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When I think of science fiction,
I think of stories in any medium
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that tell us what we could be
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and warn us about where we're going.
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Every piece
of science fiction
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that I enjoy works as pure entertainment,
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and it also works as a social commentary,
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philosophy or inspirational ideas.
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It was always a genre that carried with it
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a sense of taking the
temperature of its own times.
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It's a ripe genre,
it's full of interesting
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twists and offshoots.
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I can get you diseases.
You'd like that, wouldn't you?
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There are so many sub-genres
that are available to us
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and I think really give
this kind of rich landscape.
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Science fiction storytelling
exists from the beginning
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of film-making,
and persists through
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two centuries.
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Images
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that we see in cinema
today are built on images from movies
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like 2001, A Space Odyssey,
Metropolis and Things to Come.
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In the '50s,
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sci fi was an extension of science,
and science was all about the atom,
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and the atom was all about,
they're going to blow us up
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or we're going to have a wonderful future
because of our friend the atom.
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The people doing these
science fiction films in the '80s,
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they cut their teeth on '50s sci fi,
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but what they did is they said,
we love sci fi for what it represents.
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The post atomic scare that stimulated
so many of these low budget Saturday
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matinee type movies.
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They really impacted us as children.
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But in a different way than
films now in the '70s,
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films tend to be more socially conscious,
more artistically presented.
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But let's take a B movie
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and just do it as though we're doing
an art film, without a happy ending.
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The twist towards the dark, nihilistic sci fi,
I think, was largely a response against
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technology, government, war,
especially in the Vietnam era.
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A lot of those dystopian films
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were warning about global warming
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and the arms race.
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You maniacs!
You blew it up!
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Things that I think made
people feel very small
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and very out of control.
And that seems to really be
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what science fiction is about
until Star Wars.
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The whole tone of science fiction
and films really changes
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with Lucas and Spielberg
in the '70s and '80s,
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and it starts showing us the
positive possibilities in our world
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as opposed to constantly warning us
about all the ways we're messing up.
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Spielberg said,
"Can't we go back to what
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"I grew up with, which is the beauty
of sci fi and imagination?
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"Let's not dwell on the corrupting
influence of technology."
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For the next decade
or so across the '80s,
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that amalgamation of science, fiction,
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and fantasy,
seemed to be the driving force.
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Science fiction became direct,
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straightforward, provocative, clear.
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Any idea that anybody had
if you set it on another planet or
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set it in the future, set it in dystopia,
you could get the money to do it.
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Now, sci fi was viable box office.
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And now the studios are
throwing money at the genre
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and you're getting the best filmmakers
and the best actors,
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and they have the funds
to take you to other places.
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Sci fi truly came of age and exploded
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in the '80s.
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We are creating machines
that mimic human behavior.
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The human body, human intelligence.
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In Saturn 3, you see
the bio-mimicry of Hector,
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the machine taking on its human
creator's ideas and psychopathy.
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Certainly, the way Saturn 3 was sold,
leaned heavily on Alien, robots, science.
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All that kind of stuff, but it leaned
even more heavily on Farrah Fawcett
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and that absolutely stunning smile of hers,
in the fact that all of us
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were enamored of Farrah
from Charlie's Angels.
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I had that poster,
everybody had that poster.
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And the idea that Farrah Fawcett
might be wearing something sexy or
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nothing at all, definitely got my
young self out to see Saturn 3.
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The movie you got, however,
was a completely different movie.
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You're quite an event in our lives.
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Well, I guess you don't
get many drop-ins on Saturn 3.
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Hardly ever,
especially not from earth.
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We are on a space station that is slick,
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and designed and shiny and colorful,
and all the edges are smoothed out.
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All of the ideas
that might have been initiated
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by Alien are gone by the time you get
to the finished product of Saturn 3.
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We get to see
Kirk Douglas naked a lot,
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but not Farrah Fawcett.
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That was kind of
forward thinking.
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Doesn't it disgust you
to be used by him?
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To be touched by an old man?
Can't you feel the decay?
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The notion that he wanted
to express his virility,
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that he's still a leading man,
that he was still an action star.
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Kirk Douglas was very particular about that.
About that in terms
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of the notion of men,
of male movie stars and actors
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and the way that they
should come off in film.
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Abort!
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Glad you didn't ask
him to shake hands.
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It's a complicated film, you got
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you got Stanley Donen,
the Singin' in the Rain director, directing
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this sort of science fiction opera
with this crazy, oversexed robot.
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No! No! No!
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He's probably not the
right director for that.
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The production designer, John Barry,
he was probably the correct person.
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The scenario was based on his stories.
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But Kirk didn't like John and so got him
fired and had Stanley Donen hired.
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So you have Kirk Douglas, who doesn't
like John Barry. He gets rid of him.
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And then you have Stanley Donen,
who doesn't like Harvey Keitel's voice.
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Now we have this weird
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sort of quasi British voice
coming out of Harvey Keitel's face.
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Why won't you talk?
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Why not? What have
I done wrong?
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All of these decisions just sort of led
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to something of a mess of a movie,
except for Farrah Fawcett.
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Kudos to
Farrah Fawcett
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for dealing with all those boys
and what was going on there.
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It just didn't seem to connect
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with the bigger universe
in the way that the Star Wars films had.
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No, this was all stuff happening
on this space station
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between these people and a freaky robot.
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Check mate.
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The whole Star Wars
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experience is a phenomenon.
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It opened up horizons in a way
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that nobody ever imagined.
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I'm going in.
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I loved it.
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The Force is strong with this one.
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I always felt that George Lucas
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was a very unique individual
who had a unique point of view.
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I often wondered if he knew
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what he was really introducing.
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The Empire Strikes Back
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Coming to your galaxy next summer.
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With Lando,
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I didn't want to make a black character,
or a white character. Lando was Lando.
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It's like Billy Dee to me is Billy Dee.
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I want to show you my
own personal uniqueness.
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How you doin', you old pirate?
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It's so good to see you!
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I wanted to talk about
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a swashbuckling kind of individual.
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Welcome, Leia.
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That was an honor,
to work with Kershner.
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He was a real actor's director
for one thing, so he really understood
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the human behavior.
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Well, your highness,
I guess this is it.
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That's right.
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Don't get all mushy on me.
So long, princess.
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It wasn't just purely based on
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this kind of a journey into space.
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Punch it!
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One of the great things
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about playing a kind of
a dubious character.
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They're not bad people,
they're just caught up in situations.
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I remember picking my
daughter from school,
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and the kids would accuse
me of betraying Han Solo.
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And I'm right in the middle
of the schoolyard
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having this debate with these kids.
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I had no choice.
They arrived right before you did.
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I'm sorry.
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If you express those characters
through a kind of vulnerability,
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then I think it makes it more palatable
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and much more interesting.
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I am your father.
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George wanted to keep everything secret,
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he wanted everything
to be a surprise in the movie.
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Unlike Carrie and Mark, who signed
contracts for multiple movies,
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Harrison only signed for one movie,
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and each movie was a separate contract
with him.
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George wasn't sure he would
come back for Jedi.
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So that's why, at the end of Empire,
Han Solo gets frozen in carbonite.
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I love you.
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I know.
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They needed a way, if Harrison
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didn't come back for the third movie,
how do you explain what happened?
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But if he does come back, you defrost him,
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and we're all happy.
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George is more of an idea person,
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that has these great,
fantastic visions.
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And I was a little bit surprised
because he was talking about
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the budget for Empire Strikes Back.
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And he was trying to figure out
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how not to spend the more money than he
spent on the first Star Wars movie.
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I'm thinking this guy is this monolith
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as far as creativity is concerned.
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But here's a guy thinking about
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how much money am I spending
to put an idea together.
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Yeah, it's show business.
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Part of the pressure
that George was feeling
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was because he had financed
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Empire himself, as opposed
to having a studio do it.
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And when the movie ran
over time and budget,
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he had to put up more collateral.
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And so there was a lot of pressure
that, had the movie not been successful,
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he could have ended up back at the start.
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Echo-Station Five-Seven,
we're on our way.
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George Lucas was a gift.
He changed the whole world of cinema.
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He introduced all of these new ideas.
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How do you explain that experience?
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It was meant to be.
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It changed everything.
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Introducing Dorothy R. Stratten,
Playboy's
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playmate of the year,
as your favorite gal.
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Galaxina.
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I couldn't tell you the plot of that at all,
it was Dorothy Stratten, right?
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I mean, that's all you need to know.
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She was delightful to watch.
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When I look at Galaxina,
what I see is possibility,
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all kinds of possibilities.
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Galaxina is a parody movie.
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Name's Mr. Spot.
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Star Trek, Star Wars,
a little bit of Alien.
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And all of the movies
that were made before it
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that were way, way better.
At least two tropes exist in the film Galaxina.
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These sort of representations
of the cantina from Star Wars,
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where all of these creatures
from all over the universe are.
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And the image of that spacecraft
coming across the screen,
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and going on forever, all kinds of nutty
things going on in that movie.
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There's one relationship in that
movie that works and rings
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as true and real. And it's the relationship
between Galaxina and Stephen Macht's
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character, he plays Thor.
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You're a machine, and
I'm a human being.
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Which is just another
kind of machine really.
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They fall in love, but they can't really
be in love, because she's an android.
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But she figures out how to correct something
so that she can have human feelings.
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I love you, Sgt. Thor
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Those moments between those two actors,
are the realest moments in that movie.
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In Galaxina, we see the first idea
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of sex bots in artificial
intelligent machines.
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How will they feel if they
develop self-awareness?
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Where is the line?
Really pulls at our psychology.
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I really think those provocative
stories are important for us.
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What it all adds up to is something
that's not quite as good
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as those individual pieces,
but those individual pieces
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that are stuck in my head,
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I will probably remember forever.
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I will remember that alien coming
out of Avery Schreiber's mouth, forever.
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Galaxina, sadly, the thing
that hangs over it
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more than anything
is the murder of Dorothy Stratten.
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It's hard to think of the movie
without remembering
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what happened to her.
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I really appreciate Galaxina, and not just
because of what happened to Dorothy,
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but because there was something
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suggested in that movie,
that there could have been more there
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and there might have been
more in the future for her.
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The Final Countdown
is about to begin.
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The Final Countdown
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is about the USS Nimitz,
an aircraft carrier in 1980
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that gets sent back in time
to December 6th, 1941.
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That was taken less
than an hour ago.
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I don't understand, sir.
These are pre–World War II pictures.
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Single handedly, with the one aircraft carrier
and all the modern technology
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they have at their disposal,
could absolutely thwart
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the attack on Pearl Harbor.
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The United States of America
falls under attack.
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Our job is to defend it.
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The past, present or future.
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Now, the question that the captain
and the crew have to face
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is, do they do that because they are sworn
defenders of the United States,
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and this is an enemy?
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Or do they allow history to play
out as we know it did?
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The classic time travel dilemma.
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You jump back.
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You've now caused this weird ripple
effect that you didn't expect.
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This is going to create a
fracture in the timeline.
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We know where all of the mistakes are
going to be made for the next 40 years.
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And you've got the power to correct them.
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You stay out of this.
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The final countdown is a great example
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of that idea that, you know,
do you interfere or don't you?
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If we could travel back in time,
would we want to change history?
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How it would affect
the future?
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What if you go back in time and it kills
the bloodline of your grandparents,
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then you never exist.
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I still have a gut instinct that
things only happened once,
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and if they have happened, then there's
nothing we can do to change them.
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Nor should we try.
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There's all these paradoxical ideas
that exist in science fiction
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that have never been
really answered satisfactorily,
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because we don't have the science yet
to lean one way or another.
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It's an interesting enough storyline
that draws us in and makes us think,
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you know, the ramifications
of action, or inaction.
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This is the United States warship.
Or at least, it used to be!
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Or will be, or what
the hell ever!
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Who are you?
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Flash Gordon, Quarterback,
New York Jets.
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Flash Gordon was true
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to the Buster Crabbe
serials and Alex Raymond
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comic books.
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I think if Nick Roeg
had done Flash Gordon
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as the original plan was,
it would have been
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a completely different movie than
the one that Mike Hodges did.
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I can hear Dino now saying,
"No, it is a crazy,
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"don't do it like this, it is too much
dream like, we want with guns and shooting,
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"and girls with big tits."
You know?
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Dino De Laurentiis.
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He was like a Svengali.
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He had this big vision
that the movie mattered
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above all else.
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Michael Hodges came in
three weeks before filming.
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Strange object imaged
in the imperial vortex.
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We ended up
basically improvising quite a bit.
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Yeah.
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When you improvise,
sometimes you get gold.
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Go, Flash. Go!
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Go, Flash. Go!
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The sets were amazing,
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the costume was outrageously great.
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What was Flash Gordon wearing
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during the execution scene?
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Hot pants, Okay?
Green leather, hot pants.
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Tip of the hat to Danilo Donati,
who was the set and costume designer,
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he should have been nominated
at least for an Academy Award.
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Pathetic earthlings.
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Hurling your bodies
out into the void.
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Max von Sydow,
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his costume was so heavy
and difficult, he couldn't
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sit down, they had to
lean him on a backboard.
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Gordon's alive!
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Brian Blessed. They broke the mold
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when he came to this planet.
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To the death!
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In the scene with the moving disc
with Sam and Timothy Dalton,
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Brian Blessed is just making
one crack after another.
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- I was laughing so hard.
- Why are prisoners tortured?
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And the scene where I'm on the table
and he pinches
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my bottom was not in the script,
it was a Brian Blessed special.
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I have my suspicions.
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one of the amazing things
about Flash Gordon,
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it was the sweetness of it, the innocence.
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Oh, it's so crazy!
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And that sweetness allows for the room
to have all these double entendres.
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Some adult content,
subtle and not-so-subtle.
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Ming has his magic ring that
causes me to have a lot of pleasure.
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But it works because I'm this innocent
who just doesn't quite know
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what's going on.
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Did you ever see such response?
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No, truly.
She even rivals your daughter.
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Look at Ornella, that seduction scene
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where she's sitting on my lap,
I kept telling the director,
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I'm not really getting this.
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I need another take, okay?
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Oh my god, this girl's
really turning me on.
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I didn't quite get that.
Think it again.
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Oh, yeah,
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that took it to a whole 'nother level.
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I was told in the beginning
Dino did not want Queen.
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He was quoted as saying,
"No, that's a not for my movie."
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Queen not only complemented
Flash Gordon,
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it brought tremendous value.
348
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It was rock and roll, it was
festive, it was lyrical,
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and that's what the movie is.
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This is not a dark movie,
it's a cartoon strip,
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so it was supposed to
be energetic and fun.
352
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It is what it is.
353
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Just sit back and enjoy being transported.
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If you're faced with
any storm in your life,
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you just call upon Flash Gordon.
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It's timeless.
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Yeah!
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If you were a kid coming
of age in the 1980s,
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you were worried
that nuclear war would start.
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We were at the height
of the Cold War in the 1980s.
361
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The height of an understanding
of what nuclear technology could do
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and its potential for devastation.
363
00:22:28,888 --> 00:22:32,233
I remember as a child,
we lived near an air force base.
364
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Four bells meant get under the desk.
365
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- Duck!
- Duck and cover.
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- Duck and cover. Duck and cover yourselves.
- Duck and cover.
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And they're telling you that's going
to save you from a nuclear attack.
368
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Duck and cover.
Attaboy, Tony.
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That flash means: act fast.
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This was a given, this was going to happen.
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So, of course, we all had
nightmares, I had very vivid ones.
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Superpowers were going head to head
every other week in the news,
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and we entered the '80s
with enormous apprehension.
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If the Soviet Union is attacked, we will
answer with all our nuclear might.
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00:23:09,971 --> 00:23:13,026
What science fiction films
did at that time,
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I think was gave us
an outlet, a catharsis,
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by extrapolating the
potential for devastation.
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By the time you had Reagan in
the US, and Thatcher in the UK,
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and you had sort of the latter
era Soviet leadership,
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there was enormous Western exceptionalism
that invaded all of the art.
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So it wasn't surprising that
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the audiences escaped as a means
of processing fears and ideas
383
00:23:42,754 --> 00:23:46,800
about the geopolitical situation,
but also the political situation at home,
384
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which wasn't great either.
385
00:23:49,678 --> 00:23:52,223
I was in the air force
for most of the 1980s.
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00:23:52,264 --> 00:23:56,643
I was stationed in a nuclear silo
in North Dakota for a portion of time.
387
00:23:56,977 --> 00:23:58,729
These fears were palpable.
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So when we went to see movies like
WarGames, Firefox,
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these films tried to be
as realistic, speculative
390
00:24:06,695 --> 00:24:08,514
but as realistic as possible.
391
00:24:08,555 --> 00:24:13,538
I'm speaking to the individual who has
stolen the property of the U.S.S.R.
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00:24:13,579 --> 00:24:15,579
We're getting the royal treatment.
393
00:24:15,871 --> 00:24:18,272
So whether you're talking about a movie like
Superman IV,
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a Bond movie, or a movie like
Weird Science where a nuclear missile
395
00:24:21,501 --> 00:24:25,046
comes up through the floor in the bedroom,
the Cold War is right there in the film.
396
00:24:27,132 --> 00:24:30,094
When we saw these movies,
we didn't have to be so scared
397
00:24:30,135 --> 00:24:32,179
we could let somebody else
handle the problem.
398
00:24:36,003 --> 00:24:37,203
Wolverines!
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00:24:37,267 --> 00:24:39,686
That's something that
really drove James Cameron
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00:24:39,936 --> 00:24:44,149
as a filmmaker, nuclear war,
and that whole idea is in all his films.
401
00:24:44,858 --> 00:24:48,153
It's a background to Skynet
and The Terminator.
402
00:24:48,695 --> 00:24:50,305
It's there in Aliens.
403
00:24:50,346 --> 00:24:53,846
I say we take off and nuke
the entire site from orbit.
404
00:24:57,287 --> 00:25:00,081
And it's a motif in Cameron films,
the mushroom clouds.
405
00:25:00,415 --> 00:25:04,836
And by Terminator 2, you get
that shocking dream sequence.
406
00:25:05,212 --> 00:25:07,047
And it really was in your
face by that point.
407
00:25:07,088 --> 00:25:09,633
It wasn't a metaphor anymore.
It really was James Cameron going,
408
00:25:09,799 --> 00:25:12,551
"This is what it's going
to be like, people."
409
00:25:16,975 --> 00:25:20,275
Do you know exactly what your
family would do if an attack came?
410
00:25:20,435 --> 00:25:25,816
On the other side of it, you got parables
like Threads, which was made in Britain
411
00:25:25,857 --> 00:25:29,444
about what happens if a
nuclear attack actually went off.
412
00:25:31,696 --> 00:25:33,324
The real threat
413
00:25:33,365 --> 00:25:37,452
of nuclear Armageddon
was never very far away,
414
00:25:37,494 --> 00:25:40,456
so when The Day After comes out, it took
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00:25:40,497 --> 00:25:44,876
what was an existential fear for
me and it gave it visuals.
416
00:25:46,419 --> 00:25:48,714
It won't be pretty, it won't be fast,
417
00:25:48,755 --> 00:25:52,384
I mean, the lucky ones,
will die outright.
418
00:25:52,676 --> 00:25:57,055
Nothing on network television
like this had ever been shown.
419
00:25:57,973 --> 00:26:00,308
If you have a nuclear war,
420
00:26:00,684 --> 00:26:03,562
this is what it's going
to be like on a good day.
421
00:26:09,693 --> 00:26:12,420
The Day After was a huge
television phenomenon.
422
00:26:12,461 --> 00:26:15,631
It showed that you could
do the darker story.
423
00:26:16,074 --> 00:26:18,702
It was painful to watch
because the radiation
424
00:26:18,743 --> 00:26:21,621
was definitely going to get to
us and kill us at some point.
425
00:26:21,913 --> 00:26:26,501
The Day After is the most watched
movie made for television ever.
426
00:26:26,835 --> 00:26:31,590
100 million people watched it
in one night, so I was quite stunned.
427
00:26:31,923 --> 00:26:34,884
But there was one person's mind
who was changed overnight,
428
00:26:35,093 --> 00:26:38,138
and that happened to be the president
of the United States, Ronald Reagan,
429
00:26:38,805 --> 00:26:40,974
who had come to power believing
430
00:26:41,182 --> 00:26:44,477
that there was such a thing
as a winnable nuclear war.
431
00:26:45,353 --> 00:26:48,023
I spent the '80s in Thatcher's London.
432
00:26:48,398 --> 00:26:51,526
I was very interested in
getting Reagan out of office.
433
00:26:51,943 --> 00:26:55,614
My fear of what these
434
00:26:56,072 --> 00:26:59,367
politicians can do, the people
that I cannot control.
435
00:27:00,201 --> 00:27:05,123
I focus my energies on what I can do
in my own little corner of the world.
436
00:27:07,917 --> 00:27:08,961
We've been living
437
00:27:09,002 --> 00:27:11,880
with the Cold War since World War II,
438
00:27:12,088 --> 00:27:17,636
generations have lived under that threat,
and I don't think one generation
439
00:27:17,677 --> 00:27:20,305
is any more immune to
that threat than another.
440
00:27:20,930 --> 00:27:24,602
Today, you know, we're worried
about the very slow end of the world
441
00:27:24,643 --> 00:27:28,438
from, you know, environmental
things or terrorist acts.
442
00:27:28,647 --> 00:27:32,400
I think ever since we created the
bomb, the world has been different.
443
00:27:32,984 --> 00:27:34,278
People were just channeling
444
00:27:34,319 --> 00:27:38,115
their beliefs, their fears or nightmare
scenarios into these stories.
445
00:27:38,156 --> 00:27:41,167
And now we're at an age
where in the modern day, it's all about
446
00:27:41,208 --> 00:27:44,371
lack of privacy and how the internet and
the machines are going to take over.
447
00:27:44,412 --> 00:27:47,916
And we're going to become dehumanized to the
point where we're just slaves to the machines.
448
00:27:47,957 --> 00:27:50,794
It's an interesting cycle
to have walked through.
449
00:28:03,807 --> 00:28:05,809
In the '80s, there were several
450
00:28:05,850 --> 00:28:09,354
shrinking movies, which I guess
somehow that became funny.
451
00:28:09,729 --> 00:28:14,025
Honey, I Shrunk the Kids,
The Incredible Shrinking Woman and Innerspace.
452
00:28:14,442 --> 00:28:15,594
And they were all good.
453
00:28:15,635 --> 00:28:17,618
Now, how about a big
hand for a little lady?
454
00:28:17,659 --> 00:28:19,659
The Incredible Shrinking Woman.
455
00:28:23,326 --> 00:28:25,245
It's a take on the book
456
00:28:25,286 --> 00:28:26,730
Incredible Shrinking Man.
457
00:28:26,771 --> 00:28:30,954
The top news story of the day continues
to be the Incredible Shrinking Woman.
458
00:28:30,995 --> 00:28:34,095
I'm sure there must be
some logical explanation.
459
00:28:34,212 --> 00:28:36,322
It's a satire on advertising.
460
00:28:36,363 --> 00:28:39,963
Galaxy Glue.
Galaxy Glue.
461
00:28:40,427 --> 00:28:43,746
She's a tiny housewife, and she has to
deal with all these products coming at her.
462
00:28:43,787 --> 00:28:45,470
The glue, the solvent,
your bubble bath.
463
00:28:45,511 --> 00:28:47,511
Talcum powder, shampoo...
464
00:28:48,101 --> 00:28:50,145
He was making fun of these products
465
00:28:50,186 --> 00:28:53,172
that are fed to them like
this is going to make your life better.
466
00:28:53,213 --> 00:28:55,213
It's called
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00:28:56,237 --> 00:28:57,837
Tray Naturale.
468
00:28:58,194 --> 00:29:00,989
And what started to happen with the
women's movement is they were going,
469
00:29:01,030 --> 00:29:03,867
"I don't want to make my life
at home better that much.
470
00:29:03,908 --> 00:29:04,910
"I want to be out of here.
471
00:29:04,951 --> 00:29:08,622
"Making dinner or doing
the laundry is not all
472
00:29:08,663 --> 00:29:10,398
"I want to do."
473
00:29:10,439 --> 00:29:12,439
Judith, I don't think this
is such a good idea.
474
00:29:12,834 --> 00:29:16,588
Lily Tomlin, she's perfect
because she's a comedian
475
00:29:16,629 --> 00:29:21,242
and she can embody the craziness of that.
She has this insane range.
476
00:29:21,283 --> 00:29:23,283
And you better lay off
of buttons, Buster.
477
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,605
I'm in it for like a very
short amount of time.
478
00:29:25,646 --> 00:29:28,899
I'm advertising soap,
but they cut it.
479
00:29:29,809 --> 00:29:32,604
When Lily hid in the Barbie
Dream House, it's so great
480
00:29:32,645 --> 00:29:37,942
because that's an iconic thing from girls
childhood to be the size of your dolls.
481
00:29:38,276 --> 00:29:40,721
It's all about the insignificance.
482
00:29:40,762 --> 00:29:42,762
Off the furniture!
483
00:29:44,086 --> 00:29:47,086
And what are you grinning
at, you big creep?
484
00:29:47,243 --> 00:29:50,955
The dolls,
if they were bigger than you, life size,
485
00:29:51,206 --> 00:29:53,541
they would be terrifying.
486
00:29:58,171 --> 00:29:59,131
Lily gets smaller
487
00:29:59,172 --> 00:30:02,509
and smaller, and then falls
into the garbage disposal,
488
00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:06,263
which is, first of all, everyone's nightmare,
like when you drop something
489
00:30:06,304 --> 00:30:08,766
to the garbage disposal
and you have to reach in, and take it out.
490
00:30:08,807 --> 00:30:10,934
There's like a built-in terror.
491
00:30:12,894 --> 00:30:14,354
That's the big, actual
492
00:30:14,395 --> 00:30:17,524
visual point that she's
not a factor anymore.
493
00:30:17,607 --> 00:30:22,145
She's just doing her job and she's
becoming smaller and smaller as a person.
494
00:30:22,186 --> 00:30:23,405
I'm going to
lose my mind!
495
00:30:23,446 --> 00:30:26,783
And it's the war that women
then started to feel like
496
00:30:26,991 --> 00:30:29,769
this isn't my life,
I don't want this to be my life.
497
00:30:29,810 --> 00:30:32,810
I'm sick of products!
I'm sick of advertising!
498
00:30:32,934 --> 00:30:35,017
You're talking
about my work!
499
00:30:35,058 --> 00:30:37,126
See, I love things that
have themes like that.
500
00:30:37,167 --> 00:30:39,167
More champagne?
501
00:30:40,691 --> 00:30:43,291
Vance, look
what you did!
502
00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:55,500
Outland.
The ultimate enemy is still man.
503
00:30:57,188 --> 00:31:00,108
An underrated classic
from early '80s science fiction.
504
00:31:00,525 --> 00:31:04,196
Sean Connery plays a federal marshal
who was sent to this backwater
505
00:31:04,237 --> 00:31:07,156
mining colony on a moon of Jupiter.
506
00:31:08,324 --> 00:31:11,870
He discovers a drug operation
where the drugs that are being used
507
00:31:11,911 --> 00:31:15,374
by the miners and sold to the miners
to make them boost their productivity
508
00:31:15,415 --> 00:31:17,442
is actually killing them.
509
00:31:17,483 --> 00:31:18,966
Get it off!
510
00:31:19,007 --> 00:31:21,007
Get it off!
511
00:31:24,132 --> 00:31:26,927
I was desperate to make a Western.
512
00:31:26,968 --> 00:31:30,597
Certainly after people like George Lucas
figured out, wait a second,
513
00:31:30,805 --> 00:31:35,227
the Western is not dead, it's alive,
it's in outer space, so I modeled it
514
00:31:35,268 --> 00:31:40,732
after Dodge City, the frontier aspect
of it, the harshness and the danger
515
00:31:41,065 --> 00:31:45,028
and the greed, and the fact that
if you just stepped outside, you died.
516
00:31:46,946 --> 00:31:51,183
That's a completely conceivable future
where we actually go out and we actually
517
00:31:51,242 --> 00:31:55,237
mine asteroids and mine planets and stuff.
And it's a corporate entity.
518
00:31:55,278 --> 00:31:58,161
We're on our way to becoming the
leading Con Amalgamate operation.
519
00:31:58,202 --> 00:32:01,702
And everyone in this room has
received the bonus checks to prove it.
520
00:32:01,753 --> 00:32:05,132
It's a social commentary
about out-of-control economies
521
00:32:05,173 --> 00:32:07,617
and out-of-control corporate people.
522
00:32:07,658 --> 00:32:09,641
We are all professionals.
523
00:32:09,682 --> 00:32:11,555
I'm sure we are.
524
00:32:11,596 --> 00:32:13,974
I first wrote it when I was at Universal.
525
00:32:14,015 --> 00:32:16,383
I remember Ned Tanen read
the script and said,
526
00:32:16,424 --> 00:32:18,996
"I like it, we'll make it
if Eastwood will do it."
527
00:32:19,037 --> 00:32:22,022
And I said, "Well, you'll make the phone book
if Eastwood will do it."
528
00:32:22,148 --> 00:32:23,400
Sean Connery will...
529
00:32:23,441 --> 00:32:25,694
He'll bring Connery to whatever he plays.
530
00:32:25,735 --> 00:32:28,280
Zero ego about anything to do
531
00:32:28,321 --> 00:32:31,741
with him and total ego
about how to make the movie good.
532
00:32:31,783 --> 00:32:36,037
So every discussion you had with him
was how to make the script better.
533
00:32:36,454 --> 00:32:38,123
How to make the movie better.
534
00:32:38,164 --> 00:32:39,231
He was a remarkable guy.
535
00:32:39,272 --> 00:32:41,355
There's a whole machine that works,
536
00:32:41,396 --> 00:32:44,496
because everybody does
what they're supposed to.
537
00:32:45,213 --> 00:32:49,634
I did write one line where I said,
I can't wait for him to say it.
538
00:32:50,051 --> 00:32:52,179
And it's at the end of a very big chase.
539
00:32:52,220 --> 00:32:54,014
He's got a guy cornered in the kitchen
540
00:32:54,055 --> 00:32:56,516
and then he fires his gun
all around the guy.
541
00:32:57,934 --> 00:32:59,293
Think it over.
542
00:32:59,334 --> 00:33:00,562
Think it over.
543
00:33:00,603 --> 00:33:02,597
It's like butter with him.
544
00:33:02,638 --> 00:33:04,638
When they dig more oil,
the company's happy.
545
00:33:04,962 --> 00:33:06,818
When the company's happy, I'm happy.
546
00:33:06,859 --> 00:33:09,737
I first knew Peter Boyle
from seeing a movie called Joe.
547
00:33:10,947 --> 00:33:14,785
So the first film that I ever
wrote, I got to know Peter
548
00:33:14,826 --> 00:33:18,879
and thought he was terrific.
And I needed somebody with some grit.
549
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,503
If you're looking for money,
you're smarter than you look.
550
00:33:21,833 --> 00:33:23,844
If you're not, you're a lot dumber.
551
00:33:25,044 --> 00:33:25,988
Frances Sternhagen.
552
00:33:26,029 --> 00:33:27,612
Hello.
553
00:33:27,653 --> 00:33:29,636
It's the drug.
554
00:33:29,677 --> 00:33:30,884
You just won a prize.
555
00:33:30,925 --> 00:33:32,719
The part originally was written for a man.
556
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,639
I said, I want to cast a woman
and make no change
557
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:36,789
in the script.
558
00:33:36,830 --> 00:33:39,713
Almost everybody here doesn't
have both oars in the water,
559
00:33:39,754 --> 00:33:41,054
as far as I'm concerned.
560
00:33:41,352 --> 00:33:45,172
Everything she said was a little different,
everything she said was her way.
561
00:33:45,213 --> 00:33:48,513
There hasn't been so much excitement in
this heap for some time.
562
00:33:48,818 --> 00:33:50,112
When it came to Outland,
563
00:33:50,153 --> 00:33:53,156
the idea of a mining conglomerate
seemed feasible to me.
564
00:33:53,656 --> 00:33:56,952
I wanted you to see the kind
of hostility of the environment
565
00:33:56,993 --> 00:33:58,911
and who are the people
who would be doing it.
566
00:34:00,204 --> 00:34:02,790
And why would they be doing it.
567
00:34:06,544 --> 00:34:09,172
I never won an Oscar, except one
of the things that I wanted
568
00:34:09,213 --> 00:34:13,676
more than anything else was to do a film
that would be parodied in Mad Magazine.
569
00:34:13,926 --> 00:34:16,013
And they did Outland in Mad Magazine.
570
00:34:16,054 --> 00:34:19,265
I was thrilled, to me the
highest compliment I could be paid.
571
00:34:25,813 --> 00:34:28,441
You and I know that when anybody says
which is the best Superman,
572
00:34:28,483 --> 00:34:29,917
they say II.
573
00:34:29,958 --> 00:34:32,458
You haven't seen the best part.
574
00:34:33,582 --> 00:34:36,882
Superman II. The Adventure Continues.
575
00:34:37,325 --> 00:34:42,553
Superman II remains about truth,
justice and the American way.
576
00:34:43,122 --> 00:34:45,333
There is no doubt about that.
577
00:34:45,374 --> 00:34:48,336
It is also about the villains coming back
and maybe getting Superman,
578
00:34:48,377 --> 00:34:50,154
and that's the best part.
579
00:34:50,195 --> 00:34:52,195
Superman!
580
00:34:54,425 --> 00:34:57,303
There is no question about the
fact that Christopher Reeve
581
00:34:57,637 --> 00:35:03,017
embodied Superman,
I just think he was extraordinary.
582
00:35:04,641 --> 00:35:06,641
I believe this is your floor.
583
00:35:06,729 --> 00:35:08,315
He was a little dorky.
584
00:35:08,356 --> 00:35:10,566
He was more like Clark Kent than Superman.
585
00:35:15,279 --> 00:35:18,199
Terence Stamp remains
the sexiest man on earth.
586
00:35:19,023 --> 00:35:21,023
Kneel before Zod.
587
00:35:21,911 --> 00:35:22,954
Jack looked like Jack,
588
00:35:22,995 --> 00:35:25,832
all the time, I hasten to add.
589
00:35:26,707 --> 00:35:28,751
We moved a certain way
590
00:35:29,085 --> 00:35:31,337
and we moved with a fluidity.
591
00:35:32,004 --> 00:35:35,258
Three villains flying along,
they'd got the tracks
592
00:35:35,299 --> 00:35:38,261
up in the roof like
railway tracks up there.
593
00:35:38,803 --> 00:35:41,472
Somebody hadn't quite worked out
that when you go round a corner,
594
00:35:42,223 --> 00:35:44,101
the momentum swings you out.
595
00:35:44,142 --> 00:35:45,977
So the three of us start off very well,
596
00:35:46,018 --> 00:35:49,438
then we go round a corner and then we all
get tangled up together and there we hang.
597
00:35:51,774 --> 00:35:53,193
Stepping on the moon,
598
00:35:53,234 --> 00:35:55,737
it was the most extraordinary set.
599
00:35:55,778 --> 00:35:57,661
What kind of a creature are you?
600
00:35:57,702 --> 00:35:59,685
Just a man.
601
00:35:59,726 --> 00:36:01,243
A man?
602
00:36:01,284 --> 00:36:04,495
Do you know that scene where
I kick the astronaut in the groin?
603
00:36:04,620 --> 00:36:06,331
When I went to Japan to promote the film,
604
00:36:06,372 --> 00:36:08,583
they cut that scene
because it was too violent.
605
00:36:08,875 --> 00:36:11,961
A woman kicking a man like that
just doesn't do, does it?
606
00:36:16,132 --> 00:36:20,804
Margot Kidder absolutely made contact
when she had to clip me
607
00:36:20,845 --> 00:36:23,873
because we tried it a few times
and it just didn't look too real.
608
00:36:23,914 --> 00:36:25,914
You're a real pain
in the neck!
609
00:36:26,893 --> 00:36:29,187
She got me so much that
I went over the edge.
610
00:36:30,313 --> 00:36:31,565
It's like, "Got the shot,
611
00:36:31,606 --> 00:36:34,067
"moving on, thank you very much."
612
00:36:34,108 --> 00:36:37,737
We weren't killed off,
we just disappeared, if you like.
613
00:36:37,778 --> 00:36:39,364
To be able to come back.
614
00:36:39,405 --> 00:36:42,742
There was definitely
speculation about that.
615
00:36:45,494 --> 00:36:48,122
Superman I and II, we shot
them back to back.
616
00:36:48,163 --> 00:36:51,583
With Richard Donner,
who we all adored.
617
00:36:51,918 --> 00:36:56,672
We took a break because at a certain point
we'd shot so much of Superman II,
618
00:36:56,881 --> 00:36:58,884
they needed to concentrate
on Superman I.
619
00:36:58,925 --> 00:37:00,468
Of course they did.
620
00:37:00,801 --> 00:37:04,555
I literally got back on the set
and it was Richard Lester.
621
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,018
To re-shoot the same sequence
622
00:37:08,059 --> 00:37:12,313
with two incredibly different directors
was the best experience of my life.
623
00:37:19,528 --> 00:37:21,364
Consequently, when
624
00:37:21,405 --> 00:37:24,951
it came to selling
Superman II, it was me.
625
00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:27,913
Warner Brothers put me through
my paces to see if I could
626
00:37:27,954 --> 00:37:30,957
talk about the film
without spilling the beans.
627
00:37:31,791 --> 00:37:33,834
The fact that they changed directors
628
00:37:34,293 --> 00:37:38,172
was just something we never talked
about in the marketing of the film.
629
00:37:38,214 --> 00:37:42,427
That was a more naive period
where people weren't
630
00:37:42,468 --> 00:37:46,764
so into all the nuances of film-making.
631
00:37:47,181 --> 00:37:50,143
At the beginning, it was marvelous and
glorious, and we all loved each other.
632
00:37:50,184 --> 00:37:53,104
By the end, it was just
we'd all had enough, I think.
633
00:37:53,145 --> 00:37:56,407
I often think of the enormity
634
00:37:56,565 --> 00:37:59,360
of certainly the impact of Superman.
635
00:37:59,902 --> 00:38:03,240
Everybody has seen Superman.
Around the world,
636
00:38:03,281 --> 00:38:05,992
whether it be on television,
whatever it is, it's a love fest.
637
00:38:17,586 --> 00:38:20,715
Before we lived in a dystopian reality,
638
00:38:20,756 --> 00:38:24,969
I really enjoyed dystopian science fiction.
639
00:38:25,493 --> 00:38:27,976
John Carpenter's Escape
From New York.
640
00:38:28,017 --> 00:38:32,017
The greatest escape of them all
is about to blow the future apart.
641
00:38:32,768 --> 00:38:33,687
Escape From New York
642
00:38:33,728 --> 00:38:38,649
actually started as John Carpenter's
first screenplay out of film school.
643
00:38:38,816 --> 00:38:42,362
After he had done a few, Studio
really wanted to work with him
644
00:38:42,403 --> 00:38:44,155
and said, basically, what do you got?
645
00:38:44,196 --> 00:38:47,450
And he went to the closet,
brought out the script.
646
00:38:47,742 --> 00:38:49,619
They loved the idea.
647
00:38:49,660 --> 00:38:50,829
He called me.
648
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:53,707
He said, "I really need another mind
649
00:38:53,748 --> 00:38:57,043
"here to help me get through this
and make sense of it."
650
00:38:57,084 --> 00:38:59,403
So I think it was a
valuable collaboration.
651
00:38:59,444 --> 00:39:03,427
You go in, find the President,
bring him out in 24 hours,
652
00:39:03,468 --> 00:39:05,051
and you're a free man.
653
00:39:05,092 --> 00:39:06,045
24 hours, huh?
654
00:39:06,469 --> 00:39:09,764
Escape From New York was the
biggest movie I'd made up to that time.
655
00:39:10,222 --> 00:39:12,851
It was basically the same crew
and some of the same cast
656
00:39:12,892 --> 00:39:15,019
I'd worked with before,
so it was fun to do.
657
00:39:15,394 --> 00:39:19,231
It was hard work trying
to keep everything light
658
00:39:19,815 --> 00:39:21,567
if we can.
659
00:39:22,318 --> 00:39:25,030
It was like a huge family
660
00:39:25,071 --> 00:39:30,744
working with actors that he loves
both personally and professionally.
661
00:39:30,785 --> 00:39:35,456
He knows that he can get the performance
out of them that he wants.
662
00:39:39,251 --> 00:39:41,004
And they have much more fun working
663
00:39:41,045 --> 00:39:44,256
if you're, you know, everything
is calm, and here we go.
664
00:39:45,591 --> 00:39:48,052
St. Louis, which was the
beginning of the shoot.
665
00:39:48,135 --> 00:39:52,431
They shot much of the exterior material.
St. Louis at the time
666
00:39:52,515 --> 00:39:56,185
looked like post-apocalyptic,
you know, United States.
667
00:39:56,852 --> 00:39:59,146
You didn't have to do a
lot of window dressing.
668
00:39:59,688 --> 00:40:03,359
Nothing was done in New York
other than being on Liberty Island.
669
00:40:04,944 --> 00:40:07,947
Kurt was always known
and grew up as a Disney kid,
670
00:40:08,030 --> 00:40:11,659
but John can see into
what the potential is in people.
671
00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:15,121
I recognized Kurt early on
when we did Elvis.
672
00:40:15,162 --> 00:40:16,915
This guy's got it.
673
00:40:16,956 --> 00:40:18,666
He really has it.
674
00:40:21,168 --> 00:40:22,504
Just knowing Kurt, you know
675
00:40:22,545 --> 00:40:26,882
he has the potential for doing something
that's a little darker and physical.
676
00:40:32,388 --> 00:40:36,183
Love the character of Maggie.
677
00:40:38,144 --> 00:40:39,813
Balls out chick, you know,
678
00:40:39,854 --> 00:40:42,005
and I was used to playing
that kind of role.
679
00:40:42,046 --> 00:40:45,546
You're Plissken?
I heard you were dead.
680
00:40:45,693 --> 00:40:47,852
I think her entire moral character
681
00:40:47,893 --> 00:40:51,999
is exhibited in the last scene,
where she reaches
682
00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:57,872
out her hand to snake for the gun
and she fires at the Duke.
683
00:41:00,875 --> 00:41:03,760
That just said everything
to me about her.
684
00:41:03,801 --> 00:41:05,954
Escape From New York
685
00:41:05,997 --> 00:41:09,375
really, its philosophical bent was
it was a nihilist film.
686
00:41:10,217 --> 00:41:13,138
It had a nihilist character
it had a nihilist ending,
687
00:41:13,179 --> 00:41:16,056
but it was also done in a way
that was tongue in cheek.
688
00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:20,269
We're going to go far in this
direction and have fun with it.
689
00:41:21,020 --> 00:41:23,005
Don't kill yourself
after you see this film.
690
00:41:23,046 --> 00:41:25,046
You're going to kill
me now, Snake?
691
00:41:25,970 --> 00:41:27,970
I'm too tired.
692
00:41:28,594 --> 00:41:30,572
Maybe later.
693
00:41:30,613 --> 00:41:34,367
If you want to know who would win
a fight between Snake Plissken,
694
00:41:34,408 --> 00:41:38,455
Jack Burton or RJ MacReady,
Snake Plissken would win the fight
695
00:41:38,496 --> 00:41:39,414
hands down.
696
00:41:39,455 --> 00:41:41,455
He's a bad ass, that's why.
697
00:41:47,679 --> 00:41:50,162
A universe of magic.
698
00:41:50,203 --> 00:41:52,203
Heavy Metal.
699
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:57,598
Heavy Metal, the movie, was a very interesting
experience for young, 14 year old me.
700
00:41:57,890 --> 00:42:00,559
Yeah, my worldview shifted
after watching that film.
701
00:42:05,606 --> 00:42:06,983
I was a fan of the magazine,
702
00:42:07,024 --> 00:42:09,860
a fan of the art,
fan of the storytelling.
703
00:42:11,153 --> 00:42:14,031
It played into my interests
in a very natural way.
704
00:42:15,366 --> 00:42:17,411
I said, "It would be great
as an animated film."
705
00:42:17,452 --> 00:42:19,852
My powers continue.
706
00:42:23,999 --> 00:42:28,045
It showed you the possibility of animation
and sci fi and more sophisticated ideas.
707
00:42:29,421 --> 00:42:32,174
Beautiful, but it's also really subversive
708
00:42:32,383 --> 00:42:33,335
and counter-cultural.
709
00:42:33,376 --> 00:42:37,359
I told you, I'm an American citizen.
I just lost my papers or something.
710
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,400
Goddamn legal aliens.
711
00:42:39,598 --> 00:42:42,017
The source material,
the Heavy Metal stories
712
00:42:42,101 --> 00:42:45,522
really in themselves
had a kind of level of explicitness
713
00:42:45,563 --> 00:42:47,606
that was freeing,
I think, for the artists.
714
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,902
I saw that as something that was quite fun
715
00:42:50,943 --> 00:42:52,394
and delicious.
716
00:42:52,435 --> 00:42:55,835
I'm afraid that I'll come home one
day and find you screwing the toaster.
717
00:42:56,459 --> 00:42:59,359
You'll just have to trust me.
718
00:42:59,827 --> 00:43:03,514
Gerald Potterton was a really fine
animation director in Canada.
719
00:43:03,581 --> 00:43:06,277
I sort of enlisted him as kind of a
720
00:43:06,601 --> 00:43:08,601
central film-making group
to tell this story.
721
00:43:12,256 --> 00:43:13,975
Len Blum and Dan Goldberg
722
00:43:14,016 --> 00:43:16,393
who I had worked
with on Meatballs,
723
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:21,307
they came up with that sort of magical
sort of deadly green ball from outer space
724
00:43:21,432 --> 00:43:23,976
as a way of sort of linking
the stories together.
725
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,600
Someone always finds me.
726
00:43:31,734 --> 00:43:35,446
My favorite sequence in Heavy
Metal is Den.
727
00:43:36,570 --> 00:43:38,553
Can I slit his throat,
your majesty?
728
00:43:38,594 --> 00:43:40,594
Yes.
729
00:43:40,993 --> 00:43:42,620
I liked the Heavy Metal magazine.
730
00:43:42,661 --> 00:43:45,856
It's an actually an adept
recreation of that vibe.
731
00:43:45,897 --> 00:43:47,380
And if I refuse?
732
00:43:47,421 --> 00:43:51,204
If you refuse, you die.
She dies. Everybody dies.
733
00:43:51,245 --> 00:43:53,245
Sounded reasonable to me.
734
00:43:53,631 --> 00:43:56,342
The B-17 bomber that crashes on
the island with the zombies,
735
00:43:56,383 --> 00:43:58,910
that's probably my favorite individual
vignette from the film.
736
00:43:58,951 --> 00:44:00,951
Nose dive!
737
00:44:01,388 --> 00:44:02,932
The two space pilots
738
00:44:02,973 --> 00:44:05,476
that get high on the space cocaine
is also a funny one.
739
00:44:12,358 --> 00:44:13,276
Taarna,
740
00:44:13,317 --> 00:44:17,488
as a huge Moebius fan, I wanted to
sort of give him all due respect.
741
00:44:21,612 --> 00:44:23,612
Maybe she wants to fight.
742
00:44:27,236 --> 00:44:29,236
I want her dead!!!
743
00:44:29,667 --> 00:44:32,544
What I remember about Heavy Metal
is the music in that film.
744
00:44:33,545 --> 00:44:36,590
All of the bands
that have a song in that film,
745
00:44:36,757 --> 00:44:40,720
I have cranked that soundtrack
so many times over the years.
746
00:44:40,761 --> 00:44:42,513
I wore out so many cassette tapes.
747
00:44:44,932 --> 00:44:48,061
Yeah, the future is now pretty
well illustrated by Musk
748
00:44:48,102 --> 00:44:52,022
sticking a Tesla into space, like
the opening of the Heavy Metal movie.
749
00:44:53,524 --> 00:44:57,362
I wish we could have finished it
in a slightly more complete way, I mean,
750
00:44:57,403 --> 00:45:01,490
we were working under the gun in terms
of timetable, in terms of budget,
751
00:45:01,615 --> 00:45:06,036
but I'm still quite taken
by how still effective it was.
752
00:45:10,791 --> 00:45:12,794
I think we were just
really ahead of the curve
753
00:45:12,835 --> 00:45:14,537
in all sorts of ways.
754
00:45:14,578 --> 00:45:16,561
Okay, sucker.
Hand over your cash!
755
00:45:16,602 --> 00:45:18,602
Now!
756
00:45:28,684 --> 00:45:32,104
One of the ways you can say whether
a film has succeeded or failed
757
00:45:32,855 --> 00:45:36,109
is can you imagine
a life for the characters
758
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:39,796
and the movie itself
beyond the frame you've seen.
759
00:45:39,837 --> 00:45:44,274
World building became enormously
important during '80s science fiction.
760
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,662
So you have concept design
and production design.
761
00:45:48,746 --> 00:45:53,333
You have to go and build interiors,
build these kind of planets
762
00:45:53,667 --> 00:45:58,046
physically on sets, and
creating locations that work.
763
00:45:58,547 --> 00:46:01,216
You have concept designed around
764
00:46:01,842 --> 00:46:06,555
props and imagined future technology.
765
00:46:07,765 --> 00:46:12,794
Present day ideas extrapolated, and this
thing goes on into, of course, costume,
766
00:46:13,103 --> 00:46:16,440
how do spaceships
move and travel in the future.
767
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:19,444
It's the natural evolution
768
00:46:19,485 --> 00:46:22,780
of a storyteller to think beyond
the things that inspire them,
769
00:46:22,821 --> 00:46:27,451
imagining the possibilities
of taking it to the next step.
770
00:46:28,786 --> 00:46:30,455
For directors like Spielberg
771
00:46:30,496 --> 00:46:35,083
and Cameron and Ridley Scott,
this became almost a challenge
772
00:46:35,584 --> 00:46:39,922
to create an accurate picture
of the future in different ways.
773
00:46:40,172 --> 00:46:43,407
Make you know, a straightforward
film extraordinary.
774
00:46:43,448 --> 00:46:45,448
Something's there.
775
00:46:45,636 --> 00:46:49,640
I love the worlds that existed
in all of these science fiction movies,
776
00:46:49,681 --> 00:46:53,101
and I wanted to explore
them as fully as I could.
777
00:46:56,188 --> 00:46:58,024
Very satisfying to work
on pictures like that
778
00:46:58,065 --> 00:47:02,152
where you bring a whole universe
to life for a film audience.
779
00:47:02,486 --> 00:47:04,447
Usually when I'm hired,
780
00:47:04,488 --> 00:47:06,490
nobody else is hired
except for the director,
781
00:47:06,615 --> 00:47:11,328
and we start discussing the script and I
hire illustrators and storyboard artists.
782
00:47:11,662 --> 00:47:13,997
We start to develop
a look for the picture,
783
00:47:14,206 --> 00:47:17,417
which is very important
because he can see his vision now
784
00:47:17,709 --> 00:47:21,130
of what this picture is and
the studio, they start to see,
785
00:47:21,171 --> 00:47:23,966
"Wow, this is where our
100 million dollars is going to go.
786
00:47:24,007 --> 00:47:26,343
"We're going to have that".
And they get excited.
787
00:47:29,221 --> 00:47:32,225
Something that is, of course,
hugely important in science fiction
788
00:47:32,266 --> 00:47:35,228
because it doesn't exist anywhere
around us, are the visual
789
00:47:35,269 --> 00:47:38,439
designers, the guys that decide,
what the buildings, what the landscape
790
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,526
should look like, the objects,
the spaceships, the creatures.
791
00:47:41,567 --> 00:47:43,068
It's all choices.
792
00:47:44,236 --> 00:47:49,240
Syd Mead, Ron Cobb, Ralph McQuarrie,
just the visionaries of science fiction,
793
00:47:50,075 --> 00:47:52,870
and they have dreamt up
so many iconic things.
794
00:47:54,705 --> 00:47:58,584
They're quite instrumental
in bringing life to a lot of
795
00:47:58,625 --> 00:48:01,545
what goes on on the screen.
796
00:48:04,590 --> 00:48:06,676
In science fiction,
a lot of the things
797
00:48:06,717 --> 00:48:09,762
that you're going to see
are visual effects, those things don't
798
00:48:09,803 --> 00:48:14,224
exist in reality, you know,
warp drives and Spinners.
799
00:48:14,474 --> 00:48:18,103
So we have to invent
sounds that don't exist in reality.
800
00:48:20,772 --> 00:48:25,385
My job is to ensure that you hear
everything that you do see.
801
00:48:25,426 --> 00:48:27,426
Did you see that?!
802
00:48:28,822 --> 00:48:29,949
It's really
803
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:33,076
the sound underneath it
coming up out of the floor
804
00:48:33,410 --> 00:48:37,372
and shaking you to your core.
805
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,001
That's all encompassed in this term
I call universe building.
806
00:48:41,209 --> 00:48:44,755
I need to create the sonic universe
that we take for granted,
807
00:48:44,922 --> 00:48:48,175
such that when you go to the cinema,
you feel as though you're
808
00:48:48,216 --> 00:48:53,278
in a believable environment,
even if it's in an unbelievable context.
