:04,379 --> 00:41:06,263 that he already has. 1036 00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:09,133 - BACON: One of the basic things - That's great about him... 1037 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,019 is that there's a lot of stuff 1038 00:41:11,020 --> 00:41:12,837 that we've gotten used to kind of doing... 1039 00:41:12,937 --> 00:41:15,273 over the years that are the ways 1040 00:41:15,274 --> 00:41:17,608 that we think movies have to be made. 1041 00:41:17,675 --> 00:41:19,410 And he has sort of cut away 1042 00:41:19,411 --> 00:41:21,145 a bunch of the crap. 1043 00:41:21,712 --> 00:41:23,831 STREEP: One of the secrets 1044 00:41:23,832 --> 00:41:25,950 of his being a really good director... 1045 00:41:26,016 --> 00:41:29,320 is married 1046 00:41:29,321 --> 00:41:32,623 to this, uh, seeming no pressure... 1047 00:41:32,690 --> 00:41:36,961 casual, easy-going is a deep prep. 1048 00:41:37,528 --> 00:41:39,463 He has imagined the scene. 1049 00:41:39,530 --> 00:41:41,565 He has scored it. 1050 00:41:41,665 --> 00:41:45,903 He has lit it in his mind. 1051 00:41:46,303 --> 00:41:49,073 - And all he doesn't know - Is what's gonna happen in it. 1052 00:41:49,473 --> 00:41:51,258 ROBBINS: Efficiency is really something 1053 00:41:51,259 --> 00:41:53,043 we should all aim for. 1054 00:41:53,143 --> 00:41:55,145 - Unfortunately - We all have in our minds... 1055 00:41:55,212 --> 00:41:58,099 that unless you suffer some kind 1056 00:41:58,100 --> 00:42:00,985 of consequence, it's not art, you know. 1057 00:42:02,219 --> 00:42:04,855 And I think Clint has proven that wrong. 1058 00:42:04,922 --> 00:42:06,741 One thing I'll never forget 1059 00:42:06,742 --> 00:42:08,559 is we were shooting a scene... 1060 00:42:08,659 --> 00:42:10,795 and Tom Stern is just a great cameraman. 1061 00:42:10,796 --> 00:42:12,930 He's worked with Clint for a long time. 1062 00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:16,166 - And there was very little lighting - In the scene. 1063 00:42:16,233 --> 00:42:17,668 There was a practical lamp 1064 00:42:17,669 --> 00:42:19,103 sitting on a table. 1065 00:42:19,203 --> 00:42:21,238 I think there was maybe one other light. 1066 00:42:21,338 --> 00:42:23,607 And we walked in... 1067 00:42:23,707 --> 00:42:25,326 Clint take a look at the scene 1068 00:42:25,327 --> 00:42:26,944 we were about to play... 1069 00:42:27,945 --> 00:42:30,915 and he just went over and said... 1070 00:42:31,382 --> 00:42:34,685 And just turned off one of Tom's lamps. 1071 00:42:35,452 --> 00:42:37,404 Just one of those... Not practical lamp, 1072 00:42:37,405 --> 00:42:39,356 like the big lamps. He said, "Okay, roll." 1073 00:42:39,423 --> 00:42:42,293 And I saw Tom just like... you know. 1074 00:42:42,393 --> 00:42:44,695 And it just... It killed me... 1075 00:42:44,762 --> 00:42:46,164 because I thought, 1076 00:42:46,165 --> 00:42:47,565 you know, for his eye... 1077 00:42:48,032 --> 00:42:50,751 he knows what he needs 1078 00:42:50,752 --> 00:42:53,470 in terms of light in this scene. 1079 00:42:53,571 --> 00:42:55,690 I mostly thought to myself 1080 00:42:55,691 --> 00:42:57,808 to be a cameraman and work with him... 1081 00:42:57,908 --> 00:42:59,610 you've gotta say, "Okay, that's... 1082 00:42:59,611 --> 00:43:01,312 You know, that's what he wants." 1083 00:43:03,647 --> 00:43:05,382 At the end of the movie... 1084 00:43:05,449 --> 00:43:07,501 I got this kind of moment 1085 00:43:07,502 --> 00:43:09,553 where Sean Penn's character looks at me... 1086 00:43:09,620 --> 00:43:11,722 - ...he's across the street, - There's a parade. 1087 00:43:11,789 --> 00:43:13,941 I said, "What is this? 1088 00:43:13,942 --> 00:43:16,093 What's going on here? What is this about?" 1089 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,045 And he wouldn't tell me, you know. 1090 00:43:18,046 --> 00:43:19,930 He wouldn't tell me. 1091 00:43:20,431 --> 00:43:24,635 So... Which is fine because then I go: 1092 00:43:24,735 --> 00:43:27,404 "Okay. Well, if you're not gonna tell me... 1093 00:43:27,471 --> 00:43:28,773 then I'll just have 1094 00:43:28,774 --> 00:43:30,074 to make something up." 1095 00:43:30,507 --> 00:43:31,942 When I asked him, he said: 1096 00:43:32,009 --> 00:43:33,995 "That's gonna be up to the audience 1097 00:43:33,996 --> 00:43:35,980 to decide." 