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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,899 play forward Mitchell slan genre 2 00:00:03,899 --> 00:00:06,240 specific horror writer director watch 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:08,880 balloon very creepy 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:10,679 um Mitchell would you like to introduce 5 00:00:10,679 --> 00:00:11,880 anything about yourself for the movie 6 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:13,200 before we begin 7 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:14,820 sure my name is Mitchell sland I'm a 8 00:00:14,820 --> 00:00:16,740 writer director I've been I mean we've 9 00:00:16,740 --> 00:00:19,500 been making horror films since 2016 I 10 00:00:19,500 --> 00:00:21,660 believe uh here in Los Angeles and uh 11 00:00:21,660 --> 00:00:24,480 balloon was the first short that I ever 12 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,519 really put a lot of my you know love and 13 00:00:26,519 --> 00:00:28,260 effort into and I was really wanted to 14 00:00:28,260 --> 00:00:30,359 be a be a banger or really pop if you 15 00:00:30,359 --> 00:00:32,279 want to call it that and so I just can't 16 00:00:32,279 --> 00:00:34,980 believe that uh years later it's still 17 00:00:34,980 --> 00:00:36,660 kind of making its rounds and we're 18 00:00:36,660 --> 00:00:38,280 still talking about it so I'm very very 19 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,379 excited about that yeah you pulled it 20 00:00:40,379 --> 00:00:42,300 off really well the timing of a lot of 21 00:00:42,300 --> 00:00:45,840 the the stuff that the genre the uh I 22 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,300 guess the theme on the topic 23 00:00:48,300 --> 00:00:52,020 um is is really relevant I think to a 24 00:00:52,020 --> 00:00:53,700 lot of people 25 00:00:53,700 --> 00:00:54,300 um 26 00:00:54,300 --> 00:00:55,739 and 27 00:00:55,739 --> 00:00:58,860 I guess what I mean by that is you know 28 00:00:58,860 --> 00:01:00,600 the trauma of childhood that's it 29 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,760 there's there's some traumatic event in 30 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:04,319 childhood and that's you know the coming 31 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,619 of age kind of process for all of us 32 00:01:07,619 --> 00:01:09,420 um and there are multiple multiple 33 00:01:09,420 --> 00:01:11,580 traumas this trauma happens to be around 34 00:01:11,580 --> 00:01:13,860 a clown and balloons and the main 35 00:01:13,860 --> 00:01:16,260 character trying to get over her fear of 36 00:01:16,260 --> 00:01:18,119 balloons through a very 37 00:01:18,119 --> 00:01:22,100 um I guess uh avant-garde or risky 38 00:01:22,100 --> 00:01:26,040 non-typical therapy session and it ends 39 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,880 up ends up backfiring on her and and you 40 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,820 know with play it forward you know I 41 00:01:32,820 --> 00:01:34,979 really dig into the meat of the content 42 00:01:34,979 --> 00:01:38,640 of the story and that's um where I 43 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,500 believe the heart of the Artistry of 44 00:01:40,500 --> 00:01:44,100 filmmaking and storytelling lies so this 45 00:01:44,100 --> 00:01:46,320 story 46 00:01:46,320 --> 00:01:46,920 um 47 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,439 you know the thing 48 00:01:49,439 --> 00:01:52,619 the theme is I see it and then themes 49 00:01:52,619 --> 00:01:54,240 you see is where where I'd like to 50 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,180 discuss but but before we talk about 51 00:01:57,180 --> 00:01:58,740 theme I almost skipped over the very 52 00:01:58,740 --> 00:02:00,060 first question and play it forward it's 53 00:02:00,060 --> 00:02:02,460 where did this story come from within 54 00:02:02,460 --> 00:02:05,159 your life experience sure well you know 55 00:02:05,159 --> 00:02:06,899 you know it's funny because like 56 00:02:06,899 --> 00:02:09,060 at a time we had been homeless in Los 57 00:02:09,060 --> 00:02:10,619 Angeles we had been like trying to just 58 00:02:10,619 --> 00:02:11,879 kind of you know all survive as artists 59 00:02:11,879 --> 00:02:14,340 we were just brand new and I just had 60 00:02:14,340 --> 00:02:16,200 this I was sitting there and I remember 61 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:17,819 I was trying to do my laundry and this 62 00:02:17,819 --> 00:02:20,879 really like freaky like laundromat and I 63 00:02:20,879 --> 00:02:22,860 remember seeing their like some rerun of 64 00:02:22,860 --> 00:02:25,739 Oprah and she was talking about how she 65 00:02:25,739 --> 00:02:27,540 was diagnosed with globophobia which is 66 00:02:27,540 --> 00:02:29,640 like the fear of balloons and like at 67 00:02:29,640 --> 00:02:31,319 the time I was trying to like I said I 68 00:02:31,319 --> 00:02:32,760 need to make a short that could show I 69 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,080 can make a scary movie I really seem to 70 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,720 get myself out there and that something 71 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,520 about that just triggered just triggered 72 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,440 