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Brian?
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Brian.
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David had a terrible night. He
was screaming and screaming.
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- You should have woken me.
- I couldn't sleep.
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I couldn't...
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Why don't you go
back to the doctor?
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They stole my life!
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- Our life.
- I know.
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Come on, love,
you need to sleep.
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No, that doesn't
stop the headaches.
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I'll get David breakfast and take
him to the park before school.
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- I've let you both down, Lizzy.
- Oh, no.
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- I have.
- No, come on.
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It's not your fault
what they gave you.
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We can still fight this, Brian.
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Maybe it's time to give up.
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Mum! Dad!
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- I'll go.
- No, it's okay.
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Mum!
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Dad!
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All right, come on.
Watch your steps.
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Right. That's it.
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One, two. Yep. Good boy.
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Watch the road now.
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Okay.
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We're going to go
somewhere nice, David.
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Somewhere very nice.
All right? Here you are.
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"For if the darkness
and corruption
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"leave a vestige of the
thoughts that once I had,
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"better by far you
should forget and smile
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"than that you should
remember and be sad."
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Thank you for coming, Stella.
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Well, you know where I am.
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I should have got up
with him that morning.
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Brian couldn't take it any more.
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Neither of us could.
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Not even David.
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Taking away our legal aid
like they did was the last straw.
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Well, we might still be able to
get the drugs company into court.
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Now, I don't want to give you
any false hopes, but I won't give up.
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I won't drop this. I can't.
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Mr Justice Niven has ruled that
the decision to withdraw funding
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was reasonable.
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He's like a mouthpiece
for the Government
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and the drug companies.
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This soldier, this
acutely depressed soldier
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killing himself and his
child must mean something.
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Legal aid had encouraged
them with funding
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and the other soldiers
damaged by the vaccinations.
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And then, just inches
away from the court door,
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it was withdrawn on
instructions from the Government.
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Evidence of that?
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They know that these drugs are
causing neurological problems.
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Well, there's a yawning gap between
what we know and what can be proven.
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John! How many more
people's lives must be ruined
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while these drug companies
make bigger and bigger profits?
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And the worst of it is... is that
the Army mocks and reviles
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Brian Meam and the others, telling
them they're mad and mistaken.
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Why didn't he go after the Army?
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Because the Army argued successfully
that the drugs weren't damaging,
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and if they were, they wouldn't
have had the means to tell, anyway.
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All Brian Meam wanted was
for someone to acknowledge
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that the cocktail of
vaccinations forced on him
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might just have
caused his problems.
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And if they didn't?
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He was formerly fit and healthy,
like the other soldiers were.
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His medical records
clearly state that.
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What do you want me to do, Jo?
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I'm hard against the wall.
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There must be some
way around this.
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The issue of legal aid being
withdrawn needs to be re-examined.
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Well, I don't see how. Mr
Justice Niven has ruled.
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John, can't you see the
injustice staring you in the face?
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Mr Justice Niven
is totally biased.
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His whole family
are research doctors.
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His son lives in
the same village
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as a lawyer from the
Funding Review Committee.
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They play tennis together!
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Mr Justice Niven is a High
Court Judge of long standing.
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Now, can you really
substantiate these allegations?
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Do you know, at one time, you
would have stormed the citadel.
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Oh, don't start.
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Broken down the barricades. All
you needed was a whiff of injustice.
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I am sorry to have bothered you.
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- Coop!
- Oh, I wasn't expecting you back.
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See if Mr Justice Niven is still in
the building, would you, please?
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I'd like a word.
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- Here, Judge, or in his room?
- Just find him.
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The decision of the
Funding Review Committee
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to withdraw the legal aid
certificate was perfectly fair, John.
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How could the Government or
anyone else have manipulated things?
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Weren't these soldiers perfectly
normal before the vaccinations?
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According to his medical record,
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there was nothing to connect
his condition causally to them.
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Counsel for the claimant suggested that
scientific evidence would soon be found,
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seems a bizarre basis
for continuing funding.
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These cases bumped along for
five years, Michael, fully funded.
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And then moments before the doors
of the High Court, funding is withdrawn.
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The tests for legal aid
are far more stringent now.
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Part 15.3 of the Funding Code says
that a certificate can be withdrawn
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when it is unreasonable
for funding to continue.
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Without causal connection, it was
unreasonable for them to continue.
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15.3 also deals with the wider public
interest. Surely there was one here.
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In my view, it was addressed.
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- How did this come your way?
- I have some medical knowledge.
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Oh.
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I read medicine at
Jesus before I did law.
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Someone had to
separate law from emotion.
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There was an awful lot of
emotion surrounding these cases.
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Well, how could there not be?
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This was just one of a number
of soldiers who committed suicide.
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It was the absence of evidence
that led me to my conclusion.
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We mustn't unreasonably
damage pharmaceutical companies
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on the basis of hysteria.
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They can't function with the
prospect of lawsuits hanging over them.
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Mistakes must sometimes be
viewed tolerantly by the courts.
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In a single case, perhaps,
but surely not on this scale?
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Nothing suggests a
widespread problem.
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Pharmaceutical companies
are in the frontline
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in the fight against
bio-terrorism.
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They are helping to protect
these soldiers and everyone else.
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We mustn't impede them
with unjustifiable actions.
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Is Mrs Mills still tied up
with that rag-bag of radicals?
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Yes.
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But that doesn't
preclude the possibility
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of her clients being
treated unfairly.
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By Michael Niven?
Oh, I doubt it.
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Well, there is a
serious risk of bias.
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His medical connections
are well known.
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Doesn't his son play tennis
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with one of the lawyers on the
Funding Review Committee?
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No, no, no. That doesn't follow.
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You must accept
what you are, John.
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A member of a
very exclusive club.
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It can't be that bad.
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Well, I'm not suicidal.
Not yet, anyway.
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Everything is improved
with another glass of wine.
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- Cheers.
- Thank you.
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We used to play this as kids.
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I know another game.
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I have a room here, Judge.
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How did you know I was a judge?
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You told me.
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Come on.
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- You're very naughty.
- I haven't done anything yet.
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Yet.
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Here I am.
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Am I very drunk, Judy?
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- You're not drunk at all.
- Why is everybody staring?
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No one is staring at you, Judge.
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Yes, I am. I am far too drunk
to be of any use to either of us.
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Thanks for the offer.
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John! Come back.
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- What happened?
- He said he was too drunk.
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Okay.
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We'll catch him another time.
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Who is it?
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- Jo, it's John.
- John who?
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How manyJohns do you know?
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What do you want, John?
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To talk...
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about Michael Niven's ruling.
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- Colby.
- Deed's shown up at Mrs Mills'.
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To talk about the case?
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It started that way.
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It's more about sex now. Listen.
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- John. We shouldn't...
- Shouldn't what?
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Okay. So what happened? Hmm?
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All right, Tom. Now, listen.
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I want a full transcript
of everything said. Yeah?
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All right. Speak
to you later. Bye.
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Deed is with the lawyer.
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It appears amorous but they
are talking about the case.
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- Well, that won't benefit us, will it?
- It might, sir.
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We should go full
surveillance on Deed.
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I'm not sure I can procure
a fully authorised tap
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on a High Court Judge, Major.
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That won't be necessary.
We can handle it ourselves.
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There is a lot at stake, Percy.
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Shall we?
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You gave me a turn, Judge.
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I thought perhaps someone was
here who shouldn't have been.
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- Like who?
- Oh, I don't know.
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There are weird people
creeping about from the DCA.
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There was one here this morning
who was doing an audit on equipment.
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Spying on us, more likely.
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I wondered why
the door was locked.
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Did you look at the
internet plagiarism papers?
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80,000 pages? No, I
told them I didn't want it.
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I haven't got two
years to spare.
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The court manager
hoped I'd persuade you,
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- they can't get anyone else to do it.
- No, I'm not surprised. Come on!
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You looking for something?
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Yeah. Information on that soldier
who killed himself and his child.
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The papers said
he was depressed.
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Yes.
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It looks like the family
went through hell.
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Judge?
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See if you can find out how
the legal aid funding review
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went to Mr Justice
Niven, will you, please?
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- Okay.
- And where Mrs Mills is this morning.
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Have you explored every
avenue on this denial of legal aid?
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John, I know you don't
like the company I keep,
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but they are competent and
concerned for justice for the soldiers.
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Have they found you a
way round Mr Justice Niven?
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Of course not. He
was far too clever.
