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A bit more wrinkly than I thought. 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Until I have to. 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,000 It's not quite as bad as I thought it was going to be. 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,000 Like, maybe like a slug. 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,000 Ugh. 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:22,000 I'm Laura Doddsworth and I'm an artist, working on a project about our most intimate body part. 7 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:27,000 In the past, I've attracted controversy with my work by photographing and writing a book. 8 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:33,000 I've attracted controversy with my work by photographing and writing about penises and breasts. 9 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,000 Now I'm ready for the last taboo. 10 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:40,000 I'm asking a hundred women to get naked and talk about their vaginas. 11 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,000 And I'm going to take part two. 12 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:47,000 I'm photographing their vulvas. That's the part on the outside. 13 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:52,000 And interviewing them about how their vaginas have shaped their lives. 14 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:56,000 It's a part of ourselves that we don't talk about, understand or even look at. 15 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:01,000 It's time to see what's really down there and how it defines us. 16 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:06,000 Weird garden. Fanny. I say pissy. What's that? Pussy. I like the word. 17 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,000 Vagina. Vulva. Vulva. 18 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,000 Private. Front bottom and possibly fanny. Fanny. 19 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,000 Foo-foos, lalas and minis and things. Front door of happiness. 20 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:18,000 Rose cupcake. Cunt. Cunt. I call it my beautiful cunt. 21 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:36,000 The vagina is such a magnificent thing. 22 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:44,000 It does so many amazing things, including like giving birth to like whole new people. 23 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:48,000 Growing up, I never looked at my vulva because there was no need to. 24 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:57,000 I just washed it. When I did eventually look at it, I really felt like a huge weight had been lifted from me. 25 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:04,000 There's still a lot of shame around the vagina. I think it starts in school. 26 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:11,000 Boys are taught about wet dreams and erections and the female equivalent is about periods. 27 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:17,000 We do bleed as well, but we also have the equivalent of an erection and a wet dream. 28 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:24,000 The penis is this really funny appendage at one end and very powerful and like dominating on the other end. 29 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:30,000 But nobody wants to think about a vulva. No one wants to think about a vagina. Just like, ugh, gross. 30 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,000 When you tell me you're ready, I'll take the photograph. 31 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,000 Yes, ready. Ready? OK. 32 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:45,000 As well as taking photos, I'm interviewing women about every aspect of their vaginas, from pleasure to pain. 33 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:57,000 That's all right. It's different seeing it like that, but it's fine. 34 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,000 It's mine. It's fine. 35 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,000 I wear my pubic hair, oh, naturally. It's neat and tidy. I keep it reasonably short. 36 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,000 I'm sporting a full-on afro right now. Bold. 37 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,000 If we get the back in the side shave, you know, like level three trim. 38 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,000 I've always liked pubic hair. 39 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,000 Is there for a reason? Is there to keep bacteria around? 40 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:29,000 Usually I'm bold. And I like that I have a bold patch in the middle because of my operation. 41 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,000 You know, trim around it. I'm actually thinking about making blonde one side. 42 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:41,000 I literally have not done anything in terms of grooming to my vagina in maybe two years. 43 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:47,000 Occasionally my boyfriend will help me when I ask him to with his clippers, 44 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:54,000 which involved me like screaming at him because I thought he was going to cut off my clip. 45 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,000 But he did a really great job and he was very calm whilst he was doing it. 46 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,000 He was like, I'm just going under here now, just so you know. 47 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:04,000 Can you just like spread them a little bit further apart? I'm like, you're such a good guy. 48 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:09,000 But we tended to avoid that little grooming ritual just because it's too stressful for me. 49 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:20,000 The clitoris, it's at the top, I think, a little bit awkward. I'm seeing this. 50 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:29,000 It's not just the little bit that you see. It's a huge, great, big elaborate creature. 51 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:40,000 If we knew more about the clitoris or talked more about it, like the fact that it's got 50 times more nerve endings than the penis, 52 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:51,000 it's a lovely, sensitive, powerful piece of our anatomy that is really misunderstood because you don't see visual representations of it. 53 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:58,000 It actually is pretty much the same size as a penis. There's obviously the little bowl, the little button, 54 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:04,000 but then there are these kind of extended parts of it that go into the body so we don't see it. 55 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:10,000 It's made of erectile tissue and when aroused kind of engorges and grips the vaginal wall. 56 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:17,000 There's a fear around the clitoris because most men don't know where to find it and if they do, they don't know what to do with it. 57 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:36,000 There is a lot of shame still around about vaginas and the slut stuff. She has this messy cunt. 58 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:48,000 It bleeds. It isn't nice. It must be kept under control because also we know somewhere she can have a lot of pleasure and we don't want women to have that. 59 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:56,000 I love to wank and I always have and hopefully I always will until my dying day. 60 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:11,000 My favourite time for masturbating is when I'm in the bath. I just have to feel completely relaxed and that's like it's often just after I've changed my bed sheet so it just smells clean and I feel in the water all around my body. 61 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,000 So my clitoris is kind of there for the taking. 62 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:19,000 I prefer to masturbate but I see the morning when we wake up or the evening before I go to sleep. 63 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,000 Inside in the woods, the breeze, smell the flowers. 64 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,000 I like to masturbate in my bed. 65 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,000 In my bed, in my space. 