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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,740 How is money created? Where does it come from? Who benefits? 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,067 And what purpose does it serve? 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:16,224 What is a money system? What is the money behind the money system? 4 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:23,784 For centuries the mechanics of the money system have remained hidden from the prying eyes of the populace. 5 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:30,412 Yet its impact, both on a national and international level, is perhaps unsurpassed, 6 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:38,976 for it is the monetary system that provides the foundations for international dominance and national control. 7 00:00:43,300 --> 00:00:47,840 Today, as these very foundations are being shaken by crises, 8 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:54,272 the need for open and honest dialogue on the future of the monetary system has never been greater. 9 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:56,976 This economic crisis look like a cancer. 10 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:02,976 If you just wait and wait, thinking this is going to go away, just like a cancer it's going to grow, 11 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,976 and it's going to be too late. What I would say to everybody is, get prepared. 12 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:11,976 This is not a time right now for wishful thinking that the government is going to sort things out. 13 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:16,352 The governments don't rule the world: Goldman Sachs rules the world. 14 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:19,976 "We're on the verge of a perfect storm". 15 00:01:20,500 --> 00:01:26,968 In opposition lie corrupt and entrenched interests that lurk in the corridors of power, 16 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:31,976 for whom there are no reasons to relinquish privileges that they feel are justly deserved. 17 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:38,948 Has he got a reform plan for the NHS? [No!] Has he got a police reform plan? [No!] 18 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,267 Has he got a plan to cut the deficit? [No!] 19 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:49,280 Order! Mis order! Order! 20 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:52,667 Do you trust the government? 21 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:02,720 Try to calm down and behave like an adult, and if you can't, if it's beyond you, 22 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,776 leave the chamber. Get out. We'll manage without you! 23 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,200 "This is the banking fraternities feeding station. 24 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:16,080 There's no coincidence that boom and bust became a real cyclical issue around about the 1700's, 25 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,200 when William Paterson founded the Bank of England. 26 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:29,172 This is intolerable behaviour as far as the public... No, it's not funny! 27 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:37,544 Only in your mind is it funny. It's not funny at all, it's disgraceful. 28 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,680 One Solution, Revolution! 29 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:50,976 The system is inherently unstable as a result of the international power it provides to the dominant parties, 30 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:56,728 for at the heart of it lies the idea of; how can I get something for nothing. 31 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:03,468 Statistical analysis has found that every time an empire begins to near its own demise, 32 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,976 you'll find that its currency will be debased. 33 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,328 There is no guide to how this whole system operates. 34 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,976 To give you an example, a researcher at the BBC working on a Robert Peston documentary 35 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:19,632 went to the Bank of England and said, "Can you give me a guide to how money is created?" 36 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:21,680 And they just said, "No". 37 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:26,608 This documentary will investigate and explain this ever changing system, 38 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:31,160 and the impact it has both on a national and international level. 39 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:11,896 In 2010 the total UK money supply stood at 2.15 trillion pounds. 40 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:18,664 2.6% of this total was physical cash, 53.5 billion. 41 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:26,040 The rest, 2.1 trillion, or 97.4% of the total money supply was commercial bank money. 42 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:32,764 The 3% of money is created through the central bank 43 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:39,912 and that money essentially, if you created a �10 note you could sell that to a bank 44 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:44,976 to put into their ATM and the bank would have to repay that �10 or buy it for �10. 45 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:51,976 There would be no interest charged on that money, but that money is then essentially transferred to the Treasury 46 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:58,500 and it's a form of fundraising for the government. It's called seigniorage. 47 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:13,992 When the Bank Of England creates a �10 note, it costs it about 3 or 4 pence to actually print that note 48 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:21,920 and it sells it to a high street banks at face value, so for �10, and the profit, 49 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:28,592 the difference between printing the note and actually selling it for �10 goes directly to the treasury. 50 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:36,964 So, in effect all the profit that we get on creating physical money, bank notes, goes to the Treasury 51 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:44,928 and it reduces how much taxes we have to pay. Over the last 10 years, that's raised about �18 billion. 52 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:51,124 In 1948 notes and coins constituted 17% of the total money supply. 53 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,976 This was one contributing factor in the government's ability to finance post-war reconstruction. 54 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,867 This included the establishment of the NHS. 55 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,904 In only 60 years notes and coins have shrunk to less than 3%. 56 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:19,976 Prior to 1844 bank notes were created by private banks and the government did not profit from their creation. 57 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:26,552 Pre-industrialisation there was multiple forms of money co-existing, 58 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:33,940 and so the rise of government-sponsored fiat money is a relatively recent phenomenon. 59 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:38,976 In the 1840s there was no law to stop banks from creating their own bank notes. 60 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:46,672 So they used to issue paper notes as kind of a representative of what you had in the bank account. 61 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,976 Instead of you taking your heavy metal coins out of the bank and then going and paying somebody with them 62 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:56,976 you could get your paper which said how much money you had in the bank and you could give that to somebody 63 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,976 and they could use that to go and get the heavy metal coins from the banks. 64 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,584 Now over time these paper notes became as good as money. 65 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,976 People would use paper notes instead of going and getting real money from the bank 66 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:17,000 and obviously as soon as the banks realised that what they were creating had become in the dominant type of money in the economy, 67 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,976 they realised that by creating more of it they could generate profits. 68 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:25,976 They can just print up some new notes lend it and get the interest on top of them. 69 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:31,824 And they did that up until the 1840s. In the 1840s they pushed it just a little bit too far 70 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:36,960 and that caused inflation, destabilising the economy. So in 1844, 71 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:41,996 the Conservative Government of Robert Peel actually passed a law 72 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:47,976 that took the power to create money away from the commercial banks and brought it back to the state. 73 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:55,672 So since then the Bank of England has been the only organisation authorised to create paper notes. 74 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:07,000 Since then everything has gone digital and what we now use as money is the digital numbers that commercial banks can create out of nothing. 75 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:16,000 The problem was that they did not include in that legislation the deposits, 76 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:23,992 the demand deposits, held in banks by individuals or electronic forms of money 77 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:31,968 which essentially is what those demand deposits are. Today most of the money in circulation is electronic money, 78 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:38,864 it's bank demand deposits that sit in our accounts. 79 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:49,500 So in a way the legislation's got to catch up with the developments in electronic money and the way that banks actually operate. 80 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,520 Money held in bank accounts are called demand deposits. 81 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,976 This is an accounting term the banks use when they create credit. 82 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:06,676 Banks follow the same process when they create loans. All money held in bank accounts is an accounting entry. 83 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:19,504 The reality is now that most money is not paper and it's not metal coins it's digital. 84 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:25,976 It's just numbers in a computer system. It's your Visa debit card. It's your electronic ATM card. 85 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:32,848 It's this - plastic. It's numbers in a computer system, you move money from one computer system to another. 86 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:40,916 It's all a big database and this digital money is what we are now using to make payments with. 87 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,900 It's what we actually use to run the economy. 88 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,976 I think a lot of people in the UK probably think that the government or the central bank 89 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:55,984 is in control of most money in circulation and issues new money into circulation, 90 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,680 but that's not the case. 91 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:06,168 It's private banks that create the vast majority of new money in circulation and also decide how it's allocated. 92 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:14,864 The official terminology for this accounting entry is commercial bank money. 93 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:20,864 When banks issue loans to the public, they create new commercial bank money. 94 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:25,224 When a customer repays a loan, commercial bank money is destroyed. 95 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,533 The banks keep the interest as profit. 96 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,976 There're a lot of misconceptions about the way banks work. 97 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:40,912 There was a poll done by the Cobden Centre where they asked people how they thought banks actually operated. 98 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:47,848 Around 30% of the public think that when you put your money into the bank it just stays there and its safe, 99 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:53,976 and you can understand why because every child has a piggy bank where you keep putting money in 100 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,976 and then when it's a rainy day you smash it and you take that money out and you spend it. 101 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:01,100 So a lot of people keep this idea of banking 102 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,976 it's somewhere safe to keep your money so that it's there for whenever you need it. 103 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:15,000 Another, the other 60% of people assume that when you put your money in, that money is then being moved across to somebody who wants to borrow it. 104 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:20,976 So you have a pensioner who keeps saving money her entire life and then her life savings have been lent 105 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:25,976 to some young people who want to buy a house. But actually banks don't work like that. 106 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:52,588 At the moment in the UK money creation and control is largely in the hands of private banks. 107 00:11:53,000 --> 00:12:00,960 About 97 to 98% of money that's created is created as bank "debt money" you could call it, 108 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:06,804 when banks issue money into circulation as loans essentially. 109 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,233 This is a very poorly understood fact. 110 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:18,232 It's not a conspiracy theory, it's not a crackpot theory, it's the way the Bank of England describes the process. 111 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,900 When banks make loans they create new money. 112 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,840 A few economists will realise the way the money system works 113 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,976 but if you don't realise the way that money works and you think that 114 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,976 everybody saving is going to work well for the economy, 115 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,976 what really happens once you understand the way the money system works, 116 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:54,976 is that if everybody starts saving the amount of money in the economy shrinks and we have a recession. 117 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:59,976 So most economists don't have this full picture. They don't understand all the elements of the system. 118 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:07,968 They rely on assumptions, on received knowledge without actually going into the details 119 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:13,376 and money is the centre of the economy. If you don't understand where it comes from, 120 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:19,568 who creates it and when it gets created then how can you understand the entire economy? 121 00:13:25,900 --> 00:13:31,020 When the vast majority of money that we use now is not cash but electronic money 122 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,976 then whoever's creating the electronic money is getting the proceeds of creating that money 123 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,976 and obviously creating electronic money is much more profitable than creating cash 124 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:41,976 because you don't have any production cost at all. 125 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:48,960 So while we've got �18 billion over the course of the decade in profit from creating cash, 126 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,644 the banks have actually created �1.2 trillion. 127 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:58,200 Between 1998 and 2007 the UK money supply tripled. 128 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:06,912 �1.2 trillion was created by banks, whilst �18 billion was created by the Treasury. 129 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:14,976 A lot of people think when I say this or when you say this or when Positive Money say this, that we are all a bunch of nutters. 130 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:20,916 But on the 9th of March in 2009, the governor of the Federal Reserve, 131 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:27,976 Ben Bernanke gave the first ever broadcast interview the Governor of the Central Bank of the United States of America had ever given. 132 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:36,972 The day before that he had bailed out AIG, which is an insurance company not even a bank actually, 133 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,400 to the tune of about US$160 billion. 134 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:46,908 So the journalist says to him: "Now Mr. Bernanke where did you get $160 billion to bail out AIG?" 135 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,976 Is that tax money that the Fed is spending? 136 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:56,808 It's not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed, much the same way that you have an account in a commercial bank. 137 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:02,976 So to lend to a bank we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account they have with the Fed. 138 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:09,208 So it's much more akin, although not exactly the same, to printing money than it is to borrowing. 139 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:17,908 Banks create new money whenever they extend credit, buy existing assets, 140 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:23,376 or make payments on their own account, which mostly involves expanding their assets. 141 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,976 When a bank buys securities, such as a Corporate or Government Bond 142 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:35,464 it adds the bond to its assets and increases the company's bank deposits by the corresponding amount. 143 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:44,232 New commercial bank money enters circulation when people spend the credit that has been granted to them by banks. 144 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:55,940 I found that talking on the door step from August 2009 around to... general election, 145 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:02,720 8-9 months I suppose, knocking on the doors, is that when we tried to explain how the money system works, 146 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:12,984 there's an almost in-built refusal of people to accept that such a bizarre situation could actually exist. 147 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:20,968 "Ah no, it can't possibly. What do you mean? It can't... banks can't...banks don't create money out of thin air. 148 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,976 That's ridiculous. They can't do that. They lend out their depositors' money." 149 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:29,976 Most people have an idea of how money is. They are used to their own way of handling money 150 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:39,904 and they try and implement their own idea of how their small household economy works into the national economy. 151 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,944 And of course it just doesn't work out at all. 152 00:16:43,100 --> 00:16:47,968 By 2008 the outstanding loan portfolio of bank created credit, 153 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:52,416 also known as commercial bank money, stood at over 2 trillion pounds. 154 00:16:54,000 --> 00:17:00,000 As recently as 1982 the ratio of notes and coins to bank deposits was 1:12. 155 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:06,000 By 2010 the ratio had risen to 1:37. 156 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:13,252 That is for every pound of Treasury created money there were 37 pounds of bank created money. 