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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:12,721 --> 00:00:14,764 (footsteps crunching) 2 00:00:26,651 --> 00:00:28,528 (car door opens) 3 00:00:28,611 --> 00:00:30,113 (keys jingling) 4 00:00:31,656 --> 00:00:32,531 (car door closes) 5 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:35,452 (engine starts) 6 00:00:35,660 --> 00:00:38,038 ("Hush, Hush, Sweet Charlotte" by Patti Page plays on radio) 7 00:00:38,121 --> 00:00:40,331 ♪ The red rose tells you ♪ 8 00:00:40,415 --> 00:00:43,418 ♪ Of his passion ♪ 9 00:00:43,501 --> 00:00:48,381 ♪ The white rose his love's so true ♪ 10 00:00:50,050 --> 00:00:55,013 ♪ Hush, hush, sweet Charlotte ♪ 11 00:00:55,055 --> 00:00:56,848 ♪ Charlotte ♪ 12 00:00:56,931 --> 00:01:00,060 ♪ Don't you cry ♪ 13 00:01:01,353 --> 00:01:04,522 ♪ Hush, hush, sweet Charlotte... ♪ 14 00:01:04,563 --> 00:01:06,149 Reporter: The murder of a married, 15 00:01:06,191 --> 00:01:07,734 middle-aged businessman 16 00:01:07,817 --> 00:01:08,777 from Massachusetts... 17 00:01:08,860 --> 00:01:11,071 (tense music playing) 18 00:01:14,157 --> 00:01:15,367 Man 1: The night the gentleman 19 00:01:15,408 --> 00:01:18,912 from Massachusetts disappeared, 20 00:01:18,995 --> 00:01:21,331 it was relatively quiet. 21 00:01:24,459 --> 00:01:26,836 Man 2: I think he saw this guy 22 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,589 across the room in the piano bar. 23 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:32,300 Man 1: And then they were gone. 24 00:01:33,718 --> 00:01:36,388 Next thing I know, there he is in the papers. 25 00:01:37,472 --> 00:01:38,973 He couldn't have seen it coming. 26 00:01:39,057 --> 00:01:41,476 And so many people were so terrified. 27 00:01:41,976 --> 00:01:44,437 Reporter: His body parts were found in plastic bags 28 00:01:44,521 --> 00:01:46,648 along roadways here in New Jersey, 29 00:01:46,731 --> 00:01:49,567 and his briefcase was left nearby. 30 00:01:52,070 --> 00:01:55,281 (wind whooshing) 31 00:01:57,158 --> 00:02:00,412 (dramatic theme music playing) 32 00:02:30,275 --> 00:02:32,652 Chief Thomas Macauley: I was working a regular shift 33 00:02:32,736 --> 00:02:35,155 when I was notified. 34 00:02:35,238 --> 00:02:38,324 A few of the Department of Transportation employees 35 00:02:38,408 --> 00:02:42,245 found a, uh, a human head in the back of their truck. 36 00:02:44,956 --> 00:02:46,750 Nick Theodos: Evidently, as maintenance workers 37 00:02:46,791 --> 00:02:49,711 were throwing the bags off the truck. 38 00:02:50,086 --> 00:02:52,589 one of the bags caught the edge of the wood 39 00:02:52,630 --> 00:02:54,466 and split open, 40 00:02:54,507 --> 00:02:57,344 and that's when they noticed the head. 41 00:02:58,845 --> 00:03:01,514 Around mile marker 70. 42 00:03:01,598 --> 00:03:04,976 They found the bags containing the legs. 43 00:03:08,897 --> 00:03:10,648 I worked numerous murders, 44 00:03:10,690 --> 00:03:13,902 but this wasn't like a normal crime scene. 45 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:16,946 It looked like somebody had washed the body 46 00:03:17,197 --> 00:03:19,741 and then used newspaper to wrap the body. 47 00:03:21,493 --> 00:03:24,871 Chief Macauley: Our victim was cut into seven pieces 48 00:03:25,829 --> 00:03:27,207 and packaged 49 00:03:27,665 --> 00:03:31,836 in several different trash bags. 50 00:03:31,920 --> 00:03:35,465 We went through each bag and collected what we could. 51 00:03:35,757 --> 00:03:38,885 Part of the body was wrapped in a, uh, shower curtain. 52 00:03:39,219 --> 00:03:42,180 There was a bag from a shopping center. 53 00:03:42,263 --> 00:03:43,765 Chief Macauley: A Liz Claiborne 54 00:03:43,848 --> 00:03:45,225 king size fitted sheet. 55 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,769 Theodos: We found a keyhole saw. 56 00:03:47,852 --> 00:03:49,187 We found some gloves. 57 00:03:49,646 --> 00:03:51,940 One of the bags contained his briefcase 58 00:03:52,023 --> 00:03:53,400 that had his, uh, wallet, 59 00:03:53,483 --> 00:03:55,567 which contained his driver's license. 60 00:03:56,611 --> 00:03:59,989 So at that point, we knew our victim was Thomas Mulcahy. 61 00:04:11,793 --> 00:04:13,420 Tracey O'Shea: I would say half of these photos 62 00:04:13,503 --> 00:04:16,548 are from trips of some sort. 63 00:04:17,882 --> 00:04:22,053 My dad really enjoyed taking us and traveling 64 00:04:22,137 --> 00:04:25,557 and, and showing us things and having us experience things. 65 00:04:26,558 --> 00:04:29,352 And being together as a family 66 00:04:29,394 --> 00:04:32,647 was definitely important to him. 67 00:04:32,731 --> 00:04:37,277 This is at my senior prom, I believe. 68 00:04:37,652 --> 00:04:40,989 He was just, you know, being sort of, Dad. 69 00:04:41,072 --> 00:04:41,948 (laughs) 70 00:04:44,075 --> 00:04:48,204 O'Shea: It was about six weeks before my 19th birthday 71 00:04:48,246 --> 00:04:50,498 when my father was killed. 72 00:04:52,667 --> 00:04:56,421 It's been, gosh, 31 years. 73 00:04:56,504 --> 00:05:00,425 So the hesitancy to put it out there 74 00:05:00,467 --> 00:05:03,803 and have, have it sort of resurface 75 00:05:03,887 --> 00:05:05,347 is just a lot. 76 00:05:06,348 --> 00:05:09,267 It's good to kind of, go back, 77 00:05:09,309 --> 00:05:12,228 and remember that point in my life 78 00:05:12,270 --> 00:05:16,066 where he was there, (chuckles) 79 00:05:16,149 --> 00:05:18,526 and able to do these things with him. 80 00:05:20,528 --> 00:05:23,490 My father was very kind, 81 00:05:23,573 --> 00:05:25,116 kind of gentle... 82 00:05:26,326 --> 00:05:28,870 funny in a quirky kind of way. 83 00:05:28,953 --> 00:05:30,747 (laughs) Um... 84 00:05:30,789 --> 00:05:34,959 This was more of his "chilling attire," 85 00:05:35,001 --> 00:05:37,587 even though he looks pretty buttoned up 86 00:05:37,629 --> 00:05:40,674 for gardening and being outside. 87 00:05:41,966 --> 00:05:44,969 I always felt like my dad was different 88 00:05:45,011 --> 00:05:47,222 than maybe a lot of the other dads that I grew up with. 89 00:05:47,305 --> 00:05:48,765 Not hugely. 90 00:05:49,599 --> 00:05:51,643 He loved our town 91 00:05:51,726 --> 00:05:56,481 and what it provided from a family perspective, 92 00:05:56,564 --> 00:06:00,193 but he was more, sort of, cosmopolitan, 93 00:06:00,777 --> 00:06:03,988 traveling to different parts of the world. 94 00:06:04,322 --> 00:06:06,491 His life seemed bigger than Sudbury. 95 00:06:08,410 --> 00:06:11,204 He was into Hollywood glamour, 96 00:06:11,913 --> 00:06:16,668 and he loved Broadway and "Chorus Line" 97 00:06:16,710 --> 00:06:20,130 and "La Cage aux Folles." 98 00:06:20,171 --> 00:06:23,425 I'd say the big thing was, he kind of, let us be ourselves, 99 00:06:23,508 --> 00:06:24,759 or let me be myself, 100 00:06:24,843 --> 00:06:28,847 and kind of, um, was encouraging in that way. 101 00:06:30,015 --> 00:06:31,599 In my teenage years, 102 00:06:31,683 --> 00:06:34,894 I sensed that there was more to him 103 00:06:34,978 --> 00:06:38,314 and the life that I experienced, 104 00:06:38,356 --> 00:06:39,858 there was more to it. 105 00:06:42,652 --> 00:06:44,988 Then he went down to New York 106 00:06:45,030 --> 00:06:47,157 on a business trip and... 107 00:06:49,325 --> 00:06:50,326 never came home. 108 00:06:50,368 --> 00:06:53,830 (solemn music playing) 109 00:06:58,043 --> 00:07:00,503 Chief Macauley: When we started trying to figure out 110 00:07:00,545 --> 00:07:03,465 how Mr. Mulcahy became a victim of a homicide, 111 00:07:03,882 --> 00:07:06,009 we started tracing his footsteps. 112 00:07:06,676 --> 00:07:08,887 And we found out that he was in New York 113 00:07:08,970 --> 00:07:09,763 for a presentation. 114 00:07:09,846 --> 00:07:13,058 My mom was in regular contact 115 00:07:13,892 --> 00:07:14,976 with the police 116 00:07:15,018 --> 00:07:16,394 and, and getting updates, 117 00:07:16,436 --> 00:07:18,146 especially in those early days. 118 00:07:20,398 --> 00:07:23,234 I know he had done his presentation 119 00:07:23,568 --> 00:07:25,695 at the World Trade Center, 120 00:07:26,112 --> 00:07:29,532 that he had with a colleague, 121 00:07:29,574 --> 00:07:32,243 that they had gone out to lunch afterwards 122 00:07:32,284 --> 00:07:34,329 and drank a lot of beers. 123 00:07:34,621 --> 00:07:36,122 The detectives shared with us 124 00:07:36,206 --> 00:07:39,709 that there was some ATM transaction somewhere. 125 00:07:39,751 --> 00:07:41,586 Through looking at his credit cards, 126 00:07:41,628 --> 00:07:44,297 we were able to track his movements. 127 00:07:44,923 --> 00:07:47,550 And he ultimately ended up at the Townhouse... 128 00:07:47,592 --> 00:07:49,803 Townhouse Pub in New York City. 129 00:07:52,097 --> 00:07:54,808 It was learned that, uh, that sometimes 130 00:07:54,891 --> 00:07:57,102 he went for male companionship. 