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This is Whitley Strieber.
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I wish to warn you...
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this tape was not
originally made
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for public use.
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It is hard to hear.
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So, there is very
frightening screaming.
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It should not be listened
to by little children.
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It will affect them negatively.
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Welcome to Larry King Live.
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Tonight, Close Encounters
of the Third Kind.
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Whitley Strieber says
they're really out there
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and they could be coming
to get you.
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Now, here's Larry King.
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Our first guest
tonight is author
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of the runaway
bestseller, Communion.
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He is Whitley Strieber.
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What happened to me was,
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after I finally realized
that this was real,
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-And you found
-I...
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-people from another planet
-In the sense
that they were...
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- abducted you.
- Well, people,
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something that was non-human,
that was intelligent.
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And I started
trying to challenge it
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to get through my fear.
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And over a period of months,
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I formed a relationship
with them.
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Whitley Strieber
was a New York Times
best seller.
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He wrote
a book called The Wolfen,
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which then became a movie.
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Also, another book
called The Hunger,
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which also became a movie.
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This is a guy who's already
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a known entity.
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He's a great writer.
He's got a great career
ahead of himself.
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Whitley Strieber
is also a person
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who went through
something profound
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back in 1985
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and wrote a book
about it called Communion
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that pretty much changed
the entire landscape.
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How do you know
you're not nuts, Whitley?
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Well...
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Before this,
there's no conversation
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of people being abducted.
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And here, this known entity
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writes this book and says,
this happened to me.
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This is a landmark
in this field.
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- You've taken lie detector tests.
- - Three, yes.
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He was a chosen one.
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It was not, uh...
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not exactly a blessing.
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It was an ordeal.
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Briefly, for the benefit
of those who may not know
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and of course, I guess
the Strieber story
is pretty well known.
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What happened to you initially?
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Just a lovely day,
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exactly the kind
of Christmas Day
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that a happy family
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you know,
basically a wonderful
life situation
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at that point would have.
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And it snowed.
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I'll never forget.
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We went walking and...
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the snowflakes were so...
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they were like,
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like under a microscope
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when you see a snowflake,
all the crystals.
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But they were big and they
would fall on your gloves
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and we would look at them
and it was fascinating.
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That was the quietest,
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loveliest evening
you could imagine.
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And then suddenly
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a, a group of them are
coming toward him
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and he gets taken
outside to the back porch
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where he's placed on this cot.
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That then takes him out
to a clearing in the woods.
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I remembered
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sitting in a circle
in the woods...
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in the snow.
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And then I suddenly
went up in the air.
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I felt like when you're
going up in a fast elevator,
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I felt my stomach
went, left behind
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and I see the trees going by
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and then I see the clouds.
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Then, I'm in a little room
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just like that.
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It's frightening,
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being completely conscious,
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not having control of your body,
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and then being shot up into
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some kind of ship or room.
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And I kept trying to wake up
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because I obviously
was not in bed.
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You know, it had to be
a nightmare, right?
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And, um...
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I realized these creatures
were there.
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They were funny looking.
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They were like the workers.
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And then there was this willowy,
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kind of taller...
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being with the great big
black eyes.
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He was the leader.
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It felt like a woman to me.
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I kept trying to wake up
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because I thought
I was having a nightmare.
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I wanted to smell them
because I wanted to...
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I was trying to get
some way of...
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telling whether or not
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this was real.
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So, this one puts his hand up
against my face
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and it smelled like cinnamon.
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The smell of cinnamon
was grounding in one sense.
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It made me think that
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I was in a real situation.
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In another sense,
it was extremely disturbing
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for the same reason.
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The real situation
I was in was very weird
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and very provocative
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with two different kinds
of extremely strange
looking creatures.
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And I was physically helpless
and couldn't get away.
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That's when they start
to perform experiments
on his body.
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Blue ones open a box
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and show me this needle,
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and they're gonna put the needle
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in my head, I...
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How I know that, I don't know,
but I do.
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And I start to say,
you're going to ruin
a beautiful mind.
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But they put
the needle in the side
of my head, anyway.
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It makes a cracking sound,
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but there's no pain.
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And then I find myself
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having this thing thrust
into my rectum.
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I remember a horrible feeling
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of coldness went through my body
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when that happened.
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He wakes up in the morning,
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> he's been in a physical fight,
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he feels sore, hurting,
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and, and shaken
by something he went through.
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Just this,
this waterfall of emotions
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and fear, it all comes
crashing down.
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I had trouble
remembering my whereabouts,
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and that was because
of the trauma that
was involved.
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Something happened to him,
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but he's not
connecting the experience
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with his body.
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So, he feels separated.
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Is he crazy?
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I was gonna tell
his wife that.
What if she leaves him?
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I remember these big eyes
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and I said to Annie,
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"I think an owl
got in here during the night."
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And she looked at me like,
you know, are you nuts?
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Then at the same time,
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my, my anus began to hurt.
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And it hurt
a lot, as to the point
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where I wasn't
comfortable sitting down
for very long,
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writing, and I, you know,
I like to write.
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And then I had a...
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a red mark on my head,
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on the side of my head and
I seem to remember someone putting a needle in it.
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He cannot figure out
what happened to him
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and he's not really sure
what to do.
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This is a life changing event
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that has sent him on a path of, "Am I crazy?"
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And if I'm not crazy,
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what does this actually
mean for me,
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the world, my family, my life?
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We'd already been
married a long time
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and we were very happy.
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And all of a sudden,
I couldn't figure out
what was going on.
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Whitley changed,
and our relationship
with him changed.
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He seemed very disturbed
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and troubled and...
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agitated.
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So, I finally,
I went to the doctor.
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I talked and he thought
he'd see hemorrhoids.
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And he says,
well, "You know, Whitley?
You, there's a lesion.
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You know, you've been raped."
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And I almost threw up on him.
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Oh!
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He said, "Well, why don't
we do this?
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Let's do some
psychological tests.
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Let's do some medical
tests and see where we are."
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Between that time...
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I had looked up
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what happens to in a marriage
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if one member of the marriage
becomes mentally unfit?
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And the answer was that
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Anne would have a very
hard time divorcing me.
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I'm trying
to protect her from ending up
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with this helpless,
useless husband on her hands
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when she's got
a little boy to raise.
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I don't want her to suffer that.
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So, he started, he would
start picking fights with me...
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and trying to make me
mad, and then I'd get mad
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and he'd say, "Well, why
don't you just divorce me?
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Why don't you just leave me?"
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I wanted her to divorce me,
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but I didn't want to tell her.
I thought I was going crazy.
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Then I, I had a...
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After the tests all
came back normal...
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I swear to God, I did
not know what to think.
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I thought to myself, "How
do I tell Anne this story?"
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And so I called my friend,
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Timothy Greenfield Saunders.
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He seemed a little disturbed.
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And I said, you know,
Whitley, what's going on?
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He goes, well, I don't
know how to say this,
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but, you know. And
I said, what, what?
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And he said, he finally,
kind of, got it out and said,
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"I was abducted by aliens."
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I was the first person
he had ever told
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about the abduction.
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I could tell from the way
he was speaking to me
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that this was very real to him.
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Uh, I mean, I thought
he could have had a...
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a psychotic break or
something. I didn't know.
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But it was not put on,
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you know.
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And I said, "I'm trying
to figure out how I tell Anne this."
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He said, "Whitley, I have
no idea what happened,
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but I think that you just tell her what you remember,
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that's all you can do."
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And...
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she was very nervous
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because she thought I
was going to say, it's over,
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the marriage is over.
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And...
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so I said, I have
a story to tell you.
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And he said to me,
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"I think I've been
abducted by aliens."
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And I said to him,
"Oh, thank God,
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I don't have to get a divorce."
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Anne helped
him get through the trauma.
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She was able to get
him to that next level
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where he was
comfortable with his story,
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and then he could help change
the landscape of, of the space.
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I guess that was the
moment when we...
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began to be able to
handle this crazy story
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of being taken
up in the air and...
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seeing the insect people
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and the visitors and then...
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being raped and all
this stuff was in my head,
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but I did not know
what to do with it.
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My brother had sent me a book
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called Science and the UFOs.
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And in the back of it
there was a description
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of an experience
very much like my own
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or quite similar to my own,
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that was recounted by a
researcher called Budd Hopkins.
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Through the mid '80s,
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Budd Hopkins was one
of the biggest names
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in UFO research.
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He has written
two books on the subject,
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the latest of which
is called Intruders.
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My name is Debbie Jordan-Kauble,
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and I am the central figure in
Budd Hopkins book, Intruders.
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I noticed a strange
light in the pumphouse
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of my parents swimming pool.
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I was concerned with prowlers.
261
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My father had a shotgun
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and I picked it up.
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I continued on back
across the yard,
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I checked the pump house
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and I suddenly felt...
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it was like a hot
flash times ten,
267
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and my skin felt,
like, it was on fire.
268
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Little gray guys.
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There were six of them
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and they seem to come
from every direction.
271
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It was about eight
feet in diameter,
272
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it was shaped like an egg.
273
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Three or four, like, skinny arms
274
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that came out of
the center part of it
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and down to the ground.
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There was one
point where I felt like
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something stabbed me in the ear
278
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and I, in my head...
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saw, like, a knitting needle
that was hot with heat.
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Whatever happened
during that time
281
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just wiped from
my mind completely.
282
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The next day when I woke up,
283
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there's this mark
in the backyard.
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Eight foot diameter circle
285
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had like a 49-foot swath
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that went all the way
across the backyard.
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And all the grass in it
288
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just, kind of, turned this grayish brown and laid down.
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The first thing that
came back to me
290
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as I'm looking at this mark,
291
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I was like, I see these
two big black eyes.
292
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So, he got me in touch with...
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the best forensic hypnotist,
294
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probably in the United
States, Dr. Donald Klein,
295
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who was the head of the New
York State Department of Psychiatry
296
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and had used his forensic
hypnosis techniques to solve,
297
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at that point in his career,
298
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72 different crimes.
299
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And so I was
comfortable with him.
300
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This is Whitley Strieber.
301
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You're about to listen to
my first hypnosis session
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with Dr. Donald Klein
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conducted on
March the first, 1986.
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I wish to warn you.
305
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So, there is a significant
amount of screaming.
306
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It is very frightening
screaming.
307
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It should not be listened
to by little children.
308
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It will affect them negatively.
309
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Eight...
going to sleep.
310
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Nine... going to sleep.
311
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I saw something
312
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that looked like it
had a hood on it.
313
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Yeah.
314
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Standing by the wall,
315
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near the corner in our bedroom.
316
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And I don't want it...
317
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to be there.
318
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- Listen. I can't listen to it. I'm sorry.
- Okay.
319
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I can't do it.
320
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When I hear my voice,
321
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the fear comes back
into me immediately.
322
00:20:24,931 --> 00:20:26,620
And it's just
impossible to do it.
323
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I can't listen to it.
324
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It's a beautiful weekend.
325
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And...
326
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we take some friends, Jacques Sandulescu and Annie Gottlieb,
327
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up to the cabin with us.
328
00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,793
And we have...
329
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lovely dinner on Saturday night,
330
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come home, we chat for a while
331
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and everybody goes to bed.
332
00:21:07,068 --> 00:21:09,034
Between three and four I think,
333
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the whole place was
suddenly flooded with light
334
00:21:12,172 --> 00:21:14,862
and it was so bright,
it woke me right up.
335
00:21:14,896 --> 00:21:16,103
I thought, "Holy God,"
336
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the roof has been set
on fire by the stove.
337
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,482
Then the light goes out.
338
00:21:54,448 --> 00:21:56,620
It wasn't human
and it wasn't an animal.
339
00:21:58,793 --> 00:22:02,758
It felt like, maybe, the way a snake
would be interested in someone.
340
00:22:02,793 --> 00:22:04,310
And it struck at me.
341
00:22:17,655 --> 00:22:19,965
It had this little thing...
342
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in I just wanna say its hand
343
00:22:22,827 --> 00:22:24,517
because it was moving like that
344
00:22:24,551 --> 00:22:26,689
and when it moved
it through the air,
345
00:22:26,724 --> 00:22:29,551
chitiz, chitiz, like
it was electric.
346
00:22:29,586 --> 00:22:32,379
And it hit me in the head
with it twice in the forehead.
347
00:22:32,862 --> 00:22:33,965
And I saw the...
348
00:22:35,068 --> 00:22:37,482
then, I didn't understand.
349
00:23:32,482 --> 00:23:34,931
It's just horrible,
terrible images.
350
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Uh, and he's shaken by them.
351
00:24:07,965 --> 00:24:10,965
I saw my son dying and
I saw the world on fire.
352
00:24:12,137 --> 00:24:13,827
And now...
353
00:24:13,862 --> 00:24:15,827
of course, the world is on fire.
