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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,150 --> 00:00:06,150 (dramatic violins) 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:08,470 --> 00:00:13,470 (dramatic music) 5 00:00:18,884 --> 00:00:21,064 - [Voiceover] Of the millions of species that belong 6 00:00:21,064 --> 00:00:24,550 to planet Earth, what is it that sets us apart 7 00:00:24,550 --> 00:00:28,210 from all the others? 8 00:00:28,210 --> 00:00:33,210 Is it our inquiring minds? 9 00:00:33,710 --> 00:00:37,770 Our ability to explore. 10 00:00:37,770 --> 00:00:39,970 To discover. 11 00:00:39,970 --> 00:00:43,630 And to reason. 12 00:00:43,630 --> 00:00:46,670 Ever since the dawn of civilization. 13 00:00:46,670 --> 00:00:50,910 We have pursued the answer to one question. 14 00:00:50,910 --> 00:00:55,510 Who are we? 15 00:00:55,510 --> 00:00:58,590 We have looked to the stars. 16 00:00:58,590 --> 00:01:02,050 We have searched our souls. 17 00:01:02,050 --> 00:01:07,050 But the answers seldom satisfy for long. 18 00:01:07,330 --> 00:01:11,790 Why are we so different? 19 00:01:11,790 --> 00:01:16,790 We connect, communicate, invent, 20 00:01:20,810 --> 00:01:23,950 and create. 21 00:01:23,950 --> 00:01:26,250 We are able to cure, 22 00:01:26,250 --> 00:01:30,790 to treat, to extend life, 23 00:01:30,790 --> 00:01:35,790 even to create life. 24 00:01:36,670 --> 00:01:40,550 We have built cities that touch the sky. 25 00:01:40,550 --> 00:01:43,270 We have flown amongst the clouds. 26 00:01:43,270 --> 00:01:45,530 - [Voiceover] That's one small step for man. 27 00:01:45,530 --> 00:01:47,510 - [Voiceover] And traveled far beyond. 28 00:01:47,510 --> 00:01:50,390 - [Voiceover] One giant leap for mankind. 29 00:01:50,390 --> 00:01:52,130 - We challenge ourselves. 30 00:01:52,130 --> 00:01:54,050 And while we are not perfect-- 31 00:01:54,050 --> 00:01:56,130 - [Voiceover] We shall fight on the beaches, 32 00:01:56,130 --> 00:01:58,690 we shall fight on the landing grounds, 33 00:01:58,690 --> 00:02:00,350 we shall never surrender. 34 00:02:00,350 --> 00:02:01,910 - [Voiceover] I have a dream. 35 00:02:01,910 --> 00:02:03,930 - [Voiceover] We endeavor to better ourselves-- 36 00:02:03,930 --> 00:02:06,710 - [Voiceover] That all men our created equal. 37 00:02:06,710 --> 00:02:08,770 - [Voiceover] And now, we have surely arrived 38 00:02:08,770 --> 00:02:11,690 at the golden age of technology, 39 00:02:11,690 --> 00:02:14,810 but our journey still continues. 40 00:02:14,810 --> 00:02:17,610 - [Voiceover] Hello from the children of planet Earth. 41 00:02:17,610 --> 00:02:20,270 (men speaking foreign language) 42 00:02:20,270 --> 00:02:22,550 Who are we? 43 00:02:22,550 --> 00:02:26,130 We are amazing. 44 00:02:26,130 --> 00:02:27,930 We are human beings, 45 00:02:27,930 --> 00:02:32,610 and we have risen above all others to become 46 00:02:32,610 --> 00:02:37,350 the dominant species on planet Earth. 47 00:02:37,350 --> 00:02:40,170 Never before have we appeared to be stronger, 48 00:02:40,170 --> 00:02:45,170 more powerful, and more in control. 49 00:02:46,330 --> 00:02:51,330 Why is it then, that at this moment in time, 50 00:02:51,410 --> 00:02:56,410 our species has never been sicker? 51 00:02:59,890 --> 00:03:02,310 - We think we're at the pinnacle of our existence. 52 00:03:02,310 --> 00:03:05,913 Look at the technology that human kind has available now. 53 00:03:05,913 --> 00:03:09,213 And yet the reality is, we've never been sicker. 54 00:03:09,213 --> 00:03:11,213 And it's going to get worse. 55 00:03:11,213 --> 00:03:14,333 - We have been facing a rising epidemic of plagues. 56 00:03:14,333 --> 00:03:17,813 From asthma to obesity, to allergic diseases. 57 00:03:17,813 --> 00:03:21,833 This has been going on continuously over the last decades. 58 00:03:21,833 --> 00:03:25,753 And there's no real sign that it's letting up. 59 00:03:25,753 --> 00:03:28,913 - When you have asthma or inflammation within the lung, 60 00:03:28,913 --> 00:03:32,433 you see cells that are not normally suppose to be there 61 00:03:32,433 --> 00:03:33,813 invading that space, 62 00:03:33,813 --> 00:03:37,393 so you cannot exchange the air quite as well. 63 00:03:37,393 --> 00:03:42,393 And this an example of that invasion. 64 00:03:43,313 --> 00:03:46,773 And this is inflammation within the lung sacks. 65 00:03:46,773 --> 00:03:48,893 - [Voiceover] The World Health Organization has declared 66 00:03:48,893 --> 00:03:53,893 non-communicable diseases have reached epidemic proportions. 67 00:03:54,273 --> 00:03:59,133 Diseases such as asthma, diabetes, coeliac disease, 68 00:03:59,133 --> 00:04:03,073 obesity, cardiovascular diseases, some cancers, 69 00:04:03,073 --> 00:04:07,673 and mental disorders. 70 00:04:07,673 --> 00:04:10,843 This diseases currently account for over 60% 71 00:04:10,843 --> 00:04:13,953 of all deaths globally, and they are on the rise. 72 00:04:13,953 --> 00:04:17,573 The World Health Organization estimates total deaths 73 00:04:17,573 --> 00:04:20,773 from non-communicable diseases will increase by 74 00:04:20,773 --> 00:04:24,893 a further 17% within the next decade. 75 00:04:24,893 --> 00:04:27,633 The World Economic Forum and the Harvard School 76 00:04:27,633 --> 00:04:31,113 of Public Health have predicted that the cost of treating 77 00:04:31,113 --> 00:04:34,673 these diseases has the potential to bankrupt 78 00:04:34,673 --> 00:04:38,533 global healthcare systems by the year 2030. 79 00:04:38,533 --> 00:04:42,013 - So, the model that was compiled together by 80 00:04:42,013 --> 00:04:43,913 the World Economic Forum and the Harvard School 81 00:04:43,913 --> 00:04:46,993 of Public Health estimated that the cost of 82 00:04:46,993 --> 00:04:51,393 non-communicable diseases between 2010 and 2030 83 00:04:51,393 --> 00:04:56,393 would reach a staggering $47 trillion. 84 00:04:56,413 --> 00:04:58,753 That is a huge sum. 85 00:04:58,753 --> 00:05:03,333 To put this into context, the combined economic output 86 00:05:03,333 --> 00:05:07,214 of most countries in the world in a given year 87 00:05:07,214 --> 00:05:10,393 is less than $1 trillion. 88 00:05:10,393 --> 00:05:14,537 And they're estimating a cost of $47 trillion. 89 00:05:14,537 --> 00:05:17,417 It is a staggering sum indeed. 90 00:05:17,417 --> 00:05:20,737 - By the year 2030, almost half of the net worth 91 00:05:20,737 --> 00:05:25,137 of the world is going to go toward treating these diseases. 92 00:05:25,137 --> 00:05:26,357 That's not sustainable. 93 00:05:26,357 --> 00:05:28,817 We're bankrupting ourselves. 94 00:05:28,817 --> 00:05:32,217 And the problem is that we're creating an invalid society. 95 00:05:32,217 --> 00:05:35,357 We have people that are too sick to work. 96 00:05:35,357 --> 00:05:38,157 We don't have enough caretakers for those people. 97 00:05:38,157 --> 00:05:41,577 We're not going to have medical services to provide 98 00:05:41,577 --> 00:05:43,317 for that number of people. 99 00:05:43,317 --> 00:05:45,157 We simply can't afford it. 100 00:05:45,157 --> 00:05:48,177 We're hitting the wall right now. 101 00:05:48,177 --> 00:05:50,237 - We're increasingly seeing a world out there 102 00:05:50,237 --> 00:05:53,137 with what is really a public health time bomb 103 00:05:53,137 --> 00:05:54,777 waiting to go off. 104 00:05:54,777 --> 00:05:56,957 And the research that we're doing suggests that 105 00:05:56,957 --> 00:05:58,037 it's only going to get worse, 106 00:05:58,037 --> 00:05:59,377 generation on generation. 107 00:05:59,377 --> 00:06:02,577 So, tomorrow's generation really is on the edge 108 00:06:02,577 --> 00:06:03,997 of the precipice. 109 00:06:03,997 --> 00:06:07,340 - Unless we face it, there's no indication that it's 110 00:06:07,340 --> 00:06:08,720 gonna get any better. 111 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:10,840 And I'm afraid that it will get worse. 112 00:06:10,840 --> 00:06:13,280 And that means shorter lives. 113 00:06:13,280 --> 00:06:14,760 And lives with more misery. 114 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,860 And more susceptibility to the big pandemics. 115 00:06:17,860 --> 00:06:20,420 So, there's a lot of risk out there. 116 00:06:20,420 --> 00:06:21,820 But we have the tools. 117 00:06:21,820 --> 00:06:25,780 And if we had the way, we could fix it. 118 00:06:25,780 --> 00:06:28,640 - [Voiceover] Four lifestyle risk factors have been 119 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,520 identified by the World Health Organization as driving 120 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,260 this epidemic: 121 00:06:33,260 --> 00:06:34,000 smoking, 122 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,100 misuse of alcohol, 123 00:06:35,100 --> 00:06:36,160 poor diet, 124 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,720 and lack of exercise. 125 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,380 But what if this isn't the complete picture? 126 00:06:42,380 --> 00:06:45,240 What if there is an important piece of the jigsaw 127 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:49,280 that up until now, has been missed? 128 00:06:49,280 --> 00:06:52,180 Scientists have recently embarked on a new journey 129 00:06:52,180 --> 00:06:53,660 of discovery. 130 00:06:53,660 --> 00:06:57,120 A journey that takes us through the lens of a microscope 131 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,880 to discover who we really are. 132 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:04,880 And how a species could get so sick so fast. 133 00:07:06,070 --> 00:07:09,110 Let's rewind to the origins of life on Earth. 134 00:07:09,110 --> 00:07:12,090 To 3.4 billion years ago. 135 00:07:12,090 --> 00:07:15,810 All life on planet Earth evolved from bacteria. 136 00:07:15,810 --> 00:07:18,510 Over billions and millions of years, 137 00:07:18,510 --> 00:07:23,390 bacteria spread far and wide across the planet. 138 00:07:23,390 --> 00:07:26,430 In the deepest oceans, in the heart of mountains, 139 00:07:26,430 --> 00:07:28,910 in the atmosphere. 140 00:07:28,910 --> 00:07:33,910 - Life appeared on Earth about 3.4 billion years ago. 141 00:07:34,690 --> 00:07:36,750 And they were first. 142 00:07:36,750 --> 00:07:38,950 This is a microbial planet. 143 00:07:38,950 --> 00:07:40,730 Mostly bacteria. 144 00:07:40,730 --> 00:07:44,150 And any other forms of life that came after 145 00:07:44,150 --> 00:07:47,530 had to deal with bacteria. 146 00:07:47,530 --> 00:07:51,030 Some bacteria involved into and with other life forms 147 00:07:51,030 --> 00:07:54,250 to become more complex organisms 148 00:07:54,250 --> 00:07:57,288 and complex ecosystems. 