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(male narrator)
I've always said that
I have learned
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something new on every picture.
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Not only about picture making,
about personalities
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with crew and cast, uh,
but also about yourself.
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He's a good guy.
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And you see that in his films.
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The camera kinda doesn't lie
about that kind of thing.
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There's no doubt
that he's the link
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from the cinema
that I grew up with
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and loved to the modern day.
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What else is he gonna do?
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Cause he surprised us
so many times.
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Life is exciting to him.
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He always wants
to try something new.
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I think Clint Eastwood
has a style of directing
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and dealing with people but
he's a style in progress.
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He'd be the first person to say
he doesn't know everything.
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He'd be the first person to say
he makes mistakes.
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He's proved something about
the difficulty of achievement.
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Dedication to a principle.
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The willingness
to always learn more.
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Not just sit
and collect your check.
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He's quietly competitive
beneath the creativity
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and, uh, gentle nature
that he has.
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Uh, he's very driven.
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He continues to astonish
all of us who thought
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we got the idea of what
a Clint Eastwood was all about.
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The second we
try to pigeonhole him
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he does something else
to make us eat our words.
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Time and time again
you'll see him know
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the kind of influence
that he has on people.
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And he will in the subtlest
ways make them comfortable.
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There's a lot I'm curious about
him. I'm not sure he's tellin'.
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I think he's inspirational.
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I've waited 75 years for this.
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I think Clint has changed
the paradigm of his own image
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several times in his lifetime
inside this business.
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I think he understands
that stagnant equals death.
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His mind is always open
to the intake of creativity.
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Alright, ready?
Go ahead.
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He's interested
in the stories.
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Some people take jobs,
he didn't have to.
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He just takes it
'cause he's interested.
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And one of the things
that makes him
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most wonderful to me is,
I like to see somebody
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come out of the shadows, as
it were, and fool everybody..
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...with how good they are.
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Get off my lawn.
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Thought you might be
interested in training me.
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I don't train girls.
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You wanna leave your husband?
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No.
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Well, I guess I had it coming.
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We all have it coming.
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When I was a young, uh,
contract player
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back in early 50's,
I used to go down
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to the sound stages mainly
to watch the actors.
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I was trying
to learn all
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about the acting profession
but I was always curious
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about the directors
and curious about
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how they were, uh,
putting it together.
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He didn't wear jodhpurs
and a cowboy hat
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and smoke and have a lorgnette.
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He didn't go for the trappings
of it, he just did it.
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I think he was maybe just born
with that kind of creativity.
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The few things that
he told me..
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...being a pool boy, his dad
running the filling station.
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Money was tight
and he grew up understanding
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the economy of scale.
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He has a really good
understanding of people
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and of how complex we are
as human beings.
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There's, um, a seemingly
simplicity to the style.
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Let's just, uh fire one off
and see where we are.
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His personality as a filmmaker
is not forced on you.
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The things that he'd,
he is directing
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he cares a great deal about.
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He just trusts his gut
and it probably started early
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on in "Rawhide" and Hollywood
and start with nothing
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and, uh, you know he earned
his way into a great situation.
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In the late 50's,
when I started on "Rawhide"
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you had different directors
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every week coming
and doing a show.
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You start finding out what
you like and what you don't
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about various characteristics
that directors have.
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Finally one day,
I started thinking
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I oughta try this myself.
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And he began to realize,
you know I could do this.
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I'm not putting words
in his mouth but he..
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...realized I have
the heart for it.
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The first time I worked
for Clint, the history
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that I knew of Clint
was "Rawhide."
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Because as a little girl,
my sisters and I would watch
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"Rawhide" and we would get
to be the different characters.
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My sister got
to be "Rawhide", the other
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got to be the girl,
I was the cook.
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Um, but, we loved him.
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The directors that
influenced him most
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were, Sergio Leone
and Don Siegel.
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They're such
different directors
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but you see Clint's
movies and you can see
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the impact about those
talented gentlemen had on him.
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How was Sergio Leone
able to influence?
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I'm not exactly sure
how he did it.
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But if you look at
the mechanics of those movies
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they didn't rely
on a lot of dialogue.
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But he was great. He had
a very vivid imagination.
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(Clint)
When we did the first one,
he didn't shoot many close-ups
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being from television I said,
well you know..
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I'm playing kind of a crazy
character, you got to..
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So instead of doing
the close ups like this
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he'd do close-ups like,
you know he'd go.
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He'd do everything
in very broad strokes.
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The way he approached
things was so unusual
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he almost had a child-like
glee, uh, about things.
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One time we were
shooting in Spain
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and he wanted the tree
with a hangman's noose
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hanging from it
as sort of a threat
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to anybody who's riding by.
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And there were no trees
in Southern Spain
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and the Almeria
was just desolate.
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But there was this one yard
that had an old big dead tree.
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He goes to the house
and all of a sudden
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goes in their yard
and has the crew there
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sawing down this tree.
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And the guy comes out
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who owned the house
and he was incensed.
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So Sergio told him he was
from the highway department
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and that the tree
was a safety hazard
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'cause it would fall on the road
and we had to take it out.
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And here he is, an Italian
speaking with an Italian accent
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to this Spaniard
and he convinces him
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that he's from
the highway department.
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I came back to the States and
started doing American films.
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In 1970, I found this, uh,
script, "Play Misty For Me."
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I actually found it in 1969
and I was just fascinated by it.
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I know when he did,
"Play Misty For Me"
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that he had gone
to Universal and made a deal
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so he could direct
his first movie.
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And he said,
"Yeah, that's fine."
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And I was completely
surprised
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and my agent Lenny Hirshan
was there with me
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and he came to me and says,
"Yeah, there's just one
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"additional thing that
they forgot to mention.
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"They don't want
to pay you anything."
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To me, I said, they shouldn't.
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They shouldn't pay me anything,
I'll pay them.
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I said if they should make,
I should have to prove myself.
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What do you want, Evelyn?
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One coke.
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I tell you tonight,
I'm really ripped.
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I think the first time
I knew Clint Eastwood
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beyond his iconic status as
an international matinee idol.
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Was when I saw,
"Play Misty For Me."
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For the first time and along
with the rest of Hollywood.
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Clint was overnight,
we all recognized Clint.
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You know to be
a fantastic filmmaker
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and someone who
is really a storyteller
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and not just an actor
who's job was to tell
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someone else's stories.
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When he started working
with Don Siegel
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he started to get hinged
to the other side..
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...the other
side of the camera.
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He really did kind
of watch Don Siegel a lot
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and learn the kind of
basic craft of making movies.
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He was just a terrific guy.
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He didn't waver
from his confidence.
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He liked what he liked
and he moved on.
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If something wasn't working,
if you could offer something
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to improve the scene,
he was the first guy to grab it.
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He used to joke, he said,
"Yeah, anybody, the janitor
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"can give me an idea.
If it's a good, I'll steal it."
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They had a great
relationship together
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and they worked on, you know,
quite a few films together.
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And then Siegel
was in "Play Misty For Me."
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Uh, I think as a bartender.
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I gave Don a part 'cause
I thought it would be fun.
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I said, "you wanna play this
bartender? He says, I would.
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"He said he'd like to
but he said you should have
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"a really good character
to do it.
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"I said, no, no, I was kidding,
half kidding but maybe
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"I was half serious too,
You'll be better for it
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and more understanding
of actors for playing it
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and I'll have you there
in case anything goes wrong.
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I copied from Don Siegel
a technique that he used.
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I would write down
all my notes
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on the opposite page and then
I get it all planned out.
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I said I think I got this.
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I turned out the light,
sitting there
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and I'm almost
going to sleep
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and I wake up
and say, "wait
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"I've got to speak and command.
I've got to be ready to go."
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So I turned on the light,
sit back up, go through it
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from a whole other perspective.
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Then I realize this
ain't an easy job
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doing both things.
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But then after a while
you get used to it.
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The whole thing
will be converging
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and start moving.
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I really don't understand
how people direct
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and act at the same time.
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And then to produce,
direct and act
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all at the same time
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is a pretty daunting task.
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(Kevin Bacon)
If you're an actor and
you start to direct
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it must give you
a great appreciation
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for how hard
the director's job is.
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I feel if you're an actor
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only an idiot wouldn't know
how hard a director's job is.
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(Hilary Swank)
It was interesting having your
co-star be your director.
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It's nerve-wracking
just because he is Clint.
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He's an anomaly,
he's a legend.
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It's hard because you're
looking at Clint Eastwood.
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And then you get
into your groove
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and I started seeing him
as his character
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and yet then
he was also directing me.
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You don't even know
you're being directed.
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Boss.
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That little house
we talked about.
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- 'I bought it.'
- Well, smart girl.
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'For my mama.'
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Okay.
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His ability to see and watch
while he's acting with me
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is nothing short of astonishing.
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I never felt him
directing me
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while acting
a scene together.
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Except once,
a scene in the kitchen
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talking about his exploits
in Africa.
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For an actor, there's
no more disconcerting
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feeling than knowing that
the person you're in the scene
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with has absented himself.
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He was watching...the movie.
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Ha ha ha.
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He was watching me but
wasn't in the scene.
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I said something because
I've never felt that before.
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And he said you're right.
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You're right.
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It'll never happen again,
it never did.
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When he's directing
a movie that he's in
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he really understands
the pitches
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that he hits really well.
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And he sets himself up
to succeed.
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Girlie, tough ain't enough.
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When people think of him
they think of
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the guy that's like,
"Go ahead make my day."
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You know like comin' out
with guns
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and, uh, Dirty Harry and, um...
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yet Clint has one
of the biggest hearts
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of anyone I know.
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(Spielberg)
We were friends.
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And I one day
was with Clint and I said
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I've got this NBC series
called "Amazing Stories"
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and you know Scorsese
is going to direct one.
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I gave him a list directors,
feature directors
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to make these
half an hour television
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anthological stories
and I offered him something
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00:12:15,668 --> 00:12:18,337
that I had written myself
called "Vanessa In The Garden."
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And he liked it.
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And he, uh,
and he mounted it
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and he directed it
and he cast my mother in it.
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As a glorified extra.
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It's among the greatest thing
he ever did for my family.
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Getting my mother on television
for the first time.
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Only Clint Eastwood
could do that.
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00:12:34,420 --> 00:12:38,357
I don't think Clint takes
himself so seriously.
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00:12:38,424 --> 00:12:41,327
He takes the business seriously
but not himself seriously.
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00:12:41,393 --> 00:12:45,431
(Tommy Lee Jones)
Sometimes it was hard to, uh,
get a take on the first
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because everybody's laughing.
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That's very important,
it infuses a film with spirit.
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Even if it's a sad scene,
everybody's havin' fun..
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...then, then the audience
is all the closer.
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I don't like contention and
bells ringing, people yelling.
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I like everything to be smooth.
273
00:13:03,616 --> 00:13:07,286
It should be, if it isn't fun
we shouldn't even be there.
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00:13:07,353 --> 00:13:10,322
(Kevin Bacon)
We were doing
a scene with a guy.
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I guess the guy
was a little nervous.
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He was a little unsure
of himself.
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Clint took aside and said,
"sometimes it helps
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"if you could screw up
a little bit."
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"Cause it'll make the guy feel
like, if Kevin's screwing up
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"then anybody can screw up
and I can do better."
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00:13:24,937 --> 00:13:27,540
And I was like, what,
it's a really interesting idea.
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So the next take, you know,
I went in and I flubbed my line.
283
00:13:31,677 --> 00:13:33,813
And sure enough,
the guy got better.
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He got stronger.
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I went in and did another
take and flubbed my line.
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Clint said, "okay
that's enough screwing up."
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(Gene Hackman)
On "Unforgiven"
it occurred to me
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that there was a time
when a bunch of studio heads
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came up to the film
and Clint had his helicopter
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00:13:50,029 --> 00:13:51,263
up there in Canada.
291
00:13:51,330 --> 00:13:54,567
He had his pilot
fly them down to the set.
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It was no big deal.
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They weren't pressuring
me or anything.
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When they called lunch,
Clint looked and he says
295
00:14:00,639 --> 00:14:02,842
"Want to go for another ride?"