354
00:24:38,896 --> 00:24:42,103
One of the things that's
so telling in this audio
355
00:24:42,137 --> 00:24:46,275
is that Whitley not only
sounds like he's this primal fear,
356
00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:49,068
but you hear his Texas
accent come back.
357
00:24:49,103 --> 00:24:51,310
Uh, it's not there
in the beginning,
358
00:24:51,344 --> 00:24:53,137
which means he's
going all the way back
359
00:24:53,172 --> 00:24:54,862
to his earliest days.
360
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,517
I, you couldn't make that up.
361
00:25:21,758 --> 00:25:23,413
I mean, it is,
it's like visceral.
362
00:25:24,620 --> 00:25:26,068
You can feel it in your heart
363
00:25:27,517 --> 00:25:30,862
because somebody's trapped
and being forced to, like,
364
00:25:31,896 --> 00:25:33,034
witness something...
365
00:25:34,172 --> 00:25:35,172
horrific.
366
00:25:50,931 --> 00:25:52,310
If it is aliens
367
00:25:52,344 --> 00:25:53,896
and they are doing this.
368
00:25:53,931 --> 00:25:57,517
Most people, including
me until recently,
369
00:25:57,551 --> 00:25:59,344
just didn't even believe
the dead existed.
370
00:25:59,379 --> 00:26:01,586
They only think that
when a person is dead,
371
00:26:01,620 --> 00:26:02,965
they're dead.
372
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,379
But, um, I don't, know,
373
00:26:04,413 --> 00:26:06,827
I don't know that's
true anymore at all.
374
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:09,620
These visitors
375
00:26:09,655 --> 00:26:12,310
are now intermingling
with, with the dead.
376
00:26:13,344 --> 00:26:16,241
At first we were
talking about aliens,
377
00:26:16,275 --> 00:26:18,413
but now we're talking
about spirits and ghosts
378
00:26:18,448 --> 00:26:21,448
and everything, all
at this one property.
379
00:26:21,482 --> 00:26:24,103
And it makes the story
a whole lot stranger
380
00:26:24,137 --> 00:26:25,241
than it ever was.
381
00:26:25,275 --> 00:26:26,965
And it already
was pretty strange.
382
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:38,793
The actual
experience at the house
383
00:26:38,827 --> 00:26:40,724
on October the fourth,
384
00:26:40,758 --> 00:26:43,482
probably lasted,
maybe, under 5 minutes,
385
00:26:43,517 --> 00:26:45,206
maybe under a
minute, for all I know.
386
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,862
Then there's a big bang,
387
00:26:47,896 --> 00:26:50,172
then the light goes out.
388
00:26:50,206 --> 00:26:53,620
And then when it came to the
surface during the hypnosis session,
389
00:26:53,655 --> 00:26:55,517
I walked out of there
a different person.
390
00:26:55,551 --> 00:26:56,862
And I've never been back.
391
00:26:56,896 --> 00:26:58,586
I'll never be back to the person
392
00:26:58,620 --> 00:27:01,310
who was alive in me before then.
393
00:27:01,344 --> 00:27:03,103
I'll never go back.
I can't go back.
394
00:27:20,724 --> 00:27:21,965
It's a blind test.
395
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,000
Whitley just says, "Can
you please do this for me?
396
00:27:24,034 --> 00:27:25,355
Can you go through
this regression?
397
00:27:25,379 --> 00:27:27,862
They're gonna ask a
few questions and that's it.
398
00:27:27,896 --> 00:27:29,376
They don't even
know what it's about..
399
00:28:10,379 --> 00:28:12,034
Jacques remembers thinking,
400
00:28:12,068 --> 00:28:13,379
"Oh my gosh, I slept to noon.
401
00:28:13,413 --> 00:28:14,517
How rude of me."
402
00:28:14,551 --> 00:28:15,689
But then the light goes away
403
00:28:15,724 --> 00:28:16,793
and he goes back to sleep.
404
00:28:21,206 --> 00:28:23,103
Jacques and Annie
are staying in the room
405
00:28:23,137 --> 00:28:25,206
directly beneath
Whitley and his wife.
406
00:28:26,551 --> 00:28:28,034
Annie remembers the sounds.
407
00:28:58,413 --> 00:29:00,620
So, what the hell
was that about?
408
00:29:00,655 --> 00:29:02,724
That, that it was somehow
409
00:29:02,758 --> 00:29:04,172
masked or suppressed,
410
00:29:04,206 --> 00:29:05,413
that we had no memory of it...
411
00:29:06,482 --> 00:29:08,242
and then we had
such a vivid memory of it.
412
00:29:09,793 --> 00:29:11,700
Can you explain
the light in the window
413
00:29:11,724 --> 00:29:14,172
and the pitter patterin'
of feet, unless...
414
00:29:14,206 --> 00:29:16,586
it suggests that whatever
Whitley experienced
415
00:29:16,620 --> 00:29:17,793
really did happen.
416
00:29:18,517 --> 00:29:19,700
We couldn't understand
417
00:29:19,724 --> 00:29:20,976
why if these things had happened
418
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,079
in the middle of the night,
419
00:29:22,103 --> 00:29:23,620
we hadn't reacted more.
420
00:29:23,655 --> 00:29:26,689
It was as if we were
sort of immobilized.
421
00:29:26,724 --> 00:29:28,527
Clearly, everything's
just coming together.
422
00:29:28,551 --> 00:29:29,827
All these pieces of the puzzle
423
00:29:29,862 --> 00:29:31,931
just come together all at once.
424
00:29:31,965 --> 00:29:33,310
And then Whitley has to assume
425
00:29:33,344 --> 00:29:34,655
that the rest of his experience,
426
00:29:34,689 --> 00:29:36,275
what, what he
remembers and recalls
427
00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:39,000
through his regression
must also be backed.
428
00:29:41,034 --> 00:29:42,620
When the monster's
not in the closet
429
00:29:42,655 --> 00:29:44,758
and it's real, it's a
different experience.
430
00:29:46,034 --> 00:29:47,586
It's as simple as
that, my friend.
431
00:29:51,758 --> 00:29:53,068
Anne listened to the tapes...
432
00:29:54,034 --> 00:29:56,310
"Just, just come here."
433
00:29:57,620 --> 00:29:58,620
and...
434
00:29:59,931 --> 00:30:00,965
took me in her arms.
435
00:30:02,862 --> 00:30:03,965
It was Anne
436
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,241
who suggested to Whitley that,
437
00:30:05,275 --> 00:30:06,482
that he write this down,
438
00:30:06,517 --> 00:30:08,068
that he put this in a book,
439
00:30:08,103 --> 00:30:09,448
uh, that he's he's bold,
440
00:30:09,482 --> 00:30:11,413
he's courageous,
put it out there.
441
00:30:11,448 --> 00:30:13,586
And also, as a
writer, I understand
442
00:30:13,620 --> 00:30:16,172
that sometimes that's how
you exercise your own demons.
443
00:30:18,517 --> 00:30:20,275
She was the one who decided
444
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:22,172
to call the book Communion
445
00:30:22,206 --> 00:30:24,172
because she said
that's what it's about.
446
00:30:24,206 --> 00:30:26,448
And I said, "Boy, it sure
doesn't seem like that."
447
00:30:26,482 --> 00:30:28,724
She said, "It will,
Whitley, it will."
448
00:30:28,758 --> 00:30:30,344
And now it does, of course.
449
00:30:38,137 --> 00:30:40,655
I literally sat
down beside him...
450
00:30:41,344 --> 00:30:42,793
and he made a sketch...
451
00:30:43,620 --> 00:30:45,793
of the face, as I talked,
452
00:30:46,482 --> 00:30:48,241
on this little piece of board.
453
00:30:49,172 --> 00:30:51,724
It's what I remember
on that night,
454
00:30:51,758 --> 00:30:53,137
the 26th of December.
455
00:30:54,551 --> 00:30:55,965
There was something, um...
456
00:30:56,931 --> 00:30:59,241
immensely powerful
and knowledgeable...
457
00:31:00,275 --> 00:31:01,551
about that face.
458
00:31:01,586 --> 00:31:04,931
A little amused,
actually, like...
459
00:31:07,620 --> 00:31:09,793
this individual had known
460
00:31:09,827 --> 00:31:11,655
that I was going
to be very upset...
461
00:31:12,172 --> 00:31:13,724
and had
462
00:31:13,758 --> 00:31:16,068
now that I was going nuts...
463
00:31:17,793 --> 00:31:20,379
she was sort of just
kind of rolling with it.
464
00:31:27,758 --> 00:31:28,862
The book comes out,
465
00:31:28,896 --> 00:31:30,379
I mean, well about
a year and a half
466
00:31:30,413 --> 00:31:31,965
after the actual
event took place,
467
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,389
which is pretty
quick to write a book
468
00:31:33,413 --> 00:31:34,724
and get it published.
469
00:31:34,758 --> 00:31:37,482
And suddenly it's
this huge bestseller.
470
00:31:41,793 --> 00:31:43,827
How do you know
you're not nuts, Whitley?
471
00:31:43,862 --> 00:31:46,182
If they're real, why don't they
land on the White House lawn?
472
00:31:46,206 --> 00:31:47,655
Well, because we're not ready.
473
00:31:48,206 --> 00:31:49,896
We are not ready
474
00:31:49,931 --> 00:31:52,655
to take away all of
our belief systems
475
00:31:52,689 --> 00:31:54,089
and our understanding
of this world.
476
00:31:55,275 --> 00:31:57,379
I'm not a
believer, I'm an entertainer.
477
00:31:58,413 --> 00:32:00,862
I don't believe or
disbelieve much of anything,
478
00:32:00,896 --> 00:32:02,793
but I will entertain
almost anything.
479
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,310
The cover of Communion
480
00:32:10,344 --> 00:32:12,793
became the de facto
481
00:32:12,827 --> 00:32:14,793
image for what an
alien looked like.
482
00:32:15,586 --> 00:32:17,275
And to this day, I think it is.
483
00:32:18,517 --> 00:32:20,379
Back in the 1980s,
484
00:32:20,965 --> 00:32:23,034
there's no images.
485
00:32:23,068 --> 00:32:25,586
This is the first image
486
00:32:25,620 --> 00:32:27,413
of these faces
487
00:32:27,448 --> 00:32:29,551
that we now see all the time.
488
00:32:31,103 --> 00:32:33,724
This book cover
stops people in their tracks.
489
00:32:33,758 --> 00:32:35,275
They saw this entity and said,
490
00:32:35,310 --> 00:32:36,990
"Wait, I've seen
something like that, too."
491
00:32:39,068 --> 00:32:41,724
I didn't even notice
the title of the book
492
00:32:41,758 --> 00:32:42,827
when I bought the book
493
00:32:42,862 --> 00:32:44,448
because all I could
see was the face.
494
00:32:46,448 --> 00:32:49,551
I was frightened at first.
495
00:32:49,586 --> 00:32:52,137
All these years, I've
been seeing this thing
496
00:32:52,172 --> 00:32:54,448
and having these experiences.
497
00:32:54,482 --> 00:32:56,827
And then, how could I not
498
00:32:57,310 --> 00:32:59,310
notice this face?
499
00:33:03,827 --> 00:33:04,689
And I don't mean this is a joke.
500
00:33:04,724 --> 00:33:06,000
But I want to say something.
501
00:33:06,034 --> 00:33:07,493
Well, if they come
here tomorrow night,
502
00:33:07,517 --> 00:33:09,241
who's ever on this show is off?
503
00:33:09,275 --> 00:33:11,068
If your people
come here tomorrow,
504
00:33:11,103 --> 00:33:13,241
- they're on, guarantee.
- Oh, okay.
505
00:33:13,275 --> 00:33:15,675
Okay? -I'll tell,
I'll try to communicate that.
506
00:33:16,241 --> 00:33:17,862
Please, tell them.
507
00:33:17,896 --> 00:33:19,896
Whitley's career took a real
508
00:33:19,931 --> 00:33:21,655
90 degree turn at that point.
509
00:33:23,068 --> 00:33:24,689
He was no longer
a horror writer.
510
00:33:24,724 --> 00:33:26,034
He was a, uh...
511
00:33:26,862 --> 00:33:28,827
documenter of this...
512
00:33:28,862 --> 00:33:32,034
and an explorer
of this phenomenon.
513
00:33:34,034 --> 00:33:35,320
What's great about Whitley
514
00:33:35,344 --> 00:33:37,137
is that he couldn't
just believe,
515
00:33:37,172 --> 00:33:40,000
he wanted to have more evidence.
516
00:33:41,620 --> 00:33:44,700
Whitley, just kind of has a last minute whim.
517
00:33:44,724 --> 00:33:47,655
He put our then
mail center address
518
00:33:47,689 --> 00:33:50,827
in the back of the book
and invited people...
519
00:33:50,862 --> 00:33:53,137
who were having
similar experiences to write.
520
00:33:54,827 --> 00:33:56,000
And we got
521
00:33:56,034 --> 00:33:59,000
hundreds of
thousands of letters.