149 00:07:57,288 --> 00:08:02,288 For life at its healthiest, exists as an ecosystem. 150 00:08:02,548 --> 00:08:05,498 A diversity of species that coexist. 151 00:08:05,498 --> 00:08:07,538 That live in harmony. 152 00:08:07,538 --> 00:08:10,798 That live in balance. 153 00:08:10,798 --> 00:08:12,318 But when the harmony is disturbed 154 00:08:12,318 --> 00:08:14,238 and the balance is upset, 155 00:08:14,238 --> 00:08:17,478 or when that diversity of species is reduced, 156 00:08:17,478 --> 00:08:21,098 the ecosystem may become vulnerable to disease, 157 00:08:21,098 --> 00:08:23,598 and could even die. 158 00:08:23,598 --> 00:08:25,838 - If you removed half of the types of trees 159 00:08:25,838 --> 00:08:29,618 in a very diverse forest, it doesn't stay the same 160 00:08:29,618 --> 00:08:31,858 for the rest of the trees that are there. 161 00:08:31,858 --> 00:08:33,258 There's extra space. 162 00:08:33,258 --> 00:08:36,758 The dynamics of the interactions are completely changed. 163 00:08:36,758 --> 00:08:40,478 Of the insects, the animals, may be changed 164 00:08:40,478 --> 00:08:43,138 because of habitat, and the entire forest 165 00:08:43,138 --> 00:08:45,358 takes on a totally different flavor. 166 00:08:45,358 --> 00:08:48,998 And in some cases, a very unpredictable flavor. 167 00:08:48,998 --> 00:08:51,778 This can happen in a local ecosystem. 168 00:08:51,778 --> 00:08:54,098 It can happen at a planetary level, 169 00:08:54,098 --> 00:08:57,098 but it can also happen at the micro level. 170 00:08:57,098 --> 00:08:59,818 It can even happen within us. 171 00:08:59,818 --> 00:09:04,378 Because we are a walking ecosystem. 172 00:09:04,378 --> 00:09:08,458 The human body is host to trillions of microbes. 173 00:09:08,458 --> 00:09:13,058 They outnumber our human cells by an astonishing ratio 174 00:09:13,058 --> 00:09:14,698 of 10:1. 175 00:09:14,698 --> 00:09:18,738 - So, it's estimated that we have about 10 trillion 176 00:09:18,738 --> 00:09:20,958 human cells in our body, 177 00:09:20,958 --> 00:09:22,818 and the current estimate is that we have about 178 00:09:22,818 --> 00:09:26,478 a 100 trillion microbes living in our body. 179 00:09:26,478 --> 00:09:30,218 And that's how it is everyday of our life. 180 00:09:30,218 --> 00:09:34,578 - We're 90% microbial and only 10% mammalian. 181 00:09:34,578 --> 00:09:37,598 The microbial part is said to be our microbiome. 182 00:09:37,598 --> 00:09:40,698 - So, the microbiome are all the organisms 183 00:09:40,698 --> 00:09:42,558 that live in the human body. 184 00:09:42,558 --> 00:09:46,518 Bacteria, fungi, viruses, protozoa. 185 00:09:46,518 --> 00:09:49,718 They're the organisms that live in and on us 186 00:09:49,718 --> 00:09:51,938 that make us home. 187 00:09:51,938 --> 00:09:54,978 - We estimate that they're approximately a thousand 188 00:09:54,978 --> 00:09:57,058 species in the intestine. 189 00:09:57,058 --> 00:09:59,918 Approximately 700 in the mouth. 190 00:09:59,918 --> 00:10:04,770 Approximately 300 to 400 in the vagina. 191 00:10:04,770 --> 00:10:07,410 Approximately 700 in the skin. 192 00:10:07,410 --> 00:10:09,570 - You know, I used to be aware that I had 193 00:10:09,570 --> 00:10:12,690 organisms on my skin and in my gut 194 00:10:12,690 --> 00:10:14,990 and inside me, 195 00:10:14,990 --> 00:10:18,730 but to now think about this me, 196 00:10:18,730 --> 00:10:21,910 which is more microbe than human cells, 197 00:10:21,910 --> 00:10:26,700 I don't know as if it connects me to universe a bit more. 198 00:10:26,700 --> 00:10:29,030 - [Voiceover] This relationship between bacteria 199 00:10:29,030 --> 00:10:31,210 and our human cells is one based on cooperation 200 00:10:31,210 --> 00:10:33,130 and collaboration. 201 00:10:33,130 --> 00:10:36,381 For thousands of years, this relationship has evolved. 202 00:10:36,381 --> 00:10:39,901 We provide a home, a habitat for the bacteria. 203 00:10:39,901 --> 00:10:43,061 In return, the bacteria in us and on us 204 00:10:43,061 --> 00:10:45,521 help provide security. 205 00:10:45,521 --> 00:10:48,121 Their important in helping us function as humans 206 00:10:48,121 --> 00:10:50,961 should not be underestimated. 207 00:10:50,961 --> 00:10:53,601 Bacteria help regulate our metabolism, 208 00:10:53,601 --> 00:10:56,381 and they play an essential role in setting up 209 00:10:56,381 --> 00:10:58,301 our immune system. 210 00:10:58,301 --> 00:11:00,381 - We have grown up with our microbes 211 00:11:00,381 --> 00:11:02,461 over many, many generations. 212 00:11:02,461 --> 00:11:03,941 And in fact, we form what's called 213 00:11:03,941 --> 00:11:06,561 a symbiotic super organism. 214 00:11:06,561 --> 00:11:09,001 Because we do things for each other. 215 00:11:09,001 --> 00:11:11,801 And those things are very important for the health 216 00:11:11,801 --> 00:11:14,461 of the total organism. 217 00:11:14,461 --> 00:11:16,661 - [Voiceover] Oue own ecosystem has thrived, 218 00:11:16,661 --> 00:11:19,661 a diversity of species and balance. 219 00:11:19,661 --> 00:11:22,021 But in the last century or so, 220 00:11:22,021 --> 00:11:25,401 this ecosystem has become under threat. 221 00:11:25,401 --> 00:11:27,601 - Just like a forest, you can't start cutting out 222 00:11:27,601 --> 00:11:32,601 major sectors, major tree species, reduce the diversity, 223 00:11:33,101 --> 00:11:34,581 and expect things to stay the same and 224 00:11:34,581 --> 00:11:37,301 that forest to stay healthy. 225 00:11:37,301 --> 00:11:40,261 It doesn't and we don't when we've lost the diversity 226 00:11:40,261 --> 00:11:41,914 in our microbes. 227 00:11:41,914 --> 00:11:43,274 - [Voiceover] The way we live our lives 228 00:11:43,274 --> 00:11:45,154 has changed dramatically. 229 00:11:45,154 --> 00:11:48,414 And scientists are now hypothesizing that this is having 230 00:11:48,414 --> 00:11:51,194 an effect on our ecosystem. 231 00:11:51,194 --> 00:11:53,254 The balance has become disturbed. 232 00:11:53,254 --> 00:11:55,534 The scales are starting to tip. 233 00:11:55,534 --> 00:11:59,534 The ecosystem has become sick. 234 00:11:59,534 --> 00:12:01,354 - Let's say you have 10 diseases that 235 00:12:01,354 --> 00:12:03,354 are rising at the same time. 236 00:12:03,354 --> 00:12:05,794 Each one might have a separate cause. 237 00:12:05,794 --> 00:12:07,954 Or perhaps there's one thing that's fueling 238 00:12:07,954 --> 00:12:10,674 them all, that's causing all of them to rise. 239 00:12:10,674 --> 00:12:13,074 And I think that one thing is a change 240 00:12:13,074 --> 00:12:14,734 in our microbiome, 241 00:12:14,734 --> 00:12:16,894 and what I've called missing microbes, 242 00:12:16,894 --> 00:12:19,954 or the disappearing microbiota hypothesis. 243 00:12:19,954 --> 00:12:23,274 That our ancient microbiome which protected 244 00:12:23,274 --> 00:12:26,494 us against many diseases is degrading. 245 00:12:26,494 --> 00:12:31,334 And with that degradation, these diseases are being fueled. 246 00:12:31,334 --> 00:12:34,434 - When we compare our microbiomes 247 00:12:34,434 --> 00:12:38,334 with those from peoples living isolated in jungles 248 00:12:38,334 --> 00:12:40,294 of South America for example, 249 00:12:40,294 --> 00:12:44,474 with no record of exposure to antibiotics before, 250 00:12:44,474 --> 00:12:48,554 we estimate we have lost about a third of the diversity 251 00:12:48,554 --> 00:12:50,894 of our microbes. 252 00:12:50,894 --> 00:12:54,234 - It's pretty clear that our diversity is going down. 253 00:12:54,234 --> 00:12:57,714 And that to an ecologist is dangerous. 254 00:12:57,714 --> 00:13:02,714 Because the diversity protects us. 255 00:13:04,254 --> 00:13:07,074 We have evidence that the organisms are disappearing. 256 00:13:07,074 --> 00:13:08,674 So, the question is why? 257 00:13:08,674 --> 00:13:11,254 And I would say part of it is modern life. 258 00:13:11,254 --> 00:13:14,074 Nothing prepared our microbiome 259 00:13:14,074 --> 00:13:16,314 for clean water, and smaller families, 260 00:13:16,314 --> 00:13:17,854 and Caesarean sections, 261 00:13:17,854 --> 00:13:20,674 and anti-bacterial substances everywhere, 262 00:13:20,674 --> 00:13:23,454 and of course 70 years of antibiotics. 263 00:13:23,454 --> 00:13:26,134 - [Voiceover] In 1928, Sir Alexander Fleming 264 00:13:26,134 --> 00:13:29,034 made a world changing discovery. 265 00:13:29,034 --> 00:13:30,634 Penicillin. 266 00:13:30,634 --> 00:13:33,054 - Initially, a very small amount 267 00:13:33,054 --> 00:13:35,014 of penicillin could be made. 268 00:13:35,014 --> 00:13:37,794 In the case of penicillin, it's caused by a fungus, 269 00:13:37,794 --> 00:13:39,014 or a mold. 270 00:13:39,014 --> 00:13:41,814 And in the early 1940s, 271 00:13:41,814 --> 00:13:43,669 while World War II was going on, 272 00:13:43,669 --> 00:13:46,749 scientists were looking for a good source of penicillin, 273 00:13:46,749 --> 00:13:49,249 a mold that really produced a lot. 274 00:13:49,249 --> 00:13:51,769 And that mold where most of the penicillin, 275 00:13:51,769 --> 00:13:53,549 even til today comes from, 276 00:13:53,549 --> 00:13:57,249 came from one moldy cantaloupe in Illinois. 277 00:13:57,249 --> 00:14:00,249 And that was the great strain that produced 278 00:14:00,249 --> 00:14:02,349 huge amounts and we could harness that 279 00:14:02,349 --> 00:14:05,309 to good for us. 280 00:14:05,309 --> 00:14:07,589 - [Voiceover] That moldy melon, and the arrival 281 00:14:07,589 --> 00:14:10,809 of mass produced antibiotics changed the face 282 00:14:10,809 --> 00:14:12,649 of modern medicine. 283 00:14:12,649 --> 00:14:16,569 - For those of us who've lived in recent decades, 284 00:14:16,569 --> 00:14:20,189 historically, we've lived in a quite a privileged period 285 00:14:20,189 --> 00:14:21,709 of human history, because we've had these 286 00:14:21,709 --> 00:14:24,069 powerful medicines to fight these bacteria 287 00:14:24,069 --> 00:14:25,909 that cause disease. 288 00:14:25,909 --> 00:14:28,489 - Antibiotics underpin most medicine. 289 00:14:28,489 --> 00:14:31,809 It's hard to do surgery without antibiotics. 290 00:14:31,809 --> 00:14:35,689 It's hard to do transplantation, or chemotherapy. 291 00:14:35,689 --> 00:14:39,089 We need antibiotics to help protect us against bacteria. 292 00:14:39,089 --> 00:14:42,769 And in consequence, antibiotics are being used 293 00:14:42,769 --> 00:14:44,649 more and more and more. 294 00:14:44,649 --> 00:14:46,869 And certainly, here in the United States, 295 00:14:46,869 --> 00:14:49,529 they're very much overused. 296 00:14:49,529 --> 00:14:51,569 - [Voiceover] Widespread use of broad spectrum 297 00:14:51,569 --> 00:14:55,349 antibiotics kill off good bacteria as well as disease 298 00:14:55,349 --> 00:14:57,289 causing pathogens. 