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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,156 --> 00:00:12,922 (car engine revs) 2 00:00:16,851 --> 00:00:21,741 _ 3 00:00:23,100 --> 00:00:25,400 (crickets chirping) (country music playing) 4 00:00:26,074 --> 00:00:29,971 The greatest outlaw in country music has to be Waylon Jennings. 5 00:00:29,972 --> 00:00:32,408 I think that'd be pretty hard to argue with. 6 00:00:32,409 --> 00:00:34,376 The evidence is overwhelming. 7 00:00:34,377 --> 00:00:37,644 ("I'm A Ramblin' Man" playing) 8 00:00:41,550 --> 00:00:44,419 ♪ I've been down the Mississippi ♪ 9 00:00:44,420 --> 00:00:47,654 ♪ Down through New Orleans ♪ 10 00:00:49,959 --> 00:00:52,360 ♪ Lord, I played in California ♪ 11 00:00:52,361 --> 00:00:55,295 ♪ There ain't too much I haven't seen ♪ 12 00:00:57,700 --> 00:01:00,401 ♪ Lord, I'm a ramblin' man ♪ 13 00:01:00,402 --> 00:01:04,439 ♪ Don't fool around with the ramblin' man ♪ 14 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,709 The truth is, there are really two Waylons. 15 00:01:07,710 --> 00:01:10,610 There's the guy in the black hat, the honky-tonk hero, 16 00:01:10,611 --> 00:01:13,247 and then there's the kid with slicked-back hair 17 00:01:13,248 --> 00:01:15,950 who almost broke out with the birth of rock and roll, 18 00:01:15,951 --> 00:01:17,852 playing bass with Buddy Holly. 19 00:01:17,853 --> 00:01:20,187 And both Waylons cheated death, 20 00:01:20,188 --> 00:01:23,190 more times than any man has a right to. 21 00:01:23,191 --> 00:01:25,458 (theme music playing) 22 00:01:32,333 --> 00:01:37,600 Subtitle sync and corrections by awaqeded for www.addic7ed.com. 23 00:01:38,172 --> 00:01:39,172 Everybody always says, 24 00:01:39,173 --> 00:01:40,206 "Man, when you gonna write 25 00:01:40,207 --> 00:01:41,375 a book about the Waylon years?" 26 00:01:41,376 --> 00:01:42,408 I say, "Not as long 27 00:01:42,409 --> 00:01:43,576 as my mama's alive." 28 00:01:43,577 --> 00:01:45,311 There you go. There you go. 29 00:01:45,312 --> 00:01:48,248 Mike: Gordon "Crank" Payne and Jerry "Jigger" Bridges 30 00:01:48,249 --> 00:01:52,518 spent the better part of their careers on stage with Waylon Jennings. 31 00:01:52,519 --> 00:01:54,587 Crank played guitar and harmonica. 32 00:01:54,588 --> 00:01:56,022 Jigger played bass. 33 00:01:56,023 --> 00:01:57,991 Both of them got their nicknames 34 00:01:57,992 --> 00:02:00,125 from the man they knew as Hoss. 35 00:02:00,126 --> 00:02:01,193 I remember we had 36 00:02:01,194 --> 00:02:02,661 a Canadian tour with Willie, 37 00:02:02,662 --> 00:02:04,463 and Waylon warned Willie, 38 00:02:04,464 --> 00:02:06,565 he said, "You've got to do something with this bus. 39 00:02:06,566 --> 00:02:08,066 "There's so much pot that was smoked. 40 00:02:08,067 --> 00:02:09,301 You've got to clean it up." 41 00:02:09,302 --> 00:02:11,136 Tom Bourke: We were high 24/7. 42 00:02:11,137 --> 00:02:13,038 I don't know how to tell people that, 43 00:02:13,039 --> 00:02:16,875 but, you know, how do you think you do 200 dates a year? 44 00:02:16,876 --> 00:02:19,278 You can't unless you're on something. 45 00:02:19,279 --> 00:02:21,813 (sniffs) We ran around this country with a sign on our head. 46 00:02:21,814 --> 00:02:24,049 It said, "Look at us, we're stupid," 47 00:02:24,050 --> 00:02:26,251 because we were high all the time. 48 00:02:26,252 --> 00:02:29,254 Mike: Tom Bourke was the road manager for Waylon Jennings 49 00:02:29,255 --> 00:02:31,123 from his start as a solo artist 50 00:02:31,124 --> 00:02:33,858 to super stardom as a country music outlaw. 51 00:02:33,859 --> 00:02:36,260 Willie's bus was in front of Waylon's, 52 00:02:36,261 --> 00:02:37,829 and you could smell the smoke. 53 00:02:37,830 --> 00:02:41,332 So Willie sent it in, and he had it steam cleaned 54 00:02:41,333 --> 00:02:43,768 and everything that you could do to the bus, 55 00:02:43,769 --> 00:02:45,603 but it didn't work. (chuckles) 56 00:02:45,604 --> 00:02:47,038 (barking) We got to the crossing, 57 00:02:47,039 --> 00:02:48,539 the guards, they came on his bus. 58 00:02:48,540 --> 00:02:51,342 And you know how dogs sniff around? This dog sat down. 59 00:02:51,343 --> 00:02:53,978 Just sat there and just looked around. 60 00:02:53,979 --> 00:02:57,048 He didn't know where to bark or where to sniff. 61 00:02:57,049 --> 00:02:58,816 He had no idea what to do. 62 00:02:58,817 --> 00:03:01,052 Bourke: And they took everything out of Willie's bus. (barking) 63 00:03:01,053 --> 00:03:03,321 They were looking underneath the bays and everything. 64 00:03:03,322 --> 00:03:05,456 The dogs were going crazy, you know, 65 00:03:05,457 --> 00:03:07,190 and they couldn't find nothing. 66 00:03:07,191 --> 00:03:09,827 Anyway, they let Willie go, and he gets away with everything. 67 00:03:09,828 --> 00:03:12,696 We thought that after he got through 68 00:03:12,697 --> 00:03:14,665 that it was smooth sailing for us, you know. 69 00:03:14,666 --> 00:03:16,867 Then when our bus got there, 70 00:03:16,868 --> 00:03:19,636 they took Waylon, they wanted to do a strip search. 71 00:03:19,637 --> 00:03:23,006 The funny part at that time is... there was six of us, I think... 72 00:03:23,007 --> 00:03:25,275 we were honorary deputy sheriffs, 73 00:03:25,276 --> 00:03:27,110 so when they took us into the little room, 74 00:03:27,111 --> 00:03:28,845 we just all threw the badges on the table. 75 00:03:28,846 --> 00:03:29,912 (clatters) 76 00:03:29,913 --> 00:03:32,449 And the guy said, "Oh shit. Just go on." 77 00:03:32,450 --> 00:03:35,751 He was a cowboy. Some people are born that way. 78 00:03:35,752 --> 00:03:39,121 I was scared to death of them guys, but they were cowboys. 79 00:03:39,122 --> 00:03:41,023 You know, to me they were real cowboys. 80 00:03:41,024 --> 00:03:44,660 Mike: He was actually part Native American on his mother's side, 81 00:03:44,661 --> 00:03:46,929 Irish and Dutch on his father's side. 82 00:03:46,930 --> 00:03:50,800 Terry Jennings says that his dad played up both sides of his heritage, 83 00:03:50,801 --> 00:03:54,736 while growing up in a tiny West Texas town called Littlefield. 84 00:03:54,737 --> 00:03:56,633 My dad and Uncle Tommy 85 00:03:56,634 --> 00:03:58,468 would play Cowboys and Indians. 