522
00:34:00,413 --> 00:34:02,068
In fact, the mail center
523
00:34:02,103 --> 00:34:03,448
finally stopped taking them.
524
00:34:03,482 --> 00:34:05,275
They made the, they
made the post office
525
00:34:05,310 --> 00:34:07,275
come and deliver them
directly to our apartment.
526
00:34:08,241 --> 00:34:09,620
Two or three postman
would come up
527
00:34:09,655 --> 00:34:11,448
with these huge bags of mail
528
00:34:11,482 --> 00:34:13,965
and pour 'em on
our living room floor.
529
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,000
And I just didn't know
what to do with them.
530
00:34:16,827 --> 00:34:18,172
Annie starts opening them.
531
00:34:18,206 --> 00:34:20,286
And I said, "You can't possibly read those letters."
532
00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:22,275
And she says, "Oh, yes, I can."
533
00:34:25,103 --> 00:34:27,137
What Whitley
Strieber did with Communion
534
00:34:27,172 --> 00:34:29,275
was basically make this,
535
00:34:29,310 --> 00:34:30,965
uh, accessible to everyone.
536
00:34:32,241 --> 00:34:34,941
And when people read this book by the millions,
537
00:34:34,965 --> 00:34:36,793
uh, so many others came forward
538
00:34:36,827 --> 00:34:38,034
and said, "That's me, too."
539
00:34:39,103 --> 00:34:41,034
"Dear Mr. Strieber,
540
00:34:41,068 --> 00:34:42,551
I've just finished
reading Communion.
541
00:34:43,586 --> 00:34:45,724
I feel compelled to contact you
542
00:34:45,758 --> 00:34:47,241
to say thanks
543
00:34:47,275 --> 00:34:48,896
for having the courage
544
00:34:48,931 --> 00:34:50,931
to address the subject.
545
00:34:50,965 --> 00:34:52,655
Approximately 23 years ago,
546
00:34:52,689 --> 00:34:54,758
I had what I've always described
547
00:34:54,793 --> 00:34:57,551
as a UFO experience."
548
00:34:57,586 --> 00:34:58,931
So, this is another thing.
549
00:34:58,965 --> 00:35:00,689
She writes this
letter and saying,
550
00:35:00,724 --> 00:35:02,137
I respect you, but also,
551
00:35:02,172 --> 00:35:04,103
look, I'm also a sane person.
552
00:35:04,137 --> 00:35:05,620
I'm a normal person.
553
00:35:05,655 --> 00:35:07,482
Uh, I have a great job.
554
00:35:07,517 --> 00:35:09,000
I have a great family.
555
00:35:09,034 --> 00:35:12,862
Uh, I, I write to you because
I've had this experience.
556
00:35:15,034 --> 00:35:17,862
And one of the
most common things...
557
00:35:17,896 --> 00:35:19,931
was people would
write and they would say,
558
00:35:19,965 --> 00:35:21,344
I was walking by
559
00:35:21,379 --> 00:35:23,965
the window of my local
book store and I saw...
560
00:35:25,137 --> 00:35:27,137
the book Communion
and I saw the cover
561
00:35:27,172 --> 00:35:29,034
and I had to stop
and buy the book
562
00:35:29,068 --> 00:35:31,931
'cause I had thought
I was the only one
563
00:35:31,965 --> 00:35:33,793
who had ever seen that being.
564
00:35:35,034 --> 00:35:36,448
And I never told anybody,
565
00:35:36,482 --> 00:35:37,689
I never even told my husband,
566
00:35:37,724 --> 00:35:39,103
I never even told my wife.
567
00:35:55,068 --> 00:35:58,137
Lori Barnes, back in the '50s.
568
00:35:58,172 --> 00:36:00,517
Remember, this is
a time before anyone
569
00:36:00,551 --> 00:36:02,241
thought about
anything like this.
570
00:36:05,068 --> 00:36:07,758
She's lying in bed in
her apartment in Queens.
571
00:36:07,793 --> 00:36:09,689
Her husband is on a gig.
572
00:36:09,724 --> 00:36:12,206
He's a, a pianist.
573
00:36:12,241 --> 00:36:15,206
There was no one
else in the apartment,
574
00:36:15,241 --> 00:36:18,000
and I was quite pregnant.
575
00:36:19,758 --> 00:36:21,344
And I heard
576
00:36:22,034 --> 00:36:24,000
a terrible ruckus.
577
00:36:24,896 --> 00:36:27,172
And then, these three...
578
00:36:28,034 --> 00:36:29,827
little beings...
579
00:36:29,862 --> 00:36:31,275
came rushing in.
580
00:36:34,413 --> 00:36:36,172
And I was
581
00:36:36,206 --> 00:36:38,931
absolutely horrified.
582
00:36:48,724 --> 00:36:51,034
His skin was sort of gray.
583
00:36:53,896 --> 00:36:55,620
He was terribly ugly.
584
00:36:56,793 --> 00:36:59,586
He said don't be afraid,
585
00:36:59,620 --> 00:37:01,896
we're not here to harm you.
586
00:37:01,931 --> 00:37:04,517
We're only interested...
587
00:37:04,551 --> 00:37:07,931
in the little girl
you're carrying.
588
00:37:10,482 --> 00:37:13,172
At that time,
nobody knew this fact
589
00:37:14,034 --> 00:37:15,586
of what they were carrying.
590
00:37:18,448 --> 00:37:20,137
It puts his hand on her...
591
00:37:20,965 --> 00:37:22,931
wrist and says,
592
00:37:23,482 --> 00:37:25,172
"Why do you fear us?"
593
00:37:26,103 --> 00:37:28,965
And she says,
"Because you're so ugly."
594
00:37:30,034 --> 00:37:32,793
And it then says, "My dear,
595
00:37:32,827 --> 00:37:35,689
one day you will
look just like us."
596
00:37:37,827 --> 00:37:39,310
And then,
597
00:37:39,344 --> 00:37:41,000
everything went dark.
598
00:37:43,206 --> 00:37:45,241
And the next thing I knew...
599
00:37:46,620 --> 00:37:47,931
it was daylight.
600
00:37:49,931 --> 00:37:51,310
And I came to.
601
00:38:02,103 --> 00:38:03,827
I met Whitley
602
00:38:03,862 --> 00:38:06,241
because of that letter
603
00:38:06,275 --> 00:38:07,655
that I wrote to him.
604
00:38:08,551 --> 00:38:10,310
And I got a call
605
00:38:10,827 --> 00:38:12,000
from Anne...
606
00:38:12,896 --> 00:38:15,655
to become Anne's secretary
607
00:38:16,275 --> 00:38:18,275
and helped Whitley
608
00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:19,551
and Anne
609
00:38:19,586 --> 00:38:22,655
with many thousands of letters.
610
00:38:38,172 --> 00:38:41,068
This is a letter from Raven Dana
611
00:38:41,103 --> 00:38:43,896
in response to Whitley
Strieber's Communion,
612
00:38:43,931 --> 00:38:46,034
dated February 20th, 1988.
613
00:38:47,068 --> 00:38:48,793
I was probably only
614
00:38:48,827 --> 00:38:50,551
30 pages or so into the book,
615
00:38:50,586 --> 00:38:52,306
and I thought, "Oh
no, I need to write him."
616
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,379
Probably, four
or five years old,
617
00:38:54,413 --> 00:38:56,931
are my earliest
memories, uh, and...
618
00:38:56,965 --> 00:39:00,103
I had had numerous
experiences growing up.
619
00:39:01,793 --> 00:39:04,448
It was just, uh, kind
of a strange part of life.
620
00:39:05,517 --> 00:39:07,620
In my earliest years,
621
00:39:07,655 --> 00:39:09,793
I had experiences as a child
622
00:39:09,827 --> 00:39:12,379
of something standing
at the foot of my bed.
623
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,068
And it was the
classic figure that
624
00:39:16,103 --> 00:39:19,034
you would see at the, on
the cover of Communion.
625
00:39:19,068 --> 00:39:21,103
And that went on
for a number of years.
626
00:39:21,137 --> 00:39:23,620
And then it stopped, then faded.
627
00:39:29,448 --> 00:39:31,793
It's very close to
what I saw as a child.
628
00:39:31,827 --> 00:39:33,068
The eyes were bigger,
629
00:39:33,103 --> 00:39:34,586
the skin was grayer.
630
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,275
Um, but it's very it's familiar.
631
00:39:39,310 --> 00:39:41,413
I mean, that was my,
my first experience
632
00:39:41,448 --> 00:39:43,758
of looking at the books was...
633
00:39:43,793 --> 00:39:45,793
that sense of familiarity, like,
634
00:39:45,827 --> 00:39:47,413
I know that face.
635
00:39:49,241 --> 00:39:51,620
Um, and it was, you
know, a little frightening.
636
00:40:00,103 --> 00:40:02,724
One of the most
extraordinary letters is this.
637
00:40:05,310 --> 00:40:07,137
A woman is driving
with her daughter...
638
00:40:08,310 --> 00:40:09,413
in New Mexico...
639
00:40:10,103 --> 00:40:11,103
and...
640
00:40:12,103 --> 00:40:14,793
they have an
incredible experience.
641
00:40:29,862 --> 00:40:31,793
UFO was
hovering above their car.
642
00:40:31,827 --> 00:40:34,862
This is textbook,
this is very common.
643
00:40:34,896 --> 00:40:37,000
They're both taken
up in it, very common.
644
00:40:38,862 --> 00:40:40,310
They go into a craft,
645
00:40:40,344 --> 00:40:42,724
they're taken into other
rooms for a physical exam.
646
00:40:44,068 --> 00:40:45,931
These beings tell her...
647
00:40:45,965 --> 00:40:48,172
not only that...
648
00:40:48,206 --> 00:40:49,517
they're from another world,
649
00:40:49,551 --> 00:40:51,655
but also she's a
member of their family.
650
00:40:55,517 --> 00:40:57,827
Then, after exams are over,
651
00:40:57,862 --> 00:40:59,010
they suddenly find themselves
652
00:40:59,034 --> 00:41:01,034
back in their car and
they're missing time.
653
00:41:02,103 --> 00:41:04,344
And the little girl
says to the mother,
654
00:41:05,655 --> 00:41:07,413
the little beings
said they were sorry,
655
00:41:08,275 --> 00:41:10,000
but I have bugs in my body
656
00:41:10,034 --> 00:41:11,448
and they couldn't
get rid of them.
657
00:41:11,482 --> 00:41:12,862
And I'm going to die soon.
658
00:41:14,655 --> 00:41:16,586
This is six or
seven-year-old child.
659
00:41:18,862 --> 00:41:19,896
So, they drive home.
660
00:41:21,137 --> 00:41:23,413
And a few months later,
the little girl comes down
661
00:41:23,448 --> 00:41:25,724
with incurable cancer
and she does die.
662
00:41:34,896 --> 00:41:38,000
These are
stories of life beyond life.
663
00:41:38,965 --> 00:41:41,344
Incredibly powerful stories...
664
00:41:42,034 --> 00:41:44,103
involving life and death.
665
00:41:46,758 --> 00:41:48,551
It's not
straight science fiction.
666
00:41:48,586 --> 00:41:49,931
It's not straight UFOs.
667
00:41:49,965 --> 00:41:51,758
It's not beings
from other planets.
668
00:41:51,793 --> 00:41:53,724
There's something else going on.
669
00:41:53,758 --> 00:41:57,034
And I think, if we
could figure it out...
670
00:41:57,068 --> 00:42:00,172
we know a lot more about
how the world really works.
671
00:42:05,206 --> 00:42:06,931
Now that Whitley's
opened the door
672
00:42:06,965 --> 00:42:08,586
to everything that's gone on,
673
00:42:08,620 --> 00:42:10,241
he starts to have these memories
674
00:42:10,275 --> 00:42:12,827
from even his
childhood back in Texas.
675
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,344
In my investigative work,
676
00:42:16,379 --> 00:42:18,482
I usually find when
a person has had
677
00:42:18,517 --> 00:42:20,103
an abduction experience.
678
00:42:20,137 --> 00:42:21,517
When they get regressed
679
00:42:21,551 --> 00:42:22,665
or they get further interviewed,
680
00:42:22,689 --> 00:42:23,907
they realize
they've had a lot of
681
00:42:23,931 --> 00:42:25,344
other weird experiences
682
00:42:25,379 --> 00:42:27,068
that they couldn't
explain as a child,
683
00:42:27,103 --> 00:42:28,620
or they go back to their family
684
00:42:28,655 --> 00:42:30,275
and, and they ask,
685
00:42:30,310 --> 00:42:31,655
"Has anything happened to you?"
686
00:42:31,689 --> 00:42:34,862
And usually, 80% of the time...
687
00:42:34,896 --> 00:42:38,241
there's always some kind
of generational connection
688
00:42:38,275 --> 00:42:40,758
to these otherworldly beings.
