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(footsteps crunching)
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(car door opens)
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(keys jingling)
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(car door closes)
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(engine starts)
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("Hush, Hush, Sweet Charlotte"
by Patti Page plays on radio)
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♪ The red rose tells you ♪
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♪ Of his passion ♪
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♪ The white rose
his love's so true ♪
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♪ Hush, hush,
sweet Charlotte ♪
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♪ Charlotte ♪
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♪ Don't you cry ♪
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♪ Hush, hush,
sweet Charlotte... ♪
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Reporter:
The murder of a married,
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middle-aged businessman
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from Massachusetts...
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(tense music playing)
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Man 1:
The night the gentleman
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from Massachusetts disappeared,
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it was relatively quiet.
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Man 2:
I think he saw this guy
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across the room
in the piano bar.
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Man 1:
And then they were gone.
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Next thing I know,
there he is in the papers.
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He couldn't have
seen it coming.
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And so many people
were so terrified.
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Reporter: His body parts
were found in plastic bags
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along roadways here
in New Jersey,
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and his briefcase
was left nearby.
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(wind whooshing)
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(dramatic theme music playing)
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Chief Thomas Macauley:
I was working a regular shift
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when I was notified.
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A few of the Department
of Transportation employees
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found a, uh, a human head
in the back of their truck.
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Nick Theodos: Evidently,
as maintenance workers
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were throwing the bags
off the truck.
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one of the bags caught
the edge of the wood
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and split open,
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and that's when
they noticed the head.
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Around mile marker 70.
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They found the bags
containing the legs.
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I worked numerous murders,
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but this wasn't like
a normal crime scene.
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It looked like somebody
had washed the body
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and then used newspaper
to wrap the body.
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Chief Macauley: Our victim
was cut into seven pieces
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and packaged
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in several different
trash bags.
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We went through each bag
and collected what we could.
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Part of the body was wrapped
in a, uh, shower curtain.
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There was a bag
from a shopping center.
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Chief Macauley:
A Liz Claiborne
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king size fitted sheet.
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Theodos:
We found a keyhole saw.
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We found some gloves.
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One of the bags
contained his briefcase
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that had his, uh, wallet,
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which contained
his driver's license.
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So at that point, we knew
our victim was Thomas Mulcahy.
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Tracey O'Shea:
I would say half of these photos
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are from trips of some sort.
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My dad really enjoyed
taking us and traveling
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and, and showing us things
and having us experience things.
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And being together
as a family
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was definitely important
to him.
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This is at my senior prom,
I believe.
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He was just, you know,
being sort of, Dad.
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(laughs)
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O'Shea: It was about six weeks
before my 19th birthday
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when my father was killed.
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It's been, gosh, 31 years.
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So the hesitancy
to put it out there
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and have, have it
sort of resurface
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is just a lot.
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It's good to kind of, go back,
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and remember that point
in my life
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where he was there,
(chuckles)
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and able to do
these things with him.
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My father was very kind,
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kind of gentle...
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funny in a quirky
kind of way.
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(laughs)
Um...
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This was more of his
"chilling attire,"
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even though he looks
pretty buttoned up
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for gardening
and being outside.
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I always felt like
my dad was different
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than maybe a lot of the other
dads that I grew up with.
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Not hugely.
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He loved our town
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and what it provided
from a family perspective,
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but he was more,
sort of, cosmopolitan,
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traveling to
different parts of the world.
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His life seemed bigger
than Sudbury.
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He was into Hollywood glamour,
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and he loved Broadway
and "Chorus Line"
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and "La Cage aux Folles."
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I'd say the big thing was,
he kind of, let us be ourselves,
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or let me be myself,
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and kind of, um,
was encouraging in that way.
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In my teenage years,
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I sensed that
there was more to him
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and the life
that I experienced,
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there was more to it.
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Then he went down
to New York
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on a business trip and...
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never came home.
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(solemn music playing)
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Chief Macauley: When we started
trying to figure out
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how Mr. Mulcahy became
a victim of a homicide,
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we started tracing
his footsteps.
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And we found out
that he was in New York
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for a presentation.
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My mom was
in regular contact
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with the police
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and, and getting updates,
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especially in those
early days.
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I know he had done
his presentation
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at the World Trade Center,
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that he had with a colleague,
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that they had gone out
to lunch afterwards
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and drank a lot of beers.
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The detectives shared
with us
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that there was some
ATM transaction somewhere.
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Through looking
at his credit cards,
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we were able to track
his movements.
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And he ultimately ended up
at the Townhouse...
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Townhouse Pub in New York City.
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It was learned
that, uh, that sometimes
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he went
for male companionship.
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I was the last person
to be seen
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with Thomas Mulcahy.
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It was a busy night,
but it wasn't overly crowded.
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And I took my usual spot
at the bar.
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My friend Jack came in
with a friend of his from Boston
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named Thomas Mulcahy.
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I liked older, professional,
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well-dressed gentlemen.
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Uh, so he introduced me.
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Oh, he was
a very handsome man.
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Tall, classic New England,
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Brooks Brothers, businessmen,
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executive look.
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I knew nothing
about his home life,
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just that he was here
on business.
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I would like to have spent
more time with him,
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but I noticed
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that he was interested
in someone else
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standing at the piano.
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So I politely excused myself.
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As I was leaving,
I was curious
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as to who it might
have caught his attention.
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So I did look back,
and I did see one gentleman
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standing at the piano.
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I had not seen him before.
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Brown hair.
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Wearing a polo shirt.
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Kind of nondescript.
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Two or three days later,
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I get a knock
on my apartment door
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at about six o'clock
in the morning.
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And it's detectives
from the 17th Precinct
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informing me that Tom--
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body parts had been found
scattered throughout New Jersey.
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♪ ♪
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O'Shea: In the months
after my father was murdered,
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the details were
kind of unraveling.
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We had, kind of, a session
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as a family, um,
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with a therapist.
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Um,
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and I think
the way it was said,
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was that my dad
had another life,
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and that that life was gay.
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And then... I learned
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that a few years prior,
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after he returned
from a business trip,
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my mom found some brochures
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around gay bars in London
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or something like that.
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Um, from my understanding,
my mom and dad
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wanted to--
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they made a choice
to work on things
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and, um...
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be in therapy.
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In my world, homosexuality
wasn't really talked about.
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Not that I was afraid of it
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or opposed to it
or anything like that,
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but I just didn't really
have much exposure
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to what being gay was.
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Just having gone
through my dad being murdered,
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being dismembered,
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being alongside
the Garden State Parkway,
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like, and now
I'm being told he's gay.
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Like, (voice breaking)
what else is gonna...
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happen?
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(somber music playing)
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(ambient street sounds)
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With the gay community?
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Probably with
the gay community, yeah.
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When we started investigating
and going to the bars
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that were known
to be frequented
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by the gay community,
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we had contacted,
uh, in New York City,
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the Gay Lesbian
Anti-Violence Project,
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and, uh, mentioned to them
that we had this case
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and that, um, you know,
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if there was any way
that they could help.
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Bea Hanson: The Anti-Violence
Project was founded in 1980,
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and it was founded in order
to respond to a rash
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of anti-gay bias attacks
that were happening.
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We called ourselves
the New York City Gay
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and Lesbian
Anti-Violence Project.
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And at AVP, we functioned
kind of as a connector
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between the police department
and the community in some ways.
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Matt Foreman:
We're doing precinct
sensitivity training programs.
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We're training state police
in New Jersey. Uh, we're try...
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The New Jersey
State Police knew about us
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because I was doing
sensitivity training class
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with them
for a whole year
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because they had
a horrible reputation
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of harassing gay men.
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Hanson:
The New Jersey State Police
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called me wanting help,
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wanting any information
we could,
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we could help them with.
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And they had no clue
about the gay community.
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I mean, uh, you know,
it's just a different world.
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Hang on to those wigs and pumps,
'cause here we go.