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00:14:02,908 --> 00:14:05,110
And I said, "Yeah, sure."
297
00:14:05,177 --> 00:14:08,647
So we go out and Clint
was qualified in the helicopter.
298
00:14:08,714 --> 00:14:10,549
We both get on then..
299
00:14:10,616 --> 00:14:11,884
...in the helicopter.
300
00:14:11,951 --> 00:14:14,720
And through the front
Plexiglas window
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00:14:14,787 --> 00:14:19,191
you could see that the
four to five studio types
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00:14:19,258 --> 00:14:20,960
standing there on a hill.
303
00:14:21,026 --> 00:14:24,663
You know, what in the world
are these two guys
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00:14:24,730 --> 00:14:27,132
goin' up in this, uh,
helicopter.
305
00:14:27,199 --> 00:14:29,735
Ha ha ha, I loved it.
306
00:14:32,004 --> 00:14:35,641
Okay, get ready and go.
307
00:14:35,708 --> 00:14:39,979
The only time I ever saw him
rouse himself was when I heard
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00:14:40,045 --> 00:14:43,115
there was
a slight noise outside
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00:14:43,182 --> 00:14:46,552
the kitchen where
we were shooting.
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00:14:46,619 --> 00:14:48,754
Someone moving a truck,
you know, just trying
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00:14:48,821 --> 00:14:51,757
to anticipate his every need.
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00:14:51,824 --> 00:14:57,496
Uh, down the lane
and he heard, "Rrrr"..
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00:14:57,563 --> 00:15:01,300
...and he just yelled.
314
00:15:01,367 --> 00:15:03,168
I'd be terrified
to see his temper.
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00:15:03,235 --> 00:15:05,371
Technical difficulty.
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Honing up things.
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00:15:06,906 --> 00:15:10,009
Something they
couldn't get right.
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00:15:10,075 --> 00:15:11,343
And it was holding
them up.
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00:15:11,410 --> 00:15:16,415
And his anger's suddenness
like an explosion.
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00:15:16,482 --> 00:15:18,050
"Fix it."
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00:15:18,117 --> 00:15:20,185
That's the only time
I've ever seen him..
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00:15:20,252 --> 00:15:23,088
...get anywhere beyond placid.
323
00:15:23,155 --> 00:15:24,757
I've seen his
disappointment in people
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00:15:24,823 --> 00:15:27,726
and he, and when that happens..
325
00:15:27,793 --> 00:15:31,163
...I've seen this sort
of, the icy side of him.
326
00:15:31,230 --> 00:15:34,300
And, uh, I've seen him
do that to somebody
327
00:15:34,366 --> 00:15:37,903
and I just never wanted
to be in that vision myself.
328
00:15:37,970 --> 00:15:40,673
When he yells,
it so shocked everyone.
329
00:15:40,739 --> 00:15:43,609
We all had to go lie down.
It was really..
330
00:15:45,210 --> 00:15:48,047
He doesn't question
the choices he makes.
331
00:15:48,113 --> 00:15:51,150
(Gene)
He just had that
sly confidence
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00:15:51,216 --> 00:15:53,419
that this is gonna happen.
333
00:15:53,485 --> 00:15:57,323
I think it comes from the roles
that he did over the years
334
00:15:57,389 --> 00:15:59,658
before he decided to direct.
335
00:15:59,725 --> 00:16:02,661
You're thinking, did he
fire six shots or only five.
336
00:16:04,229 --> 00:16:07,499
To tell you the truth I forgot
myself in all this excitement.
337
00:16:07,566 --> 00:16:09,568
Clint came along
with the right product
338
00:16:09,635 --> 00:16:11,403
and the right story
and character.
339
00:16:11,470 --> 00:16:13,572
I think the audience
just really..
340
00:16:13,639 --> 00:16:16,041
...like a magnet
attached itself to it.
341
00:16:16,108 --> 00:16:18,544
It's a fantastic character
he created and it's iconic
342
00:16:18,610 --> 00:16:20,346
and it's part
of American lore.
343
00:16:20,412 --> 00:16:21,580
Cinematic lore.
344
00:16:21,647 --> 00:16:24,950
He was crossing over a line,
they caught a wave
345
00:16:25,017 --> 00:16:30,422
at the time that kind of idea
of lawman as judge and jury.
346
00:16:30,489 --> 00:16:33,926
You have this
extraordinary persona
347
00:16:33,993 --> 00:16:38,097
that is also,
um...in these films
348
00:16:38,163 --> 00:16:43,135
going from, uh, the Leone
pictures to "Dirty Harry."
349
00:16:43,202 --> 00:16:45,571
Also has a range,
he's got a range.
350
00:16:45,637 --> 00:16:47,473
You'd wanna see
a Clint Eastwood picture.
351
00:16:47,539 --> 00:16:48,774
Didn't matter who directed.
352
00:16:48,841 --> 00:16:52,244
You'd go see that persona
you want to be in that presence.
353
00:16:52,311 --> 00:16:55,848
(Reni)
I remember Don Siegel
was sick and it was this day
354
00:16:55,914 --> 00:16:59,084
they were shooting the scene
where there's a jumper.
355
00:16:59,151 --> 00:17:01,153
Clint ended up
directing that sequence.
356
00:17:01,220 --> 00:17:04,556
(male #1)
The guy goes up on a,
one of those telescopic cranes
357
00:17:04,623 --> 00:17:07,226
to get the guy off
and he talks him down
358
00:17:07,292 --> 00:17:08,460
in rather an unorthodox way.
359
00:17:08,527 --> 00:17:10,929
'I'd like your name
and address. That's all.'
360
00:17:10,996 --> 00:17:12,431
Why?
361
00:17:12,498 --> 00:17:15,434
Like I said, it's such
a mess down there afterwards.
362
00:17:15,501 --> 00:17:16,735
Makes identification impossible.
363
00:17:16,802 --> 00:17:18,303
Even if they find
your license
364
00:17:18,370 --> 00:17:21,206
all that blood
and everything.
365
00:17:21,273 --> 00:17:22,708
I think..
366
00:17:24,209 --> 00:17:26,412
I think I'm gonna...puke.
367
00:17:26,478 --> 00:17:28,380
Oh, now don't
do that, son.
368
00:17:28,447 --> 00:17:30,682
I mean all those people
down there lookin' up.
369
00:17:30,749 --> 00:17:34,453
Fire chief lookin' up,
his face. Ha ha.
370
00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,355
You rotten bastard.
371
00:17:37,823 --> 00:17:40,459
(John)
He's still the guy that
when you're with him
372
00:17:40,526 --> 00:17:41,927
having lunch or whatever
373
00:17:41,994 --> 00:17:45,898
people will...in equal measures
say there's Clint Eastwood..
374
00:17:45,964 --> 00:17:47,566
...as, there's Dirty Harry.
375
00:17:47,633 --> 00:17:51,670
Clint was so popular
after that movie
376
00:17:51,737 --> 00:17:54,506
he probably could've
been elected president.
377
00:17:54,573 --> 00:17:58,610
To break through the molds
of Rowdy Yates from "Rawhide."
378
00:17:58,677 --> 00:18:02,181
And then all
the Sergio Leone pictures.
379
00:18:02,247 --> 00:18:04,450
And then his own,
you know, triumph
380
00:18:04,516 --> 00:18:07,119
as a western actor
and director
381
00:18:07,186 --> 00:18:09,721
with "Outlaw Josey Wales"
which is one of the most
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00:18:09,788 --> 00:18:13,258
brilliant westerns
ever made in my opinion.
383
00:18:13,325 --> 00:18:16,995
(John)
With Josey Wales,
Clint had completely escaped
384
00:18:17,062 --> 00:18:18,997
the shadow of Leone
in some ways.
385
00:18:21,233 --> 00:18:24,536
It's a story about a man
who lost his family.
386
00:18:24,603 --> 00:18:28,474
(male #2)
To me it was sort of ultimate
man wronged kinda thing.
387
00:18:29,141 --> 00:18:30,976
Help, Josey!
388
00:18:34,346 --> 00:18:36,448
The effects of war
on this particular
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00:18:36,515 --> 00:18:40,152
on everyone but this particular
individual and betrayal
390
00:18:40,219 --> 00:18:43,255
to the point where he wants
to become a total recluse.
391
00:18:43,322 --> 00:18:47,092
(John)
In Josey Wales he tends
to attract a group of
392
00:18:47,159 --> 00:18:49,161
ne'er-do-wells and misfits.
393
00:18:49,228 --> 00:18:52,931
That's a recurring theme
in some of Clint's movies.
394
00:18:52,998 --> 00:18:56,368
I was just wondering, I suppose
that mangy redbone hound's
395
00:18:56,435 --> 00:18:58,470
got no place else
to go either.
396
00:19:03,342 --> 00:19:06,411
Well, you might as well
ride along with us.
397
00:19:06,478 --> 00:19:09,281
Hell, everybody else is.
398
00:19:09,348 --> 00:19:12,351
(Morgan)
You listen to, uh,
a lot of Clint's movies
399
00:19:12,417 --> 00:19:14,920
there are things
that he's saying in there
400
00:19:14,987 --> 00:19:18,290
that are very pithy deep.
401
00:19:18,357 --> 00:19:20,459
It's quintessential Clint
402
00:19:20,526 --> 00:19:23,295
in terms of the character,
in terms of the story.
403
00:19:25,664 --> 00:19:28,500
Are going to pull
those pistols or whistle Dixie?
404
00:19:34,540 --> 00:19:37,643
I liked, uh, the saga
with the movement
405
00:19:37,709 --> 00:19:40,479
of it, the traveling of it.
406
00:19:40,546 --> 00:19:43,081
It was one of my favorite films
that I've done.
407
00:19:43,148 --> 00:19:46,685
It kind of breaks the trend "and
he rode off into the sunset."
408
00:19:46,752 --> 00:19:49,254
And I'm not sure,
you know, if there was some
409
00:19:49,321 --> 00:19:52,124
inherent message that the loner
ultimately has to join
410
00:19:52,191 --> 00:19:54,226
for the world to succeed.
411
00:19:54,293 --> 00:19:56,895
It's for other people
to judge the work.
412
00:19:56,962 --> 00:19:59,698
And it's other people
to judge where I come from.
413
00:19:59,765 --> 00:20:03,001
It's more fun that way.
414
00:20:03,068 --> 00:20:05,971
(Tim)
Despite the things that
everybody knows about him
415
00:20:06,038 --> 00:20:09,274
I think he's a pretty,
um, complicated guy.
416
00:20:09,341 --> 00:20:11,944
I like the way he operates
and I want to..
417
00:20:12,010 --> 00:20:13,812
...I want to be
like Clint.
418
00:20:13,879 --> 00:20:16,248
Imagine that dude
at a poker table
419
00:20:16,315 --> 00:20:20,219
and you know it's the, uh, it's
the guy you know is gonna..
420
00:20:20,285 --> 00:20:23,989
...that guy's gonna wind up
with all the money in my pocket
421
00:20:24,056 --> 00:20:26,858
I know it somehow
and he's not sayin' a word.
422
00:20:26,925 --> 00:20:31,096
I think Clint
is incapable of boredom.
423
00:20:31,163 --> 00:20:33,165
I don't think he's bored
about anything.
424
00:20:33,232 --> 00:20:36,068
Look what he's got. He's got
Dina, he's got his kids.
425
00:20:36,134 --> 00:20:39,171
He's got his lifestyle,
he's got his art.
426
00:20:39,238 --> 00:20:40,639
And he's got his music.
427
00:20:40,706 --> 00:20:44,243
And he loves musicians.
428
00:20:46,211 --> 00:20:47,512
(Bill)
And he loves singers.
429
00:20:47,579 --> 00:20:49,114
And he and I for years
430
00:20:49,181 --> 00:20:51,350
we've always sat around
talked about Billie Holiday
431
00:20:51,416 --> 00:20:54,019
and Ella Fitzgerald
and Sarah Vaughan
432
00:20:54,086 --> 00:20:55,187
I mean,
that's his thing.