809
00:48:57,142 --> 00:48:59,854
The genius of Star Wars,
is it just imbued character
810
00:48:59,895 --> 00:49:04,066
into everything, into its planets,
into cities, into its characters,
811
00:49:04,107 --> 00:49:08,654
obviously, nothing Star Wars touched
didn't involve character and feel.
812
00:49:09,112 --> 00:49:12,741
So the Falcon, which is the heart
of all great movie spaceships,
813
00:49:13,283 --> 00:49:15,602
became an extension of Han Solo.
814
00:49:15,643 --> 00:49:19,026
She may not look like much,
but she's go it where it counts, kid.
815
00:49:19,067 --> 00:49:21,067
I've made a lot of special
modifications myself.
816
00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:23,377
And then you have the complete opposite
817
00:49:23,418 --> 00:49:26,546
end with films like Mad Max
818
00:49:27,172 --> 00:49:30,884
and their version
of spacecraft is a vehicle.
819
00:49:35,597 --> 00:49:36,807
Weapons.
820
00:49:37,766 --> 00:49:41,436
The classic ones in Star Wars
are the blaster versus the lightsaber,
821
00:49:41,687 --> 00:49:44,607
the lightsaber represents
the old order, a kind of grace
822
00:49:44,648 --> 00:49:45,749
from the past.
823
00:49:45,790 --> 00:49:47,773
An elegant weapon
824
00:49:47,814 --> 00:49:49,814
for a more civilized age.
825
00:49:50,946 --> 00:49:52,156
Then you have James Cameron,
826
00:49:52,197 --> 00:49:56,076
you know, he's about the
physicality of armament.
827
00:49:58,662 --> 00:50:00,915
And you go to something like Star Trek.
828
00:50:00,956 --> 00:50:05,752
It's a cleaner universe,
and all the uniforms are kind of coded
829
00:50:06,169 --> 00:50:08,964
by rank, so it's much more about
830
00:50:09,006 --> 00:50:11,883
a military organization.
831
00:50:14,344 --> 00:50:18,823
Costumes, of course,
are a great ingredient of science fiction.
832
00:50:19,016 --> 00:50:22,978
I mean, the opportunity they give
to costume designers to imagine
833
00:50:23,145 --> 00:50:27,107
the impossible, a wonderful
opportunity to be creative.
834
00:50:27,482 --> 00:50:31,504
None of the work that any of us do
is the end result. None of it.
835
00:50:31,712 --> 00:50:34,072
It all is part of a process
836
00:50:34,448 --> 00:50:37,451
and we're all in this together.
837
00:50:37,659 --> 00:50:41,163
These brilliant filmmakers
give us amazing, astonishing work,
838
00:50:41,371 --> 00:50:44,458
but our brains will build much more
than they can possibly do,
839
00:50:44,775 --> 00:50:46,102
and that's what
they should be doing.
840
00:50:46,143 --> 00:50:49,755
They're kind of lighting a match to a
touch paper and going, okay, off you go.
841
00:50:49,963 --> 00:50:52,967
You know, dream up the
other elements of this world.
842
00:50:53,008 --> 00:50:55,802
Imagine for yourselves
what these planets are like.
843
00:50:58,096 --> 00:51:00,141
They are the things that stay with you.
844
00:51:00,182 --> 00:51:03,643
What's going on on
the other side of the door?
845
00:51:10,317 --> 00:51:13,361
If you're a movie geek and you don't
understand the significance of 1982,
846
00:51:13,420 --> 00:51:15,546
you have to turn in
your movie nerd card.
847
00:51:28,085 --> 00:51:29,545
The post-apocalyptic genre
848
00:51:29,586 --> 00:51:31,922
is pretty much defined by
the Mad Max movies.
849
00:51:32,746 --> 00:51:35,446
The Road Warrior.
850
00:51:38,095 --> 00:51:41,598
A kind of harsher, cooler vision
of science fiction,
851
00:51:41,723 --> 00:51:44,727
it's like a western.
Barren world where petrol
852
00:51:44,768 --> 00:51:46,678
is the only commodity.
853
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,702
Just walk away.
Give me your pump,
854
00:51:49,743 --> 00:51:53,543
the oil, the gasoline,
and the whole compound.
855
00:51:53,735 --> 00:51:55,821
They did what they needed
to do to survive.
856
00:51:59,324 --> 00:52:03,078
They were working in a genre of picture
called The Exploitation Picture.
857
00:52:03,328 --> 00:52:05,206
That's how they got funded.
858
00:52:05,247 --> 00:52:08,500
Action, adventure,
exploding cars, violence,
859
00:52:08,750 --> 00:52:13,046
mayhem and the low budget seemed
to be a challenge rather than an obstacle.
860
00:52:13,547 --> 00:52:18,576
I am really attracted to that sort
of bootstrapping kind of storytelling.
861
00:52:18,617 --> 00:52:20,617
Good dog. Nice doggy.
862
00:52:24,474 --> 00:52:26,601
George Miller is an amazing director.
863
00:52:27,144 --> 00:52:31,731
George had built a universe,
this dystopian future
864
00:52:31,773 --> 00:52:34,452
that Mad Max lived within.
865
00:52:34,493 --> 00:52:36,476
You want to get out of here?
866
00:52:36,517 --> 00:52:38,517
You talk to me.
867
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:41,324
George had fleshed it all out.
868
00:52:46,246 --> 00:52:49,708
It's not just a matter of going out
and shooting a lot of cars being flipped
869
00:52:49,749 --> 00:52:53,087
and people dressed up strangely
and mohawk bikers running
870
00:52:53,128 --> 00:52:55,046
round and screaming.
871
00:52:56,923 --> 00:52:57,883
There was a definite
872
00:52:57,924 --> 00:53:00,510
heart to everything that George
did in that movie.
873
00:53:01,261 --> 00:53:04,389
George Miller gave me all
the tools that I needed
874
00:53:04,764 --> 00:53:07,768
to be Wez, and I'm
nothing like that character.
875
00:53:07,809 --> 00:53:11,863
I mean, there's no way in God's
Earth that I can ever be Wez.
876
00:53:12,187 --> 00:53:15,860
You! You can run
but you can't hide!
877
00:53:15,901 --> 00:53:19,821
They always used to say to me, "Just do it
at 150%, we can bring it down to 100."
878
00:53:25,535 --> 00:53:28,705
What he wanted was this
punk rock version of science fiction.
879
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,625
It's unthinkable that a
Mad Max film would do what
880
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:35,420
a Fast and Furious film does
and just throw in CGI.
881
00:53:35,462 --> 00:53:38,632
No, they worry about us knowing
the stunts were done for real
882
00:53:39,007 --> 00:53:42,093
and that kind of sense of
violence that came with that.
883
00:53:46,056 --> 00:53:47,308
We didn't use any
884
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:50,352
special effects on that one
that was in camera.
885
00:53:55,398 --> 00:53:58,194
Safety was a paramount concern.
886
00:53:58,235 --> 00:54:01,154
The vehicle I'm climbing onto,
which has 16 wheels,
887
00:54:01,195 --> 00:54:03,740
is going to run over me if I slip.
888
00:54:04,532 --> 00:54:06,910
one of the stunt guys that was on it
would just grab me.
889
00:54:09,162 --> 00:54:11,373
For a decade that was
all about the future
890
00:54:11,581 --> 00:54:14,251
and tech and computers and sci fi.
891
00:54:14,834 --> 00:54:16,587
It stripped all of that away.
892
00:54:16,628 --> 00:54:19,518
It's very prescient if you look at where
we’re going with the climate crisis.
893
00:54:19,565 --> 00:54:23,785
and how tribalism is sort of already
taking root and people are picking sides.
894
00:54:23,826 --> 00:54:25,809
You have defied me!
895
00:54:25,850 --> 00:54:27,850
You will know the vengeance of
The Lord Humungus!
896
00:54:31,559 --> 00:54:34,521
Road Warrior was a warning
of where we were headed.
897
00:54:34,980 --> 00:54:37,816
They weren't just doing a film,
they were out there
898
00:54:38,566 --> 00:54:41,987
showing people the dysfunction
that we were headed for.
899
00:54:45,615 --> 00:54:46,866
But we're there.
900
00:54:57,836 --> 00:54:59,922
When Star Wars came out,
901
00:54:59,963 --> 00:55:03,050
my dad was saying, "I think
we're going to get a call from Paramount
902
00:55:03,091 --> 00:55:05,969
"and they're going to want us back.
Wait and see."
903
00:55:11,975 --> 00:55:15,286
To dad, The Motion Picture was a
disappointing film on a number of levels.
904
00:55:15,812 --> 00:55:18,315
Star Trek is not as visionary as 2001.
905
00:55:18,356 --> 00:55:19,942
It's not as exuberant as Star Wars.
906
00:55:19,983 --> 00:55:24,405
Most of the industry thought that
after the poor reception of the first
907
00:55:24,446 --> 00:55:28,953
Star Trek film, that was going to be
pretty much the end of the franchise.
908
00:55:31,953 --> 00:55:35,248
It wasn't until the Nick Meyer showed
up, that things got back on track.
909
00:55:35,572 --> 00:55:38,172
Star Trek II.
910
00:55:38,496 --> 00:55:41,496
The Wrath of Khan.
911
00:55:41,546 --> 00:55:44,090
A lot of my choices
912
00:55:44,632 --> 00:55:48,928
were kind of in reaction to
Star Trek The Motion Picture,
913
00:55:49,179 --> 00:55:52,979
I wanted things to be more
confined, more submarine like.
914
00:55:53,098 --> 00:55:55,098
Torpedo's ready, sir.
915
00:55:57,812 --> 00:56:00,357
Star Trek II was classic storytelling.
916
00:56:05,403 --> 00:56:07,489
You had a wonderful actor,
917
00:56:07,530 --> 00:56:09,574
Ricardo Montalbán, Khan.
918
00:56:11,398 --> 00:56:13,398
Why?
919
00:56:13,661 --> 00:56:16,206
Yes, he was a little bit over the top.
920
00:56:16,247 --> 00:56:19,710
But it called for that.
921
00:56:19,751 --> 00:56:22,087
And, you know, Bill is no slouch
when it comes
922
00:56:22,128 --> 00:56:25,114
to emoting.
923
00:56:25,155 --> 00:56:26,091
Khan!!!
924
00:56:26,132 --> 00:56:30,054
They were a great combination.
The unstoppable force
925
00:56:30,095 --> 00:56:31,213
and the immovable object.
926
00:56:31,254 --> 00:56:33,254
They’re locking phasers.
Raise shields. Fire!
927
00:56:34,478 --> 00:56:35,642
Fire!
928
00:56:35,683 --> 00:56:36,685
And that's what you want.
929
00:56:36,726 --> 00:56:38,212
You want that kind of friction.
930
00:56:38,253 --> 00:56:40,253
Fire!
931
00:56:41,677 --> 00:56:43,650
Fire!
932
00:56:43,691 --> 00:56:47,488
They were always at each other's throats.
933
00:56:47,529 --> 00:56:50,990
With terrific character
building and terrific storytelling.
934
00:56:51,282 --> 00:56:53,661
I didn't think we could do better.
935
00:56:54,244 --> 00:56:55,785
And who do we have here?
936
00:56:55,826 --> 00:56:58,426
Midshipman first class.
Peter Preston, engineer's mate, sir!
937
00:56:58,498 --> 00:57:02,168
It was the most tension thick set
I've ever been on.
938
00:57:03,086 --> 00:57:06,924
It was a big film because of
the risk Paramount was taking,
939
00:57:06,965 --> 00:57:10,535
even doing the second film,
given how the first one was received.
940
00:57:10,576 --> 00:57:12,659
As a matter of cosmic history,
941
00:57:12,700 --> 00:57:15,725
it has always been easier to destroy
than to create.
942
00:57:15,849 --> 00:57:18,393
Bill was always acting like Kirk.
943
00:57:18,643 --> 00:57:20,104
He paraded around the set.
944
00:57:20,145 --> 00:57:23,816
He seemed pompous all the time,
and I just realized that he was just trying
945
00:57:23,857 --> 00:57:27,385
to stay in character, and I think Leonard
was doing very much the same thing.
946
00:57:27,426 --> 00:57:29,426
Any chance to go
aboard the Enterprise.
947
00:57:31,281 --> 00:57:33,575
George Takei was my favorite.
948
00:57:33,783 --> 00:57:38,204
Every single time George was finished
shooting, the door would burst open.
949
00:57:38,371 --> 00:57:41,791
All of a sudden we would hear
"Sulu got his close up today."
950
00:57:42,041 --> 00:57:46,629
And posture like-- like a superhero,
"Sulu looked pensively to the right today",
951
00:57:47,297 --> 00:57:53,197
creating some levity on the set, which was
desperately, desperately, desperately needed.
952
00:57:53,238 --> 00:57:55,738
I need warp speed in three minutes,
or we're all dead.
953
00:57:56,514 --> 00:58:01,227
Finding out that Spock actually
does die was overwhelming.
954
00:58:01,269 --> 00:58:03,021
I thought they can't do this.
955
00:58:03,062 --> 00:58:05,774
They can't do this.
But before the film came out,
956
00:58:05,815 --> 00:58:09,360
everybody knew
that Spock was going to die.
957
00:58:09,777 --> 00:58:13,865
We started getting threats about,
"If Spock dies, you die."
958
00:58:14,282 --> 00:58:16,910
This is all before the internet,
so how people heard about this
959
00:58:17,118 --> 00:58:18,613
I have no idea.
960
00:58:18,654 --> 00:58:20,654
the idea of this
demise of Spock,
961
00:58:20,830 --> 00:58:23,383
which dad just thought was
an interesting idea dramatically,
962
00:58:23,500 --> 00:58:25,969
He wasn't even thinking
about the repercussions.
963
00:58:26,169 --> 00:58:28,380
They thought that maybe
this was going to be the last film.
964
00:58:28,421 --> 00:58:30,673
There are going to be two films
and then be done with the franchise.
965
00:58:30,757 --> 00:58:32,614
Live long,
and prosper.
966
00:58:37,514 --> 00:58:41,476
He had much misgivings after that
and regret.
967
00:58:44,437 --> 00:58:46,689
Oh, by the end, it was like, whoa.
968
00:58:47,065 --> 00:58:49,400
Spock is really going to be dead.
969
00:58:49,943 --> 00:58:52,570
And I said,
"Hell yeah, he's got to be dead.
970
00:58:52,779 --> 00:58:56,450
"Otherwise, we've taken advantage
of thousands of people for whom
971
00:58:56,491 --> 00:58:57,951
"this is really important stuff.
972
00:58:57,992 --> 00:59:01,329
"And we're going to say at the end,
'oh folks, it was just a dry hustle.' "
973
00:59:01,746 --> 00:59:03,373
That's terrible.
974
00:59:03,414 --> 00:59:05,625
And I fought it tooth and nail,
975
00:59:05,833 --> 00:59:09,045
that coffin on the planet,
976
00:59:09,212 --> 00:59:12,049
and I think I was probably wrong.
977
00:59:12,090 --> 00:59:13,967
Death was never really death,
978
00:59:14,008 --> 00:59:19,013
it was always one eye on the box office
in the next incarnation of it.
979
00:59:19,055 --> 00:59:22,183
I always kind of looked
down my nose at that.
980
00:59:22,934 --> 00:59:25,437
There's plenty of room.
981
00:59:25,478 --> 00:59:27,772
They asked me if I wanted
to do Star Trek III.
982
00:59:27,939 --> 00:59:30,233
And I said, "What is that
going to be about?"
983
00:59:30,525 --> 00:59:33,570
And they said, "Well, it's about,
you know, Spock comes back", I go...
984
00:59:35,238 --> 00:59:36,532
"resurrection.
985
00:59:36,573 --> 00:59:38,908
"I don't think I know
how to do resurrection."
986
00:59:39,492 --> 00:59:40,994
So I didn't do it.
987
00:59:47,041 --> 00:59:49,545
There was a very personal,
988
00:59:49,586 --> 00:59:53,924
intimate nature to a lot of the
very grandiose storytelling
989
00:59:53,965 --> 00:59:58,469
in the '80s, and it was that contrast
that often made them work.
990
00:59:58,970 --> 01:00:01,372
A lot of that can be
attributed to Spielberg.
991
01:00:01,413 --> 01:00:07,213
Steven Spielberg's E.T.,
The Extra Terrestrial.
992
01:00:07,812 --> 01:00:11,941
E.T., especially when
you're a child, is such
993
01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:15,469
a roller coaster because you go through
so many different emotions.
994
01:00:15,510 --> 01:00:17,193
Can you say E.T.?
995
01:00:17,234 --> 01:00:19,217
E.T.
996
01:00:19,258 --> 01:00:21,258
E.T.
997
01:00:21,784 --> 01:00:24,437
Definitely a tear jerker.
998
01:00:24,478 --> 01:00:26,461
E.T.
999
01:00:26,502 --> 01:00:27,749
Eliot.
1000
01:00:27,790 --> 01:00:29,084
When he is hugging
him and saying
1001
01:00:29,125 --> 01:00:32,712
goodbye, I'm crying, I'm crying.
1002
01:00:34,339 --> 01:00:38,343
I cry every time I see it, every time.
1003
01:00:39,010 --> 01:00:43,223
This was supposed to be Steven's
little film in between
1004
01:00:43,264 --> 01:00:45,127
all his big blockbusters.
1005
01:00:45,168 --> 01:00:48,268
All of his films are actually
intensely personal films.
1006
01:00:48,603 --> 01:00:50,606
He grew up in a broken home.
1007
01:00:50,647 --> 01:00:55,109
His father left, his parents got divorced,
it had a very traumatic effect on him.
1008
01:00:55,485 --> 01:00:57,779
He's making personal films
about his own life,
1009
01:00:58,237 --> 01:01:01,157
just that the kind of
canvas is a bigger one.
1010
01:01:03,993 --> 01:01:06,163
Everything was changing
1011
01:01:06,204 --> 01:01:09,666
at that time within our
society, around the family.
1012
01:01:10,792 --> 01:01:14,962
I'm proud that I was able to portray
1013
01:01:15,421 --> 01:01:17,615
one of those first strong mothers.
1014
01:01:17,656 --> 01:01:19,639
Mommy, he can talk!
1015
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:23,780
Of course he can talk. I'll be right back,
in 10 minutes. Stay there.
1016
01:01:24,889 --> 01:01:27,141
I felt like I was honoring my own mom.
1017
01:01:31,020 --> 01:01:34,482
Steven, in a lot of ways is a child.
1018
01:01:35,108 --> 01:01:40,238
That's why I think he responds
and understands the kids
1019
01:01:40,571 --> 01:01:42,556
so well.
1020
01:01:42,597 --> 01:01:45,480
Only little kids can see him.
1021
01:01:45,521 --> 01:01:46,578
Give me a break.
1022
01:01:46,619 --> 01:01:50,248
There are certain movies
that are just so raw and honest
1023
01:01:50,289 --> 01:01:53,501
in their interpretation of youth,
and the kid ensemble in E.T.
1024
01:01:53,543 --> 01:01:54,986
is one of those.
1025
01:01:55,027 --> 01:01:57,010
E.T., phone home.
1026
01:01:57,051 --> 01:01:59,051
My God, he's talking now.
1027
01:01:59,757 --> 01:02:01,051
We used Reese's Pieces
1028
01:02:01,092 --> 01:02:05,596
instead of M&M's, because
M&M's turned us down,
1029
01:02:05,972 --> 01:02:09,475
and said "We don't think
we want to be involved with an alien."
1030
01:02:10,101 --> 01:02:11,436
Oh, my God.
1031
01:02:11,477 --> 01:02:13,771
Would you wanted to be the guy at M&M's
1032
01:02:14,439 --> 01:02:17,191
who turned down E.T.
1033
01:02:17,525 --> 01:02:20,487
Back in the '80s, there were
these latchkey kids
1034
01:02:20,528 --> 01:02:25,026
where you were allowed to go
out and run through the forest.
1035
01:02:25,150 --> 01:02:27,035
"Back by sunset, darling."
1036
01:02:27,076 --> 01:02:28,327
Definitely a different time.
1037
01:02:29,454 --> 01:02:30,414
Suburbia,
1038
01:02:30,455 --> 01:02:34,167
your parents were not around
you, involved in your world.
1039
01:02:34,208 --> 01:02:38,195
The adults were these just these things
out there outside of the frame.
1040
01:02:38,236 --> 01:02:40,236
No TV.
1041
01:02:41,257 --> 01:02:44,136
The scene where Henry walks down
1042
01:02:44,177 --> 01:02:49,182
and is showing E.T. all the toys,
Steven said, "Bring all your toys."
1043
01:02:49,557 --> 01:02:52,143
So those were all Henry's real toys.
1044
01:02:53,644 --> 01:02:56,589
I think Jaws was probably placed in there.
1045
01:02:56,630 --> 01:03:01,430
The shark eats the fish.
Nobody eats the shark.
1046
01:03:01,486 --> 01:03:02,654
I distinctly
1047
01:03:02,695 --> 01:03:07,074
remember the first day
I walked onto the sound stage.
1048
01:03:07,575 --> 01:03:09,286
There was a connection.
1049
01:03:09,327 --> 01:03:11,746
Steven did the voice when we shot.
1050
01:03:13,372 --> 01:03:17,294
Drew was very young, she really couldn't
1051
01:03:17,335 --> 01:03:21,214
distinguish the difference
between reality and fantasy.
1052
01:03:21,339 --> 01:03:24,258
We would put E.T. in a corner
when he wasn't working well,
1053
01:03:24,300 --> 01:03:26,178
she would be over talking to him.
1054
01:03:26,219 --> 01:03:29,388
So Steven had two guys
1055
01:03:30,056 --> 01:03:32,934
whose job it was to at all times
1056
01:03:32,975 --> 01:03:36,563
be on E.T. patrol
so that he could come alive
1057
01:03:36,663 --> 01:03:41,275
and Gertie would still not have
to suspend that, that belief.
1058
01:03:44,111 --> 01:03:45,864
We have to shoot his death scene.
1059
01:03:45,905 --> 01:03:49,283
I stooped down and I said, "Hi, Drew.
1060
01:03:49,367 --> 01:03:53,371
"We're going to go shoot the scene
where E.T. is dying,
1061
01:03:53,830 --> 01:03:58,084
"but E.T. is just acting like
we're acting, right?
1062
01:03:58,125 --> 01:03:59,336
"He's not really dying."
1063
01:03:59,377 --> 01:04:01,296
She goes, "I know, Dee.
1064
01:04:01,337 --> 01:04:03,715
"Do you think I'm stupid?"
1065
01:04:03,756 --> 01:04:07,385
So I picked her up and we walked in.
1066
01:04:07,426 --> 01:04:11,097
She took one look at E.T,
1067
01:04:11,166 --> 01:04:13,634
and went, "He's dying!"
1068
01:04:13,675 --> 01:04:15,952
Steven's going, "Roll it, roll it."
1069
01:04:15,993 --> 01:04:17,976
Clear!
1070
01:04:18,017 --> 01:04:19,689
We're losing him!
1071
01:04:19,730 --> 01:04:21,608
The message of the film itself
1072
01:04:21,649 --> 01:04:25,152
was all about love
and friendship and connection.
1073
01:04:25,778 --> 01:04:30,491
It surpasses our brains
and goes straight to our heart.
1074
01:04:31,450 --> 01:04:33,161
The audience was ready for it.
1075
01:04:33,202 --> 01:04:35,580
The world was ready for it.
1076
01:04:35,621 --> 01:04:39,292
And literally, it's our generation's
1077
01:04:39,333 --> 01:04:41,043
Wizard of Oz.
1078
01:04:42,067 --> 01:04:43,750
I'll
1079
01:04:43,791 --> 01:04:45,074
be
1080
01:04:45,115 --> 01:04:46,915
right
1081
01:04:47,139 --> 01:04:49,139
here.
1082
01:04:57,476 --> 01:05:02,148
The thing about Blade Runner that's so powerful
for me is just the visual storytelling.
1083
01:05:04,942 --> 01:05:07,486
The production design,
the cinematography,
1084
01:05:07,737 --> 01:05:10,574
the choreography is so outstanding,
1085
01:05:10,615 --> 01:05:12,783
it's so beautiful.
1086
01:05:15,536 --> 01:05:16,705
It looks really cool,
1087
01:05:16,746 --> 01:05:20,107
but it is everything we
have warned you against.
1088
01:05:20,148 --> 01:05:22,148
A new life awaits you
in the Off-world colonies.
1089
01:05:24,337 --> 01:05:25,714
Ridley Scott's brother,
1090
01:05:25,755 --> 01:05:29,300
Frank, had died, and one of the reasons
Ridley Scott made Blade Runner
1091
01:05:29,842 --> 01:05:32,720
because he was trying to work
his grief out, the only way he knew
1092
01:05:33,054 --> 01:05:36,557
which was making a film.
So it was going to be imbued with
1093
01:05:36,682 --> 01:05:38,709
that darkness.
1094
01:05:38,750 --> 01:05:42,233
Replicants are like any other machine.
They're either a benefit or a hazard.
1095
01:05:42,274 --> 01:05:44,774
If they're a benefit it's not my problem.
1096
01:05:44,899 --> 01:05:47,176
It's about our own life spans.
1097
01:05:47,217 --> 01:05:50,200
You were made as well
as we could make you.
1098
01:05:50,241 --> 01:05:52,224
But not to last.
1099
01:05:52,265 --> 01:05:54,965
The light that burns twice
as bright, burns half as long.
1100
01:05:55,034 --> 01:05:58,288
If we create a slave race,
does that make us God,
1101
01:05:58,329 --> 01:06:00,790
what is our moral duty to that?
1102
01:06:00,873 --> 01:06:02,875
What makes us human? Is it memory?
1103
01:06:04,001 --> 01:06:07,821
Incredibly detailed
themes about existence.
1104
01:06:07,862 --> 01:06:09,845
How can it not know
what it is?
1105
01:06:09,886 --> 01:06:14,804
Commerce is our goal here at Tyrell.
'More human than human' is our motto.
1106
01:06:15,054 --> 01:06:18,207
I love the replicants.
1107
01:06:18,248 --> 01:06:20,248
I think, Sebastian,
therefore I am.
1108
01:06:21,143 --> 01:06:23,647
Because they're the most
human characters in the film.
1109
01:06:23,688 --> 01:06:26,256
They've got the most life to them,
and it's kind of an irony.
1110
01:06:26,297 --> 01:06:29,880
My birthday is April 10, 2017.
How long do I live?
1111
01:06:29,921 --> 01:06:30,862
Four years.
1112
01:06:30,903 --> 01:06:33,949
Something is very human about
them, self-preservation,
1113
01:06:33,990 --> 01:06:38,369
wanting to matter,
beyond the role as the slave
1114
01:06:38,494 --> 01:06:41,914
or as a second class citizen,
I mean, this really is
1115
01:06:42,164 --> 01:06:43,916
anecdotal.
1116
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,440
You think I'm a replicant, don't you?
1117
01:06:47,628 --> 01:06:49,631
I felt that my character, Rachel,
1118
01:06:49,672 --> 01:06:52,032
was the heart and soul of that picture.
1119
01:06:52,073 --> 01:06:54,073
You play beautifully.
1120
01:06:57,138 --> 01:07:00,308
Walking in to do Blade Runner,
I thought I was going to meet
1121
01:07:00,349 --> 01:07:04,729
Han Solo. Harrison could be
funny on a dime if he wanted to be.
1122
01:07:05,021 --> 01:07:07,323
But he doesn't take prisoners.
1123
01:07:07,364 --> 01:07:08,847
He say you Blade Runner.
1124
01:07:08,888 --> 01:07:10,888
Tell him I'm eating.
1125
01:07:12,778 --> 01:07:15,824
Rutger had a certain sort
of dynamo personality,
1126
01:07:15,865 --> 01:07:19,661
and the character did as well,
and one of my favorite lines is after
1127
01:07:19,702 --> 01:07:22,938
he gets hit in the head, he goes,
"That's the spirit!" you know.
1128
01:07:22,979 --> 01:07:24,979
That's the spirit!
1129
01:07:25,041 --> 01:07:26,901
And he made it very iconic.
1130
01:07:27,235 --> 01:07:29,963
Quite an experience to
live in fear, isn't it?
1131
01:07:30,421 --> 01:07:33,382
I said to Ridley, why the unicorn?
1132
01:07:33,591 --> 01:07:37,219
And he says, "Well, I think I'm going to make
another movie after this about unicorns.
1133
01:07:37,344 --> 01:07:41,891
"And I don't think this character is
really human and I think he's not human."
1134
01:07:42,141 --> 01:07:44,727
And I went, "Really?"
1135
01:07:45,186 --> 01:07:48,565
I don't think they ended up
making that the case because I don't think
1136
01:07:48,606 --> 01:07:52,568
the executives felt that you could have
a leading man that wasn't human.
1137
01:07:52,818 --> 01:07:55,654
I remember seeing Blade
Runner at a theater
1138
01:07:55,738 --> 01:07:59,075
thinking to myself, my God,
what is that narration?
1139
01:07:59,283 --> 01:08:00,434
It's horrible.
1140
01:08:00,475 --> 01:08:05,858
They don't advertise for killers
in the newspaper. That was my profession.
1141
01:08:05,899 --> 01:08:06,750
Ex-cop.
1142
01:08:06,791 --> 01:08:08,168
It looked like somebody had
1143
01:08:08,209 --> 01:08:10,694
fooled around with it
other than a director.
1144
01:08:10,735 --> 01:08:13,818
Replicants weren't
supposed to have feelings.
1145
01:08:13,859 --> 01:08:15,842
Neither were
Blade Runners.
1146
01:08:15,883 --> 01:08:17,968
Ridley Scott shared with me
1147
01:08:18,094 --> 01:08:21,514
the studio was so concerned
that no one was going to know
1148
01:08:21,597 --> 01:08:24,559
what kind of movie they
were watching, that they insisted
1149
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:26,936
that he put the narration
up at the beginning.
1150
01:08:27,686 --> 01:08:29,189
This is what he said to me.
1151
01:08:29,230 --> 01:08:33,860
He and Harrison conspired with each other
to make it the worst piece of narration
1152
01:08:33,901 --> 01:08:37,697
they could possibly record
in order to get the studio to say,
1153
01:08:37,738 --> 01:08:40,057
"We can't even use this,
it's just so awful."
1154
01:08:40,098 --> 01:08:42,981
The report would be
'routine retirement of a replicant'.
1155
01:08:43,022 --> 01:08:46,922
Which didn't make me feel any better
about shooting a woman in the back.
1156
01:08:47,957 --> 01:08:49,459
But they ended up using it.
1157
01:08:49,500 --> 01:08:52,920
The precedent hadn't been set
for a film like Blade Runner.
1158
01:08:53,337 --> 01:08:55,631
I think that was
probably ahead of its time.
1159
01:08:55,756 --> 01:08:58,134
That's sort of the brilliant
part about Ridley,
1160
01:08:58,175 --> 01:09:02,555
he's constantly thinking and imagining
and ripping things up in his mind,
1161
01:09:02,596 --> 01:09:05,183
and that's what makes him
the artist that he is.
1162
01:09:05,224 --> 01:09:07,126
His brain went there.
1163
01:09:07,167 --> 01:09:09,150
Like
1164
01:09:09,191 --> 01:09:11,191
tears
1165
01:09:12,415 --> 01:09:14,415
in rain.
1166
01:09:20,190 --> 01:09:22,173
The good guys always win!
1167
01:09:22,214 --> 01:09:24,214
Even in the '80s.
1168
01:09:26,537 --> 01:09:27,539
Ace Hunter,
1169
01:09:27,580 --> 01:09:29,999
who I played was just
the ultimate good guy.
1170
01:09:30,666 --> 01:09:33,627
Hal Needham always said it's very simple,
1171
01:09:33,919 --> 01:09:36,422
"It's the good guys against the bad guys."
1172
01:09:36,672 --> 01:09:41,802
The original script was more like
a real shoot 'em up, G.I. Joe,
1173
01:09:42,386 --> 01:09:44,314
You know, slaughter the
enemy kind of movie.
1174
01:09:44,389 --> 01:09:46,850
and Hal said, "No, no,
I don't want to do that."
1175
01:09:46,891 --> 01:09:50,311
You can't go up against Blade Runner
with MegaForce
1176
01:09:50,352 --> 01:09:53,439
and think that you're going to
have that same audience.
1177
01:09:53,480 --> 01:09:55,816
You know, our audience was
twelve-year-olds.
1178
01:10:03,657 --> 01:10:09,370
Mattel Toys was very influential in
terms of how these vehicles
1179
01:10:09,955 --> 01:10:12,024
would be designed, colors and shapes.
1180
01:10:12,065 --> 01:10:15,048
Primary objective, is to trick
Guerera to cross the border,
1181
01:10:15,089 --> 01:10:18,089
bringing him in your territory at
a predetermined time and place.
1182
01:10:18,923 --> 01:10:23,177
Hal Needham, his wife saw me
in Pirates of Penzance on stage,
1183
01:10:23,636 --> 01:10:27,765
and she went home and said to Hal,
"I've got your Ace Hunter right here."
1184
01:10:28,474 --> 01:10:31,853
When they offered me the part,
we had to make Ace Hunter
1185
01:10:31,894 --> 01:10:35,564
look exactly like the Pirate King
in the Pirates of Penzance,
1186
01:10:36,315 --> 01:10:41,487
from the headband to the
beard to the hair, this sort of swagger
1187
01:10:41,528 --> 01:10:47,910
and slightly over-the-top superhero
attitude which I like to call overacting.
1188
01:10:57,169 --> 01:11:01,674
The Ace Hunter outfits and all of the outfits
were designed by Mattel toys.
1189
01:11:02,049 --> 01:11:04,761
There wasn't a costume
designer on this movie,
1190
01:11:04,802 --> 01:11:07,054
which is so totally unusual.
1191
01:11:08,264 --> 01:11:10,599
Spandex, right?
1192
01:11:13,435 --> 01:11:16,480
I think I was stoned most of the time,
if you want to know the truth.
1193
01:11:16,647 --> 01:11:19,650
And then the AD would come
tap me on the shoulder and say,
1194
01:11:19,858 --> 01:11:21,861
"Oh, listen, we need you in an hour."
1195
01:11:21,902 --> 01:11:25,197
Just pour me in the outfit.
1196
01:11:25,614 --> 01:11:29,368
My guys so international in their makeup.
1197
01:11:29,827 --> 01:11:33,914
All the characters in MegaForce
were one dimensional characters.
1198
01:11:34,248 --> 01:11:37,085
And that's part of the fun of it,
because that's what makes it
1199
01:11:37,126 --> 01:11:38,503
that sort of cartoon.
1200
01:11:38,795 --> 01:11:41,902
But I'll tell you, son,
we did raise some kind of hell!
1201
01:11:42,548 --> 01:11:45,843
Edward Mulhare, probably better
known afterwards for Knight Rider,
1202
01:11:46,302 --> 01:11:50,723
putting it together that international
fighting for his secretively.
1203
01:11:50,764 --> 01:11:52,516
He probably didn't pay his taxes.
1204
01:11:54,435 --> 01:11:56,937
And Persis Khambatta played Zara.
1205
01:11:57,396 --> 01:11:59,815
It's too bad that she
wasn't prettier. Huh?
1206
01:12:01,275 --> 01:12:03,528
Jesus, she was gorgeous
1207
01:12:03,569 --> 01:12:04,887
and she had her hair.
1208
01:12:05,096 --> 01:12:06,405
Kirk unit.
1209
01:12:07,031 --> 01:12:08,041
Kirk unit.
1210
01:12:08,782 --> 01:12:10,552
I always thought
we were going to make
1211
01:12:10,593 --> 01:12:15,222
a Megaforce II and a MegaForce III.
When Megaforce I took a dump,
1212
01:12:15,831 --> 01:12:18,376
we never got to the point of that.
1213
01:12:18,417 --> 01:12:23,881
MegaForce Deeds, Not Words I think was
going to be the name of the second one.
1214
01:12:23,922 --> 01:12:27,634
The script is still out there somewhere.
1215
01:12:30,429 --> 01:12:33,516
When anybody mentions MegaForce,
they just make fun of it.
1216
01:12:33,557 --> 01:12:36,685
You never make a movie thinking
it's going to be a cult movie.
1217
01:12:37,144 --> 01:12:40,023
Who even knew about cult movies
when we were doing
1218
01:12:40,064 --> 01:12:43,400
Rocky Horror Picture Show?
1219
01:12:43,734 --> 01:12:47,196
It's not Hamlet, for God sakes.
1220
01:12:57,220 --> 01:12:59,220
Tron.
1221
01:13:01,126 --> 01:13:02,253
He is a programmer,
1222
01:13:02,294 --> 01:13:06,006
but he gets sucked into this world
and ends up taking the whole system down.
1223
01:13:07,508 --> 01:13:08,542
Little guy.
1224
01:13:09,301 --> 01:13:10,720
What a concept.
1225
01:13:10,761 --> 01:13:13,055
What if we went down in there
and it was actually a world?
1226
01:13:16,975 --> 01:13:18,978
I auditioned for Star Wars.
1227
01:13:19,019 --> 01:13:20,730
I didn't get that one.
1228
01:13:20,771 --> 01:13:25,234
I looked at this and I said, Well,
it kind of looks like space. Okay.
1229
01:13:26,026 --> 01:13:28,195
I felt a part of a pioneering effort.
1230
01:13:29,113 --> 01:13:32,991
And Steven Lisberger,
the creator of this, I call him Yoda.
1231
01:13:34,034 --> 01:13:36,120
Everything was hanging on this.
1232
01:13:36,161 --> 01:13:38,623
That's a lot of responsibility.
1233
01:13:38,664 --> 01:13:42,209
We could miserably fail.
1234
01:13:42,918 --> 01:13:45,921
Or we could wildly succeed.
1235
01:13:45,963 --> 01:13:50,385
If you look at the performances
by Jeff Bridges, Bruce Boxleitner,
1236
01:13:50,426 --> 01:13:56,223
Cindy Morgan, who had to
act in front of nothing.
1237
01:13:57,558 --> 01:13:59,018
So what am I looking at?
1238
01:13:59,059 --> 01:14:01,311
Okay, you're looking at the Solar Sailer.
1239
01:14:01,562 --> 01:14:03,230
Here's a sketch.
1240
01:14:06,900 --> 01:14:08,236
We wore hockey
1241
01:14:08,277 --> 01:14:11,405
helmets and motocross shoulder pads.
1242
01:14:11,822 --> 01:14:14,324
We were wearing what a male
ballet dancer would wear.
1243
01:14:14,616 --> 01:14:17,995
It was probably the early
thong, male thong.
1244
01:14:21,331 --> 01:14:22,333
Tron was a warrior.
1245
01:14:22,374 --> 01:14:24,327
He dominated the game grid.
1246
01:14:24,368 --> 01:14:26,351
Who's that guy?
1247
01:14:26,392 --> 01:14:28,392
That's Tron.
He fights for The Users.
1248
01:14:30,215 --> 01:14:34,470
I would get my frisbee
and we'd play with our discs like
1249
01:14:34,511 --> 01:14:37,764
just the battles and stuff
and pretend I had a light cycle.
1250
01:14:40,893 --> 01:14:42,645
They loved the light cycles.
1251
01:14:42,686 --> 01:14:43,646
I never saw it.
1252
01:14:43,687 --> 01:14:47,065
It was a stick in front
of me with a crossbar.
1253
01:14:47,733 --> 01:14:49,527
We were all standing there
and they kind of
1254
01:14:50,903 --> 01:14:51,937
we bent over.
1255
01:14:52,029 --> 01:14:53,155
And that was it.
1256
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:56,575
And I did the whole chase like that.
1257
01:14:58,499 --> 01:15:00,982
Finish the game!
1258
01:15:01,023 --> 01:15:02,415
No!
1259
01:15:02,456 --> 01:15:05,125
David Warner, who played the villain Sark,
1260
01:15:05,751 --> 01:15:09,046
who I had to have my final big battle
with, was not a physical guy.
1261
01:15:11,256 --> 01:15:13,926
So he had to be doubled
through most of it.
1262
01:15:18,514 --> 01:15:20,016
People were encouraged
1263
01:15:20,057 --> 01:15:22,851
to put what they call Easter eggs.
1264
01:15:23,393 --> 01:15:27,648
one of the compositors
had put in Pac-Man.
1265
01:15:27,773 --> 01:15:29,317
We loved it.
1266
01:15:29,358 --> 01:15:32,736
The Solar Sailer
going over the landscape
1267
01:15:32,945 --> 01:15:35,697
and seeing the outline of Mickey Mouse.
1268
01:15:36,198 --> 01:15:37,908
What a great idea.
1269
01:15:38,632 --> 01:15:39,915
Alan
1270
01:15:39,956 --> 01:15:41,939
Where did you hear that name?
1271
01:15:41,980 --> 01:15:43,763
Well, that's your name, isn't it?
1272
01:15:43,804 --> 01:15:45,191
Name of my user.
1273
01:15:45,415 --> 01:15:49,754
There's a theological element
to Tron from the perspective
1274
01:15:49,795 --> 01:15:53,950
of the programs inside the computer,
and that question is, are the users real?
1275
01:15:54,367 --> 01:15:55,785
The user even wrote you!
1276
01:15:55,843 --> 01:15:59,930
No one user wrote me.
I'm worth millions of their man-years.
1277
01:16:00,013 --> 01:16:02,975
Should we believe in the users
1278
01:16:03,308 --> 01:16:06,853
and use it to resist the oppression
of the Master Control Program?
1279
01:16:06,979 --> 01:16:10,608
It becomes this meditation
on faith, where science
1280
01:16:10,649 --> 01:16:13,426
and theology collide.
1281
01:16:13,467 --> 01:16:15,450
If you are a user.
1282
01:16:15,491 --> 01:16:18,074
And everything you've done has
been according to the plan, right?
1283
01:16:18,115 --> 01:16:19,659
You wish.
1284
01:16:19,700 --> 01:16:22,495
When I saw the final product,
1285
01:16:22,536 --> 01:16:24,871
I felt like a proud father.
1286
01:16:25,497 --> 01:16:29,251
And it was basically F you
to the rest of Hollywood.
1287
01:16:29,751 --> 01:16:31,921
You thought we couldn't do it?
1288
01:16:31,962 --> 01:16:34,673
Yeah. Well, how do you like us now?
1289
01:16:36,300 --> 01:16:38,094
For those kids
1290
01:16:38,135 --> 01:16:40,762
in all those arcades throughout
the country, in the world,
1291
01:16:41,305 --> 01:16:45,475
they got it, and I knew then
that we had a revolutionary thing.
1292
01:16:45,851 --> 01:16:49,337
It's not going to be appreciated
now, but it will be.
1293
01:16:49,378 --> 01:16:51,378
End of line.
1294
01:16:58,363 --> 01:17:00,074
The movie-going experience
1295
01:17:00,115 --> 01:17:05,912
became something that started way before
you could actually go see the movie,
1296
01:17:05,954 --> 01:17:09,649
a movie is a product just
like Coca-Cola is a product.
1297
01:17:09,690 --> 01:17:11,690
I did it again.
Catch the wave. Coke.
1298
01:17:12,461 --> 01:17:15,006
It's putting the name in your head
1299
01:17:15,047 --> 01:17:19,217
so that you will think about it
and feel interested in it.
1300
01:17:19,509 --> 01:17:20,636
You have to remember
1301
01:17:20,677 --> 01:17:25,182
if it's at all possible, that in the 1980s
there was no such thing as the internet.
1302
01:17:25,390 --> 01:17:30,229
What we knew of future films
was given to us by the lobby of the cinema
1303
01:17:30,270 --> 01:17:33,148
where we were currently
going to see a film.
1304
01:17:36,610 --> 01:17:38,154
And it was a thrilling thing.
1305
01:17:38,195 --> 01:17:40,489
There was that little moment
where you looked at the poster
1306
01:17:40,530 --> 01:17:44,201
and you started to make the film
in your head as you looked at it.
1307
01:17:44,409 --> 01:17:45,911
All we had to go on was the title,
1308
01:17:45,952 --> 01:17:50,916
the tagline and the imagery.
I remember that first great image
1309
01:17:50,957 --> 01:17:55,087
from Star Wars: Luke holding
the lightsaber, it's evocative of medieval,
1310
01:17:55,379 --> 01:17:58,632
whether it's the Tom Jung version
or the Hildebrandt Brothers version.
1311
01:17:58,882 --> 01:18:01,696
It was such a powerful
image, and still is.
1312
01:18:01,737 --> 01:18:03,095
Back in those days,
1313
01:18:03,136 --> 01:18:05,806
movie posters were
legitimate works of art.
1314
01:18:07,557 --> 01:18:08,726
Now we know them.
1315
01:18:08,767 --> 01:18:11,728
You know, it's
kind of great range of artists.
1316
01:18:12,145 --> 01:18:15,281
Bob Peak who did all The Star Trek posters,
Drew Struzan,
1317
01:18:15,357 --> 01:18:16,400
who's now a legend.
1318
01:18:16,441 --> 01:18:19,111
And Robert McGinnis
and John Berkey and others.
1319
01:18:19,319 --> 01:18:23,032
It's a great range of artists
who have become cult
1320
01:18:23,073 --> 01:18:25,826
figures and the whole idea of
science fiction poster art
1321
01:18:26,159 --> 01:18:29,705
has become a collectible
and desirable in its own right.
1322
01:18:31,707 --> 01:18:32,875
Brilliant marketing,
1323
01:18:32,916 --> 01:18:38,004
the Michelangelo picture
has so much meaning to us.
1324
01:18:38,046 --> 01:18:41,967
I thought it was a brilliant
representation of that.
1325
01:18:42,884 --> 01:18:45,595
Tron was a poster
that was very important to me.
1326
01:18:45,721 --> 01:18:46,889
Great visual idea.
1327
01:18:46,930 --> 01:18:49,683
The Thing had a fabulous poster.
1328
01:18:50,642 --> 01:18:52,728
For me, really, the next level
1329
01:18:52,769 --> 01:18:57,784
in terms of poster art is the VHS box,
because when you went into
1330
01:18:57,825 --> 01:19:01,203
video stores, that's what you
were using to make your choices.
1331
01:19:02,946 --> 01:19:05,408
A movie that had been playing
to crickets in theaters
1332
01:19:05,449 --> 01:19:08,368
was now a movie that people thought,
'oh, this must have been a big hit.'
1333
01:19:08,618 --> 01:19:12,206
I think partly because of the appeal
of what was on the box. That transformed
1334
01:19:12,247 --> 01:19:15,567
what people remember about
the success of these pictures.
1335
01:19:15,608 --> 01:19:16,961
What a difference!
1336
01:19:17,002 --> 01:19:21,506
If you weren't alive in the '80s,
you will never know the unbelievable
1337
01:19:21,673 --> 01:19:24,635
high stakes selection
1338
01:19:24,676 --> 01:19:27,721
process at the video store.
1339
01:19:28,096 --> 01:19:31,267
You kind of flipped it around and looked
at some of the words in the background
1340
01:19:31,308 --> 01:19:34,687
and read maybe a few of them and looked
at some of the quotes, "Two thumbs up
1341
01:19:34,728 --> 01:19:35,896
"Roger Ebert", you know?
1342
01:19:35,937 --> 01:19:40,442
But it was the image on the front
that made you excited and our hunger
1343
01:19:40,901 --> 01:19:44,321
not only to know
about the worlds of the film,
1344
01:19:44,696 --> 01:19:48,950
but also to know about how they made
the worlds of the film began to grow.
1345
01:19:50,035 --> 01:19:50,911
The audience was
1346
01:19:50,952 --> 01:19:54,581
very intelligent, and I said,
"I think we can do a magazine
1347
01:19:54,915 --> 01:19:59,086
"that will target people like me
that have been a science fiction fan
1348
01:19:59,127 --> 01:20:03,215
"since I was a kid that really covered
all the stuff that I love."
1349
01:20:03,882 --> 01:20:06,301
Geeks grew not out of necessarily
1350
01:20:06,384 --> 01:20:10,555
wanting to be Luke Skywalker,
but because they wanted to be George Lucas.
1351
01:20:11,264 --> 01:20:14,726
They wanted to become filmmakers,
and they wanted to understand film
1352
01:20:15,018 --> 01:20:16,771
as much about the story it told.
1353
01:20:16,812 --> 01:20:20,607
But the story that went on behind
the scenes as well, and this expanded
1354
01:20:20,649 --> 01:20:23,860
across the 1980s.
1355
01:20:23,985 --> 01:20:28,491
I told George Lucas, when I met him,
"Your movie made my magazine a success
1356
01:20:28,532 --> 01:20:31,744
"because when it came out,
suddenly the whole audience
1357
01:20:31,785 --> 01:20:35,206
"for science fiction
came alive.
1358
01:20:35,247 --> 01:20:37,082
"They want to know
1359
01:20:37,123 --> 01:20:40,210
"facts, information, knowledge.
1360
01:20:40,377 --> 01:20:42,003
"That's what we were giving them."
1361
01:20:42,963 --> 01:20:45,131
Starlog, Cinefantastique,
1362
01:20:45,465 --> 01:20:48,819
Cinefex is very much hardcore making of.
1363
01:20:48,860 --> 01:20:50,271
Premiere.
1364
01:20:50,595 --> 01:20:54,850
Then in 1989 in Britain, Empire was born,
which I went on to work for.
1365
01:20:56,226 --> 01:20:58,437
one of the things I did at Lucasfilm
1366
01:20:58,478 --> 01:21:04,568
was I started and oversaw
the first few years of the official
1367
01:21:04,609 --> 01:21:09,614
Star Wars fan club, and for far less money
than it cost us to operate,
1368
01:21:09,656 --> 01:21:14,537
you could join and we sent out
a membership kit with an exclusive poster
1369
01:21:14,578 --> 01:21:20,250
and photographs and stuff, and a
quarterly newsletter called Bantha Tracks.
1370
01:21:20,458 --> 01:21:22,961
We wanted to keep fans
interested and happy.
1371
01:21:23,795 --> 01:21:26,214
Fandom developed around these magazines.
1372
01:21:26,715 --> 01:21:30,176
We created a place for the reader to come
1373
01:21:30,552 --> 01:21:35,098
and pour out their geekdom
and be amongst like minded people.
1374
01:21:35,432 --> 01:21:40,437
There was a point in the '80s when the
marketing and the product placement
1375
01:21:40,478 --> 01:21:44,441
and the sort of eye towards what
these films were going to do beyond
1376
01:21:44,691 --> 01:21:49,029
when you left the theater would
sometimes overtake the movie themselves.
1377
01:21:49,253 --> 01:21:51,253
Don't you worry.
1378
01:21:54,993 --> 01:21:56,954
Suddenly, you've got
1379
01:21:56,995 --> 01:21:59,623
songs from movies
that are on Billboard charts.
1380
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:03,503
Ray Parker Jr. from Ghostbusters,
that was so fantastic.
1381
01:22:03,544 --> 01:22:06,243
If there's something strange
In your neighborhood
1382
01:22:07,130 --> 01:22:09,300
MTV, they would take a
song from the movie
1383
01:22:09,341 --> 01:22:11,910
and make a video,
and it made it really fun.
1384
01:22:11,951 --> 01:22:13,951
- Who you gonna call?
- Ghostbusters!
1385
01:22:14,220 --> 01:22:17,974
You associated all those things together
and then you wanted to see the movie.
1386
01:22:19,059 --> 01:22:21,169
It was kind of incredible marketing.
1387
01:22:21,210 --> 01:22:23,193
Look at the stereo.
1388
01:22:23,234 --> 01:22:25,217
No, no, no, don't touch it.
It's not a stereo, it's--
1389
01:22:25,258 --> 01:22:25,983
What is it?
1390
01:22:26,024 --> 01:22:28,568
And this is how films grew in our heads.
1391
01:22:28,693 --> 01:22:31,655
It was a way of enticing you in.
These days, they're much more
1392
01:22:31,696 --> 01:22:35,283
like an accompaniment
of the whole hype machine.
1393
01:22:35,617 --> 01:22:37,286
But we didn't know what hype was.
1394
01:22:37,327 --> 01:22:40,747
I mean, we experienced it without
putting a name on it back in the '80s.
1395
01:22:40,872 --> 01:22:45,544
So that's all part of our
advertising and publicity.
1396
01:22:45,585 --> 01:22:47,296
It just makes sense.
1397
01:22:47,337 --> 01:22:49,381
Who's going to want to go see this movie?
1398
01:22:49,547 --> 01:22:51,424
Let's let them know about it.
1399
01:22:52,148 --> 01:22:54,348
I'd buy that for a dollar!
1400
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:09,703
SpaceHunter.
1401
01:23:09,744 --> 01:23:11,727
Adventures In The Forbidden Zone.
1402
01:23:11,768 --> 01:23:13,768
In 3-D.
1403
01:23:14,322 --> 01:23:18,577
So the first big 3-D science fiction movie
of the '80s was Spacehunter
1404
01:23:18,618 --> 01:23:20,745
Adventures in the Forbidden Zone.
1405
01:23:24,624 --> 01:23:27,086
For some reason, all of these '80s
1406
01:23:27,127 --> 01:23:30,755
3-D sci fi movies have
really long, wordy titles.
1407
01:23:31,923 --> 01:23:35,301
I remember seeing a lot of these
'80s 3-D movies in the theater.
1408
01:23:35,593 --> 01:23:38,596
I was their target audience.
1409
01:23:38,888 --> 01:23:41,266
I was the one who sort of pitched
1410
01:23:41,307 --> 01:23:44,352
doing it in 3-D.