66 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,000 In the afternoon, sunshine, nice weather, candles are on. 67 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,000 All that. 68 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:34,000 It plumps itself up and it's kind of like come and play with me. 69 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:38,000 The perfect way to start and finish your day. Sometimes twice a day. 70 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,000 I think there's a lot of shame attached to self-pleasure. 71 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:55,000 But actually, if you don't understand what you like for yourself, how do you communicate that to a partner? 72 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:06,000 I want to be really frank with you because I really feel like even though I'm finding this really hard, I'm embarrassed by it and I'm worried about who's going to see it. 73 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:17,000 At the same time, I feel like those feelings are wrong and that society's understanding of women and masturbating is wrong. 74 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:24,000 The average orgasm for a woman is like up to 11 to 20 seconds. 75 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,000 I mean, it's like five or six seconds. 76 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:52,000 When it's on its way, it's kind of like you can hear the thunder in the distance and you know it's getting closer, so it's not a surprise. 77 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,000 I can feel it building. 78 00:07:55,000 --> 00:08:01,000 You get this sort of, it's almost like swacking and electricity like bouncing around. 79 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:11,000 All of these neurons and synapses making so many different connections and the vulva itself is the hub. 80 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,000 Look at the smile that's playing to my face just talking about it. 81 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,000 I'm role-playing things in my head. 82 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:23,000 My cunt goes slippery and slidey and juicy. 83 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:32,000 Suddenly, the cells will become on fire and I feel the run down through the body and then it always, for me, it's the toes. 84 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,000 It's in the toes, it's like this. 85 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:42,000 You get this involuntary bucking, you know, that right before you're going to go and it's like, oh. 86 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,000 Your whole body is pulsated and everything's kind of being pumped. 87 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,000 A lot of poor and often I go deaf. 88 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,000 It's like being drugged physically. 89 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:52,000 Intense. 90 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,000 I feel my deafness and all this energy. 91 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,000 It's almost like an overload beyond words. 92 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,000 It's just one. 93 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,000 When you're wiping yourself and you can see the colours. 94 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,000 It can be painful, it can be really bloody painful. 95 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:32,000 It doesn't smell pleasant, but it doesn't smell disgusting. 96 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,000 My whole body starts to feel heavy and exhausted. 97 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,000 I feel the contracting muscles. 98 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,000 It feels like a big punch in the stomach. 99 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,000 Carnage. 100 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,000 Different textures. 101 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,000 Sometimes it's like a light red, like fresh blood. 102 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,000 I would say it's dark, it's a darker blood. 103 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:52,000 I was always grateful that I was getting my period, I was always grateful that it was coming. 104 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,000 Absolutely dread them. 105 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,000 I don't like the feeling of tampons. 106 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:03,000 I was very happy with my moon cup, which I now carry with me all the time. 107 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:07,000 I think the worst thing about having your period is the fact that you can smell your period. 108 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:11,000 And you're just sitting there like, oh my fucking God, I can smell my period. 109 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,000 The person next to me can clearly smell my period. 110 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,000 And then like a dog sniffs you in the crotch. 111 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:17,000 And you're just like... 112 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,000 I think a tampon's quite painful. 113 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,000 I can remember everybody in school saying, oh, oh, it feels like sex. 114 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,000 I'm like, well, if that feels like sex, I'm never having sex. 115 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:41,000 Free bleeding is basically where you just decide to not wear a tampon or a sanitary towel or anything to stop the blood. 116 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,000 Having your period is totally normal. 117 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,000 Like, it's something that's really expected. 118 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,000 So why should I have to feel so self-conscious? 119 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:54,000 In the Asian community, there is a huge taboo around periods generally. 120 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,000 I remember being on a period and going into the kitchen. 121 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:04,000 And I was told not to because my period would spoil the food. 122 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:08,000 And I was really confused because my period's there, the food's there. 123 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,000 I don't know how it would spoil it. 124 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:19,000 I got my period when I was 12 on Christmas Eve. 125 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,000 I got them when I was nine years old. 126 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,000 It was really exciting. 127 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,000 Run to the top of the stairs and shouted, I've started. 128 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,000 I think I had my knickers still around my ankles. 129 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,000 I was like, mum, mum, I'm bleeding. 130 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:36,000 My mother said, oh, oh, I'm so sorry, dear. 131 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,000 It was quite a special time in my house. 132 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,000 I was 13 when I had my first period. 133 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,000 I remember feeling devastated. 134 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,000 It was like, well, now there's no hope. 135 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,000 I don't get on with my vagina at that time of the month. 136 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,000 We're not friends. 137 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:56,000 It gets quiet, and then it gets angry, and then it does all the pain. 138 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:03,000 When I'm in the middle of my cycle, so I'm assuming when I would be ovulating, 139 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,000 it's quite a different story. 140 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:09,000 It's much more interested in sex, penetrative sex. 141 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:18,000 I tend to find I have kind of two times of the month when I'm sort of most interested. 