1098 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,332 So when people have asked me that, I've 1099 00:43:38,333 --> 00:43:40,584 sort of respected that wish, you know... 1100 00:43:40,651 --> 00:43:42,987 - ...and said, - "I guess I'll keep that to myself." 1101 00:43:43,087 --> 00:43:45,039 It's not too often that you are able 1102 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,991 to take something like that... 1103 00:43:47,091 --> 00:43:49,960 - ...and, you know, just kind of hold it, - You know, some... 1104 00:43:50,027 --> 00:43:51,528 I'm taking that to my grave. 1105 00:43:51,629 --> 00:43:52,730 When we got to the end 1106 00:43:52,731 --> 00:43:53,831 of Mystic River... 1107 00:43:53,931 --> 00:43:56,934 - ...it was supposed to be a nine-week shoot. - It only took seven. 1108 00:43:57,001 --> 00:43:58,986 And I was really disappointed 1109 00:43:58,987 --> 00:44:00,971 that the movie was done. 1110 00:44:01,038 --> 00:44:02,790 I really wanted to... "Why can't we do 1111 00:44:02,791 --> 00:44:04,541 those extra two weeks?" 1112 00:44:04,642 --> 00:44:07,378 - Because it was so great - And such a great experience... 1113 00:44:07,478 --> 00:44:08,963 and such a, you know, 1114 00:44:08,964 --> 00:44:10,447 kind of reinvention for me... 1115 00:44:10,514 --> 00:44:12,516 about the way you could make a film. 1116 00:44:14,818 --> 00:44:16,587 {\an8}GRAZER: The movie with Angelina Jolie, 1117 00:44:16,588 --> 00:44:18,355 {\an8}that was the first time I worked with him. 1118 00:44:18,455 --> 00:44:20,024 {\an8}I was scared to call him. 1119 00:44:20,124 --> 00:44:21,842 {\an8}Ron Howard and I were... 1120 00:44:21,843 --> 00:44:23,560 {\an8}We called him together. 1121 00:44:23,661 --> 00:44:26,730 - We were both on separate lines. - I've never called Clint Eastwood. 1122 00:44:27,064 --> 00:44:29,500 - And I thought - I've got to know him a little bit. 1123 00:44:29,566 --> 00:44:31,969 - There's some kind of tiny bond - That we have. 1124 00:44:32,036 --> 00:44:33,921 So we called him, got him on the phone 1125 00:44:33,922 --> 00:44:35,806 and pitched him the movie. 1126 00:44:35,873 --> 00:44:38,192 And he said, 1127 00:44:38,193 --> 00:44:40,511 "Well, let me take a look at it." 1128 00:44:40,577 --> 00:44:42,313 And then a few weeks went by 1129 00:44:42,314 --> 00:44:44,048 and he called me... 1130 00:44:44,148 --> 00:44:46,650 - ...and I was actually - At Steven Spielberg's house. 1131 00:44:46,717 --> 00:44:48,436 And he called me up through my office, 1132 00:44:48,437 --> 00:44:50,154 I got him on the cell... 1133 00:44:50,220 --> 00:44:52,723 and he said, "I think I'm interested." 1134 00:44:52,823 --> 00:44:55,159 - And I just thought... - Got off the phone and I said: 1135 00:44:55,225 --> 00:44:57,828 - "Oh, my God, - Ron, Steven, this is amazing. 1136 00:44:57,895 --> 00:44:59,714 Clint Eastwood's gonna direct it. I think 1137 00:44:59,715 --> 00:45:01,532 he's gonna direct a movie of mine." 1138 00:45:01,598 --> 00:45:03,200 And I was just really thrilled. 1139 00:45:03,267 --> 00:45:05,936 - Ron and I went out in the street, - High-fived each other. 1140 00:45:06,036 --> 00:45:07,438 {\an8}Every day you learn something 1141 00:45:07,439 --> 00:45:08,839 {\an8}from Clint. 1142 00:45:08,906 --> 00:45:12,209 - {\an8}The way a set is run, - The way a director can talk to people... 1143 00:45:12,276 --> 00:45:14,044 get performances out of people... 1144 00:45:14,111 --> 00:45:15,813 the way you cannot get bogged down 1145 00:45:15,814 --> 00:45:17,514 in details... 1146 00:45:17,581 --> 00:45:20,017 - ...that are not gonna make the movie - Any better. 1147 00:45:20,084 --> 00:45:21,736 You watch him work 1148 00:45:21,737 --> 00:45:23,387 and it seems sort of simplistic. 1149 00:45:23,921 --> 00:45:26,957 It's just sort of a seductive diffidence. 1150 00:45:27,291 --> 00:45:30,628 He sits back 1151 00:45:30,629 --> 00:45:33,964 and doesn't seem that invested in judging. 1152 00:45:34,064 --> 00:45:36,700 It's freedom that you really wanna feel. 1153 00:45:36,767 --> 00:45:39,353 That's something that the actors feel, 1154 00:45:39,354 --> 00:45:41,939 and the crew does not feel that. 1155 00:45:42,039 --> 00:45:44,492 I'm just going to tell you, 1156 00:45:44,493 --> 00:45:46,944 the crew is in a different kind of vise. 1157 00:45:47,044 --> 00:45:49,713 Because he's so invested 1158 00:45:49,714 --> 00:45:52,382 in making the thing have momentum... 