131 00:08:02,273 --> 00:08:05,318 I was the last person to be seen 132 00:08:05,402 --> 00:08:07,278 with Thomas Mulcahy. 133 00:08:11,157 --> 00:08:15,286 It was a busy night, but it wasn't overly crowded. 134 00:08:15,662 --> 00:08:18,540 And I took my usual spot at the bar. 135 00:08:21,626 --> 00:08:25,213 My friend Jack came in with a friend of his from Boston 136 00:08:25,630 --> 00:08:27,799 named Thomas Mulcahy. 137 00:08:29,259 --> 00:08:31,261 I liked older, professional, 138 00:08:31,636 --> 00:08:33,513 well-dressed gentlemen. 139 00:08:34,472 --> 00:08:35,974 Uh, so he introduced me. 140 00:08:37,350 --> 00:08:39,811 Oh, he was a very handsome man. 141 00:08:40,602 --> 00:08:43,523 Tall, classic New England, 142 00:08:43,606 --> 00:08:46,818 Brooks Brothers, businessmen, 143 00:08:47,068 --> 00:08:49,154 executive look. 144 00:08:50,655 --> 00:08:53,033 I knew nothing about his home life, 145 00:08:53,116 --> 00:08:55,160 just that he was here on business. 146 00:08:56,995 --> 00:09:00,373 I would like to have spent more time with him, 147 00:09:00,457 --> 00:09:02,667 but I noticed 148 00:09:02,751 --> 00:09:06,671 that he was interested in someone else 149 00:09:06,713 --> 00:09:08,590 standing at the piano. 150 00:09:09,591 --> 00:09:12,052 So I politely excused myself. 151 00:09:13,595 --> 00:09:15,805 As I was leaving, I was curious 152 00:09:15,847 --> 00:09:19,184 as to who it might have caught his attention. 153 00:09:19,225 --> 00:09:24,022 So I did look back, and I did see one gentleman 154 00:09:24,105 --> 00:09:25,648 standing at the piano. 155 00:09:27,233 --> 00:09:28,860 I had not seen him before. 156 00:09:29,736 --> 00:09:31,112 Brown hair. 157 00:09:32,322 --> 00:09:34,574 Wearing a polo shirt. 158 00:09:35,492 --> 00:09:37,619 Kind of nondescript. 159 00:09:39,829 --> 00:09:41,706 Two or three days later, 160 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,959 I get a knock on my apartment door 161 00:09:45,043 --> 00:09:47,045 at about six o'clock in the morning. 162 00:09:47,629 --> 00:09:50,131 And it's detectives from the 17th Precinct 163 00:09:50,215 --> 00:09:51,883 informing me that Tom-- 164 00:09:52,384 --> 00:09:57,055 body parts had been found scattered throughout New Jersey. 165 00:09:57,097 --> 00:10:00,350 ♪ ♪ 166 00:10:07,023 --> 00:10:10,819 O'Shea: In the months after my father was murdered, 167 00:10:10,902 --> 00:10:14,531 the details were kind of unraveling. 168 00:10:14,572 --> 00:10:16,408 We had, kind of, a session 169 00:10:16,449 --> 00:10:18,576 as a family, um, 170 00:10:18,660 --> 00:10:21,204 with a therapist. 171 00:10:21,371 --> 00:10:22,831 Um, 172 00:10:22,914 --> 00:10:26,084 and I think the way it was said, 173 00:10:26,126 --> 00:10:28,503 was that my dad had another life, 174 00:10:28,586 --> 00:10:30,755 and that that life was gay. 175 00:10:33,925 --> 00:10:36,636 And then... I learned 176 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,347 that a few years prior, 177 00:10:39,639 --> 00:10:41,808 after he returned from a business trip, 178 00:10:42,058 --> 00:10:44,853 my mom found some brochures 179 00:10:44,936 --> 00:10:48,440 around gay bars in London 180 00:10:48,523 --> 00:10:50,108 or something like that. 181 00:10:50,191 --> 00:10:54,404 Um, from my understanding, my mom and dad 182 00:10:54,446 --> 00:10:56,031 wanted to-- 183 00:10:56,489 --> 00:10:58,491 they made a choice to work on things 184 00:10:58,575 --> 00:11:01,703 and, um... 185 00:11:03,288 --> 00:11:04,330 be in therapy. 186 00:11:07,959 --> 00:11:12,881 In my world, homosexuality wasn't really talked about. 187 00:11:14,632 --> 00:11:16,968 Not that I was afraid of it 188 00:11:17,010 --> 00:11:19,012 or opposed to it or anything like that, 189 00:11:19,095 --> 00:11:22,474 but I just didn't really have much exposure 190 00:11:22,557 --> 00:11:27,395 to what being gay was. 191 00:11:29,314 --> 00:11:34,444 Just having gone through my dad being murdered, 192 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:36,654 being dismembered, 193 00:11:36,988 --> 00:11:39,532 being alongside the Garden State Parkway, 194 00:11:39,616 --> 00:11:41,993 like, and now I'm being told he's gay. 195 00:11:42,035 --> 00:11:44,913 Like, (voice breaking) what else is gonna... 196 00:11:47,248 --> 00:11:48,290 happen? 197 00:11:51,336 --> 00:11:54,255 (somber music playing) 198 00:11:55,924 --> 00:11:58,343 (ambient street sounds) 199 00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:08,645 With the gay community? 200 00:12:08,687 --> 00:12:10,480 Probably with the gay community, yeah. 201 00:12:12,023 --> 00:12:15,110 When we started investigating and going to the bars 202 00:12:15,193 --> 00:12:17,404 that were known to be frequented 203 00:12:17,487 --> 00:12:18,780 by the gay community, 204 00:12:18,988 --> 00:12:21,908 we had contacted, uh, in New York City, 205 00:12:21,991 --> 00:12:24,703 the Gay Lesbian Anti-Violence Project, 206 00:12:25,245 --> 00:12:28,456 and, uh, mentioned to them that we had this case 207 00:12:28,540 --> 00:12:30,834 and that, um, you know, 208 00:12:30,875 --> 00:12:32,877 if there was any way that they could help. 209 00:12:33,712 --> 00:12:36,214 Bea Hanson: The Anti-Violence Project was founded in 1980, 210 00:12:36,297 --> 00:12:39,718 and it was founded in order to respond to a rash 211 00:12:39,759 --> 00:12:42,846 of anti-gay bias attacks that were happening. 212 00:12:43,304 --> 00:12:44,889 We called ourselves the New York City Gay 213 00:12:44,973 --> 00:12:46,558 and Lesbian Anti-Violence Project. 214 00:12:47,183 --> 00:12:50,270 And at AVP, we functioned kind of as a connector 215 00:12:50,353 --> 00:12:53,773 between the police department and the community in some ways. 216 00:12:53,857 --> 00:12:56,568 Matt Foreman: We're doing precinct sensitivity training programs. 217 00:12:56,651 --> 00:12:59,946 We're training state police in New Jersey. Uh, we're try... 218 00:13:00,030 --> 00:13:02,240 The New Jersey State Police knew about us 219 00:13:02,323 --> 00:13:05,535 because I was doing sensitivity training class 220 00:13:05,577 --> 00:13:06,745 with them for a whole year 221 00:13:06,828 --> 00:13:09,039 because they had a horrible reputation 222 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:10,373 of harassing gay men. 223 00:13:10,915 --> 00:13:13,877 Hanson: The New Jersey State Police 224 00:13:13,918 --> 00:13:16,254 called me wanting help, 225 00:13:16,296 --> 00:13:18,048 wanting any information we could, 226 00:13:18,089 --> 00:13:19,591 we could help them with. 227 00:13:19,966 --> 00:13:23,595 And they had no clue about the gay community. 228 00:13:24,137 --> 00:13:27,057 I mean, uh, you know, it's just a different world. 229 00:13:27,098 --> 00:13:29,476 Hang on to those wigs and pumps, 'cause here we go. 230 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:33,188 (funky electronic music playing) 231 00:13:37,942 --> 00:13:40,028 Hanson: When I first moved to New York, 232 00:13:40,445 --> 00:13:41,821 you know, I came in '86, 233 00:13:41,905 --> 00:13:43,490 New York was really a place, 234 00:13:43,573 --> 00:13:45,784 and I think for a lot of Queer people then, 235 00:13:45,825 --> 00:13:48,787 it was a place where you felt like, 236 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:50,705 you could be who you are. 237 00:13:50,789 --> 00:13:52,123 Person 1: I love New York. 238 00:13:52,207 --> 00:13:55,794 Thank you, New York, for being so fabulous. 239 00:13:56,127 --> 00:13:58,421 Foreman: Our movement was just growing. 240 00:13:58,963 --> 00:14:00,298 Person 2: So gay today. 241 00:14:00,340 --> 00:14:02,467 Foreman: Everything was just burgeoning 242 00:14:02,759 --> 00:14:04,302 in terms of gay life. 243 00:14:04,678 --> 00:14:07,639 I think it's hard for straight people to understand 244 00:14:07,722 --> 00:14:11,810 what it felt like to walk into a gay bar back then. 245 00:14:11,851 --> 00:14:13,770 ("Show Me Love" by Robin S. playing) 246 00:14:14,145 --> 00:14:16,523 ♪ You've got to show me love ♪ 247 00:14:16,606 --> 00:14:19,567 ♪ ♪ 248 00:14:19,901 --> 00:14:22,028 ♪ Heartbreaks and promises ♪ 249 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,406 ♪ I've had more than my share ♪ 250 00:14:24,656 --> 00:14:26,991 Foreman: I remember the first gay bar I walked into, 251 00:14:27,033 --> 00:14:28,993 I thought, "Oh, my God, I've been missing this 252 00:14:29,035 --> 00:14:30,036 my entire life." 253 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:31,329 It just felt like home. 254 00:14:31,705 --> 00:14:33,331 ♪ Show me, show me baby ♪ 255 00:14:33,373 --> 00:14:37,377 It was, uh, sexual. Very sexual. 