689
00:42:48,034 --> 00:42:50,413
When the book,
Communion, came out,
690
00:42:50,448 --> 00:42:53,620
something really interesting that
happened with Whitley's family
691
00:42:53,655 --> 00:42:56,068
was that his uncle came forward.
692
00:42:56,103 --> 00:42:57,903
He was a colonel in
the Air Force at the time.
693
00:43:03,068 --> 00:43:05,862
He was present at right field
694
00:43:05,896 --> 00:43:08,758
when the debris from the
Roswell incident was brought in.
695
00:43:10,172 --> 00:43:12,413
He asked me to
come see him at...
696
00:43:12,448 --> 00:43:14,724
Air Force retirement
place where he lived.
697
00:43:14,758 --> 00:43:17,172
Whitley's uncle
would confide in Whitley
698
00:43:17,206 --> 00:43:18,862
that we were told by the general
699
00:43:18,896 --> 00:43:21,172
not to talk about
the Roswell wreck.
700
00:43:21,206 --> 00:43:22,241
But he saw it
701
00:43:22,275 --> 00:43:23,620
and said, this was otherworldly.
702
00:43:23,655 --> 00:43:24,931
This is no weather balloon.
703
00:43:26,551 --> 00:43:28,044
And just forget these stories
704
00:43:28,068 --> 00:43:29,655
that it didn't happen,
it did happen.
705
00:43:32,241 --> 00:43:35,000
And then he introduced me
to his commanding officer,
706
00:43:35,034 --> 00:43:36,034
General Exum.
707
00:43:37,586 --> 00:43:39,172
General Exum said to me,
708
00:43:39,724 --> 00:43:40,965
and I'm quoting him,
709
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,655
"Everyone from Truman, on down,
710
00:43:42,689 --> 00:43:45,793
knew that what we had
found was not of this world
711
00:43:45,827 --> 00:43:47,758
within 24 hours
of our finding it."
712
00:43:47,793 --> 00:43:50,137
And there is a memo
called the Twining memo,
713
00:43:51,724 --> 00:43:53,551
where General Twining describes
714
00:43:53,586 --> 00:43:56,517
the functionality
of these craft.
715
00:43:56,551 --> 00:43:58,793
And it's exactly the
same functionality
716
00:43:58,827 --> 00:44:01,206
that you see in the Tic Tac
717
00:44:01,241 --> 00:44:03,724
and gimbal videos.
718
00:44:03,758 --> 00:44:05,598
Look at that thing.
719
00:44:06,172 --> 00:44:07,172
It's...
720
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,724
Written years ago
721
00:44:10,931 --> 00:44:12,241
and General Twining said
722
00:44:12,275 --> 00:44:13,275
that he had...
723
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,034
not only seen the bodies,
724
00:44:16,068 --> 00:44:18,275
but had encountered
725
00:44:18,310 --> 00:44:21,241
a living... being
726
00:44:21,275 --> 00:44:23,689
that was one of these aliens,
727
00:44:23,724 --> 00:44:24,724
as he called them.
728
00:44:33,241 --> 00:44:34,758
If the uncle was there
729
00:44:34,793 --> 00:44:36,931
and he's like, things are real,
730
00:44:36,965 --> 00:44:38,482
nothing happened to the uncle.
731
00:44:38,517 --> 00:44:40,448
But the idea is now the beings
732
00:44:40,482 --> 00:44:41,793
are targeting the family.
733
00:44:59,103 --> 00:45:00,217
Anne was vehement about it.
734
00:45:00,241 --> 00:45:01,793
She wanted to continue to go,
735
00:45:01,827 --> 00:45:02,827
because she felt like,
736
00:45:03,655 --> 00:45:05,344
we needed to do this.
737
00:45:05,379 --> 00:45:06,689
We needed to,
738
00:45:06,724 --> 00:45:08,689
to, understand this
as best we could.
739
00:45:10,206 --> 00:45:11,872
When Whitley's
son is seven-years-old
740
00:45:11,896 --> 00:45:13,655
and on spring break,
they come up here
741
00:45:13,689 --> 00:45:15,896
for a few days, which
is very normal for them.
742
00:45:18,172 --> 00:45:20,275
I would go
downstairs every night
743
00:45:20,310 --> 00:45:21,448
and check on him.
744
00:45:21,482 --> 00:45:23,620
I sometimes would
sit outside the door
745
00:45:23,655 --> 00:45:25,034
of his room with a shotgun.
746
00:45:27,344 --> 00:45:28,379
And then one night
747
00:45:28,413 --> 00:45:29,862
at 3:00 in the morning,
748
00:45:29,896 --> 00:45:31,482
Whitley wakes up startled
749
00:45:31,517 --> 00:45:32,793
and he's panicked.
750
00:45:32,827 --> 00:45:35,103
And his first instinct
is to run downstairs
751
00:45:35,137 --> 00:45:36,862
and check on his son.
752
00:45:36,896 --> 00:45:38,176
He opens the door to the bedroom
753
00:45:38,862 --> 00:45:39,862
and his son is gone.
754
00:45:41,068 --> 00:45:43,482
You can imagine the terror.
755
00:45:44,724 --> 00:45:46,000
Your son is now missing.
756
00:45:47,172 --> 00:45:48,655
Something in Whitley tells him
757
00:45:48,689 --> 00:45:50,379
to go outside to the backyard.
758
00:45:52,517 --> 00:45:54,655
And when he goes out
there, he sees this craft
759
00:45:54,689 --> 00:45:56,551
just above the tree
line and it's huge.
760
00:45:56,586 --> 00:45:58,379
It's, it's, filling the sky.
761
00:45:58,413 --> 00:46:00,931
And the thought occurs
to him, "Oh, my God!"
762
00:46:00,965 --> 00:46:02,172
They've taken my son.
763
00:46:19,620 --> 00:46:21,217
It looked like
he was in the bed at first,
764
00:46:21,241 --> 00:46:23,551
but when I went near the
bed, I, I, couldn't find him.
765
00:46:24,827 --> 00:46:25,896
Then I ran outside
766
00:46:25,931 --> 00:46:28,517
and there was this
huge star in the sky.
767
00:46:30,344 --> 00:46:32,000
And these two tall men
768
00:46:32,931 --> 00:46:33,931
came toward me.
769
00:46:35,241 --> 00:46:36,482
Something inside of Whitley
770
00:46:36,517 --> 00:46:37,862
tells him to go back inside,
771
00:46:37,896 --> 00:46:39,206
back into the cabin.
772
00:46:39,241 --> 00:46:41,068
And as he reaches
for the doorknob,
773
00:46:41,103 --> 00:46:43,655
there's almost, like,
this static charge to it.
774
00:46:43,689 --> 00:46:45,369
But he doesn't care,
he's gotta get inside.
775
00:46:47,206 --> 00:46:48,689
The next thing I recall
776
00:46:49,655 --> 00:46:51,000
is being back in the house
777
00:46:51,034 --> 00:46:52,655
and finding he was
there in the bed.
778
00:46:54,896 --> 00:46:56,551
You have to be relieved
779
00:46:56,586 --> 00:46:58,137
that your child is
back in their bed.
780
00:46:59,862 --> 00:47:01,482
But you also
have to be terrified,
781
00:47:01,517 --> 00:47:02,931
because did he get hurt?
782
00:47:02,965 --> 00:47:04,241
Did something happen to him?
783
00:47:06,275 --> 00:47:07,655
The next morning
784
00:47:07,689 --> 00:47:09,482
everything seems
okay with Whitley's son.
785
00:47:09,517 --> 00:47:11,068
He seems to be
acting pretty normal,
786
00:47:11,103 --> 00:47:12,931
but the discussion is strange.
787
00:47:14,586 --> 00:47:15,586
He wrote
788
00:47:16,758 --> 00:47:19,413
the most lovely little poems
789
00:47:19,448 --> 00:47:20,448
about the night.
790
00:47:23,344 --> 00:47:25,724
We wanna go out
beyond the quasars
791
00:47:25,758 --> 00:47:26,827
to see what's there.
792
00:47:28,482 --> 00:47:30,448
"Reality is God's
dream," he said that.
793
00:47:32,310 --> 00:47:35,206
He said he had seen this
eye looking down at him
794
00:47:35,241 --> 00:47:37,034
and he had floated in the woods.
795
00:47:38,448 --> 00:47:40,103
He said, "Is it a dream, Dad?"
796
00:47:41,482 --> 00:47:44,241
Whitley, I can't,
I can't imagine
797
00:47:44,275 --> 00:47:46,482
what he must have
felt, like, inside, but,
798
00:47:46,517 --> 00:47:48,206
but, he just, kind
of, reassured his son
799
00:47:48,241 --> 00:47:49,793
that everything was okay.
800
00:47:49,827 --> 00:47:52,034
He didn't wanna
scare his own child.
801
00:47:53,827 --> 00:47:55,482
I let it go.
802
00:47:55,517 --> 00:47:57,379
We, you know,
because we had decided
803
00:47:57,413 --> 00:47:58,724
that we would not
804
00:47:58,758 --> 00:48:00,379
pursue this with our son,
805
00:48:00,413 --> 00:48:02,034
because at the time,
806
00:48:02,068 --> 00:48:04,965
if my imagination
was running rampant,
807
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,206
we didn't wanna infect
our little boy with that.
808
00:48:15,551 --> 00:48:16,862
It's Whitley's birthday,
809
00:48:16,896 --> 00:48:19,517
and he starts to have
some strange sensations,
810
00:48:19,551 --> 00:48:21,344
like, like, feeling
this electric charge.
811
00:48:23,689 --> 00:48:25,862
And the electrical devices
812
00:48:25,896 --> 00:48:27,827
around him are going haywire.
813
00:48:27,862 --> 00:48:29,965
His radio is doing weird things.
814
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,000
There's strange
images on his TV.
815
00:48:32,620 --> 00:48:34,206
And that's when he realizes
816
00:48:34,241 --> 00:48:35,965
this is not just
at night anymore.
817
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,182
This isn't just when I'm asleep.
818
00:48:37,206 --> 00:48:38,689
This is around me all the time.
819
00:48:50,413 --> 00:48:51,596
I did think that there might be
820
00:48:51,620 --> 00:48:53,620
something weird about the area
821
00:48:53,655 --> 00:48:55,172
than I came across
822
00:48:55,206 --> 00:48:56,724
these Hudson
Valley UFO sightings,
823
00:48:56,758 --> 00:48:58,206
and I realized this
has all happened
824
00:48:58,241 --> 00:48:59,517
30 miles from the cabin.
825
00:49:00,689 --> 00:49:01,689
Hudson Valley
826
00:49:02,310 --> 00:49:04,448
is, is, a hotbed
827
00:49:04,482 --> 00:49:06,000
for people that
have been abducted,
828
00:49:06,034 --> 00:49:07,517
for UFOs in the sky,
829
00:49:07,551 --> 00:49:09,103
for any kind of experience.
830
00:49:19,620 --> 00:49:20,689
I was driving home
831
00:49:20,724 --> 00:49:22,758
from a church social
832
00:49:22,793 --> 00:49:24,551
in the village of Brewster,
833
00:49:24,586 --> 00:49:26,586
which is about 55 miles north
834
00:49:26,620 --> 00:49:27,689
of New York City.
835
00:49:29,448 --> 00:49:31,517
And I looked up
and there was lights
836
00:49:31,551 --> 00:49:33,379
just parked in the sky
837
00:49:34,241 --> 00:49:36,689
and it was quite spectacular.
838
00:49:37,482 --> 00:49:39,482
I pulled my car over
839
00:49:39,517 --> 00:49:40,620
and got out
840
00:49:40,655 --> 00:49:43,517
and, uh, right next
to Interstate 84,
841
00:49:44,103 --> 00:49:45,655
the whole Interstate
842
00:49:45,689 --> 00:49:48,034
had come to a stop.
843
00:49:48,068 --> 00:49:51,241
Now, people are actually
getting out of their cars
844
00:49:51,275 --> 00:49:53,379
and pointing at this object
845
00:49:53,413 --> 00:49:55,379
hanging over the Interstate.
846
00:49:56,413 --> 00:49:57,758
I looked up into the sky
847
00:49:58,517 --> 00:50:00,172
and there was...
848
00:50:00,206 --> 00:50:01,413
I don't even know what it was,
849
00:50:01,448 --> 00:50:02,724
but it was just, it was
850
00:50:02,758 --> 00:50:05,000
so ginormous
851
00:50:05,724 --> 00:50:06,862
that it was not a blimp.
852
00:50:08,068 --> 00:50:11,172
You know, some people
were saying, "Oh, I saw a V."
853
00:50:11,206 --> 00:50:14,034
I saw some neighbors of,
uh, an adjoining house nearby
854
00:50:14,068 --> 00:50:16,206
and I'm like, "Look
up, look up, look up."
