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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,391 --> 00:00:02,785 In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:02,785 --> 00:00:05,309 detectives and prosecutors face daunting challenges 3 00:00:05,309 --> 00:00:07,485 when money is the motive for murder. 4 00:00:10,793 --> 00:00:12,055 Irene Silverman, 5 00:00:12,055 --> 00:00:13,143 82 years old, 6 00:00:13,143 --> 00:00:16,494 last seen July 5th, 1998. 7 00:00:16,494 --> 00:00:18,148 Irene lived on the Upper East Side. 8 00:00:18,148 --> 00:00:20,629 She's worth a lot of money. Now she's missing. 9 00:00:20,629 --> 00:00:23,066 The disappearance of a wealthy socialite 10 00:00:23,066 --> 00:00:24,111 grips a nation... 11 00:00:24,111 --> 00:00:26,069 This was the largest search 12 00:00:26,069 --> 00:00:28,593 that I have ever participated in by far. 13 00:00:28,593 --> 00:00:31,509 And New York detectives stop at nothing to find her. 14 00:00:31,509 --> 00:00:33,381 The investigation is in full swing. 15 00:00:33,381 --> 00:00:35,339 Everyone is riveted to this case. 16 00:00:35,339 --> 00:00:37,428 But the city faces a case 17 00:00:37,428 --> 00:00:39,126 that has never been tried and won. 18 00:00:39,126 --> 00:00:41,737 There was no body. This was an uphill battle. 19 00:00:41,737 --> 00:00:43,652 No one's prepared for how twisted 20 00:00:43,652 --> 00:00:45,349 the real story truly is. 21 00:00:45,349 --> 00:00:47,264 She was the devil in sheep's clothing. 22 00:00:47,264 --> 00:00:49,745 She loved to lie. 23 00:00:49,745 --> 00:00:52,095 These men and women dedicate their lives 24 00:00:52,095 --> 00:00:53,401 to law and order. 25 00:00:53,401 --> 00:00:55,098 I had nightmares about her. 26 00:00:55,098 --> 00:00:57,231 She was as dangerous as a cobra. 27 00:00:57,231 --> 00:00:59,102 These are their true stories. 28 00:01:11,506 --> 00:01:14,944 July 5th, 1998 was a beautiful summer night. 29 00:01:14,944 --> 00:01:18,861 There were three of us working in the detective squad. 30 00:01:18,861 --> 00:01:22,038 Around 6:00 p.m., the detectives were notified 31 00:01:22,038 --> 00:01:23,561 about a missing person. 32 00:01:25,389 --> 00:01:26,303 The patrol officers said that they had 33 00:01:26,303 --> 00:01:27,870 a missing elderly woman. 34 00:01:27,870 --> 00:01:31,134 Her name was Irene Silverman. 35 00:01:31,134 --> 00:01:33,223 When the detectives responded to 36 00:01:33,223 --> 00:01:35,617 Irene Silverman's disappearance, 37 00:01:35,617 --> 00:01:37,793 they immediately started conducting interviews. 38 00:01:40,012 --> 00:01:43,929 She fit the category of special missing persons 39 00:01:43,929 --> 00:01:48,543 because of her age, and that alarmed everyone. 40 00:01:48,543 --> 00:01:51,198 In 1998, I was an active detective 41 00:01:51,198 --> 00:01:52,373 in the 19th precinct. 42 00:01:52,373 --> 00:01:54,157 I worked with Joe Reznick. 43 00:01:54,157 --> 00:01:55,637 He was a lieutenant 44 00:01:55,637 --> 00:01:57,769 in the 34th precinct detective squad. 45 00:01:57,769 --> 00:02:01,469 New York City in 1998 was fairly good. 46 00:02:01,469 --> 00:02:04,254 We had come a long way as far as crime was concerned. 47 00:02:04,254 --> 00:02:06,735 You could literally see good changes 48 00:02:06,735 --> 00:02:08,084 throughout the city, 49 00:02:08,084 --> 00:02:10,913 all the way until July 5th, 50 00:02:10,913 --> 00:02:12,784 when I'm given this case. 51 00:02:12,784 --> 00:02:16,745 I spent 36 years doing investigations. 52 00:02:16,745 --> 00:02:18,181 The ten-foot-tall moments 53 00:02:18,181 --> 00:02:20,357 that I've encountered over the years, 54 00:02:20,357 --> 00:02:21,924 they're rare. 55 00:02:21,924 --> 00:02:24,013 But on July 5th, 56 00:02:24,013 --> 00:02:26,494 that's a ten-foot-tall moment. 57 00:02:26,494 --> 00:02:28,757 Irene Silverman had a staff 58 00:02:28,757 --> 00:02:31,194 of housekeepers and personal assistants 59 00:02:31,194 --> 00:02:34,458 who were all very concerned with her sudden disappearance. 60 00:02:34,458 --> 00:02:36,765 One person that was available that evening 61 00:02:36,765 --> 00:02:38,288 to talk to detectives 62 00:02:38,288 --> 00:02:43,380 was a female named Aracelis, the weekend housekeeper. 63 00:02:43,380 --> 00:02:46,340 She says that on July 5th, 64 00:02:46,340 --> 00:02:49,604 approximately 11:45 in the morning, 65 00:02:49,604 --> 00:02:53,390 she was asked by Irene to walk the dog, 66 00:02:53,390 --> 00:02:55,479 clean some garments. 67 00:02:55,479 --> 00:02:58,134 And she went off to do those things. 68 00:02:58,134 --> 00:03:00,441 That, in fact, was the last time 69 00:03:00,441 --> 00:03:03,966 that Irene Silverman was seen by any of the workers. 70 00:03:03,966 --> 00:03:07,230 They were people that Irene had employed over the years. 71 00:03:07,230 --> 00:03:09,580 They were concerned for her. 72 00:03:09,580 --> 00:03:11,974 So they gave us a lot of details, 73 00:03:11,974 --> 00:03:14,977 hoping that that would help us figure out what happened. 74 00:03:16,544 --> 00:03:19,242 At about 2:20 that afternoon, 75 00:03:19,242 --> 00:03:23,115 Irene Silverman received a phone call. 76 00:03:23,115 --> 00:03:25,944 Aracelis knocked on Irene's door, 77 00:03:25,944 --> 00:03:28,817 but she didn't get a response. 78 00:03:28,817 --> 00:03:30,819 About 4:40 p.m., 79 00:03:30,819 --> 00:03:35,215 Aracelis tried once again to wake up Irene Silverman 80 00:03:35,215 --> 00:03:38,348 and then realized she was not in her apartment. 81 00:03:40,785 --> 00:03:42,657 We see that the bedroom is in disarray. 82 00:03:42,657 --> 00:03:44,224 We asked her if this was typical 83 00:03:44,224 --> 00:03:46,748 of Irene Silverman to keep her bedroom like this. 84 00:03:46,748 --> 00:03:49,751 Aracelis says, "Absolutely not." 85 00:03:49,751 --> 00:03:51,535 Irene's a very meticulous woman, 86 00:03:51,535 --> 00:03:54,669 keeps everything neat and squared away. 87 00:03:54,669 --> 00:03:57,280 She also said that Irene Silverman 88 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,762 always kept a lump sum of money in her apartment-- 89 00:04:00,762 --> 00:04:04,113 approximately $10,000 in nice, crisp bills. 90 00:04:04,113 --> 00:04:06,898 That appeared to be missing. 91 00:04:06,898 --> 00:04:09,510 There was also jewelry missing from the apartment 92 00:04:09,510 --> 00:04:12,164 and Irene Silverman's passport. 93 00:04:13,862 --> 00:04:15,124 She was adamant 94 00:04:15,124 --> 00:04:18,301 that something was amiss with Irene. 95 00:04:18,301 --> 00:04:20,825 Irene never leaves the house alone. 96 00:04:20,825 --> 00:04:24,264 She would have told somebody where she went. 97 00:04:25,787 --> 00:04:28,964 Being a millionaire missing from 65th Street 98 00:04:28,964 --> 00:04:30,444 in Manhattan, 99 00:04:30,444 --> 00:04:34,317 Irene Silverman's disappearance became the top news. 100 00:04:34,317 --> 00:04:35,971 "NBC News In Depth" tonight-- 101 00:04:35,971 --> 00:04:38,887 the search for a wealthy and eccentric widow 102 00:04:38,887 --> 00:04:42,847 missing from her fashionable New York town house. 103 00:04:42,847 --> 00:04:46,198 About 50 detectives are dispatched city-wide. 104 00:04:46,198 --> 00:04:48,636 We go to the airports. We're doing flight checks. 105 00:04:48,636 --> 00:04:51,378 We go to the train station, the bus stations. 106 00:04:51,378 --> 00:04:54,250 We are looking in every nook and cranny. 107 00:04:55,643 --> 00:04:58,472 This is the Irene I knew... 108 00:04:58,472 --> 00:05:02,345 where she's sitting in her living room, 109 00:05:02,345 --> 00:05:05,696 her very ornately decorated living room. 110 00:05:05,696 --> 00:05:07,611 I love this picture of her. 111 00:05:07,611 --> 00:05:10,266 She's a very sophisticated lady, you know, 112 00:05:10,266 --> 00:05:13,400 even though she didn't act that way. 113 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,359 It's a very interesting combination 114 00:05:16,359 --> 00:05:18,622 of personality traits. 115 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:21,930 She had no children. 116 00:05:21,930 --> 00:05:24,193 And I felt, in a way, 117 00:05:24,193 --> 00:05:26,804 like I was her adopted daughter. 