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Hello. You ever hear
of this guy,
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Johnny Paycheck?
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No?
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You don't like
country music, do you?
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You think it's corny and twangy
and kind of stupid.
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Well, you could be right,
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but it's always good
to keep an open mind.
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You know, Johnny Paycheck here
sold over 10 million records.
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That's on par with people
like NWA and Gwen Stefani.
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In the early '90s once,
I was watching TV,
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and there was all this hubbub
on the news
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about NWA and gangsta rap
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and how it was
just too violent.
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I got tired of watching this,
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because I actually like NWA
and gangsta rap,
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so I switched over
to the Country Music Channel,
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where I saw Johnny Paycheck being
interviewed.
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And he had
just gotten out of jail
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for shooting a guy,
like, he really shot a guy.
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And I thought, "Why isn't anybody
worried about Johnny Paycheck?
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Why isn't Connie Chung
picking on him?"
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Johnny Paycheck
was a dirt poor kid
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who pulled himself out
of poverty with his music,
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became a working-class hero,
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and almost killed himself
and one other person,
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that we know of,
in the process.
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And he looks a lot
like Charles Manson.
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Greenfield, Ohio,
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birthplace of the detachable
horse collar,
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Johnny Paycheck,
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and these three guys,
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the Adams Brothers--
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Don, Gary, and Arnie--
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Paycheck's backup band
for nearly two decades.
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The first time I met
Johnny Paycheck,
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I was like four years old.
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One of my brothers
had him under a tree,
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kicking his butt.
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We just hung out together,
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'cause we lived in the--
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the same neighborhood,
in the country.
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I remember one time
when he came to the house,
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he brought a guitar with him,
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and he sat in that kitchen
and sang and sang and sang.
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A couple years after that,
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me and Gary got in a talent show
in Greenfield,
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and we needed a guitar player,
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and so he played guitar
for us and, uh, and we lost.
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Lost to a woman
that pantomimed,
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so that was rough to take.
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Of course at that time,
he was Donny Lytle.
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Donny Lytle.
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He had several
different nicknames
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that a lot of people
would call him.
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In his youth, uh,
a lot of people
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referred to him as Hubcap Donny.
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He was a hubcap thief.
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Him stealing hubcaps,
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they forgot to mention
it had the car with it.
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Oh yeah.
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He had a little, uh,
criminal element to him.
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When he was
in Greenfield one time, uh,
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he went downtown
and, uh, got drunk,
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and he went
and broke into a car lot.
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He seen the car
out there on the lot
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that he liked, so he went in
and found a key for it,
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took it for a drive
and didn't like it,
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so he brought it back,
went in, got another one.
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This time, he got
the whole key board.
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Stole all the keys.
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Got him another
car, took off again.
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Took it down
to Paint Creek...
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And took all the keys and
throwed 'em in the creek.
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He got in a little trouble
over that.
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Once he got out of jail,
he was gone.
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He took off for Nashville.
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Down in Music City,
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Paycheck scraped by
as a backup musician,
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playing with everyone from
Porter Wagoner to George Jones.
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He was kind of like
a country music Mozart.
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You know, he played
guitar, lead guitar,
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uh, steel, and, uh, drums.
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He was
an excellent bass player.
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Probably the best
in Nashville in his day.
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He was a great singer.
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Next time I'd
seen him was, uh,
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he had come back, and he had
changed his name to Donny Young.
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Donny Young wasn't exactly
burning up the charts...
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...so he decided
he would change his act.
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Back in them days there
was a Johnny Dollar, and a...
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Johnny Cash and,
uh, Johnny Western.
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Donny's manager, figuring
he'd cash in on the Johnny trend...
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...recalled
an obscure Polish boxer,
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Johnny Paychek
with a "K."
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From that point on, I
mean, he totally believed
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he was Johnny Paycheck.
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You couldn't talk him out of it.
Saying, "Okay, Donny."
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Or every time you'd call him
Donny, he'd get mad at you.
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I think he had
an identity crisis.
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He legally changed his
name to Johnny Paycheck,
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and his career took off,
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but deep down inside,
he was still Hubcap Donny.
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Paycheck was, uh, playing
with Patsy Cline.
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I think that was-- that was
down in Texas someplace,
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a big country music park,
and he got to drinking.
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He found her keys
and he just went out,
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got in her car,
and took off.
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And when he'd get
to the gate,
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they would shut
the gate on him.
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There was
only one entrance to it.
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They said, "Just let him go.
He can't get out."
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And he went past that gate
a half a dozen times,
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and he just drove
around and around...
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...and around inside the park.
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But eventually
it ran out of gas.
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He had a total disregard for
the law when he was drinking.