142 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:24,000 One is around about ovulation, which, you know, just biologically makes complete sense 143 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,000 because it's when your body's gay. It's baby time. 144 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:31,000 But I also have a time, usually a couple of days before I bleed as well, 145 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,000 and my hubby's always a bit surprised because he's always a bit like, 146 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,000 aren't you about to have your period? I'm like, yes, and. 147 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:43,000 And even just now and again, day three bleeding can be quite arousing. 148 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,000 Can you lie down in this space? 149 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,000 How do you want my legs? 150 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,000 Just relax them to the side, just let them flop in a way that feels comfortable. 151 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,000 Looking very yogary. That's all good. 152 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,000 There she is. 153 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,000 God, it is so pretty, isn't it? 154 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:14,000 My vulva looks and reminds me of a pink cupcake 155 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:21,000 because it's very pink and plump and where the labia and clitoris are, 156 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:25,000 it looks as though someone's piped layers of pink icing. 157 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,000 There's a little mole to the left of my labia, 158 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,000 which reminds me of a little chocolate chip 159 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,000 that's just been popped on the top of the cupcake. 160 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:41,000 The penis is this knife that is cutting in to the layers of the rose velvet. 161 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:51,000 It's kind of slicing through, cutting up the cake, 162 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,000 which means it's sort of almost disintegrating. 163 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,000 It's not in its previous solid form, 164 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:02,000 which I think plays on my wanting to be ruined in a way and sort of fucked up, 165 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:07,000 and it ends up just being this messy mixture at the end, 166 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:14,000 which is when I'm at my most kind of shaky, in a good way, vulnerable state 167 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:20,000 because I'm completely done and wobbling and I'm just a mess of rose velvet. 168 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:31,000 At 26, I met a skinhead who absolutely ruined me. 169 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:38,000 I had to go home the day after and Google what just happened. 170 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:42,000 He was the one that first discovered that I could squirt. 171 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,000 I didn't even think sex like that was out there. 172 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,000 I always thought he had really good sex. 173 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,000 A clitoral orgasm is different from a penetrative orgasm, 174 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,000 is different from a squirt. 175 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:57,000 There was no going back from that moment. 176 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:03,000 Then it was always wanting to chase that kind of sex and the squirt. 177 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:11,000 The privilege of being allowed in or near someone's vagina, 178 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,000 she needs to be vulnerable. 179 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,000 She needs to be accepting of the situation, 180 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,000 but it's so intimate that it's more intimate than anything else 181 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,000 because you're going inside somebody that's penetrative sex. 182 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,000 That's an enormous deal. 183 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,000 That's not a small thing. 184 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,000 But we live in a society that doesn't think that way. 185 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:35,000 We live in a society that treats women entirely like a cock pocket. 186 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,000 OK, that's that done. Thank you very much. 187 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,000 If you just get to a really relaxed position there. 188 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,000 Brilliant, OK, come on. 189 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,000 Wow. 190 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,000 It's difference-looking in a mirror, isn't it? 191 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,000 It is very different from looking in a mirror. 192 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,000 It's telling you to pick up the scars far more easily. 193 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,000 How do you feel about it? 194 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,000 OK, it's not perfect. 195 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,000 It doesn't need to be, you know? 196 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,000 I still really like it. 197 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,000 It does me. It does what I need it to do. 198 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,000 I grew up in a pretty rough town. 199 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:32,000 You know, a lot of violence going on and a lot of macho culture going on. 200 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:36,000 So, at eight years old, I came to the realisation that, 201 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,000 while I was a boy, I should have been born a girl. 202 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:48,000 My penis itself felt very much like a foreign body. 203 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:53,000 It was an alien object that was attached to me. 204 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,000 That was attached to me for some reason. 205 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:02,000 My vagina is just as sensitive as the penis before it. 206 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:07,000 My clitoris is made up of essentially a section of the head of the penis. 207 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,000 And, yeah, it's awesome. 208 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,000 The sex is incredible. 209 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:19,000 My generation are realising that having a vagina or having a penis 210 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,000 doesn't necessarily define your gender. 211 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,000 It's much more about, you know, how you identify 212 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,000 and how you feel. It's a much more personal choice. 213 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,000 Like, the label Virgin, I don't like. 214 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,000 It's just, you have had it or you haven't had it. 215 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,000 I told my mum. I actually sent her a text. 216 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,000 It literally just said, 217 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,000 So, Mum, I've got something to tell you. 218 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:50,000 I promise not to be mad, but I just lost my virginity. 219 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,000 And she took ages to respond. 220 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:59,000 And she was like, I'm crying and I feel very emotionally overwhelmed, 221 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:04,000 but I'm glad that you feel that you trust me enough 222 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:08,000 and can be open enough with me to share that experience. 