to me you know it just hit me hard and 73 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,660 when I was a kid I used to like play in 74 00:02:42,660 --> 00:02:44,819 my backyard with my sister and there 75 00:02:44,819 --> 00:02:45,900 were times our parents would just like 76 00:02:45,900 --> 00:02:47,400 they would leave us or they had to go 77 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:48,840 off and do something and I remember just 78 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:50,280 being in the backyard and like our gate 79 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,500 would like open and close by itself and 80 00:02:52,500 --> 00:02:53,640 I always just like would get really 81 00:02:53,640 --> 00:02:55,260 freaked out I'd freaked my own self out 82 00:02:55,260 --> 00:02:57,300 you know just wondering and maybe if I 83 00:02:57,300 --> 00:02:59,280 were to go past that gate without them 84 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,040 knowing like what happened to me or you 85 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:03,239 know would there be somebody waiting for 86 00:03:03,239 --> 00:03:05,519 me and I I and I don't know why that 87 00:03:05,519 --> 00:03:06,720 triggered my brain but those are so 88 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:07,980 those things started coming to my head 89 00:03:07,980 --> 00:03:10,319 after I saw that Rerun and then at the 90 00:03:10,319 --> 00:03:13,620 time too and it was 2016. we had that 91 00:03:13,620 --> 00:03:15,120 kind of I don't know called the clown 92 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,519 epidemic where people were dressing up 93 00:03:17,519 --> 00:03:19,140 as clowns that was all over the news and 94 00:03:19,140 --> 00:03:21,540 people were like scaring just innocent 95 00:03:21,540 --> 00:03:23,400 people in parks and neighborhoods and I 96 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,260 just the ideas started coming to me from 97 00:03:25,260 --> 00:03:26,700 all those three things and that's kind 98 00:03:26,700 --> 00:03:28,860 of how like the script was banged out in 99 00:03:28,860 --> 00:03:31,440 even just a few days wow so I mean you 100 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,720 kind of said a lot there to uh follow up 101 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:37,440 on it um homelessness you said we 102 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,420 yeah well so I mean there was a there 103 00:03:39,420 --> 00:03:41,280 was a band of artists that I had met 104 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:42,720 after my buddy and I moved to Los 105 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:44,099 Angeles and we just all got very close 106 00:03:44,099 --> 00:03:46,500 and you know we had to we sadly had to 107 00:03:46,500 --> 00:03:47,879 leave an apartment for like various 108 00:03:47,879 --> 00:03:50,220 reasons and the place that we got wasn't 109 00:03:50,220 --> 00:03:52,200 gonna be ready for another month so we 110 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:53,640 just kind of like 111 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:55,260 we just kind of lived around Los Angeles 112 00:03:55,260 --> 00:03:57,120 for a month until was ready and it was 113 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:58,860 kind of some of the most fun parts of my 114 00:03:58,860 --> 00:04:00,180 life honestly like it was just kind of 115 00:04:00,180 --> 00:04:01,080 like we didn't know what was going to 116 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:02,700 happen next we were writing the script 117 00:04:02,700 --> 00:04:04,200 and we're trying to like all kind of 118 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:05,580 figure out how we're gonna do it and so 119 00:04:05,580 --> 00:04:07,560 even the way that it looks to me is 120 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,900 still to this day like magical because 121 00:04:09,900 --> 00:04:11,700 you would not believe the nightmares we 122 00:04:11,700 --> 00:04:13,379 went through to get it made you know 123 00:04:13,379 --> 00:04:15,420 yeah I do believe it 124 00:04:15,420 --> 00:04:16,918 um really 125 00:04:16,918 --> 00:04:18,779 um it's it's tough you know making a 126 00:04:18,779 --> 00:04:20,820 short film that's you know visually you 127 00:04:20,820 --> 00:04:23,220 know on point and you know the story The 128 00:04:23,220 --> 00:04:26,100 Narrative the acting is on point as well 129 00:04:26,100 --> 00:04:27,139 um 130 00:04:27,139 --> 00:04:29,880 the other thing you know the follow-up 131 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,699 there is like okay so you know you were 132 00:04:32,699 --> 00:04:34,259 left alone 133 00:04:34,259 --> 00:04:38,400 um as a child and you know there's I 134 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:42,180 think that is you know you can see that 135 00:04:42,180 --> 00:04:44,040 with the main character in the movie The 136 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:45,419 Early Childhood she's at the birthday 137 00:04:45,419 --> 00:04:48,000 party she's alone then exactly and you 138 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,340 know so there's there's definitely that 139 00:04:50,340 --> 00:04:51,600 connection 140 