256 00:14:37,460 --> 00:14:40,213 Narrator: Come to Man's Country and develop your body 257 00:14:40,296 --> 00:14:42,632 or a friendship with somebody else's. 258 00:14:43,216 --> 00:14:44,551 Hanson: We had the Clit Club. 259 00:14:44,634 --> 00:14:48,430 It was really like, the "dyke coming out, 260 00:14:48,513 --> 00:14:50,932 sex-positive place." 261 00:14:51,016 --> 00:14:53,018 I loved going there. 262 00:14:53,059 --> 00:14:54,352 David Wertheimer: Queer bars were 263 00:14:54,394 --> 00:14:56,021 one of the few places in the community 264 00:14:56,104 --> 00:14:58,023 where we could come and feel safe. 265 00:14:58,398 --> 00:15:01,109 Hi. What are we doing here today at Marie's Crisis? 266 00:15:01,192 --> 00:15:03,695 Piano bars, poppers, Barbra Streisand, 267 00:15:03,737 --> 00:15:04,946 the whole deal, you know? 268 00:15:05,572 --> 00:15:06,531 Yes! 269 00:15:06,573 --> 00:15:10,035 (singing) ♪ And all because of the man... ♪ 270 00:15:10,076 --> 00:15:11,161 Wertheimer: And there were people 271 00:15:11,202 --> 00:15:15,248 who, because they... hated gay people, 272 00:15:15,331 --> 00:15:17,709 or were afraid of gay people, or were afraid of feelings 273 00:15:17,792 --> 00:15:19,919 they may have had themselves, 274 00:15:20,003 --> 00:15:21,254 would come to places like this 275 00:15:21,338 --> 00:15:23,631 specifically with the intention of doing harm. 276 00:15:25,258 --> 00:15:26,968 Hanson: There was always this kind of... 277 00:15:27,886 --> 00:15:31,181 "You got to watch your back at the same time too," sort of feeling. 278 00:15:31,222 --> 00:15:32,599 Reporter 1: It all started just after midnight 279 00:15:32,682 --> 00:15:34,976 when a pipe bomb exploded in a West Village bar 280 00:15:35,060 --> 00:15:36,478 called Uncle Charlie's. 281 00:15:36,561 --> 00:15:37,771 A six-inch pipe bomb 282 00:15:37,854 --> 00:15:39,606 had been placed in a trash can. 283 00:15:39,689 --> 00:15:40,857 It exploded inside the club, 284 00:15:40,899 --> 00:15:42,567 injuring a bar worker and two patrons. 285 00:15:42,650 --> 00:15:44,819 Reporter 2: Bouquets of flowers and the candles 286 00:15:44,903 --> 00:15:46,488 at the door of the Ramrod bar. 287 00:15:46,571 --> 00:15:48,239 They're really symbols of the mourning, 288 00:15:48,281 --> 00:15:49,908 the feeling of mourning for the two dead 289 00:15:49,991 --> 00:15:51,201 and the others who have been shot. 290 00:15:51,242 --> 00:15:52,660 Mike DeLa Hoz: This is ridiculous! 291 00:15:53,119 --> 00:15:54,454 I want to live my life out. 292 00:15:54,537 --> 00:15:56,498 I don't want to be killed on these streets. 293 00:15:56,581 --> 00:15:57,582 It's ridiculous! 294 00:15:57,624 --> 00:15:58,415 (sniffles) 295 00:15:58,458 --> 00:15:59,918 I mean, you know what it is to be, 296 00:15:59,959 --> 00:16:02,170 to be assaulted for just being alive? 297 00:16:02,253 --> 00:16:04,297 I mean, for being what you want to be. 298 00:16:05,423 --> 00:16:09,010 If there's one thing that is universal, 299 00:16:09,427 --> 00:16:12,681 in my experience to LGBTQ people, 300 00:16:13,431 --> 00:16:16,893 that we all know intuitively, it's violence. 301 00:16:16,935 --> 00:16:19,104 So you used to do-- you, you admit 302 00:16:19,187 --> 00:16:20,772 that you used to do gay bashing? 303 00:16:20,855 --> 00:16:22,232 Guest: Yeah. Fag bashing. 304 00:16:22,899 --> 00:16:24,025 Oprah: And why would you do this? 305 00:16:24,109 --> 00:16:27,946 Uh, we were young and full of goofiness, 306 00:16:27,987 --> 00:16:29,280 and we just-- 307 00:16:29,322 --> 00:16:31,282 it was the thing to do on a Friday or Saturday night. 308 00:16:31,324 --> 00:16:33,827 Yeah. And so did that give you pleasure doing that? 309 00:16:33,910 --> 00:16:35,203 At the time? It was fun, yes. 310 00:16:35,578 --> 00:16:37,747 We had cases where guys would come in with, 311 00:16:37,789 --> 00:16:40,625 to the West Village and Chelsea with golf clubs. 312 00:16:40,709 --> 00:16:43,169 There's no golf course in the West Village and Chelsea. 313 00:16:43,253 --> 00:16:46,256 Simply to use those to, to beat up gay people. 314 00:16:46,297 --> 00:16:48,383 -(protestors shouting) -(whistling) 315 00:16:48,883 --> 00:16:52,762 Hanson: And, you know, the AIDS crisis was raging. 316 00:16:53,638 --> 00:16:56,266 One of the things we saw is people were targeted 317 00:16:56,307 --> 00:16:57,809 because they looked sick, 318 00:16:58,309 --> 00:17:00,478 because gay people and gay men, you know, 319 00:17:00,562 --> 00:17:03,148 were, were blamed for HIV and AIDS. 320 00:17:03,231 --> 00:17:05,983 So the AIDS crisis, the epidemic of AIDS 321 00:17:06,067 --> 00:17:09,988 and violence definitely connected and increased. 322 00:17:10,070 --> 00:17:11,156 Foreman: It's in all of us. 323 00:17:11,239 --> 00:17:15,242 That fear of being hurt 324 00:17:15,326 --> 00:17:16,661 because we're queer. 325 00:17:17,037 --> 00:17:19,164 Probably not a program goes by on "Gay USA" 326 00:17:19,204 --> 00:17:22,000 where we don't talk about the rising tide of anti-gay 327 00:17:22,083 --> 00:17:23,501 and anti-lesbian violence. 328 00:17:23,542 --> 00:17:27,672 "Gay USA" is a weekly one hour news show... 329 00:17:27,714 --> 00:17:29,174 (lively show theme playing) 330 00:17:29,215 --> 00:17:30,383 Andy Humm: ...about everything that happens 331 00:17:30,467 --> 00:17:33,053 in the LGBTQIA community. 332 00:17:33,136 --> 00:17:34,429 The brutal beating of... 333 00:17:34,512 --> 00:17:37,390 Whenever anybody was beat up 334 00:17:37,474 --> 00:17:40,685 or something bad happened, we'd talk about it. 335 00:17:41,102 --> 00:17:43,271 Hate crimes against gays and lesbians 336 00:17:43,355 --> 00:17:45,357 are up all over the country. 337 00:17:46,775 --> 00:17:48,401 You know, I've had people try 338 00:17:48,485 --> 00:17:50,528 to run me over in their car because of it. 339 00:17:51,154 --> 00:17:55,575 My best friend was beaten severely in Brooklyn. 340 00:17:55,825 --> 00:17:57,869 He had to live with me because his jaw was broken. 341 00:17:58,244 --> 00:18:00,038 Guest: Two guys walked towards me, 342 00:18:00,121 --> 00:18:03,166 and call-- one of them called me a faggot. 343 00:18:03,208 --> 00:18:04,501 The one who was closest had his, 344 00:18:04,542 --> 00:18:06,086 -his arm up-- -Oprah: Mm-hmm. 345 00:18:06,169 --> 00:18:10,298 and, um, stabbed me in the shoulder. 346 00:18:10,382 --> 00:18:12,717 I had so much repressed anger 347 00:18:12,801 --> 00:18:15,345 at how we were being treated. 348 00:18:15,387 --> 00:18:18,973 (indistinct shouting) 349 00:18:19,057 --> 00:18:20,392 Foreman: I was just furious, 350 00:18:20,433 --> 00:18:22,435 and I wanted to do something about it. 351 00:18:22,811 --> 00:18:24,729 Reporter: Can you spell your last name for me? 352 00:18:24,979 --> 00:18:26,398 F-O-R-E-M-A-N. 353 00:18:26,439 --> 00:18:28,149 Executive director of New York City 354 00:18:28,233 --> 00:18:30,151 Gay and Lesbian Anti-Violence Project. 355 00:18:30,568 --> 00:18:32,737 Reporter: You told me yesterday that the Anti-Violence Project 356 00:18:32,779 --> 00:18:35,240 has been around for ten years, um, here in New York. 357 00:18:35,323 --> 00:18:36,574 What's new that's happening? 358 00:18:36,616 --> 00:18:39,077 What's the phenomenon that you see happening? 359 00:18:39,411 --> 00:18:42,247 What's new is this alarming escalation 360 00:18:42,288 --> 00:18:44,124 in anti-gay and anti-lesbian crime. 361 00:18:44,207 --> 00:18:46,126 It's been on the increase for years... 362 00:18:46,209 --> 00:18:47,877 Every day, more and more, 363 00:18:47,919 --> 00:18:52,757 especially on Monday mornings, we'd have 10, 20 new reports, 364 00:18:52,841 --> 00:18:54,926 which meant 10, 20 people 365 00:18:55,010 --> 00:18:56,344 that needed to be reached out to 366 00:18:56,428 --> 00:18:57,846 to talk to, to help. 367 00:18:58,179 --> 00:19:01,599 Our job was to be there for the survivors, 368 00:19:02,100 --> 00:19:04,644 try to help them navigate the system, 369 00:19:04,728 --> 00:19:08,023 whether it was crime victim, uh, compensation for their injuries, 370 00:19:08,106 --> 00:19:11,276 or to help them deal with the psychological trauma of it. 371 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:12,736 If you're a member of this community, 372 00:19:12,777 --> 00:19:14,696 if you're a lesbian or a gay man in this community 373 00:19:14,779 --> 00:19:17,574 and you've been victimized, come to AVP. 374 00:19:17,615 --> 00:19:19,993 I mean, that's, that's the root. 375 00:19:20,076 --> 00:19:21,286 That's the bottom line there. 376 00:19:21,703 --> 00:19:24,956 It was very much trying to push law enforcement 377 00:19:24,998 --> 00:19:26,458 to give a shit. 378 00:19:28,293 --> 00:19:29,794 Foreman: In the Mulcahy case, 379 00:19:29,836 --> 00:19:32,756 Bea was the front person with the police. 