157 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,733 In the 10 years prior to the 2007 crisis, 158 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:23,928 the UK commercial bank money supply expanded by between 7% to 10% every year. 159 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:30,248 A growth rate of 7% is the equivalent of doubling the money supply every 10 years. 160 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,976 The amount of money they're creating out of nothing is just incredible, 161 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,976 1.2 trillion in the last 10 years. 162 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:44,948 That money is being distributed according to the priorities of the banking sector, 163 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,000 not the priorities of society. 164 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:57,984 The banking sector itself grew from 1980 $2.5 trillion to $40 trillion by assets. 165 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:04,808 In 1980, global bank assets were worth 20 times the then global economy. 166 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,456 By 2006 they were worth 75 times, according to the UN. 167 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:16,948 As the following chart shows, total bank assets of UK banks as a percentage of GDP 168 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:25,928 remained relatively stable at 50-60% up to the end of the 1960s. After that they shot up dramatically. 169 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:30,976 And the real money in the world to be made today is not by producing anything at all. 170 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,608 It's simply by forms of speculating - basically making money from money. 171 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:45,924 That's the most profitable and by far and away the biggest form of economic activity that exists in the world today. 172 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:50,096 Today, banks are no longer restricted by how much they can lend, 173 00:18:51,000 --> 00:19:01,500 and as such, how much new credit they can create out of nothing. They are restricted solely by their own willingness to lend. 174 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,976 The issue with allowing banks to create money - there's two main issues. 175 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,976 Firstly - the fact that they create this money when they make loans, 176 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:16,440 so it guarantees that we have to borrow all our money for the economy from the banks. 177 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:22,976 As such, to have a healthy growing economy, the Government needs to put in place strategies 178 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,267 to allow for ever-increasing debt. 179 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:34,040 The only way the Government can create additional purchasing power is by getting itself and us into more debt. 180 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:42,360 The second big issue with allowing the banks to create money is that they have the incentive to always create more. 181 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:44,976 They create more money if they issue a loan. 182 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:49,976 They get the bonuses, the commissions and the incentives to lend as much as possible. 183 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,976 You have to develop a sales culture. What did they do? 184 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:57,864 They recruited an amazing guy, a lovely guy, Andy Hornby, who came from Asda 185 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,584 to turn the bank into a supermarket retailing operation. 186 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:07,236 If you trust bankers to control the money supply, 187 00:20:07,300 --> 00:20:10,976 the money supply will just grow and grow and grow, as will the level of debt, 188 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:17,528 until the point where it crashes, when some people can't repay the debt and then they'll stop lending. 189 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,976 You hear politicians and journalists saying We've been living beyond our means. 190 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:28,824 We've become dependent on debt. We need to reign in our spending and live within our means. 191 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,667 It's not possible in the current system. 192 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:36,976 The reason why everyone is in debt now is not because they have been recklessly borrowing. 193 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:42,976 We haven't borrowed all this money from an army of pensioners who've been saving up their whole lives. 194 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,976 Money in the current system is debt. It's created when the banks make loans. 195 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:51,976 So the only way, in the current system, that we can have any money in the economy, 196 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:58,208 the only way we can have money for business to trade, is if we've borrowed it all from the banks. 197 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:03,988 And it's the very opposite of what the Tory Party is arguing today, 198 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:08,976 which is that you have to create savings before you can help the National Health Service. 199 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,976 And it's because economists have completely confused those things, 200 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,904 both in monetary policy terms, but also in economic thinking, 201 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:23,720 and because most people still harbour the old fashioned view that you need savings before you can invest, 202 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,800 that we have the mess that we're in today. 203 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:33,528 Now, one of the reasons why we find it difficult to understand the banking system and credit creation, 204 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:39,976 is that we leave school without any money and we go and get a job working as an apprentice to a plumber. 205 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:44,976 We work really hard all month and at the end of the month somebody puts money in our bank, 206 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:50,928 and so for us the logic is: you work and then you get money, you get savings. 207 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:56,976 In reality you would never have got that job if credit hadn't been created in the first instance. 208 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:02,964 It's a really important conceptual misunderstanding 209 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,976 and it isn't something that the public just is guilty of. Economists don't understand this stuff. 210 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,900 Money doesn't come out of economic activity. 211 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:16,056 A lot of people I've come across kind of assume that if you have got businesses 212 00:22:16,100 --> 00:22:22,820 and you've got people doing things, that somehow money emerges out of the process of people doing things, 213 00:22:23,100 --> 00:22:27,076 making things and growing things, selling things and producing things, 214 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:33,696 that somehow money just emerges. It's not. It's like oiling a car. You have to put it in. 215 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:38,976 When I see David Cameron talking about how we need an economy not based on debt, 216 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:43,976 but we need an economy based on savings, he just doesn't know what he's saying. It's ridiculous. 217 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:50,976 It's absolutely absurd and it shows his complete lack of understanding of how our money system actually works. 218 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:55,544 What he is essentially saying is that We need an economy with no money. 219 00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:00,940 If everyone was saving we'd have mass disappearing of money, 220 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,976 which is essentially what a bank write-off is - people defaulting on their debt - 221 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,900 which essentially is just money disappearing. 222 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,976 But if people weren't taking on the debt then it's just such a joke. 223 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:20,976 It's such an amateur understanding of how our economy works and how the monetary system works and how money is actually created. 224 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,976 So I really do get a laugh out of watching what people are actually saying. 225 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:29,976 They are all just regurgitating what they have learnt off each other and you just hear the same things 226 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:35,916 and it just really gets on my nerves when I hear people talking about 227 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:41,976 'Yeah, we need more regulations, we need to regulate the way banks are actually and the bonuses' 228 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:47,976 It's all just one big smoke screen and working on all the symptoms of a greater disease which is really 229 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,976 you need to look at the money system - the way money is created. 230 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:57,976 And if we don't want any debt then we're essentially saying we don't want any money and we want a moneyless economy 231 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,456 with the exception of the 3% that's created debt free. 232 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,976 You know, it's a paradox under the current system. 233 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:09,952 If we as the public go into further debt then that's going to put more money into the economy 234 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,976 and we're going to have a boom. When you have a boom, it's easier to borrow, so people get into even more debt. 235 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:21,976 And eventually this cycle continues. It gets easier and easier to get into debt until some people get over-indebted 236 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,584 and then they default. They can't re-pay their mortgage. 237 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:33,944 That's what happened first in sub-prime America. And then ... that just brings through a wave of defaults, 238 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,976 which will ripple across the entire economy. The banks go insolvent. 239 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:41,988 Then we're into a financial crisis and then the banks stop lending. 240 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:49,976 They were excessively lending in the boom and then they stop lending and that makes the recession even worse. 241 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:55,976 People lose their jobs and then they become even more dependent on debt just to survive, basically. 242 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,976 You know we have a system where we have to borrow in order to have an economy. 243 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:06,312 We have to be in debt to the banks. That guarantees a massive profit for the banks. 244 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,867 This is the boom-bust cycle. 245 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:18,452 And I've said before, Mr Deputy Speaker, no return to boom and bust. 246 00:25:23,900 --> 00:25:27,300 Net bank lending must forever increase. 247 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:33,696 We are paying interest on every single pound. Even if you think the money belongs to you, 248 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,976 somebody somewhere is paying interest on that money. 249 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,520 The banking system has such a huge impact on the world, 250 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,520 but only because it supplies our nation's money supply. 251 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,976 We have to protect them. We have to subsidise them. We have to allow them to continue 252 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,916 because the disaster of a bank collapse affects us all in a huge way. 253 00:25:55,000 --> 00:26:01,976 Anyone who says that we shouldn't have bailed out the banks doesn't quite understand the nature of our monetary system. 254 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,200 That's like eliminating a huge chunk of our money. 255 00:26:05,700 --> 00:26:10,976 But also bailing out the banks is perpetuating a system which is never going to work anyway. 256 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:16,976 So whatever we do we are always going to have this cycle until we separate how money is created 257 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,976 and the activities of banking. Then the banks could do as they wish. 258 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,976 They'd be a normal business like everyone else. 259 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:29,460 There's a major democratic issue here as well. You have these private profit-seeking banks 260 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,976 creating up to �200 billion a year and pumping that into the economy wherever they want, 261 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:40,824 basically, wherever it suits them, whether they're pumping it into these toxic derivatives, 262 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,976 or putting money into housing bubbles, just making housing more expensive. 263 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:51,984 �200 billion in 2007 of new money coming into the economy, created out of nothing 264 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,736 and where that gets spent determines the shape of our economy effectively. 265 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,776 So if we are going to allow anybody to create new money out of nothing, 266 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,976 then we should at least have some democratic control over how that money's used. 267 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:11,976 I mean, would we rather have that money used for health care, or to deal with some of the environmental issues or to reduce poverty, 268 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:18,464 or would we rather have it to make houses more expensive so none of us can afford to live in a house. 269 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:30,908 You can see it as a subsidy, a special super subsidy to the banks, for the right to create money, 270 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:36,440 which should be for the benefit of the public and spent through a democratic process. 271 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:48,504 There's also another form of money, which is effectively an electronic version of cash 272 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:54,976 and it's a type of money that the commercial banks use themselves to make payments between each other. 273 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,976 The high street banks don't want to be carrying around huge quantities of money 274 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:05,976 because it's dangerous, inconvenient and expensive. You have to hire security guards for that type of money. 275 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,976 So what they do is they pay each other in what is an electronic version of cash 276 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:20,972 which in the industry is known as Central Bank Reserves. They keep this electronic cash in accounts at the Bank of England. 277 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,352 But as a member of the public you can't access this electronic cash, 278 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,376 you can't get an account with the Bank of England. 279 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:36,944 What they do is they effectively sell this central bank money to the banks and they do this by creating it out of nothing 280 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:42,956 and using this money to pay for bonds, to buy bonds from the high street banks. 281 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,976 So, the high street bank will come along with a bond which is effectively government debt 282 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,976 and it will give it to the Bank of England and in return the Bank of England 283 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,976 will type some new numbers into the bank's account at the Bank of England. 284 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,976 So effectively they are creating central bank reserves out of nothing. 285 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,136 The Bank of England creates Central Bank Reserves 286 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,976 by increasing the available credit in the settlement bank's account with the Bank of England. 287 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:13,760 The settlement bank in return posts bonds, or sells assets as collateral for the reserves. 288 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,672 A total of 46 banks hold Central Reserve Accounts at the Bank of England. 289 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:31,400 Smaller or foreign banks hold accounts with one of these 46 banks to allow them to accept or make payments in pounds sterling. 290 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:39,936 Prior to March 2009, the Bank of England would ask each of the major settlement banks how much reserve currency they needed. 291 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:48,872 The settlement banks would then swap a bond for the reserve currency and agree to repurchase the bond for a specific amount 292 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:55,964 at a specified future date. The settlement banks would then receive interest 293 00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,032 at base or policy rate for the central bank reserves they held. 294 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:06,192 Since the crisis, settlement banks central reserves have shot up dramatically. 295 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,976 When bank customers transfer funds from their account to another person's account, 296 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,867 a process called Intra-Day Clearing occurs. 297 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,976 The amount of central reserve currency Bank A has at the Bank of England 298 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,940 is reduced by the corresponding amount that Bank B receives. 299 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,840 This is the importance of central reserve currency to banks. 300 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:50,232 Before the credit crisis, if a bank was short of central reserves at the Bank of England to meet its obligations, 301 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,672 then the bank would have to loan reserves from other banks with interest. 302 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:10,976 If you sell something on eBay, you know that that deal is not complete until you get some money put into your account. 303 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,976 Most people actually want to see the money in their account before they're happy to close on a deal. 304 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:21,976 Now the banks are pretty much the same, but they want to see the money in their account at the Bank of England 305 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,976 before they consider a deal complete. 306 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,976 So for example, if you are buying a house from somebody who banks with a different bank 307 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,976 then what'll happen after you've spent a quarter of a million on a house 308 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:40,000 is you'll tell your bank to transfer some money to the house seller's bank and what the bank will do 309 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:45,976 is actually instruct the Bank of England to move �250,000 from their account at the Bank of England 310 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:52,976 to the bank of the house seller. And that money will actually move across between the accounts at the Bank of England. 