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(funky electronic music playing)
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Hanson: When I first moved
to New York,
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you know, I came in '86,
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New York was really a place,
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and I think for a lot
of Queer people then,
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it was a place
where you felt like,
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you could be who you are.
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Person 1:
I love New York.
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Thank you, New York,
for being so fabulous.
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Foreman:
Our movement was just growing.
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Person 2:
So gay today.
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Foreman:
Everything was just burgeoning
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in terms of gay life.
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I think it's hard for
straight people to understand
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what it felt like to walk
into a gay bar back then.
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("Show Me Love"
by Robin S. playing)
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♪ You've got
to show me love ♪
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♪ ♪
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♪ Heartbreaks and promises ♪
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♪ I've had more than my share ♪
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Foreman:
I remember the first
gay bar I walked into,
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I thought, "Oh, my God,
I've been missing this
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my entire life."
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It just felt like home.
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♪ Show me, show me baby ♪
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It was, uh, sexual.
Very sexual.
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Narrator:
Come to Man's Country
and develop your body
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or a friendship
with somebody else's.
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Hanson:
We had the Clit Club.
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It was really like,
the "dyke coming out,
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sex-positive place."
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I loved going there.
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David Wertheimer:
Queer bars were
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one of the few places
in the community
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where we could come
and feel safe.
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Hi. What are we doing here today
at Marie's Crisis?
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Piano bars, poppers,
Barbra Streisand,
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the whole deal, you know?
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Yes!
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(singing) ♪ And all because
of the man... ♪
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Wertheimer:
And there were people
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who, because
they... hated gay people,
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or were afraid of gay people,
or were afraid of feelings
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they may have had themselves,
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would come
to places like this
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specifically with the intention
of doing harm.
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Hanson: There was always
this kind of...
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"You got to watch your back
at the same time too,"
sort of feeling.
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Reporter 1: It all started
just after midnight
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when a pipe bomb exploded
in a West Village bar
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called Uncle Charlie's.
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A six-inch pipe bomb
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had been placed in a trash can.
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It exploded inside the club,
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injuring a bar worker
and two patrons.
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Reporter 2: Bouquets
of flowers and the candles
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at the door
of the Ramrod bar.
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They're really symbols
of the mourning,
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the feeling of mourning
for the two dead
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and the others
who have been shot.
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Mike DeLa Hoz:
This is ridiculous!
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I want to live my life out.
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I don't want to be killed
on these streets.
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It's ridiculous!
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(sniffles)
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I mean, you know
what it is to be,
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to be assaulted
for just being alive?
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I mean, for being
what you want to be.
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If there's one thing
that is universal,
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in my experience
to LGBTQ people,
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that we all know intuitively,
it's violence.
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So you used to do--
you, you admit
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that you used
to do gay bashing?
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Guest:
Yeah. Fag bashing.
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Oprah:
And why would you do this?
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Uh, we were young
and full of goofiness,
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and we just--
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it was the thing to do
on a Friday or Saturday night.
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Yeah. And so did that give you
pleasure doing that?
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At the time? It was fun, yes.
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We had cases
where guys would come in with,
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to the West Village
and Chelsea with golf clubs.
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There's no golf course
in the West Village and Chelsea.
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Simply to use those to,
to beat up gay people.
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-(protestors shouting)
-(whistling)
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Hanson: And, you know,
the AIDS crisis was raging.
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One of the things we saw
is people were targeted
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because they looked sick,
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because gay people
and gay men, you know,
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were, were blamed
for HIV and AIDS.
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So the AIDS crisis,
the epidemic of AIDS
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and violence definitely
connected and increased.
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Foreman:
It's in all of us.
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That fear of being hurt
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because we're queer.
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Probably not
a program goes by on "Gay USA"
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where we don't talk about
the rising tide of anti-gay
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and anti-lesbian violence.
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"Gay USA" is a weekly
one hour news show...
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(lively show theme playing)
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Andy Humm: ...about everything
that happens
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in the LGBTQIA community.
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The brutal beating of...
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Whenever anybody was beat up
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or something bad happened,
we'd talk about it.
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Hate crimes
against gays and lesbians
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are up all over the country.
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You know, I've had people try
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to run me over in their car
because of it.
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My best friend was beaten
severely in Brooklyn.
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He had to live with me
because his jaw was broken.
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Guest:
Two guys walked towards me,
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and call-- one of them
called me a faggot.
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The one who was closest
had his,
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-his arm up--
-Oprah: Mm-hmm.
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and, um, stabbed me
in the shoulder.
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I had so much repressed anger
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at how we were being treated.
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(indistinct shouting)
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Foreman:
I was just furious,
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and I wanted
to do something about it.
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Reporter: Can you
spell your last name for me?
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F-O-R-E-M-A-N.
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Executive director
of New York City
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Gay and Lesbian
Anti-Violence Project.
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Reporter: You told me yesterday
that the Anti-Violence Project
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has been around for ten years,
um, here in New York.
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What's new that's happening?
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What's the phenomenon
that you see happening?
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What's new is this
alarming escalation
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in anti-gay
and anti-lesbian crime.
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It's been on the increase
for years...
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Every day, more and more,
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especially on Monday mornings,
we'd have 10, 20 new reports,
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which meant 10, 20 people
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that needed
to be reached out to
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to talk to, to help.
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Our job was to be there
for the survivors,
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try to help them
navigate the system,
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whether it was crime victim, uh,
compensation for their injuries,
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or to help them deal with
the psychological trauma of it.
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If you're a member
of this community,
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if you're a lesbian
or a gay man in this community
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and you've been victimized,
come to AVP.
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I mean,
that's, that's the root.
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That's the bottom line there.
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It was very much trying
to push law enforcement
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to give a shit.
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Foreman:
In the Mulcahy case,
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Bea was the front person
with the police.
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I was pretty involved
with keeping on top
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of the New Jersey
Police Department,
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helping them connect them
to the Townhouse.
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The Townhouse wasn't
really connected in
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with, you know,
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the Queer organized community
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like, in the, in the
West Village and in Chelsea.
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There was
out gay people everywhere.
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But this is uptown.
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This was kind of a bar
where a lot of, like,
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guys in suits went.
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A lot of closeted guys went.
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I would characterize it
back then
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as a place
for older gentlemen
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and, and younger men
who like older gentlemen.
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Michael Ferreri:
For these men,
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The Townhouse
provided anonymity.
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So they felt safe
that anyone coming here
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was obviously gay.
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And, uh, if they're here, well,
you know, you're here, too.
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Chief Macauley: We went
in the Townhouse several times
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to, uh, interview people,
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but they had no additional
information to offer.
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00:20:37,612 --> 00:20:41,700
Foreman:
I think a lot of potential tips
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were missed because
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the way in which they approached
people at the Townhouse,
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with very little finesse,
as I understand it.
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00:20:52,627 --> 00:20:55,463
It's very difficult, especially
in a bar like The Townhouse
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where people were
pretty closeted,
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that they didn't really want
to get involved with police.
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00:21:01,845 --> 00:21:04,639
(tense music playing)
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Theodos: So we tracked down
all of the items
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that were recovered
from the scene.
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We checked on
the Pergament bag
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where the keyhole saw
was purchased.
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00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:18,319
We called Pergament.
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"We have a, a keyhole saw.
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00:21:20,572 --> 00:21:23,700
Could you tell us where
somebody might buy this saw?"
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00:21:23,950 --> 00:21:25,702
And they say,
"Well, what's the SKU number?"
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And when we give them
the SKU number,
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they say, "Okay, that was
shipped to Staten Island."
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00:21:32,167 --> 00:21:34,711
Chief Macauley:
We couldn't identify
which Pergament it came from.
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We took a SKU number
from the latex gloves,
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and it, it identified
the location
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where those latex gloves
were purchased,
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which was a CVS
on, on Staten Island.