380 00:19:33,131 --> 00:19:36,301 I was pretty involved with keeping on top 381 00:19:36,384 --> 00:19:38,345 of the New Jersey Police Department, 382 00:19:38,636 --> 00:19:41,723 helping them connect them to the Townhouse. 383 00:19:44,893 --> 00:19:47,812 The Townhouse wasn't really connected in 384 00:19:47,854 --> 00:19:48,855 with, you know, 385 00:19:49,272 --> 00:19:51,483 the Queer organized community 386 00:19:51,941 --> 00:19:54,736 like, in the, in the West Village and in Chelsea. 387 00:19:54,819 --> 00:19:57,572 There was out gay people everywhere. 388 00:19:57,906 --> 00:19:59,407 But this is uptown. 389 00:19:59,741 --> 00:20:02,035 This was kind of a bar where a lot of, like, 390 00:20:02,118 --> 00:20:03,495 guys in suits went. 391 00:20:03,578 --> 00:20:05,872 A lot of closeted guys went. 392 00:20:06,414 --> 00:20:08,375 I would characterize it back then 393 00:20:08,458 --> 00:20:10,627 as a place for older gentlemen 394 00:20:10,669 --> 00:20:14,339 and, and younger men who like older gentlemen. 395 00:20:14,381 --> 00:20:15,465 Michael Ferreri: For these men, 396 00:20:15,507 --> 00:20:17,801 The Townhouse provided anonymity. 397 00:20:18,426 --> 00:20:21,179 So they felt safe that anyone coming here 398 00:20:21,221 --> 00:20:22,514 was obviously gay. 399 00:20:22,847 --> 00:20:27,435 And, uh, if they're here, well, you know, you're here, too. 400 00:20:30,021 --> 00:20:32,023 Chief Macauley: We went in the Townhouse several times 401 00:20:32,065 --> 00:20:33,566 to, uh, interview people, 402 00:20:33,650 --> 00:20:36,319 but they had no additional information to offer. 403 00:20:37,612 --> 00:20:41,700 Foreman: I think a lot of potential tips 404 00:20:41,783 --> 00:20:43,284 were missed because 405 00:20:43,618 --> 00:20:47,330 the way in which they approached people at the Townhouse, 406 00:20:47,914 --> 00:20:51,501 with very little finesse, as I understand it. 407 00:20:52,627 --> 00:20:55,463 It's very difficult, especially in a bar like The Townhouse 408 00:20:55,547 --> 00:20:57,882 where people were pretty closeted, 409 00:20:58,633 --> 00:21:01,386 that they didn't really want to get involved with police. 410 00:21:01,845 --> 00:21:04,639 (tense music playing) 411 00:21:07,017 --> 00:21:09,769 Theodos: So we tracked down all of the items 412 00:21:09,853 --> 00:21:11,896 that were recovered from the scene. 413 00:21:13,106 --> 00:21:14,691 We checked on the Pergament bag 414 00:21:14,733 --> 00:21:16,818 where the keyhole saw was purchased. 415 00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:18,319 We called Pergament. 416 00:21:18,403 --> 00:21:19,988 "We have a, a keyhole saw. 417 00:21:20,572 --> 00:21:23,700 Could you tell us where somebody might buy this saw?" 418 00:21:23,950 --> 00:21:25,702 And they say, "Well, what's the SKU number?" 419 00:21:25,744 --> 00:21:27,537 And when we give them the SKU number, 420 00:21:27,579 --> 00:21:31,041 they say, "Okay, that was shipped to Staten Island." 421 00:21:32,167 --> 00:21:34,711 Chief Macauley: We couldn't identify which Pergament it came from. 422 00:21:34,753 --> 00:21:37,922 We took a SKU number from the latex gloves, 423 00:21:38,298 --> 00:21:39,716 and it, it identified the location 424 00:21:39,758 --> 00:21:42,093 where those latex gloves were purchased, 425 00:21:42,260 --> 00:21:44,596 which was a CVS on, on Staten Island. 426 00:21:44,971 --> 00:21:47,223 And there was only one CVS on Staten Island. 427 00:21:47,891 --> 00:21:50,268 And talking to the management at the CVS, 428 00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:51,895 these gloves were probably purchased 429 00:21:52,187 --> 00:21:55,940 within, like, a two-month period prior to this homicide. 430 00:21:56,274 --> 00:21:57,567 And in that aisle, 431 00:21:57,609 --> 00:21:59,486 directly across from the, from the gloves 432 00:21:59,569 --> 00:22:02,280 was a box of, um, of trash bags 433 00:22:02,364 --> 00:22:03,615 that were similar to the trash bags 434 00:22:03,698 --> 00:22:05,867 that, that the victim was found in. 435 00:22:07,744 --> 00:22:10,538 Theodos: They were all in Staten Island. 436 00:22:10,622 --> 00:22:12,123 When we go back 30 years ago, 437 00:22:12,290 --> 00:22:16,503 there wasn't the camera presence that you have today, right? 438 00:22:16,586 --> 00:22:18,963 If you probably bought that today, 439 00:22:19,297 --> 00:22:21,341 you'd probably have somebody on video, 440 00:22:21,633 --> 00:22:24,427 but, uh, not lucky enough. 441 00:22:26,221 --> 00:22:29,140 Chief Macauley: We also tried lifting several fingerprints 442 00:22:29,182 --> 00:22:31,393 from the Mulcahy bags. 443 00:22:32,477 --> 00:22:34,729 You put it in a sealed container 444 00:22:34,771 --> 00:22:35,939 with superglue 445 00:22:36,147 --> 00:22:37,816 and you apply heat to it, 446 00:22:38,024 --> 00:22:40,819 and your prints are, are raised off that item. 447 00:22:41,236 --> 00:22:42,487 But with our bags, 448 00:22:43,321 --> 00:22:44,864 uh, it wasn't quite sealed. 449 00:22:45,824 --> 00:22:48,493 So we didn't get the prints at that time from those bags. 450 00:22:50,662 --> 00:22:52,622 We were trying to find any leads 451 00:22:52,664 --> 00:22:54,499 or anything we could discover. 452 00:22:55,542 --> 00:22:56,751 Chief Macauley: Lucky for us, 453 00:22:56,835 --> 00:22:58,753 every homicide that we had, 454 00:22:58,837 --> 00:23:01,756 we were required to submit it into ViCAP no matter what. 455 00:23:02,257 --> 00:23:06,594 ViCAP stands for Violent Criminal Apprehension Program, 456 00:23:07,262 --> 00:23:10,974 and is the analysis of similar cases 457 00:23:11,016 --> 00:23:12,100 throughout the country. 458 00:23:12,851 --> 00:23:15,186 Theodos: So we submitted the ViCAP form. 459 00:23:15,228 --> 00:23:17,105 And once it went into the database, 460 00:23:17,188 --> 00:23:20,692 the algorithms would push out if there was anything similar 461 00:23:20,734 --> 00:23:23,486 based on the crime scene description. 462 00:23:24,696 --> 00:23:27,991 It came back that there was a very similar case 463 00:23:28,825 --> 00:23:30,326 in 1991. 464 00:23:30,368 --> 00:23:32,871 (intense music playing) 465 00:23:32,954 --> 00:23:35,248 Reporter: Police say he was stabbed to death. 466 00:23:35,331 --> 00:23:37,876 So far, no motive, no suspects. 467 00:23:40,378 --> 00:23:41,963 Chief Macauley: We realized 468 00:23:42,047 --> 00:23:44,632 this person has done this previously. 469 00:23:51,473 --> 00:23:52,557 Carl Harnish: Okay, here. 470 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,059 And then we're going west. 471 00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:55,518 Jay Musser: Here's, here's the bridge. 472 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,103 -Harnish: Yeah. -Musser: So this is Mannheim. 473 00:23:57,187 --> 00:24:00,231 So it has to be right around somewhere in around in here. 474 00:24:00,315 --> 00:24:01,900 Harnish: Redding. Oh, we're going-- 475 00:24:02,567 --> 00:24:04,152 Musser: We're going-- That's where the body was found. 476 00:24:04,194 --> 00:24:06,279 Harnish: Where's 72? Yeah. Okay. 477 00:24:06,905 --> 00:24:10,992 This is the location where the barrel was located. 478 00:24:11,076 --> 00:24:12,744 At a, uh, rest stop. 479 00:24:12,994 --> 00:24:14,245 It's just a wide area. 480 00:24:14,537 --> 00:24:17,123 He was about 40 to 45 feet off the road. 481 00:24:17,374 --> 00:24:18,500 Yeah, okay. 482 00:24:19,042 --> 00:24:21,670 Harnish: We were in charge of Lancaster County. 483 00:24:22,087 --> 00:24:25,882 This, of course, is where the Pennsylvania Dutch live. 484 00:24:26,424 --> 00:24:28,885 Musser: It's different from the city. 485 00:24:28,927 --> 00:24:30,887 We didn't have a lot of homicides. 486 00:24:33,723 --> 00:24:36,476 Harnish: The person who found the body in the barrel 487 00:24:36,851 --> 00:24:39,479 was a maintenance employee. 488 00:24:40,980 --> 00:24:43,024 I think he tore at least three bags open 489 00:24:43,108 --> 00:24:46,194 before he realized, "Oh, it's a body." 490 00:25:20,687 --> 00:25:23,815 He immediately radios his office. 491 00:25:23,898 --> 00:25:26,359 I'm notified, Jay's notified, 492 00:25:26,818 --> 00:25:29,946 and immediately we went to the scene. 493 00:25:29,988 --> 00:25:31,406 Musser: When I got to the scene, 494 00:25:31,656 --> 00:25:33,616 the body was on the ground, 495 00:25:33,658 --> 00:25:36,202 removed from the, the 55-gallon barrel. 496 00:25:37,620 --> 00:25:39,456 The only thing that really caught my attention 497 00:25:39,497 --> 00:25:41,207 was how clean the body was. 498 00:25:41,499 --> 00:25:42,667 With him being stabbed 499 00:25:42,751 --> 00:25:45,045 and this big gaping hole in his stomach, 500 00:25:46,004 --> 00:25:47,172 there had to be a lot of blood, 501 00:25:47,464 --> 00:25:50,216 and yet there was nothing, and his whole torso was clean. 