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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,206 --> 00:00:09,606 This is Whitley Strieber. 2 00:00:10,413 --> 00:00:12,000 I wish to warn you... 3 00:00:17,206 --> 00:00:19,689 this tape was not originally made 4 00:00:19,724 --> 00:00:21,551 for public use. 5 00:00:21,586 --> 00:00:24,068 It is hard to hear. 6 00:00:24,103 --> 00:00:26,931 So, there is very frightening screaming. 7 00:00:26,965 --> 00:00:29,862 It should not be listened to by little children. 8 00:00:29,896 --> 00:00:31,827 It will affect them negatively. 9 00:01:28,793 --> 00:01:31,551 Welcome to Larry King Live. 10 00:01:31,586 --> 00:01:35,137 Tonight, Close Encounters of the Third Kind. 11 00:01:35,172 --> 00:01:38,241 Whitley Strieber says they're really out there 12 00:01:38,275 --> 00:01:40,310 and they could be coming to get you. 13 00:01:40,344 --> 00:01:43,620 Now, here's Larry King. 14 00:01:43,655 --> 00:01:44,965 Our first guest tonight is author 15 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,758 of the runaway bestseller, Communion. 16 00:01:47,793 --> 00:01:49,068 He is Whitley Strieber. 17 00:01:49,103 --> 00:01:50,389 What happened to me was, 18 00:01:50,413 --> 00:01:54,275 after I finally realized that this was real, 19 00:01:54,310 --> 00:01:55,655 -And you found -I... 20 00:01:55,689 --> 00:01:57,079 -people from another planet -In the sense that they were... 21 00:01:57,103 --> 00:01:58,665 - abducted you. - Well, people, 22 00:01:58,689 --> 00:02:01,103 something that was non-human, that was intelligent. 23 00:02:01,137 --> 00:02:03,103 And I started trying to challenge it 24 00:02:03,137 --> 00:02:05,034 to get through my fear. 25 00:02:05,068 --> 00:02:06,965 And over a period of months, 26 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,103 I formed a relationship with them. 27 00:02:10,517 --> 00:02:13,862 Whitley Strieber was a New York Times best seller. 28 00:02:13,896 --> 00:02:16,275 He wrote a book called The Wolfen, 29 00:02:16,310 --> 00:02:18,137 which then became a movie. 30 00:02:18,172 --> 00:02:20,689 Also, another book called The Hunger, 31 00:02:20,724 --> 00:02:22,344 which also became a movie. 32 00:02:23,034 --> 00:02:25,172 This is a guy who's already 33 00:02:25,620 --> 00:02:26,965 a known entity. 34 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,400 He's a great writer. He's got a great career ahead of himself. 35 00:02:30,689 --> 00:02:33,172 Whitley Strieber is also a person 36 00:02:33,206 --> 00:02:34,965 who went through something profound 37 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,724 back in 1985 38 00:02:36,758 --> 00:02:38,620 and wrote a book about it called Communion 39 00:02:38,655 --> 00:02:40,896 that pretty much changed the entire landscape. 40 00:02:44,689 --> 00:02:46,289 How do you know you're not nuts, Whitley? 41 00:02:46,689 --> 00:02:48,172 Well... 42 00:02:48,206 --> 00:02:50,344 Before this, there's no conversation 43 00:02:50,379 --> 00:02:52,137 of people being abducted. 44 00:02:52,172 --> 00:02:54,310 And here, this known entity 45 00:02:54,344 --> 00:02:56,482 writes this book and says, this happened to me. 46 00:02:56,517 --> 00:03:00,310 This is a landmark in this field. 47 00:03:00,344 --> 00:03:02,758 - You've taken lie detector tests. - - Three, yes. 48 00:03:02,793 --> 00:03:05,344 He was a chosen one. 49 00:03:06,241 --> 00:03:07,551 It was not, uh... 50 00:03:08,862 --> 00:03:10,172 not exactly a blessing. 51 00:03:10,689 --> 00:03:11,689 It was an ordeal. 52 00:03:13,655 --> 00:03:15,689 Briefly, for the benefit of those who may not know 53 00:03:15,724 --> 00:03:18,113 and of course, I guess the Strieber story is pretty well known. 54 00:03:18,137 --> 00:03:19,586 What happened to you initially? 55 00:03:39,689 --> 00:03:41,172 Just a lovely day, 56 00:03:42,793 --> 00:03:44,551 exactly the kind of Christmas Day 57 00:03:44,586 --> 00:03:46,206 that a happy family 58 00:03:46,241 --> 00:03:48,758 you know, basically a wonderful life situation 59 00:03:48,793 --> 00:03:50,172 at that point would have. 60 00:04:00,034 --> 00:04:01,310 And it snowed. 61 00:04:02,620 --> 00:04:03,896 I'll never forget. 62 00:04:03,931 --> 00:04:05,620 We went walking and... 63 00:04:06,310 --> 00:04:08,137 the snowflakes were so... 64 00:04:08,793 --> 00:04:10,344 they were like, 65 00:04:10,379 --> 00:04:12,103 like under a microscope 66 00:04:12,137 --> 00:04:13,965 when you see a snowflake, all the crystals. 67 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,586 But they were big and they would fall on your gloves 68 00:04:16,620 --> 00:04:19,000 and we would look at them and it was fascinating. 69 00:04:21,448 --> 00:04:23,000 That was the quietest, 70 00:04:23,034 --> 00:04:25,586 loveliest evening you could imagine. 71 00:05:20,758 --> 00:05:21,965 And then suddenly 72 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,689 a, a group of them are coming toward him 73 00:05:24,724 --> 00:05:27,482 and he gets taken outside to the back porch 74 00:05:27,517 --> 00:05:29,068 where he's placed on this cot. 75 00:05:33,275 --> 00:05:35,586 That then takes him out to a clearing in the woods. 76 00:05:36,896 --> 00:05:38,310 I remembered 77 00:05:38,344 --> 00:05:40,344 sitting in a circle in the woods... 78 00:05:41,275 --> 00:05:42,344 in the snow. 79 00:05:44,896 --> 00:05:47,655 And then I suddenly went up in the air. 80 00:05:55,517 --> 00:05:57,965 I felt like when you're going up in a fast elevator, 81 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,413 I felt my stomach went, left behind 82 00:06:00,448 --> 00:06:02,275 and I see the trees going by 83 00:06:02,310 --> 00:06:03,931 and then I see the clouds. 84 00:06:04,896 --> 00:06:07,275 Then, I'm in a little room 85 00:06:07,827 --> 00:06:08,965 just like that. 86 00:06:11,275 --> 00:06:12,965 It's frightening, 87 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,448 being completely conscious, 88 00:06:15,482 --> 00:06:17,206 not having control of your body, 89 00:06:17,241 --> 00:06:19,103 and then being shot up into 90 00:06:19,137 --> 00:06:21,482 some kind of ship or room. 91 00:06:31,068 --> 00:06:33,275 And I kept trying to wake up 92 00:06:33,310 --> 00:06:35,965 because I obviously was not in bed. 93 00:06:36,965 --> 00:06:38,645 You know, it had to be a nightmare, right? 94 00:06:39,103 --> 00:06:41,103 And, um... 95 00:06:41,137 --> 00:06:43,241 I realized these creatures were there. 96 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:47,379 They were funny looking. 97 00:06:48,103 --> 00:06:49,379 They were like the workers. 98 00:06:51,137 --> 00:06:53,689 And then there was this willowy, 99 00:06:53,724 --> 00:06:55,620 kind of taller... 100 00:06:55,655 --> 00:06:57,448 being with the great big black eyes. 101 00:06:58,724 --> 00:07:00,344 He was the leader. 102 00:07:02,517 --> 00:07:03,827 It felt like a woman to me. 103 00:07:38,068 --> 00:07:40,655 I kept trying to wake up 104 00:07:40,689 --> 00:07:42,655 because I thought I was having a nightmare. 105 00:07:57,034 --> 00:07:59,344 I wanted to smell them because I wanted to... 106 00:07:59,379 --> 00:08:02,172 I was trying to get some way of... 107 00:08:02,206 --> 00:08:03,551 telling whether or not 108 00:08:04,137 --> 00:08:05,206 this was real. 109 00:08:07,620 --> 00:08:10,551 So, this one puts his hand up against my face 110 00:08:10,586 --> 00:08:11,793 and it smelled like cinnamon. 111 00:08:18,896 --> 00:08:22,103 The smell of cinnamon was grounding in one sense. 112 00:08:22,965 --> 00:08:24,586 It made me think that 113 00:08:25,482 --> 00:08:27,068 I was in a real situation. 114 00:08:29,241 --> 00:08:31,551 In another sense, it was extremely disturbing 115 00:08:31,586 --> 00:08:33,172 for the same reason. 116 00:08:33,206 --> 00:08:36,241 The real situation I was in was very weird 117 00:08:36,275 --> 00:08:38,034 and very provocative 118 00:08:38,068 --> 00:08:41,965 with two different kinds of extremely strange looking creatures. 119 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,448 And I was physically helpless and couldn't get away. 120 00:08:45,482 --> 00:08:48,000 That's when they start to perform experiments on his body. 121 00:08:50,758 --> 00:08:52,103 Blue ones open a box 122 00:08:52,137 --> 00:08:54,793 and show me this needle, 123 00:08:56,137 --> 00:08:58,551 and they're gonna put the needle 124 00:08:58,586 --> 00:08:59,689 in my head, I... 125 00:08:59,724 --> 00:09:02,206 How I know that, I don't know, but I do. 126 00:09:02,241 --> 00:09:05,068 And I start to say, you're going to ruin a beautiful mind. 127 00:09:06,620 --> 00:09:09,000 But they put the needle in the side of my head, anyway. 128 00:09:10,758 --> 00:09:12,172 It makes a cracking sound, 129 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:14,137 but there's no pain. 130 00:09:23,758 --> 00:09:27,172 And then I find myself 131 00:09:27,206 --> 00:09:29,931 having this thing thrust into my rectum. 132 00:09:44,379 --> 00:09:47,137 I remember a horrible feeling 133 00:09:47,172 --> 00:09:49,862 of coldness went through my body 134 00:09:50,448 --> 00:09:51,448 when that happened. 135 00:09:59,827 --> 00:10:01,344 He wakes up in the morning, 136 00:10:01,379 --> 00:10:02,907 FontStyle= "italic" > he's been in a physical fight, 137 00:10:02,931 --> 00:10:04,862 he feels sore, hurting, 138 00:10:04,896 --> 00:10:07,310 and, and shaken by something he went through. 139 00:10:08,482 --> 00:10:10,655 Just this, this waterfall of emotions 140 00:10:10,689 --> 00:10:13,482 and fear, it all comes crashing down. 141 00:10:13,517 --> 00:10:16,241 I had trouble remembering my whereabouts, 142 00:10:16,275 --> 00:10:18,827 and that was because of the trauma that was involved. 143 00:10:20,344 --> 00:10:22,172 Something happened to him, 144 00:10:22,206 --> 00:10:24,379 but he's not connecting the experience 145 00:10:24,413 --> 00:10:25,827 with his body. 146 00:10:25,862 --> 00:10:27,241 So, he feels separated. 147 00:10:28,379 --> 00:10:29,482 Is he crazy? 148 00:10:30,827 --> 00:10:32,947 I was gonna tell his wife that. What if she leaves him? 149 00:10:34,034 --> 00:10:35,965 I remember these big eyes 150 00:10:36,827 --> 00:10:39,000 and I said to Annie, 151 00:10:39,034 --> 00:10:42,448 "I think an owl got in here during the night." 152 00:10:42,482 --> 00:10:45,000 And she looked at me like, you know, are you nuts? 153 00:10:47,310 --> 00:10:49,137 Then at the same time, 154 00:10:49,172 --> 00:10:51,482 my, my anus began to hurt. 155 00:10:51,517 --> 00:10:53,344 And it hurt a lot, as to the point 156 00:10:53,379 --> 00:10:55,758 where I wasn't comfortable sitting down for very long, 157 00:10:55,793 --> 00:10:57,689 writing, and I, you know, I like to write. 158 00:10:58,448 --> 00:10:59,517 And then I had a... 159 00:11:00,724 --> 00:11:02,379 a red mark on my head, 160 00:11:02,413 --> 00:11:06,813 on the side of my head and I seem to remember someone putting a needle in it. 161 00:11:07,206 --> 00:11:09,551 He cannot figure out what happened to him 162 00:11:09,586 --> 00:11:11,172 and he's not really sure what to do. 163 00:11:12,379 --> 00:11:14,724 This is a life changing event 164 00:11:14,758 --> 00:11:18,000 that has sent him on a path of, "Am I crazy?" 165 00:11:18,586 --> 00:11:19,827 And if I'm not crazy, 166 00:11:19,862 --> 00:11:21,551 what does this actually mean for me, 167 00:11:21,586 --> 00:11:23,689 the world, my family, my life? 168 00:11:43,275 --> 00:11:45,103 We'd already been married a long time 169 00:11:45,137 --> 00:11:46,344 and we were very happy. 170 00:11:47,896 --> 00:11:51,000 And all of a sudden, I couldn't figure out what was going on. 171 00:11:52,862 --> 00:11:56,068 Whitley changed, and our relationship with him changed. 172 00:11:57,379 --> 00:11:59,413 He seemed very disturbed 173 00:11:59,448 --> 00:12:00,517 and troubled and... 174 00:12:01,758 --> 00:12:02,758 agitated. 175 00:12:06,413 --> 00:12:09,551 So, I finally, I went to the doctor. 176 00:12:09,586 --> 00:12:11,320 I talked and he thought he'd see hemorrhoids. 177 00:12:11,344 --> 00:12:13,965 And he says, well, "You know, Whitley? You, there's a lesion. 178 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,586 You know, you've been raped." 179 00:12:17,206 --> 00:12:18,724 And I almost threw up on him. 180 00:12:20,586 --> 00:12:21,689 Oh! 181 00:12:22,793 --> 00:12:24,241 He said, "Well, why don't we do this? 182 00:12:24,275 --> 00:12:26,758 Let's do some psychological tests. 