223 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:16,000 I was 15. I was with my boyfriend and it was in his single bed. 224 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,000 It was like a cartoon duvet. 225 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,000 And it was over within about 30 seconds. 226 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,000 It was a few pumps and done because it was his first time too 227 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,000 and he was probably super nervous. 228 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:31,000 And then we had sex six more times on that sleepover 229 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,000 because I was like, we've got to get good at this. 230 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,000 I'm 19. I'm still the Virgin. 231 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:44,000 My friends are quite mixed. A lot of them still are Virgins. 232 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,000 I don't have a wish list. 233 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,000 I don't want to set my expectations of anything too high. 234 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:54,000 And I just think if it happens, it happens. 235 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:59,000 I think the young men I slept with or had done anything with 236 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:03,000 had basically just an idea that there was one type of vulva 237 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:10,000 and one sort of uniform look as to how women look down there. 238 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,000 And I think they had a slightly warped idea 239 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:19,000 of how they're meant to be treated. 240 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,000 Obviously, in a lot of sex that you see in porn, 241 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:27,000 it's very hard, very intense. 242 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:31,000 And especially when you're a young teenager 243 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,000 and you're having your first experiences with sex, 244 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:38,000 some people might not want to go hard and fast the first few times, 245 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,000 especially when you're like, what is this? 246 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,000 You don't really get to talk about the mechanics of sex. 247 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:55,000 You just get to talk about how a child is made through sex 248 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,000 rather than any sort of care or compassion 249 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,000 or respect for each other. 250 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:06,000 So I think that through watching porn like that, 251 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,000 I think a lot of previous partners didn't really understand 252 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,000 that it was very much a two-way street 253 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:17,000 and the myth of the female orgasm wasn't even a consideration. 254 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,000 Porn is an enormous thing. 255 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,000 There's really amazing, beautiful, artistic queer porn that's happening 256 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:28,000 and then there's stuff which is clearly really abusive 257 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,000 and driving rape culture. 258 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,000 The way in which you supposedly make a woman come in porn 259 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,000 is definitely not... well, maybe some women, but not for me anyway. 260 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:45,000 The women have been so degraded that it completely puts me off. 261 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,000 Black women are depicted as animals 262 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,000 and it's quite degrading in quite a racist way. 263 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:56,000 Porn is very distorted and it's reinforcing the idea 264 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,000 that your body as a woman is not enough the way that it is, 265 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,000 that it needs to be changed. 266 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:07,000 It made me feel like my vulva wasn't normal in a shape 267 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:11,000 and in the pubic hairs and how I grew so much. 268 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,000 It was abnormal for me. 269 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,000 I find it difficult to feel truly satisfied watching porn 270 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,000 because I don't know the circumstances 271 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,000 and I want to check everyone, particularly the women. 272 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,000 I want to check that she's OK. 273 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:30,000 I do get off on watching a couple having sex 274 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,000 and then having sex with someone myself at the same time. 275 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,000 There's something quite animalistic about 276 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,000 not making eye contact with each other 277 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,000 but just watching these two other essentially animals fucking. 278 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,000 I'm photographing 100 women's vulvas, including my own, 279 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,000 to help us see our bodies in a new way. 280 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,000 But when I started this project, 281 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,000 I wasn't prepared for the amount of pain and trauma I'd hear about. 282 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,000 I was raised in an evangelical Christian household 283 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,000 and I was a woman. 284 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,000 I was raised in an evangelical Christian household. 285 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,000 I just knew sex before marriage was wrong 286 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:32,000 and I was taught that if you want to be free from sin, 287 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:36,000 you don't even open the door, you don't put a toe in. 288 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,000 In Islam, the vagina isn't really talked about. 289 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,000 There is still that stigma of dirty vagina 290 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,000 and that women should really keep their legs closed. 291 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,000 Growing up, I was completely scared of my vagina 292 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,000 when I thought about it, which was rare. 293 00:22:55,000 --> 00:23:02,000 It was a hugely scary portal to trouble. 294 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,000 I went to Islamic border school. 295 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:13,000 We had to wear the whole abaya, niqab, everything, hijab, 24-7. 296 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,000 You can't even have books from the outside world, 297 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,000 no phones, no TV, no music. 298 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,000 I was singing a song, a random song by Brionte, 299 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,000 a roommate casually came up to me and said, 300 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,000 you're going to hell for that. 301 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,000 My first kind of big crush was Ron Weasley from Harry Potter, 302 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,000 guilty as charged, 303 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:35,000 and I remember having a poster up of him when I was about 12 304 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,000 and I felt it was so wrong I took it down 305 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,000 because I felt it was sinful. 