118 00:05:26,804 --> 00:05:31,722 She would regale me with stories of her life. 119 00:05:35,770 --> 00:05:38,381 Irene Silverman was a Rockette 120 00:05:38,381 --> 00:05:40,949 here in New York. 121 00:05:40,949 --> 00:05:44,518 And on October 3rd, 1941, 122 00:05:44,518 --> 00:05:48,348 she met a gentleman named Sam Silverman. 123 00:05:48,348 --> 00:05:51,263 He was very wealthy. 124 00:05:51,263 --> 00:05:53,657 They got married and moved to 125 00:05:53,657 --> 00:05:57,400 a very up-scale section of the city. 126 00:06:00,969 --> 00:06:02,623 Because of her husband's wealth, 127 00:06:02,623 --> 00:06:05,408 she knew what to do with finances, 128 00:06:05,408 --> 00:06:08,411 even after her husband passed away. 129 00:06:08,411 --> 00:06:11,196 After Sam died, she owned property 130 00:06:11,196 --> 00:06:13,764 in France, Hawaii, 131 00:06:13,764 --> 00:06:16,854 obviously in New York. 132 00:06:16,854 --> 00:06:19,814 A wealthy widow, Irene kept company 133 00:06:19,814 --> 00:06:21,685 with friends, politicians, 134 00:06:21,685 --> 00:06:25,123 and well-to-do New York society. 135 00:06:25,123 --> 00:06:27,648 Irene liked to throw elaborate parties. 136 00:06:27,648 --> 00:06:29,650 She loved having interesting people come, 137 00:06:29,650 --> 00:06:31,260 affluent people come. 138 00:06:31,260 --> 00:06:33,784 She was a party--I'd love to hang out with Irene Silverman. 139 00:06:33,784 --> 00:06:36,352 I wish I was invited to one of her parties. 140 00:06:36,352 --> 00:06:40,965 Irene would serve very expensive champagne. 141 00:06:40,965 --> 00:06:44,752 We went to some very posh restaurants. 142 00:06:44,752 --> 00:06:47,929 At that age, she was living her life to the fullest. 143 00:06:50,148 --> 00:06:52,977 But Irene's multimillion-dollar townhome 144 00:06:52,977 --> 00:06:55,458 was too big for her to live in alone, 145 00:06:55,458 --> 00:06:57,112 so she converted many of the rooms 146 00:06:57,112 --> 00:06:59,897 into apartments as short-term rentals. 147 00:06:59,897 --> 00:07:03,597 Irene liked to rent to affluent or notable people. 148 00:07:03,597 --> 00:07:06,295 One was an actor, Daniel Day-Lewis, 149 00:07:06,295 --> 00:07:08,384 a singer, Chaka Khan. 150 00:07:08,384 --> 00:07:11,343 You had to have money to rent a room from Irene. 151 00:07:14,738 --> 00:07:18,046 Interviewing everyone connected to Irene Silverman 152 00:07:18,046 --> 00:07:20,091 was a must in this case. 153 00:07:20,091 --> 00:07:23,660 One of the staff members who we were unable to locate 154 00:07:23,660 --> 00:07:26,924 was a male by the name of Menji. 155 00:07:26,924 --> 00:07:30,145 We wanted to find Menji, because after she disappeared, 156 00:07:30,145 --> 00:07:34,323 he went right to Atlanta-- what he said was a vacation. 157 00:07:34,323 --> 00:07:37,544 That was suspicious to us at the time. 158 00:07:37,544 --> 00:07:39,459 A fellow like Menji becomes interesting 159 00:07:39,459 --> 00:07:41,852 because we learn that he had access 160 00:07:41,852 --> 00:07:45,465 to some of Irene Silverman's financial records. 161 00:07:45,465 --> 00:07:46,640 He was guiding her 162 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,816 on some of her financial business. 163 00:07:48,816 --> 00:07:50,513 Definitely heightened us 164 00:07:50,513 --> 00:07:52,428 to really want to question him. 165 00:07:52,428 --> 00:07:53,951 We start tracking them down. 166 00:07:53,951 --> 00:07:57,955 The search continued until we find Irene Silverman. 167 00:08:04,092 --> 00:08:07,095 Irene Silverman... 168 00:08:07,095 --> 00:08:10,533 very rarely leaves her residence. 169 00:08:10,533 --> 00:08:12,013 It seems like she disappeared 170 00:08:12,013 --> 00:08:16,539 under suspicious circumstances on 7/5. 171 00:08:16,539 --> 00:08:18,759 We got to figure out what went on 172 00:08:18,759 --> 00:08:20,456 over at 20 East 65th Street. 173 00:08:22,632 --> 00:08:24,155 We search the neighboring buildings. 174 00:08:24,155 --> 00:08:25,548 We try to recover video 175 00:08:25,548 --> 00:08:27,158 that might have been on the block. 176 00:08:27,158 --> 00:08:29,117 We search the house high and low. 177 00:08:29,117 --> 00:08:31,989 Inside Irene's office, we find a sketch 178 00:08:31,989 --> 00:08:33,991 of what appeared to be a male. 179 00:08:33,991 --> 00:08:36,472 And, of course, we didn't know who he was. 180 00:08:38,822 --> 00:08:42,826 It depicted just basic characteristics of a person, 181 00:08:42,826 --> 00:08:46,569 but we were told that she had drawn that picture 182 00:08:46,569 --> 00:08:48,136 because she was skeptical 183 00:08:48,136 --> 00:08:51,487 of the tenant in apartment 1B-- 184 00:08:51,487 --> 00:08:54,142 a man named Manny Guerrin. 185 00:08:55,796 --> 00:08:58,189 For Irene Silverman to draw up a sketch 186 00:08:58,189 --> 00:09:00,975 two weeks prior to when she disappeared 187 00:09:00,975 --> 00:09:05,457 definitely heightened us to really want to look at him. 188 00:09:10,245 --> 00:09:14,379 Manny was a businessman from West Palm Beach. 189 00:09:14,379 --> 00:09:17,600 He was able to rent the apartment from Irene 190 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,210 through her butcher. 191 00:09:19,210 --> 00:09:20,560 Apparently the butcher 192 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:23,127 told him about the apartments that Irene rents, 193 00:09:23,127 --> 00:09:26,609 so he had a good reference, knew somebody that she knew. 194 00:09:26,609 --> 00:09:29,394 And Manny paid her $6,000 up front 195 00:09:29,394 --> 00:09:31,745 to rent a room. 196 00:09:31,745 --> 00:09:35,096 The staff told us that Irene was suspicious of him 197 00:09:35,096 --> 00:09:37,751 from day one that he rented the apartment. 198 00:09:37,751 --> 00:09:40,275 There was just something about him 199 00:09:40,275 --> 00:09:42,669 that gave her an ill feeling. 200 00:09:42,669 --> 00:09:45,193 Irene Silverman also had cameras 201 00:09:45,193 --> 00:09:47,238 throughout her building. 202 00:09:47,238 --> 00:09:49,501 She found it strange that he would elude 203 00:09:49,501 --> 00:09:51,199 the cameras that she had. 204 00:09:51,199 --> 00:09:55,377 He'd walk up against the wall, out of sight. 205 00:09:55,377 --> 00:09:57,074 The staff also told us 206 00:09:57,074 --> 00:09:59,076 that she would see him standing at the door. 207 00:09:59,076 --> 00:10:02,340 She'd see his feet through the bottom of the door. 208 00:10:02,340 --> 00:10:03,646 She'd see him looking 209 00:10:03,646 --> 00:10:05,213 out the peephole of the apartment, 210 00:10:05,213 --> 00:10:06,562 observing her. 211 00:10:10,610 --> 00:10:12,568 The night of Fourth of July, 212 00:10:12,568 --> 00:10:14,657 Irene Silverman had a party, 213 00:10:14,657 --> 00:10:17,399 where she had a discussion with one of her assistants 214 00:10:17,399 --> 00:10:20,707 in regards to evicting Manny Guerrin. 215 00:10:20,707 --> 00:10:22,926 Their plan was, is just to serve him 216 00:10:22,926 --> 00:10:24,101 with an eviction letter 217 00:10:24,101 --> 00:10:26,190 and to get him out of the building. 218 00:10:29,759 --> 00:10:33,197 But the next day, Irene Silverman had vanished. 219 00:10:33,197 --> 00:10:34,329 The sketch, 220 00:10:34,329 --> 00:10:36,723 the apartment being in disarray, 221 00:10:36,723 --> 00:10:39,073 her leaving without telling anyone... 222 00:10:41,989 --> 00:10:45,862 Now we have ourselves a mystery on our hands. 223 00:10:45,862 --> 00:10:47,603 It was frightening. 224 00:10:47,603 --> 00:10:50,954 There was a stun gun box, 225 00:10:50,954 --> 00:10:54,697 wigs, Mace, and plastic handcuffs. 226 00:10:54,697 --> 00:10:57,439 This is the anatomy of a frame-up. 227 00:10:57,439 --> 00:11:00,094 They underestimated the perseverance 228 00:11:00,094 --> 00:11:02,009 of the New York City Police Department. 229 00:11:02,009 --> 00:11:03,967 They were serial killers. 230 00:11:07,405 --> 00:11:10,495 Detectives were searching for two people of interest 231 00:11:10,495 --> 00:11:13,716 in the missing-persons case of socialite Irene Silverman-- 232 00:11:13,716 --> 00:11:15,370 her tenant Manny Guerrin 233 00:11:15,370 --> 00:11:18,329 and her personal assistant Menji Melis. 