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He was screaming and screaming. 4 00:01:13,241 --> 00:01:16,177 - You should have woken me. - I couldn't sleep. 5 00:01:16,244 --> 00:01:18,213 I couldn't... 6 00:01:19,547 --> 00:01:22,244 Why don't you go back to the doctor? 7 00:01:22,518 --> 00:01:24,145 They stole my life! 8 00:01:28,022 --> 00:01:30,423 - Our life. - I know. 9 00:01:32,827 --> 00:01:35,194 Come on, love, you need to sleep. 10 00:01:35,263 --> 00:01:38,563 No, that doesn't stop the headaches. 11 00:01:44,305 --> 00:01:48,538 I'll get David breakfast and take him to the park before school. 12 00:01:51,012 --> 00:01:53,504 - I've let you both down, Lizzy. - Oh, no. 13 00:01:53,581 --> 00:01:55,379 - I have. - No, come on. 14 00:01:57,619 --> 00:02:00,453 It's not your fault what they gave you. 15 00:02:04,092 --> 00:02:06,288 We can still fight this, Brian. 16 00:02:07,462 --> 00:02:08,930 Maybe it's time to give up. 17 00:02:08,997 --> 00:02:10,795 Mum! Dad! 18 00:02:10,865 --> 00:02:12,834 - I'll go. - No, it's okay. 19 00:02:16,337 --> 00:02:17,669 Mum! 20 00:02:20,509 --> 00:02:21,635 Dad! 21 00:02:34,156 --> 00:02:36,715 All right, come on. Watch your steps. 22 00:02:37,058 --> 00:02:38,424 Right. That's it. 23 00:02:38,493 --> 00:02:41,725 One, two. Yep. Good boy. 24 00:02:41,863 --> 00:02:43,593 Watch the road now. 25 00:02:44,766 --> 00:02:45,893 Okay. 26 00:02:47,936 --> 00:02:49,767 We're going to go somewhere nice, David. 27 00:02:49,837 --> 00:02:52,807 Somewhere very nice. All right? Here you are. 28 00:04:31,806 --> 00:04:33,708 "For if the darkness and corruption 29 00:04:33,776 --> 00:04:37,144 "leave a vestige of the thoughts that once I had, 30 00:04:37,579 --> 00:04:41,481 "better by far you should forget and smile 31 00:04:41,783 --> 00:04:45,845 "than that you should remember and be sad." 32 00:04:56,164 --> 00:04:57,963 Thank you for coming, Stella. 33 00:05:07,141 --> 00:05:08,609 Well, you know where I am. 34 00:05:15,350 --> 00:05:17,819 I should have got up with him that morning. 35 00:05:24,091 --> 00:05:26,492 Brian couldn't take it any more. 36 00:05:26,594 --> 00:05:28,120 Neither of us could. 37 00:05:29,397 --> 00:05:30,865 Not even David. 38 00:05:32,867 --> 00:05:36,861 Taking away our legal aid like they did was the last straw. 39 00:05:39,007 --> 00:05:42,375 Well, we might still be able to get the drugs company into court. 40 00:05:42,444 --> 00:05:46,813 Now, I don't want to give you any false hopes, but I won't give up. 41 00:06:06,702 --> 00:06:08,329 I won't drop this. I can't. 42 00:06:08,402 --> 00:06:10,997 Mr Justice Niven has ruled that the decision to withdraw funding 43 00:06:11,072 --> 00:06:12,132 was reasonable. 44 00:06:12,207 --> 00:06:13,750 He's like a mouthpiece for the Government 45 00:06:13,774 --> 00:06:15,037 and the drug companies. 46 00:06:15,109 --> 00:06:17,738 This soldier, this acutely depressed soldier 47 00:06:17,812 --> 00:06:20,680 killing himself and his child must mean something. 48 00:06:20,748 --> 00:06:23,742 Legal aid had encouraged them with funding 49 00:06:23,819 --> 00:06:25,819 and the other soldiers damaged by the vaccinations. 50 00:06:25,888 --> 00:06:28,049 And then, just inches away from the court door, 51 00:06:28,122 --> 00:06:30,285 it was withdrawn on instructions from the Government. 52 00:06:30,359 --> 00:06:31,656 Evidence of that? 53 00:06:31,726 --> 00:06:34,161 They know that these drugs are causing neurological problems. 54 00:06:34,228 --> 00:06:36,841 Well, there's a yawning gap between what we know and what can be proven. 55 00:06:36,865 --> 00:06:39,858 John! How many more people's lives must be ruined 56 00:06:39,935 --> 00:06:42,631 while these drug companies make bigger and bigger profits? 57 00:06:42,704 --> 00:06:46,539 And the worst of it is... is that the Army mocks and reviles 58 00:06:46,608 --> 00:06:49,635 Brian Meam and the others, telling them they're mad and mistaken. 59 00:06:49,711 --> 00:06:51,145 Why didn't he go after the Army? 60 00:06:51,213 --> 00:06:54,513 Because the Army argued successfully that the drugs weren't damaging, 61 00:06:54,583 --> 00:06:57,985 and if they were, they wouldn't have had the means to tell, anyway. 62 00:06:58,053 --> 00:07:01,387 All Brian Meam wanted was for someone to acknowledge 63 00:07:01,456 --> 00:07:03,925 that the cocktail of vaccinations forced on him 64 00:07:04,026 --> 00:07:05,550 might just have caused his problems. 65 00:07:05,626 --> 00:07:06,754 And if they didn't? 66 00:07:06,828 --> 00:07:09,106 He was formerly fit and healthy, like the other soldiers were. 67 00:07:09,130 --> 00:07:11,191 His medical records clearly state that. 68 00:07:12,700 --> 00:07:14,636 What do you want me to do, Jo? 69 00:07:14,970 --> 00:07:17,462 I'm hard against the wall. 70 00:07:17,539 --> 00:07:19,404 There must be some way around this. 71 00:07:20,709 --> 00:07:23,838 The issue of legal aid being withdrawn needs to be re-examined. 72 00:07:23,912 --> 00:07:25,689 Well, I don't see how. Mr Justice Niven has ruled. 73 00:07:25,713 --> 00:07:29,445 John, can't you see the injustice staring you in the face? 74 00:07:30,051 --> 00:07:33,078 Mr Justice Niven is totally biased. 75 00:07:33,154 --> 00:07:35,147 His whole family are research doctors. 76 00:07:35,223 --> 00:07:37,215 His son lives in the same village 77 00:07:37,292 --> 00:07:39,624 as a lawyer from the Funding Review Committee. 78 00:07:39,694 --> 00:07:41,095 They play tennis together! 79 00:07:41,163 --> 00:07:45,100 Mr Justice Niven is a High Court Judge of long standing. 80 00:07:45,167 --> 00:07:48,331 Now, can you really substantiate these allegations? 81 00:07:48,971 --> 00:07:51,316 Do you know, at one time, you would have stormed the citadel. 82 00:07:51,340 --> 00:07:52,364 Oh, don't start. 83 00:07:52,441 --> 00:07:55,086 Broken down the barricades. All you needed was a whiff of injustice. 84 00:07:55,110 --> 00:07:57,010 I am sorry to have bothered you. 85 00:08:23,138 --> 00:08:25,972 - Coop! - Oh, I wasn't expecting you back. 86 00:08:26,041 --> 00:08:28,319 See if Mr Justice Niven is still in the building, would you, please? 87 00:08:28,343 --> 00:08:29,402 I'd like a word. 88 00:08:29,478 --> 00:08:32,038 - Here, Judge, or in his room? - Just find him. 89 00:08:34,515 --> 00:08:36,485 The decision of the Funding Review Committee 90 00:08:36,551 --> 00:08:40,784 to withdraw the legal aid certificate was perfectly fair, John. 91 00:08:40,855 --> 00:08:43,917 How could the Government or anyone else have manipulated things? 92 00:08:43,992 --> 00:08:47,121 Weren't these soldiers perfectly normal before the vaccinations? 93 00:08:47,195 --> 00:08:49,061 According to his medical record, 94 00:08:49,131 --> 00:08:52,590 there was nothing to connect his condition causally to them. 95 00:08:52,667 --> 00:08:56,661 Counsel for the claimant suggested that scientific evidence would soon be found, 96 00:08:56,738 --> 00:08:59,708 seems a bizarre basis for continuing funding. 97 00:08:59,775 --> 00:09:04,713 These cases bumped along for five years, Michael, fully funded. 98 00:09:04,780 --> 00:09:08,910 And then moments before the doors of the High Court, funding is withdrawn. 99 00:09:08,983 --> 00:09:12,078 The tests for legal aid are far more stringent now. 100 00:09:12,153 --> 00:09:16,455 Part 15.3 of the Funding Code says that a certificate can be withdrawn 101 00:09:16,525 --> 00:09:19,392 when it is unreasonable for funding to continue. 102 00:09:19,461 --> 00:09:23,489 Without causal connection, it was unreasonable for them to continue. 103 00:09:23,565 --> 00:09:28,196 15.3 also deals with the wider public interest. Surely there was one here. 104 00:09:29,036 --> 00:09:31,336 In my view, it was addressed. 105 00:09:32,673 --> 00:09:36,337 - How did this come your way? - I have some medical knowledge. 106 00:09:36,410 --> 00:09:37,470 Oh. 107 00:09:37,546 --> 00:09:40,380 I read medicine at Jesus before I did law. 108 00:09:41,349 --> 00:09:44,114 Someone had to separate law from emotion. 109 00:09:44,186 --> 00:09:46,620 There was an awful lot of emotion surrounding these cases. 110 00:09:46,688 --> 00:09:48,213 Well, how could there not be? 111 00:09:48,290 --> 00:09:51,783 This was just one of a number of soldiers who committed suicide. 112 00:09:51,860 --> 00:09:55,956 It was the absence of evidence that led me to my conclusion. 