311 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:59,272 When that money has moved across, then the banks will consider that that payment has been settled. 312 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:05,972 They don't really deal in the kind of money that we have in our accounts, 313 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,736 they deal in this special money that can only be used at the central bank. 314 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:18,976 There are millions of people across the country, all transferring money to each other using only a few major banks. 315 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:27,000 These banks can keep a tally on their computer systems and usually many of the movements cancel each other out at the end of the day. 316 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:39,808 The five major banks - RBS, Lloyds, HSBC, Barclays and Santander - hold over 85% of all deposits. 317 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:49,976 As there are a limited number of banks in the system, the central reserve money can only be moved around them in a closed loop. 318 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:55,976 The money is just circulating through this system over and over again and if you think about it, 319 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:01,976 a one pound coin could be used to make a billion pounds of payments if it was circulated a billion times. 320 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,976 And that's effectively the system that you have now, is you have a small pool of real money 321 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:12,976 that's just going round and round the system and it's being used to make a huge quantity of payments on our behalf. 322 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:18,440 Just before the crisis there was only 20 billion in the accounts at the central bank. 323 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:25,440 September 2007. Thousands of Northern Rock customers queue up to withdraw their cash. 324 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:32,720 The company had been forced to seek emergency funding. It's the first run on a British bank in 140 years. 325 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:54,976 If they don't have enough of this central bank money, then effectively they can't make payments 326 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,976 and if that happens then pretty quickly the entire system seizes up. 327 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:05,656 So the Bank of England has the responsibility of making sure there's enough of this money in the system. 328 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:12,976 The requirements for banks to hold a specific amount of reserves has changed many times since 1947. 329 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:22,984 At that time, banks needed to hold a minimum ratio of 32% of reserves, cash or Treasury Bonds to deposits. 330 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:31,148 In 2006, the Corridor System was introduced, in which banks could set their own reserve targets each month. 331 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:40,016 The rules changed again in March 2009 when the Bank of England introduced quantitative easing. 332 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:46,888 Quantitative Easing in effect, gives settlement banks the central reserve currency for free. 333 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:55,976 The Central Reserve Currency is what is referred to as the real money in the fractional reserve model 334 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,840 but the fact is banks can have as much of this as they want. 335 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:05,568 And Central Reserve Currency itself is a form of fiat money which is backed by nothing. 336 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,352 As a consequence there is no longer a meaningful fractional reserve. 337 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,648 If you look over the history of the last 150 years or so, 338 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:31,976 you start off with a development of a gold standard that really comes to the fore in the 1880s/1890s 339 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,976 where essentially countries peg themselves to a particular defined value of gold 340 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,480 and then they have an agreement to fix that value, to hold that value, 341 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,976 and to trade gold amongst themselves to make sure the balances are all there 342 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:52,932 and also to try and restrict or expand or contract activity in their own economies to make sure that the balance, 343 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:58,696 that particular fixed price, is maintained. That disintegrates after the First World War. 344 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:04,976 This is where the whole thing breaks apart, a very major dislocation in the international monetary system at that point, 345 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,976 not really resolved until you get Bretton Woods agreements at the end of the Second World War 346 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,976 in which everything is pegged to the dollar and the dollar is pegged to the gold. 347 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,976 So you are kind of one removed from the gold backing 348 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:22,976 or saying that there is a definite you know sort of solid commodity money behind the paper money and the credit money 349 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,976 that we are all using over here. You are kind of one removed from it. 350 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:31,952 After Hiroshima, Tokyo wondered when the next atom bomb would fall. They did not wonder long. 351 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:47,944 In 1944, at Bretton Woods, the US and the UK began to negotiate how to govern the world economy, 352 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,416 the world monetary system and came up with the World Bank and the IMF 353 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,672 and a series of other institutions designed to manage the global currency 354 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,976 and there was still a gold standard, but this gold standard was going to be tied to the dollar. 355 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,776 All of the world's gold had moved from London to Fort Knox, 356 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,712 and all of the world's currencies were tied to the dollar. 357 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:17,440 This system was designed to manage the sorts of imbalances, to avoid credit crunches, 358 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:25,976 or for countries, credit crunches are known as balance of trade deficits i.e. when they can't pay their bills and their currency collapses. 359 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:35,976 The currencies were managed and the system was stable, as long as the Americans played the role of oversight. 360 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,160 Now, who knows the great story about how that all came to an end? 361 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:47,976 So, the quantity of money that was needed to pay for the Vietnam War, that's exactly what I was trying to get at. 362 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,867 Oil shocks were another one. 363 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,976 That meant that the Americans were no longer respecting their role or playing their role governing the monetary system. 364 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,976 They were inflating the value of their own currency that ostensibly was meant to be tied, 365 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:03,352 tied to gold and to every other currency. So what did the French do? 366 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:09,184 The French were a little bit worried that President Nixon wasn't entirely honest. 367 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:20,000 And they were worried that precisely what we described, that Nixon was printing money when he shouldn't have been, was going on. 368 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,976 And they were worried there wasn't enough gold to honour the exchange rate of the French Franc, 369 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:32,988 so they sent a gunboat to New York harbour to ever so politely ask for our gold back please. 370 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:41,364 Did they get their gold back? Go on, guess! They didn't. And the Bretton Woods system came to an end. 371 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,976 And this is the point at which we enter the modern era of the financial system. 372 00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:02,528 Historically, money creation was pegged to a commodity, often gold, but today it is pegged to nothing. 373 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:12,752 Which means there is nothing backing our money. This piece of paper is just a piece of paper. 374 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:21,996 Where does this leave us? If money is based on nothing, why do we think it has any value? 375 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:29,568 Sorry? Because we can still go and exchange it. What? Somebody else was going to shout. 376 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:38,272 Great little Latin fact, the word for credit comes from? Belief. Correct. 377 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:51,400 Since the collapse of the dollar gold standard in 1971 and the deregulation of the financial system, 378 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,600 money creation has grown exponentially. 379 00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:08,852 The World Economic Forum meeting in Davos at the present time have called on a need for the credit within the economy, 380 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:18,056 the global economy, to be expanded by US$100 trillion. 381 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:25,080 A trillion is 12 noughts so 100 trillion, if you want to imagine is a 1 followed by 14 noughts. 382 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,392 They believe this credit expansion will create a boom 383 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,976 because there is now more money in the economy with which to make investments. 384 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:40,976 It's fascinating this emergence of digital currencies, how it's transformed everything really. 385 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:49,640 Because it just completely unleashed private banks to dominate and create the money system that works for them 386 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,976 and works for the people who run private banks. 387 00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:00,976 If you want a growing economy under the current set-up we have to have growing debt. 388 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,948 This is something very, very few people really understand 389 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:10,976 - especially not the politicians who are managing the economy - which is a scary thought. 390 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:24,016 As the money supply grows more money is available which can be invested in productive avenues. 391 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,096 However it can also be used to gamble and drive up asset prices. 392 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:51,232 Inflation is a rise in the general level of the prices of goods and services in an economy over a period of time. 393 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:57,568 When the general price level rises each unit of currency buys fewer goods and services. 394 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,976 As the money supply grows and there is more currency available, 395 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:06,096 more money is available for investment which can lead to growth, 396 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:13,208 but more money is also available for purchases of goods and speculation which leads to inflation. 397 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:23,908 Essentially, inflation is what happens when too much money is chasing too few goods and services, 398 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:31,596 so there is too much money for the actual output of the economy. 399 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,224 However in practice inflation is much more skewed and complicated. 400 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,976 Measuring inflation is not a science and the way it is recorded poses a dilemma. 401 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:48,920 The Consumer Price Index or CPI is measured from a sample of goods and services. 402 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,840 Each category of goods and services is given a weighing data 403 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,976 which determines the overall impact of the price data for a specific category. 404 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:03,248 However this measure is deemed to provide a consistently low figure for inflation. 405 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:15,508 Interestingly house prices, mortgage repayments and council tax are excluded yet apps and dating agency fees are included. 406 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:24,712 The Retail Price Index or RPI inflation index is another way of measuring inflation 407 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,352 and scores consistently higher values than the Consumer Price Index. 408 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:37,960 Recently many pension schemes have adjusted their annual payout increases from RPI to CPI. 409 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:43,376 This is another cost saving measure which will leave pensioners worse off in future. 410 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:49,824 The CPI index of inflation is not geared towards providing an accurate picture of inflation 411 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,520 and the deterioration in the purchasing power of money. 412 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:08,908 In the seven years between the years 2000 and 2007 the money supply doubled and the central bank, 413 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,976 the Bank of England was under the impression at this time that they had it under control 414 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,976 because they were saying that prices weren't going up that much. 415 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,976 Of course they were only looking at prices in your local corner shop. 416 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:26,976 They weren't looking at the price of housing and housing is the biggest expenditure that most people will make. 417 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:41,928 Increasing house prices, it may make you feel like you're becoming wealthier, 418 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:48,916 but as your wealth increases the effect is that your children's wealth is actually decreasing. 419 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:58,000 So in fact there is no net gain in wealth because your children are going to have to pay even more when they want to buy a house. 420 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,976 So in effect there is no net increase. They are going to have to earn even more. 421 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,976 They are going to have to go into even more debt. 422 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:13,928 So rising house prices do not create additional net GDP value to the economy. 423 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:20,980 Actually what they do is they re-distribute wealth towards those people who already have houses 424 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:26,976 i.e. wealthier people and remove it from poorer people who can't afford to get on the housing ladder. 425 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:33,988 So it's another example of a very regressive policy to allow house prices to simply inflate. 426 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:39,696 It makes everybody feel like things are going well and people spend money on other stuff, 427 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,976 they take equity out of their houses but it's not creating new jobs. 428 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:49,440 It's not enhancing the quality of the economy. It's not helping our balance of trade. 429 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,712 It's not helping the public deficit. It's a zero sum game. 430 00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:03,932 As of August 2011, 85.5% of consumer bank lending was secured as mortgages on dwellings. 431 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,976 If you have somebody creating money that can only be spent on one thing, 432 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,976 which is housing then the price of that thing is going to go up. 433 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,480 Between 2000 and 2010 they created over a trillion pounds of new money 434 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:23,976 - �500 billion just in the three years before the crisis. That's why house prices went up they way they were. 435 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,667 There's nothing in special about houses. 436 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,976 It was just all this funny money being pumped into that market. 437 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:35,952 If money is spent into the economy a lot of money goes into houses for example into mortgages 438 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:46,736 - that's an increase in the amount of money in the economy - without a corresponding increase in activity in output, in GDP. 439 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:53,912 It's non-GDP based spending. That's what causes inflation. 440 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:59,880 In the UK we've had it in spades. We've had this massive housing boom. 441 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,764 The main cause for the housing boom, in my opinion, 442 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:10,120 is the huge amount of speculative credit created by the banks to go into houses. 443 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:17,712 If houses were cheaper, they would be easier to build. More of them would be built. 444 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:22,096 There would be less huge houses, with hardly any people in them. 445 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:28,644 London would not be the centre of a kind of very rich speculative orgy, 446 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:34,976 where all the richest people in the world want to get a property in London, because it's seen as a great asset. 447 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:39,976 Houses would be seen as places to live primarily, rather than seen as places to invest. 448 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:46,720 The important thing to think about is, if you are a bank and you've got to make a loan, you have choices. 449 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:55,832 You can give that loan to a small business and you'll know that the risk to you of that loan failing, defaulting, 450 00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,976 is actually quite high, because that small business, the owners of that business, 451 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:07,784 have limited liability, which means if that business goes bust you as a bank get nothing back essentially. 452 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:17,800 So that's kind of high risk, compared to loaning your money to somebody with some collateral, with a house behind them, like a mortgage. 453 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:24,656 So there's a simple incentive for banks to prefer putting money into housing than into a small business. 454 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:29,544 Now that's a real problem if you widen that out across a whole economy, 455 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:36,976 because it means there's an incentive to put money into speculative rather than productive investment. 456 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:42,632 So again, we have to think about how we create our monetary system that is more balanced 457 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,976 between those two kinds of speculative and productive investment. 