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In the criminal
justice system,
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detectives and prosecutors
face daunting challenges
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when money
is the motive for murder.
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Irene Silverman,
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82 years old,
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last seen July 5th, 1998.
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Irene lived
on the Upper East Side.
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She's worth a lot of money.
Now she's missing.
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The disappearance
of a wealthy socialite
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grips a nation...
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This was the largest search
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that I have
ever participated in by far.
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And New York detectives
stop at nothing to find her.
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The investigation
is in full swing.
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Everyone is riveted
to this case.
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But the city faces a case
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that has never been tried
and won.
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There was no body.
This was an uphill battle.
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No one's prepared
for how twisted
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the real story truly is.
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She was the devil
in sheep's clothing.
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She loved to lie.
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These men and women
dedicate their lives
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to law and order.
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I had nightmares about her.
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She was as dangerous
as a cobra.
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These are
their true stories.
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July 5th, 1998 was
a beautiful summer night.
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There were three of us working
in the detective squad.
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Around 6:00 p.m.,
the detectives were notified
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about a missing person.
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The patrol officers said
that they had
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a missing elderly woman.
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Her name was Irene Silverman.
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When the detectives
responded to
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Irene Silverman's
disappearance,
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they immediately started
conducting interviews.
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She fit the category
of special missing persons
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because of her age,
and that alarmed everyone.
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In 1998,
I was an active detective
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in the 19th precinct.
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I worked with Joe Reznick.
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He was a lieutenant
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in the 34th precinct
detective squad.
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New York City in 1998
was fairly good.
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We had come a long way
as far as crime was concerned.
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You could literally see
good changes
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throughout the city,
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all the way until July 5th,
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when I'm given this case.
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I spent 36 years
doing investigations.
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The ten-foot-tall moments
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that I've encountered
over the years,
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they're rare.
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But on July 5th,
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that's a ten-foot-tall moment.
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Irene Silverman had a staff
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of housekeepers
and personal assistants
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who were all very concerned
with her sudden disappearance.
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One person that was available
that evening
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to talk to detectives
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was a female named Aracelis,
the weekend housekeeper.
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She says that on July 5th,
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approximately 11:45
in the morning,
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she was asked by Irene
to walk the dog,
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clean some garments.
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And she went off to do
those things.
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That, in fact,
was the last time
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that Irene Silverman
was seen by any of the workers.
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They were people that Irene
had employed over the years.
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They were concerned for her.
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So they gave us
a lot of details,
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hoping that that would help us
figure out what happened.
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At about 2:20 that afternoon,
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Irene Silverman received
a phone call.
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Aracelis knocked
on Irene's door,
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but she didn't get a response.
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About 4:40 p.m.,
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Aracelis tried once again
to wake up Irene Silverman
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and then realized
she was not in her apartment.
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We see that the bedroom
is in disarray.
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We asked her
if this was typical
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of Irene Silverman
to keep her bedroom like this.
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Aracelis says,
"Absolutely not."
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Irene's
a very meticulous woman,
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keeps everything neat
and squared away.
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She also said
that Irene Silverman
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always kept a lump sum
of money in her apartment--
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approximately $10,000
in nice, crisp bills.
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That appeared to be missing.
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There was also jewelry missing
from the apartment
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and Irene Silverman's
passport.
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She was adamant
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that something was amiss
with Irene.
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Irene never leaves
the house alone.
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She would have told
somebody where she went.
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Being a millionaire
missing from 65th Street
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in Manhattan,
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Irene Silverman's disappearance
became the top news.
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"NBC News In Depth" tonight--
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the search for a wealthy
and eccentric widow
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missing from her fashionable
New York town house.
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About 50 detectives
are dispatched city-wide.
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We go to the airports.
We're doing flight checks.
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We go to the train station,
the bus stations.
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We are looking
in every nook and cranny.
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This is the Irene I knew...
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where she's sitting
in her living room,
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her very ornately decorated
living room.
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I love this picture of her.
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She's a very sophisticated
lady, you know,
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even though she didn't act
that way.
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It's a very interesting combination
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of personality traits.
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She had no children.
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And I felt, in a way,
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like I was
her adopted daughter.
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She would regale me
with stories of her life.
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Irene Silverman was
a Rockette
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here in New York.
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And on October 3rd, 1941,
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she met a gentleman
named Sam Silverman.
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He was very wealthy.
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They got married and moved to
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a very up-scale section
of the city.
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Because of
her husband's wealth,
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she knew what to do
with finances,
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even after her husband
passed away.
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After Sam died,
she owned property
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in France, Hawaii,
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obviously in New York.
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A wealthy widow,
Irene kept company
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with friends, politicians,
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and well-to-do
New York society.
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Irene liked to throw
elaborate parties.
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She loved having
interesting people come,
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affluent people come.