113 00:09:56,031 --> 00:09:59,468 We mustn't unreasonably damage pharmaceutical companies 114 00:09:59,534 --> 00:10:01,196 on the basis of hysteria. 115 00:10:01,269 --> 00:10:04,637 They can't function with the prospect of lawsuits hanging over them. 116 00:10:04,706 --> 00:10:08,302 Mistakes must sometimes be viewed tolerantly by the courts. 117 00:10:08,376 --> 00:10:12,040 In a single case, perhaps, but surely not on this scale? 118 00:10:12,114 --> 00:10:14,811 Nothing suggests a widespread problem. 119 00:10:15,383 --> 00:10:17,375 Pharmaceutical companies are in the frontline 120 00:10:17,452 --> 00:10:19,546 in the fight against bio-terrorism. 121 00:10:19,621 --> 00:10:22,955 They are helping to protect these soldiers and everyone else. 122 00:10:23,024 --> 00:10:26,825 We mustn't impede them with unjustifiable actions. 123 00:10:31,500 --> 00:10:35,528 Is Mrs Mills still tied up with that rag-bag of radicals? 124 00:10:35,604 --> 00:10:36,902 Yes. 125 00:10:37,172 --> 00:10:39,038 But that doesn't preclude the possibility 126 00:10:39,107 --> 00:10:40,972 of her clients being treated unfairly. 127 00:10:41,041 --> 00:10:44,205 By Michael Niven? Oh, I doubt it. 128 00:10:44,278 --> 00:10:46,475 Well, there is a serious risk of bias. 129 00:10:46,548 --> 00:10:49,108 His medical connections are well known. 130 00:10:49,184 --> 00:10:50,981 Doesn't his son play tennis 131 00:10:51,051 --> 00:10:53,030 with one of the lawyers on the Funding Review Committee? 132 00:10:53,054 --> 00:10:55,285 No, no, no. That doesn't follow. 133 00:10:55,357 --> 00:10:57,223 You must accept what you are, John. 134 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,461 A member of a very exclusive club. 135 00:11:14,876 --> 00:11:16,742 It can't be that bad. 136 00:11:18,346 --> 00:11:21,111 Well, I'm not suicidal. Not yet, anyway. 137 00:11:21,183 --> 00:11:23,914 Everything is improved with another glass of wine. 138 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,615 - Cheers. - Thank you. 139 00:11:41,403 --> 00:11:43,269 We used to play this as kids. 140 00:11:43,338 --> 00:11:45,239 I know another game. 141 00:11:47,442 --> 00:11:49,468 I have a room here, Judge. 142 00:11:49,711 --> 00:11:52,044 How did you know I was a judge? 143 00:11:52,214 --> 00:11:53,705 You told me. 144 00:11:55,850 --> 00:11:57,113 Come on. 145 00:12:14,636 --> 00:12:17,504 - You're very naughty. - I haven't done anything yet. 146 00:12:17,572 --> 00:12:18,938 Yet. 147 00:12:19,007 --> 00:12:20,407 Here I am. 148 00:12:27,048 --> 00:12:29,347 Am I very drunk, Judy? 149 00:12:29,417 --> 00:12:33,047 - You're not drunk at all. - Why is everybody staring? 150 00:12:33,121 --> 00:12:35,647 No one is staring at you, Judge. 151 00:12:38,326 --> 00:12:42,923 Yes, I am. I am far too drunk to be of any use to either of us. 152 00:12:44,232 --> 00:12:46,064 Thanks for the offer. 153 00:12:46,635 --> 00:12:48,900 John! Come back. 154 00:13:00,682 --> 00:13:02,947 - What happened? - He said he was too drunk. 155 00:13:03,485 --> 00:13:04,646 Okay. 156 00:13:05,754 --> 00:13:07,950 We'll catch him another time. 157 00:13:37,652 --> 00:13:38,881 Who is it? 158 00:13:39,220 --> 00:13:41,280 - Jo, it's John. - John who? 159 00:13:41,991 --> 00:13:43,856 How manyJohns do you know? 160 00:13:43,925 --> 00:13:45,689 What do you want, John? 161 00:13:46,194 --> 00:13:47,719 To talk... 162 00:13:47,796 --> 00:13:49,526 about Michael Niven's ruling. 163 00:13:56,905 --> 00:13:59,966 - Colby. - Deed's shown up at Mrs Mills'. 164 00:14:00,575 --> 00:14:02,134 To talk about the case? 165 00:14:02,211 --> 00:14:03,838 It started that way. 166 00:14:04,479 --> 00:14:06,846 It's more about sex now. Listen. 167 00:14:08,683 --> 00:14:10,948 - John. We shouldn't... - Shouldn't what? 168 00:14:11,219 --> 00:14:13,484 Okay. So what happened? Hmm? 169 00:14:14,789 --> 00:14:15,867 All right, Tom. Now, listen. 170 00:14:15,891 --> 00:14:19,419 I want a full transcript of everything said. Yeah? 171 00:14:19,961 --> 00:14:21,862 All right. Speak to you later. Bye. 172 00:14:28,303 --> 00:14:29,738 Deed is with the lawyer. 173 00:14:29,805 --> 00:14:32,797 It appears amorous but they are talking about the case. 174 00:14:32,875 --> 00:14:35,605 - Well, that won't benefit us, will it? - It might, sir. 175 00:14:35,677 --> 00:14:37,339 We should go full surveillance on Deed. 176 00:14:37,412 --> 00:14:39,973 I'm not sure I can procure a fully authorised tap 177 00:14:40,049 --> 00:14:41,573 on a High Court Judge, Major. 178 00:14:41,883 --> 00:14:45,183 That won't be necessary. We can handle it ourselves. 179 00:14:45,353 --> 00:14:47,686 There is a lot at stake, Percy. 180 00:14:49,925 --> 00:14:51,187 Shall we? 181 00:15:05,206 --> 00:15:07,176 You gave me a turn, Judge. 182 00:15:07,243 --> 00:15:10,337 I thought perhaps someone was here who shouldn't have been. 183 00:15:10,413 --> 00:15:12,847 - Like who? - Oh, I don't know. 184 00:15:12,914 --> 00:15:15,383 There are weird people creeping about from the DCA. 185 00:15:15,450 --> 00:15:18,852 There was one here this morning who was doing an audit on equipment. 186 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:20,719 Spying on us, more likely. 187 00:15:20,790 --> 00:15:23,224 I wondered why the door was locked. 188 00:15:23,291 --> 00:15:25,556 Did you look at the internet plagiarism papers? 189 00:15:25,627 --> 00:15:29,655 80,000 pages? No, I told them I didn't want it. 190 00:15:29,731 --> 00:15:31,530 I haven't got two years to spare. 191 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,199 The court manager hoped I'd persuade you, 192 00:15:33,234 --> 00:15:38,105 - they can't get anyone else to do it. - No, I'm not surprised. Come on! 193 00:15:38,174 --> 00:15:39,903 You looking for something? 194 00:15:39,974 --> 00:15:44,105 Yeah. Information on that soldier who killed himself and his child. 195 00:15:44,179 --> 00:15:46,444 The papers said he was depressed. 196 00:15:46,514 --> 00:15:48,143 Yes. 197 00:15:48,217 --> 00:15:50,651 It looks like the family went through hell. 198 00:15:53,421 --> 00:15:54,616 Judge? 199 00:15:57,725 --> 00:16:00,092 See if you can find out how the legal aid funding review 200 00:16:00,161 --> 00:16:01,926 went to Mr Justice Niven, will you, please? 201 00:16:01,997 --> 00:16:05,229 - Okay. - And where Mrs Mills is this morning. 202 00:16:13,575 --> 00:16:17,342 Have you explored every avenue on this denial of legal aid? 203 00:16:17,679 --> 00:16:19,491 John, I know you don't like the company I keep, 204 00:16:19,515 --> 00:16:23,008 but they are competent and concerned for justice for the soldiers. 205 00:16:23,085 --> 00:16:25,246 Have they found you a way round Mr Justice Niven? 206 00:16:25,321 --> 00:16:26,797 Of course not. He was far too clever. 207 00:16:26,821 --> 00:16:29,257 He's savaged the case and threatened them with costs 208 00:16:29,325 --> 00:16:32,659 if they pressed for a full hearing in the Divisional Court. 209 00:16:32,728 --> 00:16:34,218 Is there any new evidence? 210 00:16:34,295 --> 00:16:37,459 All routes to the full court go through Mr Justice Niven, Sir John. 211 00:16:37,532 --> 00:16:40,764 We can't revisit the decision to withdraw funding. 212 00:16:40,835 --> 00:16:43,635 Unless the conduct of the litigation was invalid. 213 00:16:43,705 --> 00:16:45,571 Are you saying it was? 214 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,974 You have considered possible bias in view of his medical connections? 215 00:16:49,043 --> 00:16:50,171 You know we have. 216 00:16:50,246 --> 00:16:53,045 Yeah. We were told it helped his understanding of the case. 217 00:16:53,115 --> 00:16:55,242 And what about his son's relationship 218 00:16:55,316 --> 00:16:57,028 with one of the lawyers on the funding committee? 219 00:16:57,052 --> 00:17:00,045 That just takes the argument back to Niven. 220 00:17:00,122 --> 00:17:04,388 Try and establish possible bias with the proceedings before him. 221 00:17:04,459 --> 00:17:07,396 Then make an application before me in the Divisional Court, 222 00:17:07,463 --> 00:17:09,762 if you can find another judge. 223 00:17:10,165 --> 00:17:12,484 Well, where are we supposed to find one, at Woolworths? 224 00:17:12,967 --> 00:17:15,459 No. We'll get through this somehow. 225 00:17:15,537 --> 00:17:17,234 You're welcome. 226 00:17:17,873 --> 00:17:18,999 Jo. 227 00:17:20,009 --> 00:17:22,477 He's just made us the sort of offer we can't refuse. 