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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,876 --> 00:00:11,511 Now that I've shown you how to build a quote. 2 00:00:11,778 --> 00:00:15,448 I want to show you some example, estimates and in voices and show you 3 00:00:15,448 --> 00:00:16,649 how this all comes together. 4 00:00:17,550 --> 00:00:19,619 In this section, I've developed three sample emails. 5 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,690 And these are examples of emails I get every single day. 6 00:00:24,24 --> 00:00:25,725 So let's open the first email here. 7 00:00:25,792 --> 00:00:27,193 I'm going to read this out loud. 8 00:00:27,694 --> 00:00:27,861 Hiclay. 9 00:00:28,328 --> 00:00:31,464 My name is Brooke, and I am the art director at magazine. 10 00:00:32,198 --> 00:00:35,535 We are a magazine that features success stories of unique people around the 11 00:00:35,535 --> 00:00:36,102 United States. 12 00:00:36,503 --> 00:00:40,40 We have a success story feature in Gabriel stone and mixologist in 13 00:00:40,40 --> 00:00:40,674 Louisville, Kentucky. 14 00:00:41,74 --> 00:00:45,245 And we need one environmental portrait on location, preferably at a Bourbon 15 00:00:45,545 --> 00:00:45,712 distillery. 16 00:00:46,346 --> 00:00:49,315 We have attached a creative brief, which will provide a variety of 17 00:00:49,315 --> 00:00:51,951 examples and an outline of what we need for the image. 18 00:00:52,519 --> 00:00:54,387 Our budget is 800 dollars. 19 00:00:54,754 --> 00:00:56,423 We will also need hair and make up for gabrielle. 20 00:00:56,823 --> 00:00:57,390 Do you have any recommendations? 21 00:00:58,491 --> 00:01:01,394 If you're interested, let me know so we can move forward with production. 22 00:01:01,861 --> 00:01:04,597 I look forward to hearing from you and hopefully working with you. 23 00:01:04,998 --> 00:01:05,165 Thanks. 24 00:01:05,532 --> 00:01:06,833 Brooksmith, blank magazine. 25 00:01:07,233 --> 00:01:09,936 So the first thing we want to do is analyze this email. 26 00:01:10,503 --> 00:01:13,440 First, we have one portrait that we need to capture 27 00:01:13,773 --> 00:01:13,940 secondly. 28 00:01:14,274 --> 00:01:16,309 We have a budget of that one portrait. 29 00:01:16,976 --> 00:01:20,113 Third, we have hair and makeup that we need to take care of, or we need to 30 00:01:20,113 --> 00:01:22,15 make a recommendation as a client provision. 31 00:01:22,649 --> 00:01:24,351 This is also on location project. 32 00:01:24,651 --> 00:01:26,19 They want an environmental portrait. 33 00:01:26,252 --> 00:01:28,188 So I'm going to have to travel to this location. 34 00:01:28,822 --> 00:01:30,390 So that's something to keep in mind. 35 00:01:30,757 --> 00:01:32,759 In this case she's offered her budget up front. 36 00:01:33,59 --> 00:01:34,761 This does happen, but not often. 37 00:01:35,462 --> 00:01:38,431 And in this case, it's a little low for what I want to go for. 38 00:01:38,598 --> 00:01:42,102 There's a few questions we need to ask Brooke, will this image need retouching 39 00:01:42,569 --> 00:01:43,303 and color grading? 40 00:01:44,37 --> 00:01:45,605 And then also we need to ask her 41 00:01:45,939 --> 00:01:47,73 about hair and make up. 42 00:01:47,140 --> 00:01:48,808 She obviously laid out, do you have any recommendations? 43 00:01:49,876 --> 00:01:53,246 But in this case, we could take care of hair makeup and add it to the expenses, 44 00:01:54,14 --> 00:01:55,949 which we can make a little profit in that case. 45 00:01:56,182 --> 00:02:00,20 So I need to respond back to Brooke with a number that's higher than what 46 00:02:00,20 --> 00:02:02,822 she's budgeted for, to see if we can meet somewhere in the middle. 