1411
01:23:44,686 --> 01:23:47,313
I thought the title was right.
1412
01:23:48,440 --> 01:23:51,526
It is the kind of
science fiction exploitation movie
1413
01:23:51,651 --> 01:23:55,030
that was popular at the time.
1414
01:23:57,824 --> 01:23:59,451
Three women have crashed
1415
01:23:59,492 --> 01:24:03,246
landed on this planet
and they get captured.
1416
01:24:06,916 --> 01:24:07,835
Michael Ironside
1417
01:24:07,876 --> 01:24:10,962
is the villain in this film,
his role is the Overdog.
1418
01:24:11,046 --> 01:24:15,349
I imagine he hated the makeup process,
but enjoyed the scenery eating.
1419
01:24:15,390 --> 01:24:18,373
Ah, you can't hurt me.
1420
01:24:18,414 --> 01:24:21,306
But I can hurt you.
1421
01:24:21,347 --> 01:24:24,625
Peter Strauss plays the pilot,
the Han Solo knockoff character.
1422
01:24:24,666 --> 01:24:26,353
Whatever you say, princess.
1423
01:24:26,394 --> 01:24:29,606
Molly Ringwald, who at this point in time
is very pre–Brat Pack plays
1424
01:24:29,647 --> 01:24:32,967
Niki, a sort of an urchin pain
in the butt character.
1425
01:24:33,008 --> 01:24:34,991
What the hell are you?
1426
01:24:35,032 --> 01:24:38,032
What do you think I am, you scrawny earthbag?
I'm a woman!
1427
01:24:38,073 --> 01:24:40,409
A pre Ghostbusters, Ernie
Hudson is in this movie
1428
01:24:40,450 --> 01:24:44,579
as a rival smuggler slash pilot,
opportunistic guy, and they end up
1429
01:24:44,746 --> 01:24:47,148
one-upping each other through the film,
before coming together.
1430
01:24:47,189 --> 01:24:50,189
Just look at it.
Look at what you did!
1431
01:24:51,413 --> 01:24:53,213
It's ruined!
1432
01:24:53,338 --> 01:24:56,341
There's a lot of location shooting,
some very impressive landscapes.
1433
01:24:56,466 --> 01:24:59,427
They really make it look bigger
than it has any right to be.
1434
01:25:01,721 --> 01:25:03,140
John LaFleur was the young
1435
01:25:03,181 --> 01:25:07,227
Canadian filmmaker
that sort of invented this story
1436
01:25:07,352 --> 01:25:11,064
initially, but he had very
little film experience.
1437
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:15,860
He fell behind very quickly
and we had to make a change
1438
01:25:16,444 --> 01:25:18,696
in our filmmakers and
we found Lamont Johnson.
1439
01:25:19,572 --> 01:25:22,951
His concept was to try to make it
as realistic as possible
1440
01:25:23,368 --> 01:25:26,830
and sort of didn't take
advantage of the fun of it.
1441
01:25:30,458 --> 01:25:33,211
I felt that Spacehunter was
a little bit of a lost
1442
01:25:33,253 --> 01:25:38,375
opportunity finally, given the cast and
the concept and the use of native 3-D.
1443
01:25:38,416 --> 01:25:42,462
Using two cameras,
using two projectors to show it
1444
01:25:43,096 --> 01:25:45,557
kind of impossible
from a commercial standpoint
1445
01:25:45,890 --> 01:25:47,309
in terms of exhibition.
1446
01:25:47,350 --> 01:25:48,852
But it really looked beautiful
1447
01:25:48,893 --> 01:25:52,797
when you could see it
in its original form.
1448
01:25:52,838 --> 01:25:54,838
Let the games begin!
1449
01:25:59,988 --> 01:26:02,782
Star Wars
had this wonderful level of authenticity.
1450
01:26:04,367 --> 01:26:07,579
Just required a lot less
of that suspension of disbelief.
1451
01:26:07,662 --> 01:26:09,747
That was a real revolution
in storytelling.
1452
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:13,460
What cinema could do and
storytelling could do,
1453
01:26:13,501 --> 01:26:17,506
and the connection with the audience can do,
was absolutely at its height.
1454
01:26:17,547 --> 01:26:22,059
I think that even for Lucas, the
expectation became Unattainably high.
1455
01:26:26,723 --> 01:26:27,641
There's stuff in Jedi
1456
01:26:27,682 --> 01:26:30,894
that is absolutely masterful
that I have really fond memories of.
1457
01:26:33,999 --> 01:26:35,983
Get alongside that one.
1458
01:26:36,024 --> 01:26:37,276
The chase through the forest,
1459
01:26:37,317 --> 01:26:41,196
which is like an epic piece of cinema.
1460
01:26:41,988 --> 01:26:45,283
I love that sequence so much.
1461
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:52,882
I did go see Return of the Jedi
23 times in the theater.
1462
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:57,504
The Sarlacc Pit and Jabba's
is going to throw them all in there,
1463
01:26:57,545 --> 01:26:59,756
but Luke's got the plan with R2.
1464
01:27:07,347 --> 01:27:08,782
You'd think that
there would have been
1465
01:27:08,823 --> 01:27:12,393
this big battle with Boba Fett
and someone and Han, right?
1466
01:27:12,435 --> 01:27:18,107
He just gets like accidentally rocket
packed into the side of Jabba's
1467
01:27:18,149 --> 01:27:20,185
big space cruiser.
1468
01:27:20,226 --> 01:27:22,226
And becomes a burp joke.
1469
01:27:24,822 --> 01:27:25,741
Boba Fett
1470
01:27:25,782 --> 01:27:30,370
first showed up in the Star Wars
Holiday Special in the animated sequence.
1471
01:27:32,455 --> 01:27:36,877
He was supposed to be the main villain
1472
01:27:36,918 --> 01:27:41,464
in the movie that turned out
to be called Return of the Jedi.
1473
01:27:41,506 --> 01:27:46,469
It was all going to be about
chasing Boba, rescuing Han Solo.
1474
01:27:46,719 --> 01:27:50,766
But during the making
of Empire, George decided
1475
01:27:50,807 --> 01:27:55,019
he did not want to make
more Star Wars movies.
1476
01:27:55,478 --> 01:27:58,273
I was sitting with him
in a sound mixing room,
1477
01:27:58,314 --> 01:28:01,818
and he told me that he'd made
this decision and was going to end,
1478
01:28:01,859 --> 01:28:05,530
and that's why he was going
to condense the third trilogy
1479
01:28:06,030 --> 01:28:09,826
and the redemption of Darth Vader
into Return of the Jedi.
1480
01:28:11,703 --> 01:28:13,163
And then, Boba
1481
01:28:13,204 --> 01:28:15,874
he went from going to be a big star
1482
01:28:15,915 --> 01:28:19,210
to an afterthought.
1483
01:28:19,752 --> 01:28:21,713
When we came onto the set,
1484
01:28:21,754 --> 01:28:24,424
they had these shirts
that said Blue Harvest.
1485
01:28:25,633 --> 01:28:30,179
Sort of like just a distraction
for the local people that they wouldn't
1486
01:28:30,388 --> 01:28:32,724
find out that we were
doing a Star Wars movie
1487
01:28:32,932 --> 01:28:36,520
the first time we go out to dinner
and Carrie Fisher, Mark Hamill, my father,
1488
01:28:36,561 --> 01:28:38,563
you know, Harrison Ford,
are having dinner together.
1489
01:28:38,604 --> 01:28:41,190
They're going to figure it out real quick.
1490
01:28:41,566 --> 01:28:44,193
Corey and I have always
been very, very close.
1491
01:28:44,527 --> 01:28:47,196
He traveled a lot with
me whenever I did movies,
1492
01:28:47,655 --> 01:28:50,199
stood in for me.
1493
01:28:50,575 --> 01:28:52,995
The opportunity to be
a part of the Star Wars
1494
01:28:53,036 --> 01:28:55,663
franchise was - couldn't overlook that.
1495
01:28:58,416 --> 01:29:00,419
When he fell into the pit,
1496
01:29:00,460 --> 01:29:03,671
Han is trying to shoot
the tentacle off of his leg.
1497
01:29:03,713 --> 01:29:07,091
An explosive charge went
off and went into his foot.
1498
01:29:08,634 --> 01:29:10,095
And burned his foot,
1499
01:29:10,136 --> 01:29:13,848
so they put me in Lando's outfit,
they hung me over the side.
1500
01:29:13,890 --> 01:29:16,309
They didn't tell me all these
explosions were going to happen.
1501
01:29:16,434 --> 01:29:18,478
I guess they got a
genuine reaction out of me.
1502
01:29:18,978 --> 01:29:23,066
And then they needed someone
to put on Klaatu’s mask.
1503
01:29:23,483 --> 01:29:24,901
He was just a random creature.
1504
01:29:24,942 --> 01:29:28,280
He was going to run towards Skywalker,
get into a quick skirmish,
1505
01:29:28,321 --> 01:29:30,782
and I couldn't see a thing.
1506
01:29:31,866 --> 01:29:34,619
It was sort of like a random
last minute thing.
1507
01:29:34,869 --> 01:29:36,996
And here I am, an action figure.
1508
01:29:39,749 --> 01:29:41,209
The big battle at the end,
1509
01:29:41,250 --> 01:29:45,380
the Death Star and then everyone
on Endor waiting for, you know, Han
1510
01:29:45,546 --> 01:29:48,925
will get that shield down,
we got to give him more time.
1511
01:29:49,217 --> 01:29:51,327
Go Billy Dee.
1512
01:29:51,368 --> 01:29:53,055
We've got to give
him more time.
1513
01:29:53,096 --> 01:29:55,307
I did seven stunts
1514
01:29:55,348 --> 01:29:59,186
for seven different Ewoks.
Every time Dave Tomlin,
1515
01:29:59,227 --> 01:30:03,106
who was the first assistant director
goes, “Deep get into the suit.”
1516
01:30:03,272 --> 01:30:06,401
I said, "But I just got killed."
He said, "Got to do another one."
1517
01:30:08,069 --> 01:30:10,446
When I watched Jedi, I was like this.
1518
01:30:11,114 --> 01:30:14,867
Just leaning forward, and I think the true
moviegoers posture, right, like that.
1519
01:30:14,909 --> 01:30:17,512
So what we have here
is a linking of almost a child's imagination
1520
01:30:17,579 --> 01:30:20,031
with all the technology
at the command of a movie maker.
1521
01:30:20,373 --> 01:30:25,295
These movies take us from childhood
into an era where we're growing up.
1522
01:30:25,336 --> 01:30:28,047
We're changing,
they're indelibly connected.
1523
01:30:28,756 --> 01:30:31,468
It was this huge part of my life.
1524
01:30:31,509 --> 01:30:33,678
We certainly never thought
1525
01:30:33,719 --> 01:30:36,431
we were going to get
any more of these movies.
1526
01:30:36,764 --> 01:30:42,521
What I think George Lucas did
amazingly was to show that it was possible
1527
01:30:42,562 --> 01:30:46,608
to execute these grand visions
with a level of believability
1528
01:30:46,649 --> 01:30:48,985
that was something
we haven't really seen before.
1529
01:30:51,737 --> 01:30:55,367
There are a lot of filmmakers
that were really inspired
1530
01:30:55,408 --> 01:30:58,411
and freed by what George
had done on Star Wars.
1531
01:30:58,786 --> 01:31:03,291
You got immersed into it and you
believed it and that was really wonderful.
1532
01:31:15,815 --> 01:31:19,298
Is this a game or
is it real?
1533
01:31:19,339 --> 01:31:20,642
WarGames.
1534
01:31:20,683 --> 01:31:23,436
What happens when you play a
thermonuclear war as a game,
1535
01:31:23,644 --> 01:31:27,106
but it actually connects to NORAD?
1536
01:31:28,065 --> 01:31:30,593
I love the What If of it.
1537
01:31:30,634 --> 01:31:33,834
I have seven, correction, eight, that's
eight Redbirds two degrees past...
1538
01:31:35,281 --> 01:31:36,700
There was another film
1539
01:31:36,741 --> 01:31:38,951
before WarGames, Colossus.
1540
01:31:40,369 --> 01:31:43,707
The good guys, us have these
supercomputers, and the bad guys,
1541
01:31:43,748 --> 01:31:46,626
the Russians have these
supercomputers and they connected.
1542
01:31:47,752 --> 01:31:51,047
So all of a sudden,
this artificial intelligence started
1543
01:31:51,088 --> 01:31:54,575
to make decisions for us because we're
so immature and violent and all that.
1544
01:31:54,616 --> 01:31:57,699
We will work together. Unwillingly at first
on your part. But that will pass.
1545
01:31:57,740 --> 01:31:59,740
But that will pass.
1546
01:32:00,556 --> 01:32:01,641
What a lot of these movies
1547
01:32:01,682 --> 01:32:04,644
were doing is trying to
hew as closely as they could
1548
01:32:05,144 --> 01:32:09,190
to things that might actually happen
and then play them out.
1549
01:32:09,440 --> 01:32:12,235
in the most frightening way
that they can think of.
1550
01:32:12,485 --> 01:32:14,595
They wanted it to look and feel real.
1551
01:32:14,636 --> 01:32:16,619
The WOPR has only fought
World War III as a game
1552
01:32:16,660 --> 01:32:18,660
time and time again.
1553
01:32:20,701 --> 01:32:23,246
WarGames, it's a really
smart little movie.
1554
01:32:23,412 --> 01:32:28,251
What it took was the growing
fascination in the early 1980s
1555
01:32:28,292 --> 01:32:32,046
with computers,
the home computer became a thing.
1556
01:32:32,129 --> 01:32:34,159
They barely had
10K in them at the time,
1557
01:32:34,215 --> 01:32:36,308
but they were
the most wonderful things in the universe.
1558
01:32:36,349 --> 01:32:37,832
You're really
into computers, huh?
1559
01:32:37,873 --> 01:32:39,873
Yeah.
1560
01:32:41,472 --> 01:32:44,008
You could dial into a computer
and see stuff you weren't supposed to see.
1561
01:32:44,059 --> 01:32:45,985
Oh, oh yes.
1562
01:32:46,978 --> 01:32:49,130
- What are you doing?
- I'm changing your biology grade.
1563
01:32:49,297 --> 01:32:51,657
No, I don't want you to do that,
you're going to get me in trouble.
1564
01:32:51,698 --> 01:32:52,985
Nobody can find out.
1565
01:32:53,109 --> 01:32:55,152
Forbidden knowledge, bring that on.
1566
01:32:56,696 --> 01:32:59,824
He was a great geek kid, Matthew Broderick.
The kid at home
1567
01:33:00,241 --> 01:33:05,622
can through the phone line, no less,
link up to some giant mainframe
1568
01:33:05,663 --> 01:33:09,000
that operates all of the
nuclear weapons in America.
1569
01:33:09,333 --> 01:33:11,836
This is kind of feasible
somehow in our brains.
1570
01:33:11,877 --> 01:33:13,338
This is what computers do.
1571
01:33:13,379 --> 01:33:15,406
And he could be starting World War III.
1572
01:33:15,447 --> 01:33:17,430
Shall we play a game?
1573
01:33:17,471 --> 01:33:23,431
How about... global thermonuclear war?
1574
01:33:23,480 --> 01:33:24,900
It's really suspenseful.
1575
01:33:25,100 --> 01:33:28,394
Josh was trying to find the right code
so he could launch the missiles himself.
1576
01:33:28,561 --> 01:33:30,272
They're trying to divine
1577
01:33:30,313 --> 01:33:33,048
how to beat this supercomputer
at its own game.
1578
01:33:33,089 --> 01:33:35,072
Come on.
1579
01:33:35,113 --> 01:33:37,113
Learn, goddamn it!
1580
01:33:37,945 --> 01:33:40,740
It was science out of control film
1581
01:33:40,781 --> 01:33:44,160
but it keyed in to that permanent
fear that was going on.
1582
01:33:44,910 --> 01:33:47,330
Normal kids and nuclear threat.
1583
01:33:47,538 --> 01:33:49,707
I think I auditioned for
WarGames about six times.
1584
01:33:50,458 --> 01:33:54,295
The original script was much
darker and much more scary,
1585
01:33:54,670 --> 01:33:58,549
and the guy was more of an isolated
kind of loner who worked at RadioShack.
1586
01:34:00,635 --> 01:34:03,095
WarGames scared people so much
1587
01:34:03,304 --> 01:34:09,143
that there were actual computer
hackers who were put in jail.
1588
01:34:09,226 --> 01:34:13,564
Kevin Mitnick was put in jail
and not given access to a payphone
1589
01:34:13,773 --> 01:34:17,360
because some idiot
senator believed that he could,
1590
01:34:17,401 --> 01:34:20,821
using his voice and a pay phone,
launch a nuclear missile.
1591
01:34:21,739 --> 01:34:24,533
You can watch WarGames today,
particularly today,
1592
01:34:24,700 --> 01:34:30,665
as the nation is being hacked
by Russian operatives every 25 seconds.
1593
01:34:30,998 --> 01:34:33,317
And that movie don't seem silly at all.
1594
01:34:33,358 --> 01:34:35,358
How about a nice game of chess?
1595
01:34:44,053 --> 01:34:45,513
The Superman movies
1596
01:34:45,554 --> 01:34:48,599
are absolutely special to me.
1597
01:34:48,808 --> 01:34:52,770
Christopher Reeve
was so phenomenal in the part.
1598
01:34:53,521 --> 01:34:58,360
Every time a franchise tries
to carry the story on, it's fraught with
1599
01:34:58,401 --> 01:34:59,760
difficulty.
1600
01:34:59,801 --> 01:35:03,401
This time is going to be
the best time of all.
1601
01:35:04,907 --> 01:35:06,868
Superman III encapsulates
1602
01:35:06,909 --> 01:35:10,771
so many different genres in one film.
1603
01:35:10,812 --> 01:35:11,748
Oh, I'm sorry.
1604
01:35:11,789 --> 01:35:14,458
It was a comedy vehicle for Richard Pryor.
1605
01:35:14,792 --> 01:35:17,211
It was an action adventure Superman film.
1606
01:35:17,253 --> 01:35:21,031
It touched upon contemporary
technology of computers.
1607
01:35:21,072 --> 01:35:23,072
Getting down to business.
1608
01:35:25,136 --> 01:35:26,429
Richard had been in
1609
01:35:26,470 --> 01:35:28,848
Some Kind of Hero with Margot Kidder.
1610
01:35:29,640 --> 01:35:33,602
Richard got a chance to do some
drama playing a returned Vietnam vet,
1611
01:35:33,978 --> 01:35:36,314
and he really was hoping
that he would get the chance
1612
01:35:36,355 --> 01:35:38,858
to do something like that
in Superman III.
1613
01:35:38,899 --> 01:35:42,695
But that's not what they
had in mind for him.
1614
01:35:45,114 --> 01:35:47,575
Robert Vaughn plays
the villain in the film
1615
01:35:48,117 --> 01:35:50,894
and puts Richard Pryor's
character to work for him.
1616
01:35:50,935 --> 01:35:52,935
I asked you to kill a Superman.
1617
01:35:53,459 --> 01:35:57,419
And you're telling me you couldn't
even do that one simple thing.
1618
01:35:57,460 --> 01:35:59,462
Annette O'Toole playing Lana Lang,
1619
01:35:59,503 --> 01:36:05,076
sort of replacing Lois Lane as Superman,
Clark's love interest in the film.
1620
01:36:05,370 --> 01:36:08,674
Lois, say hello to Lana Lang,
Smallville's newest gift to Metropolis.
1621
01:36:08,900 --> 01:36:10,598
They were really trying to experiment
1622
01:36:10,639 --> 01:36:14,268
and dig deeper into who Superman was.
1623
01:36:15,895 --> 01:36:19,065
The part of the movie of going,
Yeah, man, that's heavy, I don't
1624
01:36:19,106 --> 01:36:20,150
I don't know how you hold
1625
01:36:20,191 --> 01:36:24,111
the weight of the entire world
and everyone's fate in your hands,
1626
01:36:24,195 --> 01:36:28,324
as one being, I don't care how much
super strength you get from the sun.
1627
01:36:28,365 --> 01:36:32,078
Like, there's got to be a point
where you break, right?
1628
01:36:32,119 --> 01:36:33,287
Literally break in two.
1629
01:36:34,872 --> 01:36:39,794
We see Superman, Chris Reeve,
Clark Kent, battling his darker self.
1630
01:36:41,337 --> 01:36:43,473
Dealing with his demons,
dealing with who he is,
1631
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:46,300
dealing with the weight of being Superman.
1632
01:36:47,802 --> 01:36:51,181
It was a very interesting infusion
of a different kind of
1633
01:36:51,222 --> 01:36:53,557
sci fi into a superhero movie.
1634
01:36:58,479 --> 01:37:00,773
A massive supercomputer at the end
1635
01:37:00,981 --> 01:37:04,777
that produces a cyborg,
which is absolutely terrifying.
1636
01:37:07,530 --> 01:37:10,492
The computer digging into her
arms, basically taking over
1637
01:37:10,533 --> 01:37:13,620
and turning her into a sort
of robot android,
1638
01:37:13,661 --> 01:37:15,121
it's a very, very
scary moment.
1639
01:37:16,705 --> 01:37:20,584
If you're young enough,
that could be pretty damn traumatizing.
1640
01:37:23,128 --> 01:37:25,590
A lot of folks felt that the
real problem of the third
1641
01:37:25,631 --> 01:37:29,134
Superman film is that it did not live
inside the Superman universe at all.
1642
01:37:29,927 --> 01:37:33,097
Richard Donner had wanted to
and worked on a script.
1643
01:37:33,138 --> 01:37:37,101
It involved Brainiac and Mxyzptlk
and all sorts of other characters
1644
01:37:37,142 --> 01:37:40,855
from the Superman universe,
including an introduction of Supergirl.
1645
01:37:41,981 --> 01:37:45,234
They came around to making
Richard and Superman buds.
1646
01:37:45,401 --> 01:37:46,861
They kind of give each other five
1647
01:37:47,595 --> 01:37:50,055
at the end of the movie,
which is very, very cool of Superman
1648
01:37:50,197 --> 01:37:53,409
back in the day.
But the movie itself just really didn't
1649
01:37:53,450 --> 01:37:54,577
come together.
1650
01:37:59,915 --> 01:38:01,626
Superman III,
1651
01:38:01,667 --> 01:38:04,044
not the best of the Superman films,
1652
01:38:04,295 --> 01:38:08,215
but it's better than Superman IV.
1653
01:38:20,390 --> 01:38:23,590
Strange Invaders
1654
01:38:23,981 --> 01:38:28,277
I love the script of Strange Invaders.
1655
01:38:28,319 --> 01:38:30,571
I fell in love with it
the minute I read it.
1656
01:38:32,364 --> 01:38:34,075
Bill Condon was the writer.
1657
01:38:34,116 --> 01:38:36,285
I always thought that Bill
should have directed that film,
1658
01:38:36,369 --> 01:38:37,494
and he had never directed.
1659
01:38:39,663 --> 01:38:41,791
So clever, so fun.
1660
01:38:41,832 --> 01:38:45,712
You know, a great send up
of '50s sci fi films, those little nods
1661
01:38:45,753 --> 01:38:47,763
to films were really
right there in the script.
1662
01:38:47,804 --> 01:38:50,487
I want you to look at them
and tell me if you see anything
1663
01:38:50,528 --> 01:38:53,328
that reminds you of the creature
you saw last night.
1664
01:38:53,677 --> 01:38:56,914
The picture of Spielberg, you know,
is this an alien, that's really my favorite.
1665
01:38:56,955 --> 01:39:02,355
I'm sorry, Mr. Bigelow,
just a little joke we have around here.
1666
01:39:03,228 --> 01:39:06,055
It's a film that doesn't take
itself too seriously.
1667
01:39:06,096 --> 01:39:11,096
According to what we have, no one
has lived in that town since 1958.
1668
01:39:11,236 --> 01:39:15,324
I do believe that for Paul Le Mat
it was probably the greatest challenge.
1669
01:39:15,658 --> 01:39:19,412
That particular role,
I don't think it was necessarily something
1670
01:39:19,453 --> 01:39:22,373
that he fell into very comfortably,
1671
01:39:22,790 --> 01:39:25,167
but we brought him along for the ride.
1672
01:39:25,591 --> 01:39:28,463
But I'm a scientist,
I know what I saw.
1673
01:39:28,504 --> 01:39:29,964
I loved my character.
1674
01:39:30,005 --> 01:39:33,951
You know, smoking the cigarettes
and with a trashy newspaper.
1675
01:39:33,992 --> 01:39:38,492
Two-headed dogs, maybe.
But Aliens are passe.
1676
01:39:38,555 --> 01:39:42,018
She's fun because there's really
no boundaries with this character.
1677
01:39:42,101 --> 01:39:45,026
And there was an alien in my apartment
who gobbled up my soup.
1678
01:39:45,096 --> 01:39:46,314
It sounds ridiculous.
1679
01:39:46,355 --> 01:39:48,482
It was a kind of a no holds barred set.
1680
01:39:48,524 --> 01:39:51,819
I mean, there really wasn't
a lot of direction, if you will.
1681
01:39:52,027 --> 01:39:54,738
All of those wonderful actors
that were thrown together
1682
01:39:55,030 --> 01:39:57,074
really got it
and had a good time with it.
1683
01:39:58,117 --> 01:40:01,037
Wallace Shawn, he was so excited
because he hadn't really done
1684
01:40:01,078 --> 01:40:04,039
any acting, and here he is,
this great playwright.
1685
01:40:04,081 --> 01:40:06,960
All he wanted to do was act,
he was so thrilled.
1686
01:40:07,001 --> 01:40:10,421
He said, "I can't believe I'm here
acting in this movie."
1687
01:40:10,504 --> 01:40:13,507
He was willing to do anything,
looking for the next shot, you know?
1688
01:40:15,759 --> 01:40:17,544
The funny thing is for me that
1689
01:40:17,637 --> 01:40:20,905
Kenneth Tobey had
a wild crush on Diana Scarwid.
1690
01:40:21,874 --> 01:40:24,768
It was probably more fun than
it should have been.
1691
01:40:29,023 --> 01:40:32,610
That film, for me is a heartbreak,
because even though people like it
1692
01:40:32,651 --> 01:40:34,362
and enjoy it, I do feel like
1693
01:40:34,403 --> 01:40:36,864
I know what it could have been
with a different director.
1694
01:40:37,990 --> 01:40:39,951
It does have a very lighthearted tone
1695
01:40:39,992 --> 01:40:42,745
contrasted with really scary alien makeup.
1696
01:40:43,996 --> 01:40:45,206
It was done really well.
1697
01:40:45,247 --> 01:40:48,960
I remember being really impressed
and stunned when I saw it
1698
01:40:49,001 --> 01:40:52,963
because they had no budget on this film.
1699
01:40:53,714 --> 01:40:55,091
That does scare you,
1700
01:40:55,132 --> 01:40:58,969
but mostly you're really having fun.
1701
01:41:10,022 --> 01:41:13,192
In the early '80s, there was
this wonderful explosion
1702
01:41:13,233 --> 01:41:17,071
of highly imaginative, highly ambitious
science fiction.
1703
01:41:17,696 --> 01:41:20,658
Suddenly, all sorts of stories
that were prohibitive because
1704
01:41:20,699 --> 01:41:23,911
technologically they weren't possible,
were suddenly possible now.
1705
01:41:26,747 --> 01:41:28,666
What Star Wars did,
1706
01:41:28,707 --> 01:41:32,003
both in terms of the visual effects,
but also George's approach
1707
01:41:32,044 --> 01:41:34,414
to the storytelling aspect of it.
1708
01:41:34,480 --> 01:41:38,100
Was it opened up the
door for genre films
1709
01:41:38,425 --> 01:41:41,386
that people had been
afraid to make before.
1710
01:41:42,930 --> 01:41:45,349
It's driven by the story,
1711
01:41:45,641 --> 01:41:50,104
the tools that we had were capable
of certain levels of finish,
1712
01:41:50,312 --> 01:41:55,693
and then it was an artistic
interpretation of how the illusion
1713
01:41:55,734 --> 01:41:58,695
was going to fit into the bigger
story, which was really critical.
1714
01:42:02,241 --> 01:42:04,668
There's something about the real feel
1715
01:42:04,952 --> 01:42:08,263
of the thing
and seeing it that brings you into it.
1716
01:42:08,372 --> 01:42:11,584
If you look at it as something that's
a visual effect and it doesn't quite work,
1717
01:42:11,625 --> 01:42:12,627
you're out of it.
1718
01:42:12,668 --> 01:42:15,463
When it works, it really does work.
1719
01:42:15,504 --> 01:42:18,215
The job of a visual effects
supervisor at ILM
1720
01:42:18,590 --> 01:42:21,677
is to be able to fulfill the
vision of the director.
1721
01:42:22,094 --> 01:42:24,475
Also, the effects supervisor
1722
01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:28,331
should contribute something to the film
if they can,
1723
01:42:28,434 --> 01:42:32,146
if it's not inappropriate, that possibly
the director didn't even know he could do.
1724
01:42:33,689 --> 01:42:35,315
Always, always
1725
01:42:35,440 --> 01:42:37,443
it starts with the idea
of the finished shot.
1726
01:42:37,484 --> 01:42:39,528
I'm motivated by the finished shot.
1727
01:42:43,115 --> 01:42:45,118
The shots that are magic
1728
01:42:45,159 --> 01:42:48,829
are the ones that have good
design embodied in them.
1729
01:42:51,248 --> 01:42:53,625
Star Trek II the battle in the Nebula
1730
01:42:53,917 --> 01:42:56,753
that was all shot in
cloud tanks here at ILM.
1731
01:42:58,422 --> 01:43:02,551
Beautiful taste is being exhibited
there with compositions of
1732
01:43:02,718 --> 01:43:07,639
where the ships are, the shot designs,
how they're lit, how the clouds swirl.
1733
01:43:07,890 --> 01:43:10,392
That's just some of the
most beautiful work
1734
01:43:10,726 --> 01:43:12,811
that ILM's ever done.
1735
01:43:14,271 --> 01:43:15,773
Miniatures were defined to
1736
01:43:15,814 --> 01:43:18,233
a certain extent
by how they had to be used.
1737
01:43:18,942 --> 01:43:22,780
If you look at the Star Destroyer,
scale notwithstanding, the model had to be
1738
01:43:22,821 --> 01:43:26,075
incredibly highly detailed
to stand up to that
1739
01:43:26,116 --> 01:43:28,118
kind of macro photography.
1740
01:43:29,620 --> 01:43:31,405
And when we started
blowing stuff up,
1741
01:43:31,446 --> 01:43:35,209
we had to build things
in a little bit larger scale
1742
01:43:35,292 --> 01:43:39,213
so that we could photograph them
at high speed photographic rates.
1743
01:43:41,381 --> 01:43:42,717
The bigger the model,
1744
01:43:42,758 --> 01:43:45,970
the more properly scaled the explosion
1745
01:43:46,011 --> 01:43:47,512
appeared to be.
1746
01:43:51,183 --> 01:43:52,643
Every optical composite
1747
01:43:52,684 --> 01:43:55,980
was a performance.
The way that we used to put
1748
01:43:56,021 --> 01:43:59,442
together a shot of a bunch of spaceships,
you didn't shoot them all at once.
1749
01:43:59,483 --> 01:44:01,068
You shot them one at a time.
1750
01:44:01,109 --> 01:44:03,904
There's a really remarkable shot
in Return of the Jedi,
1751
01:44:03,946 --> 01:44:07,658
and it's remarkable for the
huge number of separately
1752
01:44:07,699 --> 01:44:09,577
photographed spaceships
that are all in there.
1753
01:44:09,618 --> 01:44:11,787
It was intended to be a wow moment.
1754
01:44:11,828 --> 01:44:13,915
And it really accomplished that.
1755
01:44:13,956 --> 01:44:17,501
It's kind of overwhelming when you think
about the mechanical complexity
1756
01:44:17,584 --> 01:44:21,546
of all those separately
photographed elements.
1757
01:44:23,215 --> 01:44:27,011
The thought process that goes
in to breaking down the barriers
1758
01:44:27,052 --> 01:44:30,264
that we have for this component,
that component, and how do you do this.
1759
01:44:30,514 --> 01:44:31,473
Those are strong.
1760
01:44:33,100 --> 01:44:34,644
We came up with this
1761
01:44:34,685 --> 01:44:38,355
system called Go Motion,
which is kind of a joke.
1762
01:44:38,522 --> 01:44:41,817
We didn't know what to call it, so we
called it the opposite of stop motion.
1763
01:44:41,984 --> 01:44:47,030
The first time we used Go Motion
was on the Tauntaun, and it totally worked.
1764
01:44:47,155 --> 01:44:49,449
It gave a blur to the thing.
1765
01:44:52,661 --> 01:44:53,955
That was effective.
1766
01:44:53,996 --> 01:44:57,040
Then on Dragonslayer,
we developed it further.
1767
01:44:59,710 --> 01:45:02,922
In Jedi with the two legged Walker,
when the Ewoks rolled
1768
01:45:02,963 --> 01:45:06,592
the logs down the hill,
Go Motion allowed me
1769
01:45:06,633 --> 01:45:08,051
to do that.
1770
01:45:10,345 --> 01:45:13,015
And that was really complicated.
1771
01:45:16,685 --> 01:45:18,770
You get into the zone.
1772
01:45:19,021 --> 01:45:22,733
You know, it's a form of
meditation to shut the world out
1773
01:45:22,774 --> 01:45:27,863
and be in the zone, you know,
and do it, do what it tells you.
1774
01:45:28,322 --> 01:45:31,675
I'm walking by and it's
shh, very quiet.
1775
01:45:31,825 --> 01:45:33,911
It'd be Dennis Muren at the camera.
1776
01:45:33,952 --> 01:45:34,771
Click.
1777
01:45:35,495 --> 01:45:38,415
And then all these hatches opened up
1778
01:45:39,333 --> 01:45:42,586
and out came Jon Burge and Phil Tippett,
1779
01:45:42,627 --> 01:45:47,549
and then move it ever so slightly
and then disappear down the hatch.
1780
01:45:48,633 --> 01:45:49,718
Click.
1781
01:45:55,640 --> 01:45:56,934
Matte painting,
1782
01:45:56,975 --> 01:46:00,729
as a way of adding on
to a set by painting,
1783
01:46:01,855 --> 01:46:04,150
for example, on a piece of glass.
1784
01:46:04,191 --> 01:46:07,245
Not only is it a budget
saving device,
1785
01:46:07,286 --> 01:46:11,498
it's an opportunity to enhance.
1786
01:46:12,157 --> 01:46:14,660
You're working on something
that is supposed to be
1787
01:46:14,701 --> 01:46:16,078
invisible.
1788
01:46:18,622 --> 01:46:21,917
Ghostbusters II is the film I was working on,
where I said to myself
1789
01:46:21,958 --> 01:46:26,546
at the end of this, we've really reached
the end of traditional visual effects.
1790
01:46:26,630 --> 01:46:28,799
We can't keep doing it this way.
1791
01:46:28,840 --> 01:46:33,136
The ideas are getting bigger
than the toolbox we have.
1792
01:46:34,805 --> 01:46:37,850
Fortunately, in ILM, we had
a computer group
1793
01:46:37,891 --> 01:46:41,853
that had been working on computer graphics
and I had jumped into that.
1794
01:46:42,813 --> 01:46:44,482
I did Young Sherlock Holmes
with them.
1795
01:46:44,523 --> 01:46:47,609
That really proved to me
that this is the future.
1796
01:46:50,028 --> 01:46:52,406
It needed more time for the technology,
1797
01:46:52,739 --> 01:46:55,409
both the hardware and the software
to get up to the level
1798
01:46:55,450 --> 01:46:57,495
where we can actually make
it a productive tool,
1799
01:46:57,536 --> 01:47:00,555
which we experimented again with
on The Abyss, Jim Cameron's film.
1800
01:47:00,655 --> 01:47:04,559
Water Weenie is the way
that we respectfully
1801
01:47:04,626 --> 01:47:05,752
talked about it.
1802
01:47:09,005 --> 01:47:10,758
Seeing things like Tron
1803
01:47:10,799 --> 01:47:14,511
and Last Starfighter,
I thought computer graphics is coming.
1804
01:47:14,594 --> 01:47:17,806
It's not quite ready,
but something to keep your eye on.
1805
01:47:20,350 --> 01:47:23,145
The Last Starfighter used digital effects.
1806
01:47:23,270 --> 01:47:26,064
It was the first one to use it
for the entire film.
1807
01:47:28,024 --> 01:47:30,777
When you look back at it now,
there are some really some growing pains
1808
01:47:30,861 --> 01:47:33,823
and you can see where things
were not as effective
1809
01:47:33,864 --> 01:47:38,160
as it would have been if you got models.
You didn't know if it was going to work.
1810
01:47:38,326 --> 01:47:39,494
So it was a gamble.
1811
01:47:40,579 --> 01:47:41,747
It's a good example
1812
01:47:41,788 --> 01:47:45,750
of the beginnings of CGI.
1813
01:47:45,792 --> 01:47:48,170
My brother, Jeff, is a
visual effects supervisor,
1814
01:47:48,211 --> 01:47:51,339
and he worked on Tron doing the Bit.
1815
01:47:52,757 --> 01:47:55,553
So he was one of the first CGI
artists, and later
1816
01:47:55,594 --> 01:47:59,514
I worked with him on Flight of the Navigator,
where he helped me
1817
01:48:00,348 --> 01:48:04,895
design the spaceship morphing
and reflectance mapping.
1818
01:48:05,729 --> 01:48:07,606
This is the flying version of the ship.
1819
01:48:07,647 --> 01:48:10,150
And behind there is the
hovering version of the ship.
1820
01:48:10,817 --> 01:48:15,489
It was a maquette, meaning that
we took a computer and we touched it
1821
01:48:16,323 --> 01:48:19,117
all along here to create the wire frame
1822
01:48:19,618 --> 01:48:23,906
that was then used to wrap
the backgrounds on.
1823
01:48:23,947 --> 01:48:27,868
Shortly after the Lucasfilm computer division
had been sold off as Pixar,
1824
01:48:28,210 --> 01:48:32,047
we saw that there was a lot of value
in that tech and that this had a big
1825
01:48:32,088 --> 01:48:33,423
future in visual effects.
1826
01:48:35,175 --> 01:48:39,138
Star Trek IV, that hallucination
scene was just about
1827
01:48:39,179 --> 01:48:42,432
the first foray of the
ILM computer graphics department.
1828
01:48:43,058 --> 01:48:47,021
And that was always the carrot for me
and the promise back in the early '80s
1829
01:48:47,062 --> 01:48:49,773
that this is what it could do,
you know, and we're there,
1830
01:48:50,106 --> 01:48:54,486
but it moved too quick, and I think
there hasn't been enough recognition
1831
01:48:54,819 --> 01:48:58,657
that it needs to fit within
the imperfect world of reality.
1832
01:48:58,865 --> 01:49:00,659
"But I can make it perfect", you know.
1833
01:49:00,700 --> 01:49:04,246
No, don't make it perfect.
1834
01:49:04,913 --> 01:49:07,583
Sometimes understanding those limitations
1835
01:49:07,624 --> 01:49:10,544
becomes key to capturing a feeling.
1836
01:49:11,628 --> 01:49:14,714
The '80s represents
an era of a lot of bravery.
1837
01:49:15,173 --> 01:49:19,135
The filmmakers were pushing
new techniques, trying new things.
1838
01:49:19,553 --> 01:49:21,638
Some of them worked great
and some of them didn't.
1839
01:49:22,222 --> 01:49:26,352
Some of them really show their age today,
but there's something kind of wonderful
1840
01:49:26,393 --> 01:49:30,146
about that, that they were fearless
about the things that they would try.
1841
01:49:50,700 --> 01:49:53,183
Star Trek III: The Search For Spock.
1842
01:49:53,224 --> 01:49:56,224
The adventure continues.
1843
01:49:56,464 --> 01:49:58,592
I believe that the major
theme that runs through
1844
01:49:58,633 --> 01:50:01,953
Star Trek III is one
of family and sacrifice.
1845
01:50:01,994 --> 01:50:03,994
To old friends.
1846
01:50:06,266 --> 01:50:08,443
If you count Spock, the seven
people have been through
1847
01:50:08,484 --> 01:50:12,214
so much together and they've
faced down death together.
1848
01:50:13,273 --> 01:50:16,151
We are now at a point
where a decision that has to be
1849
01:50:16,192 --> 01:50:18,386
made is going to cost them dearly.
1850
01:50:18,427 --> 01:50:21,827
If there's even a chance that
Spock has an eternal soul,
1851
01:50:22,051 --> 01:50:24,534
Then it's my responsibility.
1852
01:50:24,575 --> 01:50:25,869
Yours?
1853
01:50:25,910 --> 01:50:26,829
Kirk, in particular,
1854
01:50:26,870 --> 01:50:29,188
has to make tremendous
sacrifices during this film.
1855
01:50:31,625 --> 01:50:35,003
My God, Bones...
What have I done?
1856
01:50:35,128 --> 01:50:36,180
Christopher Lloyd
1857
01:50:36,221 --> 01:50:39,298
as the Klingon commander is
an interesting casting choice.
1858
01:50:39,339 --> 01:50:41,722
You, will tell me the secret
1859
01:50:41,763 --> 01:50:44,863
of the Genesis torpedo.
1860
01:50:45,305 --> 01:50:47,349
He just sinks himself
right into that role.
1861
01:50:49,559 --> 01:50:51,910
He chews scenery just as
well as William Shatner does.
1862
01:50:51,951 --> 01:50:55,334
You fool! Look around you!
The planet's destroying itself!
1863
01:50:55,375 --> 01:50:57,675
Yes! Exhilarating, isn't it?
1864
01:50:57,734 --> 01:51:01,238
You realize just how versatile an actor
he was to go from Reverend Jim
1865
01:51:01,279 --> 01:51:04,783
to this, and then, you know,
a year later, he's in Back to the Future.
1866
01:51:06,785 --> 01:51:09,162
Leonard, he took Spock to heart.
1867
01:51:09,496 --> 01:51:11,790
I mean, really, really took him to heart.
1868
01:51:12,374 --> 01:51:15,502
As soon as he passed that
gate with the word
1869
01:51:16,127 --> 01:51:20,164
Paramount scrawled on top of it,
he became Mr. Spock.
1870
01:51:20,215 --> 01:51:23,093
Spock brought a lot of opportunity
to Leonard Nimoy.
1871
01:51:23,134 --> 01:51:24,678
There's no doubt about it.
1872
01:51:24,719 --> 01:51:26,221
But does he need Spock? No.
1873
01:51:28,807 --> 01:51:30,267
When Star Trek III came along,
1874
01:51:30,308 --> 01:51:31,226
I think
1875
01:51:31,267 --> 01:51:33,979
he was more than willing to walk away
unless he had something more
1876
01:51:34,020 --> 01:51:37,566
challenging to do, which was direct.
1877
01:51:37,607 --> 01:51:41,070
What I recall is Michael Eisner
trying to talk
1878
01:51:41,111 --> 01:51:46,408
Leonard out of directing himself,
making his directing debut.
1879
01:51:46,908 --> 01:51:49,662
Leonard's calling me up
and I said, "Are you prepared
1880
01:51:49,703 --> 01:51:51,913
"to let the ship sail without you?"
1881
01:51:53,206 --> 01:51:54,406
And he said, "Absolutely."
1882
01:51:54,458 --> 01:51:56,377
I said, "Then sit tight,
you're going to direct the movie."
1883
01:51:56,418 --> 01:51:58,295
If he says he's not going
to be in the movie
1884
01:51:58,336 --> 01:52:00,880
unless he gets to direct it,
he'll get to direct it.
1885
01:52:01,464 --> 01:52:02,758
Period, the end.
1886
01:52:02,799 --> 01:52:05,052
Spock is the linchpin of it.
1887
01:52:05,093 --> 01:52:08,472
He would say to me repeatedly,
"The studio really only understands
1888
01:52:08,513 --> 01:52:10,099
"a two by four to the head."
1889
01:52:10,140 --> 01:52:12,559
What they understand is leverage,
and he had leverage.
1890
01:52:12,767 --> 01:52:14,645
They realized that their box office
is going to be bigger
1891
01:52:14,686 --> 01:52:16,105
if Spock appears in the film.
1892
01:52:16,146 --> 01:52:18,107
They kept the thumbscrews on him.
1893
01:52:18,148 --> 01:52:22,361
Jeff Katzenberg looked over his shoulder
every day to make sure he was on time
1894
01:52:22,402 --> 01:52:23,737
and on budget.
1895
01:52:23,778 --> 01:52:26,198
The fact is, he had no experience other
1896
01:52:26,239 --> 01:52:29,751
than directing some episodes of TV,
including T.J. Hooker,
1897
01:52:29,792 --> 01:52:33,254
you know, other than that,
he was a neophyte.
1898
01:52:34,914 --> 01:52:36,667
I didn't know what we were in for.
1899
01:52:36,708 --> 01:52:39,085
Leonard directed by omission,
1900
01:52:40,920 --> 01:52:43,256
if he didn't say anything, it was fine
1901
01:52:44,090 --> 01:52:46,176
when I got that through my head,
1902
01:52:46,217 --> 01:52:48,578
I felt less neglected.
1903
01:52:48,619 --> 01:52:52,519
Good. More, more.
He is dying. Dying.
1904
01:52:53,808 --> 01:52:56,770
We had confidence in him, I felt that
he knew what he was doing,
1905
01:52:56,811 --> 01:53:00,648
he had taste, his story
sense was quite good.
1906
01:53:01,399 --> 01:53:03,485
He's the guy who prepped things to death.
1907
01:53:03,526 --> 01:53:05,195
You try to deal with as many variables
1908
01:53:05,236 --> 01:53:07,281
as possible during the
pre-production process
1909
01:53:07,322 --> 01:53:10,408
so that when you're in production,
things hopefully run smoothly.
1910
01:53:10,825 --> 01:53:13,870
So much so that you can
have these happy accidents.
1911
01:53:14,913 --> 01:53:18,032
Film-making is really, a lot of it
is just dealing with problems all day long.
1912
01:53:18,166 --> 01:53:19,668
It's story,
1913
01:53:20,418 --> 01:53:22,546
it's story, it's always story,
1914
01:53:22,671 --> 01:53:24,614
first and foremost.
1915
01:53:24,655 --> 01:53:26,638
You saved the ship.
1916
01:53:26,679 --> 01:53:28,662
You saved us all.
1917
01:53:28,703 --> 01:53:30,703
Don't you remember?
1918
01:53:36,017 --> 01:53:37,477
The really, really
1919
01:53:37,602 --> 01:53:40,898
renegade, seat of your pants
crazy comedy of the '70s
1920
01:53:40,939 --> 01:53:45,802
found its way into like a
big mainstream sci fi Spielbergian thing.
1921
01:53:45,843 --> 01:53:47,843
Ready?
1922
01:53:51,267 --> 01:53:53,667
Ghostbusters.
1923
01:53:53,743 --> 01:53:54,620
You've got this
1924
01:53:54,661 --> 01:53:57,664
sort of rag tag New York story,
but then into it,
1925
01:53:57,705 --> 01:54:01,251
you have this extremely sci fi, techy,
1926
01:54:01,334 --> 01:54:04,779
supernatural, insane thing, and it worked.
1927
01:54:04,820 --> 01:54:06,820
Get her!
1928
01:54:09,944 --> 01:54:11,929
Action!
1929
01:54:11,970 --> 01:54:15,473
I just worked with Bill Murray on
Stripes, and Harold as well.
1930
01:54:15,557 --> 01:54:16,757
And that turned out well.
1931
01:54:16,808 --> 01:54:18,393
That's the fact, Jack!
1932
01:54:18,518 --> 01:54:21,896
My agent, Michael Ovitz,
at that time, sent me
1933
01:54:22,689 --> 01:54:26,067
this sort of 80 page treatment
that Dan Aykroyd had written.
1934
01:54:26,734 --> 01:54:29,863
He had written it originally for
Belushi and himself.
1935
01:54:30,822 --> 01:54:33,241
I think he had spoken to
Eddie Murphy at some time
1936
01:54:33,825 --> 01:54:36,352
about doing with him.
1937
01:54:36,393 --> 01:54:38,376
It was set in the future,
There were multiple
1938
01:54:38,417 --> 01:54:42,000
ghost busting groups on various planets.
1939
01:54:42,041 --> 01:54:44,024
And they competed with each other.
1940
01:54:44,065 --> 01:54:48,048
These groups, they worked like firemen.
Their purpose was to rid the universe
1941
01:54:48,089 --> 01:54:50,089
of ghosts or monsters.
1942
01:54:50,508 --> 01:54:51,426
I said, "Look,
1943
01:54:51,467 --> 01:54:55,513
"it has this great idea in it,
but it's almost impossible to make.
1944
01:54:55,930 --> 01:54:58,016
"I think it should happen today
1945
01:54:58,057 --> 01:55:01,311
"and I think it should happen
in a big city like New York."
1946
01:55:01,561 --> 01:55:04,847
I really pitched
the story of Ghostbusters.
1947
01:55:04,888 --> 01:55:06,888
Our courteous and efficient
staff is on call
1948
01:55:07,112 --> 01:55:10,395
24 hours a day to serve all
your supernatural elimination needs.
1949
01:55:10,436 --> 01:55:11,738
We're ready to believe you!
1950
01:55:11,779 --> 01:55:17,918
When the actors are really in their finest,
most involved way on the set, in costume,
1951
01:55:18,286 --> 01:55:22,374
they can be the most creative
as well to find some unique way
1952
01:55:22,415 --> 01:55:25,001
of maybe finding a fresh spin on it.
1953
01:55:25,668 --> 01:55:30,090
It's directed and free at
the same time, and there was
1954
01:55:30,131 --> 01:55:32,134
I could by just using as few words
1955
01:55:32,175 --> 01:55:36,263
as possible, interrupt the
improvisation and refocus things
1956
01:55:36,304 --> 01:55:41,142
so that the storytelling made sense
in the context of everything else
1957
01:55:41,267 --> 01:55:46,273
in terms of character
and in terms of intent and tone.
1958
01:55:46,314 --> 01:55:48,675
And so that things weren't just silly.
1959
01:55:49,039 --> 01:55:52,028
There is no Dana, only Zuul!
1960
01:55:52,964 --> 01:55:54,948
What a lovely
singing voice you must have.
1961
01:55:54,989 --> 01:55:56,700
And just look for comedy
1962
01:55:56,741 --> 01:55:59,101
in the reality of the situation.
1963
01:55:59,142 --> 01:56:01,142
We came, we saw,
we kicked its ass!
1964
01:56:02,538 --> 01:56:05,500
It really boils down to the
Ghostbusters themselves,
1965
01:56:05,708 --> 01:56:07,877
it's charming
1966
01:56:08,628 --> 01:56:10,297
when Dan Aykroyd slides down
1967
01:56:10,338 --> 01:56:13,449
that fire pole, when they first go
see this dilapidated firehouse.
1968
01:56:13,490 --> 01:56:15,490
Wow! This place is great!
1969
01:56:16,135 --> 01:56:18,037
They're all big kids.
1970
01:56:18,078 --> 01:56:21,478
We should stay here, tonight!
Sleep here. You know, to try it out.
1971
01:56:21,599 --> 01:56:25,653
It's so crazy and wonderful,
and they're having such a blast
1972
01:56:26,104 --> 01:56:30,066
and that just spills right over to us.
1973
01:56:30,942 --> 01:56:33,319
It's the perfect Bill Murray movie
1974
01:56:33,486 --> 01:56:37,497
that laid back goofiness
that only Bill Murray has.
1975
01:56:37,538 --> 01:56:40,538
I'll take Miss Barrett back to her
apartment and check her out.
1976
01:56:40,862 --> 01:56:42,862
I'll go check out
Miss Barrett's apartment.
1977
01:56:42,996 --> 01:56:46,399
The addition of Ernie, I think,
was really special in a lot of ways.
1978
01:56:46,440 --> 01:56:50,295
If there's a steady paycheck in it,
I'll believe anything you say.
1979
01:56:50,336 --> 01:56:52,756
Ernie brought in the
outsiders to people
1980
01:56:52,797 --> 01:56:55,533
that didn't really feel
like a Ghostbuster, you know?
1981
01:56:55,574 --> 01:56:59,957
it would be a Twinkie… 35 feet long,
weighing approximately 600 pounds
1982
01:56:59,998 --> 01:57:01,598
That's a big Twinkie.
1983
01:57:01,639 --> 01:57:02,975
I think I was very fortunate
1984
01:57:03,016 --> 01:57:06,019
to be making popular movies
1985
01:57:06,853 --> 01:57:12,526
in this era, an era of directorial power
which we didn't really quite
1986
01:57:12,567 --> 01:57:16,279
have as directors prior to it
and certainly
1987
01:57:16,320 --> 01:57:17,388
after it.
1988
01:57:17,429 --> 01:57:19,429
It's The Stay Puft Marshmallow Man.
1989
01:57:20,241 --> 01:57:21,176
My films,
1990
01:57:21,243 --> 01:57:25,580
they almost uniquely have a kind
of emotionality that made you feel good.
1991
01:57:25,997 --> 01:57:29,942
It's the positiveness
that made for repeat viewing.