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Old habits die hard,
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but somehow he managed
to pick up a new one.
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There was, like, a couple
of 24-hour pharmacists
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there in Nashville,
you know what I mean.
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The drug of choice back then
was them Old Yellers.
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We'd go to the jam sessions,
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and Paycheck was always
up there playing bass.
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Well, we'd stay up
for three or four days
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just to get in tune, and then
jam for three or four more.
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Between the speed binges
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and stints in jail,
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Paycheck found himself
broke and homeless.
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Then he met a man
named Swamp Dogg.
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Umm...
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Excuse me.
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My song, I wrote,
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"Don't Take Her,
She's All I Got,"
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single-handedly
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put Johnny Paycheck
on the map,
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'cause he wasn't
nowhere near the map.
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That single did
a shitload of sales.
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People were buying
the hell out of it.
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We made a fortune
with that motherfucker.
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But, anyway, I digress.
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Paycheck had a way of destroying
hisself about every five years.
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I mean,
you could look for it.
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I mean any-- he'd get up, things
would be going pretty smooth,
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and then he would--
he would just totally--
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- he was hellbent on self destruction.
- Yeah, he did.
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He had a five-year cycle.
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- Yeah, he had about four of those.
- Yeah.
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Yeah, and was
clean-cut, you know,
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and then "Don't Take
Her, She's All I Got,"
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and he just as tame as-- doing
everything like a businessman,
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and then all of a sudden,
he put that hat on,
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and I thought, "Okay, the five years is up.
I'm going home."
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We was in Canada,
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and Paycheck got drunk
and rowdy in the hotel there.
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So, the hotel people
called the police on him,
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and they come down
and they hauled him off.
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Anyhow, we went down to get him out the
next morning and had to pay the fine.
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Paycheck didn't
even have a shirt on,
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had to go to court
without a shirt.
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and all hail the queen,
something like that.
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Paycheck went,
"Fuck the queen."
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I think Johnny Paycheck
was the real deal
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when it came down
to being a gangster,
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to being a thug,
and he could've...
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he could've been a Crip...
very easily.
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We just did things
the way we wanted to,
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and, uh,
somebody didn't like it,
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we'd tell 'em
where to kiss it.
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Johnny...
didn't take no shit.
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In October of 1976,
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Johnny released
what many considered to be
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the quintessential
outlaw country record,
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11 Months and 29 Days.
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This was a reference
to the length
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of his latest stint in prison
for check fraud.
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This charge earned him
a new nickname:
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Johnny Bad Check.
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A psychiatrist might
be able to figure out
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what caused
all Paycheck's troubles,
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but his friends have
their own theory.
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Paycheck was
a little feller.
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He was intimidated
by anybody over four feet tall.
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He had that little man complex.
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I guess he would have
a Napoleon complex,
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'cause he was short.
Hadn't been for that hat,
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he really would
have been short.
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Paycheck's longtime
manager, Ernie Stepp,
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had to stick up for Johnny
on more than one occasion.
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If I'm working for you,
and if it's any way possible
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without killing somebody...
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I'll do it.
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One time, we was coming
out of California,
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and, uh, John wanted
a-- a Big Mac.
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That's what he was wanting.
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He was coming down off
of drinking a little bit.
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I told the bus driver--
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I said, "John wants
a double-decker hamburger."
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Anyway, he stopped
at a truck stop,
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and that's where
we were gonna eat.
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I said, "No, uh,
John wants a--
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a different kind of sandwich,
a double triple hamburger."
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He said, no,
he's driving the fucking bus,
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we'll stop where he wants.
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John, he didn't come out of the back
of the bus for food, cops, or nobody.
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Anyway, I shot
the bus driver in the ear.
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First I hit him
upside the head.
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I got him down on the--
on that front seat.
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Yes, they're easier to shoot
when you get 'em down.
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Yeah, if you--
if you don't get
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the right kind of sandwich
for me, I'll shoot you.
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Ernie not only made sure
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Paycheck got
his double triple hamburgers
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and kept his
bus driver in line,
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he also guided him to the
biggest moment of his career.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
welcome, please,
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the fabulous
Johnny Paycheck!
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That was a classic.
That's his signature song.
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It went to number one, and the
unemployment rate skyrocketed.
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It was-- All of a sudden,
that's all you heard.
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It was like "Jingle Bells."
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It was the battle cry
of all the working people.
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John become
the working-class hero
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because that was
their slogan.
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The governor of West Virginia
decided to bring
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Johnny Paycheck in
to support the miners.
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It is blood that
has made Harlan County famous,
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blood spilled in some of the most violent
labor disputes in this country's history.
