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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,737 --> 00:00:06,139 (male narrator) I've always said that I have learned 2 00:00:06,206 --> 00:00:07,440 something new on every picture. 3 00:00:07,507 --> 00:00:10,910 Not only about picture making, about personalities 4 00:00:10,977 --> 00:00:15,348 with crew and cast, uh, but also about yourself. 5 00:00:17,851 --> 00:00:19,419 He's a good guy. 6 00:00:19,486 --> 00:00:21,588 And you see that in his films. 7 00:00:21,654 --> 00:00:25,091 The camera kinda doesn't lie about that kind of thing. 8 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,263 There's no doubt that he's the link 9 00:00:30,330 --> 00:00:32,399 from the cinema that I grew up with 10 00:00:32,465 --> 00:00:34,567 and loved to the modern day. 11 00:00:34,634 --> 00:00:36,436 What else is he gonna do? 12 00:00:36,503 --> 00:00:39,005 Cause he surprised us so many times. 13 00:00:39,072 --> 00:00:40,907 Life is exciting to him. 14 00:00:40,974 --> 00:00:43,843 He always wants to try something new. 15 00:00:43,910 --> 00:00:46,613 I think Clint Eastwood has a style of directing 16 00:00:46,679 --> 00:00:50,583 and dealing with people but he's a style in progress. 17 00:00:50,650 --> 00:00:53,420 He'd be the first person to say he doesn't know everything. 18 00:00:53,486 --> 00:00:56,222 He'd be the first person to say he makes mistakes. 19 00:00:56,289 --> 00:00:59,893 He's proved something about the difficulty of achievement. 20 00:00:59,959 --> 00:01:02,729 Dedication to a principle. 21 00:01:02,796 --> 00:01:06,299 The willingness to always learn more. 22 00:01:06,366 --> 00:01:10,370 Not just sit and collect your check. 23 00:01:14,441 --> 00:01:18,611 He's quietly competitive beneath the creativity 24 00:01:18,678 --> 00:01:21,781 and, uh, gentle nature that he has. 25 00:01:21,848 --> 00:01:24,884 Uh, he's very driven. 26 00:01:24,951 --> 00:01:28,254 He continues to astonish all of us who thought 27 00:01:28,321 --> 00:01:32,192 we got the idea of what a Clint Eastwood was all about. 28 00:01:32,258 --> 00:01:34,227 The second we try to pigeonhole him 29 00:01:34,294 --> 00:01:38,364 he does something else to make us eat our words. 30 00:01:38,431 --> 00:01:41,568 Time and time again you'll see him know 31 00:01:41,634 --> 00:01:45,538 the kind of influence that he has on people. 32 00:01:45,605 --> 00:01:49,375 And he will in the subtlest ways make them comfortable. 33 00:01:49,442 --> 00:01:53,413 There's a lot I'm curious about him. I'm not sure he's tellin'. 34 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,081 I think he's inspirational. 35 00:01:56,583 --> 00:01:59,152 I've waited 75 years for this. 36 00:02:02,122 --> 00:02:05,492 I think Clint has changed the paradigm of his own image 37 00:02:05,558 --> 00:02:10,063 several times in his lifetime inside this business. 38 00:02:10,130 --> 00:02:12,699 I think he understands that stagnant equals death. 39 00:02:12,765 --> 00:02:18,638 His mind is always open to the intake of creativity. 40 00:02:18,705 --> 00:02:22,041 Alright, ready? Go ahead. 41 00:02:22,108 --> 00:02:23,176 He's interested in the stories. 42 00:02:23,243 --> 00:02:25,979 Some people take jobs, he didn't have to. 43 00:02:26,045 --> 00:02:27,947 He just takes it 'cause he's interested. 44 00:02:28,014 --> 00:02:30,884 And one of the things that makes him 45 00:02:30,950 --> 00:02:35,488 most wonderful to me is, I like to see somebody 46 00:02:35,555 --> 00:02:40,326 come out of the shadows, as it were, and fool everybody.. 47 00:02:40,393 --> 00:02:41,828 ...with how good they are. 48 00:02:43,963 --> 00:02:45,298 Get off my lawn. 49 00:02:45,365 --> 00:02:48,268 Thought you might be interested in training me. 50 00:02:48,334 --> 00:02:50,236 I don't train girls. 51 00:02:50,303 --> 00:02:53,606 You wanna leave your husband? 52 00:02:53,673 --> 00:02:55,175 No. 53 00:02:55,241 --> 00:02:57,744 Well, I guess I had it coming. 54 00:02:57,810 --> 00:02:59,212 We all have it coming. 55 00:02:59,279 --> 00:03:01,314 When I was a young, uh, contract player 56 00:03:01,381 --> 00:03:03,950 back in early 50's, I used to go down 57 00:03:04,017 --> 00:03:07,020 to the sound stages mainly to watch the actors. 58 00:03:07,086 --> 00:03:08,821 I was trying to learn all 59 00:03:08,888 --> 00:03:11,491 about the acting profession but I was always curious 60 00:03:11,558 --> 00:03:13,326 about the directors and curious about 61 00:03:13,393 --> 00:03:16,029 how they were, uh, putting it together. 62 00:03:16,095 --> 00:03:19,399 He didn't wear jodhpurs and a cowboy hat 63 00:03:19,465 --> 00:03:21,100 and smoke and have a lorgnette. 64 00:03:21,167 --> 00:03:24,170 He didn't go for the trappings of it, he just did it. 65 00:03:24,237 --> 00:03:27,373 I think he was maybe just born with that kind of creativity. 66 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:28,908 The few things that he told me.. 67 00:03:28,975 --> 00:03:33,780 ...being a pool boy, his dad running the filling station. 68 00:03:33,846 --> 00:03:37,517 Money was tight and he grew up understanding 69 00:03:37,584 --> 00:03:40,019 the economy of scale. 70 00:03:40,086 --> 00:03:43,790 He has a really good understanding of people 71 00:03:43,856 --> 00:03:49,429 and of how complex we are as human beings. 72 00:03:49,495 --> 00:03:54,334 There's, um, a seemingly simplicity to the style. 73 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:59,072 Let's just, uh fire one off and see where we are. 74 00:03:59,138 --> 00:04:02,208 His personality as a filmmaker is not forced on you. 75 00:04:02,275 --> 00:04:04,677 The things that he'd, he is directing 76 00:04:04,744 --> 00:04:06,145 he cares a great deal about. 77 00:04:06,212 --> 00:04:08,915 He just trusts his gut and it probably started early 78 00:04:08,982 --> 00:04:11,784 on in "Rawhide" and Hollywood and start with nothing 79 00:04:11,851 --> 00:04:16,155 and, uh, you know he earned his way into a great situation. 80 00:04:16,222 --> 00:04:18,524 In the late 50's, when I started on "Rawhide" 81 00:04:18,591 --> 00:04:19,726 you had different directors 82 00:04:19,792 --> 00:04:21,227 every week coming and doing a show. 83 00:04:21,294 --> 00:04:24,697 You start finding out what you like and what you don't 84 00:04:24,764 --> 00:04:28,334 about various characteristics that directors have. 85 00:04:28,401 --> 00:04:29,969 Finally one day, I started thinking 86 00:04:30,036 --> 00:04:31,571 I oughta try this myself. 87 00:04:31,638 --> 00:04:34,374 And he began to realize, you know I could do this. 88 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,743 I'm not putting words in his mouth but he.. 89 00:04:36,809 --> 00:04:38,544 ...realized I have the heart for it. 90 00:04:38,611 --> 00:04:41,614 The first time I worked for Clint, the history 91 00:04:41,681 --> 00:04:44,117 that I knew of Clint was "Rawhide." 92 00:04:44,183 --> 00:04:47,320 Because as a little girl, my sisters and I would watch 93 00:04:47,387 --> 00:04:50,356 "Rawhide" and we would get to be the different characters. 94 00:04:50,423 --> 00:04:52,458 My sister got to be "Rawhide", the other 95 00:04:52,525 --> 00:04:54,894 got to be the girl, I was the cook. 96 00:04:54,961 --> 00:04:56,796 Um, but, we loved him. 97 00:04:56,863 --> 00:04:58,665 The directors that influenced him most 98 00:04:58,731 --> 00:05:01,200 were, Sergio Leone and Don Siegel. 99 00:05:01,267 --> 00:05:02,235 They're such different directors 100 00:05:02,302 --> 00:05:04,737 but you see Clint's movies and you can see 101 00:05:04,804 --> 00:05:08,041 the impact about those talented gentlemen had on him. 102 00:05:08,107 --> 00:05:10,310 How was Sergio Leone able to influence? 103 00:05:10,376 --> 00:05:12,545 I'm not exactly sure how he did it. 104 00:05:12,612 --> 00:05:15,114 But if you look at the mechanics of those movies 105 00:05:15,181 --> 00:05:18,251 they didn't rely on a lot of dialogue. 106 00:05:18,318 --> 00:05:20,720 But he was great. He had a very vivid imagination. 107 00:05:20,787 --> 00:05:24,123 (Clint) When we did the first one, he didn't shoot many close-ups 108 00:05:24,190 --> 00:05:26,726 being from television I said, well you know.. 109 00:05:26,793 --> 00:05:29,395 I'm playing kind of a crazy character, you got to.. 110 00:05:29,462 --> 00:05:32,365 So instead of doing the close ups like this 111 00:05:32,432 --> 00:05:34,667 he'd do close-ups like, you know he'd go. 112 00:05:34,734 --> 00:05:37,236 He'd do everything in very broad strokes. 113 00:05:42,275 --> 00:05:44,644 The way he approached things was so unusual 114 00:05:44,711 --> 00:05:49,248 he almost had a child-like glee, uh, about things. 115 00:05:49,315 --> 00:05:51,084 One time we were shooting in Spain 116 00:05:51,150 --> 00:05:55,321 and he wanted the tree with a hangman's noose 117 00:05:55,388 --> 00:05:57,490 hanging from it as sort of a threat 118 00:05:57,557 --> 00:05:59,459 to anybody who's riding by. 119 00:05:59,525 --> 00:06:01,794 And there were no trees in Southern Spain 120 00:06:01,861 --> 00:06:03,730 and the Almeria was just desolate. 121 00:06:03,796 --> 00:06:07,400 But there was this one yard that had an old big dead tree. 122 00:06:07,467 --> 00:06:10,002 He goes to the house and all of a sudden 123 00:06:10,069 --> 00:06:12,405 goes in their yard and has the crew there 124 00:06:12,472 --> 00:06:13,773 sawing down this tree. 125 00:06:13,840 --> 00:06:14,907 And the guy comes out 126 00:06:14,974 --> 00:06:19,278 who owned the house and he was incensed. 127 00:06:19,345 --> 00:06:21,881 So Sergio told him he was from the highway department 128 00:06:21,948 --> 00:06:24,350 and that the tree was a safety hazard 129 00:06:24,417 --> 00:06:27,920 'cause it would fall on the road and we had to take it out. 130 00:06:27,987 --> 00:06:30,790 And here he is, an Italian speaking with an Italian accent 131 00:06:30,857 --> 00:06:33,192 to this Spaniard and he convinces him 132 00:06:33,259 --> 00:06:36,429 that he's from the highway department. 133 00:06:36,496 --> 00:06:40,066 I came back to the States and started doing American films. 134 00:06:40,133 --> 00:06:44,737 In 1970, I found this, uh, script, "Play Misty For Me." 135 00:06:44,804 --> 00:06:48,107 I actually found it in 1969 and I was just fascinated by it. 136 00:06:48,174 --> 00:06:50,576 I know when he did, "Play Misty For Me" 137 00:06:50,643 --> 00:06:54,113 that he had gone to Universal and made a deal 138 00:06:54,180 --> 00:06:56,149 so he could direct his first movie. 139 00:06:56,215 --> 00:06:59,118 And he said, "Yeah, that's fine." 140 00:06:59,185 --> 00:07:00,853 And I was completely surprised 141 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,623 and my agent Lenny Hirshan was there with me 142 00:07:03,689 --> 00:07:06,526 and he came to me and says, "Yeah, there's just one 143 00:07:06,592 --> 00:07:09,262 "additional thing that they forgot to mention. 144 00:07:09,328 --> 00:07:11,164 "They don't want to pay you anything." 145 00:07:11,230 --> 00:07:12,632 To me, I said, they shouldn't. 146 00:07:12,698 --> 00:07:14,700 They shouldn't pay me anything, I'll pay them. 147 00:07:14,767 --> 00:07:18,404 I said if they should make, I should have to prove myself. 148 00:07:18,471 --> 00:07:20,373 What do you want, Evelyn? 149 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,241 One coke. 150 00:07:22,308 --> 00:07:25,478 I tell you tonight, I'm really ripped. 151 00:07:30,583 --> 00:07:32,752 I think the first time I knew Clint Eastwood 152 00:07:32,819 --> 00:07:37,056 beyond his iconic status as an international matinee idol. 153 00:07:37,123 --> 00:07:39,392 Was when I saw, "Play Misty For Me." 154 00:07:39,459 --> 00:07:42,428 For the first time and along with the rest of Hollywood. 155 00:07:42,495 --> 00:07:45,832 Clint was overnight, we all recognized Clint. 