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He's savaged the case and
threatened them with costs
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if they pressed for a full
hearing in the Divisional Court.
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Is there any new evidence?
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All routes to the full court go
through Mr Justice Niven, Sir John.
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We can't revisit the
decision to withdraw funding.
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Unless the conduct of
the litigation was invalid.
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Are you saying it was?
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You have considered possible bias
in view of his medical connections?
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You know we have.
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Yeah. We were told it helped
his understanding of the case.
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And what about
his son's relationship
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with one of the lawyers
on the funding committee?
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That just takes the
argument back to Niven.
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Try and establish possible bias
with the proceedings before him.
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Then make an application
before me in the Divisional Court,
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if you can find another judge.
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Well, where are we supposed
to find one, at Woolworths?
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No. We'll get
through this somehow.
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You're welcome.
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Jo.
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He's just made us the
sort of offer we can't refuse.
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There's too many complications,
Peter. Believe me, it's not worth it.
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I don't care. If it gets us another
day in court, who cares how we get it?
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If I told you we
had sex last night?
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Well, you're both consenting.
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Think about all those
damaged soldiers.
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What about Lizzy Meam?
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She's lost her husband and her
son as a result of those vaccinations.
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And if we won and anyone
found out about me and Deed?
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Not only would we be appealed,
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we would have hefty costs
against us and so would the soldiers.
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First, we'd have
to get to court.
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Then get our funding. Then
someone would have to find out.
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Just talk to Lizzy Meam.
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Can Deed review the previous
judge's decision in this case?
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I can't see how.
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The case has been decided.
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We spent a lot of money on
intelligence, Neil, as you know.
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Then you'll know the one thing
Deed always does in his meddling
246
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is operate within the rules.
247
00:18:50,199 --> 00:18:52,498
The head of the DCA
informs Percy Thrower
248
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that Deed cannot reopen
249
00:18:53,769 --> 00:18:57,864
that which another High Court
Judge has closed. It's unconstitutional.
250
00:18:57,939 --> 00:18:58,964
Were we to let it happen,
251
00:18:59,041 --> 00:19:00,941
we'd have judges reopening
anything they chose.
252
00:19:01,009 --> 00:19:04,912
And if he tries to look at the
procedure, not the merits?
253
00:19:04,979 --> 00:19:08,814
These vaccines are so very
important for our protection, Neil.
254
00:19:09,985 --> 00:19:13,080
The Government promised to
ring-fence the pharmaceutical industry
255
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and protect us against
compensation claims.
256
00:19:16,191 --> 00:19:19,389
We can't go on developing
drugs against bio-terrorism agents
257
00:19:19,461 --> 00:19:23,228
when our coffers are being
sucked dry by obsessive claimants.
258
00:19:24,166 --> 00:19:28,626
A development fund of £4 billion is
not likely to see the pot running dry.
259
00:19:28,836 --> 00:19:31,136
We'll deliver what we promised.
260
00:19:31,206 --> 00:19:33,971
Our Civil Contingencies
Amendment Bill will protect you
261
00:19:34,043 --> 00:19:36,603
and other major pharmaceuticals
from ever being sued.
262
00:19:37,046 --> 00:19:38,139
Good.
263
00:19:38,213 --> 00:19:40,944
It'll be law before Deed
gets off the starting block.
264
00:19:45,420 --> 00:19:47,720
I feel very bitter, Mrs Mills.
265
00:19:49,123 --> 00:19:51,650
That first lot of solicitors
we had were wicked.
266
00:19:51,727 --> 00:19:55,391
They went and got an expert witness
from the drug company's website!
267
00:19:55,630 --> 00:20:00,069
We didn't know any better, but they must
have known he'd help them more than us.
268
00:20:02,570 --> 00:20:06,735
If they'd have let us get to court,
Brian and David would still be alive.
269
00:20:06,809 --> 00:20:09,607
We'd have enough money
to get proper help for Brian.
270
00:20:11,146 --> 00:20:14,480
Why did the drugs company
threaten everyone with costs like that?
271
00:20:14,550 --> 00:20:16,347
Don't they have enough money?
272
00:20:16,417 --> 00:20:19,320
Survival, profits, that's
all that matters to them.
273
00:20:19,388 --> 00:20:22,586
You somehow wish it would
happen to some of them.
274
00:20:22,924 --> 00:20:26,123
They used Brian and all
the others as guinea pigs.
275
00:20:30,398 --> 00:20:34,393
There is a chance that they
could go after us again for costs,
276
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:36,462
if we got to court and lost.
277
00:20:36,537 --> 00:20:38,473
I don't see any point now.
278
00:20:41,577 --> 00:20:43,841
It won't bring Brian
and David back.
279
00:20:49,017 --> 00:20:51,748
Maybe they've found
some peace at last.
280
00:20:51,820 --> 00:20:53,584
I feel I've let you down, Lizzy.
281
00:20:58,527 --> 00:20:59,995
It's weird.
282
00:21:02,264 --> 00:21:04,061
I miss Brian's screaming.
283
00:21:07,069 --> 00:21:09,368
I'd put up with anything
to have him back.
284
00:21:12,741 --> 00:21:14,402
It would start without warning
285
00:21:14,475 --> 00:21:17,275
and end up with him banging
his head against the wall.
286
00:21:19,848 --> 00:21:22,647
What made it worse
was not being able to help.
287
00:21:26,622 --> 00:21:31,355
I lie in bed and listen for sounds
of him roaming around the house,
288
00:21:31,425 --> 00:21:33,156
unable to sleep,
289
00:21:34,429 --> 00:21:38,729
praying that he and
David aren't really...
290
00:21:47,943 --> 00:21:52,175
Would they get the house if we
lost, or what's not on the mortgage?
291
00:21:52,313 --> 00:21:53,805
They might try.
292
00:21:55,150 --> 00:21:56,812
Let them take it.
293
00:21:57,986 --> 00:22:00,512
I don't think I want
to be here any more.
294
00:22:00,823 --> 00:22:02,849
I wouldn't want it
costing you and Peter.
295
00:22:02,925 --> 00:22:05,360
I'm not sure I can pay you
now there's no legal aid.
296
00:22:05,427 --> 00:22:07,487
Peter's agreed
to do it pro bono.
297
00:22:07,563 --> 00:22:09,326
I can manage without a fee.
298
00:22:10,232 --> 00:22:14,294
Lizzy, we could shove it right back
at that pharmaceutical company,
299
00:22:14,369 --> 00:22:17,430
warn them how we might
come after them for big costs.
300
00:22:19,373 --> 00:22:21,309
If we do get this started,
301
00:22:21,376 --> 00:22:25,370
you know what'll happen if they
discover that we've recently had sex.
302
00:22:26,715 --> 00:22:28,206
Is that all it was?
303
00:22:31,186 --> 00:22:33,621
You could get one of the
other advocates to lead.
304
00:22:33,689 --> 00:22:37,091
- You know I can't.
- You risk being disbarred.
305
00:22:37,159 --> 00:22:40,459
In the face of such injustice,
I don't see why I'd care.
306
00:22:40,529 --> 00:22:42,841
As much as I know a lot of
people would like to get rid of me,
307
00:22:42,865 --> 00:22:44,424
I can't be disbarred.
308
00:22:46,501 --> 00:22:49,494
John, please try to get some
other judges to take the application.
309
00:22:49,571 --> 00:22:51,563
Who would you suggest?
310
00:22:51,707 --> 00:22:53,073
Mimi!
311
00:23:08,590 --> 00:23:11,321
The clerk in the list
office was very shirty
312
00:23:11,393 --> 00:23:14,022
about me getting the
funding review papers.
313
00:23:14,095 --> 00:23:15,564
- Did he give a reason?
- No.
314
00:23:15,631 --> 00:23:17,565
Just a load of old flannel.
315
00:23:17,933 --> 00:23:19,993
Did you find out how it
went to Michael Niven?
316
00:23:20,068 --> 00:23:21,866
Someone bypassed
the list office.
317
00:23:21,937 --> 00:23:24,168
I think that's what put
the clerk's nose out of joint.
318
00:23:24,239 --> 00:23:25,332
Did Sir Michael ask for it?
319
00:23:25,407 --> 00:23:28,571
He was chosen because
of his medical background.
320
00:23:29,244 --> 00:23:32,271
Both his sons and his
daughter are doctors.
321
00:23:32,347 --> 00:23:34,145
And he went to
college at the same time
322
00:23:34,216 --> 00:23:37,152
as Sir Ian Rochester
and Sir Percy Thrower.