183 00:12:26,793 --> 00:12:29,482 Let's do some medical tests and see where we are." 184 00:12:34,034 --> 00:12:35,827 Between that time... 185 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,586 I had looked up 186 00:12:39,620 --> 00:12:41,482 what happens to in a marriage 187 00:12:41,517 --> 00:12:45,551 if one member of the marriage becomes mentally unfit? 188 00:12:46,275 --> 00:12:47,758 And the answer was that 189 00:12:47,793 --> 00:12:50,000 Anne would have a very hard time divorcing me. 190 00:12:52,103 --> 00:12:54,137 I'm trying to protect her from ending up 191 00:12:54,172 --> 00:12:56,862 with this helpless, useless husband on her hands 192 00:12:56,896 --> 00:12:58,758 when she's got a little boy to raise. 193 00:13:00,068 --> 00:13:02,000 I don't want her to suffer that. 194 00:13:03,862 --> 00:13:06,724 So, he started, he would start picking fights with me... 195 00:13:08,034 --> 00:13:10,206 and trying to make me mad, and then I'd get mad 196 00:13:10,241 --> 00:13:12,448 and he'd say, "Well, why don't you just divorce me? 197 00:13:12,482 --> 00:13:13,724 Why don't you just leave me?" 198 00:13:16,241 --> 00:13:18,620 I wanted her to divorce me, 199 00:13:18,655 --> 00:13:20,975 but I didn't want to tell her. I thought I was going crazy. 200 00:13:23,896 --> 00:13:26,068 Then I, I had a... 201 00:13:26,103 --> 00:13:28,655 After the tests all came back normal... 202 00:13:30,172 --> 00:13:32,241 I swear to God, I did not know what to think. 203 00:13:35,241 --> 00:13:37,724 I thought to myself, "How do I tell Anne this story?" 204 00:13:39,896 --> 00:13:42,137 And so I called my friend, 205 00:13:42,172 --> 00:13:44,551 Timothy Greenfield Saunders. 206 00:13:44,586 --> 00:13:46,106 He seemed a little disturbed. 207 00:13:46,137 --> 00:13:48,103 And I said, you know, Whitley, what's going on? 208 00:13:48,137 --> 00:13:49,965 He goes, well, I don't know how to say this, 209 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,482 but, you know. And I said, what, what? 210 00:13:52,517 --> 00:13:56,241 And he said, he finally, kind of, got it out and said, 211 00:13:56,275 --> 00:13:58,034 "I was abducted by aliens." 212 00:13:59,103 --> 00:14:01,758 I was the first person he had ever told 213 00:14:01,793 --> 00:14:03,379 about the abduction. 214 00:14:05,862 --> 00:14:08,827 I could tell from the way he was speaking to me 215 00:14:08,862 --> 00:14:12,206 that this was very real to him. 216 00:14:12,241 --> 00:14:15,724 Uh, I mean, I thought he could have had a... 217 00:14:15,758 --> 00:14:18,172 a psychotic break or something. I didn't know. 218 00:14:18,206 --> 00:14:20,620 But it was not put on, 219 00:14:20,655 --> 00:14:22,862 you know. 220 00:14:22,896 --> 00:14:26,448 And I said, "I'm trying to figure out how I tell Anne this." 221 00:14:26,482 --> 00:14:28,793 He said, "Whitley, I have no idea what happened, 222 00:14:28,827 --> 00:14:31,286 but I think that you just tell her what you remember, 223 00:14:31,310 --> 00:14:32,448 that's all you can do." 224 00:14:33,620 --> 00:14:34,655 And... 225 00:14:35,413 --> 00:14:36,482 she was very nervous 226 00:14:36,517 --> 00:14:38,482 because she thought I was going to say, it's over, 227 00:14:38,517 --> 00:14:39,655 the marriage is over. 228 00:14:40,862 --> 00:14:42,344 And... 229 00:14:42,379 --> 00:14:44,310 so I said, I have a story to tell you. 230 00:14:45,206 --> 00:14:47,103 And he said to me, 231 00:14:47,137 --> 00:14:49,448 "I think I've been abducted by aliens." 232 00:14:50,689 --> 00:14:52,551 And I said to him, "Oh, thank God, 233 00:14:52,586 --> 00:14:54,172 I don't have to get a divorce." 234 00:14:56,931 --> 00:14:59,724 Anne helped him get through the trauma. 235 00:14:59,758 --> 00:15:02,551 She was able to get him to that next level 236 00:15:02,586 --> 00:15:04,793 where he was comfortable with his story, 237 00:15:04,827 --> 00:15:07,551 and then he could help change the landscape of, of the space. 238 00:15:09,413 --> 00:15:11,586 I guess that was the moment when we... 239 00:15:12,758 --> 00:15:15,206 began to be able to handle this crazy story 240 00:15:16,482 --> 00:15:18,448 of being taken up in the air and... 241 00:15:19,862 --> 00:15:21,517 seeing the insect people 242 00:15:21,551 --> 00:15:23,896 and the visitors and then... 243 00:15:23,931 --> 00:15:26,758 being raped and all this stuff was in my head, 244 00:15:27,896 --> 00:15:29,965 but I did not know what to do with it. 245 00:15:34,724 --> 00:15:36,344 My brother had sent me a book 246 00:15:37,137 --> 00:15:39,413 called Science and the UFOs. 247 00:15:39,448 --> 00:15:41,724 And in the back of it there was a description 248 00:15:41,758 --> 00:15:44,206 of an experience very much like my own 249 00:15:44,241 --> 00:15:46,862 or quite similar to my own, 250 00:15:46,896 --> 00:15:50,206 that was recounted by a researcher called Budd Hopkins. 251 00:15:52,379 --> 00:15:53,458 Through the mid '80s, 252 00:15:53,482 --> 00:15:56,103 Budd Hopkins was one of the biggest names 253 00:15:56,137 --> 00:15:57,724 in UFO research. 254 00:15:57,758 --> 00:15:59,862 He has written two books on the subject, 255 00:15:59,896 --> 00:16:02,482 the latest of which is called Intruders. 256 00:16:02,517 --> 00:16:04,689 My name is Debbie Jordan-Kauble, 257 00:16:04,724 --> 00:16:08,344 and I am the central figure in Budd Hopkins book, Intruders. 258 00:16:16,965 --> 00:16:19,448 I noticed a strange light in the pumphouse 259 00:16:19,482 --> 00:16:20,793 of my parents swimming pool. 260 00:16:24,137 --> 00:16:26,068 I was concerned with prowlers. 261 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,965 My father had a shotgun 262 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,172 and I picked it up. 263 00:16:32,103 --> 00:16:34,482 I continued on back across the yard, 264 00:16:36,137 --> 00:16:37,275 I checked the pump house 265 00:16:38,206 --> 00:16:40,517 and I suddenly felt... 266 00:16:40,551 --> 00:16:43,068 it was like a hot flash times ten, 267 00:16:43,103 --> 00:16:45,586 and my skin felt, like, it was on fire. 268 00:16:52,965 --> 00:16:54,310 Little gray guys. 269 00:16:54,344 --> 00:16:55,413 There were six of them 270 00:16:55,448 --> 00:16:58,000 and they seem to come from every direction. 271 00:17:01,896 --> 00:17:05,000 It was about eight feet in diameter, 272 00:17:05,034 --> 00:17:06,689 it was shaped like an egg. 273 00:17:06,724 --> 00:17:09,655 Three or four, like, skinny arms 274 00:17:09,689 --> 00:17:11,413 that came out of the center part of it 275 00:17:11,448 --> 00:17:12,655 and down to the ground. 276 00:17:13,758 --> 00:17:15,241 There was one point where I felt like 277 00:17:15,275 --> 00:17:16,862 something stabbed me in the ear 278 00:17:16,896 --> 00:17:19,068 and I, in my head... 279 00:17:19,103 --> 00:17:22,586 saw, like, a knitting needle that was hot with heat. 280 00:17:30,241 --> 00:17:31,586 Whatever happened during that time 281 00:17:31,620 --> 00:17:33,379 just wiped from my mind completely. 282 00:17:35,517 --> 00:17:36,724 The next day when I woke up, 283 00:17:38,241 --> 00:17:40,034 there's this mark in the backyard. 284 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,379 Eight foot diameter circle 285 00:17:43,034 --> 00:17:45,517 had like a 49-foot swath 286 00:17:45,551 --> 00:17:47,862 that went all the way across the backyard. 287 00:17:48,551 --> 00:17:50,241 And all the grass in it 288 00:17:50,275 --> 00:17:53,758 just, kind of, turned this grayish brown and laid down. 289 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,620 The first thing that came back to me 290 00:17:56,655 --> 00:17:57,862 as I'm looking at this mark, 291 00:17:57,896 --> 00:18:00,206 I was like, I see these two big black eyes. 292 00:18:11,517 --> 00:18:14,206 So, he got me in touch with... 293 00:18:14,241 --> 00:18:16,034 the best forensic hypnotist, 294 00:18:16,068 --> 00:18:19,000 probably in the United States, Dr. Donald Klein, 295 00:18:19,034 --> 00:18:21,620 who was the head of the New York State Department of Psychiatry 296 00:18:21,655 --> 00:18:25,241 and had used his forensic hypnosis techniques to solve, 297 00:18:25,275 --> 00:18:27,034 at that point in his career, 298 00:18:27,068 --> 00:18:29,448 72 different crimes. 299 00:18:29,482 --> 00:18:31,758 And so I was comfortable with him. 300 00:18:44,758 --> 00:18:46,113 This is Whitley Strieber. 301 00:18:46,137 --> 00:18:49,586 You're about to listen to my first hypnosis session 302 00:18:49,620 --> 00:18:51,793 with Dr. Donald Klein 303 00:18:51,827 --> 00:18:55,758 conducted on March the first, 1986. 304 00:18:56,517 --> 00:18:59,034 I wish to warn you. 305 00:18:59,068 --> 00:19:02,655 So, there is a significant amount of screaming. 306 00:19:02,689 --> 00:19:05,379 It is very frightening screaming. 307 00:19:05,413 --> 00:19:07,517 It should not be listened to by little children. 308 00:19:08,310 --> 00:19:10,275 It will affect them negatively. 309 00:19:45,689 --> 00:19:47,758 Eight... going to sleep. 310 00:19:48,689 --> 00:19:50,724 Nine... going to sleep. 311 00:19:59,551 --> 00:20:00,838 I saw something 312 00:20:00,862 --> 00:20:02,758 that looked like it had a hood on it. 313 00:20:03,862 --> 00:20:04,931 Yeah. 314 00:20:05,931 --> 00:20:07,379 Standing by the wall, 315 00:20:07,413 --> 00:20:09,310 near the corner in our bedroom. 316 00:20:09,931 --> 00:20:11,137 And I don't want it... 317 00:20:12,034 --> 00:20:13,862 to be there. 318 00:20:13,896 --> 00:20:16,216 - Listen. I can't listen to it. I'm sorry. - Okay. 319 00:20:16,655 --> 00:20:17,724 I can't do it. 320 00:20:20,206 --> 00:20:21,896 When I hear my voice, 321 00:20:21,931 --> 00:20:24,896 the fear comes back into me immediately. 322 00:20:24,931 --> 00:20:26,620 And it's just impossible to do it. 323 00:20:26,655 --> 00:20:27,827 I can't listen to it. 324 00:20:46,344 --> 00:20:48,000 It's a beautiful weekend. 325 00:20:50,724 --> 00:20:52,206 And... 326 00:20:52,241 --> 00:20:55,700 we take some friends, Jacques Sandulescu and Annie Gottlieb, 327 00:20:55,724 --> 00:20:57,000 up to the cabin with us. 328 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,793 And we have... 329 00:20:59,827 --> 00:21:01,724 lovely dinner on Saturday night, 330 00:21:02,586 --> 00:21:04,241 come home, we chat for a while 331 00:21:04,275 --> 00:21:05,482 and everybody goes to bed. 332 00:21:07,068 --> 00:21:09,034 Between three and four I think, 333 00:21:09,068 --> 00:21:12,137 the whole place was suddenly flooded with light 334 00:21:12,172 --> 00:21:14,862 and it was so bright, it woke me right up. 335 00:21:14,896 --> 00:21:16,103 I thought, "Holy God," 336 00:21:16,137 --> 00:21:19,965 the roof has been set on fire by the stove. 337 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,482 Then the light goes out. 338 00:21:54,448 --> 00:21:56,620 It wasn't human and it wasn't an animal. 339 00:21:58,793 --> 00:22:02,758 It felt like, maybe, the way a snake would be interested in someone. 340 00:22:02,793 --> 00:22:04,310 And it struck at me. 341 00:22:17,655 --> 00:22:19,965 It had this little thing... 342 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,793 in I just wanna say its hand 343 00:22:22,827 --> 00:22:24,517 because it was moving like that 344 00:22:24,551 --> 00:22:26,689 and when it moved it through the air, 345 00:22:26,724 --> 00:22:29,551 chitiz, chitiz, like it was electric. 346 00:22:29,586 --> 00:22:32,379 And it hit me in the head with it twice in the forehead. 347 00:22:32,862 --> 00:22:33,965 And I saw the... 348 00:22:35,068 --> 00:22:37,482 then, I didn't understand. 349 00:23:32,482 --> 00:23:34,931 It's just horrible, terrible images. 350 00:23:34,965 --> 00:23:36,379 Uh, and he's shaken by them. 351 00:24:07,965 --> 00:24:10,965 I saw my son dying and I saw the world on fire. 352 00:24:12,137 --> 00:24:13,827 And now... 353 00:24:13,862 --> 00:24:15,827 of course, the world is on fire. 354 00:24:38,896 --> 00:24:42,103 One of the things that's so telling in this audio 355 00:24:42,137 --> 00:24:46,275 is that Whitley not only sounds like he's this primal fear, 356 00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:49,068 but you hear his Texas accent come back. 357 00:24:49,103 --> 00:24:51,310 Uh, it's not there in the beginning, 358 00:24:51,344 --> 00:24:53,137 which means he's going all the way back 359 00:24:53,172 --> 00:24:54,862 to his earliest days. 360 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,517 I, you couldn't make that up. 361 00:25:21,758 --> 00:25:23,413 I mean, it is, it's like visceral. 362 00:25:24,620 --> 00:25:26,068 You can feel it in your heart 363 00:25:27,517 --> 00:25:30,862 because somebody's trapped and being forced to, like, 364 00:25:31,896 --> 00:25:33,034 witness something... 365 00:25:34,172 --> 00:25:35,172 horrific. 