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00:21:44,971 --> 00:21:47,223
And there was only one CVS
on Staten Island.
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And talking to the management
at the CVS,
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these gloves were
probably purchased
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within, like, a two-month period
prior to this homicide.
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And in that aisle,
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directly across from the,
from the gloves
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was a box of, um,
of trash bags
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00:22:02,364 --> 00:22:03,615
that were similar
to the trash bags
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00:22:03,698 --> 00:22:05,867
that, that the victim
was found in.
435
00:22:07,744 --> 00:22:10,538
Theodos:
They were all in Staten Island.
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When we go back 30 years ago,
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there wasn't the camera presence
that you have today, right?
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If you probably
bought that today,
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00:22:19,297 --> 00:22:21,341
you'd probably have
somebody on video,
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00:22:21,633 --> 00:22:24,427
but, uh, not lucky enough.
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00:22:26,221 --> 00:22:29,140
Chief Macauley: We also tried
lifting several fingerprints
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from the Mulcahy bags.
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00:22:32,477 --> 00:22:34,729
You put it in
a sealed container
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with superglue
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00:22:36,147 --> 00:22:37,816
and you apply heat to it,
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00:22:38,024 --> 00:22:40,819
and your prints
are, are raised off that item.
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00:22:41,236 --> 00:22:42,487
But with our bags,
448
00:22:43,321 --> 00:22:44,864
uh, it wasn't quite sealed.
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00:22:45,824 --> 00:22:48,493
So we didn't get the prints
at that time from those bags.
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00:22:50,662 --> 00:22:52,622
We were trying
to find any leads
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or anything
we could discover.
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Chief Macauley:
Lucky for us,
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every homicide
that we had,
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we were required to submit it
into ViCAP no matter what.
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00:23:02,257 --> 00:23:06,594
ViCAP stands for Violent
Criminal Apprehension Program,
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00:23:07,262 --> 00:23:10,974
and is the analysis
of similar cases
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throughout the country.
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Theodos: So we submitted
the ViCAP form.
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And once it went
into the database,
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the algorithms would push out
if there was anything similar
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00:23:20,734 --> 00:23:23,486
based on the
crime scene description.
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00:23:24,696 --> 00:23:27,991
It came back that there was
a very similar case
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00:23:28,825 --> 00:23:30,326
in 1991.
464
00:23:30,368 --> 00:23:32,871
(intense music playing)
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00:23:32,954 --> 00:23:35,248
Reporter: Police say
he was stabbed to death.
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So far, no motive,
no suspects.
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00:23:40,378 --> 00:23:41,963
Chief Macauley:
We realized
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00:23:42,047 --> 00:23:44,632
this person
has done this previously.
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00:23:51,473 --> 00:23:52,557
Carl Harnish:
Okay, here.
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And then we're going west.
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Jay Musser:
Here's, here's the bridge.
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-Harnish: Yeah.
-Musser: So this is Mannheim.
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So it has to be right around
somewhere in around in here.
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Harnish:
Redding. Oh, we're going--
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Musser: We're going--
That's where the body was found.
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00:24:04,194 --> 00:24:06,279
Harnish: Where's 72?
Yeah. Okay.
477
00:24:06,905 --> 00:24:10,992
This is the location
where the barrel was located.
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At a, uh, rest stop.
479
00:24:12,994 --> 00:24:14,245
It's just a wide area.
480
00:24:14,537 --> 00:24:17,123
He was about 40
to 45 feet off the road.
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00:24:17,374 --> 00:24:18,500
Yeah, okay.
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00:24:19,042 --> 00:24:21,670
Harnish: We were in charge
of Lancaster County.
483
00:24:22,087 --> 00:24:25,882
This, of course, is where
the Pennsylvania Dutch live.
484
00:24:26,424 --> 00:24:28,885
Musser:
It's different from the city.
485
00:24:28,927 --> 00:24:30,887
We didn't have
a lot of homicides.
486
00:24:33,723 --> 00:24:36,476
Harnish: The person who found
the body in the barrel
487
00:24:36,851 --> 00:24:39,479
was a maintenance employee.
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00:24:40,980 --> 00:24:43,024
I think he tore
at least three bags open
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before he realized,
"Oh, it's a body."
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He immediately radios
his office.
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00:25:23,898 --> 00:25:26,359
I'm notified, Jay's notified,
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00:25:26,818 --> 00:25:29,946
and immediately
we went to the scene.
493
00:25:29,988 --> 00:25:31,406
Musser:
When I got to the scene,
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the body was on the ground,
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00:25:33,658 --> 00:25:36,202
removed from
the, the 55-gallon barrel.
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00:25:37,620 --> 00:25:39,456
The only thing
that really caught my attention
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was how clean
the body was.
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00:25:41,499 --> 00:25:42,667
With him being stabbed
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00:25:42,751 --> 00:25:45,045
and this big gaping hole
in his stomach,
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00:25:46,004 --> 00:25:47,172
there had to be
a lot of blood,
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00:25:47,464 --> 00:25:50,216
and yet there was nothing,
and his whole torso was clean.
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00:25:50,300 --> 00:25:51,509
I saw that.
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00:25:51,593 --> 00:25:53,887
And for the moment,
I didn't see anything else.
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Musser:
Five days later,
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approximately 38 miles
east of that,
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that's where his personal
belongings were found.
507
00:26:02,687 --> 00:26:04,189
They found his clothes
508
00:26:04,606 --> 00:26:05,982
driver's license...
509
00:26:06,316 --> 00:26:08,860
Harnish: That's the first time
the name come up.
510
00:26:09,903 --> 00:26:11,488
That was Peter Anderson.
511
00:26:12,238 --> 00:26:14,657
Musser: That's when the
investigations really started.
512
00:26:14,908 --> 00:26:17,911
You've got to find the trail.
"When was Peter last seen?"
513
00:26:25,710 --> 00:26:29,047
(vehicles passing by)
514
00:26:33,885 --> 00:26:35,929
Tony Hoyt:
I met Peter...
515
00:26:36,012 --> 00:26:37,681
let me think,
I've got,
516
00:26:37,722 --> 00:26:40,016
I've gotta just do
a little arithmetic here.
517
00:26:41,309 --> 00:26:43,228
(softly)
'63...
518
00:26:43,728 --> 00:26:45,730
I'd say that I
probably met Peter
519
00:26:45,814 --> 00:26:49,234
in 1964 or 1965.
520
00:26:50,235 --> 00:26:51,611
In New York.
521
00:26:53,947 --> 00:26:55,990
We were all hanging out
in the city together,
522
00:26:56,074 --> 00:26:58,243
some party
or something like that.
523
00:27:00,578 --> 00:27:03,748
I remember he was very dapper.
524
00:27:04,749 --> 00:27:06,918
He was always dressed
to the nines.
525
00:27:07,252 --> 00:27:11,256
In perfectly pressed
Brooks Brothers suit.
526
00:27:11,339 --> 00:27:12,757
Always wore a bow tie.
527
00:27:13,008 --> 00:27:15,552
And he had
a little round face.
528
00:27:15,593 --> 00:27:17,637
He was very enthusiastic about,
529
00:27:18,179 --> 00:27:21,307
about life
and about meeting people.
530
00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:24,894
He went to Trinity.
He was a smart guy.
531
00:27:27,897 --> 00:27:29,607
He liked to entertain,
532
00:27:29,691 --> 00:27:31,484
and he'd have
little dinner parties
533
00:27:31,568 --> 00:27:34,821
and he always liked to keep
the cocktail hour going
534
00:27:34,904 --> 00:27:37,073
for hour after hour.
535
00:27:38,658 --> 00:27:40,410
The-- I sensed that
there was some sort
536
00:27:40,493 --> 00:27:42,120
of electricity
between the two of us.
537
00:27:43,413 --> 00:27:46,374
But we didn't talk about it,
because you didn't talk
538
00:27:46,458 --> 00:27:47,959
about those things.
