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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,841 --> 00:00:10,552 [SCANNER BEEPING] 2 00:00:16,057 --> 00:00:17,809 [SCANNER BEEPING] 3 00:00:18,393 --> 00:00:21,062 You know, we're told to eat healthy, 4 00:00:21,146 --> 00:00:24,858 to sort of shop the perimeters of the grocery stores, 5 00:00:24,941 --> 00:00:27,193 but I think what a lot of people don't realize 6 00:00:27,277 --> 00:00:31,614 is... this also may be the riskiest areas. 7 00:00:31,698 --> 00:00:33,700 [SOMBER MUSIC PLAYS] 8 00:00:37,912 --> 00:00:39,622 You know, when I look around, 9 00:00:39,706 --> 00:00:43,752 I probably see 10, 15 different items. 10 00:00:43,835 --> 00:00:47,297 The product's been contaminated, or I sued companies on behalf of victims. 11 00:00:47,380 --> 00:00:49,382 [SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS] 12 00:00:53,595 --> 00:00:57,182 [CHUCKLES] I've litigated plenty of cases of romaine lettuce. 13 00:00:57,265 --> 00:01:00,185 Cut fruit, you know, countless outbreaks. 14 00:01:00,268 --> 00:01:01,436 Cut cantaloupe. 15 00:01:01,519 --> 00:01:02,520 Strawberries. 16 00:01:02,604 --> 00:01:03,646 Caramel apples. 17 00:01:03,730 --> 00:01:06,274 Tomatoes. Onions. Cookie dough. 18 00:01:06,357 --> 00:01:08,068 The Similac infant formula. 19 00:01:08,151 --> 00:01:09,360 Lucky Charms. 20 00:01:09,444 --> 00:01:13,239 Chicken, you know, all these products are likely contaminated. 21 00:01:13,323 --> 00:01:15,325 [SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC CONTINUES] 22 00:01:18,078 --> 00:01:21,998 It starts to feel, though, like nothing is safe, and you can't eat. Right? 23 00:01:22,082 --> 00:01:26,461 Yeah, I mean, you know, the industry, they send us these mixed messages. 24 00:01:26,544 --> 00:01:29,130 They want us to buy their product, 25 00:01:29,214 --> 00:01:34,052 but they ultimately don't want to be responsible... for what they produce. 26 00:01:34,135 --> 00:01:35,095 Until I show up. 27 00:01:35,678 --> 00:01:39,432 ["ON THE BEAUTIFUL BLUE DANUBE" BY BALFE, EMANUEL & KOFSKY PLAYS] 28 00:01:43,353 --> 00:01:47,732 We have by far the safest food supply in the entire world. 29 00:01:47,816 --> 00:01:50,068 [WOMAN 1] The safest food supply in the world. 30 00:01:50,151 --> 00:01:52,278 Let's remember one thing, we have the safest food supply 31 00:01:52,362 --> 00:01:54,155 in the world right here in the US. 32 00:01:54,239 --> 00:01:57,325 [REPORTER 1] The FDA is investigating a hepatitis A outbreak, 33 00:01:57,408 --> 00:01:59,702 possibly linked to organic fresh strawberries. 34 00:01:59,786 --> 00:02:01,830 A multistate salmonella outbreak. 35 00:02:01,913 --> 00:02:05,667 Health experts believe it is linked to some Jif peanut butter products. 36 00:02:05,750 --> 00:02:08,378 [REPORTER 2] The recalls come {\an8}after at least two infant deaths 37 00:02:08,461 --> 00:02:11,798 {\an8}and several illnesses were potentially tied to formula. 38 00:02:11,881 --> 00:02:15,635 [REPORTER 3] A variety of brands of raw cake mix have infected 16 people, 39 00:02:15,718 --> 00:02:17,846 one of which developed a type of kidney failure. 40 00:02:17,929 --> 00:02:21,266 [WOMAN 2] We talk about our food supply being the safest in the world, 41 00:02:21,349 --> 00:02:22,517 and I believe it is. 42 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,437 [REPORTER 4] People reported getting sick, being hospitalized for liver dysfunction, 43 00:02:26,521 --> 00:02:29,440 and even having their gallbladders removed in some cases. 44 00:02:29,524 --> 00:02:32,068 [REPORTER 5] One in four pieces of raw chicken 45 00:02:32,152 --> 00:02:34,320 is contaminated with salmonella. 46 00:02:34,404 --> 00:02:37,115 [REPORTER 6] The CDC announced another E. coli outbreak 47 00:02:37,198 --> 00:02:38,449 is impacting romaine lettuce. 48 00:02:38,533 --> 00:02:41,911 We have the safest food supply in the world. 49 00:02:41,995 --> 00:02:44,038 {\an8}[REPORTER 7] Melons from a Colorado farm 50 00:02:44,122 --> 00:02:46,833 {\an8}are contaminated with what is called "listeria." 51 00:02:46,916 --> 00:02:49,711 [REPORTER 8] Every four minutes, someone is rushed to the hospital 52 00:02:49,794 --> 00:02:51,629 because the food they ate made them sick. 53 00:02:51,713 --> 00:02:54,716 We must continue to have the safest food supply in the world. 54 00:02:54,799 --> 00:02:56,092 Safest food in the world. 55 00:02:56,176 --> 00:02:57,719 [MAN 1] Safest food supply in the world. 56 00:02:57,802 --> 00:02:58,845 Safest food supply. 57 00:02:58,928 --> 00:03:00,597 [WOMAN 3] Safest food supply in the world. 58 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,851 [MAN 2] We have the best, most efficient, safest food supply in the entire world. 59 00:03:04,934 --> 00:03:06,686 By golly, we need to keep it that way. 60 00:03:06,769 --> 00:03:10,982 ["ON THE BEAUTIFUL BLUE DANUBE" BY BALFE, EMANUEL & KOFSKY ENDS] 61 00:03:13,359 --> 00:03:15,987 [NEWS THEME MUSIC PLAYS] 62 00:03:16,070 --> 00:03:18,948 [ANNOUNCER] {\an8}Now, live at 11 o'clock. 63 00:03:19,032 --> 00:03:21,910 {\an8}The warning tonight from health officials here in the Northwest. 64 00:03:21,993 --> 00:03:24,954 {\an8}They say you should be on the lookout for a life-threatening illness 65 00:03:25,038 --> 00:03:26,414 {\an8}that's cropping up in our area. 66 00:03:26,497 --> 00:03:27,665 Forty-five people are... 67 00:03:27,749 --> 00:03:30,668 [BILL] I actually remember this like it was yesterday. 68 00:03:31,252 --> 00:03:33,254 [SOMBER MUSIC PLAYS] 69 00:03:37,383 --> 00:03:41,804 There was an E. coli outbreak in the state of Washington 70 00:03:41,888 --> 00:03:43,973 linked to something unknown. 71 00:03:47,518 --> 00:03:49,354 {\an8}[MAN] The whole problem started 72 00:03:49,437 --> 00:03:55,318 {\an8}when a pediatric infectious-disease specialist called me and said, 73 00:03:55,401 --> 00:03:59,197 {\an8}"I've got 11 people who I've seen 74 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,826 {\an8}in about 30 hours with E. coli O157." 75 00:04:03,910 --> 00:04:06,621 I've never seen anything like this before. 76 00:04:06,704 --> 00:04:09,415 And that was a big red light for me 77 00:04:09,499 --> 00:04:12,210 that something bad was going on. 78 00:04:12,293 --> 00:04:15,713 [REPORTER 1] Seven new cases of E. coli poisoning were confirmed... 79 00:04:15,797 --> 00:04:17,924 [REPORTER 2] ...E. coli patients remain hospitalized. 80 00:04:18,007 --> 00:04:20,969 [REPORTER 3] There are 21 kids in Western Washington hospitals. 81 00:04:21,052 --> 00:04:24,430 Some experts say it's all about to get worse. 82 00:04:24,514 --> 00:04:26,683 [JOHN] We had no idea that it would be 83 00:04:26,766 --> 00:04:29,936 the largest foodborne outbreak in the United States. 84 00:04:33,314 --> 00:04:35,191 [SOMBER MUSIC PLAYS] 85 00:04:35,275 --> 00:04:37,235 [MAN] I had just transferred from active duty. 86 00:04:37,318 --> 00:04:39,570 I was a nuclear engineer on a submarine in the Navy. 87 00:04:40,863 --> 00:04:42,240 I had a wife. 88 00:04:42,323 --> 00:04:46,286 I had a nine-year-old son and a 16-month-old son at the time. 89 00:04:47,996 --> 00:04:52,208 {\an8}There had already been some news... Some rumblings about an E. coli outbreak. 90 00:04:53,084 --> 00:04:55,712 {\an8}But it didn't mean anything to me. I never heard of E. coli. 91 00:04:55,795 --> 00:04:57,255 "What's the worst that could happen?" 92 00:04:57,338 --> 00:04:59,882 E. coli poisoning is a fairly new illness. 93 00:04:59,966 --> 00:05:04,512 {\an8}Not much is known about why the bacteria causes some people to get so sick. 94 00:05:04,595 --> 00:05:07,890 Mr. Kobayashi, can you tell us, uh, the concern seems to be with secondary... 95 00:05:07,974 --> 00:05:12,687 {\an8}[JOHN] A big part of the outbreak was explaining what E. coli O157 was. 96 00:05:12,770 --> 00:05:18,484 I felt like I was, uh, Tony Fauci for a couple of weeks. [CHUCKLES] 97 00:05:18,568 --> 00:05:23,990 The average incubation period for most, uh, people is three to four days. 98 00:05:24,073 --> 00:05:29,412 {\an8}The problem is that it can take up to nine days before a person becomes ill. 99 00:05:29,495 --> 00:05:34,000 The mainstay of disease prevention, uh, for this type of illness 100 00:05:34,083 --> 00:05:36,878 is thorough washing of hands, uh, either when... 101 00:05:36,961 --> 00:05:40,882 E. coli is a general category of bacteria, 102 00:05:40,965 --> 00:05:46,095 and they're natural inhabitants of everybody's intestines. 103 00:05:46,971 --> 00:05:50,308 There are many, many different kinds of E. coli. 104 00:05:50,391 --> 00:05:52,310 Most don't do any harm at all. 105 00:05:53,353 --> 00:05:56,689 {\an8}But there are certain ones, like E. coli O157, 106 00:05:56,773 --> 00:05:58,441 {\an8}that can make you real sick. 107 00:05:58,524 --> 00:06:00,401 {\an8}[TENSE MUSIC PLAYS] 108 00:06:00,485 --> 00:06:02,195 Within a couple of days, 109 00:06:02,278 --> 00:06:07,700 {\an8}it became clear that it was linked to Jack in the Box undercooked hamburgers. 110 00:06:07,784 --> 00:06:11,371 More than 150 people have become ill after eating tainted hamburger meat 111 00:06:11,454 --> 00:06:14,374 at Jack in the Box restaurants in Idaho and Washington State. 112 00:06:14,457 --> 00:06:15,917 One child has died. 113 00:06:17,210 --> 00:06:19,962 {\an8}So one of the big problems with E. coli O157 114 00:06:20,046 --> 00:06:22,256 {\an8}is they produce what's called a Shiga toxin. 115 00:06:23,424 --> 00:06:27,095 They get into the gut and then start pumping out this toxin, 116 00:06:27,178 --> 00:06:31,474 and that toxin gets into the blood, and that will kill blood cells, 117 00:06:31,557 --> 00:06:35,269 and then those lysed blood cells end up causing organ failure, 118 00:06:35,353 --> 00:06:36,854 the kidneys to shut down. 119 00:06:37,980 --> 00:06:40,191 And that's how kids die. 120 00:06:41,359 --> 00:06:44,987 There are now more than 312 cases in our state alone. 121 00:06:45,071 --> 00:06:46,989 And today there was another death. 122 00:06:47,990 --> 00:06:51,035 So when the Jack in the Box case hit, 123 00:06:51,619 --> 00:06:54,831 {\an8}I was my fourth year out of law school. 124 00:06:54,914 --> 00:06:56,332 I was 34 years old. 125 00:06:57,667 --> 00:07:02,130 I got a phone call from a former client of mine 126 00:07:02,213 --> 00:07:06,426 who had a friend whose daughter, Brianne Kiner, was in the hospital. 127 00:07:08,177 --> 00:07:10,263 They asked me to go meet with them. 128 00:07:10,346 --> 00:07:14,434 She'd been hospitalized for, you know, four and a half, five months by then. 129 00:07:14,517 --> 00:07:17,311 There's so many mechanical things going on 130 00:07:17,395 --> 00:07:20,731 and wires going into her and tubes going into her. 131 00:07:21,274 --> 00:07:25,111 And I walked out of the room. I was crying. 132 00:07:25,194 --> 00:07:28,322 Because it was just really difficult, you know? 133 00:07:28,406 --> 00:07:31,075 It's difficult even today to think about, you know, 134 00:07:31,159 --> 00:07:32,827 Brianne in that situation. 135 00:07:32,910 --> 00:07:35,788 You know, she was... she was so vulnerable. 136 00:07:35,872 --> 00:07:38,124 And she just ate a freakin' hamburger. 137 00:07:38,207 --> 00:07:40,585 [TENSE MUSIC CONTINUES] 138 00:07:40,668 --> 00:07:45,047 The board of directors of Jack in the Box is ordering a full investigation 139 00:07:45,131 --> 00:07:46,674 into the deadly mistake. 140 00:07:47,175 --> 00:07:49,510 The investigators and the health department, 141 00:07:50,428 --> 00:07:53,806 {\an8}they were able to determine that my kid got sick from this other kid 142 00:07:53,890 --> 00:07:55,224 {\an8}at the daycare center. 143 00:07:57,101 --> 00:08:00,396 [REPORTER] Children's Hospital {\an8}is treating 18 children this evening, 144 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,023 {\an8}four of whom got E. coli 145 00:08:02,106 --> 00:08:04,609 {\an8}not from hamburgers but from someone else, 146 00:08:04,692 --> 00:08:06,194 {\an8}a secondary infection. 147 00:08:06,277 --> 00:08:08,196 [HEART MONITOR BEEPING] 148 00:08:09,238 --> 00:08:11,949 [DARIN] All of a sudden, there were two new doctors that came in. 149 00:08:12,450 --> 00:08:14,702 They announced that they believed 150 00:08:14,785 --> 00:08:17,371 he had developed what's called hemolytic uremic syndrome. 151 00:08:18,289 --> 00:08:20,374 Which essentially is, 152 00:08:20,458 --> 00:08:22,251 when it gets so bad, 153 00:08:22,335 --> 00:08:26,756 the E. coli basically was eating him away from the inside. 154 00:08:26,839 --> 00:08:29,509 That it was one organ after another. 155 00:08:30,718 --> 00:08:34,972 I remember saving newspaper clippings, thinking someday I'll be able to 156 00:08:36,599 --> 00:08:38,893 communicate with my son and tell him how... 157 00:08:40,603 --> 00:08:41,938 how brave he was 158 00:08:42,897 --> 00:08:45,775 and how proud I was of him. 159 00:08:48,236 --> 00:08:51,113 {\an8}[REPORTER] I'd like to introduce Vicki and Darin Detwiler, 160 00:08:51,197 --> 00:08:54,575 {\an8}whose 16-month-old son remains in critical condition 161 00:08:54,659 --> 00:08:56,536 {\an8}at Tacoma's Mary Bridge Hospital. 162 00:08:56,619 --> 00:08:58,371 {\an8}My question to you now is, 163 00:08:58,454 --> 00:09:01,374 {\an8}what are you prepared to do in regards to the tainted-meat problem? 164 00:09:01,457 --> 00:09:06,003 {\an8}First of all, we've got to make it clear to people who are providing fast food 165 00:09:06,087 --> 00:09:09,674 {\an8}that they've got to do everything they can to comply with our cooking regulations... 166 00:09:09,757 --> 00:09:12,677 {\an8}[JOHN] The regulation in the United States 167 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:19,016 {\an8}was that hamburger should be cooked to at least 140 degrees. 168 00:09:19,100 --> 00:09:20,309 [THERMOMETER BEEPING] 169 00:09:20,393 --> 00:09:22,186 In Washington State, 170 00:09:22,270 --> 00:09:28,067 we had changed that law to 155 degrees because we noticed 171 00:09:28,150 --> 00:09:31,529 that many of the people with O157 172 00:09:31,612 --> 00:09:33,948 had eaten poorly cooked hamburger. 173 00:09:35,366 --> 00:09:37,660 [REPORTER] There's been lots of attention on this story, 174 00:09:37,743 --> 00:09:40,246 {\an8}but I think there is still some confusion. 175 00:09:40,830 --> 00:09:44,208 {\an8}Was it undercooking or contaminated beef that caused the problem? 