1992
01:57:29,983 --> 01:57:32,983
Let's show this prehistoric bitch
how we do things downtown.
1993
01:57:46,161 --> 01:57:48,145
The Last Starfighter.
1994
01:57:48,186 --> 01:57:50,313
The Last Starfighter is about a boy
1995
01:57:50,354 --> 01:57:53,357
in a trailer park who is
really good at a video game.
1996
01:57:55,081 --> 01:57:57,081
Yeah!
1997
01:57:58,321 --> 01:57:59,614
It turns out to be an
1998
01:57:59,655 --> 01:58:02,075
actual recruitment tool.
1999
01:58:02,116 --> 01:58:04,099
Aha! A test sent out
across the universe
2000
01:58:04,140 --> 01:58:06,640
to find those with the gift
to be starfighters.
2001
01:58:06,788 --> 01:58:08,415
It's the perfect fantasy
2002
01:58:08,456 --> 01:58:11,167
if you play video games.
2003
01:58:11,626 --> 01:58:14,171
It was a genius idea,
the fact that nobody came up with it
2004
01:58:14,212 --> 01:58:17,615
before that, is kind of amazing.
2005
01:58:17,656 --> 01:58:19,656
You were recruited by the star league
to defend -
2006
01:58:20,180 --> 01:58:23,180
to defend the frontier against Xur
and the Ko-Dan armada.
2007
01:58:23,721 --> 01:58:26,682
Although most of it
takes place in outer space,
2008
01:58:26,724 --> 01:58:29,769
there's such a down to earth
element about it.
2009
01:58:31,437 --> 01:58:33,732
Nick Castle, the director,
wanted to imbue it
2010
01:58:33,773 --> 01:58:36,109
with a sort of a Capra-esque
sort of quality.
2011
01:58:36,333 --> 01:58:38,116
I'm shaking the dust of this crummy
2012
01:58:38,157 --> 01:58:41,140
little town off my feet and
I'm gonna see the world!
2013
01:58:41,181 --> 01:58:43,181
Forget it, man.
I'm doing something with my life.
2014
01:58:43,783 --> 01:58:45,744
He has this girlfriend,
2015
01:58:45,785 --> 01:58:50,540
he has dreams of doing bigger
things and all his dreams
2016
01:58:50,581 --> 01:58:53,317
keep falling through.
2017
01:58:53,358 --> 01:58:55,358
Still go to city college
with your friends.
2018
01:58:57,421 --> 01:59:01,259
Until this incredible
situation comes along,
2019
01:59:01,300 --> 01:59:03,786
and he almost doesn't
take advantage of it.
2020
01:59:03,827 --> 01:59:07,110
Listen, Centauri. I'm not any of those guys,
I'm a kid from a trailer park.
2021
01:59:07,151 --> 01:59:10,185
That's what you think!
Then that's all you'll ever be.
2022
01:59:10,476 --> 01:59:13,629
Robert Preston, The Music Man,
The Music Man in outer space.
2023
01:59:13,670 --> 01:59:15,653
Trouble with a capital T,
and that rhymes with P,
2024
01:59:15,694 --> 01:59:17,150
and that stands for Pool.
2025
01:59:17,191 --> 01:59:19,861
When we found out that he would
do it, we were just so happy.
2026
01:59:21,047 --> 01:59:23,047
Centauri!
2027
01:59:23,281 --> 01:59:26,326
Very robust fellow.
Smoked like a chimney,
2028
01:59:26,451 --> 01:59:28,228
but he had that great voice.
2029
01:59:28,336 --> 01:59:29,971
Say hello to my assistant, Beta.
2030
01:59:31,289 --> 01:59:32,115
Howdy.
2031
01:59:34,500 --> 01:59:37,403
I did get to act with two Alex's, lucky me.
2032
01:59:37,444 --> 01:59:39,927
I'm a state of the art,
top of the line beta unit,
2033
01:59:39,968 --> 01:59:42,968
put here as a courtesy replacement
for while you are away.
2034
01:59:45,386 --> 01:59:46,805
He's just comically inept.
2035
01:59:46,846 --> 01:59:48,890
That's why it was fun to play,
because you can
2036
01:59:48,931 --> 01:59:52,351
just put yourself in that position
where everything is brand new.
2037
01:59:52,685 --> 01:59:54,837
Nothing is normal.
2038
01:59:59,317 --> 02:00:02,028
Dan O'Herlihy.
2039
02:00:02,111 --> 02:00:03,697
He agreed to play Grig.
2040
02:00:03,738 --> 02:00:06,324
Grig, the gung-ho iguana?
2041
02:00:07,241 --> 02:00:09,744
He would never be seen.
There would always be
2042
02:00:09,785 --> 02:00:12,705
this prosthetic giant mask over him.
2043
02:00:12,872 --> 02:00:16,292
He had to triple what he would
normally do in terms of gestures.
2044
02:00:17,916 --> 02:00:20,216
Ah, now you look cute!
2045
02:00:20,296 --> 02:00:21,965
I never saw him
2046
02:00:22,006 --> 02:00:25,093
not looking like lizard man,
and he's very distinguished looking,
2047
02:00:25,134 --> 02:00:28,429
you know, white haired, blue eyed
Irish guy, you know, and I just didn't
2048
02:00:28,930 --> 02:00:31,040
I didn't really know
what he looked like.
2049
02:00:31,081 --> 02:00:32,726
How do you do?
2050
02:00:32,767 --> 02:00:34,393
He does this like...
2051
02:00:42,443 --> 02:00:44,196
I was cast in Last Starfighter
2052
02:00:44,237 --> 02:00:48,074
playing a role called Lewis's Friend.
2053
02:00:48,449 --> 02:00:51,244
Spaceship lands to return
Alex to the trailer park
2054
02:00:51,494 --> 02:00:54,146
and I go, "Aliens, awesome!"
2055
02:00:54,187 --> 02:00:56,124
Oh, my God!
2056
02:00:56,165 --> 02:00:58,376
They cut that scene from the movie
before it was ever filmed,
2057
02:00:58,834 --> 02:01:02,130
but I had already done a bunch of
featured extra work, so every year
2058
02:01:02,171 --> 02:01:06,509
I get a couple of hundred bucks from
The Last Starfighter as a residual payment
2059
02:01:06,550 --> 02:01:10,596
and I get to be part of a movie that,
as a fan, I was crazy about as a kid.
2060
02:01:10,638 --> 02:01:11,973
Are you kidding me?
2061
02:01:14,350 --> 02:01:15,477
I was not aware
2062
02:01:15,518 --> 02:01:18,604
of the amount of pressure
because of the CGI,
2063
02:01:19,313 --> 02:01:23,359
the tension it was surrounding,
Oh my God, is this going to work or not?
2064
02:01:23,401 --> 02:01:25,528
This may be a colossal failure.
2065
02:01:29,615 --> 02:01:32,326
The very end of the death
blossom sequence,
2066
02:01:32,618 --> 02:01:35,496
when I sat in a cage,
it was like a carnival ride.
2067
02:01:36,289 --> 02:01:39,400
And I could do about two of them
and then I was like...
2068
02:01:44,197 --> 02:01:46,047
The movie didn't make
any money when it came out,
2069
02:01:46,090 --> 02:01:49,635
it was only the people that
saw it on VHS or HBO.
2070
02:01:50,678 --> 02:01:55,016
Someone told me that Last Starfighter
was number one in video rentals.
2071
02:01:55,141 --> 02:01:58,395
Thank God for science,
creating another avenue for people
2072
02:01:58,436 --> 02:02:01,272
to see it and enjoy it.
2073
02:02:02,523 --> 02:02:04,067
That's what the movie's about,
2074
02:02:04,108 --> 02:02:07,486
the possibilities are unknown,
2075
02:02:07,653 --> 02:02:12,408
but are out there,
and all you have to do is find them
2076
02:02:12,616 --> 02:02:15,561
and then hold on tight
and go for the ride.
2077
02:02:26,756 --> 02:02:29,700
No words,
really, for what Buckaroo Banzai is.
2078
02:02:29,741 --> 02:02:31,428
Let's rock and roll!
2079
02:02:31,469 --> 02:02:33,555
Could I really tell you the storyline?
2080
02:02:33,596 --> 02:02:35,473
I'm not sure.
2081
02:02:39,162 --> 02:02:41,146
Buckaroo Banzai,
perhaps you can explain yourself?
2082
02:02:41,187 --> 02:02:44,107
Do you have to know
what the film is about,
2083
02:02:44,148 --> 02:02:46,317
even if you starred in it?
2084
02:02:53,199 --> 02:02:55,576
Buckaroo Banzai is a film
2085
02:02:56,327 --> 02:03:00,831
that to this day, I do not understand.
If you can tell me what it's about,
2086
02:03:01,374 --> 02:03:02,459
I'll give you money.
2087
02:03:02,500 --> 02:03:04,377
He was able to do everything.
2088
02:03:04,418 --> 02:03:08,715
He was like a scientist,
a rock star, a samurai warrior.
2089
02:03:08,756 --> 02:03:10,592
No limitations whatsoever.
2090
02:03:10,633 --> 02:03:15,304
Just a fun imaginary story
about a group of scientists
2091
02:03:15,471 --> 02:03:20,393
that play rock and roll and,
you know, defy the laws of physics.
2092
02:03:23,270 --> 02:03:25,732
Is it a comedy, is it sci fi,
is it action?
2093
02:03:25,773 --> 02:03:28,275
Is it a social satire?
2094
02:03:28,317 --> 02:03:30,320
Is it a love story? Is it romance?
2095
02:03:30,361 --> 02:03:32,697
What is it?
And it doesn't spoon feed you anything.
2096
02:03:32,738 --> 02:03:36,992
It just throws you in the middle
of this haywire crazy world.
2097
02:03:37,284 --> 02:03:40,738
It was a ship that was
being steered by Richter.
2098
02:03:41,205 --> 02:03:43,783
Richter and Mac would always powwow.
2099
02:03:43,850 --> 02:03:46,052
To them, it made sense.
2100
02:03:46,136 --> 02:03:48,285
Subcutaneous microphones
are gonna allow the
2101
02:03:48,338 --> 02:03:51,109
patient to transmit
verbal instructions to his own brain.
2102
02:03:51,174 --> 02:03:52,801
All we had to know
2103
02:03:52,842 --> 02:03:57,380
is that we had to act
like it made sense to us, right?
2104
02:03:57,647 --> 02:03:58,782
What are they?
2105
02:03:59,474 --> 02:04:01,851
Lectroids from Planet 10
by way of the the eighth dimension.
2106
02:04:02,070 --> 02:04:05,312
I guess I'm going to be
the dry, straight man surrounded by lunatics.
2107
02:04:06,230 --> 02:04:09,425
I had great fun
watching Peter go through his process,
2108
02:04:09,525 --> 02:04:11,303
and Ellen go through hers,
2109
02:04:11,344 --> 02:04:13,680
and Jeff Goldblum just brilliantly
2110
02:04:13,821 --> 02:04:17,783
stealing every scene that he was in.
2111
02:04:19,994 --> 02:04:22,496
We all gave up to Jeff's antics
and just enjoyed them
2112
02:04:22,872 --> 02:04:25,682
rather than try to compete with them,
because you couldn't, you couldn't win.
2113
02:04:25,792 --> 02:04:28,427
You know, I thought you were
gonna rehearse or something.
2114
02:04:28,550 --> 02:04:29,837
The Hong Kong Cavaliers.
2115
02:04:31,172 --> 02:04:34,508
Billy Vera and The Beaters were
kind of the musical center of that show.
2116
02:04:34,800 --> 02:04:36,927
That was really the Hong
Kong Cavalier band.
2117
02:04:38,721 --> 02:04:41,974
Peter brought in the cornet
because he could play.
2118
02:04:42,057 --> 02:04:44,310
It works perfectly.
2119
02:04:45,436 --> 02:04:47,855
Jeff Goldblum and I got a
band together after that.
2120
02:04:48,189 --> 02:04:51,217
Matter of fact I've got to leave right
here and go play the trumpet.
2121
02:04:51,258 --> 02:04:53,258
Evil! Pure and simple from
the eighth dimension!
2122
02:04:54,153 --> 02:04:56,865
I had special abilities
to do stunts and things,
2123
02:04:56,906 --> 02:04:59,349
and so they asked me
if I wanted to be a lectroid.
2124
02:04:59,390 --> 02:05:01,390
John Whorfin Destroyed.
2125
02:05:01,994 --> 02:05:04,581
John Lithgow is also an intense actor,
2126
02:05:04,622 --> 02:05:05,940
but he's also very silly.
2127
02:05:06,082 --> 02:05:08,209
Of course it's me, you fool.
Who'd you think?
2128
02:05:08,250 --> 02:05:11,545
I think he found Lizardo
to be liberating,
2129
02:05:11,587 --> 02:05:16,624
given the gravity that had been
laid on him as an Oscar nominee.
2130
02:05:16,665 --> 02:05:18,665
John Lithgow,
in The World According to Garp.
2131
02:05:21,288 --> 02:05:22,718
He was just
having a good time.
2132
02:05:23,057 --> 02:05:24,133
Where are we going?
2133
02:05:24,220 --> 02:05:26,599
- Planet 10!
- When?
2134
02:05:26,728 --> 02:05:28,146
Real soon!
2135
02:05:28,187 --> 02:05:30,481
You put John Lithgow and
Christopher Lloyd in a room,
2136
02:05:30,856 --> 02:05:34,109
the mind can't conceive
of what the acting result would be
2137
02:05:34,276 --> 02:05:37,947
I was supposed to be tortured,
and all I'm doing is hysterically laughing.
2138
02:05:38,072 --> 02:05:40,158
I think of that scene now I crack up.
2139
02:05:40,199 --> 02:05:42,059
Those are two gifted human beings.
2140
02:05:42,100 --> 02:05:44,100
Bigbooté.
2141
02:05:44,924 --> 02:05:46,924
Activate your probes.
2142
02:05:48,123 --> 02:05:51,176
And then they promise you a
sequel, and the sequel never comes.
2143
02:05:51,502 --> 02:05:55,923
A lot of the studio bosses
didn't know what to make of it.
2144
02:05:56,173 --> 02:06:00,887
It was supposed to be a series of movies
and they were supposed to all
2145
02:06:00,928 --> 02:06:04,640
be as lighthearted
and antic and sort of over-the-top.
2146
02:06:06,684 --> 02:06:08,978
It would fit in so well right now,
2147
02:06:09,103 --> 02:06:11,897
that sort of alternative universe world
2148
02:06:12,356 --> 02:06:15,568
audiences now are more attuned, I think.
2149
02:06:15,609 --> 02:06:19,029
It would have been fun to see it
go on and get weirder and weirder.
2150
02:06:20,489 --> 02:06:22,992
My eight year old watched it,
I said, "What's it about?"
2151
02:06:23,033 --> 02:06:24,661
He says, "Who cares what it's about?"
2152
02:06:24,702 --> 02:06:27,997
We don't have to care what
it's about, do we?
2153
02:06:29,665 --> 02:06:31,567
I guess not.
2154
02:06:31,608 --> 02:06:33,608
Remember, no matter
where you go,
2155
02:06:34,632 --> 02:06:36,632
There you are.
2156
02:06:42,595 --> 02:06:45,431
Terminator is a classic.
2157
02:06:47,535 --> 02:06:49,519
The Terminator.
2158
02:06:49,560 --> 02:06:52,187
Out of the gate, I appreciated
Cameron's film-making.
2159
02:06:52,229 --> 02:06:53,856
It was so satisfying.
2160
02:06:53,897 --> 02:06:58,277
You're just watching this extremely
talented filmmaker erupt onto the scene
2161
02:06:58,611 --> 02:07:00,822
and you just go, oh, I'm going
to now see every film
2162
02:07:00,863 --> 02:07:03,015
this person does because
they're obviously really good.
2163
02:07:03,056 --> 02:07:05,039
What day is it? The date!
2164
02:07:05,080 --> 02:07:07,063
12th, May, Thursday.
2165
02:07:07,104 --> 02:07:09,104
What year?!
2166
02:07:09,622 --> 02:07:12,232
It goes and it's just perfect.
2167
02:07:12,273 --> 02:07:14,256
You can't do that.
2168
02:07:14,297 --> 02:07:16,297
Wrong.
2169
02:07:17,296 --> 02:07:20,091
I was very inspired
by the editing of Terminator,
2170
02:07:20,132 --> 02:07:23,552
the speed of Terminator,
the harshness of Terminator.
2171
02:07:28,307 --> 02:07:30,809
The script was an excellent
blueprint for the movie.
2172
02:07:31,226 --> 02:07:35,230
It had propulsion, mystery,
annihilation, suspense,
2173
02:07:35,606 --> 02:07:39,276
romance, time travel.
2174
02:07:40,736 --> 02:07:42,529
It was all there.
2175
02:07:44,634 --> 02:07:46,618
Come with me if
you want to live.
2176
02:07:46,659 --> 02:07:50,079
Because the exposition is all on the run
during a shootout.
2177
02:07:50,450 --> 02:07:52,323
I'm Reese, assigned to protect you.
2178
02:07:52,465 --> 02:07:53,916
You've been targeted
for termination.
2179
02:07:53,957 --> 02:07:56,836
You're like living and dying in a scene
2180
02:07:56,877 --> 02:07:59,880
and getting out the back story.
2181
02:08:00,881 --> 02:08:03,300
It was a dark version of the future.
2182
02:08:03,467 --> 02:08:07,472
I loved the down and dirty
spareness of a B movie
2183
02:08:07,513 --> 02:08:09,340
sort of aspect to it.
2184
02:08:12,076 --> 02:08:15,296
His hope was to make a world class
genre picture
2185
02:08:15,521 --> 02:08:17,248
heavily influenced by George Miller
2186
02:08:17,356 --> 02:08:21,694
other than the fact that he broke down
all barriers and went gonzo.
2187
02:08:24,822 --> 02:08:28,325
Jim had a certain vision
and he was pushing the envelope.
2188
02:08:28,617 --> 02:08:31,204
We weren't Hollywood
redoing the same thing.
2189
02:08:31,245 --> 02:08:34,957
Jim was saying,
"No, no, no, we can go... here."
2190
02:08:38,794 --> 02:08:40,129
In between
all the action pieces,
2191
02:08:40,170 --> 02:08:44,425
there are some genuine high concept ideas
that get discussed about predestination
2192
02:08:44,466 --> 02:08:46,451
and your fate and what role
you play in history.
2193
02:08:46,492 --> 02:08:48,975
You're talking about things
that I haven't done yet
2194
02:08:49,016 --> 02:08:51,816
in the past tense.
It's driving me crazy.
2195
02:08:51,932 --> 02:08:53,101
Computers, once
2196
02:08:53,142 --> 02:08:56,645
they become sentient,
artificial intelligence will turn on us.
2197
02:08:56,979 --> 02:09:00,775
The technology itself will be
bent back upon us in the guise
2198
02:09:00,816 --> 02:09:04,111
of Arnold Schwarzenegger with an Uzi.
2199
02:09:06,071 --> 02:09:07,699
Lance Henriksen was
2200
02:09:07,740 --> 02:09:11,411
who Jim originally did his concept
sketch of The Terminator around.
2201
02:09:11,452 --> 02:09:14,705
With his skin coming away and
seeing the skeleton underneath.
2202
02:09:14,955 --> 02:09:18,501
I'm sure Lance was very disappointed
when he didn't get to play The Terminator,
2203
02:09:18,542 --> 02:09:21,713
but I can't imagine that
character without Arnold
2204
02:09:21,754 --> 02:09:23,280
portraying it.
2205
02:09:23,321 --> 02:09:25,321
Get out.
2206
02:09:26,884 --> 02:09:29,220
The Terminator skull itself,
2207
02:09:29,261 --> 02:09:33,099
many people don't know this,
the dimensions of it were arrived
2208
02:09:33,140 --> 02:09:37,645
at by taking a life cast of Arnold
and then carving down
2209
02:09:37,686 --> 02:09:41,565
from his features
down to a skull that would fit.
2210
02:09:41,857 --> 02:09:43,860
And those are Arnold's teeth.
2211
02:09:43,901 --> 02:09:46,153
The Terminator has Arnold
Schwarzenegger's teeth.
2212
02:09:46,695 --> 02:09:48,947
The point for Cameron was Sarah Connor.
2213
02:09:49,323 --> 02:09:53,368
He wanted the target to be the
most ordinary person he can imagine.
2214
02:09:53,494 --> 02:09:55,288
It's almost a Hitchcockian rule.
2215
02:09:55,329 --> 02:09:56,539
The ordinary person.
2216
02:09:56,580 --> 02:09:57,999
with Extraordinary circumstances.
2217
02:09:58,040 --> 02:09:59,667
That's what makes you relate.
2218
02:09:59,708 --> 02:10:01,961
Sarah Connor is an ordinary waitress
2219
02:10:02,002 --> 02:10:04,130
who will give birth
to the savior of the future.
2220
02:10:04,255 --> 02:10:07,094
I didn't ask for this honor,
and I don't want it!
2221
02:10:07,135 --> 02:10:08,593
Any of it!
2222
02:10:08,634 --> 02:10:11,595
Linda Hamilton and Michael Biehn's
performance was incredible.
2223
02:10:12,179 --> 02:10:16,934
By the time the two of them got together
at the end, they so deserved it.
2224
02:10:16,975 --> 02:10:20,813
You knew exactly why
they were making love, obviously,
2225
02:10:20,854 --> 02:10:23,673
to save the world, to have this child.
2226
02:10:23,714 --> 02:10:25,714
I came across time
for you, Sarah.
2227
02:10:26,038 --> 02:10:28,021
I love you.
2228
02:10:28,062 --> 02:10:29,655
I always have.
2229
02:10:29,696 --> 02:10:31,741
She may be able to change the timeline
2230
02:10:31,782 --> 02:10:34,201
that she's on, is our future determined?
2231
02:10:34,952 --> 02:10:38,580
Do we have a choice in this algorithm
that we find ourselves in?
2232
02:10:38,997 --> 02:10:40,500
There is an ethical dilemma here.
2233
02:10:40,541 --> 02:10:42,794
We have to ask ourselves,
why are the Terminators
2234
02:10:42,835 --> 02:10:44,295
trying to get rid of the humans?
2235
02:10:44,336 --> 02:10:47,214
Are the machines of the future
going to be environmentalists?
2236
02:10:47,673 --> 02:10:50,718
Because if they are, we better
be very frightened because we're
2237
02:10:50,759 --> 02:10:54,388
not doing the job that we need
to be doing to protect this planet.
2238
02:10:54,721 --> 02:10:57,791
And they may see us as a threat
and want to take us out.
2239
02:10:57,832 --> 02:10:59,832
I'll be back.
2240
02:11:12,531 --> 02:11:15,668
2010 is based on Arthur C. Clark's novel:
2010 Odyssey Two,
2241
02:11:16,410 --> 02:11:19,872
which is itself a sequel to
the film version of 2001.
2242
02:11:20,747 --> 02:11:23,125
It has the thankless
task of being a sequel
2243
02:11:23,166 --> 02:11:25,627
to the greatest
science fiction film ever made.
2244
02:11:27,004 --> 02:11:29,090
The last thing you want to do
is make the sequel
2245
02:11:29,131 --> 02:11:33,510
to 2001 and piss off
Arthur C. Clark or Stanley Kubrick.
2246
02:11:33,552 --> 02:11:37,890
I would not do the film unless Kubrick
said, "Okay" and Arthur C. Clark said, "Okay".
2247
02:11:37,931 --> 02:11:39,058
And Stanley Kubrick, to me,
2248
02:11:39,099 --> 02:11:42,194
is one of the great directors of
the greatest directors that's ever lived.
2249
02:11:42,269 --> 02:11:43,604
I am not.
2250
02:11:43,937 --> 02:11:46,816
The only way to do
it was to make a film that
2251
02:11:46,857 --> 02:11:49,151
honestly could not be compared to 2001.
2252
02:11:52,571 --> 02:11:55,157
They're different in every possible way.
2253
02:11:56,992 --> 02:11:59,328
Kubrick said,
"Just make sure it's yours.
2254
02:11:59,495 --> 02:12:01,271
"Just make sure you
make your film."
2255
02:12:02,664 --> 02:12:04,375
Roy Scheider plays Heywood Floyd,
2256
02:12:04,416 --> 02:12:07,753
who was originally portrayed
by William Sylvester in 2001.
2257
02:12:08,253 --> 02:12:11,841
He has an opportunity to go out to Jupiter
2258
02:12:11,882 --> 02:12:15,302
and determine what actually happened
with the crew of the Discovery.
2259
02:12:15,677 --> 02:12:19,181
Scheider, along with John Lithgow
and Bob Balaban,
2260
02:12:19,222 --> 02:12:22,592
hitch a ride aboard a Russian spacecraft
captained by Helen Mirren.
2261
02:12:22,633 --> 02:12:25,116
What has happened
to American bravery?
2262
02:12:25,157 --> 02:12:27,140
Alive and well,
thank you very much.
2263
02:12:27,181 --> 02:12:29,181
What’s happened to
Russian common sense?
2264
02:12:30,359 --> 02:12:32,778
This was the height of the Reagan era,
and here's a film
2265
02:12:32,819 --> 02:12:36,865
about Russians and Americans
doing a joint venture in space.
2266
02:12:37,449 --> 02:12:40,619
In Arthur's book, everybody
got along famously.
2267
02:12:40,702 --> 02:12:44,790
I thought it would be interesting
to have all hell break loose on Earth
2268
02:12:45,207 --> 02:12:47,260
and have it become serious.
2269
02:12:47,376 --> 02:12:51,276
All American personnel are ordered
to leave Soviet territory immediately,
2270
02:12:51,380 --> 02:12:53,175
or they will
be placed under arrest.
2271
02:12:53,298 --> 02:12:54,592
It plays with the Cold War
2272
02:12:54,633 --> 02:12:59,972
thing, the early '80s paranoia
that we had, but it also takes HAL,
2273
02:13:00,013 --> 02:13:02,849
who is essentially the villain in 2001
2274
02:13:03,225 --> 02:13:06,753
and kind of reprograms him to be the hero.
2275
02:13:06,794 --> 02:13:08,777
Do you want me to
stay with you?
2276
02:13:08,818 --> 02:13:12,318
No. It is better for
the mission if you leave.
2277
02:13:13,485 --> 02:13:14,654
Keir Dullea returns to
2278
02:13:14,695 --> 02:13:17,406
reprise his role as Dave Bowman.
2279
02:13:19,825 --> 02:13:24,121
And Douglas Rain returns
to voice HAL, the computer.
2280
02:13:24,162 --> 02:13:25,345
Talked to Floyd?
2281
02:13:25,456 --> 02:13:26,269
Yes.
2282
02:13:26,310 --> 02:13:28,093
Would you like to
play a game of chess?
2283
02:13:28,134 --> 02:13:29,146
I play very well.
2284
02:13:29,210 --> 02:13:30,086
I'm sure you do.
2285
02:13:30,210 --> 02:13:32,629
I had recorded Douglas first.
2286
02:13:33,005 --> 02:13:36,616
So when Keir did his scenes,
he did them with HAL.
2287
02:13:36,657 --> 02:13:38,640
I'm afraid.
2288
02:13:38,681 --> 02:13:40,972
Don't be. We'll be together.
2289
02:13:41,013 --> 02:13:43,349
And he came to me afterwards in tears,
2290
02:13:43,390 --> 02:13:48,353
because when he did 2001, he did it
with a Cockney third assistant director.
2291
02:13:48,562 --> 02:13:50,190
Open the Pod bay doors, HAL.
2292
02:13:50,231 --> 02:13:53,050
Sorry, Dave.
Can't do that, Dave.
2293
02:13:53,266 --> 02:13:55,766
We use the docking ring in Leonov
to attach to the Discovery.
2294
02:13:59,390 --> 02:14:01,590
For a trip back home.
2295
02:14:02,159 --> 02:14:04,412
Roy Scheider was a joy
2296
02:14:04,453 --> 02:14:06,997
The only quirk with Roy was
he was always in the sun.
2297
02:14:07,247 --> 02:14:10,042
He would be outside the
studio with a reflector.
2298
02:14:10,208 --> 02:14:13,462
The crew put a sign that said
Scheider Beach outside the stage.
2299
02:14:15,088 --> 02:14:19,468
In 2001, the monolith was a sentinel,
it's an alarm that goes off
2300
02:14:19,634 --> 02:14:22,095
that tells some other
2301
02:14:22,554 --> 02:14:25,140
intelligence that somebody
has stepped on the Moon.
2302
02:14:25,640 --> 02:14:29,061
I certainly think they left a lot
to people's own interpretation.
2303
02:14:33,607 --> 02:14:37,402
In 2010, the monolith is a
basic life form building block.
2304
02:14:37,652 --> 02:14:39,654
I think it's kind of futuristic DNA.
2305
02:14:40,155 --> 02:14:42,282
I tried to make a science feasible film.
2306
02:14:42,449 --> 02:14:44,785
I just wanted to make a film
that was completely different,
2307
02:14:45,118 --> 02:14:48,580
so it could not rightfully
be compared to 2001
2308
02:14:48,747 --> 02:14:50,999
because I can't be compared
to Stanley Kubrick.
2309
02:14:51,166 --> 02:14:53,234
It's as simple as that.
2310
02:14:53,275 --> 02:14:55,258
What's going to happen?
2311
02:14:55,299 --> 02:14:57,299
Something wonderful.
2312
02:15:04,723 --> 02:15:07,206
Dune, a world beyond
your experience,
2313
02:15:07,247 --> 02:15:09,247
beyond your imagination.
2314
02:15:11,311 --> 02:15:15,908
Dune, that's a huge, bestselling book
with a dedicated fan following.
2315
02:15:15,949 --> 02:15:19,828
Back in the '80s,
those marketers,
2316
02:15:20,320 --> 02:15:24,741
they had no idea. They couldn't figure out
how to sell the real hard sci fi,
2317
02:15:25,450 --> 02:15:28,579
even though there was huge demand for it.
2318
02:15:28,620 --> 02:15:29,955
People weren't ready for them.
2319
02:15:29,996 --> 02:15:31,749
The precedent hadn't been set.
2320
02:15:31,790 --> 02:15:35,752
Dune takes place on four planets,
I could never keep them straight.
2321
02:15:35,794 --> 02:15:37,712
I've had more fun with sand at the beach.
2322
02:15:40,298 --> 02:15:43,219
David Lynch's Dune,
is this brilliantly evocative story
2323
02:15:43,260 --> 02:15:46,221
about 3000 years into the future,
2324
02:15:46,429 --> 02:15:49,474
and it's all about the planet Dune, Arrakis
2325
02:15:50,183 --> 02:15:52,669
the source of spice.
2326
02:15:52,710 --> 02:15:54,693
The spice extends life.
2327
02:15:54,734 --> 02:15:56,734
The spice expands consciousness.
2328
02:15:59,192 --> 02:16:03,738
The metaphor is it's about the Middle East
and about discovery of oil
2329
02:16:03,989 --> 02:16:06,592
and how everybody wants
to get their hands on it and occupy it.
2330
02:16:06,700 --> 02:16:08,619
I mean, the drug metaphors
are quite clear.
2331
02:16:08,660 --> 02:16:10,228
You know, throughout.
2332
02:16:10,269 --> 02:16:12,252
thoughts acquire speed,
the lips acquire stains,
2333
02:16:12,293 --> 02:16:15,593
stains become a warning.
It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
2334
02:16:17,335 --> 02:16:18,629
But it's this wonderful kind
2335
02:16:18,670 --> 02:16:21,841
of messianic adventure story,
2336
02:16:21,882 --> 02:16:25,302
full of great detail.
2337
02:16:25,343 --> 02:16:28,055
So the design of the
technology, the spacecraft,
2338
02:16:28,096 --> 02:16:32,810
and the hardware is Lynchian.
Wonderful sort of gothic sensibility
2339
02:16:32,851 --> 02:16:36,688
or art deco.
When you get David Lynch making anything,
2340
02:16:36,813 --> 02:16:40,442
he is fascinated by the textures
2341
02:16:40,734 --> 02:16:43,945
of existence and life.
2342
02:16:44,529 --> 02:16:47,782
The thing that came
in, we were just like, oh Lord,
2343
02:16:49,951 --> 02:16:51,612
they were so ugly.
2344
02:16:53,205 --> 02:16:55,575
Who's going to clean up
the messes in science fiction.
2345
02:16:55,620 --> 02:16:56,813
Who's the guy with the mop.
2346
02:16:58,543 --> 02:17:02,047
And of course, we were obsessed with
this idea of what the worms looked like.
2347
02:17:02,339 --> 02:17:06,635
They were the great challenge
of making Dune work and very wisely,
2348
02:17:06,676 --> 02:17:09,146
Lynch called upon the talents
of Carlo Rambaldi,
2349
02:17:09,190 --> 02:17:11,817
who was the great puppet creator.
2350
02:17:13,266 --> 02:17:16,228
The worms, little...
2351
02:17:16,269 --> 02:17:19,439
And then we had T-shirts on the show
that said 'I rode the worm',
2352
02:17:19,856 --> 02:17:21,925
and it was ridiculous, you know?
2353
02:17:21,966 --> 02:17:24,349
I am Chani, daughter of Liet.
2354
02:17:24,390 --> 02:17:26,390
From my dreams.
2355
02:17:27,781 --> 02:17:31,327
The first day of working on Dune,
I was a little scared.
2356
02:17:31,368 --> 02:17:34,187
That's a huge project.
2357
02:17:34,228 --> 02:17:36,211
I will love you forever.
2358
02:17:36,252 --> 02:17:37,416
You are my life.
2359
02:17:37,457 --> 02:17:40,335
Kyle was a lot of fun,
and he was very diligent.
2360
02:17:40,835 --> 02:17:42,671
He worked hard.
2361
02:17:45,090 --> 02:17:47,092
And he really wanted to do the best job
2362
02:17:47,133 --> 02:17:48,093
he could.
2363
02:17:49,017 --> 02:17:51,017
- The pain!
- Enough!
2364
02:17:51,972 --> 02:17:54,433
Sting felt pretty silly
in that blue thong,
2365
02:17:54,474 --> 02:17:57,644
I got to tell you, he was
kind of like, Oh my God.
2366
02:17:59,562 --> 02:18:02,066
I just used to crack up
whenever I saw myself
2367
02:18:02,107 --> 02:18:06,052
on that movie,
going, "Muad'Dib!"
2368
02:18:06,093 --> 02:18:08,093
Muad'Dib!
2369
02:18:09,489 --> 02:18:11,616
The still-suit is built for you.
2370
02:18:11,940 --> 02:18:15,023
With a Fremen suit
in good working condition,
2371
02:18:15,064 --> 02:18:17,047
life can be sustained
for weeks.
2372
02:18:17,088 --> 02:18:19,088
Even in the deep desert, Sire.
2373
02:18:20,000 --> 02:18:22,211
They took about half an hour to get on,
2374
02:18:22,252 --> 02:18:24,088
and then basically we
wouldn't take them off,
2375
02:18:24,129 --> 02:18:26,173
but they'd zip down to here,
but we'd squirm
2376
02:18:26,214 --> 02:18:29,217
out of the top of them
and you'd literally avoid liquids
2377
02:18:30,051 --> 02:18:33,597
so that you wouldn't be the one saying,
I have to go to the bathroom
2378
02:18:33,638 --> 02:18:35,224
and make everybody wait half an hour
2379
02:18:35,265 --> 02:18:38,601
while you go over to where the
bathroom is in Churubusco studios.
2380
02:18:39,853 --> 02:18:42,564
Your ears and nose, and
your scalp and your skin
2381
02:18:43,064 --> 02:18:47,486
and your body was just filthy,
so it was quite a commitment
2382
02:18:47,527 --> 02:18:49,863
to clean every night.
2383
02:18:51,364 --> 02:18:54,618
I think David at a certain
point was like, holy crap,
2384
02:18:54,659 --> 02:18:57,787
this is a big project because he would go,
"Well, we'll fix it in post."
2385
02:18:57,912 --> 02:19:00,565
I remember saying, "Oh oh", you know.
2386
02:19:00,606 --> 02:19:02,606
Long live Duke Leto!
2387
02:19:05,253 --> 02:19:08,007
After a while, man, it really
just became like
2388
02:19:08,048 --> 02:19:10,717
everybody would get off work
and hit the bar.
2389
02:19:14,346 --> 02:19:16,556
When people saw the movie Dune,
2390
02:19:16,973 --> 02:19:19,225
they would be handed a glossary sheet.
2391
02:19:20,518 --> 02:19:23,564
There was a lot of dazzle factor with it,
2392
02:19:23,605 --> 02:19:26,191
but the characters themselves,
it was hard to
2393
02:19:27,233 --> 02:19:29,719
for me anyway, it was hard
to relate to it sometimes.
2394
02:19:29,760 --> 02:19:31,760
I will kill him!
2395
02:19:35,284 --> 02:19:37,244
Paul!
2396
02:19:37,285 --> 02:19:39,705
Why Dune didn't land,
2397
02:19:39,746 --> 02:19:44,084
I think, is debatable, but it didn't,
and some people still love that movie
2398
02:19:44,125 --> 02:19:47,462
and some people it never landed
with, no matter how much time passed.
2399
02:19:47,879 --> 02:19:53,259
I think David in a way felt
out of his element. With the other films,
2400
02:19:53,301 --> 02:19:55,429
I think he had much more control.
2401
02:19:55,470 --> 02:19:59,183
The struggle is what's more
common in show business is people
2402
02:19:59,224 --> 02:20:02,186
struggling to get that vision out,
and I don't think he had ever
2403
02:20:02,227 --> 02:20:05,230
experienced that obstacle before.
2404
02:20:10,540 --> 02:20:13,223
Tom Selleck.
2405
02:20:13,264 --> 02:20:14,947
Cynthia Rhodes.
2406
02:20:14,988 --> 02:20:16,971
Gene Simmons.
2407
02:20:17,012 --> 02:20:19,012
Runaway.
2408
02:20:19,202 --> 02:20:21,538
Runaway was directed
by Michael Crichton.
2409
02:20:21,996 --> 02:20:26,418
It is a futuristic cop
movie about robots
2410
02:20:26,584 --> 02:20:28,878
that are programed to kill people.
2411
02:20:35,301 --> 02:20:36,512
I played the bad guy.
2412
02:20:36,553 --> 02:20:38,263
No, really?
2413
02:20:38,304 --> 02:20:40,456
A guy named Luther.
2414
02:20:40,497 --> 02:20:42,497
I said drop your gun.
2415
02:20:44,021 --> 02:20:46,521
I'm not kidding, asshole.
2416
02:20:46,604 --> 02:20:48,648
The way I auditioned is, he said,
2417
02:20:48,982 --> 02:20:53,027
"Look into my eyes
with intensity that you're going to kill me."
2418
02:20:53,069 --> 02:20:54,113
So I just looked at him.
2419
02:20:54,154 --> 02:20:56,365
He says, "Okay, you got the job."
2420
02:20:56,406 --> 02:20:58,659
I never read for the part.
2421
02:20:58,700 --> 02:20:59,784
I just
2422
02:21:00,243 --> 02:21:02,328
did a lot of brooding.
2423
02:21:04,831 --> 02:21:08,376
Kiss Meets the Phantom of the Park.
2424
02:21:11,671 --> 02:21:12,548
Other than that,
2425
02:21:12,589 --> 02:21:15,800
Runaway was Gene's
first villain role, for sure.
2426
02:21:17,469 --> 02:21:18,804
I loved Magnum P.I.
2427
02:21:18,845 --> 02:21:23,349
and I also loved Kiss growing up.
Gene and his crazy tongue.
2428
02:21:23,683 --> 02:21:26,228
I remember when I met him
the first time I was like,
2429
02:21:26,269 --> 02:21:29,106
"Do you really have a goat's tongue
sewed onto your own?"
2430
02:21:29,147 --> 02:21:32,818
And he's just like,
"No, it's just really long.
2431
02:21:32,859 --> 02:21:34,402
"The ladies love it, right?"
2432
02:21:36,826 --> 02:21:39,726
Hey, come on, tiger.
2433
02:21:41,242 --> 02:21:43,495
The father-son scenes
with Tom Selleck
2434
02:21:43,620 --> 02:21:45,096
came out real.
2435
02:21:45,137 --> 02:21:47,620
It wouldn't kill you to get
married again, you know.
2436
02:21:47,661 --> 02:21:50,127
I know.
It wouldn't kill you to go to sleep.
2437
02:21:50,168 --> 02:21:54,422
The heart of the story and finding that
underlying humanity and connection
2438
02:21:54,464 --> 02:21:57,133
or relatability to the characters
in these stories.
2439
02:22:01,763 --> 02:22:05,058
Advanced technology
in the movie with my gun,
2440
02:22:05,099 --> 02:22:07,602
which I have in my collection,
I have that original gun,
2441
02:22:08,228 --> 02:22:10,855
you shoot the bullet
and it goes around and finds you.
2442
02:22:12,190 --> 02:22:13,608
Heat seeking.
2443
02:22:19,113 --> 02:22:22,367
Little remote control cars.
2444
02:22:25,555 --> 02:22:27,539
One down.
2445
02:22:27,580 --> 02:22:29,999
The spiders that shot acid.
2446
02:22:33,670 --> 02:22:35,380
Those were remote control, really neat.
2447
02:22:35,421 --> 02:22:37,382
There was a couple
of different kinds.
2448
02:22:37,423 --> 02:22:38,759
Some would jump.
2449
02:22:38,800 --> 02:22:41,220
Some would scurry.
2450
02:22:41,261 --> 02:22:42,804
I wanted a spider
2451
02:22:42,845 --> 02:22:44,747
so bad.
2452
02:22:44,788 --> 02:22:46,788
Dad, are you coming
to get me?
2453
02:22:47,141 --> 02:22:49,561
Kids in dangerous situations, yeah,
2454
02:22:49,811 --> 02:22:52,630
the '80s were a little
more free with that.
2455
02:22:52,671 --> 02:22:55,471
Let him go.
Now!
2456
02:22:57,068 --> 02:22:58,362
He's going to let him get killed
2457
02:22:58,403 --> 02:23:03,075
by these crazy acid blowing up spiders.
And it's pretty dark.
2458
02:23:03,116 --> 02:23:06,143
The spiders will let you in,
but they won't let you out.
2459
02:23:06,184 --> 02:23:08,584
I can't have any witnesses,
it's too messy.
2460
02:23:08,708 --> 02:23:11,891
The spiders have been programmed to
kill the first person that comes out
2461
02:23:11,932 --> 02:23:13,502
of the elevator.
2462
02:23:13,543 --> 02:23:15,123
He was just like,
"What? Bobby!"
2463
02:23:15,170 --> 02:23:16,772
Bobby!
2464
02:23:17,213 --> 02:23:19,591
I thought it was good.
I thought it came off well.
2465
02:23:19,632 --> 02:23:21,218
Is the movie a Triple A movie?
2466
02:23:21,259 --> 02:23:24,930
No, but my kids saw it
and they gave me a thumbs up.
2467
02:23:24,971 --> 02:23:26,639
That's good enough.
2468
02:23:38,860 --> 02:23:41,913
Creature effects are a huge part
of the science fiction experience.
2469
02:23:42,238 --> 02:23:45,325
It is so important that we
believe that the creature is real.
2470
02:23:48,703 --> 02:23:51,373
They're really important decisions
for how these films work
2471
02:23:51,414 --> 02:23:54,834
or don't work, if the alien hadn't
worked in Alien and Aliens,
2472
02:23:54,959 --> 02:23:56,044
they don't work at all.
2473
02:23:56,085 --> 02:23:59,507
And if E.T. is absurd, then E.T. fails.
2474
02:23:59,724 --> 02:24:01,790
When you see something on screen,
2475
02:24:01,934 --> 02:24:05,178
that you know for a fact was just a bunch of
people pushing buttons in a dark room somewhere,
2476
02:24:05,262 --> 02:24:06,722
there's a disconnect there.
2477
02:24:06,763 --> 02:24:07,931
But if you see something,
2478
02:24:07,972 --> 02:24:10,934
even if it doesn't look perfectly real,
that's a practical effect.
2479
02:24:10,975 --> 02:24:14,979
You're like, wow! How did they do that?
Where are the operators, what the hell.
2480
02:24:15,480 --> 02:24:17,398
And so there is a connection there.
2481
02:24:19,192 --> 02:24:22,278
There's a charm,
it's a stylistic approach.
2482
02:24:25,114 --> 02:24:28,451
They were still dynamic enough
when presented the right way
2483
02:24:28,660 --> 02:24:32,039
to immerse you in it, and you
forget all about the technology,
2484
02:24:32,080 --> 02:24:34,332
which is a good thing,
and you just follow the story.
2485
02:24:34,874 --> 02:24:36,126
I think that was true of Yoda.
2486
02:24:36,167 --> 02:24:37,711
I think that was true of E.T.
2487
02:24:37,752 --> 02:24:39,046
I saw an early E.T.
2488
02:24:39,087 --> 02:24:42,299
without the sound effects, and I was like,
"Uh, I don't know about this."
2489
02:24:42,340 --> 02:24:46,619
You see it with sound and music and
fine cutting, you don't question anything.
2490
02:24:46,660 --> 02:24:48,660
E.T. phone home.
2491
02:24:49,055 --> 02:24:50,923
E.T.'s design was magical,
2492
02:24:50,964 --> 02:24:53,885
in the scenes
that I did with E.T.
2493
02:24:54,185 --> 02:24:57,689
I could suspend my imagination like that.
2494
02:24:57,730 --> 02:25:00,441
It was just like working with another kid.
2495
02:25:02,735 --> 02:25:04,154
When we first saw
2496
02:25:04,195 --> 02:25:07,990
the Yoda stuff and some of
the rushes, it was like,
2497
02:25:08,199 --> 02:25:11,786
I don't know about this puppet.
2498
02:25:12,203 --> 02:25:15,623
And then you see it
cut together in the scene and it's like,
2499
02:25:16,040 --> 02:25:19,777
yeah, totally works.
You buy the intention.
2500
02:25:19,818 --> 02:25:21,801
I'm looking for someone.
2501
02:25:21,842 --> 02:25:23,842
Looking? Found someone you
have I would say.
2502
02:25:25,800 --> 02:25:27,094
The walking Yoda.
2503
02:25:27,135 --> 02:25:31,389
It was a long perspective shot
they wanted, and they were looking for
2504
02:25:31,514 --> 02:25:35,351
a perfectly proportioned guy
that'll fit in the costume.
2505
02:25:35,685 --> 02:25:38,187
They said,
"You're too tall to be Yoda."
2506
02:25:38,229 --> 02:25:42,108
So they gave me the knee pads
and you have to learn to walk on the knees.
2507
02:25:42,817 --> 02:25:45,820
I worked with Kenny Baker on Star Wars,
2508
02:25:45,987 --> 02:25:49,449
used to have too many beers at lunchtime.
2509
02:25:50,533 --> 02:25:54,120
Couldn't get in, and Dave Tomlin would go,
"Get into R2-D2."
2510
02:25:54,704 --> 02:25:57,623
I said, "But that’s not made for me."
He said,
2511
02:25:58,124 --> 02:25:59,167
"Yeah, get in there."
2512
02:25:59,208 --> 02:26:02,963
Kenny was only three feet, seven inches tall.
2513
02:26:03,004 --> 02:26:06,758
Man, I'm 4'4.
To squeeze into that was hard.
2514
02:26:06,799 --> 02:26:08,051
It was tough.
2515
02:26:08,092 --> 02:26:12,138
I love that every creature effect
is a team of people working together,
2516
02:26:12,388 --> 02:26:17,018
whether it is all of the puppeteers
doing Jabba the Hutt,
2517
02:26:17,393 --> 02:26:22,273
whether it is one guy
in a suit in Predator.
2518
02:26:22,940 --> 02:26:26,527
That giant space worm in the
asteroid in Empire Strikes Back.
2519
02:26:29,322 --> 02:26:33,116
I love that that thing
looks like an oven mitt.
2520
02:26:33,576 --> 02:26:35,787
And it's just someone going like,
2521
02:26:35,828 --> 02:26:38,581
chase it out and do that.
2522
02:26:40,625 --> 02:26:44,296
I'm just certain Slimer is my
most lovable, endearing creation,
2523
02:26:44,337 --> 02:26:47,381
and for those of you that don't
know how he was made,
2524
02:26:48,216 --> 02:26:50,051
I tried to look at it
as a cartoon character.
2525
02:26:50,092 --> 02:26:52,387
You know, Slimer was big.
It wasn't actually a puppet.
2526
02:26:52,428 --> 02:26:55,598
It was a device that a gentleman
named Mark Wilson wore.
2527
02:26:55,932 --> 02:26:57,142
He looked through the mouth.
2528
02:26:57,183 --> 02:26:58,935
We shot against a black stage.
2529
02:26:58,976 --> 02:27:02,396
I can get people in black suits
as many people around him as possible
2530
02:27:02,772 --> 02:27:06,818
to stick their arms in this puppet
and muscle a smile, even the tongue
2531
02:27:07,318 --> 02:27:09,987
that comes out of his mouth
and licks his lips, that's a tongue glove.
2532
02:27:10,655 --> 02:27:12,975
The whole thing was just to make him
as funny as possible.
2533
02:27:13,016 --> 02:27:14,894
In the movie it works,
and I'm really happy with it,
2534
02:27:14,951 --> 02:27:16,802
it's the most iconic thing
I've worked on.
2535
02:27:18,746 --> 02:27:20,015
Everybody knows Slimer.
2536
02:27:20,373 --> 02:27:21,333
He Slimed me.
2537
02:27:21,374 --> 02:27:24,294
The Thing for me has yet to be surpassed
2538
02:27:24,335 --> 02:27:28,256
in the ingenuity and imagination
that you see on screen.
2539
02:27:28,714 --> 02:27:32,844
Rob Bottin was the mastermind
behind the majority
2540
02:27:32,885 --> 02:27:36,890
of what you see.
At a certain point during the production,
2541
02:27:36,931 --> 02:27:39,017
Rob was overwhelmed.
2542
02:27:39,058 --> 02:27:41,728
He was ill and he was not able
2543
02:27:41,769 --> 02:27:45,189
to finish the dog thing effect.
2544
02:27:45,648 --> 02:27:48,318
So Stan Winston decided
2545
02:27:48,359 --> 02:27:51,612
to really make it a very
simple hand puppet.
2546
02:27:51,988 --> 02:27:54,156
You can see if you really look for it,
2547
02:27:54,323 --> 02:27:57,452
the body is where the puppeteers
head is, and the head
2548
02:27:57,493 --> 02:28:01,330
and mouth are simply a hand puppet.
2549
02:28:04,352 --> 02:28:06,336
- Come on.
- Okey Dokey.
2550
02:28:06,377 --> 02:28:09,130
With Howard the Duck, George
wanted to do it as a costume.
2551
02:28:09,171 --> 02:28:12,008
I tried to talk to George out
of it, you know.
2552
02:28:12,084 --> 02:28:15,486
I was like,
"I don't know if it's going to work."
2553
02:28:15,553 --> 02:28:17,097
We don't have the flexibility
2554
02:28:17,138 --> 02:28:20,224
to do what we did today, what we would
be doing with computer graphics.
2555
02:28:20,683 --> 02:28:22,351
But it was going to be a guy in a suit.
2556
02:28:24,353 --> 02:28:25,689
It was a challenge.
2557
02:28:25,730 --> 02:28:27,148
My suit was animatronic.
2558
02:28:27,189 --> 02:28:30,443
We went through 19
different heads at 50,000 each.
2559
02:28:30,693 --> 02:28:33,321
It was put on, and then
hot glued shut.
2560
02:28:33,529 --> 02:28:35,698
So therefore I couldn't
take a regular break.
2561
02:28:36,198 --> 02:28:38,285
No lunch breaks and no breaks at all.
2562
02:28:38,326 --> 02:28:41,287
So they would drop M&M's
down my beak.
2563
02:28:42,079 --> 02:28:42,956
I was a natural.
2564
02:28:42,997 --> 02:28:45,249
I could find my mark without seeing it.
2565
02:28:46,042 --> 02:28:49,128
If you move shit, tell the duck.
2566
02:28:49,170 --> 02:28:51,655
And I tripped over,
50,000 dollar mask gone.
2567
02:28:52,090 --> 02:28:55,802
This is beginning to seriously
undermined my self-esteem.
2568
02:28:55,968 --> 02:28:57,220
Predator is the biggest black
2569
02:28:57,261 --> 02:29:00,181
mark on my career for no
good goddamn reason.
2570
02:29:00,556 --> 02:29:03,643
They handed this design over
that their production designer had done,
2571
02:29:03,684 --> 02:29:05,634
and I immediately said,
"This is never going to work."
2572
02:29:05,687 --> 02:29:08,330
It didn't matter how much time
and money we had, it was impossible.
2573
02:29:08,898 --> 02:29:12,068
They hired Jeanne-Claude
because he's a martial arts expert,
2574
02:29:12,109 --> 02:29:14,528
and they put him in the suit
where he can barely totter.
2575
02:29:15,237 --> 02:29:17,907
It was meant to be
replaced and roto’d.
2576
02:29:18,783 --> 02:29:19,951
So of course the guy's like,
2577
02:29:19,992 --> 02:29:22,370
"Why? Why did you even hire me?"
2578
02:29:23,621 --> 02:29:26,207
No one had bothered to tell from production,
and he gets there and goes,
2579
02:29:26,332 --> 02:29:27,709
"What's with the suit?"