86 00:03:58,469 --> 00:04:01,305 Well, Dad, when he was five years old... 87 00:04:01,306 --> 00:04:03,507 (toy gun popping) ...when he was walking on a split-rail fence, 88 00:04:03,508 --> 00:04:06,142 and they have a thing they call a sand fighter, 89 00:04:06,143 --> 00:04:08,011 which is basically a bunch of spikes, 90 00:04:08,012 --> 00:04:09,613 and it's dragged through the ground, 91 00:04:09,614 --> 00:04:12,148 turn the dirt over so the wind don't blow it away. 92 00:04:12,149 --> 00:04:13,683 Well, he fell off that fence 93 00:04:13,684 --> 00:04:18,421 and stuck one of those spikes right above his ankle in the left leg, 94 00:04:18,422 --> 00:04:20,824 so it stunted the growth in his leg. 95 00:04:20,825 --> 00:04:23,026 A lot of people ask me how tall Dad is, 96 00:04:23,027 --> 00:04:25,628 and I'll tell 'em, "He's six-foot-one, six-foot-two, 97 00:04:25,629 --> 00:04:27,563 depending on which foot he's standing on." 98 00:04:27,564 --> 00:04:30,366 ♪ You better move away ♪ 99 00:04:30,367 --> 00:04:33,469 ♪ You're standing too close to the flames ♪ 100 00:04:33,470 --> 00:04:36,739 Terry: When you watch him play and you seen him all leaning over to the left, 101 00:04:36,740 --> 00:04:39,709 that's 'cause he's over there leaning on that short leg. 102 00:04:39,710 --> 00:04:43,479 Mike: His disability - didn't stop him from dreaming with his brother, Tommy, 103 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,248 about playing music on the greatest stage of all, 104 00:04:46,249 --> 00:04:47,582 the Grand Ole Opry. 105 00:04:47,583 --> 00:04:50,185 Grandpa had a guitar. Grandma played piano, 106 00:04:50,186 --> 00:04:51,920 taught him the first three chords. 107 00:04:51,921 --> 00:04:54,289 Him and Uncle Tommy, they would get out there 108 00:04:54,290 --> 00:04:56,825 and get broomsticks and Coke crates, 109 00:04:56,826 --> 00:05:00,262 stand on those, pretending like they were Hank Williams and Ernest Tubb. 110 00:05:00,263 --> 00:05:04,065 Mike: By the time Waylon was 14, he was performing in public 111 00:05:04,066 --> 00:05:07,134 and working as a DJ at a local radio station. 112 00:05:07,135 --> 00:05:10,204 By 19, he was married with children, 113 00:05:10,205 --> 00:05:11,673 but his talent caught the attention 114 00:05:11,674 --> 00:05:15,810 of another young singer-songwriter out of Lubbock, 80 miles away. 115 00:05:15,811 --> 00:05:19,713 Buddy Holly was the first one to take Dad into the studio. 116 00:05:19,714 --> 00:05:21,215 They were high school friends. 117 00:05:21,216 --> 00:05:23,918 And Mom, she didn't really like him that much 118 00:05:23,919 --> 00:05:25,987 because Buddy'd pull up to the front yard... (horn honks) 119 00:05:25,988 --> 00:05:28,489 ...honk the horn, and there'd go Waylon. (door slams) 120 00:05:28,490 --> 00:05:30,557 Kinky Friedman: Buddy Holly was definitely the match 121 00:05:30,558 --> 00:05:34,828 that kindled the flame for Waylon Jennings, no question. 122 00:05:34,829 --> 00:05:36,329 And he also showed Waylon 123 00:05:36,330 --> 00:05:37,531 how easy it was 124 00:05:37,532 --> 00:05:39,633 for that to go away. 125 00:05:39,634 --> 00:05:42,870 Mike: Singer-songwriter Kinky Friedman was just a boy 126 00:05:42,871 --> 00:05:45,205 when the Crickets made Buddy Holly a star. 127 00:05:45,206 --> 00:05:48,975 In 1958, the Crickets quit Holly in a contract dispute. 128 00:05:48,976 --> 00:05:52,078 Buddy turned to his old pal Waylon for help. 129 00:05:52,079 --> 00:05:55,215 Buddy'd come by the radio station Dad was working at 130 00:05:55,216 --> 00:05:57,750 and said, "Hey, you wanna go out on the road with me?" 131 00:05:57,751 --> 00:06:01,487 Dad said, "Sure," and he goes, "Well, you're gonna play bass." 132 00:06:01,488 --> 00:06:02,956 And Dad goes, "I don't play bass. 133 00:06:02,957 --> 00:06:04,324 Never played a bass in my life." 134 00:06:04,325 --> 00:06:06,459 Well, Buddy handed him a bass and says, 135 00:06:06,460 --> 00:06:09,395 "You got two weeks to learn how to play it and meet me in New York." 136 00:06:09,396 --> 00:06:11,898 Mike: The tour was called the Winter Dance Party, 137 00:06:11,899 --> 00:06:13,599 and it included the biggest names 138 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,234 in rock and roll at the time. 139 00:06:15,235 --> 00:06:17,737 They'd been having a lot of trouble with the bus. 140 00:06:17,738 --> 00:06:20,606 The heaters weren't working, and they were, all the time, 141 00:06:20,607 --> 00:06:22,475 getting people to come over and work on it. 142 00:06:22,476 --> 00:06:24,843 Well, Richie Valens and the Big Bopper 143 00:06:24,844 --> 00:06:27,746 had both had the flu from being on that cold bus. 144 00:06:27,747 --> 00:06:30,615 Mike: Holly chartered a plane from Mason City, Iowa, 145 00:06:30,616 --> 00:06:33,252 to Fargo, North Dakota, in order to stay warm 146 00:06:33,253 --> 00:06:34,820 on that leg of the trip. 147 00:06:34,821 --> 00:06:36,288 There were only three seats, 148 00:06:36,289 --> 00:06:37,789 and Waylon had one of them. 149 00:06:37,790 --> 00:06:41,192 Big Bopper is just that... he's a great big guy, 150 00:06:41,193 --> 00:06:44,028 and he was sick, and he's from Texas, 151 00:06:44,029 --> 00:06:46,197 and us Texas boys try to look out for each other. 152 00:06:46,198 --> 00:06:48,199 And Dad says, "Man, you know, 153 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,235 you'd be better off on that plane," and he agreed. 154 00:06:51,236 --> 00:06:54,272 Later on, as they were getting ready to go to the airplane, 155 00:06:54,273 --> 00:06:56,607 Dad and Buddy are sitting backstage, 156 00:06:56,608 --> 00:06:58,376 and they got these little cane-back chairs 157 00:06:58,377 --> 00:07:00,611 leaning against the wall, and they was eating hot dogs. 158 00:07:00,612 --> 00:07:02,180 And Buddy looks at him and says, 159 00:07:02,181 --> 00:07:04,682 "Well, I hear you're scared of flying." 160 00:07:04,683 --> 00:07:06,084 He goes, "I ain't scared of nothing. 161 00:07:06,085 --> 00:07:09,587 I just gave it to Big Bopper 'cause he's got the flu." 162 00:07:09,588 --> 00:07:14,725 Buddy goes, "Well, all I got to say is I hope your old bus freezes up." 163 00:07:14,726 --> 00:07:17,862 And Dad goes, "Well, fine, I hope your plane crashes." 