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People in these
mountains have guns,
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and violence on a picket line
is not unusual.
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As the strike dragged on
for more than a year,
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two miners were shot,
one man was killed.
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So they brought in, basically,
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an army of state troopers,
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and the state troopers lined up
and put a wall between 'em.
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And they said,
"If you come across the line,
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"we're arresting all of you,
and you're all going to jail,
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or we'll shoot it out with you."
And it was really tense.
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And all of a sudden, right out
in the middle of the road,
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Paycheck walking out there
with a guitar, and he goes...
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And this
crowd just explode--
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I mean, the coal miners
just go insane.
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He was their hero.
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John spoke what
they couldn't speak.
244
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He was the reason why
they got the contract signed
245
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and the scabbers went home.
246
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That was the only time
I ever seen Paycheck cry.
247
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Damn.
248
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For Johnny, the success
249
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of "Take This Job
and Shove It"
250
00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,000
had its highs...
and its highs.
251
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And the next thing I knew,
he was just a total cokehead.
252
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He was sucking a lot
of powder, a lot of it.
253
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We were driving down
the road in-- in the bus,
254
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and he'd run out
of cocaine.
255
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So he gets on the radio.
256
00:12:51,917 --> 00:12:55,500
He said, "Hey, out there,
breaker, breaker."
257
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He says,
"This is Johnny Paycheck.
258
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I want some cocaine
and don't care what it costs."
259
00:13:03,583 --> 00:13:06,667
So, here are
a couple of truckers,
260
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we're going down
the roads a way,
261
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and they were going
into a rest area.
262
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These guys brought it
back and handed it to him,
263
00:13:13,542 --> 00:13:15,125
and they said,
"Here's your cocaine, man."
264
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The cocaine they had,
I wouldn't give it to a dog.
265
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He said...
266
00:13:19,333 --> 00:13:20,583
..."Boy, that's
some good stuff."
267
00:13:22,458 --> 00:13:25,542
And he spent--
I know for a fact--
268
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$16 million up his nose.
269
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He'd just set there.
270
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There's nothing worse
than a hillbilly
271
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with a hit record.
272
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I was with him
one time when he said,
273
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"Don, let's rent a Learjet."
274
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And we flew 80 mile on the other
side of the job we was going to
275
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and had to catch cabs back
to where we was going.
276
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He couldn't handle success, if
you really wanna know the truth.
277
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Every time he was ready
to make it big,
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he would screw up. He walked
into, uh, a meeting in LA
279
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with the-- the heads
of Epic Records,
280
00:14:02,417 --> 00:14:05,208
and, uh,
I guess Paycheck got upset
281
00:14:05,208 --> 00:14:07,166
because they wasn't putting
enough money behind him
282
00:14:07,166 --> 00:14:08,792
or something
like that, but he--
283
00:14:08,792 --> 00:14:10,458
he just busted
in the door.
284
00:14:10,458 --> 00:14:12,333
"I'm a star.
I'm a giant star."
285
00:14:12,333 --> 00:14:15,500
"Bigger than Elvis." "I'm bigger
than country music itself."
286
00:14:15,500 --> 00:14:17,709
Johnny's friends
are quick to note
287
00:14:17,709 --> 00:14:22,041
that some parts of Paycheck were
not bigger than country music.
288
00:14:22,041 --> 00:14:24,208
He did like--
like to be naked,
289
00:14:24,208 --> 00:14:27,000
and why-- if you'd see
him, you'd wonder why.
290
00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,208
So small, he should have
been ashamed of hisself.
291
00:14:30,208 --> 00:14:33,875
I never heard anything about his...
teeny-weeny peenie,
292
00:14:33,875 --> 00:14:37,166
because I don't want 'em talking
about my teeny-weeny peenie,
293
00:14:37,166 --> 00:14:40,125
so I said shit. Uh...
294
00:14:40,125 --> 00:14:44,417
Clearly, Paycheck needed
something to make him feel like a man.
295
00:14:44,417 --> 00:14:47,291
He grew ten feet
when he was, uh...
296
00:14:47,291 --> 00:14:48,709
riding with the Hells Angels.
297
00:14:48,709 --> 00:14:51,083
Hell, the Hells Angels
298
00:14:51,083 --> 00:14:54,125
took care of Johnny
like he was a baby.
299
00:14:54,125 --> 00:14:56,917
They made sure
he never got hurt,
300
00:14:56,917 --> 00:14:58,417
and they took care
of that boy.
301
00:14:58,417 --> 00:15:00,291
Uh, you know, he liked
to play the role,
302
00:15:00,291 --> 00:15:02,458
like ride a big,
bad motorcycle.