176 00:09:44,292 --> 00:09:49,630 {\an8}Barry, I think that some of that confusion has been probably from industry statements 177 00:09:49,714 --> 00:09:54,010 {\an8}trying to avoid some of the blame for this. The answer is both. 178 00:09:54,093 --> 00:09:57,722 {\an8}The company was not following the procedure 179 00:09:57,805 --> 00:10:00,933 {\an8}that was required by the state of Washington, 180 00:10:01,017 --> 00:10:03,227 {\an8}which the company said they didn't know anything about. 181 00:10:04,061 --> 00:10:05,646 [REPORTER] Do you believe, in retrospect, 182 00:10:05,730 --> 00:10:09,567 that Jack in the Box chose not to pay attention to certain things, like the law? 183 00:10:10,651 --> 00:10:12,570 {\an8}No, I don't believe that at all. 184 00:10:12,653 --> 00:10:16,282 {\an8}We would never choose not to pay attention to the law. 185 00:10:17,199 --> 00:10:20,620 Why... why would a company choose not to pay attention to the law? 186 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,748 [TENSE MUSIC PLAYS] 187 00:10:24,790 --> 00:10:30,296 [BILL] During discovery, they dumped on me about a million pages of documents. 188 00:10:31,047 --> 00:10:35,801 I am pretty confident that they thought that I wouldn't go through them, 189 00:10:35,885 --> 00:10:39,013 but we started finding things that were really interesting. 190 00:10:39,930 --> 00:10:42,391 An employee of Jack in the Box 191 00:10:42,475 --> 00:10:46,479 sent a letter in the suggestion box to corporate headquarters saying, 192 00:10:46,562 --> 00:10:50,691 "Hey, we're undercooking our hamburgers, and we're having customer complaints." 193 00:10:51,567 --> 00:10:55,196 And then you could see the real paper trail. 194 00:10:55,821 --> 00:10:59,325 Not only did they receive the new regulations 195 00:10:59,408 --> 00:11:01,994 from the state of Washington for increased cook times 196 00:11:02,787 --> 00:11:05,539 but that they actually thought about it 197 00:11:05,623 --> 00:11:08,793 and made the decision to essentially ignore it. 198 00:11:08,876 --> 00:11:13,756 [TENSE MUSIC CONTINUES, ENDS] 199 00:11:13,839 --> 00:11:15,257 Once I had that, 200 00:11:16,842 --> 00:11:21,764 I called up the lawyer for Jack in the Box and said, you know, "You're done." 201 00:11:21,847 --> 00:11:25,851 Jack in the Box now admits it misplaced a Washington State advisory 202 00:11:25,935 --> 00:11:29,897 directing that all hamburgers must be cooked at 155 degrees. 203 00:11:29,980 --> 00:11:32,483 Jack in the Box says it found the advisory when... 204 00:11:32,566 --> 00:11:36,028 As a parent, you try to protect your kids. 205 00:11:36,112 --> 00:11:40,533 And then something that's invisible comes along that you don't know about, 206 00:11:40,616 --> 00:11:42,785 that you've never even heard of. [INHALES] 207 00:11:45,246 --> 00:11:46,872 It's so devastating. 208 00:11:48,249 --> 00:11:51,919 Doctor says, "You're gonna ask about second opinion 209 00:11:52,002 --> 00:11:56,716 and third opinion, but there's zero chance of recovery at this point." 210 00:11:57,425 --> 00:12:01,178 That, uh, "There's been so much organ damage, 211 00:12:01,262 --> 00:12:05,182 and we're not able to get enough oxygen into him 212 00:12:05,266 --> 00:12:08,561 and that the amount of brain damage at this point, 213 00:12:08,644 --> 00:12:11,105 keeping him on life support any longer 214 00:12:12,565 --> 00:12:15,234 would be... abusive." 215 00:12:15,818 --> 00:12:17,153 Um... 216 00:12:17,236 --> 00:12:19,822 "It's just... it's not going to do anything." 217 00:12:21,323 --> 00:12:25,453 {\an8}I asked them to take everything off so I could hold him for a little while. 218 00:12:26,495 --> 00:12:30,583 {\an8}And I actually had to get Dr. Crane to come and... and check 219 00:12:30,666 --> 00:12:33,961 {\an8}because somehow I kept thinking that if I just held him close enough, 220 00:12:34,044 --> 00:12:37,465 {\an8}that his heart would keep on beating and that he'd keep on breathing. 221 00:12:38,257 --> 00:12:41,635 {\an8}[SAD MUSIC PLAYS] 222 00:12:43,095 --> 00:12:44,638 [MARION] Four children died. 223 00:12:45,181 --> 00:12:46,891 I mean, can you imagine? 224 00:12:46,974 --> 00:12:50,644 They died from a hamburger at Jack in the Box. 225 00:12:51,312 --> 00:12:56,025 If you're the parent of one of those kids, this is beyond your comprehension. 226 00:12:56,108 --> 00:13:01,655 And I have to say that E. coli O157 deaths are pretty awful. 227 00:13:02,198 --> 00:13:03,866 They're not nice deaths. 228 00:13:03,949 --> 00:13:06,911 [INDISTINCT BACKGROUND CHATTER] 229 00:13:08,412 --> 00:13:12,500 [DARIN] Jack in the Box lawyers met with us and offered us a settlement 230 00:13:12,583 --> 00:13:16,045 that included essentially a gag order that we could never talk about it. 231 00:13:16,128 --> 00:13:17,713 {\an8}And I had already made the decision 232 00:13:17,797 --> 00:13:20,591 {\an8}that there's no way I was gonna keep quiet for the rest of my life 233 00:13:20,674 --> 00:13:23,177 {\an8}about what was the cause of my son's death. 234 00:13:23,260 --> 00:13:25,513 I couldn't handle the idea of not doing anything, 235 00:13:25,596 --> 00:13:27,681 even if that meant that I needed to change careers. 236 00:13:27,765 --> 00:13:30,226 I am a professor and assistant dean 237 00:13:30,309 --> 00:13:33,854 focused on regulatory affairs of food and food industries... 238 00:13:33,938 --> 00:13:36,982 [OFF CAMERA] I teach about food safety and food policy as a professor. 239 00:13:37,066 --> 00:13:38,400 I teach grad students. 240 00:13:38,484 --> 00:13:44,281 I had to try to do something to prevent others from being in the same situation. 241 00:13:44,990 --> 00:13:45,991 {\an8}Good evening, everyone. 242 00:13:46,075 --> 00:13:49,453 {\an8}It's the largest personal injury settlement ever in our state. 243 00:13:49,537 --> 00:13:51,997 It looks like the parent company for Jack in the Box restaurants 244 00:13:52,081 --> 00:13:55,292 will have to pay millions of dollars for serving undercooked hamburgers. 245 00:13:55,376 --> 00:13:58,379 {\an8}Settlement is expected to cost Jack in the Box at least $10 million. 246 00:13:58,462 --> 00:13:59,839 $4.4 million. 247 00:13:59,922 --> 00:14:01,966 $15.6 million. 248 00:14:02,049 --> 00:14:07,847 {\an8}We're very confident that, uh, that money will be sufficient 249 00:14:07,930 --> 00:14:11,267 {\an8}to care for Brianne over the course of her life, however... 250 00:14:11,350 --> 00:14:14,478 [MAN] Bill Marler not only became the most important attorney 251 00:14:14,562 --> 00:14:17,690 in terms of handling lawsuits against the companies 252 00:14:17,773 --> 00:14:19,900 {\an8}that are responsible for those outbreaks, 253 00:14:19,984 --> 00:14:22,736 {\an8}but he's also become a much larger advocate. 254 00:14:22,820 --> 00:14:25,531 {\an8}I'm tired of visiting with horribly sick kids 255 00:14:25,614 --> 00:14:27,825 {\an8}who did not have to be sick in the first place. 256 00:14:27,908 --> 00:14:28,826 {\an8}I am outraged... 257 00:14:28,909 --> 00:14:31,203 {\an8}He has become one of the dominant voices 258 00:14:31,287 --> 00:14:33,205 in food safety reform in the United States, 259 00:14:33,289 --> 00:14:35,541 having started out as a plaintiff's attorney. 260 00:14:36,834 --> 00:14:40,796 [INTERVIEWER] Specific to Jack in the Box, how did the burgers get contaminated? 261 00:14:41,297 --> 00:14:44,174 [HESITATES] So, we don't know exactly 262 00:14:44,258 --> 00:14:48,554 how the Jack in the Box hamburger got contaminated, 263 00:14:48,637 --> 00:14:51,724 but, you know, generally, we know how it happens. 264 00:14:51,807 --> 00:14:54,059 [TENSE MUSIC PLAYS] 265 00:14:54,143 --> 00:14:56,979 It's usually in the slaughter facility. 266 00:14:57,730 --> 00:15:01,609 It's, uh, nicking of a gut of a cow during slaughter. 267 00:15:03,611 --> 00:15:08,532 But the whole meat industry was premised on the fact that the slaughterhouses 268 00:15:08,616 --> 00:15:13,704 and the beef packers could essentially do whatever they wanted to do. 269 00:15:15,581 --> 00:15:18,125 And it was up to consumers 270 00:15:19,752 --> 00:15:22,963 to cook the E. coli out of the product. 271 00:15:23,547 --> 00:15:25,799 [BIRDS CHIRPING] 272 00:15:27,509 --> 00:15:31,805 If you buy a piece of steak, that's a piece of meat from one animal. 273 00:15:32,765 --> 00:15:36,769 If there is E. coli, it's on the outside. It's not in the middle. 274 00:15:36,852 --> 00:15:39,855 So searing the steak would help kill that. 275 00:15:41,482 --> 00:15:44,985 The problem is that when you buy ground beef, 276 00:15:45,069 --> 00:15:48,489 you now take the outsides, and they're part of the insides. 277 00:15:49,907 --> 00:15:52,743 [TENSE MUSIC CONTINUES] 278 00:15:52,826 --> 00:15:55,037 Not only are you bringing all the animals together 279 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:56,872 and slaughtering them in the same facility, 280 00:15:56,956 --> 00:15:59,541 now you're taking chunks of multiple animals, 281 00:15:59,625 --> 00:16:02,044 and you're grinding them up into one big mess. 282 00:16:04,004 --> 00:16:08,717 [MARION] Hamburger, sometimes, is the result of mixing meat 283 00:16:08,801 --> 00:16:11,804 from as many as 400 animals. 284 00:16:11,887 --> 00:16:14,640 [CHUCKLING] Kind of awful to think about. 285 00:16:14,723 --> 00:16:18,936 If one of those animals has this toxic form of E. coli, 286 00:16:19,019 --> 00:16:20,187 you're in trouble. 287 00:16:23,983 --> 00:16:26,360 [BILL] In the aftermath of Jack in the Box, 288 00:16:26,443 --> 00:16:30,572 you know, people from USDA met with victims, 289 00:16:30,656 --> 00:16:33,534 and, you know, the Clinton Administration, to their credit, 290 00:16:33,617 --> 00:16:36,578 brought in people who were pretty activist. 291 00:16:36,662 --> 00:16:37,705 {\an8}Mike? 292 00:16:37,788 --> 00:16:39,999 {\an8}[BILL] You know, Mike Taylor being one. 293 00:16:40,082 --> 00:16:42,710 {\an8}We intend to reduce the risk of foodborne illness 294 00:16:42,793 --> 00:16:45,713 {\an8}associated with the consumption of meat and poultry products 295 00:16:45,796 --> 00:16:48,090 to the maximum extent possible. 296 00:16:48,173 --> 00:16:49,216 [ASSISTANT] Thank you. 297 00:16:51,010 --> 00:16:54,596 [MIKE] The official policy of the USDA was 298 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,851 {\an8}that this is not the responsibility of the regulatory system or the industry. 299 00:16:58,934 --> 00:17:01,145 {\an8}Consumers are expected to cook these products 300 00:17:01,228 --> 00:17:02,730 {\an8}and make them safe themselves. 301 00:17:02,813 --> 00:17:05,816 {\an8}The bottom line is that raw meat contains bacteria. 302 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,527 {\an8}And proper cooking kills bacteria. 303 00:17:09,570 --> 00:17:11,030 {\an8}[MIKE] To mothers that lost children, 304 00:17:11,113 --> 00:17:14,491 {\an8}to people whose families had been harmed by this outbreak, 305 00:17:14,575 --> 00:17:18,287 {\an8}that was, uh, a shocking and highly unacceptable revelation. 306 00:17:21,457 --> 00:17:25,711 We simply had to take action immediately to try to change the dynamic. 307 00:17:25,794 --> 00:17:29,631 And so I did make the decision that we would declare 308 00:17:29,715 --> 00:17:32,134 O157:H7 to be an adulterant, 309 00:17:32,217 --> 00:17:35,429 and raw ground beef in the marketplace would be deemed illegal, 310 00:17:35,512 --> 00:17:39,016 and USDA could take action to remove it quickly from the market. 311 00:17:39,725 --> 00:17:41,268 That was a big game changer. 312 00:17:41,351 --> 00:17:43,604 It meant that it can't be in the meat. 313 00:17:43,687 --> 00:17:47,066 If it was in the meat, you had to pull it off the marketplace. 314 00:17:47,149 --> 00:17:49,151 [TENSE MUSIC PLAYS] 315 00:17:50,986 --> 00:17:54,490 {\an8}You know, the rates that you see today are very minimal, 316 00:17:54,573 --> 00:17:58,786 {\an8}and you rarely see an E. coli outbreak involving ground beef, 317 00:17:58,869 --> 00:18:04,249 {\an8}so it's a strong argument of just how much those reforms had an impact. 318 00:18:04,333 --> 00:18:06,043 [TENSE MUSIC ENDS] 319 00:18:08,504 --> 00:18:09,838 [BILL] Thirty years ago, 320 00:18:10,380 --> 00:18:14,009 all the work that I did was E. coli cases linked to hamburger. 321 00:18:14,093 --> 00:18:16,512 [INHALES] Today, that's zero. 322 00:18:16,595 --> 00:18:18,722 I mean, it's a success story. 323 00:18:18,806 --> 00:18:20,808 [SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS] 324 00:18:27,481 --> 00:18:30,234 {\an8}It used to be the biggest E. coli threat was from hamburgers. 325 00:18:30,317 --> 00:18:33,445 {\an8}So you'd think, "Okay, as long as I don't eat hamburgers, I'm okay." 326 00:18:33,529 --> 00:18:36,198 {\an8}And the CDC with a warning this afternoon 327 00:18:36,281 --> 00:18:39,076 {\an8}about an E. coli outbreak linked to baby spinach. 328 00:18:39,159 --> 00:18:41,245 [REPORTER 1] {\an8}Health officials are warning consumers 329 00:18:41,328 --> 00:18:44,748 {\an8}to not eat Josie's Organics organic baby spinach. 330 00:18:44,832 --> 00:18:49,253 [REPORTER 2] Several cases of E. coli {\an8}linked to organic power greens. 331 00:18:49,336 --> 00:18:52,005 {\an8}[CHRISTINE] And now E. coli is 332 00:18:52,089 --> 00:18:56,468 by far, uh, caused by lettuce more than ground beef. 333 00:18:56,552 --> 00:18:58,679 {\an8}When you eat a hamburger, 334 00:18:58,762 --> 00:19:02,599 {\an8}the most dangerous part of that is not the burger. 335 00:19:02,683 --> 00:19:06,687 It's going to be the onion, lettuce, and the tomatoes. 336 00:19:08,355 --> 00:19:10,357 {\an8}- [BIRDS CHIRPING] - [DOG BARKS] 337 00:19:12,234 --> 00:19:16,530 {\an8}You know, I've had bad potato salad or something that was, you know... 338 00:19:17,156 --> 00:19:18,323 {\an8}Just food poisoning 339 00:19:18,407 --> 00:19:22,286 {\an8}was my idea of what a foodborne illness is. 340 00:19:25,455 --> 00:19:28,709 [CANDIE] Stephanie came to me, um, the morning we were leaving 341 00:19:28,792 --> 00:19:32,379 and just said, you know, that she was feeling a little... 342 00:19:32,462 --> 00:19:36,216 Having some gas and, you know, a little bit of diarrhea. 343 00:19:36,300 --> 00:19:40,888 But she just thought she was nervous, and we didn't think anything of it at all. 344 00:19:40,971 --> 00:19:42,890 {\an8}[CANDIE] One, two, three. 