228 00:17:23,177 --> 00:17:25,723 There's too many complications, Peter. Believe me, it's not worth it. 229 00:17:25,747 --> 00:17:29,206 I don't care. If it gets us another day in court, who cares how we get it? 230 00:17:30,886 --> 00:17:33,445 If I told you we had sex last night? 231 00:17:37,526 --> 00:17:39,756 Well, you're both consenting. 232 00:17:40,596 --> 00:17:43,326 Think about all those damaged soldiers. 233 00:17:43,631 --> 00:17:45,100 What about Lizzy Meam? 234 00:17:45,167 --> 00:17:49,069 She's lost her husband and her son as a result of those vaccinations. 235 00:17:49,137 --> 00:17:52,505 And if we won and anyone found out about me and Deed? 236 00:17:52,874 --> 00:17:54,309 Not only would we be appealed, 237 00:17:54,376 --> 00:17:57,312 we would have hefty costs against us and so would the soldiers. 238 00:17:57,379 --> 00:17:59,506 First, we'd have to get to court. 239 00:17:59,581 --> 00:18:03,245 Then get our funding. Then someone would have to find out. 240 00:18:03,551 --> 00:18:05,282 Just talk to Lizzy Meam. 241 00:18:29,612 --> 00:18:32,582 Can Deed review the previous judge's decision in this case? 242 00:18:33,481 --> 00:18:34,642 I can't see how. 243 00:18:34,716 --> 00:18:36,185 The case has been decided. 244 00:18:37,919 --> 00:18:41,652 We spent a lot of money on intelligence, Neil, as you know. 245 00:18:42,558 --> 00:18:45,722 Then you'll know the one thing Deed always does in his meddling 246 00:18:45,794 --> 00:18:47,921 is operate within the rules. 247 00:18:50,199 --> 00:18:52,498 The head of the DCA informs Percy Thrower 248 00:18:52,568 --> 00:18:53,695 that Deed cannot reopen 249 00:18:53,769 --> 00:18:57,864 that which another High Court Judge has closed. It's unconstitutional. 250 00:18:57,939 --> 00:18:58,964 Were we to let it happen, 251 00:18:59,041 --> 00:19:00,941 we'd have judges reopening anything they chose. 252 00:19:01,009 --> 00:19:04,912 And if he tries to look at the procedure, not the merits? 253 00:19:04,979 --> 00:19:08,814 These vaccines are so very important for our protection, Neil. 254 00:19:09,985 --> 00:19:13,080 The Government promised to ring-fence the pharmaceutical industry 255 00:19:13,155 --> 00:19:15,555 and protect us against compensation claims. 256 00:19:16,191 --> 00:19:19,389 We can't go on developing drugs against bio-terrorism agents 257 00:19:19,461 --> 00:19:23,228 when our coffers are being sucked dry by obsessive claimants. 258 00:19:24,166 --> 00:19:28,626 A development fund of £4 billion is not likely to see the pot running dry. 259 00:19:28,836 --> 00:19:31,136 We'll deliver what we promised. 260 00:19:31,206 --> 00:19:33,971 Our Civil Contingencies Amendment Bill will protect you 261 00:19:34,043 --> 00:19:36,603 and other major pharmaceuticals from ever being sued. 262 00:19:37,046 --> 00:19:38,139 Good. 263 00:19:38,213 --> 00:19:40,944 It'll be law before Deed gets off the starting block. 264 00:19:45,420 --> 00:19:47,720 I feel very bitter, Mrs Mills. 265 00:19:49,123 --> 00:19:51,650 That first lot of solicitors we had were wicked. 266 00:19:51,727 --> 00:19:55,391 They went and got an expert witness from the drug company's website! 267 00:19:55,630 --> 00:20:00,069 We didn't know any better, but they must have known he'd help them more than us. 268 00:20:02,570 --> 00:20:06,735 If they'd have let us get to court, Brian and David would still be alive. 269 00:20:06,809 --> 00:20:09,607 We'd have enough money to get proper help for Brian. 270 00:20:11,146 --> 00:20:14,480 Why did the drugs company threaten everyone with costs like that? 271 00:20:14,550 --> 00:20:16,347 Don't they have enough money? 272 00:20:16,417 --> 00:20:19,320 Survival, profits, that's all that matters to them. 273 00:20:19,388 --> 00:20:22,586 You somehow wish it would happen to some of them. 274 00:20:22,924 --> 00:20:26,123 They used Brian and all the others as guinea pigs. 275 00:20:30,398 --> 00:20:34,393 There is a chance that they could go after us again for costs, 276 00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:36,462 if we got to court and lost. 277 00:20:36,537 --> 00:20:38,473 I don't see any point now. 278 00:20:41,577 --> 00:20:43,841 It won't bring Brian and David back. 279 00:20:49,017 --> 00:20:51,748 Maybe they've found some peace at last. 280 00:20:51,820 --> 00:20:53,584 I feel I've let you down, Lizzy. 281 00:20:58,527 --> 00:20:59,995 It's weird. 282 00:21:02,264 --> 00:21:04,061 I miss Brian's screaming. 283 00:21:07,069 --> 00:21:09,368 I'd put up with anything to have him back. 284 00:21:12,741 --> 00:21:14,402 It would start without warning 285 00:21:14,475 --> 00:21:17,275 and end up with him banging his head against the wall. 286 00:21:19,848 --> 00:21:22,647 What made it worse was not being able to help. 287 00:21:26,622 --> 00:21:31,355 I lie in bed and listen for sounds of him roaming around the house, 288 00:21:31,425 --> 00:21:33,156 unable to sleep, 289 00:21:34,429 --> 00:21:38,729 praying that he and David aren't really... 290 00:21:47,943 --> 00:21:52,175 Would they get the house if we lost, or what's not on the mortgage? 291 00:21:52,313 --> 00:21:53,805 They might try. 292 00:21:55,150 --> 00:21:56,812 Let them take it. 293 00:21:57,986 --> 00:22:00,512 I don't think I want to be here any more. 294 00:22:00,823 --> 00:22:02,849 I wouldn't want it costing you and Peter. 295 00:22:02,925 --> 00:22:05,360 I'm not sure I can pay you now there's no legal aid. 296 00:22:05,427 --> 00:22:07,487 Peter's agreed to do it pro bono. 297 00:22:07,563 --> 00:22:09,326 I can manage without a fee. 298 00:22:10,232 --> 00:22:14,294 Lizzy, we could shove it right back at that pharmaceutical company, 299 00:22:14,369 --> 00:22:17,430 warn them how we might come after them for big costs. 300 00:22:19,373 --> 00:22:21,309 If we do get this started, 301 00:22:21,376 --> 00:22:25,370 you know what'll happen if they discover that we've recently had sex. 302 00:22:26,715 --> 00:22:28,206 Is that all it was? 303 00:22:31,186 --> 00:22:33,621 You could get one of the other advocates to lead. 304 00:22:33,689 --> 00:22:37,091 - You know I can't. - You risk being disbarred. 305 00:22:37,159 --> 00:22:40,459 In the face of such injustice, I don't see why I'd care. 306 00:22:40,529 --> 00:22:42,841 As much as I know a lot of people would like to get rid of me, 307 00:22:42,865 --> 00:22:44,424 I can't be disbarred. 308 00:22:46,501 --> 00:22:49,494 John, please try to get some other judges to take the application. 309 00:22:49,571 --> 00:22:51,563 Who would you suggest? 310 00:22:51,707 --> 00:22:53,073 Mimi! 311 00:23:08,590 --> 00:23:11,321 The clerk in the list office was very shirty 312 00:23:11,393 --> 00:23:14,022 about me getting the funding review papers. 313 00:23:14,095 --> 00:23:15,564 - Did he give a reason? - No. 314 00:23:15,631 --> 00:23:17,565 Just a load of old flannel. 315 00:23:17,933 --> 00:23:19,993 Did you find out how it went to Michael Niven? 316 00:23:20,068 --> 00:23:21,866 Someone bypassed the list office. 317 00:23:21,937 --> 00:23:24,168 I think that's what put the clerk's nose out of joint. 318 00:23:24,239 --> 00:23:25,332 Did Sir Michael ask for it? 319 00:23:25,407 --> 00:23:28,571 He was chosen because of his medical background. 320 00:23:29,244 --> 00:23:32,271 Both his sons and his daughter are doctors. 321 00:23:32,347 --> 00:23:34,145 And he went to college at the same time 322 00:23:34,216 --> 00:23:37,152 as Sir Ian Rochester and Sir Percy Thrower. 323 00:23:37,286 --> 00:23:40,552 Interesting. But circumstantial. 324 00:23:40,822 --> 00:23:43,758 Well, he certainly gave the Government the response they wanted. 325 00:23:43,825 --> 00:23:44,884 Did he? 326 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,055 Well, they're in partnership with the drugs companies nowadays. 327 00:23:48,130 --> 00:23:51,931 Well, let's see, when I approach Ian Rochester about the case. 328 00:23:52,301 --> 00:23:53,894 That'll be fun. 329 00:23:57,205 --> 00:24:00,471 Surely it's not acceptable to examine a brother judge in this way 330 00:24:00,542 --> 00:24:02,272 now the Court of Appeal's ruled? 331 00:24:02,344 --> 00:24:03,676 Not on this, it hasn't. 332 00:24:03,745 --> 00:24:06,476 Presumably it thought the original decision was correct. 333 00:24:06,548 --> 00:24:10,815 Bias on the part of Michael Niven, if there was any, would invalidate that. 334 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:15,257 I don't control the list. I can't jump a case listed for you 335 00:24:15,324 --> 00:24:16,901 in the Divisional Court to the front of the queue. 