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play forward Mitchell slan genre
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specific horror writer director watch
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balloon very creepy
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um Mitchell would you like to introduce
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anything about yourself for the movie
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before we begin
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sure my name is Mitchell sland I'm a
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writer director I've been I mean we've
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been making horror films since 2016 I
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believe uh here in Los Angeles and uh
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balloon was the first short that I ever
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really put a lot of my you know love and
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effort into and I was really wanted to
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be a be a banger or really pop if you
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want to call it that and so I just can't
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believe that uh years later it's still
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kind of making its rounds and we're
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still talking about it so I'm very very
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excited about that yeah you pulled it
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off really well the timing of a lot of
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the the stuff that the genre the uh I
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guess the theme on the topic
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um is is really relevant I think to a
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lot of people
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um
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and
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I guess what I mean by that is you know
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the trauma of childhood that's it
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there's there's some traumatic event in
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childhood and that's you know the coming
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of age kind of process for all of us
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um and there are multiple multiple
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traumas this trauma happens to be around
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a clown and balloons and the main
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character trying to get over her fear of
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balloons through a very
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um I guess uh avant-garde or risky
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non-typical therapy session and it ends
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up ends up backfiring on her and and you
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know with play it forward you know I
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really dig into the meat of the content
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of the story and that's um where I
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believe the heart of the Artistry of
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filmmaking and storytelling lies so this
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story
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um
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you know the thing
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the theme is I see it and then themes
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you see is where where I'd like to
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discuss but but before we talk about
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theme I almost skipped over the very
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first question and play it forward it's
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where did this story come from within
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your life experience sure well you know
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you know it's funny because like
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at a time we had been homeless in Los
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Angeles we had been like trying to just
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kind of you know all survive as artists
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we were just brand new and I just had
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this I was sitting there and I remember
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I was trying to do my laundry and this
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really like freaky like laundromat and I
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remember seeing their like some rerun of
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Oprah and she was talking about how she
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was diagnosed with globophobia which is
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like the fear of balloons and like at
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the time I was trying to like I said I
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need to make a short that could show I
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can make a scary movie I really seem to
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get myself out there and that something
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about that just triggered just triggered
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to me you know it just hit me hard and
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when I was a kid I used to like play in
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my backyard with my sister and there
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were times our parents would just like
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they would leave us or they had to go
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off and do something and I remember just
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being in the backyard and like our gate
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would like open and close by itself and
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I always just like would get really
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freaked out I'd freaked my own self out
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you know just wondering and maybe if I
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were to go past that gate without them
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knowing like what happened to me or you
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know would there be somebody waiting for
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me and I I and I don't know why that
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triggered my brain but those are so
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those things started coming to my head
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after I saw that Rerun and then at the
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time too and it was 2016. we had that
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kind of I don't know called the clown
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epidemic where people were dressing up
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as clowns that was all over the news and
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people were like scaring just innocent
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people in parks and neighborhoods and I
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just the ideas started coming to me from
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all those three things and that's kind
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of how like the script was banged out in
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even just a few days wow so I mean you
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kind of said a lot there to uh follow up
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on it um homelessness you said we
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yeah well so I mean there was a there
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was a band of artists that I had met
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after my buddy and I moved to Los
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Angeles and we just all got very close
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and you know we had to we sadly had to
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leave an apartment for like various
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reasons and the place that we got wasn't
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gonna be ready for another month so we
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just kind of like
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we just kind of lived around Los Angeles
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for a month until was ready and it was
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kind of some of the most fun parts of my
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life honestly like it was just kind of
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like we didn't know what was going to
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happen next we were writing the script
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and we're trying to like all kind of
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figure out how we're gonna do it and so
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even the way that it looks to me is
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still to this day like magical because
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you would not believe the nightmares we
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went through to get it made you know
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yeah I do believe it
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um really
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um it's it's tough you know making a
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short film that's you know visually you
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know on point and you know the story The
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Narrative the acting is on point as well
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um
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the other thing you know the follow-up
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there is like okay so you know you were
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left alone
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um as a child and you know there's I
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think that is you know you can see that
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with the main character in the movie The
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Early Childhood she's at the birthday
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party she's alone then exactly and you
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know so there's there's definitely that
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connection
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um interesting then moving on to themes
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you know how do you see what do you see
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as the message of the movie or the theme
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of the movie now from your perspective
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sorry I mean and yeah all these years
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later it's like I can tell myself that
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you know it's up to us to face our own
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fears and it's it's kind of it's kind of
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sad because I know I know she actually
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did the right Penny did the right thing
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by trying to find help for herself and
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sadly someone did take advantage of that
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and I didn't want to like you know I
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didn't want to I didn't want to scare
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people into like finding help but at the
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same time I think also
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um you know my thoughts she was such a
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later in her life too it's like
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wondering is like you know learning how
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to face her fears and learning how to
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overcome them in like the most even if
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it takes such a crazy way it's learning
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how to kind of like face our own like
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nightmares whether it comes from inside
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or getting help from somebody else but I
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guess it's funny like at the time too I
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was trying to scare people so it's so
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it's so strange like like oh my god did
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I send a bad message or did I not you
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know
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um so that's it just went looking years