345 00:19:45,726 --> 00:19:47,019 [PILOT] Ladies and gentlemen, 346 00:19:47,102 --> 00:19:49,605 let me be the first to welcome you to Punta Cana. 347 00:19:49,688 --> 00:19:52,149 [CANDIE] When we got to the Dominican Republic, 348 00:19:52,232 --> 00:19:54,026 and we were at the resort, 349 00:19:55,611 --> 00:19:58,697 she felt like she was feeling a little bit better. 350 00:19:58,780 --> 00:20:00,073 She took a shower. 351 00:20:00,908 --> 00:20:04,411 But throughout the night, it progressed, getting worse and worse, 352 00:20:04,494 --> 00:20:07,956 and that's when I realized we needed to get some help. 353 00:20:11,335 --> 00:20:16,757 It was an absolute nightmare of tests and doctors. 354 00:20:17,466 --> 00:20:21,470 They kept telling us, "She'll be better. We'll give her these antibiotics." 355 00:20:21,553 --> 00:20:25,140 "She has this kind of bug. She'll be back at the resort tomorrow." 356 00:20:25,224 --> 00:20:26,558 [CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS] 357 00:20:26,642 --> 00:20:28,602 And then the next morning, 358 00:20:28,685 --> 00:20:30,896 when they let me go in to see her, 359 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,065 she didn't recognize me. 360 00:20:33,148 --> 00:20:35,943 She was... she was pulling at her hair. 361 00:20:36,026 --> 00:20:38,111 [REPORTER SPEAKING SPANISH] 362 00:20:38,195 --> 00:20:40,072 I'm like, "She's having a seizure." 363 00:20:41,073 --> 00:20:45,827 Her kidneys had stopped functioning, and she was having swelling of her brain. 364 00:20:45,911 --> 00:20:48,705 They made me leave, and they all rushed in, 365 00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:52,167 and it was just like from a bad... [CHUCKLES, SNIFFLES] 366 00:20:52,251 --> 00:20:53,460 A nightmare. 367 00:20:53,543 --> 00:20:54,795 Uh, the whole thing. 368 00:20:54,878 --> 00:20:57,089 The doctor pulled Candie aside in a hallway 369 00:20:57,172 --> 00:20:59,675 and said, you know, "You got to get her out of here." 370 00:21:00,259 --> 00:21:02,511 [INDISTINCT CHATTER OVER RADIO] 371 00:21:02,594 --> 00:21:04,805 I immediately went home and contacted, 372 00:21:04,888 --> 00:21:08,517 you know, over a dozen, uh, medevac, uh, operations 373 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,727 and found one that was gonna get her out immediately. 374 00:21:10,811 --> 00:21:13,272 {\an8}[BIRDS CHIRPING] 375 00:21:14,022 --> 00:21:15,941 [CANDIE] It was then that next morning 376 00:21:16,024 --> 00:21:19,820 that they found the Shiga toxins in her system 377 00:21:19,903 --> 00:21:22,823 to be able to say it was definitely from E. coli. 378 00:21:22,906 --> 00:21:24,908 They said, "She might not make it through the night." 379 00:21:24,992 --> 00:21:26,827 "Get your son back from San Francisco." 380 00:21:27,953 --> 00:21:31,123 A priest was there within a couple hours to give her last rites. 381 00:21:32,624 --> 00:21:33,458 [INHALES] 382 00:21:33,542 --> 00:21:37,087 [MAN] Stephanie's condition rapidly deteriorated overnight 383 00:21:37,170 --> 00:21:39,006 {\an8}in a very critical condition. 384 00:21:39,089 --> 00:21:41,633 {\an8}I think she had a few more hours to live, unfortunately. 385 00:21:41,717 --> 00:21:42,676 [CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS] 386 00:21:42,759 --> 00:21:46,888 It is a very scary, uh, situation where you have a perfectly healthy, 387 00:21:46,972 --> 00:21:51,226 athletic 17-year-old female that goes on spring break, 388 00:21:52,227 --> 00:21:54,688 and 48 hours later, she's dying. 389 00:21:56,982 --> 00:21:59,234 [SCOTT] Stephanie had an infectious disease doctor 390 00:21:59,318 --> 00:22:02,112 who had us, I mean, basically, "Collect what you can." 391 00:22:02,195 --> 00:22:03,363 "Talk to all her friends." 392 00:22:03,447 --> 00:22:06,074 "Go through her bank statements to find out what she ate." 393 00:22:06,158 --> 00:22:10,871 'Cause we're thinking whatever she... This may play a role in saving her life. 394 00:22:10,954 --> 00:22:12,122 So we were thorough, 395 00:22:12,205 --> 00:22:14,499 thorough to find out everything, you know, she ate 396 00:22:14,583 --> 00:22:16,668 over the, you know, previous week or two. 397 00:22:17,794 --> 00:22:21,923 Her friend who she ate at Panera with sent us a snapshot... 398 00:22:22,007 --> 00:22:23,050 [CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS] 399 00:22:23,133 --> 00:22:23,967 ...of a sign. 400 00:22:24,051 --> 00:22:27,387 It wasn't until then that we put two and two together. "Romaine lettuce?" 401 00:22:27,471 --> 00:22:28,847 [TENSE MUSIC PLAYS] 402 00:22:28,930 --> 00:22:31,183 [REPORTER 1] Dozens of people have ended up in the hospital 403 00:22:31,266 --> 00:22:33,060 {\an8}with possible cases of E. coli. 404 00:22:33,143 --> 00:22:35,896 [REPORTER 2] Ninety-eight people {\an8}from 22 different states, 405 00:22:35,979 --> 00:22:40,442 making this the biggest multistate E. coli outbreak in at least 12 years. 406 00:22:40,525 --> 00:22:43,695 [REPORTER 3] The affected region is Yuma, Arizona. 407 00:22:43,779 --> 00:22:45,530 - [BIRD CAWING] - [TENSE MUSIC STOPS] 408 00:22:46,656 --> 00:22:48,992 [WOMAN] Most of the lettuce that we eat in the United States 409 00:22:49,076 --> 00:22:50,452 comes from two places. 410 00:22:51,370 --> 00:22:56,124 It comes from California's Central Valley, and it comes from Yuma, Arizona. 411 00:22:58,168 --> 00:23:02,756 [BILL] The US is one of the top producers and exporters of leafy greens. 412 00:23:02,839 --> 00:23:06,802 So that means that the lettuce grown in Yuma and in Salinas 413 00:23:06,885 --> 00:23:08,678 is shipped all over the world. 414 00:23:10,389 --> 00:23:12,474 {\an8}We're in a global food system 415 00:23:12,557 --> 00:23:15,560 {\an8}where we're importing and exporting food all over the place. 416 00:23:15,644 --> 00:23:19,606 So problems that occur here can certainly be exported elsewhere. 417 00:23:19,689 --> 00:23:22,734 Bacteria don't care about borders. 418 00:23:22,818 --> 00:23:25,487 They don't care about import and export restrictions. 419 00:23:27,948 --> 00:23:29,658 [WOMAN] Consumers don't cook lettuce. 420 00:23:29,741 --> 00:23:33,036 {\an8}There's no way to control that risk in our kitchen. We eat it fresh. 421 00:23:33,995 --> 00:23:35,789 [DARIN] So there's no kill step. 422 00:23:35,872 --> 00:23:39,042 You can clean it, but you're still not truly killing. 423 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:45,882 [BILL] And "organic" only means that it uses less chemicals, pesticides. 424 00:23:46,675 --> 00:23:49,636 Organic simply doesn't mean pathogen-free. 425 00:23:52,764 --> 00:23:56,768 {\an8}Explain how we get E. coli in greens. 426 00:23:56,852 --> 00:23:59,396 {\an8}Right. So it's actually not the lettuce's fault. 427 00:23:59,479 --> 00:24:02,274 - [RACHAEL] That's right. It really isn't. - It's the livestock. 428 00:24:02,357 --> 00:24:06,611 [DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS] 429 00:24:13,034 --> 00:24:16,079 [LANCE] How we raise animals can fuel the growth of these bugs. 430 00:24:16,163 --> 00:24:18,331 So if we crowd the animals together, 431 00:24:18,415 --> 00:24:22,794 and you have one that's carrying a really bad pathogen like E. coli O157, 432 00:24:22,878 --> 00:24:26,131 then they can poop those bacteria out. 433 00:24:27,007 --> 00:24:31,136 And then, the shit from the cattle washes off 434 00:24:31,219 --> 00:24:34,514 into the streams or into canals, irrigation canals, 435 00:24:35,307 --> 00:24:38,477 and then those can be used to water these plants. 436 00:24:39,769 --> 00:24:41,730 You have this distribution system 437 00:24:41,813 --> 00:24:44,900 for these pathogens from animals to produce. 438 00:24:50,447 --> 00:24:54,034 [MARION] The regulation of animal waste is minimal. 439 00:24:55,494 --> 00:24:59,372 {\an8}We have laws on the books, but they're not enforced. 440 00:24:59,998 --> 00:25:02,292 That is an American scandal. 441 00:25:03,835 --> 00:25:05,837 [TENSE MUSIC PLAYS] 442 00:25:13,553 --> 00:25:18,642 [BILL] What got Stephanie sick was romaine lettuce grown in Yuma, Arizona, 443 00:25:19,226 --> 00:25:21,978 specifically in the Wellton Canal area, 444 00:25:22,687 --> 00:25:26,233 which happens to run right past the concentrated feedlots. 445 00:25:37,786 --> 00:25:39,871 Those are land-use issues that, 446 00:25:39,955 --> 00:25:46,503 I think, are the things that FDA, USDA, the federal government, state governments, 447 00:25:46,586 --> 00:25:48,880 Environmental Protection Agency, 448 00:25:48,964 --> 00:25:52,592 all of those entities haven't kind of come to grips with that yet. 449 00:25:57,889 --> 00:26:00,976 [LANCE] There are 15 federal agencies that in one form or another, 450 00:26:01,059 --> 00:26:03,436 are tasked with food safety regulation. 451 00:26:04,563 --> 00:26:07,107 [BILL] The USDA primarily deals with meat. 452 00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:10,110 They were at the helm of the Jack in the Box E. coli case. 453 00:26:10,193 --> 00:26:14,072 And the FDA deals with leafy greens, like romaine and spinach. 454 00:26:14,656 --> 00:26:17,742 [TENSE MUSIC ENDS] 455 00:26:20,370 --> 00:26:22,372 - [ASSISTANT] Go ahead. - [WOMAN] Nice to meet you. 456 00:26:22,455 --> 00:26:24,624 - Do you care which side? You pick. - [WOMAN] No. I don't. 457 00:26:24,708 --> 00:26:26,209 Okay, I'll sit over here. 458 00:26:30,589 --> 00:26:32,173 [GRUNTS] Great. 459 00:26:33,425 --> 00:26:34,551 [INTERVIEWER] Okay, we ready? 460 00:26:37,137 --> 00:26:40,890 What falls under your jurisdiction? What falls under your jurisdiction? 461 00:26:40,974 --> 00:26:42,475 Sure, I'll start. 462 00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:49,065 {\an8}USDA regulates meat and poultry products, egg products, and catfish. 463 00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:55,155 {\an8}And the FDA regulates, uh, all foods involved in interstate commerce 464 00:26:55,238 --> 00:26:59,701 {\an8}that Sandy didn't mention, so it's about 80% of the US food system. 465 00:26:59,784 --> 00:27:03,038 It's a large responsibility and one that we take very seriously. 466 00:27:04,456 --> 00:27:06,541 {\an8}The regulatory framework 467 00:27:06,625 --> 00:27:09,336 {\an8}we have in the world of food safety is pretty complicated. 468 00:27:09,419 --> 00:27:12,672 {\an8}Let's say you have a beef taco that's made in a restaurant. 469 00:27:12,756 --> 00:27:14,049 [KNIFE CLANGING] 470 00:27:14,841 --> 00:27:18,678 So the beef, well, that's a USDA-regulated food. 471 00:27:18,762 --> 00:27:23,099 {\an8}Cheese and any of the pico de gallo that's on top of that, 472 00:27:23,642 --> 00:27:25,852 {\an8}those are FDA-regulated foods. 473 00:27:26,603 --> 00:27:31,358 {\an8}All of the making of that taco, well, that's happening in a restaurant 474 00:27:31,441 --> 00:27:33,610 that's regulated by the local health department. 475 00:27:33,693 --> 00:27:36,321 So it's a really complicated process. 476 00:27:36,404 --> 00:27:38,281 There's lots of different fingers 477 00:27:38,365 --> 00:27:42,160 that can be touching regulatory on that taco. 478 00:27:44,746 --> 00:27:47,499 {\an8}When there's a foodborne illness outbreak, 479 00:27:48,458 --> 00:27:52,671 {\an8}no single agency is responsible. 480 00:27:53,672 --> 00:27:55,548 So there's a lot of finger-pointing. 481 00:27:56,341 --> 00:27:59,094 [INTERVIEWER] Ms. Eskin, does the USDA do anything 482 00:27:59,177 --> 00:28:01,221 on these cattle operations 483 00:28:01,304 --> 00:28:05,141 to make sure animal waste isn't getting into the irrigation water? 484 00:28:05,225 --> 00:28:11,064 We have no direct authority on any of the production pieces of food animals... 485 00:28:11,147 --> 00:28:14,901 We are doing the best that we can do with our authorities... 486 00:28:14,984 --> 00:28:17,612 We don't have that authority... We do not have authority... 487 00:28:17,696 --> 00:28:19,739 Authority we have or don't have... 488 00:28:19,823 --> 00:28:22,075 [INTERVIEWER] Feels like a gap in the system. Does it not? 489 00:28:22,617 --> 00:28:25,036 I think that's a question you need to ask Congress... 490 00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:26,579 That's Congress's decision... 491 00:28:26,663 --> 00:28:29,791 The inspection process has to be raised with Congress... 492 00:28:29,874 --> 00:28:31,000 It's not for us to say. 493 00:28:31,084 --> 00:28:33,920 It's really something that has to come from Congress. 494 00:28:34,003 --> 00:28:36,506 [INTERVIEWER] To your response that it's a question for Congress, 495 00:28:36,589 --> 00:28:40,635 would you support legislation that gave USDA jurisdiction on the farm? 496 00:28:41,261 --> 00:28:44,889 I'm not in a position to endorse legislation. 497 00:28:44,973 --> 00:28:48,643 As the regulatory body, that's not our lane. 498 00:28:50,395 --> 00:28:54,774 [INTERVIEWER] Mr. Yiannas, what is the FDA doing to solve the problem, 499 00:28:54,858 --> 00:28:56,860 and should consumers be satisfied? 500 00:28:56,943 --> 00:29:01,239 We believe that the FDA, as well as the entire food industry, 501 00:29:01,322 --> 00:29:04,325 the fresh leafy green industry, can and must do more. 502 00:29:04,409 --> 00:29:05,660 Let me stress, must do more. 503 00:29:05,744 --> 00:29:07,662 Growers have a responsibility, 504 00:29:07,746 --> 00:29:11,416 the primary responsibility to understand whether their products 505 00:29:11,499 --> 00:29:15,211 can be contaminated and take measures to mitigate those risks. 506 00:29:18,673 --> 00:29:22,427 {\an8}[TIM] My name is Tim York. T-I-M Y-O-R-K 507 00:29:23,219 --> 00:29:25,638 [INTERVIEWER] How should I title you for your position? 508 00:29:25,722 --> 00:29:26,973 Uh, CEO. 509 00:29:27,056 --> 00:29:28,391 - [INTERVIEWER] Of? - LGMA. 510 00:29:28,892 --> 00:29:32,520 LGMA stands for Leafy Greens Marketing Agreement. 511 00:29:32,604 --> 00:29:39,444 We were started in 2007 to, uh, ensure safety in lettuce and leafy greens. 512 00:29:39,527 --> 00:29:42,280 [INTERVIEWER] What are some of the more recognizable handlers 513 00:29:42,363 --> 00:29:45,116 that are part of the LGMA that we might know? 514 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,579 {\an8}Members of LGMA would include Dole, Fresh Express, 515 00:29:49,662 --> 00:29:53,500 {\an8}Ready Pac, Taylor Farms, uh, Organic Girl. 516 00:29:53,583 --> 00:29:57,796 {\an8}Those are all names you probably see on the retail shelf of packaged salads. 