299 00:14:57,289 --> 00:15:00,609 Combined this with the use of antibacterial products 300 00:15:00,609 --> 00:15:04,789 that claim to kill 99.9% of all bacteria. 301 00:15:04,789 --> 00:15:08,009 And it seems that over the past 70 years, 302 00:15:08,009 --> 00:15:11,369 we have been waging war on our microbes. 303 00:15:11,369 --> 00:15:16,369 This may be taking its toll on our microbial populations. 304 00:15:18,758 --> 00:15:21,098 But where does our microbiome come from? 305 00:15:21,098 --> 00:15:25,278 When are the seeds of our bacterial ecosystem sewn? 306 00:15:25,278 --> 00:15:28,019 The critical time for seeding our microbiome 307 00:15:28,019 --> 00:15:31,078 happens during childbirth. 308 00:15:31,078 --> 00:15:33,798 Preparations for founding the baby's bacterial 309 00:15:33,798 --> 00:15:37,938 ecosystem actually start inside the mother during pregnancy. 310 00:15:37,938 --> 00:15:40,198 Scientists believe the baby grows up 311 00:15:40,198 --> 00:15:43,278 in a near sterile environment in the womb. 312 00:15:43,278 --> 00:15:46,358 Emerging research suggests that a small number 313 00:15:46,358 --> 00:15:50,138 of bacterial communities may be present in the placenta. 314 00:15:50,138 --> 00:15:53,198 And other recent research suggests that small colonies 315 00:15:53,198 --> 00:15:56,318 of bacteria might also be present in the womb. 316 00:15:56,318 --> 00:16:01,258 But the main seeding event occurs at birth. 317 00:16:01,258 --> 00:16:03,778 In the weeks and days leading up to the birth, 318 00:16:03,778 --> 00:16:06,778 key bacterial species gather in the mother's breasts 319 00:16:06,778 --> 00:16:10,728 and her vagina, then during labor and birth. 320 00:16:10,728 --> 00:16:13,398 A special cocktail of bacteria is transferred from 321 00:16:13,398 --> 00:16:16,038 the mother to the baby in the birth canal. 322 00:16:16,038 --> 00:16:21,038 (woman laughing) (water splashing) 323 00:16:25,218 --> 00:16:27,538 - And as the baby starts going out through 324 00:16:27,538 --> 00:16:30,358 the birth canal, the baby is acquiring the 325 00:16:30,358 --> 00:16:32,898 mother's bacteria from the vagina, 326 00:16:32,898 --> 00:16:35,158 the baby is covered with the bacteria. 327 00:16:35,158 --> 00:16:38,718 The baby is coated, is swallowing the bacteria. 328 00:16:38,718 --> 00:16:41,198 And that's the baby's first introduction 329 00:16:41,198 --> 00:16:42,298 to the world of bacteria. 330 00:16:42,298 --> 00:16:43,938 The world that we all live on. 331 00:16:43,938 --> 00:16:48,938 That's the founding microbiome for that baby. 332 00:16:51,012 --> 00:16:52,212 - [Voiceover] Rodney Dietert, 333 00:16:52,212 --> 00:16:55,872 Professor of Immunotoxicology from Cornell University 334 00:16:55,872 --> 00:16:58,592 believes that this microscopic process that happens 335 00:16:58,592 --> 00:17:02,612 during childbirth is critical for future health. 336 00:17:02,612 --> 00:17:06,032 His hypothesis is called the completed self. 337 00:17:06,032 --> 00:17:08,752 - The completed self is the idea that we are intended 338 00:17:08,752 --> 00:17:12,372 to be majority microbial from the very beginning of life. 339 00:17:12,372 --> 00:17:16,372 At birth, we are supposed to be 90% microbial. 340 00:17:16,372 --> 00:17:17,992 And that's the way it should be. 341 00:17:17,992 --> 00:17:21,372 That's the way it is when we're healthy. 342 00:17:21,372 --> 00:17:24,172 When the baby comes down the birth canal 343 00:17:24,172 --> 00:17:26,952 during vaginal delivery, that is the major seeding event 344 00:17:26,952 --> 00:17:29,513 and we know that the gut microbes in particular 345 00:17:29,513 --> 00:17:31,273 are absolutely crucial in what happens 346 00:17:31,273 --> 00:17:35,783 with immune system, and in the capacity to break down 347 00:17:35,783 --> 00:17:38,093 different nutrients and different environmental chemicals. 348 00:17:38,093 --> 00:17:39,993 That's where the action happens. 349 00:17:39,993 --> 00:17:43,553 So, that is probably the single most important event 350 00:17:43,553 --> 00:17:45,128 that's going to chart the course for whether 351 00:17:45,128 --> 00:17:47,328 that baby becomes complete, 352 00:17:47,328 --> 00:17:49,588 and whether that baby experiences a life 353 00:17:49,588 --> 00:17:52,908 filled with health or one filled with disease. 354 00:17:52,908 --> 00:17:55,268 - [Voiceover] The next stage for the microscopic transfer 355 00:17:55,268 --> 00:17:59,643 of microbes happens during skin to skin with the mother. 356 00:17:59,643 --> 00:18:03,403 Immediate skin to skin contact allows for the transfer 357 00:18:03,403 --> 00:18:06,843 of skin bacteria from mother to baby. 358 00:18:06,843 --> 00:18:09,063 And is important for other hormonal 359 00:18:09,063 --> 00:18:11,443 and biological processes. 360 00:18:11,443 --> 00:18:14,463 - When that baby comes out, the natural habitat 361 00:18:14,463 --> 00:18:16,363 for that baby is the mother's body. 362 00:18:16,363 --> 00:18:18,103 And that baby should go directly 363 00:18:18,103 --> 00:18:19,703 skin to skin with the mother. 364 00:18:19,703 --> 00:18:22,643 When that happens, oxytocin's released 365 00:18:22,643 --> 00:18:24,823 and the cortisol starts to dampen down 366 00:18:24,823 --> 00:18:26,623 that was released during labor. 367 00:18:26,623 --> 00:18:28,703 The baby starts to smell and search for 368 00:18:28,703 --> 00:18:30,723 the mother's breasts. 369 00:18:30,723 --> 00:18:33,403 The skin is to skin is so amazing, that the mom 370 00:18:33,403 --> 00:18:35,743 will warm up if the baby's cold. 371 00:18:35,743 --> 00:18:37,903 That being on the mom's skin will regulate 372 00:18:37,903 --> 00:18:39,343 the baby's blood sugar. 373 00:18:39,343 --> 00:18:41,323 It regulates the baby's breathing. 374 00:18:41,323 --> 00:18:42,843 It reduces crying. 375 00:18:42,843 --> 00:18:44,563 It reduces stress. 376 00:18:44,563 --> 00:18:48,183 It basically brings that baby into the world 377 00:18:48,183 --> 00:18:50,003 in the gentlest way possible. 378 00:18:50,003 --> 00:18:55,003 And helps it to adapt to being outside in the world. 379 00:18:56,683 --> 00:18:59,303 - And it's an absolutely a critical time. 380 00:18:59,303 --> 00:19:01,483 You know, the oxytocin levels are high. 381 00:19:01,483 --> 00:19:05,703 It's the moment when the mother and the father 382 00:19:05,703 --> 00:19:10,243 will see the eyes of the baby, and often this kind 383 00:19:10,243 --> 00:19:15,003 of position, the baby recognizes the human face. 384 00:19:15,003 --> 00:19:17,543 They will never have that moment again. 385 00:19:17,543 --> 00:19:21,483 It's the first stage of falling in love. 386 00:19:21,483 --> 00:19:26,483 And it actually sets a template for future life. 387 00:19:30,083 --> 00:19:31,823 - [Voiceover] For the baby to have immediate 388 00:19:31,823 --> 00:19:34,883 skin to skin with the mother, is the perfect 389 00:19:34,883 --> 00:19:37,573 situation to establish breast feeding, 390 00:19:37,573 --> 00:19:40,753 the next critical step in terms of the physiological 391 00:19:40,753 --> 00:19:43,233 process of birth. 392 00:19:43,233 --> 00:19:46,153 - When that baby then breastfeeds, 393 00:19:46,153 --> 00:19:48,333 there's a whole other connection and cascade 394 00:19:48,333 --> 00:19:49,933 of hormones that occurs. 395 00:19:49,933 --> 00:19:52,093 The mother's releasing prolactin. 396 00:19:52,093 --> 00:19:54,693 She's releasing oxytocin. 397 00:19:54,693 --> 00:19:56,173 She's calming down. 398 00:19:56,173 --> 00:19:57,693 She's relaxing. 399 00:19:57,693 --> 00:19:59,473 She's falling in love with her baby. 400 00:19:59,473 --> 00:20:02,413 Her baby's feeling the same for her. 401 00:20:02,413 --> 00:20:05,173 - [Voiceover] Breast milk is a very complex substance, 402 00:20:05,173 --> 00:20:08,333 exquisitely designed to provide everything needed 403 00:20:08,333 --> 00:20:10,153 by the baby. 404 00:20:10,153 --> 00:20:12,993 But importantly, breast milk also provides 405 00:20:12,993 --> 00:20:15,613 everything needed by the baby's microbes 406 00:20:15,613 --> 00:20:19,313 that have just been seeded in the baby's gut. 407 00:20:19,313 --> 00:20:21,193 - In breast milk, you have several things 408 00:20:21,193 --> 00:20:22,173 that the baby needs. 409 00:20:22,173 --> 00:20:25,513 First of all, the mother provides certain immune 410 00:20:25,513 --> 00:20:27,573 hormone-like substances that are really important. 411 00:20:27,573 --> 00:20:29,453 Some of those are anti-inflammatory. 412 00:20:29,453 --> 00:20:31,853 And that's going to be part of the challenge. 413 00:20:31,853 --> 00:20:33,733 The baby needs those. 414 00:20:33,733 --> 00:20:36,593 She provides antibodies as well. 415 00:20:36,593 --> 00:20:40,193 And in addition, she provides some microbes 416 00:20:40,193 --> 00:20:42,893 from her own breast tissue, 417 00:20:42,893 --> 00:20:44,853 but she also provides sugars, 418 00:20:44,853 --> 00:20:46,553 oligosaccharides they're called. 419 00:20:46,553 --> 00:20:48,393 - [Voiceover] For many years, scientists were 420 00:20:48,393 --> 00:20:51,033 really puzzled by one of the main components 421 00:20:51,033 --> 00:20:52,233 of breast milk. 422 00:20:52,233 --> 00:20:56,553 The sugars, the oligosaccharides were indigestible 423 00:20:56,553 --> 00:20:58,013 by the baby. 424 00:20:58,013 --> 00:21:00,933 So, why were they there? 425 00:21:00,933 --> 00:21:03,553 - It's very, very complex. 426 00:21:03,553 --> 00:21:08,553 But it especially contains indigestible carbohydrates, 427 00:21:09,368 --> 00:21:11,468 indigestible substrates that the baby will 428 00:21:11,468 --> 00:21:13,968 not be able to digest, 429 00:21:13,968 --> 00:21:16,748 but the good bacteria will. 430 00:21:16,748 --> 00:21:18,783 - [Voiceover] It's only recently that scientists 431 00:21:18,783 --> 00:21:20,703 have discovered that the sugars were there 432 00:21:20,703 --> 00:21:24,923 to feed the newly seeded bacteria in the baby's gut. 433 00:21:24,923 --> 00:21:29,923 To feed, to nurture, and to help them grow in number. 434 00:21:29,988 --> 00:21:34,248 - Breast milk is the best source for the baby's microbes. 435 00:21:34,248 --> 00:21:36,648 And breast feeding beyond six months 436 00:21:36,648 --> 00:21:40,658 were possible, even up to two years. 437 00:21:40,658 --> 00:21:42,248 A lengthy duration of breast feeding 438 00:21:42,248 --> 00:21:43,708 is really important because breast milk 439 00:21:43,708 --> 00:21:48,708 contains the sugars that help the baby's microbes 440 00:21:48,728 --> 00:21:50,408 to mature themselves. 