234 00:11:21,028 --> 00:11:22,725 Menji was down in Atlanta, 235 00:11:22,725 --> 00:11:24,727 but we were able to contact him. 236 00:11:24,727 --> 00:11:26,816 So he immediately flew back to New York. 237 00:11:26,816 --> 00:11:28,731 While questioning Menji, 238 00:11:28,731 --> 00:11:32,213 he offered for us to look at his financial records. 239 00:11:32,213 --> 00:11:34,737 He was very forthcoming with all his answers 240 00:11:34,737 --> 00:11:36,957 and everything he told us. 241 00:11:36,957 --> 00:11:39,220 After speaking to Menji, it was just a matter 242 00:11:39,220 --> 00:11:41,701 of checking out what he had said. 243 00:11:41,701 --> 00:11:44,442 We concluded he has nothing to do 244 00:11:44,442 --> 00:11:47,141 with Irene Silverman's disappearance. 245 00:11:47,141 --> 00:11:49,578 Don't forget-- we were counting hours here. 246 00:11:49,578 --> 00:11:53,538 We're also tracking down this guy Manny Guerrin. 247 00:11:53,538 --> 00:11:55,105 When you look at everything, 248 00:11:55,105 --> 00:11:57,978 like that sketch that Irene prepared 249 00:11:57,978 --> 00:11:59,370 or the strange feelings 250 00:11:59,370 --> 00:12:01,416 that Irene Silverman had about them, 251 00:12:01,416 --> 00:12:03,200 he was a suspect. 252 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,594 As the investigation is unfolding, 253 00:12:05,594 --> 00:12:08,466 we determine that we have to get into apartment 1B, 254 00:12:08,466 --> 00:12:11,426 which was Manny Guerrin's apartment. 255 00:12:11,426 --> 00:12:12,949 We needed to know, 256 00:12:12,949 --> 00:12:17,084 was Irene Silverman in that apartment? 257 00:12:17,084 --> 00:12:19,086 We get into the apartment. 258 00:12:19,086 --> 00:12:20,565 We notice that the bed was stripped, 259 00:12:20,565 --> 00:12:23,873 and one of the quilts was missing. 260 00:12:23,873 --> 00:12:25,396 In the garbage, 261 00:12:25,396 --> 00:12:28,835 they found some rolled-up used duct tape. 262 00:12:28,835 --> 00:12:31,011 There were some black plastic bags 263 00:12:31,011 --> 00:12:33,143 that were present in a box, 264 00:12:33,143 --> 00:12:35,798 and either five or six bags were missing. 265 00:12:38,279 --> 00:12:40,672 Add that to all these other comments 266 00:12:40,672 --> 00:12:42,631 made by the people in the building, 267 00:12:42,631 --> 00:12:44,285 Manny Guerrin 268 00:12:44,285 --> 00:12:46,243 went from being a person of interest 269 00:12:46,243 --> 00:12:48,637 to a suspect in this case. 270 00:12:48,637 --> 00:12:51,509 Now we know what we need to do. 271 00:12:51,509 --> 00:12:53,163 Let's find him. 272 00:12:53,163 --> 00:12:55,296 During the search for Manny Guerrin, 273 00:12:55,296 --> 00:12:57,994 investigators discovered that he wasn't 274 00:12:57,994 --> 00:13:01,302 the only resident in apartment 1B. 275 00:13:01,302 --> 00:13:04,131 Accompanying Manny Guerrin, there was a female, 276 00:13:04,131 --> 00:13:06,742 possibly in her 60s or so. 277 00:13:06,742 --> 00:13:09,919 She used the name Eve or Eva. 278 00:13:09,919 --> 00:13:11,138 Some of the information 279 00:13:11,138 --> 00:13:13,227 we obtained during the investigation 280 00:13:13,227 --> 00:13:15,446 was that this woman was living with Manny 281 00:13:15,446 --> 00:13:16,926 in apartment 1B. 282 00:13:16,926 --> 00:13:19,233 She was an older woman, 283 00:13:19,233 --> 00:13:22,149 and Manny Guerrin said that that woman was his assistant. 284 00:13:22,149 --> 00:13:25,979 We don't know exactly what role this woman played, 285 00:13:25,979 --> 00:13:29,330 but we needed to talk to her. 286 00:13:29,330 --> 00:13:32,202 Detectives knew that with each hour that went by, 287 00:13:32,202 --> 00:13:35,597 the hope of finding Irene alive diminished. 288 00:13:39,514 --> 00:13:41,124 You know, there's thousands of people missing 289 00:13:41,124 --> 00:13:42,822 here in New York City. 290 00:13:42,822 --> 00:13:47,652 And press conferences are great because you get the publicity. 291 00:13:47,652 --> 00:13:51,308 So Monday night I conducted a press conference. 292 00:13:51,308 --> 00:13:53,702 And I was able to show the sketch 293 00:13:53,702 --> 00:13:57,184 that was prepared by the witnesses earlier in the day. 294 00:13:57,184 --> 00:13:59,055 Irene Silverman was in good health, 295 00:13:59,055 --> 00:14:01,666 both physically and mentally. 296 00:14:01,666 --> 00:14:04,321 However, she would never leave her residence 297 00:14:04,321 --> 00:14:06,541 without one of her workers. 298 00:14:06,541 --> 00:14:09,544 The disappearance is highly uncharacteristic 299 00:14:09,544 --> 00:14:10,893 of the victim. 300 00:14:10,893 --> 00:14:13,026 The whereabouts of Irene Silverman 301 00:14:13,026 --> 00:14:15,637 remains a mystery. 302 00:14:15,637 --> 00:14:18,379 Authorities have also increased the reward money 303 00:14:18,379 --> 00:14:19,641 to $10,000, 304 00:14:19,641 --> 00:14:21,730 and they're asking anyone with information 305 00:14:21,730 --> 00:14:24,689 to call Crime Stoppers. 306 00:14:24,689 --> 00:14:28,563 After the press conference, the FBI called us 307 00:14:28,563 --> 00:14:31,218 and said, "Listen, you better get down here. 308 00:14:31,218 --> 00:14:33,176 We think we have something that you are looking for." 309 00:14:37,572 --> 00:14:40,053 While we were searching for Irene Silverman, 310 00:14:40,053 --> 00:14:42,098 the regional joint task force, 311 00:14:42,098 --> 00:14:43,491 which is with different departments, 312 00:14:43,491 --> 00:14:46,537 arrested Sante and Kenny Kimes 313 00:14:46,537 --> 00:14:49,584 based on a warrant that was issued in Utah. 314 00:14:49,584 --> 00:14:52,761 Sante and Kenneth Kimes were a mother and son. 315 00:14:52,761 --> 00:14:57,722 They were wanted for an arson and insurance-fraud case. 316 00:14:57,722 --> 00:15:01,944 When Kenny Kimes was searched, they found identification 317 00:15:01,944 --> 00:15:05,339 and an American Express credit card... 318 00:15:05,339 --> 00:15:07,558 in the name if Irene Silverman. 319 00:15:10,866 --> 00:15:14,652 When they searched Sante, they find $10,000 cash. 320 00:15:14,652 --> 00:15:17,264 They asked her what that money was. 321 00:15:17,264 --> 00:15:19,440 She said, "That's nothing. That was just travel money." 322 00:15:21,094 --> 00:15:23,183 Detectives were very alarmed. 323 00:15:23,183 --> 00:15:26,273 Sante and Kenny Kimes had Irene's credit card 324 00:15:26,273 --> 00:15:28,405 and cash in the same amount 325 00:15:28,405 --> 00:15:30,973 that was missing from Irene's townhome. 326 00:15:30,973 --> 00:15:33,367 And they fit a description of the suspicious tenants 327 00:15:33,367 --> 00:15:35,282 from apartment 1B-- 328 00:15:35,282 --> 00:15:38,285 Manny Guerrin and his assistant Eva. 329 00:15:38,285 --> 00:15:39,764 During the interview, 330 00:15:39,764 --> 00:15:41,723 we tried to take a gentle approach. 331 00:15:41,723 --> 00:15:43,464 And we appealed to her sense of humanity, 332 00:15:43,464 --> 00:15:45,422 saying, "Listen, Irene's an older woman, 333 00:15:45,422 --> 00:15:47,468 "a little bit older than you. 334 00:15:47,468 --> 00:15:49,731 "She's very frail. She can still be alive. 335 00:15:49,731 --> 00:15:51,602 "You still might be able to save her. 336 00:15:51,602 --> 00:15:53,691 You still might be able to save yourself." 337 00:15:53,691 --> 00:15:55,780 It didn't go anywhere. 338 00:15:55,780 --> 00:15:58,131 She said, "Well, she could be out walking her dog. 339 00:15:58,131 --> 00:15:59,567 "Maybe she fell. 340 00:15:59,567 --> 00:16:01,177 "Maybe she's laying in an alley somewhere 341 00:16:01,177 --> 00:16:03,614 "down some steps and she's passed out. 342 00:16:03,614 --> 00:16:06,443 Why are you wasting your time with me?" 343 00:16:06,443 --> 00:16:09,185 Kenny denied knowing her. He denied anything about her. 344 00:16:09,185 --> 00:16:12,014 We asked, "Well, why was the ID found on you?" 345 00:16:12,014 --> 00:16:14,712 And he kept saying, "What ID? What are you talking about?" 