502 00:25:50,300 --> 00:25:51,509 I saw that. 503 00:25:51,593 --> 00:25:53,887 And for the moment, I didn't see anything else. 504 00:25:55,305 --> 00:25:56,514 Musser: Five days later, 505 00:25:56,598 --> 00:25:59,017 approximately 38 miles east of that, 506 00:25:59,059 --> 00:26:01,853 that's where his personal belongings were found. 507 00:26:02,687 --> 00:26:04,189 They found his clothes 508 00:26:04,606 --> 00:26:05,982 driver's license... 509 00:26:06,316 --> 00:26:08,860 Harnish: That's the first time the name come up. 510 00:26:09,903 --> 00:26:11,488 That was Peter Anderson. 511 00:26:12,238 --> 00:26:14,657 Musser: That's when the investigations really started. 512 00:26:14,908 --> 00:26:17,911 You've got to find the trail. "When was Peter last seen?" 513 00:26:25,710 --> 00:26:29,047 (vehicles passing by) 514 00:26:33,885 --> 00:26:35,929 Tony Hoyt: I met Peter... 515 00:26:36,012 --> 00:26:37,681 let me think, I've got, 516 00:26:37,722 --> 00:26:40,016 I've gotta just do a little arithmetic here. 517 00:26:41,309 --> 00:26:43,228 (softly) '63... 518 00:26:43,728 --> 00:26:45,730 I'd say that I probably met Peter 519 00:26:45,814 --> 00:26:49,234 in 1964 or 1965. 520 00:26:50,235 --> 00:26:51,611 In New York. 521 00:26:53,947 --> 00:26:55,990 We were all hanging out in the city together, 522 00:26:56,074 --> 00:26:58,243 some party or something like that. 523 00:27:00,578 --> 00:27:03,748 I remember he was very dapper. 524 00:27:04,749 --> 00:27:06,918 He was always dressed to the nines. 525 00:27:07,252 --> 00:27:11,256 In perfectly pressed Brooks Brothers suit. 526 00:27:11,339 --> 00:27:12,757 Always wore a bow tie. 527 00:27:13,008 --> 00:27:15,552 And he had a little round face. 528 00:27:15,593 --> 00:27:17,637 He was very enthusiastic about, 529 00:27:18,179 --> 00:27:21,307 about life and about meeting people. 530 00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:24,894 He went to Trinity. He was a smart guy. 531 00:27:27,897 --> 00:27:29,607 He liked to entertain, 532 00:27:29,691 --> 00:27:31,484 and he'd have little dinner parties 533 00:27:31,568 --> 00:27:34,821 and he always liked to keep the cocktail hour going 534 00:27:34,904 --> 00:27:37,073 for hour after hour. 535 00:27:38,658 --> 00:27:40,410 The-- I sensed that there was some sort 536 00:27:40,493 --> 00:27:42,120 of electricity between the two of us. 537 00:27:43,413 --> 00:27:46,374 But we didn't talk about it, because you didn't talk 538 00:27:46,458 --> 00:27:47,959 about those things. 539 00:27:48,001 --> 00:27:49,836 And then I got married. 540 00:27:51,254 --> 00:27:54,341 Once I got married, I moved to Long Island. 541 00:27:54,424 --> 00:27:55,842 I had the kids. 542 00:27:57,469 --> 00:27:58,428 Peter and I... 543 00:28:00,180 --> 00:28:02,140 we just went our separate ways 544 00:28:03,099 --> 00:28:04,017 for a while. 545 00:28:07,479 --> 00:28:09,147 (Director speaking) 546 00:28:18,406 --> 00:28:19,741 Yeah. I, I, I think I can, 547 00:28:19,824 --> 00:28:21,451 I think I can answer that question. 548 00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:26,498 First night when there was hanky-panky. 549 00:28:26,956 --> 00:28:29,626 I hadn't seen him in... (trills lips) 550 00:28:29,668 --> 00:28:31,670 six or seven years. 551 00:28:31,711 --> 00:28:32,754 And one night, 552 00:28:33,213 --> 00:28:37,258 I had a client dinner in the city. 553 00:28:38,134 --> 00:28:40,845 After dinner was over, I'd missed the last train, 554 00:28:41,262 --> 00:28:44,140 and I'd had too much to drink. 555 00:28:44,182 --> 00:28:47,185 I called Peter on the payphone. Cost a dime. 556 00:28:47,686 --> 00:28:48,937 And I said, 557 00:28:49,020 --> 00:28:51,690 "I, I need a place to sleep. Can I spend the night?" 558 00:28:52,232 --> 00:28:54,109 And he said, "Sure, come on up." 559 00:28:54,192 --> 00:28:56,277 Well, one thing led to another, 560 00:28:56,361 --> 00:29:00,031 and that was the start of, of our relationship. 561 00:29:02,784 --> 00:29:04,869 Peter was the first guy I was with. 562 00:29:06,037 --> 00:29:07,872 No words were spoken. 563 00:29:08,707 --> 00:29:10,709 It just happened. 564 00:29:10,792 --> 00:29:12,669 We were both attracted to each other, 565 00:29:13,044 --> 00:29:15,922 and, uh, we had some pretty good sex. 566 00:29:17,215 --> 00:29:19,968 It was quite a romance because we were so close 567 00:29:20,051 --> 00:29:21,845 and we were so intimate. 568 00:29:23,388 --> 00:29:24,514 We fit together. 569 00:29:26,516 --> 00:29:28,560 And we were safe together. 570 00:29:28,893 --> 00:29:32,063 It's trust. We trusted each other. 571 00:29:32,105 --> 00:29:36,401 Obviously, this relationship could not see the light of day, 572 00:29:36,443 --> 00:29:38,695 or we would both be in serious trouble. 573 00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:43,658 Me with my wife and my family and Peter at the Bank of-- 574 00:29:43,742 --> 00:29:45,285 Bank, Bank of New York. 575 00:29:46,036 --> 00:29:49,539 Where I grew up, uh, everybody was straight. 576 00:29:50,540 --> 00:29:51,750 One wasn't gay, 577 00:29:52,083 --> 00:29:53,752 one was not a homosexual. 578 00:29:54,002 --> 00:29:57,589 One grew up, went to school, went to college, 579 00:29:58,089 --> 00:30:00,759 got out of college, got married, had babies, and died. 580 00:30:01,259 --> 00:30:05,138 And that's what nice, nice people did. 581 00:30:05,263 --> 00:30:09,100 (cheerful vintage music playing) 582 00:30:09,809 --> 00:30:11,269 Lieutenant Williams: I'm Lieutenant Williams, 583 00:30:11,311 --> 00:30:14,022 a police officer attached to the juvenile division. 584 00:30:14,272 --> 00:30:16,858 I'm on my way to talk to a group of young people. 585 00:30:17,317 --> 00:30:19,736 Humm: Before Stonewall, no one was out 586 00:30:19,778 --> 00:30:21,780 except, you know, ten people. Alright? 587 00:30:22,072 --> 00:30:25,950 Coming out was considered insanity before that. 588 00:30:25,992 --> 00:30:27,118 "Are you out of your mind? 589 00:30:27,202 --> 00:30:28,828 Why would you tell anybody this?" 590 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,498 In the old days, psychiatrists, 591 00:30:31,748 --> 00:30:33,708 they were making so much money 592 00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:35,794 off making gay people think we were sick. 593 00:30:36,044 --> 00:30:38,838 Lieutenant Williams: What Jimmy didn't know was that Ralph was sick. 594 00:30:39,005 --> 00:30:42,092 A sickness that was not visible like smallpox 595 00:30:42,133 --> 00:30:44,636 but no less dangerous and contagious. 596 00:30:44,719 --> 00:30:46,513 A sickness of the mind. 597 00:30:47,097 --> 00:30:49,683 You see, Ralph was a homosexual. 598 00:30:49,766 --> 00:30:52,268 Even when the psychiatrists removed us 599 00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:56,314 from the index of mental disorders in 1973, 600 00:30:56,356 --> 00:31:00,527 the psychiatrist who testified for it wore a big, ugly mask. 601 00:31:01,319 --> 00:31:04,489 If he was identified, he was gonna lose his job. 602 00:31:06,157 --> 00:31:09,452 Foreman: Back in the '50s and '60s and '70s, 603 00:31:09,494 --> 00:31:10,870 if you came out, 604 00:31:11,413 --> 00:31:14,124 you would, in fact, lose your job. 605 00:31:14,416 --> 00:31:17,544 You would, in fact, be thrown out of your church, 606 00:31:17,836 --> 00:31:19,254 you would lose your children. 607 00:31:19,504 --> 00:31:22,132 Narrator: The CBS News Public Opinion survey indicates 608 00:31:22,173 --> 00:31:24,009 that sentiment is against permitting 609 00:31:24,092 --> 00:31:25,510 homosexual relationships 610 00:31:25,552 --> 00:31:29,222 between consenting adults without legal punishment. 611 00:31:29,514 --> 00:31:32,017 Man: I was terribly frightened by the homosexual feelings 612 00:31:32,058 --> 00:31:34,019 and the guilt associated 613 00:31:34,060 --> 00:31:35,729 with having feelings of attraction 614 00:31:35,812 --> 00:31:37,022 towards other males. 615 00:31:37,188 --> 00:31:40,483 (pensive music playing) 616 00:31:44,362 --> 00:31:47,407 Hoyt: One night, Peter said to me, 617 00:31:48,033 --> 00:31:49,367 "Well, I've got something to tell you." 618 00:31:49,409 --> 00:31:50,702 And I said, "Well, what's that?" 619 00:31:50,785 --> 00:31:52,871 And he said, "I'm going to get married." 620 00:31:52,954 --> 00:31:54,205 And I said, "You what?" 621 00:31:55,540 --> 00:31:56,666 It was his cover. 622 00:31:57,542 --> 00:31:58,585 He needed a cover. 623 00:31:58,668 --> 00:32:00,170 And, um, I said, 624 00:32:00,211 --> 00:32:02,922 "Well, this is... good for you." 625 00:32:03,923 --> 00:32:05,633 (inaudible dialogue) 626 00:32:06,259 --> 00:32:07,427 Hoyt: It wasn't an issue. 