441 00:21:50,408 --> 00:21:53,288 They're exquisitely designed for those microbes, 442 00:21:53,288 --> 00:21:55,468 and they're the best nutrient source. 443 00:21:55,468 --> 00:21:57,748 And so that becomes extremely important. 444 00:21:57,748 --> 00:22:02,748 To nurture a well seeded microbiome that's in the baby. 445 00:22:04,988 --> 00:22:07,028 - [Voiceover] What happens if you interrupt this 446 00:22:07,028 --> 00:22:11,988 complex process of feeding the newly seeded microbiome? 447 00:22:11,988 --> 00:22:15,808 - If we break the natural rule of breastfeeding, 448 00:22:15,808 --> 00:22:20,808 naturally, we may also be helping to compromise 449 00:22:22,588 --> 00:22:26,288 the education of the immune system of the baby. 450 00:22:26,288 --> 00:22:28,488 - [Voiceover] When a baby is born, it's immune system 451 00:22:28,488 --> 00:22:30,368 is completely naive. 452 00:22:30,368 --> 00:22:33,588 It doesn't what is safe, and what is dangerous. 453 00:22:33,588 --> 00:22:36,728 So, the baby's developing immune system has to learn 454 00:22:36,728 --> 00:22:40,188 which bacteria are the good ones that should be tolerated, 455 00:22:40,188 --> 00:22:43,788 and which bacteria are harmful that should be attacked. 456 00:22:43,788 --> 00:22:46,028 - It is a fascinating story already, 457 00:22:46,028 --> 00:22:50,268 from what we're learning about the interaction between 458 00:22:50,268 --> 00:22:53,288 the gut microbod in the infant as it develops. 459 00:22:53,288 --> 00:22:56,548 And also the development of the infant immune system. 460 00:22:56,548 --> 00:22:57,608 They're connected. 461 00:22:57,608 --> 00:23:00,688 And so, as the gut microbod is developing 462 00:23:00,688 --> 00:23:03,128 over the first year of life, so is that immune system. 463 00:23:03,128 --> 00:23:06,388 And the way it is developing, it's learning 464 00:23:06,388 --> 00:23:10,308 what is friend and what is foe. 465 00:23:10,308 --> 00:23:13,208 You know, what is beneficial good bacteria, 466 00:23:13,208 --> 00:23:15,728 and what is harmful. 467 00:23:15,728 --> 00:23:18,588 - So, what we have here is an image of one of the types 468 00:23:18,588 --> 00:23:21,288 of immune cells in our body called macrophage. 469 00:23:21,288 --> 00:23:25,628 We study the mechanisms of exactly how 470 00:23:25,628 --> 00:23:28,588 other cells in the body are told, 471 00:23:28,588 --> 00:23:31,608 "Hey, we have an infection, come help us out." 472 00:23:31,608 --> 00:23:34,388 - [Voiceover] The first bacteria to arrive 473 00:23:34,388 --> 00:23:37,521 in the baby's gut kick starts this process. 474 00:23:37,521 --> 00:23:40,881 They prime the baby's immune system. 475 00:23:40,881 --> 00:23:43,561 Scientists believe that the immune system 476 00:23:43,561 --> 00:23:45,693 has one chance to do this. 477 00:23:45,693 --> 00:23:50,053 One chance for optimal future health. 478 00:23:50,053 --> 00:23:51,593 - This is extremely important, 479 00:23:51,593 --> 00:23:55,673 and if you upset this process, which is so crucial 480 00:23:55,673 --> 00:24:00,333 in the early life, then we may have consequences later. 481 00:24:00,333 --> 00:24:02,353 - We need our microbes in place, 482 00:24:02,353 --> 00:24:04,873 at birth or shortly thereafter. 483 00:24:04,873 --> 00:24:06,953 And the reason is, that that's when the immune training 484 00:24:06,953 --> 00:24:08,273 needs to happen. 485 00:24:08,273 --> 00:24:10,573 You may have an opportunity to correct the balance 486 00:24:10,573 --> 00:24:14,553 in the microbes by taking probiotics later in life, 487 00:24:14,553 --> 00:24:15,833 and that's great in a way, 488 00:24:15,833 --> 00:24:18,773 but it doesn't answer the problem with the immune system. 489 00:24:18,773 --> 00:24:19,773 There's one chance. 490 00:24:19,773 --> 00:24:21,433 There's a narrow window. 491 00:24:21,433 --> 00:24:23,893 If we miss the window, at that point, then the immune 492 00:24:23,893 --> 00:24:26,113 system never matures correctly. 493 00:24:26,113 --> 00:24:29,153 And that could lead to haphazard responses 494 00:24:29,153 --> 00:24:32,893 and production to disease later in life. 495 00:24:32,893 --> 00:24:35,493 - [Voiceover] If this complex seeding and feeding process 496 00:24:35,493 --> 00:24:38,573 is interfered with, this could effect the development 497 00:24:38,573 --> 00:24:41,793 of a child's bacterial ecosystem. 498 00:24:41,793 --> 00:24:44,213 This could effect metabolic processes 499 00:24:44,213 --> 00:24:46,233 and the immune system. 500 00:24:46,233 --> 00:24:49,093 As a result, this could make our children 501 00:24:49,093 --> 00:24:53,053 more susceptible to disease. 502 00:24:53,053 --> 00:24:56,433 Scientists are hypothesizing this is what could be 503 00:24:56,433 --> 00:25:00,753 happening born by Caesarean section. 504 00:25:00,753 --> 00:25:03,013 Caesarean rates have sky rocketed 505 00:25:03,013 --> 00:25:04,893 in the past few decades. 506 00:25:04,893 --> 00:25:08,293 In the U.K., a quarter of all babies are now born 507 00:25:08,293 --> 00:25:09,993 by Caesarean section. 508 00:25:09,993 --> 00:25:12,733 In the U.S., it is around a third. 509 00:25:12,733 --> 00:25:14,973 In China, it is about half. 510 00:25:14,973 --> 00:25:17,813 And in some private hospitals in Brazil, 511 00:25:17,813 --> 00:25:22,813 the Caesarean rate is over 90%. 512 00:25:22,813 --> 00:25:26,413 - The rate of Caesarean section is going up 513 00:25:26,413 --> 00:25:27,393 around the world. 514 00:25:27,393 --> 00:25:29,513 Now, in many instances, that is a jolly good thing 515 00:25:29,513 --> 00:25:32,113 because Caesarean section can be life saving. 516 00:25:32,113 --> 00:25:33,873 And there are parts of the world where women 517 00:25:33,873 --> 00:25:35,993 need Caesarean sections for their own health, 518 00:25:35,993 --> 00:25:38,033 for the health of their babies, and they don't 519 00:25:38,033 --> 00:25:39,973 have rapid access to them. 520 00:25:39,973 --> 00:25:42,013 So, we've got a paradoxical situation, 521 00:25:42,013 --> 00:25:43,893 where in some parts of the world, 522 00:25:43,893 --> 00:25:46,813 women who need Caesarean sections can't get them. 523 00:25:46,813 --> 00:25:48,573 And in other parts of the world, 524 00:25:48,573 --> 00:25:50,833 women who don't need Caesarean sections 525 00:25:50,833 --> 00:25:55,493 are having their deliveries in that way. 526 00:25:55,493 --> 00:25:58,213 - My personal view of why the Caesarean section rate 527 00:25:58,213 --> 00:26:00,673 has been rising steadily ever since high qualified, 528 00:26:00,673 --> 00:26:03,353 is that we keep making Caesareans safer. 529 00:26:03,353 --> 00:26:05,853 And because they're safer, that means the threshold 530 00:26:05,853 --> 00:26:09,193 of risk in labor in which we would resort to a Caesarean 531 00:26:09,193 --> 00:26:11,333 gets lower and lower, and lower. 532 00:26:11,333 --> 00:26:13,493 And it's not just the professionals who perceive this. 533 00:26:13,493 --> 00:26:15,613 The women themselves perceive Caesareans 534 00:26:15,613 --> 00:26:18,153 as being relatively safe, which of course they are. 535 00:26:18,153 --> 00:26:20,553 And hence, they're more likely to request 536 00:26:20,553 --> 00:26:23,453 Caesarean section at a lower level of risk than they would 537 00:26:23,453 --> 00:26:26,053 have done in 20 or 30 years ago. 538 00:26:26,053 --> 00:26:28,653 - [Voiceover] Caesarean sections are sometimes essential, 539 00:26:28,653 --> 00:26:30,813 and can be life-saving. 540 00:26:30,813 --> 00:26:33,333 But there are some known short-term health risks 541 00:26:33,333 --> 00:26:37,913 for the baby associated with being born in this way. 542 00:26:37,913 --> 00:26:40,716 - Babies born by elective Caesarean section 543 00:26:40,716 --> 00:26:43,576 who haven't been exposed to the normal process of labor, 544 00:26:43,576 --> 00:26:46,616 do have more in the way of short-term health problems. 545 00:26:46,616 --> 00:26:48,436 Perhaps the one that's most well known is 546 00:26:48,436 --> 00:26:50,316 respiratory problems, and they can be quite unwell 547 00:26:50,316 --> 00:26:52,656 with these respiratory problems, 548 00:26:52,656 --> 00:26:53,936 they can need intensive care. 549 00:26:53,936 --> 00:26:56,636 Obviously the majority just have mild degrees 550 00:26:56,636 --> 00:26:59,516 of respiratory problems. 551 00:26:59,516 --> 00:27:02,356 These babies also find it much more difficult 552 00:27:02,356 --> 00:27:04,236 to establish feeding. 553 00:27:04,236 --> 00:27:07,276 They're much more likely to have low blood sugar levels. 554 00:27:07,276 --> 00:27:10,236 They tend to be sleepier, a bit more drowsy. 555 00:27:10,236 --> 00:27:12,976 The short-term problems are well-recognized. 556 00:27:12,976 --> 00:27:16,336 But where our research is asking new questions 557 00:27:16,336 --> 00:27:19,756 is are there long-term implications from having been 558 00:27:19,756 --> 00:27:22,636 born by Caesarean section as well? 559 00:27:22,636 --> 00:27:25,556 - Until recently, the main emphasis with the Caesarean 560 00:27:25,556 --> 00:27:28,516 has been to avoid the damage of difficult labor 561 00:27:28,516 --> 00:27:29,916 to the mother, and to the baby, 562 00:27:29,916 --> 00:27:31,856 cause the baby can get short of oxygen during 563 00:27:31,856 --> 00:27:33,256 a difficult labor. 564 00:27:33,256 --> 00:27:34,996 And it's been assumed that if you deliver 565 00:27:34,996 --> 00:27:36,716 the baby in good condition by Caesarean, 566 00:27:36,716 --> 00:27:38,830 that therefore the baby will do perfectly well 567 00:27:38,830 --> 00:27:40,330 in the long term. 568 00:27:40,330 --> 00:27:42,830 Unfortunately, it turns out that there is some aspects 569 00:27:42,830 --> 00:27:45,730 of normal natural birth through the vagina 570 00:27:45,730 --> 00:27:48,390 which are missing when you do a Caesarean section, 571 00:27:48,390 --> 00:27:50,830 and it's turning out that that may lead to some problems 572 00:27:50,830 --> 00:27:55,330 for the baby in the long term. 573 00:27:55,330 --> 00:27:57,170 - [Voiceover] If a baby does not pass through the 574 00:27:57,170 --> 00:28:01,770 birth canal, that baby will bypass the mother's bacteria, 575 00:28:01,770 --> 00:28:04,630 encountering instead, bacteria potentially 576 00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:06,810 from other sources. 577 00:28:06,810 --> 00:28:09,730 Scientists are hypothesizing this could come with its 578 00:28:09,730 --> 00:28:14,230 own set of problems. 579 00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:17,190 - So, there's several issues with Caesarean delivery. 