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She was a party--I'd love to
hang out with Irene Silverman.
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I wish I was invited
to one of her parties.
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Irene would serve
very expensive champagne.
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We went to
some very posh restaurants.
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At that age, she was living
her life to the fullest.
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But Irene's
multimillion-dollar townhome
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was too big
for her to live in alone,
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so she converted
many of the rooms
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into apartments
as short-term rentals.
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Irene liked to rent
to affluent or notable people.
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One was an actor,
Daniel Day-Lewis,
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a singer, Chaka Khan.
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You had to have money
to rent a room from Irene.
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Interviewing everyone
connected to Irene Silverman
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was a must in this case.
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One of the staff members
who we were unable to locate
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was a male
by the name of Menji.
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We wanted to find Menji,
because after she disappeared,
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he went right to Atlanta--
what he said was a vacation.
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That was suspicious to us
at the time.
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A fellow like Menji
becomes interesting
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because we learn
that he had access
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to some of Irene Silverman's
financial records.
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He was guiding her
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on some
of her financial business.
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Definitely heightened us
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to really want
to question him.
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We start tracking them down.
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The search continued
until we find Irene Silverman.
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Irene Silverman...
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very rarely leaves
her residence.
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It seems like she disappeared
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under suspicious circumstances
on 7/5.
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We got to figure out
what went on
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over at 20 East 65th Street.
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We search
the neighboring buildings.
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We try to recover video
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that might have been
on the block.
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We search the house
high and low.
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Inside Irene's office,
we find a sketch
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of what appeared to be a male.
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And, of course, we didn't know
who he was.
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It depicted just basic
characteristics of a person,
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but we were told
that she had drawn that picture
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because she was skeptical
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of the tenant
in apartment 1B--
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a man named Manny Guerrin.
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For Irene Silverman
to draw up a sketch
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two weeks prior
to when she disappeared
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definitely heightened us
to really want to look at him.
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Manny was a businessman
from West Palm Beach.
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He was able to rent
the apartment from Irene
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through her butcher.
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Apparently the butcher
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told him about the apartments
that Irene rents,
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so he had a good reference,
knew somebody that she knew.
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And Manny paid her
$6,000 up front
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to rent a room.
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The staff told us that Irene
was suspicious of him
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from day one
that he rented the apartment.
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There was just something
about him
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that gave her an ill feeling.
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Irene Silverman
also had cameras
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throughout her building.
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She found it strange
that he would elude
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the cameras that she had.
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He'd walk up against the wall,
out of sight.
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The staff also told us
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that she would see him
standing at the door.
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She'd see his feet
through the bottom of the door.
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She'd see him looking
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out the peephole
of the apartment,
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observing her.
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The night of Fourth of July,
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Irene Silverman had a party,
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where she had a discussion
with one of her assistants
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in regards to evicting
Manny Guerrin.
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Their plan was,
is just to serve him
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with an eviction letter
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and to get him
out of the building.
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But the next day,
Irene Silverman had vanished.
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The sketch,
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the apartment
being in disarray,
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her leaving
without telling anyone...
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Now we have ourselves
a mystery on our hands.
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It was frightening.
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There was a stun gun box,
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wigs, Mace,
and plastic handcuffs.
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This is the anatomy
of a frame-up.
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They underestimated
the perseverance
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of the New York City
Police Department.
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They were serial killers.
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Detectives were searching
for two people of interest
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in the missing-persons case
of socialite Irene Silverman--
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her tenant Manny Guerrin
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and her personal assistant
Menji Melis.
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Menji was down in Atlanta,
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but we were able
to contact him.
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So he immediately flew
back to New York.
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While questioning Menji,
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he offered for us to look
at his financial records.
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He was very forthcoming
with all his answers
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and everything he told us.
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After speaking to Menji,
it was just a matter
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of checking out
what he had said.
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We concluded
he has nothing to do
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with Irene Silverman's
disappearance.
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Don't forget--
we were counting hours here.
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We're also tracking down
this guy Manny Guerrin.
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When you look at everything,
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like that sketch
that Irene prepared
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or the strange feelings
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that Irene Silverman
had about them,
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he was a suspect.
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As the investigation
is unfolding,
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we determine that we have
to get into apartment 1B,
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which was
Manny Guerrin's apartment.
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We needed to know,
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was Irene Silverman
in that apartment?
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We get into the apartment.
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We notice
that the bed was stripped,
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and one of the quilts
was missing.
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In the garbage,
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they found some
rolled-up used duct tape.
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There were
some black plastic bags
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that were present in a box,
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and either five
or six bags were missing.
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Add that to all
these other comments
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made by the people
in the building,
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Manny Guerrin
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went from being
a person of interest
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to a suspect in this case.
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Now we know
what we need to do.
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Let's find him.