47 00:02:02,989 --> 00:02:04,958 And this is where negotiation comes in. 48 00:02:05,625 --> 00:02:08,328 So a pitch brook, 1300 dollars. 49 00:02:08,828 --> 00:02:10,96 We've included the hair and makeup. 50 00:02:10,330 --> 00:02:14,267 We've included the file transfer the delivery and also the retouching and 51 00:02:14,267 --> 00:02:16,636 color grading in this 1300 dollar number. 52 00:02:17,137 --> 00:02:21,474 So Brooke might come back and say, hey, unfortunately, we just don't have the 53 00:02:21,474 --> 00:02:22,175 budget for that. 54 00:02:22,175 --> 00:02:24,310 We do not have the wiggle room for that number. 55 00:02:24,911 --> 00:02:25,612 And so 56 00:02:25,712 --> 00:02:29,382 in that case, your negotiation might backfire, and Brooke might say, we've 57 00:02:29,449 --> 00:02:30,350 already found another photographer. 58 00:02:31,51 --> 00:02:35,288 But in most cases, they will say, hey, we do have that wiggle room, but it 59 00:02:35,288 --> 00:02:38,825 only allows us to go to around 1200 dollars, or in this case, 1250. 60 00:02:39,459 --> 00:02:40,360 So with some simple negotiation, 61 00:02:41,461 --> 00:02:42,495 I've got an extra 450 62 00:02:43,697 --> 00:02:46,199 out of blank magazine for this one environmental portrait. 63 00:02:46,599 --> 00:02:51,71 Although we have raised this budget to an extra 450 dollars, we have incurred 64 00:02:51,638 --> 00:02:55,675 some additional expenses, such as hair makeup and this retouching now. 65 00:02:56,9 --> 00:02:57,377 So you had to keep that in mind. 66 00:02:57,877 --> 00:02:59,346 Now we need to build our estimate, 67 00:02:59,779 --> 00:03:02,982 so we know that we have hair and makeup at 150 dollars. 68 00:03:03,450 --> 00:03:08,488 We know that we need file transfer, retouch, color and delivery at 100 dollars. 69 00:03:08,755 --> 00:03:12,359 And then I'm going to combine our creative feat and our license feat into 70 00:03:12,359 --> 00:03:14,260 a flat 1000 dollar fee. 71 00:03:14,894 --> 00:03:17,430 And the reason why I want to do that is because I want to keep this simple. 72 00:03:17,697 --> 00:03:19,299 We know that's an editorial assignment. 73 00:03:19,866 --> 00:03:23,203 So there's not much room we have here to license this photo out. 74 00:03:23,937 --> 00:03:27,407 So what I've done is I've provided a job description on our estimate. 75 00:03:27,874 --> 00:03:30,76 The job description lays out, as follows 76 00:03:30,510 --> 00:03:34,347 create one environmental portrait of gabrielle stone on location in 77 00:03:34,414 --> 00:03:38,251 louville, Kentucky, and convey the following license to magazine 78 00:03:38,651 --> 00:03:43,56 a non exclusive editorial and web collateral use of one image for one 79 00:03:43,156 --> 00:03:44,124 year from shoot date. 80 00:03:44,758 --> 00:03:48,261 What this license allows them to use this image for is both the editorial, 81 00:03:48,828 --> 00:03:49,929 the publication, 82 00:03:50,330 --> 00:03:52,165 the online publication, 83 00:03:52,732 --> 00:03:54,734 any blogs in social media. 84 00:03:55,68 --> 00:03:57,437 For one year from that shoot date. 85 00:03:57,871 --> 00:04:02,108 Remember that the reason why I'm being so lenient with this license is that 86 00:04:02,108 --> 00:04:03,543 this is not a commercial client. 87 00:04:03,877 --> 00:04:05,378 This is an editorial magazine. 