156 00:07:45,898 --> 00:07:48,601 You know to be a fantastic filmmaker 157 00:07:48,668 --> 00:07:51,037 and someone who is really a storyteller 158 00:07:51,103 --> 00:07:53,739 and not just an actor who's job was to tell 159 00:07:53,806 --> 00:07:56,309 someone else's stories. 160 00:07:56,375 --> 00:07:58,110 When he started working with Don Siegel 161 00:07:58,177 --> 00:08:00,413 he started to get hinged to the other side.. 162 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:01,948 ...the other side of the camera. 163 00:08:02,014 --> 00:08:05,785 He really did kind of watch Don Siegel a lot 164 00:08:05,852 --> 00:08:08,721 and learn the kind of basic craft of making movies. 165 00:08:08,788 --> 00:08:10,356 He was just a terrific guy. 166 00:08:10,423 --> 00:08:12,758 He didn't waver from his confidence. 167 00:08:12,825 --> 00:08:15,061 He liked what he liked and he moved on. 168 00:08:15,127 --> 00:08:17,597 If something wasn't working, if you could offer something 169 00:08:17,663 --> 00:08:20,600 to improve the scene, he was the first guy to grab it. 170 00:08:20,666 --> 00:08:23,202 He used to joke, he said, "Yeah, anybody, the janitor 171 00:08:23,269 --> 00:08:26,372 "can give me an idea. If it's a good, I'll steal it." 172 00:08:26,439 --> 00:08:28,174 They had a great relationship together 173 00:08:28,241 --> 00:08:31,277 and they worked on, you know, quite a few films together. 174 00:08:31,344 --> 00:08:36,315 And then Siegel was in "Play Misty For Me." 175 00:08:36,382 --> 00:08:39,452 Uh, I think as a bartender. 176 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:42,488 I gave Don a part 'cause I thought it would be fun. 177 00:08:42,555 --> 00:08:45,358 I said, "you wanna play this bartender? He says, I would. 178 00:08:45,424 --> 00:08:48,227 "He said he'd like to but he said you should have 179 00:08:48,294 --> 00:08:50,062 "a really good character to do it. 180 00:08:50,129 --> 00:08:53,032 "I said, no, no, I was kidding, half kidding but maybe 181 00:08:53,099 --> 00:08:55,835 "I was half serious too, You'll be better for it 182 00:08:55,902 --> 00:08:58,237 and more understanding of actors for playing it 183 00:08:58,304 --> 00:09:02,241 and I'll have you there in case anything goes wrong. 184 00:09:02,308 --> 00:09:04,877 I copied from Don Siegel a technique that he used. 185 00:09:04,944 --> 00:09:06,412 I would write down all my notes 186 00:09:06,479 --> 00:09:09,982 on the opposite page and then I get it all planned out. 187 00:09:10,049 --> 00:09:11,717 I said I think I got this. 188 00:09:11,784 --> 00:09:13,719 I turned out the light, sitting there 189 00:09:13,786 --> 00:09:15,254 and I'm almost going to sleep 190 00:09:15,321 --> 00:09:17,056 and I wake up and say, "wait 191 00:09:17,123 --> 00:09:20,393 "I've got to speak and command. I've got to be ready to go." 192 00:09:20,459 --> 00:09:23,863 So I turned on the light, sit back up, go through it 193 00:09:23,930 --> 00:09:25,665 from a whole other perspective. 194 00:09:25,731 --> 00:09:28,267 Then I realize this ain't an easy job 195 00:09:28,334 --> 00:09:29,435 doing both things. 196 00:09:29,502 --> 00:09:32,805 But then after a while you get used to it. 197 00:09:32,872 --> 00:09:35,474 The whole thing will be converging 198 00:09:35,541 --> 00:09:36,809 and start moving. 199 00:09:36,876 --> 00:09:39,378 I really don't understand how people direct 200 00:09:39,445 --> 00:09:42,848 and act at the same time. 201 00:09:42,915 --> 00:09:46,352 And then to produce, direct and act 202 00:09:46,419 --> 00:09:48,187 all at the same time 203 00:09:48,254 --> 00:09:50,356 is a pretty daunting task. 204 00:09:50,423 --> 00:09:53,225 (Kevin Bacon) If you're an actor and you start to direct 205 00:09:53,292 --> 00:09:55,127 it must give you a great appreciation 206 00:09:55,194 --> 00:09:56,963 for how hard the director's job is. 207 00:09:57,029 --> 00:09:58,397 I feel if you're an actor 208 00:09:58,464 --> 00:10:02,868 only an idiot wouldn't know how hard a director's job is. 209 00:10:02,935 --> 00:10:06,706 (Hilary Swank) It was interesting having your co-star be your director. 210 00:10:06,772 --> 00:10:09,075 It's nerve-wracking just because he is Clint. 211 00:10:09,141 --> 00:10:12,278 He's an anomaly, he's a legend. 212 00:10:12,345 --> 00:10:15,815 It's hard because you're looking at Clint Eastwood. 213 00:10:15,881 --> 00:10:17,583 And then you get into your groove 214 00:10:17,650 --> 00:10:20,586 and I started seeing him as his character 215 00:10:20,653 --> 00:10:22,722 and yet then he was also directing me. 216 00:10:22,788 --> 00:10:27,560 You don't even know you're being directed. 217 00:10:27,627 --> 00:10:28,861 Boss. 218 00:10:28,928 --> 00:10:31,697 That little house we talked about. 219 00:10:31,764 --> 00:10:35,601 - 'I bought it.' - Well, smart girl. 220 00:10:35,668 --> 00:10:37,436 'For my mama.' 221 00:10:42,341 --> 00:10:43,776 Okay. 222 00:10:43,843 --> 00:10:49,148 His ability to see and watch while he's acting with me 223 00:10:49,215 --> 00:10:52,785 is nothing short of astonishing. 224 00:10:52,852 --> 00:10:55,087 I never felt him directing me 225 00:10:55,154 --> 00:10:56,889 while acting a scene together. 226 00:10:56,956 --> 00:10:58,791 Except once, a scene in the kitchen 227 00:10:58,858 --> 00:11:02,228 talking about his exploits in Africa. 228 00:11:02,294 --> 00:11:05,264 For an actor, there's no more disconcerting 229 00:11:05,331 --> 00:11:08,501 feeling than knowing that the person you're in the scene 230 00:11:08,567 --> 00:11:11,237 with has absented himself. 231 00:11:11,303 --> 00:11:13,739 He was watching...the movie. 232 00:11:13,806 --> 00:11:15,541 Ha ha ha. 233 00:11:15,608 --> 00:11:18,110 He was watching me but wasn't in the scene. 234 00:11:18,177 --> 00:11:21,714 I said something because I've never felt that before. 235 00:11:21,781 --> 00:11:23,282 And he said you're right. 236 00:11:23,349 --> 00:11:24,417 You're right. 237 00:11:24,483 --> 00:11:26,419 It'll never happen again, it never did. 238 00:11:26,485 --> 00:11:28,421 When he's directing a movie that he's in 239 00:11:28,487 --> 00:11:30,356 he really understands the pitches 240 00:11:30,423 --> 00:11:32,291 that he hits really well. 241 00:11:32,358 --> 00:11:35,194 And he sets himself up to succeed. 242 00:11:35,261 --> 00:11:38,998 Girlie, tough ain't enough. 243 00:11:39,065 --> 00:11:41,100 When people think of him they think of 244 00:11:41,167 --> 00:11:43,836 the guy that's like, "Go ahead make my day." 245 00:11:43,903 --> 00:11:45,738 You know like comin' out with guns 246 00:11:45,805 --> 00:11:49,709 and, uh, Dirty Harry and, um... 247 00:11:49,775 --> 00:11:52,845 yet Clint has one of the biggest hearts 248 00:11:52,912 --> 00:11:55,381 of anyone I know. 249 00:11:55,448 --> 00:11:56,649 (Spielberg) We were friends. 250 00:11:56,716 --> 00:11:59,452 And I one day was with Clint and I said 251 00:11:59,518 --> 00:12:02,788 I've got this NBC series called "Amazing Stories" 252 00:12:02,855 --> 00:12:05,024 and you know Scorsese is going to direct one. 253 00:12:05,091 --> 00:12:08,627 I gave him a list directors, feature directors 254 00:12:08,694 --> 00:12:11,597 to make these half an hour television 255 00:12:11,664 --> 00:12:15,601 anthological stories and I offered him something 256 00:12:15,668 --> 00:12:18,337 that I had written myself called "Vanessa In The Garden." 257 00:12:18,404 --> 00:12:19,572 And he liked it. 258 00:12:19,638 --> 00:12:21,373 And he, uh, and he mounted it 259 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,543 and he directed it and he cast my mother in it. 260 00:12:24,610 --> 00:12:26,412 As a glorified extra. 261 00:12:26,479 --> 00:12:29,348 It's among the greatest thing he ever did for my family. 262 00:12:29,415 --> 00:12:32,051 Getting my mother on television for the first time. 263 00:12:32,118 --> 00:12:34,353 Only Clint Eastwood could do that. 264 00:12:34,420 --> 00:12:38,357 I don't think Clint takes himself so seriously. 265 00:12:38,424 --> 00:12:41,327 He takes the business seriously but not himself seriously. 266 00:12:41,393 --> 00:12:45,431 (Tommy Lee Jones) Sometimes it was hard to, uh, get a take on the first 267 00:12:45,498 --> 00:12:46,766 because everybody's laughing. 268 00:12:46,832 --> 00:12:50,536 That's very important, it infuses a film with spirit. 269 00:12:50,603 --> 00:12:54,039 Even if it's a sad scene, everybody's havin' fun.. 270 00:12:54,106 --> 00:12:56,475 ...then, then the audience is all the closer. 271 00:12:56,542 --> 00:13:02,114 I don't like contention and bells ringing, people yelling. 272 00:13:02,181 --> 00:13:03,549 I like everything to be smooth. 273 00:13:03,616 --> 00:13:07,286 It should be, if it isn't fun we shouldn't even be there. 274 00:13:07,353 --> 00:13:10,322 (Kevin Bacon) We were doing a scene with a guy. 275 00:13:10,389 --> 00:13:12,658 I guess the guy was a little nervous. 276 00:13:12,725 --> 00:13:14,660 He was a little unsure of himself. 277 00:13:14,727 --> 00:13:17,229 Clint took aside and said, "sometimes it helps 278 00:13:17,296 --> 00:13:19,165 "if you could screw up a little bit." 279 00:13:19,231 --> 00:13:22,268 "Cause it'll make the guy feel like, if Kevin's screwing up 280 00:13:22,334 --> 00:13:24,870 "then anybody can screw up and I can do better." 281 00:13:24,937 --> 00:13:27,540 And I was like, what, it's a really interesting idea. 282 00:13:27,606 --> 00:13:31,610 So the next take, you know, I went in and I flubbed my line. 283 00:13:31,677 --> 00:13:33,813 And sure enough, the guy got better. 284 00:13:33,879 --> 00:13:35,314 He got stronger. 285 00:13:35,381 --> 00:13:39,051 I went in and did another take and flubbed my line. 286 00:13:39,118 --> 00:13:41,587 Clint said, "okay that's enough screwing up." 287 00:13:41,654 --> 00:13:43,656 (Gene Hackman) On "Unforgiven" it occurred to me 288 00:13:43,722 --> 00:13:46,492 that there was a time when a bunch of studio heads 289 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,962 came up to the film and Clint had his helicopter 290 00:13:50,029 --> 00:13:51,263 up there in Canada. 291 00:13:51,330 --> 00:13:54,567 He had his pilot fly them down to the set. 292 00:13:54,633 --> 00:13:55,701 It was no big deal. 293 00:13:55,768 --> 00:13:57,736 They weren't pressuring me or anything. 294 00:13:57,803 --> 00:14:00,573 When they called lunch, Clint looked and he says 295 00:14:00,639 --> 00:14:02,842 "Want to go for another ride?" 296 00:14:02,908 --> 00:14:05,110 And I said, "Yeah, sure." 297 00:14:05,177 --> 00:14:08,647 So we go out and Clint was qualified in the helicopter. 298 00:14:08,714 --> 00:14:10,549 We both get on then.. 299 00:14:10,616 --> 00:14:11,884 ...in the helicopter. 300 00:14:11,951 --> 00:14:14,720 And through the front Plexiglas window 301 00:14:14,787 --> 00:14:19,191 you could see that the four to five studio types 302 00:14:19,258 --> 00:14:20,960 standing there on a hill. 303 00:14:21,026 --> 00:14:24,663 You know, what in the world are these two guys 304 00:14:24,730 --> 00:14:27,132 goin' up in this, uh, helicopter. 305 00:14:27,199 --> 00:14:29,735 Ha ha ha, I loved it. 306 00:14:32,004 --> 00:14:35,641 Okay, get ready and go. 307 00:14:35,708 --> 00:14:39,979 The only time I ever saw him rouse himself was when I heard 308 00:14:40,045 --> 00:14:43,115 there was a slight noise outside 309 00:14:43,182 --> 00:14:46,552 the kitchen where we were shooting. 310 00:14:46,619 --> 00:14:48,754 Someone moving a truck, you know, just trying 311 00:14:48,821 --> 00:14:51,757 to anticipate his every need. 312 00:14:51,824 --> 00:14:57,496 Uh, down the lane and he heard, "Rrrr".. 313 00:14:57,563 --> 00:15:01,300 ...and he just yelled. 314 00:15:01,367 --> 00:15:03,168 I'd be terrified to see his temper. 315 00:15:03,235 --> 00:15:05,371 Technical difficulty. 316 00:15:05,437 --> 00:15:06,839 Honing up things. 317 00:15:06,906 --> 00:15:10,009 Something they couldn't get right. 