164 00:07:17,863 --> 00:07:20,764 Announcer: We interrupt this program for a special news bulletin. 165 00:07:20,765 --> 00:07:23,634 Three young singers who soared to the heights of show business 166 00:07:23,635 --> 00:07:26,203 on the current rock and roll craze were killed today 167 00:07:26,204 --> 00:07:29,373 in the crash of a light plane in an Iowa snow flurry. 168 00:07:29,374 --> 00:07:32,075 For years, he thought he had done it, you know? 169 00:07:32,076 --> 00:07:34,444 And they was just kids cutting up with each other. 170 00:07:34,445 --> 00:07:37,514 And but for a little confusion about who was going to sit 171 00:07:37,515 --> 00:07:39,916 in what seat on the plane... 172 00:07:39,917 --> 00:07:41,485 he would've been the one. 173 00:07:41,486 --> 00:07:44,854 This one time, we're in Fresno, California, 174 00:07:44,855 --> 00:07:47,557 and just before the show he hollered at me, 175 00:07:47,558 --> 00:07:49,025 he said, "Come down to the dressing room." 176 00:07:49,026 --> 00:07:50,693 Mike: Drummer Richie Albright 177 00:07:50,694 --> 00:07:53,429 started playing with Waylon in 1961. 178 00:07:53,430 --> 00:07:57,433 Very few people spent more time on the road with Hoss than Richie. 179 00:07:57,434 --> 00:07:59,035 Went down there in his dressing room, 180 00:07:59,036 --> 00:08:00,770 so he shut the door and said, "Give me a bump." 181 00:08:00,771 --> 00:08:03,605 (snorts) So I just gave him a couple of big bumps, 182 00:08:03,606 --> 00:08:05,441 and I took a couple myself. 183 00:08:05,442 --> 00:08:07,643 Well, I forgot that the evening before 184 00:08:07,644 --> 00:08:10,179 he had given me two small packets, 185 00:08:10,180 --> 00:08:12,281 and he said, "Hold these for me." 186 00:08:12,282 --> 00:08:14,083 And I looked at 'em and there was two of 'em, 187 00:08:14,084 --> 00:08:17,819 I said, "What's he got two for?" So I poured 'em together. 188 00:08:17,820 --> 00:08:21,056 Richie come up on stage, and everything seemed fine. 189 00:08:21,057 --> 00:08:23,525 Then about halfway through the first song, 190 00:08:23,526 --> 00:08:25,594 I noticed him wobbling. 191 00:08:25,595 --> 00:08:28,630 He was swinging and not hitting anything. 192 00:08:28,631 --> 00:08:30,899 I run up behind him, and he's weaving even more, 193 00:08:30,900 --> 00:08:33,001 so I grabbed him, and I said, "Are you okay?" 194 00:08:33,002 --> 00:08:35,803 Richie: I looked down and I swear to God, 195 00:08:35,804 --> 00:08:38,073 my drumstick was a "Z." 196 00:08:38,074 --> 00:08:40,041 (chuckles) That's the way it looked to me. 197 00:08:40,042 --> 00:08:41,943 He goes, "Don't worry about me. 198 00:08:41,944 --> 00:08:43,445 "Go back there and tell your dad 199 00:08:43,446 --> 00:08:47,449 it's gonna be okay. It's called Atlanta Dog." 200 00:08:47,450 --> 00:08:50,485 Atlanta Dog. I'm not sure what it was. 201 00:08:50,486 --> 00:08:53,955 Mike: It was a mixture of PCP and heroin. 202 00:08:53,956 --> 00:08:56,156 Thanks to Richie, the two of them had snorted 203 00:08:56,157 --> 00:09:00,260 a combination of Atlanta Dog and Peruvian Cocaine. 204 00:09:00,261 --> 00:09:03,263 I went into the dressing room, the place is full of people, 205 00:09:03,264 --> 00:09:05,299 and Dad's just laid out on the table. 206 00:09:05,300 --> 00:09:08,802 And Deacon goes, uh, "Terry, uh we're getting ready to call an ambulance. 207 00:09:08,803 --> 00:09:10,837 Your dad thinks he's having a heart attack." 208 00:09:10,838 --> 00:09:15,209 Mike: Deacon was Edward James "The Deacon" Proudfoot, 209 00:09:15,210 --> 00:09:17,411 a longstanding member of the Oakland Chapter 210 00:09:17,412 --> 00:09:19,779 of the Hell's Angels motorcycle club, 211 00:09:19,780 --> 00:09:22,316 and head of Waylon's security detail. 212 00:09:22,317 --> 00:09:24,218 And I said, "Get all these people out of here." 213 00:09:24,219 --> 00:09:27,186 So Deacon ran everybody out of the room except for me, 214 00:09:27,187 --> 00:09:28,855 and I leaned over to Dad, and I said, 215 00:09:28,856 --> 00:09:30,657 "Dad, Richie told me to come down here 216 00:09:30,658 --> 00:09:32,759 "and tell you that you're gonna be okay. 217 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,829 Y'all did something called Atlanta Dog." 218 00:09:35,830 --> 00:09:39,065 He just stood up, and he says, "Take me to the stage." 219 00:09:39,066 --> 00:09:40,734 By the time I got back up there, 220 00:09:40,735 --> 00:09:42,401 they were actually holding Richie up, 221 00:09:42,402 --> 00:09:45,004 and he was still just a-swinging the best he could. 222 00:09:45,005 --> 00:09:47,773 So Dad got his guitar on best he could, 223 00:09:47,774 --> 00:09:50,443 and he started swinging at it, missing strings. 224 00:09:50,444 --> 00:09:51,744 He was singing out of key. 225 00:09:51,745 --> 00:09:55,481 It was the worst show I had ever seen in my life, 226 00:09:55,482 --> 00:09:58,483 but for some reason, the audience didn't seem to mind. 227 00:09:58,484 --> 00:10:03,922 Mike: Waylon launched his solo career in Phoenix with Richie in 1961. 228 00:10:03,923 --> 00:10:07,626 He was the star attraction at a club called JD's. 229 00:10:07,627 --> 00:10:10,763 The only time I ever got to see Dad was Monday or Tuesday night, 230 00:10:10,764 --> 00:10:13,766 they would do a family night, and they'd let the kids come in. 231 00:10:13,767 --> 00:10:17,335 Basically, what it really meant was everybody had to clean their show up. 232 00:10:17,336 --> 00:10:19,237 They had Mac, the singing bartender. 233 00:10:19,238 --> 00:10:20,639 His songs were dirty. 234 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,541 He did some really, really bad jokes. 235 00:10:22,542 --> 00:10:24,643 And he played a commode lid 236 00:10:24,644 --> 00:10:28,112 with a guitar neck on it that he called a "shitar." 237 00:10:28,113 --> 00:10:31,482 When I was in the second grade, I decided I'd sneak downstairs 238 00:10:31,483 --> 00:10:33,985 where they were playing rock and roll music. 239 00:10:33,986 --> 00:10:36,988 And they had half-naked girls dancing in cages, 240 00:10:36,989 --> 00:10:40,524 called go-go dancers, and I was in hog heaven. 