88 00:04:05,779 --> 00:04:08,815 So this is the most basic version of what I get hired for in the editorial 89 00:04:09,449 --> 00:04:09,616 world. 90 00:04:09,949 --> 00:04:12,118 So now let's move on to something a little bit more complex. 91 00:04:12,652 --> 00:04:14,87 This is our next email. 92 00:04:14,254 --> 00:04:14,754 Hello, Klee. 93 00:04:14,988 --> 00:04:15,722 I hope you're well. 94 00:04:16,256 --> 00:04:20,126 I'm Katherine bell, the director of marketing at thread, a boutique fashion 95 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:21,227 brand based in Nashville. 96 00:04:21,561 --> 00:04:25,231 Tennessee, we are working on a complementary quarterly publication for 97 00:04:25,231 --> 00:04:26,199 our consumers and employees. 98 00:04:27,0 --> 00:04:30,670 Our goal is to deliver a positive message, feature colorful stories and 99 00:04:30,670 --> 00:04:33,907 promote fashion trends from the brightest up and coming designers. 100 00:04:34,341 --> 00:04:38,578 At the top of our list is Nashville based Marco delacroy, who rocked New 101 00:04:38,578 --> 00:04:40,814 York fashion week with his great color palette. 102 00:04:41,81 --> 00:04:44,284 We need an energetic fashion story of six looks from his new line. 103 00:04:44,584 --> 00:04:48,121 Although we are open to your creative ideas, we'd love to have this in a 104 00:04:48,121 --> 00:04:48,755 studio setting. 105 00:04:48,988 --> 00:04:50,757 Please let me know your rate and your availability. 106 00:04:51,391 --> 00:04:51,558 Best. 107 00:04:51,691 --> 00:04:55,161 Catherine, as you can see from this email, this isn't exactly editorial, 108 00:04:55,695 --> 00:04:57,63 and this isn't exactly commercial. 109 00:04:57,630 --> 00:05:00,900 This is an example of a fashion ran that's crossing those streams. 110 00:05:01,534 --> 00:05:02,168 Because of that. 111 00:05:02,168 --> 00:05:04,304 We need to change our pricing just a bit. 112 00:05:04,971 --> 00:05:07,240 I'd respond back to Catherine with a few things. 113 00:05:07,474 --> 00:05:11,378 I'd ask her those standard questions, how are these images going to be used? 114 00:05:12,178 --> 00:05:12,979 Do you need retouching? 115 00:05:13,613 --> 00:05:14,748 Do you need color grading? 116 00:05:15,215 --> 00:05:16,149 And then finally, 117 00:05:16,816 --> 00:05:18,351 what's your budget looking like? 118 00:05:18,752 --> 00:05:22,355 Kathe got back to me and said that she needs six images, and she needs the 119 00:05:22,355 --> 00:05:26,192 right to use them in the editorial story, in her quarterly publication, as 120 00:05:26,192 --> 00:05:29,229 well as the right to use them on our blog and social media. 121 00:05:29,629 --> 00:05:32,98 But in this case, Katherine wants these images in perpetuity. 122 00:05:32,899 --> 00:05:34,734 I cannot put a time period on this, 123 00:05:35,68 --> 00:05:39,305 so we have to charge a lot more money for this licensing fee because of that 124 00:05:39,372 --> 00:05:39,806 time period. 125 00:05:40,273 --> 00:05:41,775 So let me show you what I put together. 126 00:05:42,275 --> 00:05:43,610 We filled that estimate here. 127 00:05:43,610 --> 00:05:47,80 And the job description reads as follows create a variety of photographs 128 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:52,419 of one female talent on one shoot date in Nashville, Tennessee and convey the 129 00:05:52,419 --> 00:05:56,356 following license to thread a non exclusive editorial and web collateral 130 00:05:56,756 --> 00:05:58,892 use of up to six images in perpetuity. 