318 00:15:10,075 --> 00:15:11,343 And it was holding them up. 319 00:15:11,410 --> 00:15:16,415 And his anger's suddenness like an explosion. 320 00:15:16,482 --> 00:15:18,050 "Fix it." 321 00:15:18,117 --> 00:15:20,185 That's the only time I've ever seen him.. 322 00:15:20,252 --> 00:15:23,088 ...get anywhere beyond placid. 323 00:15:23,155 --> 00:15:24,757 I've seen his disappointment in people 324 00:15:24,823 --> 00:15:27,726 and he, and when that happens.. 325 00:15:27,793 --> 00:15:31,163 ...I've seen this sort of, the icy side of him. 326 00:15:31,230 --> 00:15:34,300 And, uh, I've seen him do that to somebody 327 00:15:34,366 --> 00:15:37,903 and I just never wanted to be in that vision myself. 328 00:15:37,970 --> 00:15:40,673 When he yells, it so shocked everyone. 329 00:15:40,739 --> 00:15:43,609 We all had to go lie down. It was really.. 330 00:15:45,210 --> 00:15:48,047 He doesn't question the choices he makes. 331 00:15:48,113 --> 00:15:51,150 (Gene) He just had that sly confidence 332 00:15:51,216 --> 00:15:53,419 that this is gonna happen. 333 00:15:53,485 --> 00:15:57,323 I think it comes from the roles that he did over the years 334 00:15:57,389 --> 00:15:59,658 before he decided to direct. 335 00:15:59,725 --> 00:16:02,661 You're thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. 336 00:16:04,229 --> 00:16:07,499 To tell you the truth I forgot myself in all this excitement. 337 00:16:07,566 --> 00:16:09,568 Clint came along with the right product 338 00:16:09,635 --> 00:16:11,403 and the right story and character. 339 00:16:11,470 --> 00:16:13,572 I think the audience just really.. 340 00:16:13,639 --> 00:16:16,041 ...like a magnet attached itself to it. 341 00:16:16,108 --> 00:16:18,544 It's a fantastic character he created and it's iconic 342 00:16:18,610 --> 00:16:20,346 and it's part of American lore. 343 00:16:20,412 --> 00:16:21,580 Cinematic lore. 344 00:16:21,647 --> 00:16:24,950 He was crossing over a line, they caught a wave 345 00:16:25,017 --> 00:16:30,422 at the time that kind of idea of lawman as judge and jury. 346 00:16:30,489 --> 00:16:33,926 You have this extraordinary persona 347 00:16:33,993 --> 00:16:38,097 that is also, um...in these films 348 00:16:38,163 --> 00:16:43,135 going from, uh, the Leone pictures to "Dirty Harry." 349 00:16:43,202 --> 00:16:45,571 Also has a range, he's got a range. 350 00:16:45,637 --> 00:16:47,473 You'd wanna see a Clint Eastwood picture. 351 00:16:47,539 --> 00:16:48,774 Didn't matter who directed. 352 00:16:48,841 --> 00:16:52,244 You'd go see that persona you want to be in that presence. 353 00:16:52,311 --> 00:16:55,848 (Reni) I remember Don Siegel was sick and it was this day 354 00:16:55,914 --> 00:16:59,084 they were shooting the scene where there's a jumper. 355 00:16:59,151 --> 00:17:01,153 Clint ended up directing that sequence. 356 00:17:01,220 --> 00:17:04,556 (male #1) The guy goes up on a, one of those telescopic cranes 357 00:17:04,623 --> 00:17:07,226 to get the guy off and he talks him down 358 00:17:07,292 --> 00:17:08,460 in rather an unorthodox way. 359 00:17:08,527 --> 00:17:10,929 'I'd like your name and address. That's all.' 360 00:17:10,996 --> 00:17:12,431 Why? 361 00:17:12,498 --> 00:17:15,434 Like I said, it's such a mess down there afterwards. 362 00:17:15,501 --> 00:17:16,735 Makes identification impossible. 363 00:17:16,802 --> 00:17:18,303 Even if they find your license 364 00:17:18,370 --> 00:17:21,206 all that blood and everything. 365 00:17:21,273 --> 00:17:22,708 I think.. 366 00:17:24,209 --> 00:17:26,412 I think I'm gonna...puke. 367 00:17:26,478 --> 00:17:28,380 Oh, now don't do that, son. 368 00:17:28,447 --> 00:17:30,682 I mean all those people down there lookin' up. 369 00:17:30,749 --> 00:17:34,453 Fire chief lookin' up, his face. Ha ha. 370 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,355 You rotten bastard. 371 00:17:37,823 --> 00:17:40,459 (John) He's still the guy that when you're with him 372 00:17:40,526 --> 00:17:41,927 having lunch or whatever 373 00:17:41,994 --> 00:17:45,898 people will...in equal measures say there's Clint Eastwood.. 374 00:17:45,964 --> 00:17:47,566 ...as, there's Dirty Harry. 375 00:17:47,633 --> 00:17:51,670 Clint was so popular after that movie 376 00:17:51,737 --> 00:17:54,506 he probably could've been elected president. 377 00:17:54,573 --> 00:17:58,610 To break through the molds of Rowdy Yates from "Rawhide." 378 00:17:58,677 --> 00:18:02,181 And then all the Sergio Leone pictures. 379 00:18:02,247 --> 00:18:04,450 And then his own, you know, triumph 380 00:18:04,516 --> 00:18:07,119 as a western actor and director 381 00:18:07,186 --> 00:18:09,721 with "Outlaw Josey Wales" which is one of the most 382 00:18:09,788 --> 00:18:13,258 brilliant westerns ever made in my opinion. 383 00:18:13,325 --> 00:18:16,995 (John) With Josey Wales, Clint had completely escaped 384 00:18:17,062 --> 00:18:18,997 the shadow of Leone in some ways. 385 00:18:21,233 --> 00:18:24,536 It's a story about a man who lost his family. 386 00:18:24,603 --> 00:18:28,474 (male #2) To me it was sort of ultimate man wronged kinda thing. 387 00:18:29,141 --> 00:18:30,976 Help, Josey! 388 00:18:34,346 --> 00:18:36,448 The effects of war on this particular 389 00:18:36,515 --> 00:18:40,152 on everyone but this particular individual and betrayal 390 00:18:40,219 --> 00:18:43,255 to the point where he wants to become a total recluse. 391 00:18:43,322 --> 00:18:47,092 (John) In Josey Wales he tends to attract a group of 392 00:18:47,159 --> 00:18:49,161 ne'er-do-wells and misfits. 393 00:18:49,228 --> 00:18:52,931 That's a recurring theme in some of Clint's movies. 394 00:18:52,998 --> 00:18:56,368 I was just wondering, I suppose that mangy redbone hound's 395 00:18:56,435 --> 00:18:58,470 got no place else to go either. 396 00:19:03,342 --> 00:19:06,411 Well, you might as well ride along with us. 397 00:19:06,478 --> 00:19:09,281 Hell, everybody else is. 398 00:19:09,348 --> 00:19:12,351 (Morgan) You listen to, uh, a lot of Clint's movies 399 00:19:12,417 --> 00:19:14,920 there are things that he's saying in there 400 00:19:14,987 --> 00:19:18,290 that are very pithy deep. 401 00:19:18,357 --> 00:19:20,459 It's quintessential Clint 402 00:19:20,526 --> 00:19:23,295 in terms of the character, in terms of the story. 403 00:19:25,664 --> 00:19:28,500 Are going to pull those pistols or whistle Dixie? 404 00:19:34,540 --> 00:19:37,643 I liked, uh, the saga with the movement 405 00:19:37,709 --> 00:19:40,479 of it, the traveling of it. 406 00:19:40,546 --> 00:19:43,081 It was one of my favorite films that I've done. 407 00:19:43,148 --> 00:19:46,685 It kind of breaks the trend "and he rode off into the sunset." 408 00:19:46,752 --> 00:19:49,254 And I'm not sure, you know, if there was some 409 00:19:49,321 --> 00:19:52,124 inherent message that the loner ultimately has to join 410 00:19:52,191 --> 00:19:54,226 for the world to succeed. 411 00:19:54,293 --> 00:19:56,895 It's for other people to judge the work. 412 00:19:56,962 --> 00:19:59,698 And it's other people to judge where I come from. 413 00:19:59,765 --> 00:20:03,001 It's more fun that way. 414 00:20:03,068 --> 00:20:05,971 (Tim) Despite the things that everybody knows about him 415 00:20:06,038 --> 00:20:09,274 I think he's a pretty, um, complicated guy. 416 00:20:09,341 --> 00:20:11,944 I like the way he operates and I want to.. 417 00:20:12,010 --> 00:20:13,812 ...I want to be like Clint. 418 00:20:13,879 --> 00:20:16,248 Imagine that dude at a poker table 419 00:20:16,315 --> 00:20:20,219 and you know it's the, uh, it's the guy you know is gonna.. 420 00:20:20,285 --> 00:20:23,989 ...that guy's gonna wind up with all the money in my pocket 421 00:20:24,056 --> 00:20:26,858 I know it somehow and he's not sayin' a word. 422 00:20:26,925 --> 00:20:31,096 I think Clint is incapable of boredom. 423 00:20:31,163 --> 00:20:33,165 I don't think he's bored about anything. 424 00:20:33,232 --> 00:20:36,068 Look what he's got. He's got Dina, he's got his kids. 425 00:20:36,134 --> 00:20:39,171 He's got his lifestyle, he's got his art. 426 00:20:39,238 --> 00:20:40,639 And he's got his music. 427 00:20:40,706 --> 00:20:44,243 And he loves musicians. 428 00:20:46,211 --> 00:20:47,512 (Bill) And he loves singers. 429 00:20:47,579 --> 00:20:49,114 And he and I for years 430 00:20:49,181 --> 00:20:51,350 we've always sat around talked about Billie Holiday 431 00:20:51,416 --> 00:20:54,019 and Ella Fitzgerald and Sarah Vaughan 432 00:20:54,086 --> 00:20:55,187 I mean, that's his thing. 433 00:20:55,254 --> 00:20:57,556 He was a piano player for singers. 434 00:20:57,623 --> 00:20:59,291 He loves that. 435 00:20:59,358 --> 00:21:02,694 His love for jazz and the way he expressed it 436 00:21:02,761 --> 00:21:04,463 in burden and the way jazz 437 00:21:04,529 --> 00:21:07,532 has become a kind of leitmotif of a lot of his work. 438 00:21:07,599 --> 00:21:12,904 That is the greatest relaxer I can imagine anybody having 439 00:21:12,971 --> 00:21:16,375 in their lives and music is such a wonderful way of 440 00:21:16,441 --> 00:21:17,643 just I guess.. 441 00:21:17,709 --> 00:21:19,111 ...chilling. 442 00:21:22,514 --> 00:21:23,982 He'll collaborate with an orchestrator 443 00:21:24,049 --> 00:21:25,951 and other composer but the main themes 444 00:21:26,018 --> 00:21:27,452 Clint Eastwood writes himself. 445 00:21:27,519 --> 00:21:30,055 (Joel) He wrote the theme for "Unforgiven." 446 00:21:30,122 --> 00:21:33,558 In "Mystic River" he wrote the whole score. 447 00:21:33,625 --> 00:21:36,728 He wrote the whole score for, uh, "Million Dollar Baby." 448 00:21:36,795 --> 00:21:40,899 He wrote the whole score for, uh, "Flags of Our Fathers." 449 00:21:40,966 --> 00:21:44,436 Writing music for the movie is another way for him to say 450 00:21:44,503 --> 00:21:46,638 well, look, this is a personal movie. 451 00:21:46,705 --> 00:21:48,907 Not only did I, I didn't write the story 452 00:21:48,974 --> 00:21:51,643 but I interpreted the story as a director 453 00:21:51,710 --> 00:21:53,779 and now I'm gonna interpret the story musically. 454 00:21:53,845 --> 00:21:56,848 As you read his script, as you start to see it realized 455 00:21:56,915 --> 00:21:59,184 the better directors find the music in it. 456 00:21:59,251 --> 00:22:00,819 They don't know the specific piece 457 00:22:00,886 --> 00:22:03,021 that they're gonna use but I think they get 458 00:22:03,088 --> 00:22:09,428 a pretty good idea of the, um, the mood or the, uh, the tone. 459 00:22:09,494 --> 00:22:13,131 (Kevin) If you are a musician, certainly 460 00:22:13,198 --> 00:22:15,667 and even if you have a great appreciation for music 461 00:22:15,734 --> 00:22:19,304 it's sort of there as you walk, as you talk 462 00:22:19,371 --> 00:22:21,573 as you think in your moments of silence. 463 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,010 There's some kind of interlude or some kind of score 464 00:22:25,077 --> 00:22:29,815 for your life that's kinda like, you know, um, floating there 465 00:22:29,881 --> 00:22:31,616 in your subconscious and I think that 466 00:22:31,683 --> 00:22:33,919 that is certainly the case with him. 467 00:22:33,985 --> 00:22:35,721 So it should go real fast. 468 00:22:35,787 --> 00:22:37,522 Shew-shew-shew! 469 00:22:37,589 --> 00:22:39,291 (Tim) We read this often that 470 00:22:39,358 --> 00:22:42,127 he's gotten better as a director 471 00:22:42,194 --> 00:22:44,696 uh, as he's gotten older. 472 00:22:44,763 --> 00:22:47,232 (Martin) As his filmmaking has evolved and matured 473 00:22:47,299 --> 00:22:50,535 his characters have matured and become more complicated. 474 00:22:50,602 --> 00:22:53,538 "Mystic River" comes to mind immediately. 475 00:22:53,605 --> 00:22:55,507 "Unforgiven" comes to mind 476 00:22:55,574 --> 00:22:59,745 in the same sort of mental breath as-as "Mystic River." 477 00:22:59,811 --> 00:23:02,114 (male #3) 'Ready, 548 take one.' 478 00:23:03,648 --> 00:23:05,317 (Clint) It was a interesting project 479 00:23:05,384 --> 00:23:08,387 I was looking for somebody to rewrite a script. 