366 00:25:50,931 --> 00:25:52,310 If it is aliens 367 00:25:52,344 --> 00:25:53,896 and they are doing this. 368 00:25:53,931 --> 00:25:57,517 Most people, including me until recently, 369 00:25:57,551 --> 00:25:59,344 just didn't even believe the dead existed. 370 00:25:59,379 --> 00:26:01,586 They only think that when a person is dead, 371 00:26:01,620 --> 00:26:02,965 they're dead. 372 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,379 But, um, I don't, know, 373 00:26:04,413 --> 00:26:06,827 I don't know that's true anymore at all. 374 00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:09,620 These visitors 375 00:26:09,655 --> 00:26:12,310 are now intermingling with, with the dead. 376 00:26:13,344 --> 00:26:16,241 At first we were talking about aliens, 377 00:26:16,275 --> 00:26:18,413 but now we're talking about spirits and ghosts 378 00:26:18,448 --> 00:26:21,448 and everything, all at this one property. 379 00:26:21,482 --> 00:26:24,103 And it makes the story a whole lot stranger 380 00:26:24,137 --> 00:26:25,241 than it ever was. 381 00:26:25,275 --> 00:26:26,965 And it already was pretty strange. 382 00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:38,793 The actual experience at the house 383 00:26:38,827 --> 00:26:40,724 on October the fourth, 384 00:26:40,758 --> 00:26:43,482 probably lasted, maybe, under 5 minutes, 385 00:26:43,517 --> 00:26:45,206 maybe under a minute, for all I know. 386 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,862 Then there's a big bang, 387 00:26:47,896 --> 00:26:50,172 then the light goes out. 388 00:26:50,206 --> 00:26:53,620 And then when it came to the surface during the hypnosis session, 389 00:26:53,655 --> 00:26:55,517 I walked out of there a different person. 390 00:26:55,551 --> 00:26:56,862 And I've never been back. 391 00:26:56,896 --> 00:26:58,586 I'll never be back to the person 392 00:26:58,620 --> 00:27:01,310 who was alive in me before then. 393 00:27:01,344 --> 00:27:03,103 I'll never go back. I can't go back. 394 00:27:20,724 --> 00:27:21,965 It's a blind test. 395 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,000 Whitley just says, "Can you please do this for me? 396 00:27:24,034 --> 00:27:25,355 Can you go through this regression? 397 00:27:25,379 --> 00:27:27,862 They're gonna ask a few questions and that's it. 398 00:27:27,896 --> 00:27:29,376 They don't even know what it's about.. 399 00:28:10,379 --> 00:28:12,034 Jacques remembers thinking, 400 00:28:12,068 --> 00:28:13,379 "Oh my gosh, I slept to noon. 401 00:28:13,413 --> 00:28:14,517 How rude of me." 402 00:28:14,551 --> 00:28:15,689 But then the light goes away 403 00:28:15,724 --> 00:28:16,793 and he goes back to sleep. 404 00:28:21,206 --> 00:28:23,103 Jacques and Annie are staying in the room 405 00:28:23,137 --> 00:28:25,206 directly beneath Whitley and his wife. 406 00:28:26,551 --> 00:28:28,034 Annie remembers the sounds. 407 00:28:58,413 --> 00:29:00,620 So, what the hell was that about? 408 00:29:00,655 --> 00:29:02,724 That, that it was somehow 409 00:29:02,758 --> 00:29:04,172 masked or suppressed, 410 00:29:04,206 --> 00:29:05,413 that we had no memory of it... 411 00:29:06,482 --> 00:29:08,242 and then we had such a vivid memory of it. 412 00:29:09,793 --> 00:29:11,700 Can you explain the light in the window 413 00:29:11,724 --> 00:29:14,172 and the pitter patterin' of feet, unless... 414 00:29:14,206 --> 00:29:16,586 it suggests that whatever Whitley experienced 415 00:29:16,620 --> 00:29:17,793 really did happen. 416 00:29:18,517 --> 00:29:19,700 We couldn't understand 417 00:29:19,724 --> 00:29:20,976 why if these things had happened 418 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,079 in the middle of the night, 419 00:29:22,103 --> 00:29:23,620 we hadn't reacted more. 420 00:29:23,655 --> 00:29:26,689 It was as if we were sort of immobilized. 421 00:29:26,724 --> 00:29:28,527 Clearly, everything's just coming together. 422 00:29:28,551 --> 00:29:29,827 All these pieces of the puzzle 423 00:29:29,862 --> 00:29:31,931 just come together all at once. 424 00:29:31,965 --> 00:29:33,310 And then Whitley has to assume 425 00:29:33,344 --> 00:29:34,655 that the rest of his experience, 426 00:29:34,689 --> 00:29:36,275 what, what he remembers and recalls 427 00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:39,000 through his regression must also be backed. 428 00:29:41,034 --> 00:29:42,620 When the monster's not in the closet 429 00:29:42,655 --> 00:29:44,758 and it's real, it's a different experience. 430 00:29:46,034 --> 00:29:47,586 It's as simple as that, my friend. 431 00:29:51,758 --> 00:29:53,068 Anne listened to the tapes... 432 00:29:54,034 --> 00:29:56,310 "Just, just come here." 433 00:29:57,620 --> 00:29:58,620 and... 434 00:29:59,931 --> 00:30:00,965 took me in her arms. 435 00:30:02,862 --> 00:30:03,965 It was Anne 436 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,241 who suggested to Whitley that, 437 00:30:05,275 --> 00:30:06,482 that he write this down, 438 00:30:06,517 --> 00:30:08,068 that he put this in a book, 439 00:30:08,103 --> 00:30:09,448 uh, that he's he's bold, 440 00:30:09,482 --> 00:30:11,413 he's courageous, put it out there. 441 00:30:11,448 --> 00:30:13,586 And also, as a writer, I understand 442 00:30:13,620 --> 00:30:16,172 that sometimes that's how you exercise your own demons. 443 00:30:18,517 --> 00:30:20,275 She was the one who decided 444 00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:22,172 to call the book Communion 445 00:30:22,206 --> 00:30:24,172 because she said that's what it's about. 446 00:30:24,206 --> 00:30:26,448 And I said, "Boy, it sure doesn't seem like that." 447 00:30:26,482 --> 00:30:28,724 She said, "It will, Whitley, it will." 448 00:30:28,758 --> 00:30:30,344 And now it does, of course. 449 00:30:38,137 --> 00:30:40,655 I literally sat down beside him... 450 00:30:41,344 --> 00:30:42,793 and he made a sketch... 451 00:30:43,620 --> 00:30:45,793 of the face, as I talked, 452 00:30:46,482 --> 00:30:48,241 on this little piece of board. 453 00:30:49,172 --> 00:30:51,724 It's what I remember on that night, 454 00:30:51,758 --> 00:30:53,137 the 26th of December. 455 00:30:54,551 --> 00:30:55,965 There was something, um... 456 00:30:56,931 --> 00:30:59,241 immensely powerful and knowledgeable... 457 00:31:00,275 --> 00:31:01,551 about that face. 458 00:31:01,586 --> 00:31:04,931 A little amused, actually, like... 459 00:31:07,620 --> 00:31:09,793 this individual had known 460 00:31:09,827 --> 00:31:11,655 that I was going to be very upset... 461 00:31:12,172 --> 00:31:13,724 and had 462 00:31:13,758 --> 00:31:16,068 now that I was going nuts... 463 00:31:17,793 --> 00:31:20,379 she was sort of just kind of rolling with it. 464 00:31:27,758 --> 00:31:28,862 The book comes out, 465 00:31:28,896 --> 00:31:30,379 I mean, well about a year and a half 466 00:31:30,413 --> 00:31:31,965 after the actual event took place, 467 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,389 which is pretty quick to write a book 468 00:31:33,413 --> 00:31:34,724 and get it published. 469 00:31:34,758 --> 00:31:37,482 And suddenly it's this huge bestseller. 470 00:31:41,793 --> 00:31:43,827 How do you know you're not nuts, Whitley? 471 00:31:43,862 --> 00:31:46,182 If they're real, why don't they land on the White House lawn? 472 00:31:46,206 --> 00:31:47,655 Well, because we're not ready. 473 00:31:48,206 --> 00:31:49,896 We are not ready 474 00:31:49,931 --> 00:31:52,655 to take away all of our belief systems 475 00:31:52,689 --> 00:31:54,089 and our understanding of this world. 476 00:31:55,275 --> 00:31:57,379 I'm not a believer, I'm an entertainer. 477 00:31:58,413 --> 00:32:00,862 I don't believe or disbelieve much of anything, 478 00:32:00,896 --> 00:32:02,793 but I will entertain almost anything. 479 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,310 The cover of Communion 480 00:32:10,344 --> 00:32:12,793 became the de facto 481 00:32:12,827 --> 00:32:14,793 image for what an alien looked like. 482 00:32:15,586 --> 00:32:17,275 And to this day, I think it is. 483 00:32:18,517 --> 00:32:20,379 Back in the 1980s, 484 00:32:20,965 --> 00:32:23,034 there's no images. 485 00:32:23,068 --> 00:32:25,586 This is the first image 486 00:32:25,620 --> 00:32:27,413 of these faces 487 00:32:27,448 --> 00:32:29,551 that we now see all the time. 488 00:32:31,103 --> 00:32:33,724 This book cover stops people in their tracks. 489 00:32:33,758 --> 00:32:35,275 They saw this entity and said, 490 00:32:35,310 --> 00:32:36,990 "Wait, I've seen something like that, too." 491 00:32:39,068 --> 00:32:41,724 I didn't even notice the title of the book 492 00:32:41,758 --> 00:32:42,827 when I bought the book 493 00:32:42,862 --> 00:32:44,448 because all I could see was the face. 494 00:32:46,448 --> 00:32:49,551 I was frightened at first. 495 00:32:49,586 --> 00:32:52,137 All these years, I've been seeing this thing 496 00:32:52,172 --> 00:32:54,448 and having these experiences. 497 00:32:54,482 --> 00:32:56,827 And then, how could I not 498 00:32:57,310 --> 00:32:59,310 notice this face? 499 00:33:03,827 --> 00:33:04,689 And I don't mean this is a joke. 500 00:33:04,724 --> 00:33:06,000 But I want to say something. 501 00:33:06,034 --> 00:33:07,493 Well, if they come here tomorrow night, 502 00:33:07,517 --> 00:33:09,241 who's ever on this show is off? 503 00:33:09,275 --> 00:33:11,068 If your people come here tomorrow, 504 00:33:11,103 --> 00:33:13,241 - they're on, guarantee. - Oh, okay. 505 00:33:13,275 --> 00:33:15,675 Okay? -I'll tell, I'll try to communicate that. 506 00:33:16,241 --> 00:33:17,862 Please, tell them. 507 00:33:17,896 --> 00:33:19,896 Whitley's career took a real 508 00:33:19,931 --> 00:33:21,655 90 degree turn at that point. 509 00:33:23,068 --> 00:33:24,689 He was no longer a horror writer. 510 00:33:24,724 --> 00:33:26,034 He was a, uh... 511 00:33:26,862 --> 00:33:28,827 documenter of this... 512 00:33:28,862 --> 00:33:32,034 and an explorer of this phenomenon. 513 00:33:34,034 --> 00:33:35,320 What's great about Whitley 514 00:33:35,344 --> 00:33:37,137 is that he couldn't just believe, 515 00:33:37,172 --> 00:33:40,000 he wanted to have more evidence. 516 00:33:41,620 --> 00:33:44,700 Whitley, just kind of has a last minute whim. 517 00:33:44,724 --> 00:33:47,655 He put our then mail center address 518 00:33:47,689 --> 00:33:50,827 in the back of the book and invited people... 519 00:33:50,862 --> 00:33:53,137 who were having similar experiences to write. 520 00:33:54,827 --> 00:33:56,000 And we got 521 00:33:56,034 --> 00:33:59,000 hundreds of thousands of letters. 522 00:34:00,413 --> 00:34:02,068 In fact, the mail center 523 00:34:02,103 --> 00:34:03,448 finally stopped taking them. 524 00:34:03,482 --> 00:34:05,275 They made the, they made the post office 525 00:34:05,310 --> 00:34:07,275 come and deliver them directly to our apartment. 526 00:34:08,241 --> 00:34:09,620 Two or three postman would come up 527 00:34:09,655 --> 00:34:11,448 with these huge bags of mail 528 00:34:11,482 --> 00:34:13,965 and pour 'em on our living room floor. 529 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,000 And I just didn't know what to do with them. 530 00:34:16,827 --> 00:34:18,172 Annie starts opening them. 531 00:34:18,206 --> 00:34:20,286 And I said, "You can't possibly read those letters." 532 00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:22,275 And she says, "Oh, yes, I can." 533 00:34:25,103 --> 00:34:27,137 What Whitley Strieber did with Communion 534 00:34:27,172 --> 00:34:29,275 was basically make this, 535 00:34:29,310 --> 00:34:30,965 uh, accessible to everyone. 536 00:34:32,241 --> 00:34:34,941 And when people read this book by the millions, 537 00:34:34,965 --> 00:34:36,793 uh, so many others came forward 538 00:34:36,827 --> 00:34:38,034 and said, "That's me, too." 539 00:34:39,103 --> 00:34:41,034 "Dear Mr. Strieber, 540 00:34:41,068 --> 00:34:42,551 I've just finished reading Communion. 541 00:34:43,586 --> 00:34:45,724 I feel compelled to contact you 542 00:34:45,758 --> 00:34:47,241 to say thanks 543 00:34:47,275 --> 00:34:48,896 for having the courage 544 00:34:48,931 --> 00:34:50,931 to address the subject. 545 00:34:50,965 --> 00:34:52,655 Approximately 23 years ago, 546 00:34:52,689 --> 00:34:54,758 I had what I've always described 547 00:34:54,793 --> 00:34:57,551 as a UFO experience." 548 00:34:57,586 --> 00:34:58,931 So, this is another thing. 549 00:34:58,965 --> 00:35:00,689 She writes this letter and saying, 550 00:35:00,724 --> 00:35:02,137 I respect you, but also, 551 00:35:02,172 --> 00:35:04,103 look, I'm also a sane person. 