433
00:20:55,254 --> 00:20:57,556
He was a piano player
for singers.
434
00:20:57,623 --> 00:20:59,291
He loves that.
435
00:20:59,358 --> 00:21:02,694
His love for jazz and
the way he expressed it
436
00:21:02,761 --> 00:21:04,463
in burden and the way jazz
437
00:21:04,529 --> 00:21:07,532
has become a kind of leitmotif
of a lot of his work.
438
00:21:07,599 --> 00:21:12,904
That is the greatest relaxer
I can imagine anybody having
439
00:21:12,971 --> 00:21:16,375
in their lives and music
is such a wonderful way of
440
00:21:16,441 --> 00:21:17,643
just I guess..
441
00:21:17,709 --> 00:21:19,111
...chilling.
442
00:21:22,514 --> 00:21:23,982
He'll collaborate
with an orchestrator
443
00:21:24,049 --> 00:21:25,951
and other composer
but the main themes
444
00:21:26,018 --> 00:21:27,452
Clint Eastwood writes himself.
445
00:21:27,519 --> 00:21:30,055
(Joel)
He wrote the theme
for "Unforgiven."
446
00:21:30,122 --> 00:21:33,558
In "Mystic River"
he wrote the whole score.
447
00:21:33,625 --> 00:21:36,728
He wrote the whole score
for, uh, "Million Dollar Baby."
448
00:21:36,795 --> 00:21:40,899
He wrote the whole score
for, uh, "Flags of Our Fathers."
449
00:21:40,966 --> 00:21:44,436
Writing music for the movie
is another way for him to say
450
00:21:44,503 --> 00:21:46,638
well, look,
this is a personal movie.
451
00:21:46,705 --> 00:21:48,907
Not only did I,
I didn't write the story
452
00:21:48,974 --> 00:21:51,643
but I interpreted
the story as a director
453
00:21:51,710 --> 00:21:53,779
and now I'm gonna interpret
the story musically.
454
00:21:53,845 --> 00:21:56,848
As you read his script,
as you start to see it realized
455
00:21:56,915 --> 00:21:59,184
the better directors
find the music in it.
456
00:21:59,251 --> 00:22:00,819
They don't know
the specific piece
457
00:22:00,886 --> 00:22:03,021
that they're gonna use
but I think they get
458
00:22:03,088 --> 00:22:09,428
a pretty good idea of the, um,
the mood or the, uh, the tone.
459
00:22:09,494 --> 00:22:13,131
(Kevin)
If you are a musician,
certainly
460
00:22:13,198 --> 00:22:15,667
and even if you have
a great appreciation for music
461
00:22:15,734 --> 00:22:19,304
it's sort of there
as you walk, as you talk
462
00:22:19,371 --> 00:22:21,573
as you think in your
moments of silence.
463
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,010
There's some kind of interlude
or some kind of score
464
00:22:25,077 --> 00:22:29,815
for your life that's kinda like,
you know, um, floating there
465
00:22:29,881 --> 00:22:31,616
in your subconscious
and I think that
466
00:22:31,683 --> 00:22:33,919
that is certainly
the case with him.
467
00:22:33,985 --> 00:22:35,721
So it should go
real fast.
468
00:22:35,787 --> 00:22:37,522
Shew-shew-shew!
469
00:22:37,589 --> 00:22:39,291
(Tim)
We read this often that
470
00:22:39,358 --> 00:22:42,127
he's gotten better
as a director
471
00:22:42,194 --> 00:22:44,696
uh, as he's gotten older.
472
00:22:44,763 --> 00:22:47,232
(Martin)
As his filmmaking
has evolved and matured
473
00:22:47,299 --> 00:22:50,535
his characters have matured
and become more complicated.
474
00:22:50,602 --> 00:22:53,538
"Mystic River"
comes to mind immediately.
475
00:22:53,605 --> 00:22:55,507
"Unforgiven" comes to mind
476
00:22:55,574 --> 00:22:59,745
in the same sort of mental
breath as-as "Mystic River."
477
00:22:59,811 --> 00:23:02,114
(male #3)
'Ready, 548 take one.'
478
00:23:03,648 --> 00:23:05,317
(Clint)
It was a interesting project
479
00:23:05,384 --> 00:23:08,387
I was looking for somebody
to rewrite a script.
480
00:23:08,453 --> 00:23:11,323
A girl I knew on the lot
here was a reader
481
00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:12,491
for Warner Brothers.
482
00:23:12,557 --> 00:23:15,360
She said if you want
a really good writer..
483
00:23:15,427 --> 00:23:19,297
...you ought to read this
story by, uh, David Peoples.
484
00:23:19,364 --> 00:23:21,767
The option was running out.
485
00:23:21,833 --> 00:23:24,236
I guess it was
the day it ran out
486
00:23:24,302 --> 00:23:26,304
that we got this call
from Clint Eastwood.
487
00:23:26,371 --> 00:23:28,540
I said, well, uh,
I'll take that.
488
00:23:29,574 --> 00:23:31,977
But this was 1985..
489
00:23:32,043 --> 00:23:34,980
...and, uh, he bought
the film outright.
490
00:23:35,046 --> 00:23:38,850
But I didn't wanna do a western
at that time I had done a few.
491
00:23:38,917 --> 00:23:43,288
And I felt that I'd like to, uh,
maybe sit on it for a while.
492
00:23:43,355 --> 00:23:46,425
Maybe it'd be better to play
this character when I was older.
493
00:23:46,491 --> 00:23:48,927
All of a sudden I see
he's making this western
494
00:23:48,994 --> 00:23:51,029
called "Pale Rider"
and I was very disappointed
495
00:23:51,096 --> 00:23:52,564
that he was making
something different.
496
00:23:52,631 --> 00:23:55,934
I put it in a drawer
and went through the whole 80's
497
00:23:56,001 --> 00:23:57,869
without even thinking about it.
498
00:23:57,936 --> 00:24:01,273
I think I had talked to him
once or somethin' about
499
00:24:01,339 --> 00:24:02,607
a rewrite on the telephone
500
00:24:02,674 --> 00:24:04,876
and he said
he was gonna get to it.
501
00:24:04,943 --> 00:24:08,580
1991, I took it
out of the drawer
502
00:24:08,647 --> 00:24:11,983
and said and I reread it
and fell in love with it
503
00:24:12,050 --> 00:24:15,754
all over again. And said
"This is the time to do this."
504
00:24:15,821 --> 00:24:18,623
He did want a couple
of scenes rewritten.
505
00:24:18,690 --> 00:24:21,693
And, uh, I wasn't crazy
about the ideas
506
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,596
but I was a little intimidated
about the idea of..
507
00:24:24,663 --> 00:24:28,133
I could get pretty feisty but I
wasn't gonna be feisty with him.
508
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,335
I started rewriting things
and I found out
509
00:24:30,402 --> 00:24:32,971
the more I screwed with it..
510
00:24:33,038 --> 00:24:34,506
...the worse it was getting.
511
00:24:34,573 --> 00:24:36,842
I said, I'm doing
what Siegel used to call
512
00:24:36,908 --> 00:24:38,543
killing it with improvements.
513
00:24:38,610 --> 00:24:42,747
And, uh, this is just
really good, I don't know why
514
00:24:42,814 --> 00:24:44,282
I'm fiddling around with this.
515
00:24:44,349 --> 00:24:46,585
When he showed me
this cut of the movie
516
00:24:46,651 --> 00:24:49,221
I said, uh, "Rewrites
aren't there."
517
00:24:49,287 --> 00:24:51,823
And he said, "Nah, it was
better the first time."
518
00:24:51,890 --> 00:24:54,926
And that...I tremendously
appreciated
519
00:24:54,993 --> 00:24:57,863
because one of the things
in this business is..
520
00:24:57,929 --> 00:25:00,866
...things just get worse and
worse as you keep rewriting 'em
521
00:25:00,932 --> 00:25:03,001
and nobody can ever stop, right?
522
00:25:03,068 --> 00:25:05,337
And he has that
wonderful restraint.
523
00:25:10,909 --> 00:25:13,044
I think "Unforgiven"
is one of my favorites.
524
00:25:13,111 --> 00:25:16,615
"Unforgiven" that's the
first Clint Eastwood movie
525
00:25:16,681 --> 00:25:17,849
I'd ever seen.
526
00:25:17,916 --> 00:25:21,186
"Unforgiven" is a really
classic movie.
527
00:25:21,253 --> 00:25:23,622
And I think that,
um, it's interesting
528
00:25:23,688 --> 00:25:26,458
but I think great westerns
depend on their literacy.
529
00:25:26,525 --> 00:25:28,193
Not on their gunfight.
530
00:25:28,260 --> 00:25:33,298
A compassionate heart and
a sensibility that was not
531
00:25:33,365 --> 00:25:37,235
what you would imagine
as knee-jerk masculinity.
532
00:25:37,302 --> 00:25:38,870
An eye for an eye.
533
00:25:40,405 --> 00:25:42,574
Make my day.
534
00:25:42,641 --> 00:25:44,976
(Joel)
He saw a different way
of doing films
535
00:25:45,043 --> 00:25:47,679
and wanted to do more
serious films.
536
00:25:47,746 --> 00:25:49,481
Because he'd done
all the other films.
537
00:25:49,548 --> 00:25:51,983
As you get older,
he says, there comes a time
538
00:25:52,050 --> 00:25:55,153
in a man's life when he can't
just beat up every person.
539
00:25:55,220 --> 00:25:56,855
Age-wise where
it's believable..
540
00:25:56,922 --> 00:26:00,025
...to, uh, the public.
541
00:26:00,091 --> 00:26:02,594
(Clint)
As you mature in life
and other areas
542
00:26:02,661 --> 00:26:03,762
you mature in your work.
543
00:26:03,828 --> 00:26:05,797
You should be learning
and getting better.
544
00:26:05,864 --> 00:26:11,369
If you start getting worse
then you should maybe join AARP.
545
00:26:13,238 --> 00:26:17,876
(Joel)
"Unforgiven" was a changing
film for Clint's career
546
00:26:17,943 --> 00:26:20,879
for a lot of our careers that
worked for him
547
00:26:20,946 --> 00:26:24,249
because the film got
seven nominations.
548
00:26:24,316 --> 00:26:28,119
Got four Academy Awards
and really the critics
549
00:26:28,186 --> 00:26:31,122
and the world looked at him
doing films differently.
550
00:26:31,189 --> 00:26:34,292
No, that's not "Dirty Harry"
wait, okay, it's alright.
551
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,528
Good, people grow.
552
00:26:36,595 --> 00:26:38,129
(Tim)
They continue to evolve.
553
00:26:38,196 --> 00:26:40,799
(Joel)
But the other films
were more genre films
554
00:26:40,865 --> 00:26:44,436
and we just went out in the
days, in 42 days and shot them.
555
00:26:44,502 --> 00:26:47,005
He took more time
with us because I think he..
556
00:26:47,072 --> 00:26:49,774
...he felt this
might be the, the western
557
00:26:49,841 --> 00:26:51,876
that might be his career.
558
00:26:51,943 --> 00:26:56,314
(Morgan)
I got the job
because he asked me to do it.
559
00:26:56,381 --> 00:26:59,517
He owns me
from that moment on.
560
00:26:59,584 --> 00:27:03,088
I got to Alberta
and we met and we shook hands.
561
00:27:03,154 --> 00:27:05,290
It was like
I was meeting an old friend.
562
00:27:05,357 --> 00:27:07,559
And when we started
working together well it's..
563
00:27:07,626 --> 00:27:10,295
...was like putting on
an old pair of shoes.
564
00:27:10,362 --> 00:27:14,399
I didn't like the idea of having
to play a, a tough cop again
565
00:27:14,466 --> 00:27:20,138
you know, and, um, kind of
a badass kind of a guy.
566
00:27:20,205 --> 00:27:23,875
You've been talking about
the queen again.
567
00:27:23,942 --> 00:27:25,844
On independance day.
568
00:27:27,712 --> 00:27:30,515
Clint talked to him about it
and said his idea was
569
00:27:30,582 --> 00:27:33,351
what he was gonna do
with that script was be more
570
00:27:33,418 --> 00:27:35,220
character driven
and Gene Hackman, uh..