241 00:10:40,525 --> 00:10:42,093 I was booked at Phoenix, 242 00:10:42,094 --> 00:10:45,730 and I went by JD's where Waylon was playing, 243 00:10:45,731 --> 00:10:50,434 and I said, "The guy needs to be on a major label." 244 00:10:50,435 --> 00:10:52,303 Mike: Bobby Bare was on one. 245 00:10:52,304 --> 00:10:54,971 The Country Music Hall of Famer was instrumental 246 00:10:54,972 --> 00:10:57,174 in getting Waylon to move to Nashville. 247 00:10:57,175 --> 00:11:01,312 He called legendary songwriter and producer Chet Atkins personally. 248 00:11:01,313 --> 00:11:03,714 And I was cutting my own throat doing this, 249 00:11:03,715 --> 00:11:07,017 because he has the same songs I do. 250 00:11:07,018 --> 00:11:09,019 If Chet Atkins calls you and offers you a deal, 251 00:11:09,020 --> 00:11:11,088 it's like you're getting a deal from God. 252 00:11:11,089 --> 00:11:13,924 I mean, Chet Atkins was Nashville. 253 00:11:13,925 --> 00:11:17,460 You know, I mean, he was the inventor of the Nashville Sound, 254 00:11:17,461 --> 00:11:19,129 and that's where Dad wanted to go. 255 00:11:19,130 --> 00:11:24,300 ♪ My dreams are shattered, don't you see? ♪ 256 00:11:24,301 --> 00:11:28,904 ♪ Now, you no longer care for me ♪ 257 00:11:28,905 --> 00:11:31,541 Mike: Atkins let him use some of his own musicians, 258 00:11:31,542 --> 00:11:33,976 but Waylon's first major studio release 259 00:11:33,977 --> 00:11:37,679 had that Nashville Sound, clean and polished. 260 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:39,882 Willie Nelson told Waylon in Arizona, 261 00:11:39,883 --> 00:11:41,450 one of the first times they met, and he said, 262 00:11:41,451 --> 00:11:44,120 "Waylon, do not go to Nashville. It'll break your heart." 263 00:11:44,121 --> 00:11:45,921 ♪ ♪ 264 00:11:45,922 --> 00:11:48,357 Mike: Folk Country didn't do much on the charts, 265 00:11:48,358 --> 00:11:49,759 topping out at number nine, 266 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:51,961 but it established Hoss as a presence 267 00:11:51,962 --> 00:11:53,828 in his new town, Nashville. 268 00:11:53,829 --> 00:11:55,830 Waylon was very charismatic. 269 00:11:55,831 --> 00:11:58,333 Well, you know, he was probably on pills, 270 00:11:58,334 --> 00:12:02,804 but when he'd walk into the room, he took all the air out. 271 00:12:02,805 --> 00:12:05,006 When my dad first came to Nashville, 272 00:12:05,007 --> 00:12:06,975 one of the first people he met was Roger Miller, 273 00:12:06,976 --> 00:12:10,711 and Roger had a suitcase full of pills that had different... 274 00:12:10,712 --> 00:12:13,281 like, some of 'em would be half-upper, half-downer, 275 00:12:13,282 --> 00:12:15,616 or some of 'em would be, like, part barbiturate and part this. 276 00:12:15,617 --> 00:12:17,018 They had all these names for them 277 00:12:17,019 --> 00:12:19,654 that my dad and Roger would come up with, you know? 278 00:12:19,655 --> 00:12:21,022 And so they'd hang out there, 279 00:12:21,023 --> 00:12:24,092 and party and listen to music all night, stay up all night. 280 00:12:24,093 --> 00:12:27,361 And then, you know, get up and do it all over again. 281 00:12:27,362 --> 00:12:29,664 Mike: Shooter, Waylon's youngest son, 282 00:12:29,665 --> 00:12:32,500 grew up on stories set in the Boar's Nest, 283 00:12:32,501 --> 00:12:34,735 the unofficial home of The Outsiders. 284 00:12:34,736 --> 00:12:38,706 The Boar's Nest was a place that was run by this lady, Sue Brewer. 285 00:12:38,707 --> 00:12:41,008 It was her apartment, and after her work at night, 286 00:12:41,009 --> 00:12:44,044 she would turn on this little neon light. 287 00:12:44,045 --> 00:12:46,379 Some of the better writers back in the day 288 00:12:46,380 --> 00:12:48,982 would go there 'cause it was kind of an after-hours place. 289 00:12:48,983 --> 00:12:54,021 The story that I was told with that is she had slept with a famous country star, 290 00:12:54,022 --> 00:12:56,890 and he knocked her up, but he didn't want anything to do with the kid or something, 291 00:12:56,891 --> 00:12:59,426 and so she said, "I'm gonna come to Nashville, 292 00:12:59,427 --> 00:13:03,095 and I'm gonna screw every young star in Nashville to get back at you." 293 00:13:03,096 --> 00:13:05,398 But she ended up coming there and working as a waitress, 294 00:13:05,399 --> 00:13:08,868 and all these stars kind of gravitated towards her, not for sex. 295 00:13:08,869 --> 00:13:10,837 Really, she loved country music, 296 00:13:10,838 --> 00:13:14,808 and guys like Harlan Howard, Roger Miller, Shel Silverstein, 297 00:13:14,809 --> 00:13:16,876 young Hank Williams Jr., my dad, 298 00:13:16,877 --> 00:13:19,411 like, Kris Kristofferson, Willie... 299 00:13:19,412 --> 00:13:20,713 you could go on forever. 300 00:13:20,714 --> 00:13:23,282 Mike: It was a hole-in-the-wall for country songwriters 301 00:13:23,283 --> 00:13:26,118 that didn't quite fit into the Nashville Sound. 302 00:13:26,119 --> 00:13:29,521 Cleverness used to be country music's wooden leg. 303 00:13:29,522 --> 00:13:33,859 Nashville didn't get these guys any better than they got Hank Williams. 304 00:13:33,860 --> 00:13:37,763 We just moved to town, been in town maybe a few months. 305 00:13:37,764 --> 00:13:41,199 Waylon come back there and parked in front of the place, 306 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:42,801 and started walking up the sidewalk. 307 00:13:42,802 --> 00:13:44,002 And this guy walked down 308 00:13:44,003 --> 00:13:45,437 and was standing there on the stoop. 309 00:13:45,438 --> 00:13:48,507 I looked up, and there was Cowboy Jack Clement. 310 00:13:48,508 --> 00:13:50,275 I was already a big fan of his. 311 00:13:50,276 --> 00:13:53,644 He had produced that Cash album, Trail of Tears. 312 00:13:53,645 --> 00:13:56,281 I loved that album. I said, "Jack Clements! 313 00:13:56,282 --> 00:13:58,984 "Hi, I'm Richie Albright, Waylon's drummer. 314 00:13:58,985 --> 00:14:02,220 Pleased to meet you." And he grabbed my hand, 315 00:14:02,221 --> 00:14:06,090 started shaking, turned and went, "Blah!" 316 00:14:06,091 --> 00:14:08,792 Then he kept shaking my hand. "Blah!" 317 00:14:09,628 --> 00:14:12,263 Finally, he said, "Nice to meet you." 318 00:14:12,264 --> 00:14:14,899 And he turned around and went back upstairs... 