458 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:52,864 The government is showing enormous reluctance to regulate the housing market 459 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:57,416 and to again regulate the amount of money that banks put into houses. 460 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:05,296 We don't decide who creates credit for what. No. We leave that to a couple of chaps in a bank to decide basically. 461 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:17,976 A bubble occurs when there is very high inflation in the price of a specific good or service over a short period of time. 462 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:27,464 The idea of the tulips and their relevance is that you saw the first ever financial bubble and crash. 463 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:36,828 The craze for tulips - black tulips being a mythical ideal of what somebody could genetically engineer 464 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:44,788 through cultivation after many generations - became a mania in the Netherlands in the 1630s. 465 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,976 What they didn't realise was that many of the very, very rare patterns on tulips bulbs 466 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:55,976 were caused by a virus and weren't genetic at all. But they traded them to the extent that tulip got to the point 467 00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:02,208 where they were worth ten times the average annual salary of a person working in the Netherlands. 468 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:04,976 There was a futures market in tulip bulbs 469 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,976 because obviously you plant them now but you don't know what's going to come out of the ground. 470 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:12,800 So we see already, 400 years ago, that a money system or a financial system 471 00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:17,976 is not something that exists in the abstract, somewhere out there in the ether, 472 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:23,952 but something that was to do with states, power, trade and how they interact with each other. 473 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:33,568 Unlike tulips, which are a disposable luxury, houses are both a necessity and a luxury. 474 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:39,544 And as such, they are ideal as a vehicle for money and bubble creation. 475 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:46,120 A dwelling is perhaps the most prized possession of value most people aspire to. 476 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:56,104 Inflating house prices in this way allows a nation to expand its money supply without affecting inflation data. 477 00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:04,336 The additional purchasing power created increases the perceived wealth in relation to other nations 478 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,333 and thus it creates relative power. 479 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:14,144 It is a way of increasing monetary power without investing in the productive growth of industry. 480 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,976 Certainly if you look at Britain and America as outstanding examples of this, 481 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,976 these are countries with very high rates of private home ownership 482 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,976 so you've got a good base to try and perform this sort of policy off the back of. 483 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:31,976 I think it was quite deliberate in the case of the US, almost explicit, as Alan Greenspan 484 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:38,016 as head of the Federal Reserve when confronted by a stock market crash at the end of the 1990s 485 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:45,976 quite deliberately slashed interest rates to almost zero. Everyone can borrow very, very cheaply, 486 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:50,976 in particular its very easy to borrow against a house because this is an asset 487 00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,976 and is potentially something that the bank can say Well, OK we're not just lending you money unsecured, 488 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,976 you actually do have a house so that's great because we can repossess it. 489 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,976 They won't tell you this when you take the mortgage but they can do this 490 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,976 and that bubble is then what fuels expansion such as it is inside the US, 491 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,976 and inside the UK where something similar takes place for the next decade or so. 492 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:14,928 I think it's also a reflection of an underlying weakness in these governments 493 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:20,976 that they simply lack the will and possibly the ability, but I think it more comes down to a will, 494 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:26,976 to challenge financial markets, to challenge big capital and say We're going to do something different now. 495 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,976 And you're going to have to go along with it because we've been democratically elected 496 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,976 and you lot frankly haven't and we have a mandate to do this and we're going to make this happen. 497 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:40,568 Just remember it's all part of the plan. What are you yapping about - you voted for it! 498 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:50,784 In Holland or the Netherlands what we had over a period of trying to get independence initially from Spain 499 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:56,440 and trying to raise money to get an army to free themselves was financial innovation. 500 00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,976 They innovated public lotteries to get money together. They had public subscription. 501 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:06,976 This was the idea that led to the idea of public shares - a piece of the action that anybody could invest in - 502 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:12,976 that meant that something like two thirds of the population was investing in tulip bulbs by the 1630s. 503 00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:17,736 After independence these instruments were applied for financing expansion. 504 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:23,248 Why was such a small country able to hold its own against so much bigger countries 505 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:30,976 for example Spain and Portugal that had the benefits of their empires for over a century in respect of the Netherlands? 506 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,976 Why could they compete? On what resource basis? 507 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:40,812 Well they had a more efficient, a more evolved and a broader based financial system 508 00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:49,000 with these instruments that they'd innovated that allowed them to bring more money to bear at one point than anybody else, more quickly. 509 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:54,000 Incredible But True. 510 00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:08,888 Now, inflation can be avoided if the amount of money that goes into the economy is regulated 511 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:14,876 in a way that it doesn't exceed the actual activity that's happening in the economy. 512 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:21,872 Now, the best way to do that, in my opinion, is to make sure that money is issued into the economy 513 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:28,824 only for productive investment, for productive goods and services, 514 00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:38,860 so money goes in to help a small business to start up which creates jobs, which creates additional purchasing power 515 00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,200 which means there's no inflation. 516 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:47,976 During their history almost all central banks have employed forms of direct credit regulation. 517 00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:55,976 The central bank will determine desired nominal GDP growth then calculate the necessary amount of credit creation to achieve this. 518 00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:03,744 And then allocate this credit creation both across the various banks and type of banks and across the industrial sectors. 519 00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:13,840 Unproductive credit was suppressed. Thus it was difficult or impossible to obtain bank credit for large scale, 520 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:19,632 purely speculative transactions such as today's large scale bank funding to hedge funds. 521 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:26,272 The World Bank recognised in a 1993 study that this mechanism of intervention in credit allocation 522 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,976 was at the core of the East Asian economic miracle. 523 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:35,976 There're all sorts of things that governments have done in the past, very successfully in a number of cases 524 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:40,976 and often not unsuccessfully in this country but the examples that spring to mind like South Korea, Japan, 525 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:45,976 often in East Asia where governments have been quite targeted about how they're going to rebalance the economy, 526 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:51,976 picking sectors and deciding where the investment should take place, I think that has to start happening in the UK 527 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,976 because we're in a demand side recession rather than looking at crisis of supply. 528 00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:03,780 You have to have a system where credit is put into productive avenues, 529 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,976 where credit is put into building high speed rail links, 530 00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:13,656 where credit is put into building houses rather than giving people money to inflate the price of houses. 531 00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:23,720 So it's quite simple really in that way and the current system is simply set up not to do that basically. 532 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:29,440 The creation of money by private banks for non-productive usage causes real inflation 533 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:34,736 and as such it is a tax on the purchasing power of the medium of exchange. 534 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,976 The figures for the UK are quite stark actually. 535 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:53,848 The average median real incomes (for the bit in the middle) for most people declined over the last 8 years. 536 00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,976 They are now in quite sharp decline as we go into recession 537 00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:03,836 - the sharpest really since about the 1930s - so real income is declining. 538 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:08,976 Bank created fiat currency allows the private banks to suck wealth from the economy 539 00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:13,480 and over time results in a gradual decrease in the standard of living. 540 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:18,832 As people become poorer they become even more dependent on debt 541 00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:24,976 and this at a time when efficiency and mechanisation have improved dramatically. 542 00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:30,972 If you go back to the 1960s and we were expected to, we were looking forward to an age of leisure, 543 00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:37,248 ...television programmes saying what are people going to do with their spare time? 544 00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:45,864 And now we have got more people working harder than ever, spending more than ever, which looks great, 545 00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:52,824 everyone is spending more, but if you're not actually benefiting from what you're spending, 546 00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:58,568 if you're having to spend the money on childcare costs on commuting costs and so forth, 547 00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:05,768 costs that people didn't in the past used to have to pay because you could walk to work 548 00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:13,936 and one member of the family was able to stay at home and be a permanent homemaker, then you're not actually any better off. 549 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:19,164 Everyone is under such enormous pressures nowadays. 550 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:26,736 I am conscious that my four nephews and nieces are facing difficult times. 551 00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:37,800 They're just going to find themselves having to work very hard just to keep a roof over their heads, to get a roof over their heads. 552 00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,976 People are getting poorer in real terms. It's because prices are always going up 553 00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:48,928 because all this new funny money is being pumped into the system by the banks 554 00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:54,976 and they're creating it all as debt so at the same time as prices are going up and things are getting more expensive, 555 00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:56,976 we're getting further and further into debt 556 00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:02,976 and our wealth and the return that we get from actually working is getting less and less all the time. 557 00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:07,976 You can't deal with poverty when you have a financial system and a money system 558 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,976 that distributes money from the poor to the very rich. 559 00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:16,976 Any distribution that you try and do in the opposite direction is effectively pissing in the wind. 560 00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:25,640 If you look at issues like increasing inequality one obvious way to tackle inequality is to have, for example, 561 00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,976 a redistributive tax system. You tax the rich you give some money to the poor. 562 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,600 You move a bit of money down the scale. 563 00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:39,976 That's all very well but if you completely overlook the fact that there's another redistributive system 564 00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:45,976 which is taking money from the poor and giving it to the rich, then you're not really going to tackle this inequality 565 00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:53,976 and the way a debt-based money system works - it guarantees that for every pound of money there's going to be a pound of debt. 566 00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:59,856 That debt is typically going to end up with the poor, the lower-middle classes, 567 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,976 those people end up with the debt and they end up paying interest on that money 568 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:10,976 which then goes back to the banking sector and gets distributed to the people working in the City or in Wall Street. 569 01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:17,888 What this system does overall is it distributes money from the poor to the rich essentially, 570 01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:23,892 distributes money from the poorer regions of the UK back to the City of London 571 01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:30,836 and it also distributes money from all the small businesses, all the little factories around the UK 572 01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,976 and distributes that money back into the financial sector. 573 01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:41,924 We have a system whereby the activity of actually supplying occurs under the very same roof 574 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:47,976 as the same organisation that is responsible for profiting from putting together borrowers and lenders, i.e. a bank. 575 01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:56,820 So, a bank creates our nation's money supply as well as making loans for profit. 576 01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:04,104 The government cannot allow the banking system to fail because if it did over 97% of all money would disappear. 577 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:10,928 This is why in the event of a crisis the risk is transferred to the taxpayer. 578 01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:17,976 But even during normal times banks receive numerous guarantees and benefits beyond the right to create money. 579 01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,976 Bill, by the way, I know the Bank of America is a very big bank, 580 01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,667 it happens that I have $32 there myself. 581 01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:28,160 Just between us what assurance do I have that this money is safe? 582 01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:34,440 Well, all deposits up to $10,000 are insured by the Federal Government in Washington. 583 01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:35,976 That's my guarantee? 584 01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:36,976 Yes sir. 585 01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:41,928 Have you heard that the Federal Government is about $280 billion in the hole? 586 01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:53,768 Banks receive large safety nets from the government. The taxpayer guarantees 85,000 pounds as deposit insurance. 587 01:01:54,000 --> 01:02:00,208 And the Bank of England provides liquidity insurance in case a bank runs out of reserve currency. 588 01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:13,848 Someone wrote that a big investment bank is like a Giant Vampire Squid wrapped around the face of humanity. 589 01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:19,900 Hypnotising politicians. Who throw money at the banks. No strings attached. 590 01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:28,808 No matter what damage is done. Trashing the planet. Forcing cuts to things that make life better. 591 01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:38,548 Goodbye schools. Goodbye playgrounds. Goodbye jobs. The bankers that we bailed out 592 01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:44,760 then gave themselves bonuses that were bigger than the first wave of public spending cuts. 593 01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:51,824 Britain alone gave the banks more money than it cost to put a man on the moon 6 times over. 594 01:02:55,000 --> 01:03:05,836 Where did our money go? Who let the banks get away with it? Why? Can Vampire Squids ever be useful? 595 01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:15,008 No Government yet is brave enough to tame them. Perhaps they need a plan. 596 01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:38,976 The spending cuts agenda is an attempt by the government to shift debt from its account to that of the public. 597 01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:45,656 This is the Government's response to the bank bail outs and is necessary in a debt based monetary system 598 01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:49,968 where increased purchasing power is the result of growing debt 599 01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:55,440 and where a diversification of debt provides overall stability and market confidence. 600 01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:03,872 Policies such as student fee increases and the privatisation of public services, assets and industry follow the same model. 