571
00:27:35,286 --> 00:27:36,988
...agreed to do it.
572
00:27:37,055 --> 00:27:40,225
(Gene)
I believed in him enough
finally that I thought maybe
573
00:27:40,291 --> 00:27:45,196
he would find, and help me
find something to make it
574
00:27:45,263 --> 00:27:46,765
make the role interesting.
575
00:27:46,831 --> 00:27:49,834
And, uh, for Gene Hackman
it was a great move
576
00:27:49,901 --> 00:27:52,904
because he ended up getting
an academy award for it.
577
00:27:54,639 --> 00:27:57,742
You'd be weaning money
out of Missouri..
578
00:27:57,809 --> 00:28:00,345
...killed women and children.
579
00:28:00,412 --> 00:28:01,713
That's right.
580
00:28:03,782 --> 00:28:05,684
I've killed women
and children.
581
00:28:07,152 --> 00:28:09,387
Killed just about everything
that walks and crawls
582
00:28:09,454 --> 00:28:11,022
at one time or another.
583
00:28:12,257 --> 00:28:14,859
And I'm here to kill you,
Little Bill.
584
00:28:15,994 --> 00:28:17,495
For what you did to Ned.
585
00:28:17,562 --> 00:28:19,030
(Martin)
He's not afraid there to
586
00:28:19,097 --> 00:28:21,499
take on a really
hard character.
587
00:28:22,801 --> 00:28:25,870
And, say, "Yes, that's me.
That's who I am."
588
00:28:25,937 --> 00:28:28,206
You killed those women
and children. "That's right."
589
00:28:30,075 --> 00:28:32,010
"Now I'm gonna have
to take you down."
590
00:28:32,077 --> 00:28:35,413
To take the, you know, the
western in a different direction
591
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,482
making the hero
a bad person.
592
00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:38,483
But he knows he's gotta..
593
00:28:38,550 --> 00:28:41,052
He doesn't want to do it
because his wife
594
00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:42,620
used to really get upset..
595
00:28:42,687 --> 00:28:45,023
...about that, and he really
feels bad about it
596
00:28:45,090 --> 00:28:46,758
but he's gotta do it.
597
00:28:52,697 --> 00:28:55,266
Misfire. Kill the
son of a bitch.
598
00:29:03,508 --> 00:29:06,177
(Martin)
Coming out of the tradition
of the American western
599
00:29:06,244 --> 00:29:08,980
which reflected America in
the first half of the century.
600
00:29:09,047 --> 00:29:10,949
He seems to be tackling
601
00:29:11,015 --> 00:29:13,451
what is ultimately
the truth about it..
602
00:29:13,518 --> 00:29:14,719
...in "Unforgiven."
603
00:29:15,487 --> 00:29:17,789
There's a ruthlessness..
604
00:29:17,856 --> 00:29:18,923
...you know?
605
00:29:18,990 --> 00:29:21,326
There's
a ruthlessness involved.
606
00:29:21,392 --> 00:29:26,297
The individuality
in order to, um, survive.
607
00:29:26,364 --> 00:29:30,401
(Gene)
I came on the set one day
and he said I got a problem.
608
00:29:30,468 --> 00:29:33,071
Yeah, if you hit
this thing..
609
00:29:33,138 --> 00:29:35,874
For whatever reason
the scene that was scheduled
610
00:29:35,940 --> 00:29:37,275
uh, we couldn't do it.
611
00:29:37,342 --> 00:29:40,178
The actor didn't show up or
something. I can't remember
612
00:29:40,245 --> 00:29:41,780
quite what it was.
613
00:29:41,846 --> 00:29:45,550
So he says, can you go
to scene 35, you know blah blah.
614
00:29:45,617 --> 00:29:48,386
And I said, I don't know
I haven't looked at it.
615
00:29:48,453 --> 00:29:50,722
So it was a couple
of pages of dialogue.
616
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:53,057
And I said, well,
I'll try it, you know..
617
00:29:53,124 --> 00:29:55,026
...and he was
so good about that
618
00:29:55,093 --> 00:29:57,896
because he had to do
that scene that day.
619
00:29:57,962 --> 00:30:02,167
And he was so thoughtful
and so understanding
620
00:30:02,233 --> 00:30:06,404
of what an actor goes through
when you're searching for lines
621
00:30:06,471 --> 00:30:09,340
and you do something
unexpected like that.
622
00:30:09,407 --> 00:30:12,710
I really, uh, I really
loved him for that.
623
00:30:12,777 --> 00:30:15,914
(Joel Cox)
I know that when we finished
"Unforgiven" we walked back
624
00:30:15,980 --> 00:30:18,716
to our office and he sat
on the couch across me
625
00:30:18,783 --> 00:30:21,786
and he says "I hope we have
an audience for this film."
626
00:30:21,853 --> 00:30:24,489
Because I was so emotionally
involved in it and everything
627
00:30:24,556 --> 00:30:26,157
I thought it was fantastic.
628
00:30:26,224 --> 00:30:29,294
But somehow I didn't think
anybody else was gonna get it.
629
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,296
And I was stunned
at what he'd done.
630
00:30:31,362 --> 00:30:34,732
It was exactly what I'd written
and I was overwhelmed.
631
00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:36,734
But again I thought..
632
00:30:36,801 --> 00:30:39,304
...poor Clint Eastwood,
he made this movie.
633
00:30:39,370 --> 00:30:41,840
Only the writer's
gonna be the one who likes it.
634
00:30:41,906 --> 00:30:46,678
I-I think "Unforgiven"
will stand for a long time.
635
00:30:46,744 --> 00:30:50,481
As...the last great western.
636
00:30:50,548 --> 00:30:54,152
It was a long time
before he made the movie.
637
00:30:54,219 --> 00:30:56,054
But it was worth the wait.
638
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,690
It was just kind of
one of those things
639
00:30:58,756 --> 00:31:01,926
where it's destiny
was to be in the 90's.
640
00:31:02,794 --> 00:31:04,729
As a filmmaker..
641
00:31:04,796 --> 00:31:07,966
...he's like
"High Plains Drifter."
642
00:31:08,032 --> 00:31:09,133
He's just drifting.
643
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,837
He just goes
from experience to experience.
644
00:31:12,904 --> 00:31:16,908
(Steven Spielberg)
He's not intellectual
about "I gotta make a story
645
00:31:16,975 --> 00:31:19,010
in this genre, in this style."
646
00:31:19,077 --> 00:31:21,112
He waits for something
to wash over him.
647
00:31:21,179 --> 00:31:23,448
He waits for a book,
a script, an idea.
648
00:31:23,514 --> 00:31:26,684
(Tim Robbins)
I guess that's the special
thing, that's the good thing.
649
00:31:26,751 --> 00:31:29,087
That's the thing that should
be lauded, you know.
650
00:31:29,153 --> 00:31:32,223
In a town that wants
conformity, you know
651
00:31:32,290 --> 00:31:35,827
a town that wants
the same product we packaged
652
00:31:35,894 --> 00:31:38,663
that Clint has chosen the path
he's chosen.
653
00:31:38,730 --> 00:31:41,032
- That's good.
- Let me see that close-up.
654
00:31:41,099 --> 00:31:44,535
(Kevin Bacon)
I think that his films to me..
655
00:31:44,602 --> 00:31:46,571
purely as a viewer,
not as an actor
656
00:31:46,638 --> 00:31:49,807
that's worked with him,
but just as a movie consumer
657
00:31:49,874 --> 00:31:53,578
have a unexpected level
658
00:31:53,645 --> 00:31:57,282
of depth and complexity
659
00:31:57,348 --> 00:32:02,520
that somehow he's able to tap
into again and again and again.
660
00:32:02,587 --> 00:32:06,257
Basically, you have to trust
your own feelings
661
00:32:06,324 --> 00:32:08,459
your own instincts
and your own taste
662
00:32:08,526 --> 00:32:10,328
in judging material.
663
00:32:10,395 --> 00:32:13,665
Because, uh, that's all
you have to go by.
664
00:32:13,731 --> 00:32:17,535
If you try to start
pre-thinking
665
00:32:17,602 --> 00:32:19,470
what other people
are thinking, you're not..
666
00:32:19,537 --> 00:32:21,906
You're gonna get yourself
in a real confused state.
667
00:32:21,973 --> 00:32:23,675
He's been a Mayor
for Pete's sakes.
668
00:32:23,741 --> 00:32:26,010
He was an actor,
he did the spaghetti westerns.
669
00:32:26,077 --> 00:32:27,979
He did the "Rawhide."
He does TV.
670
00:32:28,046 --> 00:32:30,081
His family just
did a reality show.
671
00:32:30,148 --> 00:32:32,216
He directs all kinds
of different film.
672
00:32:32,283 --> 00:32:35,486
He doesn't seem
to say, "No."
673
00:32:35,553 --> 00:32:37,488
He seems to say "Why not?"
674
00:32:37,555 --> 00:32:39,257
Take.
675
00:32:39,324 --> 00:32:40,558
(Steven Spielberg)
I'd bought the book
676
00:32:40,625 --> 00:32:43,161
which was a very popular
book at the time.
677
00:32:43,227 --> 00:32:45,730
It was on the best-seller list
for years I think.
678
00:32:45,797 --> 00:32:48,366
We were looking for a director
to tell the story.
679
00:32:48,433 --> 00:32:51,235
And my first choice was Clint.
680
00:32:51,302 --> 00:32:53,271
So, uh, yeah,
just, just go ahead.
681
00:32:53,338 --> 00:32:55,106
(Steven Spielberg)
There was no real precedent
682
00:32:55,173 --> 00:32:57,775
to make it an easy choice
for me to say
683
00:32:57,842 --> 00:32:59,577
"Oh, Clint made
a movie like this
684
00:32:59,644 --> 00:33:01,546
or perhaps he'd like
to make this one."
685
00:33:01,612 --> 00:33:03,648
Since there are so many
connections or similarities.
686
00:33:03,715 --> 00:33:05,783
I don't think
this was similar to anything
687
00:33:05,850 --> 00:33:08,619
he'd ever done before.
That's the reason I went to him.
688
00:33:08,686 --> 00:33:11,422
And I was also hoping
he'd agree to play Kincaid
689
00:33:11,489 --> 00:33:13,157
the main character.
690
00:33:13,224 --> 00:33:15,226
Well, it was Clint's idea
to cast Meryl.
691
00:33:15,293 --> 00:33:17,962
When we sat around
in our first couple of meetings
692
00:33:18,029 --> 00:33:20,665
to decide who we were gonna get.
693
00:33:20,732 --> 00:33:22,166
Clint only had one choice.
694
00:33:22,233 --> 00:33:25,436
He said, "I'd like to see
what Meryl thinks of this."
695
00:33:25,503 --> 00:33:29,073
(Meryl Streep)
I didn't know anything about it
except the books.
696
00:33:29,140 --> 00:33:32,677
You know, "Romeo and Juliet" was
taken from an earlier source.
697
00:33:32,744 --> 00:33:34,579
That play nobody remembers.
698
00:33:34,645 --> 00:33:38,282
But it's what Shakespeare did
with the same plot, same story
699
00:33:38,349 --> 00:33:40,585
but it's just
how you tell the story.
700
00:33:41,819 --> 00:33:45,456
I was just picking
you some flowers.
701
00:33:45,523 --> 00:33:46,557
Oh.
702
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,995
Men still do that, don't they?
703
00:33:51,062 --> 00:33:52,730
Am not out of date, am I?
704
00:33:52,797 --> 00:33:55,500
Picking flowers for a women,
a sign of appreciation?
705
00:33:55,566 --> 00:33:56,701
No, not at all.
706
00:33:56,768 --> 00:33:59,037
Except, those are poisonous.
707
00:34:01,072 --> 00:34:06,344
I think he saw an opportunity
for himself to reveal something
708
00:34:06,411 --> 00:34:10,782
that was another dimension
to his fans that already bought
709
00:34:10,848 --> 00:34:13,117
a certain character from him.