323
00:23:37,286 --> 00:23:40,552
Interesting. But circumstantial.
324
00:23:40,822 --> 00:23:43,758
Well, he certainly gave the
Government the response they wanted.
325
00:23:43,825 --> 00:23:44,884
Did he?
326
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,055
Well, they're in partnership with
the drugs companies nowadays.
327
00:23:48,130 --> 00:23:51,931
Well, let's see, when I approach
Ian Rochester about the case.
328
00:23:52,301 --> 00:23:53,894
That'll be fun.
329
00:23:57,205 --> 00:24:00,471
Surely it's not acceptable to
examine a brother judge in this way
330
00:24:00,542 --> 00:24:02,272
now the Court of Appeal's ruled?
331
00:24:02,344 --> 00:24:03,676
Not on this, it hasn't.
332
00:24:03,745 --> 00:24:06,476
Presumably it thought the
original decision was correct.
333
00:24:06,548 --> 00:24:10,815
Bias on the part of Michael Niven, if
there was any, would invalidate that.
334
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:15,257
I don't control the list. I can't
jump a case listed for you
335
00:24:15,324 --> 00:24:16,901
in the Divisional Court
to the front of the queue.
336
00:24:16,925 --> 00:24:21,192
If a court is free, and if I can find
a judge, we can start right away.
337
00:24:24,333 --> 00:24:26,199
Aren't you supposed
to be at The Hague?
338
00:24:26,268 --> 00:24:30,228
There isn't any work for me in
the International Criminal Court.
339
00:24:30,572 --> 00:24:33,667
The world's awash with
international criminals.
340
00:24:37,012 --> 00:24:39,675
Why did the original
review go to Michael Niven?
341
00:24:39,748 --> 00:24:42,513
The next most suitable
judge, presumably.
342
00:24:42,885 --> 00:24:45,217
You were at Cambridge
together, weren't you?
343
00:24:45,287 --> 00:24:47,882
He was ahead of me. I'm
not sure we ever met there.
344
00:24:50,792 --> 00:24:52,761
I do need a court, Ian.
345
00:24:52,828 --> 00:24:56,026
If Mrs Cooper calls Court
Services, I'm sure they'll find you one,
346
00:24:56,098 --> 00:24:59,262
but you may be heading into
dangerous waters with this.
347
00:25:00,003 --> 00:25:01,095
Ah.
348
00:25:18,387 --> 00:25:20,357
Mr Justice Niven, Judge.
349
00:25:21,456 --> 00:25:22,947
Michael.
350
00:25:23,025 --> 00:25:26,757
My clerk informs me that
you've asked for all the papers
351
00:25:26,828 --> 00:25:29,593
in the drugs funding review.
352
00:25:29,664 --> 00:25:33,499
- I don't think we got them.
- Why do you want them?
353
00:25:34,337 --> 00:25:37,170
I've been asked to sit
in the Divisional Court.
354
00:25:37,239 --> 00:25:38,935
We're looking at your ruling
355
00:25:39,007 --> 00:25:42,774
upholding the decision to
withdraw funding from Brian Meam,
356
00:25:43,078 --> 00:25:44,479
the soldier.
357
00:25:45,113 --> 00:25:46,445
Who made this application?
358
00:25:46,515 --> 00:25:49,178
The representatives are
Radical Lawyers for Justice.
359
00:25:49,251 --> 00:25:50,310
Ah.
360
00:25:51,953 --> 00:25:54,651
The decision to
withdraw was appropriate.
361
00:25:54,724 --> 00:25:56,589
There is no causal link.
362
00:25:56,658 --> 00:26:00,823
A lot of state funding was
already spent looking for a link.
363
00:26:00,929 --> 00:26:05,697
A hitherto healthy soldier was given
a cocktail of drugs for his protection
364
00:26:06,268 --> 00:26:08,170
and suffered
neurological damage.
365
00:26:08,237 --> 00:26:11,263
There was a history
of ill health in his family.
366
00:26:11,340 --> 00:26:14,332
Nothing took me to
the drugs as cause.
367
00:26:14,409 --> 00:26:18,211
Radical Lawyers claim your
decision is unsustainable, Michael,
368
00:26:18,980 --> 00:26:21,815
on account of your background
association with medics.
369
00:26:21,884 --> 00:26:23,442
My background...
370
00:26:23,652 --> 00:26:26,019
I saw no reasonable cause.
371
00:26:26,088 --> 00:26:29,957
One of your sons plays tennis with
a lawyer who sat on the committee.
372
00:26:30,025 --> 00:26:33,223
- How could that affect my judgement?
- That's what we have to look at.
373
00:26:33,295 --> 00:26:36,629
This is not the sort of behaviour
one expects from a brother judge.
374
00:26:38,066 --> 00:26:40,058
We won't wear it, John.
375
00:26:44,106 --> 00:26:47,042
Why would Ian Rochester lie about
being at Jesus with Michael Niven?
376
00:26:47,109 --> 00:26:49,739
The information's
so easily checked.
377
00:26:50,112 --> 00:26:52,206
They were there in '74.
378
00:26:52,515 --> 00:26:54,949
They even rowed
together briefly.
379
00:26:55,685 --> 00:26:58,313
Could he be drawing you
into this for some purpose?
380
00:26:58,386 --> 00:27:00,719
- Are you getting paranoid?
- With just cause.
381
00:27:01,123 --> 00:27:04,093
Considering what's at stake for
Government and pharmaceutical companies.
382
00:27:04,159 --> 00:27:05,457
Evidence?
383
00:27:05,527 --> 00:27:07,519
Intuition. Not very reliable.
384
00:27:07,596 --> 00:27:09,896
Neither is evidence sometimes.
385
00:27:09,966 --> 00:27:14,335
I've got a feeling Sir Percy
Thrower might provide a key.
386
00:27:14,903 --> 00:27:17,896
Because they were
at Cambridge together?
387
00:27:19,107 --> 00:27:20,666
We keep coming
back to the Home Office
388
00:27:20,742 --> 00:27:23,713
and its concern with
bio-terrorism, right?
389
00:27:23,779 --> 00:27:26,613
The pharmaceuticals are making
vaccines against possible attacks.
390
00:27:26,682 --> 00:27:31,847
The Army is providing them with
guinea pigs. John, it's so unjust!
391
00:27:32,420 --> 00:27:34,061
They did it with the
soldiers in the '50s,
392
00:27:34,123 --> 00:27:36,216
testing the effects
of nuclear weapons.
393
00:27:36,291 --> 00:27:37,782
One fight at a time.
394
00:27:40,663 --> 00:27:43,861
I'd concentrate on Michael
Niven's possible bias.
395
00:27:45,967 --> 00:27:47,459
Do you want to eat?
396
00:27:47,537 --> 00:27:48,970
Not in the circumstances.
397
00:27:49,037 --> 00:27:52,371
Circumstantially, eating's no
different from having a drink.
398
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,808
- It's what happens afterwards.
- Excuse me.
399
00:27:58,247 --> 00:28:00,306
- How are you?
- Have we met?
400
00:28:00,716 --> 00:28:02,377
Ian Rochester's party.
401
00:28:02,450 --> 00:28:03,942
Wrong party. Sorry.
402
00:28:12,427 --> 00:28:15,591
You really don't let the grass
grow under your feet, do you?
403
00:28:15,730 --> 00:28:16,754
No.
404
00:28:21,404 --> 00:28:22,632
What's all this?
405
00:28:22,704 --> 00:28:26,607
Papers from the Judicial Review
Mr Justice Niven conducted.
406
00:28:27,309 --> 00:28:29,642
I'm looking at why the
soldier's funding was withdrawn,
407
00:28:29,711 --> 00:28:31,510
I'm not writing a
history of legal aid.
408
00:28:31,581 --> 00:28:33,776
This is just a quarter of it!
409
00:28:33,848 --> 00:28:36,317
That's one way of slowing
us up. Where's my policeman?
410
00:28:36,384 --> 00:28:39,877
- You banished him to the library.
- I've got something for him to do.
411
00:28:41,624 --> 00:28:43,114
Have you taken up smoking?
412
00:28:43,191 --> 00:28:44,832
I want him to check
that for fingerprints.
413
00:28:44,894 --> 00:28:46,704
I think the owner might
have been following me.
414
00:28:46,728 --> 00:28:48,527
- Why?
- Don't tell Stephen.
415
00:28:48,598 --> 00:28:51,898
- He'll smother me with protection.