855
00:50:17,793 --> 00:50:19,206
Approximately,
856
00:50:19,241 --> 00:50:21,275
5,000 to 7,000 people
857
00:50:21,310 --> 00:50:23,000
witnessed an object
858
00:50:23,034 --> 00:50:24,413
hovering in the sky.
859
00:50:37,068 --> 00:50:39,931
So, I was coming south on 87
860
00:50:39,965 --> 00:50:42,379
and, uh, I had a flash of light
861
00:50:42,413 --> 00:50:43,758
hit me in the eyes
862
00:50:43,793 --> 00:50:44,965
while I'm driving the truck.
863
00:50:46,103 --> 00:50:48,000
It was strange,
because it wasn't just
864
00:50:48,034 --> 00:50:49,689
a regular beam of light
865
00:50:49,724 --> 00:50:51,448
from a car or
anything like that.
866
00:50:51,482 --> 00:50:53,379
It was a light from
a long distance.
867
00:50:54,965 --> 00:50:57,344
And all of a sudden, I see
out of the side in my eye
868
00:50:58,206 --> 00:50:59,206
in the sky
869
00:50:59,793 --> 00:51:00,862
was this big...
870
00:51:02,413 --> 00:51:03,413
ship.
871
00:51:06,517 --> 00:51:08,103
It was a, a, boomerang shape.
872
00:51:09,862 --> 00:51:12,482
This thing was like, uh, you
know, 500 feet above me.
873
00:51:13,551 --> 00:51:14,862
It's not making a sound.
874
00:51:15,551 --> 00:51:16,551
It was, uh, it was big,
875
00:51:17,620 --> 00:51:19,103
even bigger than a 747.
876
00:51:20,206 --> 00:51:22,137
So, this was
hovering over the truck
877
00:51:22,172 --> 00:51:23,413
for about five minutes
878
00:51:25,310 --> 00:51:27,000
and then disappeared.
879
00:51:27,241 --> 00:51:28,241
Gone.
880
00:51:29,620 --> 00:51:30,758
The area
881
00:51:30,793 --> 00:51:33,241
turned out to be
a big UFO hotspot
882
00:51:33,275 --> 00:51:35,000
and I was right, right,
in the middle of it.
883
00:51:44,620 --> 00:51:46,241
In May of 1989,
884
00:51:46,793 --> 00:51:48,448
I was lying in bed
885
00:51:48,482 --> 00:51:49,689
Anne was asleep beside me.
886
00:51:49,724 --> 00:51:51,172
It was about 11 o'clock at night
887
00:51:52,413 --> 00:51:54,620
and I heard
888
00:51:54,655 --> 00:51:57,758
the crunching of
gravel in the driveway.
889
00:51:57,793 --> 00:52:00,172
Scared the dickens
out of me, of course.
890
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,000
And...
891
00:52:03,241 --> 00:52:04,689
the next thing I know,
892
00:52:04,724 --> 00:52:06,172
I can't move.
893
00:52:06,206 --> 00:52:08,000
I can't see anything.
894
00:52:09,068 --> 00:52:10,896
And there's someone
pushing very hard
895
00:52:10,931 --> 00:52:12,068
on the side of my head.
896
00:52:21,034 --> 00:52:22,413
Whitley had another incident
897
00:52:22,448 --> 00:52:24,586
where he, kind of, woke up
898
00:52:24,620 --> 00:52:26,344
and got pushed
down into the pillow.
899
00:52:27,551 --> 00:52:29,931
There's a pain behind his ear,
900
00:52:29,965 --> 00:52:32,172
and when he wakes
up, there's blood specks
901
00:52:32,206 --> 00:52:33,448
on the pillow.
902
00:52:33,482 --> 00:52:35,448
And this is when he believes
903
00:52:35,482 --> 00:52:37,103
he was implanted
904
00:52:37,137 --> 00:52:38,620
with some device behind the ear.
905
00:52:40,344 --> 00:52:41,931
It was very scary indeed.
906
00:52:41,965 --> 00:52:44,068
And the main door
907
00:52:44,103 --> 00:52:45,896
of the garage is open,
908
00:52:45,931 --> 00:52:47,137
wide open.
909
00:52:47,172 --> 00:52:49,931
Even though the alarm
system is still armed.
910
00:52:50,862 --> 00:52:52,379
Whoever got into the house
911
00:52:52,413 --> 00:52:53,413
got in that way.
912
00:52:56,344 --> 00:52:57,965
So, Whitley feels this lump
913
00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,689
behind his ear, like
this, this, implant.
914
00:53:00,655 --> 00:53:02,068
I wanna take it out.
915
00:53:02,103 --> 00:53:03,896
I feel it. It bothers me.
916
00:53:03,931 --> 00:53:05,827
Sometimes my ear turns red,
917
00:53:05,862 --> 00:53:07,344
and gets hot,
918
00:53:07,379 --> 00:53:08,379
and it creeps me out.
919
00:53:08,931 --> 00:53:10,241
And I find a doctor
920
00:53:10,275 --> 00:53:12,310
who's willing to
take a look at it
921
00:53:12,344 --> 00:53:13,379
not as an implant,
922
00:53:13,413 --> 00:53:14,793
I didn't tell him that.
923
00:53:14,827 --> 00:53:16,000
And he says he feels it.
924
00:53:16,034 --> 00:53:17,965
And he says, "Well,
it feels like a little cyst.
925
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:19,241
I'm sure I can pull that out."
926
00:53:31,379 --> 00:53:32,827
He deadens the ear
927
00:53:33,448 --> 00:53:34,517
and opens it up.
928
00:53:56,413 --> 00:53:58,044
And he
touches it with his scalpel,
929
00:53:58,068 --> 00:54:00,206
and wheesh, goes
down into my earlobe
930
00:54:00,241 --> 00:54:02,275
on its own, moves on its own.
931
00:54:02,310 --> 00:54:03,793
I can see you've just raised it
932
00:54:03,827 --> 00:54:05,965
and now it's,
uh, I don't see it.
933
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,758
It's like a little
tiny white disk.
934
00:54:09,137 --> 00:54:11,068
So, he, sort of, pulls back.
935
00:54:11,103 --> 00:54:12,413
He knows I wrote Communion
936
00:54:12,448 --> 00:54:14,137
and now he's made
the connection.
937
00:54:14,172 --> 00:54:15,965
I'm trying to take
an alien implant
938
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,000
out of this guy and
I'm, I'm, done here.
939
00:54:19,172 --> 00:54:20,665
At, at, some
point, the doctor says,
940
00:54:20,689 --> 00:54:22,137
"I don't think I
can get this out
941
00:54:22,172 --> 00:54:24,551
without mangling your ear.
942
00:54:24,586 --> 00:54:27,034
And so they stop the
procedure at that point
943
00:54:27,068 --> 00:54:28,103
and Whitley comes home,
944
00:54:28,137 --> 00:54:29,896
and it's Anne who suggests,
945
00:54:29,931 --> 00:54:32,034
hey, Whitley, maybe
you wanna leave this in.
946
00:54:32,068 --> 00:54:34,793
What if this is some
way to communicate
947
00:54:34,827 --> 00:54:37,344
back and forth? What
if this is now opening,
948
00:54:37,379 --> 00:54:38,448
uh, a two-way...
949
00:54:39,310 --> 00:54:41,241
communication with these beings,
950
00:54:41,275 --> 00:54:43,862
whereas before they
had to come to you.
951
00:54:43,896 --> 00:54:45,551
Now, maybe you can call to them.
952
00:54:46,827 --> 00:54:48,310
Does that mean that the implant
953
00:54:48,344 --> 00:54:50,000
is controlling his mind?
954
00:54:50,482 --> 00:54:52,310
How he thinks?
955
00:54:52,344 --> 00:54:54,103
Uh, is it just there
to monitor him?
956
00:54:54,137 --> 00:54:56,068
We don't know. But
that's another thing.
957
00:54:56,103 --> 00:54:57,793
That's, kind of, terrifying.
958
00:54:59,344 --> 00:55:00,984
What is that they want?
Why are they here?
959
00:55:15,344 --> 00:55:16,803
Whitley said, you
know, here's the thing
960
00:55:16,827 --> 00:55:18,827
I, I, invite people sometimes
961
00:55:18,862 --> 00:55:20,758
to the cabin who
have had experiences
962
00:55:20,793 --> 00:55:22,344
that we feel are incredible.
963
00:55:22,379 --> 00:55:24,793
I have a feeling that if
we bring people together,
964
00:55:24,827 --> 00:55:26,896
something might happen.
965
00:55:26,931 --> 00:55:30,286
Today, folks, we're going to go back in time
966
00:55:30,310 --> 00:55:33,793
to 1989, to a little cabin
967
00:55:33,827 --> 00:55:35,689
in Upstate New York
968
00:55:35,724 --> 00:55:38,724
that most of you probably
are very well aware of.
969
00:55:39,344 --> 00:55:40,655
But you may not know,
970
00:55:40,689 --> 00:55:43,068
is that there were more than one
971
00:55:43,103 --> 00:55:46,724
witness at that cabin who had
close encounter experiences.
972
00:55:49,206 --> 00:55:51,344
The film crew
was there and they were
973
00:55:51,379 --> 00:55:55,019
setting up cameras in hopes of seeing if anything happened.
974
00:55:55,793 --> 00:55:57,862
We chatted and we meditated
975
00:55:57,896 --> 00:55:59,456
and, you know, we
went our separate ways
976
00:55:59,482 --> 00:56:00,931
into our rooms to go to bed.
977
00:56:02,068 --> 00:56:03,388
And what happened there?
978
00:56:03,965 --> 00:56:05,896
What I remember was,
979
00:56:05,931 --> 00:56:08,206
waking up feeling ah, warm.
980
00:56:08,241 --> 00:56:11,034
I was hot and I pushed
the window open
981
00:56:11,068 --> 00:56:13,068
and rolled back over
to go, to go to sleep.
982
00:56:14,137 --> 00:56:15,655
Just a few minutes later,
983
00:56:15,689 --> 00:56:17,551
I felt something
come on the bed.
984
00:56:22,413 --> 00:56:24,655
My first experience wasn't fear.
985
00:56:24,689 --> 00:56:26,551
My first experience was,
986
00:56:26,586 --> 00:56:28,620
well, what do I do with this?
987
00:56:28,655 --> 00:56:31,931
And as I thought that
the being raised a hand
988
00:56:31,965 --> 00:56:33,689
and without even thinking,
989
00:56:33,724 --> 00:56:36,413
without, without
letting myself give into
990
00:56:36,448 --> 00:56:37,862
the strangeness of it,
991
00:56:37,896 --> 00:56:40,103
I reached up and
touched those fingers.
992
00:56:43,137 --> 00:56:45,862
When that happened, it
was a tremendous, um,
993
00:56:45,896 --> 00:56:48,655
like a surge of energy
electricity current
994
00:56:48,689 --> 00:56:49,931
that ran from my,
995
00:56:49,965 --> 00:56:52,034
from the my leg up
the side of my body
996
00:56:52,068 --> 00:56:55,517
and out my hand
where I had touched it.
997
00:56:55,551 --> 00:56:57,310
And that's when it
just, kind of, struck me,
998
00:56:57,344 --> 00:57:00,620
like, ah, I just touched the hand of
something that doesn't live in this reality.
999
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,482
You basically handed
me a notebook,
1000
00:57:06,517 --> 00:57:08,458
it said, you know, write
down what just happened...
1001
00:57:08,482 --> 00:57:10,079
- Yes, exactly.
- which I did.
1002
00:57:10,103 --> 00:57:11,827
And I also
took a picture of you.
1003
00:57:11,862 --> 00:57:14,172
- Yes.- A picture which I still have
1004
00:57:14,206 --> 00:57:16,000
a Raven Dana who was,
1005
00:57:16,034 --> 00:57:17,137
obviously having,
1006
00:57:17,965 --> 00:57:19,482
in quite a state of shock
1007
00:57:19,517 --> 00:57:20,965
and having an allergic reaction
1008
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:22,517
you can see the swelling...
1009
00:57:22,551 --> 00:57:24,620
- Mm-hm.- all around her face.
1010
00:57:24,655 --> 00:57:25,965
I had trouble breathing.
1011
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,965
I was wheezing, my
eyes were red and glassy.
1012
00:57:29,448 --> 00:57:30,586
I didn't know,
1013
00:57:30,620 --> 00:57:32,310
that people who had experiences
1014
00:57:32,344 --> 00:57:33,896
often had allergic reactions.
1015
00:57:33,931 --> 00:57:36,655
So, again for me
the important things
1016
00:57:36,689 --> 00:57:39,137
are those, those
odd validations,
1017
00:57:39,172 --> 00:57:41,758
that I had this experience
and I'm not the only one.
1018
00:57:43,827 --> 00:57:45,275
A film crew were all set.