480 00:23:08,453 --> 00:23:11,323 A girl I knew on the lot here was a reader 481 00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:12,491 for Warner Brothers. 482 00:23:12,557 --> 00:23:15,360 She said if you want a really good writer.. 483 00:23:15,427 --> 00:23:19,297 ...you ought to read this story by, uh, David Peoples. 484 00:23:19,364 --> 00:23:21,767 The option was running out. 485 00:23:21,833 --> 00:23:24,236 I guess it was the day it ran out 486 00:23:24,302 --> 00:23:26,304 that we got this call from Clint Eastwood. 487 00:23:26,371 --> 00:23:28,540 I said, well, uh, I'll take that. 488 00:23:29,574 --> 00:23:31,977 But this was 1985.. 489 00:23:32,043 --> 00:23:34,980 ...and, uh, he bought the film outright. 490 00:23:35,046 --> 00:23:38,850 But I didn't wanna do a western at that time I had done a few. 491 00:23:38,917 --> 00:23:43,288 And I felt that I'd like to, uh, maybe sit on it for a while. 492 00:23:43,355 --> 00:23:46,425 Maybe it'd be better to play this character when I was older. 493 00:23:46,491 --> 00:23:48,927 All of a sudden I see he's making this western 494 00:23:48,994 --> 00:23:51,029 called "Pale Rider" and I was very disappointed 495 00:23:51,096 --> 00:23:52,564 that he was making something different. 496 00:23:52,631 --> 00:23:55,934 I put it in a drawer and went through the whole 80's 497 00:23:56,001 --> 00:23:57,869 without even thinking about it. 498 00:23:57,936 --> 00:24:01,273 I think I had talked to him once or somethin' about 499 00:24:01,339 --> 00:24:02,607 a rewrite on the telephone 500 00:24:02,674 --> 00:24:04,876 and he said he was gonna get to it. 501 00:24:04,943 --> 00:24:08,580 1991, I took it out of the drawer 502 00:24:08,647 --> 00:24:11,983 and said and I reread it and fell in love with it 503 00:24:12,050 --> 00:24:15,754 all over again. And said "This is the time to do this." 504 00:24:15,821 --> 00:24:18,623 He did want a couple of scenes rewritten. 505 00:24:18,690 --> 00:24:21,693 And, uh, I wasn't crazy about the ideas 506 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,596 but I was a little intimidated about the idea of.. 507 00:24:24,663 --> 00:24:28,133 I could get pretty feisty but I wasn't gonna be feisty with him. 508 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,335 I started rewriting things and I found out 509 00:24:30,402 --> 00:24:32,971 the more I screwed with it.. 510 00:24:33,038 --> 00:24:34,506 ...the worse it was getting. 511 00:24:34,573 --> 00:24:36,842 I said, I'm doing what Siegel used to call 512 00:24:36,908 --> 00:24:38,543 killing it with improvements. 513 00:24:38,610 --> 00:24:42,747 And, uh, this is just really good, I don't know why 514 00:24:42,814 --> 00:24:44,282 I'm fiddling around with this. 515 00:24:44,349 --> 00:24:46,585 When he showed me this cut of the movie 516 00:24:46,651 --> 00:24:49,221 I said, uh, "Rewrites aren't there." 517 00:24:49,287 --> 00:24:51,823 And he said, "Nah, it was better the first time." 518 00:24:51,890 --> 00:24:54,926 And that...I tremendously appreciated 519 00:24:54,993 --> 00:24:57,863 because one of the things in this business is.. 520 00:24:57,929 --> 00:25:00,866 ...things just get worse and worse as you keep rewriting 'em 521 00:25:00,932 --> 00:25:03,001 and nobody can ever stop, right? 522 00:25:03,068 --> 00:25:05,337 And he has that wonderful restraint. 523 00:25:10,909 --> 00:25:13,044 I think "Unforgiven" is one of my favorites. 524 00:25:13,111 --> 00:25:16,615 "Unforgiven" that's the first Clint Eastwood movie 525 00:25:16,681 --> 00:25:17,849 I'd ever seen. 526 00:25:17,916 --> 00:25:21,186 "Unforgiven" is a really classic movie. 527 00:25:21,253 --> 00:25:23,622 And I think that, um, it's interesting 528 00:25:23,688 --> 00:25:26,458 but I think great westerns depend on their literacy. 529 00:25:26,525 --> 00:25:28,193 Not on their gunfight. 530 00:25:28,260 --> 00:25:33,298 A compassionate heart and a sensibility that was not 531 00:25:33,365 --> 00:25:37,235 what you would imagine as knee-jerk masculinity. 532 00:25:37,302 --> 00:25:38,870 An eye for an eye. 533 00:25:40,405 --> 00:25:42,574 Make my day. 534 00:25:42,641 --> 00:25:44,976 (Joel) He saw a different way of doing films 535 00:25:45,043 --> 00:25:47,679 and wanted to do more serious films. 536 00:25:47,746 --> 00:25:49,481 Because he'd done all the other films. 537 00:25:49,548 --> 00:25:51,983 As you get older, he says, there comes a time 538 00:25:52,050 --> 00:25:55,153 in a man's life when he can't just beat up every person. 539 00:25:55,220 --> 00:25:56,855 Age-wise where it's believable.. 540 00:25:56,922 --> 00:26:00,025 ...to, uh, the public. 541 00:26:00,091 --> 00:26:02,594 (Clint) As you mature in life and other areas 542 00:26:02,661 --> 00:26:03,762 you mature in your work. 543 00:26:03,828 --> 00:26:05,797 You should be learning and getting better. 544 00:26:05,864 --> 00:26:11,369 If you start getting worse then you should maybe join AARP. 545 00:26:13,238 --> 00:26:17,876 (Joel) "Unforgiven" was a changing film for Clint's career 546 00:26:17,943 --> 00:26:20,879 for a lot of our careers that worked for him 547 00:26:20,946 --> 00:26:24,249 because the film got seven nominations. 548 00:26:24,316 --> 00:26:28,119 Got four Academy Awards and really the critics 549 00:26:28,186 --> 00:26:31,122 and the world looked at him doing films differently. 550 00:26:31,189 --> 00:26:34,292 No, that's not "Dirty Harry" wait, okay, it's alright. 551 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,528 Good, people grow. 552 00:26:36,595 --> 00:26:38,129 (Tim) They continue to evolve. 553 00:26:38,196 --> 00:26:40,799 (Joel) But the other films were more genre films 554 00:26:40,865 --> 00:26:44,436 and we just went out in the days, in 42 days and shot them. 555 00:26:44,502 --> 00:26:47,005 He took more time with us because I think he.. 556 00:26:47,072 --> 00:26:49,774 ...he felt this might be the, the western 557 00:26:49,841 --> 00:26:51,876 that might be his career. 558 00:26:51,943 --> 00:26:56,314 (Morgan) I got the job because he asked me to do it. 559 00:26:56,381 --> 00:26:59,517 He owns me from that moment on. 560 00:26:59,584 --> 00:27:03,088 I got to Alberta and we met and we shook hands. 561 00:27:03,154 --> 00:27:05,290 It was like I was meeting an old friend. 562 00:27:05,357 --> 00:27:07,559 And when we started working together well it's.. 563 00:27:07,626 --> 00:27:10,295 ...was like putting on an old pair of shoes. 564 00:27:10,362 --> 00:27:14,399 I didn't like the idea of having to play a, a tough cop again 565 00:27:14,466 --> 00:27:20,138 you know, and, um, kind of a badass kind of a guy. 566 00:27:20,205 --> 00:27:23,875 You've been talking about the queen again. 567 00:27:23,942 --> 00:27:25,844 On independance day. 568 00:27:27,712 --> 00:27:30,515 Clint talked to him about it and said his idea was 569 00:27:30,582 --> 00:27:33,351 what he was gonna do with that script was be more 570 00:27:33,418 --> 00:27:35,220 character driven and Gene Hackman, uh.. 571 00:27:35,286 --> 00:27:36,988 ...agreed to do it. 572 00:27:37,055 --> 00:27:40,225 (Gene) I believed in him enough finally that I thought maybe 573 00:27:40,291 --> 00:27:45,196 he would find, and help me find something to make it 574 00:27:45,263 --> 00:27:46,765 make the role interesting. 575 00:27:46,831 --> 00:27:49,834 And, uh, for Gene Hackman it was a great move 576 00:27:49,901 --> 00:27:52,904 because he ended up getting an academy award for it. 577 00:27:54,639 --> 00:27:57,742 You'd be weaning money out of Missouri.. 578 00:27:57,809 --> 00:28:00,345 ...killed women and children. 579 00:28:00,412 --> 00:28:01,713 That's right. 580 00:28:03,782 --> 00:28:05,684 I've killed women and children. 581 00:28:07,152 --> 00:28:09,387 Killed just about everything that walks and crawls 582 00:28:09,454 --> 00:28:11,022 at one time or another. 583 00:28:12,257 --> 00:28:14,859 And I'm here to kill you, Little Bill. 584 00:28:15,994 --> 00:28:17,495 For what you did to Ned. 585 00:28:17,562 --> 00:28:19,030 (Martin) He's not afraid there to 586 00:28:19,097 --> 00:28:21,499 take on a really hard character. 587 00:28:22,801 --> 00:28:25,870 And, say, "Yes, that's me. That's who I am." 588 00:28:25,937 --> 00:28:28,206 You killed those women and children. "That's right." 589 00:28:30,075 --> 00:28:32,010 "Now I'm gonna have to take you down." 590 00:28:32,077 --> 00:28:35,413 To take the, you know, the western in a different direction 591 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,482 making the hero a bad person. 592 00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:38,483 But he knows he's gotta.. 593 00:28:38,550 --> 00:28:41,052 He doesn't want to do it because his wife 594 00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:42,620 used to really get upset.. 595 00:28:42,687 --> 00:28:45,023 ...about that, and he really feels bad about it 596 00:28:45,090 --> 00:28:46,758 but he's gotta do it. 597 00:28:52,697 --> 00:28:55,266 Misfire. Kill the son of a bitch. 598 00:29:03,508 --> 00:29:06,177 (Martin) Coming out of the tradition of the American western 599 00:29:06,244 --> 00:29:08,980 which reflected America in the first half of the century. 600 00:29:09,047 --> 00:29:10,949 He seems to be tackling 601 00:29:11,015 --> 00:29:13,451 what is ultimately the truth about it.. 602 00:29:13,518 --> 00:29:14,719 ...in "Unforgiven." 603 00:29:15,487 --> 00:29:17,789 There's a ruthlessness.. 604 00:29:17,856 --> 00:29:18,923 ...you know? 605 00:29:18,990 --> 00:29:21,326 There's a ruthlessness involved. 606 00:29:21,392 --> 00:29:26,297 The individuality in order to, um, survive. 607 00:29:26,364 --> 00:29:30,401 (Gene) I came on the set one day and he said I got a problem. 608 00:29:30,468 --> 00:29:33,071 Yeah, if you hit this thing.. 609 00:29:33,138 --> 00:29:35,874 For whatever reason the scene that was scheduled 610 00:29:35,940 --> 00:29:37,275 uh, we couldn't do it. 611 00:29:37,342 --> 00:29:40,178 The actor didn't show up or something. I can't remember 612 00:29:40,245 --> 00:29:41,780 quite what it was. 613 00:29:41,846 --> 00:29:45,550 So he says, can you go to scene 35, you know blah blah. 614 00:29:45,617 --> 00:29:48,386 And I said, I don't know I haven't looked at it. 615 00:29:48,453 --> 00:29:50,722 So it was a couple of pages of dialogue. 616 00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:53,057 And I said, well, I'll try it, you know.. 617 00:29:53,124 --> 00:29:55,026 ...and he was so good about that 618 00:29:55,093 --> 00:29:57,896 because he had to do that scene that day. 619 00:29:57,962 --> 00:30:02,167 And he was so thoughtful and so understanding 620 00:30:02,233 --> 00:30:06,404 of what an actor goes through when you're searching for lines 621 00:30:06,471 --> 00:30:09,340 and you do something unexpected like that. 622 00:30:09,407 --> 00:30:12,710 I really, uh, I really loved him for that. 623 00:30:12,777 --> 00:30:15,914 (Joel Cox) I know that when we finished "Unforgiven" we walked back 624 00:30:15,980 --> 00:30:18,716 to our office and he sat on the couch across me 625 00:30:18,783 --> 00:30:21,786 and he says "I hope we have an audience for this film." 626 00:30:21,853 --> 00:30:24,489 Because I was so emotionally involved in it and everything 627 00:30:24,556 --> 00:30:26,157 I thought it was fantastic. 628 00:30:26,224 --> 00:30:29,294 But somehow I didn't think anybody else was gonna get it. 629 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,296 And I was stunned at what he'd done. 630 00:30:31,362 --> 00:30:34,732 It was exactly what I'd written and I was overwhelmed. 631 00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:36,734 But again I thought.. 632 00:30:36,801 --> 00:30:39,304 ...poor Clint Eastwood, he made this movie. 