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back I was like wow that probably wasn't
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the the best message but I hope it
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scared a lot of people yeah yeah well I
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think that's cool that you know you're
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looking at the message and what you're
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playing out I think that's really
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important you know for anybody
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um and what we're doing in life as you
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know filmmaking or not you know it's so
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watching a movie yeah
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and doing my homework on it and coming
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up with my interpretation of it is
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you know
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her attempt at facing her fear and
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overcoming the violence that was
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perpetuated or perpetrated on her failed
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and the reason it it failed ultimately I
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mean failed and censored she became uh
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violent herself and an aggressor and it
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failed
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um because she identified and continued
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that level of violence
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now
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it's interesting because
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if that is the storyline or the theme or
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what have it it leaves this underlying
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question
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well how do you overcome trauma
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exactly and and I and then and then
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looking at it that way it's my it's it's
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not exactly uh hopeful but you know and
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then thinking about it now too I think
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at the time I had been I had gone
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through something really tragic and I
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think at the time I remember like I I
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was recommended like you know hey you
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probably talk to someone about this and
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I and I don't know what it was again
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this is just my my brain the way it
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thinks I remember sitting there I'm in a
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session for something that I should be
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like trying to cure my own self of and
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all I could think in my head was this
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person is really like tell me anything
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that could twist my like view of you
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know and not not even a negative way
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this person was wonderful and they were
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very helpful but again it was just a
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scary story I'm always constantly
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thinking of ways to like
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twist things around if that makes any
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sense you know well I think what you're
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saying is that you found yourself in a
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really vulnerable position where this
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person could influence the way you think
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about your own self I think what happens
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you know in all this like okay so
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there's that genre of you know of
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Thriller Horrors that like are exciting
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and fun but then there's the message and
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what what's going on and so what I kind
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of you know to refine what I said is
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that
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I think in how how it relates to the
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World At Large in humanity is that hey a
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lot of people make that wrong decision
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of you know trying to identify with
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their aggressor and they continue the
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violence on their own children are on
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their own Partners as they grow up so
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how do you stop that level of violence
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because in real life that is you
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know there's nothing thrilling about it
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you know if that indeed is that's there
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in the movie as a story then at least
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it's a warning to say hey this isn't the
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way
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and then maybe part two the you know the
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feature that you're working on is like
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hey well what is the way you know what
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is the way people get out of that awful
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awful trauma
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um so what do you think
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well you know it's weird because uh you
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know again like it was the first you
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know it was the first thing you ever
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made and I I it's so funny like little
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little life experiences even though they
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weren't completely connected like I just
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realized more and more as I kind of look
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back like wow all those things were in
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there and I was a very different person
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at the time too right you know and since
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then I become I have I think I've become
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a lot better in handling a lot of my
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grief and drama and it's just it's just
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so scary because in a in a treatment we
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had written for a feature for at one
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point you know it's like it's Penny kind
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of running around dressed as the
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clowning she kind of essentially becomes
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Poppy the clown you know she becomes the
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thing that she's afraid of the most yeah
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and it has to even kind of come down
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from that you know and so you know I'm
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just it's like looking at myself now I'm
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glad that I didn't become what she would
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become you know in the future if that
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makes any sense it does it makes
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complete sense and I think that's in an
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interesting way where I get really
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excited about talking to filmmakers and
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their films is like where the life
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mirrors what their work is and it's like
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hey man's done that movie was your in my
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view that was how you faced your fears
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Barbara said you know how you worked to
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overcome them so leading us to the
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question last question Play it Forward
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is you said it yourself you're a
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different person then how have you been
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changed since making the movie
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well you know as as a person like uh
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I've learned I found healthier ways to
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you know deal with things that were you
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know that are hurting us inside like
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whether it's being more open with your
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friends and or your family and like not
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being afraid to like when you're down to
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like really talk to somebody
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um also other other people you know and
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not being afraid to kind of like tackle
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those hurdles of whenever we're going
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through kind of deep changes in our life
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or you know dark moments and it's weird
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because it's like
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a lot of the things I've been writing
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since then are a lot more hopeful
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endings you know uh everything I've been
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kind of even though it's always a
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nightmare that our protagonist is going
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to go through I've always notice that
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there's always hope at the end and I
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think that's something that as an artist
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that I've grown is that if I'm gonna
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make horror movies I don't want people
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to feel like that there's no Hope from
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the nightmares that we're gonna face in
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this world so that's that's something
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that I noticed that's been changing
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consistently in the writing especially
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with this upcoming feature that we're
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working on is that
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I was like wow like this needs to have a
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message of like you can you can get
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through the wars
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possible outcomes you know
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um and so I guess I think that's how
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I've grown as a person as a filmmaker as
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well
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Mitchell slan writer director balloon uh
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it's a pleasure to have you
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um on the show and I loved speaking to
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you thank you so much for being here man
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dude thank you so much for having my
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friend and again and a shout out to
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Regina for bringing me on Gina Ainsworth
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thank you yeah he's nominated you thank
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you so much all right until next time
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everybody play it forward
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bye
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