2580
02:29:27,750 --> 02:29:30,077
And I said, "Well, you're playing
a monster in this film."
2581
02:29:30,127 --> 02:29:31,880
"I never thought it was
a real suit."
2582
02:29:31,921 --> 02:29:35,133
"I hate this suit.
I look like a superhero."
2583
02:29:35,174 --> 02:29:37,560
And then he found out he was going
to be invisible for half the movie,
2584
02:29:37,677 --> 02:29:38,845
and he was
enraged about that.
2585
02:29:38,886 --> 02:29:43,975
He didn't know about that, right?
Don't think these guys read the script?
2586
02:29:44,016 --> 02:29:46,920
I tried and tried
to get them to let me do something else
2587
02:29:47,270 --> 02:29:48,788
that I knew would work.
2588
02:29:49,438 --> 02:29:51,024
And they were like, "Absolutely not."
2589
02:29:51,065 --> 02:29:53,609
It was absolutely doomed
from the beginning.
2590
02:29:54,151 --> 02:29:55,862
They pulled the plug pretty quickly.
2591
02:29:55,903 --> 02:29:57,781
I think it was thanks to Arnold,
2592
02:29:57,822 --> 02:30:01,492
who had formed a relationship
with Stan Winston on The Terminator
2593
02:30:01,742 --> 02:30:04,662
that Stan was approached for the job,
"Why don't you call Stan for this one?"
2594
02:30:05,287 --> 02:30:07,268
That's a terrible Arnold impression.
2595
02:30:07,309 --> 02:30:09,209
knowing they had very little time,
2596
02:30:09,250 --> 02:30:12,754
they decided to take an old school approach.
It's just a man in a suit,
2597
02:30:12,795 --> 02:30:16,549
but it's a man in a suit with a killer
2598
02:30:16,716 --> 02:30:20,261
facial design and a killer finish.
2599
02:30:20,678 --> 02:30:23,974
And one of the great creature
suit performers of all time,
2600
02:30:24,015 --> 02:30:27,435
Kevin Peter Hall, who had just done
Harry from Harry and the Hendersons.
2601
02:30:28,561 --> 02:30:31,242
Unlike the Alien, the
Predator could express
2602
02:30:31,283 --> 02:30:32,941
a little emotion when it looks at you,
2603
02:30:32,982 --> 02:30:36,360
you can almost sense its disapproval.
2604
02:30:40,865 --> 02:30:44,986
Alien, one of the most unique
and influential
2605
02:30:45,078 --> 02:30:46,678
creature designs ever.
2606
02:30:46,746 --> 02:30:53,086
In Aliens, James Cameron made
the wise decision to really honor
2607
02:30:53,127 --> 02:30:54,713
H.R. Giger's designs.
2608
02:30:54,754 --> 02:30:58,508
They removed the clear
skull carapace thing
2609
02:30:58,549 --> 02:31:01,052
to reveal this sort of bony
under structure.
2610
02:31:02,136 --> 02:31:04,180
It was a combination of men in suits,
2611
02:31:04,221 --> 02:31:06,933
cable actuated puppets.
2612
02:31:06,974 --> 02:31:10,561
And that sort of thing to bring
those alien warriors to life.
2613
02:31:14,565 --> 02:31:18,278
You got gymnasts and dancers,
people could really morph
2614
02:31:18,319 --> 02:31:21,363
into these creatures bodies
and bring them to life.
2615
02:31:24,325 --> 02:31:27,703
Occasionally, when you had a break,
you know, you'd see one of these guys with
2616
02:31:27,912 --> 02:31:31,248
with their alien head tucked under
their arm, just smoking a cigarette, right?
2617
02:31:31,916 --> 02:31:35,128
I think it was quite amazing
to see how James Cameron
2618
02:31:35,169 --> 02:31:38,631
and Stan Winston worked
together to create the Queen Alien.
2619
02:31:39,340 --> 02:31:41,425
It was awe inspiring, really.
2620
02:31:42,593 --> 02:31:47,265
It was like watching Kabuki theater
manning poles that had wires,
2621
02:31:47,306 --> 02:31:50,602
going over pulleys that would work her arm
2622
02:31:50,643 --> 02:31:53,771
or make her walk forward.
2623
02:31:58,943 --> 02:32:00,779
Then in the Queen Alien head,
2624
02:32:00,820 --> 02:32:06,159
the smallest special effect guy
on the crew, was tucked in her head
2625
02:32:06,200 --> 02:32:10,387
and his only job was to
push goo out of her teeth.
2626
02:32:14,875 --> 02:32:17,002
That was extraordinary film-making, man.
2627
02:32:17,628 --> 02:32:21,424
While most of the shots you
see of the alien queen are the full size
2628
02:32:21,465 --> 02:32:24,468
puppet or parts of the full sized puppet,
there are few moments
2629
02:32:24,802 --> 02:32:28,305
where it's actually a
rod puppeted miniature
2630
02:32:28,514 --> 02:32:32,810
built by the Skotak brothers
from the Stan Winston studio maquette.
2631
02:32:32,935 --> 02:32:35,980
I mean, that film is the
perfect example of how
2632
02:32:36,021 --> 02:32:38,899
you take every technique
2633
02:32:39,233 --> 02:32:41,944
and you bring it all together,
and that's where magic happens.
2634
02:32:58,000 --> 02:32:59,983
This baby hits 88 miles per hour.
2635
02:33:00,024 --> 02:33:02,024
You're gonna see some
serious shit.
2636
02:33:02,840 --> 02:33:04,950
Back to the Future.
2637
02:33:04,991 --> 02:33:06,991
How far you're going?
2638
02:33:07,715 --> 02:33:09,715
About 30 years.
2639
02:33:13,017 --> 02:33:14,227
I love time travel,
2640
02:33:14,268 --> 02:33:17,813
I love the idea that you could just be
transported somewhere in time.
2641
02:33:19,106 --> 02:33:21,151
I'm a huge Back to the Future fan.
2642
02:33:21,192 --> 02:33:25,613
It's a perfect movie, it's probably one of
the great Hollywood scripts of all time.
2643
02:33:26,071 --> 02:33:28,407
It's just an unbreachable screenplay.
2644
02:33:28,531 --> 02:33:30,931
1955
2645
02:33:32,555 --> 02:33:35,655
You're my mo-
you're my mom.
2646
02:33:35,789 --> 02:33:36,541
People say to me,
2647
02:33:36,582 --> 02:33:39,585
"What would you say are the most
important aspects of screenwriting?"
2648
02:33:40,044 --> 02:33:43,797
I say, "There's three of them:
character, character, and character."
2649
02:33:44,590 --> 02:33:48,219
If you're not with your characters,
you've got nothing.
2650
02:33:49,553 --> 02:33:53,432
When you see Doc Brown
introduced in Back to the Future,
2651
02:33:53,515 --> 02:33:57,853
you're going to say, "Okay, I will
believe that what he invents works."
2652
02:33:58,062 --> 02:34:00,899
You look at the DeLorean
and you say, "Yeah, this looks like
2653
02:34:00,940 --> 02:34:03,926
"it's something that the guy
actually did build in his garage."
2654
02:34:03,967 --> 02:34:06,250
I'm from the future.
2655
02:34:06,291 --> 02:34:09,391
I came here in a time machine
that you invented.
2656
02:34:10,074 --> 02:34:11,576
Yes, we can have fun with the
2657
02:34:11,617 --> 02:34:15,162
bells and whistles of time travel,
the clock tower, all that stuff.
2658
02:34:15,454 --> 02:34:19,250
But the end of the day, what we
have in Back to the Future
2659
02:34:19,500 --> 02:34:23,922
is a very simple idea,
which is what would happen
2660
02:34:23,963 --> 02:34:27,007
if I was there on my parents' first date.
2661
02:34:27,299 --> 02:34:28,718
We had always wanted
Michael J. Fox
2662
02:34:28,759 --> 02:34:33,347
to play Marty McFly, but we couldn't
get him out of Family Ties TV series.
2663
02:34:33,973 --> 02:34:36,601
We cast Eric Stoltz, particularly
2664
02:34:36,642 --> 02:34:39,729
at the urging of Sid Sheinberg,
2665
02:34:39,770 --> 02:34:43,816
president of MCA.
Sheinberg actually said, "I am so sure
2666
02:34:44,149 --> 02:34:47,319
"that Eric Stoltz is going to be great in this
that if he's not,
2667
02:34:47,736 --> 02:34:50,364
"you know, you start the movie
all over again with somebody else."
2668
02:34:50,906 --> 02:34:53,951
Now, he never expected
us to take him up on that.
2669
02:34:55,202 --> 02:34:59,456
Eric didn't have the natural sense of humor
that Michael J. Fox had.
2670
02:34:59,999 --> 02:35:03,168
He kind of played it less for laughs.
2671
02:35:04,628 --> 02:35:07,966
Bob Zemeckis gave Eric
the bad news on Thursday night
2672
02:35:08,007 --> 02:35:12,886
and the following Monday or Tuesday night,
we were back at Twin Pines Mall.
2673
02:35:13,012 --> 02:35:15,412
It was the first time
Michael J. Fox came to work.
2674
02:35:15,473 --> 02:35:21,420
Once he started performing,
everybody could see this is Marty McFly.
2675
02:35:21,461 --> 02:35:23,461
Are you telling me that
you built a time machine
2676
02:35:24,285 --> 02:35:26,268
out of a DeLorean?
2677
02:35:26,309 --> 02:35:28,236
The way I see it...
2678
02:35:28,277 --> 02:35:31,071
With the costars,
he brought things out in them,
2679
02:35:31,280 --> 02:35:33,598
and so Christopher Lloyd was better.
2680
02:35:33,639 --> 02:35:35,639
I finally invented
something that works!
2681
02:35:36,785 --> 02:35:39,496
Lea Thompson was way better.
2682
02:35:40,320 --> 02:35:42,303
Oh my God, he's a dream.
2683
02:35:42,344 --> 02:35:44,827
Wait a minute, Doc, are you trying
to tell me that my mother
2684
02:35:44,868 --> 02:35:46,868
- has got the hots for me?
- Precisely!
2685
02:35:47,296 --> 02:35:50,799
The scene with Marty
and Lorraine in the car
2686
02:35:51,050 --> 02:35:55,471
that was always a
really critical scene
2687
02:35:55,804 --> 02:35:57,549
to be able to pull that off.
2688
02:35:57,815 --> 02:35:59,051
Don't worry.
2689
02:35:59,892 --> 02:36:02,478
If this was going to work,
Lorraine had to break it off.
2690
02:36:02,936 --> 02:36:04,439
We wrote this line,
2691
02:36:04,480 --> 02:36:06,423
"I feel like I'm kissing..."
2692
02:36:06,464 --> 02:36:07,734
...my brother.
2693
02:36:07,775 --> 02:36:09,235
The look on
Michael J. Fox's
2694
02:36:09,276 --> 02:36:12,196
face when she pulls away
2695
02:36:12,237 --> 02:36:14,948
after she makes the move,
is priceless.
2696
02:36:15,657 --> 02:36:18,869
It gives us permission to make that work.
2697
02:36:19,078 --> 02:36:21,205
Would it have worked like that with Eric?
2698
02:36:21,246 --> 02:36:24,083
I don't think it had a chance
of working like that.
2699
02:36:25,292 --> 02:36:28,463
This is why actors get the
kind of salaries that they get,
2700
02:36:28,504 --> 02:36:31,548
because when they're
that good, it's worth it.
2701
02:36:34,802 --> 02:36:36,122
This one tells you where you're going.
2702
02:36:36,178 --> 02:36:38,765
This one tells you where you are.
This one tells you where you were.
2703
02:36:38,806 --> 02:36:42,226
There are basically two different kinds
of time travel in science fiction.
2704
02:36:42,559 --> 02:36:45,963
There's the ones where you can change
the past, and there's ones where you can't.
2705
02:36:47,198 --> 02:36:48,853
Science fiction theater.
2706
02:36:49,066 --> 02:36:52,945
The third kind of time travel is what
I call the Back to the Future mechanic.
2707
02:36:52,986 --> 02:36:55,406
The picture in Back to the Future
is the quintessential example of that.
2708
02:36:55,614 --> 02:36:59,059
They establish that as this is the way
things work and they stick to that.
2709
02:36:59,100 --> 02:37:01,083
It's like it has been erased.
2710
02:37:01,124 --> 02:37:03,424
Erased. From existence.
2711
02:37:04,873 --> 02:37:08,419
That's the first rule of science fiction, you
establish some rules, you stick to those rules.
2712
02:37:08,460 --> 02:37:10,304
It helps, of course,
obviously, that it's a comedy.
2713
02:37:10,504 --> 02:37:13,758
We are sending you back to the future!
2714
02:37:13,924 --> 02:37:15,968
One of the questions ILM had for us
2715
02:37:16,009 --> 02:37:18,595
is what is it going to look
like to the time traveler?
2716
02:37:19,054 --> 02:37:22,057
And they were suggesting
all kinds of elaborate effects.
2717
02:37:22,307 --> 02:37:26,186
But at the end of the day, Bob and I said
"Time travel should be instantaneous,
2718
02:37:26,311 --> 02:37:29,857
"so let's just get on with it."
2719
02:37:34,445 --> 02:37:37,615
Going back to our belief
that what we were telling here
2720
02:37:37,656 --> 02:37:41,743
really was a human story,
it was not a story about technology.
2721
02:37:43,412 --> 02:37:46,958
People say to me,
"Why do you think Back to the Future
2722
02:37:46,999 --> 02:37:50,211
"is still as compelling and popular today
2723
02:37:50,252 --> 02:37:52,821
"as it was back in the day?"
2724
02:37:52,862 --> 02:37:54,845
Hello? Hello?
Anybody home?
2725
02:37:54,886 --> 02:37:56,886
- Think, McFly!
- Think.
2726
02:37:56,967 --> 02:37:58,260
It's all about the characters.
2727
02:37:59,595 --> 02:38:04,057
These are all really
powerful human elements.
2728
02:38:04,308 --> 02:38:07,294
And that is what the movie is about.
2729
02:38:07,335 --> 02:38:11,335
Roads? Where we're going
we don't need roads.
2730
02:38:19,959 --> 02:38:22,959
From the producers of Jaws,
and the director of Splash,
2731
02:38:23,183 --> 02:38:26,183
Cocoon.
2732
02:38:26,330 --> 02:38:29,525
One of the things I think
was very evident in the '80s,
2733
02:38:29,625 --> 02:38:31,878
we saw a lot of young heroes,
2734
02:38:31,919 --> 02:38:35,422
we saw a lot of youth
in this physical prowess.
2735
02:38:36,632 --> 02:38:39,510
What Cocoon did, in a
very interesting way
2736
02:38:39,927 --> 02:38:43,306
call into this social standard of
2737
02:38:43,347 --> 02:38:48,519
what old means. A movie like
Batteries Not Included really wouldn't exist
2738
02:38:48,560 --> 02:38:53,565
without the proof of concept
that Cocoon was able to supply
2739
02:38:53,607 --> 02:38:55,509
to the industry.
2740
02:38:55,550 --> 02:38:57,069
Everything's happening so fast...
2741
02:38:57,110 --> 02:38:58,154
I absolutely love
2742
02:38:58,195 --> 02:39:01,491
Cocoon, beautiful Ron Howard film.
2743
02:39:01,532 --> 02:39:05,703
It's a science fiction film about aliens,
but not really.
2744
02:39:05,744 --> 02:39:08,497
Cocoon is about aging, it's about life.
2745
02:39:08,705 --> 02:39:11,625
Don Ameche, Jessica Tandy,
Hume Cronyn, were these
2746
02:39:12,251 --> 02:39:14,486
aging actors.
2747
02:39:14,527 --> 02:39:17,110
Will you still love me when
I can't keep up with you?
2748
02:39:17,151 --> 02:39:19,351
Of course. I love you now,
and you can't keep up with me.
2749
02:39:19,424 --> 02:39:22,511
Wilford Brimley, who played
one of the older gentlemen in the movie,
2750
02:39:22,636 --> 02:39:26,306
was only 50 years old
during the making of that film.
2751
02:39:28,459 --> 02:39:31,704
They're in this old folks home and doing
what they're doing, every now and again,
2752
02:39:31,745 --> 02:39:34,915
they would go to the swimming pool
and just fool around and have some fun.
2753
02:39:36,900 --> 02:39:39,445
What they don't realize
is that at the bottom of the pool
2754
02:39:39,486 --> 02:39:41,972
are these cocoons.
2755
02:39:42,013 --> 02:39:44,013
What are rocks
doing in a pool?
2756
02:39:44,324 --> 02:39:46,994
These older folks
start to feel rejuvenated.
2757
02:39:47,077 --> 02:39:49,079
They can do things
they couldn't do before.
2758
02:39:49,503 --> 02:39:51,886
You think there's cocaine
in that pool?
2759
02:39:51,927 --> 02:39:53,376
Might be.
2760
02:39:53,417 --> 02:39:55,711
They would do their favorite things,
they would go dancing,
2761
02:39:55,752 --> 02:39:58,814
they would go try to
fix the thing they regretted.
2762
02:39:58,964 --> 02:40:01,438
Some enchanted evening.
2763
02:40:02,009 --> 02:40:03,094
Brian Dennehy
2764
02:40:03,135 --> 02:40:08,182
peels back his body suit and reveals
these sort of really magical aliens,
2765
02:40:08,223 --> 02:40:10,809
these sort of glowing beams
that float through the skies.
2766
02:40:14,396 --> 02:40:17,065
These older folks were
offered the opportunity
2767
02:40:17,566 --> 02:40:20,218
to leave Earth with these
aliens and live forever.
2768
02:40:20,259 --> 02:40:22,242
Forever?
2769
02:40:22,283 --> 02:40:24,283
We don't know
what forever means.
2770
02:40:24,906 --> 02:40:29,411
The question in Cocoon becomes,
"Is this cheating human mortality?"
2771
02:40:29,453 --> 02:40:31,581
Is our clock supposed to run out?
2772
02:40:31,622 --> 02:40:33,457
It's a deeply, deeply moving film.
2773
02:40:35,281 --> 02:40:37,481
Can you help me?
2774
02:40:37,544 --> 02:40:39,213
I adored Cocoon.
2775
02:40:39,254 --> 02:40:44,718
Ron Howard is able to get to
the heart of the man's struggle
2776
02:40:44,760 --> 02:40:48,347
or the woman's struggle
and be able to overcome it.
2777
02:40:49,973 --> 02:40:53,226
one of the things I love about Ron Howard
is that he is a true storyteller.
2778
02:40:53,685 --> 02:40:57,731
If it's a comedy or a drama
or it's in the future,
2779
02:40:57,898 --> 02:41:01,259
or if it's in the past, or if it's
right here in this very moment.
2780
02:41:01,300 --> 02:41:04,800
The way nature's been treating us,
I don't mind cheating her a little.
2781
02:41:07,115 --> 02:41:11,177
I feel like Ron Howard cares
about how the audience feels
2782
02:41:11,578 --> 02:41:13,580
at the end of the movie.
2783
02:41:23,965 --> 02:41:26,176
We all went to see Mad Max
Beyond Thunderdome.
2784
02:41:26,218 --> 02:41:27,303
Huge movie.
2785
02:41:27,344 --> 02:41:32,016
Tina Turner, biggest pop star in the world
at the time, had a hit song on the radio,
2786
02:41:32,057 --> 02:41:34,351
We Don't Need Another Hero.
2787
02:41:38,563 --> 02:41:40,107
Thunderdome.
2788
02:41:40,148 --> 02:41:40,891
Sorry.
2789
02:41:41,191 --> 02:41:43,318
I remember the Rolling Stone cover, too,
2790
02:41:43,819 --> 02:41:47,823
with Mel Gibson and Tina Turner,
and you just went, oh man, this is big.
2791
02:41:49,347 --> 02:41:51,330
Mad Max
2792
02:41:51,371 --> 02:41:53,371
Beyond Thunderdome.
2793
02:41:53,912 --> 02:41:56,123
The post-apocalyptic sub-genre.
2794
02:41:56,289 --> 02:41:59,818
It just allowed the filmmakers
imagination to run wild.
2795
02:42:05,257 --> 02:42:07,926
You can feel the ruin of the past
2796
02:42:08,051 --> 02:42:10,762
as they were just trying
to hold on to civilization again.
2797
02:42:11,054 --> 02:42:12,682
And that's what makes it powerful.
2798
02:42:12,723 --> 02:42:14,891
How do we keep living?
2799
02:42:15,183 --> 02:42:18,478
And how does civilization grow again?
2800
02:42:18,937 --> 02:42:20,856
With The Road Warrior, you're focused
2801
02:42:20,897 --> 02:42:25,235
on gas and misery
and just living day to day.
2802
02:42:25,444 --> 02:42:29,824
The idea develops into
trying to create a new resource
2803
02:42:29,865 --> 02:42:33,244
using methane, to move
toward a new future
2804
02:42:33,285 --> 02:42:35,979
that can be sustainable.
2805
02:42:36,020 --> 02:42:38,003
I don't know anything about methane.
2806
02:42:38,044 --> 02:42:39,333
You can shovel shit, can't you?
2807
02:42:39,374 --> 02:42:41,668
Tina Turner was just so big on screen,
2808
02:42:42,043 --> 02:42:46,047
being a woman of color and just sort of
running that whole situation.
2809
02:42:47,174 --> 02:42:49,885
The Master Blaster,
you know, their competition
2810
02:42:49,926 --> 02:42:51,520
between each other.
2811
02:42:51,561 --> 02:42:53,544
Who run Bartertown?
2812
02:42:53,585 --> 02:42:55,585
Master Blaster runs Bartertown.
2813
02:42:58,602 --> 02:43:00,146
She tries to force Max
2814
02:43:00,187 --> 02:43:04,299
to do her bidding by killing the Blaster
of the Master Blaster team.
2815
02:43:04,340 --> 02:43:06,323
This is Thunderdome.
2816
02:43:06,364 --> 02:43:08,347
Death is listening,
2817
02:43:08,388 --> 02:43:11,488
and will take the
first man that screams.
2818
02:43:11,823 --> 02:43:16,486
We have this big, extravagant,
perfectly insane fight on bungee
2819
02:43:16,578 --> 02:43:20,415
cords inside this Thunderdome.
2820
02:43:20,957 --> 02:43:23,877
They had that really menacing
character that he's got to fight.
2821
02:43:23,919 --> 02:43:27,380
And it's this big dude, you think he's
just going to mop the floor with him.
2822
02:43:29,466 --> 02:43:32,136
But then the other thing that was
sort of shocking, was when they took
2823
02:43:32,177 --> 02:43:35,388
the helmet off, you've just
sort of felt for the character.
2824
02:43:40,393 --> 02:43:43,898
You saw that he was this
person who was an adult
2825
02:43:43,939 --> 02:43:47,567
that was a child, instantly,
that scene changed for everybody.
2826
02:43:47,776 --> 02:43:50,821
I think that was a magic moment.
2827
02:43:50,862 --> 02:43:53,484
There are two movies in
Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome.
2828
02:43:53,825 --> 02:43:54,825
There's the first movie,
2829
02:43:54,866 --> 02:43:59,454
which has our hero wandering into part of town
after his rig is stolen from him.
2830
02:43:59,788 --> 02:44:02,874
Then there's this other movie
after he gets kicked out.
2831
02:44:04,876 --> 02:44:07,588
He stumbles across these
sort of like lost children
2832
02:44:07,629 --> 02:44:11,175
in the middle of the desert,
who are apparently the leftover refugees
2833
02:44:11,216 --> 02:44:14,511
from an airliner crash from years
and years and years ago.
2834
02:44:15,220 --> 02:44:18,140
That was too disjointed with the
fact it was two stories,
2835
02:44:18,181 --> 02:44:21,727
whereas with Road Warrior
and even with Mad Max the original,
2836
02:44:21,768 --> 02:44:25,480
there was a direct correlation
from A to Z.
2837
02:44:25,814 --> 02:44:26,848
There's...
2838
02:44:27,315 --> 02:44:30,026
A unique challenge in doing sequels.
2839
02:44:30,068 --> 02:44:34,197
There's an audience you're beholden to
and you want to honor that.
2840
02:44:34,531 --> 02:44:38,801
And yet we all feel compelled
to express ourselves uniquely.
2841
02:44:38,842 --> 02:44:40,825
Civilization.
2842
02:44:40,866 --> 02:44:42,866
I'll do anything
to protect it.
2843
02:44:43,498 --> 02:44:47,694
We continue this theme
of resource scarcity.
2844
02:44:47,735 --> 02:44:50,735
Don't you understand? This is water.
You can't live without it.
2845
02:44:51,006 --> 02:44:52,508
Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome
2846
02:44:52,549 --> 02:44:56,720
really focuses the futuristic
forecasts and the warning
2847
02:44:56,970 --> 02:44:59,849
that if we don't change,
if we don't alter the way we think
2848
02:44:59,890 --> 02:45:04,436
about how we share resources,
that we'll end up fighting
2849
02:45:04,477 --> 02:45:09,299
over these resources in the future
on a planet that could be a desert.
2850
02:45:09,340 --> 02:45:12,840
This is a stickup! Anybody moves,
and they're dead meat!
2851
02:45:20,827 --> 02:45:24,313
Everybody was terrified that
Explorers was going to
2852
02:45:24,539 --> 02:45:29,419
was going to be such a big hit that nobody
would think about Back to the Future.
2853
02:45:32,143 --> 02:45:36,143
The adventure begins
in your own backyard.
2854
02:45:37,135 --> 02:45:40,431
It was supposed to be a Wolfgang Petersen
movie for Paramount, and they decided
2855
02:45:40,472 --> 02:45:42,933
they didn't want to make it in Bavaria,
which is what he wanted to do,
2856
02:45:42,974 --> 02:45:47,103
and so they sort of kicked Wolfgang
off the picture and sent me the script.
2857
02:45:49,105 --> 02:45:52,067
I thought it was a terrific script
and really fascinating, particularly
2858
02:45:52,108 --> 02:45:54,569
I'd just come off of Gremlins
and it was very grueling and
2859
02:45:55,195 --> 02:45:58,157
time consuming and difficult,
and here was a movie about three kids
2860
02:45:58,198 --> 02:46:00,993
who built a spaceship and I thought,
this is just like Huey, Dewey, and Louie.
2861
02:46:01,034 --> 02:46:01,911
This is like,
2862
02:46:01,952 --> 02:46:06,122
you know, this would be so much fun to do
after this arduous special effects movie.
2863
02:46:06,498 --> 02:46:08,417
Well, not realizing, of course,
that it was...
2864
02:46:08,458 --> 02:46:11,962
Not only was this an arduous
special effects movie, but had children
2865
02:46:12,003 --> 02:46:14,464
in it which can only work
certain hours of the day
2866
02:46:15,006 --> 02:46:16,800
and which also didn't have a third act.
2867
02:46:21,114 --> 02:46:23,098
It's pretty neat, huh?
2868
02:46:23,139 --> 02:46:26,018
Nonetheless, I made the movie,
but then in the middle of making it,
2869
02:46:26,059 --> 02:46:27,436
the studio changed hands
2870
02:46:27,477 --> 02:46:30,439
and the new people decided they
wanted to put it out on unfinished.
2871
02:46:30,480 --> 02:46:32,858
So they said, "Stop working on it.
We're gonna put it out because
2872
02:46:32,899 --> 02:46:35,869
"it's last year's movie from the old regime
and we don't care if it makes money.
2873
02:46:35,910 --> 02:46:37,078
"Anyway, good bye."
2874
02:46:38,363 --> 02:46:40,449
I firmly believe there was a hell of a lot
2875
02:46:40,490 --> 02:46:44,286
better moving in there
than we were allowed to get out.
2876
02:46:44,327 --> 02:46:46,622
In the end, it didn't matter.
We could have released a blank film
2877
02:46:46,663 --> 02:46:48,331
and nobody would have noticed.
2878
02:46:51,167 --> 02:46:54,170
I've always had a knack of
finding kids that I could relate to
2879
02:46:54,462 --> 02:46:56,297
on a personal level.
2880
02:46:57,841 --> 02:47:00,260
If you cast your movie right,
you don't have to do a lot of directing.
2881
02:47:00,385 --> 02:47:01,553
And if you cast
your movie wrong,
2882
02:47:01,594 --> 02:47:03,596
you have to do a lot of directing
and a lot of editing.
2883
02:47:04,097 --> 02:47:06,433
But in this case, these kids
were perfect for the part.
2884
02:47:06,474 --> 02:47:07,810
Incredibly talented.
2885
02:47:07,851 --> 02:47:11,396
And this was Ethan's first movie,
he'd never been on the sound-stage before.
2886
02:47:16,220 --> 02:47:18,220
I can't stop thinking
about what's up there.
2887
02:47:18,445 --> 02:47:21,031
He picked it up so quickly
that some of the camera people said,
2888
02:47:21,072 --> 02:47:22,925
"Are you sure
this kid isn't a professional?"
2889
02:47:22,991 --> 02:47:24,225
And now he is.
2890
02:47:24,266 --> 02:47:26,249
Oh, my God.
2891
02:47:26,290 --> 02:47:27,705
There she is.
2892
02:47:27,746 --> 02:47:30,290
In the original script,
the kids go to another planet
2893
02:47:30,331 --> 02:47:33,543
and they find kids just like themselves
and they play baseball and they go home.
2894
02:47:34,252 --> 02:47:36,880
And I didn't think that was
enough for a feature film.
2895
02:47:37,380 --> 02:47:41,968
And so we reworked it so that the
aliens are indeed like our kids.
2896
02:47:42,052 --> 02:47:45,681
But they're even more like Earth kids
because they're a product
2897
02:47:45,722 --> 02:47:47,915
of listening to Earth broadcasts.
2898
02:47:47,956 --> 02:47:49,939
They get TV up here?
2899
02:47:49,980 --> 02:47:52,180
Just waves in space.
2900
02:47:52,312 --> 02:47:55,274
So they speak in catchphrases,
trying to communicate with the Earth kids
2901
02:47:55,315 --> 02:47:58,318
by using phrases that
they've heard on commercials,
2902
02:47:58,359 --> 02:47:59,343
on television.
2903
02:47:59,384 --> 02:48:01,684
- Me Ben.
- Me Tarzan.
2904
02:48:04,866 --> 02:48:07,935
This, it turned out,
was not an especially popular conceit.
2905
02:48:07,976 --> 02:48:09,976
We come in peace.
2906
02:48:10,955 --> 02:48:12,082
When Ethan Hawke
2907
02:48:12,123 --> 02:48:16,027
says that he's waited all his life
to speak to aliens and the aliens says,
2908
02:48:16,068 --> 02:48:18,068
Ehhhhhh, what's up doc?
2909
02:48:18,463 --> 02:48:19,798
He gets very confused.
2910
02:48:19,839 --> 02:48:24,553
The audience also got a little confused,
and because he became disappointed
2911
02:48:24,594 --> 02:48:27,639
in what had been promised
as a great big space adventure
2912
02:48:27,680 --> 02:48:29,349
that would give him
the secret of the universe.
2913
02:48:29,390 --> 02:48:31,736
I think they all felt the same way.
2914
02:48:31,852 --> 02:48:33,395
But it doesn't make
any sense.
2915
02:48:35,230 --> 02:48:36,773
That's the way they
think that we talk.
2916
02:48:36,906 --> 02:48:39,468
It didn't help the fact that it opened
on the day of the Live Aid concert
2917
02:48:39,568 --> 02:48:40,858
where nobody
went to the movies.
2918
02:48:40,902 --> 02:48:44,239
However, the miracle of home video
kind of resurrected it, and even though
2919
02:48:44,280 --> 02:48:46,783
it's only a shadow of the movie
I was intending to make,
2920
02:48:46,866 --> 02:48:49,786
it still has retained its
popularity over the years.
2921
02:48:51,810 --> 02:48:53,810
That was great!
2922
02:48:59,671 --> 02:49:00,798
What would you do
2923
02:49:00,839 --> 02:49:03,417
if you had everything you wanted?
2924
02:49:03,458 --> 02:49:05,141
Universal Pictures presents
2925
02:49:05,182 --> 02:49:06,865
a John Hughes film
2926
02:49:06,906 --> 02:49:08,166
Weird Science.
2927
02:49:08,207 --> 02:49:09,389
It's purely sexual.
2928
02:49:09,430 --> 02:49:12,351
Weird Science really resonated with
me because I was an awkward kid
2929
02:49:12,392 --> 02:49:15,728
who loved technology and just to think of,
2930
02:49:16,146 --> 02:49:19,190
I could suddenly become cool.
2931
02:49:19,482 --> 02:49:21,192
It was the teenage Frankenstein.
2932
02:49:25,071 --> 02:49:27,740
So they created this beautiful woman.
2933
02:49:34,831 --> 02:49:35,916
I think that was probably
2934
02:49:35,957 --> 02:49:38,568
every geek's dream.
2935
02:49:38,609 --> 02:49:41,505
What would you little maniacs
like to do first?
2936
02:49:41,546 --> 02:49:43,757
I think what he was best at,
2937
02:49:43,798 --> 02:49:48,595
John Hughes, is teenage angst and
being left out. His compassion for that.
2938
02:49:48,803 --> 02:49:51,222
It really resonated,
I think, to a lot of people.
2939
02:49:54,046 --> 02:49:56,546
Yo! Check this out!
2940
02:49:56,811 --> 02:49:58,063
Teenage life,
2941
02:49:58,104 --> 02:50:01,507
thank God I'm not there anymore.
Oh, God.
2942
02:50:01,548 --> 02:50:04,031
You made me.
2943
02:50:04,072 --> 02:50:06,072
You control me.
2944
02:50:06,654 --> 02:50:07,698
Kelly LeBrock.
2945
02:50:07,739 --> 02:50:11,367
She had a sense of humor and a sexuality
2946
02:50:11,784 --> 02:50:14,770
and a confidence and a personality.
2947
02:50:14,811 --> 02:50:16,811
I can be a real serious bitch.
2948
02:50:17,207 --> 02:50:19,959
It was elevated,
her portrayal of the character.
2949
02:50:20,168 --> 02:50:23,087
And it made everything come together
2950
02:50:23,588 --> 02:50:25,865
the way it was supposed to.
2951
02:50:25,906 --> 02:50:27,906
You guys have better
loosen up.
2952
02:50:32,055 --> 02:50:32,931
one of the themes is
2953
02:50:32,972 --> 02:50:35,892
be careful what you wish for.
2954
02:50:39,687 --> 02:50:43,192
Using all of our technology
to do something wrong
2955
02:50:43,233 --> 02:50:46,612
and then not being able to control it,
then having the consequences,
2956
02:50:46,653 --> 02:50:47,803
which is me.
2957
02:50:47,844 --> 02:50:50,644
Tossed off to any good
books lately, have we?
2958
02:50:51,574 --> 02:50:54,544
Warner Brothers were going to sue
their ass off if I looked like Wez.
2959
02:50:55,078 --> 02:50:56,830
And yet they got me to look as close
2960
02:50:56,871 --> 02:50:59,082
like Wez
as is humanly possible.
2961
02:51:03,586 --> 02:51:07,215
I walked around that set
when I came onto it at Universal,
2962
02:51:07,465 --> 02:51:09,968
like a two story house
that could be pulled
2963
02:51:10,009 --> 02:51:13,179
into two halves to film
in a real two story house.
2964
02:51:13,763 --> 02:51:17,017
And when they needed to have
a rocket to go through it,
2965
02:51:17,058 --> 02:51:20,228
they actually had a rocket.
2966
02:51:22,355 --> 02:51:24,816
This actual shell of a rocket
2967
02:51:25,108 --> 02:51:28,611
was built under stage 26 at Universal
2968
02:51:28,695 --> 02:51:31,657
to come up hydraulically and pierce
2969
02:51:31,698 --> 02:51:35,118
the actual floor of the set of the house.
2970
02:51:35,785 --> 02:51:37,829
And it was a one time shot.
2971
02:51:37,870 --> 02:51:42,083
What a big deal this scene,
right when John calls action
2972
02:51:42,458 --> 02:51:46,045
Anthony Michael Hall farts
a silent but deadly.
2973
02:51:47,547 --> 02:51:49,299
It had to be a several hundred thousand
2974
02:51:49,340 --> 02:51:53,136
dollar moment that got ruined by a fart.
2975
02:51:53,803 --> 02:51:54,887
That's not cool, man.
2976
02:51:56,514 --> 02:52:00,769
If you watch the movie real closely,
we did this scene again
2977
02:52:00,810 --> 02:52:06,525
and they lowered the rocket and
we had to do all of our action backwards
2978
02:52:06,566 --> 02:52:10,153
and then they ran
it backwards for the final cut.
2979
02:52:17,618 --> 02:52:19,538
It was massive anarchy
2980
02:52:19,579 --> 02:52:23,958
at the end of that movie, that movie truly
is almost like the Cat in the Hat.
2981
02:52:24,083 --> 02:52:27,628
She is the the Cat in the Hat.
2982
02:52:30,465 --> 02:52:34,426
Oh, my god, Weird Science forever to me
is now going to be Dr. Seuss.
2983
02:52:34,467 --> 02:52:36,950
When are you gonna learn
people like you for what you are,
2984
02:52:36,991 --> 02:52:38,991
not for what you can give them.
2985
02:52:39,724 --> 02:52:42,143
The ultimate theme of Weird Science was
2986
02:52:42,268 --> 02:52:44,837
be yourself and you'll still get the girl.
2987
02:52:44,878 --> 02:52:46,878
I love you!
2988
02:52:47,857 --> 02:52:49,443
It may not be that girl,
2989
02:52:49,484 --> 02:52:51,469
but you'll still get the girl.
2990
02:52:51,510 --> 02:52:54,110
Drop and give me 20.
2991
02:53:04,707 --> 02:53:07,336
I was really excited by the Space
Shuttle program as a kid
2992
02:53:07,377 --> 02:53:09,653
because it was putting
people back in space.
2993
02:53:09,694 --> 02:53:11,423
The first space shuttle.
2994
02:53:11,464 --> 02:53:13,841
That hadn't happened
in my lifetime to that point.
2995
02:53:15,676 --> 02:53:20,038
The space shuttle was amazing
because of what promise it held,
2996
02:53:20,348 --> 02:53:23,643
which was we were going to be able to do
this much more often, much more cheaply.
2997
02:53:25,186 --> 02:53:28,481
The fact that they named
the very first Space Shuttle Enterprise
2998
02:53:28,940 --> 02:53:32,235
was really cool and made me feel seen
because I was a Star Trek
2999
02:53:32,276 --> 02:53:36,073
nerd and I was like, wow, they named
real science after a TV show that I like.
3000
02:53:36,114 --> 02:53:38,325
That's really cool.
3001
02:53:38,366 --> 02:53:41,077
The vehicle came around
the corner of the building,
3002
02:53:41,619 --> 02:53:44,330
and in tow was the shuttle craft,
3003
02:53:45,498 --> 02:53:47,625
and across the nose of the shuttle craft
3004
02:53:49,293 --> 02:53:52,672
were the words The Enterprise.
3005
02:53:52,713 --> 02:53:53,590
Knocked me out.
3006
02:53:53,631 --> 02:53:59,011
My perspective just totally changed,
and I said, "We are genuinely
3007
02:53:59,137 --> 02:54:02,598
"in some small way, a part of history."
3008
02:54:03,724 --> 02:54:07,478
Suddenly, the highest form
of technology in the space program
3009
02:54:07,687 --> 02:54:11,190
became something extremely familiar
to everyday people.
3010
02:54:11,524 --> 02:54:12,943
We're not just
in the audience anymore.
3011
02:54:12,984 --> 02:54:16,612
Now we can become a part of the adventure
when it's a space shuttle.
3012
02:54:16,904 --> 02:54:21,033
You start to see these films
like Lifeforce and Hangar 18,
3013
02:54:21,075 --> 02:54:25,413
and Airplane II, SpaceCamp, that have at
the center of them, the Space Shuttle.
3014
02:54:25,837 --> 02:54:27,837
Go for main engine test.
3015
02:54:30,751 --> 02:54:34,839
It was this great bridge
between our reality
3016
02:54:35,131 --> 02:54:37,842
and the fantastic imagined world
3017
02:54:37,884 --> 02:54:41,345
of the future.
3018
02:54:44,515 --> 02:54:48,145
It was almost to the point where soon
we're going to be able to get a ticket,
3019
02:54:48,186 --> 02:54:51,147
you know, and take a
flight around the Earth.
3020
02:54:53,399 --> 02:54:56,278
I was pretty close with Steven Spielberg,
and we would both
3021
02:54:56,319 --> 02:54:59,281
talk about wanting to go and wanting to go,
because they were talking about
3022
02:54:59,322 --> 02:55:02,641
taking an artist, taking
a filmmaker, taking a poet.
3023
02:55:02,682 --> 02:55:06,682
I'd like to go out and be behind
the camera, photographing up there.
3024
02:55:08,998 --> 02:55:10,333
Everyone just assumed
3025
02:55:10,374 --> 02:55:14,361
that space travel was so safe, you know?
3026
02:55:14,402 --> 02:55:16,402
three, two, one...
And liftoff!
3027
02:55:18,966 --> 02:55:21,177
I was shooting a TV movie.
3028
02:55:21,594 --> 02:55:24,222
We all gathered around a television screen
3029
02:55:24,263 --> 02:55:27,517
to watch this spectacular event
because we also knew
3030
02:55:27,558 --> 02:55:30,645
that there were civilians aboard,
so it made it extra special.
3031
02:55:32,063 --> 02:55:36,651
I was in New York, editing a video
production, we were interrupted.
3032
02:55:36,692 --> 02:55:38,069
Someone came in and said,
3033
02:55:40,446 --> 02:55:44,025
"The Challenger has just exploded."
3034
02:55:44,066 --> 02:55:46,566
- Challenger, go at throttle up.
- Challenger, go at throttle up.
3035
02:55:50,748 --> 02:55:53,609
And it just like stuck
a knife in my heart.
3036
02:55:53,650 --> 02:55:56,233
2,900 feet per second,
altitude nine nautical miles,
3037
02:55:56,296 --> 02:55:58,548
downrange distance
seven nautical miles.
3038
02:55:59,632 --> 02:56:02,427
We were all standing there
just in shell shock.
3039
02:56:02,468 --> 02:56:05,304
It was something...
It was unthinkable.
3040
02:56:06,097 --> 02:56:08,140
Absolutely devastating
in every possible way.
3041
02:56:08,224 --> 02:56:11,018
The first teacher in the teachers
and space program
3042
02:56:11,143 --> 02:56:14,064
was killed, and one of the first
African-American astronauts
3043
02:56:14,105 --> 02:56:16,357
was killed on the Challenger explosion.
3044
02:56:17,733 --> 02:56:22,197
That shot of Christa McAuliffe's parents
on the beach looking up at that twisted
3045
02:56:22,238 --> 02:56:25,575
contrail, knowing something's wrong
and not knowing quite what it was.
3046
02:56:27,201 --> 02:56:29,371
That image is seared into the minds
3047
02:56:29,412 --> 02:56:32,666
of a lot of people who saw that.
3048
02:56:32,707 --> 02:56:35,293
Today is a day for mourning
and remembering.
3049
02:56:35,543 --> 02:56:38,588
They had a hunger to explore
the universe and discover its truths.
3050
02:56:39,005 --> 02:56:40,590
They served all of us.
3051
02:56:40,631 --> 02:56:44,051
They, the members of the
Challenger crew, were pioneers.
3052
02:56:45,761 --> 02:56:47,180
I think it was our first taste
3053
02:56:47,221 --> 02:56:50,766
of the genuine danger of it.
3054
02:56:53,394 --> 02:56:56,273
I just remember being so afraid
3055
02:56:56,314 --> 02:56:59,900
that this was going to be
the end of human space flight.
3056
02:57:00,359 --> 02:57:02,612
They wouldn't have sent a
teacher up, for God's sakes,
3057
02:57:03,029 --> 02:57:06,283
you know, if they knew that there was some
3058
02:57:06,324 --> 02:57:10,269
any chance at all of it being tragic.
3059
02:57:10,310 --> 02:57:11,293
Karen Allen,
3060
02:57:11,334 --> 02:57:12,317
Barry Bostwick.
3061
02:57:12,358 --> 02:57:14,018
- You’re a wonderful crew.
- Fine, that’s great!
3062
02:57:14,059 --> 02:57:15,041
Challenger.
3063
02:57:15,082 --> 02:57:17,002
We just wanted to honor the memories
3064
02:57:17,043 --> 02:57:21,130
and the talent and the heroism
of those original astronauts.
3065
02:57:21,505 --> 02:57:23,758
It was not only
3066
02:57:23,799 --> 02:57:26,886
the people who were lost, who were killed,
3067
02:57:27,595 --> 02:57:30,514
but it was the program
itself had been damaged.
3068
02:57:31,682 --> 02:57:35,436
The human race's forward movement toward
3069
02:57:35,978 --> 02:57:38,440
a future in space
3070
02:57:38,481 --> 02:57:41,525
beyond this planet,
something I had cheered for
3071
02:57:41,942 --> 02:57:45,571
since the time I was a kid.
3072
02:57:45,613 --> 02:57:48,116
The dedication of Star Trek IV
3073
02:57:48,157 --> 02:57:52,662
to the crew of the Challenger
was a way of acknowledging
3074
02:57:53,412 --> 02:57:57,083
that there is a question
and a price to be paid
3075
02:57:58,417 --> 02:58:00,837
for going boldly
3076
02:58:00,878 --> 02:58:04,632
where people haven't gone before.
3077
02:58:10,846 --> 02:58:13,767
When the lights dimmed in the theater
and the dedication came on,
3078
02:58:13,808 --> 02:58:17,853
you could hear a pin drop for a
moment and then applause.
3079
02:58:18,979 --> 02:58:21,900
Science fiction fans,
they're much more focused
3080
02:58:21,941 --> 02:58:25,778
on the possibilities than the dangers
3081
02:58:26,320 --> 02:58:29,657
that every mission is life and death.
3082
02:58:30,783 --> 02:58:32,786
And the Challenger disaster
3083
02:58:32,827 --> 02:58:36,831
was as if someone dear to me
in my life had died.
3084
02:58:36,997 --> 02:58:39,250
I said, "We've got to come back from this.
3085
02:58:40,292 --> 02:58:42,629
"It will not be easy,
3086
02:58:42,670 --> 02:58:46,132
"but we've got to come back
and we've got to keep going forward."
3087
02:58:47,133 --> 02:58:49,593
And thank goodness, that's what we did.
3088
02:59:05,025 --> 02:59:09,113
John Badham is among the
last of the utilitarian directors.
3089
02:59:09,488 --> 02:59:13,118
He could just direct anything: action,
comedy, light comedy, romance, you name it
3090
02:59:13,159 --> 02:59:15,411
John Badham could do it.
Short Circuit,
3091
02:59:15,745 --> 02:59:17,563
it proved this as much as anything else.
3092
02:59:17,604 --> 02:59:19,387
Short Circuit.
3093
02:59:19,428 --> 02:59:20,817
I am alive.
3094
02:59:20,941 --> 02:59:21,901
It's part E.T,
3095
02:59:21,960 --> 02:59:24,528
only instead of it being an alien,
it's a robot.
3096
02:59:24,569 --> 02:59:26,569
Welcome to my planet!
3097
02:59:27,298 --> 02:59:28,800
And you got Steve Guttenberg
3098
02:59:28,841 --> 02:59:32,845
and Ally Sheedy, and the guy who
was supposed to be an Indian-American,
3099
02:59:33,137 --> 02:59:36,081
but is actually being played
by Fisher Stevens.
3100
02:59:36,122 --> 02:59:38,505
It's only being wires and
several mechanisms and other
3101
02:59:38,546 --> 02:59:41,404
such machine-type apparatus,
for the Pete of sake.
3102
02:59:41,520 --> 02:59:44,399
Today, I'm not sure you could
get away with that.
3103
02:59:44,507 --> 02:59:45,900
Where are you from,
anyway?
3104
02:59:46,009 --> 02:59:47,613
Bakersfield originally.
3105
02:59:47,735 --> 02:59:51,422
- No, I mean your ancestors.
- Oh, them. Pittsburgh.
3106
02:59:51,489 --> 02:59:53,575
Ally Sheedy, as a young girl,
3107
02:59:53,616 --> 02:59:56,101
I looked up to, I loved and adored.
3108
02:59:56,142 --> 02:59:58,125
Malfunction.
3109
02:59:58,166 --> 02:59:59,247
Oh, you can talk!
3110
02:59:59,288 --> 03:00:02,599
Short Circuit is a caretaker
friendship bond.
3111
03:00:02,674 --> 03:00:07,964
This concept of this robot
finding his humanity.
3112
03:00:08,005 --> 03:00:10,341
I need information.
I must learn everything.
3113
03:00:10,382 --> 03:00:12,201
I am alive.
3114
03:00:12,242 --> 03:00:14,242
Holy crow you can read!
3115
03:00:15,721 --> 03:00:17,891
And he has this quirky,
3116
03:00:17,932 --> 03:00:22,645
outgoing, weird personality, much like me,
that was based on all of the movies
3117
03:00:22,686 --> 03:00:25,297
and pop culture that he had picked up.
3118
03:00:25,338 --> 03:00:27,821
Disguise! Camouflage!
3119
03:00:27,862 --> 03:00:29,862
- Hi!
- Number 5!
3120
03:00:29,944 --> 03:00:31,154
There's a sense of joy
3121
03:00:31,195 --> 03:00:34,990
to that movie and a sense of life
and a sense of adventure.
3122
03:00:35,616 --> 03:00:39,495
He's built as a military weapon of war
that can destroy things with like
3123
03:00:39,620 --> 03:00:40,913
a single laser bolt.
3124
03:00:43,374 --> 03:00:46,002
Hello, bozos!
3125
03:00:46,710 --> 03:00:47,950
But as a kid,
you don't see that.
3126
03:00:48,004 --> 03:00:50,164
You don't think about that,
you're just like, he's alive.
3127
03:00:52,800 --> 03:00:53,927
Johnny 5.
3128
03:00:53,968 --> 03:00:57,931
He's just like, "No, I'm going to
smell flowers and hang out
3129
03:00:57,972 --> 03:01:02,268
"and dance or make friends or whatever",
which was really neat premise.
3130
03:01:02,518 --> 03:01:05,647
one of my favorite moments in that movie
is when he accidentally steps
3131
03:01:05,688 --> 03:01:06,822
on a grasshopper.
3132
03:01:06,863 --> 03:01:08,491
- Look what you did!
- Error.
3133
03:01:08,732 --> 03:01:10,901
And he has this moment where he realizes
3134
03:01:11,443 --> 03:01:13,136
that he's mortal.
3135
03:01:13,177 --> 03:01:15,160
Disassemble.
3136
03:01:15,201 --> 03:01:17,184
Dead.
3137
03:01:17,225 --> 03:01:19,208
Disassemble!
3138
03:01:19,249 --> 03:01:20,203
Dead!
3139
03:01:20,244 --> 03:01:23,814
Being aware of your own mortality
is one of the deepest, most profoundly
3140
03:01:23,873 --> 03:01:27,901
human things, and that drives us
and that makes us what we are.
3141
03:01:27,942 --> 03:01:31,442
Of course I know it's wrong to kill,
but who told you?
3142
03:01:31,766 --> 03:01:34,766
I told me.
3143
03:01:34,842 --> 03:01:36,886
What Short Circuit does
really, really well
3144
03:01:36,927 --> 03:01:39,013
it makes you feel for this metal.
3145
03:01:39,471 --> 03:01:41,582
It's got some, you know,
wonky little eyebrows or whatever,
3146
03:01:41,682 --> 03:01:43,560
and he's cute in his own sort of way,
3147
03:01:43,643 --> 03:01:45,061
but he's metal, right?
3148
03:01:45,102 --> 03:01:48,564
And yet by the end of that movie,
you're like, "No, Johnny 5 is alive.
3149
03:01:48,981 --> 03:01:50,215
"You can't disassemble him."
3150
03:01:50,256 --> 03:01:52,239
Don't shoot!
3151
03:01:52,280 --> 03:01:54,263
Don't shoot!
He's alive!
3152
03:01:54,304 --> 03:01:55,154
He's alive!
3153
03:01:55,195 --> 03:01:58,032
You feel for it, and it's hard
to know sometimes
3154
03:01:58,365 --> 03:02:00,535
whether that's just
another part of the way
3155
03:02:00,576 --> 03:02:04,080
that humans are hardwired
to sort of anthropomorphize things
3156
03:02:04,121 --> 03:02:06,531
or whether that's a thing
that we're going to have to really sort of
3157
03:02:06,582 --> 03:02:08,984
worry about in the future.
3158
03:02:09,025 --> 03:02:11,008
Maybe Johnny.
3159
03:02:11,049 --> 03:02:14,049
Yeah! Johnny 5.
It's cool.
3160
03:02:18,886 --> 03:02:22,014
Alien is one of the most
frightening movies I've ever seen.
3161
03:02:25,809 --> 03:02:27,896
Alien is about survival,
3162
03:02:27,937 --> 03:02:31,174
Aliens is about something bigger.
3163
03:02:31,698 --> 03:02:33,681
Aliens.
3164
03:02:33,722 --> 03:02:35,722
This time it's war.
3165
03:02:36,820 --> 03:02:40,574
It's a war film in space.