319 00:14:14,900 --> 00:14:17,001 and we followed him. (chuckles) 320 00:14:17,002 --> 00:14:20,204 Mike: Cowboy Jack Clement was a producer and engineer 321 00:14:20,205 --> 00:14:22,239 for Sam Phillips at Sun Records. 322 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,342 He'd recorded Elvis Presley, Carl Perkins, 323 00:14:25,343 --> 00:14:27,378 Jerry Lee Lewis, and Johnny Cash. 324 00:14:27,379 --> 00:14:31,382 When I was about 10 or 11, that was the first time I met Johnny Cash. 325 00:14:31,383 --> 00:14:32,983 And him and Dad showed up, 326 00:14:32,984 --> 00:14:35,786 and when they hit that door, they hit it like pinballs. 327 00:14:35,787 --> 00:14:37,254 They were bouncing off of the walls. 328 00:14:37,255 --> 00:14:39,556 I thought they were just nervous. 329 00:14:39,557 --> 00:14:42,125 Nobody took as many pills as Waylon. 330 00:14:42,126 --> 00:14:46,129 Nobody could, except maybe Johnny Cash. 331 00:14:46,130 --> 00:14:49,733 Waylon and Johnny Cash got an apartment together, 332 00:14:49,734 --> 00:14:53,503 and, uh, Johnny would try to make breakfast 333 00:14:53,504 --> 00:14:56,472 with, uh, that black suit on, 334 00:14:56,473 --> 00:14:59,175 and making biscuits... (chuckles) 335 00:14:59,176 --> 00:15:01,811 ...flour all over everything. 336 00:15:01,812 --> 00:15:03,779 They were both taking a lot of pills 337 00:15:03,780 --> 00:15:07,016 and trying to hide it from one another. 338 00:15:07,017 --> 00:15:08,318 Cash ran out one time, 339 00:15:08,319 --> 00:15:12,254 and Dad had just got enough money to buy him a new Cadillac. 340 00:15:12,255 --> 00:15:16,224 And Cash just knew that he had some pills hidden in the glove box 341 00:15:16,225 --> 00:15:18,060 or in behind the whole dashboard, 342 00:15:18,061 --> 00:15:20,963 and he went out there and... didn't have keys or nothing... 343 00:15:20,964 --> 00:15:23,065 tore into the car. 344 00:15:23,066 --> 00:15:26,669 Tore that side of the console completely out. 345 00:15:26,670 --> 00:15:29,004 He thought there was pills in there, but there wasn't. 346 00:15:29,005 --> 00:15:32,407 (chuckles) I told Waylon a good place to hide 'em, 347 00:15:32,408 --> 00:15:35,810 and that's to take the light switch out 348 00:15:35,811 --> 00:15:38,080 and drop 'em down in the wall. 349 00:15:38,081 --> 00:15:40,915 So he did that, and he come back to me later, 350 00:15:40,916 --> 00:15:42,784 and he said, "Well, how do I get 'em out?" I said, 351 00:15:42,785 --> 00:15:45,252 "Well, you got to knock a hole in the wall down at the bottom. 352 00:15:45,253 --> 00:15:47,989 When you really want 'em, you gotta do that." 353 00:15:47,990 --> 00:15:52,426 It was like, um, Van Gogh and Gauguin when they were roommates, 354 00:15:52,427 --> 00:15:57,064 where Gauguin had a better commercial eye for what was happening. 355 00:15:57,065 --> 00:15:59,801 That would be Johnny Cash, and yet he's another one 356 00:15:59,802 --> 00:16:04,171 that couldn't get a record deal in Nashville. It's incredible, isn't it? 357 00:16:04,172 --> 00:16:05,973 They said of Van Gogh and Gauguin, 358 00:16:05,974 --> 00:16:09,310 that Gauguin loved the sunshine, for painting, 359 00:16:09,311 --> 00:16:13,014 but Van Gogh loved the sun, 360 00:16:13,015 --> 00:16:16,717 and he got too close to it sometimes. That's Waylon. 361 00:16:16,718 --> 00:16:19,887 I remember we were on tour across Canada, 362 00:16:19,888 --> 00:16:22,389 and Waylon was fixing to go on stage. 363 00:16:22,390 --> 00:16:24,124 And I saw him reach in his pocket, 364 00:16:24,125 --> 00:16:25,993 take a whole handful of pills. 365 00:16:25,994 --> 00:16:28,862 I said, "Whoa!" I said, "How many of those pills 366 00:16:28,863 --> 00:16:31,598 do you think you take a day? Five, six?" 367 00:16:31,599 --> 00:16:35,868 He said, "Thirty." I said, "Thirty! Holy shit." 368 00:16:35,869 --> 00:16:38,638 Nashville ran on amphetamines. 369 00:16:38,639 --> 00:16:41,174 I mean, this whole town was just... 370 00:16:41,175 --> 00:16:43,076 Everybody had a bottle of pills. 371 00:16:43,077 --> 00:16:46,879 We got to the point where we had to get back out on the road to get some rest. 372 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,516 You never slept when you were in town. 373 00:16:49,517 --> 00:16:51,751 Captain Midnight was our go-to guy. 374 00:16:51,752 --> 00:16:54,687 Mike: Captain Midnight, AKA Roger Schutt, 375 00:16:54,688 --> 00:16:57,389 was a country music aficionado and DJ 376 00:16:57,390 --> 00:17:01,994 who played nothing but Waylon Jennings, nonstop, his last day on the job. 377 00:17:01,995 --> 00:17:05,330 My nephew called me, and he said, "Turn on KDF. 378 00:17:05,331 --> 00:17:06,599 You ain't gonna believe this shit." 379 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:10,135 I turned it on, and Captain Midnight, he's rambling on. 380 00:17:10,136 --> 00:17:12,371 (rattling) He had wired the door shut 381 00:17:12,372 --> 00:17:15,407 and just started playing Waylon constantly. 382 00:17:15,408 --> 00:17:18,810 And he said, "This'll probably be my last show here, 383 00:17:18,811 --> 00:17:21,980 but I just wanna play all the good music I can," you know? 384 00:17:21,981 --> 00:17:23,082 And he kept playing Waylon. 385 00:17:23,083 --> 00:17:24,482 Mike: He landed on his feet 386 00:17:24,483 --> 00:17:26,785 as kind of a barbiturate middleman 387 00:17:26,786 --> 00:17:30,188 and an advisor of sorts to the outcast songwriters. 388 00:17:30,189 --> 00:17:33,257 Captain Midnight was a spiritual leader of the time, 389 00:17:33,258 --> 00:17:35,426 the angel on Waylon's shoulder. 390 00:17:35,427 --> 00:17:37,929 And for Waylon to have the wisdom of surrounding himself 391 00:17:37,930 --> 00:17:39,664 by somebody good like Midnight, 392 00:17:39,665 --> 00:17:41,932 who today we could call a homeless person, 393 00:17:41,933 --> 00:17:44,102 um, that was real good. 394 00:17:44,103 --> 00:17:46,770 It definitely made it easier for him to get the drugs. 