346 00:16:14,712 --> 00:16:16,018 Denying it. 347 00:16:16,018 --> 00:16:19,848 Kenny also had a knife, brass knuckles, 348 00:16:19,848 --> 00:16:21,806 and two sets of keys. 349 00:16:21,806 --> 00:16:26,594 One set of those keys were, in fact, Irene Silverman's. 350 00:16:27,595 --> 00:16:29,553 We asked, "Why was her apartment keys 351 00:16:29,553 --> 00:16:30,815 found on you?" 352 00:16:30,815 --> 00:16:33,818 And he kept saying, "What apartment keys?" 353 00:16:33,818 --> 00:16:38,519 Everything seemed to connect Kenny to Irene's apartment. 354 00:16:38,519 --> 00:16:40,564 It was at that point we believed 355 00:16:40,564 --> 00:16:43,045 Kenny was the person renting apartment 1B 356 00:16:43,045 --> 00:16:44,394 from Irene Silverman 357 00:16:44,394 --> 00:16:47,528 under the name of Manny Guerrin. 358 00:16:48,659 --> 00:16:51,184 Detectives believed that they had finally located 359 00:16:51,184 --> 00:16:52,489 the primary suspect 360 00:16:52,489 --> 00:16:54,578 in Irene Silverman's disappearance. 361 00:16:54,578 --> 00:16:56,667 Hoping to find Irene alive, 362 00:16:56,667 --> 00:16:59,366 they try to cut a deal for information. 363 00:16:59,366 --> 00:17:00,932 I said, "It's time for you to fess up. 364 00:17:00,932 --> 00:17:04,501 You can help us find Irene Silverman." 365 00:17:04,501 --> 00:17:06,895 Kenny started to break and well up in tears. 366 00:17:06,895 --> 00:17:08,070 We had him. 367 00:17:08,070 --> 00:17:09,550 I thought he was gonna start talking 368 00:17:09,550 --> 00:17:11,073 and we were gonna have the answers 369 00:17:11,073 --> 00:17:12,379 that we've been looking for. 370 00:17:12,379 --> 00:17:15,382 All of a sudden, he turned to stone... 371 00:17:15,382 --> 00:17:18,080 and the tears went away very quickly, 372 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,909 and he requested an attorney at that time. 373 00:17:26,523 --> 00:17:28,308 While NYPD patrol units 374 00:17:28,308 --> 00:17:30,527 search the city for Irene Silverman, 375 00:17:30,527 --> 00:17:32,181 detectives continue to learn 376 00:17:32,181 --> 00:17:34,270 more about their primary suspects-- 377 00:17:34,270 --> 00:17:36,968 Sante Kimes and her son Kenny. 378 00:17:45,412 --> 00:17:48,458 As far as the investigation was concerned, 379 00:17:48,458 --> 00:17:51,853 we have two suspects possibly in custody. 380 00:17:51,853 --> 00:17:55,813 It's a matter of figuring out how they're connected. 381 00:17:55,813 --> 00:17:58,947 Our concentration was on Irene Silverman. 382 00:17:58,947 --> 00:18:02,081 Where was she? What did they do with her? 383 00:18:02,081 --> 00:18:04,692 And who is this Kimes family? 384 00:18:04,692 --> 00:18:06,998 Sante Kimes comes from money. 385 00:18:06,998 --> 00:18:10,828 In the '70s, she married a man named Ken Kimes Sr. 386 00:18:10,828 --> 00:18:13,962 We learned that he was a hotel developer. 387 00:18:13,962 --> 00:18:15,920 He was a millionaire. 388 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,706 Sante and Kenneth Kimes had so much money, 389 00:18:18,706 --> 00:18:20,838 they bought property in Hawaii 390 00:18:20,838 --> 00:18:23,189 in one of the most expensive areas, 391 00:18:23,189 --> 00:18:26,017 in addition to homes in Las Vegas. 392 00:18:26,017 --> 00:18:27,889 In 1975, 393 00:18:27,889 --> 00:18:30,892 they had a son they named Kenny Jr. 394 00:18:30,892 --> 00:18:33,024 Kenny Kimes, while being brought up, 395 00:18:33,024 --> 00:18:34,591 had the best of everything. 396 00:18:34,591 --> 00:18:36,985 He had private tutors. He lived in elaborate homes. 397 00:18:36,985 --> 00:18:39,422 He had housekeepers. He had nannies. 398 00:18:39,422 --> 00:18:41,511 They had plenty of money. 399 00:18:41,511 --> 00:18:44,340 This just wasn't enough for Sante. 400 00:18:44,340 --> 00:18:46,821 We had done background checks. 401 00:18:46,821 --> 00:18:49,519 One in particular is called a Triple I check, 402 00:18:49,519 --> 00:18:52,783 where they check other states for criminal histories. 403 00:18:52,783 --> 00:18:54,611 And what we discovered about Sante 404 00:18:54,611 --> 00:18:56,265 was that she had, in fact, 405 00:18:56,265 --> 00:19:00,356 approximately 12 prior arrests. 406 00:19:00,356 --> 00:19:02,532 In Washington, D.C., 407 00:19:02,532 --> 00:19:06,232 Sante and Ken Sr. were at some elaborate party, 408 00:19:06,232 --> 00:19:07,798 and she happened to have stolen 409 00:19:07,798 --> 00:19:09,626 a fur coat from the coatroom, 410 00:19:09,626 --> 00:19:11,411 and she was arrested for that. 411 00:19:11,411 --> 00:19:13,456 She also served three years in prison 412 00:19:13,456 --> 00:19:16,720 for kidnapping back in 1986. 413 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,071 She held one of her housekeepers captive 414 00:19:20,071 --> 00:19:22,291 in her house in Hawaii. 415 00:19:23,814 --> 00:19:27,209 Kenny Kimes Sr. had a distrust for her, 416 00:19:27,209 --> 00:19:31,300 but divorce was never either of their intentions. 417 00:19:31,300 --> 00:19:34,042 In 1994, he does pass away, 418 00:19:34,042 --> 00:19:37,480 and Sante inherits all of his wealth. 419 00:19:39,178 --> 00:19:42,398 NYPD was confident Sante and Kenny Kimes 420 00:19:42,398 --> 00:19:44,487 were behind Irene's disappearance. 421 00:19:44,487 --> 00:19:46,576 But despite having them in custody, 422 00:19:46,576 --> 00:19:49,231 investigators had a problem. 423 00:19:49,231 --> 00:19:51,799 Both the FBI and the LAPD 424 00:19:51,799 --> 00:19:54,889 wanted the Kimes for their own investigations. 425 00:19:54,889 --> 00:19:57,065 We found out that they were both wanted 426 00:19:57,065 --> 00:20:00,808 in a homicide from LA for a man named David Kazdin. 427 00:20:00,808 --> 00:20:03,724 David Kazdin was actually a business associate 428 00:20:03,724 --> 00:20:05,421 with Sante and Kenneth Kimes. 429 00:20:05,421 --> 00:20:08,119 They were involved in some real-estate fraud. 430 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:09,817 He wanted out. 431 00:20:09,817 --> 00:20:13,647 An approximate $210,000 loan was taken out 432 00:20:13,647 --> 00:20:17,085 on his property without him knowing it. 433 00:20:17,085 --> 00:20:20,654 And then on March 14 of 1998, 434 00:20:20,654 --> 00:20:25,354 his body was discovered in a dumpster at LAX airport. 435 00:20:28,836 --> 00:20:31,273 We knew that we had to move quick 436 00:20:31,273 --> 00:20:32,622 to develop our case 437 00:20:32,622 --> 00:20:35,799 before the Kimeses were extradited back to L.A. 438 00:20:35,799 --> 00:20:37,801 We had to really make friends 439 00:20:37,801 --> 00:20:40,804 so there wouldn't be any jurisdictional problems. 440 00:20:42,110 --> 00:20:45,244 LAPD agreed to suspend their investigation 441 00:20:45,244 --> 00:20:49,291 while New York detectives searched for Irene. 442 00:20:49,291 --> 00:20:51,859 We had a lot of work to do. 443 00:20:51,859 --> 00:20:54,731 Inspector Reznick wanted us to find Irene Silverman. 444 00:20:54,731 --> 00:20:57,299 By some remote chance, she might be alive. 445 00:20:57,299 --> 00:21:00,911 So he creates a task force of about 20 detectives. 446 00:21:00,911 --> 00:21:03,436 We are dubbed the Silver Task Force. 447 00:21:08,223 --> 00:21:11,182 We held our very first meeting in the war room. 448 00:21:13,141 --> 00:21:15,186 There was a picture of Irene Silverman 449 00:21:15,186 --> 00:21:16,840 in the war room. 450 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,843 As a task force and as detectives and humans, 451 00:21:19,843 --> 00:21:23,804 we all felt that we needed to solve this case. 452 00:21:23,804 --> 00:21:26,633 This could have been anyone's grandmother or mother. 453 00:21:26,633 --> 00:21:28,156 We were all very invested 454 00:21:28,156 --> 00:21:31,855 in doing whatever we had to do to solve this case. 455 00:21:31,855 --> 00:21:34,554 It was very obvious to us we had two objectives. 456 00:21:34,554 --> 00:21:37,383 One of them was to find Irene Silverman, 457 00:21:37,383 --> 00:21:39,341 and the second one was to prove 458 00:21:39,341 --> 00:21:41,082 that Sante and Kenny Kimes 459 00:21:41,082 --> 00:21:43,606 were responsible for her disappearance. 460 00:21:45,260 --> 00:21:46,957 Detectives look back at the evidence 461 00:21:46,957 --> 00:21:49,264 found on Kenny and Sante Kimes 462 00:21:49,264 --> 00:21:52,136 and discover a parking stub for a garage 463 00:21:52,136 --> 00:21:53,616 in Midtown Manhattan. 