- Yes, but if they're following you?
416
00:28:51,968 --> 00:28:54,995
Well, if we find out who,
we might find out why.
417
00:28:55,071 --> 00:28:57,767
Tell him it's urgent. Oh, Coop.
418
00:28:58,708 --> 00:29:01,074
No more papers. I'll
ask questions instead.
419
00:29:01,142 --> 00:29:02,236
Yes.
420
00:29:04,012 --> 00:29:06,244
Is Deed getting this case on?
421
00:29:06,515 --> 00:29:09,075
I wish I could say
he wasn't, Percy.
422
00:29:10,152 --> 00:29:12,883
Caversham are feeling
persecuted by him.
423
00:29:13,289 --> 00:29:14,756
He's looking into
the possibility of
424
00:29:14,823 --> 00:29:17,588
apparent bias on Mr
Justice Niven's part.
425
00:29:17,659 --> 00:29:18,889
A clever move.
426
00:29:18,961 --> 00:29:20,861
It means he isn't
seen to be trespassing
427
00:29:20,929 --> 00:29:23,764
on the substance
of the litigation itself.
428
00:29:28,036 --> 00:29:31,200
If the soldier's widow
gets funding reinstated,
429
00:29:33,876 --> 00:29:37,573
she'd pursue the pharmaceutical
companies through the courts.
430
00:29:37,646 --> 00:29:39,513
Some of our best
lawyers are looking into
431
00:29:39,582 --> 00:29:42,551
why Deed shouldn't
re-examine the Niven ruling.
432
00:29:42,618 --> 00:29:44,382
And if he does, Ian?
433
00:29:45,253 --> 00:29:47,723
Does it matter if this
soldier's widow gets to court?
434
00:29:47,790 --> 00:29:49,314
Perhaps we owe her the truth.
435
00:29:49,392 --> 00:29:50,724
The fallout could be huge.
436
00:29:50,793 --> 00:29:52,556
Caversham might up
stakes and quit Britain.
437
00:29:52,627 --> 00:29:54,392
Actually, it's more
than lost jobs.
438
00:29:54,463 --> 00:29:56,903
They are the vanguard in the
PM's fight against bio-terrorism.
439
00:29:56,966 --> 00:29:58,025
We could speed up
440
00:29:58,099 --> 00:30:00,501
the Civil Contingencies
Amendment Bill, Home Secretary.
441
00:30:00,569 --> 00:30:02,127
Give them the
protection they need.
442
00:30:02,203 --> 00:30:04,901
Too much haste and
we might be spotted, Lex.
443
00:30:08,777 --> 00:30:12,305
Efforts are being made to
hinder Deed, Home Secretary.
444
00:30:12,380 --> 00:30:15,407
For once, Percy, I'd
like to stop him legally.
445
00:30:15,917 --> 00:30:18,910
That would really take
him down a peg or two.
446
00:30:21,824 --> 00:30:23,086
Judge.
447
00:30:25,027 --> 00:30:28,555
The court manager says
there's no court available.
448
00:30:29,364 --> 00:30:32,562
I do know that 5
and 27 are free.
449
00:30:32,634 --> 00:30:35,264
- Okay, grab one of those.
- When are you sitting?
450
00:30:35,338 --> 00:30:37,170
As soon as I can
find another judge.
451
00:30:37,239 --> 00:30:38,798
I'll warn the other parties.
452
00:30:42,478 --> 00:30:44,106
Is the judge in, Mrs Cooper?
453
00:30:44,447 --> 00:30:47,576
Ah, come in, Stephen. Did you
get a result on those fingerprints?
454
00:30:47,650 --> 00:30:50,551
Well, I did get a response.
I can't have the information.
455
00:30:50,618 --> 00:30:53,281
- What's that mean?
- I don't have enough authority.
456
00:30:53,355 --> 00:30:54,881
Are there
fingerprints on record?
457
00:30:54,957 --> 00:30:57,050
There are, but I
can't find out whose.
458
00:30:57,125 --> 00:31:00,289
They could belong to a
special informant, Judge,
459
00:31:00,362 --> 00:31:02,229
or a member of the
security services.
460
00:31:02,298 --> 00:31:03,356
Ah.
461
00:31:03,898 --> 00:31:05,834
Who would have the
authority to tell me?
462
00:31:05,901 --> 00:31:07,664
I don't know, Judge.
463
00:31:07,903 --> 00:31:10,371
Perhaps my boss,
Superintendent Gaghan.
464
00:31:10,438 --> 00:31:11,839
Okay. Bring him here.
465
00:31:12,108 --> 00:31:14,167
Her. She's a her.
466
00:31:20,949 --> 00:31:22,418
The court, Coop.
467
00:31:29,225 --> 00:31:31,854
We wouldn't presume to withhold
information from you, Sir John.
468
00:31:31,927 --> 00:31:33,767
Then whose prints were
on the cigarette packet?
469
00:31:33,796 --> 00:31:35,788
The unidentified prints
we assumed were yours.
470
00:31:35,865 --> 00:31:37,209
The smudged prints
we couldn't identify.
471
00:31:37,233 --> 00:31:39,566
Then whose record was
denied to PC Ashurst?
472
00:31:39,635 --> 00:31:41,712
They didn't relate to those
on the cigarette packet, sir.
473
00:31:41,736 --> 00:31:43,865
How do you know if
you didn't identify them?
474
00:31:43,939 --> 00:31:45,874
It was a mistake, Sir John.
475
00:31:47,042 --> 00:31:50,979
Do you know what the penalties
are for lying to a High Court Judge?
476
00:31:51,346 --> 00:31:53,145
No one's lying to you, sir.
477
00:31:53,215 --> 00:31:55,080
I asked if you knew
what the penalties were.
478
00:31:55,150 --> 00:31:56,244
Yes, sir.
479
00:31:57,486 --> 00:32:00,365
If I find out that I'm being deceived,
then that person will go to prison.
480
00:32:00,389 --> 00:32:02,915
And I don't care if it's the
Commissioner of Police himself.
481
00:32:02,992 --> 00:32:05,426
- Do I make myself clear?
- Yes, Sir John.
482
00:32:05,493 --> 00:32:09,693
Yes. Good. Well, I want that
cigarette packet returned to my office.
483
00:32:20,109 --> 00:32:22,077
He wants the
cigarette packet back.
484
00:32:56,478 --> 00:32:58,675
You didn't go up in the world.
485
00:32:58,948 --> 00:33:01,508
The quality of my
client has gone up.
486
00:33:03,284 --> 00:33:04,514
How so?
487
00:33:04,587 --> 00:33:07,785
They're all a lot more deserving
than rapists and embezzlers.
488
00:33:09,792 --> 00:33:12,819
You gave up the chance
of being a judge for this?
489
00:33:12,895 --> 00:33:15,387
- Yeah, I've no regrets.
- Good.
490
00:33:16,731 --> 00:33:18,758
We're planning on
moving out of here.
491
00:33:18,834 --> 00:33:20,769
Where to? A sub-basement?
492
00:33:21,604 --> 00:33:23,204
We're going to make
our chambers virtual.
493
00:33:23,239 --> 00:33:25,016
That way we can spend
more money on the client.
494
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,600
Where are you going to meet
them, in the public library?
495
00:33:27,676 --> 00:33:30,236
Most of my clients
tend to be in custody.
496
00:33:30,312 --> 00:33:31,746
Lizzy Meam isn't.
497
00:33:31,814 --> 00:33:34,909
If you win that one, you'll have
legions beating a path to your door.
498
00:33:34,984 --> 00:33:36,418
No point being virtual then.
499
00:33:36,485 --> 00:33:38,454
Yeah. Let's get
to the court first.
500
00:33:39,889 --> 00:33:43,951
Have you got a very good expert
witness? Because you're going to need one.
501
00:33:44,026 --> 00:33:45,324
Dr Peter Hiaasen.
502
00:33:45,394 --> 00:33:47,658
He's a leading
gastroenterologist in Miami.
503
00:33:47,729 --> 00:33:50,859
I thought these soldiers'
problems were mostly neurological?
504
00:33:50,933 --> 00:33:52,834
His thesis is they
begin in the stomach.
505
00:33:52,902 --> 00:33:57,135
- Can you afford to bring him over?
- He's here already doing research.
506
00:33:58,908 --> 00:34:02,208
Is there a possibility that
you might be followed?
507
00:34:02,278 --> 00:34:04,440
- What, stalked?
- I'm serious.