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,000 um interesting then moving on to themes 141 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,960 you know how do you see what do you see 142 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,540 as the message of the movie or the theme 143 00:05:00,540 --> 00:05:03,360 of the movie now from your perspective 144 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:04,919 sorry I mean and yeah all these years 145 00:05:04,919 --> 00:05:07,080 later it's like I can tell myself that 146 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,360 you know it's up to us to face our own 147 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,400 fears and it's it's kind of it's kind of 148 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,080 sad because I know I know she actually 149 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:14,400 did the right Penny did the right thing 150 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:15,960 by trying to find help for herself and 151 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,060 sadly someone did take advantage of that 152 00:05:18,060 --> 00:05:19,740 and I didn't want to like you know I 153 00:05:19,740 --> 00:05:21,000 didn't want to I didn't want to scare 154 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:22,500 people into like finding help but at the 155 00:05:22,500 --> 00:05:24,479 same time I think also 156 00:05:24,479 --> 00:05:26,220 um you know my thoughts she was such a 157 00:05:26,220 --> 00:05:27,600 later in her life too it's like 158 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,340 wondering is like you know learning how 159 00:05:29,340 --> 00:05:30,780 to face her fears and learning how to 160 00:05:30,780 --> 00:05:33,240 overcome them in like the most even if 161 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:34,860 it takes such a crazy way it's learning 162 00:05:34,860 --> 00:05:36,300 how to kind of like face our own like 163 00:05:36,300 --> 00:05:38,400 nightmares whether it comes from inside 164 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,860 or getting help from somebody else but I 165 00:05:40,860 --> 00:05:42,660 guess it's funny like at the time too I 166 00:05:42,660 --> 00:05:43,800 was trying to scare people so it's so 167 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,259 it's so strange like like oh my god did 168 00:05:46,259 --> 00:05:47,880 I send a bad message or did I not you 169 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:48,660 know 170 00:05:48,660 --> 00:05:50,340 um so that's it just went looking years 171 00:05:50,340 --> 00:05:51,600 back I was like wow that probably wasn't 172 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,820 the the best message but I hope it 173 00:05:53,820 --> 00:05:56,699 scared a lot of people yeah yeah well I 174 00:05:56,699 --> 00:05:57,960 think that's cool that you know you're 175 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,280 looking at the message and what you're 176 00:05:59,280 --> 00:06:00,419 playing out I think that's really 177 00:06:00,419 --> 00:06:02,820 important you know for anybody 178 00:06:02,820 --> 00:06:05,460 um and what we're doing in life as you 179 00:06:05,460 --> 00:06:09,300 know filmmaking or not you know it's so 180 00:06:09,300 --> 00:06:11,940 watching a movie yeah 181 00:06:11,940 --> 00:06:14,400 and doing my homework on it and coming 182 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,460 up with my interpretation of it is 183 00:06:17,460 --> 00:06:18,960 you know 184 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,259 her attempt at facing her fear and 185 00:06:22,259 --> 00:06:23,580 overcoming the violence that was 186 00:06:23,580 --> 00:06:26,160 perpetuated or perpetrated on her failed 187 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,039 and the reason it it failed ultimately I 188 00:06:29,039 --> 00:06:31,860 mean failed and censored she became uh 189 00:06:31,860 --> 00:06:34,259 violent herself and an aggressor and it 190 00:06:34,259 --> 00:06:35,759 failed 191 00:06:35,759 --> 00:06:38,940 um because she identified and continued 192 00:06:38,940 --> 00:06:40,919 that level of violence 193 00:06:40,919 --> 00:06:43,880 now 194 00:06:43,919 --> 00:06:46,080 it's interesting because 195 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:50,400 if that is the storyline or the theme or 196 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,460 what have it it leaves this underlying 197 00:06:53,460 --> 00:06:55,259 question 198 00:06:55,259 --> 00:06:57,419 well how do you overcome trauma 199 00:06:57,419 --> 00:07:00,479 exactly and and I and then and then 200 00:07:00,479 --> 00:07:02,100 looking at it that way it's my it's it's 201 00:07:02,100 --> 00:07:04,919 not exactly uh hopeful but you know and 202 00:07:04,919 --> 00:07:06,300 then thinking about it now too I think 203 00:07:06,300 --> 00:07:08,520 at the time I had been I had gone 204 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,280 through something really tragic and I 205 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,380 think at the time I remember like I I 206 00:07:13,380 --> 00:07:14,940 was recommended like you know hey you 207 00:07:14,940 --> 00:07:16,740 probably talk to someone about this and 208 00:07:16,740 --> 00:07:18,240 I and I don't know what it was again 