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During the search
for Manny Guerrin,
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investigators discovered
that he wasn't
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the only resident
in apartment 1B.
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Accompanying Manny Guerrin,
there was a female,
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possibly in her 60s or so.
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She used the name Eve or Eva.
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Some of the information
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we obtained during the investigation
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was that this woman
was living with Manny
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in apartment 1B.
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She was an older woman,
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and Manny Guerrin said that
that woman was his assistant.
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We don't know exactly
what role this woman played,
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00:13:25,979 --> 00:13:29,330
but we needed to talk to her.
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Detectives knew that
with each hour that went by,
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the hope of finding
Irene alive diminished.
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You know, there's thousands
of people missing
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here in New York City.
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And press conferences are great
because you get the publicity.
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So Monday night I conducted
a press conference.
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And I was able
to show the sketch
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that was prepared by the
witnesses earlier in the day.
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Irene Silverman
was in good health,
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both physically and mentally.
296
00:14:01,666 --> 00:14:04,321
However, she would never
leave her residence
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without one of her workers.
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00:14:06,541 --> 00:14:09,544
The disappearance
is highly uncharacteristic
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of the victim.
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The whereabouts
of Irene Silverman
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remains a mystery.
302
00:14:15,637 --> 00:14:18,379
Authorities have also
increased the reward money
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to $10,000,
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00:14:19,641 --> 00:14:21,730
and they're asking
anyone with information
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to call Crime Stoppers.
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00:14:24,689 --> 00:14:28,563
After the press conference,
the FBI called us
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and said, "Listen, you better
get down here.
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We think we have something
that you are looking for."
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00:14:37,572 --> 00:14:40,053
While we were searching
for Irene Silverman,
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the regional joint task force,
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00:14:42,098 --> 00:14:43,491
which is
with different departments,
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arrested Sante and Kenny Kimes
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00:14:46,537 --> 00:14:49,584
based on a warrant
that was issued in Utah.
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Sante and Kenneth Kimes
were a mother and son.
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00:14:52,761 --> 00:14:57,722
They were wanted for an arson
and insurance-fraud case.
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00:14:57,722 --> 00:15:01,944
When Kenny Kimes was searched,
they found identification
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and an American Express
credit card...
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in the name if Irene Silverman.
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00:15:10,866 --> 00:15:14,652
When they searched Sante,
they find $10,000 cash.
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00:15:14,652 --> 00:15:17,264
They asked her
what that money was.
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00:15:17,264 --> 00:15:19,440
She said, "That's nothing.
That was just travel money."
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Detectives were very alarmed.
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00:15:23,183 --> 00:15:26,273
Sante and Kenny Kimes
had Irene's credit card
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00:15:26,273 --> 00:15:28,405
and cash in the same amount
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00:15:28,405 --> 00:15:30,973
that was missing
from Irene's townhome.
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00:15:30,973 --> 00:15:33,367
And they fit a description
of the suspicious tenants
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00:15:33,367 --> 00:15:35,282
from apartment 1B--
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00:15:35,282 --> 00:15:38,285
Manny Guerrin
and his assistant Eva.
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00:15:38,285 --> 00:15:39,764
During the interview,
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00:15:39,764 --> 00:15:41,723
we tried to take
a gentle approach.
331
00:15:41,723 --> 00:15:43,464
And we appealed
to her sense of humanity,
332
00:15:43,464 --> 00:15:45,422
saying, "Listen, Irene's
an older woman,
333
00:15:45,422 --> 00:15:47,468
"a little bit older than you.
334
00:15:47,468 --> 00:15:49,731
"She's very frail.
She can still be alive.
335
00:15:49,731 --> 00:15:51,602
"You still might be able
to save her.
336
00:15:51,602 --> 00:15:53,691
You still might be able
to save yourself."
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It didn't go anywhere.
338
00:15:55,780 --> 00:15:58,131
She said, "Well, she could be
out walking her dog.
339
00:15:58,131 --> 00:15:59,567
"Maybe she fell.
340
00:15:59,567 --> 00:16:01,177
"Maybe she's laying
in an alley somewhere
341
00:16:01,177 --> 00:16:03,614
"down some steps
and she's passed out.
342
00:16:03,614 --> 00:16:06,443
Why are you wasting your time
with me?"
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00:16:06,443 --> 00:16:09,185
Kenny denied knowing her.
He denied anything about her.
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00:16:09,185 --> 00:16:12,014
We asked, "Well, why was the ID
found on you?"
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00:16:12,014 --> 00:16:14,712
And he kept saying, "What ID?
What are you talking about?"
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00:16:14,712 --> 00:16:16,018
Denying it.
347
00:16:16,018 --> 00:16:19,848
Kenny also had a knife,
brass knuckles,
348
00:16:19,848 --> 00:16:21,806
and two sets of keys.