395 00:17:46,771 --> 00:17:49,006 The thing I remember mostly about Captain Midnight 396 00:17:49,007 --> 00:17:51,942 is two times a day, you didn't bother him 397 00:17:51,943 --> 00:17:55,113 'cause he was in there watching Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoons. 398 00:17:55,114 --> 00:17:57,781 Bare: - If you wanted pills, give Midnight a hundred bucks, 399 00:17:57,782 --> 00:18:00,684 he'd go to Dr. Snap and buy a bunch of speed. 400 00:18:00,685 --> 00:18:03,587 Richie: Dr. Snap would write the prescriptions, 401 00:18:03,588 --> 00:18:06,590 'cause he owned the drugstore right next to his office. 402 00:18:06,591 --> 00:18:10,995 Saved a lot of lives because of all the touring we had to do back then. 403 00:18:10,996 --> 00:18:13,963 You'd be tired from driving all night and all day, 404 00:18:13,964 --> 00:18:16,065 probably didn't get hardly any sleep, 405 00:18:16,066 --> 00:18:18,835 so by the time it'd come showtime, 406 00:18:18,836 --> 00:18:20,570 the band used to get together and say, 407 00:18:20,571 --> 00:18:23,440 "Okay, I'm taking four of these and three of these. 408 00:18:23,441 --> 00:18:24,741 What are you taking?" 409 00:18:24,742 --> 00:18:27,010 We all wanted to be on the same level, right? 410 00:18:27,011 --> 00:18:29,946 So that was the ritual. 411 00:18:29,947 --> 00:18:33,182 Every time Waylon and Richie needed money, 412 00:18:33,183 --> 00:18:36,318 they would go out to New Mexico to the Navajo Nation 413 00:18:36,319 --> 00:18:38,087 and hang out there for a month. 414 00:18:38,088 --> 00:18:40,322 They had done it for years and years, 415 00:18:40,323 --> 00:18:42,291 and sometimes he'd go twice a year. 416 00:18:42,292 --> 00:18:43,492 They loved him. 417 00:18:43,493 --> 00:18:45,928 I mean, you'd get to town, 418 00:18:45,929 --> 00:18:48,130 and they'd have a parade for Waylon. 419 00:18:48,131 --> 00:18:51,933 If it wasn't for the Navajo and all those Four Corner Indians up there, 420 00:18:51,934 --> 00:18:55,571 we probably would've starved to death in the early '70s. 421 00:18:55,572 --> 00:18:58,340 When I went with Waylon to the Navajo Nation, 422 00:18:58,341 --> 00:18:59,975 we stayed at a great hotel. 423 00:18:59,976 --> 00:19:01,443 It was one of those older hotels. 424 00:19:01,444 --> 00:19:05,013 John Wayne, I guess, and all of them people used to stay at this hotel. 425 00:19:05,014 --> 00:19:07,282 And Waylon turned around, and he said to me, he says, 426 00:19:07,283 --> 00:19:09,718 "You know, Bourke, I'm real big here." 427 00:19:09,719 --> 00:19:12,620 "Yeah, well, fuck, Waylon, you're big everywhere." 428 00:19:12,621 --> 00:19:16,925 He says, "No, I'm like the Rolling Stones here." 429 00:19:16,926 --> 00:19:19,661 That night at the gig, there had to be 430 00:19:19,662 --> 00:19:22,129 10,000 Navajos out there. (country music playing) 431 00:19:22,130 --> 00:19:27,502 It was in a rodeo ring, and had those bars that went across, you know. 432 00:19:27,503 --> 00:19:29,437 And the people were jammed up. 433 00:19:29,438 --> 00:19:32,240 They would pack those people in there like BB's. 434 00:19:32,241 --> 00:19:33,841 I mean, they were in there drinking, 435 00:19:33,842 --> 00:19:35,710 and I can tell you right now, if they got drunk, 436 00:19:35,711 --> 00:19:38,512 they couldn't pass out and hit the ground until somebody left, 437 00:19:38,513 --> 00:19:40,715 'cause it was just that tight in there. 438 00:19:40,716 --> 00:19:42,416 But when Waylon was singing, 439 00:19:42,417 --> 00:19:46,053 all them people were singing in harmony with Waylon Jennings. 440 00:19:46,054 --> 00:19:51,826 ♪ Well, the honky-tonks in Texas were my natural second home ♪ 441 00:19:51,827 --> 00:19:53,627 (cheering) 442 00:19:53,628 --> 00:19:56,496 ♪ Well, you tip your hat to the ladies ♪ 443 00:19:56,497 --> 00:20:00,166 ♪ And the Rose of San Antone ♪ 444 00:20:00,167 --> 00:20:04,871 My understanding is "Navajo" translates into "common people," 445 00:20:04,872 --> 00:20:08,575 and Dad had that album out, Love of the Common People, 446 00:20:08,576 --> 00:20:10,610 and they adopted that song as theirs, 447 00:20:10,611 --> 00:20:13,312 'cause, uh, it pretty much... if you listen to the song... 448 00:20:13,313 --> 00:20:15,314 fits their total situation. 449 00:20:15,315 --> 00:20:17,050 We were playing there for two nights. 450 00:20:17,051 --> 00:20:19,652 And the first night, Dad didn't make it to the show. 451 00:20:19,653 --> 00:20:22,789 Well, the Indians didn't like that one little bit, 452 00:20:22,790 --> 00:20:25,291 and they came out, and they started telling us, 453 00:20:25,292 --> 00:20:27,393 you know, "Waylon play now." 454 00:20:27,394 --> 00:20:29,495 And we said, "Well, Waylon's not here." 455 00:20:29,496 --> 00:20:31,230 And they said, "Waylon's on the bus." 456 00:20:31,231 --> 00:20:33,733 And we said, "No, he's not on the bus." 457 00:20:33,734 --> 00:20:35,801 And they took us around to the back of the bus, 458 00:20:35,802 --> 00:20:38,437 and they said, "Look, Waylon's name on bus. 459 00:20:38,438 --> 00:20:40,105 Waylon's on the bus." 460 00:20:40,106 --> 00:20:42,241 And we said, "Well, just 'cause his name is on the bus 461 00:20:42,242 --> 00:20:43,508 doesn't mean he's on the bus." 462 00:20:43,509 --> 00:20:46,211 Well, finally, the chief came up, 463 00:20:46,212 --> 00:20:47,612 and we took him on the bus, 464 00:20:47,613 --> 00:20:48,713 and took him all the way through it 465 00:20:48,714 --> 00:20:51,049 to prove to him that Waylon was not on the bus. 466 00:20:51,050 --> 00:20:52,885 So they were satisfied with that, 467 00:20:52,886 --> 00:20:54,653 and we got out of there unscathed. 468 00:20:54,654 --> 00:20:57,956 The Navajo Nation thought Waylon Jennings was king. 469 00:20:57,957 --> 00:21:01,293 He always says, "I was always on your side." (laughs) 470 00:21:01,294 --> 00:21:02,794 Do you know? It was great. 471 00:21:02,795 --> 00:21:05,430 I remember, really distinctly, 472 00:21:05,431 --> 00:21:07,098 the first time I ever met Waylon, 473 00:21:07,099 --> 00:21:10,669 I was walking in an alley behind Music Row in Nashville, 474 00:21:10,670 --> 00:21:12,136 and I had all my songs in a... 475 00:21:12,137 --> 00:21:14,839 fucking... some kind of homemade satchel thing. 