209 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,580 this is just my my brain the way it 210 00:07:20,580 --> 00:07:22,500 thinks I remember sitting there I'm in a 211 00:07:22,500 --> 00:07:23,759 session for something that I should be 212 00:07:23,759 --> 00:07:25,800 like trying to cure my own self of and 213 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:27,060 all I could think in my head was this 214 00:07:27,060 --> 00:07:28,800 person is really like tell me anything 215 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,539 that could twist my like view of you 216 00:07:30,539 --> 00:07:32,039 know and not not even a negative way 217 00:07:32,039 --> 00:07:33,360 this person was wonderful and they were 218 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,280 very helpful but again it was just a 219 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:36,539 scary story I'm always constantly 220 00:07:36,539 --> 00:07:38,099 thinking of ways to like 221 00:07:38,099 --> 00:07:39,900 twist things around if that makes any 222 00:07:39,900 --> 00:07:41,520 sense you know well I think what you're 223 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:42,840 saying is that you found yourself in a 224 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:44,160 really vulnerable position where this 225 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:45,900 person could influence the way you think 226 00:07:45,900 --> 00:07:48,360 about your own self I think what happens 227 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:49,979 you know in all this like okay so 228 00:07:49,979 --> 00:07:51,720 there's that genre of you know of 229 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:53,699 Thriller Horrors that like are exciting 230 00:07:53,699 --> 00:07:55,740 and fun but then there's the message and 231 00:07:55,740 --> 00:07:59,160 what what's going on and so what I kind 232 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:00,900 of you know to refine what I said is 233 00:08:00,900 --> 00:08:02,039 that 234 00:08:02,039 --> 00:08:04,380 I think in how how it relates to the 235 00:08:04,380 --> 00:08:06,960 World At Large in humanity is that hey a 236 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,180 lot of people make that wrong decision 237 00:08:09,180 --> 00:08:11,460 of you know trying to identify with 238 00:08:11,460 --> 00:08:12,900 their aggressor and they continue the 239 00:08:12,900 --> 00:08:15,720 violence on their own children are on 240 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,520 their own Partners as they grow up so 241 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,080 how do you stop that level of violence 242 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,419 because in real life that is you 243 00:08:21,419 --> 00:08:23,160 know there's nothing thrilling about it 244 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,979 you know if that indeed is that's there 245 00:08:25,979 --> 00:08:28,680 in the movie as a story then at least 246 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,979 it's a warning to say hey this isn't the 247 00:08:31,979 --> 00:08:33,000 way 248 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,880 and then maybe part two the you know the 249 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:37,260 feature that you're working on is like 250 00:08:37,260 --> 00:08:39,419 hey well what is the way you know what 251 00:08:39,419 --> 00:08:41,880 is the way people get out of that awful 252 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,039 awful trauma 253 00:08:44,039 --> 00:08:46,920 um so what do you think 254 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:48,480 well you know it's weird because uh you 255 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,339 know again like it was the first you 256 00:08:50,339 --> 00:08:51,120 know it was the first thing you ever 257 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,120 made and I I it's so funny like little 258 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:55,560 little life experiences even though they 259 00:08:55,560 --> 00:08:57,480 weren't completely connected like I just 260 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:58,800 realized more and more as I kind of look 261 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,120 back like wow all those things were in 262 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:01,500 there and I was a very different person 263 00:09:01,500 --> 00:09:03,779 at the time too right you know and since 264 00:09:03,779 --> 00:09:06,060 then I become I have I think I've become 265 00:09:06,060 --> 00:09:07,740 a lot better in handling a lot of my 266 00:09:07,740 --> 00:09:09,959 grief and drama and it's just it's just 267 00:09:09,959 --> 00:09:12,180 so scary because in a in a treatment we 268 00:09:12,180 --> 00:09:13,680 had written for a feature for at one 269 00:09:13,680 --> 00:09:16,740 point you know it's like it's Penny kind 270 00:09:16,740 --> 00:09:18,899 of running around dressed as the 271 00:09:18,899 --> 00:09:20,519 clowning she kind of essentially becomes 272 00:09:20,519 --> 00:09:22,980 Poppy the clown you know she becomes the 273 00:09:22,980 --> 00:09:24,720 thing that she's afraid of the most yeah 274 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:25,920 and it has to even