349
00:16:21,806 --> 00:16:26,594
One set of those keys were,
in fact, Irene Silverman's.
350
00:16:27,595 --> 00:16:29,553
We asked,
"Why was her apartment keys
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00:16:29,553 --> 00:16:30,815
found on you?"
352
00:16:30,815 --> 00:16:33,818
And he kept saying,
"What apartment keys?"
353
00:16:33,818 --> 00:16:38,519
Everything seemed to connect
Kenny to Irene's apartment.
354
00:16:38,519 --> 00:16:40,564
It was at that point
we believed
355
00:16:40,564 --> 00:16:43,045
Kenny was the person
renting apartment 1B
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00:16:43,045 --> 00:16:44,394
from Irene Silverman
357
00:16:44,394 --> 00:16:47,528
under the name
of Manny Guerrin.
358
00:16:48,659 --> 00:16:51,184
Detectives believed
that they had finally located
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00:16:51,184 --> 00:16:52,489
the primary suspect
360
00:16:52,489 --> 00:16:54,578
in Irene Silverman's
disappearance.
361
00:16:54,578 --> 00:16:56,667
Hoping to find Irene alive,
362
00:16:56,667 --> 00:16:59,366
they try to cut a deal
for information.
363
00:16:59,366 --> 00:17:00,932
I said, "It's time for you
to fess up.
364
00:17:00,932 --> 00:17:04,501
You can help us find
Irene Silverman."
365
00:17:04,501 --> 00:17:06,895
Kenny started to break
and well up in tears.
366
00:17:06,895 --> 00:17:08,070
We had him.
367
00:17:08,070 --> 00:17:09,550
I thought
he was gonna start talking
368
00:17:09,550 --> 00:17:11,073
and we were gonna have
the answers
369
00:17:11,073 --> 00:17:12,379
that we've been looking for.
370
00:17:12,379 --> 00:17:15,382
All of a sudden,
he turned to stone...
371
00:17:15,382 --> 00:17:18,080
and the tears went away
very quickly,
372
00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,909
and he requested
an attorney at that time.
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00:17:26,523 --> 00:17:28,308
While NYPD patrol units
374
00:17:28,308 --> 00:17:30,527
search the city
for Irene Silverman,
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00:17:30,527 --> 00:17:32,181
detectives continue to learn
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00:17:32,181 --> 00:17:34,270
more about their
primary suspects--
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00:17:34,270 --> 00:17:36,968
Sante Kimes and her son Kenny.
378
00:17:45,412 --> 00:17:48,458
As far as the investigation
was concerned,
379
00:17:48,458 --> 00:17:51,853
we have two suspects
possibly in custody.
380
00:17:51,853 --> 00:17:55,813
It's a matter of figuring out
how they're connected.
381
00:17:55,813 --> 00:17:58,947
Our concentration
was on Irene Silverman.
382
00:17:58,947 --> 00:18:02,081
Where was she?
What did they do with her?
383
00:18:02,081 --> 00:18:04,692
And who is this Kimes family?
384
00:18:04,692 --> 00:18:06,998
Sante Kimes comes
from money.
385
00:18:06,998 --> 00:18:10,828
In the '70s, she married
a man named Ken Kimes Sr.
386
00:18:10,828 --> 00:18:13,962
We learned
that he was a hotel developer.
387
00:18:13,962 --> 00:18:15,920
He was a millionaire.
388
00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,706
Sante and Kenneth Kimes
had so much money,
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00:18:18,706 --> 00:18:20,838
they bought property in Hawaii
390
00:18:20,838 --> 00:18:23,189
in one
of the most expensive areas,
391
00:18:23,189 --> 00:18:26,017
in addition to homes
in Las Vegas.
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00:18:26,017 --> 00:18:27,889
In 1975,
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00:18:27,889 --> 00:18:30,892
they had a son
they named Kenny Jr.
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00:18:30,892 --> 00:18:33,024
Kenny Kimes,
while being brought up,
395
00:18:33,024 --> 00:18:34,591
had the best of everything.
396
00:18:34,591 --> 00:18:36,985
He had private tutors.
He lived in elaborate homes.
397
00:18:36,985 --> 00:18:39,422
He had housekeepers.
He had nannies.
398
00:18:39,422 --> 00:18:41,511
They had plenty of money.
399
00:18:41,511 --> 00:18:44,340
This just wasn't enough
for Sante.
400
00:18:44,340 --> 00:18:46,821
We had done background checks.
401
00:18:46,821 --> 00:18:49,519
One in particular is called
a Triple I check,
402
00:18:49,519 --> 00:18:52,783
where they check other states
for criminal histories.