1019
00:57:45,310 --> 00:57:47,510
They had the whole hallway,
everything, kind of, rigged,
1020
00:57:47,931 --> 00:57:49,482
with cameras, um,
1021
00:57:49,517 --> 00:57:52,000
audio devices, hoping
to capture something.
1022
00:57:52,034 --> 00:57:54,172
But, as soon as
this event happened,
1023
00:57:55,206 --> 00:57:56,206
everything shut off.
1024
00:57:58,827 --> 00:58:02,068
For years, I've been
trying to get this on video,
1025
00:58:02,103 --> 00:58:04,758
and I've gotten very little.
1026
00:58:04,793 --> 00:58:08,310
Nothing that you
would say is definitely,
1027
00:58:08,344 --> 00:58:11,896
something strange,
something non-human,
1028
00:58:11,931 --> 00:58:13,931
and whatever, for
whatever reason,
1029
00:58:15,034 --> 00:58:16,655
they don't want to be on video.
1030
00:58:23,068 --> 00:58:25,241
After theexperience,
1031
00:58:25,275 --> 00:58:28,413
life at the cabin
became very intense
1032
00:58:28,448 --> 00:58:30,172
for the next few years.
1033
00:58:30,206 --> 00:58:32,310
And the visitors
were there all the time
1034
00:58:32,344 --> 00:58:33,931
and all kinds of
things happened.
1035
00:58:41,758 --> 00:58:43,241
She says,
1036
00:58:43,275 --> 00:58:45,000
"I just saw my
brother on the road."
1037
00:58:46,034 --> 00:58:47,724
And we were all very surprised
1038
00:58:47,758 --> 00:58:50,103
because her brother had
disappeared 20 years before
1039
00:58:50,137 --> 00:58:52,379
and then the FBI had
eventually declared him dead.
1040
00:58:54,103 --> 00:58:57,517
He was a very dear soul,
1041
00:58:57,551 --> 00:58:59,896
but he had, had
a very tough life
1042
00:59:00,793 --> 00:59:02,793
and had turned to drugs
1043
00:59:02,827 --> 00:59:04,586
and alcohol.
1044
00:59:04,620 --> 00:59:07,965
And then he dropped
from the face of the earth.
1045
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,413
But he was there,
1046
00:59:09,965 --> 00:59:11,793
by your little shed.
1047
00:59:13,034 --> 00:59:16,068
I said "Shaun, look you,
what are you doing here?"
1048
00:59:17,379 --> 00:59:18,724
And he said,
1049
00:59:18,758 --> 00:59:21,620
"I came to tell you I'm fine.
1050
00:59:21,655 --> 00:59:23,241
Don't worry about me."
1051
00:59:24,482 --> 00:59:25,827
And he says that,
1052
00:59:26,896 --> 00:59:28,827
"You're in the right place."
1053
00:59:30,655 --> 00:59:33,275
And then he just
drifted back into the woods
1054
00:59:33,310 --> 00:59:35,137
and disappeared before her eyes.
1055
00:59:35,896 --> 00:59:37,379
And when Anne heard that story,
1056
00:59:37,413 --> 00:59:39,103
she said privately to me,
1057
00:59:39,137 --> 00:59:41,551
"The visitors will
be here tonight."
1058
00:59:41,586 --> 00:59:44,827
Because she knew of the connection
between the visitors and the dead.
1059
00:59:47,241 --> 00:59:50,034
So, this cabin has
become something bigger.
1060
00:59:50,827 --> 00:59:52,758
Some sort of portal.
1061
00:59:58,034 --> 01:00:00,758
This was truly
at the edge of the world,
1062
01:00:00,793 --> 01:00:04,068
at that time, that cabin and
what was happening there.
1063
01:00:04,103 --> 01:00:07,551
These are all people who were
having experiences at the cabin,
1064
01:00:07,586 --> 01:00:09,379
essentially anyone
came up there,
1065
01:00:09,413 --> 01:00:10,965
they would have
these experiences.
1066
01:00:12,586 --> 01:00:14,551
Could the
cabin, could this location
1067
01:00:15,068 --> 01:00:16,068
be a portal?
1068
01:00:17,103 --> 01:00:18,724
Is there something unique
1069
01:00:18,758 --> 01:00:20,379
about the ground, the soil,
1070
01:00:20,827 --> 01:00:21,827
the place,
1071
01:00:23,275 --> 01:00:26,241
that allows for visitors
to come through?
1072
01:00:37,931 --> 01:00:39,206
This is the circle.
1073
01:00:39,241 --> 01:00:40,655
This is the place where
1074
01:00:41,344 --> 01:00:42,413
I thought it happened.
1075
01:00:43,448 --> 01:00:45,551
I had those stones
put in there...
1076
01:00:46,172 --> 01:00:47,551
to mark it.
1077
01:00:47,586 --> 01:00:50,103
This is where it happened,
deep in this woods.
1078
01:00:51,103 --> 01:00:53,482
This was a very
special spot for him.
1079
01:00:53,517 --> 01:00:56,482
This was a place where he
connected with the visitors
1080
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,068
up in their ship,
1081
01:00:59,103 --> 01:01:00,137
if you will.
1082
01:01:01,517 --> 01:01:03,310
There's something unknown here.
1083
01:01:03,344 --> 01:01:06,551
It's very provocative
and it needs study.
1084
01:01:07,586 --> 01:01:09,310
You wanna find
out how this works?
1085
01:01:10,172 --> 01:01:12,137
What it's there for?
1086
01:01:12,172 --> 01:01:14,551
If we do find out
the truth about it,
1087
01:01:14,586 --> 01:01:17,482
that's the first step
toward getting in control
1088
01:01:17,517 --> 01:01:19,862
of whatever it is
that's doing this.
1089
01:01:31,172 --> 01:01:33,551
With all Whitley's
success with Communion,
1090
01:01:33,586 --> 01:01:36,655
there comes a point where
he just can't sell any books.
1091
01:01:37,482 --> 01:01:38,965
He's kind of,
1092
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:40,517
in a way blacklisted,
1093
01:01:40,551 --> 01:01:42,631
from some of the publishers
that he was dealing with,
1094
01:01:42,655 --> 01:01:44,724
and he has to sell the cabin.
1095
01:01:46,103 --> 01:01:48,655
The loss of that
cabin was a devastating blow.
1096
01:01:58,551 --> 01:02:00,689
When I left,
they'd left with me.
1097
01:02:01,655 --> 01:02:03,275
They followed me
and Anne to Texas.
1098
01:02:08,586 --> 01:02:10,517
They would wake
me up every night,
1099
01:02:10,551 --> 01:02:11,896
touch my cheeks,
1100
01:02:12,517 --> 01:02:13,620
hit my head,
1101
01:02:13,655 --> 01:02:16,275
make a school bell
sound in the living room.
1102
01:02:17,758 --> 01:02:20,172
But then it quieted down.
1103
01:02:20,206 --> 01:02:22,275
Then I hadn't seen
them for a long time.
1104
01:02:24,724 --> 01:02:26,586
Then everything
changed immediately.
1105
01:02:38,379 --> 01:02:39,758
She passes away,
1106
01:02:40,551 --> 01:02:45,241
on August the 11th, 2015
1107
01:02:45,275 --> 01:02:46,862
at 7:15 in the evening.
1108
01:02:51,965 --> 01:02:55,896
Within an hour
and a half of Anne dying,
1109
01:02:55,931 --> 01:02:58,344
Whitley gets a phone
call from a friend,
1110
01:02:59,034 --> 01:03:01,103
who said, "I don't know why,
1111
01:03:01,137 --> 01:03:03,275
I just heard Anne's
voice in my head
1112
01:03:03,310 --> 01:03:04,586
saying to call you Whitley.
1113
01:03:05,172 --> 01:03:06,172
Is she okay?"
1114
01:03:06,931 --> 01:03:08,137
And Whitley said,
1115
01:03:08,172 --> 01:03:10,482
"No, she's not okay,
she just passed away."
1116
01:03:12,172 --> 01:03:13,793
Finally, I realize,
1117
01:03:14,758 --> 01:03:16,655
I remember the conversation
1118
01:03:16,689 --> 01:03:18,344
from so many years before.
1119
01:03:19,275 --> 01:03:20,827
Anne said to me,
1120
01:03:20,862 --> 01:03:22,620
"If I die,
1121
01:03:22,655 --> 01:03:25,758
I'm gonna come back to
friends and I'm gonna tell them,
1122
01:03:25,793 --> 01:03:27,275
to get in touch with you.
1123
01:03:27,310 --> 01:03:28,793
And you do the same for me."
1124
01:03:30,862 --> 01:03:32,137
And I thought, "Oh, my God."
1125
01:03:33,275 --> 01:03:35,000
She's doing it.
1126
01:03:35,931 --> 01:03:38,586
She's doing it,
from the other side.
1127
01:03:46,206 --> 01:03:47,482
The previous,
1128
01:03:48,137 --> 01:03:50,068
January she started
1129
01:03:50,103 --> 01:03:53,517
making me, um, a memorize a poem
1130
01:03:53,551 --> 01:03:56,241
called The Song of
Wandering Aengus,
1131
01:03:56,275 --> 01:03:58,965
by W.B. Yeats and
I didn't know why,
1132
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:00,517
but she was very insistent.
1133
01:04:01,103 --> 01:04:02,896
And it goes like this.
1134
01:04:02,931 --> 01:04:05,344
"When white moths
were on the wing
1135
01:04:05,379 --> 01:04:08,482
and the moth like
stars were flickering out.
1136
01:04:08,517 --> 01:04:10,793
I dropped the berry in a stream
1137
01:04:10,827 --> 01:04:13,068
and caught a
little silver trout."
1138
01:04:14,241 --> 01:04:15,655
Right after she passed away
1139
01:04:15,689 --> 01:04:17,827
just a moth kept
coming up everywhere.
1140
01:04:19,034 --> 01:04:20,551
I was in a conference,
1141
01:04:20,586 --> 01:04:23,482
all windows are closed,
it's February, it's cold.
1142
01:04:23,517 --> 01:04:25,896
And suddenly the
white moth appears
1143
01:04:25,931 --> 01:04:27,896
and starts flying
around the room.
1144
01:04:27,931 --> 01:04:29,241
Then I got a picture of it.
1145
01:04:31,034 --> 01:04:34,655
Whenever I left the house
and was talking about her,
1146
01:04:34,689 --> 01:04:38,103
the alarm system,
cameras would signal
1147
01:04:38,137 --> 01:04:41,758
something and there would be this
moth flying around in front of the camera.
1148
01:04:44,068 --> 01:04:46,655
And I thought my God,
1149
01:04:46,689 --> 01:04:51,413
my wife has created
a physical avatar
1150
01:04:51,448 --> 01:04:53,896
to signal her presence,
1151
01:04:53,931 --> 01:04:55,241
in the afterlife.
1152
01:05:21,137 --> 01:05:22,586
- Hey, Anthony.
- Guys, welcome.
1153
01:05:22,620 --> 01:05:23,838
- Nice to see you.
- Nice to see you.
1154
01:05:23,862 --> 01:05:25,965
- Nice for coming here.
- Yeah, thank you.
1155
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,275
My name is Anthony,
I'm the owner of the cabin.
1156
01:05:28,310 --> 01:05:30,068
We bought the
cabin three years ago
1157
01:05:30,103 --> 01:05:31,758
in 2018.
1158
01:05:31,793 --> 01:05:33,413
We didn't really
know too much about it
1159
01:05:33,448 --> 01:05:34,976
until we were walking
through and then they had
1160
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:38,000
mentioned that this
belonged to a Whitley Strieber.
1161
01:05:38,034 --> 01:05:40,413
I read the story back
in '87 when I was a kid.
1162
01:05:41,310 --> 01:05:42,448
It's always fascinated me,
1163
01:05:42,482 --> 01:05:44,758
so, I felt a real strong
connection to the house.
1164
01:05:48,275 --> 01:05:50,137
I do believe that the
property is a vortex.
1165
01:05:52,793 --> 01:05:55,758
I want to check out that circle.
1166
01:05:56,379 --> 01:05:57,517
Why this spot?
1167
01:05:57,551 --> 01:05:59,862
Is this spot special?
1168
01:05:59,896 --> 01:06:03,137
In that it has some
kind of property
1169
01:06:03,172 --> 01:06:07,034
that allows for you to actually
connect with the visitors?
1170
01:06:07,068 --> 01:06:10,206
I'm here because of
what happened to Whitley.
1171
01:06:10,241 --> 01:06:12,827
I'm here because I get to walk
1172
01:06:12,862 --> 01:06:14,827
into the legend and
become part of the story.
1173
01:06:15,862 --> 01:06:17,379
When you have an
experience like that,
1174
01:06:17,413 --> 01:06:18,758
it's just such validation
1175
01:06:18,793 --> 01:06:19,965
for those big questions.
1176
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:21,103
We're not alone.
1177
01:06:21,137 --> 01:06:22,896
There's something
more to all of this.