131 00:05:59,959 --> 00:06:02,829 One thing to note here is that we have a new line of client provisions. 132 00:06:03,630 --> 00:06:07,0 Climb provisions are production costs that I won't be responsible for. 133 00:06:07,467 --> 00:06:11,71 So in this case, the client is to provide the talent, hair, makeup 134 00:06:11,538 --> 00:06:14,674 wardrobe, including the cost of wardrobe catering and production 135 00:06:14,974 --> 00:06:17,277 coordination, such as a creative director. 136 00:06:17,610 --> 00:06:21,281 And so the fees I've lined out is a creative fee of 1000 dollars. 137 00:06:21,614 --> 00:06:23,383 This creative fee will get me out the door. 138 00:06:23,717 --> 00:06:27,53 Thread is based on Nashville Tennessee, which gives me the ability to charge a 139 00:06:27,53 --> 00:06:29,155 little bit more for this creative feed than let's, say, louisvilleville, 140 00:06:29,456 --> 00:06:30,924 Kentucky it's a bigger city. 141 00:06:31,224 --> 00:06:33,727 Next up we have the licensing fee of 1000 dollars. 142 00:06:34,494 --> 00:06:38,98 And so because they want these six images in perpetuity, that's going to 143 00:06:38,98 --> 00:06:41,801 bring this licensing fee from, say, around a few hundred dollars to 1000 144 00:06:42,102 --> 00:06:42,268 dollars. 145 00:06:42,836 --> 00:06:44,671 That little difference is all profit. 146 00:06:45,305 --> 00:06:49,642 By giving her this perpetual license, I'm basically losing any sort of 147 00:06:49,776 --> 00:06:51,878 relicensing in the future from thread. 148 00:06:52,112 --> 00:06:55,715 I want to make sure that this license is priced accordingly, because I can't 149 00:06:55,949 --> 00:06:59,552 come back to Catherine and thread next year to renew this license for these 150 00:06:59,619 --> 00:07:00,20 same images. 151 00:07:00,820 --> 00:07:04,591 Next on the list we're charging for the first assistant at 200 dollars. 152 00:07:04,824 --> 00:07:07,861 This is going to pay for my assistant to come with me to Nashville, Tennessee 153 00:07:08,428 --> 00:07:09,396 and get the job done. 154 00:07:09,796 --> 00:07:12,32 Next, we're having to rent a studio in Nashville. 155 00:07:12,665 --> 00:07:14,901 That's going to cost me 800 dollars for the day. 156 00:07:15,135 --> 00:07:18,905 Next, we had the file transfer, retouch, color and delivery of six 157 00:07:18,972 --> 00:07:20,340 selections at 200 dollars. 158 00:07:20,573 --> 00:07:20,974 Each 159 00:07:21,307 --> 00:07:25,211 Jordan will be doing the retouch portion of this job, and he's going to 160 00:07:25,211 --> 00:07:27,647 be taking a percentage of this 200 dollars. 161 00:07:28,114 --> 00:07:31,484 But keep in mind, I'm going to be doing the file transfer, the color and 162 00:07:31,551 --> 00:07:33,486 delivery with each one of these images. 163 00:07:33,787 --> 00:07:35,622 I'll be making a profit from this expense. 164 00:07:36,256 --> 00:07:39,726 And finally, because I am traveling from Louisville, Kentucky to Nashville. 165 00:07:40,193 --> 00:07:43,697 Tennessee, I want to make sure I charge for my mileage and some miscellaneous 166 00:07:44,330 --> 00:07:44,831 travel expenses. 167 00:07:45,398 --> 00:07:47,634 This is the final estimate of 4500 dollars. 168 00:07:48,34 --> 00:07:51,204 So now we're going to send this over to Catherine for the signature. 169 00:07:51,705 --> 00:07:53,907 Now let's get to our third and final email. 170 00:07:54,274 --> 00:07:55,375 It reads as follows. 171 00:07:55,942 --> 00:07:56,910 Hey, clay, firstly. 172 00:07:57,310 --> 00:08:00,413 Thank you so much for the wonderful creativity and professionalism you 173 00:08:00,413 --> 00:08:01,481 brought to the table with thread. 