552 00:35:04,137 --> 00:35:05,620 I'm a normal person. 553 00:35:05,655 --> 00:35:07,482 Uh, I have a great job. 554 00:35:07,517 --> 00:35:09,000 I have a great family. 555 00:35:09,034 --> 00:35:12,862 Uh, I, I write to you because I've had this experience. 556 00:35:15,034 --> 00:35:17,862 And one of the most common things... 557 00:35:17,896 --> 00:35:19,931 was people would write and they would say, 558 00:35:19,965 --> 00:35:21,344 I was walking by 559 00:35:21,379 --> 00:35:23,965 the window of my local book store and I saw... 560 00:35:25,137 --> 00:35:27,137 the book Communion and I saw the cover 561 00:35:27,172 --> 00:35:29,034 and I had to stop and buy the book 562 00:35:29,068 --> 00:35:31,931 'cause I had thought I was the only one 563 00:35:31,965 --> 00:35:33,793 who had ever seen that being. 564 00:35:35,034 --> 00:35:36,448 And I never told anybody, 565 00:35:36,482 --> 00:35:37,689 I never even told my husband, 566 00:35:37,724 --> 00:35:39,103 I never even told my wife. 567 00:35:55,068 --> 00:35:58,137 Lori Barnes, back in the '50s. 568 00:35:58,172 --> 00:36:00,517 Remember, this is a time before anyone 569 00:36:00,551 --> 00:36:02,241 thought about anything like this. 570 00:36:05,068 --> 00:36:07,758 She's lying in bed in her apartment in Queens. 571 00:36:07,793 --> 00:36:09,689 Her husband is on a gig. 572 00:36:09,724 --> 00:36:12,206 He's a, a pianist. 573 00:36:12,241 --> 00:36:15,206 There was no one else in the apartment, 574 00:36:15,241 --> 00:36:18,000 and I was quite pregnant. 575 00:36:19,758 --> 00:36:21,344 And I heard 576 00:36:22,034 --> 00:36:24,000 a terrible ruckus. 577 00:36:24,896 --> 00:36:27,172 And then, these three... 578 00:36:28,034 --> 00:36:29,827 little beings... 579 00:36:29,862 --> 00:36:31,275 came rushing in. 580 00:36:34,413 --> 00:36:36,172 And I was 581 00:36:36,206 --> 00:36:38,931 absolutely horrified. 582 00:36:48,724 --> 00:36:51,034 His skin was sort of gray. 583 00:36:53,896 --> 00:36:55,620 He was terribly ugly. 584 00:36:56,793 --> 00:36:59,586 He said don't be afraid, 585 00:36:59,620 --> 00:37:01,896 we're not here to harm you. 586 00:37:01,931 --> 00:37:04,517 We're only interested... 587 00:37:04,551 --> 00:37:07,931 in the little girl you're carrying. 588 00:37:10,482 --> 00:37:13,172 At that time, nobody knew this fact 589 00:37:14,034 --> 00:37:15,586 of what they were carrying. 590 00:37:18,448 --> 00:37:20,137 It puts his hand on her... 591 00:37:20,965 --> 00:37:22,931 wrist and says, 592 00:37:23,482 --> 00:37:25,172 "Why do you fear us?" 593 00:37:26,103 --> 00:37:28,965 And she says, "Because you're so ugly." 594 00:37:30,034 --> 00:37:32,793 And it then says, "My dear, 595 00:37:32,827 --> 00:37:35,689 one day you will look just like us." 596 00:37:37,827 --> 00:37:39,310 And then, 597 00:37:39,344 --> 00:37:41,000 everything went dark. 598 00:37:43,206 --> 00:37:45,241 And the next thing I knew... 599 00:37:46,620 --> 00:37:47,931 it was daylight. 600 00:37:49,931 --> 00:37:51,310 And I came to. 601 00:38:02,103 --> 00:38:03,827 I met Whitley 602 00:38:03,862 --> 00:38:06,241 because of that letter 603 00:38:06,275 --> 00:38:07,655 that I wrote to him. 604 00:38:08,551 --> 00:38:10,310 And I got a call 605 00:38:10,827 --> 00:38:12,000 from Anne... 606 00:38:12,896 --> 00:38:15,655 to become Anne's secretary 607 00:38:16,275 --> 00:38:18,275 and helped Whitley 608 00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:19,551 and Anne 609 00:38:19,586 --> 00:38:22,655 with many thousands of letters. 610 00:38:38,172 --> 00:38:41,068 This is a letter from Raven Dana 611 00:38:41,103 --> 00:38:43,896 in response to Whitley Strieber's Communion, 612 00:38:43,931 --> 00:38:46,034 dated February 20th, 1988. 613 00:38:47,068 --> 00:38:48,793 I was probably only 614 00:38:48,827 --> 00:38:50,551 30 pages or so into the book, 615 00:38:50,586 --> 00:38:52,306 and I thought, "Oh no, I need to write him." 616 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,379 Probably, four or five years old, 617 00:38:54,413 --> 00:38:56,931 are my earliest memories, uh, and... 618 00:38:56,965 --> 00:39:00,103 I had had numerous experiences growing up. 619 00:39:01,793 --> 00:39:04,448 It was just, uh, kind of a strange part of life. 620 00:39:05,517 --> 00:39:07,620 In my earliest years, 621 00:39:07,655 --> 00:39:09,793 I had experiences as a child 622 00:39:09,827 --> 00:39:12,379 of something standing at the foot of my bed. 623 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,068 And it was the classic figure that 624 00:39:16,103 --> 00:39:19,034 you would see at the, on the cover of Communion. 625 00:39:19,068 --> 00:39:21,103 And that went on for a number of years. 626 00:39:21,137 --> 00:39:23,620 And then it stopped, then faded. 627 00:39:29,448 --> 00:39:31,793 It's very close to what I saw as a child. 628 00:39:31,827 --> 00:39:33,068 The eyes were bigger, 629 00:39:33,103 --> 00:39:34,586 the skin was grayer. 630 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,275 Um, but it's very it's familiar. 631 00:39:39,310 --> 00:39:41,413 I mean, that was my, my first experience 632 00:39:41,448 --> 00:39:43,758 of looking at the books was... 633 00:39:43,793 --> 00:39:45,793 that sense of familiarity, like, 634 00:39:45,827 --> 00:39:47,413 I know that face. 635 00:39:49,241 --> 00:39:51,620 Um, and it was, you know, a little frightening. 636 00:40:00,103 --> 00:40:02,724 One of the most extraordinary letters is this. 637 00:40:05,310 --> 00:40:07,137 A woman is driving with her daughter... 638 00:40:08,310 --> 00:40:09,413 in New Mexico... 639 00:40:10,103 --> 00:40:11,103 and... 640 00:40:12,103 --> 00:40:14,793 they have an incredible experience. 641 00:40:29,862 --> 00:40:31,793 UFO was hovering above their car. 642 00:40:31,827 --> 00:40:34,862 This is textbook, this is very common. 643 00:40:34,896 --> 00:40:37,000 They're both taken up in it, very common. 644 00:40:38,862 --> 00:40:40,310 They go into a craft, 645 00:40:40,344 --> 00:40:42,724 they're taken into other rooms for a physical exam. 646 00:40:44,068 --> 00:40:45,931 These beings tell her... 647 00:40:45,965 --> 00:40:48,172 not only that... 648 00:40:48,206 --> 00:40:49,517 they're from another world, 649 00:40:49,551 --> 00:40:51,655 but also she's a member of their family. 650 00:40:55,517 --> 00:40:57,827 Then, after exams are over, 651 00:40:57,862 --> 00:40:59,010 they suddenly find themselves 652 00:40:59,034 --> 00:41:01,034 back in their car and they're missing time. 653 00:41:02,103 --> 00:41:04,344 And the little girl says to the mother, 654 00:41:05,655 --> 00:41:07,413 the little beings said they were sorry, 655 00:41:08,275 --> 00:41:10,000 but I have bugs in my body 656 00:41:10,034 --> 00:41:11,448 and they couldn't get rid of them. 657 00:41:11,482 --> 00:41:12,862 And I'm going to die soon. 658 00:41:14,655 --> 00:41:16,586 This is six or seven-year-old child. 659 00:41:18,862 --> 00:41:19,896 So, they drive home. 660 00:41:21,137 --> 00:41:23,413 And a few months later, the little girl comes down 661 00:41:23,448 --> 00:41:25,724 with incurable cancer and she does die. 662 00:41:34,896 --> 00:41:38,000 These are stories of life beyond life. 663 00:41:38,965 --> 00:41:41,344 Incredibly powerful stories... 664 00:41:42,034 --> 00:41:44,103 involving life and death. 665 00:41:46,758 --> 00:41:48,551 It's not straight science fiction. 666 00:41:48,586 --> 00:41:49,931 It's not straight UFOs. 667 00:41:49,965 --> 00:41:51,758 It's not beings from other planets. 668 00:41:51,793 --> 00:41:53,724 There's something else going on. 669 00:41:53,758 --> 00:41:57,034 And I think, if we could figure it out... 670 00:41:57,068 --> 00:42:00,172 we know a lot more about how the world really works. 671 00:42:05,206 --> 00:42:06,931 Now that Whitley's opened the door 672 00:42:06,965 --> 00:42:08,586 to everything that's gone on, 673 00:42:08,620 --> 00:42:10,241 he starts to have these memories 674 00:42:10,275 --> 00:42:12,827 from even his childhood back in Texas. 675 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,344 In my investigative work, 676 00:42:16,379 --> 00:42:18,482 I usually find when a person has had 677 00:42:18,517 --> 00:42:20,103 an abduction experience. 678 00:42:20,137 --> 00:42:21,517 When they get regressed 679 00:42:21,551 --> 00:42:22,665 or they get further interviewed, 680 00:42:22,689 --> 00:42:23,907 they realize they've had a lot of 681 00:42:23,931 --> 00:42:25,344 other weird experiences 682 00:42:25,379 --> 00:42:27,068 that they couldn't explain as a child, 683 00:42:27,103 --> 00:42:28,620 or they go back to their family 684 00:42:28,655 --> 00:42:30,275 and, and they ask, 685 00:42:30,310 --> 00:42:31,655 "Has anything happened to you?" 686 00:42:31,689 --> 00:42:34,862 And usually, 80% of the time... 687 00:42:34,896 --> 00:42:38,241 there's always some kind of generational connection 688 00:42:38,275 --> 00:42:40,758 to these otherworldly beings. 689 00:42:48,034 --> 00:42:50,413 When the book, Communion, came out, 690 00:42:50,448 --> 00:42:53,620 something really interesting that happened with Whitley's family 691 00:42:53,655 --> 00:42:56,068 was that his uncle came forward. 692 00:42:56,103 --> 00:42:57,903 He was a colonel in the Air Force at the time. 693 00:43:03,068 --> 00:43:05,862 He was present at right field 694 00:43:05,896 --> 00:43:08,758 when the debris from the Roswell incident was brought in. 695 00:43:10,172 --> 00:43:12,413 He asked me to come see him at... 696 00:43:12,448 --> 00:43:14,724 Air Force retirement place where he lived. 697 00:43:14,758 --> 00:43:17,172 Whitley's uncle would confide in Whitley 698 00:43:17,206 --> 00:43:18,862 that we were told by the general 699 00:43:18,896 --> 00:43:21,172 not to talk about the Roswell wreck. 700 00:43:21,206 --> 00:43:22,241 But he saw it 701 00:43:22,275 --> 00:43:23,620 and said, this was otherworldly. 702 00:43:23,655 --> 00:43:24,931 This is no weather balloon. 703 00:43:26,551 --> 00:43:28,044 And just forget these stories 704 00:43:28,068 --> 00:43:29,655 that it didn't happen, it did happen. 705 00:43:32,241 --> 00:43:35,000 And then he introduced me to his commanding officer, 706 00:43:35,034 --> 00:43:36,034 General Exum. 707 00:43:37,586 --> 00:43:39,172 General Exum said to me, 708 00:43:39,724 --> 00:43:40,965 and I'm quoting him, 709 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,655 "Everyone from Truman, on down, 710 00:43:42,689 --> 00:43:45,793 knew that what we had found was not of this world 711 00:43:45,827 --> 00:43:47,758 within 24 hours of our finding it." 712 00:43:47,793 --> 00:43:50,137 And there is a memo called the Twining memo, 713 00:43:51,724 --> 00:43:53,551 where General Twining describes 714 00:43:53,586 --> 00:43:56,517 the functionality of these craft. 715 00:43:56,551 --> 00:43:58,793 And it's exactly the same functionality 716 00:43:58,827 --> 00:44:01,206 that you see in the Tic Tac 717 00:44:01,241 --> 00:44:03,724 and gimbal videos. 718 00:44:03,758 --> 00:44:05,598 Look at that thing. 719 00:44:06,172 --> 00:44:07,172 It's... 720 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,724 Written years ago 721 00:44:10,931 --> 00:44:12,241 and General Twining said 722 00:44:12,275 --> 00:44:13,275 that he had... 723 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,034 not only seen the bodies, 724 00:44:16,068 --> 00:44:18,275 but had encountered 725 00:44:18,310 --> 00:44:21,241 a living... being 726 00:44:21,275 --> 00:44:23,689 that was one of these aliens, 727 00:44:23,724 --> 00:44:24,724 as he called them. 728 00:44:33,241 --> 00:44:34,758 If the uncle was there 729 00:44:34,793 --> 00:44:36,931 and he's like, things are real, 730 00:44:36,965 --> 00:44:38,482 nothing happened to the uncle. 731 00:44:38,517 --> 00:44:40,448 But the idea is now the beings 732 00:44:40,482 --> 00:44:41,793 are targeting the family. 733 00:44:59,103 --> 00:45:00,217 Anne was vehement about it. 734 00:45:00,241 --> 00:45:01,793 She wanted to continue to go, 735 00:45:01,827 --> 00:45:02,827 because she felt like, 736 00:45:03,655 --> 00:45:05,344 we needed to do this. 737 00:45:05,379 --> 00:45:06,689 We needed to, 738 00:45:06,724 --> 00:45:08,689 to, understand this as best we could. 739 00:45:10,206 --> 00:45:11,872 When Whitley's son is seven-years-old 740 00:45:11,896 --> 00:45:13,655 and on spring break, they come up here 741 00:45:13,689 --> 00:45:15,896 for a few days, which is very normal for them. 742 00:45:18,172 --> 00:45:20,275 I would go downstairs every night 743 00:45:20,310 --> 00:45:21,448 and check on him. 744 00:45:21,482 --> 00:45:23,620 I sometimes would sit outside the door 745 00:45:23,655 --> 00:45:25,034 of his room with a shotgun. 