336 00:24:16,925 --> 00:24:21,192 If a court is free, and if I can find a judge, we can start right away. 337 00:24:24,333 --> 00:24:26,199 Aren't you supposed to be at The Hague? 338 00:24:26,268 --> 00:24:30,228 There isn't any work for me in the International Criminal Court. 339 00:24:30,572 --> 00:24:33,667 The world's awash with international criminals. 340 00:24:37,012 --> 00:24:39,675 Why did the original review go to Michael Niven? 341 00:24:39,748 --> 00:24:42,513 The next most suitable judge, presumably. 342 00:24:42,885 --> 00:24:45,217 You were at Cambridge together, weren't you? 343 00:24:45,287 --> 00:24:47,882 He was ahead of me. I'm not sure we ever met there. 344 00:24:50,792 --> 00:24:52,761 I do need a court, Ian. 345 00:24:52,828 --> 00:24:56,026 If Mrs Cooper calls Court Services, I'm sure they'll find you one, 346 00:24:56,098 --> 00:24:59,262 but you may be heading into dangerous waters with this. 347 00:25:00,003 --> 00:25:01,095 Ah. 348 00:25:18,387 --> 00:25:20,357 Mr Justice Niven, Judge. 349 00:25:21,456 --> 00:25:22,947 Michael. 350 00:25:23,025 --> 00:25:26,757 My clerk informs me that you've asked for all the papers 351 00:25:26,828 --> 00:25:29,593 in the drugs funding review. 352 00:25:29,664 --> 00:25:33,499 - I don't think we got them. - Why do you want them? 353 00:25:34,337 --> 00:25:37,170 I've been asked to sit in the Divisional Court. 354 00:25:37,239 --> 00:25:38,935 We're looking at your ruling 355 00:25:39,007 --> 00:25:42,774 upholding the decision to withdraw funding from Brian Meam, 356 00:25:43,078 --> 00:25:44,479 the soldier. 357 00:25:45,113 --> 00:25:46,445 Who made this application? 358 00:25:46,515 --> 00:25:49,178 The representatives are Radical Lawyers for Justice. 359 00:25:49,251 --> 00:25:50,310 Ah. 360 00:25:51,953 --> 00:25:54,651 The decision to withdraw was appropriate. 361 00:25:54,724 --> 00:25:56,589 There is no causal link. 362 00:25:56,658 --> 00:26:00,823 A lot of state funding was already spent looking for a link. 363 00:26:00,929 --> 00:26:05,697 A hitherto healthy soldier was given a cocktail of drugs for his protection 364 00:26:06,268 --> 00:26:08,170 and suffered neurological damage. 365 00:26:08,237 --> 00:26:11,263 There was a history of ill health in his family. 366 00:26:11,340 --> 00:26:14,332 Nothing took me to the drugs as cause. 367 00:26:14,409 --> 00:26:18,211 Radical Lawyers claim your decision is unsustainable, Michael, 368 00:26:18,980 --> 00:26:21,815 on account of your background association with medics. 369 00:26:21,884 --> 00:26:23,442 My background... 370 00:26:23,652 --> 00:26:26,019 I saw no reasonable cause. 371 00:26:26,088 --> 00:26:29,957 One of your sons plays tennis with a lawyer who sat on the committee. 372 00:26:30,025 --> 00:26:33,223 - How could that affect my judgement? - That's what we have to look at. 373 00:26:33,295 --> 00:26:36,629 This is not the sort of behaviour one expects from a brother judge. 374 00:26:38,066 --> 00:26:40,058 We won't wear it, John. 375 00:26:44,106 --> 00:26:47,042 Why would Ian Rochester lie about being at Jesus with Michael Niven? 376 00:26:47,109 --> 00:26:49,739 The information's so easily checked. 377 00:26:50,112 --> 00:26:52,206 They were there in '74. 378 00:26:52,515 --> 00:26:54,949 They even rowed together briefly. 379 00:26:55,685 --> 00:26:58,313 Could he be drawing you into this for some purpose? 380 00:26:58,386 --> 00:27:00,719 - Are you getting paranoid? - With just cause. 381 00:27:01,123 --> 00:27:04,093 Considering what's at stake for Government and pharmaceutical companies. 382 00:27:04,159 --> 00:27:05,457 Evidence? 383 00:27:05,527 --> 00:27:07,519 Intuition. Not very reliable. 384 00:27:07,596 --> 00:27:09,896 Neither is evidence sometimes. 385 00:27:09,966 --> 00:27:14,335 I've got a feeling Sir Percy Thrower might provide a key. 386 00:27:14,903 --> 00:27:17,896 Because they were at Cambridge together? 387 00:27:19,107 --> 00:27:20,666 We keep coming back to the Home Office 388 00:27:20,742 --> 00:27:23,713 and its concern with bio-terrorism, right? 389 00:27:23,779 --> 00:27:26,613 The pharmaceuticals are making vaccines against possible attacks. 390 00:27:26,682 --> 00:27:31,847 The Army is providing them with guinea pigs. John, it's so unjust! 391 00:27:32,420 --> 00:27:34,061 They did it with the soldiers in the '50s, 392 00:27:34,123 --> 00:27:36,216 testing the effects of nuclear weapons. 393 00:27:36,291 --> 00:27:37,782 One fight at a time. 394 00:27:40,663 --> 00:27:43,861 I'd concentrate on Michael Niven's possible bias. 395 00:27:45,967 --> 00:27:47,459 Do you want to eat? 396 00:27:47,537 --> 00:27:48,970 Not in the circumstances. 397 00:27:49,037 --> 00:27:52,371 Circumstantially, eating's no different from having a drink. 398 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,808 - It's what happens afterwards. - Excuse me. 399 00:27:58,247 --> 00:28:00,306 - How are you? - Have we met? 400 00:28:00,716 --> 00:28:02,377 Ian Rochester's party. 401 00:28:02,450 --> 00:28:03,942 Wrong party. Sorry. 402 00:28:12,427 --> 00:28:15,591 You really don't let the grass grow under your feet, do you? 403 00:28:15,730 --> 00:28:16,754 No. 404 00:28:21,404 --> 00:28:22,632 What's all this? 405 00:28:22,704 --> 00:28:26,607 Papers from the Judicial Review Mr Justice Niven conducted. 406 00:28:27,309 --> 00:28:29,642 I'm looking at why the soldier's funding was withdrawn, 407 00:28:29,711 --> 00:28:31,510 I'm not writing a history of legal aid. 408 00:28:31,581 --> 00:28:33,776 This is just a quarter of it! 409 00:28:33,848 --> 00:28:36,317 That's one way of slowing us up. Where's my policeman? 410 00:28:36,384 --> 00:28:39,877 - You banished him to the library. - I've got something for him to do. 411 00:28:41,624 --> 00:28:43,114 Have you taken up smoking? 412 00:28:43,191 --> 00:28:44,832 I want him to check that for fingerprints. 413 00:28:44,894 --> 00:28:46,704 I think the owner might have been following me. 414 00:28:46,728 --> 00:28:48,527 - Why? - Don't tell Stephen. 415 00:28:48,598 --> 00:28:51,898 - He'll smother me with protection. - Yes, but if they're following you? 416 00:28:51,968 --> 00:28:54,995 Well, if we find out who, we might find out why. 417 00:28:55,071 --> 00:28:57,767 Tell him it's urgent. Oh, Coop. 418 00:28:58,708 --> 00:29:01,074 No more papers. I'll ask questions instead. 419 00:29:01,142 --> 00:29:02,236 Yes. 420 00:29:04,012 --> 00:29:06,244 Is Deed getting this case on? 421 00:29:06,515 --> 00:29:09,075 I wish I could say he wasn't, Percy. 422 00:29:10,152 --> 00:29:12,883 Caversham are feeling persecuted by him. 423 00:29:13,289 --> 00:29:14,756 He's looking into the possibility of 424 00:29:14,823 --> 00:29:17,588 apparent bias on Mr Justice Niven's part. 425 00:29:17,659 --> 00:29:18,889 A clever move. 426 00:29:18,961 --> 00:29:20,861 It means he isn't seen to be trespassing 427 00:29:20,929 --> 00:29:23,764 on the substance of the litigation itself. 428 00:29:28,036 --> 00:29:31,200 If the soldier's widow gets funding reinstated, 429 00:29:33,876 --> 00:29:37,573 she'd pursue the pharmaceutical companies through the courts. 430 00:29:37,646 --> 00:29:39,513 Some of our best lawyers are looking into 431 00:29:39,582 --> 00:29:42,551 why Deed shouldn't re-examine the Niven ruling. 432 00:29:42,618 --> 00:29:44,382 And if he does, Ian? 433 00:29:45,253 --> 00:29:47,723 Does it matter if this soldier's widow gets to court? 434 00:29:47,790 --> 00:29:49,314 Perhaps we owe her the truth. 435 00:29:49,392 --> 00:29:50,724 The fallout could be huge. 436 00:29:50,793 --> 00:29:52,556 Caversham might up stakes and quit Britain. 437 00:29:52,627 --> 00:29:54,392 Actually, it's more than lost jobs. 438 00:29:54,463 --> 00:29:56,903 They are the vanguard in the PM's fight against bio-terrorism. 439 00:29:56,966 --> 00:29:58,025 We could speed up 440 00:29:58,099 --> 00:30:00,501 the Civil Contingencies Amendment Bill, Home Secretary. 441 00:30:00,569 --> 00:30:02,127 Give them the protection they need. 442 00:30:02,203 --> 00:30:04,901 Too much haste and we might be spotted, Lex. 443 00:30:08,777 --> 00:30:12,305 Efforts are being made to hinder Deed, Home Secretary. 444 00:30:12,380 --> 00:30:15,407 For once, Percy, I'd like to stop him legally. 445 00:30:15,917 --> 00:30:18,910 That would really take him down a peg or two. 446 00:30:21,824 --> 00:30:23,086 Judge. 