627 00:32:07,510 --> 00:32:09,095 "Well, well, God, we're, 628 00:32:10,096 --> 00:32:11,890 "we're in bed together, maybe we should, 629 00:32:11,973 --> 00:32:14,726 "maybe we should talk about this. 630 00:32:14,768 --> 00:32:16,227 Uh, maybe we should come out." 631 00:32:17,562 --> 00:32:20,565 We didn't really know anybody who was out. 632 00:32:22,192 --> 00:32:23,735 And he said, "It doesn't necessarily have to end." 633 00:32:23,777 --> 00:32:25,362 I said, "No, it doesn't." 634 00:32:25,987 --> 00:32:27,364 But it did. 635 00:32:29,741 --> 00:32:31,576 The last time I saw him, he was getting married 636 00:32:31,618 --> 00:32:33,244 the next week. 637 00:32:33,328 --> 00:32:35,163 And after that, I didn't see him 638 00:32:35,246 --> 00:32:40,043 until that night in-in New York City in 1991. 639 00:32:44,589 --> 00:32:46,466 Reporter: Lancaster police have identified him 640 00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:48,635 as Peter Anderson of Philadelphia. 641 00:32:48,718 --> 00:32:51,763 He was a former Assistant Vice President of Mellon Bank. 642 00:32:51,846 --> 00:32:53,973 (ambient street noise) 643 00:32:55,225 --> 00:32:57,143 Harnish: With his identification, 644 00:32:57,227 --> 00:32:59,187 we knew where he lived. 645 00:32:59,938 --> 00:33:02,565 Trooper Musser obtained a search warrant 646 00:33:02,857 --> 00:33:05,443 for Peter's apartment in Philadelphia. 647 00:33:06,569 --> 00:33:07,987 Musser: Went through the apartment 648 00:33:08,071 --> 00:33:09,781 with Trooper Kevin Dykes. 649 00:33:09,864 --> 00:33:11,449 Just going through anything to see 650 00:33:12,075 --> 00:33:14,119 if we can find any, any more leads. 651 00:34:01,583 --> 00:34:03,168 The gay thing wasn't really relevant 652 00:34:03,251 --> 00:34:05,503 to the investigation other than finding out 653 00:34:05,587 --> 00:34:07,797 who might've killed him and where he hung out. 654 00:34:10,050 --> 00:34:11,551 Harnish: We conducted interviews 655 00:34:11,634 --> 00:34:13,803 at various bars in-in Philadelphia 656 00:34:13,844 --> 00:34:18,516 that we knew or had heard that Peter frequented. 657 00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:21,353 Musser: One of the interviews let us know that 658 00:34:21,436 --> 00:34:24,188 Peter went to New York on a Friday 659 00:34:24,272 --> 00:34:26,483 for a fundraiser 660 00:34:26,524 --> 00:34:28,860 in the apartment of Robert Brown, 661 00:34:29,235 --> 00:34:31,196 up by Central Park West. 662 00:34:32,405 --> 00:34:34,657 I guess he ran into an old relationship, 663 00:34:34,699 --> 00:34:35,617 an old friend. 664 00:34:39,286 --> 00:34:41,623 Hoyt: At the time, I was living in New York. 665 00:34:41,706 --> 00:34:45,377 I was working. I was publisher of "House Beautiful" magazine. 666 00:34:47,379 --> 00:34:49,964 A good friend of mine, Robby, 667 00:34:50,047 --> 00:34:51,382 was giving a fundraiser. 668 00:34:51,424 --> 00:34:53,217 For Tony Brooks, who was running, 669 00:34:53,301 --> 00:34:54,719 I think, for city council. 670 00:34:57,555 --> 00:34:59,891 I walked into Robby's apartment, 671 00:35:00,433 --> 00:35:01,893 and there was a table set up 672 00:35:02,227 --> 00:35:04,396 and sitting at the table collecting money 673 00:35:04,437 --> 00:35:07,816 and checking off names was Peter Stickney Anderson. 674 00:35:08,191 --> 00:35:10,235 And we looked at each other and said, "Holy Christ. 675 00:35:10,276 --> 00:35:11,528 How long has it been?" 676 00:35:14,197 --> 00:35:15,407 He had the same bow tie on 677 00:35:15,490 --> 00:35:17,534 and the same Brooks Brothers suit. 678 00:35:18,702 --> 00:35:19,744 And there he was. 679 00:35:21,746 --> 00:35:24,666 And we gave each other, I'm sure, a big hug. 680 00:35:25,917 --> 00:35:27,377 It was great to see him. 681 00:35:28,253 --> 00:35:30,088 We'd gone on. He'd had a kid. 682 00:35:30,171 --> 00:35:31,339 He'd gotten married. 683 00:35:31,423 --> 00:35:33,091 He was married twice. He was like me. 684 00:35:33,174 --> 00:35:34,551 He was a slow learner. 685 00:35:38,972 --> 00:35:41,307 As the party wound down, 686 00:35:41,391 --> 00:35:43,268 Peter had a good buzz going, 687 00:35:43,601 --> 00:35:45,145 and he said, 688 00:35:45,228 --> 00:35:46,229 "Let's go have a drink somewhere." 689 00:35:46,271 --> 00:35:47,147 And I said, "Fine." 690 00:35:47,230 --> 00:35:48,106 "Where should we go?" 691 00:35:48,189 --> 00:35:49,649 He said, "Well, the Townhouse 692 00:35:50,442 --> 00:35:53,278 58th Street between 2nd and 3rd." 693 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,323 We went to the back of the room 694 00:35:58,074 --> 00:36:01,578 and ordered a cocktail, maybe two. 695 00:36:02,996 --> 00:36:08,209 And, uh, suddenly the bartender said, uh, to Peter, 696 00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:11,129 "I'm sorry, you've had too much to drink 697 00:36:11,171 --> 00:36:13,381 and I can't serve you any more liquor." 698 00:36:15,425 --> 00:36:16,843 So I said, "Look, 699 00:36:17,302 --> 00:36:20,764 why don't I get you a room at the Waldorf Astoria?" 700 00:36:24,017 --> 00:36:27,312 Went to the payphone, called the Waldorf Astoria, 701 00:36:27,354 --> 00:36:28,938 made a reservation for him. 702 00:36:32,859 --> 00:36:35,487 Took him down the stairs at the Townhouse. 703 00:36:38,281 --> 00:36:40,700 Put him in a taxi, told the cab driver 704 00:36:40,784 --> 00:36:42,702 to take him to the Waldorf Astoria. 705 00:36:46,164 --> 00:36:49,709 And I said, "Peter, great to see you." 706 00:36:49,959 --> 00:36:53,338 (pensive music playing) 707 00:37:03,973 --> 00:37:05,850 (Robby Browne speaking) 708 00:37:31,876 --> 00:37:35,088 Myself and Trooper Dykes went up there to interview Robert Brown, 709 00:37:35,171 --> 00:37:36,631 who ha-- hosted the party. 710 00:37:36,965 --> 00:37:39,009 (Robby Browne speaking) 711 00:37:56,901 --> 00:38:00,405 Hoyt: I went up to Robby's, and these two state troopers 712 00:38:00,447 --> 00:38:02,073 from Pennsylvania were there. 713 00:38:03,366 --> 00:38:04,451 They talked about, 714 00:38:04,993 --> 00:38:07,328 "Mr. Brown, you had a party on Friday night." 715 00:38:07,412 --> 00:38:08,580 Da-dee-da-dee-da. 716 00:38:08,955 --> 00:38:12,542 He whips out a picture of Peter and shows it to Robby and said, 717 00:38:12,584 --> 00:38:14,919 "Was this gentleman at your party?" 718 00:38:15,003 --> 00:38:16,087 And Robby said, yes. 719 00:38:16,171 --> 00:38:17,339 And then he showed me the picture. 720 00:38:17,422 --> 00:38:19,424 He said, "Do you know who this is?" 721 00:38:19,466 --> 00:38:21,092 I said, "Yeah, it's Peter Anderson." 722 00:38:21,593 --> 00:38:23,303 Then we found out that, we found out 723 00:38:23,386 --> 00:38:24,846 that he'd been killed 724 00:38:26,556 --> 00:38:29,517 and where he'd been found and how he'd been found. 725 00:38:30,477 --> 00:38:31,644 It was terrible. 726 00:38:34,105 --> 00:38:35,023 Terrible. 727 00:38:41,112 --> 00:38:44,324 The Pennsylvania guys asked me a couple of questions, 728 00:38:44,407 --> 00:38:46,368 and I told them what I knew 729 00:38:46,451 --> 00:38:48,703 about the Waldorf Astoria reservation. 730 00:38:49,287 --> 00:38:51,456 We followed up on the Waldorf Astoria, 731 00:38:52,123 --> 00:38:54,793 and they recalled him being there. 732 00:38:54,834 --> 00:38:58,463 Peter arrived up at the check-in desk, drunk, 733 00:38:58,505 --> 00:39:00,131 and started to check in. 734 00:39:00,215 --> 00:39:01,966 And there was a bellman or somebody 735 00:39:02,008 --> 00:39:06,012 who he started to, sort of, pinch his butt. 736 00:39:06,388 --> 00:39:09,974 And the guy said, "I don't come with the room." 737 00:39:10,767 --> 00:39:13,103 So they put him back out on the boulevard, 738 00:39:13,186 --> 00:39:14,938 and that was the last anybody saw him. 739 00:39:17,691 --> 00:39:19,401 We checked the cab company, but they told us 740 00:39:19,484 --> 00:39:21,486 nobody's tracking where they go, 741 00:39:21,528 --> 00:39:22,821 what they do or nothing like that. 742 00:39:22,862 --> 00:39:25,949 So cabs was a zip. 743 00:39:26,032 --> 00:39:27,325 The train station was a zip. 744 00:39:27,659 --> 00:39:30,120 Where he went after that, nobody knew. 745 00:39:31,663 --> 00:39:33,707 Hoyt: I think Peter probably forgot 746 00:39:33,790 --> 00:39:37,168 that he'd been turned off by the Townhouse bartender. 747 00:39:37,502 --> 00:39:41,131 He'd been 86'd and, uh, went back to the Townhouse. 748 00:39:41,423 --> 00:39:44,384 (suspenseful music playing) 749 00:39:46,928 --> 00:39:48,346 Musser: We didn't go to the Townhouse. 750 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,725 In hindsight, maybe it would have been a good idea 751 00:39:51,808 --> 00:39:53,351 to follow up with the Townhouse. 752 00:39:53,685 --> 00:39:56,354 I mean, it would be nice if we had a picture. 753 00:39:56,771 --> 00:39:58,106 We could have went over there. 