kind of come down 275 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,320 from that you know and so you know I'm 276 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:29,700 just it's like looking at myself now I'm 277 00:09:29,700 --> 00:09:31,620 glad that I didn't become what she would 278 00:09:31,620 --> 00:09:32,940 become you know in the future if that 279 00:09:32,940 --> 00:09:34,560 makes any sense it does it makes 280 00:09:34,560 --> 00:09:36,660 complete sense and I think that's in an 281 00:09:36,660 --> 00:09:38,040 interesting way where I get really 282 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:39,839 excited about talking to filmmakers and 283 00:09:39,839 --> 00:09:41,700 their films is like where the life 284 00:09:41,700 --> 00:09:44,160 mirrors what their work is and it's like 285 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,940 hey man's done that movie was your in my 286 00:09:47,940 --> 00:09:51,240 view that was how you faced your fears 287 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,640 Barbara said you know how you worked to 288 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,459 overcome them so leading us to the 289 00:09:56,459 --> 00:09:58,680 question last question Play it Forward 290 00:09:58,680 --> 00:10:00,720 is you said it yourself you're a 291 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,399 different person then how have you been 292 00:10:02,399 --> 00:10:05,040 changed since making the movie 293 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,380 well you know as as a person like uh 294 00:10:07,380 --> 00:10:09,959 I've learned I found healthier ways to 295 00:10:09,959 --> 00:10:12,420 you know deal with things that were you 296 00:10:12,420 --> 00:10:13,680 know that are hurting us inside like 297 00:10:13,680 --> 00:10:15,720 whether it's being more open with your 298 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:17,880 friends and or your family and like not 299 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,040 being afraid to like when you're down to 300 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,620 like really talk to somebody 301 00:10:22,620 --> 00:10:24,959 um also other other people you know and 302 00:10:24,959 --> 00:10:26,880 not being afraid to kind of like tackle 303 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:28,260 those hurdles of whenever we're going 304 00:10:28,260 --> 00:10:30,300 through kind of deep changes in our life 305 00:10:30,300 --> 00:10:33,720 or you know dark moments and it's weird 306 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,160 because it's like 307 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:36,720 a lot of the things I've been writing 308 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:37,800 since then are a lot more hopeful 309 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,440 endings you know uh everything I've been 310 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:41,760 kind of even though it's always a 311 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,980 nightmare that our protagonist is going 312 00:10:43,980 --> 00:10:45,180 to go through I've always notice that 313 00:10:45,180 --> 00:10:46,860 there's always hope at the end and I 314 00:10:46,860 --> 00:10:48,000 think that's something that as an artist 315 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,380 that I've grown is that if I'm gonna 316 00:10:49,380 --> 00:10:51,180 make horror movies I don't want people 317 00:10:51,180 --> 00:10:53,160 to feel like that there's no Hope from 318 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:54,480 the nightmares that we're gonna face in 319 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,640 this world so that's that's something 320 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:58,040 that I noticed that's been changing 321 00:10:58,040 --> 00:10:59,940 consistently in the writing especially 322 00:10:59,940 --> 00:11:01,079 with this upcoming feature that we're 323 00:11:01,079 --> 00:11:02,880 working on is that 324 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,399 I was like wow like this needs to have a 325 00:11:05,399 --> 00:11:08,459 message of like you can you can get 326 00:11:08,459 --> 00:11:10,279 through the wars 327 00:11:10,279 --> 00:11:13,980 possible outcomes you know 328 00:11:13,980 --> 00:11:15,300 um and so I guess I think that's how 329 00:11:15,300 --> 00:11:17,220 I've grown as a person as a filmmaker as 330 00:11:17,220 --> 00:11:18,120 well 331 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,660 Mitchell slan writer director balloon uh 332 00:11:21,660 --> 00:11:23,519 it's a pleasure to have you 333 00:11:23,519 --> 00:11:26,519 um on the show and I loved speaking to 334 00:11:26,519 --> 00:11:29,339 you thank you so much for being here man 335 00:11:29,339 --> 00:11:30,480 dude thank you so much for having my 336 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:31,860 friend and again and a shout out to 337 00:11:31,860 --> 00:11:34,620 Regina for bringing me on Gina Ainsworth 338 00:11:34,620 --> 00:11:37,019 thank you yeah he's nominated you thank 339 00:11:37,019 --> 00:11:38,700 you so much all right until next time 340 00:11:38,700 --> 00:11:40,680 everybody play it forward 341 00:11:40,680 --> 00:11:43,519 bye 24072

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