539
00:27:48,001 --> 00:27:49,836
And then I got married.
540
00:27:51,254 --> 00:27:54,341
Once I got married,
I moved to Long Island.
541
00:27:54,424 --> 00:27:55,842
I had the kids.
542
00:27:57,469 --> 00:27:58,428
Peter and I...
543
00:28:00,180 --> 00:28:02,140
we just went
our separate ways
544
00:28:03,099 --> 00:28:04,017
for a while.
545
00:28:07,479 --> 00:28:09,147
(Director speaking)
546
00:28:18,406 --> 00:28:19,741
Yeah. I, I, I think I can,
547
00:28:19,824 --> 00:28:21,451
I think I can answer
that question.
548
00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:26,498
First night
when there was hanky-panky.
549
00:28:26,956 --> 00:28:29,626
I hadn't seen him in...
(trills lips)
550
00:28:29,668 --> 00:28:31,670
six or seven years.
551
00:28:31,711 --> 00:28:32,754
And one night,
552
00:28:33,213 --> 00:28:37,258
I had a client dinner
in the city.
553
00:28:38,134 --> 00:28:40,845
After dinner was over,
I'd missed the last train,
554
00:28:41,262 --> 00:28:44,140
and I'd had
too much to drink.
555
00:28:44,182 --> 00:28:47,185
I called Peter on the payphone.
Cost a dime.
556
00:28:47,686 --> 00:28:48,937
And I said,
557
00:28:49,020 --> 00:28:51,690
"I, I need a place to sleep.
Can I spend the night?"
558
00:28:52,232 --> 00:28:54,109
And he said, "Sure,
come on up."
559
00:28:54,192 --> 00:28:56,277
Well, one thing led to another,
560
00:28:56,361 --> 00:29:00,031
and that was the start
of, of our relationship.
561
00:29:02,784 --> 00:29:04,869
Peter was the first guy
I was with.
562
00:29:06,037 --> 00:29:07,872
No words were spoken.
563
00:29:08,707 --> 00:29:10,709
It just happened.
564
00:29:10,792 --> 00:29:12,669
We were both attracted
to each other,
565
00:29:13,044 --> 00:29:15,922
and, uh, we had
some pretty good sex.
566
00:29:17,215 --> 00:29:19,968
It was quite a romance
because we were so close
567
00:29:20,051 --> 00:29:21,845
and we were so intimate.
568
00:29:23,388 --> 00:29:24,514
We fit together.
569
00:29:26,516 --> 00:29:28,560
And we were safe together.
570
00:29:28,893 --> 00:29:32,063
It's trust.
We trusted each other.
571
00:29:32,105 --> 00:29:36,401
Obviously, this relationship
could not see the light of day,
572
00:29:36,443 --> 00:29:38,695
or we would both be
in serious trouble.
573
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:43,658
Me with my wife and my family
and Peter at the Bank of--
574
00:29:43,742 --> 00:29:45,285
Bank, Bank of New York.
575
00:29:46,036 --> 00:29:49,539
Where I grew up, uh,
everybody was straight.
576
00:29:50,540 --> 00:29:51,750
One wasn't gay,
577
00:29:52,083 --> 00:29:53,752
one was not a homosexual.
578
00:29:54,002 --> 00:29:57,589
One grew up, went to school,
went to college,
579
00:29:58,089 --> 00:30:00,759
got out of college, got married,
had babies, and died.
580
00:30:01,259 --> 00:30:05,138
And that's what nice,
nice people did.
581
00:30:05,263 --> 00:30:09,100
(cheerful vintage music playing)
582
00:30:09,809 --> 00:30:11,269
Lieutenant Williams:
I'm Lieutenant Williams,
583
00:30:11,311 --> 00:30:14,022
a police officer attached
to the juvenile division.
584
00:30:14,272 --> 00:30:16,858
I'm on my way to talk
to a group of young people.
585
00:30:17,317 --> 00:30:19,736
Humm: Before Stonewall,
no one was out
586
00:30:19,778 --> 00:30:21,780
except, you know,
ten people. Alright?
587
00:30:22,072 --> 00:30:25,950
Coming out was considered
insanity before that.
588
00:30:25,992 --> 00:30:27,118
"Are you out of your mind?
589
00:30:27,202 --> 00:30:28,828
Why would you
tell anybody this?"
590
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,498
In the old days,
psychiatrists,
591
00:30:31,748 --> 00:30:33,708
they were making
so much money
592
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:35,794
off making gay people think
we were sick.
593
00:30:36,044 --> 00:30:38,838
Lieutenant Williams:
What Jimmy didn't know
was that Ralph was sick.
594
00:30:39,005 --> 00:30:42,092
A sickness that was not
visible like smallpox
595
00:30:42,133 --> 00:30:44,636
but no less dangerous
and contagious.
596
00:30:44,719 --> 00:30:46,513
A sickness of the mind.
597
00:30:47,097 --> 00:30:49,683
You see,
Ralph was a homosexual.
598
00:30:49,766 --> 00:30:52,268
Even when the psychiatrists
removed us
599
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:56,314
from the index
of mental disorders in 1973,
600
00:30:56,356 --> 00:31:00,527
the psychiatrist who testified
for it wore a big, ugly mask.
601
00:31:01,319 --> 00:31:04,489
If he was identified,
he was gonna lose his job.
602
00:31:06,157 --> 00:31:09,452
Foreman: Back in the '50s
and '60s and '70s,
603
00:31:09,494 --> 00:31:10,870
if you came out,
604
00:31:11,413 --> 00:31:14,124
you would, in fact,
lose your job.
605
00:31:14,416 --> 00:31:17,544
You would, in fact, be thrown
out of your church,
606
00:31:17,836 --> 00:31:19,254
you would lose your children.
607
00:31:19,504 --> 00:31:22,132
Narrator: The CBS News
Public Opinion survey indicates
608
00:31:22,173 --> 00:31:24,009
that sentiment
is against permitting
609
00:31:24,092 --> 00:31:25,510
homosexual relationships
610
00:31:25,552 --> 00:31:29,222
between consenting adults
without legal punishment.
611
00:31:29,514 --> 00:31:32,017
Man: I was terribly frightened
by the homosexual feelings
612
00:31:32,058 --> 00:31:34,019
and the guilt associated
613
00:31:34,060 --> 00:31:35,729
with having feelings
of attraction
614
00:31:35,812 --> 00:31:37,022
towards other males.
615
00:31:37,188 --> 00:31:40,483
(pensive music playing)
616
00:31:44,362 --> 00:31:47,407
Hoyt: One night,
Peter said to me,
617
00:31:48,033 --> 00:31:49,367
"Well, I've got something
to tell you."
618
00:31:49,409 --> 00:31:50,702
And I said,
"Well, what's that?"
619
00:31:50,785 --> 00:31:52,871
And he said, "I'm going
to get married."
620
00:31:52,954 --> 00:31:54,205
And I said, "You what?"
621
00:31:55,540 --> 00:31:56,666
It was his cover.
622
00:31:57,542 --> 00:31:58,585
He needed a cover.
623
00:31:58,668 --> 00:32:00,170
And, um, I said,
624
00:32:00,211 --> 00:32:02,922
"Well, this is...
good for you."
625
00:32:03,923 --> 00:32:05,633
(inaudible dialogue)
626
00:32:06,259 --> 00:32:07,427
Hoyt:
It wasn't an issue.
627
00:32:07,510 --> 00:32:09,095
"Well, well, God, we're,
628
00:32:10,096 --> 00:32:11,890
"we're in bed together,
maybe we should,
629
00:32:11,973 --> 00:32:14,726
"maybe we should talk
about this.
630
00:32:14,768 --> 00:32:16,227
Uh, maybe we should come out."
631
00:32:17,562 --> 00:32:20,565
We didn't really know
anybody who was out.