306 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,000 I didn't know what I was shutting myself off from, 307 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,000 but that door was firmly shut. 308 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:52,000 There are some thoughts and some papers suggesting that 309 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:56,000 and a religious upbringing can have an effect on vocal health, 310 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,000 particularly the pelvic floor and like vaginismus 311 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,000 and like the pelvic floor just clenching up 312 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,000 as kind of like a psychogenic response to that shame 313 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,000 that it's literally like your muscles go, 314 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:13,000 right, okay, then, no, thank you very much, not for us. 315 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,000 And sometimes women find that when they try 316 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,000 and strip those barriers down, 317 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,000 the muscles do not get the message 318 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,000 and I think that was definitely the case for me. 319 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,000 My longest relationship was about two years 320 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:30,000 and we never had a bunch of sex. 321 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:34,000 We tried once or twice, but it just wasn't happening. 322 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,000 There was no way and it was also extremely distressing as well, 323 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:44,000 so I couldn't keep trying because it was such a horrible experience, 324 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:50,000 you know, yeah, but things are better now. 325 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,000 Sorry. 326 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,000 Honestly, I think I try not to think about that time very much 327 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:07,000 because I'm feeling so much more positive now than I was 328 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,000 now that that avenue has opened up to me, 329 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:17,000 but I really felt like my quality of life was done for, really done for 330 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:21,000 and that I wouldn't be loved, I wouldn't be able to be in a relationship 331 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:25,000 and that I wouldn't be able to be accepted. 332 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,000 Yeah, it was dire. 333 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:36,000 There were moments where I didn't know what I was going to live for 334 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,000 and whether I wanted to. 335 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,000 My nickname is a vagina woman 336 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:53,000 because I talk about vagina every single day. 337 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,000 As a sexual health nurse, I talk about vaginas 338 00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:00,000 it's like I'm talking about cup of tea. 339 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,000 We talk about masturbation, we talk about oral sex, 340 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,000 we talk about anal sex, we talk about fisting, we talk about, 341 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:11,000 you name it, every single thing that can go on in a sexual health clinic, 342 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,000 we talk about it. 343 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:26,000 So the morning I heard FGM, it was like Christmas for me. 344 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,000 Imagine being seven years old and having a massive party 345 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,000 and where there's a woman coming in to do your henna, 346 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,000 there's another woman there to do your hair. 347 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,000 It was amazing and that's the first time I actually got a watch. 348 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,000 So every time I look at the watch, I do remember those days. 349 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,000 I feel the needle going in. 350 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,000 After that, everything just went quiet. 351 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,000 She looked at me, I said to me, now you are a woman. 352 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,000 Once she left and the local anaesthetic was coming out of my system, 353 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:06,000 I was burning and I remember screaming and just crying. 354 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:14,000 We were very lucky because we had money to afford local anaesthetics. 355 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,000 There are girls being cut without any medical assistance at all. 356 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:23,000 My clitoris was removed and labia minora, labia majora 357 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:28,000 and they stitched it all the way down until they left me a little hole 358 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,000 that is no bigger than a matchstick. 359 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:37,000 And you would only always have one little hole to urinate and menstruate through? 360 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,000 Yeah. 361 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:47,000 I was in hospital because of FGM from the age of 11 till I was 17 years old. 362 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:52,000 My period was accumulating inside and it wasn't coming out. 363 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,000 FGM took away my childhood. 364 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,000 I was never that girl that was playing outside with her friends 365 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:04,000 or going to go to the cinema with her friends because I was always in hospital. 366 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,000 And it took away my chance to be a mother. 367 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:12,000 Now I would never know what is it like to carry your own child. 368 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:20,000 All of that was taken away to prove to my future husband that I'm a virgin. 369 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:28,000 We know there's a lot of excuses of why FGM happens, 370 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,000 but really FGM happens to control women's sexuality. 371 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:37,000 They think cutting a woman's clitoris and stitching her up will stop her sleeping around. 372 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:42,000 Growing up to hear that, we didn't even thought about pleasure. 373 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:47,000 But what was surprising for me was even though the clitoris has been cut, 374 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,000 the rest of the clitoris is actually inside. 375 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,000 Women don't realize that actually the clitoris is inside. 376 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,000 The nerve is all around our vagina. 377 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,000 So we just need to know what works for us. 378 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,000 As a woman who had FGM, do I have a really nice sex life? 379 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,000 Yes, I do. 380 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,000 Do I have orgasm? 381 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,000 Yes, I do. 382 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,000 I've got clients that enjoy the smell. 