464 00:21:55,792 --> 00:21:58,534 They recovered Sante and Kenny's car, 465 00:21:58,534 --> 00:22:00,710 for which a warrant had been issued. 466 00:22:00,710 --> 00:22:03,322 It became instrumental. 467 00:22:03,322 --> 00:22:05,193 For approximately 30 hours, 468 00:22:05,193 --> 00:22:09,545 a continuous search took place by the Crime Scene Unit. 469 00:22:09,545 --> 00:22:11,068 The garage was hot. 470 00:22:11,068 --> 00:22:13,332 And there was a lot of things in that car. 471 00:22:13,332 --> 00:22:16,509 It was a grueling day in the basement of that garage. 472 00:22:16,509 --> 00:22:17,814 Some of the items 473 00:22:17,814 --> 00:22:19,425 that were recovered from the car-- 474 00:22:19,425 --> 00:22:21,688 there was a stun gun box. 475 00:22:21,688 --> 00:22:23,080 Stun gun was missing, 476 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,474 but the box was there, and the receipt was there. 477 00:22:25,474 --> 00:22:29,304 One of the things we found was a caramel-color suitcase. 478 00:22:29,304 --> 00:22:32,742 Inside the suitcase was a 9-millimeter handgun 479 00:22:32,742 --> 00:22:35,092 which had 15 bullets in the magazine. 480 00:22:35,092 --> 00:22:37,791 There was also $22,000 in cash, 481 00:22:37,791 --> 00:22:41,882 unused syringes, and disposable gloves. 482 00:22:41,882 --> 00:22:45,320 In the trunk, police find an empty duffel bag, 483 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,931 big enough to hide a body. 484 00:22:47,931 --> 00:22:51,370 They also find a mason jar of liquid. 485 00:22:51,370 --> 00:22:54,285 It was sent to the lab and determined to be "roofilin," 486 00:22:54,285 --> 00:22:56,462 which is a knockout drug. 487 00:23:00,291 --> 00:23:04,600 Adding all this now to what we've had so far, 488 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,428 we came to our conclusion 489 00:23:06,428 --> 00:23:08,996 that Irene Silverman was murdered. 490 00:23:14,610 --> 00:23:16,612 Evidence discovered 491 00:23:16,612 --> 00:23:18,658 in Sante and Kenny Kimes' Lincoln Continental 492 00:23:18,658 --> 00:23:21,051 led New York detectives to believe 493 00:23:21,051 --> 00:23:23,271 they were no longer investigating 494 00:23:23,271 --> 00:23:25,099 a missing-persons case. 495 00:23:27,406 --> 00:23:29,886 Everything now pointed to Irene Silverman 496 00:23:29,886 --> 00:23:33,324 having been killed and disposed of by the Kimes. 497 00:23:33,324 --> 00:23:36,502 The need to find her body created new urgency 498 00:23:36,502 --> 00:23:38,112 for proving a murder case. 499 00:23:38,112 --> 00:23:40,636 We wanted to establish a timeline 500 00:23:40,636 --> 00:23:42,638 of when Irene was killed. 501 00:23:42,638 --> 00:23:44,466 The parking attendant assured us 502 00:23:44,466 --> 00:23:48,209 that the car was checked in on June 14th at 11:02 a.m. 503 00:23:48,209 --> 00:23:51,212 It was not moved until July 4th. 504 00:23:53,736 --> 00:23:55,434 So we could kind of narrow down, 505 00:23:55,434 --> 00:23:58,088 he took her out of the building on July 5th, 506 00:23:58,088 --> 00:24:02,223 from 11:45 a.m. to 2:20 p.m.... 507 00:24:02,223 --> 00:24:03,964 and then he dumped her. 508 00:24:05,879 --> 00:24:07,968 Given that it was a holiday weekend, 509 00:24:07,968 --> 00:24:09,926 streets were sort of desolate. 510 00:24:09,926 --> 00:24:13,016 This provided Kenny the ideal opportunity 511 00:24:13,016 --> 00:24:15,062 to just walk that body out. 512 00:24:15,062 --> 00:24:17,456 Lifted up the duffel bag, put it into the trunk, 513 00:24:17,456 --> 00:24:21,938 and then ransacked Irene Silverman's apartment. 514 00:24:21,938 --> 00:24:25,333 We're getting a lot of media attention. 515 00:24:25,333 --> 00:24:28,075 New York City Police Department has a tips hotline. 516 00:24:28,075 --> 00:24:30,033 And day after day, they'd call us and say, 517 00:24:30,033 --> 00:24:32,035 "Here, we got another one for you." 518 00:24:32,035 --> 00:24:33,297 Dozens of police officers 519 00:24:33,297 --> 00:24:35,256 combed the perimeter of Central Park. 520 00:24:35,256 --> 00:24:39,347 Their search for clues gained in intensity. 521 00:24:39,347 --> 00:24:43,264 We searched the Meadowlands in New Jersey based on a tip. 522 00:24:43,264 --> 00:24:47,007 We searched it by ground, and we searched it by air. 523 00:24:47,007 --> 00:24:49,575 Detectives also were sent to go through garbage 524 00:24:49,575 --> 00:24:51,185 at garbage dumps, 525 00:24:51,185 --> 00:24:53,187 because we thought at that point 526 00:24:53,187 --> 00:24:55,885 that Irene Silverman was dumped in a dumpster. 527 00:24:55,885 --> 00:24:58,018 So we had probably about 50 detectives 528 00:24:58,018 --> 00:25:00,760 raking through garbage looking for Irene. 529 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,110 Despite the massive search effort, 530 00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:05,547 investigators were unable to locate 531 00:25:05,547 --> 00:25:07,418 Irene Silverman's remains. 532 00:25:07,418 --> 00:25:11,466 Meanwhile, Sante Kimes began her own media campaign 533 00:25:11,466 --> 00:25:13,555 from her prison cell 534 00:25:13,555 --> 00:25:16,297 by hiring a production team to push her own narrative. 535 00:25:16,297 --> 00:25:17,951 It is my great pleasure 536 00:25:17,951 --> 00:25:20,736 to introduce my beloved attorneys, 537 00:25:20,736 --> 00:25:22,738 who are champions of justice-- 538 00:25:22,738 --> 00:25:25,828 Mel Sachs. and this is Matthew Weissman. 539 00:25:25,828 --> 00:25:28,222 We will have other attorneys probably helping us. 540 00:25:28,222 --> 00:25:30,267 Sante was doing press conferences 541 00:25:30,267 --> 00:25:33,270 out of the prison like she was getting ready 542 00:25:33,270 --> 00:25:34,445 to do a stage performance 543 00:25:34,445 --> 00:25:37,797 as opposed to defending for her life. 544 00:25:37,797 --> 00:25:39,581 Michael Hardy was an associate 545 00:25:39,581 --> 00:25:42,497 of civil rights activist Reverend Al Sharpton. 546 00:25:42,497 --> 00:25:45,718 And Sante wanted him on her defense team. 547 00:25:45,718 --> 00:25:48,764 I got involved when I received letters 548 00:25:48,764 --> 00:25:50,549 from Sante. 549 00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:53,813 "I really need you." "We are being prosecuted." 550 00:25:53,813 --> 00:25:55,684 "Our rights are being violated." 551 00:25:55,684 --> 00:25:59,470 She was appealing to my instincts, if you will. 552 00:25:59,470 --> 00:26:02,865 And eventually I decided to say yes. 553 00:26:02,865 --> 00:26:06,390 After she hired Michael Hardy and Mel Sachs, 554 00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:08,915 her defense attorneys hold press conferences 555 00:26:08,915 --> 00:26:10,830 accusing the NYPD 556 00:26:10,830 --> 00:26:13,006 of setting up Sante and Kenneth Kimes, 557 00:26:13,006 --> 00:26:14,616 framing them for the disappearance 558 00:26:14,616 --> 00:26:15,835 of Irene Silverman. 559 00:26:15,835 --> 00:26:17,184 They're not being charged 560 00:26:17,184 --> 00:26:18,881 with murder or anything of that nature. 561 00:26:18,881 --> 00:26:21,667 It's solely a warrant from Utah, 562 00:26:21,667 --> 00:26:22,885 and that's it. 563 00:26:22,885 --> 00:26:25,496 This was a way of detaining them 564 00:26:25,496 --> 00:26:26,759 and holding them. 565 00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:30,197 This is the anatomy of a frame-up. 566 00:26:30,197 --> 00:26:33,156 The little woman who has disappeared, 567 00:26:33,156 --> 00:26:35,637 if anything has ever happened to her, 568 00:26:35,637 --> 00:26:38,597 it's on the hands of the police. 569 00:26:38,597 --> 00:26:40,033 To prove her innocence, 570 00:26:40,033 --> 00:26:42,209 Sante hired private investigators 571 00:26:42,209 --> 00:26:44,994 Larry Frost and Clarissa McNair. 572 00:26:44,994 --> 00:26:47,040 My name is Clarissa McNair. 573 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,956 I became her private detective. 