632
00:32:22,192 --> 00:32:23,735
And he said, "It doesn't
necessarily have to end."
633
00:32:23,777 --> 00:32:25,362
I said, "No, it doesn't."
634
00:32:25,987 --> 00:32:27,364
But it did.
635
00:32:29,741 --> 00:32:31,576
The last time I saw him,
he was getting married
636
00:32:31,618 --> 00:32:33,244
the next week.
637
00:32:33,328 --> 00:32:35,163
And after that,
I didn't see him
638
00:32:35,246 --> 00:32:40,043
until that night
in-in New York City in 1991.
639
00:32:44,589 --> 00:32:46,466
Reporter:
Lancaster police
have identified him
640
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:48,635
as Peter Anderson
of Philadelphia.
641
00:32:48,718 --> 00:32:51,763
He was a former Assistant
Vice President of Mellon Bank.
642
00:32:51,846 --> 00:32:53,973
(ambient street noise)
643
00:32:55,225 --> 00:32:57,143
Harnish:
With his identification,
644
00:32:57,227 --> 00:32:59,187
we knew where he lived.
645
00:32:59,938 --> 00:33:02,565
Trooper Musser obtained
a search warrant
646
00:33:02,857 --> 00:33:05,443
for Peter's apartment
in Philadelphia.
647
00:33:06,569 --> 00:33:07,987
Musser:
Went through the apartment
648
00:33:08,071 --> 00:33:09,781
with Trooper Kevin Dykes.
649
00:33:09,864 --> 00:33:11,449
Just going through
anything to see
650
00:33:12,075 --> 00:33:14,119
if we can find
any, any more leads.
651
00:34:01,583 --> 00:34:03,168
The gay thing
wasn't really relevant
652
00:34:03,251 --> 00:34:05,503
to the investigation
other than finding out
653
00:34:05,587 --> 00:34:07,797
who might've killed him
and where he hung out.
654
00:34:10,050 --> 00:34:11,551
Harnish:
We conducted interviews
655
00:34:11,634 --> 00:34:13,803
at various bars
in-in Philadelphia
656
00:34:13,844 --> 00:34:18,516
that we knew or had heard
that Peter frequented.
657
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:21,353
Musser: One of the interviews
let us know that
658
00:34:21,436 --> 00:34:24,188
Peter went to New York
on a Friday
659
00:34:24,272 --> 00:34:26,483
for a fundraiser
660
00:34:26,524 --> 00:34:28,860
in the apartment
of Robert Brown,
661
00:34:29,235 --> 00:34:31,196
up by Central Park West.
662
00:34:32,405 --> 00:34:34,657
I guess he ran into
an old relationship,
663
00:34:34,699 --> 00:34:35,617
an old friend.
664
00:34:39,286 --> 00:34:41,623
Hoyt: At the time,
I was living in New York.
665
00:34:41,706 --> 00:34:45,377
I was working. I was publisher
of "House Beautiful" magazine.
666
00:34:47,379 --> 00:34:49,964
A good friend of mine, Robby,
667
00:34:50,047 --> 00:34:51,382
was giving a fundraiser.
668
00:34:51,424 --> 00:34:53,217
For Tony Brooks,
who was running,
669
00:34:53,301 --> 00:34:54,719
I think, for city council.
670
00:34:57,555 --> 00:34:59,891
I walked
into Robby's apartment,
671
00:35:00,433 --> 00:35:01,893
and there was a table set up
672
00:35:02,227 --> 00:35:04,396
and sitting at the table
collecting money
673
00:35:04,437 --> 00:35:07,816
and checking off names
was Peter Stickney Anderson.
674
00:35:08,191 --> 00:35:10,235
And we looked at each other
and said, "Holy Christ.
675
00:35:10,276 --> 00:35:11,528
How long has it been?"
676
00:35:14,197 --> 00:35:15,407
He had the same bow tie on
677
00:35:15,490 --> 00:35:17,534
and the same
Brooks Brothers suit.
678
00:35:18,702 --> 00:35:19,744
And there he was.
679
00:35:21,746 --> 00:35:24,666
And we gave each other,
I'm sure, a big hug.
680
00:35:25,917 --> 00:35:27,377
It was great to see him.
681
00:35:28,253 --> 00:35:30,088
We'd gone on.
He'd had a kid.
682
00:35:30,171 --> 00:35:31,339
He'd gotten married.
683
00:35:31,423 --> 00:35:33,091
He was married twice.
He was like me.
684
00:35:33,174 --> 00:35:34,551
He was a slow learner.
685
00:35:38,972 --> 00:35:41,307
As the party wound down,
686
00:35:41,391 --> 00:35:43,268
Peter had a good buzz going,
687
00:35:43,601 --> 00:35:45,145
and he said,
688
00:35:45,228 --> 00:35:46,229
"Let's go have
a drink somewhere."
689
00:35:46,271 --> 00:35:47,147
And I said, "Fine."
690
00:35:47,230 --> 00:35:48,106
"Where should we go?"
691
00:35:48,189 --> 00:35:49,649
He said, "Well,
the Townhouse
692
00:35:50,442 --> 00:35:53,278
58th Street
between 2nd and 3rd."
693
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,323
We went to the back
of the room
694
00:35:58,074 --> 00:36:01,578
and ordered a cocktail,
maybe two.
695
00:36:02,996 --> 00:36:08,209
And, uh, suddenly the bartender
said, uh, to Peter,
696
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:11,129
"I'm sorry, you've had
too much to drink
697
00:36:11,171 --> 00:36:13,381
and I can't serve you
any more liquor."
698
00:36:15,425 --> 00:36:16,843
So I said, "Look,
699
00:36:17,302 --> 00:36:20,764
why don't I get you a room
at the Waldorf Astoria?"
700
00:36:24,017 --> 00:36:27,312
Went to the payphone,
called the Waldorf Astoria,
701
00:36:27,354 --> 00:36:28,938
made a reservation for him.
702
00:36:32,859 --> 00:36:35,487
Took him down the stairs
at the Townhouse.
703
00:36:38,281 --> 00:36:40,700
Put him in a taxi,
told the cab driver
704
00:36:40,784 --> 00:36:42,702
to take him
to the Waldorf Astoria.
705
00:36:46,164 --> 00:36:49,709
And I said, "Peter,
great to see you."
706
00:36:49,959 --> 00:36:53,338
(pensive music playing)
707
00:37:03,973 --> 00:37:05,850
(Robby Browne speaking)
708
00:37:31,876 --> 00:37:35,088
Myself and Trooper Dykes went up
there to interview Robert Brown,
709
00:37:35,171 --> 00:37:36,631
who ha-- hosted the party.
710
00:37:36,965 --> 00:37:39,009
(Robby Browne speaking)
711
00:37:56,901 --> 00:38:00,405
Hoyt: I went up to Robby's,
and these two state troopers
712
00:38:00,447 --> 00:38:02,073
from Pennsylvania were there.
713
00:38:03,366 --> 00:38:04,451
They talked about,
714
00:38:04,993 --> 00:38:07,328
"Mr. Brown, you had a party
on Friday night."
715
00:38:07,412 --> 00:38:08,580
Da-dee-da-dee-da.
716
00:38:08,955 --> 00:38:12,542
He whips out a picture of Peter
and shows it to Robby and said,
717
00:38:12,584 --> 00:38:14,919
"Was this gentleman
at your party?"
718
00:38:15,003 --> 00:38:16,087
And Robby said, yes.
719
00:38:16,171 --> 00:38:17,339
And then he showed me
the picture.
720
00:38:17,422 --> 00:38:19,424
He said,
"Do you know who this is?"
721
00:38:19,466 --> 00:38:21,092
I said, "Yeah,
it's Peter Anderson."
722
00:38:21,593 --> 00:38:23,303
Then we found out that,
we found out
723
00:38:23,386 --> 00:38:24,846
that he'd been killed
724
00:38:26,556 --> 00:38:29,517
and where he'd been found
and how he'd been found.