1178
01:06:23,482 --> 01:06:24,965
And I have proof,
1179
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:26,620
even if that proof
is just my own.
1180
01:06:28,137 --> 01:06:29,862
The circle is really important.
1181
01:06:29,896 --> 01:06:33,482
So, my thought process is if there's
gonna be any energy that's unusual,
1182
01:06:33,517 --> 01:06:34,827
it's gonna be at the circle
1183
01:06:34,862 --> 01:06:36,586
where people have
put their intentions
1184
01:06:36,620 --> 01:06:38,310
into meeting the visitors,
1185
01:06:38,344 --> 01:06:40,482
and there could be
some kind of anomaly.
1186
01:06:43,586 --> 01:06:45,734
- I'm sure it's a little bit easier for you to see.
- Okay.
1187
01:06:45,758 --> 01:06:46,907
The owner of the property
1188
01:06:46,931 --> 01:06:49,551
has been searching
for the answer himself.
1189
01:06:49,586 --> 01:06:51,965
Anthony seems to know
a lot about the property
1190
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:53,655
and specifically Whitley.
1191
01:06:53,689 --> 01:06:56,310
And then in the back
here is, is the creek.
1192
01:06:56,344 --> 01:06:58,172
He has extensive maps
1193
01:06:58,206 --> 01:06:59,517
to find circle.
1194
01:06:59,551 --> 01:07:00,665
It's in a bit of a dip.
1195
01:07:00,689 --> 01:07:02,044
Yeah, you'll see the meadow.
1196
01:07:02,068 --> 01:07:03,527
And Whitley talks
about that in the book
1197
01:07:03,551 --> 01:07:05,310
about how it's at the
edge of the meadow.
1198
01:07:05,344 --> 01:07:07,769
So, we should be able to
get out there in less than an hour.
1199
01:07:07,793 --> 01:07:08,793
Yep.
1200
01:07:11,206 --> 01:07:13,517
I've noticed since we've
been here just how quiet is.
1201
01:07:13,551 --> 01:07:15,689
I haven't even heard
planes flying overhead.
1202
01:07:15,724 --> 01:07:17,758
Um, just what a remote area.
1203
01:07:17,793 --> 01:07:20,517
But that's also a little
frightening for some people.
1204
01:07:20,551 --> 01:07:22,793
- Right, the idea of being that isolated.
- Definitely.
1205
01:07:23,896 --> 01:07:25,793
Whitley had a lot
of security in place.
1206
01:07:25,827 --> 01:07:28,793
He really wanted to keep the
spot very protected and quiet.
1207
01:07:28,827 --> 01:07:30,689
And security is a
big thing for him.
1208
01:07:30,724 --> 01:07:33,275
I think that he wanted
to control the situation
1209
01:07:33,310 --> 01:07:36,068
with the visitors to
protect his family from that
1210
01:07:36,103 --> 01:07:39,458
and kind of isolate it just to himself as much as control.
1211
01:07:39,482 --> 01:07:42,068
Have you reached
out to Whitley Strieber?
1212
01:07:42,103 --> 01:07:44,517
I did reach out to Whitley
and, and he wasn't interested.
1213
01:07:44,551 --> 01:07:46,344
He said it was just
too painful to come out.
1214
01:07:46,379 --> 01:07:48,413
You know, after hearing
some of the tapes
1215
01:07:48,448 --> 01:07:50,413
of his hypnosis sessions.
1216
01:07:50,448 --> 01:07:53,344
When you hear the horror,
the terror in his voice.
1217
01:07:58,310 --> 01:08:00,344
I guess, I can't say
I totally blame him.
1218
01:08:00,379 --> 01:08:03,310
Yeah, Whitley did say that they
opened portals to other worlds
1219
01:08:03,344 --> 01:08:04,413
when he was here.
1220
01:08:04,448 --> 01:08:06,103
To have a person
where it happened,
1221
01:08:06,137 --> 01:08:08,034
in the place that it happened.
1222
01:08:08,068 --> 01:08:11,068
You just wonder if that,
you know, reconnects things.
1223
01:08:11,103 --> 01:08:12,703
- I can't help but wonder that.
- Me too.
1224
01:08:17,344 --> 01:08:19,068
This brings up a bigger point.
1225
01:08:19,103 --> 01:08:22,413
Is the encounter with the
visitors about the place,
1226
01:08:22,448 --> 01:08:25,793
about the cabin, about
the location of the cabin
1227
01:08:25,827 --> 01:08:27,586
or does it have
to do with Whitley?
1228
01:08:29,344 --> 01:08:32,482
I'm really excited to
stand where it happened.
1229
01:08:32,517 --> 01:08:34,965
It's one thing to read
someone else's experience.
1230
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,482
It's quite another to
stand there yourself.
1231
01:08:37,517 --> 01:08:39,034
I can't help it,
I'm gonna look up.
1232
01:08:39,068 --> 01:08:42,344
I can't help it, I'm gonna see
if I feel anything with my body.
1233
01:08:42,379 --> 01:08:45,344
I mean, what would happen
if it actually did happen to me?
1234
01:08:45,379 --> 01:08:46,413
We could be next.
1235
01:08:52,827 --> 01:08:57,517
I don't think it's too far, but the
circle's just down around the trail I think.
1236
01:08:57,551 --> 01:08:58,769
It's pretty remote, huh.
1237
01:08:58,793 --> 01:08:59,931
Yeah, we're out here
1238
01:08:59,965 --> 01:09:01,034
in the middle of nowhere.
1239
01:09:01,655 --> 01:09:03,551
It's cold, it's muddy.
1240
01:09:03,586 --> 01:09:05,586
Uh, it's gonna be rough
terrain getting out there.
1241
01:09:07,413 --> 01:09:08,586
I brought the gear for it,
1242
01:09:08,620 --> 01:09:10,724
and I'm just excited
to do our experiments...
1243
01:09:10,758 --> 01:09:12,517
around this incredible site.
1244
01:09:18,137 --> 01:09:20,251
So, I know, Whitley talked
about in some of his interviews,
1245
01:09:20,275 --> 01:09:22,137
how this was where he
would come to meditate
1246
01:09:22,172 --> 01:09:23,332
- and he'd bring others.
- Oh.
1247
01:09:29,241 --> 01:09:30,241
So, this is it.
1248
01:09:32,827 --> 01:09:33,827
Stone circle.
1249
01:09:49,310 --> 01:09:51,931
To think that one of the most
profound UFO encounters happened
1250
01:09:51,965 --> 01:09:52,965
right around here.
1251
01:09:54,206 --> 01:09:55,758
Oh, look, there's
these longer stones,
1252
01:09:55,793 --> 01:09:57,275
are these cardinal points?
1253
01:09:57,310 --> 01:09:58,655
So, I know that's west.
1254
01:09:58,689 --> 01:10:00,241
That's where the sun sets.
1255
01:10:00,275 --> 01:10:01,689
So, that would be north.
1256
01:10:03,310 --> 01:10:05,241
Did they actually
activate the location?
1257
01:10:06,206 --> 01:10:07,655
I think it could be interesting,
1258
01:10:07,689 --> 01:10:10,103
is that we can take the
rem-pods out of my backpack...
1259
01:10:10,137 --> 01:10:12,241
- Mm-hmm.
- And just test the perimeter.
1260
01:10:12,275 --> 01:10:14,827
- Sure.
- And see if there's any anomalies that come on.
1261
01:10:19,689 --> 01:10:21,758
Rem-pods are devices
1262
01:10:21,793 --> 01:10:25,758
that are able to detect any change in electromagnetic energy.
1263
01:10:25,793 --> 01:10:27,137
The thought process is
1264
01:10:27,172 --> 01:10:29,931
if this was the
place of contact,
1265
01:10:29,965 --> 01:10:31,793
if this was the place that,
1266
01:10:31,827 --> 01:10:34,976
that something came down and took Whitley up into the sky,
1267
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:38,482
that the actual circle
might be activated.
1268
01:10:38,517 --> 01:10:40,206
So, the various
colors that go off
1269
01:10:40,241 --> 01:10:44,310
tell you how, how close
something might be to this device
1270
01:10:44,344 --> 01:10:46,379
or how strong the field may be.
1271
01:10:46,413 --> 01:10:50,103
Uh, the closer you are, the
louder it gets, the more it lights up.
1272
01:10:50,137 --> 01:10:51,976
- Yup. Make sure the antenna is up.
- Towards the inside.
1273
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:53,310
Yeah.
1274
01:10:53,344 --> 01:10:57,413
We've created a perimeter,
surrounded that with the rem-pods.
1275
01:10:57,448 --> 01:10:59,527
We did it at each
of the cardinal four points,
1276
01:10:59,551 --> 01:11:01,172
north, south, east and west.
1277
01:11:01,206 --> 01:11:02,596
They do not just sit there,
1278
01:11:02,620 --> 01:11:04,527
- they do not communicate with each other.
- Nope.
1279
01:11:04,551 --> 01:11:06,251
- And they are not connected.
- One does not go off,
1280
01:11:06,275 --> 01:11:07,551
because the other one goes off.
1281
01:11:07,586 --> 01:11:10,172
Once you set 'em up
and you get 'em in place,
1282
01:11:10,206 --> 01:11:11,620
the idea is you leave 'em alone,
1283
01:11:11,655 --> 01:11:13,310
and see if they start to act.
1284
01:11:13,827 --> 01:11:14,931
Last one.
1285
01:11:16,413 --> 01:11:18,689
- All right. Now, we sit and wait.
- All right.
1286
01:11:18,724 --> 01:11:19,724
All right.
1287
01:11:31,724 --> 01:11:32,872
Huh, did you see that?
1288
01:11:32,896 --> 01:11:33,896
Yeah.
1289
01:11:34,758 --> 01:11:36,241
And by the way,
we're not moving.
1290
01:11:36,275 --> 01:11:37,435
That was really weird.
1291
01:11:40,862 --> 01:11:42,379
Oh, I hear one.
1292
01:11:42,413 --> 01:11:43,413
It's this one.
1293
01:11:44,517 --> 01:11:45,517
Oh.
1294
01:11:47,068 --> 01:11:48,862
That's strange.
1295
01:11:48,896 --> 01:11:50,336
- It's reacting to something.
- Yeah.
1296
01:11:51,206 --> 01:11:52,551
South and east went off.
1297
01:11:52,586 --> 01:11:53,872
- This one's on fire.
- Look.
1298
01:11:53,896 --> 01:11:56,241
Two are going
off, north and east.
1299
01:11:56,275 --> 01:11:57,700
- Huh, that's one going off.
- All four of them
1300
01:11:57,724 --> 01:11:59,044
- are going off.
- All four of them are going off.
1301
01:11:59,068 --> 01:12:00,137
Holy cow!
1302
01:12:01,137 --> 01:12:03,068
Right after we
had all four set up,
1303
01:12:03,103 --> 01:12:04,827
they all went off
at the same time.
1304
01:12:04,862 --> 01:12:06,586
These things don't
talk to each other.
1305
01:12:06,620 --> 01:12:07,724
They're each on their own,
1306
01:12:07,758 --> 01:12:09,379
they're not
connected in any way.
1307
01:12:09,413 --> 01:12:12,034
And for all of them to go off
at the same exact time is weird.
1308
01:12:13,448 --> 01:12:15,827
It's always
one, two, couple over here,
1309
01:12:15,862 --> 01:12:18,379
but all four at the
same time going off.
1310
01:12:18,413 --> 01:12:19,965
And, and again,
1311
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:21,724
I have to remind
you, we're in a circle.
1312
01:12:21,758 --> 01:12:25,034
A circle that people have
been activating for years.
1313
01:12:25,551 --> 01:12:26,551
Huh...
1314
01:12:27,103 --> 01:12:28,103
they all stopped.
1315
01:12:28,551 --> 01:12:29,620
Did you see that?
1316
01:12:36,724 --> 01:12:37,838
What? Do you hear that?
1317
01:12:37,862 --> 01:12:39,382
Yes, it's definitely
reading something.
1318
01:12:42,413 --> 01:12:43,773
I just wanna get
a recording of it.
1319
01:12:44,965 --> 01:12:46,217
Do you think
it's like a Morse code?
1320
01:12:46,241 --> 01:12:48,620
I don't know,
but it's some pattern.
1321
01:12:48,655 --> 01:12:50,689
I've never seen one
of these rem-pods
1322
01:12:50,724 --> 01:12:52,586
make this particular sound.
1323
01:12:52,620 --> 01:12:53,965
I mean, it squeaks, it beeps,
1324
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:56,586
but this was like
tones and spaces.
1325
01:12:59,413 --> 01:13:01,310
This is really strange.
1326
01:13:01,344 --> 01:13:03,034
Whether this is a portal
1327
01:13:03,068 --> 01:13:04,793
or the conduit is
Whitley himself,
1328
01:13:04,827 --> 01:13:05,827
or maybe it's both.