1159 00:45:52,449 --> 00:45:54,918 and move quickly and organically. 1160 00:45:54,985 --> 00:45:57,654 When he feels that he has the scene... 1161 00:45:58,422 --> 00:46:00,574 credibly, authentically made 1162 00:46:00,575 --> 00:46:02,726 by the actors... 1163 00:46:02,793 --> 00:46:05,212 he'll move on, 1164 00:46:05,213 --> 00:46:07,631 and it strikes terror into his crew. 1165 00:46:07,731 --> 00:46:10,484 And so they come 1166 00:46:10,485 --> 00:46:13,237 and they're on their very tiptoes... 1167 00:46:13,303 --> 00:46:15,506 - ...to be ready for anything - That might happen. 1168 00:46:15,606 --> 00:46:18,526 {\an8}Clint has, for years, 1169 00:46:18,527 --> 00:46:21,445 {\an8}kept his crew together. 1170 00:46:21,779 --> 00:46:23,180 {\an8}And it's a familiarity. 1171 00:46:23,614 --> 00:46:27,017 It's also he knows what to expect. 1172 00:46:27,117 --> 00:46:28,886 He even says, "I hire the people 1173 00:46:28,887 --> 00:46:30,654 I feel are right for the jobs." 1174 00:46:30,754 --> 00:46:32,256 And he lets them do their job. 1175 00:46:32,322 --> 00:46:34,258 He gets out of the way is what he says. 1176 00:46:34,324 --> 00:46:36,193 - HAGGIS: - He comes to the set... 1177 00:46:36,927 --> 00:46:38,596 usually they start around 9:00. 1178 00:46:38,597 --> 00:46:40,264 Everyone's prepared. 1179 00:46:40,330 --> 00:46:41,732 You got a good night's rest, 1180 00:46:41,733 --> 00:46:43,133 you do your work. 1181 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:44,785 How are we going home by 2:00 1182 00:46:44,786 --> 00:46:46,370 in the afternoon? 1183 00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:47,805 How is that possible? 1184 00:46:47,871 --> 00:46:49,940 HARDEN: Clint cares about the people 1185 00:46:49,941 --> 00:46:52,009 with whom he's working. 1186 00:46:52,109 --> 00:46:54,111 It is a family. 1187 00:46:54,178 --> 00:46:56,680 - He really respects and admires and loves - His crews. 1188 00:46:57,381 --> 00:46:59,517 HARDEN: He gets that a crew spends 1189 00:46:59,518 --> 00:47:01,652 12 to 13 to 14 to 15... 1190 00:47:02,052 --> 00:47:04,221 come on, 16, 20, whatever hours... 1191 00:47:04,655 --> 00:47:05,973 at the expense 1192 00:47:05,974 --> 00:47:07,291 of their own families. 1193 00:47:07,357 --> 00:47:09,326 So on Space Cowboys... 1194 00:47:09,693 --> 00:47:12,496 Friday, Clint would have steak and lobster 1195 00:47:12,497 --> 00:47:15,299 for the crew from the catering... 1196 00:47:15,365 --> 00:47:17,067 and after lunch, you went home. 1197 00:47:17,167 --> 00:47:19,086 Well, I mean, we had to finish by 4 so 1198 00:47:19,087 --> 00:47:21,004 he could get on the golf course because... 1199 00:47:21,071 --> 00:47:22,206 [MAN CHUCKLING] 1200 00:47:22,306 --> 00:47:24,875 To get that one shot we can never get. 1201 00:47:24,975 --> 00:47:27,061 I was sitting in the trailer one day, 1202 00:47:27,062 --> 00:47:29,146 and it was lunch... 1203 00:47:29,213 --> 00:47:31,181 - ...one of the PAs came up, - Said, "Lunch." 1204 00:47:31,248 --> 00:47:34,251 - And I thought they were gonna say, - "What would you guys like?" 1205 00:47:34,351 --> 00:47:36,253 And instead, Clint said, "Let's go." 1206 00:47:36,353 --> 00:47:38,655 And there's a long lunch line... 1207 00:47:38,722 --> 00:47:40,774 and usually an actor or director 1208 00:47:40,775 --> 00:47:42,826 will go to their trailer... 1209 00:47:42,893 --> 00:47:44,895 and their food is brought to them 1210 00:47:44,896 --> 00:47:46,897 or already waiting for them. 1211 00:47:46,997 --> 00:47:49,499 - We walked over - To where the catering trucks were... 1212 00:47:49,566 --> 00:47:50,901 and he picked up a tray. 1213 00:47:51,001 --> 00:47:53,103 And Clint was, you know, behind... 1214 00:47:53,104 --> 00:47:55,205 I don't know, 20 people. 1215 00:47:55,272 --> 00:47:57,491 And he wouldn't even think 1216 00:47:57,492 --> 00:47:59,710 of cutting in front of anybody. 1217 00:47:59,776 --> 00:48:01,278 I just thought: 1218 00:48:02,112 --> 00:48:04,565 "Oh, that's why he gets people 1219 00:48:04,566 --> 00:48:07,017 to work with him... 1220 00:48:07,084 --> 00:48:08,585 time and time again." 1221 00:48:08,685 --> 00:48:11,355 - He's like, - "They gotta eat too. We're all eating." 