383 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,000 They will be like, make sure you've run your knickers all day. 384 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,000 My pants are a bit fishy. 385 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,000 I'm going for it. 386 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,000 Crushed strawberries and cream. 387 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,000 That's what my vagina smells like. 388 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,000 Apparently my vagina smells different before I'm about to get my period. 389 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,000 If I have a lot of sugar, a lot of dairy... 390 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,000 A slight smell of blood. 391 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,000 That changes the smell of my vagina. 392 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,000 There's a really big taboo around the word discharge. 393 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,000 People think, oh, that's disgusting. 394 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,000 Or, oh, I don't get any discharge. 395 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,000 You do. We all do. 396 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,000 There's nothing to be embarrassed about. 397 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,000 It changes throughout your life and your cycle. 398 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,000 And yes, I have discharge and my vulva looks moist. 399 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:10,000 I still struggle with the kind of more corporeal aspects of that kind of thing. 400 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,000 I just feel like it's the same with the hair and stuff. 401 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,000 Like, vaginas have a smell, vaginas have hair. 402 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:21,000 It's a thing. Like, that's something that I'm still working on. 403 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,000 I was born in Ireland in 1975. 404 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:38,000 So when I was growing up, a lot of things around people, 405 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,000 but particularly women, was silenced. 406 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,000 We were just left with this kind of feeling of shame and misunderstanding. 407 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,000 My parents are really liberal, open people. 408 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,000 They grew up in Brighton in the fifties and seventies. 409 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,000 They're cool people. 410 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:07,000 They always talked about how sex was a really important thing between two people. 411 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,000 Not that it had to be with one person forever, 412 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:15,000 but the person you were having sex with had to mean something to you 413 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,000 and you had to have feelings for them. 414 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,000 So at about seven I was very, very switched on. 415 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,000 I knew what I wanted to do. 416 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:43,000 I saved. I worked to make sure that my life was ordered. 417 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:48,000 And then my world was turned upside down in a very unpleasant way 418 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,000 because I was raped by someone I really trusted. 419 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,000 And that caused a huge amount of chaos and upset, 420 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,000 which at that age I really didn't know how to deal with. 421 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,000 And not being able to talk about it meant no one else could help me deal with it either. 422 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,000 So we were just kind of left with that. 423 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,000 Not knowing what it is and not really understanding what's just happened. 424 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,000 So when I was 19, I was on holiday 425 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:30,000 and I was raped by the manager of the hotel that I was staying in. 426 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:35,000 And then I came back on holiday and I just sort of 427 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,000 brushed it under the carpet as a, 428 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,000 okay, well, that probably wasn't a very good thing, 429 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,000 but just didn't think about it. 430 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,000 And then as the years went by, 431 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:49,000 I just started to realise that it was really affecting me in so many ways. 432 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,000 My confidence levels just plummeted. 433 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,000 When somebody's violated you in that way 434 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,000 and just taken from you in that way, 435 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:06,000 your self-worth is like, and nothing. 436 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,000 It can make you not want to be alive. 437 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,000 And that's how I felt for a long time, 438 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:17,000 just like, well, if I died, it wouldn't make any difference. 439 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:24,000 I went from being a super confident, really happy young woman, 440 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,000 wearing low-cut tops, loved my boobs, 441 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,000 thought they were the best thing ever, 442 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:36,000 to suddenly hating anything that was sexual about my body. 443 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:43,000 In all of the warnings that were given as girls by our mothers and fathers, 444 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:48,000 it's almost like you could expect something like this is going to happen. 445 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,000 And because you've been told about it, 446 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,000 it is almost like, well, then it is your fault. 447 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,000 If I'd done something differently, if I'd not drunk, 448 00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,000 if I'd not said something or done something or been in a certain place, 449 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,000 would it have turned out differently? 450 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,000 Those questions that get round and round in your head, 451 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,000 they're the questions that ruin you. 452 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,000 You know, what happens at such a young age 453 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,000 has become such a part of you 454 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,000 that you sort of don't know who you might have been without it. 455 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,000 I just wish I could be normal. 456 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:25,000 I knew what it was like to just be able to enjoy sex. 457 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,000 And even just silly things, like I don't really like watching films 458 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:33,000 or TV programmes because so many of them have sexual assaults in them. 459 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,000 Like everyone keeps saying, have you watched The Handmaid's Tale? 460 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,000 And I'm like, I can't, I can't, I can't watch it. 461 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:48,000 Understanding how that feeling of violation must be turned around 462 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:56,000 in something that energised me to learn, to understand. 