1329
01:13:06,586 --> 01:13:07,724
There's definitely something
1330
01:13:07,758 --> 01:13:09,275
trying to communicate
with humans.
1331
01:13:20,034 --> 01:13:22,172
I am in my office...
1332
01:13:22,206 --> 01:13:24,344
in Santa Monica, California,
1333
01:13:24,379 --> 01:13:26,448
where I produce my podcast,
1334
01:13:26,482 --> 01:13:27,724
Dreamland, every week.
1335
01:13:29,206 --> 01:13:32,862
These are two little
BaoFeng radios.
1336
01:13:32,896 --> 01:13:35,896
There is a frequency, 144.1
1337
01:13:36,793 --> 01:13:39,827
that is not in much use.
1338
01:13:39,862 --> 01:13:41,862
It's mostly a silent frequency.
1339
01:13:41,896 --> 01:13:44,965
If you turn one of these
radios on, on that frequency,
1340
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:46,482
generally, you
won't hear anything.
1341
01:13:48,862 --> 01:13:50,655
Okay. Let's see what happens.
1342
01:13:58,344 --> 01:14:01,000
It's reacting to the
presence of my implant.
1343
01:14:07,827 --> 01:14:09,079
I think it's like a Morse code.
1344
01:14:09,103 --> 01:14:11,172
I don't know, but
it's some pattern.
1345
01:14:13,379 --> 01:14:16,586
This isn't Morse code. I've
had this tested many times.
1346
01:14:16,620 --> 01:14:19,206
And then, this is not
a... it's not a known code.
1347
01:14:19,241 --> 01:14:21,517
Not a, not a
publicly known code.
1348
01:14:37,758 --> 01:14:40,758
I'm putting the pain behind me,
1349
01:14:40,793 --> 01:14:43,620
because it was a
really remarkable thing.
1350
01:14:43,655 --> 01:14:46,517
We were stitching two
worlds together at that cabin.
1351
01:15:02,413 --> 01:15:04,931
They will wake me up
in many different ways.
1352
01:15:04,965 --> 01:15:06,344
But for the first time,
1353
01:15:06,793 --> 01:15:08,241
the method chosen
1354
01:15:08,275 --> 01:15:09,689
was to push my phone
1355
01:15:09,724 --> 01:15:11,379
off of the table beside the bed.
1356
01:15:13,655 --> 01:15:17,758
And I heard the noise, of course, and jumped right up,
1357
01:15:17,793 --> 01:15:19,965
and there was nothing that
would have caused the phone
1358
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:22,862
to where it would just fall
on its own all of a sudden.
1359
01:15:30,793 --> 01:15:33,620
I was thinking about this.
1360
01:15:35,482 --> 01:15:36,551
Should I do this?
1361
01:15:38,586 --> 01:15:41,586
I heard Anne's voice telling
me, "Of course, you should."
1362
01:15:44,103 --> 01:15:45,103
And...
1363
01:15:46,931 --> 01:15:47,931
so I am.
1364
01:15:55,448 --> 01:15:58,068
I viewed the loss of
the cabin at the time
1365
01:15:58,103 --> 01:15:59,931
as a catastrophe,
1366
01:15:59,965 --> 01:16:02,965
because of what we
had developed there,
1367
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:05,896
in terms of a relationship
with the visitors,
1368
01:16:05,931 --> 01:16:08,793
and also our life
and our happiness.
1369
01:16:08,827 --> 01:16:10,758
And we'd raised our child there
1370
01:16:10,793 --> 01:16:13,310
and losing that
was really difficult.
1371
01:16:14,172 --> 01:16:16,275
I never wanted to go back again,
1372
01:16:17,310 --> 01:16:18,310
but...
1373
01:16:20,103 --> 01:16:21,413
I'm going to,
1374
01:16:22,482 --> 01:16:24,517
I'm going to face
the cabin again
1375
01:16:25,310 --> 01:16:26,482
one last time.
1376
01:16:34,827 --> 01:16:36,896
I guess the last
time I drove this road
1377
01:16:36,931 --> 01:16:38,931
was a couple of
days before we left.
1378
01:16:41,034 --> 01:16:42,413
And...
1379
01:16:42,448 --> 01:16:44,137
I thought, I would
never come back again.
1380
01:16:47,448 --> 01:16:48,448
But I'm here.
1381
01:16:50,344 --> 01:16:52,103
And I'm here to close this.
1382
01:16:53,655 --> 01:16:55,413
I'm here to end the story,
1383
01:16:55,448 --> 01:16:57,000
of the Whitley of those days.
1384
01:16:58,448 --> 01:16:59,517
We're just about...
1385
01:17:00,137 --> 01:17:01,241
just about there.
1386
01:17:01,931 --> 01:17:02,931
Oh, boy.
1387
01:17:03,931 --> 01:17:05,482
I am feeling this boy.
1388
01:17:07,379 --> 01:17:08,379
It's a...
1389
01:17:09,448 --> 01:17:12,827
a very complex
experience, emotionally.
1390
01:17:13,896 --> 01:17:15,310
Beautiful and hard,
1391
01:17:16,413 --> 01:17:18,965
sweet and extremely sad,
1392
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:20,482
all mixed up into one.
1393
01:17:25,068 --> 01:17:27,310
Thirty five years
beyond Communion,
1394
01:17:28,068 --> 01:17:29,551
I am having
1395
01:17:29,586 --> 01:17:32,482
what is really the experience
of a lifetime with this.
1396
01:17:33,241 --> 01:17:34,241
It started out...
1397
01:17:35,344 --> 01:17:37,310
like a journey through
the depths of hell.
1398
01:17:38,275 --> 01:17:40,931
But now, it is at
the edge of heaven.
1399
01:17:45,379 --> 01:17:46,379
Hello, Whitley.
1400
01:17:46,931 --> 01:17:48,379
Anthony.
1401
01:17:48,413 --> 01:17:50,172
- Anthony.
- Anthony. My wife Azila.
1402
01:17:50,206 --> 01:17:51,241
-Hi. -Hi, welcome back.
1403
01:17:52,275 --> 01:17:53,931
Thank you for...
1404
01:17:53,965 --> 01:17:56,620
- letting me back in my home and your home.
- Of course.
1405
01:17:56,655 --> 01:17:58,034
- Come on in.
- Thank you.
1406
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:00,206
I've been putting it off.
1407
01:18:00,241 --> 01:18:01,896
I never intended
to come back at all.
1408
01:18:02,586 --> 01:18:03,620
It was too hard.
1409
01:18:04,655 --> 01:18:05,931
But now I have done it.
1410
01:18:06,965 --> 01:18:08,206
And, um...
1411
01:18:09,517 --> 01:18:10,557
I'm glad, I'm doing it.
1412
01:18:11,137 --> 01:18:12,241
I'm glad, I'm doing it.
1413
01:18:24,517 --> 01:18:26,793
If something happens,
something happens.
1414
01:18:28,793 --> 01:18:30,310
But you know,
1415
01:18:30,344 --> 01:18:32,137
it's not about the place,
1416
01:18:32,172 --> 01:18:34,724
it's about the person
it's about people.
1417
01:18:34,758 --> 01:18:38,379
Because the experience
followed me when I left here.
1418
01:18:38,413 --> 01:18:40,931
Uh, big time, actually.
Really did follow me.
1419
01:18:43,724 --> 01:18:45,482
The Whitley who lived here...
1420
01:18:46,620 --> 01:18:49,551
is lying in that bed right now.
1421
01:18:49,586 --> 01:18:50,931
And when I get
up in the morning,
1422
01:18:50,965 --> 01:18:52,413
that Whitley is gonna stay here,
1423
01:18:52,448 --> 01:18:53,448
and when I leave here,
1424
01:18:53,965 --> 01:18:55,206
that Whitley,
1425
01:18:55,241 --> 01:18:58,482
that story is gonna
stay in this house,
1426
01:18:58,517 --> 01:19:01,206
and will be in this house
as long as this house is here.
1427
01:20:56,103 --> 01:20:58,413
I don't think that
they're necessarily...
1428
01:20:58,448 --> 01:21:00,827
here for bad reasons.
1429
01:21:00,862 --> 01:21:03,517
I think they definitely are
interested in our survival.
1430
01:21:04,827 --> 01:21:07,448
I am not the only
close encounter witness
1431
01:21:07,482 --> 01:21:08,862
who has this message,
1432
01:21:08,896 --> 01:21:11,517
that the planet is in danger.
1433
01:21:11,551 --> 01:21:13,103
It's almost universal
1434
01:21:13,137 --> 01:21:15,689
among the people
in the experience.
1435
01:21:15,724 --> 01:21:17,827
And what's the core
of that message?
1436
01:21:17,862 --> 01:21:19,655
Human survival.
1437
01:21:19,689 --> 01:21:22,137
So therefore, their message
is they want us to survive.
1438
01:21:26,413 --> 01:21:28,000
I never thought I
would see this again.
1439
01:21:29,482 --> 01:21:30,517
I'm glad I came back.
1440
01:21:32,310 --> 01:21:33,379
A few minutes ago,
1441
01:21:34,241 --> 01:21:37,172
I felt from deep within myself,
1442
01:21:38,482 --> 01:21:40,551
an upwelling...
1443
01:21:40,586 --> 01:21:43,666
of an emotion I have not felt in a long time.
1444
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:53,310
That's what happened.
1445
01:21:56,241 --> 01:22:00,137
We can't forget
one little detail here,
1446
01:22:00,172 --> 01:22:03,275
and that is what was
said to Lori Barnes.
1447
01:22:03,310 --> 01:22:07,000
"One day you will
look just like us."
1448
01:22:07,034 --> 01:22:10,586
Do we know what the
human species really is?
1449
01:22:11,931 --> 01:22:15,034
Look at butterflies
and caterpillars.
1450
01:22:15,068 --> 01:22:17,344
How could you ever
convince a butterfly,
1451
01:22:17,379 --> 01:22:18,896
that it had been a caterpillar,
1452
01:22:18,931 --> 01:22:21,068
or a caterpillar that it
would become a butterfly?
1453
01:22:24,275 --> 01:22:25,586
Communion is about...
1454
01:22:26,793 --> 01:22:29,758
opening the door
in the human heart,
1455
01:22:29,793 --> 01:22:30,965
and in the human mind.
1456
01:22:32,137 --> 01:22:34,206
You are not what you think,
1457
01:22:34,241 --> 01:22:36,586
you are not a
body that will die,
1458
01:22:36,620 --> 01:22:37,896
and disappear.
1459
01:22:38,931 --> 01:22:41,344
Uselessly, pointlessly,
1460
01:22:41,379 --> 01:22:43,724
after all the billions of years,
1461
01:22:43,758 --> 01:22:46,517
your planet has
put into creating you,
1462
01:22:46,551 --> 01:22:49,206
don't imagine that
for one moment.
1463
01:22:50,724 --> 01:22:51,758
Let that go.
1464
01:22:53,965 --> 01:22:54,965
Let it go.
1465
01:22:59,103 --> 01:23:04,689
It was an extraordinary experience, theexperience.
1466
01:23:04,724 --> 01:23:06,862
It has been made a mockery of.
1467
01:23:06,896 --> 01:23:09,907
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"italic" > don't believe me, I know that.
1468
01:23:09,931 --> 01:23:11,275
But the truth is,
1469
01:23:11,310 --> 01:23:12,517
I am not crazy.
1470
01:23:14,965 --> 01:23:18,103
This book, is the beginning
1471
01:23:18,137 --> 01:23:21,586
of a very big conversation
of what might be out there.
1472
01:23:21,620 --> 01:23:24,758
How can we
neglect all the people
1473
01:23:24,793 --> 01:23:26,793
that suddenly came
together and said,
1474
01:23:26,827 --> 01:23:28,965
"Oh, I've had the
same experience."
1475
01:23:30,137 --> 01:23:33,137
Whitley Strieber's
story stands out.
1476
01:23:33,172 --> 01:23:34,344
He called them visitors.
1477
01:23:34,379 --> 01:23:36,931
He didn't ask you
to believe in UFOs
1478
01:23:36,965 --> 01:23:39,103
or little green men
from other planets.
1479
01:23:39,137 --> 01:23:40,517
He said, "This is what I saw."
1480
01:23:41,137 --> 01:23:42,310
Whitley realizes,
1481
01:23:42,344 --> 01:23:44,184
the visitors are here
and they're here to stay.
1482
01:23:47,379 --> 01:23:48,655
What happened to me,
1483
01:23:48,689 --> 01:23:51,275
I'm still not certain,
1484
01:23:51,310 --> 01:23:53,931
but I am certain of one thing.
1485
01:23:53,965 --> 01:23:56,793
This is something
very, very real,
1486
01:23:56,827 --> 01:24:00,172
and I think that will be
perfectly obvious to you,
1487
01:24:00,206 --> 01:24:01,827
when you listen to this tape.
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