754 00:39:58,690 --> 00:40:01,901 At that time, we didn't know it was a, a gay bar. 755 00:40:03,028 --> 00:40:04,195 I don't know anything about 756 00:40:04,279 --> 00:40:05,822 where all the gay bars in New York are. 757 00:40:05,864 --> 00:40:07,741 I don't know about anything about the community. 758 00:40:08,074 --> 00:40:09,451 It really is irrelevant. 759 00:40:09,534 --> 00:40:11,036 I mean, we don't-- all we do-- 760 00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:12,537 All we know is we got a body, 761 00:40:12,996 --> 00:40:14,456 and we gotta find out who would do it, 762 00:40:14,539 --> 00:40:16,708 but it's not really relevant to anything. 763 00:40:18,585 --> 00:40:20,628 Hoyt: So after that initial rush, 764 00:40:20,712 --> 00:40:24,049 you know, the initial times with the state troopers, 765 00:40:24,132 --> 00:40:25,258 it went quiet. 766 00:40:25,342 --> 00:40:26,509 I think it went quiet. 767 00:40:27,635 --> 00:40:31,514 Harnish: There wasn't any information developing on it. 768 00:40:31,598 --> 00:40:34,100 You take the investigation until you have no more leads. 769 00:40:34,392 --> 00:40:35,727 And then once you have no more leads, 770 00:40:35,769 --> 00:40:37,729 then you have to move on. 771 00:40:38,730 --> 00:40:42,817 And so after five months, I moved on to another job. 772 00:40:42,901 --> 00:40:43,777 So... 773 00:40:51,409 --> 00:40:53,661 (Director speaking) 774 00:40:57,832 --> 00:41:01,670 Yeah. Why is the emphasis on the gay part? 775 00:41:06,091 --> 00:41:08,968 (pensive music playing) 776 00:41:15,433 --> 00:41:16,851 Hanson: We have so many examples 777 00:41:16,935 --> 00:41:18,687 of law enforcement thinking 778 00:41:18,770 --> 00:41:23,108 that they're doing the right thing... 779 00:41:23,149 --> 00:41:26,277 where they were more kind of connecting to, 780 00:41:26,611 --> 00:41:28,488 you know, the evidence that they had collected 781 00:41:28,571 --> 00:41:30,490 and, and looking at that. 782 00:41:31,700 --> 00:41:34,244 But they weren't really connecting 783 00:41:34,285 --> 00:41:35,453 to the community. 784 00:41:36,371 --> 00:41:40,709 What we saw that law enforcement couldn't see was 785 00:41:40,792 --> 00:41:44,379 that this was connected to a larger problem. 786 00:41:44,671 --> 00:41:46,965 And I think some of that's deliberate, 787 00:41:47,048 --> 00:41:49,384 and I think some of it is just unconscious. 788 00:41:49,467 --> 00:41:53,096 We saw working with the NYPD 789 00:41:53,138 --> 00:41:55,098 that more often than not, 790 00:41:55,473 --> 00:41:59,185 the police back then were either indifferent or hostile. 791 00:41:59,269 --> 00:42:02,272 (indistinct shouting) 792 00:42:02,313 --> 00:42:03,648 Crowd (chanting): Shame! Shame! 793 00:42:03,732 --> 00:42:05,108 Wertheimer: The New York City Police Department 794 00:42:05,150 --> 00:42:06,818 is, is a huge entity. 795 00:42:07,485 --> 00:42:09,320 There are some 30,000 police officers, 796 00:42:09,404 --> 00:42:12,574 and those police officers represent, very frequently, 797 00:42:12,657 --> 00:42:13,742 the full spectrum 798 00:42:13,825 --> 00:42:15,201 of attitudes and opinions about lesbians 799 00:42:15,285 --> 00:42:17,370 and gay men that you see in the larger population, 800 00:42:17,454 --> 00:42:19,497 which may include hostile feelings. 801 00:42:19,539 --> 00:42:21,833 When you're talking about homosexuals, 802 00:42:21,875 --> 00:42:24,210 you're talking about somebody that commits a crime. 803 00:42:25,128 --> 00:42:27,589 Uh... what they do. 804 00:42:27,672 --> 00:42:28,590 Interviewer: What do you mean? 805 00:42:28,673 --> 00:42:29,674 It's sodomy. 806 00:42:29,758 --> 00:42:31,051 And sodomy is a crime. 807 00:42:31,885 --> 00:42:35,889 Foreman: The NYPD is a, a military operation. 808 00:42:36,389 --> 00:42:41,561 It is a very macho operation. 809 00:42:41,644 --> 00:42:43,355 And, uh... 810 00:42:44,689 --> 00:42:48,068 I mean, to this day, homophobia is rampant. 811 00:42:49,361 --> 00:42:51,112 It was deadly dangerous. 812 00:42:54,532 --> 00:42:56,701 It was prevalent within the ranks. 813 00:42:57,452 --> 00:42:58,870 I'm not saying every cop was like this. 814 00:42:58,912 --> 00:43:00,747 There were so many cops I worked with back then 815 00:43:00,830 --> 00:43:03,833 that were just amazing, beautiful human beings. 816 00:43:05,251 --> 00:43:07,045 But before I came out, 817 00:43:07,128 --> 00:43:08,338 the fear I felt... 818 00:43:09,547 --> 00:43:11,883 within the NYPD was significant. 819 00:43:12,967 --> 00:43:14,761 Um... 820 00:43:14,844 --> 00:43:16,888 I really felt that I couldn't be visible. 821 00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:19,307 I really felt like I wouldn't survive 822 00:43:19,391 --> 00:43:20,350 if I came out. 823 00:43:21,643 --> 00:43:24,062 I can remember being in my locker room 824 00:43:24,104 --> 00:43:27,357 and one of the older cops that were there, 825 00:43:27,941 --> 00:43:31,111 um, really aggressive cop, you know, one of the cops 826 00:43:31,194 --> 00:43:34,698 that you don't want to run into, uh, in the streets, 827 00:43:34,739 --> 00:43:37,409 came into the locker room furious, 828 00:43:37,450 --> 00:43:39,619 slamming the locker room door closed 829 00:43:39,703 --> 00:43:42,372 and screaming out, "Fucking faggots! 830 00:43:42,789 --> 00:43:45,417 "If I ever find out one of us is a fucking faggot, 831 00:43:45,458 --> 00:43:48,378 "I'm gonna blow his fucking head off by accident, 832 00:43:48,420 --> 00:43:50,088 running up the stairs on a job." 833 00:43:52,716 --> 00:43:53,675 And I'm changing. 834 00:43:53,758 --> 00:43:54,801 And when he said that, I was like, 835 00:43:54,884 --> 00:43:56,928 "Holy shit, I'm not coming out. 836 00:43:57,971 --> 00:44:00,223 I'm not coming out. Not here." 837 00:44:06,604 --> 00:44:09,190 (solemn music playing) 838 00:44:10,275 --> 00:44:11,568 Foreman: We knew that there had been 839 00:44:11,609 --> 00:44:12,902 these horrific crimes 840 00:44:13,236 --> 00:44:17,907 and yet no sign of the NYPD taking it seriously. 841 00:44:17,949 --> 00:44:20,869 I don't want to minimize how challenging 842 00:44:20,952 --> 00:44:22,203 a case like this would be 843 00:44:22,287 --> 00:44:25,457 to try to find witnesses and pursue them and-- 844 00:44:25,498 --> 00:44:26,666 But... 845 00:44:27,709 --> 00:44:29,961 inexplicable that NYPD 846 00:44:30,003 --> 00:44:32,797 wouldn't have just mobilized for this. 847 00:44:32,964 --> 00:44:35,717 And... and they didn't. 848 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,012 It was extremely difficult to understand 849 00:44:39,095 --> 00:44:41,806 what the NYPD was responsible for. 850 00:44:41,848 --> 00:44:44,059 And it was never clear to me 851 00:44:44,142 --> 00:44:48,313 who was responsible for what. 852 00:44:48,355 --> 00:44:50,315 Musser: When we went to New York, we stopped at the precinct 853 00:44:50,357 --> 00:44:51,983 and told them what we were there for. 854 00:44:52,025 --> 00:44:54,319 But I don't know how much they were involved. 855 00:44:57,447 --> 00:44:59,824 Harnish: The jurisdictions that were involved. 856 00:44:59,866 --> 00:45:02,160 You have Philadelphia and you have New York City. 857 00:45:03,995 --> 00:45:07,332 Aggravating part to me is we're not in our home turf. 858 00:45:07,374 --> 00:45:10,585 We don't know where we're at when we go to those places. 859 00:45:10,669 --> 00:45:12,921 So that puts us at a handicap. 860 00:45:15,006 --> 00:45:16,758 Hanson: I think, for the NYPD, 861 00:45:16,841 --> 00:45:19,094 it's like, "Eh, it didn't happen here." 862 00:45:22,639 --> 00:45:24,766 The reality is they really didn't want 863 00:45:24,849 --> 00:45:27,894 to get involved in the gay community. 864 00:45:28,853 --> 00:45:31,272 One thing I don't understand about the assault problem 865 00:45:31,314 --> 00:45:32,440 is when you're assaulted, 866 00:45:32,482 --> 00:45:33,858 why can't you just press charges 867 00:45:33,942 --> 00:45:35,652 regardless of whether you're gay or not? 868 00:45:35,694 --> 00:45:36,986 You would think that would be so. 869 00:45:37,028 --> 00:45:38,697 -Guest: There is why-- -Dee. Let me get Dee in here. 870 00:45:38,780 --> 00:45:39,864 Dee: Okay. When I was assaulted, 871 00:45:39,906 --> 00:45:41,199 I was taken to the emergency room 872 00:45:41,241 --> 00:45:44,911 because the police failed to respond to the call. 873 00:45:44,994 --> 00:45:46,746 When the police officers, 874 00:45:46,830 --> 00:45:49,124 uh, come into the emergency room, 875 00:45:49,207 --> 00:45:52,711 they, uh, suggested that this was a lover's quarrel. 876 00:45:52,794 --> 00:45:54,462 It wasn't a drastic means. 877 00:45:54,546 --> 00:45:55,880 (audience groans) 878 00:45:55,964 --> 00:45:58,383 Foreman: People are like, why bother? 