476 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:19,677 And Waylon pulls up in this big, uh, Mark IV Lincoln, 477 00:21:19,678 --> 00:21:22,746 and he slams on the brakes, and he says, "Get in, Kink. 478 00:21:22,747 --> 00:21:26,284 Walking's bad for your image." And he was right. 479 00:21:26,285 --> 00:21:29,086 Mike: From the moment Waylon released Folk Country, 480 00:21:29,087 --> 00:21:31,088 his image and sound had been branded 481 00:21:31,089 --> 00:21:33,457 by the Nashville way of doing business. 482 00:21:33,458 --> 00:21:35,559 Waylon and Willie were not happy 483 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,061 about the way record companies controlled things, 484 00:21:38,062 --> 00:21:40,364 and the way they would tell you which songs you're gonna sing, 485 00:21:40,365 --> 00:21:43,233 and the way they would pick the musicians for the sessions, 486 00:21:43,234 --> 00:21:45,168 and the good-old-boy fraternity they had 487 00:21:45,169 --> 00:21:47,070 that they wouldn't let anybody else into. 488 00:21:47,071 --> 00:21:50,673 And definitely, drugs were anathema to them. 489 00:21:50,674 --> 00:21:53,376 Willie Nelson couldn't get arrested 490 00:21:53,377 --> 00:21:55,411 because of the way they made him record. 491 00:21:55,412 --> 00:21:57,613 They wouldn't let him play guitar on his own records. 492 00:21:57,614 --> 00:21:59,615 They wouldn't let him use his own band. 493 00:21:59,616 --> 00:22:01,952 And he knew what he wanted to sound like. 494 00:22:01,953 --> 00:22:03,586 Willie was a great songwriter. 495 00:22:03,587 --> 00:22:05,254 Everybody knew it, but they didn't think 496 00:22:05,255 --> 00:22:07,122 he was ever going to amount to anything. 497 00:22:07,123 --> 00:22:10,860 And when he left Nashville in '71 to go back to Texas, 498 00:22:10,861 --> 00:22:12,662 everybody there said the same thing, 499 00:22:12,663 --> 00:22:14,464 "We'll never hear from that guy again. 500 00:22:14,465 --> 00:22:15,931 That's the end of Willie." 501 00:22:15,932 --> 00:22:17,834 And a lot of that, I think, 502 00:22:17,835 --> 00:22:20,503 was the same problem Waylon had. 503 00:22:20,504 --> 00:22:22,338 Mike: A big part of that problem, 504 00:22:22,339 --> 00:22:24,606 in Nashville parlance, was the drugs. 505 00:22:24,607 --> 00:22:28,710 In Texas, Willie was free to pursue the life he chose to lead, 506 00:22:28,711 --> 00:22:31,546 and he found a new audience who could appreciate him. 507 00:22:31,547 --> 00:22:35,317 About '73, Willie calls Waylon, said, 508 00:22:35,318 --> 00:22:37,052 "Waylon, you gotta get down here. 509 00:22:37,053 --> 00:22:39,087 "I have found our audience. 510 00:22:39,088 --> 00:22:42,223 "It's about half-ass hippie, half-ass cowboy, 511 00:22:42,224 --> 00:22:43,592 but Texas is full of 'em." 512 00:22:43,593 --> 00:22:48,730 We went down to play the Armadillo World Headquarters in Austin, Texas. 513 00:22:48,731 --> 00:22:51,700 It was a bunch of hippies out there, and he told Willie, 514 00:22:51,701 --> 00:22:53,301 "If I go out there 515 00:22:53,302 --> 00:22:55,136 and them people give me a hard time, 516 00:22:55,137 --> 00:22:57,471 I'm gonna kick your ass!" (laughs) 517 00:22:57,472 --> 00:22:59,673 Willie had started playing the little honky-tonks 518 00:22:59,674 --> 00:23:02,343 around Austin, and it took a hold. 519 00:23:02,344 --> 00:23:06,480 The next thing you know, he's playing for 11, 12, 13,000 people 520 00:23:06,481 --> 00:23:08,482 at a little, small outdoor concert. 521 00:23:08,483 --> 00:23:10,484 And it grew from that, you know. 522 00:23:10,485 --> 00:23:13,186 We had never seen any reactions like that. 523 00:23:13,187 --> 00:23:14,422 About halfway through the show, 524 00:23:14,423 --> 00:23:16,957 he was playing lead, and we walked back there by me, 525 00:23:16,958 --> 00:23:19,993 and he said, "Somebody go get that little redhead son of a bitch. 526 00:23:19,994 --> 00:23:21,295 What's he got me into?" 527 00:23:21,296 --> 00:23:22,897 'Cause we had never seen 528 00:23:22,898 --> 00:23:26,434 cowboys and hippies together without fighting. 529 00:23:26,435 --> 00:23:29,136 That was kind of the start of the whole thing. 530 00:23:29,137 --> 00:23:32,039 Mike: The whole thing was known in country music lore 531 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,142 as the outlaw movement, but for Waylon, 532 00:23:35,143 --> 00:23:38,111 it almost came to an end before it ever got started. 533 00:23:38,112 --> 00:23:41,748 My dad, he had gotten sick and, uh... from hepatitis A. 534 00:23:41,749 --> 00:23:44,651 It's like, "Who gets that?" Everyone gets "B" and "C," 535 00:23:44,652 --> 00:23:46,653 but I've never heard of anybody getting "A." 536 00:23:46,654 --> 00:23:48,555 I went to the hospital to see Waylon, 537 00:23:48,556 --> 00:23:50,723 and his liver had given out on him. 538 00:23:50,724 --> 00:23:54,561 He turned yellow, and he had stopped doing speed 539 00:23:54,562 --> 00:23:58,197 because... couldn't do it no more. 540 00:23:58,198 --> 00:24:00,099 Waylon had to get off the pills. 541 00:24:00,100 --> 00:24:01,367 He needed some money. 542 00:24:01,368 --> 00:24:05,671 He, uh, went to RCA to ask for an advance, 543 00:24:05,672 --> 00:24:09,575 and they offered him $5,000 if he'd re-sign. 544 00:24:09,576 --> 00:24:13,512 Well, that... even back then, that wasn't much. 545 00:24:13,513 --> 00:24:15,747 And that's when Richie had found Neil Reshen, 546 00:24:15,748 --> 00:24:18,149 the manager that kind of came in and turned it all around. 547 00:24:18,150 --> 00:24:20,352 "Mad dog on a leash," that's what I call him. 548 00:24:20,353 --> 00:24:24,022 He was exactly what Dad needed at the time when he came along. 549 00:24:24,023 --> 00:24:27,325 He was a coked-up Jewish lawyer. 550 00:24:27,326 --> 00:24:29,628 (laughs) I don't know. 551 00:24:29,629 --> 00:24:33,398 He had a very thin, kind of an Abe Lincoln type beard, 552 00:24:33,399 --> 00:24:36,067 was the manager for Miles Davis, 553 00:24:36,068 --> 00:24:38,303 and so "knew where all the bodies were buried." 