633 00:30:39,370 --> 00:30:41,840 Only the writer's gonna be the one who likes it. 634 00:30:41,906 --> 00:30:46,678 I-I think "Unforgiven" will stand for a long time. 635 00:30:46,744 --> 00:30:50,481 As...the last great western. 636 00:30:50,548 --> 00:30:54,152 It was a long time before he made the movie. 637 00:30:54,219 --> 00:30:56,054 But it was worth the wait. 638 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,690 It was just kind of one of those things 639 00:30:58,756 --> 00:31:01,926 where it's destiny was to be in the 90's. 640 00:31:02,794 --> 00:31:04,729 As a filmmaker.. 641 00:31:04,796 --> 00:31:07,966 ...he's like "High Plains Drifter." 642 00:31:08,032 --> 00:31:09,133 He's just drifting. 643 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,837 He just goes from experience to experience. 644 00:31:12,904 --> 00:31:16,908 (Steven Spielberg) He's not intellectual about "I gotta make a story 645 00:31:16,975 --> 00:31:19,010 in this genre, in this style." 646 00:31:19,077 --> 00:31:21,112 He waits for something to wash over him. 647 00:31:21,179 --> 00:31:23,448 He waits for a book, a script, an idea. 648 00:31:23,514 --> 00:31:26,684 (Tim Robbins) I guess that's the special thing, that's the good thing. 649 00:31:26,751 --> 00:31:29,087 That's the thing that should be lauded, you know. 650 00:31:29,153 --> 00:31:32,223 In a town that wants conformity, you know 651 00:31:32,290 --> 00:31:35,827 a town that wants the same product we packaged 652 00:31:35,894 --> 00:31:38,663 that Clint has chosen the path he's chosen. 653 00:31:38,730 --> 00:31:41,032 - That's good. - Let me see that close-up. 654 00:31:41,099 --> 00:31:44,535 (Kevin Bacon) I think that his films to me.. 655 00:31:44,602 --> 00:31:46,571 purely as a viewer, not as an actor 656 00:31:46,638 --> 00:31:49,807 that's worked with him, but just as a movie consumer 657 00:31:49,874 --> 00:31:53,578 have a unexpected level 658 00:31:53,645 --> 00:31:57,282 of depth and complexity 659 00:31:57,348 --> 00:32:02,520 that somehow he's able to tap into again and again and again. 660 00:32:02,587 --> 00:32:06,257 Basically, you have to trust your own feelings 661 00:32:06,324 --> 00:32:08,459 your own instincts and your own taste 662 00:32:08,526 --> 00:32:10,328 in judging material. 663 00:32:10,395 --> 00:32:13,665 Because, uh, that's all you have to go by. 664 00:32:13,731 --> 00:32:17,535 If you try to start pre-thinking 665 00:32:17,602 --> 00:32:19,470 what other people are thinking, you're not.. 666 00:32:19,537 --> 00:32:21,906 You're gonna get yourself in a real confused state. 667 00:32:21,973 --> 00:32:23,675 He's been a Mayor for Pete's sakes. 668 00:32:23,741 --> 00:32:26,010 He was an actor, he did the spaghetti westerns. 669 00:32:26,077 --> 00:32:27,979 He did the "Rawhide." He does TV. 670 00:32:28,046 --> 00:32:30,081 His family just did a reality show. 671 00:32:30,148 --> 00:32:32,216 He directs all kinds of different film. 672 00:32:32,283 --> 00:32:35,486 He doesn't seem to say, "No." 673 00:32:35,553 --> 00:32:37,488 He seems to say "Why not?" 674 00:32:37,555 --> 00:32:39,257 Take. 675 00:32:39,324 --> 00:32:40,558 (Steven Spielberg) I'd bought the book 676 00:32:40,625 --> 00:32:43,161 which was a very popular book at the time. 677 00:32:43,227 --> 00:32:45,730 It was on the best-seller list for years I think. 678 00:32:45,797 --> 00:32:48,366 We were looking for a director to tell the story. 679 00:32:48,433 --> 00:32:51,235 And my first choice was Clint. 680 00:32:51,302 --> 00:32:53,271 So, uh, yeah, just, just go ahead. 681 00:32:53,338 --> 00:32:55,106 (Steven Spielberg) There was no real precedent 682 00:32:55,173 --> 00:32:57,775 to make it an easy choice for me to say 683 00:32:57,842 --> 00:32:59,577 "Oh, Clint made a movie like this 684 00:32:59,644 --> 00:33:01,546 or perhaps he'd like to make this one." 685 00:33:01,612 --> 00:33:03,648 Since there are so many connections or similarities. 686 00:33:03,715 --> 00:33:05,783 I don't think this was similar to anything 687 00:33:05,850 --> 00:33:08,619 he'd ever done before. That's the reason I went to him. 688 00:33:08,686 --> 00:33:11,422 And I was also hoping he'd agree to play Kincaid 689 00:33:11,489 --> 00:33:13,157 the main character. 690 00:33:13,224 --> 00:33:15,226 Well, it was Clint's idea to cast Meryl. 691 00:33:15,293 --> 00:33:17,962 When we sat around in our first couple of meetings 692 00:33:18,029 --> 00:33:20,665 to decide who we were gonna get. 693 00:33:20,732 --> 00:33:22,166 Clint only had one choice. 694 00:33:22,233 --> 00:33:25,436 He said, "I'd like to see what Meryl thinks of this." 695 00:33:25,503 --> 00:33:29,073 (Meryl Streep) I didn't know anything about it except the books. 696 00:33:29,140 --> 00:33:32,677 You know, "Romeo and Juliet" was taken from an earlier source. 697 00:33:32,744 --> 00:33:34,579 That play nobody remembers. 698 00:33:34,645 --> 00:33:38,282 But it's what Shakespeare did with the same plot, same story 699 00:33:38,349 --> 00:33:40,585 but it's just how you tell the story. 700 00:33:41,819 --> 00:33:45,456 I was just picking you some flowers. 701 00:33:45,523 --> 00:33:46,557 Oh. 702 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,995 Men still do that, don't they? 703 00:33:51,062 --> 00:33:52,730 Am not out of date, am I? 704 00:33:52,797 --> 00:33:55,500 Picking flowers for a women, a sign of appreciation? 705 00:33:55,566 --> 00:33:56,701 No, not at all. 706 00:33:56,768 --> 00:33:59,037 Except, those are poisonous. 707 00:34:01,072 --> 00:34:06,344 I think he saw an opportunity for himself to reveal something 708 00:34:06,411 --> 00:34:10,782 that was another dimension to his fans that already bought 709 00:34:10,848 --> 00:34:13,117 a certain character from him. 710 00:34:13,184 --> 00:34:15,820 I think he has very highly evolved 711 00:34:15,887 --> 00:34:17,455 both sides of his character. 712 00:34:17,522 --> 00:34:18,723 He has a.. 713 00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:23,861 I don't know if anybody else would agree with me. 714 00:34:23,928 --> 00:34:25,663 But he has a.. 715 00:34:25,730 --> 00:34:29,434 ...female sensibility in many ways. 716 00:34:31,002 --> 00:34:33,871 I don't want to need you. 717 00:34:33,938 --> 00:34:35,740 What? 718 00:34:35,807 --> 00:34:37,942 Because I can't have you. 719 00:34:38,009 --> 00:34:41,813 I really didn't realize... 720 00:34:41,879 --> 00:34:45,283 ...how vulnerable he had let himself be in that role. 721 00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:49,120 And that's not something you just unpack from your kit bag. 722 00:34:49,187 --> 00:34:51,589 That has to reside somewhere in you. 723 00:34:51,656 --> 00:34:57,261 And yet he has this image of this sort of uber man. 724 00:34:57,328 --> 00:34:59,063 - Gotcha! - Oh! 725 00:34:59,130 --> 00:35:01,532 I think he's a harsh judge of himself. 726 00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:03,234 He-he sure was. 727 00:35:03,301 --> 00:35:08,172 And a little bit of it was...bullshit, you know. 728 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,577 Little bit of it was just trying to make everybody feel at ease. 729 00:35:12,643 --> 00:35:14,645 After each take.. 730 00:35:14,712 --> 00:35:17,648 ...of his own, he'd say, "Well, that was adequate." 731 00:35:17,715 --> 00:35:19,917 You know, ha ha ha. 732 00:35:19,984 --> 00:35:22,987 There was a scene in the kitchen, a big fight scene. 733 00:35:23,054 --> 00:35:26,023 He was at the counter and he turned away from me. 734 00:35:26,090 --> 00:35:29,093 And I could see he was really upset. 735 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,896 The scene never made it into the film. 736 00:35:31,963 --> 00:35:33,831 And I said.. 737 00:35:33,898 --> 00:35:35,867 "Why would you.. 738 00:35:35,933 --> 00:35:38,569 "Why would you turn away the envelope? 739 00:35:38,636 --> 00:35:41,672 "We know they would come your way 740 00:35:41,739 --> 00:35:45,710 if you put this obvious beautifully played scene." 741 00:35:45,776 --> 00:35:50,148 And, uh, he assessed it as "Not right." 742 00:35:51,782 --> 00:35:56,387 The director assessed it as "Not right" for the film. 743 00:35:56,454 --> 00:36:02,927 Where the actor might've wanted all the...accolades. 744 00:36:02,994 --> 00:36:04,595 And roll it! 745 00:36:04,662 --> 00:36:06,097 (male #4) 'Call it in.' 746 00:36:06,164 --> 00:36:10,001 For a man, especially a man who walks in our business 747 00:36:10,067 --> 00:36:12,570 with the persona that he owns 748 00:36:12,637 --> 00:36:15,473 to rip open his chest that way. 749 00:36:15,540 --> 00:36:17,909 But he felt, for the film.. 750 00:36:17,975 --> 00:36:20,044 ...it was best that it not be there. 751 00:36:20,111 --> 00:36:24,949 That's, that's a really seer kind of intelligence 752 00:36:25,016 --> 00:36:28,886 and a willingness to be.. 753 00:36:28,953 --> 00:36:30,454 ...cold about your own work. 754 00:36:30,521 --> 00:36:32,190 Well, ego.. 755 00:36:32,256 --> 00:36:33,758 Well, it kills all of us. 756 00:36:33,824 --> 00:36:37,061 Certainly in terms of creativity. 757 00:36:37,128 --> 00:36:39,297 Because you have to let things go. 758 00:36:39,363 --> 00:36:41,399 Sometimes in letting something go 759 00:36:41,465 --> 00:36:46,204 you find something really lovely, brilliant and creative. 760 00:36:46,270 --> 00:36:50,041 And it may not be something really big 761 00:36:50,107 --> 00:36:53,811 but...something will replace it. 762 00:36:53,878 --> 00:36:57,782 And he doesn't wanna miss that fresh moment 763 00:36:57,848 --> 00:37:03,888 of anguish, humor, mistake that turns out to be fantastic. 764 00:37:03,955 --> 00:37:05,323 The stumble you might do 765 00:37:05,389 --> 00:37:07,258 that says everything about your character. 766 00:37:07,325 --> 00:37:08,693 He loves that stuff! 767 00:37:08,759 --> 00:37:10,728 Once in a while you get a surge. 768 00:37:10,795 --> 00:37:14,098 You get a little surge of two or three scripts in a row 769 00:37:14,165 --> 00:37:16,601 and you think you'd like to do all of them. 770 00:37:16,667 --> 00:37:20,404 In the early 2000's, I...as fast as I'd finish one picture 771 00:37:20,471 --> 00:37:23,341 I'd, uh, somebody'd give me another script that I like. 772 00:37:23,407 --> 00:37:25,676 So, sometimes I'd be preparing one I liked 773 00:37:25,743 --> 00:37:27,645 and I was editing one I also liked. 774 00:37:27,712 --> 00:37:30,748 I kinda went through that when I was doing "Mystic River" 775 00:37:30,815 --> 00:37:32,717 we were working in the editorial room 776 00:37:32,783 --> 00:37:35,186 at the same time I'm reading "Million Dollar Baby" 777 00:37:35,253 --> 00:37:36,854 and I liked that, so.. 778 00:37:36,921 --> 00:37:39,156 Yeah, I'll do that, I'll do that next, so.. 779 00:37:39,223 --> 00:37:41,158 I'm preparing one as I'm starting another 780 00:37:41,225 --> 00:37:43,160 and I went through a little period like that. 781 00:37:43,227 --> 00:37:47,231 (Marcia Gay Harden) The first reason to want to do "Mystic River" for me 782 00:37:47,298 --> 00:37:50,468 was Clint. I love the idea of directors who have 783 00:37:50,534 --> 00:37:52,370 a kind of continuity with their actors. 784 00:37:52,436 --> 00:37:55,606 (Kevin Bacon) You know, one thing that was really, really different 785 00:37:55,673 --> 00:37:57,808 was that he expected all of the performers 786 00:37:57,875 --> 00:38:00,745 to have done our homework 787 00:38:00,811 --> 00:38:04,181 and to come to work ready to go. 788 00:38:04,248 --> 00:38:06,083 You're not gonna have rehearsal 789 00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:07,818 and you're not gonna maybe go through 790 00:38:07,885 --> 00:38:12,890 the same sort of process that you've now come to expect. 791 00:38:12,957 --> 00:38:15,760 You know, "I'm gonna have endless conversations 792 00:38:15,826 --> 00:38:17,928 "with the director or the writer 793 00:38:17,995 --> 00:38:22,366 about my character and you know, with Clint.. 794 00:38:22,433 --> 00:38:24,001 ...you know, I had one conversation. 