517 00:30:01,716 --> 00:30:03,551 [SARAH] The Leafy Greens Marketing Agreements 518 00:30:03,635 --> 00:30:06,805 were formed in response to the 2006 spinach outbreak. 519 00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:08,848 [SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS] 520 00:30:08,932 --> 00:30:10,683 Feds have a new warning about spinach. 521 00:30:10,767 --> 00:30:14,896 They want you to stay away from all spinach, not just the bagged produce. 522 00:30:14,979 --> 00:30:18,107 {\an8}We're talking about hundreds of bags of raw spinach out here. 523 00:30:18,191 --> 00:30:22,153 {\an8}Now, no one is eating raw spinach, and all of it is going in the garbage. 524 00:30:24,072 --> 00:30:27,283 {\an8}[REPORTER] This is the same deadly strain of E. coli 525 00:30:27,367 --> 00:30:29,744 {\an8}that we saw in the Jack in the Box outbreak. 526 00:30:31,663 --> 00:30:33,957 [TIMOTHY] The industry was terrorized. 527 00:30:34,707 --> 00:30:38,336 They worried that if this were to occur again and again and again, 528 00:30:38,419 --> 00:30:40,964 if they didn't get to the bottom of this problem, 529 00:30:41,714 --> 00:30:45,468 {\an8}that it would essentially destroy the California leafy greens industry. 530 00:30:46,135 --> 00:30:48,805 The spinach outbreak of 2006 531 00:30:48,888 --> 00:30:53,601 was a watershed moment for the industry because that was really the first time 532 00:30:54,352 --> 00:30:58,982 that we were aware of how our practices affected people. 533 00:31:04,779 --> 00:31:06,447 How do pathogens move? 534 00:31:07,448 --> 00:31:09,284 We look at a number of things. 535 00:31:10,869 --> 00:31:12,579 One of them being water. 536 00:31:15,373 --> 00:31:18,585 One of them being proximity to other operations. 537 00:31:20,128 --> 00:31:22,755 One of them would be the sanitation practices 538 00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:25,758 and how they handle machinery and equipment on the farm. 539 00:31:26,593 --> 00:31:28,595 [SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC CONTINUES] 540 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,397 [BILL] I think it's just been really a matter 541 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,734 of the industry sort of does a whack-a-mole. 542 00:31:43,735 --> 00:31:45,111 "Oh, we'll do testing." 543 00:31:46,112 --> 00:31:48,323 "Oh, we'll make everybody wear a hairnet." 544 00:31:51,242 --> 00:31:55,914 {\an8}But they just don't want to come to grips with the fact that the big problem is 545 00:31:55,997 --> 00:31:59,918 {\an8}cattle farms and feedlots in close proximity 546 00:32:00,001 --> 00:32:02,211 {\an8}to where you're growing leafy greens. 547 00:32:02,295 --> 00:32:05,214 [CATTLE MOOING] 548 00:32:05,298 --> 00:32:08,927 [INTERVIEWER] How often do your members test their irrigation water? 549 00:32:10,303 --> 00:32:11,262 [SIGHS] 550 00:32:11,346 --> 00:32:14,349 I don't honestly know the answer to that question. Um... 551 00:32:15,475 --> 00:32:20,021 Irrigation water is required to be tested on an ongoing basis 552 00:32:20,104 --> 00:32:22,941 to know that that is meeting our practices. 553 00:32:23,024 --> 00:32:25,026 [BIRDS CHIRPING] 554 00:32:27,654 --> 00:32:31,824 [BILL] You know, some of the work the LGMA has done has been admirable. 555 00:32:33,242 --> 00:32:34,702 But in my view, 556 00:32:35,745 --> 00:32:38,289 it's a way to make sure that the government, 557 00:32:38,373 --> 00:32:41,542 uh, doesn't enforce rules on them they don't really like. 558 00:32:41,626 --> 00:32:44,963 One of the ways to avoid government regulation is to say, 559 00:32:45,046 --> 00:32:46,464 "We'll regulate ourselves." 560 00:32:47,465 --> 00:32:49,467 [SPLUTTERS] I honestly don't know what action 561 00:32:49,550 --> 00:32:52,929 the government was potentially going to take if we didn't. 562 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,848 But the reason the LGMA was formed is 563 00:32:55,932 --> 00:32:58,977 because we could do that so much faster than the government. 564 00:32:59,060 --> 00:33:01,062 [TENSE MUSIC PLAYS] 565 00:33:03,272 --> 00:33:06,442 [MIKE] Who do you hold accountable for fixing this? 566 00:33:08,152 --> 00:33:12,281 The growers don't control the practices of the cattlemen. 567 00:33:13,449 --> 00:33:14,951 The cattlemen, you know, 568 00:33:15,034 --> 00:33:17,870 feel that they're not responsible for produce safety. 569 00:33:18,913 --> 00:33:23,334 {\an8}There's not enough impetus for people to break out of their silos 570 00:33:23,418 --> 00:33:26,629 {\an8}and say, "We've got to come up with a solution that figures out, 571 00:33:26,713 --> 00:33:29,966 how can you use vaccines to make this better?" 572 00:33:30,049 --> 00:33:33,928 "How can you adjust the cattle feed to reduce the E. coli?" 573 00:33:35,013 --> 00:33:38,516 And that... you know, my frustration is that's not happening, 574 00:33:38,599 --> 00:33:42,311 and people are getting sick, and that's, uh... you know, that's sad. 575 00:33:42,395 --> 00:33:43,730 That's disturbing. 576 00:33:43,813 --> 00:33:45,106 [TENSE MUSIC ENDS] 577 00:33:45,189 --> 00:33:47,191 [SEAGULLS SQUAWKING] 578 00:33:49,861 --> 00:33:52,071 [PHONE RINGING] 579 00:33:52,155 --> 00:33:54,574 [INDISTINCT CHATTER] 580 00:33:54,657 --> 00:33:56,367 [KEYBOARD CLACKING] 581 00:33:59,328 --> 00:34:02,915 [BILL] In my 30 years of experience doing this, 582 00:34:02,999 --> 00:34:08,212 most companies don't want to, obviously, see me show up at their doorstep. 583 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,049 You know, the Leafy Green Marketing Agreement, 584 00:34:11,132 --> 00:34:12,842 they're trying to do the right thing. 585 00:34:12,925 --> 00:34:16,596 They're just not going the full distance that I think they should go. 586 00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:19,682 [INHALES] You know, these outbreaks at Jack in the Box, 587 00:34:19,766 --> 00:34:22,060 they didn't intend that to happen, 588 00:34:22,685 --> 00:34:25,938 but I kind of put those folks in a different category 589 00:34:26,022 --> 00:34:29,984 than I would the folks from Peanut Corporation of America. 590 00:34:30,485 --> 00:34:33,529 [REPORTER 1] Food and Drug Administration is advising Americans not to eat 591 00:34:33,613 --> 00:34:36,032 any products made with peanut butter or peanut paste. 592 00:34:36,115 --> 00:34:38,701 [REPORTER 2] More than 500 people have gotten sick in the outbreak, 593 00:34:38,785 --> 00:34:41,954 and at least eight may have died as a result of salmonella infection. 594 00:34:42,580 --> 00:34:45,416 {\an8}[BILL] This was an enormous salmonella outbreak. 595 00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:47,627 [REPORTER 3] Officials are focusing on peanut products 596 00:34:47,710 --> 00:34:52,048 {\an8}produced by this Georgia plant owned by Peanut Corporation of America. 597 00:34:54,133 --> 00:34:58,221 {\an8}[MIKE] The Peanut Corporation of America was a major peanut product producer. 598 00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:02,683 They provided peanut paste and peanut products 599 00:35:02,767 --> 00:35:07,063 to hundreds of different major brands in the United States. 600 00:35:07,146 --> 00:35:09,357 [MAN] Chips Deluxe {\an8}with peanut butter cups. 601 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,234 - [BOY] Peanut butter cups? No way. - [MAN] Way. 602 00:35:12,652 --> 00:35:13,903 [INSECTS CHIRPING] 603 00:35:13,986 --> 00:35:17,782 {\an8}I started working at Peanut Corp in July 2006. 604 00:35:17,865 --> 00:35:21,244 {\an8}I could tell things were going to go bad. 605 00:35:22,036 --> 00:35:24,789 - [TENSE MUSIC PLAYS] - [SLIDE PROJECTOR CLICKING] 606 00:35:24,872 --> 00:35:28,292 The things that had concerned me were, number one, the roof leak. 607 00:35:28,918 --> 00:35:31,379 Because that washes in bird crap, 608 00:35:32,046 --> 00:35:35,424 which can bring in a whole host of disease into the plant. 609 00:35:37,927 --> 00:35:42,431 And the pest control person that brought in to my attention the mice problem. 610 00:35:43,683 --> 00:35:47,186 [MAN] There are some rats, uh, and they're still alive. 611 00:35:48,938 --> 00:35:51,482 {\an8}[KENNETH] The first time I had brought up, uh, concerns 612 00:35:51,566 --> 00:35:53,234 {\an8}to Stewart Parnell, the owner, 613 00:35:53,943 --> 00:35:56,362 he told me to shut up and not worry about it, 614 00:35:56,445 --> 00:36:00,867 that they had recall insurance and just go on doing my job. 615 00:36:01,659 --> 00:36:06,664 {\an8}Stewart Parnell not only grossly underestimated 616 00:36:07,456 --> 00:36:10,918 food safety as a CEO of a food company, 617 00:36:11,794 --> 00:36:15,298 but he blatantly and even flagrantly 618 00:36:16,632 --> 00:36:17,633 just didn't care. 619 00:36:18,176 --> 00:36:21,637 [MAN] And here we have another live rat. 620 00:36:21,721 --> 00:36:22,763 [RAT SQUEAKING] 621 00:36:23,973 --> 00:36:29,353 [BILL] Ultimately, what happened was that some of the large companies 622 00:36:29,437 --> 00:36:33,900 that were getting their product from PCA had requirements, 623 00:36:33,983 --> 00:36:37,904 contractual requirements to test the product before it was shipped. 624 00:36:38,613 --> 00:36:42,450 And they were supposed to give those companies a piece of paper 625 00:36:42,533 --> 00:36:46,829 called a certificate of analysis that said the product was tested 626 00:36:46,913 --> 00:36:50,333 {\an8}and it's free of pathogens or likely free of pathogens. 627 00:36:50,416 --> 00:36:52,126 {\an8}[MARION] And lo and behold, 628 00:36:52,210 --> 00:36:56,380 they had a test that came out positive for the toxic salmonella. 629 00:36:57,048 --> 00:36:59,258 Well, what they ended up doing 630 00:36:59,342 --> 00:37:02,261 was retesting until they got a negative test. 631 00:37:03,471 --> 00:37:07,016 [BILL] Then it got to the point where all of them were positive, 632 00:37:08,267 --> 00:37:11,562 and then they just started forging the certificates of analysis, 633 00:37:11,646 --> 00:37:13,022 saying they were negative. 634 00:37:14,482 --> 00:37:16,108 [DARIN] The QA manager, 635 00:37:16,192 --> 00:37:19,320 there's a reason why she has the nickname "the Queen of Liquid Paper." 636 00:37:20,488 --> 00:37:22,782 If they didn't have the results that they needed, 637 00:37:22,865 --> 00:37:24,617 they would literally take old results, 638 00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:27,620 Liquid Paper over the date, and change the date 639 00:37:27,703 --> 00:37:29,580 to make it look like it's a more recent date. 640 00:37:30,831 --> 00:37:36,545 Stewart Parnell told the manager in an email to ship the peanut mill. 641 00:37:37,213 --> 00:37:39,090 And the manager said, 642 00:37:39,173 --> 00:37:44,470 "Well, I've got to spray off the rat shit and dirt before I can do anything." 643 00:37:44,553 --> 00:37:47,890 {\an8}Stewart said, "Well, then clean it up and ship it." 644 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,602 There were lots of emails. 645 00:37:51,686 --> 00:37:53,688 [KEYBOARD CLACKING] 646 00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,861 And they had emails from the heads of the company saying, 647 00:38:00,945 --> 00:38:03,447 "Oh, you've got a positive salmonella test." 648 00:38:03,531 --> 00:38:04,615 "Ship it out anyway." 649 00:38:08,953 --> 00:38:13,165 A salmonella outbreak involving products made with peanut butter is worsening. 650 00:38:13,249 --> 00:38:14,750 These were recalled too. 651 00:38:14,834 --> 00:38:19,005 {\an8}The list of items is so long, Campbell, I can't even read them all right now. 652 00:38:19,088 --> 00:38:22,717 {\an8}[BILL] It was over 3,000, almost 4,000, 653 00:38:23,217 --> 00:38:26,095 {\an8}different products got recalled. 654 00:38:26,804 --> 00:38:29,932 [MAN] Here we go with another pallet. I think this is number six. 655 00:38:34,312 --> 00:38:35,396 It's still sealed. 656 00:38:35,479 --> 00:38:38,274 I emailed the Texas Department of Agriculture, 657 00:38:38,357 --> 00:38:39,650 the FDA. 658 00:38:39,734 --> 00:38:42,069 I... I must have sent a hundred emails. 659 00:38:42,153 --> 00:38:44,572 [REPORTER] Product recalls continue mounting. 660 00:38:45,823 --> 00:38:48,617 Nobody else was gonna stop them from killing people. 661 00:38:50,578 --> 00:38:52,204 So somebody had to step up. 662 00:38:53,914 --> 00:38:55,458 He went to the federal government 663 00:38:55,541 --> 00:38:58,294 and started, you know, saying how bad the plant was. 664 00:38:58,377 --> 00:39:01,922 {\an8}The White House today called the plant's performance alarming 665 00:39:02,006 --> 00:39:05,301 {\an8}and promised tougher regulation over America's food supply. 666 00:39:05,384 --> 00:39:09,555 {\an8}At bare minimum, we should be able to count on our government 667 00:39:09,638 --> 00:39:11,974 {\an8}keeping our kids safe when they eat peanut butter. 668 00:39:12,058 --> 00:39:15,936 {\an8}That's what Sasha eats for, uh... for lunch probably three times a week. 669 00:39:17,396 --> 00:39:19,148 {\an8}[REPRESENTATIVE] Mr. Parnell, Mr. Lightsey, 670 00:39:19,231 --> 00:39:21,150 {\an8}let me just cut to the chase then. 671 00:39:21,776 --> 00:39:26,238 {\an8}In this container are products that have your ingredients in them. 672 00:39:26,322 --> 00:39:29,325 {\an8}I just wonder, would either of you be willing to take the lid off 673 00:39:29,408 --> 00:39:31,410 {\an8}and eat any of these products now? 674 00:39:31,911 --> 00:39:33,871 {\an8}Mr. Chairman, and members of the committee, 675 00:39:33,954 --> 00:39:35,456 {\an8}on the advice of my counsel, 676 00:39:35,539 --> 00:39:37,416 {\an8}I respectfully decline to answer your question 677 00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:40,378 {\an8}based on the protection afforded me under the United States Constitution. 678 00:39:40,461 --> 00:39:41,712 {\an8}[GREG] You're dismissed. 679 00:39:43,422 --> 00:39:49,261 {\an8}Sometimes manufacturers of food don't really think of it as food. 680 00:39:49,345 --> 00:39:51,764 It becomes a... a commodity. 681 00:39:51,847 --> 00:39:55,351 So they don't think about it in the sense of, "Oh, my goodness, 682 00:39:55,434 --> 00:39:58,771 this is going to go into somebody's mouth and into their stomach." 683 00:39:58,854 --> 00:40:02,108 {\an8}My father was a highly decorated Korean War veteran 684 00:40:02,191 --> 00:40:04,735 {\an8}and was awarded three Purple Hearts for his valor. 