554 00:24:38,304 --> 00:24:41,806 I told Waylon, I said, "You're probably not going to like this guy, 555 00:24:41,807 --> 00:24:44,275 but just listen to what he has to say." 556 00:24:44,276 --> 00:24:46,744 And so he did, and they hooked up 557 00:24:46,745 --> 00:24:49,014 with a handshake after that meeting. 558 00:24:49,015 --> 00:24:51,048 And I took Neil back to the airport, 559 00:24:51,049 --> 00:24:54,785 and Willie Nelson came down to the airport, met up with Neil. 560 00:24:54,786 --> 00:24:58,389 And they had a handshake, and by the time Neil went back to New York, 561 00:24:58,390 --> 00:25:02,092 he was managing the two biggest acts in country music. 562 00:25:02,093 --> 00:25:03,828 My dad grew his hair out 563 00:25:03,829 --> 00:25:06,363 and his beard out because he was sick. 564 00:25:06,364 --> 00:25:09,566 And the manager was like, you know, "Leave your beard." 565 00:25:09,567 --> 00:25:11,235 He's like, "You really look the part now." 566 00:25:11,236 --> 00:25:13,137 And it changed everything, and then everyone grew 567 00:25:13,138 --> 00:25:14,738 their beards out and their hair out. 568 00:25:14,739 --> 00:25:18,142 That's what started that whole outlaw shit. 569 00:25:18,143 --> 00:25:22,246 Mike: - With his new legal mouthpiece, the Mad Dog Reshen, in tow, 570 00:25:22,247 --> 00:25:23,847 Hoss went back to Nashville. 571 00:25:23,848 --> 00:25:27,116 Dad and Neil were over at RCA's offices, 572 00:25:27,117 --> 00:25:29,385 renegotiating Dad's contract. 573 00:25:29,386 --> 00:25:31,888 And it came down to a point to where there was, 574 00:25:31,889 --> 00:25:35,224 like, a $25,000 stickler in there, 575 00:25:35,225 --> 00:25:37,527 you know, that nobody's wanting to come off of. 576 00:25:37,528 --> 00:25:40,863 They said their side, and Dad sold his side, 577 00:25:40,864 --> 00:25:43,999 and then there's that dead silence, and it's like, you know, 578 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,770 the first one that talks is gonna be the one that loses. 579 00:25:47,771 --> 00:25:50,873 Well, Dad stood up and just left the room. (door opens, closes) 580 00:25:50,874 --> 00:25:53,242 Well, they thought he was pissed, 581 00:25:53,243 --> 00:25:56,946 and, uh, so they caved in while he was gone. 582 00:25:56,947 --> 00:25:58,280 And then when they were leaving, Neil said, 583 00:25:58,281 --> 00:26:01,450 "That was the most genius thing I ever saw anybody do." 584 00:26:01,451 --> 00:26:03,185 He goes, "What? I had to take a piss." 585 00:26:03,186 --> 00:26:06,254 Neil said, "We got 50,000!" (laughs) 586 00:26:06,255 --> 00:26:08,824 Mike: And the outlaw movement was born. 587 00:26:08,825 --> 00:26:13,261 ♪ Somebody told me when I came to Nashville ♪ 588 00:26:13,262 --> 00:26:16,965 ♪ "Son, you finally got it made ♪ 589 00:26:16,966 --> 00:26:18,933 ♪ "Old Hank made it here ♪ 590 00:26:18,934 --> 00:26:20,935 ♪ We're all sure that you will" ♪ 591 00:26:20,936 --> 00:26:24,706 ♪ But I don't think Hank done it this way ♪ 592 00:26:24,707 --> 00:26:28,210 ♪ Did old Hank really do it this way? ♪ 593 00:26:28,211 --> 00:26:29,310 Yeah! 594 00:26:29,311 --> 00:26:30,812 ♪ ♪ 595 00:26:30,813 --> 00:26:33,881 On stage, Waylon didn't tell you what songs, 596 00:26:33,882 --> 00:26:35,483 he just started playing. 597 00:26:35,484 --> 00:26:36,985 He didn't tell you what key it was 598 00:26:36,986 --> 00:26:38,987 or what song it was, nothing. 599 00:26:38,988 --> 00:26:41,255 He kicked it, and you went from that. 600 00:26:41,256 --> 00:26:44,425 Crank: And if you were longer than four beats in, 601 00:26:44,426 --> 00:26:46,793 he's looking around, "Where you at?" With the look. 602 00:26:46,794 --> 00:26:48,762 ♪ ♪ 603 00:26:48,763 --> 00:26:52,466 ♪ Ten years on the road, makin' one-night stands ♪ 604 00:26:52,467 --> 00:26:56,604 ♪ Speedin' my young life away ♪ 605 00:26:56,605 --> 00:27:00,341 ♪ So tell me one more time, so as I'll understand ♪ 606 00:27:00,342 --> 00:27:03,576 ♪ Are you sure Hank done it this way? ♪ 607 00:27:03,577 --> 00:27:05,311 Crank: Waylon used to have a saying. 608 00:27:05,312 --> 00:27:08,548 He said, "Look, I think everybody in Nashville 609 00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:12,519 "ought to have one time in their career where they do it their own way. 610 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,055 "If it doesn't work, don't let 'em do it anymore, 611 00:27:15,056 --> 00:27:16,890 "but at least one time in their career, 612 00:27:16,891 --> 00:27:19,492 "let 'em record, let 'em write the songs, 613 00:27:19,493 --> 00:27:21,060 let 'em do it their way." 614 00:27:21,061 --> 00:27:22,495 ♪ Singing my songs ♪ 615 00:27:22,496 --> 00:27:24,297 "Every artist deserves that." 616 00:27:24,298 --> 00:27:27,167 ♪ But I don't think Hank done it this way ♪ 617 00:27:27,168 --> 00:27:31,304 ♪ No, I don't think Hank done done 'em this way ♪ 618 00:27:31,305 --> 00:27:34,040 ♪ ♪ 619 00:27:34,041 --> 00:27:37,710 Crank: That whole thing was about, "Look... 620 00:27:37,711 --> 00:27:40,445 are you sure Hank done it this way?" 621 00:27:40,446 --> 00:27:46,185 Because for so long, he wanted to record his way, and they wouldn't let him. 622 00:27:46,186 --> 00:27:47,853 You know, they wouldn't let him. 623 00:27:47,854 --> 00:27:50,222 And then when he finally did, 624 00:27:50,223 --> 00:27:53,592 blew it out of the water, and they were pissed about it. 625 00:27:53,593 --> 00:27:56,428 They were pissed he was so successful, 626 00:27:56,429 --> 00:27:57,996 that Willie was so successful, 627 00:27:57,997 --> 00:28:00,098 because what they did is took country music 628 00:28:00,099 --> 00:28:04,035 from the thousand-seat ballroom to Shea Stadium. 629 00:28:04,036 --> 00:28:06,305 And it had never been done before. 630 00:28:06,306 --> 00:28:09,107 Kinky: Waylon was everybody's country singer. 631 00:28:09,108 --> 00:28:11,710 I mean, he was just a stud. 632 00:28:11,711 --> 00:28:16,081 He's inspired so many more people than I think he ever realized. 633 00:28:16,082 --> 00:28:18,883 ♪ ♪ 634 00:28:18,884 --> 00:28:21,051 Thank you very much for coming out. 635 00:28:23,884 --> 00:28:30,518 Subtitle sync and corrections by awaqeded for www.addic7ed.com. 636 00:28:30,816 --> 00:28:33,683 (theme music playing) 54881

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