1222 00:48:11,421 --> 00:48:12,656 There's no bodyguards, 1223 00:48:12,657 --> 00:48:13,891 there's no coterie... 1224 00:48:13,957 --> 00:48:15,893 there's no pomp and circumstance. 1225 00:48:15,959 --> 00:48:17,744 It said so much in that one moment 1226 00:48:17,745 --> 00:48:19,529 about who he is. 1227 00:48:22,232 --> 00:48:25,035 - {\an8}You're wasting your time. - I told you I don't train girls. 1228 00:48:25,102 --> 00:48:27,037 I thought you might change your mind. 1229 00:48:27,104 --> 00:48:29,073 There's dozens of trainers who train girls. 1230 00:48:29,074 --> 00:48:31,041 You won't any have trouble finding one. 1231 00:48:31,108 --> 00:48:33,410 - I don't hardly need a dozen, boss, - You'll do fine. 1232 00:48:33,977 --> 00:48:36,947 I remember reading it and... 1233 00:48:37,047 --> 00:48:38,983 From page one to the end, 1234 00:48:38,984 --> 00:48:40,918 I thought it was perfect. 1235 00:48:41,718 --> 00:48:43,770 Later into the process, I heard that Clint 1236 00:48:43,771 --> 00:48:45,822 was not only wanting to star in it... 1237 00:48:45,923 --> 00:48:47,291 but wanting to direct it. 1238 00:48:47,391 --> 00:48:50,227 And I was asked to take a meeting. 1239 00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,663 We sat and we talked for about an hour. 1240 00:48:52,763 --> 00:48:55,565 - Uh, we talked about the movie, - We talked about my background... 1241 00:48:55,632 --> 00:48:57,234 he asked if I was an athlete. 1242 00:48:57,301 --> 00:48:59,970 - We chatted a bit about Mystic River - Which was... 1243 00:49:00,070 --> 00:49:01,905 Had just gotten nominated. 1244 00:49:01,972 --> 00:49:04,058 I remember actually something he said at 1245 00:49:04,059 --> 00:49:06,143 that time which has always stayed with me. 1246 00:49:06,243 --> 00:49:08,812 I congratulated him, and he said: 1247 00:49:08,912 --> 00:49:12,015 - "You always aim for the bull's-eye, - But you don't always hit it. 1248 00:49:12,115 --> 00:49:15,652 So it's a nice thing when it works out." 1249 00:49:15,752 --> 00:49:19,589 And at the end of the meeting, he said: 1250 00:49:19,656 --> 00:49:21,968 - [IMITATING CLINT EASTWOOD] - "Well, you better start training." 1251 00:49:21,992 --> 00:49:23,894 {\an8}MAN: She's gonna be boxing with me. 1252 00:49:23,895 --> 00:49:25,796 {\an8}-She'll come in and then she'll punch you... 1253 00:49:25,862 --> 00:49:26,997 Move around a bit. 1254 00:49:27,097 --> 00:49:29,537 - HAGGIS: If anyone else had directed - Million Dollar Baby... 1255 00:49:31,335 --> 00:49:33,103 {\an8}...it wouldn't have got much notice. 1256 00:49:33,170 --> 00:49:35,489 Everybody has their own ideas 1257 00:49:35,490 --> 00:49:37,808 about what a movie should be. 1258 00:49:37,874 --> 00:49:40,127 And I suppose executives here or elsewhere 1259 00:49:40,128 --> 00:49:42,379 have ideas... 1260 00:49:42,479 --> 00:49:43,847 about what the studio 1261 00:49:43,848 --> 00:49:45,215 should be making. 1262 00:49:45,315 --> 00:49:47,601 There were several pictures in a row there 1263 00:49:47,602 --> 00:49:49,886 that the studio here had doubts about. 1264 00:49:49,987 --> 00:49:51,955 And one of them was Million Dollar Baby. 1265 00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:54,291 - MAN: - Yeah. Get in there. 1266 00:49:54,358 --> 00:49:56,126 - HAGGIS: - It's a boxing movie. 1267 00:49:56,493 --> 00:49:58,662 It's a girl boxing movie. 1268 00:49:58,729 --> 00:50:00,431 A girl boxing movie about a woman 1269 00:50:00,432 --> 00:50:02,132 who wants to kill herself in the end. 1270 00:50:02,199 --> 00:50:03,834 I mean, who would see that film? 1271 00:50:03,900 --> 00:50:05,702 But make it a Clint Eastwood movie 1272 00:50:05,703 --> 00:50:07,504 and people are really curious. 1273 00:50:08,572 --> 00:50:10,683 - EASTWOOD: - It could have easily been a terrible flop. 1274 00:50:10,707 --> 00:50:13,076 All movies can easily be a terrible flop. 1275 00:50:13,176 --> 00:50:15,679 And good movies don't always do well 1276 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,181 and bad movies sometimes do great. 1277 00:50:18,248 --> 00:50:21,184 - So there's no rule. - There's no rule you can follow. 1278 00:50:21,251 --> 00:50:22,986 Everybody thinks there's a rule... 1279 00:50:23,053 --> 00:50:25,255 - ...and everybody thinks - They've got the answer. 1280 00:50:25,355 --> 00:50:27,557 But nobody has the answer. 