710
00:34:13,184 --> 00:34:15,820
I think he has
very highly evolved
711
00:34:15,887 --> 00:34:17,455
both sides of his character.
712
00:34:17,522 --> 00:34:18,723
He has a..
713
00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:23,861
I don't know if anybody else
would agree with me.
714
00:34:23,928 --> 00:34:25,663
But he has a..
715
00:34:25,730 --> 00:34:29,434
...female sensibility
in many ways.
716
00:34:31,002 --> 00:34:33,871
I don't want to need you.
717
00:34:33,938 --> 00:34:35,740
What?
718
00:34:35,807 --> 00:34:37,942
Because I can't have you.
719
00:34:38,009 --> 00:34:41,813
I really didn't realize...
720
00:34:41,879 --> 00:34:45,283
...how vulnerable he had let
himself be in that role.
721
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:49,120
And that's not something you
just unpack from your kit bag.
722
00:34:49,187 --> 00:34:51,589
That has to reside
somewhere in you.
723
00:34:51,656 --> 00:34:57,261
And yet he has this image
of this sort of uber man.
724
00:34:57,328 --> 00:34:59,063
- Gotcha!
- Oh!
725
00:34:59,130 --> 00:35:01,532
I think he's a harsh
judge of himself.
726
00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:03,234
He-he sure was.
727
00:35:03,301 --> 00:35:08,172
And a little bit of it
was...bullshit, you know.
728
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,577
Little bit of it was just trying
to make everybody feel at ease.
729
00:35:12,643 --> 00:35:14,645
After each take..
730
00:35:14,712 --> 00:35:17,648
...of his own, he'd say,
"Well, that was adequate."
731
00:35:17,715 --> 00:35:19,917
You know, ha ha ha.
732
00:35:19,984 --> 00:35:22,987
There was a scene in the
kitchen, a big fight scene.
733
00:35:23,054 --> 00:35:26,023
He was at the counter
and he turned away from me.
734
00:35:26,090 --> 00:35:29,093
And I could see
he was really upset.
735
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,896
The scene never made it
into the film.
736
00:35:31,963 --> 00:35:33,831
And I said..
737
00:35:33,898 --> 00:35:35,867
"Why would you..
738
00:35:35,933 --> 00:35:38,569
"Why would you turn away
the envelope?
739
00:35:38,636 --> 00:35:41,672
"We know they would
come your way
740
00:35:41,739 --> 00:35:45,710
if you put this obvious
beautifully played scene."
741
00:35:45,776 --> 00:35:50,148
And, uh, he assessed it
as "Not right."
742
00:35:51,782 --> 00:35:56,387
The director assessed it
as "Not right" for the film.
743
00:35:56,454 --> 00:36:02,927
Where the actor might've
wanted all the...accolades.
744
00:36:02,994 --> 00:36:04,595
And roll it!
745
00:36:04,662 --> 00:36:06,097
(male #4)
'Call it in.'
746
00:36:06,164 --> 00:36:10,001
For a man, especially a man
who walks in our business
747
00:36:10,067 --> 00:36:12,570
with the persona that he owns
748
00:36:12,637 --> 00:36:15,473
to rip open his chest that way.
749
00:36:15,540 --> 00:36:17,909
But he felt, for the film..
750
00:36:17,975 --> 00:36:20,044
...it was best
that it not be there.
751
00:36:20,111 --> 00:36:24,949
That's, that's a really seer
kind of intelligence
752
00:36:25,016 --> 00:36:28,886
and a willingness to be..
753
00:36:28,953 --> 00:36:30,454
...cold about your own work.
754
00:36:30,521 --> 00:36:32,190
Well, ego..
755
00:36:32,256 --> 00:36:33,758
Well, it kills all of us.
756
00:36:33,824 --> 00:36:37,061
Certainly in terms of
creativity.
757
00:36:37,128 --> 00:36:39,297
Because you have
to let things go.
758
00:36:39,363 --> 00:36:41,399
Sometimes
in letting something go
759
00:36:41,465 --> 00:36:46,204
you find something really
lovely, brilliant and creative.
760
00:36:46,270 --> 00:36:50,041
And it may not be
something really big
761
00:36:50,107 --> 00:36:53,811
but...something will replace it.
762
00:36:53,878 --> 00:36:57,782
And he doesn't wanna miss
that fresh moment
763
00:36:57,848 --> 00:37:03,888
of anguish, humor, mistake
that turns out to be fantastic.
764
00:37:03,955 --> 00:37:05,323
The stumble you might do
765
00:37:05,389 --> 00:37:07,258
that says everything
about your character.
766
00:37:07,325 --> 00:37:08,693
He loves that stuff!
767
00:37:08,759 --> 00:37:10,728
Once in a while you get a surge.
768
00:37:10,795 --> 00:37:14,098
You get a little surge
of two or three scripts in a row
769
00:37:14,165 --> 00:37:16,601
and you think you'd like to do
all of them.
770
00:37:16,667 --> 00:37:20,404
In the early 2000's, I...as fast
as I'd finish one picture
771
00:37:20,471 --> 00:37:23,341
I'd, uh, somebody'd give me
another script that I like.
772
00:37:23,407 --> 00:37:25,676
So, sometimes I'd be preparing
one I liked
773
00:37:25,743 --> 00:37:27,645
and I was editing
one I also liked.
774
00:37:27,712 --> 00:37:30,748
I kinda went through that when
I was doing "Mystic River"
775
00:37:30,815 --> 00:37:32,717
we were working
in the editorial room
776
00:37:32,783 --> 00:37:35,186
at the same time I'm reading
"Million Dollar Baby"
777
00:37:35,253 --> 00:37:36,854
and I liked that, so..
778
00:37:36,921 --> 00:37:39,156
Yeah, I'll do that,
I'll do that next, so..
779
00:37:39,223 --> 00:37:41,158
I'm preparing one
as I'm starting another
780
00:37:41,225 --> 00:37:43,160
and I went through
a little period like that.
781
00:37:43,227 --> 00:37:47,231
(Marcia Gay Harden)
The first reason to want
to do "Mystic River" for me
782
00:37:47,298 --> 00:37:50,468
was Clint. I love the idea
of directors who have
783
00:37:50,534 --> 00:37:52,370
a kind of continuity
with their actors.
784
00:37:52,436 --> 00:37:55,606
(Kevin Bacon)
You know, one thing that was
really, really different
785
00:37:55,673 --> 00:37:57,808
was that he expected
all of the performers
786
00:37:57,875 --> 00:38:00,745
to have done our homework
787
00:38:00,811 --> 00:38:04,181
and to come to work
ready to go.
788
00:38:04,248 --> 00:38:06,083
You're not gonna have rehearsal
789
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:07,818
and you're not gonna
maybe go through
790
00:38:07,885 --> 00:38:12,890
the same sort of process
that you've now come to expect.
791
00:38:12,957 --> 00:38:15,760
You know, "I'm gonna have
endless conversations
792
00:38:15,826 --> 00:38:17,928
"with the director
or the writer
793
00:38:17,995 --> 00:38:22,366
about my character
and you know, with Clint..
794
00:38:22,433 --> 00:38:24,001
...you know,
I had one conversation.
795
00:38:24,068 --> 00:38:26,637
He once came up
to me and Lawrence
796
00:38:26,704 --> 00:38:29,807
and said "That's good,
you guys. Little faster."
797
00:38:31,242 --> 00:38:34,045
And, I was like "Wow,
I think that's the first piece
798
00:38:34,111 --> 00:38:37,882
of direction I got."
And that could've been the last.
799
00:38:37,948 --> 00:38:39,283
Little faster.
800
00:38:39,350 --> 00:38:41,952
If you look at "Mystic River"
it's even more impressive
801
00:38:42,019 --> 00:38:45,389
because almost everything
you see in that is first take.
802
00:38:45,456 --> 00:38:47,058
Well, let's call it creativity
803
00:38:47,124 --> 00:38:49,727
because that's,
I think, that's what it is.
804
00:38:49,794 --> 00:38:52,229
That's his form of creativity
805
00:38:52,296 --> 00:38:54,799
that he understands
that many times
806
00:38:54,865 --> 00:38:57,134
on a first take
you'll get something fresh
807
00:38:57,201 --> 00:39:00,638
that you wouldn't get
on Take 8 or 9 or whatever.
808
00:39:00,705 --> 00:39:05,743
There's real respect for
imagination and the hard work.
809
00:39:05,810 --> 00:39:09,080
But there's no
"Let's just go again.
810
00:39:09,146 --> 00:39:11,916
Twelve more times,
just to see what happens."
811
00:39:11,982 --> 00:39:13,918
For a certain kinds of actors
812
00:39:13,984 --> 00:39:17,688
that's the best kind
of vote of confidence.
813
00:39:17,755 --> 00:39:19,423
And so all of us..
814
00:39:19,490 --> 00:39:21,392
...me and Sean and Kevin
815
00:39:21,459 --> 00:39:26,997
and Lawrence and Marcia Gay
and Laura, we were scared.
816
00:39:27,064 --> 00:39:28,766
We didn't wanna be out there
817
00:39:28,833 --> 00:39:31,936
with that one take
that sucked, you know.
818
00:39:32,002 --> 00:39:35,206
So...we all practiced.
819
00:39:35,272 --> 00:39:36,841
When he wants one more take
820
00:39:36,907 --> 00:39:39,643
it's gonna cause
tremendous panic in the room.
821
00:39:39,710 --> 00:39:42,780
There's five actors in the room
and he wants one more take.
822
00:39:42,847 --> 00:39:44,582
They're all probably looking
at each other..
823
00:39:44,648 --> 00:39:47,685
"What did I do?
Why does he want one more take?
824
00:39:47,752 --> 00:39:49,353
He always walks away after two."
825
00:39:49,420 --> 00:39:51,288
If Clint wants one more take
826
00:39:51,355 --> 00:39:53,557
that third take
everybody's gonna be their best
827
00:39:53,624 --> 00:39:56,627
they've ever been in their
careers...to please him.
828
00:39:56,694 --> 00:39:58,496
I'm not going anywhere!
829
00:39:58,562 --> 00:40:01,332
(Jimmy Markum)
'Is that my daughter in there?'
830
00:40:01,399 --> 00:40:03,701
(Martin Scorsese)
"Mystic River"
is a very sad film.
831
00:40:03,768 --> 00:40:06,804
A dark world in which
vengeance has to be taken.
832
00:40:06,871 --> 00:40:09,140
It's like the tragedy
of the everyday.
833
00:40:09,206 --> 00:40:11,742
People's lives, the ones
that are on the periphery..
834
00:40:11,809 --> 00:40:14,879
...the ones
we don't hear about.
835
00:40:14,945 --> 00:40:16,447
Get in.
836
00:40:19,450 --> 00:40:21,786
'Get inside.'
837
00:40:21,852 --> 00:40:25,322
(Tim Robbins)
I grew up in a tough
neighborhood in New York City
838
00:40:25,389 --> 00:40:29,160
and that kinda situation
they went through..
839
00:40:29,226 --> 00:40:31,695
...was omnipresent pretty much.
840
00:40:31,762 --> 00:40:35,433
I had friends that
had been molested as kids.
841
00:40:35,499 --> 00:40:38,569
And you see the decay
that happens from the start.
842
00:40:38,636 --> 00:40:40,504
That ultimately
is a most horrific crime
843
00:40:40,571 --> 00:40:44,375
because it's a crime that
visits itself upon the victim
844
00:40:44,442 --> 00:40:47,111
over a course
of his entire life.
845
00:40:47,178 --> 00:40:49,647
In the case of "Mystic River"..
846
00:40:49,713 --> 00:40:51,449
...that does,
that's a transgression..
847
00:40:51,515 --> 00:40:54,985
that's...incomprehensible.
848
00:40:55,052 --> 00:41:00,157
(Marcia Gay Harden)
He lets you find
what you wanna do.
849
00:41:00,224 --> 00:41:02,193
You think you're doing it
on your own..
850
00:41:02,259 --> 00:41:06,497
...but it's within a very clear
structure that he already has.