403
00:18:52,783 --> 00:18:54,611
And what we discovered
about Sante
404
00:18:54,611 --> 00:18:56,265
was that she had, in fact,
405
00:18:56,265 --> 00:19:00,356
approximately 12 prior arrests.
406
00:19:00,356 --> 00:19:02,532
In Washington, D.C.,
407
00:19:02,532 --> 00:19:06,232
Sante and Ken Sr.
were at some elaborate party,
408
00:19:06,232 --> 00:19:07,798
and she happened
to have stolen
409
00:19:07,798 --> 00:19:09,626
a fur coat from the coatroom,
410
00:19:09,626 --> 00:19:11,411
and she was arrested for that.
411
00:19:11,411 --> 00:19:13,456
She also served
three years in prison
412
00:19:13,456 --> 00:19:16,720
for kidnapping back in 1986.
413
00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,071
She held one
of her housekeepers captive
414
00:19:20,071 --> 00:19:22,291
in her house in Hawaii.
415
00:19:23,814 --> 00:19:27,209
Kenny Kimes Sr.
had a distrust for her,
416
00:19:27,209 --> 00:19:31,300
but divorce was never
either of their intentions.
417
00:19:31,300 --> 00:19:34,042
In 1994, he does pass away,
418
00:19:34,042 --> 00:19:37,480
and Sante inherits
all of his wealth.
419
00:19:39,178 --> 00:19:42,398
NYPD was confident
Sante and Kenny Kimes
420
00:19:42,398 --> 00:19:44,487
were behind
Irene's disappearance.
421
00:19:44,487 --> 00:19:46,576
But despite having them
in custody,
422
00:19:46,576 --> 00:19:49,231
investigators had a problem.
423
00:19:49,231 --> 00:19:51,799
Both the FBI and the LAPD
424
00:19:51,799 --> 00:19:54,889
wanted the Kimes
for their own investigations.
425
00:19:54,889 --> 00:19:57,065
We found out
that they were both wanted
426
00:19:57,065 --> 00:20:00,808
in a homicide from LA
for a man named David Kazdin.
427
00:20:00,808 --> 00:20:03,724
David Kazdin was
actually a business associate
428
00:20:03,724 --> 00:20:05,421
with Sante and Kenneth Kimes.
429
00:20:05,421 --> 00:20:08,119
They were involved
in some real-estate fraud.
430
00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:09,817
He wanted out.
431
00:20:09,817 --> 00:20:13,647
An approximate $210,000 loan
was taken out
432
00:20:13,647 --> 00:20:17,085
on his property
without him knowing it.
433
00:20:17,085 --> 00:20:20,654
And then on March 14 of 1998,
434
00:20:20,654 --> 00:20:25,354
his body was discovered
in a dumpster at LAX airport.
435
00:20:28,836 --> 00:20:31,273
We knew
that we had to move quick
436
00:20:31,273 --> 00:20:32,622
to develop our case
437
00:20:32,622 --> 00:20:35,799
before the Kimeses
were extradited back to L.A.
438
00:20:35,799 --> 00:20:37,801
We had to really make friends
439
00:20:37,801 --> 00:20:40,804
so there wouldn't be
any jurisdictional problems.
440
00:20:42,110 --> 00:20:45,244
LAPD agreed to suspend
their investigation
441
00:20:45,244 --> 00:20:49,291
while New York detectives
searched for Irene.
442
00:20:49,291 --> 00:20:51,859
We had a lot of work to do.
443
00:20:51,859 --> 00:20:54,731
Inspector Reznick wanted us
to find Irene Silverman.
444
00:20:54,731 --> 00:20:57,299
By some remote chance,
she might be alive.
445
00:20:57,299 --> 00:21:00,911
So he creates a task force
of about 20 detectives.
446
00:21:00,911 --> 00:21:03,436
We are dubbed
the Silver Task Force.
447
00:21:08,223 --> 00:21:11,182
We held our very first
meeting in the war room.
448
00:21:13,141 --> 00:21:15,186
There was a picture
of Irene Silverman
449
00:21:15,186 --> 00:21:16,840
in the war room.
450
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,843
As a task force
and as detectives and humans,
451
00:21:19,843 --> 00:21:23,804
we all felt that we needed
to solve this case.
452
00:21:23,804 --> 00:21:26,633
This could have been anyone's
grandmother or mother.
453
00:21:26,633 --> 00:21:28,156
We were all very invested
454
00:21:28,156 --> 00:21:31,855
in doing whatever we had to do
to solve this case.
455
00:21:31,855 --> 00:21:34,554
It was very obvious to us
we had two objectives.
456
00:21:34,554 --> 00:21:37,383
One of them was to find
Irene Silverman,
457
00:21:37,383 --> 00:21:39,341
and the second one
was to prove
458
00:21:39,341 --> 00:21:41,082
that Sante and Kenny Kimes
459
00:21:41,082 --> 00:21:43,606
were responsible
for her disappearance.