580 00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:21,830 First of all, it bypasses the process where the baby's gut 581 00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:25,310 would be seeded by the microbes from the mother's gut 582 00:28:25,310 --> 00:28:28,050 and established at birth, through vaginal delivery. 583 00:28:28,050 --> 00:28:30,750 In addition, the mother is likely to have been 584 00:28:30,750 --> 00:28:33,230 administered drugs, or antibiotics that will effect 585 00:28:33,230 --> 00:28:36,570 both her microbes, and the baby's microbes. 586 00:28:36,570 --> 00:28:39,930 And finally, with Caesarean section occurring in hospitals, 587 00:28:39,930 --> 00:28:43,610 the baby is going to get gut microbes from somewhere. 588 00:28:43,610 --> 00:28:45,730 And unfortunately, they may be of the kind 589 00:28:45,730 --> 00:28:48,730 that exist in hospitals, and are not necessarily healthy 590 00:28:48,730 --> 00:28:51,090 for the baby, such as Clostridium for example. 591 00:28:51,090 --> 00:28:55,190 - And we think, and this is still a hypothesis, 592 00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:59,470 that that's part of the problem, that this generation 593 00:28:59,470 --> 00:29:02,430 of kids have. 594 00:29:02,430 --> 00:29:05,370 There immune system has been primed 595 00:29:05,370 --> 00:29:08,010 by the wrong set of bacteria. 596 00:29:08,010 --> 00:29:10,970 The seeding of the baby's micobiome could be critical 597 00:29:10,970 --> 00:29:14,130 not just for the gut and the developing immune system, 598 00:29:14,130 --> 00:29:17,010 but the latest research is also linking the seeding 599 00:29:17,010 --> 00:29:18,970 of the baby's microbiome with the development 600 00:29:18,970 --> 00:29:23,970 of other tissues, including the brain. 601 00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:28,010 - The baby's microbes that are seeded by the mother 602 00:29:28,010 --> 00:29:29,450 into the gut are important, 603 00:29:29,450 --> 00:29:33,010 not just for the gut, but for most of our tissues. 604 00:29:33,010 --> 00:29:35,430 And one example is, the brain. 605 00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:38,890 Because we now know that depending upon the seeding, 606 00:29:38,890 --> 00:29:42,310 that occurs, and the diversity of the microbes in the gut, 607 00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:45,758 that affects the brain and the nervous tissue. 608 00:29:45,758 --> 00:29:48,972 So, that a number of neural behavioral disorders 609 00:29:48,972 --> 00:29:52,412 had been linked with the microbes being 610 00:29:52,412 --> 00:29:53,692 not diverse enough. 611 00:29:53,692 --> 00:29:56,212 That the seeding is inadequate. 612 00:29:56,212 --> 00:29:59,332 And as a result, the byproducts that are produced 613 00:29:59,332 --> 00:30:03,572 from normal nutrients by that baby affect the brain 614 00:30:03,572 --> 00:30:06,005 in ways that produce behavioral alterations 615 00:30:06,005 --> 00:30:09,045 that can be a problem. 616 00:30:09,045 --> 00:30:11,365 - The fact that we can get these long term problems for the 617 00:30:11,365 --> 00:30:14,165 baby doesn't mean that we should stop doing Caesareans. 618 00:30:14,165 --> 00:30:15,965 They're clearly going to go on being necessary. 619 00:30:15,965 --> 00:30:18,405 So, the challenge for us is to find ways of dealing 620 00:30:18,405 --> 00:30:19,885 with this particular problem. 621 00:30:19,885 --> 00:30:21,945 Just like we've improved the surgical technique. 622 00:30:21,945 --> 00:30:23,285 We've improved the anesthesia. 623 00:30:23,285 --> 00:30:26,205 We now need to improve how we deal with the baby. 624 00:30:26,205 --> 00:30:29,465 So, that it overcomes this particular problem. 625 00:30:29,465 --> 00:30:33,046 - If a mother must have a C-section, then there are things 626 00:30:33,046 --> 00:30:34,186 that she can still do. 627 00:30:34,186 --> 00:30:35,986 That can be really helpful for the baby. 628 00:30:35,986 --> 00:30:39,606 So, it's very important to have immediate skin-skin contact 629 00:30:39,606 --> 00:30:41,566 when that's possible. 630 00:30:41,566 --> 00:30:44,577 Breast feeding of a significant duration, 631 00:30:44,577 --> 00:30:47,277 six months or more, is really important. 632 00:30:47,277 --> 00:30:50,577 Again, to nurture the microbes in the baby's gut. 633 00:30:50,577 --> 00:30:55,577 In addition, there is an idea of using vaginal swabs, 634 00:30:55,657 --> 00:30:59,177 and how that may be important in attempting to seed 635 00:30:59,177 --> 00:31:00,977 what the baby would have gotten had the baby had 636 00:31:00,977 --> 00:31:02,817 vaginal delivery. 637 00:31:02,817 --> 00:31:05,077 - [Voiceover] Dr. Maria Gloria Dominguez Bello 638 00:31:05,077 --> 00:31:08,777 is leading a pioneering study across multiple countries, 639 00:31:08,777 --> 00:31:12,357 where babies born by Caesarean section are inoculated 640 00:31:12,357 --> 00:31:15,577 with bacteria from their mother's birth canal. 641 00:31:15,577 --> 00:31:18,857 - So, what we do is we take a gauze, 642 00:31:18,857 --> 00:31:22,537 eight centimeters by eight centimeters, 643 00:31:22,537 --> 00:31:26,215 we wet it with a sterile saline solution, 644 00:31:26,215 --> 00:31:30,857 we fold it, and we make like a tampon with a slot of 645 00:31:30,857 --> 00:31:35,797 surface exposed, we fold it as a fan, 646 00:31:35,797 --> 00:31:38,157 and we incubate it in mom's vagina 647 00:31:38,157 --> 00:31:40,617 during the last hour before the procedure, 648 00:31:40,617 --> 00:31:42,557 before the C-section. 649 00:31:42,557 --> 00:31:47,497 And the surgeon takes the gauze out just before 650 00:31:47,497 --> 00:31:51,457 the procedure which lasts, it's really fast. 651 00:31:51,457 --> 00:31:54,157 It lasts between 15 and 20 minutes. 652 00:31:54,157 --> 00:31:58,417 So, the gauze is put into a sterile container 653 00:31:58,417 --> 00:32:01,703 while the surgeon does the procedure, 654 00:32:01,703 --> 00:32:05,137 and when the baby's born, the first thing the baby 655 00:32:05,137 --> 00:32:07,237 will see immediately is that gauze. 656 00:32:07,237 --> 00:32:09,600 We pass it through the mouth first, 657 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,940 then the face, and then the rest of the body. 658 00:32:11,940 --> 00:32:14,040 So, we are currently doing the study. 659 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:15,420 It's a big study. 660 00:32:15,420 --> 00:32:17,980 The full results will not be ready 661 00:32:17,980 --> 00:32:20,280 before two or three years. 662 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,560 But we have decided to take the first babies 663 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,320 and publish a month of their progression, 664 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,960 of their bacterial communities. 665 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:35,960 And what we can tell so far, is that the baby's inoculated, 666 00:32:36,862 --> 00:32:39,182 although they were born by C-section, they look more 667 00:32:39,182 --> 00:32:42,742 similar to vaginal delivered babies than to C-section 668 00:32:42,742 --> 00:32:47,742 delivered babies. 669 00:32:48,902 --> 00:32:52,085 - Swabbing newborn babies could help introduce the mother's 670 00:32:52,085 --> 00:32:55,505 bacteria to babies born by Casesarian, 671 00:32:55,505 --> 00:32:57,925 but there doesn't appear to be a substitute 672 00:32:57,925 --> 00:33:01,425 for the complex interplay of hormones and stresses of 673 00:33:01,425 --> 00:33:03,735 natural child birth that could be 674 00:33:03,735 --> 00:33:06,670 critical for future health. 675 00:33:06,670 --> 00:33:09,330 - The single most important thing we can do for a 676 00:33:09,330 --> 00:33:11,550 healthy baby across a life course, is to ensure 677 00:33:11,550 --> 00:33:16,050 that microbial seeding occurs completely at birth 678 00:33:16,050 --> 00:33:18,630 through vaginal delivery when possible, 679 00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:22,190 the skin-skin contacts occurs, and that the microbes 680 00:33:22,190 --> 00:33:23,930 are supported through breast feeding of 681 00:33:23,930 --> 00:33:25,850 significant duration. 682 00:33:25,850 --> 00:33:27,390 This should be on every birth plan. 683 00:33:27,390 --> 00:33:29,410 Every health professional, every medical professional 684 00:33:29,410 --> 00:33:33,290 attending to the pregnant woman, to the birth process, 685 00:33:33,290 --> 00:33:35,650 through infancy should be aware of these things, 686 00:33:35,650 --> 00:33:38,530 should be aware of the importance of the microbiome 687 00:33:38,530 --> 00:33:40,170 and supporting a healthy microbiome 688 00:33:40,170 --> 00:33:43,070 because that's what's going to influence the health 689 00:33:43,070 --> 00:33:45,910 across a lifespan versus one filled with disease 690 00:33:45,910 --> 00:33:48,932 for that child. 691 00:33:48,932 --> 00:33:51,272 - [Voiceover] Science has shown that bacterial populations 692 00:33:51,272 --> 00:33:54,872 in the gut are passed on from generation to generation 693 00:33:54,872 --> 00:33:56,992 during vaginal birth. 694 00:33:56,992 --> 00:33:59,892 So, a grandmother has similar bacterial species 695 00:33:59,892 --> 00:34:03,612 in her gut as her daughter, and even her granddaughter, 696 00:34:03,612 --> 00:34:05,652 if they all have vaginal births. 697 00:34:05,652 --> 00:34:09,032 And so bacterial transfer can be viewed as a kind of 698 00:34:09,032 --> 00:34:12,592 maternal heritage that is passed on from generation 699 00:34:12,592 --> 00:34:17,172 to generation, from grandmother to mother to daughter. 700 00:34:17,172 --> 00:34:20,432 But what happens if one generation gives birth by 701 00:34:20,432 --> 00:34:22,472 Caesarean section? 702 00:34:22,472 --> 00:34:26,612 This could be breaking the chain of maternal heritage. 703 00:34:26,612 --> 00:34:29,312 Could we be producing a generation of children 704 00:34:29,312 --> 00:34:32,472 who are missing vital bacteria? 705 00:34:32,472 --> 00:34:34,932 And could that be passed down and down 706 00:34:34,932 --> 00:34:38,252 for all future generations? 707 00:34:38,252 --> 00:34:42,702 What is not known is what the consequences of this might be 708 00:34:42,702 --> 00:34:45,612 for humanity. 709 00:34:45,612 --> 00:34:48,052 There's other transgenerational processes 710 00:34:48,052 --> 00:34:51,192 possibly happening during childbirth that could also 711 00:34:51,192 --> 00:34:54,552 have ramifications for our species. 712 00:34:54,552 --> 00:34:58,832 This is the emerging field of epigenetics in childbirth. 