508
00:34:05,714 --> 00:34:07,182
Why, what's happened?
509
00:34:09,552 --> 00:34:12,351
I want to move quickly. Can
you put your people on notice?
510
00:34:12,421 --> 00:34:13,889
Coop's already notified us.
511
00:34:16,358 --> 00:34:18,793
John, we really do have
to keep our distance.
512
00:34:19,595 --> 00:34:20,824
It's a bit late for that!
513
00:34:20,896 --> 00:34:23,092
Yeah. I'm on my
way to meet Charlie.
514
00:34:26,769 --> 00:34:28,169
I miss Jo.
515
00:34:28,938 --> 00:34:31,373
Everything in chambers
seems somehow different now.
516
00:34:31,807 --> 00:34:32,900
How?
517
00:34:32,975 --> 00:34:35,809
I don't know. Everything's
about the bottom line.
518
00:34:35,878 --> 00:34:38,938
- You're not going to join her?
- I don't have any work.
519
00:34:39,014 --> 00:34:41,210
Why? You're a good advocate.
520
00:34:41,283 --> 00:34:43,479
There are a lot of
good advocates, Dad.
521
00:34:43,552 --> 00:34:44,629
In case you hadn't noticed,
522
00:34:44,653 --> 00:34:47,953
the Legal Services Commission
are cutting back on criminal defence.
523
00:34:48,023 --> 00:34:50,993
The Government doesn't
value an independent bar.
524
00:34:51,260 --> 00:34:55,322
They want a public defender
system run along the lines of the CPS.
525
00:34:55,898 --> 00:34:57,628
I might have to sign up.
526
00:34:58,968 --> 00:35:01,164
Are you going to
do this work for me?
527
00:35:01,403 --> 00:35:04,771
A medical researcher would
do the job faster and better.
528
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,901
Your legal mind will
appreciate what's admissible.
529
00:35:07,977 --> 00:35:10,776
- How urgent is it?
- All I need is a court.
530
00:35:11,180 --> 00:35:12,739
Well, you'd better
feed me first.
531
00:35:12,815 --> 00:35:15,046
Why else would I
come all this way?
532
00:35:15,784 --> 00:35:17,275
I'm hungry.
533
00:35:26,028 --> 00:35:29,157
Yep, yep.
534
00:35:29,231 --> 00:35:32,963
Yes, you can leave that with
me. Okay. Right, thank you. Bye.
535
00:35:34,203 --> 00:35:37,105
You were a lot more polite
in Sussex, Mr Harrison.
536
00:35:37,172 --> 00:35:38,800
I do apologise, Sir John.
537
00:35:38,874 --> 00:35:40,468
This court can't be used, sir.
538
00:35:40,542 --> 00:35:43,535
- Where was the asbestos found?
- In the roof, Sir John.
539
00:35:43,612 --> 00:35:44,612
When was it found?
540
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,691
Quite recently, sir, when
a leak was being repaired.
541
00:35:46,715 --> 00:35:48,460
Well, it's been there
for God knows how long.
542
00:35:48,484 --> 00:35:50,419
Another day won't
make any difference.
543
00:35:50,486 --> 00:35:53,581
I'm afraid Health & Safety
won't permit that, Sir John.
544
00:35:54,024 --> 00:35:55,355
We'll use Court Number 5, Coop.
545
00:35:55,424 --> 00:35:57,417
- Yes, Judge.
- Not free, Sir John.
546
00:35:57,494 --> 00:36:00,395
Mr Justice Niven is
hearing an appeal there.
547
00:36:00,562 --> 00:36:02,963
- Since when?
- It started this morning.
548
00:36:04,733 --> 00:36:06,668
Find me another court.
549
00:36:10,639 --> 00:36:14,441
Is this what you did for
promotion, Brian? What's going on?
550
00:36:14,511 --> 00:36:16,069
Nothing, Rita.
551
00:36:16,612 --> 00:36:21,415
Rita, could you get him to
hear the internet copyright case?
552
00:36:24,854 --> 00:36:29,291
Judge, there is a court free
for the internet copyright case.
553
00:36:29,358 --> 00:36:30,502
Now, you could take that case...
554
00:36:30,526 --> 00:36:32,757
Two or more years
of hell? No, thank you.
555
00:36:32,828 --> 00:36:37,289
Yes, but you could open, order an
adjournment for a technical reason,
556
00:36:37,366 --> 00:36:38,910
and have the funding
review on standby.
557
00:36:38,934 --> 00:36:41,700
And afterwards, I'd still have
the mind-numbing internet case.
558
00:36:41,771 --> 00:36:44,069
I'm sure you could
get out of it, Judge.
559
00:36:44,139 --> 00:36:46,540
- Thanks, Coop.
- Thank Mr Harrison.
560
00:37:28,250 --> 00:37:30,151
Yes, Dr Mary Moon, please.
561
00:37:30,786 --> 00:37:32,755
Do you have an address?
562
00:37:33,356 --> 00:37:37,053
Try Chiddingley, East Sussex.
Sorry, I don't have a street.
563
00:37:38,127 --> 00:37:40,961
Sorry, the only one
listed is ex-directory.
564
00:37:41,497 --> 00:37:42,989
Okay. Thanks.
565
00:37:49,404 --> 00:37:53,171
Charlie.
566
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:55,138
Oh, Dad.
567
00:37:55,744 --> 00:37:59,272
Well, you could at least try and
sound a little less disappointed.
568
00:37:59,348 --> 00:38:01,647
I thought it was Tom
Cruise returning my call.
569
00:38:01,717 --> 00:38:02,844
Tom who?
570
00:38:02,918 --> 00:38:05,820
- Dad, he's a Hollywood movie star.
- Charlie!
571
00:38:06,822 --> 00:38:10,316
Look, I'm on all these support sites
for soldiers damaged by vaccinations.
572
00:38:10,393 --> 00:38:11,917
It's really interesting stuff.
573
00:38:11,994 --> 00:38:14,896
Yeah. I read some
of them. A bit loony.
574
00:38:14,963 --> 00:38:17,934
- Do you know who Dr Mary Moon is?
- Should I?
575
00:38:18,767 --> 00:38:21,896
She and Dr Rupert Dayvis
caused a big scandal last year
576
00:38:21,970 --> 00:38:25,168
when they went on record saying
the cocktail of drugs soldiers are given
577
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:28,211
is causing all their mental
and emotional problems.
578
00:38:28,278 --> 00:38:32,271
Dr Dayvis killed himself by tying a
rope around a tree and then his neck
579
00:38:32,347 --> 00:38:34,009
and then driving
away in his car.
580
00:38:34,082 --> 00:38:38,248
Oh, yes. Didn't she accuse the
pharmaceutical companies of killing him?
581
00:38:39,421 --> 00:38:41,662
Along with all the others
with vested interests.
582
00:38:41,891 --> 00:38:45,520
The internet sites insist that he was
killed because of what they discovered.
583
00:38:45,594 --> 00:38:48,588
- So why wasn't Dr Moon killed as well?
- Don't know.
584
00:38:48,665 --> 00:38:50,074
I'll ask her if I
can locate her.
585
00:38:50,098 --> 00:38:52,499
Could Iget her details
through the court people?
586
00:38:52,568 --> 00:38:55,403
Well, you could ask Coop to
try, but don't tell me about it.
587
00:38:55,904 --> 00:38:59,500
Charlie, be careful
around this, won't you?
588
00:38:59,741 --> 00:39:00,765
Dad!
589
00:39:00,843 --> 00:39:04,804
Well, there's a lot at stake for these
companies. The Government as well.
590
00:39:04,881 --> 00:39:06,473
Isn't that being a bit paranoid?
591
00:39:06,548 --> 00:39:08,882
Is that why I can't find
another judge to sit with me?
592
00:39:08,952 --> 00:39:10,783
Have you asked Granddad?
593
00:39:10,853 --> 00:39:12,913
I don't think
that's very likely.
594
00:39:13,622 --> 00:39:17,218
Hey. In the words of the song, "The
man in the gabardine mac is a spy."
595
00:39:17,292 --> 00:39:19,592
I don't get paid to
listen to that. That is off!
596
00:39:19,662 --> 00:39:22,689
It's the man in the
gabardine suit that's the spy.
597
00:39:30,772 --> 00:39:35,905
Here we are. The summons
office got her details from the police.
598
00:39:37,346 --> 00:39:39,692
I'll remember that when
I'm trying to locate a witness.