795 00:38:24,068 --> 00:38:26,637 He once came up to me and Lawrence 796 00:38:26,704 --> 00:38:29,807 and said "That's good, you guys. Little faster." 797 00:38:31,242 --> 00:38:34,045 And, I was like "Wow, I think that's the first piece 798 00:38:34,111 --> 00:38:37,882 of direction I got." And that could've been the last. 799 00:38:37,948 --> 00:38:39,283 Little faster. 800 00:38:39,350 --> 00:38:41,952 If you look at "Mystic River" it's even more impressive 801 00:38:42,019 --> 00:38:45,389 because almost everything you see in that is first take. 802 00:38:45,456 --> 00:38:47,058 Well, let's call it creativity 803 00:38:47,124 --> 00:38:49,727 because that's, I think, that's what it is. 804 00:38:49,794 --> 00:38:52,229 That's his form of creativity 805 00:38:52,296 --> 00:38:54,799 that he understands that many times 806 00:38:54,865 --> 00:38:57,134 on a first take you'll get something fresh 807 00:38:57,201 --> 00:39:00,638 that you wouldn't get on Take 8 or 9 or whatever. 808 00:39:00,705 --> 00:39:05,743 There's real respect for imagination and the hard work. 809 00:39:05,810 --> 00:39:09,080 But there's no "Let's just go again. 810 00:39:09,146 --> 00:39:11,916 Twelve more times, just to see what happens." 811 00:39:11,982 --> 00:39:13,918 For a certain kinds of actors 812 00:39:13,984 --> 00:39:17,688 that's the best kind of vote of confidence. 813 00:39:17,755 --> 00:39:19,423 And so all of us.. 814 00:39:19,490 --> 00:39:21,392 ...me and Sean and Kevin 815 00:39:21,459 --> 00:39:26,997 and Lawrence and Marcia Gay and Laura, we were scared. 816 00:39:27,064 --> 00:39:28,766 We didn't wanna be out there 817 00:39:28,833 --> 00:39:31,936 with that one take that sucked, you know. 818 00:39:32,002 --> 00:39:35,206 So...we all practiced. 819 00:39:35,272 --> 00:39:36,841 When he wants one more take 820 00:39:36,907 --> 00:39:39,643 it's gonna cause tremendous panic in the room. 821 00:39:39,710 --> 00:39:42,780 There's five actors in the room and he wants one more take. 822 00:39:42,847 --> 00:39:44,582 They're all probably looking at each other.. 823 00:39:44,648 --> 00:39:47,685 "What did I do? Why does he want one more take? 824 00:39:47,752 --> 00:39:49,353 He always walks away after two." 825 00:39:49,420 --> 00:39:51,288 If Clint wants one more take 826 00:39:51,355 --> 00:39:53,557 that third take everybody's gonna be their best 827 00:39:53,624 --> 00:39:56,627 they've ever been in their careers...to please him. 828 00:39:56,694 --> 00:39:58,496 I'm not going anywhere! 829 00:39:58,562 --> 00:40:01,332 (Jimmy Markum) 'Is that my daughter in there?' 830 00:40:01,399 --> 00:40:03,701 (Martin Scorsese) "Mystic River" is a very sad film. 831 00:40:03,768 --> 00:40:06,804 A dark world in which vengeance has to be taken. 832 00:40:06,871 --> 00:40:09,140 It's like the tragedy of the everyday. 833 00:40:09,206 --> 00:40:11,742 People's lives, the ones that are on the periphery.. 834 00:40:11,809 --> 00:40:14,879 ...the ones we don't hear about. 835 00:40:14,945 --> 00:40:16,447 Get in. 836 00:40:19,450 --> 00:40:21,786 'Get inside.' 837 00:40:21,852 --> 00:40:25,322 (Tim Robbins) I grew up in a tough neighborhood in New York City 838 00:40:25,389 --> 00:40:29,160 and that kinda situation they went through.. 839 00:40:29,226 --> 00:40:31,695 ...was omnipresent pretty much. 840 00:40:31,762 --> 00:40:35,433 I had friends that had been molested as kids. 841 00:40:35,499 --> 00:40:38,569 And you see the decay that happens from the start. 842 00:40:38,636 --> 00:40:40,504 That ultimately is a most horrific crime 843 00:40:40,571 --> 00:40:44,375 because it's a crime that visits itself upon the victim 844 00:40:44,442 --> 00:40:47,111 over a course of his entire life. 845 00:40:47,178 --> 00:40:49,647 In the case of "Mystic River".. 846 00:40:49,713 --> 00:40:51,449 ...that does, that's a transgression.. 847 00:40:51,515 --> 00:40:54,985 that's...incomprehensible. 848 00:40:55,052 --> 00:41:00,157 (Marcia Gay Harden) He lets you find what you wanna do. 849 00:41:00,224 --> 00:41:02,193 You think you're doing it on your own.. 850 00:41:02,259 --> 00:41:06,497 ...but it's within a very clear structure that he already has. 851 00:41:06,564 --> 00:41:09,333 (Kevin Bacon) One of the basic things that's great about him 852 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,670 is there's a lot of stuff we've gotten used to kind of doing. 853 00:41:12,736 --> 00:41:15,706 Over the years, that are the ways that we think movies 854 00:41:15,773 --> 00:41:17,408 have to be made 855 00:41:17,475 --> 00:41:21,445 and he has sort of cut away a bunch of the crap. 856 00:41:21,512 --> 00:41:25,916 (Meryl Streep) One on the secrets of his being a really good director.. 857 00:41:25,983 --> 00:41:29,353 ...is married to this.. 858 00:41:29,420 --> 00:41:31,355 ...seeming.. 859 00:41:31,422 --> 00:41:32,756 ...no pressure.. 860 00:41:32,823 --> 00:41:35,793 ...casual, easy-going.. 861 00:41:35,860 --> 00:41:37,661 ...is a deep prep. 862 00:41:37,728 --> 00:41:39,497 He has imagined the scene. 863 00:41:39,563 --> 00:41:45,836 He has scored it. He has lit it in his mind and.. 864 00:41:45,903 --> 00:41:48,906 ..all he doesn't know is what's gonna happen in it. 865 00:41:48,973 --> 00:41:53,010 (Tim Robbins) Efficiency is really something we should all aim for. 866 00:41:53,077 --> 00:41:54,945 Unfortunately we all have in our minds 867 00:41:55,012 --> 00:41:58,449 that unless you suffer some kind of consequence 868 00:41:58,516 --> 00:42:02,119 it's not ours, you know. 869 00:42:02,186 --> 00:42:04,755 I think Clint has proven that wrong. 870 00:42:04,822 --> 00:42:07,091 One thing I'll never forget is.. 871 00:42:07,157 --> 00:42:08,392 We were shooting a scene 872 00:42:08,459 --> 00:42:11,328 and Tom Stern is just a great camera man. 873 00:42:11,395 --> 00:42:13,531 He worked with Clint for a long time 874 00:42:13,597 --> 00:42:16,100 and there was very little lighting in the scene. 875 00:42:16,166 --> 00:42:18,903 It was a practical lamp sitting on a table. 876 00:42:18,969 --> 00:42:21,572 And I think there was maybe one other light. 877 00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:23,407 And we walked in. 878 00:42:23,474 --> 00:42:27,945 Clint took a look at the scene we were about to play.. 879 00:42:28,012 --> 00:42:31,448 ...and he just went over and said.. 880 00:42:31,515 --> 00:42:34,118 Just turned off one of Tom's lamps. 881 00:42:35,219 --> 00:42:37,388 Just one of his, not practical lamp 882 00:42:37,454 --> 00:42:39,490 like the big lamps and said "Okay, roll." 883 00:42:39,557 --> 00:42:43,260 And I saw Tom, he's like, you know. 884 00:42:43,327 --> 00:42:44,762 And it just, it killed me 885 00:42:44,828 --> 00:42:47,998 because I thought, you know, for his eye.. 886 00:42:48,065 --> 00:42:53,370 he knows what he needs in terms of light in this scene. 887 00:42:53,437 --> 00:42:54,972 I mostly thought to myself.. 888 00:42:55,039 --> 00:42:57,875 ...to be a cameraman and work with him 889 00:42:57,942 --> 00:43:03,380 you've got to say "Okay, that's what he wants." 890 00:43:03,447 --> 00:43:07,117 At the end of the movie you got this kind of moment 891 00:43:07,184 --> 00:43:09,553 where, Sean Penn's character looks at me 892 00:43:09,620 --> 00:43:11,322 and he's kind of across the street 893 00:43:11,388 --> 00:43:14,158 and there's a parade. I said, "What is this? 894 00:43:14,224 --> 00:43:16,126 What's goin' on here? What this about?" 895 00:43:16,193 --> 00:43:20,764 He wouldn't tell me, you know. He wouldn't tell me. 896 00:43:20,831 --> 00:43:23,634 So...which is fine. 897 00:43:23,701 --> 00:43:27,438 Because then I go, "Okay, if you're not gonna tell me 898 00:43:27,504 --> 00:43:30,441 then I'll just have to make somethin' up." 899 00:43:30,507 --> 00:43:33,010 When I asked him, he said that's gonna be.. 900 00:43:33,077 --> 00:43:36,013 ...up to the audience to decide. 901 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:40,651 When people have asked me, I've sort of respected that wish. 902 00:43:40,718 --> 00:43:43,020 And said, "I guess I'll keep that to myself." 903 00:43:43,087 --> 00:43:46,123 It's not too, not too often that you are able to take 904 00:43:46,190 --> 00:43:48,859 something like that, and you just kind of hold it. 905 00:43:48,926 --> 00:43:51,362 You know, so I'm taking that to my grave. 906 00:43:51,428 --> 00:43:53,864 When we got to the end of "Mystic River" 907 00:43:53,931 --> 00:43:56,133 it was supposed to be a 9-week shoot 908 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,403 and it only took seven weeks, and I was really disappointed 909 00:43:59,470 --> 00:44:00,838 that the movie was done. 910 00:44:00,904 --> 00:44:02,806 I was like, I was really.. 911 00:44:02,873 --> 00:44:04,775 "Why can't we do those extra two weeks?" 912 00:44:04,842 --> 00:44:07,344 Because it was so great, and such a great experience 913 00:44:07,411 --> 00:44:09,980 and such a, you know, kinda reinvention.. 914 00:44:10,047 --> 00:44:14,084 for me about the way you could make a film. 915 00:44:14,151 --> 00:44:15,886 (Brian Grazer) The movie with Angelina Jolie. 916 00:44:15,953 --> 00:44:18,288 That was the first time I worked with him. 917 00:44:18,355 --> 00:44:20,190 First I was scared to call him. 918 00:44:20,257 --> 00:44:23,327 Ron Howard and I were gonna call. We called him together. 919 00:44:23,394 --> 00:44:24,962 And we're both on separate lines. 920 00:44:25,029 --> 00:44:27,097 I've never called Clint Eastwood in my life. 921 00:44:27,164 --> 00:44:29,933 And I thought, "I've got to know him a little bit." 922 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,403 "There's some kind of tiny bond that we have." 923 00:44:32,469 --> 00:44:36,073 So we called him, got him on the phone and pitched him the movie. 924 00:44:36,140 --> 00:44:40,577 And he said, "Let me take a look at it." 925 00:44:40,644 --> 00:44:44,148 And then few weeks went by and he called me. 926 00:44:44,214 --> 00:44:46,550 And I was actually at Steven Spielberg's house. 927 00:44:46,617 --> 00:44:50,054 And he called through my office and I got him on the cell. 928 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,289 And he said "I think I'm interested." 929 00:44:52,356 --> 00:44:54,458 And I just thought, got off the phone 930 00:44:54,525 --> 00:44:57,494 and I said, "Oh my god! Ron, Steven, this is amazing!" 931 00:44:57,561 --> 00:44:58,662 "Clint Eastwood's gonna direct it." 932 00:44:58,729 --> 00:45:01,331 I think he's gonna direct a movie of mine. 933 00:45:01,398 --> 00:45:03,333 And I was just really thrilled. 934 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,803 We out on the street and high-fived each other. 935 00:45:05,869 --> 00:45:07,871 Every day you learn something from Clint. 936 00:45:07,938 --> 00:45:10,140 You know, just the way a set is run. 937 00:45:10,207 --> 00:45:12,176 The way a director can talk to people. 938 00:45:12,242 --> 00:45:14,578 The way he can get performances out of people. 939 00:45:14,645 --> 00:45:16,013 The way you cannot get 940 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,582 bogged down in details that are not gonna make 941 00:45:18,649 --> 00:45:20,017 the movie any better. 942 00:45:20,084 --> 00:45:22,152 You watch him work and it seems 943 00:45:22,219 --> 00:45:23,954 sort of simplistic. 944 00:45:24,021 --> 00:45:27,057 It's a sort of a seductive diffidence. 945 00:45:27,124 --> 00:45:29,126 He sits back.. 946 00:45:29,193 --> 00:45:32,730 ...and doesn't seem that invested in 947 00:45:32,796 --> 00:45:36,567 judging its freedom that you really wanna feel. 948 00:45:36,633 --> 00:45:39,269 That's something that the actors feel. 949 00:45:39,336 --> 00:45:42,005 And the crew does not feel that. 950 00:45:42,072 --> 00:45:43,707 I'm just going to tell you 951 00:45:43,774 --> 00:45:46,977 the crew is in a different kind of vice. 952 00:45:47,044 --> 00:45:48,746 Because he's so 953 00:45:48,812 --> 00:45:52,449 invested in making the thing have momentum 954 00:45:52,516 --> 00:45:54,818 and move quickly and organically. 