601 01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:11,844 The problem we're facing is that there is this transference from the public debt to private debt 602 01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:19,876 which is essentially a way of transferring risk, away from UK PLC and the Government 603 01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:25,976 on to the heads of individuals and it's going to be the most vulnerable individuals who are going to have the most debt. 604 01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:36,900 Thus it's a very regressive policy framework that the Government's embarking on where the risk is moved on to those who are most vulnerable 605 01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,976 and if there is another financial shock, if there's an oil shock for example, 606 01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:44,976 the people who will pay the penalty are the poorest people in society 607 01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:51,656 or homeowners for example who will fall into negative equity if interest rates go up even 1 or 2 percent 608 01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:58,912 there will be really big problems. So I don't think it's a sensible way forward for us at the moment at all. 609 01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:04,952 It's regressive and it's certainly not fair in the terms that the Government is talking about 610 01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,976 and it's certainly not a case of we're in this together. 611 01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:14,592 As more of the country's resources and industries are privatised the private sector takes on more debt. 612 01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:19,656 As a result more money is created and there is a boom. 613 01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:27,680 Some private equity companies have taken this theory to the extreme, engaging in a practice known as a Leveraged Buyout, 614 01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:36,680 where a company is purchased at an often inflated price and the purchase price is transferred to the business as a debt. 615 01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:42,352 The company becomes responsible for the funding of its own purchase. 616 01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:49,656 These debts are often so great that the company needs to reduce staff, salaries and research activities. 617 01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:53,976 When you have to factor interest as a business, 618 01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:57,976 if you have to factor interest repayment into your goods and services, 619 01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:02,976 then you have to charge a perpetually higher price as you take on more and more debt. 620 01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:08,504 An increase in the diversification of debt results in an increase in the money supply. 621 01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:18,800 When the money supply increases more money is available for productive activities and consumption which is the condition for a boom. 622 01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,976 It's questionable whether we're going to get out of this recession 623 01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,976 or whether we'll just keep ticking along the way the way that we are now. 624 01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:33,424 However if we do, then when we come out of this recession and when growth starts again look at what happens to debt. 625 01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:37,976 It will rise and it will keep rising and the faster the economy is growing, 626 01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:43,976 the faster the debt will rise and then give it another 3 to 5 years we'll be back where we were. 627 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,976 The debt will become too much - people will start defaulting again. 628 01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:53,976 It's kind of the system that we're locked into now is that we can't grow the economy without growing the debt 629 01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:55,976 and the debt is the very thing that will bring down the economy. 630 01:06:56,000 --> 01:07:01,632 The only option going forward is to reform it to stop banks from creating money as debt. 631 01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:07,976 By fixing the monetary system we can prevent the banks from ever causing another financial crisis 632 01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:15,488 and we can also make the current public service cuts and the tax rises and the increase in national debt unnecessary. 633 01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:20,976 The current monetary system allows the banking sector to extract wealth from the economy, 634 01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,944 whilst providing nothing productive in return. 635 01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,900 Why is it that we've got all this technology, 636 01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:38,900 all this new efficiency and yet it now requires two people to finance a household whereas in the 50's it only needed one person working? 637 01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:43,976 The reason for that is not because these washing machines and everything are more expensive. 638 01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:50,976 It's because of all the debt and is because in effectively the banking sector is creaming it off from everybody else. 639 01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,712 So a growing banking factorism assign is not a good thing. 640 01:07:55,000 --> 01:08:01,976 If the banking sector is growing it's either that it's becoming less efficient or it's becoming a parasite on the rest of the economy. 641 01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:06,096 We can talk about the banking sector becoming 4%, 5%, 6% of GDP, 642 01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:11,976 what's happening to the rest of the economy? It's becoming 96, 95, 94% of GDP. 643 01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:19,488 We've got to get switched on to this now. If we want to have a chance of tackling any of the other big social issues, 644 01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:20,976 you've got to figure out the money issue. 645 01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:30,752 The poorest in the world pay for crises even when they've not benefited from the often reckless and speculative booms, 646 01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:34,776 like the housing boom in Ireland that preceded that crisis. 647 01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:44,000 Over the last 30 years we've seen income differentials increase so that the rich have got much, much richer and ordinary people haven't, 648 01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,944 they've stayed the same or they've got poorer. 649 01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:50,976 One of the ways that the economy was kept going was by providing cheap credit, 650 01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:56,976 providing debt to those very people who couldn't really afford things anymore, so they kept buying 651 01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:05,000 and when it collapses it's those same people that have to pay once again even though in many ways they were the victims the first time. 652 01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:13,488 As a result of the crisis the Bank of England has bought corporate debt and repackaged it at lower rates of interest. 653 01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:20,464 Yet the average person is being asked to pay more than ever to borrow on overdrafts and credit cards. 654 01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:26,820 Debts between the very wealthy or between governments can always be renegotiated 655 01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:28,976 and always have been throughout world history. 656 01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:34,976 They're not anything set in stone. It's generally speaking when you have debts owed by the poor to the rich 657 01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:38,976 that suddenly debts become a sacred obligation more important than anything else. 658 01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,264 The idea of renegotiating them becomes unthinkable. 659 01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:47,948 Can you pin down exactly what would keep investors happy, 660 01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,000 make them feel more confident? 661 01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:56,852 That's a tough one. Personally it doesn't matter. See I'm a trader - 662 01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:57,976 I don't really care about that kind of stuff. 663 01:09:58,000 --> 01:09:59,200 Pay your taxes! 664 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,680 Were you born in England? 665 01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,976 If I see an opportunity to make money, I go with that. 666 01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:09,876 For most traders, we don't really care that much how they're going to fix the economy, 667 01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:14,976 how they're going to fix the whole situation. Our job is to make money from it 668 01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:22,976 and personally I've been dreaming about this moment for three years. If you know what to do, you can make a lot of money from this. 669 01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:27,976 I have a confession which is, I go to bed every night I dream of another recession, 670 01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:28,976 I dream of another moment like this. 671 01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:35,720 I dream of another recession, I dream of another moment like this. You can make a lot of money from this. 672 01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:42,840 Bruno, Virginia hurt somebody real bad, you oughta help her. 673 01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:44,000 Incoming! 674 01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:52,016 The way in which you can look across Europe now and see that the new Prime Minister of Greece, 675 01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:56,976 not elected, essentially imposed, Papademos - former employee of Goldman Sachs. 676 01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:01,976 The new Prime Minister and Finance Minister of Italy - Mario Monti - former employee of Goldman Sachs. 677 01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,976 The new President of the European Central Bank - former employee of Goldman Sachs. 678 01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:08,456 You see these people popping up absolutely everywhere. 679 01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:12,976 That's the way to change what we have, take all power and all freedoms away from the people 680 01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:17,928 and collect everything into the hands of one small group with absolute power. 681 01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:25,884 From the people, without the people, against the people. 682 01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:31,976 What's been interesting out of all this is the question of democracy that's been opened up very starkly in Europe, 683 01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:34,976 that you have a government of bankers essentially imposed upon you. 684 01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:40,976 It's bankers who more or less got us into this mess to put it rather crudely, but that's a good first approximation 685 01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:44,976 and then you say OK, Bankers are the people who therefore are going to get us out of it 686 01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:48,976 and incidentally they're going to run your country now. There's a serious question of democracy that has opened up here. 687 01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:57,804 By the way, the banking crisis drove more than a 100 million people back into poverty. 688 01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:06,744 The mortality statistics of people who go into poverty rise hugely for a whole range of reasons. 689 01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:11,976 So the banking crisis isn't just about becoming poorer - it was about killing people as well. 690 01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:16,912 And guess what? We haven't really got to the bottom of it. 691 01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:22,976 We never held anybody to account and we haven't done the radical reforming job that we really needed to do 692 01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:30,836 because we mistakenly thought if we destabilise the position any further, it'll make matters worse. 693 01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:36,312 And guess who took the decisions? All the people who were there in the first place. 694 01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:42,440 "I think you ought to know, that the business of one of these businessmen is murder." 695 01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:55,600 "Their weapons are modern, their thinking: two thousand years out of date." 696 01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:11,892 The way that money works and how we use it to do certain types of transactions 697 01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:16,976 can be really very important in terms of how over time it steers society in certain directions. 698 01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:22,312 How I use money, what I use money for, who's controlling money and where it ends up 699 01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:29,976 over time can completely transform society. The kinds of businesses that get preferred by certain types of money systems, 700 01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:34,416 so at the moment we have a money system that prefers large businesses 701 01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:39,976 that can take a lot of their wealth offshore because that's more efficient for them to do that 702 01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,976 but that means that money ends up leaving communities. 703 01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,733 Sometimes I think it's quite amazing that 704 01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:50,976 there is very little way of any individual directing money towards their locality. 705 01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:56,976 There's no way for me to actually say I have a little bit of savings. I want to invest this in Norwich. 706 01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:59,976 I want to invest in businesses that want to set up here. 707 01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:05,896 There's no mechanism for people to invest within their locality. 708 01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:09,976 You put your money into a mainstream bank and money goes off to wherever. 709 01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,000 Who knows what this is? Shout! 710 01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:20,976 A Brixton Pound! Who knows what it is? It's worth one pound this one so it's exchangeable for one sterling pound. 711 01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:21,976 Is this money? 712 01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:22,976 Yes! 713 01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:29,892 On what basis? People accept it. There're over 200 shops, independent traders. 714 01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:35,952 So it can represent something, like we've agreed, we can choose for it to represent something 715 01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:38,600 and that depends on our mutual consent. 716 01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:51,960 The Bristol Pound Project has been fascinating because I first started reading about money 717 01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:56,976 and realised I didn't understand it very well when I started trying to set up a Bristol Pound, 718 01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,976 so it's been a bit of a journey for me and I think everybody else who's been doing it. 719 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:06,976 We can actually build our own currency systems which work to improve the relationships between people within communities, 720 01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:12,888 where people work and share a lot of the economic benefits from the wealth they are creating 721 01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:20,976 and they are constantly using that wealth they're creating to build positive relationships with other people within that area. 722 01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:24,976 And they can see the impact of the money so when you spend something, 723 01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:30,888 if I spend 20% of my wealth on a certain thing I'll see what that 20% of my wealth is doing. 724 01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:37,976 I'll see that it is really having a positive effect because those people are using that money to go and do something else 725 01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:41,976 which is really good or I can see that it's actually trashing the local woodlands 726 01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:45,976 because I was paying that carpenter to go and cut down all the woods 727 01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:49,976 and I really like going to the woods with my dog so actually maybe I don't want to do that 728 01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:54,976 so you can include all of what would normally get brushed aside as externalities 729 01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:59,544 - well externalities are actually our life! It's what we in communities 730 01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:04,976 all those externalities are what actually make us live a good life I think. 731 01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:09,864 We wanted to help achieve certain things. We wanted to help build community. 732 01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:17,232 We wanted to support independent businesses. We want to help preference them over big trans-national corporations 733 01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:20,976 because if they've got hold of their money and they can use it with each other 734 01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:28,976 then it doesn't disappear up out of large management structures and go offshore and end up in an account in the Cayman Islands. 735 01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:32,712 When we talk to businesses they get it pretty intuitively. 736 01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:41,976 The Bank of England may of course decide that this is a threat to the stability of sterling. 737 01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:45,976 At the moment they are reserving their right to take an opinion on it. 738 01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:47,976 They've sent us all their rules and regulations 739 01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:52,976 and what we've done is that we've got a team of lawyers to give loads of work pro bono 740 01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:56,976 to say, right, we'll work on this and we'll make it as watertight as we possibly can. 741 01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:59,976 In the end what the Bank of England decide to do we don't know. 742 01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:08,836 You see a widespread proliferation of alternatives is normally during periods of capitalist crisis. 743 01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:12,976 So the Great Depression - you had the rise of a lot of script currencies 744 01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:16,976 particularly in North America and experiments in Europe as well. 745 01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:31,716 And most of those got extinguished by being made illegal by the authority of the central banks 746 01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:36,976 and political forces deciding that they didn't want those experiments to carry on. 747 01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:43,000 This monopoly state bank currency that we have is very good at some things. 748 01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:52,840 It's very easy to trade internationally with it. It helps big businesses, it cuts down their transaction costs 749 01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:57,976 but it's not so good for independent businesses and it's not so good for localities. 750 01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:04,976 So if we have a money system where the rules value community and connection between people within communities 751 01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:14,612 over time you build up a better and more wealthy basis for a diverse local economy. 752 01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:26,864 A bank run can take three forms. Customers can withdraw their money in cash. 753 01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:32,632 However this will not reduce the digital money supply it will merely transfer ownership. 