725
00:38:30,477 --> 00:38:31,644
It was terrible.
726
00:38:34,105 --> 00:38:35,023
Terrible.
727
00:38:41,112 --> 00:38:44,324
The Pennsylvania guys asked me
a couple of questions,
728
00:38:44,407 --> 00:38:46,368
and I told them
what I knew
729
00:38:46,451 --> 00:38:48,703
about the Waldorf Astoria
reservation.
730
00:38:49,287 --> 00:38:51,456
We followed up
on the Waldorf Astoria,
731
00:38:52,123 --> 00:38:54,793
and they recalled him
being there.
732
00:38:54,834 --> 00:38:58,463
Peter arrived up
at the check-in desk, drunk,
733
00:38:58,505 --> 00:39:00,131
and started to check in.
734
00:39:00,215 --> 00:39:01,966
And there was a bellman
or somebody
735
00:39:02,008 --> 00:39:06,012
who he started
to, sort of, pinch his butt.
736
00:39:06,388 --> 00:39:09,974
And the guy said,
"I don't come with the room."
737
00:39:10,767 --> 00:39:13,103
So they put him
back out on the boulevard,
738
00:39:13,186 --> 00:39:14,938
and that was the last
anybody saw him.
739
00:39:17,691 --> 00:39:19,401
We checked the cab company,
but they told us
740
00:39:19,484 --> 00:39:21,486
nobody's tracking
where they go,
741
00:39:21,528 --> 00:39:22,821
what they do
or nothing like that.
742
00:39:22,862 --> 00:39:25,949
So cabs was a zip.
743
00:39:26,032 --> 00:39:27,325
The train station was a zip.
744
00:39:27,659 --> 00:39:30,120
Where he went after that,
nobody knew.
745
00:39:31,663 --> 00:39:33,707
Hoyt:
I think Peter probably forgot
746
00:39:33,790 --> 00:39:37,168
that he'd been turned off
by the Townhouse bartender.
747
00:39:37,502 --> 00:39:41,131
He'd been 86'd and, uh,
went back to the Townhouse.
748
00:39:41,423 --> 00:39:44,384
(suspenseful music playing)
749
00:39:46,928 --> 00:39:48,346
Musser:
We didn't go to the Townhouse.
750
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,725
In hindsight, maybe it would
have been a good idea
751
00:39:51,808 --> 00:39:53,351
to follow up
with the Townhouse.
752
00:39:53,685 --> 00:39:56,354
I mean, it would be nice
if we had a picture.
753
00:39:56,771 --> 00:39:58,106
We could have went
over there.
754
00:39:58,690 --> 00:40:01,901
At that time, we didn't know
it was a, a gay bar.
755
00:40:03,028 --> 00:40:04,195
I don't know anything about
756
00:40:04,279 --> 00:40:05,822
where all the gay bars
in New York are.
757
00:40:05,864 --> 00:40:07,741
I don't know about anything
about the community.
758
00:40:08,074 --> 00:40:09,451
It really is irrelevant.
759
00:40:09,534 --> 00:40:11,036
I mean, we don't--
all we do--
760
00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:12,537
All we know is
we got a body,
761
00:40:12,996 --> 00:40:14,456
and we gotta find out
who would do it,
762
00:40:14,539 --> 00:40:16,708
but it's not really
relevant to anything.
763
00:40:18,585 --> 00:40:20,628
Hoyt:
So after that initial rush,
764
00:40:20,712 --> 00:40:24,049
you know, the initial times
with the state troopers,
765
00:40:24,132 --> 00:40:25,258
it went quiet.
766
00:40:25,342 --> 00:40:26,509
I think it went quiet.
767
00:40:27,635 --> 00:40:31,514
Harnish: There wasn't any
information developing on it.
768
00:40:31,598 --> 00:40:34,100
You take the investigation
until you have no more leads.
769
00:40:34,392 --> 00:40:35,727
And then once you have
no more leads,
770
00:40:35,769 --> 00:40:37,729
then you have to move on.
771
00:40:38,730 --> 00:40:42,817
And so after five months,
I moved on to another job.
772
00:40:42,901 --> 00:40:43,777
So...
773
00:40:51,409 --> 00:40:53,661
(Director speaking)
774
00:40:57,832 --> 00:41:01,670
Yeah. Why is the emphasis
on the gay part?
775
00:41:06,091 --> 00:41:08,968
(pensive music playing)
776
00:41:15,433 --> 00:41:16,851
Hanson:
We have so many examples
777
00:41:16,935 --> 00:41:18,687
of law enforcement thinking
778
00:41:18,770 --> 00:41:23,108
that they're doing
the right thing...
779
00:41:23,149 --> 00:41:26,277
where they were more kind of
connecting to,
780
00:41:26,611 --> 00:41:28,488
you know, the evidence
that they had collected
781
00:41:28,571 --> 00:41:30,490
and, and looking at that.
782
00:41:31,700 --> 00:41:34,244
But they weren't
really connecting
783
00:41:34,285 --> 00:41:35,453
to the community.
784
00:41:36,371 --> 00:41:40,709
What we saw that law
enforcement couldn't see was
785
00:41:40,792 --> 00:41:44,379
that this was connected
to a larger problem.
786
00:41:44,671 --> 00:41:46,965
And I think some
of that's deliberate,
787
00:41:47,048 --> 00:41:49,384
and I think some of it
is just unconscious.
788
00:41:49,467 --> 00:41:53,096
We saw working
with the NYPD
789
00:41:53,138 --> 00:41:55,098
that more often than not,
790
00:41:55,473 --> 00:41:59,185
the police back then were
either indifferent or hostile.
791
00:41:59,269 --> 00:42:02,272
(indistinct shouting)
792
00:42:02,313 --> 00:42:03,648
Crowd (chanting):
Shame! Shame!
793
00:42:03,732 --> 00:42:05,108
Wertheimer: The New York City
Police Department
794
00:42:05,150 --> 00:42:06,818
is, is a huge entity.
795
00:42:07,485 --> 00:42:09,320
There are some
30,000 police officers,
796
00:42:09,404 --> 00:42:12,574
and those police officers
represent, very frequently,
797
00:42:12,657 --> 00:42:13,742
the full spectrum
798
00:42:13,825 --> 00:42:15,201
of attitudes and opinions
about lesbians
799
00:42:15,285 --> 00:42:17,370
and gay men that you see
in the larger population,
800
00:42:17,454 --> 00:42:19,497
which may include
hostile feelings.
801
00:42:19,539 --> 00:42:21,833
When you're talking
about homosexuals,
802
00:42:21,875 --> 00:42:24,210
you're talking about somebody
that commits a crime.
803
00:42:25,128 --> 00:42:27,589
Uh... what they do.
804
00:42:27,672 --> 00:42:28,590
Interviewer:
What do you mean?
805
00:42:28,673 --> 00:42:29,674
It's sodomy.
806
00:42:29,758 --> 00:42:31,051
And sodomy is a crime.
807
00:42:31,885 --> 00:42:35,889
Foreman: The NYPD is
a, a military operation.
808
00:42:36,389 --> 00:42:41,561
It is a very macho
operation.
809
00:42:41,644 --> 00:42:43,355
And, uh...
810
00:42:44,689 --> 00:42:48,068
I mean, to this day,
homophobia is rampant.
811
00:42:49,361 --> 00:42:51,112
It was deadly dangerous.
812
00:42:54,532 --> 00:42:56,701
It was prevalent
within the ranks.
813
00:42:57,452 --> 00:42:58,870
I'm not saying every cop
was like this.
814
00:42:58,912 --> 00:43:00,747
There were so many cops
I worked with back then
815
00:43:00,830 --> 00:43:03,833
that were just amazing,
beautiful human beings.
816
00:43:05,251 --> 00:43:07,045
But before I came out,
817
00:43:07,128 --> 00:43:08,338
the fear I felt...