955 00:45:54,885 --> 00:45:58,422 When he feels that he has the scene.. 956 00:45:58,489 --> 00:46:00,691 ...credibly, authentically.. 957 00:46:00,758 --> 00:46:02,860 ...made by the actors. 958 00:46:02,926 --> 00:46:05,195 He'll move on and.. 959 00:46:05,262 --> 00:46:07,731 ...it strikes terror into his crew. 960 00:46:07,798 --> 00:46:09,433 And so they come. 961 00:46:09,500 --> 00:46:12,402 And they're on their very.. 962 00:46:12,469 --> 00:46:15,472 ...tiptoes to be ready for anything that might happen. 963 00:46:15,539 --> 00:46:19,743 Clint has for years kept his crew 964 00:46:19,810 --> 00:46:23,113 together and-and it's a familiarity. 965 00:46:23,180 --> 00:46:26,850 It's also he knows what to expect. 966 00:46:26,917 --> 00:46:30,554 He even says, "I hire the people I feel are right for the jobs." 967 00:46:30,621 --> 00:46:32,089 He lets them do their job. 968 00:46:32,156 --> 00:46:34,792 He gets out of the way is what he says. 969 00:46:34,858 --> 00:46:36,593 He comes to the set 970 00:46:36,660 --> 00:46:38,495 and usually they start around 9 o'clock. 971 00:46:38,562 --> 00:46:40,063 Everyone's prepared. 972 00:46:40,130 --> 00:46:43,367 You got a good night's rest. You do your work. 973 00:46:43,433 --> 00:46:46,336 How are we going home by 2 o'clock in the afternoon? 974 00:46:46,403 --> 00:46:47,738 How is that possible? 975 00:46:47,805 --> 00:46:50,574 (Marcia Gay Harden) Clint cares about the people 976 00:46:50,641 --> 00:46:53,877 with whom he's working. It's, it's a, it is a family. 977 00:46:53,944 --> 00:46:57,114 He really respects and admires and loves his crews. 978 00:46:57,181 --> 00:46:59,516 (Marcia Gay Harden) He gets that a crew spends 979 00:46:59,583 --> 00:47:04,555 12 to 13 to 14 to 15, come on 16 to whatever hours. 980 00:47:04,621 --> 00:47:07,357 And at the expense of their own families. 981 00:47:07,424 --> 00:47:09,626 So on "Space Cowboys" 982 00:47:09,693 --> 00:47:13,931 Friday, Clint would have steak and lobster for the crew 983 00:47:13,997 --> 00:47:16,967 from the catering and after lunch you went home. 984 00:47:17,034 --> 00:47:19,236 We had to finish by four so we could 985 00:47:19,303 --> 00:47:21,839 get on the golf course because.. 986 00:47:21,905 --> 00:47:24,741 ...had to get that one shot you can never get. 987 00:47:24,808 --> 00:47:27,277 I was sitting in the trailer one day 988 00:47:27,344 --> 00:47:29,913 and, uh, it was lunch and one of the PA's 989 00:47:29,980 --> 00:47:32,683 came up and said lunch, I thought they were gonna say 990 00:47:32,749 --> 00:47:36,119 "What would you guys like?" And instead Clint said, "Let's go." 991 00:47:36,186 --> 00:47:39,256 And there's a long lunch line and 992 00:47:39,323 --> 00:47:41,558 usually an actor or a director 993 00:47:41,625 --> 00:47:44,828 will go to their trailer and their food is brought to them 994 00:47:44,895 --> 00:47:46,730 or already waiting for them. 995 00:47:46,797 --> 00:47:49,299 We walked over to where the catering trucks were 996 00:47:49,366 --> 00:47:50,868 and he picked up a tray.. 997 00:47:50,934 --> 00:47:52,269 And Clint was 998 00:47:52,336 --> 00:47:55,105 you know behind, I don't know, 20 people. 999 00:47:55,172 --> 00:47:59,610 And he wouldn't even think of cutting in front of anybody. 1000 00:47:59,676 --> 00:48:03,780 I just thought, "Oh. That's why 1001 00:48:03,847 --> 00:48:08,418 he gets people to work with him time and time again." 1002 00:48:08,485 --> 00:48:11,154 He's like, "They gotta eat too. We're all eatin'." 1003 00:48:11,221 --> 00:48:13,824 There's no bodyguards. There's no coterie. 1004 00:48:13,891 --> 00:48:15,659 There's no pomp and circumstance. 1005 00:48:15,726 --> 00:48:19,696 It said so much in that one moment about who he is. 1006 00:48:22,132 --> 00:48:25,002 You're wasting your time. Told you I don't train girls. 1007 00:48:25,068 --> 00:48:27,037 Thought you might change your mind. 1008 00:48:27,104 --> 00:48:29,039 There's dozens of trainers who train girls. 1009 00:48:29,106 --> 00:48:30,741 You won't have any trouble finding one. 1010 00:48:30,807 --> 00:48:33,443 Don't hardly need a dozen, boss. You'll do fine. 1011 00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:37,080 I remember reading it and 1012 00:48:37,147 --> 00:48:39,850 from page one to the end 1013 00:48:39,917 --> 00:48:41,618 I thought it was perfect. 1014 00:48:41,685 --> 00:48:44,521 Later into the process I heard that Clint was 1015 00:48:44,588 --> 00:48:47,658 not only wanting to star in it, but wanting to direct it. 1016 00:48:47,724 --> 00:48:50,160 And I was asked to take a meeting. 1017 00:48:50,227 --> 00:48:52,496 We sat and we talked for about an hour. 1018 00:48:52,562 --> 00:48:55,198 We talked about the movie, we talked about my background. 1019 00:48:55,265 --> 00:48:57,067 He asked if I was an athlete. 1020 00:48:57,134 --> 00:48:58,936 We chatted a bit about "Mystic River" 1021 00:48:59,002 --> 00:49:01,838 which had just gotten nominated. 1022 00:49:01,905 --> 00:49:04,274 I remember actually something he said at that time 1023 00:49:04,341 --> 00:49:06,009 which has always stayed with me. 1024 00:49:06,076 --> 00:49:08,812 I congratulated him and he said 1025 00:49:08,879 --> 00:49:12,082 "You always aim for the bull's eye but don't always hit it. 1026 00:49:12,149 --> 00:49:15,719 So it's a nice thing when it works out." 1027 00:49:15,786 --> 00:49:18,488 And at the end of the meeting 1028 00:49:18,555 --> 00:49:21,692 he said, "Well, you better start trainin'." 1029 00:49:21,758 --> 00:49:24,962 - ...boxing with me right? - Yeah. She'll come and she'll.. 1030 00:49:25,028 --> 00:49:26,897 - Yeah, and move around.. - And move around.. 1031 00:49:26,964 --> 00:49:30,334 If anyone had directed "Million Dollar Baby" 1032 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,936 I don't think it would've gotten much notice at all. 1033 00:49:33,003 --> 00:49:35,939 Everybody has their own ideas about what 1034 00:49:36,006 --> 00:49:37,708 a, a movie should be. 1035 00:49:37,774 --> 00:49:41,478 And I suppose executives here or elsewhere 1036 00:49:41,545 --> 00:49:45,015 have ideas about what their studio should be making. 1037 00:49:45,082 --> 00:49:47,918 There were several pictures in a row there that 1038 00:49:47,985 --> 00:49:49,686 studio here had doubts about. 1039 00:49:49,753 --> 00:49:52,122 And one of them was "Million Dollar Baby" 1040 00:49:54,424 --> 00:49:56,526 (Paul Haggis) It's a boxing movie. 1041 00:49:56,593 --> 00:49:57,928 It's a girl boxing movie. 1042 00:49:57,995 --> 00:50:01,498 It's a girl boxing movie about a woman who wants to kill herself 1043 00:50:01,565 --> 00:50:04,868 in the end. I mean, who would see that film? But.. 1044 00:50:04,935 --> 00:50:06,403 ...make it a Clint Eastwood movie 1045 00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:08,005 and people are really curious. 1046 00:50:08,071 --> 00:50:10,540 (Clint) It could've easily been a terrible flop. 1047 00:50:10,607 --> 00:50:13,076 All movies can easily be a terrible flop. 1048 00:50:13,143 --> 00:50:15,645 And good movies don't always do well 1049 00:50:15,712 --> 00:50:18,215 and bad movies sometimes do great. 1050 00:50:18,281 --> 00:50:21,284 So there's no rule, there's no rule you can follow. 1051 00:50:21,351 --> 00:50:23,587 Everybody thinks there's a rule and everybody thinks 1052 00:50:23,653 --> 00:50:26,390 they've got the answer, but.. 1053 00:50:26,456 --> 00:50:28,825 ...nobody has the answer. 1054 00:50:28,892 --> 00:50:31,361 Got any family, boss? 1055 00:50:31,428 --> 00:50:34,731 Well, I've got a daughter, Katie. 1056 00:50:34,798 --> 00:50:36,466 That's family. 1057 00:50:36,533 --> 00:50:38,535 We're not exactly close. 1058 00:50:38,602 --> 00:50:42,406 I approached it like it was a father-daughter love story. 1059 00:50:42,472 --> 00:50:44,341 It was the daughter he never had. 1060 00:50:44,408 --> 00:50:46,810 And the father she never had. 1061 00:50:46,877 --> 00:50:49,246 Actually it makes me emotional talking about it 1062 00:50:49,312 --> 00:50:55,919 because it's exactly how our relationship evolved as 1063 00:50:55,986 --> 00:50:58,188 director-actor, actor 1064 00:50:58,255 --> 00:51:01,892 um, and then how it built into a friendship. 1065 00:51:01,958 --> 00:51:03,693 (Clint) She was successful. 1066 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,762 But also it caused the tragedy 1067 00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:08,432 the picture eventually takes on. 1068 00:51:21,778 --> 00:51:23,480 We didn't shoot in 1069 00:51:23,547 --> 00:51:26,983 right in order, but we did do the hospital stuff at the end 1070 00:51:27,050 --> 00:51:30,020 which was good because that was when my body was deteriorating 1071 00:51:30,087 --> 00:51:31,888 and I stopped training. 1072 00:51:31,955 --> 00:51:35,192 I'm gonna disconnect your air machine. 1073 00:51:35,258 --> 00:51:37,694 And you're gonna go to sleep. 1074 00:51:37,761 --> 00:51:41,031 And I'll give you a shot and you'll.. 1075 00:51:41,098 --> 00:51:42,666 ...stay asleep. 1076 00:51:42,732 --> 00:51:46,536 And just at that point we had gotten to this closeness 1077 00:51:46,603 --> 00:51:50,707 in our relationship that I think helped with all of that 1078 00:51:50,774 --> 00:51:53,577 and Clint has a very special place in my heart. 1079 00:51:55,645 --> 00:51:57,013 Mo chuisle. 1080 00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,116 Means "my darling." 1081 00:51:59,182 --> 00:52:00,417 My blood. 1082 00:52:00,484 --> 00:52:05,021 You know, in this world we need people who believe in us. 1083 00:52:05,088 --> 00:52:07,290 And Clint believed in me 1084 00:52:07,357 --> 00:52:09,493 just like Frankie believed in Maggie. 1085 00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:11,962 And he gave me that gift. 1086 00:52:12,028 --> 00:52:14,564 And it was an extraordinary feeling 1087 00:52:14,631 --> 00:52:17,234 to have that support and that confidence behind you. 1088 00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:21,338 If I had to be done tomorrow and I could never do it again 1089 00:52:21,404 --> 00:52:23,874 having the experience with him 1090 00:52:23,940 --> 00:52:26,143 would make it okay. 1091 00:52:26,209 --> 00:52:29,379 He'll read a script and he'll say, um 1092 00:52:29,446 --> 00:52:31,381 "Yeah, this could be an interesting little picture." 1093 00:52:31,448 --> 00:52:33,884 If you give him something, he'll read it right away. 1094 00:52:33,950 --> 00:52:38,655 Which is really not something you can easily say about most 1095 00:52:38,722 --> 00:52:40,757 gigantic filmmakers. 1096 00:52:40,824 --> 00:52:43,293 They don't really know if they want to do it. 1097 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,897 You could wait months and years to find if they want to do it. 1098 00:52:46,963 --> 00:52:49,599 Clint Eastwood tells you early on, you're in, you're out. 1099 00:52:49,666 --> 00:52:51,401 Maybe I'm a little more decisive. 1100 00:52:51,468 --> 00:52:54,404 I think that happens as you get, as you get 1101 00:52:54,471 --> 00:52:56,640 more miles on the trail. 1102 00:52:56,706 --> 00:53:00,043 There isn't a gray area where you'll talk him into anything. 1103 00:53:00,110 --> 00:53:02,546 And the older you get, I think there's something about 1104 00:53:02,612 --> 00:53:06,383 you know, get to a certain age and what can they do to you? 1105 00:53:06,449 --> 00:53:07,784 Not much. 1106 00:53:07,851 --> 00:53:10,620 I wish I had that low-stress approach 1107 00:53:10,687 --> 00:53:11,922 to finding material. 1108 00:53:11,988 --> 00:53:14,891 In the case of "Gran Torino" from the point he said 1109 00:53:14,958 --> 00:53:17,961 I like it to the point it was on movie screens was 1110 00:53:18,028 --> 00:53:21,665 less than a year which could be a record for a studio picture. 