851
00:41:06,564 --> 00:41:09,333
(Kevin Bacon)
One of the basic things
that's great about him
852
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,670
is there's a lot of stuff we've
gotten used to kind of doing.
853
00:41:12,736 --> 00:41:15,706
Over the years, that are
the ways that we think movies
854
00:41:15,773 --> 00:41:17,408
have to be made
855
00:41:17,475 --> 00:41:21,445
and he has sort of cut away
a bunch of the crap.
856
00:41:21,512 --> 00:41:25,916
(Meryl Streep)
One on the secrets of his being
a really good director..
857
00:41:25,983 --> 00:41:29,353
...is married to this..
858
00:41:29,420 --> 00:41:31,355
...seeming..
859
00:41:31,422 --> 00:41:32,756
...no pressure..
860
00:41:32,823 --> 00:41:35,793
...casual, easy-going..
861
00:41:35,860 --> 00:41:37,661
...is a deep prep.
862
00:41:37,728 --> 00:41:39,497
He has imagined the scene.
863
00:41:39,563 --> 00:41:45,836
He has scored it. He has lit it
in his mind and..
864
00:41:45,903 --> 00:41:48,906
..all he doesn't know
is what's gonna happen in it.
865
00:41:48,973 --> 00:41:53,010
(Tim Robbins)
Efficiency is really something
we should all aim for.
866
00:41:53,077 --> 00:41:54,945
Unfortunately
we all have in our minds
867
00:41:55,012 --> 00:41:58,449
that unless you suffer
some kind of consequence
868
00:41:58,516 --> 00:42:02,119
it's not ours, you know.
869
00:42:02,186 --> 00:42:04,755
I think Clint
has proven that wrong.
870
00:42:04,822 --> 00:42:07,091
One thing I'll never forget is..
871
00:42:07,157 --> 00:42:08,392
We were shooting a scene
872
00:42:08,459 --> 00:42:11,328
and Tom Stern is just
a great camera man.
873
00:42:11,395 --> 00:42:13,531
He worked with
Clint for a long time
874
00:42:13,597 --> 00:42:16,100
and there was very little
lighting in the scene.
875
00:42:16,166 --> 00:42:18,903
It was a practical lamp
sitting on a table.
876
00:42:18,969 --> 00:42:21,572
And I think there
was maybe one other light.
877
00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:23,407
And we walked in.
878
00:42:23,474 --> 00:42:27,945
Clint took a look at the scene
we were about to play..
879
00:42:28,012 --> 00:42:31,448
...and he just went over
and said..
880
00:42:31,515 --> 00:42:34,118
Just turned off
one of Tom's lamps.
881
00:42:35,219 --> 00:42:37,388
Just one of his,
not practical lamp
882
00:42:37,454 --> 00:42:39,490
like the big lamps
and said "Okay, roll."
883
00:42:39,557 --> 00:42:43,260
And I saw Tom,
he's like, you know.
884
00:42:43,327 --> 00:42:44,762
And it just, it killed me
885
00:42:44,828 --> 00:42:47,998
because I thought,
you know, for his eye..
886
00:42:48,065 --> 00:42:53,370
he knows what he needs in terms
of light in this scene.
887
00:42:53,437 --> 00:42:54,972
I mostly thought to myself..
888
00:42:55,039 --> 00:42:57,875
...to be a cameraman
and work with him
889
00:42:57,942 --> 00:43:03,380
you've got to say
"Okay, that's what he wants."
890
00:43:03,447 --> 00:43:07,117
At the end of the movie
you got this kind of moment
891
00:43:07,184 --> 00:43:09,553
where, Sean Penn's character
looks at me
892
00:43:09,620 --> 00:43:11,322
and he's kind of across
the street
893
00:43:11,388 --> 00:43:14,158
and there's a parade.
I said, "What is this?
894
00:43:14,224 --> 00:43:16,126
What's goin' on here?
What this about?"
895
00:43:16,193 --> 00:43:20,764
He wouldn't tell me, you know.
He wouldn't tell me.
896
00:43:20,831 --> 00:43:23,634
So...which is fine.
897
00:43:23,701 --> 00:43:27,438
Because then I go, "Okay,
if you're not gonna tell me
898
00:43:27,504 --> 00:43:30,441
then I'll just have
to make somethin' up."
899
00:43:30,507 --> 00:43:33,010
When I asked him,
he said that's gonna be..
900
00:43:33,077 --> 00:43:36,013
...up to the audience to decide.
901
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:40,651
When people have asked me, I've
sort of respected that wish.
902
00:43:40,718 --> 00:43:43,020
And said, "I guess
I'll keep that to myself."
903
00:43:43,087 --> 00:43:46,123
It's not too, not too often
that you are able to take
904
00:43:46,190 --> 00:43:48,859
something like that,
and you just kind of hold it.
905
00:43:48,926 --> 00:43:51,362
You know, so I'm taking
that to my grave.
906
00:43:51,428 --> 00:43:53,864
When we got to the end
of "Mystic River"
907
00:43:53,931 --> 00:43:56,133
it was supposed to be
a 9-week shoot
908
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,403
and it only took seven weeks,
and I was really disappointed
909
00:43:59,470 --> 00:44:00,838
that the movie was done.
910
00:44:00,904 --> 00:44:02,806
I was like, I was really..
911
00:44:02,873 --> 00:44:04,775
"Why can't we do
those extra two weeks?"
912
00:44:04,842 --> 00:44:07,344
Because it was so great,
and such a great experience
913
00:44:07,411 --> 00:44:09,980
and such a, you know,
kinda reinvention..
914
00:44:10,047 --> 00:44:14,084
for me about the way
you could make a film.
915
00:44:14,151 --> 00:44:15,886
(Brian Grazer)
The movie with Angelina Jolie.
916
00:44:15,953 --> 00:44:18,288
That was the first time
I worked with him.
917
00:44:18,355 --> 00:44:20,190
First I was scared to call him.
918
00:44:20,257 --> 00:44:23,327
Ron Howard and I were gonna
call. We called him together.
919
00:44:23,394 --> 00:44:24,962
And we're both
on separate lines.
920
00:44:25,029 --> 00:44:27,097
I've never called
Clint Eastwood in my life.
921
00:44:27,164 --> 00:44:29,933
And I thought, "I've got
to know him a little bit."
922
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,403
"There's some kind of tiny bond
that we have."
923
00:44:32,469 --> 00:44:36,073
So we called him, got him on the
phone and pitched him the movie.
924
00:44:36,140 --> 00:44:40,577
And he said,
"Let me take a look at it."
925
00:44:40,644 --> 00:44:44,148
And then few weeks went by
and he called me.
926
00:44:44,214 --> 00:44:46,550
And I was actually
at Steven Spielberg's house.
927
00:44:46,617 --> 00:44:50,054
And he called through my office
and I got him on the cell.
928
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,289
And he said
"I think I'm interested."
929
00:44:52,356 --> 00:44:54,458
And I just thought,
got off the phone
930
00:44:54,525 --> 00:44:57,494
and I said, "Oh my god!
Ron, Steven, this is amazing!"
931
00:44:57,561 --> 00:44:58,662
"Clint Eastwood's
gonna direct it."
932
00:44:58,729 --> 00:45:01,331
I think he's gonna direct
a movie of mine.
933
00:45:01,398 --> 00:45:03,333
And I was just really thrilled.
934
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,803
We out on the street
and high-fived each other.
935
00:45:05,869 --> 00:45:07,871
Every day you learn
something from Clint.
936
00:45:07,938 --> 00:45:10,140
You know, just the way
a set is run.
937
00:45:10,207 --> 00:45:12,176
The way a director
can talk to people.
938
00:45:12,242 --> 00:45:14,578
The way he can
get performances out of people.
939
00:45:14,645 --> 00:45:16,013
The way you cannot get
940
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,582
bogged down in details
that are not gonna make
941
00:45:18,649 --> 00:45:20,017
the movie any better.
942
00:45:20,084 --> 00:45:22,152
You watch him work
and it seems
943
00:45:22,219 --> 00:45:23,954
sort of simplistic.
944
00:45:24,021 --> 00:45:27,057
It's a sort of
a seductive diffidence.
945
00:45:27,124 --> 00:45:29,126
He sits back..
946
00:45:29,193 --> 00:45:32,730
...and doesn't seem
that invested in
947
00:45:32,796 --> 00:45:36,567
judging its freedom
that you really wanna feel.
948
00:45:36,633 --> 00:45:39,269
That's something
that the actors feel.
949
00:45:39,336 --> 00:45:42,005
And the crew does not feel that.
950
00:45:42,072 --> 00:45:43,707
I'm just going to tell you
951
00:45:43,774 --> 00:45:46,977
the crew is
in a different kind of vice.
952
00:45:47,044 --> 00:45:48,746
Because he's so
953
00:45:48,812 --> 00:45:52,449
invested in making
the thing have momentum
954
00:45:52,516 --> 00:45:54,818
and move quickly
and organically.
955
00:45:54,885 --> 00:45:58,422
When he feels that
he has the scene..
956
00:45:58,489 --> 00:46:00,691
...credibly, authentically..
957
00:46:00,758 --> 00:46:02,860
...made by the actors.
958
00:46:02,926 --> 00:46:05,195
He'll move on and..
959
00:46:05,262 --> 00:46:07,731
...it strikes terror
into his crew.
960
00:46:07,798 --> 00:46:09,433
And so they come.
961
00:46:09,500 --> 00:46:12,402
And they're on their very..
962
00:46:12,469 --> 00:46:15,472
...tiptoes to be ready
for anything that might happen.
963
00:46:15,539 --> 00:46:19,743
Clint has for years
kept his crew
964
00:46:19,810 --> 00:46:23,113
together and-and
it's a familiarity.
965
00:46:23,180 --> 00:46:26,850
It's also he knows
what to expect.
966
00:46:26,917 --> 00:46:30,554
He even says, "I hire the people
I feel are right for the jobs."
967
00:46:30,621 --> 00:46:32,089
He lets them do their job.
968
00:46:32,156 --> 00:46:34,792
He gets out of the way
is what he says.
969
00:46:34,858 --> 00:46:36,593
He comes to the set
970
00:46:36,660 --> 00:46:38,495
and usually they start
around 9 o'clock.
971
00:46:38,562 --> 00:46:40,063
Everyone's prepared.
972
00:46:40,130 --> 00:46:43,367
You got a good night's rest.
You do your work.
973
00:46:43,433 --> 00:46:46,336
How are we going home
by 2 o'clock in the afternoon?
974
00:46:46,403 --> 00:46:47,738
How is that possible?
975
00:46:47,805 --> 00:46:50,574
(Marcia Gay Harden)
Clint cares about the people
976
00:46:50,641 --> 00:46:53,877
with whom he's working.
It's, it's a, it is a family.
977
00:46:53,944 --> 00:46:57,114
He really respects and admires
and loves his crews.
978
00:46:57,181 --> 00:46:59,516
(Marcia Gay Harden)
He gets that a crew spends
979
00:46:59,583 --> 00:47:04,555
12 to 13 to 14 to 15,
come on 16 to whatever hours.
980
00:47:04,621 --> 00:47:07,357
And at the expense
of their own families.
981
00:47:07,424 --> 00:47:09,626
So on "Space Cowboys"
982
00:47:09,693 --> 00:47:13,931
Friday, Clint would have
steak and lobster for the crew
983
00:47:13,997 --> 00:47:16,967
from the catering
and after lunch you went home.
984
00:47:17,034 --> 00:47:19,236
We had to finish by four
so we could
985
00:47:19,303 --> 00:47:21,839
get on the golf course
because..
986
00:47:21,905 --> 00:47:24,741
...had to get that one shot
you can never get.
987
00:47:24,808 --> 00:47:27,277
I was sitting
in the trailer one day
988
00:47:27,344 --> 00:47:29,913
and, uh, it was lunch
and one of the PA's
989
00:47:29,980 --> 00:47:32,683
came up and said lunch,
I thought they were gonna say
990
00:47:32,749 --> 00:47:36,119
"What would you guys like?" And
instead Clint said, "Let's go."