754 01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:39,568 Or they can shift their money from the large institutions to smaller more ethical banks 755 01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:46,680 such as credit unions, mutual banks or independent building societies. 756 01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:52,976 Our next guest has a New Year's resolution that she says will create a better financial system 757 01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:58,976 and it's this move your money out of the nation's big banks and into your local community bank. 758 01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:05,784 Shifting commercial bank money to these institutions will reduce the monopolistic grip of the big 5 banks. 759 01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:12,312 Taiwanese animated news: Christian has declared November 5th as 'Bank Transfer Day' 760 01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:27,144 On that day, bank customers vow to close their accounts and deposit the funds with credit unions 761 01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:31,648 The third kind of bank run is the international bank run. 762 01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:38,840 According to at least one US Senator this is what caused the September 2008 meltdown. 763 01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:43,976 Look, I was there when the Secretary and the Chairman of the Federal Reserve came those days 764 01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:48,976 and talked with members of Congress about what was going on. It was about September 15th 765 01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:52,904 Here are the facts, and we don't even talk about these things 766 01:19:53,000 --> 01:20:00,808 on Thursday at about 11 o'clock in the morning the Federal Reserve noticed a tremendous draw down 767 01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:15,000 of money market accounts in the United States to the tune of $550 billion was being drawn out in the matter of an hour or two. 768 01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:22,812 The Treasury opened up its window to help, they pumped $105 billion into the system 769 01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:28,976 and quickly realised they could not stem the tide. We were having an electronic run on the banks. 770 01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:38,860 They decided to close the operation, close down the money accounts and announce a guarantee of $250,000 per account 771 01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:42,976 so there wouldn't be further panic out there, that's what actually happened. 772 01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:48,836 If they had not done that their estimation was by 2 o'clock that afternoon 773 01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:54,632 $5.5 trillion would have been drawn out of the money market system of the United States. 774 01:20:55,000 --> 01:21:02,872 It would have collapsed the entire economy of the United States and within 24 hours the world economy would have collapsed. 775 01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:10,976 When money is withdrawn internationally from one currency to another 776 01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:17,976 the reserve currency shifts from the national bank of one country to the reserve account of the foreign bank. 777 01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:23,976 Foreign banks have relationships with local banks that allow them to hold foreign reserve currencies 778 01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:29,828 whilst not being a part of the central bank scheme at the local central bank. 779 01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:40,852 For example when 1,000 pounds is transferred into euros, a UK bank will agree an exchange rate 780 01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:46,820 with a Euro area bank, perhaps 1.15 euros to the pound. 781 01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:55,932 The UK bank will then transfer �1,000 of the central reserve currency to the UK partner bank of the European bank 782 01:21:56,000 --> 01:22:02,880 whilst the European bank will transfer 1,150 euros of reserve currency 783 01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:05,900 to the European partner bank of the UK bank. 784 01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:11,976 What happens when currencies and the exchange rate system is no longer managed, 785 01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:13,976 what are some of the first consequences? 786 01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:15,040 Devaluations. 787 01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:17,000 Speculation. 788 01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:24,400 Imbalances. Where some countries would accrue more and more and more of what? What will they accrue? 789 01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:27,333 Other currencies, other currencies. 790 01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:36,736 The reserve currency needs to be spent in the country of origin or exchanged into other currencies. 791 01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:42,632 Most foreign banks do not have deposit taking accounts outside of their national borders 792 01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:48,888 and as such the foreign reserves they hold do not come back to them in the form of deposits. 793 01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:56,988 When a country accumulates trade imbalances it either accumulates foreign reserve currencies 794 01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:05,796 in the case of surplus or spends its own reserves in the case of negative trade balances. 795 01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:12,976 Balance of trade is basically the difference between what you're selling abroad and what you're buying from abroad. 796 01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:18,960 Now, the feature of the UK is that for a very long period of time 797 01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:21,976 it's had a deficit of something called a visible balance of trade 798 01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:24,733 which is trading things that you can see. 799 01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:30,976 So that is goods that you'd recognise, stuff you can put in containers, it's cars, computers, things that you'd see in a shop. 800 01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:40,824 That's been a substantial deficit. I think it opened up in the early 1980s and essentially it hasn't gone away since 801 01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:42,976 - if anything it's got wider and wider. 802 01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:47,608 Foreign exchange reserves cannot be directly used for domestic spending. 803 01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:52,336 The money can only be spent abroad or on imports. 804 01:23:54,000 --> 01:24:04,808 A country with a large balance of trade deficit relies on its creditors to spend the imbalances accrued in its own market. 805 01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:10,976 There have been proposals in the past to try and create a mechanism for those imbalances to match up. 806 01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:15,976 So Keynes, for instance John Maynard Keynes at the end of the Second World War 807 01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:22,976 - his original proposal for what became Bretton Woods and the set of institutions settled there like the IMF and World Bank 808 01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:25,976 was that there would be a kind of international clearing union. 809 01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:30,976 This is particularly related to the trade side rather than the financial side directly 810 01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:36,976 but the principle was that once trade balances had opened up everybody would bank through an international clearing bank 811 01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:43,976 and that would kind of force everyone to eventually reconcile the imbalances that appeared in the real economy. 812 01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:54,472 But no such mechanism exists. The accumulated net trade imbalance of the UK is around 800 billion. 813 01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:08,976 In essence what has happened is that over many years some countries have had big trade surpluses and others big trade deficits. 814 01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:13,976 The countries with trade deficits have been spending more than they've been earning 815 01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:18,976 so they've had to borrow from abroad and they've been doing this year after year. 816 01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:23,976 Countries like that, the United States, ourselves and some other countries in Europe 817 01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:28,864 - that cannot go on and there are two ways in which this can come to an end. 818 01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:34,976 Either and we've seen this in some of the countries in Europe, if they can't find new ways to become competitive 819 01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:37,976 then their ability to repay the debts is called into question. 820 01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:42,976 Another way of doing it, which we followed is that we have a credible plan to repay our debts 821 01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:50,296 and the value of sterling has fallen by 25% to make our exports more competitive and attractive to overseas buyers 822 01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:57,976 and to be more attractive for British consumers to buy from British producers rather than overseas producers. 823 01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:03,976 That is what we have done to put in place a framework to rebalance our economy and I'm sure that's the right way to do it. 824 01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:12,940 Currency war, also known as competitive devaluation, is a condition where countries compete against each other 825 01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,976 to achieve a relatively low exchange rate for their currency. 826 01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:22,656 As the price to buy a particular currency falls so too does the real price of exports from that country. 827 01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:28,416 Domestic industry receives a boost in demand both at home and abroad. 828 01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:34,976 It's made British exports appear rather cheaper so they recovered a little bit 829 01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:38,976 but because the rest of the world is looking really quite ropey they've started to fall back down again. 830 01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:45,976 So what we're looking at is something that is almost like a kind of anarchy and in a way an increasing anarchy. 831 01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:50,976 This is what's happened over the last few years where the Brazilian Finance Minister has been the most vocal about this, 832 01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:57,976 talking about currency wars, talking about the desire of national governments when confronted by a major recession 833 01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:02,976 they think If we could export more we can dig ourselves out of this recession. 834 01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:05,976 If we want to export more we depreciate our currency. 835 01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:08,976 That makes our goods cheaper everyone else buys them and we'll all be better off. 836 01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:13,976 The issue here is if you depreciate its like everyone else appreciates against you. 837 01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:17,976 Their stuff becomes more expensive so they're not happy about that. 838 01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:22,976 They also want to depreciate and this is where you can see a competitive round of devaluations breaking out. 839 01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:30,040 To decrease the value of its national currency a national central bank sells reserve currency into the market. 840 01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:35,736 It creates this currency out of nothing by typing numbers into a computer. 841 01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:54,976 During the long phase of commodity money, the exchange rate would depend on the amount of gold, 842 01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:58,584 silver or copper contained in the coins of each country. 843 01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:04,096 Similarly after the advent of paper money and the gold standard, 844 01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:09,976 the exchange rate depended on the amount of gold the government promised to pay the holder of the bank notes. 845 01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:17,808 These amounts did not vary greatly in the short term and as such exchange rates between currencies were relatively stable. 846 01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:31,800 After the Second World War currencies were pegged to the dollar and the dollar was backed by gold, this system came to an end in 1971. 847 01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:37,056 So, we have a modern financial system where money is now chaotically organised, 848 01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:41,976 there is no exchange rate because there is no gold standard system to sustain it, 849 01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:46,976 so we don't need it. In fact we believe the market will resolve all the problems of exchange 850 01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:51,976 whether your currency should be worth more than mine is a reflection of your economy relative to mine 851 01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:56,976 and if that changes the currency and exchange rate can change and if we need that to happen 852 01:28:57,000 --> 01:29:02,976 it will happen magically by the efficiency of market and profit seeking. You guys know the rest I think. 853 01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:08,056 A currency's value in relation to another currency is determined by the market. 854 01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:13,544 If more people want to buy a currency than sell it its value increases. 855 01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:18,936 If more people want to sell, its value decreases. 856 01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:26,856 The value is set by individual banks as they buy and sell currencies they will adjust the exchange rate. 857 01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:39,816 The last study I read in 2007 each day on currency markets $3.2 trillion are traded, each day. 858 01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:43,100 Who knows what the global GDP is? 859 01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:46,580 50? Again Brucey, higher! 860 01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:54,804 60; that's closer. The point is - think about that exchange happening every single day 861 01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:57,733 - there's about 260 business days a year. 862 01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:05,864 It takes a few weeks to match the global value of every economic transaction that happens everywhere, 863 01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:10,567 every day, in a year. It takes a few weeks. 864 01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:15,976 Obviously all of us trade currency fairly regularly. If you go abroad you exchange into another currency. 865 01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:21,976 That's a form of currency trading - you're swapping your pounds or euros or yen whatever it might be. 866 01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:25,976 That happens fairly regularly and that's a conventional part of the trading process. 867 01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:29,456 Large corporations have to do this on a regular basis. 868 01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:35,976 Where it becomes something that people question and where you get people saying Well hang on, this is speculation! 869 01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:40,976 is when you get people realising that currencies move around next to each other and if they move around in value next to each other 870 01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:45,976 there's always an opportunity to try and make money out of those changes in value and therefore you can speculate on it. 871 01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,976 That's the more questionable end of the market, 872 01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:53,976 that's the bit of the market that things like a financial transactions tax will try and chop away at 873 01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:59,976 because the assumption there and it's kind of not incorrect is that it just produces instability for everyone else. 874 01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:03,976 These people want volatility in the market because that's how they make their money. 875 01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:08,976 They want to encourage it and they do encourage it by trading and speculating in the way that they do. 876 01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:15,336 By 2010 the foreign exchange market had grown to be the largest and most liquid market in the world 877 01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:22,416 with an average of $4 trillion of currency being exchanged every day. 878 01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:33,232 Volatility creates a need. What does it do to countries, especially perhaps small ones like developing countries, 879 01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:44,128 if there are suddenly huge and instantly fluctuating financial flows? What do they have to do to cope? 880 01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:48,976 Increase the production of the products they're selling and sell more 881 01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:50,440 Lowering the price 882 01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:53,976 And becoming possibly even poorer. 883 01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:59,976 Once you start talking about the international system it becomes really quite a peculiar thing 884 01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:05,696 in that a lot of it depends on simply sentiment and beliefs about what an economy is like 885 01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:08,976 rather more than it depends on anything the economy might or might not actually be doing 886 01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:13,976 and that can shift very rapidly because if it's just someone's belief about a currency is supportable 887 01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:17,904 then you know they can carry on believing this until whenever 888 01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:21,976 - If that belief changes it can change very rapidly in a financial market. 889 01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:26,976 The process of financial contagion can take place in just minutes or seconds even. 890 01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:38,000 You can just move from being an apparently quite a stable robust economy to being one that suddenly sentiment has turned against you 891 01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:39,976 and you find that the markets are picking on you. 892 01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:45,976 It can often be not much more than you're simply the next door neighbour of a country that's currently in trouble. 893 01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:51,904 Many of the world's financial crises in the past thirty years 894 01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:58,336 have been caused by rapid withdrawals of a nation's currency or the currencies of an entire region. 895 01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:03,096 This type of activity is often referred to as financial warfare. 896 01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:11,952 It's benefited major institutions really quite substantially, like Goldman Sachs for example, 897 01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:19,976 or any large bank has done somewhat better out of this set of arrangements than it would have done in a far more regulated environment. 898 01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:24,976 It's made people very, very wealthy. It's allowed financial markets to expand absolutely enormously. 