713 00:34:58,832 --> 00:35:03,012 Epigenetics very, very simply are heritable changes 714 00:35:03,012 --> 00:35:06,452 in gene expression that are independent of the 715 00:35:06,452 --> 00:35:08,832 underlying DNA. 716 00:35:08,832 --> 00:35:11,732 So, while your DNA is what you inherit from your 717 00:35:11,732 --> 00:35:15,312 mom and your dad, there are parts of your gene 718 00:35:15,312 --> 00:35:17,072 that switch on and switch off. 719 00:35:17,072 --> 00:35:18,732 So, epigenetics is above the gene. 720 00:35:18,732 --> 00:35:21,032 And epigenetics is simply saying that there are 721 00:35:21,032 --> 00:35:24,212 changes made that silence parts of your genes 722 00:35:24,212 --> 00:35:28,592 that can then be passed on into the next generation. 723 00:35:28,592 --> 00:35:31,272 - And what we know happens at birth is that there 724 00:35:31,272 --> 00:35:34,232 is a whole series of genes that you need to be switched on 725 00:35:34,232 --> 00:35:38,332 in order to survive post birth. 726 00:35:38,332 --> 00:35:40,132 And there are genes that you've had switched on 727 00:35:40,132 --> 00:35:41,772 before birth that you need actually need to switch off. 728 00:35:41,772 --> 00:35:44,132 You no longer them throughout life. 729 00:35:44,132 --> 00:35:48,532 And birth appears to be the point that you 730 00:35:48,532 --> 00:35:50,952 switch genes on or switch them off. 731 00:35:50,952 --> 00:35:53,312 - A very, very long period of evolution has brought us 732 00:35:53,312 --> 00:35:56,012 to the point that we are today. 733 00:35:56,012 --> 00:36:00,712 It's highly plausible that normal labor, normal delivery 734 00:36:00,712 --> 00:36:02,532 is in someway a programming event. 735 00:36:02,532 --> 00:36:06,812 And by that, I mean that it turns on genes that affect 736 00:36:06,812 --> 00:36:08,965 certain health trajectories. 737 00:36:08,965 --> 00:36:13,705 - Anything from things occurring in the actual environment 738 00:36:13,705 --> 00:36:17,745 of the mother giving birth to interventions that can occur 739 00:36:17,745 --> 00:36:21,565 during the birth process like giving antibiotics, 740 00:36:21,565 --> 00:36:24,705 inducing labor, providing the mother with pitocin, 741 00:36:24,705 --> 00:36:26,565 C-section delivery, 742 00:36:26,565 --> 00:36:28,945 forceps delivery, and things of that nature. 743 00:36:28,945 --> 00:36:33,245 All of these interventions we believe may have an 744 00:36:33,245 --> 00:36:36,812 implication or may cause changes in the epigenome 745 00:36:36,812 --> 00:36:40,082 that can have later impacts on health outcomes. 746 00:36:40,082 --> 00:36:41,942 - [Voiceover] The actual process of labor as well 747 00:36:41,942 --> 00:36:45,602 as vaginal birth could be critical for long term health. 748 00:36:45,602 --> 00:36:47,642 It could be that the stress of labor is actually 749 00:36:47,642 --> 00:36:49,982 good for the baby. 750 00:36:49,982 --> 00:36:52,942 It could help prime the immune system epigenetically 751 00:36:52,942 --> 00:36:56,922 via a complex process involving hormones and also 752 00:36:56,922 --> 00:37:00,122 have a long term effect on metabolism. 753 00:37:00,122 --> 00:37:03,282 - [Voiceover] What evidence do you have? 754 00:37:03,282 --> 00:37:07,502 - So, at the moment we don't have a lot of evidence 755 00:37:07,502 --> 00:37:10,042 that there are epigenetic changes during pregnancy 756 00:37:10,042 --> 00:37:11,142 and birth. 757 00:37:11,142 --> 00:37:14,922 We got good epidemiological evidence showing that there 758 00:37:14,922 --> 00:37:19,102 are links between ways babies are born and disorders 759 00:37:19,102 --> 00:37:20,182 later in life. 760 00:37:20,182 --> 00:37:21,842 But there are a couple of studies that have come out 761 00:37:21,842 --> 00:37:25,482 showing that there are mutilations or changes seen 762 00:37:25,482 --> 00:37:28,222 genetically with Caesarean section. 763 00:37:28,222 --> 00:37:30,822 There are also studies showing that antibiotic use, 764 00:37:30,822 --> 00:37:33,562 even antibiotic use during labor has been able 765 00:37:33,562 --> 00:37:36,582 to show some evidence of mutilation. 766 00:37:36,582 --> 00:37:38,722 So, we've got some evidence. 767 00:37:38,722 --> 00:37:40,802 But because we've skipped this whole area, 768 00:37:40,802 --> 00:37:43,272 nobody's been looking, and so we're now saying 769 00:37:43,272 --> 00:37:46,152 turn the microscope on birth, it's a really important 770 00:37:46,152 --> 00:37:49,492 part of a human being's life, and therefore probably 771 00:37:49,492 --> 00:37:53,752 has much greater impact genetically than we ever thought. 772 00:37:53,752 --> 00:37:56,052 - [Voiceover] Also have been few large scale university 773 00:37:56,052 --> 00:37:58,712 research studies about the long term effects of 774 00:37:58,712 --> 00:38:01,512 Caesarean sections, the same can be said 775 00:38:01,512 --> 00:38:04,272 about another commonly used intervention. 776 00:38:04,272 --> 00:38:09,272 The use of synthetic oxytocin to induce or speed up labor. 777 00:38:11,232 --> 00:38:15,352 - I have spent the last 33 years trying to answer 778 00:38:15,352 --> 00:38:16,992 the question you have asked me: 779 00:38:16,992 --> 00:38:20,132 what are the long term consequences of pitocin 780 00:38:20,132 --> 00:38:22,552 or syntocinon? 781 00:38:22,552 --> 00:38:27,272 And I would say we still don't know. 782 00:38:27,272 --> 00:38:32,272 The only way we could find out would be to do an experiment. 783 00:38:32,572 --> 00:38:34,392 And I don't think anyone really 784 00:38:34,392 --> 00:38:36,692 wants to be in that experiment. 785 00:38:36,692 --> 00:38:40,872 But because the procedures that are used 786 00:38:40,872 --> 00:38:45,872 to facilitate birth, the use of pitocin, syntocinon, 787 00:38:48,232 --> 00:38:50,332 oxytocin, all the same thing, 788 00:38:50,332 --> 00:38:53,192 has increased so much, we're now at the point, 789 00:38:53,192 --> 00:38:56,872 where there's almost nobody left to study 790 00:38:56,872 --> 00:38:59,692 that hasn't been exposed to it in some way or another. 791 00:38:59,692 --> 00:39:02,161 - Animal studies are indicating that exposure to 792 00:39:02,161 --> 00:39:05,461 synthetic oxytocin around the time of birth 793 00:39:05,461 --> 00:39:08,981 can have detrimental outcomes. 794 00:39:08,981 --> 00:39:13,981 But we can't study the same kind of mechanisms in humans. 795 00:39:15,041 --> 00:39:17,701 So, while we have our correlational studies, 796 00:39:17,701 --> 00:39:22,701 but we certainly need large population based studies 797 00:39:22,761 --> 00:39:26,241 where we can look at associations between 798 00:39:26,241 --> 00:39:29,721 birth exposures and long term outcomes. 799 00:39:29,721 --> 00:39:31,821 - [Voiceover] With the potential transgenerational 800 00:39:31,821 --> 00:39:34,701 effects of epigenetics, long term effects that can 801 00:39:34,701 --> 00:39:38,066 be seen for up to and even beyond 100 years 802 00:39:38,066 --> 00:39:40,726 in the future, we could be altering 803 00:39:40,726 --> 00:39:43,766 genetic components of future generations 804 00:39:43,766 --> 00:39:47,606 right now without even realizing. 805 00:39:47,606 --> 00:39:52,606 - We're interfering and altering so many biological 806 00:39:52,906 --> 00:39:55,066 processes during labor and child birth. 807 00:39:55,066 --> 00:40:00,066 We don't have a clue as to what kind of long term 808 00:40:00,626 --> 00:40:04,906 heritable, intergenerational changes can take place. 809 00:40:04,906 --> 00:40:08,546 It's irresponsible to be biological manipulating 810 00:40:08,546 --> 00:40:12,206 this emerging system in the baby. 811 00:40:12,206 --> 00:40:17,206 This sensitive transitional system in the mother, 812 00:40:18,426 --> 00:40:20,646 and not know the consequences. 813 00:40:20,646 --> 00:40:23,806 - You know, people who work in epigenetics will tell you 814 00:40:23,806 --> 00:40:25,606 you are what your grandmother ate. 815 00:40:25,606 --> 00:40:28,306 This can go on to several generations. 816 00:40:28,306 --> 00:40:30,546 So, we need to start the research now, 817 00:40:30,546 --> 00:40:32,546 so that we haven't waited several generations 818 00:40:32,546 --> 00:40:34,246 before we've got really good answers to things 819 00:40:34,246 --> 00:40:37,466 that we can correct today. 820 00:40:37,466 --> 00:40:39,566 - [Voiceover] Whatever the actual cause, 821 00:40:39,566 --> 00:40:42,726 whether it is epigenetics, or alterations to the baby's 822 00:40:42,726 --> 00:40:46,486 microbiome, a mixture of the two, or possibly 823 00:40:46,486 --> 00:40:50,206 another reason altogether, it appears something is happening 824 00:40:50,206 --> 00:40:53,226 with Caesarean section that is being linked to 825 00:40:53,226 --> 00:40:57,046 increased risk of disease later in life. 826 00:40:57,046 --> 00:40:59,946 - Epidemiologically the data is quite strong, it's linked 827 00:40:59,946 --> 00:41:02,166 to Caesarean section long term outcomes. 828 00:41:02,166 --> 00:41:04,706 Large population studies have shown that asthma 829 00:41:04,706 --> 00:41:07,706 has increased, about a 20% increase risk of asthma. 830 00:41:07,706 --> 00:41:10,326 If you're born by Caesarean section childhood, 831 00:41:10,326 --> 00:41:12,366 compared to if you're born by vaginal delivery, 832 00:41:12,366 --> 00:41:15,526 about a 20% increase in the risk of Type 1 diabetes. 833 00:41:15,526 --> 00:41:18,366 Smaller increases in gastrointestinal problems, 834 00:41:18,366 --> 00:41:21,886 so gout, related conditions, Crohn's disease, 835 00:41:21,886 --> 00:41:24,076 coeliac disease. 836 00:41:24,076 --> 00:41:26,456 All of those conditions cause a link to the immune system, 837 00:41:26,456 --> 00:41:28,176 which is a common theme with them. 838 00:41:28,176 --> 00:41:33,176 Obesity, we see a similar kind of increase in the risk 839 00:41:33,276 --> 00:41:34,876 of obesity. 840 00:41:34,876 --> 00:41:36,916 - [Voiceover] Scientists at Imperial College, London 841 00:41:36,916 --> 00:41:38,956 have recently conducted a study into the link 842 00:41:38,956 --> 00:41:41,896 between Casesarean section and increased risk of 843 00:41:41,896 --> 00:41:44,756 obesity later in life. 844 00:41:44,756 --> 00:41:49,756 - We've just completed and published a very large systematic 845 00:41:49,796 --> 00:41:51,236 review and meta analysis. 846 00:41:51,236 --> 00:41:53,176 In other words, we put together all of the published 847 00:41:53,176 --> 00:41:55,716 world literature which examined the relationship 848 00:41:55,716 --> 00:41:59,396 between obesity and overweight, and mode of delivery. 849 00:41:59,396 --> 00:42:02,196 - So we took a data from over a 100,000 people, 850 00:42:02,196 --> 00:42:04,656 from adults born from around the world, 851 00:42:04,656 --> 00:42:07,836 born by the Caesarean section or vaginal delivery. 