991
00:47:36,186 --> 00:47:39,256
And there's
a long lunch line and
992
00:47:39,323 --> 00:47:41,558
usually an actor
or a director
993
00:47:41,625 --> 00:47:44,828
will go to their trailer and
their food is brought to them
994
00:47:44,895 --> 00:47:46,730
or already waiting for them.
995
00:47:46,797 --> 00:47:49,299
We walked over to where
the catering trucks were
996
00:47:49,366 --> 00:47:50,868
and he picked up a tray..
997
00:47:50,934 --> 00:47:52,269
And Clint was
998
00:47:52,336 --> 00:47:55,105
you know behind,
I don't know, 20 people.
999
00:47:55,172 --> 00:47:59,610
And he wouldn't even think
of cutting in front of anybody.
1000
00:47:59,676 --> 00:48:03,780
I just thought,
"Oh. That's why
1001
00:48:03,847 --> 00:48:08,418
he gets people to work with him
time and time again."
1002
00:48:08,485 --> 00:48:11,154
He's like, "They gotta eat too.
We're all eatin'."
1003
00:48:11,221 --> 00:48:13,824
There's no bodyguards.
There's no coterie.
1004
00:48:13,891 --> 00:48:15,659
There's no pomp
and circumstance.
1005
00:48:15,726 --> 00:48:19,696
It said so much in that
one moment about who he is.
1006
00:48:22,132 --> 00:48:25,002
You're wasting your time.
Told you I don't train girls.
1007
00:48:25,068 --> 00:48:27,037
Thought you might
change your mind.
1008
00:48:27,104 --> 00:48:29,039
There's dozens of trainers
who train girls.
1009
00:48:29,106 --> 00:48:30,741
You won't have
any trouble finding one.
1010
00:48:30,807 --> 00:48:33,443
Don't hardly need
a dozen, boss. You'll do fine.
1011
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:37,080
I remember reading it and
1012
00:48:37,147 --> 00:48:39,850
from page one to the end
1013
00:48:39,917 --> 00:48:41,618
I thought it was perfect.
1014
00:48:41,685 --> 00:48:44,521
Later into the process
I heard that Clint was
1015
00:48:44,588 --> 00:48:47,658
not only wanting to star in it,
but wanting to direct it.
1016
00:48:47,724 --> 00:48:50,160
And I was asked
to take a meeting.
1017
00:48:50,227 --> 00:48:52,496
We sat and we talked
for about an hour.
1018
00:48:52,562 --> 00:48:55,198
We talked about the movie,
we talked about my background.
1019
00:48:55,265 --> 00:48:57,067
He asked if I was an athlete.
1020
00:48:57,134 --> 00:48:58,936
We chatted a bit
about "Mystic River"
1021
00:48:59,002 --> 00:49:01,838
which had just gotten nominated.
1022
00:49:01,905 --> 00:49:04,274
I remember actually
something he said at that time
1023
00:49:04,341 --> 00:49:06,009
which has always
stayed with me.
1024
00:49:06,076 --> 00:49:08,812
I congratulated him
and he said
1025
00:49:08,879 --> 00:49:12,082
"You always aim for the bull's
eye but don't always hit it.
1026
00:49:12,149 --> 00:49:15,719
So it's a nice thing
when it works out."
1027
00:49:15,786 --> 00:49:18,488
And at the end of the meeting
1028
00:49:18,555 --> 00:49:21,692
he said, "Well, you better
start trainin'."
1029
00:49:21,758 --> 00:49:24,962
- ...boxing with me right?
- Yeah. She'll come and she'll..
1030
00:49:25,028 --> 00:49:26,897
- Yeah, and move around..
- And move around..
1031
00:49:26,964 --> 00:49:30,334
If anyone had directed
"Million Dollar Baby"
1032
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,936
I don't think it would've
gotten much notice at all.
1033
00:49:33,003 --> 00:49:35,939
Everybody has their
own ideas about what
1034
00:49:36,006 --> 00:49:37,708
a, a movie should be.
1035
00:49:37,774 --> 00:49:41,478
And I suppose executives
here or elsewhere
1036
00:49:41,545 --> 00:49:45,015
have ideas about what their
studio should be making.
1037
00:49:45,082 --> 00:49:47,918
There were several pictures
in a row there that
1038
00:49:47,985 --> 00:49:49,686
studio here had doubts about.
1039
00:49:49,753 --> 00:49:52,122
And one of them
was "Million Dollar Baby"
1040
00:49:54,424 --> 00:49:56,526
(Paul Haggis)
It's a boxing movie.
1041
00:49:56,593 --> 00:49:57,928
It's a girl boxing movie.
1042
00:49:57,995 --> 00:50:01,498
It's a girl boxing movie about a
woman who wants to kill herself
1043
00:50:01,565 --> 00:50:04,868
in the end. I mean,
who would see that film? But..
1044
00:50:04,935 --> 00:50:06,403
...make it
a Clint Eastwood movie
1045
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:08,005
and people
are really curious.
1046
00:50:08,071 --> 00:50:10,540
(Clint)
It could've easily
been a terrible flop.
1047
00:50:10,607 --> 00:50:13,076
All movies can easily
be a terrible flop.
1048
00:50:13,143 --> 00:50:15,645
And good movies
don't always do well
1049
00:50:15,712 --> 00:50:18,215
and bad movies
sometimes do great.
1050
00:50:18,281 --> 00:50:21,284
So there's no rule,
there's no rule you can follow.
1051
00:50:21,351 --> 00:50:23,587
Everybody thinks there's a rule
and everybody thinks
1052
00:50:23,653 --> 00:50:26,390
they've got the answer,
but..
1053
00:50:26,456 --> 00:50:28,825
...nobody has the answer.
1054
00:50:28,892 --> 00:50:31,361
Got any family, boss?
1055
00:50:31,428 --> 00:50:34,731
Well, I've got
a daughter, Katie.
1056
00:50:34,798 --> 00:50:36,466
That's family.
1057
00:50:36,533 --> 00:50:38,535
We're not exactly close.
1058
00:50:38,602 --> 00:50:42,406
I approached it like it was
a father-daughter love story.
1059
00:50:42,472 --> 00:50:44,341
It was the daughter
he never had.
1060
00:50:44,408 --> 00:50:46,810
And the father she never had.
1061
00:50:46,877 --> 00:50:49,246
Actually it makes me
emotional talking about it
1062
00:50:49,312 --> 00:50:55,919
because it's exactly how
our relationship evolved as
1063
00:50:55,986 --> 00:50:58,188
director-actor,
actor
1064
00:50:58,255 --> 00:51:01,892
um, and then how it built
into a friendship.
1065
00:51:01,958 --> 00:51:03,693
(Clint)
She was successful.
1066
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,762
But also it caused
the tragedy
1067
00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:08,432
the picture
eventually takes on.
1068
00:51:21,778 --> 00:51:23,480
We didn't shoot in
1069
00:51:23,547 --> 00:51:26,983
right in order, but we did do
the hospital stuff at the end
1070
00:51:27,050 --> 00:51:30,020
which was good because that was
when my body was deteriorating
1071
00:51:30,087 --> 00:51:31,888
and I stopped training.
1072
00:51:31,955 --> 00:51:35,192
I'm gonna disconnect
your air machine.
1073
00:51:35,258 --> 00:51:37,694
And you're gonna go to sleep.
1074
00:51:37,761 --> 00:51:41,031
And I'll give you a shot
and you'll..
1075
00:51:41,098 --> 00:51:42,666
...stay asleep.
1076
00:51:42,732 --> 00:51:46,536
And just at that point we had
gotten to this closeness
1077
00:51:46,603 --> 00:51:50,707
in our relationship that
I think helped with all of that
1078
00:51:50,774 --> 00:51:53,577
and Clint has a very
special place in my heart.
1079
00:51:55,645 --> 00:51:57,013
Mo chuisle.
1080
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,116
Means "my darling."
1081
00:51:59,182 --> 00:52:00,417
My blood.
1082
00:52:00,484 --> 00:52:05,021
You know, in this world we need
people who believe in us.
1083
00:52:05,088 --> 00:52:07,290
And Clint believed in me
1084
00:52:07,357 --> 00:52:09,493
just like Frankie
believed in Maggie.
1085
00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:11,962
And he gave me that gift.
1086
00:52:12,028 --> 00:52:14,564
And it was
an extraordinary feeling
1087
00:52:14,631 --> 00:52:17,234
to have that support
and that confidence behind you.
1088
00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:21,338
If I had to be done tomorrow
and I could never do it again
1089
00:52:21,404 --> 00:52:23,874
having the experience with him
1090
00:52:23,940 --> 00:52:26,143
would make it okay.
1091
00:52:26,209 --> 00:52:29,379
He'll read a script
and he'll say, um
1092
00:52:29,446 --> 00:52:31,381
"Yeah, this could be
an interesting little picture."
1093
00:52:31,448 --> 00:52:33,884
If you give him something,
he'll read it right away.
1094
00:52:33,950 --> 00:52:38,655
Which is really not something
you can easily say about most
1095
00:52:38,722 --> 00:52:40,757
gigantic filmmakers.
1096
00:52:40,824 --> 00:52:43,293
They don't really know
if they want to do it.
1097
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,897
You could wait months and years
to find if they want to do it.
1098
00:52:46,963 --> 00:52:49,599
Clint Eastwood tells you early
on, you're in, you're out.
1099
00:52:49,666 --> 00:52:51,401
Maybe I'm a little
more decisive.
1100
00:52:51,468 --> 00:52:54,404
I think that happens
as you get, as you get
1101
00:52:54,471 --> 00:52:56,640
more miles on the trail.
1102
00:52:56,706 --> 00:53:00,043
There isn't a gray area where
you'll talk him into anything.
1103
00:53:00,110 --> 00:53:02,546
And the older you get, I think
there's something about
1104
00:53:02,612 --> 00:53:06,383
you know, get to a certain age
and what can they do to you?
1105
00:53:06,449 --> 00:53:07,784
Not much.
1106
00:53:07,851 --> 00:53:10,620
I wish I had that
low-stress approach
1107
00:53:10,687 --> 00:53:11,922
to finding material.
1108
00:53:11,988 --> 00:53:14,891
In the case of "Gran Torino"
from the point he said
1109
00:53:14,958 --> 00:53:17,961
I like it to the point it was
on movie screens was
1110
00:53:18,028 --> 00:53:21,665
less than a year which could be
a record for a studio picture.
1111
00:53:21,731 --> 00:53:24,768
- Get off my lawn.
- Listen, old man.
1112
00:53:24,834 --> 00:53:27,971
I said get off my lawn now.
1113
00:53:28,038 --> 00:53:30,707
I'm not gonna say it again,
go in the freakin' house.
1114
00:53:30,774 --> 00:53:34,444
I go in that house after
I've blown a hole in your head.
1115
00:53:34,511 --> 00:53:36,780
And I sleep like a baby.
1116
00:53:36,846 --> 00:53:38,748
He doesn't want anything
to do with anybody
1117
00:53:38,815 --> 00:53:41,885
and specially people
that are different than he is.
1118
00:53:41,952 --> 00:53:44,854
He's a guy who is
very very disturbed
1119
00:53:44,921 --> 00:53:46,389
about the way
culture has gone.
1120
00:53:46,456 --> 00:53:49,826
He's had a loss
in the family, and, uh
1121
00:53:49,893 --> 00:53:52,862
he's estranged
from his grown children.
1122
00:53:52,929 --> 00:53:54,965
And he's, uh,
he doesn't like the way
1123
00:53:55,031 --> 00:53:56,366
the neighborhoods have changed.
1124
00:53:56,433 --> 00:54:01,204
This character seemed like
the same age as I am.
1125
00:54:01,271 --> 00:54:04,708
I'm not the same curmudgeonly,
I'm not quite as, uh
1126
00:54:04,774 --> 00:54:07,644
I'm not quite as, uh..
1127
00:54:07,711 --> 00:54:09,946
...as negative as,
as the character.
1128
00:54:10,013 --> 00:54:11,414
It's always interesting to me
1129
00:54:11,481 --> 00:54:13,817
as people get older
the work they do.
1130
00:54:13,883 --> 00:54:15,118
There's a different rhythm.