899 01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:30,976 Anybody involved in that is keen on seeing a deregulated world. In the case of the UK you have a government 900 01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:35,480 which has been quite overtly and deliberately and aggressively arguing 901 01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:39,976 against any forms of regulation being imposed on those financial markets. 902 01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:43,976 But it's not the case that there's someone behind the scenes pulling the strings 903 01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:48,976 - this is how things work - quite deliberately, overtly, in front of you. That's the world as it is. 904 01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:53,096 It is making some people very rich. They're quite happy with it. 905 01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:57,533 I think it is a form of economic warfare. 906 01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:07,276 Much of the change in the way that the global economy works over the last thirty years result from this debt, 907 01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:14,976 this third world debt because it's given rich countries and banks and the financial sector enormous amounts of power and control 908 01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:19,976 over the poorer bits of the world where a lot of the resources are that we like using 909 01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:24,976 and that's being used in a way that many people have compared to a form of colonialism. 910 01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:31,848 It's a very real direct form of power that's being used over those countries to force those countries to do 911 01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:36,976 what are really in the interests of the richest segments of the world that they do. 912 01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:40,976 And as a result of that not only have corporations become absolutely 913 01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:48,180 made huge amounts of profit and absolutely enormous and all pervasive, 914 01:34:48,200 --> 01:34:55,984 but the financial sector has become even bigger than that and the real money in the world to be made today 915 01:34:56,000 --> 01:35:01,976 is not by producing anything at all, it's purely by forms of speculating. Making money from money 916 01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:10,952 - that's the most profitable and by far and away the biggest form of economic activity that exists in the world today. 917 01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:16,568 To protect themselves, vulnerable countries need to accrue currency from rich countries 918 01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:19,867 who create these currencies out of nothing. 919 01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:26,976 The Netherlands, first Governor General of Indonesia the man who built the trade routes, 920 01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:33,848 fortified them, what I mean by that is built forts along them and fought Spanish fleets and British fleets, 921 01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:47,000 said about the development of the Netherlands Empire and Netherlands trade was "We cannot make trade without war, nor war without trade." 922 01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:48,280 Money and power. 923 01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:59,692 So reserves have become the way in which you can insure yourself against what? 924 01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:06,120 Speculation. You said Speculation. Speculative attack. Falling markets. Bubbles. 925 01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:15,440 When a country succumbs to a speculative attack it is asked to deregulate its markets 926 01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:20,032 and conform its financial system to that of the dominant party. 927 01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:26,976 The big problem that's faced by most developing countries who've got into a debt crises 928 01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:30,976 was that they were told by the powers that be in the world, the International Monetary Fund, 929 01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:37,592 which in many ways governs the global financial system, that the way to get out of debt is first of all 930 01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:44,976 to restructure your economy, especially to increase your exports so you're earning more dollars and then you can pay off 931 01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:48,976 your debt which is normally in dollars or some other foreign currency. 932 01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:53,864 Unfortunately time and time again that was proved to not be the case at all. 933 01:36:54,000 --> 01:37:00,976 Actually countries cut back their public spending to the bone so they stopped growing; they stopped having any potential for growth 934 01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:06,976 and what they did produce was aimed at the export market, was aimed at creating dollars and so on. 935 01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:10,976 They were paying off their debts but they weren't developing their own economy at all. 936 01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:15,976 They were paying far more in debt repayments than they were spending on health or education or anything else 937 01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:18,976 and their debts just kept getting bigger and bigger. 938 01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:27,640 The country becomes a vassal state allowing large corporations to exploit its natural resources and workforce. 939 01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:37,976 It's not even shadowy. There's no great mystery about what's happening here and how the world operates. 940 01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:47,000 It's quite blunt. For the last thirty years you've got something pretty much everywhere that generally gets labelled Neoliberalism 941 01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:52,976 - this idea that you should have floating exchange rates, weak regulation particularly of financial markets, 942 01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:57,976 minimal government interference or involvement in what the market does and it's more or less how the world operates. 943 01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:04,976 And then there are institutions - the outstanding one at this point is the IMF - that will actively try and enforce this state of affairs. 944 01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:12,976 So it's not greatly shadowy, that there are people behind the scenes somewhere trying to manipulate stuff, this is actually quite overt. 945 01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:17,944 This is happening and this is how it has been for my entire adult life. 946 01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:25,808 This is how the world is operated and it's made some people very wealthy, it's produced enormous concentrations of wealth. 947 01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:35,000 So when the International Monetary Fund comes in, in order to try and alleviate a country's debt problems, it imposes a set of conditions. 948 01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:39,976 In the 1980s and 90's they called that set of conditions a Structural Adjustment Programme 949 01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:42,976 and it tends to take very similar forms wherever it happens. 950 01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:48,976 Indeed we can see structural adjustment programmes in essence happening today in countries like Greece and Portugal and Ireland 951 01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:56,904 where countries are instructed to decrease the amount they spend on the public sector, 952 01:38:57,000 --> 01:39:04,932 they are instructed to liberalise their trade market and liberalise their capital market 953 01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:07,976 so money can much more easily come in and out of their economy. 954 01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:12,976 The idea is that this will encourage investment to come in from richer parts of the world 955 01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:16,976 and that all of their problems will be solved from this investment. 956 01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:22,504 In actual fact this is proved time and time again to be completely without foundation. 957 01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:27,976 In actual fact what happens is it destroys fledgling industries and capacities in these developing countries 958 01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:32,976 and developing countries become completely dependent on goods and services from developed countries 959 01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:39,976 and also from capital from developed countries. One of the things the International Monetary Fund is very keen on 960 01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:46,976 is telling countries to lower the taxes that should be paid by multinational corporations when they come and operate in a country 961 01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:49,976 because then you'll encourage more multinationals to come in. 962 01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:55,976 Of course what it also means is the profits that are made by those multinational corporations leave those countries just as quickly 963 01:39:56,000 --> 01:40:02,000 and the country itself doesn't benefit. Today you have many developing countries which have got almost no tax base. 964 01:40:02,001 --> 01:40:09,000 They've not developed a tax base at all and so they're even more dependent on international capital markets, 965 01:40:09,001 --> 01:40:15,000 on the money markets, on creating debt and that's why you have so many countries in the world that have really been robbed of their sovereignty, 966 01:40:15,001 --> 01:40:22,000 and it's very difficult to see how democratic societies can evolve or function when actually a government is more dependent on 967 01:40:22,001 --> 01:40:27,000 the diktats of the International Monetary Fund and the money markets than it is on their own people. 968 01:40:33,001 --> 01:40:43,000 What we've seen since the 1970s is a dramatic increase in a series of phenomena that have had a stimulative effect 969 01:40:43,001 --> 01:40:50,000 on the changes in the financial system that have brought us to the gleaming and shiny metal and steel business that's over there. 970 01:40:50,001 --> 01:40:53,000 In case you don't know that's the City of London I'm pointing at. 971 01:40:53,001 --> 01:40:59,000 To compensate for the lack of a defined commodity based value underlying currencies, 972 01:40:59,001 --> 01:41:06,000 financial institutions developed securitisation as a means to manage risk. 973 01:41:06,001 --> 01:41:11,000 You develop securitisation as a means to try and stabilise the whole system 974 01:41:11,001 --> 01:41:18,000 this is a set of financial processes and financial innovations that really accelerate from the 70s, 80s onwards. 975 01:41:18,001 --> 01:41:23,000 You had a chaotic system that needed to manage risk and you had to innovate. 976 01:41:23,001 --> 01:41:30,000 You needed derivatives, options, futures. You have new markets in volatility management tools. 977 01:41:30,001 --> 01:41:32,000 Who knows what the term hedging is? 978 01:41:32,001 --> 01:41:37,000 Spreading your risk. Managing your risk, insuring against it, precisely. 979 01:41:37,001 --> 01:41:44,000 Up until very recently, until the 1960s the Securities and Exchange Commission would be quite clear 980 01:41:44,001 --> 01:41:50,000 that derivatives that weren't based on real products like agricultural products - so pork belly futures or whatever 981 01:41:50,001 --> 01:41:54,000 would in fact be essentially a kind of gambling and therefore you weren't allowed to trade them. 982 01:41:54,001 --> 01:41:59,000 That changes in the sixties. Everyone can trade currency futures, 983 01:41:59,001 --> 01:42:06,000 things that are not based on real products being traded at some point in the future but are based on the movement of currency prices. 984 01:42:06,001 --> 01:42:11,000 Once you have the system of fixed exchange rates breaking down obviously this accelerates enormously 985 01:42:11,001 --> 01:42:17,000 so as you get the rollback of government regulation here, you get the market taking over with its own products here 986 01:42:17,001 --> 01:42:21,000 and the theory is that the market is better at regulating itself, 987 01:42:21,001 --> 01:42:24,000 its more stable than if you have a government interfering all the time. 988 01:42:24,001 --> 01:42:29,000 The efficient markets hypothesis - the idea that you have set up a financial market, they're fast, 989 01:42:29,001 --> 01:42:33,000 everybody in them is well informed, they all keep a very careful eye on what everyone else is doing 990 01:42:33,001 --> 01:42:38,000 it'll therefore be very stable and reflect real changes in the economy. 991 01:42:38,001 --> 01:42:44,000 So it no driven by panics, manias, speculative bubbles. None of this is really going to happen. 992 01:42:44,001 --> 01:42:51,000 If there is movement up and down it's because something real is happening and traders and investors in financial markets are responding to it. 993 01:42:51,001 --> 01:42:57,000 So that's the efficient markets hypothesis. The practice - I think what you see in 2008 is the end of that process 994 01:42:57,001 --> 01:43:05,000 the appearance of a crisis so major that belief that it'll simply be self-stabilising and self-regulating really can't carry on. 995 01:43:05,001 --> 01:43:09,000 The practice carries on anyway but you can't really argue in the same way that you used to 996 01:43:09,001 --> 01:43:16,000 "It's good" or "It's necessary" or "This is OK for the world". 997 01:43:16,001 --> 01:43:20,000 In the last decade we had a new innovation - something called a credit default swap. 998 01:43:20,001 --> 01:43:24,000 A way of buying insurance against a company you invested in going bust 999 01:43:24,001 --> 01:43:35,000 and in 2002 they were worth less than $1 trillion. In 2007 they were worth $60 trillion. 1000 01:43:35,001 --> 01:43:37,000 That's five years. 1001 01:43:37,001 --> 01:43:45,000 Everybody is suddenly sitting there saying Oh! These CDO's we've made don't in fact provide the kind of stability that we thought. 1002 01:43:45,001 --> 01:43:49,000 The maths that's inside of them is complete nonsense it turns out. 1003 01:43:49,001 --> 01:43:56,000 There's far more risk attached to trying to securitise risk and securitise debt 1004 01:43:56,001 --> 01:44:02,000 in the way that we have done this than we thought. And we now think these things are now worthless! 1005 01:44:02,001 --> 01:44:08,000 The attempt to get more and more complex ways of regulating and shaping a financial market 1006 01:44:08,001 --> 01:44:15,000 and trying to make a quick buck out of it as well actually helped produce the opposite effect to what its apologists said 1007 01:44:15,001 --> 01:44:18,000 - which is, it led to a spectacular crash. 1008 01:44:22,001 --> 01:44:29,000 What we saw as a result of this very different situation was one phenomenon above all, 1009 01:44:29,001 --> 01:44:35,000 one sector above all grew, and that was the financial sector. 1010 01:44:35,001 --> 01:44:39,000 While the financial sector benefits enormously from the current monetary system, 1011 01:44:39,001 --> 01:44:42,000 the system is neither stable nor fair. 1012 01:44:42,001 --> 01:44:51,000 The assumption in what the Bank of England does right now is that the cash that we hold is backed up by government debt. 1013 01:44:51,001 --> 01:44:56,000 The government can back up its promises by the fact that it can tax the public. 1014 01:44:56,001 --> 01:45:00,000 So what they're implying is that cash is backed up by government debt, 1015 01:45:00,001 --> 01:45:04,000 when government debt is backed up by the ability of the government to get cash from the public. 1016 01:45:04,001 --> 01:45:11,000 Time and time again over the past thirty years we've seen private debts being transformed into public debts, 1017 01:45:11,001 --> 01:45:19,000 and ultimately the price of that debt is being paid by the public in the debtor country. 1018 01:45:19,001 --> 01:45:23,000 This is why spending cuts are necessary. 1019 01:45:23,001 --> 01:45:31,000 The system is designed to make certain people very rich at the expense of a nation's citizens and tax payers. 1020 01:45:31,001 --> 01:45:39,000 The system lowers the standard of living of the majority and distributes this wealth amongst the privileged. 1021 01:45:39,001 --> 01:45:46,000 So what we are left with is a financial system since the early 70s that has no fixed exchange rates 1022 01:45:46,001 --> 01:45:51,000 that suddenly has increasingly open financial borders, 1023 01:45:51,001 --> 01:46:00,000 that has central banks having to manage without having any control because there's nothing here where the gold used to be. 1024 01:46:00,001 --> 01:46:09,000 Chaotically they have to ease quantitatively. They have to lend as a lender of last resort. 1025 01:46:09,001 --> 01:46:17,000 Throughout history monetary systems were designed to give the dominant international power an advantage 1026 01:46:17,001 --> 01:46:21,000 and this power is fiercely defended and expanded on. 1027 01:46:28,001 --> 01:46:32,000 And I plea and tell of an incredible bogey man. 1028 01:46:34,001 --> 01:46:41,000 An American flag is burned at the height of the demonstration. Both President Johnson and Francisco Franco were vilified. 1029 01:46:41,001 --> 01:46:45,000 A new low in public protest added strain on Spanish-American relations. 1030 01:46:48,001 --> 01:46:50,000 Order in the court, order in the court,... 1031 01:46:52,001 --> 01:46:55,000 I want Americans and all the world to know 1032 01:46:55,001 --> 01:46:56,000 Come on fire 1033 01:46:56,001 --> 01:47:04,000 I want Americans and all the world to know, America has no regard for conventions of war or rules of morality. 1034 01:47:04,001 --> 01:47:06,000 Fire 1035 01:47:12,001 --> 01:47:15,000 Objection overruled. 1036 01:47:27,001 --> 01:47:38,000 What I would like to see is a new kind of currency that is backed by something that is scarce 1037 01:47:38,001 --> 01:47:44,000 and that we really need and we really value. Something like energy or renewable energy, for example, 1038 01:47:44,001 --> 01:47:49,000 so as a kilowatt hour backed currency would be very interesting to me. 1039 01:47:49,001 --> 01:47:57,000 We need to start valuing things that are most scarce and that we need to survive as a human race in the long run. 1040 01:47:57,001 --> 01:48:03,000 Backing an international currency with something like that will generate enormous investment in, 1041 01:48:03,001 --> 01:48:14,000 for example, renewable energy, if that's the primary international unit of account that is being used. 1042 01:48:14,001 --> 01:48:21,000 Another option is a basket of currencies so you mix up the value of different currencies 1043 01:48:21,001 --> 01:48:27,000 to create a very solid currency that people have confidence in. 1044 01:48:27,001 --> 01:48:35,000 Perhaps even better would be a basket of commodities with which to back up international currencies. 1045 01:48:35,001 --> 01:48:43,000 Now if it was possible, internationally, some way or another, to get all these increasingly competing national economies together 1046 01:48:43,001 --> 01:48:49,000 and say We're all going to sit down and write out an agreement, somewhat like the Bretton Woods agreement 1047 01:48:49,001 --> 01:48:55,000 which will allow for, unlike Bretton Woods, some currencies to be pegged against different baskets of goods 1048 01:48:55,001 --> 01:49:03,000 more appropriate to their national economies. If you could arrange for that to happen then that would be nice 1049 01:49:03,001 --> 01:49:08,000 and you can see how that would start to create a kind of order in the international macro economy which is otherwise lacking. 1050 01:49:08,001 --> 01:49:12,000 The real difficulty there is just political who on Earth is going to do this? 1051 01:49:12,001 --> 01:49:18,000 Who is the force that is going to make this thing happen? 1052 01:49:18,001 --> 01:49:25,000 Creating a monetary system which is both fair and stable is possible and can be achieved. 1053 01:49:25,001 --> 01:49:32,000 What are international organisations for if not for such a purpose? 1054 01:49:40,001 --> 01:49:46,000 Banks are the most heavily subsidised businesses in the world, specially protected by governments. 1055 01:49:46,001 --> 01:49:51,000 While the money runs out for the rest of us, the largest private banks still thrive. 1056 01:49:51,001 --> 01:49:57,000 This is because they get the biggest subsidy of them all: the licence to print money. 1057 01:49:57,001 --> 01:50:02,000 Hard to believe? Martin Wolf, the Chief Economics Editor of the Financial Times, said it recently: 1058 01:50:02,001 --> 01:50:11,000 "The essence of the contemporary monetary system is the creation of money out of nothing by private banks' often foolish lending" 1059 01:50:11,001 --> 01:50:20,000 You heard that right. Private banks create money out of nothing. Then, they loan it to us and ask for interest on top. 1060 01:50:20,001 --> 01:50:27,000 If you've ever wondered why the bank buildings around the world soar higher than any palace or spire ever did, you now have the answer. 