460
00:21:45,260 --> 00:21:46,957
Detectives look back
at the evidence
461
00:21:46,957 --> 00:21:49,264
found on Kenny and Sante Kimes
462
00:21:49,264 --> 00:21:52,136
and discover a parking stub
for a garage
463
00:21:52,136 --> 00:21:53,616
in Midtown Manhattan.
464
00:21:55,792 --> 00:21:58,534
They recovered
Sante and Kenny's car,
465
00:21:58,534 --> 00:22:00,710
for which a warrant
had been issued.
466
00:22:00,710 --> 00:22:03,322
It became instrumental.
467
00:22:03,322 --> 00:22:05,193
For approximately 30 hours,
468
00:22:05,193 --> 00:22:09,545
a continuous search took place
by the Crime Scene Unit.
469
00:22:09,545 --> 00:22:11,068
The garage was hot.
470
00:22:11,068 --> 00:22:13,332
And there was
a lot of things in that car.
471
00:22:13,332 --> 00:22:16,509
It was a grueling day
in the basement of that garage.
472
00:22:16,509 --> 00:22:17,814
Some of the items
473
00:22:17,814 --> 00:22:19,425
that were recovered
from the car--
474
00:22:19,425 --> 00:22:21,688
there was a stun gun box.
475
00:22:21,688 --> 00:22:23,080
Stun gun was missing,
476
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,474
but the box was there,
and the receipt was there.
477
00:22:25,474 --> 00:22:29,304
One of the things we found
was a caramel-color suitcase.
478
00:22:29,304 --> 00:22:32,742
Inside the suitcase
was a 9-millimeter handgun
479
00:22:32,742 --> 00:22:35,092
which had 15 bullets
in the magazine.
480
00:22:35,092 --> 00:22:37,791
There was also $22,000
in cash,
481
00:22:37,791 --> 00:22:41,882
unused syringes,
and disposable gloves.
482
00:22:41,882 --> 00:22:45,320
In the trunk, police find
an empty duffel bag,
483
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,931
big enough to hide a body.
484
00:22:47,931 --> 00:22:51,370
They also find
a mason jar of liquid.
485
00:22:51,370 --> 00:22:54,285
It was sent to the lab and
determined to be "roofilin,"
486
00:22:54,285 --> 00:22:56,462
which is a knockout drug.
487
00:23:00,291 --> 00:23:04,600
Adding all this now
to what we've had so far,
488
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,428
we came to our conclusion
489
00:23:06,428 --> 00:23:08,996
that Irene Silverman
was murdered.
490
00:23:14,610 --> 00:23:16,612
Evidence discovered
491
00:23:16,612 --> 00:23:18,658
in Sante and Kenny Kimes'
Lincoln Continental
492
00:23:18,658 --> 00:23:21,051
led New York detectives
to believe
493
00:23:21,051 --> 00:23:23,271
they were no longer investigating
494
00:23:23,271 --> 00:23:25,099
a missing-persons case.
495
00:23:27,406 --> 00:23:29,886
Everything now pointed
to Irene Silverman
496
00:23:29,886 --> 00:23:33,324
having been killed
and disposed of by the Kimes.
497
00:23:33,324 --> 00:23:36,502
The need to find her body
created new urgency
498
00:23:36,502 --> 00:23:38,112
for proving a murder case.
499
00:23:38,112 --> 00:23:40,636
We wanted to establish
a timeline
500
00:23:40,636 --> 00:23:42,638
of when Irene was killed.
501
00:23:42,638 --> 00:23:44,466
The parking attendant
assured us
502
00:23:44,466 --> 00:23:48,209
that the car was checked in
on June 14th at 11:02 a.m.
503
00:23:48,209 --> 00:23:51,212
It was not moved
until July 4th.
504
00:23:53,736 --> 00:23:55,434
So we could
kind of narrow down,
505
00:23:55,434 --> 00:23:58,088
he took her out of the building
on July 5th,
506
00:23:58,088 --> 00:24:02,223
from 11:45 a.m.
to 2:20 p.m....
507
00:24:02,223 --> 00:24:03,964
and then he dumped her.
508
00:24:05,879 --> 00:24:07,968
Given that it was
a holiday weekend,
509
00:24:07,968 --> 00:24:09,926
streets were sort of desolate.
510
00:24:09,926 --> 00:24:13,016
This provided Kenny
the ideal opportunity
511
00:24:13,016 --> 00:24:15,062
to just walk that body out.
512
00:24:15,062 --> 00:24:17,456
Lifted up the duffel bag,
put it into the trunk,
513
00:24:17,456 --> 00:24:21,938
and then ransacked
Irene Silverman's apartment.
514
00:24:21,938 --> 00:24:25,333
We're getting
a lot of media attention.