463 00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:04,000 You can't fix it, but you can kind of resolve it. 464 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,000 I'm currently in a relationship and the sex is great. 465 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:13,000 I feel completely differently about it, which is just such a relief. 466 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:18,000 I just think it's so, I really was worried that this was me forever. 467 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,000 I was just never going to enjoy sex. 468 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:26,000 And I am at the moment and I can't begin to describe how fantastic that is. 469 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:31,000 I feel like I'm normal again and that's really nice. 470 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:39,000 I promised myself that I wouldn't let the people who raped me 471 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,000 take my presence and my future. 472 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:22,000 Like every orgasm is different, every birth is different. 473 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,000 I went in at the last minute because I didn't want too much interference. 474 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,000 Every vulva is different, every baby emerging is different. 475 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,000 You have to concentrate and focus and nothing else seems to matter. 476 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,000 And I just did what I was told. 477 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,000 I was just throwing up all the time like the whole birth. 478 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,000 I was just pooed and threw up and pooed. 479 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,000 You just carry on, don't you? 480 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:46,000 The first time was really hard and I told her I had a stick to be tear. 481 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,000 I also had vantus and forceps, so I had quite a lot of pain. 482 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:55,000 I had an episiotomy and forceps and it was absolutely horrendous. 483 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:59,000 The tear went through the muscle tissue around my anus. 484 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,000 And I feel angry that that happened. 485 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,000 It took me probably 15 years to get over having cesarean sessions. 486 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,000 When I was sewn up, I was sewn up incorrectly. 487 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,000 I didn't feel like a proper mother. 488 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,000 I couldn't even manage to give birth to my children. 489 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,000 After he stitched me up, I did feel the same. 490 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:22,000 I've never been able to exactly pee straight down because my cunt has been made wonky. 491 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:27,000 I was really sore for a couple of weeks, but you kind of don't care 492 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:32,000 because you've got this little snuffily bundle that's just, you know, really gorgeous. 493 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,000 You know, birthing can be such an amazing thing 494 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:42,000 within a world that tries its best to tell us it's the hardest and worst thing in the world. 495 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,000 After the horror of childbirth, breastfeeding was a doddle. 496 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,000 You breastfeed, it makes your womb contract harder. 497 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:55,000 Sucking, you could feel the contraction in your uterus and of course in your cunt. 498 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,000 And then you realise that you're gushing down below and you're like, 499 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,000 is this okay? Is this normal? 500 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,000 I'd be really grateful if I'd known that was going to happen. 501 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:25,000 I think when I was first told that it was really unlikely 502 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,000 that I would ever be able to conceive, 503 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:35,000 that massively made me question my entire identity 504 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:40,000 as a woman, what did womanhood even mean if you couldn't have kids? 505 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:49,000 We are socialised from a very young age to believe that we are entitled to a family. 506 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:57,000 We're entitled to that biological right or capacity to conceive. 507 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,000 You have to find new ways to explore womanhood. 508 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,000 I'd wanted a child for a long time with my partner 509 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,000 and was told that it wasn't going to be possible. 510 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,000 But then it was possible. 511 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,000 I got to the stage of seeing the child's heartbeat 512 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:26,000 and then I was staying with a friend and realised I was having a miscarriage. 513 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:32,000 So I went into the hospital and I went to the toilet to pee 514 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,000 and then the whole miscarriage just came out. 515 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:42,000 And I remember looking in the loo and thinking, that's my baby in the loo. 516 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:48,000 So I put my hand down to pick her up and just held her. 517 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:59,000 And it was like a massive piece of liver, dark, warm, bloody. 518 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:07,000 There is a loss there, but it's taken me to this age of 52 to be able to say, 519 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,000 it's not the end of the world. 520 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:22,000 I'd been bleeding for a few weeks in between periods 521 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,000 and a lot after sex with my boyfriend at the time 522 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,000 and he said, is it because my dick's too big? 523 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,000 So when the doctor said, you've got cervical cancer, 524 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:41,000 it felt like a tonne of paving slabs had just been thrown onto my chest 525 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:47,000 and I just thought, I'm 24, like, I haven't even had a smear test yet 526 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,000 and I'm being told that I've got cancer. 527 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:56,000 I had my cervix removed, the surrounding kind of tissue area 528 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,000 and the top third of my vagina. 529 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,000 There's a lot of kind of stigma around having a gynecological disease 530 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:07,000 like somebody at my old job when I was leaving to go and have the operation 531 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,000 said, what kind of cancer have you got? 532 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,000 And I said, cervical. 533 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,000 And she said, well, how do you get that? 534 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:16,000 And, like, you wouldn't ask the same if I'd said breast, bowel or brain. 535 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,000 When it's something in between your legs, there's this assumption 536 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,000 that you've done something wrong as a woman, 537 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,000 there's a lot of judgement and inaccuracy. 