1061 01:50:27,001 --> 01:50:34,000 But the banks don't simply print money using secret printing presses in their basements. They don't have to. 1062 01:50:34,001 --> 01:50:38,000 Like so many other things these days, printing money has now gone digital. 1063 01:50:38,001 --> 01:50:43,000 With the popular use of debit cards, electronic fund transfers and internet banking, 1064 01:50:43,001 --> 01:50:52,000 only 3% of the money in the UK is now made of paper and metal coin. The other 97% is entirely in computers. 1065 01:50:52,001 --> 01:50:58,000 Electronic money is convenient for everyone, but it's especially convenient for the private banks, 1066 01:50:58,001 --> 01:51:03,000 since they own, run and control the entire digital money system. 1067 01:51:03,001 --> 01:51:08,000 And what do they do with this special privilege? Do they channel new money, the blood supply of the nation, 1068 01:51:08,001 --> 01:51:14,000 towards the things we need like hospitals, schools, universities and public transport? 1069 01:51:14,001 --> 01:51:18,000 Not if it doesn't make a profit for them. 1070 01:51:18,001 --> 01:51:25,000 Instead, they use their licence to print money to gamble on the financial markets and push house prices out of reach of ordinary people 1071 01:51:25,001 --> 01:51:29,000 by pumping hundreds of billions of pounds into risky mortgages. 1072 01:51:29,001 --> 01:51:38,000 This is exactly how the banks caused the financial crisis and now the rest of us are being asked to pay for it. 1073 01:51:41,001 --> 01:51:48,000 If we can't afford to run hospitals and build schools, can we really afford to subsidise the financial industry? 1074 01:51:48,001 --> 01:51:52,000 Should we have to live with less so the bankers can have more? 1075 01:51:52,001 --> 01:52:01,000 This is ludicrous and it's time to put a stop to it. The private banks can't be trusted to hold the reigns to our entire economy. 1076 01:52:01,001 --> 01:52:05,000 We need to take away the banks' power to create money out of nothing. 1077 01:52:05,001 --> 01:52:09,000 This will stop them from causing yet another financial meltdown 1078 01:52:09,001 --> 01:52:14,000 and allow us to afford the crucial services that we as a society need. 1079 01:52:19,001 --> 01:52:24,000 What does a progressive financial system look like? And I want to hear what some of you think. 1080 01:52:24,001 --> 01:52:30,000 Who thinks, for example, that we should ban banks from creating money? 1081 01:52:30,001 --> 01:52:35,000 Control over how money is created and what it's used for is a democratic issue. 1082 01:52:35,001 --> 01:52:42,000 You currently have the profit seeking banking sector -not accountable to anybody other than themselves- 1083 01:52:42,001 --> 01:52:51,000 who are creating up to �200 billion a year of new spending power and deciding where in the economy that goes. 1084 01:52:51,001 --> 01:52:57,000 Monetary reformers believe that that entire money supply should be for the benefit of the public 1085 01:52:57,001 --> 01:53:02,000 and should never be created by a private organisation as debt. 1086 01:53:02,001 --> 01:53:12,000 Democratising the money supply - what that means is putting the power to issue and allocate money back into hands of people 1087 01:53:12,001 --> 01:53:21,000 and taking it away from private organisations, institutions that don't actually represent the people, 1088 01:53:21,001 --> 01:53:27,000 that aren't democratically accountable to the people. The banks aren't democratically accountable... 1089 01:53:27,001 --> 01:53:30,000 they're accountable to their shareholders and their shareholders only. 1090 01:53:30,001 --> 01:53:36,000 Now they're underwritten by us by the taxpayer but they're not accountable to us. That doesn't make any sense at all. 1091 01:53:36,001 --> 01:53:43,000 So, if you democratise the monetary system, you are subjecting it to the same kinds of discipline 1092 01:53:43,001 --> 01:53:52,000 as the education system, as the health service and other key publicly needed services. 1093 01:53:52,001 --> 01:54:01,000 There is no reason that money should be viewed as any different. It is a fundamentally important service that everybody needs. 1094 01:54:01,001 --> 01:54:05,000 I can't survive without enough money, nobody can. 1095 01:54:05,001 --> 01:54:15,000 So it cannot be controlled purely by this small elite of big banks as it is in the UK. We do need a different system. 1096 01:54:15,001 --> 01:54:23,000 We believe that the activity of supplying a nation with money should be completely separate from the activity of banking. 1097 01:54:23,001 --> 01:54:32,000 What we need to do now is update that law from 1844 to make the digital money real money. 1098 01:54:32,001 --> 01:54:36,000 It could be electronic money, but it needs to be classified as money. 1099 01:54:36,001 --> 01:54:45,000 We just want banks to be like every other private company in the economy - to be subject to market discipline. 1100 01:54:45,001 --> 01:54:52,000 The problem is that now we're in this hybrid model where we have no control over how they spend the money 1101 01:54:52,001 --> 01:54:58,000 which creates our money, but also we're reliant on them to create our money. 1102 01:54:58,001 --> 01:55:02,000 We're all constantly in debt. We'll be in debt pretty much for the rest of our lives 1103 01:55:02,001 --> 01:55:07,000 and the younger generations have it even worse than the older generations. 1104 01:55:07,001 --> 01:55:16,000 I've just been reading a report from the United Nations Environment Programme and they say we need $2 trillion a year. 1105 01:55:16,001 --> 01:55:25,000 Two trillion - can you imagine what two trillion is? It's a lot of money - a year, to finance the greening of the economy, 1106 01:55:25,001 --> 01:55:31,000 to move away from poisonous carbon which is poisoning the atmosphere to alternatives to carbon. 1107 01:55:31,001 --> 01:55:37,000 When the banks collapsed in 2007-9, we found according to the Bank of England, not me, 1108 01:55:37,001 --> 01:55:44,000 the Bank of England tells me that we raised $14 trillion in a year to bail out the banks 1109 01:55:44,001 --> 01:55:50,000 so against that $2 trillion a year to bail out the ecosystem is no big deal. 1110 01:55:50,001 --> 01:55:56,000 This kind of model doesn't make any sense either from an orthodox free market perspective 1111 01:55:56,001 --> 01:56:04,000 because these banks are monopolists - effectively they monopolise credit creation so they don't obey the rules of any free market discipline. 1112 01:56:04,001 --> 01:56:15,000 Yet at the same time, they are not producing socially or environmentally beneficial outcomes along any real scale. 1113 01:56:15,001 --> 01:56:19,000 All that money does is enable us to do what we can do 1114 01:56:19,001 --> 01:56:26,000 and once we get our heads around that we can make money work for what we need. 1115 01:56:28,001 --> 01:56:35,000 The power to create money is so powerful. You've got to be very concerned about who has that power. 1116 01:56:35,001 --> 01:56:39,000 If it's somebody who's going to benefit from creating the money 1117 01:56:39,001 --> 01:56:43,000 then they're going to have the incentive to create more than the economy actually needs. 1118 01:56:43,001 --> 01:56:46,000 The same would probably happen if you give that power to politicians. 1119 01:56:46,001 --> 01:56:55,000 You know you can't trust the politicians to be trying to please voters and to have power over creating money at the same time. 1120 01:56:55,001 --> 01:57:00,000 It's a real conflict of interest. The only thing you really can do 1121 01:57:00,001 --> 01:57:07,000 is to give it to somebody who has no conflict of interest - an independent, transparent, accountable body. 1122 01:57:07,001 --> 01:57:12,000 Money could be allocated according to the needs and desires of the population. 1123 01:57:12,001 --> 01:57:20,000 Systems could be put in place to allow for direct democratic allocation of funds either wholly or partially. 1124 01:57:20,001 --> 01:57:25,000 A framework and rules could be established to incorporate up to date economic theory 1125 01:57:25,001 --> 01:57:31,000 into how much money should be created and for what types of purposes. 1126 01:57:31,001 --> 01:57:37,000 The Government would no longer be able to get access to large sums of money to pursue armed conflict 1127 01:57:37,001 --> 01:57:41,000 if this was not sanctioned by the populace. 1128 01:57:41,001 --> 01:57:46,000 We would be able to see exactly what they're doing with the power to create money. 1129 01:57:46,001 --> 01:57:49,000 We would be able to see how much they're creating and where that money is going. 1130 01:57:49,001 --> 01:57:56,000 And that is pretty much the only way we can get control over the power to create money and stop it being abused. 1131 01:57:56,001 --> 01:58:03,000 The Money Reform Party was established in 2005 just after the 2005 general election. 1132 01:58:03,001 --> 01:58:11,000 The idea of the Money Reform Party was that we would have this basic core issue that people would agree with. 1133 01:58:11,001 --> 01:58:17,000 They might disagree on other issues, that's fair enough, there are different ways of going about it 1134 01:58:17,001 --> 01:58:27,000 but that was the idea - to go for what you might call the lowest common denominator to attract people with disparate views. 1135 01:58:27,001 --> 01:58:35,000 Getting elected to Parliament is not the issue - it's getting the issue of money reform into the public domain 1136 01:58:35,001 --> 01:58:37,000 so people will begin to talk about it. 1137 01:58:44,001 --> 01:58:48,000 Banks should not be able to gamble with your money without your permission 1138 01:58:48,001 --> 01:58:56,000 so what they would need to do is to offer two types of account. One is a safe account, a transactions account'. 1139 01:58:56,001 --> 01:59:00,000 Put your money in there - the bank doesn't lend it. They don't put it at any risk whatsoever. 1140 01:59:00,001 --> 01:59:04,000 The other is an investment account where you put your money in for a certain period of time 1141 01:59:04,001 --> 01:59:11,000 and then the bank takes that away and they invest it. What happens when you use these two types of account is 1142 01:59:11,001 --> 01:59:17,000 that in the event that a bank fails, the money in the safe accounts is still there - it's not at risk. 1143 01:59:17,001 --> 01:59:21,000 So you just move all the safe accounts to a bank that is still healthy. 1144 01:59:21,001 --> 01:59:25,000 Those people who put their money in the investment account - they don't lose everything 1145 01:59:25,001 --> 01:59:34,000 but they have to wait for the standard liquidation procedure to find out how much of the assets of the banks will be returned to them. 1146 01:59:34,001 --> 01:59:39,000 It means that the government then never needs to bail out a bank. Banks can be allowed to fail. 1147 01:59:39,001 --> 01:59:42,000 The system would actually be how people think it is 1148 01:59:42,001 --> 01:59:48,000 - that when you put your money in the bank it's really safe - or at least they used to think perhaps before the 2008 crisis. 1149 01:59:48,001 --> 01:59:52,000 There's a spectrum of opportunities there that we're just not exploring at the moment and 1150 01:59:52,001 --> 02:00:00,000 that's what's upsetting me - that we're not even experimenting when we know that the system we have now is fundamentally flawed. 1151 02:00:00,001 --> 02:00:06,000 We've just had the biggest crisis since the Second World War, since the 1930's really. 1152 02:00:06,001 --> 02:00:12,000 We know we have a system where the creators of money are underwritten by us anyway. 1153 02:00:12,001 --> 02:00:19,000 It's kind of the worst of both worlds the situation we have at the moment which is why we need to start thinking of genuine alternatives. 1154 02:00:19,001 --> 02:00:23,000 So when we're talking about what life is going to be like in the post reformed system 1155 02:00:23,001 --> 02:00:29,000 - it doesn't mean that you can't borrow, it doesn't mean that you have to save up for 50 years before you can buy a house. 1156 02:00:29,001 --> 02:00:34,000 It does mean that you might not be able to buy a house that's 10 or 12 times your income 1157 02:00:34,001 --> 02:00:41,000 but on the flip side, it means that the house that you want to buy probably shouldn't cost you 10 or 12 times your income. 1158 02:00:41,001 --> 02:00:47,000 Houses should be affordable as should everything else. You'll still be able to get a mortgage. 1159 02:00:47,001 --> 02:00:52,000 You'll still be able to get finance for a car. Businesses will still get investment. 1160 02:00:52,001 --> 02:01:00,000 It just means that debt won't be so high. It won't be such a huge feature of people's lives. 1161 02:01:06,001 --> 02:01:13,000 Person to person banking has been around for a while. It's essentially the eBay of banking, 1162 02:01:13,001 --> 02:01:20,000 so it allows borrowers and lenders to be put together in a marketplace. 1163 02:01:20,001 --> 02:01:26,000 Default rates at the largest peer to peer lender, Zopa, are 0.7%. 1164 02:01:26,001 --> 02:01:34,000 Risk is minimised by pooling funds so that each investor's contribution to a specific loan remains minimal. 1165 02:01:34,001 --> 02:01:44,000 There's a site which is about currency exchange, so again, bypassing the kind of mainstream banking or currency exchange system 1166 02:01:44,001 --> 02:01:52,900 and just doing it person to person. I think a lot of the interesting stuff that's going to happen around currencies and around money more generally 1167 02:01:52,901 --> 02:02:03,100 is to do with the impact of the internet. My gut feeling is that we will see more and more of those types of systems. 1168 02:02:03,101 --> 02:02:11,100 We will also see more and more applications and things using our phones than we would ever have imagined 1169 02:02:11,201 --> 02:02:14,200 and I think we're only just at the beginning of that. 1170 02:02:23,001 --> 02:02:32,200 The issue of monetary reform has historically been a very sensitive issue because of the incredible power, wealth and privileges it bestows. 1171 02:02:33,001 --> 02:02:38,000 In an age where analytic thought and a scientific approach are held in such high esteem 1172 02:02:38,301 --> 02:02:47,300 there is no justifiable argument for keeping the mechanics and implications of the monetary process such a taboo subject. 1173 02:02:47,301 --> 02:02:55,000 As democratic citizens we have the right to demand a monetary system which is both stable and beneficial to society. 1174 02:02:55,201 --> 02:03:02,000 The banking lobby is very powerful. I suspect that they won't be in favour of these kinds of models 1175 02:03:02,001 --> 02:03:08,500 although ultimately one could argue that it's a much more stable footing for banks. 1176 02:03:10,201 --> 02:03:16,200 The coalition government has set up an Independent Commission on Banking, the ICB 1177 02:03:16,501 --> 02:03:25,500 and their remit is to essentially make recommendations to the government on how the banking sector can be fixed. 1178 02:03:25,901 --> 02:03:30,900 Their remit includes figuring out how they can prevent future bailouts. 1179 02:03:30,401 --> 02:03:38,400 When they held their public meetings around the country, at each of those meetings of the five panellists at that meeting, 1180 02:03:38,401 --> 02:03:43,400 at least about three of them were representatives of the big banks. It's a bizarre relationship. 1181 02:03:43,401 --> 02:03:46,900 If you were going to try and improve building regulations, 1182 02:03:47,201 --> 02:03:50,500 you wouldn't hire a cowboy builder, who'd built a building that collapsed. 1183 02:03:51,001 --> 02:03:55,000 So why are we asking the banks for advice on what we should do about banking? 1184 02:03:56,201 --> 02:04:01,600 The Independent Commission on Banking recommended two major reforms. 1185 02:04:01,901 --> 02:04:08,300 The first was the implementation of greater capital and loss absorbing capacity. 1186 02:04:08,301 --> 02:04:17,700 This in effect is complementary to Basel three and will not differentiate the UK banking system from the rest of Europe. 1187 02:04:17,901 --> 02:04:22,900 The second recommendation was the ring-fencing of retail banks. 1188 02:04:23,301 --> 02:04:28,400 Although portrayed as harsh to the banks, it can also be interpreted as a benefit, 1189 02:04:29,101 --> 02:04:35,100 as retail banks will now have a lower capital requirement ratio than investment banks. 1190 02:04:37,601 --> 02:04:40,100 There's this cosy relationship between the government and the banks. 1191 02:04:40,401 --> 02:04:46,000 In the middle of the crisis, I spoke to somebody who was working in the Treasury in the middle of the crisis 1192 02:04:46,301 --> 02:04:50,800 and he said pretty much every second person that he spoke to was working for one of the big banks. 1193 02:04:50,901 --> 02:04:57,900 So when it comes to a decision about whether you let one of these toxic banks fail or whether you rescue it, 1194 02:04:58,401 --> 02:05:03,900 what kind of recommendation are you going to get from somebody who works in that bank? 1195 02:05:04,101 --> 02:05:14,800 I've got a whole string of letters and cards from various politicians over the years. 1196 02:05:15,001 --> 02:05:23,000 Really you get letters which in most cases say nothing at all apart from "Thank you very much". 1197 02:05:23,001 --> 02:05:29,200 Thank you for your letter or thank you for your DVD. I'll have a look at it. 1198 02:05:29,201 --> 02:05:36,200 Or in the case, of course, letters to the last Prime Minister a couple of years ago, 1199 02:05:36,201 --> 02:05:43,200 Thank you for your letter to the Prime Minister, it's been passed on to the Treasury who will no doubt respond to you directly in due course. 1200 02:05:43,201 --> 02:05:48,700 And of course, I'm still waiting about two years later for any sort of response from the Treasury. 1201 02:06:10,701 --> 02:06:13,700 "This is the banking fraternities' feeding station." 1202 02:06:13,901 --> 02:06:21,100 Banks balance sheets are now 4 times GDP at 6 trillion pounds. They are holding the public hostage. 1203 02:06:21,601 --> 02:06:28,600 Their wealth has become so great through gaming the financial system that we are at a tipping point 1204 02:06:28,601 --> 02:06:32,600 whereby a single bank could now take down the entire economy. 1205 02:06:32,601 --> 02:06:39,600 "Eat her, eat her now, eat her! She's a public sector worker! Eat her! Suck her blood, Drink her dry!" 1206 02:06:39,601 --> 02:06:45,600 We can't let the banks go back to business as usual because if they do then all we're going to see is more debt, 1207 02:06:45,601 --> 02:06:53,100 more poverty, more inequality and another crisis in 5 or 10 years which we're going to have to pay for again. 1208 02:06:53,101 --> 02:07:02,100 It is a political issue, ultimately, because the reforms that are required can only be achieved by Parliament. 1209 02:07:02,101 --> 02:07:07,100 We don't need a very big Act of Parliament. All it has to do is basically prevent the clearing banks 1210 02:07:07,101 --> 02:07:15,100 from creating currency based on the debt of their borrowers - that's it. You stop that. 1211 02:07:25,301 --> 02:07:35,300 This is George. George worked in a big bank in the City of London. 1212 02:07:35,701 --> 02:07:43,200 But one day without warning George's bank went bust. Luckily, the government rescued the bank 1213 02:07:43,201 --> 02:07:49,200 and George kept his job but the greedy government wanted something in return for their help. 1214 02:07:49,201 --> 02:07:56,000 They demanded a higher tax on George's salary and bonus. For someone with a high cost lifestyle like George, 1215 02:07:56,001 --> 02:08:03,800 a shock like this can be devastating. Now George struggles to afford the rent on his riverside apartment in central London. 1216 02:08:04,101 --> 02:08:08,100 The tyres on his Aston Martin are wearing thin and are barely road legal. 1217 02:08:08,501 --> 02:08:13,500 Unless George's situation improves - or unless someone like you helps him - 1218 02:08:13,501 --> 02:08:21,500 then George may even be forced to walk to past the next Saville Row tailors and buy his suit from Topshop or Next. 1219 02:08:22,301 --> 02:08:28,900 Even if George had anything to celebrate he can no longer afford the champagne to celebrate with. 1220 02:08:28,901 --> 02:08:40,900 George is not alone. Countless others are suffering like him. No-one knows how long it'll be until the good times return. 1221 02:08:40,701 --> 02:08:52,700 But with your help George can turn his life around. A simple monthly donation from you can bring a bit of sunshine back to George's life. 1222 02:08:52,701 --> 02:08:59,700 Just �395 will help him celebrate minor achievements with a magnum of Cristal champagne. 1223 02:08:59,701 --> 02:09:05,700 As little as �900 will help George buy a new set of tyres for his Aston Martin. 1224 02:09:05,701 --> 02:09:16,700 �2000 can help George recover his self-esteem with a suit from a prestigious Saville Row tailor. But even a small amount will help. 1225 02:09:16,701 --> 02:09:24,700 Just �200 will buy a meal for George and his girlfriend Experience. Just �200 extra will buy the drinks. 1226 02:09:24,701 --> 02:09:31,000 By adopting a banker you won't just be supporting someone like George in a time of need 1227 02:09:31,201 --> 02:09:38,200 - you'll also be supporting the trendy wine bars of the City of London, the luxury car makers of Italy and the tailors of Saville Row. 1228 02:09:38,301 --> 02:09:46,300 You'll be doing your patriotic duty to support Britain's greatest industry in its time of need. 1229 02:09:46,201 --> 02:09:49,200 And when the good times return and George gets his bonus back, 1230 02:09:49,301 --> 02:09:55,300 the taxes he pays will help fund the public services that the rest of you scroungers depend on. 1231 02:09:55,301 --> 02:10:03,300 So please, until the good times return for George and those like him, will you give today? 156257

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