515
00:24:25,333 --> 00:24:28,075
New York City Police
Department has a tips hotline.
516
00:24:28,075 --> 00:24:30,033
And day after day,
they'd call us and say,
517
00:24:30,033 --> 00:24:32,035
"Here, we got another one
for you."
518
00:24:32,035 --> 00:24:33,297
Dozens of police officers
519
00:24:33,297 --> 00:24:35,256
combed the perimeter
of Central Park.
520
00:24:35,256 --> 00:24:39,347
Their search for clues
gained in intensity.
521
00:24:39,347 --> 00:24:43,264
We searched the Meadowlands
in New Jersey based on a tip.
522
00:24:43,264 --> 00:24:47,007
We searched it by ground,
and we searched it by air.
523
00:24:47,007 --> 00:24:49,575
Detectives also were sent
to go through garbage
524
00:24:49,575 --> 00:24:51,185
at garbage dumps,
525
00:24:51,185 --> 00:24:53,187
because we thought
at that point
526
00:24:53,187 --> 00:24:55,885
that Irene Silverman
was dumped in a dumpster.
527
00:24:55,885 --> 00:24:58,018
So we had
probably about 50 detectives
528
00:24:58,018 --> 00:25:00,760
raking through garbage
looking for Irene.
529
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,110
Despite the massive search effort,
530
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:05,547
investigators were unable
to locate
531
00:25:05,547 --> 00:25:07,418
Irene Silverman's remains.
532
00:25:07,418 --> 00:25:11,466
Meanwhile, Sante Kimes
began her own media campaign
533
00:25:11,466 --> 00:25:13,555
from her prison cell
534
00:25:13,555 --> 00:25:16,297
by hiring a production team
to push her own narrative.
535
00:25:16,297 --> 00:25:17,951
It is my great pleasure
536
00:25:17,951 --> 00:25:20,736
to introduce
my beloved attorneys,
537
00:25:20,736 --> 00:25:22,738
who are champions of justice--
538
00:25:22,738 --> 00:25:25,828
Mel Sachs. and this is
Matthew Weissman.
539
00:25:25,828 --> 00:25:28,222
We will have other attorneys
probably helping us.
540
00:25:28,222 --> 00:25:30,267
Sante was doing
press conferences
541
00:25:30,267 --> 00:25:33,270
out of the prison
like she was getting ready
542
00:25:33,270 --> 00:25:34,445
to do a stage performance
543
00:25:34,445 --> 00:25:37,797
as opposed to defending
for her life.
544
00:25:37,797 --> 00:25:39,581
Michael Hardy
was an associate
545
00:25:39,581 --> 00:25:42,497
of civil rights activist
Reverend Al Sharpton.
546
00:25:42,497 --> 00:25:45,718
And Sante wanted him
on her defense team.
547
00:25:45,718 --> 00:25:48,764
I got involved
when I received letters
548
00:25:48,764 --> 00:25:50,549
from Sante.
549
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:53,813
"I really need you."
"We are being prosecuted."
550
00:25:53,813 --> 00:25:55,684
"Our rights
are being violated."
551
00:25:55,684 --> 00:25:59,470
She was appealing
to my instincts, if you will.
552
00:25:59,470 --> 00:26:02,865
And eventually I decided
to say yes.
553
00:26:02,865 --> 00:26:06,390
After she hired
Michael Hardy and Mel Sachs,
554
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:08,915
her defense attorneys
hold press conferences
555
00:26:08,915 --> 00:26:10,830
accusing the NYPD
556
00:26:10,830 --> 00:26:13,006
of setting up
Sante and Kenneth Kimes,
557
00:26:13,006 --> 00:26:14,616
framing them
for the disappearance
558
00:26:14,616 --> 00:26:15,835
of Irene Silverman.
559
00:26:15,835 --> 00:26:17,184
They're not being charged
560
00:26:17,184 --> 00:26:18,881
with murder
or anything of that nature.
561
00:26:18,881 --> 00:26:21,667
It's solely
a warrant from Utah,
562
00:26:21,667 --> 00:26:22,885
and that's it.
563
00:26:22,885 --> 00:26:25,496
This was a way
of detaining them
564
00:26:25,496 --> 00:26:26,759
and holding them.
565
00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:30,197
This is the anatomy
of a frame-up.
566
00:26:30,197 --> 00:26:33,156
The little woman
who has disappeared,
567
00:26:33,156 --> 00:26:35,637
if anything
has ever happened to her,
568
00:26:35,637 --> 00:26:38,597
it's on the hands
of the police.
569
00:26:38,597 --> 00:26:40,033
To prove her innocence,
570
00:26:40,033 --> 00:26:42,209
Sante hired
private investigators
571
00:26:42,209 --> 00:26:44,994
Larry Frost
and Clarissa McNair.