1131
00:54:15,185 --> 00:54:17,554
The writer, the actors
1132
00:54:17,621 --> 00:54:19,189
and him.
1133
00:54:19,256 --> 00:54:20,924
(Clint)
I think some movies
1134
00:54:20,991 --> 00:54:23,260
exceed your expectations
1135
00:54:23,326 --> 00:54:26,763
and others disappoint
your expectations.
1136
00:54:26,830 --> 00:54:29,032
If you fail on your own terms
1137
00:54:29,099 --> 00:54:33,236
then at least you fail
with your heads held high.
1138
00:54:33,303 --> 00:54:36,840
But if you fail on
somebody else's terms
1139
00:54:36,906 --> 00:54:39,342
you're gonna hate
yourself forever.
1140
00:54:39,409 --> 00:54:42,012
"Invictus", I thought
more people would know
1141
00:54:42,078 --> 00:54:43,213
about Nelson Mandela
1142
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,215
and be interested
in Nelson Mandela
1143
00:54:45,282 --> 00:54:47,984
and how he governed when
he took over the country
1144
00:54:48,051 --> 00:54:51,588
which is an interesting lesson
in today's world.
1145
00:54:51,655 --> 00:54:53,723
Generations pass and..
1146
00:54:53,790 --> 00:54:56,893
...and they forget
all about him.
1147
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:01,097
At least Americans do,
but Americans move on fast
1148
00:55:01,164 --> 00:55:02,632
to other things.
1149
00:55:04,901 --> 00:55:08,738
Now, push it towards him.
Push it. There you go.
1150
00:55:08,805 --> 00:55:11,708
If the stories are becoming
more complicated
1151
00:55:11,775 --> 00:55:15,145
the style doesn't.
That's the difference.
1152
00:55:15,211 --> 00:55:17,414
If he's searching
for more in a story
1153
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,250
I mean he still has
the ability to hold back
1154
00:55:20,317 --> 00:55:22,619
and not be intrusive
to the image.
1155
00:55:22,686 --> 00:55:25,588
Other directors are intrusive
to the image and it's wonderful.
1156
00:55:25,655 --> 00:55:27,624
This guy just doesn't
wanna do that.
1157
00:55:27,691 --> 00:55:29,359
The style's in the same way.
1158
00:55:29,426 --> 00:55:31,094
Ultimately that leads to
1159
00:55:31,161 --> 00:55:34,331
the film that he made
last year which is "J. Edgar."
1160
00:55:35,231 --> 00:55:37,233
Blow it down.
1161
00:55:37,300 --> 00:55:39,569
(Brian Grazer)
On "J. Edgar" what I did is
1162
00:55:39,636 --> 00:55:41,638
I, I'd already had
a relationship with him
1163
00:55:41,705 --> 00:55:44,341
because I had produced
"The Changeling."
1164
00:55:44,407 --> 00:55:47,143
And I felt that we had a bond.
1165
00:55:47,210 --> 00:55:50,246
And that he trusted me,
you know, just man to man.
1166
00:55:50,313 --> 00:55:53,149
I felt Clint might be
interested 'cause it was an era
1167
00:55:53,216 --> 00:55:57,087
that he knows,
it's about power dynamics.
1168
00:55:57,153 --> 00:56:00,357
It's about a complicated man.
1169
00:56:00,423 --> 00:56:03,626
Mr. Chairman, I urge passage
of the Lindbergh law
1170
00:56:03,693 --> 00:56:06,296
making kidnapping
a federal offense.
1171
00:56:06,363 --> 00:56:09,165
To immediately deliver all
fingerprints in this country
1172
00:56:09,232 --> 00:56:13,136
to my office, so that we may
create a central file.
1173
00:56:13,203 --> 00:56:15,138
To help arm our agents
1174
00:56:15,205 --> 00:56:16,873
so that they have
a fighting chance
1175
00:56:16,940 --> 00:56:19,642
against the submachine guns
of some of the most
1176
00:56:19,709 --> 00:56:21,945
dangerous characters
in the history
1177
00:56:22,011 --> 00:56:23,546
of American criminality.
1178
00:56:23,613 --> 00:56:25,982
It's also sort of an
American tragedy as well
1179
00:56:26,049 --> 00:56:27,784
because J. Edgar
1180
00:56:27,851 --> 00:56:30,086
created, formed the FBI
1181
00:56:30,153 --> 00:56:33,923
and he died
a very lonely death.
1182
00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:36,226
You know for me
it's like, uh
1183
00:56:36,292 --> 00:56:38,328
Pablo Casals playing
1184
00:56:38,395 --> 00:56:41,664
cello in a room by himself
towards the end of his life.
1185
00:56:41,731 --> 00:56:44,033
That's how
it sort of enveloped me.
1186
00:56:44,100 --> 00:56:46,503
It went into his very
1187
00:56:46,569 --> 00:56:50,106
essence, his being,
in a way, and it was very
1188
00:56:50,173 --> 00:56:53,042
subversive
because it sucked you in.
1189
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:55,311
Before you realize,
you didn't wanna leave the room
1190
00:56:55,378 --> 00:56:58,815
but you don't like the guy,
but you're not leaving.
1191
00:56:58,882 --> 00:57:01,651
I've been with the bureau
for seven years, Edgar.
1192
00:57:01,718 --> 00:57:05,155
- Almost as long as you.
- No.
1193
00:57:05,221 --> 00:57:07,157
You were with the old bureau
seven years
1194
00:57:07,223 --> 00:57:11,528
and that bureau is now gone,
sir. And so are you.
1195
00:57:11,594 --> 00:57:14,697
Um, I was a little surprised
that more people didn't see it.
1196
00:57:14,764 --> 00:57:16,533
So many pictures
that people haven't gotten
1197
00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:18,001
and 10 years later
they get them.
1198
00:57:18,067 --> 00:57:21,204
Biographical films, we've seen
a lot of them over the years.
1199
00:57:21,271 --> 00:57:22,872
Some of 'em work
and some don't.
1200
00:57:22,939 --> 00:57:26,009
There's no doubt, I think
this one has a depth to it
1201
00:57:26,075 --> 00:57:28,645
and a staying power,
that most people calm down
1202
00:57:28,711 --> 00:57:31,881
a little bit and try to see
what the hell it was.
1203
00:57:31,948 --> 00:57:33,149
They'll come around to it.
1204
00:57:33,216 --> 00:57:35,351
Lot of times you find material
that's interesting
1205
00:57:35,418 --> 00:57:38,288
and the public doesn't
find it interesting at all.
1206
00:57:38,354 --> 00:57:40,457
But that's horseracing,
you're still doing it
1207
00:57:40,523 --> 00:57:41,958
from what interests you.
1208
00:57:42,025 --> 00:57:44,527
And if you're
out of sync with the public
1209
00:57:44,594 --> 00:57:48,398
that happens
to everybody at some point.
1210
00:57:48,465 --> 00:57:51,367
But, uh,
you just
1211
00:57:51,434 --> 00:57:54,070
you know, the old song,
you know, pick yourself up
1212
00:57:54,137 --> 00:57:56,339
and right go back in the race.
1213
00:57:56,406 --> 00:57:57,874
Any criticism to Clint
1214
00:57:57,941 --> 00:58:01,211
you know, came under
in the early part of his career.
1215
00:58:01,277 --> 00:58:04,080
You know, you mentioned
Pauline Kael and others.
1216
00:58:04,147 --> 00:58:05,815
You know, he's had
the last laugh.
1217
00:58:05,882 --> 00:58:08,885
So we're talking and he says
"To tell you the truth
1218
00:58:08,952 --> 00:58:11,154
I still don't think
I've done my best work."
1219
00:58:11,221 --> 00:58:14,390
I think the strength
and the power come from
1220
00:58:14,457 --> 00:58:17,060
his gigantic desire
1221
00:58:17,126 --> 00:58:21,331
to, um, to be
and stay relevant.
1222
00:58:21,397 --> 00:58:24,100
That is to me what
differentiates him
1223
00:58:24,167 --> 00:58:26,302
from guys who really
only want to sit around
1224
00:58:26,369 --> 00:58:29,405
talk how great that movie they
did or this movie ba-ba-ba.
1225
00:58:29,472 --> 00:58:32,242
You know, Clint's
still in the hunt.
1226
00:58:32,308 --> 00:58:34,043
You don't wanna be
an old gummer
1227
00:58:34,110 --> 00:58:35,144
who's sittin' around
talkin' about
1228
00:58:35,211 --> 00:58:38,047
how things were so much
great in the old days.
1229
00:58:38,114 --> 00:58:39,782
They were great
in the old days
1230
00:58:39,849 --> 00:58:41,618
but they're good
on other days too.
1231
00:58:41,684 --> 00:58:43,353
It's what you
make out of it.
1232
00:58:43,419 --> 00:58:46,523
I think maybe Clint is
the last of the, uh
1233
00:58:46,589 --> 00:58:50,827
um, the last vestiges
of the golden age of, uh
1234
00:58:50,894 --> 00:58:53,530
the Hollywood studio film.
1235
00:58:53,596 --> 00:58:56,399
He's one of the most successful
filmmakers in history.
1236
00:58:56,466 --> 00:58:58,668
And he's a brilliant actor.
1237
00:58:58,735 --> 00:59:01,738
And he just continues
to do his thing.
1238
00:59:01,804 --> 00:59:04,674
And, uh, you know,
he's, he's laughing
1239
00:59:04,741 --> 00:59:06,376
all the way to the movies.
1240
00:59:06,442 --> 00:59:09,379
There's a body of work
that will survive.
1241
00:59:09,445 --> 00:59:14,250
Some may be considered stronger
or last longer than others.
1242
00:59:14,317 --> 00:59:17,520
But I think
they'll always speak to
1243
00:59:17,587 --> 00:59:20,990
future generations because of
the humanity of the films.
1244
00:59:21,057 --> 00:59:22,358
The ethics of the films.
1245
00:59:22,425 --> 00:59:24,260
Clint is a legend
but he's not
1246
00:59:24,327 --> 00:59:26,296
carrying it around
in a placard.
1247
00:59:26,362 --> 00:59:28,264
Maybe real legends don't
1248
00:59:28,331 --> 00:59:30,633
carry it around in a placard
on their chest
1249
00:59:30,700 --> 00:59:33,436
saying "I'm a legend by God."
1250
00:59:33,503 --> 00:59:36,673
Wannabe legends do,
but real ones don't.
1251
00:59:36,739 --> 00:59:39,142
Some days you can't remember
somebody's name
1252
00:59:39,208 --> 00:59:40,843
or you can't remember something.
1253
00:59:40,910 --> 00:59:43,680
Is it because
you're actually losing
1254
00:59:43,746 --> 00:59:47,116
memory and you're becoming
somewhat senile?
1255
00:59:47,183 --> 00:59:50,286
Or is it because
you just have
1256
00:59:50,353 --> 00:59:53,590
had so much information
crammed into your brain
1257
00:59:53,656 --> 00:59:55,458
after 80 years
1258
00:59:55,525 --> 00:59:58,995
that you can't hold any more?
1259
00:59:59,062 --> 01:00:01,030
You'd like to think
it's the latter.
1260
01:00:01,097 --> 01:00:02,532
But..
1261
01:00:02,599 --> 01:00:06,069
He loves making movies,
likes to make as many as he can.
1262
01:00:06,135 --> 01:00:07,370
As many movies.
1263
01:00:07,437 --> 01:00:09,539
The possibility of retirement
1264
01:00:09,606 --> 01:00:12,809
once in a while it crosses
my mind and then
1265
01:00:12,875 --> 01:00:14,077
I quickly get over it.
1266
01:00:14,143 --> 01:00:17,647
Of all the people
I've ever met in the business
1267
01:00:17,714 --> 01:00:22,952
he is the closest
to being both
1268
01:00:23,019 --> 01:00:27,323
a creative director
1269
01:00:27,390 --> 01:00:28,858
and a human being.
1270
01:00:35,398 --> 01:00:38,267
That's it.
1271
01:00:38,334 --> 01:00:39,602
Cut.
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