303
00:15:02,458 --> 00:15:05,959
He got to be the badass
that he dreamed that he was.
304
00:15:05,959 --> 00:15:08,792
We played at the Cow
Palace in San Francisco,
305
00:15:08,792 --> 00:15:11,208
and Willie was on the show, and the
Hells Angels was all up there,
306
00:15:11,208 --> 00:15:14,000
and he said, "Don, hey,
307
00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,291
I think I'm gonna be a hitman
for the Hells Angels."
308
00:15:16,291 --> 00:15:20,041
I said, "You set your sights
pretty high, buddy."
309
00:15:22,333 --> 00:15:25,000
And here's the story
that goes with that.
310
00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,625
In Oakland, California,
federal and local police
311
00:15:27,625 --> 00:15:31,709
tried to round up members of the
Hells Angels motorcycle gang.
312
00:15:31,709 --> 00:15:33,333
Late in 1985,
313
00:15:33,333 --> 00:15:34,667
after wrapping up
a tour,
314
00:15:34,667 --> 00:15:36,500
Johnny Paycheck
kept the party going
315
00:15:36,500 --> 00:15:39,333
at a Hells Angels clubhouse
in Maryland.
316
00:15:39,333 --> 00:15:41,834
It happened to be
under FBI surveillance.
317
00:15:41,834 --> 00:15:45,583
Agents allegedly warned the
bikers about a credible threat
318
00:15:45,583 --> 00:15:48,333
by a rival gang
to blow the place up.
319
00:15:48,333 --> 00:15:52,208
Upon hearing the news, Paycheck
summoned all the courage he had,
320
00:15:52,208 --> 00:15:57,166
ran into the clubhouse and grabbed
a stash of Peruvian cocaine.
321
00:15:57,166 --> 00:15:59,542
He headed back home
to Greenfield,
322
00:15:59,542 --> 00:16:05,458
high out of his mind, with two suitcases
full of money and said cocaine.
323
00:16:05,458 --> 00:16:09,542
And he was looking for my
cousin Red Dog's daughter, Niecey,
324
00:16:09,542 --> 00:16:12,166
my niece,
who was 14 years old.
325
00:16:12,166 --> 00:16:13,792
And I said,
"They call her Niecey."
326
00:16:13,792 --> 00:16:16,709
I said, "Here in Greenfield,
we call that statutory rape."
327
00:16:16,709 --> 00:16:19,166
For
some reason or other,
328
00:16:19,166 --> 00:16:21,709
he had thought that I'd
been sleeping with Niecey,
329
00:16:21,709 --> 00:16:23,917
who was just like
a daughter to me.
330
00:16:23,917 --> 00:16:26,208
I said,
"No, that's bullshit."
331
00:16:26,208 --> 00:16:28,667
Somebody told me he was
coming over to shoot me.
332
00:16:28,667 --> 00:16:33,041
Attorney Rocky Coss has a slightly
different version of the events.
333
00:16:33,041 --> 00:16:36,041
Johnny claimed
the purpose of the visit
334
00:16:36,041 --> 00:16:38,834
was to come see his mother
before Christmas.
335
00:16:38,834 --> 00:16:41,792
He then decided to come look
for a place to get a drink.
336
00:16:41,792 --> 00:16:45,291
And so he drove down 72
down into Hillsboro,
337
00:16:45,291 --> 00:16:48,583
and the first bar that
he came to that was open
338
00:16:48,583 --> 00:16:51,125
was the North High Lounge.
339
00:16:51,125 --> 00:16:53,125
So he come in there
and he was talking
340
00:16:53,125 --> 00:16:57,333
to a couple of old boys that--
we all used to grow up together.
341
00:16:57,333 --> 00:17:00,208
Lloyd and Larry had both
been drinking that evening
342
00:17:00,208 --> 00:17:02,583
and had several beers,
maybe as many as eight.
343
00:17:03,917 --> 00:17:05,959
And you know,
they were certainly loose,
344
00:17:05,959 --> 00:17:08,583
you know, as many people
are that are drinking.
345
00:17:08,583 --> 00:17:10,792
Bowers wanted to meet him,
so he went up
346
00:17:10,792 --> 00:17:13,250
and initiated the contact
with Paycheck at the bar.
347
00:17:13,250 --> 00:17:16,041
"Hey, buddy, come here and let me
buy you a drink" and all that stuff.
348
00:17:16,041 --> 00:17:18,959
They was as friendly
as they could possibly be.
349
00:17:18,959 --> 00:17:21,291
Well, they didn't know
he was just totally...
350
00:17:21,291 --> 00:17:24,834
...totally
gone on his cocaine.