1281 00:50:28,692 --> 00:50:30,927 - MAGGIE: - You got any family, boss? 1282 00:50:31,495 --> 00:50:33,830 Well, I've got a daughter, Katie. 1283 00:50:34,664 --> 00:50:35,766 That's family. 1284 00:50:36,733 --> 00:50:38,769 We're not exactly close. 1285 00:50:38,869 --> 00:50:40,621 EASTWOOD: I approached it 1286 00:50:40,622 --> 00:50:42,372 like it was a father-daughter love story. 1287 00:50:42,439 --> 00:50:44,591 It was the daughter he never had 1288 00:50:44,592 --> 00:50:46,743 and the father she never had. 1289 00:50:46,843 --> 00:50:49,243 - SWANK: Actually, - It makes me emotional taking about it... 1290 00:50:49,279 --> 00:50:51,265 because it's exactly how 1291 00:50:51,266 --> 00:50:53,250 our relationship evolved... 1292 00:50:53,350 --> 00:50:58,955 as director-actor, actor... 1293 00:50:59,423 --> 00:51:01,358 And then how it built into a friendship. 1294 00:51:01,892 --> 00:51:03,593 - EASTWOOD: - She was successful... 1295 00:51:03,693 --> 00:51:06,163 but also had caused the tragedy 1296 00:51:06,164 --> 00:51:08,632 the picture eventually takes on. 1297 00:51:21,778 --> 00:51:24,548 We didn't shoot in... Right in order... 1298 00:51:24,614 --> 00:51:27,050 - ...but we did do the hospital stuff - At the end. 1299 00:51:27,117 --> 00:51:30,120 - Which was good because - That's when my body was deteriorating... 1300 00:51:30,220 --> 00:51:31,888 and I stopped training. 1301 00:51:31,955 --> 00:51:34,291 I'm gonna disconnect your air machine... 1302 00:51:35,292 --> 00:51:36,760 then you're gonna go to sleep. 1303 00:51:37,761 --> 00:51:40,497 Then I'll give you a shot 1304 00:51:40,498 --> 00:51:43,233 and you'll stay asleep. 1305 00:51:43,300 --> 00:51:45,619 And just at that point, we had gotten 1306 00:51:45,620 --> 00:51:47,938 to this closeness in our relationship... 1307 00:51:48,004 --> 00:51:50,841 that I think helped with all of that... 1308 00:51:50,941 --> 00:51:53,610 - ...and Clint has a very special place - In my heart. 1309 00:51:55,479 --> 00:51:59,116 Mo cuishle means my darling. 1310 00:51:59,182 --> 00:52:00,617 My blood. 1311 00:52:00,951 --> 00:52:02,553 You know, in this world, 1312 00:52:02,554 --> 00:52:04,154 we need people who believe in us. 1313 00:52:04,988 --> 00:52:07,291 And Clint believed in me 1314 00:52:07,292 --> 00:52:09,593 just like Frankie believed in Maggie. 1315 00:52:09,659 --> 00:52:11,862 And he gave me that gift. 1316 00:52:11,962 --> 00:52:14,998 And it was an extraordinary feeling... 1317 00:52:15,098 --> 00:52:17,601 - ...to have that support, that confidence - Behind you. 1318 00:52:17,667 --> 00:52:19,436 If I had to be done tomorrow 1319 00:52:19,437 --> 00:52:21,204 and I could never do it again... 1320 00:52:21,304 --> 00:52:23,073 having the experience with him 1321 00:52:23,074 --> 00:52:24,841 would make it okay. 1322 00:52:26,343 --> 00:52:29,279 - SPIELBERG: - He'll read a script and he'll say, um: 1323 00:52:29,346 --> 00:52:31,848 - "Yeah, this could be an interesting - Little picture." 1324 00:52:31,948 --> 00:52:34,151 - Give him something, - He'll read it right away. 1325 00:52:34,217 --> 00:52:37,587 Which is really not something you can 1326 00:52:37,588 --> 00:52:40,957 easily say about most gigantic filmmakers. 1327 00:52:41,024 --> 00:52:43,059 - They don't really know - If they wanna do it. 1328 00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,496 - You could wait months and years - To find out if they really wanna do it. 1329 00:52:46,563 --> 00:52:49,733 - Clint Eastwood tells you, pretty early on, - you're in or you're out. 1330 00:52:49,833 --> 00:52:51,501 Maybe I'm a little more decisive. 1331 00:52:51,568 --> 00:52:54,221 I think that happens 1332 00:52:54,222 --> 00:52:56,873 as you get more miles on the trail. 1333 00:52:56,973 --> 00:53:00,243 - There isn't a gray area - where you're gonna talk him into anything. 1334 00:53:00,343 --> 00:53:03,480 - And the older you get, - I think there's something about... 1335 00:53:03,547 --> 00:53:06,049 - You get to a certain age and - What can they do to you? 1336 00:53:06,149 --> 00:53:07,918 Not much. Heh, heh. 1337 00:53:08,018 --> 00:53:10,170 I mean, I wish I had that 1338 00:53:10,171 --> 00:53:12,322 low-stress approach to finding material. 1339 00:53:12,389 --> 00:53:15,525 - In the case of Gran Torino, - From the point he said, "I like it"... 