447 00:30:25,027 --> 00:30:28,555 The court manager says there's no court available. 448 00:30:29,364 --> 00:30:32,562 I do know that 5 and 27 are free. 449 00:30:32,634 --> 00:30:35,264 - Okay, grab one of those. - When are you sitting? 450 00:30:35,338 --> 00:30:37,170 As soon as I can find another judge. 451 00:30:37,239 --> 00:30:38,798 I'll warn the other parties. 452 00:30:42,478 --> 00:30:44,106 Is the judge in, Mrs Cooper? 453 00:30:44,447 --> 00:30:47,576 Ah, come in, Stephen. Did you get a result on those fingerprints? 454 00:30:47,650 --> 00:30:50,551 Well, I did get a response. I can't have the information. 455 00:30:50,618 --> 00:30:53,281 - What's that mean? - I don't have enough authority. 456 00:30:53,355 --> 00:30:54,881 Are there fingerprints on record? 457 00:30:54,957 --> 00:30:57,050 There are, but I can't find out whose. 458 00:30:57,125 --> 00:31:00,289 They could belong to a special informant, Judge, 459 00:31:00,362 --> 00:31:02,229 or a member of the security services. 460 00:31:02,298 --> 00:31:03,356 Ah. 461 00:31:03,898 --> 00:31:05,834 Who would have the authority to tell me? 462 00:31:05,901 --> 00:31:07,664 I don't know, Judge. 463 00:31:07,903 --> 00:31:10,371 Perhaps my boss, Superintendent Gaghan. 464 00:31:10,438 --> 00:31:11,839 Okay. Bring him here. 465 00:31:12,108 --> 00:31:14,167 Her. She's a her. 466 00:31:20,949 --> 00:31:22,418 The court, Coop. 467 00:31:29,225 --> 00:31:31,854 We wouldn't presume to withhold information from you, Sir John. 468 00:31:31,927 --> 00:31:33,767 Then whose prints were on the cigarette packet? 469 00:31:33,796 --> 00:31:35,788 The unidentified prints we assumed were yours. 470 00:31:35,865 --> 00:31:37,209 The smudged prints we couldn't identify. 471 00:31:37,233 --> 00:31:39,566 Then whose record was denied to PC Ashurst? 472 00:31:39,635 --> 00:31:41,712 They didn't relate to those on the cigarette packet, sir. 473 00:31:41,736 --> 00:31:43,865 How do you know if you didn't identify them? 474 00:31:43,939 --> 00:31:45,874 It was a mistake, Sir John. 475 00:31:47,042 --> 00:31:50,979 Do you know what the penalties are for lying to a High Court Judge? 476 00:31:51,346 --> 00:31:53,145 No one's lying to you, sir. 477 00:31:53,215 --> 00:31:55,080 I asked if you knew what the penalties were. 478 00:31:55,150 --> 00:31:56,244 Yes, sir. 479 00:31:57,486 --> 00:32:00,365 If I find out that I'm being deceived, then that person will go to prison. 480 00:32:00,389 --> 00:32:02,915 And I don't care if it's the Commissioner of Police himself. 481 00:32:02,992 --> 00:32:05,426 - Do I make myself clear? - Yes, Sir John. 482 00:32:05,493 --> 00:32:09,693 Yes. Good. Well, I want that cigarette packet returned to my office. 483 00:32:20,109 --> 00:32:22,077 He wants the cigarette packet back. 484 00:32:56,478 --> 00:32:58,675 You didn't go up in the world. 485 00:32:58,948 --> 00:33:01,508 The quality of my client has gone up. 486 00:33:03,284 --> 00:33:04,514 How so? 487 00:33:04,587 --> 00:33:07,785 They're all a lot more deserving than rapists and embezzlers. 488 00:33:09,792 --> 00:33:12,819 You gave up the chance of being a judge for this? 489 00:33:12,895 --> 00:33:15,387 - Yeah, I've no regrets. - Good. 490 00:33:16,731 --> 00:33:18,758 We're planning on moving out of here. 491 00:33:18,834 --> 00:33:20,769 Where to? A sub-basement? 492 00:33:21,604 --> 00:33:23,204 We're going to make our chambers virtual. 493 00:33:23,239 --> 00:33:25,016 That way we can spend more money on the client. 494 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,600 Where are you going to meet them, in the public library? 495 00:33:27,676 --> 00:33:30,236 Most of my clients tend to be in custody. 496 00:33:30,312 --> 00:33:31,746 Lizzy Meam isn't. 497 00:33:31,814 --> 00:33:34,909 If you win that one, you'll have legions beating a path to your door. 498 00:33:34,984 --> 00:33:36,418 No point being virtual then. 499 00:33:36,485 --> 00:33:38,454 Yeah. Let's get to the court first. 500 00:33:39,889 --> 00:33:43,951 Have you got a very good expert witness? Because you're going to need one. 501 00:33:44,026 --> 00:33:45,324 Dr Peter Hiaasen. 502 00:33:45,394 --> 00:33:47,658 He's a leading gastroenterologist in Miami. 503 00:33:47,729 --> 00:33:50,859 I thought these soldiers' problems were mostly neurological? 504 00:33:50,933 --> 00:33:52,834 His thesis is they begin in the stomach. 505 00:33:52,902 --> 00:33:57,135 - Can you afford to bring him over? - He's here already doing research. 506 00:33:58,908 --> 00:34:02,208 Is there a possibility that you might be followed? 507 00:34:02,278 --> 00:34:04,440 - What, stalked? - I'm serious. 508 00:34:05,714 --> 00:34:07,182 Why, what's happened? 509 00:34:09,552 --> 00:34:12,351 I want to move quickly. Can you put your people on notice? 510 00:34:12,421 --> 00:34:13,889 Coop's already notified us. 511 00:34:16,358 --> 00:34:18,793 John, we really do have to keep our distance. 512 00:34:19,595 --> 00:34:20,824 It's a bit late for that! 513 00:34:20,896 --> 00:34:23,092 Yeah. I'm on my way to meet Charlie. 514 00:34:26,769 --> 00:34:28,169 I miss Jo. 515 00:34:28,938 --> 00:34:31,373 Everything in chambers seems somehow different now. 516 00:34:31,807 --> 00:34:32,900 How? 517 00:34:32,975 --> 00:34:35,809 I don't know. Everything's about the bottom line. 518 00:34:35,878 --> 00:34:38,938 - You're not going to join her? - I don't have any work. 519 00:34:39,014 --> 00:34:41,210 Why? You're a good advocate. 520 00:34:41,283 --> 00:34:43,479 There are a lot of good advocates, Dad. 521 00:34:43,552 --> 00:34:44,629 In case you hadn't noticed, 522 00:34:44,653 --> 00:34:47,953 the Legal Services Commission are cutting back on criminal defence. 523 00:34:48,023 --> 00:34:50,993 The Government doesn't value an independent bar. 524 00:34:51,260 --> 00:34:55,322 They want a public defender system run along the lines of the CPS. 525 00:34:55,898 --> 00:34:57,628 I might have to sign up. 526 00:34:58,968 --> 00:35:01,164 Are you going to do this work for me? 527 00:35:01,403 --> 00:35:04,771 A medical researcher would do the job faster and better. 528 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,901 Your legal mind will appreciate what's admissible. 529 00:35:07,977 --> 00:35:10,776 - How urgent is it? - All I need is a court. 530 00:35:11,180 --> 00:35:12,739 Well, you'd better feed me first. 531 00:35:12,815 --> 00:35:15,046 Why else would I come all this way? 532 00:35:15,784 --> 00:35:17,275 I'm hungry. 533 00:35:26,028 --> 00:35:29,157 Yep, yep. 534 00:35:29,231 --> 00:35:32,963 Yes, you can leave that with me. Okay. Right, thank you. Bye. 535 00:35:34,203 --> 00:35:37,105 You were a lot more polite in Sussex, Mr Harrison. 536 00:35:37,172 --> 00:35:38,800 I do apologise, Sir John. 537 00:35:38,874 --> 00:35:40,468 This court can't be used, sir. 538 00:35:40,542 --> 00:35:43,535 - Where was the asbestos found? - In the roof, Sir John. 539 00:35:43,612 --> 00:35:44,612 When was it found? 540 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,691 Quite recently, sir, when a leak was being repaired. 541 00:35:46,715 --> 00:35:48,460 Well, it's been there for God knows how long. 542 00:35:48,484 --> 00:35:50,419 Another day won't make any difference. 543 00:35:50,486 --> 00:35:53,581 I'm afraid Health & Safety won't permit that, Sir John. 544 00:35:54,024 --> 00:35:55,355 We'll use Court Number 5, Coop. 545 00:35:55,424 --> 00:35:57,417 - Yes, Judge. - Not free, Sir John. 546 00:35:57,494 --> 00:36:00,395 Mr Justice Niven is hearing an appeal there. 547 00:36:00,562 --> 00:36:02,963 - Since when? - It started this morning. 548 00:36:04,733 --> 00:36:06,668 Find me another court. 549 00:36:10,639 --> 00:36:14,441 Is this what you did for promotion, Brian? What's going on? 550 00:36:14,511 --> 00:36:16,069 Nothing, Rita. 551 00:36:16,612 --> 00:36:21,415 Rita, could you get him to hear the internet copyright case? 552 00:36:24,854 --> 00:36:29,291 Judge, there is a court free for the internet copyright case. 553 00:36:29,358 --> 00:36:30,502 Now, you could take that case... 554 00:36:30,526 --> 00:36:32,757 Two or more years of hell? No, thank you. 555 00:36:32,828 --> 00:36:37,289 Yes, but you could open, order an adjournment for a technical reason, 556 00:36:37,366 --> 00:36:38,910 and have the funding review on standby. 557 00:36:38,934 --> 00:36:41,700 And afterwards, I'd still have the mind-numbing internet case. 558 00:36:41,771 --> 00:36:44,069 I'm sure you could get out of it, Judge. 