3166
03:02:41,158 --> 03:02:42,911
Aliens, the draft,
3167
03:02:42,952 --> 03:02:45,996
the running name that Jim had,
was called Grunts in Space.
3168
03:02:46,997 --> 03:02:49,250
Cameron was writing Rambo II
3169
03:02:49,291 --> 03:02:52,294
and Aliens pretty much simultaneously.
3170
03:02:52,753 --> 03:02:56,632
And they kind of bled into one another
and Aliens became a Vietnam film.
3171
03:02:56,966 --> 03:03:00,177
Subconsciously, it was sort of
about troops going under fire,
3172
03:03:00,594 --> 03:03:02,365
against an enemy
they couldn't see.
3173
03:03:02,406 --> 03:03:03,348
Let's go! Let's go!
3174
03:03:03,389 --> 03:03:06,643
The other story was a story about
mothers and daughters. The queen
3175
03:03:06,684 --> 03:03:10,980
and her children fighting against
Ripley and her adopted child.
3176
03:03:13,315 --> 03:03:14,359
You instantly
3177
03:03:14,400 --> 03:03:18,196
feel for and need to rescue
this little girl who's seen her
3178
03:03:18,237 --> 03:03:22,074
parents killed and is still come up
with the wits to survive.
3179
03:03:23,534 --> 03:03:26,412
There's a very mythic and
primal thing going on here.
3180
03:03:26,662 --> 03:03:29,164
This is now Mama Bear versus Mama Bear.
3181
03:03:33,355 --> 03:03:35,855
Get away from her,
you bitch!
3182
03:03:36,880 --> 03:03:38,424
At the time of filming, obviously,
3183
03:03:38,465 --> 03:03:42,428
I didn't really have any idea
of the magnitude
3184
03:03:42,469 --> 03:03:47,599
of the character Ripley, or the
character of Vasquez or my character.
3185
03:03:47,891 --> 03:03:51,354
It was so important,
especially in the '80s, having
3186
03:03:51,395 --> 03:03:55,232
the female be the center of it,
the female with the flame thrower.
3187
03:03:56,859 --> 03:03:58,277
The females are the ones that are
3188
03:03:58,318 --> 03:04:00,029
taking charge.
3189
03:04:00,353 --> 03:04:02,536
Have you ever been
mistaken for a man?
3190
03:04:02,577 --> 03:04:04,283
No. Have you?
3191
03:04:04,324 --> 03:04:06,411
It began this movement,
3192
03:04:06,452 --> 03:04:09,705
a huge impact on the future
3193
03:04:09,747 --> 03:04:13,625
of action movies and sci fi movies.
3194
03:04:13,917 --> 03:04:15,086
We did operate
3195
03:04:15,127 --> 03:04:17,921
like as best as possible, a marine crew.
3196
03:04:18,589 --> 03:04:20,574
Al Matthews,
Sergeant Apone.
3197
03:04:20,615 --> 03:04:22,585
All right sweethearts,
you heard the man
3198
03:04:22,635 --> 03:04:24,537
and you know the drill,
assholes and elbows...
3199
03:04:24,845 --> 03:04:27,423
He was, in fact, a former Green Beret,
3200
03:04:27,966 --> 03:04:31,377
so all of us Hollywood types,
you know, would demure
3201
03:04:31,977 --> 03:04:33,677
and defer to him
at all times.
3202
03:04:33,729 --> 03:04:35,773
What are you waiting for,
breakfast in bed?
3203
03:04:36,057 --> 03:04:37,692
Another glorious day in the corps.
3204
03:04:37,733 --> 03:04:40,862
The cohesiveness was really
formed in and around
3205
03:04:40,903 --> 03:04:43,864
training in the morning
and then also the rehearsal process.
3206
03:04:44,698 --> 03:04:48,118
And at that time, Hicks was
played by James Remar.
3207
03:04:49,661 --> 03:04:51,539
Remar's involvement
would have made it
3208
03:04:51,580 --> 03:04:53,791
even more intense.
3209
03:04:54,416 --> 03:04:57,586
Why he had to leave
had nothing to do with his acting.
3210
03:04:57,961 --> 03:05:01,006
However, it was quite shocking
3211
03:05:01,423 --> 03:05:04,176
to lose one of the leads of your film.
3212
03:05:05,344 --> 03:05:07,537
We all felt for Michael Biehn.
3213
03:05:07,578 --> 03:05:09,140
Are you all right?
3214
03:05:09,181 --> 03:05:11,726
He literally jumped into
Remar’s costume
3215
03:05:11,767 --> 03:05:14,019
and created his version of Hicks.
3216
03:05:14,443 --> 03:05:16,826
I like to keep this handy
3217
03:05:16,867 --> 03:05:18,274
for close encounters.
3218
03:05:18,315 --> 03:05:21,593
Bill Paxton was the glue of our set.
3219
03:05:21,634 --> 03:05:23,634
Check it out, I am
the ultimate badass!
3220
03:05:25,656 --> 03:05:26,991
And that's actually something
3221
03:05:27,032 --> 03:05:29,392
that Sigourney Weaver
said at his memorial.
3222
03:05:29,433 --> 03:05:32,913
Yo! Stop your grinnin'
and drop your linen.
3223
03:05:32,996 --> 03:05:36,166
To say we miss Bill Paxton
is a true understatement.
3224
03:05:41,463 --> 03:05:43,674
Sometimes I'm still in awe,
like, oh my gosh,
3225
03:05:44,216 --> 03:05:46,952
I was in a James Cameron movie.
3226
03:05:46,993 --> 03:05:48,976
And they mostly come at night.
3227
03:05:49,017 --> 03:05:51,017
Mostly.
3228
03:05:51,098 --> 03:05:53,267
Sigourney just took care of me on set.
3229
03:05:55,269 --> 03:05:58,189
When we were in the eggs with the
queen alien in front of us and everything,
3230
03:05:58,230 --> 03:06:02,442
that was a very scary situation
with all the fire going on around us.
3231
03:06:03,485 --> 03:06:06,905
If you watch in the movie, she's going
like pushing me behind her.
3232
03:06:07,030 --> 03:06:09,992
That was a natural response.
3233
03:06:10,033 --> 03:06:12,870
I'm sure for everyone on set,
it was very difficult
3234
03:06:12,911 --> 03:06:14,997
and they probably were
a little bit concerned.
3235
03:06:16,665 --> 03:06:18,626
The last few years
that I've seen everyone,
3236
03:06:18,667 --> 03:06:20,628
they've actually asked,
did you have nightmares?
3237
03:06:20,669 --> 03:06:22,672
Did we like affect you psychologically?
3238
03:06:22,713 --> 03:06:24,173
And it didn't.
3239
03:06:24,214 --> 03:06:27,864
They would show me the process
of building something.
3240
03:06:27,927 --> 03:06:30,407
They would show me
then how it was going to work.
3241
03:06:31,680 --> 03:06:33,182
Sometimes they'd throw
something at me
3242
03:06:33,223 --> 03:06:36,852
to try to get my natural reaction of a scare,
different things like that.
3243
03:06:38,187 --> 03:06:40,231
At the time, I was definitely
afraid of dogs,
3244
03:06:40,272 --> 03:06:43,484
so I just pretended
like the aliens were dogs
3245
03:06:43,525 --> 03:06:45,777
coming after me.
3246
03:06:49,072 --> 03:06:53,035
This alien comes up and grabs me,
and it is terrifying,
3247
03:06:53,160 --> 03:06:57,290
however, for me, it was my friend
who was a stunt man in a suit
3248
03:06:57,331 --> 03:06:59,499
and then they put the head on,
and off we go.
3249
03:07:00,751 --> 03:07:04,964
To me, it was normal,
which is so abnormal,
3250
03:07:05,005 --> 03:07:07,633
really, if you look back at it.
3251
03:07:08,175 --> 03:07:12,512
Jim really took her under a wing and
made sure she was protected at all times,
3252
03:07:12,638 --> 03:07:17,267
and Paxton actually formed a really sort
of avuncular relationship with her.
3253
03:07:18,560 --> 03:07:22,689
When you got Lance, Paul Reiser and Bill
Paxton together, there was trouble.
3254
03:07:22,731 --> 03:07:24,591
Keeping us all light hearted,
which is nice.
3255
03:07:24,632 --> 03:07:27,115
What do you want me to do,
fetch your slippers for ya?
3256
03:07:27,156 --> 03:07:29,030
Gee, would you, sir?
I'd like that.
3257
03:07:29,071 --> 03:07:31,073
I'm always amazed
when I go to a convention
3258
03:07:31,114 --> 03:07:34,701
how many military people come up to me
and say before they deployed,
3259
03:07:34,868 --> 03:07:37,747
they watched Aliens because
it brought that feeling of unity
3260
03:07:37,788 --> 03:07:38,980
together.
3261
03:07:39,021 --> 03:07:41,021
You're just too bad.
3262
03:07:42,459 --> 03:07:44,128
I had an amazing experience.
3263
03:07:44,169 --> 03:07:46,588
It was definitely once
in a lifetime opportunity.
3264
03:07:47,912 --> 03:07:49,912
Run!
3265
03:07:51,301 --> 03:07:53,553
When you come out and
you're up here on top,
3266
03:07:53,762 --> 03:07:56,848
how much further can you go?
3267
03:07:57,272 --> 03:07:59,672
Not bad for a human.
3268
03:08:11,905 --> 03:08:14,075
Flight of the Navigator
was wish fulfillment
3269
03:08:14,116 --> 03:08:16,326
for every 12 year old.
3270
03:08:20,664 --> 03:08:22,833
It's a story about time travel,
3271
03:08:23,041 --> 03:08:26,670
about alien contact and connection,
3272
03:08:26,878 --> 03:08:30,841
futuristic technology,
creatures from other planets
3273
03:08:31,049 --> 03:08:34,928
and then under it,
the journey of David Freeman
3274
03:08:35,095 --> 03:08:38,223
to find his way back home
to his true family.
3275
03:08:40,559 --> 03:08:43,896
Time has changed for everyone except him.
3276
03:08:43,937 --> 03:08:47,048
He's still 12 years old
and his family has gotten older.
3277
03:08:47,089 --> 03:08:49,072
It seems that we...
3278
03:08:49,113 --> 03:08:50,653
David.
3279
03:08:50,694 --> 03:08:53,196
It's the story of how he adjusts
3280
03:08:53,447 --> 03:08:55,557
and how he tries to undo that problem.
3281
03:08:55,598 --> 03:08:57,581
Been gone for eight years.
3282
03:08:57,622 --> 03:08:59,622
Gone where, outer space?
3283
03:09:01,413 --> 03:09:04,958
We videotaped hundreds of kids
to find Joey Cramer.
3284
03:09:05,292 --> 03:09:08,486
And when I saw him, I just knew
that that was the kid.
3285
03:09:08,527 --> 03:09:10,381
Let it go,
let it go.
3286
03:09:10,422 --> 03:09:11,966
A key element in why
3287
03:09:12,007 --> 03:09:15,428
I got the part in Flight of the Navigator
was because of that
3288
03:09:15,469 --> 03:09:18,848
emotional availability,
being able to connect
3289
03:09:18,889 --> 03:09:21,207
and cry realistically.
3290
03:09:21,248 --> 03:09:23,519
It's like a bad dream.
3291
03:09:23,560 --> 03:09:27,773
The key to the whole movie
and the reason I think it still resonates
3292
03:09:27,814 --> 03:09:31,217
is the human drama.
3293
03:09:31,258 --> 03:09:33,241
It's 1986, man.
3294
03:09:33,282 --> 03:09:34,780
Eight years since that night.
3295
03:09:34,821 --> 03:09:39,243
Randal Kleiser was an amazing director
and was able to really bring things out of me
3296
03:09:39,284 --> 03:09:41,495
so I could really immerse
myself in that world.
3297
03:09:43,997 --> 03:09:47,793
The script was children,
special effects and animals,
3298
03:09:47,834 --> 03:09:52,530
which are all no no's, but I found it
to be an exciting challenge.
3299
03:09:52,571 --> 03:09:54,854
Just take us 20 miles from here.
3300
03:09:54,895 --> 03:09:56,895
Compliant.
3301
03:09:58,019 --> 03:10:00,514
What are you doing?
3302
03:10:00,555 --> 03:10:01,599
Mark Damon
3303
03:10:01,640 --> 03:10:04,810
wanted to make an action movie
with the government
3304
03:10:04,851 --> 03:10:08,271
trying to shoot down the spaceship
and lots of explosions and stuff.
3305
03:10:08,605 --> 03:10:10,649
And Disney wanted to make a family drama.
3306
03:10:11,024 --> 03:10:14,528
So I was caught in the middle
trying to make them both happy,
3307
03:10:14,611 --> 03:10:17,155
and I think that made the movie
a little more interesting.
3308
03:10:17,679 --> 03:10:19,762
Can you follow it?
3309
03:10:19,803 --> 03:10:21,803
Follow it? I can't
even see it.
3310
03:10:22,077 --> 03:10:23,954
I wanted to find a spaceship
that was different
3311
03:10:23,995 --> 03:10:26,623
from all the movies I'd seen.
3312
03:10:27,976 --> 03:10:29,960
Wow!
3313
03:10:30,001 --> 03:10:31,379
Cutting edge CGI,
3314
03:10:31,420 --> 03:10:34,464
there's a little bit of it
in there, and it holds up.
3315
03:10:40,137 --> 03:10:43,598
When I first walked
into that set of the interior
3316
03:10:43,640 --> 03:10:49,563
spaceship, that cool, reflective mylar,
I remember just being blown away by it.
3317
03:10:49,604 --> 03:10:52,298
It was so cool.
3318
03:10:52,339 --> 03:10:54,222
- I'm a Trimaxion Drone Ship.
- Trimaxion?
3319
03:10:54,263 --> 03:10:56,763
- Affirmative.
- Okay, I'll call you Max, It's easier.
3320
03:10:57,279 --> 03:10:59,657
We wanted this character of Max
3321
03:10:59,698 --> 03:11:03,977
to have a personality,
and yet he was a robot.
3322
03:11:04,018 --> 03:11:06,001
I'm just a kid.
3323
03:11:06,042 --> 03:11:08,925
That is obvious.
But your brain has been programmed
3324
03:11:08,966 --> 03:11:11,466
with all appropriate star charts.
3325
03:11:11,793 --> 03:11:14,255
Before the mind transfer, Max
3326
03:11:14,296 --> 03:11:18,015
just sounds like an alien spaceship,
and he's like, sit down navigator.
3327
03:11:18,056 --> 03:11:21,256
Sit down, navigator.
3328
03:11:21,344 --> 03:11:24,890
You would never know that it was
Pee-wee Herman or Paul Reubens.
3329
03:11:24,999 --> 03:11:26,876
I think there's been
some sort of mistake.
3330
03:11:26,976 --> 03:11:28,976
I do not make mistakes.
3331
03:11:29,061 --> 03:11:32,272
And then when he scans the boy's brain,
3332
03:11:32,355 --> 03:11:35,008
we let him do the character
Pee-Wee Herman.
3333
03:11:35,049 --> 03:11:37,049
- That's it?
- That's it Davy!
3334
03:11:38,820 --> 03:11:42,032
Working with the puppets
and that world was really cool.
3335
03:11:42,157 --> 03:11:46,060
They were all built into the set,
the space terrarium.
3336
03:11:46,101 --> 03:11:47,204
Weird.
3337
03:11:47,245 --> 03:11:49,540
I love the big eyeball.
3338
03:11:49,581 --> 03:11:52,042
I love you.
3339
03:11:53,752 --> 03:11:55,045
What's really special
3340
03:11:55,086 --> 03:11:57,422
about Flight of the Navigator
is the heart of it.
3341
03:12:00,133 --> 03:12:02,636
Losing the family, getting the
family back together,
3342
03:12:02,928 --> 03:12:07,040
it has that warm Disney feeling
without being saccharine, I hope.
3343
03:12:07,081 --> 03:12:08,934
Goodbye, Davy.
3344
03:12:08,975 --> 03:12:10,019
It was so much fun.
3345
03:12:10,060 --> 03:12:11,020
People love it.
3346
03:12:11,061 --> 03:12:13,296
I'm so proud and grateful
to be part of it.
3347
03:12:13,337 --> 03:12:15,337
See you later alligator!
3348
03:12:25,061 --> 03:12:28,044
George Lucas presents an
electrifying new comedy.
3349
03:12:28,085 --> 03:12:29,538
Howard the Duck
3350
03:12:29,579 --> 03:12:33,241
Howard the Duck is about a duck
that comes from outer space,
3351
03:12:33,333 --> 03:12:38,380
is sucked down accidentally by some laser
pointed in the wrong direction.
3352
03:12:42,592 --> 03:12:44,819
All he wants is to go home.
3353
03:12:44,860 --> 03:12:46,680
I've got no intention
of being stranded here.
3354
03:12:46,721 --> 03:12:47,806
Then he meets up with this
3355
03:12:47,847 --> 03:12:50,392
all girl band fronted by Lea Thompson.
3356
03:12:51,309 --> 03:12:53,312
I love the early comics.
3357
03:12:53,353 --> 03:12:57,482
Steve Gerber, who created Howard for
the comics, was a friend of mine.
3358
03:12:58,733 --> 03:13:02,821
A lot of people went in and thought,
oh, Howard, cute, duck,
3359
03:13:03,321 --> 03:13:07,451
expecting much more of a family film,
and they had actually taken
3360
03:13:07,492 --> 03:13:10,996
the more adult storytelling of the Howard
3361
03:13:11,037 --> 03:13:12,407
the Duck comics.
3362
03:13:12,623 --> 03:13:14,356
Must be mating season.
3363
03:13:14,500 --> 03:13:16,710
None of it was G-rated.
3364
03:13:19,379 --> 03:13:21,257
I love irreverent comedy.
3365
03:13:21,298 --> 03:13:23,341
Kids are just little adults
3366
03:13:23,800 --> 03:13:26,679
with a lack of discernment.
For me as a kid, I was like,
3367
03:13:26,720 --> 03:13:29,872
There's a talking duck and he's sassy.
3368
03:13:29,913 --> 03:13:33,496
Well, sex appeal.
Some guys got it, and some guys don't.
3369
03:13:33,537 --> 03:13:35,537
Howard...
3370
03:13:35,687 --> 03:13:37,606
This is great.
3371
03:13:38,231 --> 03:13:40,150
Lea Thompson was my girl.
3372
03:13:40,191 --> 03:13:42,736
She hugged me and she goes,
"Oh, my man-duck."
3373
03:13:43,260 --> 03:13:45,760
You are great, ducky.
3374
03:13:45,989 --> 03:13:48,033
Howard the Duck
was my very first film, ever.
3375
03:13:48,074 --> 03:13:50,953
Lea was one who kept
whispering to me,
3376
03:13:50,994 --> 03:13:54,456
"Listen, don't be afraid to say no",
because I did all the major stunts,
3377
03:13:54,956 --> 03:13:55,874
except the airplane.
3378
03:14:00,920 --> 03:14:02,590
Well, they wanted Howard the Duck
3379
03:14:02,631 --> 03:14:07,260
to be edgy and a doll, but they thought,
well, we got to make it a family film too.
3380
03:14:07,636 --> 03:14:10,663
And I don't know that
those two things really work.
3381
03:14:10,704 --> 03:14:13,187
It's so life-like and realistic!
3382
03:14:13,228 --> 03:14:14,393
Bug off!
3383
03:14:14,434 --> 03:14:17,187
Howard the Duck is a PG rated
movie that opens
3384
03:14:17,228 --> 03:14:22,359
with a topless duck and duck boobs
if there is, in fact, such a thing .
3385
03:14:22,400 --> 03:14:23,694
And there are a few blue jokes
3386
03:14:23,735 --> 03:14:25,721
in Howard the Duck,
Lea Thompson opens up
3387
03:14:25,762 --> 03:14:27,781
this wallet and finds a
sort of duck condom.
3388
03:14:27,822 --> 03:14:30,200
No, there's a condom in the wallet?
3389
03:14:30,367 --> 03:14:32,328
Why would they think
that's a family movie?
3390
03:14:32,369 --> 03:14:34,062
Crazy!
3391
03:14:34,103 --> 03:14:36,103
Howard...
3392
03:14:37,624 --> 03:14:39,293
Unfortunately, you got this vibe,
3393
03:14:39,334 --> 03:14:41,402
that the duck is going to do it
with Lea Thompson.
3394
03:14:41,443 --> 03:14:43,443
You could always give it a try.
3395
03:14:45,256 --> 03:14:47,300
He's a little cigar smoking horn dog,
3396
03:14:47,592 --> 03:14:50,970
and he gets the women on
his planet, so he's here.
3397
03:14:51,137 --> 03:14:55,767
So when in Rome... And he came on to her,
and she called his bluff.
3398
03:14:56,991 --> 03:14:59,691
I just can't resist your intense
animal magnetism.
3399
03:15:00,188 --> 03:15:01,523
As an adult, seeing
3400
03:15:01,564 --> 03:15:05,443
Howard the Duck wake up in a bed with a
human lady, it's a little questionable.
3401
03:15:05,485 --> 03:15:09,239
There were a lot of things going
against it and not enough going for it.
3402
03:15:09,280 --> 03:15:14,885
Willard Huyck, Howard the Duck was
definitely his first big budget production.
3403
03:15:16,162 --> 03:15:19,582
Willard would shoot 20, 30, 40
takes of just this...
3404
03:15:21,960 --> 03:15:24,754
Cut! Do it again.
3405
03:15:25,088 --> 03:15:27,632
Willard and Gloria didn't quite get it.
3406
03:15:28,258 --> 03:15:30,636
I saw the whole thing
going south, you know,
3407
03:15:30,677 --> 03:15:33,888
because they were having trouble
making decisions like in everything.
3408
03:15:34,889 --> 03:15:36,975
The director had a meltdown.
3409
03:15:37,016 --> 03:15:38,644
I had a meltdown, too.
3410
03:15:38,685 --> 03:15:41,397
And so Lucas came in to direct.
3411
03:15:41,438 --> 03:15:42,731
He didn't pull punches.
3412
03:15:42,772 --> 03:15:45,191
Not so passive aggressive,
more aggressive.
3413
03:15:45,615 --> 03:15:49,598
You and Babyface are gonna beat it!
Right, Mr. Zits?
3414
03:15:49,639 --> 03:15:53,139
Before I get really mad!
3415
03:15:53,867 --> 03:15:54,952
The technology
3416
03:15:54,993 --> 03:15:59,038
just wasn't there
to make Howard believable.
3417
03:15:59,330 --> 03:16:03,668
And if you didn't believe Howard,
then the whole movie falls apart.
3418
03:16:04,771 --> 03:16:06,755
What's this?
3419
03:16:06,796 --> 03:16:09,132
The notion of an alien duck cracked me up.
3420
03:16:09,456 --> 03:16:12,939
Of all the alleys in the world I could
have fallen into that night.
3421
03:16:12,980 --> 03:16:14,980
Why did it have to be yours?
3422
03:16:15,555 --> 03:16:18,224
But at the end of the day,
it really is just a guy in a duck suit
3423
03:16:18,266 --> 03:16:22,061
telling dirty jokes, and I think that's
the ultimate problem of Howard the Duck.
3424
03:16:22,854 --> 03:16:26,132
The duck wanted to do it with the girl.
3425
03:16:26,173 --> 03:16:28,973
This is not what you think.
We're just very good friends.
3426
03:16:36,997 --> 03:16:40,997
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
3427
03:16:41,915 --> 03:16:43,959
I know a good idea when I see one.
3428
03:16:44,000 --> 03:16:48,004
I knew that Star Trek IV was
going to be an enormous success.
3429
03:16:48,296 --> 03:16:50,490
I read it and I said,
"This story has it all."
3430
03:16:50,531 --> 03:16:52,514
Do not approach earth.
3431
03:16:52,555 --> 03:16:57,555
The transmissions of an orbiting probe
are causing critical damage to this planet.
3432
03:16:58,556 --> 03:17:01,733
Leonard Nimoy had proven with Star
Trek III that he was a capable director.
3433
03:17:01,810 --> 03:17:03,937
So when it came time to
direct Star Trek IV,
3434
03:17:04,103 --> 03:17:06,105
he was then in a position to negotiate.
3435
03:17:06,272 --> 03:17:08,191
I want to do something different.
3436
03:17:08,232 --> 03:17:10,569
We're going to attempt
time travel.
3437
03:17:10,819 --> 03:17:13,070
And we're going to lighten things up,
we're going to have more fun.
3438
03:17:13,155 --> 03:17:16,094
Can you direct me to
the naval base in Alameda?
3439
03:17:16,158 --> 03:17:19,453
It's where they keep the nuclear wessels.
3440
03:17:19,661 --> 03:17:20,913
I got to write comedy.
3441
03:17:20,954 --> 03:17:27,210
There was a previous draft of a story that
Harve and Leonard had concocted together.
3442
03:17:27,335 --> 03:17:30,839
I was told that it had a big role
for Eddie Murphy.
3443
03:17:32,048 --> 03:17:35,594
My friend Dawn Steele,
who was head of production at the time,
3444
03:17:35,635 --> 03:17:38,763
she said, "We have a problem,
we're going into production in a month.
3445
03:17:39,222 --> 03:17:42,517
"We're not going to use the script.
We have to start over."
3446
03:17:42,809 --> 03:17:46,271
So I walked across the lot
to their office,
3447
03:17:46,312 --> 03:17:48,464
and they told me the story
about the whales.
3448
03:17:48,505 --> 03:17:53,005
As suspected, the drone's transmissions
are the songs sung by whales.
3449
03:17:53,319 --> 03:17:56,406
And Harve said,
"I'll write the parts in outer space,
3450
03:17:56,447 --> 03:17:59,701
"and you write the parts on Earth,
in San Francisco."
3451
03:17:59,742 --> 03:18:03,413
and I said, "San Francisco?
That's the same movie as Time after Time."
3452
03:18:03,746 --> 03:18:05,707
Can we go someplace else?
3453
03:18:05,748 --> 03:18:07,459
Why can't we go to Paris?
3454
03:18:07,500 --> 03:18:08,669
And they said,
3455
03:18:08,710 --> 03:18:12,171
Well, because the whales wouldn't
fit in the Seine or some - you know.
3456
03:18:12,213 --> 03:18:17,803
And I took stuff that I'd cut out of Time
after Time and threw it into this movie.
3457
03:18:17,844 --> 03:18:20,889
You know, waste not want not
never throw anything away.
3458
03:18:25,435 --> 03:18:28,354
Very complicated to be in front
of the camera and behind the camera.
3459
03:18:28,855 --> 03:18:30,941
Star Trek IV is something
that he worked on
3460
03:18:30,982 --> 03:18:33,651
really heavily before they
ever shot it for the film.
3461
03:18:34,068 --> 03:18:36,864
He really knew what he was doing,
had a clear vision going in,
3462
03:18:36,905 --> 03:18:39,807
and I think that's what really saved him.
3463
03:18:39,848 --> 03:18:41,831
I'll give you 100 dollars.
3464
03:18:41,872 --> 03:18:43,745
Is that a lot?
3465
03:18:43,786 --> 03:18:46,247
Star Trek IV ends up
becoming a very accessible film,
3466
03:18:46,623 --> 03:18:50,168
even for non Star Trek fans.
3467
03:18:50,692 --> 03:18:53,192
Why don't you watch where
you're going, you dumbass!
3468
03:18:53,616 --> 03:18:55,616
Double dumbass on you!
3469
03:18:55,673 --> 03:18:56,842
Every laugh is earned,
3470
03:18:56,883 --> 03:18:59,193
every laugh is honest.
3471
03:18:59,234 --> 03:19:00,846
Everybody remember
where we parked.
3472
03:19:00,887 --> 03:19:03,723
I thought the scene between Bill
3473
03:19:04,057 --> 03:19:07,477
and Leonard in the car was just charming.
3474
03:19:07,560 --> 03:19:09,295
It was just delightful.
3475
03:19:09,336 --> 03:19:11,319
You guys like Italian?
3476
03:19:11,360 --> 03:19:13,343
- No.
- Yes.
3477
03:19:13,384 --> 03:19:15,367
- No.
- Yes.
3478
03:19:15,408 --> 03:19:16,612
Yes, I love Italian.
3479
03:19:16,653 --> 03:19:18,322
At the end of the movie,
3480
03:19:18,363 --> 03:19:22,075
we took whale song and processed it
with some electronic stuff.
3481
03:19:24,619 --> 03:19:25,954
There's no dialog.
3482
03:19:25,995 --> 03:19:28,999
You have to tell the audience
that this is a communication
3483
03:19:29,040 --> 03:19:32,544
between whale in this
weird sci fi object,
3484
03:19:32,585 --> 03:19:35,672
there are sort of two distinct
sounds of the probe.
3485
03:19:35,713 --> 03:19:36,965
There's the danger mode.
3486
03:19:37,006 --> 03:19:39,008
I went in with my best designs.
3487
03:19:39,717 --> 03:19:42,012
Leonard, he said, "They don't work.
3488
03:19:42,053 --> 03:19:44,890
"It should sound like this."
And he went, "Whab, whab, whab, whab"
3489
03:19:44,931 --> 03:19:47,309
in this deep--
He's got this big, deep voice.
3490
03:19:47,350 --> 03:19:48,644
And I said, "Great.
3491
03:19:48,685 --> 03:19:50,979
"We're recording Leonard."
3492
03:19:51,020 --> 03:19:52,356
And he called my bluff.
3493
03:19:52,397 --> 03:19:54,997
And Leonard bellied up to the microphone
just like this and he went,
3494
03:19:55,050 --> 03:19:56,660
"Whab, whab, whab, whab."
3495
03:19:56,776 --> 03:19:57,903
Just like that.
3496
03:19:57,944 --> 03:20:00,154
And that's what's in the movie.
3497
03:20:03,825 --> 03:20:05,744
But the ultimate villain,
3498
03:20:05,785 --> 03:20:08,788
which is in Star Trek IV, is man.
3499
03:20:09,312 --> 03:20:12,895
Since the dawn of time,
men have harvested whales for a variety
3500
03:20:12,936 --> 03:20:16,236
of purposes. Most of which can be
achieved synthetically at this point.
3501
03:20:16,629 --> 03:20:17,881
The studio wanted to know
3502
03:20:17,922 --> 03:20:20,967
what the probe was asking or saying.
3503
03:20:23,344 --> 03:20:27,557
And I said "That's dumb,
could never live up to the mystery."
3504
03:20:28,057 --> 03:20:29,601
I said, "We're not doing that."
3505
03:20:29,642 --> 03:20:32,604
And I remember Dawn Steele saying,
"You're wrong, Nicky Meyer."
3506
03:20:32,645 --> 03:20:36,399
And I said, "Well, that's just how
the cookie is going to crumble."
3507
03:20:37,316 --> 03:20:39,736
Star Trek II, III and IV
3508
03:20:39,777 --> 03:20:42,405
is my absolute favorite Star Trek trilogy.
3509
03:20:42,822 --> 03:20:44,741
It tells a really wonderful story.
3510
03:20:49,412 --> 03:20:52,206
No one was doing anything
like that at that time.
3511
03:20:52,457 --> 03:20:56,169
So to take these three movies
and really make them a cohesive trilogy
3512
03:20:56,210 --> 03:20:59,447
is really super beautiful.
3513
03:20:59,488 --> 03:21:01,471
Hello computer.
3514
03:21:01,512 --> 03:21:03,512
Just use the keyboard.
3515
03:21:09,724 --> 03:21:14,062
Music hits us on a very visceral level.
3516
03:21:17,565 --> 03:21:20,026
These beautiful, symphonic,
3517
03:21:20,401 --> 03:21:25,782
gorgeous scores that are bringing you
on a journey and advancing action.
3518
03:21:26,115 --> 03:21:30,620
A good composer picks a range for a character.
When they're sad,
3519
03:21:31,037 --> 03:21:33,664
and when they're happy
and when they're in action
3520
03:21:33,873 --> 03:21:36,609
and when they're resting.
3521
03:21:36,650 --> 03:21:38,650
Would anyone like to review
that for us today?
3522
03:21:39,128 --> 03:21:41,714
I think all good film
composers are chameleons,
3523
03:21:41,756 --> 03:21:44,968
if they're talented in a wide ranging way
3524
03:21:45,009 --> 03:21:48,179
for that career, you have to have
a wide open musical mind.
3525
03:21:49,138 --> 03:21:52,934
What really changed in
the '70s was really Steven Spielberg,
3526
03:21:52,975 --> 03:21:55,853
because he brought back the idea
3527
03:21:56,145 --> 03:21:58,648
that big orchestras are great.
3528
03:22:06,155 --> 03:22:09,808
And everybody followed suit because
those movies were making money.
3529
03:22:13,162 --> 03:22:14,289
It's very easy
3530
03:22:14,330 --> 03:22:18,084
to evoke the emotions of the film
by listening to the score.
3531
03:22:18,334 --> 03:22:21,504
The movie's already in your head,
so when you drop that needle on that vinyl
3532
03:22:21,712 --> 03:22:24,841
and close your eyes
and you listen to that opening score
3533
03:22:24,924 --> 03:22:27,844
for Superman or Star Wars,
you're right there,
3534
03:22:27,885 --> 03:22:29,303
you're back in the movie.
3535
03:22:36,060 --> 03:22:37,854
That music is huge.
3536
03:22:37,895 --> 03:22:43,234
It reminds you that this is a story
about an entire galaxy.
3537
03:22:43,401 --> 03:22:46,362
When you heard... "Dum dum dum da da dum"
3538
03:22:50,992 --> 03:22:53,077
You know what's coming.
3539
03:22:53,452 --> 03:22:55,538
John Williams, certainly what he produced,
3540
03:22:55,663 --> 03:22:58,416
or created was monumental.
3541
03:22:58,541 --> 03:23:01,210
It made an unbelievable impact.
3542
03:23:03,004 --> 03:23:05,132
With The Last Starfighter,
3543
03:23:05,173 --> 03:23:08,926
the problem was you were in
the footsteps of Star Wars,
3544
03:23:09,260 --> 03:23:13,389
and if you go off and say,
"Hey, Nick, let's do this electronically,
3545
03:23:13,514 --> 03:23:15,016
"you're doomed."
3546
03:23:18,394 --> 03:23:20,813
So you had to respect
3547
03:23:21,147 --> 03:23:24,901
that your palate was going
to be a big symphony orchestra.
3548
03:23:25,443 --> 03:23:29,572
It's pretty normal when I'm explaining
what I want to do to a director
3549
03:23:30,156 --> 03:23:34,619
to just sing a melody
or try to imitate the sound.
3550
03:23:35,369 --> 03:23:38,415
When I played the theme
to The Last Starfighter,
3551
03:23:38,456 --> 03:23:41,334
I was sitting on a piano, going
3552
03:23:42,126 --> 03:23:45,213
"And now six trumpets play..."
3553
03:23:53,262 --> 03:23:56,682
They had to imagine it all
from a guy playing a piano.
3554
03:23:58,059 --> 03:24:00,102
That ain't easy.
3555
03:24:04,315 --> 03:24:06,109
Back to the Future turns out to be
3556
03:24:06,150 --> 03:24:08,945
Alan Sylvestri's very first
orchestral score.
3557
03:24:13,824 --> 03:24:15,994
Bob Zemeckis said they
need your score to make
3558
03:24:16,035 --> 03:24:18,996
it feel like it's a much bigger
movie than it really is.
3559
03:24:19,121 --> 03:24:23,334
So Al put together what
turned out to be, I'm told,
3560
03:24:23,751 --> 03:24:27,546
the biggest orchestra ever
assembled in Hollywood at that time.
3561
03:24:27,755 --> 03:24:29,298
Al nailed it.
3562
03:24:36,347 --> 03:24:40,518
American movies are
partially Basil Poledouris
3563
03:24:40,726 --> 03:24:44,563
and partially Jerry Goldsmith's.
Basil is much more epic.
3564
03:24:52,780 --> 03:24:54,949
You see the scenes through a filter.
3565
03:24:55,283 --> 03:24:58,119
The filter is the music.
3566
03:24:59,662 --> 03:25:02,332
Elmer Bernstein got to your heart in a way
3567
03:25:02,373 --> 03:25:05,334
that very few composers managed to do.
3568
03:25:15,011 --> 03:25:17,847
I trusted his laugh and his lack of laugh,
3569
03:25:18,139 --> 03:25:21,475
when it happened, and it gave
me confidence in what I was doing.
3570
03:25:22,184 --> 03:25:24,020
I love him
and I really miss him.
3571
03:25:25,021 --> 03:25:27,811
One of the things that you have to do
when you make a movie and you have to show
3572
03:25:27,857 --> 03:25:29,859
the rough cut to anybody
is you have to put a temp track on it.
3573
03:25:29,942 --> 03:25:30,986
Composers generally
3574
03:25:31,027 --> 03:25:34,030
don't like to have to watch the movie
with somebody else's music on it.
3575
03:25:34,405 --> 03:25:37,283
The editor and the director are often
3576
03:25:37,575 --> 03:25:40,119
what we call married to their temp track.
3577
03:25:40,328 --> 03:25:44,082
And so now you find yourself
unwittingly turning your movie
3578
03:25:44,123 --> 03:25:48,336
into something that is cut to the rhythm
of the music that you're not going to use.
3579
03:25:48,794 --> 03:25:51,130
The most famous example of a temp track
3580
03:25:51,339 --> 03:25:53,799
would be 2001: A Space Odyssey,
3581
03:25:54,383 --> 03:25:59,513
in which Stanley Kubrick temped
the entire movie with Richard Strauss,
3582
03:25:59,680 --> 03:26:03,976
Johann Strauss and then had a composer
and immediately went, "you know?
3583
03:26:04,477 --> 03:26:07,772
"I think the temp track's way better than
what you did", and he threw out the score
3584
03:26:07,813 --> 03:26:08,856
and went back to the temp.
3585
03:26:16,322 --> 03:26:19,576
First, let me see your film
in musical silence,
3586
03:26:19,617 --> 03:26:24,121
because that's how my imagination
works in that blank slate place.
3587
03:26:25,289 --> 03:26:29,836
Mr Cameron and Gale Anne Hurd
came to my studio and showed me the rough
3588
03:26:29,877 --> 03:26:34,131
cut of the Terminator, without a temp track.
I was kind of blown away.
3589
03:26:35,299 --> 03:26:39,929
There was a very primitive early
sampling device called an Emulator one.
3590
03:26:40,262 --> 03:26:43,016
You could plug a microphone
into this keyboard
3591
03:26:43,057 --> 03:26:47,354
and make some weird sound
and then reproduce it with the keyboard.
3592
03:26:47,395 --> 03:26:50,523
And that's how I did
the clank on Terminator.
3593
03:26:54,610 --> 03:26:57,655
I had this cheap little mic
and I hit a frying pan
3594
03:26:57,696 --> 03:27:01,992
because I wanted this big anvil sound
and I got an anvil sample.
3595
03:27:03,119 --> 03:27:05,621
It just sounded like... "Dink."
3596
03:27:09,667 --> 03:27:11,252
That little piece of technology
3597
03:27:11,293 --> 03:27:14,672
was the key to establishing
the sound for the original Terminator.
3598
03:27:21,887 --> 03:27:23,889
Vangelis from Blade Runner.
3599
03:27:24,515 --> 03:27:29,687
That was so strange and different and new,
he created these ambient
3600
03:27:29,728 --> 03:27:32,773
pads, which was a very
progressive idea in that day,
3601
03:27:32,815 --> 03:27:37,112
in a way that sound designers now very
commonly do, he'd create these emotive
3602
03:27:37,153 --> 03:27:41,991
kind of atmospheres that weren't music,
but he used synthesizers and chimes
3603
03:27:42,032 --> 03:27:45,244
and embedded them in scenes
to create an ambiance feel.
3604
03:27:54,003 --> 03:27:56,630
The soundtrack to Repo Man
is a little more my speed
3605
03:27:56,797 --> 03:27:59,717
than the soundtrack to Blade Runner.
3606
03:28:04,847 --> 03:28:08,768
They started flipping the script
a little bit by introducing modern
3607
03:28:08,809 --> 03:28:11,395
rock music into
what should be a science fiction film.
3608
03:28:19,319 --> 03:28:21,319
Excuse me.
3609
03:28:22,072 --> 03:28:25,994
Kirk Thatcher did the vocals for
I Hate You and he wrote the lyrics,
3610
03:28:26,035 --> 03:28:30,789
I literally wrote a song in a lunchtime,
recorded it live in one take.
3611
03:28:31,248 --> 03:28:32,583
And he's the punk on the bus.
3612
03:28:39,256 --> 03:28:42,026
We just had a ton of fun doing it.
3613
03:28:42,127 --> 03:28:44,387
Today, there's very little thematic music.
3614
03:28:44,428 --> 03:28:46,764
Music is more almost like a sound effect.
3615
03:28:53,771 --> 03:28:57,566
But in the '80s, there was a lot
of use of melody and themes.
3616
03:28:57,650 --> 03:29:00,778
There are so many great composers of
that era who wrote themes
3617
03:29:00,945 --> 03:29:03,864
and wrote melodies that you could hum
when you left the theater.
3618
03:29:04,114 --> 03:29:05,325
I love that.
3619
03:29:05,366 --> 03:29:07,118
That's one of the joys of cinema.
3620
03:29:07,159 --> 03:29:10,996
You can associate the moment in the score
with the images in the film
3621
03:29:11,372 --> 03:29:12,582
inside your head.
3622
03:29:12,623 --> 03:29:15,334
By the way, that's how you
know it's a good score.
3623
03:29:15,918 --> 03:29:18,963
This moment with that moment
will go together forever.
3624
03:29:19,004 --> 03:29:21,006
It's just a beautiful thing.
3625
03:29:33,530 --> 03:29:35,530
Arnold Schwarzenegger.
3626
03:29:36,854 --> 03:29:38,854
Predator.
3627
03:29:38,899 --> 03:29:43,279
It was at the height of the Rambo craze
and the height of the craze over Aliens,
3628
03:29:43,445 --> 03:29:47,074
and all of a sudden
some whiz kid just said,
3629
03:29:48,826 --> 03:29:50,244
"Put them together".
3630
03:29:50,327 --> 03:29:54,081
I think in the '80s you saw
a transition in these kinds of movies
3631
03:29:54,290 --> 03:29:58,043
to something that was more
superhero in a way than hero
3632
03:29:58,252 --> 03:30:01,089
in a way.
A branded physique.
3633
03:30:01,130 --> 03:30:03,340
The heroes were all buffed up.
3634
03:30:03,507 --> 03:30:06,594
It was a time
where your physical appearance
3635
03:30:07,094 --> 03:30:09,597
determined your masculinity
in terms of buffness.
3636
03:30:11,432 --> 03:30:14,101
I was fond of Predator
because it felt like the most uniquely
3637
03:30:14,268 --> 03:30:17,522
crafted Schwarzenegger film in which
he was allowed to be more of an actor,
3638
03:30:17,563 --> 03:30:19,898
he was allowed to be afraid and desperate.
3639
03:30:21,722 --> 03:30:23,695
Payback time.
3640
03:30:23,736 --> 03:30:26,573
We go down there expecting to do our jobs
3641
03:30:26,614 --> 03:30:28,949
as a rescue team.
3642
03:30:29,969 --> 03:30:31,953
Stick around.
3643
03:30:31,994 --> 03:30:34,646
But we end up becoming the hunted.
3644
03:30:34,687 --> 03:30:37,187
There's something in those trees.
3645
03:30:37,541 --> 03:30:40,378
I think what's great about
Predator in the storytelling
3646
03:30:40,419 --> 03:30:46,383
is allowing the audience to understand
who the characters were beyond Arnold.
3647
03:30:47,843 --> 03:30:50,387
I think they did an outstanding job
3648
03:30:50,679 --> 03:30:53,140
of giving everyone in the platoon
3649
03:30:53,432 --> 03:30:56,269
their bit of time on screen.
3650
03:30:56,310 --> 03:30:58,688
The question is, do you care about anybody
3651
03:30:58,729 --> 03:31:00,481
that got shot?
3652
03:31:02,316 --> 03:31:04,777
I just like great writing.
3653
03:31:05,277 --> 03:31:08,614
I was the ultimate tough guy.
3654
03:31:12,993 --> 03:31:15,204
Of course, the most special scene for me
3655
03:31:15,329 --> 03:31:18,249
and the one where I'll brag and say,
I stole the film
3656
03:31:18,290 --> 03:31:19,691
from Arnold.
3657
03:31:19,732 --> 03:31:22,015
You're hit, you're bleeding man.
3658
03:31:22,056 --> 03:31:23,921
I ain't got time to bleed.
3659
03:31:23,962 --> 03:31:27,874
And it almost didn't come about.
That scene got cut.
3660
03:31:27,915 --> 03:31:28,885
You've got time to duck?
3661
03:31:28,926 --> 03:31:30,470
And I'll never forget,
3662
03:31:30,511 --> 03:31:34,139
I can thank Montezuma's Revenge,
because Arnold got sick
3663
03:31:34,682 --> 03:31:38,310
and Arnold couldn't shoot that day.
3664
03:31:38,435 --> 03:31:41,080
Predator is the one that everybody really
talks to me about.
3665
03:31:41,121 --> 03:31:43,121
The razor.
3666
03:31:43,165 --> 03:31:45,825
I’m gonna have me some fun tonight
when I’m going up the hill.
3667
03:31:45,866 --> 03:31:47,849
“I’m gonna have me some fun.
3668
03:31:47,890 --> 03:31:49,890
I’m gonna have me some fun.”
3669
03:31:50,197 --> 03:31:52,116
It still plays.
3670
03:31:56,078 --> 03:31:59,415
When I die, that's when
the platoon falls apart.
3671
03:31:59,498 --> 03:32:01,208
That's when panic set in.
3672
03:32:03,919 --> 03:32:05,421
These guys are really scared.
3673
03:32:05,462 --> 03:32:08,507
They're really big and muscular, and
they're dying and they're really dying.
3674
03:32:12,344 --> 03:32:14,722
The toughest guys in the world
who already know
3675
03:32:15,013 --> 03:32:17,916
that they're doomed,
this now becomes an existential movie.
3676
03:32:17,957 --> 03:32:20,157
There's something out there
waiting for us.
3677
03:32:21,281 --> 03:32:23,281
And it ain't no man.
3678
03:32:24,606 --> 03:32:26,775
Kevin Peter Hall played the predator.
3679
03:32:27,276 --> 03:32:30,529
Kevin was the only one who
probably truly could have did the part,
3680
03:32:30,738 --> 03:32:34,324
because he had to be able to pick
Arnold up and make Arnold look small,
3681
03:32:34,867 --> 03:32:38,454
and he certainly did that.
3682
03:32:40,581 --> 03:32:45,168
John McTiernan knew what he was doing
in slowly revealing that character.
3683
03:32:48,380 --> 03:32:51,216
And it finally culminates
in one of the great reveals
3684
03:32:51,341 --> 03:32:55,471
in the history of sci fi,
and that's when the Predator takes off
3685
03:32:55,596 --> 03:32:59,267
his bio helmet and reveals that face
with those mandibles.
3686
03:32:59,308 --> 03:33:02,853
And Arnold says,
"You one ugly motherfucker."
3687
03:33:05,647 --> 03:33:07,567
That is my favorite moment in that movie
3688
03:33:07,608 --> 03:33:10,611
when they have their final
mano a mano battle.
3689
03:33:10,861 --> 03:33:12,279
Predator reveals his face
3690
03:33:13,280 --> 03:33:16,241
drops his shoulder cannon,
he's like, "Let's go."
3691
03:33:16,617 --> 03:33:18,494
That's badass.
3692
03:33:20,913 --> 03:33:22,915
It just comes together as a thrill ride.
3693
03:33:23,165 --> 03:33:27,211
It's a perfect slice of what
pulp does best.
3694
03:33:28,837 --> 03:33:32,625
one of the prime examples
of testosterone driven
3695
03:33:32,666 --> 03:33:36,628
badass sci fi.
3696
03:33:36,887 --> 03:33:38,580
Yeah.
3697
03:33:38,621 --> 03:33:40,621
You son of a bitch.
3698
03:33:47,645 --> 03:33:50,234
Spaceballs.
The movie.
3699
03:33:50,275 --> 03:33:51,752
The very first joke
3700
03:33:51,819 --> 03:33:56,573
of Spaceballs is its title,
and everything after that is just one
3701
03:33:56,657 --> 03:33:58,600
joke after another.
3702
03:33:58,641 --> 03:34:00,641
May the Schwartz be with you.
3703
03:34:01,565 --> 03:34:03,539
Adorable.
3704
03:34:03,580 --> 03:34:04,707
All of this stuff kicked off
3705
03:34:04,748 --> 03:34:07,125
with Star Wars, obviously,
the very first shot of Star Wars.
3706
03:34:08,669 --> 03:34:14,091
You see the spaceship and it just goes
on and on and on. So many movies like just
3707
03:34:14,132 --> 03:34:17,929
absolutely copied Star Wars and said,
we need the giant
3708
03:34:17,970 --> 03:34:21,265
biggest spaceship ever.
3709
03:34:24,393 --> 03:34:26,562
When you think it's over,
3710
03:34:27,813 --> 03:34:29,690
it's not over.
3711
03:34:32,192 --> 03:34:34,820
And then when you think it's over,
3712
03:34:36,154 --> 03:34:38,615
it's still not over.
3713
03:34:39,908 --> 03:34:45,205
Mel Brooks was able to take satire
and make it into a blockbuster.
3714
03:34:50,938 --> 03:34:52,922
Oh, no. Not again!
3715
03:34:52,963 --> 03:34:55,007
He honored the genre,
3716
03:34:55,048 --> 03:34:58,343
whether with History of the
World, Part 1, Blazing Saddles.
3717
03:34:58,719 --> 03:35:01,722
He was able to truly understand the genre
3718
03:35:01,972 --> 03:35:04,457
he was trying to make fun of.
3719
03:35:04,498 --> 03:35:07,498
Dear me, what are those
things coming out of her nose?
3720
03:35:08,979 --> 03:35:10,523
Highbrow jokes
3721
03:35:10,564 --> 03:35:15,068
that really invited you in
to intellectually
3722
03:35:15,277 --> 03:35:18,680
make fun of the world
we were currently living in.
3723
03:35:18,721 --> 03:35:20,721
Spaceballs!
3724
03:35:22,242 --> 03:35:23,369
Breaking that fourth,
3725
03:35:23,410 --> 03:35:27,205
fifth, sixth, seventh wall.
3726
03:35:30,060 --> 03:35:32,044
Uhm, he did it.
3727
03:35:32,085 --> 03:35:35,297
He's making fun of the commercials
that we're watching on TV.
3728
03:35:35,339 --> 03:35:38,759
He's making fun of what happens
when we eat that much fast food
3729
03:35:38,800 --> 03:35:42,746
and we become what we eat.
3730
03:35:42,787 --> 03:35:44,770
the notorious gangster
became locked in his car
3731
03:35:44,811 --> 03:35:46,058
and ate himself to death.
3732
03:35:46,099 --> 03:35:46,976
You satirize
3733
03:35:47,017 --> 03:35:50,605
what it means to be
a completely vain society
3734
03:35:50,646 --> 03:35:55,151
that wastes all of its natural
resources and then goes and tries
3735
03:35:55,192 --> 03:35:57,594
to take those resources
from another planet.
3736
03:35:57,635 --> 03:36:00,035
Suck! Suck!
3737
03:36:04,117 --> 03:36:05,161
In Spaceballs,
3738
03:36:05,202 --> 03:36:08,038
they talked about the
hilariousness of merchandizing.
3739
03:36:08,372 --> 03:36:11,041
I mean, that was how George Lucas
made all his money.
3740
03:36:11,083 --> 03:36:11,900
How did he know?
3741
03:36:11,941 --> 03:36:13,924
What is it that
you do here?
3742
03:36:13,965 --> 03:36:14,962
Merchandising.
3743
03:36:15,003 --> 03:36:16,589
Merchandising.
3744
03:36:16,630 --> 03:36:17,923
Where the real money from the -
3745
03:36:17,964 --> 03:36:19,547
- movie is made.
3746
03:36:19,588 --> 03:36:21,230
Spaceballs the lunchbox!
3747
03:36:21,271 --> 03:36:22,553
Spaceballs the breakfast cereal!
3748
03:36:22,594 --> 03:36:24,346
Spaceballs the flame thrower.
3749
03:36:24,680 --> 03:36:27,975
Flame thrower!
The kids love this one.
3750
03:36:28,016 --> 03:36:29,851
Mel was just nuts.
3751
03:36:32,229 --> 03:36:34,547
Dinks, first speaking role, by the way.
3752
03:36:34,588 --> 03:36:35,771
Dink Dink.
3753
03:36:35,812 --> 03:36:37,812
Dink Dink,
Dink Dink Dink Dink Dink Dink.
3754
03:36:38,235 --> 03:36:41,322
To this day, I don't know
what the Dinks really did.
3755
03:36:41,363 --> 03:36:42,153
I don't care.
3756
03:36:42,198 --> 03:36:44,891
I was working with John Candy.
3757
03:36:44,932 --> 03:36:46,915
I'm my own best friend.
3758
03:36:46,956 --> 03:36:48,329
Give me paw!
3759
03:36:48,370 --> 03:36:51,940
Bill Pullman, Daphne Zuniga.