1340 00:53:15,592 --> 00:53:18,495 - ...to the point it was on movie screens - Was less than a year. 1341 00:53:18,562 --> 00:53:20,080 Which could be a record 1342 00:53:20,081 --> 00:53:21,598 for a studio picture. 1343 00:53:21,698 --> 00:53:23,200 Get off my lawn. 1344 00:53:23,266 --> 00:53:24,568 Listen, old man... 1345 00:53:24,668 --> 00:53:27,837 I said get off my lawn now. 1346 00:53:27,904 --> 00:53:30,440 - I'm not gonna say it again. - Go in the freaking house. 1347 00:53:30,540 --> 00:53:32,459 I go in that house 1348 00:53:32,460 --> 00:53:34,377 after I've blown a hole in your head. 1349 00:53:34,444 --> 00:53:36,913 And I sleep like a baby. 1350 00:53:37,013 --> 00:53:39,082 - He doesn't want anything to do - With anybody. 1351 00:53:39,182 --> 00:53:41,851 - Especially people - That are different than he is. 1352 00:53:41,918 --> 00:53:44,404 He's a guy who is very, very disturbed 1353 00:53:44,405 --> 00:53:46,890 about the way culture's gone. 1354 00:53:46,957 --> 00:53:49,910 He's had a loss in the family 1355 00:53:49,911 --> 00:53:52,862 and he's estranged from his grown children. 1356 00:53:52,929 --> 00:53:54,815 And he's... He doesn't like the way 1357 00:53:54,816 --> 00:53:56,700 the neighborhoods have changed. 1358 00:53:56,766 --> 00:53:59,102 This character seemed 1359 00:53:59,103 --> 00:54:01,438 like the same age as I am. 1360 00:54:01,538 --> 00:54:04,040 - I'm not the same curmudgeonly. - I'm not quite as... 1361 00:54:04,774 --> 00:54:07,410 I'm not quite as negative 1362 00:54:07,411 --> 00:54:10,046 as the character. 1363 00:54:10,113 --> 00:54:13,283 - It's always interesting to me, - As people get older, the work they do. 1364 00:54:13,883 --> 00:54:16,086 There's a different rhythm. 1365 00:54:16,087 --> 00:54:18,288 The writer, the actors and him. 1366 00:54:19,289 --> 00:54:21,358 EASTWOOD: I think some movies 1367 00:54:21,359 --> 00:54:23,426 exceed your expectations... 1368 00:54:23,493 --> 00:54:25,162 and others disappoint 1369 00:54:25,163 --> 00:54:26,830 your expectations. 1370 00:54:26,930 --> 00:54:28,965 If you fail on your own terms... 1371 00:54:29,065 --> 00:54:31,117 then at least you fail 1372 00:54:31,118 --> 00:54:33,169 with your heads held high. 1373 00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:35,672 But if you fail on somebody else's terms, 1374 00:54:35,673 --> 00:54:38,074 you're gonna hate yourself forever. 1375 00:54:39,409 --> 00:54:41,511 Invictus, I thought more people 1376 00:54:41,512 --> 00:54:43,613 would know about Nelson Mandela... 1377 00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,515 be interested in Nelson Mandela... 1378 00:54:45,615 --> 00:54:48,118 - ...and how he governed - When he took over the country. 1379 00:54:48,184 --> 00:54:50,687 - Which is an interesting lesson - In today's world. 1380 00:54:51,488 --> 00:54:53,724 Generations pass 1381 00:54:53,725 --> 00:54:55,959 and they forget all about him. 1382 00:54:57,027 --> 00:54:58,962 At least Americans do. 1383 00:54:59,029 --> 00:55:00,814 But Americans move on fast 1384 00:55:00,815 --> 00:55:02,599 to other things. Heh. 1385 00:55:05,035 --> 00:55:06,904 Now push it forward to him. Push it. 1386 00:55:06,905 --> 00:55:08,772 There you go. 1387 00:55:08,838 --> 00:55:11,241 If the stories are becoming 1388 00:55:11,242 --> 00:55:13,643 more complicated, the style doesn't. 1389 00:55:13,710 --> 00:55:14,711 That's the difference. 1390 00:55:15,211 --> 00:55:17,614 If he's searching for more in a story... 1391 00:55:17,681 --> 00:55:20,216 - ...I mean, he still has the ability - To hold back... 1392 00:55:20,317 --> 00:55:22,852 not be intrusive to the image. 1393 00:55:22,952 --> 00:55:25,722 - Other directors are intrusive - To the image, it's wonderful. 1394 00:55:25,822 --> 00:55:27,624 This guy just doesn't wanna do that. 1395 00:55:27,691 --> 00:55:29,326 The style's in the same way. 1396 00:55:29,392 --> 00:55:31,528 Ultimately that leads to the film 1397 00:55:31,529 --> 00:55:33,663 that he made last year which is J. Edgar. 1398 00:55:35,165 --> 00:55:36,833 Blow it down. 1399 00:55:37,801 --> 00:55:39,653 GRAZER: Well, on J. Edgar, what I did is I... 1400 00:55:39,654 --> 00:55:41,504 I'd already had a relationship with him... 1401 00:55:41,571 --> 00:55:44,207 because I'd produced the Changeling. 