879 00:45:58,425 --> 00:46:00,677 Why do I want to put myself out for that? 880 00:46:01,011 --> 00:46:04,264 Are they actually going to do anything about this? 881 00:46:04,347 --> 00:46:05,056 Probably not. 882 00:46:05,598 --> 00:46:08,059 Dee: It was weeks before I ever heard from them again, 883 00:46:08,143 --> 00:46:11,688 and they told me that this pro-- this, uh, violence 884 00:46:11,771 --> 00:46:13,732 would probably never come to court or anything 885 00:46:13,815 --> 00:46:15,233 because they would never be found. 886 00:46:16,317 --> 00:46:19,154 I think the most vital service that AVP served 887 00:46:19,237 --> 00:46:21,698 was that people knew there was an organization 888 00:46:21,781 --> 00:46:23,658 that wanted to hear what had happened to them. 889 00:46:23,742 --> 00:46:26,286 Narrator: If you've been victimized, the New York City Gay 890 00:46:26,369 --> 00:46:29,497 and Lesbian Anti-Violence Project can help you. 891 00:46:29,581 --> 00:46:30,832 Foreman: We had a crisis line. 892 00:46:30,915 --> 00:46:33,043 The main thing is that you survived the crime. 893 00:46:33,084 --> 00:46:34,961 -Uh, we do encourage... -Wertheimer: The group decided 894 00:46:35,045 --> 00:46:36,921 to, uh, establish a hotline 895 00:46:37,005 --> 00:46:39,257 where individuals who wanted to report crimes against them 896 00:46:39,341 --> 00:46:41,593 could, could call for assistance, 897 00:46:41,801 --> 00:46:44,304 uh, for help in reporting crimes to the police 898 00:46:44,387 --> 00:46:45,972 to document attacks against them. 899 00:46:46,348 --> 00:46:49,100 And, uh, very quickly, as that hotline was established, 900 00:46:49,392 --> 00:46:51,227 calls began to come in from all over the city. 901 00:46:51,436 --> 00:46:54,939 The whole time I was at AVP, it increased every year. 902 00:46:55,023 --> 00:46:56,983 Foreman: Our figures continue to exceed 903 00:46:57,067 --> 00:46:59,652 the figures of the NYPD bias unit 904 00:46:59,736 --> 00:47:01,363 by about seven to one. 905 00:47:01,446 --> 00:47:05,658 That ratio has been constant in three of the four last years. 906 00:47:05,742 --> 00:47:07,369 We saw a lot of, 907 00:47:07,452 --> 00:47:09,120 you know, what we were calling "pickup crimes," 908 00:47:09,162 --> 00:47:10,955 or these, or these crimes where somebody picks 909 00:47:10,997 --> 00:47:12,624 somebody up at a bar 910 00:47:12,957 --> 00:47:14,334 with the promise of, like, 911 00:47:14,417 --> 00:47:15,460 "We're gonna go home together, 912 00:47:15,502 --> 00:47:16,378 we're gonna have sex." 913 00:47:16,461 --> 00:47:18,630 And then something horrible happens. 914 00:47:19,089 --> 00:47:21,925 We get a tremendous number of calls about pickup crimes. 915 00:47:21,966 --> 00:47:23,718 And, you know, since it's a crime that happ... 916 00:47:23,802 --> 00:47:26,137 Hanson: When we look at these cases, 917 00:47:26,179 --> 00:47:27,806 you know, clearly Peter Anderson 918 00:47:27,889 --> 00:47:30,433 and Tom Mulcahy were pickup crimes. 919 00:47:30,475 --> 00:47:33,645 They were last seen at a gay bar, 920 00:47:33,728 --> 00:47:35,939 the Townhouse. 921 00:47:35,980 --> 00:47:38,692 And that's what we've seen over and over again. 922 00:47:39,067 --> 00:47:40,819 I actually am at the point now, 923 00:47:40,902 --> 00:47:44,030 where I feel like we're getting hunted down. 924 00:47:45,323 --> 00:47:47,951 Foreman: This is a map of the village 925 00:47:47,992 --> 00:47:51,162 in, in lower Chelsea of anti-gay incidents 926 00:47:51,246 --> 00:47:54,666 during the first nine months of 1991. 927 00:47:55,625 --> 00:47:56,960 Over six hundred. 928 00:47:57,669 --> 00:47:58,753 Six hundred. 929 00:47:59,337 --> 00:48:01,464 That's what it was like working at AVP 930 00:48:01,506 --> 00:48:03,425 on a daily basis was just-- 931 00:48:03,842 --> 00:48:06,344 All those little dots represent 932 00:48:06,803 --> 00:48:10,015 someone being... brutalized. 933 00:48:19,649 --> 00:48:23,820 This was probably (sniffs) one of the last pictures 934 00:48:23,862 --> 00:48:26,197 towards the end of his life. 935 00:48:26,948 --> 00:48:28,366 In the last few years, 936 00:48:28,616 --> 00:48:33,079 he and I started to have more kind of, real conversations 937 00:48:33,163 --> 00:48:36,374 about things beyond just father-daughter, 938 00:48:36,416 --> 00:48:37,459 about life, 939 00:48:38,043 --> 00:48:42,005 just having more adult mature talks, 940 00:48:42,047 --> 00:48:45,592 connecting about ideologies and all of that. 941 00:48:46,301 --> 00:48:51,598 And I got the sense that he was processing 942 00:48:52,057 --> 00:48:54,684 and confronting things that... 943 00:48:55,894 --> 00:48:57,228 had been buried. 944 00:48:59,981 --> 00:49:02,400 That's the hard-- the hardest part for me 945 00:49:02,484 --> 00:49:06,237 is, sort of, that being cut short 946 00:49:06,321 --> 00:49:10,075 and not having the opportunity 947 00:49:10,158 --> 00:49:12,911 to build that relationship 948 00:49:12,952 --> 00:49:15,080 with him further. 949 00:49:18,083 --> 00:49:19,584 (sharp inhale) 950 00:49:20,168 --> 00:49:21,503 Hoyt: When I think about Peter, 951 00:49:21,586 --> 00:49:25,382 it's just, it's, I-I still can't believe it. 952 00:49:26,591 --> 00:49:30,095 I think those years when we had our relationship 953 00:49:30,136 --> 00:49:31,596 were important to Peter 954 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:36,184 because he finally had somebody who he could hug. 955 00:49:39,312 --> 00:49:41,398 (sniffles) 956 00:49:41,439 --> 00:49:43,483 And would-- could get hugged back. 957 00:49:46,945 --> 00:49:49,948 There's layers to relationships 958 00:49:49,989 --> 00:49:51,199 and different things 959 00:49:51,282 --> 00:49:54,786 that I just don't know that I can speak to. 960 00:49:55,995 --> 00:49:57,997 But my parents loved each other, 961 00:49:58,081 --> 00:50:01,960 and I think they had a real partnership in, 962 00:50:02,002 --> 00:50:04,295 in raising our family. 963 00:50:06,214 --> 00:50:11,970 So after he died, my mom was a wife and a mother 964 00:50:12,053 --> 00:50:14,305 who was trying to make sure 965 00:50:14,347 --> 00:50:18,184 that this didn't get swept under the rug. 966 00:50:19,019 --> 00:50:21,271 (inaudible) 967 00:50:21,646 --> 00:50:23,398 Chief Macauley: We continued to work tips 968 00:50:23,481 --> 00:50:26,151 and leads that came in. We never gave up. 969 00:50:26,192 --> 00:50:27,861 HANSON: I'm from the Anti-Violence Project... 970 00:50:27,944 --> 00:50:29,279 Foreman: At AVP, 971 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,073 we wanted to get the word out to the community. 972 00:50:32,157 --> 00:50:34,200 "Did you see anything? Do you remember anything?" 973 00:50:34,617 --> 00:50:36,745 And there was very little to go on. 974 00:50:37,037 --> 00:50:37,996 Hanson: We were making the connections 975 00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:39,205 between these homicides 976 00:50:39,289 --> 00:50:41,416 because I absolutely believed 977 00:50:41,499 --> 00:50:42,959 that something was gonna happen again, 978 00:50:43,001 --> 00:50:44,627 that somebody else was gonna be killed. 979 00:50:44,878 --> 00:50:46,338 We cannot count on anyone else 980 00:50:46,421 --> 00:50:47,964 to help us in this fight. 981 00:50:48,298 --> 00:50:50,508 When we see a brother or a sister in trouble, 982 00:50:50,592 --> 00:50:51,593 don't turn our backs. 983 00:50:51,676 --> 00:50:54,346 Remember, it could be you next time. 984 00:50:54,387 --> 00:50:58,641 Theodos: We were concerned about, did we make a mistake? 985 00:50:59,434 --> 00:51:02,145 Was there something there that we overlooked? 986 00:51:03,855 --> 00:51:06,733 And now was somebody gonna die because of that mistake? 987 00:51:08,818 --> 00:51:11,237 Less than a year later, 988 00:51:11,321 --> 00:51:13,698 I get a phone call from the guys that, 989 00:51:14,032 --> 00:51:15,784 "Hey, we got another one." 990 00:51:15,867 --> 00:51:16,951 (tense music playing) 991 00:51:17,035 --> 00:51:18,828 (radio static, distortion) 992 00:51:24,417 --> 00:51:25,710 ("Safe" by Debby Friday playing) 993 00:51:25,752 --> 00:51:31,424 ♪ I watch the night turn into day ♪ 994 00:51:35,637 --> 00:51:41,142 ♪ So many things I dare not say ♪ 995 00:51:45,689 --> 00:51:51,277 ♪ Pacing a square into a sphere ♪ 996 00:51:55,824 --> 00:52:01,454 ♪ So scared to check if you're still there ♪ 997 00:52:03,832 --> 00:52:08,712 ♪ Are you still here? Are you still near? ♪ 998 00:52:08,795 --> 00:52:12,632 ♪ Are you still safe? ♪ 999 00:52:13,925 --> 00:52:18,847 ♪ Are you still here? Are you still near? ♪ 1000 00:52:19,222 --> 00:52:23,810 ♪ Are you still safe? ♪ 1001 00:52:23,893 --> 00:52:29,232 ♪ Oh... ♪ 1002 00:53:11,316 --> 00:53:16,654 ♪ ♪ 75324

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