746 00:45:27,344 --> 00:45:28,379 And then one night 747 00:45:28,413 --> 00:45:29,862 at 3:00 in the morning, 748 00:45:29,896 --> 00:45:31,482 Whitley wakes up startled 749 00:45:31,517 --> 00:45:32,793 and he's panicked. 750 00:45:32,827 --> 00:45:35,103 And his first instinct is to run downstairs 751 00:45:35,137 --> 00:45:36,862 and check on his son. 752 00:45:36,896 --> 00:45:38,176 He opens the door to the bedroom 753 00:45:38,862 --> 00:45:39,862 and his son is gone. 754 00:45:41,068 --> 00:45:43,482 You can imagine the terror. 755 00:45:44,724 --> 00:45:46,000 Your son is now missing. 756 00:45:47,172 --> 00:45:48,655 Something in Whitley tells him 757 00:45:48,689 --> 00:45:50,379 to go outside to the backyard. 758 00:45:52,517 --> 00:45:54,655 And when he goes out there, he sees this craft 759 00:45:54,689 --> 00:45:56,551 just above the tree line and it's huge. 760 00:45:56,586 --> 00:45:58,379 It's, it's, filling the sky. 761 00:45:58,413 --> 00:46:00,931 And the thought occurs to him, "Oh, my God!" 762 00:46:00,965 --> 00:46:02,172 They've taken my son. 763 00:46:19,620 --> 00:46:21,217 It looked like he was in the bed at first, 764 00:46:21,241 --> 00:46:23,551 but when I went near the bed, I, I, couldn't find him. 765 00:46:24,827 --> 00:46:25,896 Then I ran outside 766 00:46:25,931 --> 00:46:28,517 and there was this huge star in the sky. 767 00:46:30,344 --> 00:46:32,000 And these two tall men 768 00:46:32,931 --> 00:46:33,931 came toward me. 769 00:46:35,241 --> 00:46:36,482 Something inside of Whitley 770 00:46:36,517 --> 00:46:37,862 tells him to go back inside, 771 00:46:37,896 --> 00:46:39,206 back into the cabin. 772 00:46:39,241 --> 00:46:41,068 And as he reaches for the doorknob, 773 00:46:41,103 --> 00:46:43,655 there's almost, like, this static charge to it. 774 00:46:43,689 --> 00:46:45,369 But he doesn't care, he's gotta get inside. 775 00:46:47,206 --> 00:46:48,689 The next thing I recall 776 00:46:49,655 --> 00:46:51,000 is being back in the house 777 00:46:51,034 --> 00:46:52,655 and finding he was there in the bed. 778 00:46:54,896 --> 00:46:56,551 You have to be relieved 779 00:46:56,586 --> 00:46:58,137 that your child is back in their bed. 780 00:46:59,862 --> 00:47:01,482 But you also have to be terrified, 781 00:47:01,517 --> 00:47:02,931 because did he get hurt? 782 00:47:02,965 --> 00:47:04,241 Did something happen to him? 783 00:47:06,275 --> 00:47:07,655 The next morning 784 00:47:07,689 --> 00:47:09,482 everything seems okay with Whitley's son. 785 00:47:09,517 --> 00:47:11,068 He seems to be acting pretty normal, 786 00:47:11,103 --> 00:47:12,931 but the discussion is strange. 787 00:47:14,586 --> 00:47:15,586 He wrote 788 00:47:16,758 --> 00:47:19,413 the most lovely little poems 789 00:47:19,448 --> 00:47:20,448 about the night. 790 00:47:23,344 --> 00:47:25,724 We wanna go out beyond the quasars 791 00:47:25,758 --> 00:47:26,827 to see what's there. 792 00:47:28,482 --> 00:47:30,448 "Reality is God's dream," he said that. 793 00:47:32,310 --> 00:47:35,206 He said he had seen this eye looking down at him 794 00:47:35,241 --> 00:47:37,034 and he had floated in the woods. 795 00:47:38,448 --> 00:47:40,103 He said, "Is it a dream, Dad?" 796 00:47:41,482 --> 00:47:44,241 Whitley, I can't, I can't imagine 797 00:47:44,275 --> 00:47:46,482 what he must have felt, like, inside, but, 798 00:47:46,517 --> 00:47:48,206 but, he just, kind of, reassured his son 799 00:47:48,241 --> 00:47:49,793 that everything was okay. 800 00:47:49,827 --> 00:47:52,034 He didn't wanna scare his own child. 801 00:47:53,827 --> 00:47:55,482 I let it go. 802 00:47:55,517 --> 00:47:57,379 We, you know, because we had decided 803 00:47:57,413 --> 00:47:58,724 that we would not 804 00:47:58,758 --> 00:48:00,379 pursue this with our son, 805 00:48:00,413 --> 00:48:02,034 because at the time, 806 00:48:02,068 --> 00:48:04,965 if my imagination was running rampant, 807 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,206 we didn't wanna infect our little boy with that. 808 00:48:15,551 --> 00:48:16,862 It's Whitley's birthday, 809 00:48:16,896 --> 00:48:19,517 and he starts to have some strange sensations, 810 00:48:19,551 --> 00:48:21,344 like, like, feeling this electric charge. 811 00:48:23,689 --> 00:48:25,862 And the electrical devices 812 00:48:25,896 --> 00:48:27,827 around him are going haywire. 813 00:48:27,862 --> 00:48:29,965 His radio is doing weird things. 814 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,000 There's strange images on his TV. 815 00:48:32,620 --> 00:48:34,206 And that's when he realizes 816 00:48:34,241 --> 00:48:35,965 this is not just at night anymore. 817 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,182 This isn't just when I'm asleep. 818 00:48:37,206 --> 00:48:38,689 This is around me all the time. 819 00:48:50,413 --> 00:48:51,596 I did think that there might be 820 00:48:51,620 --> 00:48:53,620 something weird about the area 821 00:48:53,655 --> 00:48:55,172 than I came across 822 00:48:55,206 --> 00:48:56,724 these Hudson Valley UFO sightings, 823 00:48:56,758 --> 00:48:58,206 and I realized this has all happened 824 00:48:58,241 --> 00:48:59,517 30 miles from the cabin. 825 00:49:00,689 --> 00:49:01,689 Hudson Valley 826 00:49:02,310 --> 00:49:04,448 is, is, a hotbed 827 00:49:04,482 --> 00:49:06,000 for people that have been abducted, 828 00:49:06,034 --> 00:49:07,517 for UFOs in the sky, 829 00:49:07,551 --> 00:49:09,103 for any kind of experience. 830 00:49:19,620 --> 00:49:20,689 I was driving home 831 00:49:20,724 --> 00:49:22,758 from a church social 832 00:49:22,793 --> 00:49:24,551 in the village of Brewster, 833 00:49:24,586 --> 00:49:26,586 which is about 55 miles north 834 00:49:26,620 --> 00:49:27,689 of New York City. 835 00:49:29,448 --> 00:49:31,517 And I looked up and there was lights 836 00:49:31,551 --> 00:49:33,379 just parked in the sky 837 00:49:34,241 --> 00:49:36,689 and it was quite spectacular. 838 00:49:37,482 --> 00:49:39,482 I pulled my car over 839 00:49:39,517 --> 00:49:40,620 and got out 840 00:49:40,655 --> 00:49:43,517 and, uh, right next to Interstate 84, 841 00:49:44,103 --> 00:49:45,655 the whole Interstate 842 00:49:45,689 --> 00:49:48,034 had come to a stop. 843 00:49:48,068 --> 00:49:51,241 Now, people are actually getting out of their cars 844 00:49:51,275 --> 00:49:53,379 and pointing at this object 845 00:49:53,413 --> 00:49:55,379 hanging over the Interstate. 846 00:49:56,413 --> 00:49:57,758 I looked up into the sky 847 00:49:58,517 --> 00:50:00,172 and there was... 848 00:50:00,206 --> 00:50:01,413 I don't even know what it was, 849 00:50:01,448 --> 00:50:02,724 but it was just, it was 850 00:50:02,758 --> 00:50:05,000 so ginormous 851 00:50:05,724 --> 00:50:06,862 that it was not a blimp. 852 00:50:08,068 --> 00:50:11,172 You know, some people were saying, "Oh, I saw a V." 853 00:50:11,206 --> 00:50:14,034 I saw some neighbors of, uh, an adjoining house nearby 854 00:50:14,068 --> 00:50:16,206 and I'm like, "Look up, look up, look up." 855 00:50:17,793 --> 00:50:19,206 Approximately, 856 00:50:19,241 --> 00:50:21,275 5,000 to 7,000 people 857 00:50:21,310 --> 00:50:23,000 witnessed an object 858 00:50:23,034 --> 00:50:24,413 hovering in the sky. 859 00:50:37,068 --> 00:50:39,931 So, I was coming south on 87 860 00:50:39,965 --> 00:50:42,379 and, uh, I had a flash of light 861 00:50:42,413 --> 00:50:43,758 hit me in the eyes 862 00:50:43,793 --> 00:50:44,965 while I'm driving the truck. 863 00:50:46,103 --> 00:50:48,000 It was strange, because it wasn't just 864 00:50:48,034 --> 00:50:49,689 a regular beam of light 865 00:50:49,724 --> 00:50:51,448 from a car or anything like that. 866 00:50:51,482 --> 00:50:53,379 It was a light from a long distance. 867 00:50:54,965 --> 00:50:57,344 And all of a sudden, I see out of the side in my eye 868 00:50:58,206 --> 00:50:59,206 in the sky 869 00:50:59,793 --> 00:51:00,862 was this big... 870 00:51:02,413 --> 00:51:03,413 ship. 871 00:51:06,517 --> 00:51:08,103 It was a, a, boomerang shape. 872 00:51:09,862 --> 00:51:12,482 This thing was like, uh, you know, 500 feet above me. 873 00:51:13,551 --> 00:51:14,862 It's not making a sound. 874 00:51:15,551 --> 00:51:16,551 It was, uh, it was big, 875 00:51:17,620 --> 00:51:19,103 even bigger than a 747. 876 00:51:20,206 --> 00:51:22,137 So, this was hovering over the truck 877 00:51:22,172 --> 00:51:23,413 for about five minutes 878 00:51:25,310 --> 00:51:27,000 and then disappeared. 879 00:51:27,241 --> 00:51:28,241 Gone. 880 00:51:29,620 --> 00:51:30,758 The area 881 00:51:30,793 --> 00:51:33,241 turned out to be a big UFO hotspot 882 00:51:33,275 --> 00:51:35,000 and I was right, right, in the middle of it. 883 00:51:44,620 --> 00:51:46,241 In May of 1989, 884 00:51:46,793 --> 00:51:48,448 I was lying in bed 885 00:51:48,482 --> 00:51:49,689 Anne was asleep beside me. 886 00:51:49,724 --> 00:51:51,172 It was about 11 o'clock at night 887 00:51:52,413 --> 00:51:54,620 and I heard 888 00:51:54,655 --> 00:51:57,758 the crunching of gravel in the driveway. 889 00:51:57,793 --> 00:52:00,172 Scared the dickens out of me, of course. 890 00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,000 And... 891 00:52:03,241 --> 00:52:04,689 the next thing I know, 892 00:52:04,724 --> 00:52:06,172 I can't move. 893 00:52:06,206 --> 00:52:08,000 I can't see anything. 894 00:52:09,068 --> 00:52:10,896 And there's someone pushing very hard 895 00:52:10,931 --> 00:52:12,068 on the side of my head. 896 00:52:21,034 --> 00:52:22,413 Whitley had another incident 897 00:52:22,448 --> 00:52:24,586 where he, kind of, woke up 898 00:52:24,620 --> 00:52:26,344 and got pushed down into the pillow. 899 00:52:27,551 --> 00:52:29,931 There's a pain behind his ear, 900 00:52:29,965 --> 00:52:32,172 and when he wakes up, there's blood specks 901 00:52:32,206 --> 00:52:33,448 on the pillow. 902 00:52:33,482 --> 00:52:35,448 And this is when he believes 903 00:52:35,482 --> 00:52:37,103 he was implanted 904 00:52:37,137 --> 00:52:38,620 with some device behind the ear. 905 00:52:40,344 --> 00:52:41,931 It was very scary indeed. 906 00:52:41,965 --> 00:52:44,068 And the main door 907 00:52:44,103 --> 00:52:45,896 of the garage is open, 908 00:52:45,931 --> 00:52:47,137 wide open. 909 00:52:47,172 --> 00:52:49,931 Even though the alarm system is still armed. 910 00:52:50,862 --> 00:52:52,379 Whoever got into the house 911 00:52:52,413 --> 00:52:53,413 got in that way. 912 00:52:56,344 --> 00:52:57,965 So, Whitley feels this lump 913 00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,689 behind his ear, like this, this, implant. 914 00:53:00,655 --> 00:53:02,068 I wanna take it out. 915 00:53:02,103 --> 00:53:03,896 I feel it. It bothers me. 916 00:53:03,931 --> 00:53:05,827 Sometimes my ear turns red, 917 00:53:05,862 --> 00:53:07,344 and gets hot, 918 00:53:07,379 --> 00:53:08,379 and it creeps me out. 919 00:53:08,931 --> 00:53:10,241 And I find a doctor 920 00:53:10,275 --> 00:53:12,310 who's willing to take a look at it 921 00:53:12,344 --> 00:53:13,379 not as an implant, 922 00:53:13,413 --> 00:53:14,793 I didn't tell him that. 923 00:53:14,827 --> 00:53:16,000 And he says he feels it. 924 00:53:16,034 --> 00:53:17,965 And he says, "Well, it feels like a little cyst. 925 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:19,241 I'm sure I can pull that out." 926 00:53:31,379 --> 00:53:32,827 He deadens the ear 927 00:53:33,448 --> 00:53:34,517 and opens it up. 928 00:53:56,413 --> 00:53:58,044 And he touches it with his scalpel, 929 00:53:58,068 --> 00:54:00,206 and wheesh, goes down into my earlobe 930 00:54:00,241 --> 00:54:02,275 on its own, moves on its own. 931 00:54:02,310 --> 00:54:03,793 I can see you've just raised it 932 00:54:03,827 --> 00:54:05,965 and now it's, uh, I don't see it. 933 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,758 It's like a little tiny white disk. 934 00:54:09,137 --> 00:54:11,068 So, he, sort of, pulls back. 935 00:54:11,103 --> 00:54:12,413 He knows I wrote Communion 936 00:54:12,448 --> 00:54:14,137 and now he's made the connection. 