574 00:26:49,956 --> 00:26:52,828 I got a lot of flak for taking on this case. 575 00:26:52,828 --> 00:26:56,049 But it was my first murder case, 576 00:26:56,049 --> 00:27:00,575 and I think everyone is entitled to a good defense. 577 00:27:00,575 --> 00:27:02,272 If a lawyer were there, 578 00:27:02,272 --> 00:27:04,753 she would tell him a certain story. 579 00:27:04,753 --> 00:27:06,886 Another lawyer might come for 20 minutes, 580 00:27:06,886 --> 00:27:08,235 and they'd talk. 581 00:27:08,235 --> 00:27:10,977 She'd tell him an entirely different version 582 00:27:10,977 --> 00:27:12,413 of the story. 583 00:27:12,413 --> 00:27:14,633 And I'd say, "Sante, what are you doing? 584 00:27:14,633 --> 00:27:16,069 "We're on your side. 585 00:27:16,069 --> 00:27:18,027 You're confusing everybody." 586 00:27:18,027 --> 00:27:20,073 And she'd say, "They believe me. 587 00:27:20,073 --> 00:27:21,857 It's my way of having fun." 588 00:27:21,857 --> 00:27:25,687 She loved to lie. 589 00:27:28,864 --> 00:27:30,692 On July 23rd, 590 00:27:30,692 --> 00:27:32,825 detectives intercepted a phone conversation 591 00:27:32,825 --> 00:27:35,741 between Sante and one of her private investigators, 592 00:27:35,741 --> 00:27:37,481 Larry Frost. 593 00:27:37,481 --> 00:27:39,440 Sante needed a favor. 594 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:40,920 What she didn't realize 595 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,097 was that all of her jailhouse conversations 596 00:27:44,097 --> 00:27:45,925 were being monitored. 597 00:27:45,925 --> 00:27:47,927 Sante asked her private investigator 598 00:27:47,927 --> 00:27:49,232 to go to the Plaza Hotel 599 00:27:49,232 --> 00:27:51,582 to retrieve a bag that she had checked there. 600 00:27:51,582 --> 00:27:53,672 Unbeknownst to the private investigator, 601 00:27:53,672 --> 00:27:55,282 we had a wiretap on the phone, 602 00:27:55,282 --> 00:27:58,111 and we intercepted this information. 603 00:27:58,111 --> 00:28:00,287 Once he retrieved the bag, 604 00:28:00,287 --> 00:28:03,638 the authorities were there waiting. 605 00:28:03,638 --> 00:28:05,988 What became critical about finding that bag 606 00:28:05,988 --> 00:28:07,729 was the contents. 607 00:28:07,729 --> 00:28:11,820 And those contents included a .22-caliber handgun 608 00:28:11,820 --> 00:28:14,214 that was wrapped in a white turban, 609 00:28:14,214 --> 00:28:16,869 forged social security cards, 610 00:28:16,869 --> 00:28:20,089 15 notebooks, wigs, Mace, 611 00:28:20,089 --> 00:28:22,135 and plastic handcuffs. 612 00:28:22,135 --> 00:28:23,658 There were birth certificates 613 00:28:23,658 --> 00:28:24,833 for Manny Guerrin, 614 00:28:24,833 --> 00:28:27,967 for Kenny Kimes, for Sante-- 615 00:28:27,967 --> 00:28:31,971 all sorts of documents that were incriminating. 616 00:28:31,971 --> 00:28:33,363 Other important items 617 00:28:33,363 --> 00:28:36,366 included these spiral notebooks. 618 00:28:36,366 --> 00:28:39,500 One page had a list of items. 619 00:28:39,500 --> 00:28:43,286 It included a shower curtain, rope, tape, 620 00:28:43,286 --> 00:28:47,595 which was most of the evidence recovered from apartment 1B. 621 00:28:47,595 --> 00:28:51,425 They also find a folder that said, "Final dynasty," 622 00:28:51,425 --> 00:28:54,210 which was a key piece of evidence. 623 00:28:54,210 --> 00:28:58,084 Inside was the deed of Irene Silverman's mansion. 624 00:29:00,869 --> 00:29:03,176 The paperwork said that Irene sold 625 00:29:03,176 --> 00:29:06,222 her very, very expensive $10 million town house 626 00:29:06,222 --> 00:29:10,574 for only $300,000 to an offshore account 627 00:29:10,574 --> 00:29:13,447 which had the name The Atlantic Group. 628 00:29:13,447 --> 00:29:16,363 It was forged. It all looked bad. 629 00:29:16,363 --> 00:29:18,365 It was the evidence detectives needed 630 00:29:18,365 --> 00:29:21,368 to secure a motive in Irene's murder. 631 00:29:21,368 --> 00:29:25,241 Knowing Sante's history of obtaining money, 632 00:29:25,241 --> 00:29:28,767 the plot was, kill Irene, take over the town house, 633 00:29:28,767 --> 00:29:30,769 move the money to an offshore account, 634 00:29:30,769 --> 00:29:32,945 and then dump her somewhere in Jersey. 635 00:29:35,730 --> 00:29:38,646 On December 16th, 1998, 636 00:29:38,646 --> 00:29:40,953 the mother-son duo were indicted 637 00:29:40,953 --> 00:29:43,303 on 84 counts, 638 00:29:43,303 --> 00:29:45,435 which included a second-degree murder, 639 00:29:45,435 --> 00:29:49,178 burglary, robbery, as well as fraud. 640 00:29:49,178 --> 00:29:51,528 But there was no direct evidence-- 641 00:29:51,528 --> 00:29:54,967 no DNA, no fingerprints, none of that. 642 00:29:54,967 --> 00:29:58,709 This was a pure circumstantial case, 643 00:29:58,709 --> 00:30:02,104 and prosecutors knew they had an uphill battle. 644 00:30:10,721 --> 00:30:12,462 Okay, just relax. 645 00:30:12,462 --> 00:30:14,725 And then the pauses are really great. 646 00:30:14,725 --> 00:30:15,857 They're essential. 647 00:30:17,119 --> 00:30:18,991 Just relax, Ken. 648 00:30:18,991 --> 00:30:22,081 Hello, my name is Kenneth Kimes. 649 00:30:23,299 --> 00:30:25,127 You don't really know me. 650 00:30:25,127 --> 00:30:26,781 You may think you know me. 651 00:30:26,781 --> 00:30:29,653 You may think you know my mother, but you don't. 652 00:30:29,653 --> 00:30:31,177 We are innocent. 653 00:30:35,268 --> 00:30:38,184 There were lots of stories about Sante and Kenny. 654 00:30:38,184 --> 00:30:41,448 The tabloids had a field day. 655 00:30:41,448 --> 00:30:43,319 She would often call the press, 656 00:30:43,319 --> 00:30:45,974 try to give statements to various newspapers. 657 00:30:45,974 --> 00:30:48,150 Sante was a celebrity. 658 00:30:48,150 --> 00:30:50,761 I mean, she literally used to have reporters 659 00:30:50,761 --> 00:30:54,156 come up to her cell and be giving interviews. 660 00:30:54,156 --> 00:30:56,855 We're innocent, and if just given our rights, 661 00:30:56,855 --> 00:30:58,465 we will prove it. 662 00:30:58,465 --> 00:31:02,599 Sante Kimes was practically Meryl Streep. 663 00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:06,168 Her eyes could fill with tears in a second. 664 00:31:06,168 --> 00:31:08,040 This case is different, like you said, 665 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:09,606 in that they don't have any evidence. 666 00:31:09,606 --> 00:31:11,521 This case should have... - We will show that... 667 00:31:11,521 --> 00:31:13,349 - Never even been-- - At trial, Sante. 668 00:31:13,349 --> 00:31:15,351 If you're gonna defend someone 669 00:31:15,351 --> 00:31:17,223 who's being accused of murder, 670 00:31:17,223 --> 00:31:20,966 I do not want my client doing daily interviews 671 00:31:20,966 --> 00:31:22,576 about the case. 672 00:31:22,576 --> 00:31:25,796 But Sante continuously neglected to take 673 00:31:25,796 --> 00:31:27,407 the advice of her attorneys. 674 00:31:27,407 --> 00:31:30,976 The reason why we're doing this before trial is because 675 00:31:30,976 --> 00:31:34,544 of the unfair portrayal that's been given about us. 676 00:31:34,544 --> 00:31:35,894 I mean, I've even heard rumors about 677 00:31:35,894 --> 00:31:38,940 how I don't love my mother, how I hate her. 678 00:31:38,940 --> 00:31:42,161 The media has portrayed us totally like we are not. 679 00:31:42,161 --> 00:31:44,119 We're just a mother and son. 680 00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:46,948 Essentially, what Sante was attempting to do 681 00:31:46,948 --> 00:31:49,646 is gain some sort of sympathy. 682 00:31:49,646 --> 00:31:53,781 You are talking about potential jurors 683 00:31:53,781 --> 00:31:57,263 reading newspapers, watching the news. 684 00:31:57,263 --> 00:32:00,744 So she was hoping to get to and through them. 685 00:32:00,744 --> 00:32:04,748 If you believe in justice or family, 686 00:32:04,748 --> 00:32:06,968 I beg for your help. 687 00:32:06,968 --> 00:32:09,536 My son and I are innocent. 688 00:32:09,536 --> 00:32:11,451 Her playing with the media 689 00:32:11,451 --> 00:32:14,454 and attempting to generate some sympathy 690 00:32:14,454 --> 00:32:16,978 makes me want to laugh, 691 00:32:16,978 --> 00:32:22,244 because people who commit these crimes are sociopaths. 