174 00:08:02,15 --> 00:08:05,218 It was fun to watch you work, and it was a blast to collaborate with you on 175 00:08:05,218 --> 00:08:05,585 the future. 176 00:08:06,252 --> 00:08:09,856 With that said, I'd love to have the high resolution images to display on my 177 00:08:09,856 --> 00:08:10,23 website. 178 00:08:10,657 --> 00:08:13,693 Additionally, I would like to use one of the shots for a billboard in 179 00:08:13,693 --> 00:08:17,397 downtown Nashville to promote an upcoming fashion show where the 180 00:08:17,397 --> 00:08:18,264 collection will be debuted. 181 00:08:18,898 --> 00:08:20,600 Let me know if you need anything for me. 182 00:08:20,734 --> 00:08:20,900 Thanks. 183 00:08:21,234 --> 00:08:25,538 Marco delacroy, this actually happens quite often in the editorial world, 184 00:08:25,538 --> 00:08:27,140 where i'll be hired to shoot for a publication. 185 00:08:27,874 --> 00:08:31,945 And then the subject that I photograph wants to license those images to use 186 00:08:32,112 --> 00:08:32,846 for their business. 187 00:08:33,546 --> 00:08:37,484 This is a great example of how we can make some more money without taking any 188 00:08:37,617 --> 00:08:38,118 additional photographs. 189 00:08:39,152 --> 00:08:42,122 We already have a clear understanding of what this license needs to be, 190 00:08:42,188 --> 00:08:43,857 because Marco spelled it out in the email. 191 00:08:44,24 --> 00:08:46,993 So we're going to go right into our estimate and get this back over to him. 192 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:48,495 I'm in a midsized market. 193 00:08:48,728 --> 00:08:53,233 I understand that I'm not in New York or I'm not in LA, and so people in my 194 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,436 market are a little bit more apprehensive with limited licenses. 195 00:08:57,137 --> 00:08:59,706 So I want to throw Marco just a nice blanket license. 196 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,543 That's going to cover web collateral, which means he can use this on his 197 00:09:03,543 --> 00:09:05,378 website, blog and social media. 198 00:09:05,712 --> 00:09:09,616 And then I provide him with a local print advertising use of up to six 199 00:09:09,716 --> 00:09:12,18 images for two years from the file delivery. 200 00:09:12,652 --> 00:09:17,390 This type of license also protects me, because in case Marco blows up, his 201 00:09:17,457 --> 00:09:21,394 collection becomes famous, and he wants to license this image worldwide, he's 202 00:09:21,461 --> 00:09:22,896 going to have to come back to me also. 203 00:09:23,129 --> 00:09:26,433 If he wants to use this license after two years, he's going to have to come 204 00:09:26,499 --> 00:09:27,701 back to me and renew again. 205 00:09:27,934 --> 00:09:30,837 So what I came up with is a licensing fee of 2000 dollars. 206 00:09:31,371 --> 00:09:35,542 This covers billboard local print advertising as well as the web 207 00:09:35,709 --> 00:09:38,878 collateral license for two years of up to six images. 208 00:09:39,379 --> 00:09:40,914 Now let's say we send this over to Marco. 209 00:09:41,214 --> 00:09:44,784 And he's a little shocked that this is going to cost him 2000 dollars for this license. 210 00:09:45,452 --> 00:09:49,622 So one option is I can walk away, but I don't want to do that, because all the 211 00:09:49,622 --> 00:09:50,757 hard work is already done. 212 00:09:51,157 --> 00:09:55,28 There's nothing that I have to do from this point other than draft a license. 