937 00:54:14,172 --> 00:54:15,965 I'm trying to take an alien implant 938 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,000 out of this guy and I'm, I'm, done here. 939 00:54:19,172 --> 00:54:20,665 At, at, some point, the doctor says, 940 00:54:20,689 --> 00:54:22,137 "I don't think I can get this out 941 00:54:22,172 --> 00:54:24,551 without mangling your ear. 942 00:54:24,586 --> 00:54:27,034 And so they stop the procedure at that point 943 00:54:27,068 --> 00:54:28,103 and Whitley comes home, 944 00:54:28,137 --> 00:54:29,896 and it's Anne who suggests, 945 00:54:29,931 --> 00:54:32,034 hey, Whitley, maybe you wanna leave this in. 946 00:54:32,068 --> 00:54:34,793 What if this is some way to communicate 947 00:54:34,827 --> 00:54:37,344 back and forth? What if this is now opening, 948 00:54:37,379 --> 00:54:38,448 uh, a two-way... 949 00:54:39,310 --> 00:54:41,241 communication with these beings, 950 00:54:41,275 --> 00:54:43,862 whereas before they had to come to you. 951 00:54:43,896 --> 00:54:45,551 Now, maybe you can call to them. 952 00:54:46,827 --> 00:54:48,310 Does that mean that the implant 953 00:54:48,344 --> 00:54:50,000 is controlling his mind? 954 00:54:50,482 --> 00:54:52,310 How he thinks? 955 00:54:52,344 --> 00:54:54,103 Uh, is it just there to monitor him? 956 00:54:54,137 --> 00:54:56,068 We don't know. But that's another thing. 957 00:54:56,103 --> 00:54:57,793 That's, kind of, terrifying. 958 00:54:59,344 --> 00:55:00,984 What is that they want? Why are they here? 959 00:55:15,344 --> 00:55:16,803 Whitley said, you know, here's the thing 960 00:55:16,827 --> 00:55:18,827 I, I, invite people sometimes 961 00:55:18,862 --> 00:55:20,758 to the cabin who have had experiences 962 00:55:20,793 --> 00:55:22,344 that we feel are incredible. 963 00:55:22,379 --> 00:55:24,793 I have a feeling that if we bring people together, 964 00:55:24,827 --> 00:55:26,896 something might happen. 965 00:55:26,931 --> 00:55:30,286 Today, folks, we're going to go back in time 966 00:55:30,310 --> 00:55:33,793 to 1989, to a little cabin 967 00:55:33,827 --> 00:55:35,689 in Upstate New York 968 00:55:35,724 --> 00:55:38,724 that most of you probably are very well aware of. 969 00:55:39,344 --> 00:55:40,655 But you may not know, 970 00:55:40,689 --> 00:55:43,068 is that there were more than one 971 00:55:43,103 --> 00:55:46,724 witness at that cabin who had close encounter experiences. 972 00:55:49,206 --> 00:55:51,344 The film crew was there and they were 973 00:55:51,379 --> 00:55:55,019 setting up cameras in hopes of seeing if anything happened. 974 00:55:55,793 --> 00:55:57,862 We chatted and we meditated 975 00:55:57,896 --> 00:55:59,456 and, you know, we went our separate ways 976 00:55:59,482 --> 00:56:00,931 into our rooms to go to bed. 977 00:56:02,068 --> 00:56:03,388 And what happened there? 978 00:56:03,965 --> 00:56:05,896 What I remember was, 979 00:56:05,931 --> 00:56:08,206 waking up feeling ah, warm. 980 00:56:08,241 --> 00:56:11,034 I was hot and I pushed the window open 981 00:56:11,068 --> 00:56:13,068 and rolled back over to go, to go to sleep. 982 00:56:14,137 --> 00:56:15,655 Just a few minutes later, 983 00:56:15,689 --> 00:56:17,551 I felt something come on the bed. 984 00:56:22,413 --> 00:56:24,655 My first experience wasn't fear. 985 00:56:24,689 --> 00:56:26,551 My first experience was, 986 00:56:26,586 --> 00:56:28,620 well, what do I do with this? 987 00:56:28,655 --> 00:56:31,931 And as I thought that the being raised a hand 988 00:56:31,965 --> 00:56:33,689 and without even thinking, 989 00:56:33,724 --> 00:56:36,413 without, without letting myself give into 990 00:56:36,448 --> 00:56:37,862 the strangeness of it, 991 00:56:37,896 --> 00:56:40,103 I reached up and touched those fingers. 992 00:56:43,137 --> 00:56:45,862 When that happened, it was a tremendous, um, 993 00:56:45,896 --> 00:56:48,655 like a surge of energy electricity current 994 00:56:48,689 --> 00:56:49,931 that ran from my, 995 00:56:49,965 --> 00:56:52,034 from the my leg up the side of my body 996 00:56:52,068 --> 00:56:55,517 and out my hand where I had touched it. 997 00:56:55,551 --> 00:56:57,310 And that's when it just, kind of, struck me, 998 00:56:57,344 --> 00:57:00,620 like, ah, I just touched the hand of something that doesn't live in this reality. 999 00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,482 You basically handed me a notebook, 1000 00:57:06,517 --> 00:57:08,458 it said, you know, write down what just happened... 1001 00:57:08,482 --> 00:57:10,079 - Yes, exactly. - which I did. 1002 00:57:10,103 --> 00:57:11,827 And I also took a picture of you. 1003 00:57:11,862 --> 00:57:14,172 - Yes. - A picture which I still have 1004 00:57:14,206 --> 00:57:16,000 a Raven Dana who was, 1005 00:57:16,034 --> 00:57:17,137 obviously having, 1006 00:57:17,965 --> 00:57:19,482 in quite a state of shock 1007 00:57:19,517 --> 00:57:20,965 and having an allergic reaction 1008 00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:22,517 you can see the swelling... 1009 00:57:22,551 --> 00:57:24,620 - Mm-hm. - all around her face. 1010 00:57:24,655 --> 00:57:25,965 I had trouble breathing. 1011 00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,965 I was wheezing, my eyes were red and glassy. 1012 00:57:29,448 --> 00:57:30,586 I didn't know, 1013 00:57:30,620 --> 00:57:32,310 that people who had experiences 1014 00:57:32,344 --> 00:57:33,896 often had allergic reactions. 1015 00:57:33,931 --> 00:57:36,655 So, again for me the important things 1016 00:57:36,689 --> 00:57:39,137 are those, those odd validations, 1017 00:57:39,172 --> 00:57:41,758 that I had this experience and I'm not the only one. 1018 00:57:43,827 --> 00:57:45,275 A film crew were all set. 1019 00:57:45,310 --> 00:57:47,510 They had the whole hallway, everything, kind of, rigged, 1020 00:57:47,931 --> 00:57:49,482 with cameras, um, 1021 00:57:49,517 --> 00:57:52,000 audio devices, hoping to capture something. 1022 00:57:52,034 --> 00:57:54,172 But, as soon as this event happened, 1023 00:57:55,206 --> 00:57:56,206 everything shut off. 1024 00:57:58,827 --> 00:58:02,068 For years, I've been trying to get this on video, 1025 00:58:02,103 --> 00:58:04,758 and I've gotten very little. 1026 00:58:04,793 --> 00:58:08,310 Nothing that you would say is definitely, 1027 00:58:08,344 --> 00:58:11,896 something strange, something non-human, 1028 00:58:11,931 --> 00:58:13,931 and whatever, for whatever reason, 1029 00:58:15,034 --> 00:58:16,655 they don't want to be on video. 1030 00:58:23,068 --> 00:58:25,241 After theexperience, 1031 00:58:25,275 --> 00:58:28,413 life at the cabin became very intense 1032 00:58:28,448 --> 00:58:30,172 for the next few years. 1033 00:58:30,206 --> 00:58:32,310 And the visitors were there all the time 1034 00:58:32,344 --> 00:58:33,931 and all kinds of things happened. 1035 00:58:41,758 --> 00:58:43,241 She says, 1036 00:58:43,275 --> 00:58:45,000 "I just saw my brother on the road." 1037 00:58:46,034 --> 00:58:47,724 And we were all very surprised 1038 00:58:47,758 --> 00:58:50,103 because her brother had disappeared 20 years before 1039 00:58:50,137 --> 00:58:52,379 and then the FBI had eventually declared him dead. 1040 00:58:54,103 --> 00:58:57,517 He was a very dear soul, 1041 00:58:57,551 --> 00:58:59,896 but he had, had a very tough life 1042 00:59:00,793 --> 00:59:02,793 and had turned to drugs 1043 00:59:02,827 --> 00:59:04,586 and alcohol. 1044 00:59:04,620 --> 00:59:07,965 And then he dropped from the face of the earth. 1045 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,413 But he was there, 1046 00:59:09,965 --> 00:59:11,793 by your little shed. 1047 00:59:13,034 --> 00:59:16,068 I said "Shaun, look you, what are you doing here?" 1048 00:59:17,379 --> 00:59:18,724 And he said, 1049 00:59:18,758 --> 00:59:21,620 "I came to tell you I'm fine. 1050 00:59:21,655 --> 00:59:23,241 Don't worry about me." 1051 00:59:24,482 --> 00:59:25,827 And he says that, 1052 00:59:26,896 --> 00:59:28,827 "You're in the right place." 1053 00:59:30,655 --> 00:59:33,275 And then he just drifted back into the woods 1054 00:59:33,310 --> 00:59:35,137 and disappeared before her eyes. 1055 00:59:35,896 --> 00:59:37,379 And when Anne heard that story, 1056 00:59:37,413 --> 00:59:39,103 she said privately to me, 1057 00:59:39,137 --> 00:59:41,551 "The visitors will be here tonight." 1058 00:59:41,586 --> 00:59:44,827 Because she knew of the connection between the visitors and the dead. 1059 00:59:47,241 --> 00:59:50,034 So, this cabin has become something bigger. 1060 00:59:50,827 --> 00:59:52,758 Some sort of portal. 1061 00:59:58,034 --> 01:00:00,758 This was truly at the edge of the world, 1062 01:00:00,793 --> 01:00:04,068 at that time, that cabin and what was happening there. 1063 01:00:04,103 --> 01:00:07,551 These are all people who were having experiences at the cabin, 1064 01:00:07,586 --> 01:00:09,379 essentially anyone came up there, 1065 01:00:09,413 --> 01:00:10,965 they would have these experiences. 1066 01:00:12,586 --> 01:00:14,551 Could the cabin, could this location 1067 01:00:15,068 --> 01:00:16,068 be a portal? 1068 01:00:17,103 --> 01:00:18,724 Is there something unique 1069 01:00:18,758 --> 01:00:20,379 about the ground, the soil, 1070 01:00:20,827 --> 01:00:21,827 the place, 1071 01:00:23,275 --> 01:00:26,241 that allows for visitors to come through? 1072 01:00:37,931 --> 01:00:39,206 This is the circle. 1073 01:00:39,241 --> 01:00:40,655 This is the place where 1074 01:00:41,344 --> 01:00:42,413 I thought it happened. 1075 01:00:43,448 --> 01:00:45,551 I had those stones put in there... 1076 01:00:46,172 --> 01:00:47,551 to mark it. 1077 01:00:47,586 --> 01:00:50,103 This is where it happened, deep in this woods. 1078 01:00:51,103 --> 01:00:53,482 This was a very special spot for him. 1079 01:00:53,517 --> 01:00:56,482 This was a place where he connected with the visitors 1080 01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,068 up in their ship, 1081 01:00:59,103 --> 01:01:00,137 if you will. 1082 01:01:01,517 --> 01:01:03,310 There's something unknown here. 1083 01:01:03,344 --> 01:01:06,551 It's very provocative and it needs study. 1084 01:01:07,586 --> 01:01:09,310 You wanna find out how this works? 1085 01:01:10,172 --> 01:01:12,137 What it's there for? 1086 01:01:12,172 --> 01:01:14,551 If we do find out the truth about it, 1087 01:01:14,586 --> 01:01:17,482 that's the first step toward getting in control 1088 01:01:17,517 --> 01:01:19,862 of whatever it is that's doing this. 1089 01:01:31,172 --> 01:01:33,551 With all Whitley's success with Communion, 1090 01:01:33,586 --> 01:01:36,655 there comes a point where he just can't sell any books. 1091 01:01:37,482 --> 01:01:38,965 He's kind of, 1092 01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:40,517 in a way blacklisted, 1093 01:01:40,551 --> 01:01:42,631 from some of the publishers that he was dealing with, 1094 01:01:42,655 --> 01:01:44,724 and he has to sell the cabin. 1095 01:01:46,103 --> 01:01:48,655 The loss of that cabin was a devastating blow. 1096 01:01:58,551 --> 01:02:00,689 When I left, they'd left with me. 1097 01:02:01,655 --> 01:02:03,275 They followed me and Anne to Texas. 1098 01:02:08,586 --> 01:02:10,517 They would wake me up every night, 1099 01:02:10,551 --> 01:02:11,896 touch my cheeks, 1100 01:02:12,517 --> 01:02:13,620 hit my head, 1101 01:02:13,655 --> 01:02:16,275 make a school bell sound in the living room. 1102 01:02:17,758 --> 01:02:20,172 But then it quieted down. 1103 01:02:20,206 --> 01:02:22,275 Then I hadn't seen them for a long time. 1104 01:02:24,724 --> 01:02:26,586 Then everything changed immediately. 1105 01:02:38,379 --> 01:02:39,758 She passes away, 1106 01:02:40,551 --> 01:02:45,241 on August the 11th, 2015 1107 01:02:45,275 --> 01:02:46,862 at 7:15 in the evening. 1108 01:02:51,965 --> 01:02:55,896 Within an hour and a half of Anne dying, 1109 01:02:55,931 --> 01:02:58,344 Whitley gets a phone call from a friend, 1110 01:02:59,034 --> 01:03:01,103 who said, "I don't know why, 1111 01:03:01,137 --> 01:03:03,275 I just heard Anne's voice in my head 1112 01:03:03,310 --> 01:03:04,586 saying to call you Whitley. 1113 01:03:05,172 --> 01:03:06,172 Is she okay?" 1114 01:03:06,931 --> 01:03:08,137 And Whitley said, 1115 01:03:08,172 --> 01:03:10,482 "No, she's not okay, she just passed away." 1116 01:03:12,172 --> 01:03:13,793 Finally, I realize, 1117 01:03:14,758 --> 01:03:16,655 I remember the conversation 1118 01:03:16,689 --> 01:03:18,344 from so many years before. 1119 01:03:19,275 --> 01:03:20,827 Anne said to me, 1120 01:03:20,862 --> 01:03:22,620 "If I die, 1121 01:03:22,655 --> 01:03:25,758 I'm gonna come back to friends and I'm gonna tell them, 1122 01:03:25,793 --> 01:03:27,275 to get in touch with you. 1123 01:03:27,310 --> 01:03:28,793 And you do the same for me." 1124 01:03:30,862 --> 01:03:32,137 And I thought, "Oh, my God." 1125 01:03:33,275 --> 01:03:35,000 She's doing it. 1126 01:03:35,931 --> 01:03:38,586 She's doing it, from the other side. 1127 01:03:46,206 --> 01:03:47,482 The previous, 1128 01:03:48,137 --> 01:03:50,068 January she started 1129 01:03:50,103 --> 01:03:53,517 making me, um, a memorize a poem 1130 01:03:53,551 --> 01:03:56,241 called The Song of Wandering Aengus, 1131 01:03:56,275 --> 01:03:58,965 by W.B. Yeats and I didn't know why, 1132 01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:00,517 but she was very insistent. 