1402 00:55:44,307 --> 00:55:47,310 {\an8}And I felt that we had a bond... 1403 00:55:47,377 --> 00:55:48,862 {\an8}...and that he trusted me, 1404 00:55:48,863 --> 00:55:50,347 {\an8}you know, just man to man. 1405 00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,932 I felt Clint might be interested 1406 00:55:52,933 --> 00:55:54,984 because it was an era that he knows. 1407 00:55:55,051 --> 00:55:57,270 It's about power dynamics, 1408 00:55:57,271 --> 00:55:59,489 it's about a complicated man. 1409 00:56:00,390 --> 00:56:03,526 - Mr. Chairman, - I urge passage of the Lindbergh Law. 1410 00:56:03,593 --> 00:56:06,329 Making kidnapping a federal offense... 1411 00:56:06,396 --> 00:56:08,281 to immediately deliver all fingerprints 1412 00:56:08,282 --> 00:56:10,166 in this country to my office... 1413 00:56:10,233 --> 00:56:13,036 so that we may create a central file... 1414 00:56:13,103 --> 00:56:15,038 to help arm our agents... 1415 00:56:15,105 --> 00:56:16,990 so that they have a fighting chance 1416 00:56:16,991 --> 00:56:18,875 against the submachine guns... 1417 00:56:18,942 --> 00:56:21,328 of some of the most dangerous characters 1418 00:56:21,329 --> 00:56:23,713 in the history of American criminality. 1419 00:56:23,780 --> 00:56:26,950 It's also sort of an American tragedy as well 1420 00:56:26,951 --> 00:56:30,120 because J. Edgar created, formed the FBI... 1421 00:56:30,220 --> 00:56:33,723 and he died a very lonely death. 1422 00:56:33,790 --> 00:56:36,526 You know, for me it's like 1423 00:56:36,527 --> 00:56:39,262 Pablo Casals playing cello... 1424 00:56:39,362 --> 00:56:41,898 - ...in a room by himself - Towards the end of his life... 1425 00:56:41,965 --> 00:56:44,100 that's how it sort of enveloped me. 1426 00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,403 It went into his very essence, 1427 00:56:46,404 --> 00:56:48,605 his being, in a way. 1428 00:56:48,705 --> 00:56:50,307 And it was very subversive 1429 00:56:50,308 --> 00:56:51,908 because of that. 1430 00:56:51,975 --> 00:56:55,278 - It sucked you in. Before you realize, - You didn't wanna leave... 1431 00:56:55,378 --> 00:56:57,981 - ...but you don't like the guy, - But you're not leaving. 1432 00:56:58,882 --> 00:57:01,718 - {\an8}I've been with the department - Of the bureau for seven years. 1433 00:57:01,785 --> 00:57:02,786 Almost as long as you. 1434 00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:05,155 No. 1435 00:57:05,255 --> 00:57:07,424 You were with the old bureau seven years 1436 00:57:07,425 --> 00:57:09,592 and that bureau is now gone, sir. 1437 00:57:10,493 --> 00:57:11,761 And so are you. 1438 00:57:11,828 --> 00:57:13,363 Um, I was a little surprised 1439 00:57:13,364 --> 00:57:14,898 that more people didn't see it. 1440 00:57:14,964 --> 00:57:18,168 - Many pictures people haven't gotten, - 10 years later, they get them. 1441 00:57:18,268 --> 00:57:21,271 - Biographical films, - we've seen a lot of them over the years... 1442 00:57:21,337 --> 00:57:23,106 some of them work and some don't. 1443 00:57:23,173 --> 00:57:25,225 There's no doubt, I think this one has a 1444 00:57:25,226 --> 00:57:27,277 depth to it and a power, a staying power... 1445 00:57:27,343 --> 00:57:29,646 that once people calm down a little bit 1446 00:57:29,647 --> 00:57:31,948 and try to see what the hell it was... 1447 00:57:32,015 --> 00:57:33,516 they'll come around to it. 1448 00:57:33,616 --> 00:57:36,152 - A lot of times - You find material that's interesting... 1449 00:57:36,252 --> 00:57:38,755 - ...and the public doesn't find it interesting - at all. 1450 00:57:38,822 --> 00:57:42,192 - But that's horse racing. You're still doing it - from what interests you. 1451 00:57:42,292 --> 00:57:45,195 - And if you're out of sync with the public, - that just... 1452 00:57:45,295 --> 00:57:46,863 That happens to everybody 1453 00:57:46,864 --> 00:57:48,431 at some point. 1454 00:57:48,498 --> 00:57:51,434 But, uh, you just... 1455 00:57:51,501 --> 00:57:52,969 You know, the old song. 1456 00:57:53,036 --> 00:57:55,371 Pick yourself up and go back in the race. 1457 00:57:56,272 --> 00:57:58,742 Any criticism to Clint, you know, 1458 00:57:58,743 --> 00:58:01,211 came under in the early part of his career. 1459 00:58:01,311 --> 00:58:02,629 You know, you mentioned 1460 00:58:02,630 --> 00:58:03,947 Pauline Kael and others. 1461 00:58:04,013 --> 00:58:06,015 You know, he's had the last laugh. 