559 00:36:44,139 --> 00:36:46,540 - Thanks, Coop. - Thank Mr Harrison. 560 00:37:28,250 --> 00:37:30,151 Yes, Dr Mary Moon, please. 561 00:37:30,786 --> 00:37:32,755 Do you have an address? 562 00:37:33,356 --> 00:37:37,053 Try Chiddingley, East Sussex. Sorry, I don't have a street. 563 00:37:38,127 --> 00:37:40,961 Sorry, the only one listed is ex-directory. 564 00:37:41,497 --> 00:37:42,989 Okay. Thanks. 565 00:37:49,404 --> 00:37:53,171 Charlie. 566 00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:55,138 Oh, Dad. 567 00:37:55,744 --> 00:37:59,272 Well, you could at least try and sound a little less disappointed. 568 00:37:59,348 --> 00:38:01,647 I thought it was Tom Cruise returning my call. 569 00:38:01,717 --> 00:38:02,844 Tom who? 570 00:38:02,918 --> 00:38:05,820 - Dad, he's a Hollywood movie star. - Charlie! 571 00:38:06,822 --> 00:38:10,316 Look, I'm on all these support sites for soldiers damaged by vaccinations. 572 00:38:10,393 --> 00:38:11,917 It's really interesting stuff. 573 00:38:11,994 --> 00:38:14,896 Yeah. I read some of them. A bit loony. 574 00:38:14,963 --> 00:38:17,934 - Do you know who Dr Mary Moon is? - Should I? 575 00:38:18,767 --> 00:38:21,896 She and Dr Rupert Dayvis caused a big scandal last year 576 00:38:21,970 --> 00:38:25,168 when they went on record saying the cocktail of drugs soldiers are given 577 00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:28,211 is causing all their mental and emotional problems. 578 00:38:28,278 --> 00:38:32,271 Dr Dayvis killed himself by tying a rope around a tree and then his neck 579 00:38:32,347 --> 00:38:34,009 and then driving away in his car. 580 00:38:34,082 --> 00:38:38,248 Oh, yes. Didn't she accuse the pharmaceutical companies of killing him? 581 00:38:39,421 --> 00:38:41,662 Along with all the others with vested interests. 582 00:38:41,891 --> 00:38:45,520 The internet sites insist that he was killed because of what they discovered. 583 00:38:45,594 --> 00:38:48,588 - So why wasn't Dr Moon killed as well? - Don't know. 584 00:38:48,665 --> 00:38:50,074 I'll ask her if I can locate her. 585 00:38:50,098 --> 00:38:52,499 Could Iget her details through the court people? 586 00:38:52,568 --> 00:38:55,403 Well, you could ask Coop to try, but don't tell me about it. 587 00:38:55,904 --> 00:38:59,500 Charlie, be careful around this, won't you? 588 00:38:59,741 --> 00:39:00,765 Dad! 589 00:39:00,843 --> 00:39:04,804 Well, there's a lot at stake for these companies. The Government as well. 590 00:39:04,881 --> 00:39:06,473 Isn't that being a bit paranoid? 591 00:39:06,548 --> 00:39:08,882 Is that why I can't find another judge to sit with me? 592 00:39:08,952 --> 00:39:10,783 Have you asked Granddad? 593 00:39:10,853 --> 00:39:12,913 I don't think that's very likely. 594 00:39:13,622 --> 00:39:17,218 Hey. In the words of the song, "The man in the gabardine mac is a spy." 595 00:39:17,292 --> 00:39:19,592 I don't get paid to listen to that. That is off! 596 00:39:19,662 --> 00:39:22,689 It's the man in the gabardine suit that's the spy. 597 00:39:30,772 --> 00:39:35,905 Here we are. The summons office got her details from the police. 598 00:39:37,346 --> 00:39:39,692 I'll remember that when I'm trying to locate a witness. 599 00:39:39,716 --> 00:39:43,743 Charlie, if your dad ever gets another judge to hear this with him, 600 00:39:43,819 --> 00:39:45,652 you didn'tget that from me, okay? 601 00:39:47,956 --> 00:39:51,188 With a bit more notice, my darling, I would have offered you coffee. 602 00:39:51,260 --> 00:39:52,319 Hello, Philip. 603 00:39:52,394 --> 00:39:54,124 But you see, I'm sitting. 604 00:39:54,196 --> 00:39:56,894 Why can't you help Dad with this case? 605 00:39:56,966 --> 00:39:58,763 Oh, no, no, no, no, no. 606 00:39:58,834 --> 00:40:04,535 I've known Michael Niven for... No, no, no. For a very long time. 607 00:40:05,207 --> 00:40:07,177 He's a decent fellow. 608 00:40:08,076 --> 00:40:12,104 But what if he's an unsuitable judge for reasons of apparent bias? 609 00:40:12,180 --> 00:40:15,514 Like in Taylor and Laurence, 2003? 610 00:40:18,353 --> 00:40:20,914 That's rather good, clever girl. 611 00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:22,189 Yes. 612 00:40:57,961 --> 00:40:59,485 Lizzy, is this a good idea? 613 00:41:15,511 --> 00:41:16,978 All rise. 614 00:41:28,891 --> 00:41:31,986 This threatens to be a very long-running case. 615 00:41:32,061 --> 00:41:36,691 Mr McCartney is a litigant in person and may not be familiar with procedure. 616 00:41:36,765 --> 00:41:39,326 I have done a lot of research on the internet, my lord. 617 00:41:39,402 --> 00:41:41,803 Yes. I'm sure you have, Mr McCartney. 618 00:41:42,171 --> 00:41:47,507 There are 87,000 pages on the internet relating to this case. 619 00:41:48,478 --> 00:41:50,537 Now, I've calculated 620 00:41:50,612 --> 00:41:53,742 that if I read a page a minute for eight hours a day, every day, 621 00:41:53,815 --> 00:41:56,445 I'd still need over half a year. 622 00:41:56,519 --> 00:41:57,577 That isn't to say 623 00:41:57,652 --> 00:42:02,057 that we won't deal diligently with the realities of this case. 624 00:42:03,326 --> 00:42:07,922 Ideas that Mr McCartney posted on the internet were purportedly 625 00:42:07,996 --> 00:42:12,594 exploited for commercial gain by Internet Raiders Incorporated. 626 00:42:13,302 --> 00:42:15,270 So, two questions arise. 627 00:42:15,337 --> 00:42:21,107 Did Mr McCartney's ideas constitute something that could be legally owned 628 00:42:21,443 --> 00:42:23,606 and with copyright vested in him? 629 00:42:23,679 --> 00:42:27,514 And if so, did Internet Raiders Incorporated 630 00:42:27,583 --> 00:42:31,315 wrongly appropriate those ideas for commercial gain? 631 00:42:31,387 --> 00:42:35,289 - McCARTNEY: They did, sir. - That's what we're here to discover. 632 00:42:37,026 --> 00:42:38,119 Mr Norwalk? 633 00:42:38,194 --> 00:42:43,030 Might I enquire about the application we made under rule 34.13 634 00:42:43,099 --> 00:42:45,363 for the court to issue a letter of request 635 00:42:45,434 --> 00:42:47,768 for an absent witness deposition? 636 00:42:47,837 --> 00:42:51,535 The request was made to the Supreme Court in Buenos Aires. 637 00:42:52,107 --> 00:42:55,805 Our witness, Mr Kray, is critical to the structure of our case. 638 00:42:55,877 --> 00:42:57,847 The court in Argentina has not managed to 639 00:42:57,914 --> 00:43:00,884 track your intended deponent, Mr Norwalk. 640 00:43:01,084 --> 00:43:02,143 Ah. 641 00:43:03,453 --> 00:43:07,015 Mr McCartney, do you intend to make an opening address to the court? 642 00:43:07,090 --> 00:43:09,251 I believe that's allowed, sir. 643 00:43:09,324 --> 00:43:12,658 Yes, it is. I would just ask you to keep it short. 644 00:43:52,301 --> 00:43:53,564 Dr Moon? 645 00:43:54,737 --> 00:43:58,105 - Do I know you? - No. Well, I'm doing some research. 646 00:43:58,174 --> 00:44:01,303 - Mr Justice Deed is hearing a case... - I can't help you. I'm sorry. 647 00:44:01,377 --> 00:44:03,312 Well, you and Dr Dayvis discovered a connection 648 00:44:03,379 --> 00:44:06,213 between the drugs and neurological damage to the soldiers, right? 649 00:44:06,282 --> 00:44:08,751 There is no proof the drugs damaged them. 650 00:44:08,818 --> 00:44:10,129 You shouldn't be looking at this again. 651 00:44:10,153 --> 00:44:12,247 That wasn't Dr Dayvis's view. 652 00:44:12,455 --> 00:44:15,357 - What is it you want? - Access to his papers. 653 00:44:16,526 --> 00:44:18,427 I can't talk. Go away. 654 00:44:19,295 --> 00:44:22,094 Well, if you change your mind, here's my number. 655 00:44:22,732 --> 00:44:25,463 The judge's number is on the back. He will take this to court. 656 00:44:25,535 --> 00:44:27,436 He is wasting his time. 657 00:44:27,869 --> 00:44:29,862 Are you saying someone's threatened her? 658 00:44:29,939 --> 00:44:32,636 Well, their discoveries did cause a lot of fuss in medical circles. 659 00:44:32,708 --> 00:44:35,803 If they're right, the soldiers' cases would be watertight. 660 00:44:36,812 --> 00:44:39,782 The internet sites claim Dr Dayvis held the key. 661 00:44:39,849 --> 00:44:44,310 He and Dr Moon identified the specific damage as neural deficit. 662 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:50,191 Some sites scrupulously tracked the rise in neural deficit 663 00:44:50,259 --> 00:44:53,957 and bowel disorders in soldiers following their revelations. 