213 00:09:55,395 --> 00:09:59,466 So we needed to negotiate here, and Marco only has 1500 dollars to spend. 214 00:09:59,933 --> 00:10:03,470 So I'm happy to meet at that, but I'm not going to give him exactly what he 215 00:10:03,470 --> 00:10:03,636 wants. 216 00:10:03,870 --> 00:10:07,40 We need to change the terms of this license in order to meet there. 217 00:10:07,307 --> 00:10:10,510 So there's a few options I have here, and there's a few things I can change 218 00:10:10,577 --> 00:10:11,144 in this license. 219 00:10:11,711 --> 00:10:13,313 But in this case, I'm going to go with the time. 220 00:10:13,380 --> 00:10:16,516 I'm going to reduce this two year time period to one year. 221 00:10:16,916 --> 00:10:20,120 It'll still make Marco happy, because he can still print his billboard, and 222 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,122 he still has the option of using these on his website. 223 00:10:22,655 --> 00:10:26,92 But now he has to come back to me if he wants to renew this license for an 224 00:10:26,92 --> 00:10:26,760 additional year. 225 00:10:27,60 --> 00:10:31,64 So I haven't given you every answer about pricing, but hopefully I've given 226 00:10:31,131 --> 00:10:34,67 you a little bit of insight of how I price my photography 227 00:10:34,734 --> 00:10:35,535 when it comes to pricing. 228 00:10:35,769 --> 00:10:39,139 I'm no expert at it, and honestly, a lot of photographers are in the same 229 00:10:39,239 --> 00:10:39,406 boat. 230 00:10:39,539 --> 00:10:42,575 But I know that the more you do it, the more comfortable he'll become. 231 00:10:43,143 --> 00:10:47,213 In these three examples, I built estimates that are agreements, or contracts 232 00:10:48,281 --> 00:10:49,549 that are signed before the shoot. 233 00:10:49,783 --> 00:10:53,787 There is one final step after I deliver the images and that's sending an 234 00:10:53,853 --> 00:10:54,921 invoice or a bill. 235 00:10:55,155 --> 00:10:57,123 And this is how I actually get paid 236 00:10:57,457 --> 00:10:57,957 with an invoice. 237 00:10:58,258 --> 00:11:01,294 There's a few things that you need to make sure that are listed on this 238 00:11:01,294 --> 00:11:01,461 invoice. 239 00:11:02,95 --> 00:11:04,798 And so I've developed a sample in voice for you to see. 240 00:11:05,398 --> 00:11:09,636 Notice that there's a dative invoice, title of the project, description of 241 00:11:09,636 --> 00:11:12,305 the project, client name and contact detail. 242 00:11:12,972 --> 00:11:16,309 Then you need to have your own name, address and contact detail. 243 00:11:16,910 --> 00:11:18,511 You need to have the total amount owed. 244 00:11:18,745 --> 00:11:20,647 And then finally, the terms of payment. 245 00:11:21,147 --> 00:11:22,82 I shoot a lot, 246 00:11:22,515 --> 00:11:25,852 so it's really hard for me to keep up with who's payment, who hasn't paid me. 247 00:11:25,852 --> 00:11:28,21 So I use the accounting software, quick books. 248 00:11:28,588 --> 00:11:33,159 Quick books not only allows me to send out my invoices, but also allows me to 249 00:11:33,293 --> 00:11:35,61 keep track of my income and expenses. 250 00:11:35,795 --> 00:11:38,331 So if you're just starting in photography, quick books might be a 251 00:11:38,331 --> 00:11:39,632 little bit of advance for you. 252 00:11:39,799 --> 00:11:43,703 But if you're making over 10000 dollars a year, I highly recommend looking into 253 00:11:43,770 --> 00:11:44,471 that software. 22869

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