3760
03:36:51,981 --> 03:36:53,964
He shot my hair!
3761
03:36:54,005 --> 03:36:56,005
Son of a bitch!
3762
03:36:57,963 --> 03:36:59,423
Shields and Yarnell.
3763
03:36:59,464 --> 03:37:03,050
Lorene Yarnell was the gold robot
that Joan Rivers voiced.
3764
03:37:03,091 --> 03:37:05,391
Will you turn that thing off?!
3765
03:37:06,315 --> 03:37:08,298
What?
3766
03:37:08,339 --> 03:37:10,339
What is it?
3767
03:37:10,475 --> 03:37:12,603
We were in on the joke
3768
03:37:12,644 --> 03:37:15,302
and it was peak Rick Moranis.
3769
03:37:15,343 --> 03:37:17,743
Oh, your helmet is so big!
3770
03:37:18,267 --> 03:37:20,267
Dark Helmet!
3771
03:37:25,991 --> 03:37:29,536
Michael Winslow has this unique talent.
3772
03:37:32,160 --> 03:37:34,160
And the creeps.
3773
03:37:35,250 --> 03:37:37,169
I'm sure there's more on
the cutting room floor.
3774
03:37:37,210 --> 03:37:39,671
There's no way there's not.
3775
03:37:40,047 --> 03:37:41,590
It shows how diverse
3776
03:37:41,631 --> 03:37:45,052
the cast was in their skills.
3777
03:37:46,720 --> 03:37:48,055
It feels like all
3778
03:37:48,096 --> 03:37:52,601
the worlds are just colliding in this one
little mini comedic universe
3779
03:37:52,809 --> 03:37:55,795
that we're all waiting for
Spaceballs II to come out for.
3780
03:37:55,836 --> 03:37:58,819
God willing we'll all meet
again in Spaceballs II:
3781
03:37:58,860 --> 03:38:00,860
The Search for More Money.
3782
03:38:00,942 --> 03:38:02,302
Still waiting.
3783
03:38:02,343 --> 03:38:05,326
Hello, my baby.
Hello, my honey.
3784
03:38:05,367 --> 03:38:07,367
Hello, my ragtime gal.
3785
03:38:12,700 --> 03:38:14,283
Dennis Quaid.
3786
03:38:14,324 --> 03:38:15,924
Martin Short.
3787
03:38:16,048 --> 03:38:19,031
Give yourself a shot
of adventure.
3788
03:38:19,072 --> 03:38:21,072
Innerspace.
3789
03:38:21,296 --> 03:38:24,216
Innerspace is about
technology gone awry.
3790
03:38:24,674 --> 03:38:27,303
The first person that can put someone
inside someone's body
3791
03:38:27,344 --> 03:38:29,554
and use them to kill them is the winner.
3792
03:38:32,140 --> 03:38:33,225
When Innerspace came to me,
3793
03:38:33,266 --> 03:38:36,937
it was a picture that
Peter Guber and John Peters owned.
3794
03:38:37,104 --> 03:38:38,230
And it was not a comedy.
3795
03:38:38,271 --> 03:38:39,565
It was a straight
3796
03:38:39,606 --> 03:38:43,193
spy movie with the plot of a guy who gets
shrunk down and put inside another guy.
3797
03:38:43,944 --> 03:38:48,323
I suggested diplomatically
that people would laugh at this idea,
3798
03:38:48,657 --> 03:38:50,242
and then they came back
and they had hired
3799
03:38:50,283 --> 03:38:53,870
Jeffrey Boam, who was a very good writer,
and he had come
3800
03:38:54,496 --> 03:38:57,333
to it with a different idea,
which was what would happen
3801
03:38:57,374 --> 03:39:00,544
if Dean Martin was shrunk down
and injected into Jerry Lewis.
3802
03:39:01,545 --> 03:39:05,091
And that was something that as a Martin
and Lewis fan of my youth,
3803
03:39:05,132 --> 03:39:08,301
I could certainly relate to,
and I said, "Yes, now this works.
3804
03:39:08,468 --> 03:39:09,762
"Now it's funny."
3805
03:39:09,803 --> 03:39:11,930
That's when Steven Spielberg
became involved.
3806
03:39:13,765 --> 03:39:17,893
When Fantastic Voyage was made,
it used the best technology.
3807
03:39:18,854 --> 03:39:21,273
Everything in it was
cutting edge for the time.
3808
03:39:24,401 --> 03:39:25,861
When we did Innerspace,
3809
03:39:25,902 --> 03:39:31,408
of course, the technology has improved
so much, and we've gone so far ahead
3810
03:39:31,449 --> 03:39:35,370
in leaps and bounds.
3811
03:39:35,871 --> 03:39:37,832
I loved all the practical stuff
3812
03:39:37,873 --> 03:39:39,107
in that movie.
3813
03:39:39,148 --> 03:39:40,731
Just relax, Jack.
3814
03:39:40,772 --> 03:39:42,253
Let's see what's going on in here.
3815
03:39:42,294 --> 03:39:44,547
And how realistic they looked
3816
03:39:44,588 --> 03:39:46,882
prior to the advent
of any sort of computer
3817
03:39:47,340 --> 03:39:48,408
graphics.
3818
03:39:48,449 --> 03:39:50,449
Entering Blood Street.
3819
03:39:55,348 --> 03:39:57,726
You know, things like him
flying through the bloodstream
3820
03:39:57,767 --> 03:40:01,188
with the red blood cells
or seeing out of
3821
03:40:01,229 --> 03:40:03,006
Martin Short's eyes.
3822
03:40:03,047 --> 03:40:05,047
Firing optic sensor.
3823
03:40:09,613 --> 03:40:11,115
And then you have the battle
inside the car
3824
03:40:11,156 --> 03:40:13,825
where there's a very clever use
of forced perspective.
3825
03:40:16,995 --> 03:40:18,364
If you're working
with Martin Short,
3826
03:40:18,405 --> 03:40:21,458
if you do ten takes, take ten is like
from a different movie than take one.
3827
03:40:21,541 --> 03:40:23,877
He likes to discover.
He likes to try new things.
3828
03:40:25,101 --> 03:40:29,101
Jack, you've just
digested the bad guy.
3829
03:40:30,592 --> 03:40:33,320
He and Dennis are never on screen together,
except at the very end.
3830
03:40:33,386 --> 03:40:35,139
But yet it wasn't going
to work to pre-record
3831
03:40:35,180 --> 03:40:37,682
Dennis's dialog,
or pre-record Martin's dialog.
3832
03:40:38,225 --> 03:40:40,477
So our sound guy, Ken King,
came up with an idea
3833
03:40:40,518 --> 03:40:42,729
that allowed them to talk to each other
during takes.
3834
03:40:42,771 --> 03:40:45,899
So whenever I did a scene with Marty,
Dennis would still be there off screen
3835
03:40:46,233 --> 03:40:50,178
and they could talk to each other
and they could improvise.
3836
03:40:50,219 --> 03:40:52,202
In here, inside you.
Inside your body!
3837
03:40:52,243 --> 03:40:54,226
Somebody help me!
3838
03:40:54,783 --> 03:40:56,267
I'm possessed!!!
3839
03:40:56,368 --> 03:40:59,955
one of the reasons that their relationship
in the movie works so well is
3840
03:40:59,996 --> 03:41:03,125
because it's actually a real relationship
that they were having
3841
03:41:03,166 --> 03:41:04,567
at the moment.
3842
03:41:04,608 --> 03:41:06,591
You have seen parts of my body
3843
03:41:06,632 --> 03:41:08,615
that I will never get to see.
3844
03:41:08,656 --> 03:41:10,656
Believe me, you're
not missing all that much.
3845
03:41:13,009 --> 03:41:16,763
I love my character in the film,
just a malevolent presence.
3846
03:41:16,972 --> 03:41:18,015
He didn't talk.
3847
03:41:18,056 --> 03:41:19,516
He was just there.
3848
03:41:23,061 --> 03:41:23,771
My hand,
3849
03:41:23,812 --> 03:41:26,815
I had a multitude of things,
which was kind of fun.
3850
03:41:28,525 --> 03:41:31,612
The gun, the flame thrower,
an automatic submachine gun,
3851
03:41:31,653 --> 03:41:36,241
which we don't see because that scene
was taken out of the film. And the sex toy.
3852
03:41:37,492 --> 03:41:39,494
Yeah, the sex toy.
3853
03:41:40,537 --> 03:41:42,747
Very quick, but you see it.
3854
03:41:44,040 --> 03:41:46,085
They had this rig that they put me in.
3855
03:41:46,126 --> 03:41:49,588
Then they lowered it down into the floor,
which is where I get
3856
03:41:49,629 --> 03:41:51,047
shrunk down.
3857
03:41:53,675 --> 03:41:56,094
I have a fear of claustrophobia.
3858
03:41:57,095 --> 03:42:00,390
I was sweating bullets,
really, hated it.
3859
03:42:06,146 --> 03:42:09,607
It went very smoothly, and everybody
liked the movie when they saw it.
3860
03:42:09,691 --> 03:42:11,191
And the only thing
that I will say,
3861
03:42:11,235 --> 03:42:13,695
that terrible ad campaign,
and so it didn't make any money.
3862
03:42:14,195 --> 03:42:17,699
But aside from that,
it was a great experience.
3863
03:42:21,430 --> 03:42:23,413
The future of law enforcement.
3864
03:42:23,454 --> 03:42:26,417
RoboCop.
3865
03:42:26,458 --> 03:42:29,503
RoboCop has all of those elements
3866
03:42:29,544 --> 03:42:32,630
that make greatness in cinema
and storytelling.
3867
03:42:33,965 --> 03:42:38,494
The fight for dignity,
the human condition at stake, humor.
3868
03:42:38,535 --> 03:42:40,535
I'd buy that for a dollar!
3869
03:42:42,390 --> 03:42:46,269
A slap in the face of society.
3870
03:42:48,146 --> 03:42:50,815
I called my agent and I said,
"They're changing his title, right?
3871
03:42:50,857 --> 03:42:52,609
"It's not going to be the title."
3872
03:42:52,650 --> 03:42:54,986
Who's going to go see
a movie called RoboCop?
3873
03:42:55,570 --> 03:42:58,114
Boy, was I wrong about that.
3874
03:42:59,157 --> 03:43:01,160
In the beginning, for me, was very weird,
3875
03:43:01,201 --> 03:43:05,121
because Peter Weller said to me,
"You have to call me RoboCop.
3876
03:43:05,914 --> 03:43:08,751
"You cannot call me Peter."
3877
03:43:08,792 --> 03:43:11,044
So there was already some tension,
you know?
3878
03:43:13,338 --> 03:43:15,673
The robo suit
ten hours later,
3879
03:43:16,383 --> 03:43:19,645
we're sitting there going,
oh my God.
3880
03:43:19,869 --> 03:43:21,180
He was so frustrated.
3881
03:43:21,221 --> 03:43:24,307
In fact, in the very first weeks,
there was a crisis.
3882
03:43:24,516 --> 03:43:27,727
They were thinking of
pulling the plug on on the film.
3883
03:43:29,020 --> 03:43:30,731
They literally had to assemble him.
3884
03:43:30,772 --> 03:43:33,366
It was like a toy, putting him
together with a screwdriver.
3885
03:43:34,859 --> 03:43:36,945
Every time I started feeling
sorry for myself,
3886
03:43:36,986 --> 03:43:40,782
I just looked at Peter,
who was in this big plastic thing.
3887
03:43:42,117 --> 03:43:43,786
And they got it down to about
3888
03:43:43,827 --> 03:43:45,895
three or four hours.
3889
03:43:45,936 --> 03:43:47,936
It's not as easy as it looks.
3890
03:43:48,915 --> 03:43:50,959
Rob Bottin's RoboCop.
3891
03:43:51,000 --> 03:43:54,588
It's RoboCop lore, the battles
he had with Paul Verhoeven
3892
03:43:54,629 --> 03:43:57,549
and I was there for many
of those battles in Rob's studio.
3893
03:43:59,008 --> 03:44:01,928
The way Rob sculpted that,
the way it was painted,
3894
03:44:01,970 --> 03:44:05,306
the finish on that machine,
it's a piece of art.
3895
03:44:07,786 --> 03:44:09,770
Drop it!
3896
03:44:09,811 --> 03:44:11,271
The shooting experience,
3897
03:44:11,312 --> 03:44:14,941
it was like this fast moving train,
and the film had that energy to it.
3898
03:44:15,024 --> 03:44:20,196
We felt so creative and we were so loose
with everything that was in the script.
3899
03:44:20,613 --> 03:44:24,492
I thought that it should have a different
style than American action movie,
3900
03:44:24,534 --> 03:44:28,913
that it should be partially light hearted,
that it should be a bit funny,
3901
03:44:29,038 --> 03:44:32,775
that you would be a bit amazed.
3902
03:44:32,816 --> 03:44:34,816
Can you fly, Bobby?
3903
03:44:36,838 --> 03:44:40,324
Clarence Boddicker,
he's having a great time.
3904
03:44:40,365 --> 03:44:41,510
Bitches leave.
3905
03:44:41,551 --> 03:44:44,037
He's this sociopath.
3906
03:44:44,078 --> 03:44:45,848
You probably don't think
I'm a very nice guy.
3907
03:44:45,889 --> 03:44:47,057
You can't get crazy with it
3908
03:44:47,098 --> 03:44:49,459
because he still has
to be taken seriously.
3909
03:44:49,500 --> 03:44:51,437
Cops don't like me.
3910
03:44:51,478 --> 03:44:52,813
With the language,
3911
03:44:52,854 --> 03:44:56,733
I kept adding things, especially F-bombs,
I was big on
3912
03:44:56,816 --> 03:44:58,860
throwing those
in all the time.
3913
03:44:58,901 --> 03:45:01,072
I don't want to fuck
with you, Sal.
3914
03:45:01,196 --> 03:45:02,655
Bad guys,
3915
03:45:02,822 --> 03:45:05,141
they never think they're bad.
3916
03:45:05,182 --> 03:45:07,765
This corporation will live up
to the guiding principles
3917
03:45:07,806 --> 03:45:10,606
of its founder:
courage, strength, conviction.
3918
03:45:11,456 --> 03:45:12,666
There is a vague
3919
03:45:12,707 --> 03:45:15,293
religious component to RoboCop,
3920
03:45:15,418 --> 03:45:19,964
of course, because I felt that
the death of Murphy
3921
03:45:20,131 --> 03:45:22,759
should be a crucifixion
because there was a resurrection.
3922
03:45:23,301 --> 03:45:25,512
That's why that scene
is extremely violent,
3923
03:45:25,762 --> 03:45:29,891
because crucifixion is one of the worst
punishments that you can imagine.
3924
03:45:31,351 --> 03:45:33,436
Paul grew up in World War II.
3925
03:45:34,020 --> 03:45:36,148
He saw real violence.
3926
03:45:36,189 --> 03:45:40,611
His whole concept of
the violence in RoboCop
3927
03:45:40,652 --> 03:45:44,448
is he wanted it to be so over
the top that you got the joke
3928
03:45:44,489 --> 03:45:46,265
immediately.
3929
03:45:46,306 --> 03:45:49,089
You have 20 seconds to comply.
3930
03:45:49,130 --> 03:45:52,230
I think you'd better
do what he says, Mr. Kinney.
3931
03:45:52,372 --> 03:45:54,500
Oddly enough, they cut it back so much so
3932
03:45:54,541 --> 03:45:58,461
that it finally got to where it was
right on the edge of what you could stand.
3933
03:46:00,838 --> 03:46:02,341
They made the violence
3934
03:46:02,382 --> 03:46:05,927
more egregious by doing it that way.
3935
03:46:06,010 --> 03:46:09,306
That's non-artistic
people trying to make decisions
3936
03:46:09,347 --> 03:46:12,809
that they have no business making.
3937
03:46:14,018 --> 03:46:16,897
ED-209 really wanted to emphasize
3938
03:46:16,938 --> 03:46:20,525
the stupidity of
American automobile design.
3939
03:46:20,692 --> 03:46:25,480
And so I proposed to Paul
that we build a full scale ED-209.
3940
03:46:30,577 --> 03:46:32,912
When ED falls down the stairs,
3941
03:46:33,288 --> 03:46:37,850
the sound effects was a baby pig's
getting their throat slit.
3942
03:46:44,382 --> 03:46:46,634
Shootouts, things blowing up.
3943
03:46:47,385 --> 03:46:50,556
It was a pretty active show.
3944
03:46:50,597 --> 03:46:52,765
Guns going off and car crashes,
3945
03:46:53,308 --> 03:46:55,435
it was pretty exciting.
3946
03:46:56,769 --> 03:46:59,105
one of the things that Nancy
3947
03:46:59,272 --> 03:47:03,235
and her character,
Louis were really responsible for,
3948
03:47:03,276 --> 03:47:07,597
within the movie, was bringing
RoboCop back to his humanity.
3949
03:47:07,638 --> 03:47:10,938
Murphy, it's you.
3950
03:47:11,576 --> 03:47:12,661
It really was about
3951
03:47:12,702 --> 03:47:17,081
the human connection that I had
with this part human character.
3952
03:47:17,415 --> 03:47:18,916
The soul was really still there.
3953
03:47:20,460 --> 03:47:24,922
Parable of loss of who are you
3954
03:47:25,465 --> 03:47:27,159
when that's gone.
3955
03:47:27,200 --> 03:47:29,700
Murphy had a wife and son.
What happened to them?
3956
03:47:30,845 --> 03:47:32,988
The scene when he
goes to his house
3957
03:47:33,029 --> 03:47:36,984
and it's empty,
it just made me almost cry,
3958
03:47:37,060 --> 03:47:39,503
and that's when I said,
this is a really good movie.
3959
03:47:39,544 --> 03:47:41,544
Can you do that, dad?
3960
03:47:45,610 --> 03:47:47,863
It's a sad frigging movie, man,
3961
03:47:47,904 --> 03:47:51,504
it is a poignantly sad, sad, though,
3962
03:47:51,575 --> 03:47:54,060
even at the end,
"What's your name, kid?" says Dan O'Herlihy.
3963
03:47:54,161 --> 03:47:55,018
"Murphy."
3964
03:47:55,078 --> 03:47:57,622
Okay, he's got something back, right?
3965
03:47:58,164 --> 03:48:00,617
But he doesn't have it back, man.
That's gone.
3966
03:48:00,750 --> 03:48:02,402
He's not a guy,
he's a machine.
3967
03:48:02,502 --> 03:48:04,529
What are they gonna do,
replace us?
3968
03:48:04,629 --> 03:48:05,922
I like when a good film
3969
03:48:05,963 --> 03:48:09,259
will present those ideas
and do it in a humorous way,
3970
03:48:09,300 --> 03:48:12,303
but enough that it gets your attention
and gets you to think about it.
3971
03:48:13,221 --> 03:48:15,474
RoboCop was urban dystopia.
3972
03:48:15,515 --> 03:48:17,850
I based it on elements that I saw.
3973
03:48:18,059 --> 03:48:23,981
Of course, it was happening in society
already, but were not visible yet.
3974
03:48:24,075 --> 03:48:28,122
But now we are here.
3975
03:48:28,163 --> 03:48:29,821
The power of its messages
trickle down
3976
03:48:29,862 --> 03:48:35,226
economics of the privatization of
the world and capitalism run amok.
3977
03:48:35,267 --> 03:48:37,267
Yes.
3978
03:48:39,622 --> 03:48:41,833
I was not aware of how long lasting
3979
03:48:41,874 --> 03:48:46,254
the social strata of RoboCop would last.
3980
03:48:46,295 --> 03:48:48,131
I don't know.
It's a one off man.
3981
03:48:48,172 --> 03:48:50,942
That movie is extraordinary.
3982
03:48:50,983 --> 03:48:53,866
Excuse me, Robo, any special message
for all the kids watching at home?
3983
03:48:53,907 --> 03:48:55,907
Stay out of trouble.
3984
03:49:04,999 --> 03:49:06,983
The Running Man.
3985
03:49:07,024 --> 03:49:11,429
What Running Man did.
It predated reality TV.
3986
03:49:11,470 --> 03:49:15,770
The Running Man:
America's favorite game show.
3987
03:49:17,243 --> 03:49:19,996
Running Man is kind of dead on to
3988
03:49:20,037 --> 03:49:24,375
what happened with reality TV,
only in the case of the Running Man,
3989
03:49:24,667 --> 03:49:29,839
the reality was termination,
which we have unfortunately not got to,
3990
03:49:29,964 --> 03:49:33,159
but I'll say yet.
3991
03:49:33,200 --> 03:49:35,200
It's time to start running!
3992
03:49:36,095 --> 03:49:39,849
Richard Dawson was your perfect
comedic bad guy.
3993
03:49:39,891 --> 03:49:42,668
He was just playing the role
he did on Family Feud.
3994
03:49:42,709 --> 03:49:45,509
Come on, let's play the Feud,
let's go.
3995
03:49:46,272 --> 03:49:48,283
It made perfect sense to me.
3996
03:49:48,324 --> 03:49:52,824
I'd like you to volunteer
to appear on tomorrow's broadcast.
3997
03:49:53,446 --> 03:49:55,365
Halfway through filming Predator,
3998
03:49:55,406 --> 03:49:58,869
Arnold came up to me on the set
and he said, "My next film this fall
3999
03:49:58,910 --> 03:50:02,271
is called The Running Man,
there's a part in there you're perfect for."
4000
03:50:02,312 --> 03:50:06,312
This is a sport of death and honor!
Code of the gladiators!
4001
03:50:06,918 --> 03:50:11,380
By the time my part got there,
they were on their third director.
4002
03:50:11,714 --> 03:50:14,593
Fortunately for me, that director was
4003
03:50:14,634 --> 03:50:16,511
Paul Michael Glaser.
4004
03:50:18,035 --> 03:50:21,635
Dave, here in the locker room,
there's a lot of excitement here.
4005
03:50:21,766 --> 03:50:23,560
Captain Freedom, my character
4006
03:50:23,601 --> 03:50:27,355
in Running Man,
he was the greatest stalker of all time,
4007
03:50:27,647 --> 03:50:31,484
and he got old and like all old stalkers,
4008
03:50:31,526 --> 03:50:33,453
he ends up with a microphone.
4009
03:50:33,553 --> 03:50:35,013
Are you ready for pain?
4010
03:50:35,113 --> 03:50:36,823
Are you ready for suffering?
4011
03:50:36,864 --> 03:50:39,951
Running Man was on the edge of technology
4012
03:50:40,201 --> 03:50:43,830
predicted in the movie
that has become reality today.
4013
03:50:44,455 --> 03:50:48,918
Maria Conchita goes into her apartment
and starts turning things on by voice.
4014
03:50:49,126 --> 03:50:51,422
Well, that's a common practice now.
4015
03:50:51,463 --> 03:50:55,963
Kitchen, toast and coffee.
ICS Channel one.
4016
03:50:57,426 --> 03:51:02,432
We've already reached the Running Man
stage of technology.
4017
03:51:02,473 --> 03:51:04,267
There's a very crude,
4018
03:51:04,308 --> 03:51:10,106
1980's style sort of digital frame to make
you think that one person is there
4019
03:51:10,147 --> 03:51:11,767
when in actuality,
it's someone else.
4020
03:51:11,867 --> 03:51:15,111
You'll never know the difference.
All right boys.
4021
03:51:15,152 --> 03:51:18,781
Running Man definitely predicted
deepfake technologies.
4022
03:51:19,073 --> 03:51:20,992
They created this phony fight.
4023
03:51:25,621 --> 03:51:26,540
Peter Kent,
4024
03:51:26,581 --> 03:51:29,584
I ended up fighting Peter
because Arnold wouldn't take a suplex.
4025
03:51:31,252 --> 03:51:34,964
He made Peter do it instead of him.
4026
03:51:35,006 --> 03:51:37,967
Let one out there, didn't I?
4027
03:51:41,888 --> 03:51:45,433
I'll always cherish this,
I get to go to my death
4028
03:51:45,808 --> 03:51:49,813
as being one of only a handful
of people who've ever killed
4029
03:51:49,854 --> 03:51:51,898
Arnold Schwarzenegger on screen.
4030
03:51:56,193 --> 03:51:59,155
Running Man was more to show how sick
4031
03:51:59,196 --> 03:52:03,702
I think we, a society,
can actually stoop to.
4032
03:52:03,743 --> 03:52:06,037
Entertainment knows no boundaries.
4033
03:52:06,454 --> 03:52:10,375
We don't give a damn what it is
as long as we get entertained by it
4034
03:52:10,416 --> 03:52:15,821
in the end, a pretty sick thing
to have sitting in our systems, isn't it?
4035
03:52:15,862 --> 03:52:17,845
I'll be back.
4036
03:52:17,886 --> 03:52:19,886
Only in a rerun.
4037
03:52:26,724 --> 03:52:29,436
We all know that the
hero's journey is fundamentally
4038
03:52:29,477 --> 03:52:34,274
a part of many stories and science fiction,
usually a single character
4039
03:52:34,315 --> 03:52:39,279
who is initiating some adventure,
some call to action,
4040
03:52:39,320 --> 03:52:43,849
and that there is this
tremendous transformation.
4041
03:52:43,890 --> 03:52:47,890
Father! The sleeper has awakened!
4042
03:52:49,705 --> 03:52:50,790
Where do I come from?
4043
03:52:50,831 --> 03:52:52,250
Why do I matter?
4044
03:52:52,291 --> 03:52:55,128
What can I do to contribute
to the universe
4045
03:52:55,169 --> 03:52:59,048
in a real, meaningful way?
When we connect to heroes,
4046
03:52:59,465 --> 03:53:01,467
Those are our ideal selves.
4047
03:53:03,511 --> 03:53:05,972
Flash Gordon, he's just a guy
4048
03:53:06,389 --> 03:53:09,017
he doesn't have any superpowers,
4049
03:53:09,058 --> 03:53:12,228
relies solely on his wit
and his athleticism.
4050
03:53:14,230 --> 03:53:15,398
They carry attributes
4051
03:53:15,439 --> 03:53:18,317
and features that we
want to see in ourselves.
4052
03:53:18,526 --> 03:53:23,657
Brave, courageous, taking risks,
being compassionate, being vulnerable,
4053
03:53:23,698 --> 03:53:28,703
intelligent. When we're
in these moments with these characters
4054
03:53:28,786 --> 03:53:33,499
feeling the fear,
the phobia, the desperation,
4055
03:53:33,749 --> 03:53:36,318
sometimes even grief.
4056
03:53:36,359 --> 03:53:38,359
Why not make me an offer?
4057
03:53:39,213 --> 03:53:41,132
We all need to see the hero
4058
03:53:41,173 --> 03:53:43,342
have those things to relate to them.
4059
03:53:44,885 --> 03:53:47,847
Alex is essentially a very reluctant hero.
4060
03:53:47,888 --> 03:53:49,388
I mean, I would say
a coward, really.
4061
03:53:49,432 --> 03:53:50,972
There's been a big mistake.
4062
03:53:51,017 --> 03:53:53,586
Am I to understand you're actually
declining the honor
4063
03:53:53,686 --> 03:53:56,164
- of being a Starfighter?
- You got it.
4064
03:53:56,731 --> 03:53:58,817
- "What are you, a coward?"
- Are you a coward?
4065
03:53:58,858 --> 03:54:00,110
Which I found very believable.
4066
03:54:00,151 --> 03:54:03,113
We also come to learn
that heroic actions do
4067
03:54:03,154 --> 03:54:07,742
not have to be huge,
extraordinary broad things,
4068
03:54:08,159 --> 03:54:12,187
they can be small,
very meaningful actions.
4069
03:54:12,228 --> 03:54:15,828
It is illogical for you to perform
this energy pack transplant. Oy.
4070
03:54:17,293 --> 03:54:19,129
I like unsung heroes.
4071
03:54:19,170 --> 03:54:21,839
I like the people who
nobody ever talks about.
4072
03:54:22,863 --> 03:54:26,763
Hold him in the security tower.
Keep it quiet. Move.
4073
03:54:28,345 --> 03:54:32,475
If you boil down the classics
as we know them, Empire Strikes Back,
4074
03:54:32,600 --> 03:54:38,606
E.T., The Terminator,
what unites them all is humanity.
4075
03:54:39,065 --> 03:54:43,444
And is the way that the directors
and the writers create character
4076
03:54:43,861 --> 03:54:44,846
that's accessible.
4077
03:54:44,946 --> 03:54:48,658
When you're gotten past the energy shield,
proceed directly to the rendezvous point.
4078
03:54:48,783 --> 03:54:51,327
Women like Princess Leia,
4079
03:54:51,452 --> 03:54:54,580
like Vasquez, like Sarah Connor.
4080
03:54:56,082 --> 03:54:57,667
They're empowered.
4081
03:54:57,708 --> 03:54:59,835
They make decisions
that other people don't like.
4082
03:55:00,127 --> 03:55:02,279
They take initiative, they take control.
4083
03:55:02,320 --> 03:55:04,320
You're terminated, fucker.
4084
03:55:07,051 --> 03:55:10,930
We needed to have that as young women.
4085
03:55:13,224 --> 03:55:17,235
Lewis, I received so much
mail from young girls
4086
03:55:17,561 --> 03:55:20,523
that just loved this character.
4087
03:55:21,649 --> 03:55:25,402
I made them feel powerful.
4088
03:55:27,107 --> 03:55:29,491
You just stay away from me, Bishop.
You got that straight?
4089
03:55:29,532 --> 03:55:31,284
These are characters
4090
03:55:31,325 --> 03:55:34,245
that the audience can relate to.
4091
03:55:34,912 --> 03:55:39,792
It was very encouraging for young girls
that they could accomplish
4092
03:55:40,501 --> 03:55:45,005
these things that may traditionally
have been left to the guys to do.
4093
03:55:48,217 --> 03:55:50,345
Many of us are drawn to the anti-hero.
4094
03:55:50,386 --> 03:55:55,266
There are aspects within them
that maybe fulfill some of our desires.
4095
03:55:55,516 --> 03:55:59,503
This concept of rule
breaking and nonconformity.
4096
03:55:59,544 --> 03:56:02,044
I have come here to chew
bubble gum and kick ass.
4097
03:56:04,024 --> 03:56:05,235
Something snarling
4098
03:56:05,276 --> 03:56:08,404
about those characters
that anti-establishment.
4099
03:56:08,445 --> 03:56:09,822
It's a different attitude.
4100
03:56:09,947 --> 03:56:11,525
Yes, I bet you have.
4101
03:56:11,866 --> 03:56:14,268
If we think about Han, Max.
4102
03:56:14,309 --> 03:56:15,954
I'm just here for the gasoline.
4103
03:56:15,995 --> 03:56:16,954
Snake.
4104
03:56:16,995 --> 03:56:18,414
Get a new President.
4105
03:56:18,455 --> 03:56:22,752
Selfishness is there,
that sense of wanting to do
4106
03:56:22,793 --> 03:56:25,004
what's best for them is there.
4107
03:56:25,045 --> 03:56:28,716
And yet somewhere
in that rugged individuality,
4108
03:56:28,757 --> 03:56:32,619
somewhere in that stubbornness is a heart.
4109
03:56:32,660 --> 03:56:36,660
I'll chase him down the moons of Nibia
and 'round the Antares
4110
03:56:38,784 --> 03:56:42,884
Maelstrom and 'round Perdition's flames
before I give him up.
4111
03:56:43,314 --> 03:56:45,941
We connect to so many villains.
4112
03:56:46,275 --> 03:56:49,695
They're fascinating,
they're alluring, they're different.
4113
03:56:50,029 --> 03:56:52,615
I'm supposed to hate
or despise the villain,
4114
03:56:52,781 --> 03:56:55,809
but I actually feel connected
to them. Why?
4115
03:56:55,850 --> 03:56:59,850
If only you could see what
I have seen with your eyes.
4116
03:57:00,831 --> 03:57:04,943
I had no idea of the power of Ursa.
4117
03:57:04,984 --> 03:57:06,984
I have powers beyond
reason here.
4118
03:57:09,882 --> 03:57:12,176
There's a real outlet
4119
03:57:12,259 --> 03:57:15,512
for bad behavior in these villains.
4120
03:57:15,846 --> 03:57:20,083
There's a vicarious indulgence
in rooting for the villain.
4121
03:57:20,124 --> 03:57:22,724
Ooh, guns, guns, guns!
4122
03:57:22,853 --> 03:57:24,422
And I think
that's a safe way
4123
03:57:24,522 --> 03:57:28,400
to be close to evil, destruction,
bad behavior, and know,
4124
03:57:28,817 --> 03:57:32,106
that's ultimately not what I'm about at
the end of the day.
4125
03:57:32,840 --> 03:57:35,750
To be a good villain you had to
believe you were the good guy.
4126
03:57:36,450 --> 03:57:40,079
Once you believe you're the villain,
then suddenly you become stereotypical
4127
03:57:40,120 --> 03:57:42,481
of everything that everybody
wants a villain to be.
4128
03:57:42,522 --> 03:57:44,522
Take that program
to the holding pit!
4129
03:57:45,000 --> 03:57:46,085
Part of humanity
4130
03:57:46,126 --> 03:57:50,714
is acknowledging that we're not all good
and all perfect, that we have elements
4131
03:57:50,756 --> 03:57:53,550
of destruction, we make mistakes, that's
4132
03:57:53,926 --> 03:57:55,770
human psychology.
4133
03:57:55,811 --> 03:57:59,211
There will come a day when I'll
show all of you! Don't you forget it!
4134
03:58:00,391 --> 03:58:04,103
Seeing these characters overcome adversity
4135
03:58:04,436 --> 03:58:09,442
gives us really important suggestions for
our own lives and our own behaviors.
4136
03:58:09,650 --> 03:58:10,908
No, Biff.
4137
03:58:11,094 --> 03:58:12,846
You leave her alone.
4138
03:58:12,987 --> 03:58:13,905
Is there anything
4139
03:58:13,946 --> 03:58:17,575
from this narrative that I feel inspired by,
that maybe I could do.
4140
03:58:17,616 --> 03:58:22,621
And what is it like to overcome
something that seems insurmountable?
4141
03:58:42,289 --> 03:58:44,289
I don't want you to think
Earth girls are easy.
4142
03:58:44,813 --> 03:58:46,813
Earth Girls Are Easy.
4143
03:58:48,314 --> 03:58:49,399
Earth Girls Are Easy
4144
03:58:49,440 --> 03:58:51,859
was like an MTV musical.
4145
03:58:57,448 --> 03:58:58,574
It is a provocative title,
4146
03:58:58,615 --> 03:59:03,704
but the idea is that girls are complex
and you have to be open to changing
4147
03:59:03,996 --> 03:59:05,840
what you think is going to make you happy.
4148
03:59:05,998 --> 03:59:09,736
I need surprises.
I need romance.
4149
03:59:09,836 --> 03:59:13,464
I mean, how long has it been
since you said, "I love you"...
4150
03:59:13,631 --> 03:59:15,632
The original original idea came from--
4151
03:59:15,841 --> 03:59:17,968
You remember those
National Enquirer stories?
4152
03:59:18,427 --> 03:59:22,139
I saw one where this woman said
an alien came in through the doggy door
4153
03:59:22,264 --> 03:59:24,683
and she had sex with him.
4154
03:59:25,893 --> 03:59:29,171
We thought that was hilarious.
4155
03:59:29,212 --> 03:59:31,212
Hey, come on everybody!
We're doing a makeover.
4156
03:59:33,984 --> 03:59:36,612
I thought the whole thing
should be a break into song musical.
4157
03:59:37,654 --> 03:59:40,824
Charlie Coffey, my writing partner
and I, we proceeded to write,
4158
03:59:41,158 --> 03:59:44,912
I don't know, 25 drafts,
the reality of it was much different
4159
03:59:45,245 --> 03:59:47,081
when they finally landed on Julien Temple,
4160
03:59:47,122 --> 03:59:51,418
they sent me his movie Absolute Beginners
a break into song musical.
4161
03:59:57,966 --> 04:00:00,219
So I thought, Oh my God, this is perfect.
4162
04:00:00,427 --> 04:00:04,182
Once Julien got attached,
they realized the budget was going to be
4163
04:00:04,223 --> 04:00:09,937
this certain amount, and I wasn't
a big enough name to warrant that amount.
4164
04:00:10,145 --> 04:00:13,816
So I went in
and pitched me as the second lead.
4165
04:00:14,024 --> 04:00:17,945
And they went for it, but I was like,
so freaking
4166
04:00:18,320 --> 04:00:21,490
depressed about it and angry.
4167
04:00:21,657 --> 04:00:23,700
I've had to come to terms
with Earth Girls.
4168
04:00:25,452 --> 04:00:28,330
Geena Davis and Jeff Goldblum,
they're both really nice.
4169
04:00:28,372 --> 04:00:30,458
It came as a package deal.
4170
04:00:30,499 --> 04:00:34,003
They were so in love
and they were making out on the set
4171
04:00:34,044 --> 04:00:37,047
all the time, and I found it irritating
4172
04:00:37,256 --> 04:00:40,718
because I was like, "This is my movie.
4173
04:00:40,759 --> 04:00:43,929
"We must take this seriously."
4174
04:00:49,893 --> 04:00:52,380
The aliens, we thought
it would be really funny
4175
04:00:52,480 --> 04:00:55,065
if they were hairy
when they first showed up.
4176
04:01:00,696 --> 04:01:02,865
Not recognizable as cute boys.
4177
04:01:06,586 --> 04:01:09,005
Shit, Valerie!
Those are aliens!
4178
04:01:09,079 --> 04:01:13,041
And that there'd be this transformation.
4179
04:01:15,502 --> 04:01:17,255
When they suggested Jim Carrey
4180
04:01:17,296 --> 04:01:20,382
to me, for Whiplock,
it was the craziest of the aliens.
4181
04:01:21,133 --> 04:01:24,971
He has this like not quite human quality
4182
04:01:25,012 --> 04:01:26,906
that he does on stage.
4183
04:01:26,947 --> 04:01:29,947
You won't be seeing much
more physical humor on my show.
4184
04:01:33,937 --> 04:01:35,690
There was a big search for that part.
4185
04:01:35,731 --> 04:01:38,025
I mean, I feel like
we're very lucky that he did it.
4186
04:01:38,849 --> 04:01:40,849
I'm going home with him.
4187
04:01:42,673 --> 04:01:44,657
Bitch.
4188
04:01:44,698 --> 04:01:46,284
Damon Wayans is willing
4189
04:01:46,325 --> 04:01:50,037
to sort of do anything.
4190
04:01:50,913 --> 04:01:52,248
The aliens themselves
4191
04:01:52,289 --> 04:01:55,376
didn't have any kind of racism,
4192
04:01:55,417 --> 04:01:58,420
we thought that was very cool.
4193
04:01:59,463 --> 04:02:02,216
It very much captures '80s
4194
04:02:02,549 --> 04:02:07,971
valley specifically, and, you know,
they use the observatory as the Disco.
4195
04:02:10,682 --> 04:02:12,960
I would have loved
if there was more Valley landmarks
4196
04:02:13,060 --> 04:02:14,895
that were in there
that are gone now.
4197
04:02:14,937 --> 04:02:17,981
It really has this
time capsule quality of the '80s.
4198
04:02:20,275 --> 04:02:21,819
Love comes in
4199
04:02:21,860 --> 04:02:25,489
many forms and many shapes, right,
and it could be an alien from space,
4200
04:02:25,697 --> 04:02:28,700
something that is very relevant
and means something to me,
4201
04:02:29,034 --> 04:02:31,828
especially with,
you know, all my gay friends.
4202
04:02:32,120 --> 04:02:34,373
The thing is, Earth girls
really are not easy,
4203
04:02:34,581 --> 04:02:37,501
but if she just took her vision
and changed it a little,
4204
04:02:38,210 --> 04:02:41,488
the perfect man did show up.
4205
04:02:41,529 --> 04:02:43,512
Sounds like you have two hearts.
4206
04:02:43,553 --> 04:02:46,053
- Yes. Don't you?
- No.
4207
04:02:57,248 --> 04:02:59,232
Akira.
4208
04:02:59,273 --> 04:03:02,150
A government experiment that creates
4209
04:03:02,359 --> 04:03:08,782
super humans who are so powerful
their thoughts can destroy everything.
4210
04:03:10,993 --> 04:03:14,537
Akira in the late '80s was
one of the first Japanese
4211
04:03:14,871 --> 04:03:19,085
anime things that came to the States
that people started to appreciate
4212
04:03:19,126 --> 04:03:22,296
and realize
how big this stuff is in Japan.
4213
04:03:22,504 --> 04:03:24,548
Like, it's not just Saturday
morning cartoons.
4214
04:03:25,299 --> 04:03:27,176
It was a big, big movie.
4215
04:03:27,217 --> 04:03:29,511
I think Akira kind of opened
that door in America.
4216
04:03:31,805 --> 04:03:32,765
Before I was aware
4217
04:03:32,806 --> 04:03:35,810
of Akira, I was a fan of
Japanese animation,
4218
04:03:35,851 --> 04:03:39,855
I really loved Battle of the Planets
and Macross and Robotech.
4219
04:03:39,980 --> 04:03:42,566
These are all cartoons
I watched after school.
4220
04:03:42,899 --> 04:03:46,862
When I was at a convention
and I saw the artwork for Akira on a VHS,
4221
04:03:46,903 --> 04:03:49,156
I thought, wow, cool, a movie.
4222
04:03:51,366 --> 04:03:53,702
And we put it in and what we had
4223
04:03:53,994 --> 04:03:56,997
was a third or fourth generation bootleg.
4224
04:03:57,748 --> 04:04:00,042
And it was all in Japanese.
4225
04:04:00,083 --> 04:04:02,169
It was not subtitled or dubbed.
4226
04:04:02,461 --> 04:04:04,671
We had no idea what the story was.
4227
04:04:07,215 --> 04:04:09,343
The animation was so compelling.
4228
04:04:09,551 --> 04:04:12,513
We just knew that this was amazing
and Earth shaking
4229
04:04:12,554 --> 04:04:14,765
and was unlike anything we had ever seen.
4230
04:04:17,559 --> 04:04:21,689
It's about Tetsuo's friends
trying to save him,
4231
04:04:21,730 --> 04:04:24,941
even when they realize that the way to
save him is to destroy him.
4232
04:04:32,991 --> 04:04:34,910
I've only been to Tokyo once,
4233
04:04:34,951 --> 04:04:39,206
and my overwhelming impression of it
was that Tokyo is just on top of you.
4234
04:04:39,247 --> 04:04:41,667
You can't move.
In Neo Tokyo,
4235
04:04:41,708 --> 04:04:43,044
they've rebuilt Tokyo
4236
04:04:43,085 --> 04:04:46,755
and actually expanded some of the highways
and giving it more space.
4237
04:04:47,881 --> 04:04:52,094
Akira is the very first time I ever saw
one of those shots,
4238
04:04:52,302 --> 04:04:55,848
incredible motorbike coming at you
and starting that power slide
4239
04:04:55,889 --> 04:04:58,141
like what seems like
hundreds of feet away.
4240
04:04:59,976 --> 04:05:01,354
It's the visual Wilhelm Scream
4241
04:05:01,395 --> 04:05:04,607
of anime,
it has to be in every anime,
4242
04:05:04,648 --> 04:05:08,694
and all of that was hand
animated and hand painted.
4243
04:05:09,444 --> 04:05:13,031
That was just jaw dropping to me.
4244
04:05:18,662 --> 04:05:21,206
I finally did see Akira in English,
4245
04:05:21,331 --> 04:05:24,584
and it's even better than what
I thought it was as a kid.
4246
04:05:36,508 --> 04:05:38,991
Hi, kids! It's me,
Ronald McDonald.
4247
04:05:39,032 --> 04:05:42,315
And I'm on the set of my
very first motion picture ever.
4248
04:05:42,356 --> 04:05:44,271
It's a movie called
Mac and Me.
4249
04:05:44,312 --> 04:05:47,107
Mac and Me is the Kirkland E.T.
4250
04:05:48,442 --> 04:05:52,946
There is an entire generation of
people who only know Mac and Me
4251
04:05:53,196 --> 04:05:56,992
because Paul Rudd shows a
scene from Mac and Me
4252
04:05:57,033 --> 04:06:00,203
on Conan O'Brien every time he goes
there to promote a movie.
4253
04:06:00,495 --> 04:06:04,332
I get a phone call and it's this guy
that I've never met.
4254
04:06:05,125 --> 04:06:09,755
And he said, "I have a film
that I want you to direct and write.
4255
04:06:09,963 --> 04:06:15,552
"It's a lot like E.T., but I want to do it
with a family, with an actual person,
4256
04:06:15,635 --> 04:06:19,097
"with a spina bifida condition."
4257
04:06:20,932 --> 04:06:22,560
We didn't steal anything from him,
4258
04:06:22,601 --> 04:06:26,480
it was just a concept
to have an alien creature,
4259
04:06:26,730 --> 04:06:30,860
so I need the prototype aliens,
big big eyes, nothing like E.T.
4260
04:06:30,901 --> 04:06:33,028
and animated and cute.
4261
04:06:33,320 --> 04:06:34,721
It's for kids.
4262
04:06:34,822 --> 04:06:37,074
- Can we go there and watch?
- No way!
4263
04:06:37,115 --> 04:06:39,118
The lead boy, Jade Calegory,
4264
04:06:39,159 --> 04:06:44,063
he was exactly what we want, and he could
act and he was wonderful in the movie.
4265
04:06:44,104 --> 04:06:46,104
Please? I won't anybody
hurt you.
4266
04:06:49,795 --> 04:06:50,713
It was fun to make
4267
04:06:50,754 --> 04:06:55,425
the film, but it was extremely limiting
because the creature
4268
04:06:55,509 --> 04:06:58,220
is really a puppet on cables.
4269
04:06:58,845 --> 04:07:01,681
Everything was time consuming,
4270
04:07:01,890 --> 04:07:03,642
but it worked.
4271
04:07:05,644 --> 04:07:08,647
He's so wholesome in his element.
4272
04:07:09,147 --> 04:07:12,026
They were both very cute together.
4273
04:07:12,067 --> 04:07:15,111
But it's all done
on the level of children.
4274
04:07:15,654 --> 04:07:18,573
It's a whole different world
when you're writing for kids.
4275
04:07:21,910 --> 04:07:24,455
It was a charitable endeavor.
4276
04:07:24,496 --> 04:07:27,124
The producer is a man
that worked for McDonald's,
4277
04:07:27,165 --> 04:07:30,585
who is this big, main supplier,
a multimillionaire.
4278
04:07:30,836 --> 04:07:35,090
He was probably,
you know, polishing his own look
4279
04:07:35,423 --> 04:07:39,219
by making a film and giving
all of the money to this company.
4280
04:07:40,804 --> 04:07:42,473
Everything is a deal
4281
04:07:42,514 --> 04:07:45,976
behind films because films just cost
way too much money to make.
4282
04:07:47,060 --> 04:07:49,897
Well, the Ronald McDonald
actor in the film
4283
04:07:49,938 --> 04:07:53,525
was the one that was actually on TV
in all the commercials.
4284
04:07:54,025 --> 04:07:55,861
It was a crossover of perfection.
4285
04:07:59,656 --> 04:08:01,992
We have this building that
they're giving us.
4286
04:08:02,409 --> 04:08:05,078
We have as many dances
as we can put in there.
4287
04:08:05,370 --> 04:08:07,873
That's how it was created.
4288
04:08:09,124 --> 04:08:10,334
One of the dancers
4289
04:08:10,375 --> 04:08:13,753
in that background,
which we shot was Jennifer Aniston.
4290
04:08:14,170 --> 04:08:15,964
Can you believe that?
4291
04:08:17,841 --> 04:08:21,177
Nobody paid tribute to this producer
4292
04:08:21,636 --> 04:08:26,474
than made a whole movie
to help people who were handicapped
4293
04:08:26,725 --> 04:08:30,270
have more presence in the film business,
and it destroyed the kid.
4294
04:08:30,353 --> 04:08:33,773
He did it because he wanted to show
the people that couldn't move
4295
04:08:33,899 --> 04:08:36,610
except in a wheelchair
could do all this stuff.
4296
04:08:37,319 --> 04:08:41,072
So then Paul Rudd comes along
and he sticks out this whole scene
4297
04:08:41,615 --> 04:08:45,035
with Jade losing control of his wheelchair
4298
04:08:45,076 --> 04:08:47,454
and flying off a cliff.
4299
04:08:52,167 --> 04:08:55,612
He did it year after year after year,
4300
04:08:55,712 --> 04:08:59,341
he has single-handedly
kept that movie alive.
4301
04:08:59,758 --> 04:09:04,096
I would love to sit down with him
and write a sequel
4302
04:09:04,137 --> 04:09:07,682
to that movie with him
starring in it with this creature.
4303
04:09:08,725 --> 04:09:11,403
My wife's always saying
we should call Paul Rudd.
4304
04:09:22,948 --> 04:09:27,702
Sometimes science fiction
holds an obligation
4305
04:09:28,328 --> 04:09:31,957
to give messages and even commentary
4306
04:09:32,207 --> 04:09:36,127
about our social systems.
4307
04:09:36,188 --> 04:09:38,172
Alien Nation.
4308
04:09:38,213 --> 04:09:39,924
Alien Nation was tackling
4309
04:09:39,965 --> 04:09:42,283
themes of racism and segregation.
4310
04:09:42,324 --> 04:09:45,724
At least I'm a detective,
not some outer shit space thing.
4311
04:09:45,804 --> 04:09:47,097
Not very subtle metaphor.
4312
04:09:47,181 --> 04:09:48,824
Their ship was a slave ship,
4313
04:09:48,891 --> 04:09:52,913
washed ashore on Earth, with no way
to get back to where they came from.
4314
04:09:52,978 --> 04:09:55,772
They are immigrants
who have ended up in L.A.
4315
04:09:56,189 --> 04:09:58,567
a lot of the time doing the menial jobs.
4316
04:09:58,608 --> 04:10:00,694
So it's a kind of it's
a look at the way L.A.
4317
04:10:00,735 --> 04:10:01,945
works.
4318
04:10:02,904 --> 04:10:06,450
Alien Nation is basically
a science fiction version
4319
04:10:06,491 --> 04:10:09,037
of a buddy cop movie.
4320
04:10:09,078 --> 04:10:10,788
Change your mind?
4321
04:10:10,829 --> 04:10:12,998
two mismatched cops
come together to solve a crime,
4322
04:10:13,039 --> 04:10:15,191
well known trope
by this point in the '80s.
4323
04:10:15,232 --> 04:10:17,232
Hey, nice signal dickhead!
4324
04:10:17,877 --> 04:10:21,256
The film stars James Caan
as the human cop, Matt Sykes.
4325
04:10:21,507 --> 04:10:24,826
And Mandy Patinkin as his alien counterpart,
George Francisco.
4326
04:10:24,867 --> 04:10:28,555
My true name is Stangya-Sorenz-Ahhhh.
4327
04:10:28,639 --> 04:10:30,551
- Sorenz-ah. Well, gesundheit.
- Thank you.
4328
04:10:30,592 --> 04:10:31,475
I'll call you George.
4329
04:10:31,516 --> 04:10:34,411
Terence Stamp plays
the newcomer, the villain in the film.
4330
04:10:34,452 --> 04:10:36,935
You move one finger and
you're history, you hear me?
4331
04:10:36,976 --> 04:10:38,976
Not history. Eternity!
4332
04:10:41,151 --> 04:10:42,152
Gale Anne Hurd.
4333
04:10:42,193 --> 04:10:46,531
She didn't want to be seen just as James
Cameron's producer, she wanted to say,
4334
04:10:46,614 --> 04:10:50,452
actually, I do my own things.
And that's where Alien Nation comes in.
4335
04:10:50,702 --> 04:10:54,498
It has the feel of the Terminator,
it has a feel of that
4336
04:10:54,539 --> 04:10:57,751
look the way that Cameron
went about science fiction.
4337
04:10:58,975 --> 04:11:00,975
Where's the drug?
4338
04:11:01,046 --> 04:11:04,174
Bring the science to the contemporary.
4339
04:11:04,215 --> 04:11:07,344
Bring it to the current city
and that idea that Los Angeles
4340
04:11:07,385 --> 04:11:10,305
is an essential character
in the whole piece.
4341
04:11:12,098 --> 04:11:16,687
Initially, when Stan Winston
and his team got that job,
4342
04:11:16,728 --> 04:11:20,815
they were hoping to make the aliens
a little less humanoid.
4343
04:11:20,982 --> 04:11:22,609
Some of his team were looking at the
4344
04:11:22,650 --> 04:11:26,488
Louis Gossett Jr. character in Enemy Mine
as inspiration for where they could go
4345
04:11:26,654 --> 04:11:30,367
But in the end, and I believe wisely so,
the filmmakers said, no,
4346
04:11:30,408 --> 04:11:34,746
we want them to be closer to human
to really play up that theme of
4347
04:11:34,996 --> 04:11:36,623
we're similar in the end, right?
4348
04:11:36,664 --> 04:11:37,857
So why these differences?
4349
04:11:37,898 --> 04:11:40,981
Yeah, I mean, it's made of rubber,
it's stretches, right?
4350
04:11:41,022 --> 04:11:43,022
And still it fits?
4351
04:11:43,838 --> 04:11:46,132
This genre has always
4352
04:11:46,299 --> 04:11:53,139
been about the expansion of our ideas
and how we relate to one another.