692 00:32:22,244 --> 00:32:23,680 Over the next year, 693 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,508 detectives work closely with the DA 694 00:32:25,508 --> 00:32:26,988 to prepare for trial. 695 00:32:26,988 --> 00:32:29,817 But despite all the circumstantial evidence 696 00:32:29,817 --> 00:32:30,992 in their favor, 697 00:32:30,992 --> 00:32:34,343 a conviction was a long shot. 698 00:32:34,343 --> 00:32:36,258 The Silver Task Force, along with the DAs, 699 00:32:36,258 --> 00:32:37,868 really were up against something 700 00:32:37,868 --> 00:32:40,262 that New York City has never seen before. 701 00:32:40,262 --> 00:32:42,786 We were going for a murder conviction 702 00:32:42,786 --> 00:32:44,223 without having a body. 703 00:32:44,223 --> 00:32:45,964 We didn't have any forensic evidence-- 704 00:32:45,964 --> 00:32:50,925 no blood, no hair fibers, no fabric fibers, nothing. 705 00:32:50,925 --> 00:32:53,493 In a case where there's no body, 706 00:32:53,493 --> 00:32:57,062 the likelihood of it ending in a conviction 707 00:32:57,062 --> 00:32:59,020 was slim to none. 708 00:33:03,111 --> 00:33:04,939 Going into the trial, 709 00:33:04,939 --> 00:33:07,681 Judge Rena Uviller was the judge. 710 00:33:07,681 --> 00:33:10,510 And Judge Uviller had a great reputation. 711 00:33:10,510 --> 00:33:13,295 And so you really felt like you were walking into 712 00:33:13,295 --> 00:33:15,297 a level playing field. 713 00:33:15,297 --> 00:33:17,038 To limit any influence on the jurors 714 00:33:17,038 --> 00:33:18,474 and the outcome of the trial, 715 00:33:18,474 --> 00:33:20,999 Judge Uviller barred all cameras 716 00:33:20,999 --> 00:33:23,044 inside the courtroom. 717 00:33:29,572 --> 00:33:32,488 First drawing I did of Sante and Kenneth, 718 00:33:32,488 --> 00:33:34,447 the son was exceptionally handsome 719 00:33:34,447 --> 00:33:35,926 and put together, 720 00:33:35,926 --> 00:33:38,016 although he had kind of a vacantness about his eyes. 721 00:33:38,016 --> 00:33:41,628 His mother, she just looked, like, dangerous. 722 00:33:41,628 --> 00:33:43,760 Her eyes were like coals. 723 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,546 And there was something kind of strange 724 00:33:46,546 --> 00:33:49,070 about the relationship between Sante and Kenny. 725 00:33:49,070 --> 00:33:52,030 There was a physical intimacy that is unusual 726 00:33:52,030 --> 00:33:56,295 between a mother and her son. 727 00:33:56,295 --> 00:33:59,907 She would actually grasp her son's hand 728 00:33:59,907 --> 00:34:04,172 and hold on to it like he was a child 729 00:34:04,172 --> 00:34:06,044 or like he was her man. 730 00:34:06,044 --> 00:34:10,004 The judge had the feeling Sante was in fact manipulating 731 00:34:10,004 --> 00:34:13,094 everyone in the courtroom by this display of affection. 732 00:34:13,094 --> 00:34:15,357 Oh, who could think such horrible things about 733 00:34:15,357 --> 00:34:17,316 such a caring mother? 734 00:34:17,316 --> 00:34:19,709 And she just said, "Cut it out." 735 00:34:19,709 --> 00:34:23,931 And after that, they were put several seats apart. 736 00:34:27,891 --> 00:34:32,374 On February 14th of 2000, the trial eventually commenced. 737 00:34:32,374 --> 00:34:34,028 In their opening statements, 738 00:34:34,028 --> 00:34:37,118 the prosecution painted Sante Kimes 739 00:34:37,118 --> 00:34:39,729 as a woman addicted to crime. 740 00:34:39,729 --> 00:34:41,470 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 741 00:34:41,470 --> 00:34:44,734 this is a case about arrogance and greed. 742 00:34:44,734 --> 00:34:47,085 The prosecution did bring up 743 00:34:47,085 --> 00:34:50,349 that Sante had a very nice life 744 00:34:50,349 --> 00:34:53,308 as the wife of a multimillionaire. 745 00:34:53,308 --> 00:34:56,355 But she still was driven to steal. 746 00:34:56,355 --> 00:34:58,748 This was a compulsion. 747 00:34:58,748 --> 00:35:00,620 And I think there was something in her 748 00:35:00,620 --> 00:35:04,624 that was constantly thirsting for thrills. 749 00:35:06,016 --> 00:35:08,671 Sante Kimes was dangerous. 750 00:35:08,671 --> 00:35:10,630 I never stopped feeling 751 00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:13,981 she was as dangerous as a cobra. 752 00:35:13,981 --> 00:35:17,158 This mother-son duo, 753 00:35:17,158 --> 00:35:20,248 they had long planned to steal 754 00:35:20,248 --> 00:35:24,513 Irene's $7 million town house. 755 00:35:24,513 --> 00:35:27,951 The mother posed as Irene in this case, 756 00:35:27,951 --> 00:35:31,955 duped a notary into approving a fraudulent deed 757 00:35:31,955 --> 00:35:35,045 that transferred the ownership of the mansion 758 00:35:35,045 --> 00:35:37,178 to a Kimes-owned shell company 759 00:35:37,178 --> 00:35:39,963 after stealing Irene's identity. 760 00:35:39,963 --> 00:35:43,184 She had to be gotten out of their way. 761 00:35:43,184 --> 00:35:45,926 Now, I'm confident that at the end of this trial, 762 00:35:45,926 --> 00:35:48,276 you will be left with no choice 763 00:35:48,276 --> 00:35:49,669 but to come back with a verdict, 764 00:35:49,669 --> 00:35:52,367 guilty as to all counts. 765 00:35:53,716 --> 00:35:56,023 This is a picture of Michael Hardy 766 00:35:56,023 --> 00:35:59,287 doing his opening argument with Sante. 767 00:35:59,287 --> 00:36:00,854 Ladies and gentlemen, 768 00:36:00,854 --> 00:36:03,117 there's gonna be a mountain of evidence 769 00:36:03,117 --> 00:36:05,467 that the prosecution puts before you. 770 00:36:05,467 --> 00:36:07,861 They are going to show you 771 00:36:07,861 --> 00:36:12,126 date-rape drugs, rope, tape, guns. 772 00:36:12,126 --> 00:36:14,998 They're gonna show you all of these things. 773 00:36:14,998 --> 00:36:16,913 But let me ask you, 774 00:36:16,913 --> 00:36:20,221 where is the evidence of foul play 775 00:36:20,221 --> 00:36:22,397 against Irene Silverman? 776 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,835 Was Irene Silverman strangled? 777 00:36:25,835 --> 00:36:28,142 There's nothing here to say that. 778 00:36:28,142 --> 00:36:29,839 What about the guns? 779 00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:31,841 Was Irene Silverman shot? 780 00:36:31,841 --> 00:36:33,408 There's not even any blood. 781 00:36:33,408 --> 00:36:34,583 If she was shot, 782 00:36:34,583 --> 00:36:36,281 there would have to be blood somewhere. 783 00:36:36,281 --> 00:36:39,153 Was Irene Silverman choked? 784 00:36:39,153 --> 00:36:40,807 There would be DNA evidence. 785 00:36:40,807 --> 00:36:44,202 There is none, not a shred. 786 00:36:44,202 --> 00:36:46,378 And if there is no evidence, 787 00:36:46,378 --> 00:36:48,902 there can be no guilt. 788 00:36:48,902 --> 00:36:51,948 Their biggest defense was, "There's no body. 789 00:36:51,948 --> 00:36:53,689 "So how could there be a crime? 790 00:36:53,689 --> 00:36:56,692 "We don't know where Mrs. Silverman is. 791 00:36:56,692 --> 00:36:59,217 "She could be on a round-the-world cruise. 792 00:36:59,217 --> 00:37:01,480 She could be anywhere." 793 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,177 At the end of the day, 794 00:37:03,177 --> 00:37:05,571 you knew no matter what they said, 795 00:37:05,571 --> 00:37:07,442 they could not present a body, 796 00:37:07,442 --> 00:37:09,923 so there was reasonable doubt. 797 00:37:09,923 --> 00:37:13,753 But the jury was still in store for 798 00:37:13,753 --> 00:37:16,277 the most dramatic testimony yet to come. 799 00:37:23,763 --> 00:37:26,069 While the defense argued reasonable doubt, 800 00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:28,246 the prosecution painted Sante Kimes 801 00:37:28,246 --> 00:37:31,771 as the mastermind behind Irene Silverman's murder. 802 00:37:34,339 --> 00:37:37,864 One of the pieces of evidence in the case 803 00:37:37,864 --> 00:37:39,474 was a tape recording. 804 00:37:39,474 --> 00:37:42,521 We recovered the cassette 805 00:37:42,521 --> 00:37:44,871 from that green Lincoln Continental. 806 00:37:44,871 --> 00:37:46,829 There's no way to describe it 807 00:37:46,829 --> 00:37:49,310 except as damning evidence. 