685 00:40:04,819 --> 00:40:08,948 {\an8}His final battle occurred when he ate some contaminated peanut butter from PCA. 686 00:40:09,532 --> 00:40:12,368 {\an8}[CHRISTINE] When you spend time with these victims and speak with them, 687 00:40:12,451 --> 00:40:13,828 they don't get over it. 688 00:40:13,911 --> 00:40:15,830 It's not a natural form of grief 689 00:40:15,913 --> 00:40:19,875 when someone you love dies from, um, a bunch of peanut butter crackers. 690 00:40:19,959 --> 00:40:23,462 {\an8}Our family feels cheated. My mom should be here today. 691 00:40:24,380 --> 00:40:27,007 {\an8}[TIMOTHY] The FDA partnered with the Department of Justice, 692 00:40:27,091 --> 00:40:30,886 {\an8}and they brought felony counts against Stewart Parnell and his associates 693 00:40:30,970 --> 00:40:34,515 {\an8}for knowingly and intentionally shipping contaminated products 694 00:40:34,598 --> 00:40:37,810 {\an8}that had toxic salmonella into the stream of commerce. 695 00:40:38,644 --> 00:40:41,188 [REPORTER 1] Stewart Parnell, he is sentenced yesterday 696 00:40:41,272 --> 00:40:44,108 to 28 years behind bars. 697 00:40:44,191 --> 00:40:45,818 {\an8}[REPORTER 2] Eight people died, sir. 698 00:40:45,901 --> 00:40:48,362 {\an8}Do you have anything to say to their families? 699 00:40:48,446 --> 00:40:51,907 {\an8}[KENNETH] It doesn't bother him to this day because he's still appealing. 700 00:40:52,408 --> 00:40:54,618 "Murdering people is okay." 701 00:40:54,702 --> 00:40:56,620 And I'm sorry. I call this murder. 702 00:40:56,704 --> 00:40:59,373 He knew that there was salmonella in there. 703 00:40:59,457 --> 00:41:00,833 So, you know, Stewart, 704 00:41:00,916 --> 00:41:04,044 why would you ship that knowing you could kill people? 705 00:41:04,128 --> 00:41:05,796 Explain to the families. 706 00:41:07,131 --> 00:41:11,469 Criminal prosecution is appropriate when it comes to really bad actors. 707 00:41:11,552 --> 00:41:15,764 People like Stewart Parnell, who knowingly sold contaminated product, 708 00:41:15,848 --> 00:41:18,642 or Jack DeCoster, the Egg King. 709 00:41:19,477 --> 00:41:21,687 [REPORTER 1] Salmonella outbreaks {\an8}sickening hundreds 710 00:41:21,770 --> 00:41:23,564 {\an8}have led to a national egg recall. 711 00:41:23,647 --> 00:41:26,567 [REPORTER 2] The numbers are enough {\an8}to give anyone shell shock. 712 00:41:26,650 --> 00:41:30,070 {\an8}The recall has grown to more than 500 million eggs 713 00:41:30,154 --> 00:41:31,989 {\an8}from just two farms in Iowa. 714 00:41:32,072 --> 00:41:35,493 {\an8}The chairman and owner, Austin Jack DeCoster. 715 00:41:36,660 --> 00:41:38,579 {\an8}[CHRISTINE] Jack DeCoster is a businessman 716 00:41:38,662 --> 00:41:41,874 {\an8}who's been in the farming industry for easily 50 years. 717 00:41:41,957 --> 00:41:45,377 And in place after place and time after time, 718 00:41:45,461 --> 00:41:47,796 he has run filthy farms. 719 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,882 {\an8}[CHICKENS CLUCKING] 720 00:41:51,175 --> 00:41:55,971 {\an8}[BILL] He knew that their product was being produced 721 00:41:56,055 --> 00:41:59,350 {\an8}in really insanitary conditions 722 00:41:59,433 --> 00:42:03,771 {\an8}that likely would have resulted in eggs being contaminated. 723 00:42:03,854 --> 00:42:07,149 {\an8}A pile of manure at one of them, eight feet high. 724 00:42:07,233 --> 00:42:09,652 {\an8}Pile of manure, eight feet high, leaking! 725 00:42:09,735 --> 00:42:12,947 {\an8}As many as 56,000 Americans were sickened because of it. 726 00:42:13,531 --> 00:42:18,077 {\an8}How is it possible that after all this time, 727 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:23,749 {\an8}we have another DeCoster egg producer involved in a half-billion-dollar recall? 728 00:42:24,291 --> 00:42:26,835 {\an8}- [CUP CLATTERING] - [CLICKS TONGUE] 729 00:42:31,090 --> 00:42:33,425 {\an8}Well, the question is complicated, so... 730 00:42:33,509 --> 00:42:34,677 {\an8}You can... 731 00:42:35,427 --> 00:42:37,680 {\an8}[CHRISTINE] For decades he got away with it. 732 00:42:37,763 --> 00:42:43,602 {\an8}But he finally was convicted and, um, was given a short prison term. 733 00:42:46,146 --> 00:42:50,025 {\an8}[DARIN] There will never be an end to bad actors 734 00:42:50,109 --> 00:42:55,072 who decide that profit is more important than ethics. 735 00:42:55,155 --> 00:42:56,782 We have laws. 736 00:42:56,865 --> 00:42:59,535 We have regulatory authorities and regulatory agencies, 737 00:42:59,618 --> 00:43:02,204 and these things still happen, even today. 738 00:43:02,288 --> 00:43:04,290 [BIRDS CHIRPING] 739 00:43:05,499 --> 00:43:07,501 [DOOR OPENS] 740 00:43:10,963 --> 00:43:13,799 [CHICKENS CLUCKING] 741 00:43:15,884 --> 00:43:16,969 [BILL] Come on, guys. 742 00:43:21,348 --> 00:43:22,516 Come on, come on. 743 00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:24,977 [CHICKENS CLUCKING] 744 00:43:26,979 --> 00:43:29,440 After the Wright County egg outbreak, 745 00:43:29,523 --> 00:43:32,818 I wound up on Larry King Live, talking about, 746 00:43:32,901 --> 00:43:34,612 you know, foodborne illness again. 747 00:43:34,695 --> 00:43:36,864 And sort of at the end of the segment, 748 00:43:36,947 --> 00:43:41,035 I just said, "I'm gonna get chickens," as just sort of a throwaway line. 749 00:43:41,118 --> 00:43:43,203 When I got home, my youngest daughter was like, 750 00:43:43,287 --> 00:43:44,747 "Oh, so we're gonna get chickens." 751 00:43:44,830 --> 00:43:46,373 So now we have chickens, 752 00:43:46,457 --> 00:43:49,752 and now she's off at college, and we still have chickens. 753 00:43:49,835 --> 00:43:51,045 [CHICKENS CLUCKING] 754 00:43:51,128 --> 00:43:54,923 {\an8}[DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS] 755 00:43:55,007 --> 00:43:58,260 {\an8}More people are becoming sick from a salmonella outbreak. 756 00:43:58,344 --> 00:44:00,220 - Salmonella outbreak. - [REPORTER 1] {\an8}Salmonella outbreak. 757 00:44:00,304 --> 00:44:02,348 {\an8}- Salmonella outbreak. - Large salmonella outbreak. 758 00:44:02,431 --> 00:44:05,184 [REPORTER 2] More than 100 people have been sent to the hospital. 759 00:44:05,267 --> 00:44:08,896 - [REPORTER 3] Three hundred cases. - [REPORTER 4] Made 278 people ill. 760 00:44:09,730 --> 00:44:15,694 {\an8}At age two, I was hospitalized for 11 days, uh, in New Haven. 761 00:44:15,778 --> 00:44:18,697 {\an8}Uh, my folks... It was an isolation. 762 00:44:18,781 --> 00:44:20,616 My folks couldn't come to see me. 763 00:44:20,699 --> 00:44:23,744 [SPLUTTERS] You know, so I am a survivor of salmonella. 764 00:44:23,827 --> 00:44:27,289 Uh, and it's... uh, it's a killer. 765 00:44:27,373 --> 00:44:29,375 [DRAMATIC MUSIC CONTINUES] 766 00:44:37,383 --> 00:44:40,386 [SARAH] If you look at the two bacteria that are most likely 767 00:44:40,469 --> 00:44:42,888 to send you to the hospital from food, 768 00:44:42,971 --> 00:44:45,849 it's salmonella and a germ called campylobacter. 769 00:44:45,933 --> 00:44:48,477 And if you look at the foods that are most likely 770 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,854 to be the source for those bacteria, 771 00:44:50,938 --> 00:44:53,357 at least from the outbreak data, it's chicken. 772 00:44:54,525 --> 00:44:57,194 And so if we want to address foodborne illness, 773 00:44:57,277 --> 00:45:00,197 we wanna bring those numbers down, chicken is the place to start. 774 00:45:04,743 --> 00:45:08,163 Four companies now control more than half the market in chicken processing. 775 00:45:08,247 --> 00:45:10,457 So it's a very consolidated industry, 776 00:45:10,541 --> 00:45:13,460 and it means those companies have a lot of control over our food. 777 00:45:13,544 --> 00:45:15,337 At the top, the very top of the chain, 778 00:45:15,421 --> 00:45:19,550 there are really just two breeders controlling the entire poultry supply 779 00:45:19,633 --> 00:45:21,635 in the sense that they provide the eggs. 780 00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,179 And those companies largely operate in secrecy. 781 00:45:24,263 --> 00:45:27,433 Their customers are not the public. They're not very communicative. 782 00:45:27,516 --> 00:45:30,018 And it's very hard to tell what practices they're using 783 00:45:30,102 --> 00:45:32,896 to keep those eggs from spreading disease. 784 00:45:32,980 --> 00:45:34,982 [SOMBER MUSIC PLAYS] 785 00:45:48,537 --> 00:45:51,373 Perdue is very focused on food safety, 786 00:45:51,457 --> 00:45:54,626 {\an8}and, um, what makes us a little bit different, 787 00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:58,881 {\an8}I believe, it came from, uh, the "no antibiotics ever" move. 788 00:45:58,964 --> 00:46:02,634 {\an8}Well, tonight, there's a major change coming to your dinner table. 789 00:46:02,718 --> 00:46:06,889 {\an8}Perdue, the chicken makers, say it's dropping most human antibiotics 790 00:46:06,972 --> 00:46:08,640 {\an8}from its chicken products. 791 00:46:09,308 --> 00:46:12,227 [BRUCE] In order to do that, we needed to change a lot of things 792 00:46:12,311 --> 00:46:13,854 about how we raise chickens. 793 00:46:13,937 --> 00:46:15,939 {\an8}[SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS] 794 00:46:22,529 --> 00:46:26,366 Perdue produces a little over 12 million chickens a week. 795 00:46:28,786 --> 00:46:30,287 So the eggs come in. 796 00:46:30,370 --> 00:46:33,499 Uh, we want to get them to the hatchery as fast as we can. 797 00:46:33,582 --> 00:46:36,251 Make sure that they're in a clean environment. 798 00:46:37,961 --> 00:46:39,797 [BRUCE IN SCENE] We asked them, the farmer, 799 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,841 if there are some eggs that are more likely to be dirty, 800 00:46:42,925 --> 00:46:44,176 put them on the bottom. 801 00:46:44,885 --> 00:46:48,138 We've been using this tool. We can swab a lot of eggs 802 00:46:48,222 --> 00:46:49,765 and get immediate feedback 803 00:46:49,848 --> 00:46:51,683 on how much material is on 804 00:46:51,767 --> 00:46:54,686 and how much organic material is alive on the egg. 805 00:47:00,734 --> 00:47:02,528 [BRUCE IN SCENE] 770's in the middle. 806 00:47:02,611 --> 00:47:06,448 Not terribly dirty but not perfectly clean either. 807 00:47:07,115 --> 00:47:08,867 That doesn't mean there's salmonella, 808 00:47:08,951 --> 00:47:14,164 but it does give you a sense of... of opportunity for salmonella. 809 00:47:14,248 --> 00:47:16,250 [CHICKENS CLUCKING] 810 00:47:19,336 --> 00:47:25,509 It takes 21 days to hatch a chicken from, uh, an embryonated or a fertilized egg. 811 00:47:25,592 --> 00:47:28,345 [BRUCE IN SCENE] So he's partially working his way out. 812 00:47:29,429 --> 00:47:30,681 - Taking a break. - [MAN] Yeah. 813 00:47:30,764 --> 00:47:33,058 [BRUCE] Gonna work his way out some more. 814 00:47:38,438 --> 00:47:40,440 [SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC INTENSIFIES] 815 00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:09,261 [BRUCE] The chicks, after they've hatched at the hatchery, 816 00:48:09,344 --> 00:48:11,763 and we've done all we can there to keep them clean, 817 00:48:11,847 --> 00:48:13,348 we move them to the farm. 818 00:48:22,774 --> 00:48:25,652 [CHICKENS CLUCKING] 819 00:48:32,701 --> 00:48:34,244 They come here a day old. 820 00:48:35,412 --> 00:48:38,707 Day they hatch, we get them here, put them in the chicken house. 821 00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:41,209 They stay here about 45 days. 822 00:48:41,293 --> 00:48:44,296 These birds here are about 14 days, two weeks old. 823 00:48:50,302 --> 00:48:53,597 So we monitor for specific types of salmonella, 824 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:58,226 and we use this sampling technique called boot swabs, or bootie swabs, 825 00:48:58,310 --> 00:49:03,982 where you take a sock that's doused in skim milk, put it over your boot, 826 00:49:04,066 --> 00:49:08,487 and walk through the chicken house trying to sample as many chicken's droppings 827 00:49:08,570 --> 00:49:11,657 as you can possibly pick up with those boots. 828 00:49:11,740 --> 00:49:15,619 And we figure over 100 chickens contribute to the bootie sample. 829 00:49:15,702 --> 00:49:18,288 We send that to the lab and look for salmonella. 830 00:49:31,009 --> 00:49:34,096 [SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC CONTINUES] 831 00:49:38,850 --> 00:49:41,103 [BRUCE IN SCENE] This is boneless, skinless breast. 832 00:49:41,186 --> 00:49:45,983 It comes down the line after it's been taken off the, uh, bone. 833 00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:49,569 It goes into this unit and is washed. 834 00:49:50,237 --> 00:49:53,532 There's some peracetic acid, helps us keep it clean 835 00:49:53,615 --> 00:49:57,202 from the process that we just did all the way to the package. 836 00:49:58,954 --> 00:50:02,624 We believe that if a bird came in with a little bit of salmonella, 837 00:50:02,708 --> 00:50:04,960 it'd be washed off and taken care of. 838 00:50:05,043 --> 00:50:07,045 [TENSE MUSIC PLAYS] 839 00:50:15,429 --> 00:50:19,182 {\an8}One of the big broken pieces of the American food safety system 840 00:50:19,266 --> 00:50:21,977 {\an8}is that we don't monitor anything on the farm. 841 00:50:22,060 --> 00:50:24,855 [CHICKENS CLUCKING] 842 00:50:24,938 --> 00:50:27,024 Those are off-limits to regulators. 843 00:50:29,359 --> 00:50:34,197 [LANCE] The problem lies in that a lot of salmonella is found at the farm level, 844 00:50:34,281 --> 00:50:35,615 at the hatchery level. 845 00:50:36,366 --> 00:50:37,451 [BRAKES HISS] 846 00:50:38,452 --> 00:50:41,788 And, you know, USDA's jurisdiction doesn't kick in 847 00:50:41,872 --> 00:50:44,916 until those chickens actually enter the slaughter plant. 848 00:50:48,211 --> 00:50:49,171 [ASSISTANT] A-mark. 849 00:50:54,509 --> 00:50:58,180 [INTERVIEWER] Let's just start off with, tell me what you do for work. 850 00:50:58,263 --> 00:51:02,225 [INSPECTOR IN DISTORTED VOICE] I am a USDA consumer safety inspector, 851 00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:04,144 and I inspect chickens. 852 00:51:05,145 --> 00:51:07,147 [TENSE MUSIC PLAYS] 853 00:51:13,820 --> 00:51:17,407 We run over 300,000 chickens a day. 854 00:51:21,953 --> 00:51:27,250 We're looking at 175 birds a minute, and they're going by so fast. 855 00:51:29,878 --> 00:51:33,006 There's only one inspector at the very end of the line, 856 00:51:33,757 --> 00:51:35,926 and they do miss a lot sometimes. 