1133 01:04:01,103 --> 01:04:02,896 And it goes like this. 1134 01:04:02,931 --> 01:04:05,344 "When white moths were on the wing 1135 01:04:05,379 --> 01:04:08,482 and the moth like stars were flickering out. 1136 01:04:08,517 --> 01:04:10,793 I dropped the berry in a stream 1137 01:04:10,827 --> 01:04:13,068 and caught a little silver trout." 1138 01:04:14,241 --> 01:04:15,655 Right after she passed away 1139 01:04:15,689 --> 01:04:17,827 just a moth kept coming up everywhere. 1140 01:04:19,034 --> 01:04:20,551 I was in a conference, 1141 01:04:20,586 --> 01:04:23,482 all windows are closed, it's February, it's cold. 1142 01:04:23,517 --> 01:04:25,896 And suddenly the white moth appears 1143 01:04:25,931 --> 01:04:27,896 and starts flying around the room. 1144 01:04:27,931 --> 01:04:29,241 Then I got a picture of it. 1145 01:04:31,034 --> 01:04:34,655 Whenever I left the house and was talking about her, 1146 01:04:34,689 --> 01:04:38,103 the alarm system, cameras would signal 1147 01:04:38,137 --> 01:04:41,758 something and there would be this moth flying around in front of the camera. 1148 01:04:44,068 --> 01:04:46,655 And I thought my God, 1149 01:04:46,689 --> 01:04:51,413 my wife has created a physical avatar 1150 01:04:51,448 --> 01:04:53,896 to signal her presence, 1151 01:04:53,931 --> 01:04:55,241 in the afterlife. 1152 01:05:21,137 --> 01:05:22,586 - Hey, Anthony. - Guys, welcome. 1153 01:05:22,620 --> 01:05:23,838 - Nice to see you. - Nice to see you. 1154 01:05:23,862 --> 01:05:25,965 - Nice for coming here. - Yeah, thank you. 1155 01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,275 My name is Anthony, I'm the owner of the cabin. 1156 01:05:28,310 --> 01:05:30,068 We bought the cabin three years ago 1157 01:05:30,103 --> 01:05:31,758 in 2018. 1158 01:05:31,793 --> 01:05:33,413 We didn't really know too much about it 1159 01:05:33,448 --> 01:05:34,976 until we were walking through and then they had 1160 01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:38,000 mentioned that this belonged to a Whitley Strieber. 1161 01:05:38,034 --> 01:05:40,413 I read the story back in '87 when I was a kid. 1162 01:05:41,310 --> 01:05:42,448 It's always fascinated me, 1163 01:05:42,482 --> 01:05:44,758 so, I felt a real strong connection to the house. 1164 01:05:48,275 --> 01:05:50,137 I do believe that the property is a vortex. 1165 01:05:52,793 --> 01:05:55,758 I want to check out that circle. 1166 01:05:56,379 --> 01:05:57,517 Why this spot? 1167 01:05:57,551 --> 01:05:59,862 Is this spot special? 1168 01:05:59,896 --> 01:06:03,137 In that it has some kind of property 1169 01:06:03,172 --> 01:06:07,034 that allows for you to actually connect with the visitors? 1170 01:06:07,068 --> 01:06:10,206 I'm here because of what happened to Whitley. 1171 01:06:10,241 --> 01:06:12,827 I'm here because I get to walk 1172 01:06:12,862 --> 01:06:14,827 into the legend and become part of the story. 1173 01:06:15,862 --> 01:06:17,379 When you have an experience like that, 1174 01:06:17,413 --> 01:06:18,758 it's just such validation 1175 01:06:18,793 --> 01:06:19,965 for those big questions. 1176 01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:21,103 We're not alone. 1177 01:06:21,137 --> 01:06:22,896 There's something more to all of this. 1178 01:06:23,482 --> 01:06:24,965 And I have proof, 1179 01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:26,620 even if that proof is just my own. 1180 01:06:28,137 --> 01:06:29,862 The circle is really important. 1181 01:06:29,896 --> 01:06:33,482 So, my thought process is if there's gonna be any energy that's unusual, 1182 01:06:33,517 --> 01:06:34,827 it's gonna be at the circle 1183 01:06:34,862 --> 01:06:36,586 where people have put their intentions 1184 01:06:36,620 --> 01:06:38,310 into meeting the visitors, 1185 01:06:38,344 --> 01:06:40,482 and there could be some kind of anomaly. 1186 01:06:43,586 --> 01:06:45,734 - I'm sure it's a little bit easier for you to see. - Okay. 1187 01:06:45,758 --> 01:06:46,907 The owner of the property 1188 01:06:46,931 --> 01:06:49,551 has been searching for the answer himself. 1189 01:06:49,586 --> 01:06:51,965 Anthony seems to know a lot about the property 1190 01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:53,655 and specifically Whitley. 1191 01:06:53,689 --> 01:06:56,310 And then in the back here is, is the creek. 1192 01:06:56,344 --> 01:06:58,172 He has extensive maps 1193 01:06:58,206 --> 01:06:59,517 to find circle. 1194 01:06:59,551 --> 01:07:00,665 It's in a bit of a dip. 1195 01:07:00,689 --> 01:07:02,044 Yeah, you'll see the meadow. 1196 01:07:02,068 --> 01:07:03,527 And Whitley talks about that in the book 1197 01:07:03,551 --> 01:07:05,310 about how it's at the edge of the meadow. 1198 01:07:05,344 --> 01:07:07,769 So, we should be able to get out there in less than an hour. 1199 01:07:07,793 --> 01:07:08,793 Yep. 1200 01:07:11,206 --> 01:07:13,517 I've noticed since we've been here just how quiet is. 1201 01:07:13,551 --> 01:07:15,689 I haven't even heard planes flying overhead. 1202 01:07:15,724 --> 01:07:17,758 Um, just what a remote area. 1203 01:07:17,793 --> 01:07:20,517 But that's also a little frightening for some people. 1204 01:07:20,551 --> 01:07:22,793 - Right, the idea of being that isolated. - Definitely. 1205 01:07:23,896 --> 01:07:25,793 Whitley had a lot of security in place. 1206 01:07:25,827 --> 01:07:28,793 He really wanted to keep the spot very protected and quiet. 1207 01:07:28,827 --> 01:07:30,689 And security is a big thing for him. 1208 01:07:30,724 --> 01:07:33,275 I think that he wanted to control the situation 1209 01:07:33,310 --> 01:07:36,068 with the visitors to protect his family from that 1210 01:07:36,103 --> 01:07:39,458 and kind of isolate it just to himself as much as control. 1211 01:07:39,482 --> 01:07:42,068 Have you reached out to Whitley Strieber? 1212 01:07:42,103 --> 01:07:44,517 I did reach out to Whitley and, and he wasn't interested. 1213 01:07:44,551 --> 01:07:46,344 He said it was just too painful to come out. 1214 01:07:46,379 --> 01:07:48,413 You know, after hearing some of the tapes 1215 01:07:48,448 --> 01:07:50,413 of his hypnosis sessions. 1216 01:07:50,448 --> 01:07:53,344 When you hear the horror, the terror in his voice. 1217 01:07:58,310 --> 01:08:00,344 I guess, I can't say I totally blame him. 1218 01:08:00,379 --> 01:08:03,310 Yeah, Whitley did say that they opened portals to other worlds 1219 01:08:03,344 --> 01:08:04,413 when he was here. 1220 01:08:04,448 --> 01:08:06,103 To have a person where it happened, 1221 01:08:06,137 --> 01:08:08,034 in the place that it happened. 1222 01:08:08,068 --> 01:08:11,068 You just wonder if that, you know, reconnects things. 1223 01:08:11,103 --> 01:08:12,703 - I can't help but wonder that. - Me too. 1224 01:08:17,344 --> 01:08:19,068 This brings up a bigger point. 1225 01:08:19,103 --> 01:08:22,413 Is the encounter with the visitors about the place, 1226 01:08:22,448 --> 01:08:25,793 about the cabin, about the location of the cabin 1227 01:08:25,827 --> 01:08:27,586 or does it have to do with Whitley? 1228 01:08:29,344 --> 01:08:32,482 I'm really excited to stand where it happened. 1229 01:08:32,517 --> 01:08:34,965 It's one thing to read someone else's experience. 1230 01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,482 It's quite another to stand there yourself. 1231 01:08:37,517 --> 01:08:39,034 I can't help it, I'm gonna look up. 1232 01:08:39,068 --> 01:08:42,344 I can't help it, I'm gonna see if I feel anything with my body. 1233 01:08:42,379 --> 01:08:45,344 I mean, what would happen if it actually did happen to me? 1234 01:08:45,379 --> 01:08:46,413 We could be next. 1235 01:08:52,827 --> 01:08:57,517 I don't think it's too far, but the circle's just down around the trail I think. 1236 01:08:57,551 --> 01:08:58,769 It's pretty remote, huh. 1237 01:08:58,793 --> 01:08:59,931 Yeah, we're out here 1238 01:08:59,965 --> 01:09:01,034 in the middle of nowhere. 1239 01:09:01,655 --> 01:09:03,551 It's cold, it's muddy. 1240 01:09:03,586 --> 01:09:05,586 Uh, it's gonna be rough terrain getting out there. 1241 01:09:07,413 --> 01:09:08,586 I brought the gear for it, 1242 01:09:08,620 --> 01:09:10,724 and I'm just excited to do our experiments... 1243 01:09:10,758 --> 01:09:12,517 around this incredible site. 1244 01:09:18,137 --> 01:09:20,251 So, I know, Whitley talked about in some of his interviews, 1245 01:09:20,275 --> 01:09:22,137 how this was where he would come to meditate 1246 01:09:22,172 --> 01:09:23,332 - and he'd bring others. - Oh. 1247 01:09:29,241 --> 01:09:30,241 So, this is it. 1248 01:09:32,827 --> 01:09:33,827 Stone circle. 1249 01:09:49,310 --> 01:09:51,931 To think that one of the most profound UFO encounters happened 1250 01:09:51,965 --> 01:09:52,965 right around here. 1251 01:09:54,206 --> 01:09:55,758 Oh, look, there's these longer stones, 1252 01:09:55,793 --> 01:09:57,275 are these cardinal points? 1253 01:09:57,310 --> 01:09:58,655 So, I know that's west. 1254 01:09:58,689 --> 01:10:00,241 That's where the sun sets. 1255 01:10:00,275 --> 01:10:01,689 So, that would be north. 1256 01:10:03,310 --> 01:10:05,241 Did they actually activate the location? 1257 01:10:06,206 --> 01:10:07,655 I think it could be interesting, 1258 01:10:07,689 --> 01:10:10,103 is that we can take the rem-pods out of my backpack... 1259 01:10:10,137 --> 01:10:12,241 - Mm-hmm. - And just test the perimeter. 1260 01:10:12,275 --> 01:10:14,827 - Sure. - And see if there's any anomalies that come on. 1261 01:10:19,689 --> 01:10:21,758 Rem-pods are devices 1262 01:10:21,793 --> 01:10:25,758 that are able to detect any change in electromagnetic energy. 1263 01:10:25,793 --> 01:10:27,137 The thought process is 1264 01:10:27,172 --> 01:10:29,931 if this was the place of contact, 1265 01:10:29,965 --> 01:10:31,793 if this was the place that, 1266 01:10:31,827 --> 01:10:34,976 that something came down and took Whitley up into the sky, 1267 01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:38,482 that the actual circle might be activated. 1268 01:10:38,517 --> 01:10:40,206 So, the various colors that go off 1269 01:10:40,241 --> 01:10:44,310 tell you how, how close something might be to this device 1270 01:10:44,344 --> 01:10:46,379 or how strong the field may be. 1271 01:10:46,413 --> 01:10:50,103 Uh, the closer you are, the louder it gets, the more it lights up. 1272 01:10:50,137 --> 01:10:51,976 - Yup. Make sure the antenna is up. - Towards the inside. 1273 01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:53,310 Yeah. 1274 01:10:53,344 --> 01:10:57,413 We've created a perimeter, surrounded that with the rem-pods. 1275 01:10:57,448 --> 01:10:59,527 We did it at each of the cardinal four points, 1276 01:10:59,551 --> 01:11:01,172 north, south, east and west. 1277 01:11:01,206 --> 01:11:02,596 They do not just sit there, 1278 01:11:02,620 --> 01:11:04,527 - they do not communicate with each other. - Nope. 1279 01:11:04,551 --> 01:11:06,251 - And they are not connected. - One does not go off, 1280 01:11:06,275 --> 01:11:07,551 because the other one goes off. 1281 01:11:07,586 --> 01:11:10,172 Once you set 'em up and you get 'em in place, 1282 01:11:10,206 --> 01:11:11,620 the idea is you leave 'em alone, 1283 01:11:11,655 --> 01:11:13,310 and see if they start to act. 1284 01:11:13,827 --> 01:11:14,931 Last one. 1285 01:11:16,413 --> 01:11:18,689 - All right. Now, we sit and wait. - All right. 1286 01:11:18,724 --> 01:11:19,724 All right. 1287 01:11:31,724 --> 01:11:32,872 Huh, did you see that? 1288 01:11:32,896 --> 01:11:33,896 Yeah. 1289 01:11:34,758 --> 01:11:36,241 And by the way, we're not moving. 1290 01:11:36,275 --> 01:11:37,435 That was really weird. 1291 01:11:40,862 --> 01:11:42,379 Oh, I hear one. 1292 01:11:42,413 --> 01:11:43,413 It's this one. 1293 01:11:44,517 --> 01:11:45,517 Oh. 1294 01:11:47,068 --> 01:11:48,862 That's strange. 1295 01:11:48,896 --> 01:11:50,336 - It's reacting to something. - Yeah. 1296 01:11:51,206 --> 01:11:52,551 South and east went off. 1297 01:11:52,586 --> 01:11:53,872 - This one's on fire. - Look. 1298 01:11:53,896 --> 01:11:56,241 Two are going off, north and east. 1299 01:11:56,275 --> 01:11:57,700 - Huh, that's one going off. - All four of them 1300 01:11:57,724 --> 01:11:59,044 - are going off. - All four of them are going off. 1301 01:11:59,068 --> 01:12:00,137 Holy cow! 1302 01:12:01,137 --> 01:12:03,068 Right after we had all four set up, 1303 01:12:03,103 --> 01:12:04,827 they all went off at the same time. 1304 01:12:04,862 --> 01:12:06,586 These things don't talk to each other. 