351
00:17:24,834 --> 00:17:26,875
Paycheck's version
of the events
352
00:17:26,875 --> 00:17:30,542
was that Larry and Lloyd
were basically crowding him
353
00:17:30,542 --> 00:17:33,542
and that Larry had
a bottle in his hand.
354
00:17:33,542 --> 00:17:36,375
He took that
as being a prelude
355
00:17:36,375 --> 00:17:39,792
to Wise attacking him
with the bottle.
356
00:17:39,792 --> 00:17:42,625
Attorney Ralph Buss,
lawyer for the Hells Angels,
357
00:17:42,625 --> 00:17:46,959
Johnny Paycheck, and owner and
operator of his own karate studio.
358
00:17:46,959 --> 00:17:48,709
Johnny was especially afraid
359
00:17:48,709 --> 00:17:50,458
of broken bottles.
360
00:17:50,458 --> 00:17:52,125
He had a tremendous acuity
361
00:17:52,125 --> 00:17:53,625
of imminent danger.
362
00:17:53,625 --> 00:17:57,542
Yeah, during that process is when
the hat exchange took place.
363
00:17:57,542 --> 00:18:00,500
Johnny was wearing
his Johnny Paycheck tour hat.
364
00:18:00,500 --> 00:18:02,917
Bowers had a--
I believe, a camouflage hat.
365
00:18:02,917 --> 00:18:05,667
Larry Wise is wearing
a Jack Daniel's hat.
366
00:18:05,667 --> 00:18:07,333
In Highland County,
I mean, people--
367
00:18:07,333 --> 00:18:09,041
lots and lots
of people wear hats.
368
00:18:09,041 --> 00:18:11,000
You know,
I wear hats quite often.
369
00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,083
Lloyd indicated
that he liked Johnny's hat,
370
00:18:13,083 --> 00:18:17,291
talked to Johnny about it, and
ended up they exchanged hats.
371
00:18:17,291 --> 00:18:20,709
It appeared to be a fair
and clean exchange of hats.
372
00:18:20,709 --> 00:18:25,333
I remember the hat was a big, big
deal to him and definitely a threat.
373
00:18:25,333 --> 00:18:29,083
Then shortly after that-- Wise,
uh, was a part-time taxidermist,
374
00:18:29,083 --> 00:18:32,375
and he said he had
a great turtle soup recipe
375
00:18:32,375 --> 00:18:35,417
and you know, he suggested
that Johnny might,
376
00:18:35,417 --> 00:18:38,041
you know, enjoy having
a meal cooked by Larry.
377
00:18:38,041 --> 00:18:41,583
Well, it-- really, Paycheck
was kind of hungry and--
378
00:18:41,583 --> 00:18:45,834
and Lloyd had said, "We got some turtle
soup out in the-- out in the truck."
379
00:18:45,834 --> 00:18:50,083
I heard that they had a little
disagreement on how you make it.
380
00:18:51,041 --> 00:18:52,834
Not, uh, "Was it there?"
381
00:18:52,834 --> 00:18:54,667
Or "Who had it?"
That's what I heard.
382
00:18:54,667 --> 00:18:56,875
Paycheck made the
comment that well, you know,
383
00:18:56,875 --> 00:18:59,667
made him sound like, "I-- they
thought I was some kind of a hick."
384
00:18:59,667 --> 00:19:01,500
That kind of
insulted Paycheck.
385
00:19:01,500 --> 00:19:05,041
Like, I don't know why that
would insult him, but it did.
386
00:19:05,041 --> 00:19:06,542
It was not intended
as an insult.
387
00:19:06,542 --> 00:19:08,083
It was intended
to be friendly
388
00:19:08,083 --> 00:19:10,166
and offer hospitality,
a unique dish.
389
00:19:10,166 --> 00:19:14,458
All right now, I gotta tell you, you
gotta go out and catch this turtle.
390
00:19:14,458 --> 00:19:16,333
And you cut him
out of the shell.
391
00:19:16,333 --> 00:19:18,166
Now, he must still be alive,
392
00:19:18,166 --> 00:19:21,625
but if he don't, you cut his
head off, take his guts out.
393
00:19:21,625 --> 00:19:23,583
He's still got skin
on his tail,
394
00:19:23,583 --> 00:19:26,834
because that's how they have sex.
A male turtle-- With their tail?
395
00:19:26,834 --> 00:19:28,542
Yeah.
I didn't know that.
396
00:19:28,542 --> 00:19:32,625
A male turtle has got
a dick in his tail,
397
00:19:32,625 --> 00:19:36,458
and the female turtle has got
a pussy in her tail.
398
00:19:36,458 --> 00:19:38,917
And he gets up-- Seem like you
know an awful lot about turtles.