857 00:51:38,095 --> 00:51:40,180 Some of the plants I've worked at, 858 00:51:40,263 --> 00:51:43,850 I feel like the chicken's not safe to go out. 859 00:51:43,934 --> 00:51:47,437 I feel like consumers would really be shocked 860 00:51:47,521 --> 00:51:50,524 at some of the stories that we could tell them. 861 00:51:52,609 --> 00:51:53,777 I've seen... [SIGHS] 862 00:51:53,860 --> 00:51:57,906 ...plant person throwing chickens in the chiller 863 00:51:57,989 --> 00:52:00,659 and would have fecal matter in them. 864 00:52:03,578 --> 00:52:08,416 I've seen inspectors sleep on the line and product just going on by. 865 00:52:09,835 --> 00:52:12,796 And you'll see employees, they've been to the bathroom. 866 00:52:12,879 --> 00:52:14,965 They're not washing their hands. 867 00:52:15,048 --> 00:52:16,508 I've seen... [SIGHS] 868 00:52:16,591 --> 00:52:21,012 ...people drop their knives, not attempt to pick them up and wash it, 869 00:52:21,096 --> 00:52:23,515 just go right back to using it. 870 00:52:25,934 --> 00:52:28,145 They got a quota they gotta meet. 871 00:52:28,228 --> 00:52:32,107 And, you know, I feel like they're there to make a profit 872 00:52:32,190 --> 00:52:33,984 and get the chickens through. 873 00:52:34,067 --> 00:52:36,486 They don't care what shape they're in. 874 00:52:38,989 --> 00:52:44,286 The USDA inspection regime is really... goes back to the early 1900s 875 00:52:44,369 --> 00:52:47,164 and, you know, Upton Sinclair's book The Jungle. 876 00:52:47,247 --> 00:52:49,249 [NARRATOR] It was not a pleasant novel. 877 00:52:49,332 --> 00:52:53,128 It told of conditions of filth and carelessness in the handling of meat, 878 00:52:53,211 --> 00:52:56,173 and those who read it became concerned and aroused. 879 00:52:57,174 --> 00:52:58,341 It's an outrage. 880 00:53:00,552 --> 00:53:04,264 [MIKE] Meat and poultry inspection laws are designed to deal with the problem 881 00:53:04,347 --> 00:53:09,644 that Teddy Roosevelt addressed in 1906 in meatpacking plants in Chicago, 882 00:53:09,728 --> 00:53:13,315 which is diseased animals coming into facilities, 883 00:53:13,398 --> 00:53:16,067 spoiled meat being put into the food system. 884 00:53:17,569 --> 00:53:20,780 [BILL] Frankly, when they built that inspection regime, 885 00:53:20,864 --> 00:53:24,201 we didn't even understand viruses and bacteria. 886 00:53:25,035 --> 00:53:27,704 [MAN] Every bird must be individually inspected. 887 00:53:27,787 --> 00:53:31,041 It must prove to be wholesome, or else it is condemned. 888 00:53:32,292 --> 00:53:35,003 [MARION] What they're expected to do has nothing to do with bacteria. 889 00:53:35,086 --> 00:53:37,047 {\an8}You can't see bacteria. 890 00:53:37,589 --> 00:53:39,841 {\an8}They're not visible to the naked eye. 891 00:53:39,925 --> 00:53:41,927 [TENSE MUSIC INTENSIFIES] 892 00:53:42,844 --> 00:53:45,180 [MIKE] You have hundreds, if not thousands, 893 00:53:45,263 --> 00:53:48,099 of poultry inspectors sitting on slaughter lines, 894 00:53:48,183 --> 00:53:51,394 watching birds go by, to meet the statutory mandate 895 00:53:51,478 --> 00:53:55,482 to have a US government inspector look at every chicken that goes through a facility 896 00:53:55,565 --> 00:53:58,068 {\an8}with no meaningful benefit for food safety. 897 00:53:58,151 --> 00:54:00,278 {\an8}It's a waste of hundreds of millions of dollars. 898 00:54:01,279 --> 00:54:05,283 I disagree with that assessment for a number of reasons. 899 00:54:05,367 --> 00:54:07,452 {\an8}They do look at the product. 900 00:54:07,535 --> 00:54:10,872 {\an8}That's what the law requires under current statutes. 901 00:54:10,956 --> 00:54:13,917 {\an8}They look at the records that companies keep 902 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,128 to ensure that they're doing what they're supposed to do, 903 00:54:17,212 --> 00:54:20,090 and they sample and test product. 904 00:54:23,176 --> 00:54:25,929 [INSPECTOR IN DISTORTED VOICE] We run millions of birds a month. 905 00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:31,601 We test five salmonella samples a month of a whole bird. 906 00:54:33,228 --> 00:54:37,399 And we do five samples of parts at our plant. 907 00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,948 That's all the USDA does. 908 00:54:49,035 --> 00:54:52,497 And just because it says that "USDA inspected" on there, 909 00:54:52,580 --> 00:54:55,917 it don't mean nothing because it's gotta be on their label. 910 00:54:56,001 --> 00:55:00,213 I wouldn't want to eat nothing coming from some of the plants myself. 911 00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,676 {\an8}When you bring raw poultry into your kitchen, 912 00:55:04,759 --> 00:55:06,386 {\an8}you're taking a significant risk. 913 00:55:06,469 --> 00:55:09,723 The real problem is that even somebody as careful as me, 914 00:55:09,806 --> 00:55:12,434 I'm a microbiologist that studies these pathogens, 915 00:55:12,517 --> 00:55:14,602 when I bring these packages into my house, 916 00:55:14,686 --> 00:55:18,231 it's really hard not to contaminate things. 917 00:55:19,941 --> 00:55:21,026 I'm gonna open that package, 918 00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:24,112 and I'm immediately gonna put that plastic into the trash. 919 00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:26,656 I'm gonna use my foot. 920 00:55:27,449 --> 00:55:29,075 Then I'm gonna take the chicken 921 00:55:29,159 --> 00:55:32,495 and immediately put it into, you know, hot oil and start frying it. 922 00:55:33,455 --> 00:55:35,665 - [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYS] - [CHICKEN SIZZLING] 923 00:55:35,749 --> 00:55:37,751 Then I'm gonna throw away the rest of the package, 924 00:55:37,834 --> 00:55:41,087 but this time I touched the top of the trash can, right? 925 00:55:42,839 --> 00:55:44,924 And then I go wash my hand, and I turn on the faucet. 926 00:55:45,008 --> 00:55:46,384 I've just contaminated the faucet. 927 00:55:46,468 --> 00:55:48,678 I pump the soap. I've just contaminated the soap. 928 00:55:48,762 --> 00:55:50,597 I'm gonna wash my hands really well. 929 00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,141 Then I'm gonna rinse my hands, and shut off the faucet. 930 00:55:53,224 --> 00:55:55,894 I've just recontaminated my hand, and I'm gonna go make a salad. 931 00:55:58,855 --> 00:56:02,317 As careful as I am, those bacteria get around. 932 00:56:03,318 --> 00:56:05,070 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC ENDS] 933 00:56:05,153 --> 00:56:08,823 {\an8}Once that salmonella is dry, it can stay on surfaces for months. 934 00:56:08,907 --> 00:56:11,743 It could still make someone sick when ingested. 935 00:56:11,826 --> 00:56:15,914 You should know that when you bring raw poultry into your kitchen, 936 00:56:15,997 --> 00:56:19,000 you are introducing into your household a biohazard, 937 00:56:19,084 --> 00:56:20,960 and you should handle it accordingly. 938 00:56:23,380 --> 00:56:24,881 [CHICKEN SIZZLING] 939 00:56:24,964 --> 00:56:26,800 [LANCE] When you consume salmonella, 940 00:56:26,883 --> 00:56:30,970 some of those strains also are resistant to multiple antibiotics, 941 00:56:31,054 --> 00:56:34,891 and so the likelihood that a treatment is going to fail is much higher. 942 00:56:38,561 --> 00:56:41,189 Those bacteria are going to continue to grow in your blood, 943 00:56:41,272 --> 00:56:43,900 and sadly, people die of these infections. 944 00:56:44,401 --> 00:56:48,822 [SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS] 945 00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,386 {\an8}[MANSOUR] So the way we test foods, 946 00:57:11,469 --> 00:57:15,640 {\an8}I think the samples dropped off here for us to test were five samples 947 00:57:15,723 --> 00:57:19,894 {\an8}of... of chicken that were purchased from local grocery stores. 948 00:57:21,813 --> 00:57:24,065 In about one hour, we get results, 949 00:57:25,483 --> 00:57:27,652 whether it has salmonella or not. 950 00:57:28,445 --> 00:57:30,196 [INTERVIEWER] On our first day of production, 951 00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,866 we went to a food safety lab in Seattle. 952 00:57:32,949 --> 00:57:36,327 We picked up five brands of raw chicken and tested them. 953 00:57:36,411 --> 00:57:39,581 And we were told by the lab, "You're not gonna get positive results." 954 00:57:39,664 --> 00:57:40,957 "It's too small of a sample." 955 00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,793 We got one positive results, and it was Perdue. 956 00:57:43,877 --> 00:57:46,713 - Can I just ask for your reaction to that? - [SMACKS LIPS] 957 00:57:46,796 --> 00:57:53,136 I would say a chicken is, uh, not even a fair thing to talk about. 958 00:57:53,219 --> 00:57:58,558 Uh, so, I mean, again, we run hundreds of birds 959 00:57:58,641 --> 00:58:01,102 in order to understand where we're at. 960 00:58:01,186 --> 00:58:03,563 And the other part is I would wonder 961 00:58:03,646 --> 00:58:07,233 what the salmonella was in particular. 962 00:58:07,317 --> 00:58:08,651 [INTERVIEWER] It was infantis. 963 00:58:08,735 --> 00:58:14,324 Yeah. Having said that, one chicken is not a fair... uh, fair discussion at all. 964 00:58:14,824 --> 00:58:18,119 [INTERVIEWER] What do you think would be a fair sample set? 965 00:58:18,203 --> 00:58:23,249 A hundred and fifty, uh, in a relatively short period of time. 966 00:58:25,752 --> 00:58:27,879 {\an8}[TENSE MUSIC PLAYS] 967 00:58:33,635 --> 00:58:38,389 {\an8}[INTERVIEWER] So you're going to be testing 150 chicken parts 968 00:58:38,473 --> 00:58:40,517 for us over the course of five weeks 969 00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,978 from the top four major brands in this country. 970 00:58:48,358 --> 00:58:51,402 You're close to the end of testing all one hundred... 971 00:58:51,486 --> 00:58:53,988 We're slightly... We're about 60% of testing 972 00:58:54,072 --> 00:58:56,241 if you intend to bring in 150. 973 00:58:56,324 --> 00:59:00,328 Great. If I buy chicken at the grocery store, 974 00:59:00,411 --> 00:59:02,372 should I assume it's safe for me? 975 00:59:02,455 --> 00:59:08,711 In this country, if you buy poultry, uh, from any grocery store, 976 00:59:08,795 --> 00:59:11,631 regardless of the brand of poultry that you buy, 977 00:59:12,298 --> 00:59:15,802 your... your primary assumption should be that 978 00:59:15,885 --> 00:59:20,139 it contains pathogens such as salmonella and campylobacter. 979 00:59:21,558 --> 00:59:26,271 The fact of the matter is salmonella in chicken is okay to be sold. 980 00:59:26,354 --> 00:59:27,772 It's not an adulterant. 981 00:59:27,855 --> 00:59:33,152 So it's fine to knowingly sell salmonella, campylobacter-tainted chicken. 982 00:59:33,236 --> 00:59:34,821 [EASY LISTENING MUSIC PLAYS] 983 00:59:34,904 --> 00:59:39,075 There was a famous case where the government and industry simply said 984 00:59:39,158 --> 00:59:42,579 that it was the housewife's job to protect the family. 985 00:59:45,873 --> 00:59:47,500 [BRIAN] What it boils down to 986 00:59:47,584 --> 00:59:49,252 is the courts ruled that, you know, 987 00:59:49,335 --> 00:59:51,671 the salmonella can't be considered an adulterant 988 00:59:51,754 --> 00:59:55,800 because housewives know how to cook chicken. 989 00:59:55,883 --> 00:59:58,803 [NARRATOR] Can she prepare those favorite dishes of Tim's 990 00:59:58,886 --> 01:00:00,763 just like his mother used to make? 991 01:00:01,556 --> 01:00:04,350 [BRIAN] And therefore, it doesn't pose a threat to human illness. 992 01:00:05,393 --> 01:00:09,897 [NARRATOR] Remember, it pays to play safe in the kitchen. 993 01:00:11,399 --> 01:00:15,194 This terrible court case dealt a death blow 994 01:00:15,278 --> 01:00:19,115 to... to regulation in the United States regarding salmonella. 995 01:00:19,198 --> 01:00:22,493 Sadly, a true death blow to a lot of people since. 996 01:00:22,577 --> 01:00:26,372 The USDA throws up its hand and says, 997 01:00:26,456 --> 01:00:32,295 "Toxic salmonella are a normal part of raw chicken." 998 01:00:32,378 --> 01:00:35,048 "You don't want toxic salmonella? Cook it." 999 01:00:39,552 --> 01:00:41,220 [BILL] That's what we're trying to change. 1000 01:00:41,971 --> 01:00:44,557 The burden shouldn't be with consumers. 1001 01:00:45,725 --> 01:00:48,811 {\an8}And that's why we filed a petition with the USDA. 1002 01:00:50,271 --> 01:00:52,815 [TENSE MUSIC PLAYS] 1003 01:01:03,117 --> 01:01:06,079 Well, welcome. Let me just say it's so good to really be, 1004 01:01:06,162 --> 01:01:08,247 uh, with... with all of you. 1005 01:01:08,331 --> 01:01:12,377 I... I just have such high regard for the work that you do and... 1006 01:01:12,460 --> 01:01:16,756 {\an8}I know, Bill, you have petitions that you have moving forward, 1007 01:01:16,839 --> 01:01:20,009 {\an8}and Sarah, you do, uh, as well. 1008 01:01:20,093 --> 01:01:22,512 {\an8}And I'd love to have you just update me. 1009 01:01:23,096 --> 01:01:28,810 {\an8}I made a really broad petition that would essentially encompass 1010 01:01:28,893 --> 01:01:33,356 making all salmonellas that cause human disease an adulterant. 1011 01:01:33,439 --> 01:01:37,568 Draw a line in the sand and say, you know, "Thou shalt not have a pathogen 1012 01:01:37,652 --> 01:01:40,446 in your food that can sicken or kill your kid." 1013 01:01:40,530 --> 01:01:42,323 [CHUCKLES] Science supports that. 1014 01:01:42,407 --> 01:01:46,244 Yeah, these pathogens are taking advantage of the gaps we have in our current system. 1015 01:01:46,327 --> 01:01:47,203 Yeah. 1016 01:01:47,286 --> 01:01:50,998 {\an8}I mean, I think the common thread of all the work that we're all doing 1017 01:01:51,082 --> 01:01:54,168 {\an8}is modernizing the outdated system that we have now. 1018 01:01:54,252 --> 01:01:56,838 [SPLUTTERS] That's the importance of this conversation. 1019 01:01:56,921 --> 01:01:58,881 You spoke, Sarah, about the gaps. 1020 01:01:58,965 --> 01:02:02,385 - [SARAH] Mm. - Where are... And I speak legislatively. 1021 01:02:02,468 --> 01:02:05,513 Where are the gaps that we need to try to fill in? 1022 01:02:05,596 --> 01:02:07,432 We really don't have a government agency 1023 01:02:07,515 --> 01:02:10,518 that's able to go onto farms and look at food safety risks. 