808 00:37:49,310 --> 00:37:53,445 It was Irene Silverman's voice and Sante's voice 809 00:37:53,445 --> 00:37:55,011 on a recording. 810 00:37:55,011 --> 00:37:56,839 She posed as a representative 811 00:37:56,839 --> 00:37:58,972 from the Circus Circus Hotel in Las Vegas. 812 00:37:58,972 --> 00:38:01,670 She was telling Irene Silverman 813 00:38:01,670 --> 00:38:04,847 that she had won a trip to Las Vegas. 814 00:38:04,847 --> 00:38:06,501 All she needed to claim it 815 00:38:06,501 --> 00:38:09,417 was her social security number. 816 00:38:09,417 --> 00:38:10,853 This tape was proof 817 00:38:10,853 --> 00:38:13,508 that Sante was actually eavesdropping. 818 00:38:13,508 --> 00:38:14,857 I was horrified. 819 00:38:14,857 --> 00:38:18,034 I mean, Sante had made the recording herself. 820 00:38:18,034 --> 00:38:20,907 I think it had a great impact on the jury 821 00:38:20,907 --> 00:38:24,258 to know that Sante Kimes was on a mission 822 00:38:24,258 --> 00:38:26,304 to dupe Mrs. Silverman. 823 00:38:29,002 --> 00:38:33,049 After 43 days of testimony, the prosecution rested, 824 00:38:33,049 --> 00:38:35,835 and the defense presented their case. 825 00:38:35,835 --> 00:38:38,881 The defense argued to the jury that officers 826 00:38:38,881 --> 00:38:40,883 and the law enforcement officials in this case 827 00:38:40,883 --> 00:38:43,712 did not truly rule out other individuals 828 00:38:43,712 --> 00:38:46,106 that could have become suspects. 829 00:38:46,106 --> 00:38:49,544 Irene Silverman was a very interesting victim 830 00:38:49,544 --> 00:38:52,895 because she did have employees, 831 00:38:52,895 --> 00:38:55,942 some of whom had a self-interest. 832 00:38:55,942 --> 00:39:01,208 And she regularly invited people into her home. 833 00:39:01,208 --> 00:39:05,560 And there was a not-for-profit that would inherit her house 834 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,867 whenever she may have passed. 835 00:39:07,867 --> 00:39:10,086 So you had people in her life, 836 00:39:10,086 --> 00:39:13,263 all of whom could have motivation 837 00:39:13,263 --> 00:39:15,396 for her disappearance and death. 838 00:39:18,834 --> 00:39:20,749 It's always a very tense atmosphere 839 00:39:20,749 --> 00:39:22,447 when the verdict comes in. 840 00:39:22,447 --> 00:39:23,970 You're really literally 841 00:39:23,970 --> 00:39:26,712 practically holding your breath. 842 00:39:26,712 --> 00:39:29,323 As to Sante Kimes, 843 00:39:29,323 --> 00:39:30,716 guilty. 844 00:39:30,716 --> 00:39:32,805 Three counts of murder in the second degree, 845 00:39:32,805 --> 00:39:35,634 one count of robbery and conspiracy, 846 00:39:35,634 --> 00:39:37,723 16 counts of forgery, 847 00:39:37,723 --> 00:39:40,465 29 counts of eavesdropping, 848 00:39:40,465 --> 00:39:42,554 totaling 58 counts. 849 00:39:45,295 --> 00:39:47,776 Kenny was convicted of those exact counts 850 00:39:47,776 --> 00:39:49,778 in addition to two counts 851 00:39:49,778 --> 00:39:51,519 of possession of a forged instrument, 852 00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:54,522 for a total of 60 counts. 853 00:39:54,522 --> 00:39:56,611 "Guilty, guilty, guilty," 854 00:39:56,611 --> 00:40:00,833 rang out dozens and dozens of times. 855 00:40:00,833 --> 00:40:02,487 I was shocked. 856 00:40:02,487 --> 00:40:07,143 The jury unanimously voted the two of them were guilty 857 00:40:07,143 --> 00:40:10,973 without the evidence of Irene's body. 858 00:40:10,973 --> 00:40:13,933 That was the first time in New York City history 859 00:40:13,933 --> 00:40:16,414 that it ever happened. 860 00:40:16,414 --> 00:40:19,068 Before the judge delivered the sentence, 861 00:40:19,068 --> 00:40:20,983 she calls Sante Kimes 862 00:40:20,983 --> 00:40:23,159 "the most degenerate person 863 00:40:23,159 --> 00:40:26,467 who'd ever been in her courtroom." 864 00:40:26,467 --> 00:40:28,469 She knew what we knew. 865 00:40:28,469 --> 00:40:31,951 Sante Kimes was the devil in sheep's clothing. 866 00:40:31,951 --> 00:40:33,953 Following her remarks, 867 00:40:33,953 --> 00:40:36,085 Judge Uviller sentenced Sante Kimes to 868 00:40:36,085 --> 00:40:38,174 120 years in prison 869 00:40:38,174 --> 00:40:42,396 and her son Kenny to 125 years. 870 00:40:44,398 --> 00:40:47,488 Now Los Angeles authorities wanted their turn 871 00:40:47,488 --> 00:40:49,447 for the murder of David Kazdin, 872 00:40:49,447 --> 00:40:51,753 the Kimes' former business partner. 873 00:40:51,753 --> 00:40:54,147 This time Kenny Kimes took a deal. 874 00:40:54,147 --> 00:40:58,151 The deal was that if he told everything about 875 00:40:58,151 --> 00:40:59,718 the Irene Silverman murder 876 00:40:59,718 --> 00:41:01,937 and to confess to the David Kazdin murder, 877 00:41:01,937 --> 00:41:04,766 California would take the death penalty 878 00:41:04,766 --> 00:41:08,683 off the table for him and his mother. 879 00:41:08,683 --> 00:41:13,383 I will never forget Kenny getting on the stand, 880 00:41:13,383 --> 00:41:15,647 and he began to recount 881 00:41:15,647 --> 00:41:18,432 how he murdered Irene Silverman 882 00:41:18,432 --> 00:41:20,913 on July 5th, 1998. 883 00:41:20,913 --> 00:41:24,525 He said that his mother stun-gunned Irene. 884 00:41:24,525 --> 00:41:27,485 She fell to the floor. He choked her. 885 00:41:27,485 --> 00:41:28,964 He put her in the bathtub, 886 00:41:28,964 --> 00:41:31,967 wrapped her in that missing caramel-colored quilt, 887 00:41:31,967 --> 00:41:33,534 duct-taped her, 888 00:41:33,534 --> 00:41:34,927 put her in the trunk of his car, 889 00:41:34,927 --> 00:41:36,494 drove through the Lincoln Tunnel, 890 00:41:36,494 --> 00:41:39,279 and dumped her somewhere in Jersey. 891 00:41:39,279 --> 00:41:41,368 Unfortunately, to this day, 892 00:41:41,368 --> 00:41:46,025 Irene Silverman's body was never found. 893 00:41:46,025 --> 00:41:48,549 Frankly, I was surprised 894 00:41:48,549 --> 00:41:52,074 when I heard that he confessed. 895 00:41:52,074 --> 00:41:55,077 But Sante never confessed 896 00:41:55,077 --> 00:41:58,820 to having killed anyone, for that matter. 897 00:42:01,301 --> 00:42:04,826 Best of all articles relating to the Kimes 898 00:42:04,826 --> 00:42:08,787 is probably this one here. 899 00:42:08,787 --> 00:42:10,832 We knew he did it all along. 900 00:42:13,269 --> 00:42:15,358 Sad. 901 00:42:15,358 --> 00:42:19,232 In 2004, Kenny Kimes was sentenced to life 902 00:42:19,232 --> 00:42:21,582 without the possibility of parole. 903 00:42:21,582 --> 00:42:26,195 That same year, his mother, 79-year-old Sante Kimes, 904 00:42:26,195 --> 00:42:29,416 died in prison while serving her sentence. 905 00:42:29,416 --> 00:42:31,810 The lesson that was learned in this case to me was 906 00:42:31,810 --> 00:42:34,203 you can't judge a book by its cover. 907 00:42:34,203 --> 00:42:37,555 Sante and Kenneth Kimes presented themselves 908 00:42:37,555 --> 00:42:40,079 like the elite, like the affluent, 909 00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:43,952 and they were really the worst people that 910 00:42:43,952 --> 00:42:46,520 anyone could ever come in contact with. 911 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,609 They were serial killers. 912 00:42:48,609 --> 00:42:51,786 The Kimes underestimated a couple of things here. 913 00:42:51,786 --> 00:42:54,702 They underestimated the capabilities 914 00:42:54,702 --> 00:42:57,139 of Irene Silverman. 915 00:42:57,139 --> 00:42:59,838 And they underestimated the professionalism 916 00:42:59,838 --> 00:43:01,056 and the perseverance 917 00:43:01,056 --> 00:43:02,754 of the New York City Police Department. 918 00:43:02,754 --> 00:43:04,799 They met their match. 919 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,068 For the first ten years after she disappeared, 920 00:43:13,068 --> 00:43:16,463 I had this fantasy that she was gonna reappear. 921 00:43:16,463 --> 00:43:18,247 But I gave it up. 922 00:43:18,247 --> 00:43:20,685 I would have been wonderful if it had happened. 923 00:43:20,685 --> 00:43:22,643 She was a special lady. 924 00:43:22,643 --> 00:43:24,036 Here's to Irene. 73164

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