599
00:39:39,716 --> 00:39:43,743
Charlie, if your dad ever gets
another judge to hear this with him,
600
00:39:43,819 --> 00:39:45,652
you didn'tget that
from me, okay?
601
00:39:47,956 --> 00:39:51,188
With a bit more notice, my darling,
I would have offered you coffee.
602
00:39:51,260 --> 00:39:52,319
Hello, Philip.
603
00:39:52,394 --> 00:39:54,124
But you see, I'm sitting.
604
00:39:54,196 --> 00:39:56,894
Why can't you help
Dad with this case?
605
00:39:56,966 --> 00:39:58,763
Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
606
00:39:58,834 --> 00:40:04,535
I've known Michael Niven for...
No, no, no. For a very long time.
607
00:40:05,207 --> 00:40:07,177
He's a decent fellow.
608
00:40:08,076 --> 00:40:12,104
But what if he's an unsuitable
judge for reasons of apparent bias?
609
00:40:12,180 --> 00:40:15,514
Like in Taylor and
Laurence, 2003?
610
00:40:18,353 --> 00:40:20,914
That's rather good, clever girl.
611
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:22,189
Yes.
612
00:40:57,961 --> 00:40:59,485
Lizzy, is this a good idea?
613
00:41:15,511 --> 00:41:16,978
All rise.
614
00:41:28,891 --> 00:41:31,986
This threatens to be a
very long-running case.
615
00:41:32,061 --> 00:41:36,691
Mr McCartney is a litigant in person
and may not be familiar with procedure.
616
00:41:36,765 --> 00:41:39,326
I have done a lot of research
on the internet, my lord.
617
00:41:39,402 --> 00:41:41,803
Yes. I'm sure you
have, Mr McCartney.
618
00:41:42,171 --> 00:41:47,507
There are 87,000 pages on
the internet relating to this case.
619
00:41:48,478 --> 00:41:50,537
Now, I've calculated
620
00:41:50,612 --> 00:41:53,742
that if I read a page a minute
for eight hours a day, every day,
621
00:41:53,815 --> 00:41:56,445
I'd still need over half a year.
622
00:41:56,519 --> 00:41:57,577
That isn't to say
623
00:41:57,652 --> 00:42:02,057
that we won't deal diligently
with the realities of this case.
624
00:42:03,326 --> 00:42:07,922
Ideas that Mr McCartney posted
on the internet were purportedly
625
00:42:07,996 --> 00:42:12,594
exploited for commercial gain
by Internet Raiders Incorporated.
626
00:42:13,302 --> 00:42:15,270
So, two questions arise.
627
00:42:15,337 --> 00:42:21,107
Did Mr McCartney's ideas constitute
something that could be legally owned
628
00:42:21,443 --> 00:42:23,606
and with copyright
vested in him?
629
00:42:23,679 --> 00:42:27,514
And if so, did Internet
Raiders Incorporated
630
00:42:27,583 --> 00:42:31,315
wrongly appropriate those
ideas for commercial gain?
631
00:42:31,387 --> 00:42:35,289
- McCARTNEY: They did, sir.
- That's what we're here to discover.
632
00:42:37,026 --> 00:42:38,119
Mr Norwalk?
633
00:42:38,194 --> 00:42:43,030
Might I enquire about the
application we made under rule 34.13
634
00:42:43,099 --> 00:42:45,363
for the court to issue
a letter of request
635
00:42:45,434 --> 00:42:47,768
for an absent
witness deposition?
636
00:42:47,837 --> 00:42:51,535
The request was made to the
Supreme Court in Buenos Aires.
637
00:42:52,107 --> 00:42:55,805
Our witness, Mr Kray, is critical
to the structure of our case.
638
00:42:55,877 --> 00:42:57,847
The court in Argentina
has not managed to
639
00:42:57,914 --> 00:43:00,884
track your intended
deponent, Mr Norwalk.
640
00:43:01,084 --> 00:43:02,143
Ah.
641
00:43:03,453 --> 00:43:07,015
Mr McCartney, do you intend to
make an opening address to the court?
642
00:43:07,090 --> 00:43:09,251
I believe that's allowed, sir.
643
00:43:09,324 --> 00:43:12,658
Yes, it is. I would just
ask you to keep it short.
644
00:43:52,301 --> 00:43:53,564
Dr Moon?
645
00:43:54,737 --> 00:43:58,105
- Do I know you?
- No. Well, I'm doing some research.
646
00:43:58,174 --> 00:44:01,303
- Mr Justice Deed is hearing a case...
- I can't help you. I'm sorry.
647
00:44:01,377 --> 00:44:03,312
Well, you and Dr Dayvis
discovered a connection
648
00:44:03,379 --> 00:44:06,213
between the drugs and neurological
damage to the soldiers, right?
649
00:44:06,282 --> 00:44:08,751
There is no proof the
drugs damaged them.
650
00:44:08,818 --> 00:44:10,129
You shouldn't be
looking at this again.
651
00:44:10,153 --> 00:44:12,247
That wasn't Dr Dayvis's view.
652
00:44:12,455 --> 00:44:15,357
- What is it you want?
- Access to his papers.
653
00:44:16,526 --> 00:44:18,427
I can't talk. Go away.
654
00:44:19,295 --> 00:44:22,094
Well, if you change your
mind, here's my number.
655
00:44:22,732 --> 00:44:25,463
The judge's number is on the
back. He will take this to court.
656
00:44:25,535 --> 00:44:27,436
He is wasting his time.
657
00:44:27,869 --> 00:44:29,862
Are you saying
someone's threatened her?
658
00:44:29,939 --> 00:44:32,636
Well, their discoveries did cause
a lot of fuss in medical circles.
659
00:44:32,708 --> 00:44:35,803
If they're right, the soldiers'
cases would be watertight.
660
00:44:36,812 --> 00:44:39,782
The internet sites claim
Dr Dayvis held the key.
661
00:44:39,849 --> 00:44:44,310
He and Dr Moon identified the
specific damage as neural deficit.
662
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:50,191
Some sites scrupulously
tracked the rise in neural deficit
663
00:44:50,259 --> 00:44:53,957
and bowel disorders in soldiers
following their revelations.
664
00:44:54,030 --> 00:44:55,862
What is neural deficit?
665
00:44:56,098 --> 00:45:00,832
Well, it's the... It's the permanent
breaks in neural pathways.
666
00:45:00,903 --> 00:45:03,566
They carry information
to all parts of the body.
667
00:45:03,639 --> 00:45:07,440
Any interruption stops proper
functioning of all organisms.
668
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:11,413
What's not known is why some
parts are affected and others not.
669
00:45:12,414 --> 00:45:16,682
Inflammation of spinal nerve
cells causes terrible pain.
670
00:45:16,752 --> 00:45:18,880
Sufferers scream,
bang their heads.
671
00:45:18,955 --> 00:45:21,789
On their best days,
they're just depressed.
672
00:45:22,325 --> 00:45:25,818
Other vaccinated soldiers
have killed themselves too, Dad.
673
00:45:25,895 --> 00:45:28,763
And is there a background
prevalence to these health problems?
674
00:45:28,831 --> 00:45:29,831
There's bound to be,
675
00:45:29,899 --> 00:45:32,892
but nothing's shown up prior to
the soldiers getting the vaccinations,
676
00:45:32,968 --> 00:45:36,167
which were arguably
experimental. Why is that?
677
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,334
You're thinking like counsel
for the claimant, Charlie.
678
00:45:40,776 --> 00:45:42,210
Look, Dad, you
don't need to show
679
00:45:42,278 --> 00:45:43,722
that these drugs are
causing the problem,
680
00:45:43,746 --> 00:45:46,341
just that there is a
significant possibility.
681
00:45:46,681 --> 00:45:50,983
Well, I'm supposed to be concerned
with the procedure in the Niven hearing.
682
00:45:51,053 --> 00:45:54,148
The merits and whether Dr
Moon is too scared to help
683
00:45:54,223 --> 00:45:56,192
should be for another day.
684
00:45:56,459 --> 00:46:00,829
Dad, the merits were strong until
Caversham got at all the experts.
685
00:46:00,896 --> 00:46:03,593
If you're looking for
bias, how bent is all this?
686
00:46:03,666 --> 00:46:06,898
And they would say
"irrational conspiracy theory".
687
00:46:08,170 --> 00:46:10,196
No, you keep looking, Charlie.