1024 01:02:10,601 --> 01:02:16,065 They can regulate diseases that cause animal illnesses, 1025 01:02:16,149 --> 01:02:21,070 but they turn a blind eye to the diseases that cause human illness. 1026 01:02:21,154 --> 01:02:23,698 If it makes you sick... 1027 01:02:25,700 --> 01:02:27,702 [HESITATES] ...let's regulate it. 1028 01:02:27,785 --> 01:02:28,661 We can do it, 1029 01:02:28,745 --> 01:02:31,748 but I... I don't have to tell anyone around this table 1030 01:02:31,831 --> 01:02:33,708 about the strength of the lobby. 1031 01:02:33,791 --> 01:02:34,876 - [BILL] Right. - [BRIAN] Yeah. 1032 01:02:34,959 --> 01:02:36,878 [ROSA] You have to know what you're up against. 1033 01:02:37,378 --> 01:02:42,383 The food lobbyists are more powerful than the consumer at the moment. 1034 01:02:42,467 --> 01:02:44,927 It's... it's very, very political. 1035 01:02:45,511 --> 01:02:46,471 Um... 1036 01:02:46,554 --> 01:02:52,477 In... in a very, um... in my view, in a dangerous way. 1037 01:02:53,144 --> 01:02:55,146 [TENSE MUSIC PLAYS] 1038 01:02:59,484 --> 01:03:02,570 [MARION] Food companies hate regulation. 1039 01:03:03,112 --> 01:03:05,698 They pay very expensive lobbyists 1040 01:03:05,782 --> 01:03:07,533 to lobby the federal government 1041 01:03:07,617 --> 01:03:13,080 to make sure that the regulatory oversight is extremely limited. 1042 01:03:13,164 --> 01:03:14,874 {\an8}Madam chairman and committee members, 1043 01:03:14,957 --> 01:03:17,877 {\an8}as you can appreciate, there are many issues impacting the state 1044 01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,505 {\an8}of the chicken industry as I speak to you today. 1045 01:03:21,005 --> 01:03:23,508 {\an8}[MARION] They go to Congress and say, 1046 01:03:23,591 --> 01:03:26,427 {\an8}"We know you're considering a bill 1047 01:03:26,511 --> 01:03:31,390 {\an8}to pass very tight regulations about food safety." 1048 01:03:31,474 --> 01:03:35,520 {\an8}As Henry Ford once said, "Don't find fault. Find a remedy." 1049 01:03:36,354 --> 01:03:37,980 {\an8}[BILL] As soon as we propose something, 1050 01:03:38,606 --> 01:03:40,900 you know, the industry groups are gonna come in, 1051 01:03:40,983 --> 01:03:43,528 and they're gonna have their stories 1052 01:03:43,611 --> 01:03:46,864 about why this would be burdensome on industry, 1053 01:03:46,948 --> 01:03:49,283 and meat prices are gonna go higher, 1054 01:03:49,367 --> 01:03:53,454 people are gonna lose their jobs, and it's the consumer's responsibility. 1055 01:03:53,538 --> 01:03:56,874 All those arguments were the ones they said, 1056 01:03:56,958 --> 01:04:01,254 you know, when E. coli O157:H7 was listed as an adulterant. 1057 01:04:01,337 --> 01:04:04,006 You know, the world was gonna fall apart, and it didn't. 1058 01:04:04,090 --> 01:04:06,092 [TENSE MUSIC ENDS] 1059 01:04:08,386 --> 01:04:11,430 {\an8}[MINDY] I was the undersecretary for food safety 1060 01:04:11,514 --> 01:04:15,268 {\an8}which was the highest-ranking food safety official in the US. 1061 01:04:16,018 --> 01:04:18,646 And, I mean, I'm a scientist. I'm not a politician. 1062 01:04:18,729 --> 01:04:20,815 I was there to make the food supply safe. 1063 01:04:22,441 --> 01:04:27,238 When you put agendas and, you know, political interest aside, 1064 01:04:27,321 --> 01:04:28,823 then you can solve problems. 1065 01:04:28,906 --> 01:04:32,034 You can get data, you can find the answers, 1066 01:04:32,118 --> 01:04:34,495 and then you can find something that actually works. 1067 01:04:34,579 --> 01:04:37,874 Obviously, regulations are important. I'm not saying they're not. 1068 01:04:37,957 --> 01:04:41,085 But it's better for us to be able to come to the table 1069 01:04:41,168 --> 01:04:43,504 before we have to move to regulation. 1070 01:04:44,255 --> 01:04:47,258 [INTERVIEWER] When you were nominated for your position by President Trump, 1071 01:04:47,341 --> 01:04:50,761 a lobbyist for the National Cattlemen's Beef Association said that this was 1072 01:04:50,845 --> 01:04:53,055 great news for the industry. 1073 01:04:53,139 --> 01:04:55,933 Why was the industry so excited about you in particular? 1074 01:04:56,017 --> 01:04:57,351 Because I'm a scientist, 1075 01:04:57,435 --> 01:05:00,396 and they knew I'd make data-driven, science-based decisions. 1076 01:05:01,314 --> 01:05:03,816 [INTERVIEWER] It had nothing to do with the fact 1077 01:05:03,900 --> 01:05:06,611 that you had received a lot of money for your research 1078 01:05:06,694 --> 01:05:09,238 from this very same group over the years? 1079 01:05:09,322 --> 01:05:11,240 No. I mean... [SPLUTTERS] 1080 01:05:11,324 --> 01:05:12,575 No. [CHUCKLES] 1081 01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,913 I do wish that that money, you know, was my personal money. 1082 01:05:16,996 --> 01:05:19,916 It never... It wasn't. It was university given to... 1083 01:05:19,999 --> 01:05:23,252 It was money given to the university to do research. 1084 01:05:23,336 --> 01:05:27,798 And that's how we fund research programs, is through grants from the cattlemen, 1085 01:05:27,882 --> 01:05:31,761 through, uh, you know, the meat institute, all those different organizations. 1086 01:05:31,844 --> 01:05:35,264 [INTERVIEWER] Are you saying it isn't a conflict of interest for you to regulate 1087 01:05:35,348 --> 01:05:38,517 the very industry that has funded so many of your studies? 1088 01:05:38,601 --> 01:05:42,855 It didn't necessarily change the way I looked at the industry at all. 1089 01:05:42,939 --> 01:05:46,651 If anything, you know, I knew where the pathogens were 1090 01:05:46,734 --> 01:05:48,235 and how to control them 1091 01:05:48,319 --> 01:05:51,155 and all of those different components of the industry. 1092 01:05:51,238 --> 01:05:54,575 So I think it just made me a stronger person in that position. 1093 01:05:55,701 --> 01:05:58,329 [INTERVIEWER] Was your nomination also great news, do you think, 1094 01:05:58,412 --> 01:06:01,499 for the consumers that rely on the government to keep their food safe? 1095 01:06:01,582 --> 01:06:04,752 Yes. I'm a very strong consumer advocate. 1096 01:06:12,468 --> 01:06:16,347 And, you know, it's not just, you know, Mindy Brashears, you know. 1097 01:06:16,430 --> 01:06:18,099 It's everyone in government. 1098 01:06:18,182 --> 01:06:22,311 They get into this... you know, into this political realm. 1099 01:06:22,395 --> 01:06:25,731 And it doesn't seem like they really 1100 01:06:25,815 --> 01:06:29,318 are paying attention to the people's business. 1101 01:06:30,486 --> 01:06:34,240 [INTERVIEWER] Have you made a decision on the Marler petition yet? 1102 01:06:34,323 --> 01:06:35,741 No, we have not. 1103 01:06:35,825 --> 01:06:40,496 We are examining and assessing the requests in the context 1104 01:06:40,579 --> 01:06:44,750 of our larger salmonella initiative. 1105 01:06:44,834 --> 01:06:49,171 Their goal in each of the petitions is to do a better job 1106 01:06:49,255 --> 01:06:54,844 at reducing salmonella, the strains that make people sick. 1107 01:06:54,927 --> 01:06:58,055 We have the same exact goal. 1108 01:06:59,515 --> 01:07:03,978 When Mike Taylor deemed E. coli O157:H7 an adulterant, 1109 01:07:04,061 --> 01:07:05,855 he had complete authority to do that. 1110 01:07:05,938 --> 01:07:08,524 There's absolutely no reason that, 1111 01:07:08,607 --> 01:07:14,739 uh, Sandy Eskin couldn't do exactly the same thing on her own right now. 1112 01:07:14,822 --> 01:07:16,240 [INTERVIEWER] She has the authority? 1113 01:07:16,323 --> 01:07:20,911 Absolutely. She has the authority to deem salmonella an adulterant in chicken. 1114 01:07:20,995 --> 01:07:22,621 [INTERVIEWER] So why doesn't she? 1115 01:07:22,705 --> 01:07:25,416 Because, uh, the industry would... 1116 01:07:25,499 --> 01:07:28,085 And I should say this knowing that it's chicken, 1117 01:07:28,169 --> 01:07:32,048 the industry would squawk, um, and they would squawk loudly. 1118 01:07:32,131 --> 01:07:34,133 [CHICKENS CLUCKING LOUDLY] 1119 01:07:35,968 --> 01:07:39,388 I feel like the industry hasn't held up their end of the bargain. 1120 01:07:40,806 --> 01:07:41,849 You can go to Europe 1121 01:07:41,932 --> 01:07:43,726 and buy packages that are labeled, 1122 01:07:43,809 --> 01:07:45,728 you know, "pathogen-free" there. 1123 01:07:45,811 --> 01:07:47,813 You can't get that in the United States. 1124 01:07:49,815 --> 01:07:51,192 [SARAH] They went back to the farm, 1125 01:07:51,275 --> 01:07:54,236 and they prioritized getting rid of the worst types of salmonella 1126 01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:55,446 that make humans sick. 1127 01:07:56,030 --> 01:07:58,574 [BILL] They vaccinate chicken against salmonella. 1128 01:07:58,657 --> 01:08:02,369 They sometimes eradicate flocks that are contaminated with salmonella, 1129 01:08:02,453 --> 01:08:05,831 and they do those interventions before they hit the slaughterhouse 1130 01:08:05,915 --> 01:08:10,336 because once they hit the slaughterhouse, you know, it's not gonna help. 1131 01:08:10,836 --> 01:08:12,838 [TENSE MUSIC PLAYS] 1132 01:08:17,093 --> 01:08:20,554 So it's not like we can't do it. 1133 01:08:20,638 --> 01:08:26,268 Um, we just don't have the political will yet to do it. 1134 01:08:29,105 --> 01:08:31,023 [WHIRRING] 1135 01:08:31,107 --> 01:08:34,026 When you look at what happened to Stephanie Ingberg, 1136 01:08:34,693 --> 01:08:37,488 there's no question we're not doing enough. 1137 01:08:37,571 --> 01:08:40,658 The government's not doing enough. The industry's not doing enough. 1138 01:08:40,741 --> 01:08:42,118 [HEART MONITOR BEEPING] 1139 01:08:45,079 --> 01:08:47,123 [SCOTT] Stephanie, you know, when we first found out 1140 01:08:47,206 --> 01:08:50,751 that first morning that she was back that she may not live very much longer, 1141 01:08:50,835 --> 01:08:56,257 {\an8}the fact that she didn't die, uh, gave us hope. She was still with us. 1142 01:08:56,340 --> 01:08:59,093 She was still in a coma. We couldn't communicate with her. 1143 01:08:59,176 --> 01:09:01,846 They... they didn't know why she wasn't waking up. 1144 01:09:01,929 --> 01:09:04,723 And I think that's what led to the question about the brain injury, 1145 01:09:04,807 --> 01:09:06,100 that she just wasn't waking up. 1146 01:09:06,183 --> 01:09:08,185 [HEART MONITOR BEEPING] 1147 01:09:08,936 --> 01:09:10,771 The priest came in saying a prayer. 1148 01:09:12,064 --> 01:09:14,817 And during that prayer, her eyes just started to slit open. 1149 01:09:14,900 --> 01:09:16,819 And that was the first sign of waking up. 1150 01:09:18,112 --> 01:09:18,946 Yeah. 1151 01:09:21,699 --> 01:09:23,367 [SNIFFLES] Okay. 1152 01:09:23,450 --> 01:09:25,870 [STEPHANIE] I specifically remember when I woke up, 1153 01:09:26,370 --> 01:09:29,915 {\an8}everyone was surrounding me, and everyone was very emotional around me. 1154 01:09:29,999 --> 01:09:32,543 {\an8}I'm like, "What is the big deal? Why is everyone so sad right now?" 1155 01:09:32,626 --> 01:09:34,003 {\an8}"I don't understand." 1156 01:09:34,086 --> 01:09:36,088 [DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS] 1157 01:09:39,466 --> 01:09:43,888 So they were telling me that I got, um, a strain of E. coli. 1158 01:09:43,971 --> 01:09:44,972 [PABLO] Okay. 1159 01:09:45,472 --> 01:09:47,600 Do you have any pain when I poke in there? 1160 01:09:47,683 --> 01:09:48,559 - No. - [PABLO] No. 1161 01:09:49,810 --> 01:09:53,230 [STEPHANIE] And it can give you HUS, which is a fatal kidney disease, 1162 01:09:53,314 --> 01:09:54,398 which is what I got. 1163 01:09:58,819 --> 01:10:03,282 [PABLO] This condition in her body was like a nuclear bomb exploding inside you, 1164 01:10:03,365 --> 01:10:05,910 {\an8}where it hits every single organ, 1165 01:10:05,993 --> 01:10:08,621 {\an8}and then you have to get there and pick up the pieces. 1166 01:10:10,873 --> 01:10:13,417 {\an8}[PABLO IN SCENE] Okay, good, we're gonna go to the left side now. 1167 01:10:14,376 --> 01:10:17,838 [STEPHANIE] It took me a long time to rebuild my strength. 1168 01:10:18,589 --> 01:10:20,507 - [PABLO] Feels better, huh? - [CHUCKLES] 1169 01:10:20,591 --> 01:10:24,261 My coma kind of knocked me out for the hardest parts, 1170 01:10:24,345 --> 01:10:25,679 but I know there were moments 1171 01:10:25,763 --> 01:10:28,682 that my family and my doctors didn't think I was gonna make it through, 1172 01:10:28,766 --> 01:10:30,434 which has been really hard on them. 1173 01:10:30,517 --> 01:10:34,271 And it's hard for me to know that I put them through that pain. 1174 01:10:34,980 --> 01:10:35,814 Um... 1175 01:10:38,317 --> 01:10:39,151 But... 1176 01:10:39,652 --> 01:10:40,486 Yeah. 1177 01:10:41,654 --> 01:10:44,823 Control it all the way. I'm gonna look at your knees as you go. 1178 01:10:44,907 --> 01:10:47,159 [STEPHANIE] I had a lot of physical therapy, 1179 01:10:47,243 --> 01:10:49,912 a handful of outpatient dialysis visits. 1180 01:10:49,995 --> 01:10:51,914 I had doctor's appointments every day. 1181 01:10:51,997 --> 01:10:55,417 My mom couldn't go back to work for months because she had to drive me 1182 01:10:55,501 --> 01:10:58,796 to probably two or three doctor's appointments every day. 1183 01:10:58,879 --> 01:11:03,592 You know, I had a few goals set in place that helped motivate me. 1184 01:11:03,676 --> 01:11:05,511 You know, I was graduating in May. 1185 01:11:05,594 --> 01:11:09,265 Being able to, um, you know, walk at graduation 1186 01:11:10,182 --> 01:11:13,060 was one of my biggest goals because at the time I couldn't walk. 1187 01:11:13,143 --> 01:11:15,396 [CROWD CHEERING] 1188 01:11:21,944 --> 01:11:23,070 [SNIFFLES] 1189 01:11:23,153 --> 01:11:26,282 And I'm crying, but I achieved all those goals. 1190 01:11:26,365 --> 01:11:29,743 {\an8}You know, I... I got to go to prom. I got to walk at graduation... 1191 01:11:29,827 --> 01:11:31,036 [CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS] 1192 01:11:33,789 --> 01:11:36,583 ...which, you know, I feel like I'm pretty lucky 1193 01:11:36,667 --> 01:11:38,836 to be able to say I was able to do, 1194 01:11:38,919 --> 01:11:41,380 given the circumstances. [SNIFFLES] 1195 01:11:42,715 --> 01:11:45,259 You are still having protein spillage in the urine. 1196 01:11:45,926 --> 01:11:48,304 That is unfortunately not normal. 1197 01:11:48,387 --> 01:11:51,598 And that's why we're using, uh, this medication, Lisinopril. 