664 00:44:54,030 --> 00:44:55,862 What is neural deficit? 665 00:44:56,098 --> 00:45:00,832 Well, it's the... It's the permanent breaks in neural pathways. 666 00:45:00,903 --> 00:45:03,566 They carry information to all parts of the body. 667 00:45:03,639 --> 00:45:07,440 Any interruption stops proper functioning of all organisms. 668 00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:11,413 What's not known is why some parts are affected and others not. 669 00:45:12,414 --> 00:45:16,682 Inflammation of spinal nerve cells causes terrible pain. 670 00:45:16,752 --> 00:45:18,880 Sufferers scream, bang their heads. 671 00:45:18,955 --> 00:45:21,789 On their best days, they're just depressed. 672 00:45:22,325 --> 00:45:25,818 Other vaccinated soldiers have killed themselves too, Dad. 673 00:45:25,895 --> 00:45:28,763 And is there a background prevalence to these health problems? 674 00:45:28,831 --> 00:45:29,831 There's bound to be, 675 00:45:29,899 --> 00:45:32,892 but nothing's shown up prior to the soldiers getting the vaccinations, 676 00:45:32,968 --> 00:45:36,167 which were arguably experimental. Why is that? 677 00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,334 You're thinking like counsel for the claimant, Charlie. 678 00:45:40,776 --> 00:45:42,210 Look, Dad, you don't need to show 679 00:45:42,278 --> 00:45:43,722 that these drugs are causing the problem, 680 00:45:43,746 --> 00:45:46,341 just that there is a significant possibility. 681 00:45:46,681 --> 00:45:50,983 Well, I'm supposed to be concerned with the procedure in the Niven hearing. 682 00:45:51,053 --> 00:45:54,148 The merits and whether Dr Moon is too scared to help 683 00:45:54,223 --> 00:45:56,192 should be for another day. 684 00:45:56,459 --> 00:46:00,829 Dad, the merits were strong until Caversham got at all the experts. 685 00:46:00,896 --> 00:46:03,593 If you're looking for bias, how bent is all this? 686 00:46:03,666 --> 00:46:06,898 And they would say "irrational conspiracy theory". 687 00:46:08,170 --> 00:46:10,196 No, you keep looking, Charlie. 688 00:46:10,406 --> 00:46:13,808 McCARTNEY: The idea behind the World Wide Web, 689 00:46:13,876 --> 00:46:17,779 perhaps the most consequential known to mankind, 690 00:46:17,847 --> 00:46:21,011 was the instant dissemination of information 691 00:46:21,083 --> 00:46:25,680 in order to help free people of all colours and creeds, 692 00:46:25,755 --> 00:46:28,657 not the theft of ideas. 693 00:46:28,724 --> 00:46:30,955 Quite the opposite, in fact. 694 00:46:31,327 --> 00:46:35,025 Ideas are currency in this technology, 695 00:46:35,164 --> 00:46:39,431 and the fact that they can go around the world and back in an instant 696 00:46:39,502 --> 00:46:42,165 makes them more liable to theft. 697 00:46:45,474 --> 00:46:46,669 Excuse me. 698 00:46:47,076 --> 00:46:53,710 Did Dr Alexander Graham Bell have the idea for the phone first, or Marconi? 699 00:46:54,483 --> 00:46:59,717 It's unlikely that they both had the same idea at exactly the same time. 700 00:46:59,789 --> 00:47:03,123 Things simply moved more slowly in those days 701 00:47:03,192 --> 00:47:08,392 and it only looked like they had the idea at the exact same time. 702 00:47:09,732 --> 00:47:14,136 Now, the expressed intention of the inventor of the World Wide Web, 703 00:47:14,203 --> 00:47:19,040 Sir Tim Berners-Lee, was to free up ideas and people. 704 00:47:19,442 --> 00:47:22,571 He applied for no royalties or patents. 705 00:47:23,379 --> 00:47:26,907 Let me take you back to 1969 in America... 706 00:47:26,982 --> 00:47:30,714 Mr McCartney, is it your intention to set the record 707 00:47:30,786 --> 00:47:33,620 for the longest opening in a civil action? 708 00:47:33,689 --> 00:47:36,591 The record so far is 119 days. 709 00:47:37,993 --> 00:47:42,363 I'm just trying to set out the facts and context as clearly as I can. 710 00:47:42,899 --> 00:47:44,958 Yes, well, sometimes less is more. 711 00:47:45,034 --> 00:47:48,129 If we'd had a jury, you'd have lost them by now. 712 00:47:48,904 --> 00:47:50,167 Do you want me to stop? 713 00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,108 Not if you think I don't have the point. 714 00:47:53,176 --> 00:47:56,635 Now, what I'm going to do is adjourn now. 715 00:47:57,813 --> 00:48:01,511 Think overnight about how much more you want me to know. 716 00:48:03,153 --> 00:48:04,484 All rise. 717 00:48:18,134 --> 00:48:20,536 Coop tells me you've got a problem with your client. 718 00:48:20,604 --> 00:48:23,004 - Yeah, she's cracking up. - Is she ready to go? 719 00:48:23,072 --> 00:48:25,632 Well, if you've got another judge. 720 00:48:25,708 --> 00:48:27,541 We'll get there. 721 00:48:27,610 --> 00:48:29,977 John, is this going to happen? 722 00:48:30,447 --> 00:48:33,712 Coop, warn the other parties in the Funding Review to stand by, please. 723 00:48:33,784 --> 00:48:36,378 Will I tell the Internet Raiders to stand down? 724 00:48:36,452 --> 00:48:38,614 If we do, we'll alert the world and his uncle. 725 00:49:43,385 --> 00:49:45,946 Charlie ought to move from this ghastly area. 726 00:49:46,156 --> 00:49:47,833 There's nothing wrong with the area, George. 727 00:49:47,857 --> 00:49:49,656 Then why was she attacked? 728 00:49:55,532 --> 00:49:57,295 Oh, Charlie! 729 00:49:58,601 --> 00:50:00,467 What happened? 730 00:50:00,536 --> 00:50:01,799 Were you hurt, darling? 731 00:50:02,271 --> 00:50:05,435 I don't know what's more shocking, this or seeing my parents together. 732 00:50:05,508 --> 00:50:07,452 It looks like an opportunistic burglary, Sir John. 733 00:50:07,476 --> 00:50:09,797 Looks more like someone's got a grudge against my daughter. 734 00:50:09,846 --> 00:50:12,440 It was probably Tom Cruise, because I stood him up. 735 00:50:12,515 --> 00:50:15,917 - Is that a boyfriend, miss? - I think it was a joke. 736 00:50:15,986 --> 00:50:17,544 I certainly hope so. 737 00:50:17,620 --> 00:50:19,817 Oh, yeah, Tom Cruise. 738 00:50:20,689 --> 00:50:24,626 - Did they get anything? - Hard to say. Not my TV or my iPod. 739 00:50:24,693 --> 00:50:25,956 They must have missed them. 740 00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:29,463 They took my laptop with all the research. 741 00:50:29,866 --> 00:50:33,098 - Did you see them, Chas? - It was only a blur, I'm afraid. 742 00:50:33,303 --> 00:50:35,601 It's probably as well, darling. 743 00:50:36,005 --> 00:50:38,304 Well, you can't stay here. Come home with me. 744 00:50:38,374 --> 00:50:41,708 Yeah, the Home Secretary can provide round-the-clock protection. 745 00:50:41,777 --> 00:50:43,838 - His name is Neil. - Yeah, I know his name. 746 00:50:43,914 --> 00:50:47,442 Would you be able to come to the station sometime and sign a statement, Charlie? 747 00:50:47,517 --> 00:50:50,544 No, no, no. Get the CID onto this. Check for fingerprints. 748 00:50:50,620 --> 00:50:52,315 It's just a burglary. 749 00:50:53,690 --> 00:50:55,954 Yes, Sir John. Of course. 750 00:50:56,358 --> 00:50:58,987 Why don't you call Supt Gaghan at Scotland Yard? 751 00:50:59,061 --> 00:51:00,690 I'm sure she's bound to help. 752 00:51:03,967 --> 00:51:05,730 Who's Supt Gaghan, Dad? 753 00:51:05,801 --> 00:51:08,203 Someone who's as useless as the Home Secretary. 754 00:51:08,371 --> 00:51:10,236 - Don't listen to him. - Sir John, any comment? 755 00:51:10,339 --> 00:51:11,967 It's a minor break-in. 756 00:51:12,041 --> 00:51:14,053 Do you think law and order is getting out of control? 757 00:51:14,077 --> 00:51:16,102 If that's the line you're running. 758 00:51:16,178 --> 00:51:18,190 Well, there have been more and more drug-related robberies. 759 00:51:18,214 --> 00:51:20,114 Best talk to the Home Secretary about that. 760 00:51:20,182 --> 00:51:22,708 - What's going on, Dad? - I don't know, Chas. 761 00:51:22,785 --> 00:51:24,516 Are Caversham coming after us? 762 00:51:24,588 --> 00:51:26,317 They're the ones with the most to lose. 763 00:51:26,388 --> 00:51:27,900 It could have been anyone who robbed her. 764 00:51:27,924 --> 00:51:29,482 Any two. There were two of them. 765 00:51:29,558 --> 00:51:31,804 They didn't take her iPod, they didn't even take her money. 766 00:51:31,828 --> 00:51:35,458 - They could've just missed them. - Burglars don't miss a sixpence. 767 00:51:35,532 --> 00:51:37,124 What was in your laptop? 768 00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:38,828 The usual stuff. 