688
00:46:10,406 --> 00:46:13,808
McCARTNEY: The idea
behind the World Wide Web,
689
00:46:13,876 --> 00:46:17,779
perhaps the most
consequential known to mankind,
690
00:46:17,847 --> 00:46:21,011
was the instant
dissemination of information
691
00:46:21,083 --> 00:46:25,680
in order to help free people
of all colours and creeds,
692
00:46:25,755 --> 00:46:28,657
not the theft of ideas.
693
00:46:28,724 --> 00:46:30,955
Quite the opposite, in fact.
694
00:46:31,327 --> 00:46:35,025
Ideas are currency
in this technology,
695
00:46:35,164 --> 00:46:39,431
and the fact that they can go
around the world and back in an instant
696
00:46:39,502 --> 00:46:42,165
makes them more liable to theft.
697
00:46:45,474 --> 00:46:46,669
Excuse me.
698
00:46:47,076 --> 00:46:53,710
Did Dr Alexander Graham Bell have
the idea for the phone first, or Marconi?
699
00:46:54,483 --> 00:46:59,717
It's unlikely that they both had the
same idea at exactly the same time.
700
00:46:59,789 --> 00:47:03,123
Things simply moved
more slowly in those days
701
00:47:03,192 --> 00:47:08,392
and it only looked like they had
the idea at the exact same time.
702
00:47:09,732 --> 00:47:14,136
Now, the expressed intention of
the inventor of the World Wide Web,
703
00:47:14,203 --> 00:47:19,040
Sir Tim Berners-Lee, was
to free up ideas and people.
704
00:47:19,442 --> 00:47:22,571
He applied for no
royalties or patents.
705
00:47:23,379 --> 00:47:26,907
Let me take you back
to 1969 in America...
706
00:47:26,982 --> 00:47:30,714
Mr McCartney, is it your
intention to set the record
707
00:47:30,786 --> 00:47:33,620
for the longest
opening in a civil action?
708
00:47:33,689 --> 00:47:36,591
The record so far is 119 days.
709
00:47:37,993 --> 00:47:42,363
I'm just trying to set out the facts
and context as clearly as I can.
710
00:47:42,899 --> 00:47:44,958
Yes, well, sometimes
less is more.
711
00:47:45,034 --> 00:47:48,129
If we'd had a jury, you'd
have lost them by now.
712
00:47:48,904 --> 00:47:50,167
Do you want me to stop?
713
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,108
Not if you think I
don't have the point.
714
00:47:53,176 --> 00:47:56,635
Now, what I'm going
to do is adjourn now.
715
00:47:57,813 --> 00:48:01,511
Think overnight about how
much more you want me to know.
716
00:48:03,153 --> 00:48:04,484
All rise.
717
00:48:18,134 --> 00:48:20,536
Coop tells me you've got
a problem with your client.
718
00:48:20,604 --> 00:48:23,004
- Yeah, she's cracking up.
- Is she ready to go?
719
00:48:23,072 --> 00:48:25,632
Well, if you've
got another judge.
720
00:48:25,708 --> 00:48:27,541
We'll get there.
721
00:48:27,610 --> 00:48:29,977
John, is this going to happen?
722
00:48:30,447 --> 00:48:33,712
Coop, warn the other parties in the
Funding Review to stand by, please.
723
00:48:33,784 --> 00:48:36,378
Will I tell the Internet
Raiders to stand down?
724
00:48:36,452 --> 00:48:38,614
If we do, we'll alert
the world and his uncle.
725
00:49:43,385 --> 00:49:45,946
Charlie ought to move
from this ghastly area.
726
00:49:46,156 --> 00:49:47,833
There's nothing wrong
with the area, George.
727
00:49:47,857 --> 00:49:49,656
Then why was she attacked?
728
00:49:55,532 --> 00:49:57,295
Oh, Charlie!
729
00:49:58,601 --> 00:50:00,467
What happened?
730
00:50:00,536 --> 00:50:01,799
Were you hurt, darling?
731
00:50:02,271 --> 00:50:05,435
I don't know what's more shocking,
this or seeing my parents together.
732
00:50:05,508 --> 00:50:07,452
It looks like an opportunistic
burglary, Sir John.
733
00:50:07,476 --> 00:50:09,797
Looks more like someone's got
a grudge against my daughter.
734
00:50:09,846 --> 00:50:12,440
It was probably Tom Cruise,
because I stood him up.
735
00:50:12,515 --> 00:50:15,917
- Is that a boyfriend, miss?
- I think it was a joke.
736
00:50:15,986 --> 00:50:17,544
I certainly hope so.
737
00:50:17,620 --> 00:50:19,817
Oh, yeah, Tom Cruise.
738
00:50:20,689 --> 00:50:24,626
- Did they get anything?
- Hard to say. Not my TV or my iPod.
739
00:50:24,693 --> 00:50:25,956
They must have missed them.
740
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:29,463
They took my laptop
with all the research.
741
00:50:29,866 --> 00:50:33,098
- Did you see them, Chas?
- It was only a blur, I'm afraid.
742
00:50:33,303 --> 00:50:35,601
It's probably as well, darling.
743
00:50:36,005 --> 00:50:38,304
Well, you can't stay
here. Come home with me.
744
00:50:38,374 --> 00:50:41,708
Yeah, the Home Secretary can
provide round-the-clock protection.
745
00:50:41,777 --> 00:50:43,838
- His name is Neil.
- Yeah, I know his name.
746
00:50:43,914 --> 00:50:47,442
Would you be able to come to the station
sometime and sign a statement, Charlie?
747
00:50:47,517 --> 00:50:50,544
No, no, no. Get the CID onto
this. Check for fingerprints.
748
00:50:50,620 --> 00:50:52,315
It's just a burglary.
749
00:50:53,690 --> 00:50:55,954
Yes, Sir John. Of course.
750
00:50:56,358 --> 00:50:58,987
Why don't you call Supt
Gaghan at Scotland Yard?
751
00:50:59,061 --> 00:51:00,690
I'm sure she's bound to help.
752
00:51:03,967 --> 00:51:05,730
Who's Supt Gaghan, Dad?
753
00:51:05,801 --> 00:51:08,203
Someone who's as useless
as the Home Secretary.
754
00:51:08,371 --> 00:51:10,236
- Don't listen to him.
- Sir John, any comment?
755
00:51:10,339 --> 00:51:11,967
It's a minor break-in.
756
00:51:12,041 --> 00:51:14,053
Do you think law and order
is getting out of control?
757
00:51:14,077 --> 00:51:16,102
If that's the line
you're running.
758
00:51:16,178 --> 00:51:18,190
Well, there have been more
and more drug-related robberies.
759
00:51:18,214 --> 00:51:20,114
Best talk to the Home
Secretary about that.
760
00:51:20,182 --> 00:51:22,708
- What's going on, Dad?
- I don't know, Chas.
761
00:51:22,785 --> 00:51:24,516
Are Caversham coming after us?
762
00:51:24,588 --> 00:51:26,317
They're the ones
with the most to lose.
763
00:51:26,388 --> 00:51:27,900
It could have been
anyone who robbed her.
764
00:51:27,924 --> 00:51:29,482
Any two. There were two of them.
765
00:51:29,558 --> 00:51:31,804
They didn't take her iPod,
they didn't even take her money.
766
00:51:31,828 --> 00:51:35,458
- They could've just missed them.
- Burglars don't miss a sixpence.
767
00:51:35,532 --> 00:51:37,124
What was in your laptop?
768
00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:38,828
The usual stuff.
769
00:51:38,902 --> 00:51:40,369
Notes on neural deficit,
770
00:51:40,436 --> 00:51:43,804
the papers from the internet
speculating about the cause.
771
00:51:43,872 --> 00:51:46,364
There's nothing that can't
be got with hours of research.
772
00:51:46,442 --> 00:51:48,241
And what about your bag?
773
00:51:48,311 --> 00:51:51,770
There's no startling new
evidence. It's all available.
774
00:51:52,482 --> 00:51:55,509
- Cumulatively, it amounts to what?
- Well, that depends.
775
00:51:55,585 --> 00:51:57,815
How long the Government and
the pharmaceutical companies
776
00:51:57,886 --> 00:51:59,651
keep on saying the
rise in neural deficit
777
00:51:59,723 --> 00:52:02,056
in these soldiers
is coincidental.
778
00:52:02,125 --> 00:52:04,923
Neil says it's due to
better reporting by GPs.
779
00:52:04,995 --> 00:52:06,758
He speaks on health
as well now, does he?
780
00:52:06,829 --> 00:52:09,356
The families of those damaged
soldiers aren't buying that, Mum.