1111 00:53:21,731 --> 00:53:24,768 - Get off my lawn. - Listen, old man. 1112 00:53:24,834 --> 00:53:27,971 I said get off my lawn now. 1113 00:53:28,038 --> 00:53:30,707 I'm not gonna say it again, go in the freakin' house. 1114 00:53:30,774 --> 00:53:34,444 I go in that house after I've blown a hole in your head. 1115 00:53:34,511 --> 00:53:36,780 And I sleep like a baby. 1116 00:53:36,846 --> 00:53:38,748 He doesn't want anything to do with anybody 1117 00:53:38,815 --> 00:53:41,885 and specially people that are different than he is. 1118 00:53:41,952 --> 00:53:44,854 He's a guy who is very very disturbed 1119 00:53:44,921 --> 00:53:46,389 about the way culture has gone. 1120 00:53:46,456 --> 00:53:49,826 He's had a loss in the family, and, uh 1121 00:53:49,893 --> 00:53:52,862 he's estranged from his grown children. 1122 00:53:52,929 --> 00:53:54,965 And he's, uh, he doesn't like the way 1123 00:53:55,031 --> 00:53:56,366 the neighborhoods have changed. 1124 00:53:56,433 --> 00:54:01,204 This character seemed like the same age as I am. 1125 00:54:01,271 --> 00:54:04,708 I'm not the same curmudgeonly, I'm not quite as, uh 1126 00:54:04,774 --> 00:54:07,644 I'm not quite as, uh.. 1127 00:54:07,711 --> 00:54:09,946 ...as negative as, as the character. 1128 00:54:10,013 --> 00:54:11,414 It's always interesting to me 1129 00:54:11,481 --> 00:54:13,817 as people get older the work they do. 1130 00:54:13,883 --> 00:54:15,118 There's a different rhythm. 1131 00:54:15,185 --> 00:54:17,554 The writer, the actors 1132 00:54:17,621 --> 00:54:19,189 and him. 1133 00:54:19,256 --> 00:54:20,924 (Clint) I think some movies 1134 00:54:20,991 --> 00:54:23,260 exceed your expectations 1135 00:54:23,326 --> 00:54:26,763 and others disappoint your expectations. 1136 00:54:26,830 --> 00:54:29,032 If you fail on your own terms 1137 00:54:29,099 --> 00:54:33,236 then at least you fail with your heads held high. 1138 00:54:33,303 --> 00:54:36,840 But if you fail on somebody else's terms 1139 00:54:36,906 --> 00:54:39,342 you're gonna hate yourself forever. 1140 00:54:39,409 --> 00:54:42,012 "Invictus", I thought more people would know 1141 00:54:42,078 --> 00:54:43,213 about Nelson Mandela 1142 00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,215 and be interested in Nelson Mandela 1143 00:54:45,282 --> 00:54:47,984 and how he governed when he took over the country 1144 00:54:48,051 --> 00:54:51,588 which is an interesting lesson in today's world. 1145 00:54:51,655 --> 00:54:53,723 Generations pass and.. 1146 00:54:53,790 --> 00:54:56,893 ...and they forget all about him. 1147 00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:01,097 At least Americans do, but Americans move on fast 1148 00:55:01,164 --> 00:55:02,632 to other things. 1149 00:55:04,901 --> 00:55:08,738 Now, push it towards him. Push it. There you go. 1150 00:55:08,805 --> 00:55:11,708 If the stories are becoming more complicated 1151 00:55:11,775 --> 00:55:15,145 the style doesn't. That's the difference. 1152 00:55:15,211 --> 00:55:17,414 If he's searching for more in a story 1153 00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,250 I mean he still has the ability to hold back 1154 00:55:20,317 --> 00:55:22,619 and not be intrusive to the image. 1155 00:55:22,686 --> 00:55:25,588 Other directors are intrusive to the image and it's wonderful. 1156 00:55:25,655 --> 00:55:27,624 This guy just doesn't wanna do that. 1157 00:55:27,691 --> 00:55:29,359 The style's in the same way. 1158 00:55:29,426 --> 00:55:31,094 Ultimately that leads to 1159 00:55:31,161 --> 00:55:34,331 the film that he made last year which is "J. Edgar." 1160 00:55:35,231 --> 00:55:37,233 Blow it down. 1161 00:55:37,300 --> 00:55:39,569 (Brian Grazer) On "J. Edgar" what I did is 1162 00:55:39,636 --> 00:55:41,638 I, I'd already had a relationship with him 1163 00:55:41,705 --> 00:55:44,341 because I had produced "The Changeling." 1164 00:55:44,407 --> 00:55:47,143 And I felt that we had a bond. 1165 00:55:47,210 --> 00:55:50,246 And that he trusted me, you know, just man to man. 1166 00:55:50,313 --> 00:55:53,149 I felt Clint might be interested 'cause it was an era 1167 00:55:53,216 --> 00:55:57,087 that he knows, it's about power dynamics. 1168 00:55:57,153 --> 00:56:00,357 It's about a complicated man. 1169 00:56:00,423 --> 00:56:03,626 Mr. Chairman, I urge passage of the Lindbergh law 1170 00:56:03,693 --> 00:56:06,296 making kidnapping a federal offense. 1171 00:56:06,363 --> 00:56:09,165 To immediately deliver all fingerprints in this country 1172 00:56:09,232 --> 00:56:13,136 to my office, so that we may create a central file. 1173 00:56:13,203 --> 00:56:15,138 To help arm our agents 1174 00:56:15,205 --> 00:56:16,873 so that they have a fighting chance 1175 00:56:16,940 --> 00:56:19,642 against the submachine guns of some of the most 1176 00:56:19,709 --> 00:56:21,945 dangerous characters in the history 1177 00:56:22,011 --> 00:56:23,546 of American criminality. 1178 00:56:23,613 --> 00:56:25,982 It's also sort of an American tragedy as well 1179 00:56:26,049 --> 00:56:27,784 because J. Edgar 1180 00:56:27,851 --> 00:56:30,086 created, formed the FBI 1181 00:56:30,153 --> 00:56:33,923 and he died a very lonely death. 1182 00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:36,226 You know for me it's like, uh 1183 00:56:36,292 --> 00:56:38,328 Pablo Casals playing 1184 00:56:38,395 --> 00:56:41,664 cello in a room by himself towards the end of his life. 1185 00:56:41,731 --> 00:56:44,033 That's how it sort of enveloped me. 1186 00:56:44,100 --> 00:56:46,503 It went into his very 1187 00:56:46,569 --> 00:56:50,106 essence, his being, in a way, and it was very 1188 00:56:50,173 --> 00:56:53,042 subversive because it sucked you in. 1189 00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:55,311 Before you realize, you didn't wanna leave the room 1190 00:56:55,378 --> 00:56:58,815 but you don't like the guy, but you're not leaving. 1191 00:56:58,882 --> 00:57:01,651 I've been with the bureau for seven years, Edgar. 1192 00:57:01,718 --> 00:57:05,155 - Almost as long as you. - No. 1193 00:57:05,221 --> 00:57:07,157 You were with the old bureau seven years 1194 00:57:07,223 --> 00:57:11,528 and that bureau is now gone, sir. And so are you. 1195 00:57:11,594 --> 00:57:14,697 Um, I was a little surprised that more people didn't see it. 1196 00:57:14,764 --> 00:57:16,533 So many pictures that people haven't gotten 1197 00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:18,001 and 10 years later they get them. 1198 00:57:18,067 --> 00:57:21,204 Biographical films, we've seen a lot of them over the years. 1199 00:57:21,271 --> 00:57:22,872 Some of 'em work and some don't. 1200 00:57:22,939 --> 00:57:26,009 There's no doubt, I think this one has a depth to it 1201 00:57:26,075 --> 00:57:28,645 and a staying power, that most people calm down 1202 00:57:28,711 --> 00:57:31,881 a little bit and try to see what the hell it was. 1203 00:57:31,948 --> 00:57:33,149 They'll come around to it. 1204 00:57:33,216 --> 00:57:35,351 Lot of times you find material that's interesting 1205 00:57:35,418 --> 00:57:38,288 and the public doesn't find it interesting at all. 1206 00:57:38,354 --> 00:57:40,457 But that's horseracing, you're still doing it 1207 00:57:40,523 --> 00:57:41,958 from what interests you. 1208 00:57:42,025 --> 00:57:44,527 And if you're out of sync with the public 1209 00:57:44,594 --> 00:57:48,398 that happens to everybody at some point. 1210 00:57:48,465 --> 00:57:51,367 But, uh, you just 1211 00:57:51,434 --> 00:57:54,070 you know, the old song, you know, pick yourself up 1212 00:57:54,137 --> 00:57:56,339 and right go back in the race. 1213 00:57:56,406 --> 00:57:57,874 Any criticism to Clint 1214 00:57:57,941 --> 00:58:01,211 you know, came under in the early part of his career. 1215 00:58:01,277 --> 00:58:04,080 You know, you mentioned Pauline Kael and others. 1216 00:58:04,147 --> 00:58:05,815 You know, he's had the last laugh. 1217 00:58:05,882 --> 00:58:08,885 So we're talking and he says "To tell you the truth 1218 00:58:08,952 --> 00:58:11,154 I still don't think I've done my best work." 1219 00:58:11,221 --> 00:58:14,390 I think the strength and the power come from 1220 00:58:14,457 --> 00:58:17,060 his gigantic desire 1221 00:58:17,126 --> 00:58:21,331 to, um, to be and stay relevant. 1222 00:58:21,397 --> 00:58:24,100 That is to me what differentiates him 1223 00:58:24,167 --> 00:58:26,302 from guys who really only want to sit around 1224 00:58:26,369 --> 00:58:29,405 talk how great that movie they did or this movie ba-ba-ba. 1225 00:58:29,472 --> 00:58:32,242 You know, Clint's still in the hunt. 1226 00:58:32,308 --> 00:58:34,043 You don't wanna be an old gummer 1227 00:58:34,110 --> 00:58:35,144 who's sittin' around talkin' about 1228 00:58:35,211 --> 00:58:38,047 how things were so much great in the old days. 1229 00:58:38,114 --> 00:58:39,782 They were great in the old days 1230 00:58:39,849 --> 00:58:41,618 but they're good on other days too. 1231 00:58:41,684 --> 00:58:43,353 It's what you make out of it. 1232 00:58:43,419 --> 00:58:46,523 I think maybe Clint is the last of the, uh 1233 00:58:46,589 --> 00:58:50,827 um, the last vestiges of the golden age of, uh 1234 00:58:50,894 --> 00:58:53,530 the Hollywood studio film. 1235 00:58:53,596 --> 00:58:56,399 He's one of the most successful filmmakers in history. 1236 00:58:56,466 --> 00:58:58,668 And he's a brilliant actor. 1237 00:58:58,735 --> 00:59:01,738 And he just continues to do his thing. 1238 00:59:01,804 --> 00:59:04,674 And, uh, you know, he's, he's laughing 1239 00:59:04,741 --> 00:59:06,376 all the way to the movies. 1240 00:59:06,442 --> 00:59:09,379 There's a body of work that will survive. 1241 00:59:09,445 --> 00:59:14,250 Some may be considered stronger or last longer than others. 1242 00:59:14,317 --> 00:59:17,520 But I think they'll always speak to 1243 00:59:17,587 --> 00:59:20,990 future generations because of the humanity of the films. 1244 00:59:21,057 --> 00:59:22,358 The ethics of the films. 1245 00:59:22,425 --> 00:59:24,260 Clint is a legend but he's not 1246 00:59:24,327 --> 00:59:26,296 carrying it around in a placard. 1247 00:59:26,362 --> 00:59:28,264 Maybe real legends don't 1248 00:59:28,331 --> 00:59:30,633 carry it around in a placard on their chest 1249 00:59:30,700 --> 00:59:33,436 saying "I'm a legend by God." 1250 00:59:33,503 --> 00:59:36,673 Wannabe legends do, but real ones don't. 1251 00:59:36,739 --> 00:59:39,142 Some days you can't remember somebody's name 1252 00:59:39,208 --> 00:59:40,843 or you can't remember something. 1253 00:59:40,910 --> 00:59:43,680 Is it because you're actually losing 1254 00:59:43,746 --> 00:59:47,116 memory and you're becoming somewhat senile? 1255 00:59:47,183 --> 00:59:50,286 Or is it because you just have 1256 00:59:50,353 --> 00:59:53,590 had so much information crammed into your brain 1257 00:59:53,656 --> 00:59:55,458 after 80 years 1258 00:59:55,525 --> 00:59:58,995 that you can't hold any more? 1259 00:59:59,062 --> 01:00:01,030 You'd like to think it's the latter. 1260 01:00:01,097 --> 01:00:02,532 But.. 1261 01:00:02,599 --> 01:00:06,069 He loves making movies, likes to make as many as he can. 1262 01:00:06,135 --> 01:00:07,370 As many movies. 1263 01:00:07,437 --> 01:00:09,539 The possibility of retirement 1264 01:00:09,606 --> 01:00:12,809 once in a while it crosses my mind and then 1265 01:00:12,875 --> 01:00:14,077 I quickly get over it. 1266 01:00:14,143 --> 01:00:17,647 Of all the people I've ever met in the business 1267 01:00:17,714 --> 01:00:22,952 he is the closest to being both 1268 01:00:23,019 --> 01:00:27,323 a creative director 1269 01:00:27,390 --> 01:00:28,858 and a human being. 1270 01:00:35,398 --> 01:00:38,267 That's it. 1271 01:00:38,334 --> 01:00:39,602 Cut. 101722

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