852 00:42:07,836 --> 00:42:10,196 And we showed that if you were born by Caesarean 853 00:42:10,196 --> 00:42:12,556 section, on average you had half a unit BMI greater 854 00:42:12,556 --> 00:42:17,196 than if you were born by vaginal delivery. 855 00:42:17,196 --> 00:42:21,128 Half a unit increase BMI in an individual means very little. 856 00:42:21,128 --> 00:42:23,528 I could gain that and lost that in a week, 857 00:42:23,528 --> 00:42:26,628 and wouldn't notice any difference in health impact. 858 00:42:26,628 --> 00:42:29,528 But across the population, half a unit BMI increase 859 00:42:29,528 --> 00:42:33,568 is a massive public health risk. 860 00:42:33,568 --> 00:42:36,148 You see a very large increase in strokes, 861 00:42:36,148 --> 00:42:40,468 in cardiovascular disease, early mortality, etcetera, 862 00:42:40,468 --> 00:42:44,428 all through half a unit BMI increase. 863 00:42:44,428 --> 00:42:46,966 - [Voiceover] As scientists are very keen to point out, 864 00:42:46,966 --> 00:42:51,966 an association is not the same thing as cause. 865 00:42:53,366 --> 00:42:56,006 - We don't know whether or not being born by 866 00:42:56,006 --> 00:43:00,266 Caesarean section causes certain health problems, 867 00:43:00,266 --> 00:43:02,346 causes you to be overweight or obese. 868 00:43:02,346 --> 00:43:05,626 We know there's an association, and I have to emphasize 869 00:43:05,626 --> 00:43:08,806 a phrase in science that is really, really important, 870 00:43:08,806 --> 00:43:12,746 which is that association that does not mean as causation. 871 00:43:12,746 --> 00:43:17,746 So, for example, you might find that the increased 872 00:43:17,841 --> 00:43:21,241 risk in being overweight or obese, if you're born 873 00:43:21,241 --> 00:43:24,581 by Caesarean section is actually because your mom 874 00:43:24,581 --> 00:43:28,521 was overweight, and the risk isn't anything to do with 875 00:43:28,521 --> 00:43:32,201 how you were born, but it's to do with the genes 876 00:43:32,201 --> 00:43:34,141 that you inherited, or it might be due to the environment 877 00:43:34,141 --> 00:43:36,021 in which you were brought up. 878 00:43:36,021 --> 00:43:39,490 So, you can see that we have to be really careful 879 00:43:39,490 --> 00:43:42,270 about whether or not actual mode of delivery 880 00:43:42,270 --> 00:43:43,790 causes these problems. 881 00:43:43,790 --> 00:43:46,390 But it's clearly a very, very important problem. 882 00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:50,460 Because if it is causal, if Caesarean section 883 00:43:50,460 --> 00:43:52,910 does cause health problems, rather than just being 884 00:43:52,910 --> 00:43:55,570 associated with them, then we potentially 885 00:43:55,570 --> 00:43:59,830 have a very big problem on our hands. 886 00:43:59,830 --> 00:44:01,930 - Over the last 20 to 30 years, we've seen dramatic 887 00:44:01,930 --> 00:44:06,930 increases in childhood asthma, Type 1 diabetes, celiac, 888 00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:08,790 childhood obesity. 889 00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:12,190 And we've also had increases in Caesarean delivery. 890 00:44:12,190 --> 00:44:14,970 Does Caesarean cause these conditions? 891 00:44:14,970 --> 00:44:16,050 No. 892 00:44:16,050 --> 00:44:20,330 What Caesarean is to not allow the baby to be seeded 893 00:44:20,330 --> 00:44:21,890 with the microbes. 894 00:44:21,890 --> 00:44:23,630 The immune system doesn't mature and the 895 00:44:23,630 --> 00:44:25,330 metabolism changes. 896 00:44:25,330 --> 00:44:30,330 It's the immune dysfunction and the changes in metabolism 897 00:44:30,890 --> 00:44:32,461 that we now know contribute 898 00:44:32,461 --> 00:44:34,601 to those diseases and conditions. 899 00:44:34,601 --> 00:44:36,481 - [Voiceover] The story of later life disease 900 00:44:36,481 --> 00:44:41,001 associated with Caesarean section doesn't stop there. 901 00:44:41,001 --> 00:44:44,841 - With Caesarean delivery, the problem is those children 902 00:44:44,841 --> 00:44:48,281 are an elevated risk of asthma, Type 1 diabetes, 903 00:44:48,281 --> 00:44:50,741 celiac disease, and obesity. 904 00:44:50,741 --> 00:44:53,101 But that's just the tip of the iceberg. 905 00:44:53,101 --> 00:44:55,921 One of the things that happens with Caesarean delivery, 906 00:44:55,921 --> 00:44:58,241 increasing the risk of these childhood diseases 907 00:44:58,241 --> 00:45:01,521 such as asthma, coeliac disease, and Type 1 diabetes 908 00:45:01,521 --> 00:45:05,481 is that the other diseases where there's elevated risk 909 00:45:05,481 --> 00:45:07,221 may occur later in life. 910 00:45:07,221 --> 00:45:10,361 That the children are essentially programmed as a result 911 00:45:10,361 --> 00:45:13,701 of these early environmental conditions for the appearance 912 00:45:13,701 --> 00:45:17,341 of subsequent chronic diseases. 913 00:45:17,341 --> 00:45:21,721 We know that non-communicable diseases are interlinked. 914 00:45:21,721 --> 00:45:25,001 That if you have one, particularly as a child, your chances 915 00:45:25,001 --> 00:45:29,161 of having another and maybe a third later in life 916 00:45:29,161 --> 00:45:31,281 are very much increased. 917 00:45:31,281 --> 00:45:34,181 So, for example, a child diagnosed with asthma, 918 00:45:34,181 --> 00:45:37,741 it's not just asthma that we need to worry about, 919 00:45:37,741 --> 00:45:41,401 because that child has a greater risk of being obese, 920 00:45:41,401 --> 00:45:43,661 of having behavioral issues, and eventually 921 00:45:43,661 --> 00:45:46,301 developing lung cancer than children who don't 922 00:45:46,301 --> 00:45:47,661 have asthma. 923 00:45:47,661 --> 00:45:50,201 The same thing happens for children with Type 1 diabetes 924 00:45:50,201 --> 00:45:53,041 and very specific non-communicable diseases. 925 00:45:53,041 --> 00:45:55,381 In that case, many of them are autoimmune diseases. 926 00:45:55,381 --> 00:45:57,997 The same thing for children with coeliac disease, 927 00:45:57,997 --> 00:46:00,057 which is increasing at prevalence. 928 00:46:00,057 --> 00:46:02,657 So, that it's not just the first disease that's encountered 929 00:46:02,657 --> 00:46:06,997 in childhood because of low microbial diversity, 930 00:46:06,997 --> 00:46:09,817 but it's the progression of potentially multiple 931 00:46:09,817 --> 00:46:12,557 chronic diseases or non-communicable diseases, 932 00:46:12,557 --> 00:46:16,597 each one requiring a heavy medical intervention 933 00:46:16,597 --> 00:46:20,257 and drug therapies. 934 00:46:20,257 --> 00:46:22,337 - [Voiceover] This emerging science all seems to be 935 00:46:22,337 --> 00:46:24,937 pointing in one clear direction. 936 00:46:24,937 --> 00:46:27,637 That there is a link between Caesarean section 937 00:46:27,637 --> 00:46:30,077 and increased risk of our children developing 938 00:46:30,077 --> 00:46:34,317 not just one, but multiple non-communicable diseases. 939 00:46:34,317 --> 00:46:37,817 If we continue on the same path, it is conceivable 940 00:46:37,817 --> 00:46:41,797 that our actions could actually be accelerating us towards 941 00:46:41,797 --> 00:46:44,357 the disaster scenario predicted by the 942 00:46:44,357 --> 00:46:48,437 World Economic Forum and Harvard School of Public Health, 943 00:46:48,437 --> 00:46:51,617 the bankruptcy of our global healthcare systems. 944 00:46:51,617 --> 00:46:54,097 - You could also actually begin to think about 945 00:46:54,097 --> 00:46:56,857 non-communicable diseases as a deeper threat 946 00:46:56,857 --> 00:46:58,257 to national security. 947 00:46:58,257 --> 00:47:02,978 If we don't find ways for managing these diseases better, 948 00:47:02,978 --> 00:47:06,958 if we can't come up with cheap, or cost effective ways 949 00:47:06,958 --> 00:47:09,978 to address them, we're going to be landed 950 00:47:09,978 --> 00:47:13,358 with quite a big socioeconomic problem 951 00:47:13,358 --> 00:47:16,878 that could be destabilizing in the worst case scenario. 952 00:47:16,878 --> 00:47:19,198 And so I think that's why also we need to raise 953 00:47:19,198 --> 00:47:20,878 more awareness around non-communicable diseases 954 00:47:20,878 --> 00:47:24,078 and get more coordinated action on this. 955 00:47:24,078 --> 00:47:26,018 - [Voiceover] Non-communicable disease is now 956 00:47:26,018 --> 00:47:29,538 being recognized by world leaders as a serious global 957 00:47:29,538 --> 00:47:30,978 health threat. 958 00:47:30,978 --> 00:47:33,138 Action plans are being devised. 959 00:47:33,138 --> 00:47:36,778 But what appears to be completely missing from their agenda 960 00:47:36,778 --> 00:47:39,878 is the link between how we give birth and increased 961 00:47:39,878 --> 00:47:42,558 risk of our children developing multiple 962 00:47:42,558 --> 00:47:46,058 immune-related diseases later in life. 963 00:47:46,058 --> 00:47:47,898 - Well, one thing is for sure. 964 00:47:47,898 --> 00:47:52,898 Is that if you take information to very, very busy world 965 00:47:53,278 --> 00:47:57,438 leaders that is not the subject that is actually being 966 00:47:57,438 --> 00:48:01,969 debated, you stand very little or no chance of being heard. 967 00:48:01,969 --> 00:48:06,309 So, it's crucial to take a subject that they're 968 00:48:06,309 --> 00:48:11,309 all working on first, and then say in order 969 00:48:12,649 --> 00:48:15,589 for you to achieve the goals that we have 970 00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:20,509 all agreed to, you need to know this. 971 00:48:20,509 --> 00:48:22,389 - [Voiceover] Are we too late? 972 00:48:22,389 --> 00:48:23,469 - I don't think we're too late. 973 00:48:23,469 --> 00:48:25,229 But we're definitely not too early either. 974 00:48:25,229 --> 00:48:26,949 This is a really big challenge. 975 00:48:26,949 --> 00:48:29,009 It's something we have to confront urgently. 976 00:48:29,009 --> 00:48:30,809 We have to change our thinking. 977 00:48:30,809 --> 00:48:33,029 We're gonna have to get our brightest minds on this. 978 00:48:33,029 --> 00:48:35,849 We're gonna have to get coordinated at action 979 00:48:35,849 --> 00:48:38,769 both within countries but also between countries. 980 00:48:38,769 --> 00:48:40,869 And I think this is what we're all going to have to 981 00:48:40,869 --> 00:48:45,289 pitch in together for the benefit of humanity. 