1462 00:58:06,115 --> 00:58:09,018 - We're talking and he says, - "Yeah, to tell you the truth... 1463 00:58:09,118 --> 00:58:11,321 - ...I still don't think - I've done my best work." 1464 00:58:11,387 --> 00:58:14,207 I think the strength and the power come 1465 00:58:14,208 --> 00:58:17,026 from his gigantic desire... 1466 00:58:17,126 --> 00:58:21,498 to be and stay relevant. 1467 00:58:21,564 --> 00:58:23,266 That is, to me, 1468 00:58:23,267 --> 00:58:24,968 what differentiates him from guys... 1469 00:58:25,034 --> 00:58:28,304 - ...who wanna sit around, - talk about how great that movie they did... 1470 00:58:28,371 --> 00:58:30,373 or this movie, blah, blah, blah. 1471 00:58:30,374 --> 00:58:32,375 You know, Clint's still in the hunt. 1472 00:58:32,475 --> 00:58:34,177 You don't wanna be an old gummer... 1473 00:58:34,244 --> 00:58:36,046 sitting around talking about how things 1474 00:58:36,047 --> 00:58:37,847 were so great in the old days. 1475 00:58:37,914 --> 00:58:41,150 - They were great in the old days, - But they're good in other days too. 1476 00:58:41,217 --> 00:58:43,520 - You just have to... - It's what you make out of it. 1477 00:58:43,586 --> 00:58:47,323 I think maybe Clint is the last of the, um... 1478 00:58:47,390 --> 00:58:50,560 The last vestiges of the golden age 1479 00:58:50,561 --> 00:58:53,730 of the Hollywood studio film. 1480 00:58:53,830 --> 00:58:56,366 - He's one of the most successful filmmakers - in history. 1481 00:58:56,432 --> 00:58:59,102 And he's a brilliant actor, 1482 00:58:59,103 --> 00:59:01,771 and he just continues to do his thing. 1483 00:59:01,871 --> 00:59:04,207 And, you know, he's laughing 1484 00:59:04,208 --> 00:59:06,543 all the way to the movies. 1485 00:59:06,609 --> 00:59:09,345 There's a body of work that will survive. 1486 00:59:09,412 --> 00:59:11,798 Some may be considered stronger 1487 00:59:11,799 --> 00:59:14,183 or last longer than others. 1488 00:59:14,250 --> 00:59:16,569 But I think they'll always speak 1489 00:59:16,570 --> 00:59:18,888 to future generations... 1490 00:59:18,955 --> 00:59:20,707 because of the humanity of the films, 1491 00:59:20,708 --> 00:59:22,458 the ethics of the films. 1492 00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:24,411 Clint is a legend, but he's not 1493 00:59:24,412 --> 00:59:26,262 carrying it around in a placard. 1494 00:59:26,362 --> 00:59:28,631 Maybe real legends don't carry it around 1495 00:59:28,632 --> 00:59:30,900 in a placard on their chest saying: 1496 00:59:30,967 --> 00:59:33,136 "I'm a legend, by God." 1497 00:59:33,636 --> 00:59:36,873 Wannabe legends do, but real ones don't. 1498 00:59:36,940 --> 00:59:39,208 - Some days you can't remember - Somebody's name... 1499 00:59:39,275 --> 00:59:41,044 or you can't remember something. 1500 00:59:41,110 --> 00:59:44,414 - Is it because you're actually losing - Memory... 1501 00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:45,765 and you're becoming 1502 00:59:45,766 --> 00:59:47,050 somewhat senile? 1503 00:59:47,116 --> 00:59:49,586 Or is it because 1504 00:59:49,587 --> 00:59:52,055 you just have had so much information... 1505 00:59:52,121 --> 00:59:54,541 crammed into your brain after 80 years 1506 00:59:54,542 --> 00:59:56,960 that you have...? 1507 00:59:57,060 --> 00:59:58,962 Can't hold anymore. 1508 00:59:59,062 --> 01:00:00,897 You'd like to think it's the latter, 1509 01:00:00,898 --> 01:00:02,732 heh, but... 1510 01:00:02,799 --> 01:00:05,135 He loves making movies, he likes to make 1511 01:00:05,136 --> 01:00:07,470 as many as he can, as many movies. 1512 01:00:07,570 --> 01:00:09,305 The possibility of retirement... 1513 01:00:09,739 --> 01:00:12,108 Once in a while it crosses my mind 1514 01:00:12,109 --> 01:00:14,477 and then I quickly get over it. 1515 01:00:14,577 --> 01:00:16,079 Of all the people I've ever met 1516 01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:17,580 in the business... 1517 01:00:17,647 --> 01:00:20,950 that he is the closest... 1518 01:00:21,417 --> 01:00:24,871 to being both a creative director 1519 01:00:24,872 --> 01:00:28,324 and a human being. 1520 01:00:30,026 --> 01:00:32,495 [SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY] 1521 01:00:35,465 --> 01:00:37,033 That's it. 1522 01:00:38,334 --> 01:00:40,269 Cut. 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