538 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,000 It's medically inaccurate that you have to, you know, 539 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,000 slept with a lot of people to have a gyne problem. 540 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,000 There is this stigma around gyne health, 541 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,000 which means that some women will not be as lucky as I was. 542 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,000 When I was really little and I didn't understand 543 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,000 about what bodies were, gender was, 544 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,000 I honestly thought I would grow up to be a boy. 545 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,000 I just thought that that's just how it was. 546 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,000 Some people changed. 547 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,000 And maybe I didn't even think that I was going to change, 548 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,000 maybe I thought I already was a boy. 549 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:07,000 I don't really see myself as male or female. 550 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:11,000 I understand that my physical body is female, 551 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:17,000 but myself, excluding the skin sac, is much more neutral. 552 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,000 I have elements of masculine and feminine. 553 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:24,000 I think everybody does, really, but I feel that mine are very balanced. 554 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,000 And I sit somewhere, sort of, very cleanly in the middle, 555 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,000 though it fluctuates a fair bit. 556 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,000 So non-binary is a shorthand way of saying that. 557 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,000 The moment that I understood what non-binary meant, 558 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,000 or gender neutral is the term I was using at the time, 559 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:42,000 it was honest to God like I was flooded with light. 560 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,000 I felt so alive and so connected and so calm and centred, 561 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,000 and it was just like, finally I make sense. 562 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,000 All right, fine. I've done it. Can I turn it off? 563 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,000 Cool. 564 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,000 Off. 565 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,000 Go away. 566 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,000 My vagina is what it is. 567 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,000 There's nothing I can do about that, and I don't think I'd want to. 568 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,000 It takes up a lot of head space. 569 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,000 I'm very aware of it at all times. 570 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,000 It never goes away. 571 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,000 Just let your legs relax to the side. 572 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,000 Just get comfortable. Ready? 573 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,000 OK. 574 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,000 That's great. OK, one more. 575 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,000 Fantastic. 576 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,000 Oh, wow. 577 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,000 Gorgeous. That's really lovely. 578 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,000 I can't wait for men pause. 579 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,000 I want my period to be over with. 580 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,000 I want it gone. 581 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,000 Let the bleeding stop. 582 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,000 I'm just about to have a hot flush. I'm sorry, guys. 583 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,000 I never had any of that stuff about, 584 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,000 oh, you're going to be a dried up old woman. 585 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:02,000 I kept getting wet when I was having sex. 586 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:07,000 I'm 70. I was 70 in May, and I still enjoy sex. 587 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:12,000 I'm more dry than I used to be, so I use a lubricant. 588 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:17,000 A little bit of spit, you know, solves that little problem. 589 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:25,000 I didn't stop desiring sex. 590 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:30,000 I didn't stop wanting orgasms. 591 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,000 Really, your life goes in different ways, up and down. 592 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,000 You want sex or you don't want sex. 593 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:40,000 I didn't want sex after I had my kids. 594 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:44,000 But after menopause, I then thought to myself, 595 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:49,000 honey, you're on your own. Make the most of it, my dear. 596 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,000 I wanted to bring the reality of our bodies 597 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,000 and the truth of our experiences into the open. 598 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,000 I've now photographed 100 vulvas up close. 599 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,000 It's been transformative. 600 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,000 I'm looking at them all together. None of us are the same. 601 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,000 We're not all neat, pink and perfect. 602 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:16,000 I think a lot of people have this really solid idea 603 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,000 of what a vagina should look like. 604 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,000 And if everyone just kind of dropped that 605 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,000 and knew that there were loads of different vaginas, 606 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,000 then I think vaginas would be a lot happier. 607 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:33,000 What if women did a sexual Brexit and took back control? 608 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,000 And then said to men, you're only allowed near it 609 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,000 if you know what you're doing. 610 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,000 And then said to men, you're only allowed near it 611 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,000 if you know what you're doing. 612 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,000 And we set up a kind of driver's licence. 613 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,000 I think it would be useful. 614 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,000 This part of ourselves which we're so conditioned to conceal 615 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:57,000 actually defines so much of our lives as women. 616 00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:01,000 And our most intimate experiences, pleasurable and painful, 617 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:07,000 shouldn't be treated as taboo, but as a testament to our strength. 618 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:22,000 We're support available on Channel4.com slash support. 619 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,000 And the fellas get to have a say about their fellas. 620 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:29,000 Me and my penis streaming on all four anytime. 621 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:33,000 Back to tonight and it's shameless on Channel4. 622 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:42,000 Thank you. 54234

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