982 00:48:45,289 --> 00:48:48,369 Looking into the future, if antibiotics are no longer 983 00:48:48,369 --> 00:48:51,257 effective because of antibiotic resistance, and if 984 00:48:51,257 --> 00:48:53,977 we are unwittingly producing a generation 985 00:48:53,977 --> 00:48:56,837 of children with compromised immune systems, 986 00:48:56,837 --> 00:48:58,857 we could be sending our children out into 987 00:48:58,857 --> 00:49:02,517 a world of disease with their shields down. 988 00:49:02,517 --> 00:49:05,157 You can imagine the situation that if we continue 989 00:49:05,157 --> 00:49:08,637 reducing our bacterial diversity, our children 990 00:49:08,637 --> 00:49:11,737 could become more susceptible to infectious disease, 991 00:49:11,737 --> 00:49:13,437 including pandemics. 992 00:49:13,437 --> 00:49:17,837 - Well, the worst case scenario is in fact really terrible. 993 00:49:17,837 --> 00:49:22,837 And that is that we know that the good microbes 994 00:49:23,197 --> 00:49:26,537 of our body help protect us against the bad microbes. 995 00:49:26,537 --> 00:49:30,237 And so the risk, is that of our microbes get too depleted, 996 00:49:30,237 --> 00:49:33,677 then we will become quite susceptible to an invader, 997 00:49:33,677 --> 00:49:36,597 a pathogen that arises somewhere, and that could 998 00:49:36,597 --> 00:49:39,437 spread through our communities all over the world, 999 00:49:39,437 --> 00:49:42,057 and cause a terrible plague or a pandemic. 1000 00:49:42,057 --> 00:49:44,537 Pandemics have occurred in the past, 1001 00:49:44,537 --> 00:49:46,797 and we're vulnerable to pandemics. 1002 00:49:46,797 --> 00:49:48,737 There are many more of us. 1003 00:49:48,737 --> 00:49:50,457 We live closer together. 1004 00:49:50,457 --> 00:49:53,717 Because of jet planes and other forms of travel, 1005 00:49:53,717 --> 00:49:56,057 we're no more than two days away from any village 1006 00:49:56,057 --> 00:49:57,197 in the world. 1007 00:49:57,197 --> 00:50:00,197 So, we have a very large interconnected community. 1008 00:50:00,197 --> 00:50:03,217 And that makes us more susceptible to pathogens. 1009 00:50:03,217 --> 00:50:05,817 And now, if our coastal defenses are weakening, 1010 00:50:05,817 --> 00:50:09,797 if we don't have the diversity, then we're more susceptible. 1011 00:50:09,797 --> 00:50:13,477 That's a scenario that I've called antibiotic winter, 1012 00:50:13,477 --> 00:50:17,707 which is very bleak, because it could really cause 1013 00:50:17,707 --> 00:50:19,622 untold numbers of death. 1014 00:50:19,622 --> 00:50:22,824 Now, if this happened tomorrow, it's too late. 1015 00:50:22,824 --> 00:50:24,424 There's not that much we could do about it. 1016 00:50:24,424 --> 00:50:26,704 But if it were going to happen 50 years from now, 1017 00:50:26,704 --> 00:50:29,344 then we could find ways to protect against it 1018 00:50:29,344 --> 00:50:31,644 and to restore our diversity. 1019 00:50:31,644 --> 00:50:34,184 And that's what we have to do. 1020 00:50:34,184 --> 00:50:36,284 - [Voiceover] Could we now be doing to ourselves 1021 00:50:36,284 --> 00:50:40,764 what we have already started doing to the planet? 1022 00:50:40,764 --> 00:50:44,184 Human kind's impact on our inner ecosystem seems 1023 00:50:44,184 --> 00:50:47,944 to be mirroring the influence we are exerting 1024 00:50:47,944 --> 00:50:50,524 on our global macro ecosystem. 1025 00:50:50,524 --> 00:50:53,764 We're disturbing the balance. 1026 00:50:53,764 --> 00:50:58,144 - Our westernized lifestyle and our technology, 1027 00:50:58,144 --> 00:51:01,904 which has given us so many good things, 1028 00:51:01,904 --> 00:51:04,844 have also collateral damage. 1029 00:51:04,844 --> 00:51:08,004 And we have to understand what is the impact 1030 00:51:08,004 --> 00:51:10,984 and try to correct before it's too late. 1031 00:51:10,984 --> 00:51:15,044 Both at the level of the planet, of our environment, 1032 00:51:15,044 --> 00:51:19,644 of our macro ecoystems, and of our own microbial 1033 00:51:19,644 --> 00:51:23,404 ecoystems that live with us. 1034 00:51:23,404 --> 00:51:25,444 - [Voiceover] Over a quarter of a century ago, 1035 00:51:25,444 --> 00:51:29,304 scientists warned mankind was causing damage 1036 00:51:29,304 --> 00:51:30,924 to our own planet. 1037 00:51:30,924 --> 00:51:33,244 The scientists faced fear resistance. 1038 00:51:33,244 --> 00:51:36,344 And the repercussions of inaction perhaps are now 1039 00:51:36,344 --> 00:51:38,264 being witnessed. 1040 00:51:38,264 --> 00:51:40,944 The same warnings are now being echoed with respect 1041 00:51:40,944 --> 00:51:43,264 to our own species. 1042 00:51:43,264 --> 00:51:46,962 Let's not make the same mistake again. 1043 00:51:46,962 --> 00:51:50,662 We can't afford to wait decades before action is taken. 1044 00:51:50,662 --> 00:51:53,322 Before wide scale studies are commissioned. 1045 00:51:53,322 --> 00:51:56,082 Before the global community wakes up 1046 00:51:56,082 --> 00:51:59,222 to what we may be doing to ourselves. 1047 00:51:59,222 --> 00:52:02,302 And it all starts with birth. 1048 00:52:02,302 --> 00:52:04,002 - [Voiceover] What's the worst case scenario 1049 00:52:04,002 --> 00:52:05,262 if we don't change? 1050 00:52:05,262 --> 00:52:07,582 - Well, the worse case scenario if we don't change 1051 00:52:07,582 --> 00:52:11,122 is that the humanity is heading for a huge health 1052 00:52:11,122 --> 00:52:14,402 crisis which will impact on us economically. 1053 00:52:14,402 --> 00:52:17,582 It will impact on our quality of life, but also most 1054 00:52:17,582 --> 00:52:20,342 significantly it's gonna impact on the next generation. 1055 00:52:20,342 --> 00:52:22,702 And it takes several generations to sometimes 1056 00:52:22,702 --> 00:52:25,972 sort out the problems we've created previously. 1057 00:52:25,972 --> 00:52:27,882 So, we absolutely have to act now. 1058 00:52:27,882 --> 00:52:32,822 If we're wrong, and if it was all smoke and mirrors, 1059 00:52:32,822 --> 00:52:34,482 then we've done no harm. 1060 00:52:34,482 --> 00:52:38,422 However, if we ignore it, we've potentially done huge harm. 1061 00:52:38,422 --> 00:52:41,382 So, that's why we actually have to act now. 1062 00:52:41,382 --> 00:52:44,662 - I think we're in the midst of the largest experiment 1063 00:52:44,662 --> 00:52:47,082 in human history. 1064 00:52:47,082 --> 00:52:51,182 And we're not running the controlled studies that 1065 00:52:51,182 --> 00:52:55,642 we need to know what the consequences are. 1066 00:52:55,642 --> 00:52:59,002 I think that's unethical. 1067 00:52:59,002 --> 00:53:02,702 I don't think it's acceptable. 1068 00:53:02,702 --> 00:53:05,302 I'm not saying we shouldn't use the procedures 1069 00:53:05,302 --> 00:53:08,022 and the medical advances that we have. 1070 00:53:08,022 --> 00:53:12,362 I'm saying we owe it to the children that we're producing, 1071 00:53:12,362 --> 00:53:15,742 to know everything we can about what the consequences 1072 00:53:15,742 --> 00:53:20,742 for that child of those procedures are. 1073 00:53:22,402 --> 00:53:25,062 (dramatic piano music) 1074 00:53:25,062 --> 00:53:27,902 - I think it's extremely urgent because the sooner 1075 00:53:27,902 --> 00:53:32,842 we can identify, and if there are truly risks 1076 00:53:32,842 --> 00:53:35,402 for negative health outcomes down the line, 1077 00:53:35,402 --> 00:53:38,942 we can make a significant impact on health 1078 00:53:38,942 --> 00:53:41,172 for all mankind. 1079 00:53:41,172 --> 00:53:44,292 For the first time ever, the obesity epidemic has reached 1080 00:53:44,292 --> 00:53:47,212 such proportions, that we're likely to see children 1081 00:53:47,212 --> 00:53:49,412 who have a shorter lifespan than their parents 1082 00:53:49,412 --> 00:53:51,572 or their grandparents. 1083 00:53:51,572 --> 00:53:55,472 If how we're born affects our chances of long term health, 1084 00:53:55,472 --> 00:53:59,052 can we do anything to reduce this obesity epidemic 1085 00:53:59,052 --> 00:54:02,372 even by a very small degree, we need to do something 1086 00:54:02,372 --> 00:54:03,492 about this now. 1087 00:54:03,492 --> 00:54:06,632 We need to seize this opportunity to actually turn 1088 00:54:06,632 --> 00:54:08,992 the course of human health. 1089 00:54:08,992 --> 00:54:12,292 The jigsaw is sort of being built isn't it? 1090 00:54:12,292 --> 00:54:16,012 This feels like another really important bit of the jigsaw. 1091 00:54:16,012 --> 00:54:19,332 It's pointing in a clear direction, 1092 00:54:19,332 --> 00:54:23,712 which is child birth is important for the future health 1093 00:54:23,712 --> 00:54:27,892 of our children, and we need to get it right. 1094 00:54:27,892 --> 00:54:30,472 - We have to alert the public about what's going on, 1095 00:54:30,472 --> 00:54:32,592 so that they understand what the stakes are. 1096 00:54:32,592 --> 00:54:34,352 And where this is coming from. 1097 00:54:34,352 --> 00:54:37,872 And we need to do more science to pinpoint 1098 00:54:37,872 --> 00:54:41,032 the problems and also develop the solutions. 1099 00:54:41,032 --> 00:54:45,052 If we're right, and I think we've only just begun to scratch 1100 00:54:45,052 --> 00:54:47,352 the surface on how right we may be, 1101 00:54:47,352 --> 00:54:51,112 then we have got potentially a huge issue coming up 1102 00:54:51,112 --> 00:54:52,552 to face us. 1103 00:54:52,552 --> 00:54:54,972 And a bit like climate change, even though we don't 1104 00:54:54,972 --> 00:54:57,932 have all of the answers as to what's going on, why, 1105 00:54:57,932 --> 00:55:00,472 and how severe that issue might be, 1106 00:55:00,472 --> 00:55:02,912 we're putting resources, we're putting politics, 1107 00:55:02,912 --> 00:55:04,672 we're putting policies behind it, 1108 00:55:04,672 --> 00:55:06,592 and we're changing things because it would be 1109 00:55:06,592 --> 00:55:10,252 so dreadful if we allowed this to escape 1110 00:55:10,252 --> 00:55:12,252 and become a bigger problem than it may. 1111 00:55:12,252 --> 00:55:16,632 - Scene, take one. 1112 00:55:16,632 --> 00:55:18,872 - It's a global problem. 1113 00:55:18,872 --> 00:55:21,232 It's not an American problem, it's not a European problem, 1114 00:55:21,232 --> 00:55:24,132 it's not a Japanese problem, it's not a Chinese problem. 1115 00:55:24,132 --> 00:55:28,768 It's a humanity problem. 1116 00:55:28,768 --> 00:55:30,128 It is (laughing). 1117 00:55:30,128 --> 00:55:32,548 - If we don't take the bigger perspective and fund 1118 00:55:32,548 --> 00:55:35,188 research that asks the smart questions, 1119 00:55:35,188 --> 00:55:37,888 the big questions, the developmental questions, 1120 00:55:37,888 --> 00:55:42,778 intergenerational questions, epigenetic questions, 1121 00:55:42,778 --> 00:55:45,673 how do we know that we're not altering the course 1122 00:55:45,673 --> 00:55:50,143 of humanity? 1123 00:56:16,644 --> 00:56:21,644 (dramatic orchestral music) 86105

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