399
00:19:38,917 --> 00:19:41,125
Oh listen,
I'm-- Here, I have fucked
400
00:19:41,125 --> 00:19:44,208
every kind of animal,
woman there is
401
00:19:44,208 --> 00:19:47,000
but a turtle, and I tried.
402
00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,875
I never had turtle soup, but
Johnny apparently considers this
403
00:19:50,875 --> 00:19:53,542
to be the third and final
insult and erupts.
404
00:19:53,542 --> 00:19:55,417
Gun is fired.
405
00:19:55,417 --> 00:19:58,417
It hit Larry Wise
right in the forehead.
406
00:19:58,417 --> 00:20:00,417
Thankfully,
he was hardheaded
407
00:20:00,417 --> 00:20:03,083
and kind of went around it
and it came out the scalp,
408
00:20:03,083 --> 00:20:04,750
and it goes through the hat.
409
00:20:04,750 --> 00:20:06,917
The hat flips off
onto the floor,
410
00:20:06,917 --> 00:20:08,917
and he started bleeding.
411
00:20:08,917 --> 00:20:11,917
It just barely
went under his scalp,
412
00:20:11,917 --> 00:20:14,250
you know,
wasn't nothing serious.
413
00:20:14,250 --> 00:20:19,291
Wise, fearing for his life,
runs out the door.
414
00:20:19,291 --> 00:20:20,959
According to one
of the witnesses,
415
00:20:20,959 --> 00:20:23,166
he was booking it
down South High Street.
416
00:20:23,166 --> 00:20:26,458
Johnny, for reasons
that no one knows,
417
00:20:26,458 --> 00:20:29,041
scoops up Larry's hat,
the Jack Daniel's hat,
418
00:20:29,041 --> 00:20:32,417
runs out the door
with the gun, yells at Larry:
419
00:20:32,417 --> 00:20:35,125
"Come back, Larry!" Said, "I
won't shoot you no more."
420
00:20:37,500 --> 00:20:40,458
Johnny gets in
his car and takes off.
421
00:20:41,500 --> 00:20:43,125
During that time,
he looked over
422
00:20:43,125 --> 00:20:46,166
and he saw the gun,
he threw it out the window.
423
00:20:47,542 --> 00:20:49,417
Drives back
to Larry Adams' house.
424
00:20:49,417 --> 00:20:53,542
Well, the hat is found
when the police search his car
425
00:20:53,542 --> 00:20:55,500
with an incriminating
bullet hole in it...
426
00:20:55,500 --> 00:20:57,750
...sitting there on the seat.
427
00:20:57,750 --> 00:21:00,583
Paycheck claimed he didn't
know how it got there.
428
00:21:00,583 --> 00:21:02,333
And the police went in...
429
00:21:02,333 --> 00:21:04,834
...and made the arrest.
430
00:21:04,834 --> 00:21:07,583
Paycheck needed money fast.
431
00:21:07,583 --> 00:21:09,458
Through his buddies
in the Hells Angels,
432
00:21:09,458 --> 00:21:13,500
he contacted Ralph Buss
to raise the $50,000 bail.
433
00:21:13,500 --> 00:21:16,041
I personally called
Johnny Cash...
434
00:21:16,041 --> 00:21:19,834
...and he answered the
phone as "House of Cash."
435
00:21:19,834 --> 00:21:24,125
And I said, "Mr. Cash,
I represent Johnny Paycheck."
436
00:21:24,125 --> 00:21:27,041
He says, "'The House of
Cash' is a misnomer."
437
00:21:28,125 --> 00:21:30,834
Then we contacted
Jerry Lee Lewis,
438
00:21:30,834 --> 00:21:35,041
who actually did
a fundraiser for Paycheck.
439
00:21:35,041 --> 00:21:40,291
We got a check ultimately
for $1,400.
440
00:21:40,291 --> 00:21:42,208
Somehow between
Merle Haggard
441
00:21:42,208 --> 00:21:44,166
and some of his other
Nashville cronies,
442
00:21:44,166 --> 00:21:45,792
Paycheck made bail
443
00:21:45,792 --> 00:21:48,125
and was finally released from county jail.
444
00:21:48,125 --> 00:21:50,458
On New Year's Eve,
there's a party going on
445
00:21:50,458 --> 00:21:54,041
at the Sunnyside Bar, which is about
five, six miles west of Hillsboro.
446
00:21:54,041 --> 00:21:56,667
There's
about 200 people in this bar.
447
00:21:56,667 --> 00:21:58,375
Paycheck shows up there.
448
00:21:58,375 --> 00:21:59,834
He walked in there,
449
00:21:59,834 --> 00:22:03,083
and he had a T-shirt on
that said "Kill 'Em All."