818
00:43:09,547 --> 00:43:11,883
within the NYPD
was significant.
819
00:43:12,967 --> 00:43:14,761
Um...
820
00:43:14,844 --> 00:43:16,888
I really felt that
I couldn't be visible.
821
00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:19,307
I really felt like
I wouldn't survive
822
00:43:19,391 --> 00:43:20,350
if I came out.
823
00:43:21,643 --> 00:43:24,062
I can remember being
in my locker room
824
00:43:24,104 --> 00:43:27,357
and one of the older cops
that were there,
825
00:43:27,941 --> 00:43:31,111
um, really aggressive cop,
you know, one of the cops
826
00:43:31,194 --> 00:43:34,698
that you don't want to
run into, uh, in the streets,
827
00:43:34,739 --> 00:43:37,409
came into
the locker room furious,
828
00:43:37,450 --> 00:43:39,619
slamming the locker room
door closed
829
00:43:39,703 --> 00:43:42,372
and screaming out,
"Fucking faggots!
830
00:43:42,789 --> 00:43:45,417
"If I ever find out one of us
is a fucking faggot,
831
00:43:45,458 --> 00:43:48,378
"I'm gonna blow his
fucking head off by accident,
832
00:43:48,420 --> 00:43:50,088
running up the stairs
on a job."
833
00:43:52,716 --> 00:43:53,675
And I'm changing.
834
00:43:53,758 --> 00:43:54,801
And when he said that,
I was like,
835
00:43:54,884 --> 00:43:56,928
"Holy shit,
I'm not coming out.
836
00:43:57,971 --> 00:44:00,223
I'm not coming out.
Not here."
837
00:44:06,604 --> 00:44:09,190
(solemn music playing)
838
00:44:10,275 --> 00:44:11,568
Foreman: We knew that
there had been
839
00:44:11,609 --> 00:44:12,902
these horrific crimes
840
00:44:13,236 --> 00:44:17,907
and yet no sign of the NYPD
taking it seriously.
841
00:44:17,949 --> 00:44:20,869
I don't want to minimize
how challenging
842
00:44:20,952 --> 00:44:22,203
a case like this would be
843
00:44:22,287 --> 00:44:25,457
to try to find witnesses
and pursue them and--
844
00:44:25,498 --> 00:44:26,666
But...
845
00:44:27,709 --> 00:44:29,961
inexplicable that NYPD
846
00:44:30,003 --> 00:44:32,797
wouldn't have just
mobilized for this.
847
00:44:32,964 --> 00:44:35,717
And... and they didn't.
848
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,012
It was extremely difficult
to understand
849
00:44:39,095 --> 00:44:41,806
what the NYPD
was responsible for.
850
00:44:41,848 --> 00:44:44,059
And it was never clear to me
851
00:44:44,142 --> 00:44:48,313
who was responsible for what.
852
00:44:48,355 --> 00:44:50,315
Musser:
When we went to New York,
we stopped at the precinct
853
00:44:50,357 --> 00:44:51,983
and told them
what we were there for.
854
00:44:52,025 --> 00:44:54,319
But I don't know
how much they were involved.
855
00:44:57,447 --> 00:44:59,824
Harnish: The jurisdictions
that were involved.
856
00:44:59,866 --> 00:45:02,160
You have Philadelphia
and you have New York City.
857
00:45:03,995 --> 00:45:07,332
Aggravating part to me is
we're not in our home turf.
858
00:45:07,374 --> 00:45:10,585
We don't know where we're at
when we go to those places.
859
00:45:10,669 --> 00:45:12,921
So that puts us
at a handicap.
860
00:45:15,006 --> 00:45:16,758
Hanson:
I think, for the NYPD,
861
00:45:16,841 --> 00:45:19,094
it's like, "Eh,
it didn't happen here."
862
00:45:22,639 --> 00:45:24,766
The reality is
they really didn't want
863
00:45:24,849 --> 00:45:27,894
to get involved
in the gay community.
864
00:45:28,853 --> 00:45:31,272
One thing I don't understand
about the assault problem
865
00:45:31,314 --> 00:45:32,440
is when you're assaulted,
866
00:45:32,482 --> 00:45:33,858
why can't you just
press charges
867
00:45:33,942 --> 00:45:35,652
regardless of whether
you're gay or not?
868
00:45:35,694 --> 00:45:36,986
You would think
that would be so.
869
00:45:37,028 --> 00:45:38,697
-Guest: There is why--
-Dee. Let me get Dee in here.
870
00:45:38,780 --> 00:45:39,864
Dee:
Okay. When I was assaulted,
871
00:45:39,906 --> 00:45:41,199
I was taken
to the emergency room
872
00:45:41,241 --> 00:45:44,911
because the police failed
to respond to the call.
873
00:45:44,994 --> 00:45:46,746
When the police officers,
874
00:45:46,830 --> 00:45:49,124
uh, come into
the emergency room,
875
00:45:49,207 --> 00:45:52,711
they, uh, suggested that
this was a lover's quarrel.
876
00:45:52,794 --> 00:45:54,462
It wasn't a drastic means.
877
00:45:54,546 --> 00:45:55,880
(audience groans)
878
00:45:55,964 --> 00:45:58,383
Foreman:
People are like, why bother?
879
00:45:58,425 --> 00:46:00,677
Why do I want to put
myself out for that?
880
00:46:01,011 --> 00:46:04,264
Are they actually going
to do anything about this?
881
00:46:04,347 --> 00:46:05,056
Probably not.
882
00:46:05,598 --> 00:46:08,059
Dee: It was weeks before
I ever heard from them again,
883
00:46:08,143 --> 00:46:11,688
and they told me that
this pro-- this, uh, violence
884
00:46:11,771 --> 00:46:13,732
would probably never come
to court or anything
885
00:46:13,815 --> 00:46:15,233
because they would
never be found.
886
00:46:16,317 --> 00:46:19,154
I think the most vital service
that AVP served
887
00:46:19,237 --> 00:46:21,698
was that people knew
there was an organization
888
00:46:21,781 --> 00:46:23,658
that wanted to hear
what had happened to them.
889
00:46:23,742 --> 00:46:26,286
Narrator:
If you've been victimized,
the New York City Gay
890
00:46:26,369 --> 00:46:29,497
and Lesbian Anti-Violence
Project can help you.
891
00:46:29,581 --> 00:46:30,832
Foreman:
We had a crisis line.
892
00:46:30,915 --> 00:46:33,043
The main thing is that
you survived the crime.
893
00:46:33,084 --> 00:46:34,961
-Uh, we do encourage...
-Wertheimer: The group decided
894
00:46:35,045 --> 00:46:36,921
to, uh, establish a hotline
895
00:46:37,005 --> 00:46:39,257
where individuals who wanted
to report crimes against them
896
00:46:39,341 --> 00:46:41,593
could, could call
for assistance,
897
00:46:41,801 --> 00:46:44,304
uh, for help in reporting crimes
to the police
898
00:46:44,387 --> 00:46:45,972
to document attacks
against them.
899
00:46:46,348 --> 00:46:49,100
And, uh, very quickly,
as that hotline was established,
900
00:46:49,392 --> 00:46:51,227
calls began to come in
from all over the city.
901
00:46:51,436 --> 00:46:54,939
The whole time I was at AVP,
it increased every year.
902
00:46:55,023 --> 00:46:56,983
Foreman: Our figures
continue to exceed
903
00:46:57,067 --> 00:46:59,652
the figures of
the NYPD bias unit
904
00:46:59,736 --> 00:47:01,363
by about seven to one.
905
00:47:01,446 --> 00:47:05,658
That ratio has been constant
in three of the four last years.