1198 01:11:52,141 --> 01:11:54,351 Unfortunately, uh, 1199 01:11:55,352 --> 01:11:59,148 it's been four years now, and I'm not seeing this going away. 1200 01:12:00,524 --> 01:12:02,818 [STEPHANIE] I'm kind of nervous for what the future holds 1201 01:12:02,901 --> 01:12:06,155 with my kidney health and everything. I try not to think about it. 1202 01:12:07,865 --> 01:12:09,742 I have to take a medication every day 1203 01:12:09,825 --> 01:12:13,746 to try to tighten the filters in my kidneys. 1204 01:12:14,705 --> 01:12:17,166 I've talked to my nephrologist, and there's a possibility 1205 01:12:17,249 --> 01:12:19,293 that I might have to get a kidney transplant. 1206 01:12:19,376 --> 01:12:23,630 I mean, I might have to be on dialysis for the rest of my life. 1207 01:12:23,714 --> 01:12:25,299 Like, you never wanna hear that. 1208 01:12:25,799 --> 01:12:27,801 [CHAIR CREAKING] 1209 01:12:30,387 --> 01:12:34,016 {\an8}[SARAH] I think some people tend to brush off foodborne illness. 1210 01:12:36,477 --> 01:12:37,770 Oh, it's a little stomach ache. 1211 01:12:37,853 --> 01:12:40,689 You know, it's some extra time in the bathroom. It's no big deal. 1212 01:12:42,483 --> 01:12:45,319 [STEPHANIE] It is so much more than that, you know. 1213 01:12:45,402 --> 01:12:49,615 It's comas and brain damage and kidney trauma 1214 01:12:49,698 --> 01:12:52,326 and definitely should be taken seriously. 1215 01:12:52,409 --> 01:12:54,495 I ate a salad, and, you know, 1216 01:12:54,578 --> 01:12:58,332 now I have long-term health effects from it. 1217 01:12:58,415 --> 01:13:00,417 [TENSE MUSIC PLAYS] 1218 01:13:02,628 --> 01:13:06,882 [BRIAN] If you were to develop a list of the highest-risk foods right now, 1219 01:13:06,965 --> 01:13:10,844 romaine lettuce would be near the top, if not at the top. 1220 01:13:12,137 --> 01:13:14,473 [INTERVIEWER] I'm curious if you eat romaine? 1221 01:13:14,556 --> 01:13:15,391 I don't. 1222 01:13:16,100 --> 01:13:17,518 [INTERVIEWER] Do you eat romaine? 1223 01:13:17,601 --> 01:13:21,563 [SPLUTTERS] I do steer clear of romaine for the most part. 1224 01:13:21,647 --> 01:13:22,648 [LAUGHS] 1225 01:13:22,731 --> 01:13:25,109 I mean, I think about it every time I eat it. 1226 01:13:25,192 --> 01:13:28,987 I, you know... I've rolled the dice. [LAUGHS] 1227 01:13:29,655 --> 01:13:32,616 {\an8}[INTERVIEWER] Are there any foods that you both absolutely avoid? 1228 01:13:33,117 --> 01:13:37,162 {\an8}Bagged... We don't buy prepackaged bagged salads. 1229 01:13:37,246 --> 01:13:38,163 - Um... - [JULIE] Yeah. 1230 01:13:38,247 --> 01:13:43,836 We kind of tend to shy away from romaine, especially from Yuma or Salinas. 1231 01:13:45,212 --> 01:13:47,714 [BIRDS CHIRPING] 1232 01:13:51,969 --> 01:13:54,430 [INTERVIEWER] Has the LGMA response prevented 1233 01:13:54,513 --> 01:13:56,640 leafy greens outbreaks in your opinion? 1234 01:13:57,724 --> 01:14:01,270 {\an8}LGMA has made a significant difference in this industry. 1235 01:14:02,146 --> 01:14:04,148 [INTERVIEWER] Are there any studies that document 1236 01:14:04,231 --> 01:14:07,943 the improvement of safety after the implementation of LGMA? 1237 01:14:08,026 --> 01:14:10,112 [INHALES, EXHALES] 1238 01:14:15,993 --> 01:14:17,744 I don't know of any. [INHALES] 1239 01:14:17,828 --> 01:14:20,622 [INTERVIEWER] So you say that you feel confident 1240 01:14:20,706 --> 01:14:22,416 that it's prevented certain outbreaks... 1241 01:14:22,499 --> 01:14:23,417 Absolutely. 1242 01:14:23,500 --> 01:14:25,085 [INTERVIEWER] I want to run through 1243 01:14:26,044 --> 01:14:28,297 some things that have gone down the past five years. 1244 01:14:28,380 --> 01:14:31,592 So September 2017, eight people sick from spinach. 1245 01:14:31,675 --> 01:14:36,889 November 2017, 67 people sick from another unknown leafy green outbreak. 1246 01:14:36,972 --> 01:14:40,642 Then the following year in March, a big one, 248 people, five dead. 1247 01:14:40,726 --> 01:14:42,269 April 2018, ten people. 1248 01:14:42,352 --> 01:14:45,564 October 2018, three separate leafy green outbreaks, 1249 01:14:45,647 --> 01:14:47,065 sickening 135 people. 1250 01:14:47,149 --> 01:14:50,027 November, same thing, 167 people sick. 1251 01:14:50,110 --> 01:14:52,779 November 2019, two more outbreaks that same year. 1252 01:14:52,863 --> 01:14:55,532 October 2020, 40 people. 1253 01:14:55,616 --> 01:14:57,659 This isn't a great track record, is it? 1254 01:14:58,702 --> 01:15:00,245 I think we have a lot to be proud of. 1255 01:15:00,329 --> 01:15:03,874 Certainly, every one of those is... is a tragic incident 1256 01:15:03,957 --> 01:15:06,043 and the effect it had on those consumers. 1257 01:15:06,126 --> 01:15:10,714 But I am confident of the progress that we have made through the LGMA 1258 01:15:10,797 --> 01:15:13,217 and the difference we have made in the industry. 1259 01:15:15,052 --> 01:15:17,054 [TENSE MUSIC PLAYS] 1260 01:15:18,972 --> 01:15:21,266 [CHRISTINE] One thing that jumped out at me when reporting 1261 01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:23,060 on these romaine lettuce outbreaks 1262 01:15:23,143 --> 01:15:26,188 is how little the federal government 1263 01:15:26,271 --> 01:15:28,232 was doing to address them. 1264 01:15:28,315 --> 01:15:30,776 [MACHINE WHIRRING] 1265 01:15:30,859 --> 01:15:33,904 For many years, we've given the responsibility to the businesses 1266 01:15:33,987 --> 01:15:37,366 and let them take responsibility, and that's not working. 1267 01:15:38,242 --> 01:15:39,868 [INTERVIEWER] I'm being asked to wrap up. 1268 01:15:39,952 --> 01:15:43,830 What do you want the viewers to know about this issue? 1269 01:15:44,414 --> 01:15:46,208 {\an8}Well, I would like your viewers to know 1270 01:15:46,291 --> 01:15:49,419 {\an8}that the US has among the safest food systems in the world. 1271 01:15:49,503 --> 01:15:53,674 But we plan to work together to create an even safer, more digital, 1272 01:15:53,757 --> 01:15:57,719 transparent, and sustainable food system that's going to be good for consumers. 1273 01:15:57,803 --> 01:16:00,973 It'll be good for producers, and it will be good for the planet. 1274 01:16:03,517 --> 01:16:05,894 I can't even tell you how many times 1275 01:16:05,978 --> 01:16:10,107 I have heard policymakers, executives, leaders say the phrase, 1276 01:16:10,190 --> 01:16:12,526 "America has the safest food system in the world." 1277 01:16:12,609 --> 01:16:17,322 But there seems to have been this endless cycle 1278 01:16:17,406 --> 01:16:23,203 of failure and outbreaks and recalls and illnesses and deaths. 1279 01:16:23,287 --> 01:16:25,038 You know, when I hear politicians say, 1280 01:16:25,122 --> 01:16:27,332 "We've got the safest food system in the world," 1281 01:16:27,416 --> 01:16:30,502 it's just... it's laughable. We don't have the safest food system in the world. 1282 01:16:30,586 --> 01:16:33,422 I mean, these pathogens are controllable. We're not controlling them. 1283 01:16:33,505 --> 01:16:35,841 We're in the United States. We expect better. 1284 01:16:36,967 --> 01:16:41,430 And when the safety of our food supply lets us down, it lets us down big-time. 1285 01:16:41,513 --> 01:16:44,850 [DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS] 1286 01:16:58,739 --> 01:17:00,741 [CHICKENS CLUCKING] 1287 01:17:13,045 --> 01:17:16,798 {\an8}[BRIAN] Right now, the government is not doing enough to protect consumers. 1288 01:17:18,216 --> 01:17:21,303 {\an8}And then consumers, because the burden is often on them 1289 01:17:21,386 --> 01:17:22,596 when it gets to that level, 1290 01:17:22,679 --> 01:17:25,891 you know, they have to make sure that they're taking the proper steps at home. 1291 01:17:25,974 --> 01:17:27,976 [UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYS] 1292 01:17:30,228 --> 01:17:34,399 I would say number one food on my list that I avoid is cantaloupe. 1293 01:17:35,692 --> 01:17:37,444 You cannot properly clean the outside, 1294 01:17:37,527 --> 01:17:40,489 and once you bring that knife through it, it's too late. 1295 01:17:40,572 --> 01:17:42,574 And there's no kill step for cantaloupe. 1296 01:17:43,867 --> 01:17:45,702 Number two is sprouts. 1297 01:17:46,536 --> 01:17:49,748 Every other year, there's a significant outbreak 1298 01:17:49,831 --> 01:17:52,250 where there's just no way to clean them. 1299 01:17:53,585 --> 01:17:56,880 I would say number three would be bagged lettuce. 1300 01:17:58,256 --> 01:18:01,218 Your spring mix. Your different salad mixes. 1301 01:18:01,301 --> 01:18:05,055 You don't necessarily know how many heads of lettuce that came from. 1302 01:18:05,138 --> 01:18:07,391 Or do you even know if it came from any one place? 1303 01:18:13,063 --> 01:18:15,941 [BILL] All the outbreaks that I've been involved in 1304 01:18:16,608 --> 01:18:20,737 are triple-washed, bagged, and shipped around the country. 1305 01:18:22,406 --> 01:18:25,867 You know, buy it in a whole head and wash it yourself. 1306 01:18:26,493 --> 01:18:28,203 Control your own environment. 1307 01:18:30,622 --> 01:18:32,290 [SARAH] Today, when we were ordering lunch, 1308 01:18:32,374 --> 01:18:34,960 I avoided everything that has that little star on it on the menu 1309 01:18:35,043 --> 01:18:38,588 saying consumption of undercooked meat can expose you to risk. 1310 01:18:38,672 --> 01:18:40,924 So there was some raw fish they were serving, 1311 01:18:41,007 --> 01:18:42,801 and I, uh, took a pass on that one. 1312 01:18:45,846 --> 01:18:48,932 [TIMOTHY] You need to decide, "Am I a person who loves raw oysters enough 1313 01:18:49,015 --> 01:18:53,061 that I want to take the risks that are associated with raw oysters?" 1314 01:18:53,895 --> 01:18:56,648 [SARAH] I don't wanna be one of those people who ends up losing a limb 1315 01:18:56,732 --> 01:18:58,650 because of, uh, you know, a night out. 1316 01:18:58,734 --> 01:19:00,026 Yeah. 1317 01:19:02,195 --> 01:19:03,822 Thank you. Thank you very much. 1318 01:19:03,905 --> 01:19:04,948 Thanks. 1319 01:19:07,242 --> 01:19:08,410 What are you having? 1320 01:19:08,952 --> 01:19:14,166 I'm gonna have a hamburger cooked to 155 degrees internal temperature, 1321 01:19:14,666 --> 01:19:16,293 uh, french fries, 1322 01:19:16,376 --> 01:19:17,335 and that's it. 1323 01:19:17,419 --> 01:19:18,754 [SERVER] Okay. You got it. 1324 01:19:19,254 --> 01:19:21,882 [BURGERS SIZZLING] 1325 01:19:21,965 --> 01:19:25,135 [BEN] When you go to a restaurant and you want to order a hamburger, 1326 01:19:25,218 --> 01:19:28,013 the best thing to do is order to temperature, 1327 01:19:28,597 --> 01:19:32,934 because medium rare, rare, well-done, those are all subjective. 1328 01:19:33,018 --> 01:19:36,438 You can't look at color or whether juices run clear. 1329 01:19:36,521 --> 01:19:39,858 And if they say, "We don't have a thermometer. We can't cook to that." 1330 01:19:39,941 --> 01:19:41,735 Then I'd order something else. 1331 01:19:41,818 --> 01:19:42,861 [BELL DINGS] 1332 01:19:50,535 --> 01:19:53,288 I think when I first started doing this kind of work, 1333 01:19:53,371 --> 01:19:54,790 I kind of thought that, 1334 01:19:55,499 --> 01:19:58,752 you know, if you sued enough people and you took enough money, 1335 01:19:58,835 --> 01:20:00,629 that that would change their behavior. 1336 01:20:00,712 --> 01:20:03,757 I just turned 64, you know, 1337 01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:08,178 and I just don't feel like I've accomplished what I was hoping to do. 1338 01:20:08,970 --> 01:20:10,013 So... 1339 01:20:10,096 --> 01:20:14,351 'Cause I really did think, you know... I really did think that, you know, 1340 01:20:14,434 --> 01:20:17,187 by the time I got to this stage that, 1341 01:20:17,979 --> 01:20:22,234 um, you know, this kind of thing wouldn't be happening anymore. 1342 01:20:23,109 --> 01:20:24,319 But it happens 1343 01:20:24,820 --> 01:20:25,779 all the time. 1344 01:20:26,279 --> 01:20:29,908 ♪ Buried, banging at your door ♪ 1345 01:20:32,577 --> 01:20:34,830 ♪ Don't hear a sound... ♪ 1346 01:20:34,913 --> 01:20:39,501 After my son died, I assumed that either the government, 1347 01:20:40,210 --> 01:20:41,753 you know, laws and policies, 1348 01:20:41,837 --> 01:20:44,506 or science and technology would take care of this. 1349 01:20:44,589 --> 01:20:49,386 We wouldn't be dealing with food safety like we're talking about in 1993. 1350 01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:52,722 ♪ A rising steam... ♪ 1351 01:20:54,891 --> 01:20:59,646 Regulators have the ability to set the tone and to build a framework 1352 01:20:59,729 --> 01:21:02,065 that encourages industry to do the right thing. 1353 01:21:02,148 --> 01:21:04,276 ♪ On the devil's tree ♪ 1354 01:21:06,319 --> 01:21:08,113 ♪ I clutched a branch... ♪ 1355 01:21:08,196 --> 01:21:12,033 If the public makes their voices heard 1356 01:21:12,993 --> 01:21:16,705 and puts pressure on their legislators, 1357 01:21:16,788 --> 01:21:20,667 let them know that this is not acceptable, 1358 01:21:20,750 --> 01:21:26,298 then I believe, yes, legislators will act on their behalf. 1359 01:21:27,382 --> 01:21:30,218 ♪ I walk alone ♪ 1360 01:21:30,302 --> 01:21:32,345 ♪ Beside myself... ♪ 1361 01:21:32,429 --> 01:21:35,891 I think you just have to keep fighting the battles that are in front of you, 1362 01:21:35,974 --> 01:21:39,227 and I still think there are things more to do, um, 1363 01:21:39,311 --> 01:21:41,688 so I guess I got to get busy. 1364 01:21:41,771 --> 01:21:45,400 ["FLESH AND BONE" BY BLACK MATH CONTINUES] 1365 01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:55,493 ♪ Ah ♪ 1366 01:21:57,579 --> 01:22:01,041 ♪ Ooh-ooh-ooh ♪ 1367 01:22:05,503 --> 01:22:09,758 ♪ Ah ♪ 1368 01:22:09,841 --> 01:22:12,177 ♪ I walk alone ♪ 1369 01:22:12,928 --> 01:22:15,430 ♪ Beside myself ♪ 1370 01:22:16,181 --> 01:22:18,558 ♪ Nowhere to go ♪ 1371 01:22:22,562 --> 01:22:25,106 ♪ This bleeding heart ♪ 1372 01:22:25,815 --> 01:22:28,902 ♪ Is in my hands ♪ 1373 01:22:28,985 --> 01:22:32,155 ♪ I fell apart ♪ 1374 01:22:32,238 --> 01:22:35,450 ♪ My flesh and bone ♪ 1375 01:22:38,536 --> 01:22:41,706 ♪ My flesh and bone ♪ 1376 01:22:43,375 --> 01:22:45,168 ♪ Ah ♪ 1377 01:22:45,251 --> 01:22:47,963 ♪ My flesh and bone ♪ 1378 01:22:48,046 --> 01:22:51,341 ["FLESH AND BONE" BY BLACK MATH ENDS] 1379 01:22:53,093 --> 01:22:55,762 {\an8}[SIZZLING] 130718

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