450
00:22:04,709 --> 00:22:08,041
As he's coming up on stage
there and putting the guitar on,
451
00:22:08,041 --> 00:22:10,083
some smart aleck
out there in the crowd
452
00:22:10,083 --> 00:22:13,041
went and busted one of the balloons.
453
00:22:14,667 --> 00:22:17,709
Two hundred people
dove under the tables.
454
00:22:17,709 --> 00:22:19,667
And somebody asked him,
said, "John,
455
00:22:19,667 --> 00:22:22,417
why did you shoot that guy
in Hillsboro last week?"
456
00:22:22,417 --> 00:22:25,125
He said, "'Cause the son of a
bitch had it coming! That's why!"
457
00:22:27,875 --> 00:22:29,834
And every one of those
people that heard that
458
00:22:29,834 --> 00:22:32,250
showed up in court
and testified against him.
459
00:22:32,250 --> 00:22:33,750
The trial was like
a three-ring circus.
460
00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:37,500
There was a TV camera.
There was a photographer.
461
00:22:37,500 --> 00:22:38,959
There are reporters
462
00:22:38,959 --> 00:22:41,125
from newspapers
from all over Ohio.
463
00:22:41,125 --> 00:22:43,917
And amid all that there were
some groupies, you know,
464
00:22:43,917 --> 00:22:45,250
you wouldn't
describe 'em as hot
465
00:22:45,250 --> 00:22:47,583
except that the weather was warm.
466
00:22:47,583 --> 00:22:49,792
The judge presiding
had one arm.
467
00:22:49,792 --> 00:22:52,875
He had lost his left arm
in a farm accident.
468
00:22:54,667 --> 00:22:59,458
The judge also had a tendency sometimes to
get headaches. He was sensitive to light.
469
00:22:59,458 --> 00:23:04,625
Uh, he was very-- very concerned about
sunlight coming into the courtroom.
470
00:23:04,625 --> 00:23:08,667
So he would quite often
on the bench wear sunglasses.
471
00:23:08,667 --> 00:23:10,458
Two pairs of sunglasses.
472
00:23:10,458 --> 00:23:13,125
Either prescription,
or he'd have a clip-on,
473
00:23:13,125 --> 00:23:15,500
and sometimes
he'd put on both of them.
474
00:23:15,500 --> 00:23:17,667
Well, Johnny Paycheck
walked into the courtroom.
475
00:23:17,667 --> 00:23:22,291
He really didn't make any effort to try
to clean himself up for the trial.
476
00:23:22,291 --> 00:23:24,291
His clothes didn't look good.
477
00:23:24,291 --> 00:23:25,625
His hair was long,
478
00:23:25,625 --> 00:23:28,458
and I would describe it as scraggly.
He had a beard.
479
00:23:28,458 --> 00:23:32,500
And it was much, much too large.
It wasn't trimmed.
480
00:23:32,500 --> 00:23:35,792
He looked dangerous
or close to psychotic.
481
00:23:35,792 --> 00:23:39,834
He had a curious resemblance
almost to Charles Manson.
482
00:23:39,834 --> 00:23:41,500
I went to court with him,
483
00:23:41,500 --> 00:23:43,500
and, uh, you know,
they went through--
484
00:23:43,500 --> 00:23:46,000
the prosecution went through
their little thing there.
485
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,500
And then we had-- we took
off like an hour for lunch.
486
00:23:48,500 --> 00:23:51,375
Well, me and him just went across
the street there...
487
00:23:51,375 --> 00:23:54,458
...at a bar and set there
and got about half drunk.
488
00:23:54,458 --> 00:23:58,208
Come back in, and he said, "You
wait till my attorney gets him."
489
00:23:58,208 --> 00:24:00,333
He literally believed
490
00:24:00,333 --> 00:24:02,500
that there was
gonna be 3,000 Hells Angels
491
00:24:02,500 --> 00:24:04,875
come riding over the hill
and rescue him.
492
00:24:04,875 --> 00:24:07,333
They was gonna bust him
out of the trial there
493
00:24:07,333 --> 00:24:10,667
on their motorcycles and ride
off into the sunset with him.
494
00:24:10,667 --> 00:24:15,166
So, Ralph Buss calls
Johnny to testify at his own trial.
495
00:24:15,166 --> 00:24:17,417
He felt that this would be
one of those cases
496
00:24:17,417 --> 00:24:20,458
where testifying was
a good move. It was not.
497
00:24:20,458 --> 00:24:21,583
He was so high.