4353
04:11:53,348 --> 04:11:56,310
Our social elements, our
social structure, even elements
4354
04:11:56,351 --> 04:12:01,047
that we should be more mindful of
and even dismantle.
4355
04:12:01,088 --> 04:12:03,571
So why do we have to take them?
Why can't they go to Russia
4356
04:12:03,612 --> 04:12:06,012
- or some place like that.
- I'll drink to that.
4357
04:12:06,111 --> 04:12:07,112
Alien Nation
4358
04:12:07,153 --> 04:12:10,115
thrived later, when it was
redeveloped for television.
4359
04:12:10,657 --> 04:12:13,952
That's when the themes that we talk about
are in your face every week,
4360
04:12:13,993 --> 04:12:17,164
and the show becomes an allegory
for all of these topical stories
4361
04:12:17,205 --> 04:12:19,916
that are still resonating today.
4362
04:12:30,400 --> 04:12:33,900
Where do you go looking
for a Cherry 2000?
4363
04:12:35,473 --> 04:12:39,144
A post-apocalyptic world
that has this kind of
4364
04:12:39,185 --> 04:12:43,439
technological utopia that is very similar
to what we find ourselves in today.
4365
04:12:43,481 --> 04:12:45,150
You know, everything's
kind of taken care of
4366
04:12:45,191 --> 04:12:49,321
and yet there's a whole underworld
just barely getting by and getting by
4367
04:12:49,362 --> 04:12:53,516
in the most ingenious
and sort of violent and horrible ways.
4368
04:12:53,557 --> 04:12:55,557
- Where you from, mister?
- Anaheim.
4369
04:13:00,331 --> 04:13:01,667
It really is
4370
04:13:01,708 --> 04:13:04,419
a little scary in
its visionary aspects.
4371
04:13:04,794 --> 04:13:08,464
Most of the world
has given up on relationships.
4372
04:13:08,673 --> 04:13:13,386
So if you had your domestic mate
at Cherry 2000, which was the epitome
4373
04:13:13,803 --> 04:13:16,723
of what you would want,
you know, if it breaks, you can't get it
4374
04:13:16,764 --> 04:13:20,226
fixed in the current world,
so you have to go out into zone 7.
4375
04:13:21,350 --> 04:13:23,333
She's a Cherry 2000.
4376
04:13:23,374 --> 04:13:26,733
I want you to go into zone 7,
and get me one just like her.
4377
04:13:26,774 --> 04:13:29,903
A director just fell out,
I found out later it was Irv Kershner,
4378
04:13:30,069 --> 04:13:32,780
and they were desperate
to get somebody and go shoot.
4379
04:13:33,489 --> 04:13:36,618
I read 20 pages
and it was brilliant, weird stuff,
4380
04:13:36,743 --> 04:13:39,287
so I jumped on Cherry,
which was a moving train.
4381
04:13:41,581 --> 04:13:43,917
Melanie Griffith, she just had a baby.
4382
04:13:43,958 --> 04:13:47,003
So it was a very tough shoot,
she really had to endure a lot.
4383
04:13:49,672 --> 04:13:52,885
There's a little Easter egg in the robot
repair thing where
4384
04:13:52,926 --> 04:13:57,472
Sam Treadwell, played by David
Andrews, goes to see a robot repair
4385
04:13:57,513 --> 04:14:01,852
guy, and I put Robby the robot
and Gort in there, at my expense,
4386
04:14:01,893 --> 04:14:05,939
it was out of my little director's slush fund.
Forbidden Planet is
4387
04:14:05,980 --> 04:14:10,485
probably the first movie of the sci
fi genre that really influenced me.
4388
04:14:10,526 --> 04:14:12,511
So it was giving back to that.
4389
04:14:12,552 --> 04:14:15,552
I am monitored to respond
to the name Robby.
4390
04:14:19,994 --> 04:14:23,164
We shot in every toxic location in Nevada
4391
04:14:23,498 --> 04:14:26,585
inside Hoover Dam, electromagnetic forces
4392
04:14:26,626 --> 04:14:30,713
in the spillways and radiation zones
4393
04:14:31,214 --> 04:14:33,716
concocted some crazy, over-the-top
4394
04:14:33,800 --> 04:14:36,261
RPG fights and things like that.
4395
04:14:37,262 --> 04:14:39,348
The one big set piece with the magnet
4396
04:14:39,389 --> 04:14:41,391
in the Mustang.
4397
04:14:43,559 --> 04:14:45,603
You'd never do it today,
it would all be CGI.
4398
04:14:50,900 --> 04:14:51,902
It's a real stunt
4399
04:14:51,943 --> 04:14:55,446
woman hanging on to that
car out over Hoover Dam.
4400
04:14:55,947 --> 04:14:58,574
Thank God it was only one take.
4401
04:15:03,329 --> 04:15:06,749
Vegas buried in sand dunes, I think
that was the first time it was ever done.
4402
04:15:07,041 --> 04:15:10,712
We did old glass maps
where you actually paint
4403
04:15:10,962 --> 04:15:14,465
and shoot through them, built
big sets poking out of there.
4404
04:15:14,882 --> 04:15:17,678
The Vegas showgirls and all that.
4405
04:15:17,719 --> 04:15:21,723
Besides blowing up a lot of Nevada
in the process, it's really about love,
4406
04:15:21,764 --> 04:15:25,518
about finding true love,
not an idealized mate
4407
04:15:25,852 --> 04:15:28,229
that does your bidding
and cooks you dinner.
4408
04:15:28,313 --> 04:15:32,525
It's about interactions
with a tough, equal or superior woman.
4409
04:15:34,277 --> 04:15:36,571
And finally, realizing that
4410
04:15:36,738 --> 04:15:38,990
that's more desirable.
4411
04:15:48,583 --> 04:15:50,210
One of the aspects
4412
04:15:50,251 --> 04:15:54,256
of being a science fiction
fan was a fascination
4413
04:15:54,297 --> 04:15:59,135
with what science
can bring us in the world of tomorrow.
4414
04:15:59,552 --> 04:16:01,787
What might be? What could be?
4415
04:16:01,828 --> 04:16:05,128
Hello, I'm Johnny Cab.
4416
04:16:05,224 --> 04:16:08,061
It is a forecast into our future.
4417
04:16:08,978 --> 04:16:11,189
A lot of science fiction writers
are writing
4418
04:16:11,230 --> 04:16:15,569
and developing technologies
that end up becoming real in the future.
4419
04:16:15,610 --> 04:16:19,280
People in the fields of medicine
and technology and science,
4420
04:16:19,572 --> 04:16:22,200
it's very exciting to know
that all of these people were inspired
4421
04:16:22,241 --> 04:16:23,693
by watching Star Trek.
4422
04:16:23,743 --> 04:16:25,210
Klingon mummification glyph.
4423
04:16:25,287 --> 04:16:27,817
What were the principal historical events
on the planet Earth in the year 1987?
4424
04:16:27,873 --> 04:16:28,290
Correct.
4425
04:16:28,331 --> 04:16:32,085
Sci fi imitates real life,
real life imitates sci fi.
4426
04:16:35,838 --> 04:16:36,757
We create
4427
04:16:36,798 --> 04:16:42,637
art through our movies and our stories
that is of our imagination,
4428
04:16:42,678 --> 04:16:45,681
and then someone somewhere goes, "Hey, hey,
4429
04:16:46,224 --> 04:16:48,976
"what if I could do that?"
4430
04:16:53,106 --> 04:16:55,233
You think of all the things
4431
04:16:55,274 --> 04:16:58,945
that were figments of
someone's imagination.
4432
04:16:59,028 --> 04:17:01,156
Motion trackers, who would have thunk?
4433
04:17:01,197 --> 04:17:05,059
And now we're almost reliant on GPS.
4434
04:17:05,100 --> 04:17:07,083
What about tracking?
We can check his exact
4435
04:17:07,124 --> 04:17:09,122
location at all times.
4436
04:17:09,163 --> 04:17:10,832
The phone, which is not a phone, it's
4437
04:17:10,873 --> 04:17:14,961
a phone, it's a camera, it's your day
runner, it has a tape measure.
4438
04:17:15,044 --> 04:17:17,422
It's everything. It's your entire life.
4439
04:17:17,630 --> 04:17:20,299
I never thought I'd be wearing a computer
4440
04:17:20,425 --> 04:17:22,885
on my wrist, it's just laughable.
4441
04:17:23,719 --> 04:17:26,348
There are computers in our iPhones
that are actually more powerful
4442
04:17:26,389 --> 04:17:29,475
than the computer
that was in the Apollo missions, right?
4443
04:17:29,892 --> 04:17:32,145
Which is mind boggling.
4444
04:17:33,020 --> 04:17:36,108
In Runaway, there was
that almost internet
4445
04:17:36,149 --> 04:17:38,776
before its time.
4446
04:17:41,529 --> 04:17:43,123
The drone technology.
4447
04:17:43,239 --> 04:17:45,850
Police are preparing a floater camera
which will enter the house
4448
04:17:45,950 --> 04:17:48,760
in an attempt to locate
the runaway 912 and the infant.
4449
04:17:48,828 --> 04:17:52,623
All of that stuff
has pretty much come to life.
4450
04:17:52,832 --> 04:17:55,543
The science has caught up
to the science fiction.
4451
04:17:55,877 --> 04:18:00,674
There is more technological advance
in the past 50 years than there is
4452
04:18:00,715 --> 04:18:04,594
in all of recorded history up to 50 years ago,
and that will continue.
4453
04:18:07,180 --> 04:18:09,224
Arthur C. Clarke's definition
4454
04:18:09,265 --> 04:18:13,019
that any advanced technology
will be indistinguishable from magic.
4455
04:18:13,728 --> 04:18:17,064
What we think of today as impossible
4456
04:18:17,356 --> 04:18:20,360
and magical in 15 or 20 or even 1000
4457
04:18:20,401 --> 04:18:23,821
years will be commonplace.
4458
04:18:24,864 --> 04:18:27,450
We just don't know
what's around the corner.
4459
04:18:28,493 --> 04:18:31,454
And it's bound to be something
that will blow our minds right.
4460
04:18:31,996 --> 04:18:35,584
I would only hope that humankind
would continue to be inspired
4461
04:18:35,625 --> 04:18:38,544
by the possibilities of the future.
4462
04:18:39,646 --> 04:18:42,424
It's crazy.
I don't know where we're headed.
4463
04:18:42,465 --> 04:18:46,136
At some point, all of this stuff is going
to be implanted into our heads somewhere
4464
04:18:46,177 --> 04:18:49,305
and we'll just think something
and there it'll be in front of us.
4465
04:18:49,555 --> 04:18:50,456
Why not?
4466
04:18:50,497 --> 04:18:52,480
I would like to ask a question.
Will I dream?
4467
04:18:52,521 --> 04:18:54,521
Of course you will dream.
4468
04:18:54,852 --> 04:18:58,356
Some of the things that have come to
fruition are very scary.
4469
04:18:58,397 --> 04:19:01,943
You know, when we talk about
facial recognition, deepfake technologies,
4470
04:19:01,984 --> 04:19:05,155
artificial intelligence that could
potentially take over the planet,
4471
04:19:05,196 --> 04:19:07,281
these are the kinds of things
that were forecast
4472
04:19:07,657 --> 04:19:11,035
in the '80s sci fi films
that are just now starting to break.
4473
04:19:14,080 --> 04:19:16,916
Deepfakes, this is an existential issue,
4474
04:19:17,416 --> 04:19:21,128
because we're going to come back to
the idea of, do you trust your fellow man?
4475
04:19:21,212 --> 04:19:23,506
It's not the deepfake
that's going to make the difference.
4476
04:19:23,756 --> 04:19:25,842
It's the guy behind the deepfake.
4477
04:19:25,892 --> 04:19:27,952
Right now, you don't even have
to do a deepfake.
4478
04:19:28,052 --> 04:19:32,557
Just tell the same lie over
and over and over again and you're in.
4479
04:19:32,598 --> 04:19:37,979
To me, that's the disturbing part,
not the ability to sing the siren song.
4480
04:19:38,145 --> 04:19:40,231
It's the people who are seduced by it.
4481
04:19:43,276 --> 04:19:45,111
We find ourselves now
4482
04:19:45,152 --> 04:19:48,907
in this somewhat
both inspiring and dystopian
4483
04:19:48,948 --> 04:19:52,243
future world that's very much
like the movies that we all watched.
4484
04:19:52,618 --> 04:19:55,371
Part of the nostalgia
for the '80s movies
4485
04:19:55,580 --> 04:19:58,416
is that they dealt with a lot of
these fears very, very well.
4486
04:19:58,541 --> 04:20:01,210
They dealt with government paranoia.
4487
04:20:01,586 --> 04:20:06,465
They dealt with technological overreach
and hyper innovation.
4488
04:20:11,220 --> 04:20:13,889
What are you really
sacrificing in the name of progress.
4489
04:20:14,432 --> 04:20:16,768
And, yeah, computers
are going to try to kill us.
4490
04:20:16,809 --> 04:20:20,313
And I think in some way
computers have tried to kill us.
4491
04:20:21,606 --> 04:20:24,942
We already live
within the construct of Skynet.
4492
04:20:24,984 --> 04:20:26,570
If you're on any social media,
4493
04:20:26,611 --> 04:20:31,449
all of those systems are artificial
intelligence systems that are aggregating
4494
04:20:31,490 --> 04:20:35,202
all of those algorithms
and figuring out who you are
4495
04:20:35,244 --> 04:20:37,438
in a way that you don't even understand.
4496
04:20:37,479 --> 04:20:39,762
They cannot make things
like that yet.
4497
04:20:39,803 --> 04:20:40,750
Not yet.
4498
04:20:40,791 --> 04:20:42,794
Skynet in Terminator
4499
04:20:42,835 --> 04:20:46,547
was the warning,
and every time you input a piece of data,
4500
04:20:46,964 --> 04:20:49,783
you were adding to that quote
unquote Skynet.
4501
04:20:49,824 --> 04:20:51,824
Enhance 34 to 36.
4502
04:20:54,096 --> 04:20:56,891
I think every generation looks
at the new technology.
4503
04:20:57,016 --> 04:21:00,853
There's the scariness and this hopefulness
that I think always coexist.
4504
04:21:00,978 --> 04:21:04,106
And so it comes down to do
we have systems in place
4505
04:21:04,357 --> 04:21:09,070
that allow us the beneficial
aspects of technology
4506
04:21:09,320 --> 04:21:12,573
while limiting the potential
for abuse and misuse.
4507
04:21:14,992 --> 04:21:19,163
I think that for every new technology,
for every sci fi idea,
4508
04:21:19,580 --> 04:21:21,916
you can find a movie that's hopeful
4509
04:21:21,957 --> 04:21:24,126
about what that's going to
do to transform the world.
4510
04:21:24,335 --> 04:21:28,756
And a movie that's terrified about how
this thing is going to destroy everything.
4511
04:21:29,924 --> 04:21:32,719
There isn't a single sci
fi concept where you can't find
4512
04:21:32,760 --> 04:21:35,638
both of those kinds of movies.
4513
04:21:48,120 --> 04:21:50,103
Bill & Ted's.
4514
04:21:50,144 --> 04:21:52,144
Excellent!
Excellent!
4515
04:21:52,468 --> 04:21:53,765
Excellent Adventure.
4516
04:21:53,989 --> 04:21:57,493
What if you had the ultimate power
of the gods in your hand
4517
04:21:57,785 --> 04:22:01,288
and yet you're such an imbecile
that you did
4518
04:22:01,831 --> 04:22:04,733
nothing with it, really.
4519
04:22:04,774 --> 04:22:07,874
All we are is dust
in the wind, dude.
4520
04:22:09,463 --> 04:22:12,049
It was so nice to see a script written
4521
04:22:12,633 --> 04:22:14,910
with young people who were still young.
4522
04:22:14,951 --> 04:22:16,951
We're Wyld Stallyns!
4523
04:22:18,180 --> 04:22:19,140
Who had innocence
4524
04:22:19,181 --> 04:22:23,186
and openness and weren't cynical and jaded
and weren't talking
4525
04:22:23,227 --> 04:22:25,546
like characters
out of a Woody Allen movie at 16.
4526
04:22:25,587 --> 04:22:28,287
How's it going, royal
ugly dudes?
4527
04:22:29,483 --> 04:22:32,028
The reason that Keanu and I
probably got hired was that
4528
04:22:32,069 --> 04:22:37,241
we were both theater kids and we both took
the characters very seriously.
4529
04:22:43,414 --> 04:22:45,078
Really playing them with sincerity
4530
04:22:45,124 --> 04:22:47,176
and not with a wink and a nod
at the audience.
4531
04:22:48,461 --> 04:22:50,255
It's not Back to the Future.
4532
04:22:50,296 --> 04:22:52,257
You know, we're not that big.
4533
04:22:52,298 --> 04:22:56,344
We didn't have a lot of money, but
we really leaned into the kind of ragtag,
4534
04:22:56,385 --> 04:23:00,223
sincere analog nature of this hyper
4535
04:23:00,264 --> 04:23:03,959
real situation that we were in.
4536
04:23:04,000 --> 04:23:06,000
Hey! That's us.
We're back in San Dimas!
4537
04:23:06,324 --> 04:23:09,324
Yeah. Only now it's not now.
It's last night.
4538
04:23:10,191 --> 04:23:13,236
My favorite scene from Bill and Ted
is the Circle K
4539
04:23:13,277 --> 04:23:16,346
when the phone booth arrives.
4540
04:23:16,387 --> 04:23:18,199
Not bad!
4541
04:23:18,240 --> 04:23:20,243
In terms of sci fi conceits,
4542
04:23:20,284 --> 04:23:22,411
acting opposite yourself was really fun.
4543
04:23:22,635 --> 04:23:25,935
Strange things are afoot
at the Circle K.
4544
04:23:27,458 --> 04:23:28,585
Time travel.
4545
04:23:28,626 --> 04:23:32,154
Multiple versions of yourself.
4546
04:23:32,195 --> 04:23:35,595
- 69 dudes!
- Whoa.
4547
04:23:35,925 --> 04:23:37,260
That kind of mind screw
4548
04:23:37,301 --> 04:23:39,787
type stuff is the most fun.
4549
04:23:39,828 --> 04:23:41,828
Want a Twinkie, Genghis Khan?
4550
04:23:42,056 --> 04:23:45,250
Our film is a strange movie.
4551
04:23:45,291 --> 04:23:47,291
I'm Darth Ted.
4552
04:23:48,039 --> 04:23:50,023
I'll never rule the universe with you!
4553
04:23:50,064 --> 04:23:51,566
We didn't have a Rufus for,
4554
04:23:51,607 --> 04:23:54,627
you know, it was well into production.
4555
04:23:54,668 --> 04:23:56,651
Greetings, my excellent friends.
4556
04:23:56,692 --> 04:23:58,692
I'm here to help you
with your history report.
4557
04:23:58,823 --> 04:24:01,826
They kept throwing names at us,
and they went after Connery,
4558
04:24:01,867 --> 04:24:04,204
I think with the Time Bandits thing,
4559
04:24:04,245 --> 04:24:07,540
Keanu and I were actually
genuinely worried that they were going
4560
04:24:07,581 --> 04:24:10,584
to cast the wrong Rufus, but
we were really, really lucky with Carlin.
4561
04:24:14,255 --> 04:24:17,299
I'm not strict about time travel rules,
I just want to be entertained.
4562
04:24:17,383 --> 04:24:20,052
The time travel mechanics
are actually very, very tight
4563
04:24:20,427 --> 04:24:22,096
and very, very realistic.
4564
04:24:22,221 --> 04:24:26,421
We'll time travel back to two days ago,
steal your dad's keys and leave them here!
4565
04:24:26,517 --> 04:24:29,354
My favorite time travel mechanic
is when Bill and Ted decide
4566
04:24:29,395 --> 04:24:32,673
that they're going to do a thing in the future
using the time machine.
4567
04:24:32,714 --> 04:24:34,714
- See?
- Wow, yeah!
4568
04:24:35,818 --> 04:24:39,364
That's the ultimate sort
of closed loop time travel mechanic.
4569
04:24:39,405 --> 04:24:41,688
We can't forget to do this,
otherwise it won't happen.
4570
04:24:41,729 --> 04:24:43,284
But it did happen!
4571
04:24:43,325 --> 04:24:48,564
It really could have gone off the rails
at any point along the way.
4572
04:24:48,605 --> 04:24:50,605
We're history.
4573
04:24:50,749 --> 04:24:54,169
For all of the circuits of time stuff,
they just had a booth that was like a canoe
4574
04:24:54,378 --> 04:24:59,216
just kind of wedged onto the top
of like this really rickety hydraulic pole
4575
04:24:59,675 --> 04:25:03,388
that was very high in the air
in like a shoddy sound-stage
4576
04:25:03,429 --> 04:25:05,056
outside of Phoenix somewhere.
4577
04:25:05,097 --> 04:25:06,850
125 degrees.
4578
04:25:06,891 --> 04:25:09,018
Sweating profusely all the time.
4579
04:25:09,184 --> 04:25:12,605
Everyone just stinking to high heaven
looks like a bad carny ride.
4580
04:25:12,646 --> 04:25:17,318
And it's like going... Jerking around,
you know, certain we were going to die.
4581
04:25:21,196 --> 04:25:23,574
The movie got shelved,
so it came out a full year later.
4582
04:25:23,616 --> 04:25:27,661
I'd written it off as having any success,
and then it just exploded.
4583
04:25:29,204 --> 04:25:31,691
When you're in a film that punctures
pop culture like that,
4584
04:25:31,749 --> 04:25:35,152
there's really no way to be prepared for it,
because it is very surreal.
4585
04:25:35,193 --> 04:25:37,193
Party on, dudes!
4586
04:25:44,178 --> 04:25:46,848
I think the What if? genre
is definitely a sci fi genre
4587
04:25:46,889 --> 04:25:51,602
and there is a sci fi veneer to anything
about bombs going off, like nuclear war.
4588
04:25:51,644 --> 04:25:54,589
It definitely falls into the
sci fi category,
4589
04:25:54,689 --> 04:25:57,883
at least... until it happens.
4590
04:25:57,924 --> 04:25:59,907
Miracle Mile.
4591
04:25:59,948 --> 04:26:02,448
Listen, I'm just a guy,
who-who picked up the phone.
4592
04:26:04,782 --> 04:26:06,242
It was a famous script.
4593
04:26:06,283 --> 04:26:09,454
Everybody's talked about this script.
4594
04:26:09,495 --> 04:26:13,207
It's an audacious movie made for,
I think, a $1.98 at night.
4595
04:26:13,540 --> 04:26:17,069
To me, it was like early Spielberg.
4596
04:26:17,110 --> 04:26:19,093
This can't be true.
4597
04:26:19,134 --> 04:26:20,298
It can't.
4598
04:26:20,339 --> 04:26:21,507
What would you do
4599
04:26:21,548 --> 04:26:26,011
if you were the only person to know
that you have 70 minutes to live?
4600
04:26:28,055 --> 04:26:29,098
The Rube Goldberg
4601
04:26:29,139 --> 04:26:32,601
thing in Miracle Mile
is that he decides to quit smoking,
4602
04:26:33,018 --> 04:26:36,063
so he throws his cigarette down
and a pigeon picks it up.
4603
04:26:36,563 --> 04:26:40,526
He lays down to take a nap
to meet his newfound love at midnight,
4604
04:26:40,567 --> 04:26:43,654
and the power goes off
and he's three hours late.
4605
04:26:44,178 --> 04:26:46,161
You just missed her.
4606
04:26:46,202 --> 04:26:48,902
My alarm didn't go off.
And the power went out in the hotel.
4607
04:26:50,494 --> 04:26:52,288
This movie really starts going
4608
04:26:52,329 --> 04:26:54,373
when the phone rings.
4609
04:26:56,197 --> 04:26:58,180
What exactly are you
talking about?
4610
04:26:58,221 --> 04:27:01,673
- I'm talking about nuclear fucking war!
- Who is this?
4611
04:27:01,756 --> 04:27:04,801
What would you do
if you accidentally got that phone call
4612
04:27:04,842 --> 04:27:09,430
and you just know that it's coming?
By getting people to really think about that
4613
04:27:09,555 --> 04:27:13,183
and reflect on it, it affects decision
making in the real world.
4614
04:27:14,685 --> 04:27:17,939
It's always walking that tightrope of
is this happening?
4615
04:27:17,980 --> 04:27:19,589
Am I crazy?
4616
04:27:19,630 --> 04:27:21,613
So he was calling from
a missile silo.
4617
04:27:21,654 --> 04:27:24,954
He said that they were locked in!
50 minutes and counting.
4618
04:27:25,029 --> 04:27:27,489
The real time when the clock started
4619
04:27:27,865 --> 04:27:30,600
counting down, it's a fabulous convention.
4620
04:27:30,641 --> 04:27:32,624
Condoms! We won't
be needing these.
4621
04:27:32,665 --> 04:27:34,455
We got to repopulate
the whole planet.
4622
04:27:34,496 --> 04:27:35,415
The interesting thing
4623
04:27:35,456 --> 04:27:39,359
was the odd people in it
and the love story within it.
4624
04:27:39,400 --> 04:27:41,383
Trust me with this!
4625
04:27:41,424 --> 04:27:43,407
With what?
4626
04:27:43,448 --> 04:27:45,448
I love you.
4627
04:27:46,133 --> 04:27:50,555
By the end, it's sort of one of the
iconic images, this river of cars
4628
04:27:50,596 --> 04:27:52,723
and human chaos.
4629
04:27:55,225 --> 04:27:56,561
It was pretty crazy
4630
04:27:56,602 --> 04:28:00,272
for us to do that on this low budget.
4631
04:28:00,814 --> 04:28:03,317
I'm shot and fall, my face
falls on a grate.
4632
04:28:03,358 --> 04:28:05,736
That's my Hitchcockian cameo.
4633
04:28:07,863 --> 04:28:11,408
It was $3 million to make this movie,
which even in the '80s,
4634
04:28:11,533 --> 04:28:13,827
I don't know how we did it.
4635
04:28:14,914 --> 04:28:17,414
You tell me now!
You joking, huh?!
4636
04:28:17,539 --> 04:28:20,709
I was in danger of being fired
every day of the shoot
4637
04:28:21,043 --> 04:28:24,171
because they said it was impossible to do.
4638
04:28:25,839 --> 04:28:28,300
Warner Brothers offered a fortune.
4639
04:28:28,634 --> 04:28:33,847
They said if we thought about making
Miracle Mile as a single story Twilight Zone.
4640
04:28:34,807 --> 04:28:38,560
The only change they wanted to make
was he woke up and it was all a dream
4641
04:28:38,894 --> 04:28:44,007
and then started happening again,
which would just not satisfy anybody.
4642
04:28:44,048 --> 04:28:47,748
It's total chaos! The fear,
it's total, absolute...
4643
04:28:47,903 --> 04:28:48,821
I didn't want to do
4644
04:28:48,862 --> 04:28:51,323
anything that gave you hope,
I hate to say it.
4645
04:28:51,907 --> 04:28:53,242
I wanted to shake people up.
4646
04:28:53,283 --> 04:28:56,954
I wanted to have them walk
out of the theater and go do something
4647
04:28:56,995 --> 04:28:58,914
about the issue.
4648
04:29:00,124 --> 04:29:02,293
It could happen more likely tonight
4649
04:29:02,334 --> 04:29:05,821
than back in '89.
4650
04:29:05,862 --> 04:29:08,862
Forget everything you
just heard and go back to sleep.
4651
04:29:21,520 --> 04:29:23,856
I got a huge kick out of Honey,
I Shrunk the Kids.
4652
04:29:24,106 --> 04:29:28,318
What an absolutely silly idea
that I thought was really well handled.
4653
04:29:29,945 --> 04:29:32,573
You don't realize how terrifying
all the little things around
4654
04:29:32,614 --> 04:29:36,076
you can be until you're smaller
than everything.
4655
04:29:37,035 --> 04:29:38,621
Honey, I Shrunk the Kids is about
4656
04:29:38,662 --> 04:29:41,749
a scientist played by Rick Moranis,
who accidentally shrinks his kids
4657
04:29:41,790 --> 04:29:45,586
and they have to traverse this backyard
in order to get back home and, you know,
4658
04:29:45,627 --> 04:29:49,632
fight all sorts of dangers in his backyard
now that they're this big.
4659
04:29:49,840 --> 04:29:52,337
- I shrunk the kids.
- What?
4660
04:29:52,468 --> 04:29:55,161
The Thompson kids too. They are
about this big, they're in the backyard.
4661
04:29:55,346 --> 04:29:57,131
- What?!
- Threw them out with the trash.
4662
04:29:57,172 --> 04:30:00,726
It's a dead lift on the Richard Matheson story,
The Incredible Shrinking Man,
4663
04:30:00,767 --> 04:30:03,896
which was one of my favorite
sci fi movies when I was a kid.
4664
04:30:04,813 --> 04:30:06,566
Matheson was very ahead of his time.
4665
04:30:06,607 --> 04:30:08,609
There's allusions to that movie in it.
4666
04:30:08,775 --> 04:30:12,155
There are sequences where they're fighting
certain insects as an homage
4667
04:30:12,196 --> 04:30:15,115
to those movies of the past.
4668
04:30:16,366 --> 04:30:18,244
Honey, I Shrunk the Kids.
4669
04:30:18,285 --> 04:30:21,247
The movie was called Teeny Weenies
and gave me an opportunity
4670
04:30:21,288 --> 04:30:25,959
to work with my buddy Joe Johnston
on his first theatrical feature film.
4671
04:30:26,668 --> 04:30:28,962
There was a big scorpion scene.
4672
04:30:31,173 --> 04:30:35,260
What we essentially did
was that, the fighting the ant
4673
04:30:35,385 --> 04:30:38,680
and going after these children,
and the ant comes to the rescue.
4674
04:30:40,182 --> 04:30:43,895
Stop motion creatures,
you don't want camera moves to drive
4675
04:30:43,936 --> 04:30:47,147
the performance, we want the performance
to drive the camera.
4676
04:30:47,564 --> 04:30:50,817
And then there is another unit
down in Los Angeles
4677
04:30:50,984 --> 04:30:54,529
with Dave Allen that was doing
the other scenes with the ant.
4678
04:30:56,114 --> 04:30:58,200
one of the things about making
movies in the '80s
4679
04:30:58,408 --> 04:31:00,786
that people today
don't necessarily understand
4680
04:31:00,827 --> 04:31:03,956
is how many different solutions to things
you had to find.
4681
04:31:04,039 --> 04:31:06,333
You couldn't just
throw it into a computer, and that's it.
4682
04:31:06,625 --> 04:31:09,837
You had to use forced perspective,
miniatures and bigatures,
4683
04:31:09,878 --> 04:31:13,090
and sometimes in the single scene,
you might have a animatronic
4684
04:31:13,215 --> 04:31:16,677
and the kids are riding on
and then a close up that's just a head.
4685
04:31:16,802 --> 04:31:19,138
It's an entirely different prop.
4686
04:31:19,179 --> 04:31:21,432
And you had to really sort of
think about how you were going to do
4687
04:31:21,473 --> 04:31:24,935
every single shot in a movie
and come up with a different unique
4688
04:31:25,269 --> 04:31:26,586
solution.
4689
04:31:26,627 --> 04:31:28,522
Thanks for the lift, anty.
4690
04:31:28,563 --> 04:31:31,483
It has this esthetic
that is not quite realistic looking
4691
04:31:31,608 --> 04:31:34,570
in a lot of places,
but it 100% works for the movie
4692
04:31:34,611 --> 04:31:37,739
and the tone of the movie that they're telling.
These giant blades of grass
4693
04:31:37,990 --> 04:31:41,034
look exactly how they
should look for that movie.
4694
04:31:43,996 --> 04:31:46,399
The great thing about knowing that a movie
was done practically
4695
04:31:46,499 --> 04:31:49,502
is that you know that at some point
there was actually a kid swimming around
4696
04:31:49,543 --> 04:31:53,029
in a giant bowl of milk
using a giant cheerio as a life preserver.
4697
04:31:53,070 --> 04:31:55,324
Help!
Don't eat me!
4698
04:31:57,643 --> 04:32:00,483
Some of us feel like the world was getting
a little too cynical for its own good,
4699
04:32:00,529 --> 04:32:02,389
a little too self-aware for its own good.
4700
04:32:02,431 --> 04:32:05,292
A movie like Honey, I Shrunk the Kids was just
like, "Look, let's just go, enjoy ourselves
4701
04:32:05,392 --> 04:32:07,752
"and enjoy the innocence
and sweetness of the world."
4702
04:32:08,937 --> 04:32:10,690
It's always got a place on my shelf
4703
04:32:10,731 --> 04:32:12,340
for that reason.
4704
04:32:12,381 --> 04:32:16,164
Nick! I've got six hours to get home,
get big, and get to the mall.
4705
04:32:16,205 --> 04:32:18,205
Now get moving!
4706
04:32:23,629 --> 04:32:25,612
I'm James Cameron
4707
04:32:25,653 --> 04:32:29,736
and I want to take you into
a world of cold darkness
4708
04:32:29,777 --> 04:32:31,777
and unrelenting pressure.
4709
04:32:32,044 --> 04:32:35,172
The Abyss is a film
that's made on a frontier
4710
04:32:35,881 --> 04:32:38,301
in terms of the physicality of how
4711
04:32:38,342 --> 04:32:40,886
they made the film literally underwater
4712
04:32:41,595 --> 04:32:45,766
it's a film made in a frontier
of technology and film-making ability
4713
04:32:46,141 --> 04:32:49,353
and a classic camera
and storytelling sense.
4714
04:32:49,394 --> 04:32:51,104
It's a mix of things.
4715
04:32:52,560 --> 04:32:54,544
It's a bottomless pit, baby.
4716
04:32:54,585 --> 04:32:56,569
Two and a half miles,
straight down.
4717
04:32:56,610 --> 04:32:57,703
Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio
4718
04:32:57,744 --> 04:33:01,198
and Ed Harris, the two lead characters,
are an estranged couple.
4719
04:33:04,785 --> 04:33:06,579
Under extreme circumstances,
4720
04:33:06,620 --> 04:33:08,413
love flourishes.
4721
04:33:08,599 --> 04:33:10,583
You can do this.
4722
04:33:10,624 --> 04:33:12,293
It's a lovely inversion of Aliens
4723
04:33:12,334 --> 04:33:15,463
in a way.
The Navy SEALs are the bad guys
4724
04:33:15,504 --> 04:33:17,547
and the aliens are the good guys.
4725
04:33:19,950 --> 04:33:22,820
Wouldn't you have liked the picture better
if they hadn't had the aliens down there
4726
04:33:22,861 --> 04:33:24,513
and just spent more time
with the rest of us--
4727
04:33:24,554 --> 04:33:27,141
I just think they just put in another
element that was more fun.
4728
04:33:27,182 --> 04:33:28,665
It doesn't work for me.
4729
04:33:28,706 --> 04:33:30,706
Aliens was a cakewalk
compared to The Abyss.
4730
04:33:32,020 --> 04:33:35,274
Jim Cameron, he doesn't suffer fools,
but the reason why
4731
04:33:35,315 --> 04:33:38,902
he's known as being a taskmaster
is because he's done the work
4732
04:33:39,069 --> 04:33:42,656
and he expects all of the crew
to work as hard as he is.
4733
04:33:43,824 --> 04:33:46,243
Crew members actually
had a T-shirt that said,
4734
04:33:46,868 --> 04:33:49,121
"Life's Abyss, and then you dive."
4735
04:33:50,455 --> 04:33:52,416
It was almost his ethos as a filmmaker.
4736
04:33:52,457 --> 04:33:53,959
I will make the impossible.
4737
04:33:54,000 --> 04:33:56,586
I will find a way of doing these things.
4738
04:33:57,963 --> 04:34:01,424
They shot it in these nuclear silos,
in Gaffney.
4739
04:34:01,499 --> 04:34:04,052
Filled it with water,
filled it with chlorine.
4740
04:34:05,262 --> 04:34:09,724
They had to put black beads across the top
of the tank to stop the light getting in,
4741
04:34:10,058 --> 04:34:13,019
but it allowed you to get out of the water
in case of emergencies.
4742
04:34:14,604 --> 04:34:18,275
It's dangerous film-making like that.
You can get the bends just in the
4743
04:34:18,316 --> 04:34:21,278
Olympic swimming pool or at 18 feet deep
if you jump up too quick.
4744
04:34:22,154 --> 04:34:27,767
They had to take their time at the
end of the day to safely get out of that set.
4745
04:34:28,808 --> 04:34:30,491
- Bud.
- Relax now, Bud.
4746
04:34:30,532 --> 04:34:31,664
Watch me.
4747
04:34:31,705 --> 04:34:32,957
That sequence where
4748
04:34:32,998 --> 04:34:35,793
they had to basically
breathe in water.
4749
04:34:35,834 --> 04:34:38,837
I was like that when I saw them,
I just-- I couldn't believe it.
4750
04:34:39,796 --> 04:34:42,148
When he had breathed the liquid oxygen,
that's fake.
4751
04:34:42,382 --> 04:34:43,832
So he has to
hold his breath.
4752
04:34:43,926 --> 04:34:47,650
We all breathed liquid for nine months, Bud.
Your body will remember.
4753
04:34:49,423 --> 04:34:53,302
A Navy SEAL demonstrates
you can breathe liquid oxygen,
4754
04:34:53,602 --> 04:34:57,105
and that is a real demonstration
of the effect, the experiment.
4755
04:34:57,397 --> 04:34:59,900
There were five rats, five takes.
4756
04:35:00,066 --> 04:35:02,068
The fifth rat struggled.
4757
04:35:02,903 --> 04:35:05,680
Cameron had to give it CPR.
4758
04:35:05,721 --> 04:35:07,241
- See? He's fine.
- It's a she.
4759
04:35:07,282 --> 04:35:08,534
But the endurance test
4760
04:35:08,575 --> 04:35:12,787
for the filmmakers
and for the cast was beyond difficult.
4761
04:35:12,996 --> 04:35:17,251
Everyone had experiences on it,
which will kind of make or break moments.
4762
04:35:17,292 --> 04:35:19,320
They had safety divers,
they're called angels.
4763
04:35:19,420 --> 04:35:22,840
Okay, that was a good take, Edward.
I want to print that, but let's do it again.
4764
04:35:22,965 --> 04:35:24,967
Ed Harris, a tough guy.
4765
04:35:25,134 --> 04:35:27,928
He had to swim underwater
for about 40 meters,
4766
04:35:27,969 --> 04:35:31,631
and there are scenes where he just at the
brink of not being able to breathe anymore.
4767
04:35:34,726 --> 04:35:36,545
Cameron himself has
an incredible story
4768
04:35:36,645 --> 04:35:38,555
because people forget
he would just stay underwater.
4769
04:35:38,647 --> 04:35:41,641
He had weights and everything. He could
keep himself at the bottom of the tank.
4770
04:35:41,691 --> 04:35:44,110
And Cameron pulls on his oxygen mask.
4771
04:35:44,528 --> 04:35:46,821
Nothing. And he goes,
"I'm in trouble."
4772
04:35:47,280 --> 04:35:49,908
And that's when a safety diver
thinks he's in distress,
4773
04:35:50,283 --> 04:35:53,286
because he is,
and comes out with a respirator
4774
04:35:53,787 --> 04:35:56,998
and puts the respirator in wrong,
pulls water
4775
04:35:57,249 --> 04:35:59,417
straight into his lungs,
4776
04:36:00,252 --> 04:36:03,338
and he starts to push away
because he's going to drown.
4777
04:36:04,214 --> 04:36:06,575
And the guy holds him closer
because he thinks he's
4778
04:36:06,675 --> 04:36:09,018
struggling because he's lack of oxygen.
4779
04:36:09,302 --> 04:36:11,514
And the story is
Cameron punches him.
4780
04:36:11,555 --> 04:36:12,998
The only thing,
last thing he can do,
4781
04:36:13,098 --> 04:36:16,268
is punch the guy
and break through into the surface.
4782
04:36:16,560 --> 04:36:20,230
His assistant and the safety diver
were fired on the same day...
4783
04:36:21,273 --> 04:36:23,558
and he was back down the bottom
in the tank within hours.
4784
04:36:23,650 --> 04:36:25,110
That's James Cameron for you.
4785
04:36:25,151 --> 04:36:28,488
That's The Abyss for you.
4786
04:36:40,200 --> 04:36:42,200
What the hell is going on?
4787
04:36:43,795 --> 04:36:45,005
Back to the Future II picks up
4788
04:36:45,046 --> 04:36:48,592
exactly where the last film left off.
4789
04:36:50,176 --> 04:36:51,720
And then we go to the far off
4790
04:36:51,761 --> 04:36:55,098
future of the year 2015.
4791
04:36:57,122 --> 04:36:59,103
The future. Unbelievable.
4792
04:36:59,144 --> 04:37:00,396
We are big believers
4793
04:37:00,437 --> 04:37:03,023
in the set it up, pay it off.
4794
04:37:03,481 --> 04:37:06,985
We thought to ourselves, Hill
Valley needs to be recognizable.
4795
04:37:07,068 --> 04:37:12,866
It's recognizable from 1955 to 1985
and in 1985 to 2015.
4796
04:37:13,074 --> 04:37:16,287
It has to be recognizable as well.
4797
04:37:16,328 --> 04:37:18,747
The great splendor of Back to the Future
4798
04:37:19,039 --> 04:37:24,210
really is its ethos is 1950,
when in terms of science fiction,
4799
04:37:24,461 --> 04:37:26,255
the dream was a flying car
4800
04:37:26,296 --> 04:37:29,700
and the cities of the future, and that's where
Back to the Future Part II comes in,
4801
04:37:29,800 --> 04:37:33,845
is that it's just jokes
about 1950's idealization of the future
4802
04:37:37,390 --> 04:37:39,976
And all of those kind
of consumerist ideas,
4803
04:37:40,143 --> 04:37:43,397
wonderful kind of humoristic things.
4804
04:37:43,438 --> 04:37:47,651
We thought about how does the world change.
You recognize a time period
4805
04:37:47,942 --> 04:37:51,387
on a pop culture level
based on what new products look like.
4806
04:37:51,428 --> 04:37:53,428
Is it ready?
4807
04:37:53,698 --> 04:37:57,786
We were very cognizant
about choosing brands
4808
04:37:58,119 --> 04:38:00,813
that would give us a change in period.
4809
04:38:00,854 --> 04:38:02,854
All I want is a Pepsi.
4810
04:38:04,167 --> 04:38:07,170
That's what's going to make
people feel comfortable
4811
04:38:07,379 --> 04:38:09,564
that this is where we are.
4812
04:38:11,241 --> 04:38:12,905
Drying mode on.
4813
04:38:13,009 --> 04:38:17,138
Even though 2015, as depicted in
Back to the Future II, didn't quite pan out
4814
04:38:17,263 --> 04:38:19,917
in reality, we all still want
a hoverboard
4815
04:38:20,017 --> 04:38:23,853
and I still want a pair of those
self-lacing Nike tennis shoes.
4816
04:38:25,438 --> 04:38:28,441
We didn't get 19 Jaws movies.
4817
04:38:30,985 --> 04:38:34,573
They forecast our obsession
with the '80s,
4818
04:38:34,614 --> 04:38:37,158
so they were on point with that.
4819
04:38:39,369 --> 04:38:41,664
There's a whole like genetic line of Biffs
4820
04:38:43,332 --> 04:38:48,087
really, really good writing as far as a villain
that just carries all the things
4821
04:38:48,128 --> 04:38:50,488
that really trigger us
and push our buttons.
4822
04:38:50,529 --> 04:38:53,629
What's wrong McFly?
Chicken?
4823
04:38:57,637 --> 04:38:59,472
We all know a Biff.
4824
04:39:02,327 --> 04:39:04,311
Go get it!
4825
04:39:04,352 --> 04:39:05,813
Back to the Future II gets
4826
04:39:05,854 --> 04:39:08,506
real dark, real fast.
4827
04:39:08,547 --> 04:39:11,730
Somewhere in the past, the timeline
skewed into this tangent
4828
04:39:11,771 --> 04:39:13,771
creating an alternate 1985.
4829
04:39:15,280 --> 04:39:16,657
Time paradoxes, man.
4830
04:39:16,698 --> 04:39:18,725
You don't know what's going to happen.
4831
04:39:18,766 --> 04:39:20,766
Third time's the charm.
4832
04:39:25,123 --> 04:39:27,084
The way that you see
characters have changed
4833
04:39:27,125 --> 04:39:31,212
as a result of this new timeline
and these new actions that have happened.
4834
04:39:31,504 --> 04:39:33,716
You're very much in Marty's shoes of like
4835
04:39:33,757 --> 04:39:35,843
this is not the way
the world is supposed to be.
4836
04:39:35,884 --> 04:39:38,011
And how did it get this way
and how do I fix it?
4837
04:39:38,235 --> 04:39:41,818
Doc, what if we don't succeed?
4838
04:39:41,859 --> 04:39:43,859
We must succeed!
4839
04:39:45,351 --> 04:39:50,107
The cool thing about Back to the Future II
is where they go back in time again
4840
04:39:50,148 --> 04:39:53,193
to the events of the first movie,
and you now have this second Marty
4841
04:39:53,234 --> 04:39:56,112
running around
witnessing the events of the first movie
4842
04:39:56,446 --> 04:40:00,450
and you get the sense that that was always
happening behind the scenes
4843
04:40:00,742 --> 04:40:02,327
while the first movie was going on.
4844
04:40:06,247 --> 04:40:08,083
As a time travel junkie,
4845
04:40:08,125 --> 04:40:10,627
the idea of reinserting yourself
back into another set of events
4846
04:40:10,668 --> 04:40:14,380
that you've already gone through once
it just cracks me up.
4847
04:40:16,174 --> 04:40:18,051
This '80s nostalgia
4848
04:40:18,092 --> 04:40:22,014
that existed in these sort of future 2015,
which was obviously meant to mimic
4849
04:40:22,055 --> 04:40:25,016
the 1950s nostalgia
that people had in the 1980s.
4850
04:40:25,141 --> 04:40:27,894
But when you're in the 1980s,
you don't think of that that way
4851
04:40:28,102 --> 04:40:31,856
to see that come true,
to have lived long enough to see what
4852
04:40:32,023 --> 04:40:35,569
I grew up and
become this nostalgia thing.
4853
04:40:35,610 --> 04:40:38,030
I don't know. In one sense,
it makes me feel a little old,
4854
04:40:38,071 --> 04:40:41,700
but it is also a thing
that was very prescient about
4855
04:40:41,741 --> 04:40:42,975
Back to the Future II.
4856
04:40:43,016 --> 04:40:44,999
We have a quaint little piece
from the 1980s.
4857
04:40:45,040 --> 04:40:47,040
It's called the dustbuster.
4858
04:40:53,628 --> 04:40:57,782
Science fiction, certainly the best
of science fiction is inevitably
4859
04:40:57,966 --> 04:41:02,554
a reflection of what's going on on Earth
at the time it was written,
4860
04:41:03,179 --> 04:41:07,976
all works of art are ineluctable products
of the time in which they are created.
4861
04:41:09,936 --> 04:41:12,564
This isn't about space.
4862
04:41:12,605 --> 04:41:14,817
This isn't about deep water.
4863
04:41:14,858 --> 04:41:17,443
This isn't about another dimension.
4864
04:41:19,696 --> 04:41:21,406
This is about us.
4865
04:41:21,447 --> 04:41:25,410
It's really up to the audience
to decide what they want
4866
04:41:25,451 --> 04:41:28,454
out of the experience.
4867
04:41:29,706 --> 04:41:32,000
Science fiction allowed people
4868
04:41:32,208 --> 04:41:35,920
to tell stories and talk about extremely
4869
04:41:36,296 --> 04:41:39,924
important social issues
4870
04:41:40,466 --> 04:41:44,054
in ways that got people thinking,
maybe without them realizing
4871
04:41:44,095 --> 04:41:45,305
they were thinking about it.
4872
04:41:45,346 --> 04:41:47,266
We have a hard time
talking about this directly,
4873
04:41:47,307 --> 04:41:50,352
but if I tell you this story about people
who are half painted white
4874
04:41:50,393 --> 04:41:52,145
and half painted black,
hating the other people
4875
04:41:52,186 --> 04:41:54,314
who are half painted black
and half painted white.
4876
04:41:54,355 --> 04:41:58,484
The idea of racism,
we see how silly and dumb it is
4877
04:41:58,902 --> 04:42:01,738
when you sort of see it reflected
in a different set of cultural norms
4878
04:42:01,946 --> 04:42:05,658
hits you in a way
that you can't see without the metaphor.
4879
04:42:06,951 --> 04:42:10,121
Escaping when you're a little kid
or teenager
4880
04:42:10,246 --> 04:42:15,460
into the world of science fiction is a
great way to start to come to terms
4881
04:42:15,501 --> 04:42:18,796
with your own personality, who you are,
where you fit in the world,
4882
04:42:19,005 --> 04:42:24,844
and they become really important
benchmarks in how you remember your youth.
4883
04:42:25,011 --> 04:42:28,139
So there's something I think that's
universal about that in terms of age.
4884
04:42:29,182 --> 04:42:31,351
A lot of these movies
4885
04:42:31,726 --> 04:42:34,479
cater to a young audience
4886
04:42:34,520 --> 04:42:38,524
that perhaps was in a real
transition in their lives.
4887
04:42:38,858 --> 04:42:42,445
And these are times in your lives
that you never forget.
4888
04:42:42,946 --> 04:42:48,159
As simple as these movies appear to be,
especially by today's standards,
4889
04:42:48,368 --> 04:42:54,207
there's a magic to them because of their
relatability and their intimacy.
4890
04:42:54,248 --> 04:42:58,253
It belongs to the person that it made an
imprint on, and that's the wonderful thing
4891
04:42:58,294 --> 04:43:01,298
about stories.
You tell it so that somebody else
4892
04:43:01,339 --> 04:43:04,717
can relate to it because you related to
it and that's why you wanted to tell it.
4893
04:43:05,051 --> 04:43:07,930
There's something about being able to have
4894
04:43:07,971 --> 04:43:10,807
your favorite movie
and your favorite moment
4895
04:43:11,349 --> 04:43:15,895
and have it with you and watch
it as many times as you want.
4896
04:43:16,312 --> 04:43:18,190
And it became this tradition.
4897
04:43:18,231 --> 04:43:21,818
We could go rent a movie
and we could sit down with our family.
4898
04:43:22,652 --> 04:43:27,282
It was about where we were and who we were
with at the time, and we all wish
4899
04:43:27,323 --> 04:43:31,828
we could be back there in some way
doing that with those people at that time.
4900
04:43:32,078 --> 04:43:35,123
Everybody likes to remember good times.
4901
04:43:35,415 --> 04:43:37,858
Some of these movies
remind us of the good times.
4902
04:43:37,899 --> 04:43:40,899
By the way, why are we
wearing bras on our heads?
4903
04:43:41,212 --> 04:43:43,464
I think that nostalgia connects us
4904
04:43:43,506 --> 04:43:48,053
not only with an innocent part of
ourselves, but also with our imagination,
4905
04:43:48,094 --> 04:43:51,389
because as we get older,
we kind of lose that imagination.
4906
04:43:51,431 --> 04:43:55,126
Everybody has it, but it starts to
get tarnished as we get older.
4907
04:43:57,812 --> 04:43:59,690
These movies endure
4908
04:43:59,731 --> 04:44:03,151
because it's a part of us
we don't want to lose.
4909
04:44:04,485 --> 04:44:07,656
As you get older,
you want to relive those moments
4910
04:44:07,697 --> 04:44:10,325
that meant so much to you as a kid.
4911
04:44:10,366 --> 04:44:13,786
You don't want them to go away because
they're actually part of who you are.
4912
04:44:13,870 --> 04:44:17,165
I think that what you've got as artists
and filmmakers
4913
04:44:17,206 --> 04:44:20,334
are a lot of adults who are still kids.
4914
04:44:20,960 --> 04:44:22,962
They're capable
of working in an adult world,
4915
04:44:23,504 --> 04:44:26,841
but they feel like a child
and want to express that.
4916
04:44:28,468 --> 04:44:32,430
There's something that keeps these
directors making these phenomenal films.
4917
04:44:32,555 --> 04:44:34,266
They're affecting you
in some emotional way,
4918
04:44:34,307 --> 04:44:38,186
and they're feeling that emotion
when they're making it.
4919
04:44:38,227 --> 04:44:42,148
And I'm really glad there's people around
that are listening to their inner selves.
4920
04:44:42,774 --> 04:44:45,359
Art is the one thing that looks
4921
04:44:45,651 --> 04:44:49,030
beyond the reality that we know around us
4922
04:44:49,072 --> 04:44:52,075
and it shows us what's possible.
4923
04:44:52,825 --> 04:44:55,412
At it's most noble, art shows us
4924
04:44:55,453 --> 04:44:58,039
what can be and what ought to be.
4925
04:44:58,664 --> 04:45:03,294
That is what science fiction
at its best is all about.
4926
04:45:04,295 --> 04:45:07,048
Is showing us the world of tomorrow
4927
04:45:07,799 --> 04:45:10,676
and how human life can be better
4928
04:45:11,135 --> 04:45:14,514
in the future than it is right now.
4929
04:45:15,348 --> 04:45:17,350
That's the magic of sci fi, man.
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