769 00:51:38,902 --> 00:51:40,369 Notes on neural deficit, 770 00:51:40,436 --> 00:51:43,804 the papers from the internet speculating about the cause. 771 00:51:43,872 --> 00:51:46,364 There's nothing that can't be got with hours of research. 772 00:51:46,442 --> 00:51:48,241 And what about your bag? 773 00:51:48,311 --> 00:51:51,770 There's no startling new evidence. It's all available. 774 00:51:52,482 --> 00:51:55,509 - Cumulatively, it amounts to what? - Well, that depends. 775 00:51:55,585 --> 00:51:57,815 How long the Government and the pharmaceutical companies 776 00:51:57,886 --> 00:51:59,651 keep on saying the rise in neural deficit 777 00:51:59,723 --> 00:52:02,056 in these soldiers is coincidental. 778 00:52:02,125 --> 00:52:04,923 Neil says it's due to better reporting by GPs. 779 00:52:04,995 --> 00:52:06,758 He speaks on health as well now, does he? 780 00:52:06,829 --> 00:52:09,356 The families of those damaged soldiers aren't buying that, Mum. 781 00:52:09,432 --> 00:52:11,764 Time you got a proper job, Chas. 782 00:52:12,435 --> 00:52:14,266 I'll borrow a laptop. 783 00:52:14,903 --> 00:52:17,338 I'll do the work in half the time. 784 00:52:21,043 --> 00:52:24,411 Information freely available on the internet 785 00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:28,042 is not information free to commercial enterprise. 786 00:52:29,452 --> 00:52:34,185 Internet Raiders stole not one of my published ideas, but 27. 787 00:52:34,923 --> 00:52:38,951 Three of these ideas, including my online data recovery software, 788 00:52:39,028 --> 00:52:43,831 have made them a great deal of money, over $200 million. 789 00:52:44,566 --> 00:52:49,665 With a modest 10% royalty, they would owe me $20 million. 790 00:52:50,306 --> 00:52:53,174 I do intend to recover what is rightfully mine 791 00:52:53,243 --> 00:52:57,772 and to this end, I will be calling 127 witnesses... 792 00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,073 Yes, I saw your list, Mr McCartney. 793 00:53:00,150 --> 00:53:03,882 It presages an even longer event than the McLibel trial. 794 00:53:04,854 --> 00:53:09,382 The legal costs alone to the claimants in that case were over £10,000,000. 795 00:53:09,458 --> 00:53:13,054 Internet Raiders Incorporated must be quaking at the prospect. 796 00:53:13,128 --> 00:53:15,529 Internet Raiders are a cash-rich company 797 00:53:15,597 --> 00:53:18,999 which is being financially prejudiced by this action. 798 00:53:19,868 --> 00:53:24,466 We would like to either see this spurious claim struck out 799 00:53:24,541 --> 00:53:29,001 or at least set a reasonable time-frame of, say, one week? 800 00:53:30,012 --> 00:53:31,413 I doubt if Mr McCartney 801 00:53:31,481 --> 00:53:34,610 could read the qualifications of his witnesses in that time. 802 00:53:34,684 --> 00:53:37,176 Well, then we respectfully request Your Lordship utilises 803 00:53:37,253 --> 00:53:40,951 provision of the Civil Procedure, Rule 35.1, 804 00:53:41,024 --> 00:53:44,961 and limits experts to... one per side. 805 00:53:45,228 --> 00:53:49,562 Mr McCartney has listed in detail what ground his experts will cover. 806 00:53:49,631 --> 00:53:52,363 No, what I am going to do now is adjourn 807 00:53:52,435 --> 00:53:54,927 so that each of the parties can speak to the other. 808 00:53:55,004 --> 00:53:57,803 Who knows, you might even reach a settlement? Talk. 809 00:53:57,874 --> 00:53:59,638 I don't mind if it takes a week. 810 00:54:00,609 --> 00:54:01,873 All rise. 811 00:54:08,118 --> 00:54:10,484 I feel like I've escaped prison. 812 00:54:10,853 --> 00:54:13,550 Mr McCartney wants his day in court, Judge. 813 00:54:13,622 --> 00:54:15,489 He's had four already! 814 00:54:16,226 --> 00:54:18,821 Sir Monty Everard sends his regrets. 815 00:54:18,928 --> 00:54:21,454 He's another who can't sit with you. 816 00:54:21,898 --> 00:54:24,891 Then I'll formally open proceedings on my own. 817 00:54:25,268 --> 00:54:26,793 Warn the other parties. 818 00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:29,203 Do you think you should, Judge? 819 00:54:32,909 --> 00:54:35,105 I'm not sure we can stop Deed. 820 00:54:35,178 --> 00:54:37,204 It's not lawful, him sitting alone, is it? 821 00:54:37,347 --> 00:54:38,576 Probably not. 822 00:54:38,882 --> 00:54:41,544 Then if he does, it'll be struck down. 823 00:54:41,751 --> 00:54:44,481 Nothing encourages me to think I'd win. 824 00:54:44,553 --> 00:54:47,524 I don't want to spend a night in jail for contempt. 825 00:54:51,460 --> 00:54:55,329 Is it contempt if more asbestos were found? 826 00:54:57,267 --> 00:55:00,294 - More asbestos? - That's what Brian Harrison told me. 827 00:55:00,737 --> 00:55:02,763 I want to see for myself. 828 00:55:09,479 --> 00:55:12,346 This court was perfectly usable two hours ago, Mr Harrison. 829 00:55:12,415 --> 00:55:14,475 I know, Sir John. Asbestos. 830 00:55:14,551 --> 00:55:16,247 - Show it to me. - I daren't, Sir John. 831 00:55:16,319 --> 00:55:18,947 What, like some wild dangerous beast, is it, ready to spring out? 832 00:55:19,021 --> 00:55:20,046 Sir John? 833 00:55:20,123 --> 00:55:21,467 If there was so much asbestos in the building, 834 00:55:21,491 --> 00:55:24,188 half Their Lordships would be down with mesothelioma. 835 00:55:24,260 --> 00:55:26,752 I can't breach Health & Safety regulations. 836 00:55:26,830 --> 00:55:29,040 Find me an alternative court or we'll hear it in the corridor. 837 00:55:29,064 --> 00:55:30,124 There isn't a court! 838 00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,034 You've got 30 minutes or we'll hear it in the corridor. 839 00:55:36,272 --> 00:55:38,605 You ought to be ashamed of yourself, Brian. 840 00:55:38,675 --> 00:55:40,644 I'm only following orders, Rita. 841 00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:42,940 That's even more shameful. 842 00:55:45,048 --> 00:55:48,610 My Lord, I urge you not to hear this case in the corridor. 843 00:55:48,685 --> 00:55:52,815 The court is anywhere a High Court Judge decides to preside over a lawful trial. 844 00:55:52,888 --> 00:55:56,256 A judge sitting alone in the Divisional Court of the High Court 845 00:55:56,325 --> 00:55:57,851 is not lawful, my lord. 846 00:55:57,927 --> 00:56:01,694 Yes, I am aware of Section 66 of the Supreme Court Act, Ian. 847 00:56:02,031 --> 00:56:05,798 My lord, if you were to hear this case in the corridor, 848 00:56:05,869 --> 00:56:09,896 it would look like transitional justice in an emerging democracy. 849 00:56:15,178 --> 00:56:16,736 Yes. You're right. 850 00:56:16,812 --> 00:56:19,044 It should be heard in a court. 851 00:56:22,919 --> 00:56:25,252 And then this point is further developed 852 00:56:25,321 --> 00:56:29,417 in the respondent's skeleton argument, my lord, at paragraph nine. 853 00:56:32,195 --> 00:56:35,097 Your Lordship will see that the case cited there 854 00:56:35,164 --> 00:56:36,909 is Charles and the Queen, the Privy Council... 855 00:56:36,933 --> 00:56:41,496 Sir Joseph, Mr Justice Deed would like to see you in his chambers urgently. 856 00:56:42,438 --> 00:56:47,399 Yes, well, this is, uh... this is all very interesting, 857 00:56:47,477 --> 00:56:52,040 but I'll need to study these papers in detail. 858 00:56:52,849 --> 00:56:54,340 All rise. 859 00:56:56,119 --> 00:56:58,452 Does this case have anything to do with Charlie's mugging? 860 00:56:58,521 --> 00:57:00,217 Yes, I believe so. 861 00:57:00,523 --> 00:57:03,459 Well, why isn't Haughton doing something? 862 00:57:03,526 --> 00:57:08,226 The Home Secretary's too busy protecting the interests of the drug companies. 863 00:57:11,533 --> 00:57:14,094 Joe, will you sit with me? 864 00:57:17,974 --> 00:57:21,934 You can use my court, but I don't think I can have anything to do with it. 865 00:57:22,011 --> 00:57:24,776 You cannot lawfully sit on your own. 866 00:57:25,915 --> 00:57:29,750 It undermines the rule of law and brings the bench into disrepute. 867 00:57:30,286 --> 00:57:34,747 Regardless, I'm going to take a bold step for justice and sit alone. 868 00:57:34,824 --> 00:57:38,317 If you won't join me, any ruling I make will be invalid 869 00:57:38,394 --> 00:57:40,590 and I shall have been defeated. 870 00:57:40,797 --> 00:57:43,596 - But then so too will justice. - John! 871 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,469 John, don't be such a bloody fool! 72340

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