498
00:24:21,583 --> 00:24:23,417
Well, during the
cross-examination,
499
00:24:23,417 --> 00:24:27,583
he was trying to portray himself
as a peaceful, nonviolent person,
500
00:24:27,583 --> 00:24:30,875
and yet he had an album
and a song called
501
00:24:30,875 --> 00:24:33,041
Armed and Crazy.
502
00:24:33,041 --> 00:24:36,208
This fact, combined with
Johnny's unusual behavior
503
00:24:36,208 --> 00:24:37,709
and appearance
in the courtroom
504
00:24:37,709 --> 00:24:40,166
had a not-so-surprising
effect on the jury.
505
00:24:40,166 --> 00:24:42,625
Things got progressively worse.
506
00:24:42,625 --> 00:24:45,041
Johnny's on the witness stand,
507
00:24:45,041 --> 00:24:49,375
and for some reason
he picks up this large gun
508
00:24:49,375 --> 00:24:52,542
that's laying there, and he
raises it above his head.
509
00:24:52,542 --> 00:24:55,000
And he does this
whirling thing with the gun.
510
00:24:56,291 --> 00:24:59,583
When that happened,
Ralph just went pale.
511
00:24:59,583 --> 00:25:01,792
It was all over. The end.
512
00:25:03,583 --> 00:25:06,417
My heart sank,
and I visualized him
513
00:25:06,417 --> 00:25:10,417
already wearing the handcuffs,
schlepping down the hall.
514
00:25:11,458 --> 00:25:13,917
About, um,
two and a half hours later,
515
00:25:13,917 --> 00:25:15,917
Johnny Paycheck's
found guilty,
516
00:25:15,917 --> 00:25:19,917
and he is sentenced to seven to nine
and a half years in Ohio State Prison.
517
00:25:19,917 --> 00:25:22,875
So the judge said,
"Okay, that'll be seven years"
518
00:25:22,875 --> 00:25:25,041
or whatever it was,
and as they're leading John off,
519
00:25:25,041 --> 00:25:27,083
and he said, "I'll be out
in two weeks!"
520
00:25:29,291 --> 00:25:32,709
And he went directly
from the courtroom to jail.
521
00:25:34,750 --> 00:25:37,250
When he was in the
Chillicothe prison down there,
522
00:25:37,250 --> 00:25:39,750
he somehow or another
got Merle Haggard
523
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:42,500
to promise to come up
and do a concert.
524
00:25:42,500 --> 00:25:44,291
They've asked me
to come out here and introduce
525
00:25:44,291 --> 00:25:47,166
this gentleman I've known
for about 25 years.
526
00:25:47,166 --> 00:25:50,625
I've been doing time
with him on the streets.
527
00:25:54,792 --> 00:25:57,291
He said going to prison
was the best thing
528
00:25:57,291 --> 00:25:59,709
that ever happened to him.
He said, "That saved my life."
529
00:26:04,166 --> 00:26:05,959
And it literally did.
530
00:26:07,959 --> 00:26:10,375
And it gave him, I think,
531
00:26:10,375 --> 00:26:13,625
the inspiration to do the best
song that he had ever written
532
00:26:13,625 --> 00:26:15,959
as far as I'm concerned...
533
00:26:15,959 --> 00:26:17,291
...was "The Old Violin."
534
00:26:34,208 --> 00:26:37,500
Yeah, it's really kinda--
kinda hard
535
00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:40,333
when you set there and write
your own funeral song.
536
00:26:49,041 --> 00:26:51,709
Yeah, yeah. All right.
537
00:26:59,500 --> 00:27:02,125
It makes me cry also,
just like they are,
538
00:27:02,125 --> 00:27:05,041
because you can't help
but love the guy.
539
00:27:05,041 --> 00:27:06,250
He was such a genius.
540
00:27:08,041 --> 00:27:11,375
I talked to him a few times
on the telephone before he passed,
541
00:27:11,375 --> 00:27:13,375
and I said, "Man,
I got some great songs.
542
00:27:13,375 --> 00:27:17,375
I'd like to come to Nashville
and... and do 'em."
543
00:27:24,375 --> 00:27:29,667
You know, Johnny Paycheck was a
pretty rough scoundrel and outlaw.
544
00:27:29,667 --> 00:27:32,208
He had good points
and he had bad points,
545
00:27:32,208 --> 00:27:36,041
but in the end, his good
points outweighed the bad.
546
00:27:56,375 --> 00:27:58,917
The last thing
he said to me was,
547
00:27:58,917 --> 00:28:00,792
"Hey, Gary,
I owe you one."
548
00:28:00,792 --> 00:28:02,959
I said,
"You don't owe me nothing."
549
00:28:07,542 --> 00:28:09,333
- Whoo!
- All right!
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