906
00:47:05,742 --> 00:47:07,369
We saw a lot of,
907
00:47:07,452 --> 00:47:09,120
you know, what we
were calling "pickup crimes,"
908
00:47:09,162 --> 00:47:10,955
or these, or these crimes
where somebody picks
909
00:47:10,997 --> 00:47:12,624
somebody up at a bar
910
00:47:12,957 --> 00:47:14,334
with the promise of, like,
911
00:47:14,417 --> 00:47:15,460
"We're gonna
go home together,
912
00:47:15,502 --> 00:47:16,378
we're gonna have sex."
913
00:47:16,461 --> 00:47:18,630
And then something
horrible happens.
914
00:47:19,089 --> 00:47:21,925
We get a tremendous number
of calls about pickup crimes.
915
00:47:21,966 --> 00:47:23,718
And, you know,
since it's a crime that happ...
916
00:47:23,802 --> 00:47:26,137
Hanson:
When we look at these cases,
917
00:47:26,179 --> 00:47:27,806
you know,
clearly Peter Anderson
918
00:47:27,889 --> 00:47:30,433
and Tom Mulcahy
were pickup crimes.
919
00:47:30,475 --> 00:47:33,645
They were last seen
at a gay bar,
920
00:47:33,728 --> 00:47:35,939
the Townhouse.
921
00:47:35,980 --> 00:47:38,692
And that's what we've seen
over and over again.
922
00:47:39,067 --> 00:47:40,819
I actually am
at the point now,
923
00:47:40,902 --> 00:47:44,030
where I feel like
we're getting hunted down.
924
00:47:45,323 --> 00:47:47,951
Foreman:
This is a map of the village
925
00:47:47,992 --> 00:47:51,162
in, in lower Chelsea
of anti-gay incidents
926
00:47:51,246 --> 00:47:54,666
during the first nine months
of 1991.
927
00:47:55,625 --> 00:47:56,960
Over six hundred.
928
00:47:57,669 --> 00:47:58,753
Six hundred.
929
00:47:59,337 --> 00:48:01,464
That's what it was like
working at AVP
930
00:48:01,506 --> 00:48:03,425
on a daily basis
was just--
931
00:48:03,842 --> 00:48:06,344
All those little dots represent
932
00:48:06,803 --> 00:48:10,015
someone being... brutalized.
933
00:48:19,649 --> 00:48:23,820
This was probably (sniffs)
one of the last pictures
934
00:48:23,862 --> 00:48:26,197
towards the end
of his life.
935
00:48:26,948 --> 00:48:28,366
In the last few years,
936
00:48:28,616 --> 00:48:33,079
he and I started to have
more kind of, real conversations
937
00:48:33,163 --> 00:48:36,374
about things beyond
just father-daughter,
938
00:48:36,416 --> 00:48:37,459
about life,
939
00:48:38,043 --> 00:48:42,005
just having
more adult mature talks,
940
00:48:42,047 --> 00:48:45,592
connecting about ideologies
and all of that.
941
00:48:46,301 --> 00:48:51,598
And I got the sense
that he was processing
942
00:48:52,057 --> 00:48:54,684
and confronting things that...
943
00:48:55,894 --> 00:48:57,228
had been buried.
944
00:48:59,981 --> 00:49:02,400
That's the hard--
the hardest part for me
945
00:49:02,484 --> 00:49:06,237
is, sort of,
that being cut short
946
00:49:06,321 --> 00:49:10,075
and not having
the opportunity
947
00:49:10,158 --> 00:49:12,911
to build that relationship
948
00:49:12,952 --> 00:49:15,080
with him further.
949
00:49:18,083 --> 00:49:19,584
(sharp inhale)
950
00:49:20,168 --> 00:49:21,503
Hoyt:
When I think about Peter,
951
00:49:21,586 --> 00:49:25,382
it's just, it's,
I-I still can't believe it.
952
00:49:26,591 --> 00:49:30,095
I think those years
when we had our relationship
953
00:49:30,136 --> 00:49:31,596
were important to Peter
954
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:36,184
because he finally had somebody
who he could hug.
955
00:49:39,312 --> 00:49:41,398
(sniffles)
956
00:49:41,439 --> 00:49:43,483
And would--
could get hugged back.
957
00:49:46,945 --> 00:49:49,948
There's layers to relationships
958
00:49:49,989 --> 00:49:51,199
and different things
959
00:49:51,282 --> 00:49:54,786
that I just don't know
that I can speak to.
960
00:49:55,995 --> 00:49:57,997
But my parents loved
each other,
961
00:49:58,081 --> 00:50:01,960
and I think they had
a real partnership in,
962
00:50:02,002 --> 00:50:04,295
in raising our family.
963
00:50:06,214 --> 00:50:11,970
So after he died,
my mom was a wife and a mother
964
00:50:12,053 --> 00:50:14,305
who was trying to make sure
965
00:50:14,347 --> 00:50:18,184
that this didn't get swept
under the rug.
966
00:50:19,019 --> 00:50:21,271
(inaudible)
967
00:50:21,646 --> 00:50:23,398
Chief Macauley:
We continued to work tips
968
00:50:23,481 --> 00:50:26,151
and leads that came in.
We never gave up.
969
00:50:26,192 --> 00:50:27,861
HANSON: I'm from
the Anti-Violence Project...
970
00:50:27,944 --> 00:50:29,279
Foreman:
At AVP,
971
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,073
we wanted to get the word out
to the community.
972
00:50:32,157 --> 00:50:34,200
"Did you see anything?
Do you remember anything?"
973
00:50:34,617 --> 00:50:36,745
And there was very little
to go on.
974
00:50:37,037 --> 00:50:37,996
Hanson: We were making
the connections
975
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:39,205
between these homicides
976
00:50:39,289 --> 00:50:41,416
because I absolutely believed
977
00:50:41,499 --> 00:50:42,959
that something was gonna
happen again,
978
00:50:43,001 --> 00:50:44,627
that somebody else
was gonna be killed.
979
00:50:44,878 --> 00:50:46,338
We cannot count
on anyone else
980
00:50:46,421 --> 00:50:47,964
to help us in this fight.
981
00:50:48,298 --> 00:50:50,508
When we see a brother
or a sister in trouble,
982
00:50:50,592 --> 00:50:51,593
don't turn our backs.
983
00:50:51,676 --> 00:50:54,346
Remember, it could be you
next time.
984
00:50:54,387 --> 00:50:58,641
Theodos: We were concerned
about, did we make a mistake?
985
00:50:59,434 --> 00:51:02,145
Was there something there
that we overlooked?
986
00:51:03,855 --> 00:51:06,733
And now was somebody gonna
die because of that mistake?
987
00:51:08,818 --> 00:51:11,237
Less than a year later,
988
00:51:11,321 --> 00:51:13,698
I get a phone call
from the guys that,
989
00:51:14,032 --> 00:51:15,784
"Hey, we got another one."
990
00:51:15,867 --> 00:51:16,951
(tense music playing)
991
00:51:17,035 --> 00:51:18,828
(radio static, distortion)
992
00:51:24,417 --> 00:51:25,710
("Safe" by
Debby Friday playing)
993
00:51:25,752 --> 00:51:31,424
♪ I watch the night
turn into day ♪
994
00:51:35,637 --> 00:51:41,142
♪ So many things
I dare not say ♪
995
00:51:45,689 --> 00:51:51,277
♪ Pacing a square
into a sphere ♪
996
00:51:55,824 --> 00:52:01,454
♪ So scared to check
if you're still there ♪
997
00:52:03,832 --> 00:52:08,712
♪ Are you still here?
Are you still near? ♪
998
00:52:08,795 --> 00:52:12,632
♪ Are you still safe? ♪
999
00:52:13,925 --> 00:52:18,847
♪ Are you still here?
Are you still near? ♪
1000
00:52:19,222 --> 00:52:23,810
♪ Are you still safe? ♪
1001
00:52:23,893 --> 00:52:29,232
♪ Oh... ♪
1002
00:53:11,316 --> 00:53:16,654
♪ ♪
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