781
00:52:09,432 --> 00:52:11,764
Time you got a proper job, Chas.
782
00:52:12,435 --> 00:52:14,266
I'll borrow a laptop.
783
00:52:14,903 --> 00:52:17,338
I'll do the work
in half the time.
784
00:52:21,043 --> 00:52:24,411
Information freely
available on the internet
785
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:28,042
is not information free
to commercial enterprise.
786
00:52:29,452 --> 00:52:34,185
Internet Raiders stole not one
of my published ideas, but 27.
787
00:52:34,923 --> 00:52:38,951
Three of these ideas, including
my online data recovery software,
788
00:52:39,028 --> 00:52:43,831
have made them a great deal
of money, over $200 million.
789
00:52:44,566 --> 00:52:49,665
With a modest 10% royalty,
they would owe me $20 million.
790
00:52:50,306 --> 00:52:53,174
I do intend to recover
what is rightfully mine
791
00:52:53,243 --> 00:52:57,772
and to this end, I will be
calling 127 witnesses...
792
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,073
Yes, I saw your
list, Mr McCartney.
793
00:53:00,150 --> 00:53:03,882
It presages an even longer
event than the McLibel trial.
794
00:53:04,854 --> 00:53:09,382
The legal costs alone to the claimants
in that case were over £10,000,000.
795
00:53:09,458 --> 00:53:13,054
Internet Raiders Incorporated
must be quaking at the prospect.
796
00:53:13,128 --> 00:53:15,529
Internet Raiders are
a cash-rich company
797
00:53:15,597 --> 00:53:18,999
which is being financially
prejudiced by this action.
798
00:53:19,868 --> 00:53:24,466
We would like to either see
this spurious claim struck out
799
00:53:24,541 --> 00:53:29,001
or at least set a reasonable
time-frame of, say, one week?
800
00:53:30,012 --> 00:53:31,413
I doubt if Mr McCartney
801
00:53:31,481 --> 00:53:34,610
could read the qualifications
of his witnesses in that time.
802
00:53:34,684 --> 00:53:37,176
Well, then we respectfully
request Your Lordship utilises
803
00:53:37,253 --> 00:53:40,951
provision of the Civil
Procedure, Rule 35.1,
804
00:53:41,024 --> 00:53:44,961
and limits experts
to... one per side.
805
00:53:45,228 --> 00:53:49,562
Mr McCartney has listed in detail
what ground his experts will cover.
806
00:53:49,631 --> 00:53:52,363
No, what I am going
to do now is adjourn
807
00:53:52,435 --> 00:53:54,927
so that each of the parties
can speak to the other.
808
00:53:55,004 --> 00:53:57,803
Who knows, you might
even reach a settlement? Talk.
809
00:53:57,874 --> 00:53:59,638
I don't mind if it takes a week.
810
00:54:00,609 --> 00:54:01,873
All rise.
811
00:54:08,118 --> 00:54:10,484
I feel like I've escaped prison.
812
00:54:10,853 --> 00:54:13,550
Mr McCartney wants
his day in court, Judge.
813
00:54:13,622 --> 00:54:15,489
He's had four already!
814
00:54:16,226 --> 00:54:18,821
Sir Monty Everard
sends his regrets.
815
00:54:18,928 --> 00:54:21,454
He's another who
can't sit with you.
816
00:54:21,898 --> 00:54:24,891
Then I'll formally open
proceedings on my own.
817
00:54:25,268 --> 00:54:26,793
Warn the other parties.
818
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:29,203
Do you think you should, Judge?
819
00:54:32,909 --> 00:54:35,105
I'm not sure we can stop Deed.
820
00:54:35,178 --> 00:54:37,204
It's not lawful, him
sitting alone, is it?
821
00:54:37,347 --> 00:54:38,576
Probably not.
822
00:54:38,882 --> 00:54:41,544
Then if he does,
it'll be struck down.
823
00:54:41,751 --> 00:54:44,481
Nothing encourages
me to think I'd win.
824
00:54:44,553 --> 00:54:47,524
I don't want to spend a
night in jail for contempt.
825
00:54:51,460 --> 00:54:55,329
Is it contempt if more
asbestos were found?
826
00:54:57,267 --> 00:55:00,294
- More asbestos?
- That's what Brian Harrison told me.
827
00:55:00,737 --> 00:55:02,763
I want to see for myself.
828
00:55:09,479 --> 00:55:12,346
This court was perfectly usable
two hours ago, Mr Harrison.
829
00:55:12,415 --> 00:55:14,475
I know, Sir John. Asbestos.
830
00:55:14,551 --> 00:55:16,247
- Show it to me.
- I daren't, Sir John.
831
00:55:16,319 --> 00:55:18,947
What, like some wild dangerous
beast, is it, ready to spring out?
832
00:55:19,021 --> 00:55:20,046
Sir John?
833
00:55:20,123 --> 00:55:21,467
If there was so much
asbestos in the building,
834
00:55:21,491 --> 00:55:24,188
half Their Lordships would
be down with mesothelioma.
835
00:55:24,260 --> 00:55:26,752
I can't breach Health
& Safety regulations.
836
00:55:26,830 --> 00:55:29,040
Find me an alternative court
or we'll hear it in the corridor.
837
00:55:29,064 --> 00:55:30,124
There isn't a court!
838
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,034
You've got 30 minutes or
we'll hear it in the corridor.
839
00:55:36,272 --> 00:55:38,605
You ought to be
ashamed of yourself, Brian.
840
00:55:38,675 --> 00:55:40,644
I'm only following orders, Rita.
841
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:42,940
That's even more shameful.
842
00:55:45,048 --> 00:55:48,610
My Lord, I urge you not to
hear this case in the corridor.
843
00:55:48,685 --> 00:55:52,815
The court is anywhere a High Court Judge
decides to preside over a lawful trial.
844
00:55:52,888 --> 00:55:56,256
A judge sitting alone in the
Divisional Court of the High Court
845
00:55:56,325 --> 00:55:57,851
is not lawful, my lord.
846
00:55:57,927 --> 00:56:01,694
Yes, I am aware of Section 66
of the Supreme Court Act, Ian.
847
00:56:02,031 --> 00:56:05,798
My lord, if you were to
hear this case in the corridor,
848
00:56:05,869 --> 00:56:09,896
it would look like transitional
justice in an emerging democracy.
849
00:56:15,178 --> 00:56:16,736
Yes. You're right.
850
00:56:16,812 --> 00:56:19,044
It should be heard in a court.
851
00:56:22,919 --> 00:56:25,252
And then this point
is further developed
852
00:56:25,321 --> 00:56:29,417
in the respondent's skeleton
argument, my lord, at paragraph nine.
853
00:56:32,195 --> 00:56:35,097
Your Lordship will see
that the case cited there
854
00:56:35,164 --> 00:56:36,909
is Charles and the
Queen, the Privy Council...
855
00:56:36,933 --> 00:56:41,496
Sir Joseph, Mr Justice Deed would
like to see you in his chambers urgently.
856
00:56:42,438 --> 00:56:47,399
Yes, well, this is, uh...
this is all very interesting,
857
00:56:47,477 --> 00:56:52,040
but I'll need to study
these papers in detail.
858
00:56:52,849 --> 00:56:54,340
All rise.
859
00:56:56,119 --> 00:56:58,452
Does this case have anything
to do with Charlie's mugging?
860
00:56:58,521 --> 00:57:00,217
Yes, I believe so.
861
00:57:00,523 --> 00:57:03,459
Well, why isn't Haughton
doing something?
862
00:57:03,526 --> 00:57:08,226
The Home Secretary's too busy protecting
the interests of the drug companies.
863
00:57:11,533 --> 00:57:14,094
Joe, will you sit with me?
864
00:57:17,974 --> 00:57:21,934
You can use my court, but I don't
think I can have anything to do with it.
865
00:57:22,011 --> 00:57:24,776
You cannot lawfully
sit on your own.
866
00:57:25,915 --> 00:57:29,750
It undermines the rule of law
and brings the bench into disrepute.
867
00:57:30,286 --> 00:57:34,747
Regardless, I'm going to take a
bold step for justice and sit alone.
868
00:57:34,824 --> 00:57:38,317
If you won't join me, any
ruling I make will be invalid
869
00:57:38,394 --> 00:57:40,590
and I shall have been defeated.
870
00:57:40,797 --> 00:57:43,596
- But then so too will justice.
- John!
871
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,469
John, don't be
such a bloody fool!
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