1305 01:12:06,620 --> 01:12:07,724 They're each on their own, 1306 01:12:07,758 --> 01:12:09,379 they're not connected in any way. 1307 01:12:09,413 --> 01:12:12,034 And for all of them to go off at the same exact time is weird. 1308 01:12:13,448 --> 01:12:15,827 It's always one, two, couple over here, 1309 01:12:15,862 --> 01:12:18,379 but all four at the same time going off. 1310 01:12:18,413 --> 01:12:19,965 And, and again, 1311 01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:21,724 I have to remind you, we're in a circle. 1312 01:12:21,758 --> 01:12:25,034 A circle that people have been activating for years. 1313 01:12:25,551 --> 01:12:26,551 Huh... 1314 01:12:27,103 --> 01:12:28,103 they all stopped. 1315 01:12:28,551 --> 01:12:29,620 Did you see that? 1316 01:12:36,724 --> 01:12:37,838 What? Do you hear that? 1317 01:12:37,862 --> 01:12:39,382 Yes, it's definitely reading something. 1318 01:12:42,413 --> 01:12:43,773 I just wanna get a recording of it. 1319 01:12:44,965 --> 01:12:46,217 Do you think it's like a Morse code? 1320 01:12:46,241 --> 01:12:48,620 I don't know, but it's some pattern. 1321 01:12:48,655 --> 01:12:50,689 I've never seen one of these rem-pods 1322 01:12:50,724 --> 01:12:52,586 make this particular sound. 1323 01:12:52,620 --> 01:12:53,965 I mean, it squeaks, it beeps, 1324 01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:56,586 but this was like tones and spaces. 1325 01:12:59,413 --> 01:13:01,310 This is really strange. 1326 01:13:01,344 --> 01:13:03,034 Whether this is a portal 1327 01:13:03,068 --> 01:13:04,793 or the conduit is Whitley himself, 1328 01:13:04,827 --> 01:13:05,827 or maybe it's both. 1329 01:13:06,586 --> 01:13:07,724 There's definitely something 1330 01:13:07,758 --> 01:13:09,275 trying to communicate with humans. 1331 01:13:20,034 --> 01:13:22,172 I am in my office... 1332 01:13:22,206 --> 01:13:24,344 in Santa Monica, California, 1333 01:13:24,379 --> 01:13:26,448 where I produce my podcast, 1334 01:13:26,482 --> 01:13:27,724 Dreamland, every week. 1335 01:13:29,206 --> 01:13:32,862 These are two little BaoFeng radios. 1336 01:13:32,896 --> 01:13:35,896 There is a frequency, 144.1 1337 01:13:36,793 --> 01:13:39,827 that is not in much use. 1338 01:13:39,862 --> 01:13:41,862 It's mostly a silent frequency. 1339 01:13:41,896 --> 01:13:44,965 If you turn one of these radios on, on that frequency, 1340 01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:46,482 generally, you won't hear anything. 1341 01:13:48,862 --> 01:13:50,655 Okay. Let's see what happens. 1342 01:13:58,344 --> 01:14:01,000 It's reacting to the presence of my implant. 1343 01:14:07,827 --> 01:14:09,079 I think it's like a Morse code. 1344 01:14:09,103 --> 01:14:11,172 I don't know, but it's some pattern. 1345 01:14:13,379 --> 01:14:16,586 This isn't Morse code. I've had this tested many times. 1346 01:14:16,620 --> 01:14:19,206 And then, this is not a... it's not a known code. 1347 01:14:19,241 --> 01:14:21,517 Not a, not a publicly known code. 1348 01:14:37,758 --> 01:14:40,758 I'm putting the pain behind me, 1349 01:14:40,793 --> 01:14:43,620 because it was a really remarkable thing. 1350 01:14:43,655 --> 01:14:46,517 We were stitching two worlds together at that cabin. 1351 01:15:02,413 --> 01:15:04,931 They will wake me up in many different ways. 1352 01:15:04,965 --> 01:15:06,344 But for the first time, 1353 01:15:06,793 --> 01:15:08,241 the method chosen 1354 01:15:08,275 --> 01:15:09,689 was to push my phone 1355 01:15:09,724 --> 01:15:11,379 off of the table beside the bed. 1356 01:15:13,655 --> 01:15:17,758 And I heard the noise, of course, and jumped right up, 1357 01:15:17,793 --> 01:15:19,965 and there was nothing that would have caused the phone 1358 01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:22,862 to where it would just fall on its own all of a sudden. 1359 01:15:30,793 --> 01:15:33,620 I was thinking about this. 1360 01:15:35,482 --> 01:15:36,551 Should I do this? 1361 01:15:38,586 --> 01:15:41,586 I heard Anne's voice telling me, "Of course, you should." 1362 01:15:44,103 --> 01:15:45,103 And... 1363 01:15:46,931 --> 01:15:47,931 so I am. 1364 01:15:55,448 --> 01:15:58,068 I viewed the loss of the cabin at the time 1365 01:15:58,103 --> 01:15:59,931 as a catastrophe, 1366 01:15:59,965 --> 01:16:02,965 because of what we had developed there, 1367 01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:05,896 in terms of a relationship with the visitors, 1368 01:16:05,931 --> 01:16:08,793 and also our life and our happiness. 1369 01:16:08,827 --> 01:16:10,758 And we'd raised our child there 1370 01:16:10,793 --> 01:16:13,310 and losing that was really difficult. 1371 01:16:14,172 --> 01:16:16,275 I never wanted to go back again, 1372 01:16:17,310 --> 01:16:18,310 but... 1373 01:16:20,103 --> 01:16:21,413 I'm going to, 1374 01:16:22,482 --> 01:16:24,517 I'm going to face the cabin again 1375 01:16:25,310 --> 01:16:26,482 one last time. 1376 01:16:34,827 --> 01:16:36,896 I guess the last time I drove this road 1377 01:16:36,931 --> 01:16:38,931 was a couple of days before we left. 1378 01:16:41,034 --> 01:16:42,413 And... 1379 01:16:42,448 --> 01:16:44,137 I thought, I would never come back again. 1380 01:16:47,448 --> 01:16:48,448 But I'm here. 1381 01:16:50,344 --> 01:16:52,103 And I'm here to close this. 1382 01:16:53,655 --> 01:16:55,413 I'm here to end the story, 1383 01:16:55,448 --> 01:16:57,000 of the Whitley of those days. 1384 01:16:58,448 --> 01:16:59,517 We're just about... 1385 01:17:00,137 --> 01:17:01,241 just about there. 1386 01:17:01,931 --> 01:17:02,931 Oh, boy. 1387 01:17:03,931 --> 01:17:05,482 I am feeling this boy. 1388 01:17:07,379 --> 01:17:08,379 It's a... 1389 01:17:09,448 --> 01:17:12,827 a very complex experience, emotionally. 1390 01:17:13,896 --> 01:17:15,310 Beautiful and hard, 1391 01:17:16,413 --> 01:17:18,965 sweet and extremely sad, 1392 01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:20,482 all mixed up into one. 1393 01:17:25,068 --> 01:17:27,310 Thirty five years beyond Communion, 1394 01:17:28,068 --> 01:17:29,551 I am having 1395 01:17:29,586 --> 01:17:32,482 what is really the experience of a lifetime with this. 1396 01:17:33,241 --> 01:17:34,241 It started out... 1397 01:17:35,344 --> 01:17:37,310 like a journey through the depths of hell. 1398 01:17:38,275 --> 01:17:40,931 But now, it is at the edge of heaven. 1399 01:17:45,379 --> 01:17:46,379 Hello, Whitley. 1400 01:17:46,931 --> 01:17:48,379 Anthony. 1401 01:17:48,413 --> 01:17:50,172 - Anthony. - Anthony. My wife Azila. 1402 01:17:50,206 --> 01:17:51,241 -Hi. -Hi, welcome back. 1403 01:17:52,275 --> 01:17:53,931 Thank you for... 1404 01:17:53,965 --> 01:17:56,620 - letting me back in my home and your home. - Of course. 1405 01:17:56,655 --> 01:17:58,034 - Come on in. - Thank you. 1406 01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:00,206 I've been putting it off. 1407 01:18:00,241 --> 01:18:01,896 I never intended to come back at all. 1408 01:18:02,586 --> 01:18:03,620 It was too hard. 1409 01:18:04,655 --> 01:18:05,931 But now I have done it. 1410 01:18:06,965 --> 01:18:08,206 And, um... 1411 01:18:09,517 --> 01:18:10,557 I'm glad, I'm doing it. 1412 01:18:11,137 --> 01:18:12,241 I'm glad, I'm doing it. 1413 01:18:24,517 --> 01:18:26,793 If something happens, something happens. 1414 01:18:28,793 --> 01:18:30,310 But you know, 1415 01:18:30,344 --> 01:18:32,137 it's not about the place, 1416 01:18:32,172 --> 01:18:34,724 it's about the person it's about people. 1417 01:18:34,758 --> 01:18:38,379 Because the experience followed me when I left here. 1418 01:18:38,413 --> 01:18:40,931 Uh, big time, actually. Really did follow me. 1419 01:18:43,724 --> 01:18:45,482 The Whitley who lived here... 1420 01:18:46,620 --> 01:18:49,551 is lying in that bed right now. 1421 01:18:49,586 --> 01:18:50,931 And when I get up in the morning, 1422 01:18:50,965 --> 01:18:52,413 that Whitley is gonna stay here, 1423 01:18:52,448 --> 01:18:53,448 and when I leave here, 1424 01:18:53,965 --> 01:18:55,206 that Whitley, 1425 01:18:55,241 --> 01:18:58,482 that story is gonna stay in this house, 1426 01:18:58,517 --> 01:19:01,206 and will be in this house as long as this house is here. 1427 01:20:56,103 --> 01:20:58,413 I don't think that they're necessarily... 1428 01:20:58,448 --> 01:21:00,827 here for bad reasons. 1429 01:21:00,862 --> 01:21:03,517 I think they definitely are interested in our survival. 1430 01:21:04,827 --> 01:21:07,448 I am not the only close encounter witness 1431 01:21:07,482 --> 01:21:08,862 who has this message, 1432 01:21:08,896 --> 01:21:11,517 that the planet is in danger. 1433 01:21:11,551 --> 01:21:13,103 It's almost universal 1434 01:21:13,137 --> 01:21:15,689 among the people in the experience. 1435 01:21:15,724 --> 01:21:17,827 And what's the core of that message? 1436 01:21:17,862 --> 01:21:19,655 Human survival. 1437 01:21:19,689 --> 01:21:22,137 So therefore, their message is they want us to survive. 1438 01:21:26,413 --> 01:21:28,000 I never thought I would see this again. 1439 01:21:29,482 --> 01:21:30,517 I'm glad I came back. 1440 01:21:32,310 --> 01:21:33,379 A few minutes ago, 1441 01:21:34,241 --> 01:21:37,172 I felt from deep within myself, 1442 01:21:38,482 --> 01:21:40,551 an upwelling... 1443 01:21:40,586 --> 01:21:43,666 of an emotion I have not felt in a long time. 1444 01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:53,310 That's what happened. 1445 01:21:56,241 --> 01:22:00,137 We can't forget one little detail here, 1446 01:22:00,172 --> 01:22:03,275 and that is what was said to Lori Barnes. 1447 01:22:03,310 --> 01:22:07,000 "One day you will look just like us." 1448 01:22:07,034 --> 01:22:10,586 Do we know what the human species really is? 1449 01:22:11,931 --> 01:22:15,034 Look at butterflies and caterpillars. 1450 01:22:15,068 --> 01:22:17,344 How could you ever convince a butterfly, 1451 01:22:17,379 --> 01:22:18,896 that it had been a caterpillar, 1452 01:22:18,931 --> 01:22:21,068 or a caterpillar that it would become a butterfly? 1453 01:22:24,275 --> 01:22:25,586 Communion is about... 1454 01:22:26,793 --> 01:22:29,758 opening the door in the human heart, 1455 01:22:29,793 --> 01:22:30,965 and in the human mind. 1456 01:22:32,137 --> 01:22:34,206 You are not what you think, 1457 01:22:34,241 --> 01:22:36,586 you are not a body that will die, 1458 01:22:36,620 --> 01:22:37,896 and disappear. 1459 01:22:38,931 --> 01:22:41,344 Uselessly, pointlessly, 1460 01:22:41,379 --> 01:22:43,724 after all the billions of years, 1461 01:22:43,758 --> 01:22:46,517 your planet has put into creating you, 1462 01:22:46,551 --> 01:22:49,206 don't imagine that for one moment. 1463 01:22:50,724 --> 01:22:51,758 Let that go. 1464 01:22:53,965 --> 01:22:54,965 Let it go. 1465 01:22:59,103 --> 01:23:04,689 It was an extraordinary experience, theexperience. 1466 01:23:04,724 --> 01:23:06,862 It has been made a mockery of. 1467 01:23:06,896 --> 01:23:09,907 FontStyle= "italic" > don't believe me, I know that. 1468 01:23:09,931 --> 01:23:11,275 But the truth is, 1469 01:23:11,310 --> 01:23:12,517 I am not crazy. 1470 01:23:14,965 --> 01:23:18,103 This book, is the beginning 1471 01:23:18,137 --> 01:23:21,586 of a very big conversation of what might be out there. 1472 01:23:21,620 --> 01:23:24,758 How can we neglect all the people 1473 01:23:24,793 --> 01:23:26,793 that suddenly came together and said, 1474 01:23:26,827 --> 01:23:28,965 "Oh, I've had the same experience." 1475 01:23:30,137 --> 01:23:33,137 Whitley Strieber's story stands out. 1476 01:23:33,172 --> 01:23:34,344 He called them visitors. 1477 01:23:34,379 --> 01:23:36,931 He didn't ask you to believe in UFOs 1478 01:23:36,965 --> 01:23:39,103 or little green men from other planets. 1479 01:23:39,137 --> 01:23:40,517 He said, "This is what I saw." 1480 01:23:41,137 --> 01:23:42,310 Whitley realizes, 1481 01:23:42,344 --> 01:23:44,184 the visitors are here and they're here to stay. 1482 01:23:47,379 --> 01:23:48,655 What happened to me, 1483 01:23:48,689 --> 01:23:51,275 I'm still not certain, 1484 01:23:51,310 --> 01:23:53,931 but I am certain of one thing. 1485 01:23:53,965 --> 01:23:56,793 This is something very, very real, 1486 01:23:56,827 --> 01:24:00,172 and I think that will be perfectly obvious to you, 1487 01:24:00,206 --> 01:24:01,827 when you listen to this tape. 112883

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