572
00:26:44,994 --> 00:26:47,040
My name is Clarissa McNair.
573
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,956
I became
her private detective.
574
00:26:49,956 --> 00:26:52,828
I got a lot of flak
for taking on this case.
575
00:26:52,828 --> 00:26:56,049
But it was
my first murder case,
576
00:26:56,049 --> 00:27:00,575
and I think everyone
is entitled to a good defense.
577
00:27:00,575 --> 00:27:02,272
If a lawyer were there,
578
00:27:02,272 --> 00:27:04,753
she would tell him
a certain story.
579
00:27:04,753 --> 00:27:06,886
Another lawyer might come
for 20 minutes,
580
00:27:06,886 --> 00:27:08,235
and they'd talk.
581
00:27:08,235 --> 00:27:10,977
She'd tell him
an entirely different version
582
00:27:10,977 --> 00:27:12,413
of the story.
583
00:27:12,413 --> 00:27:14,633
And I'd say,
"Sante, what are you doing?
584
00:27:14,633 --> 00:27:16,069
"We're on your side.
585
00:27:16,069 --> 00:27:18,027
You're confusing everybody."
586
00:27:18,027 --> 00:27:20,073
And she'd say,
"They believe me.
587
00:27:20,073 --> 00:27:21,857
It's my way of having fun."
588
00:27:21,857 --> 00:27:25,687
She loved to lie.
589
00:27:28,864 --> 00:27:30,692
On July 23rd,
590
00:27:30,692 --> 00:27:32,825
detectives intercepted
a phone conversation
591
00:27:32,825 --> 00:27:35,741
between Sante and one
of her private investigators,
592
00:27:35,741 --> 00:27:37,481
Larry Frost.
593
00:27:37,481 --> 00:27:39,440
Sante needed a favor.
594
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:40,920
What she didn't realize
595
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,097
was that all
of her jailhouse conversations
596
00:27:44,097 --> 00:27:45,925
were being monitored.
597
00:27:45,925 --> 00:27:47,927
Sante asked
her private investigator
598
00:27:47,927 --> 00:27:49,232
to go to the Plaza Hotel
599
00:27:49,232 --> 00:27:51,582
to retrieve a bag
that she had checked there.
600
00:27:51,582 --> 00:27:53,672
Unbeknownst to the private investigator,
601
00:27:53,672 --> 00:27:55,282
we had a wiretap on the phone,
602
00:27:55,282 --> 00:27:58,111
and we intercepted
this information.
603
00:27:58,111 --> 00:28:00,287
Once he retrieved the bag,
604
00:28:00,287 --> 00:28:03,638
the authorities
were there waiting.
605
00:28:03,638 --> 00:28:05,988
What became critical
about finding that bag
606
00:28:05,988 --> 00:28:07,729
was the contents.
607
00:28:07,729 --> 00:28:11,820
And those contents included
a .22-caliber handgun
608
00:28:11,820 --> 00:28:14,214
that was wrapped
in a white turban,
609
00:28:14,214 --> 00:28:16,869
forged social security cards,
610
00:28:16,869 --> 00:28:20,089
15 notebooks, wigs, Mace,
611
00:28:20,089 --> 00:28:22,135
and plastic handcuffs.
612
00:28:22,135 --> 00:28:23,658
There were
birth certificates
613
00:28:23,658 --> 00:28:24,833
for Manny Guerrin,
614
00:28:24,833 --> 00:28:27,967
for Kenny Kimes, for Sante--
615
00:28:27,967 --> 00:28:31,971
all sorts of documents
that were incriminating.
616
00:28:31,971 --> 00:28:33,363
Other important items
617
00:28:33,363 --> 00:28:36,366
included these
spiral notebooks.
618
00:28:36,366 --> 00:28:39,500
One page had a list of items.
619
00:28:39,500 --> 00:28:43,286
It included a shower curtain,
rope, tape,
620
00:28:43,286 --> 00:28:47,595
which was most of the evidence
recovered from apartment 1B.
621
00:28:47,595 --> 00:28:51,425
They also find a folder
that said, "Final dynasty,"
622
00:28:51,425 --> 00:28:54,210
which was a key piece
of evidence.
623
00:28:54,210 --> 00:28:58,084
Inside was the deed
of Irene Silverman's mansion.
624
00:29:00,869 --> 00:29:03,176
The paperwork said
that Irene sold
625
00:29:03,176 --> 00:29:06,222
her very, very expensive
$10 million town house
626
00:29:06,222 --> 00:29:10,574
for only $300,000
to an offshore account
627
00:29:10,574 --> 00:29:13,447
which had the name
The Atlantic Group.
628
00:29:13,447 --> 00:29:16,363
It was forged.
It all looked bad.
629
00:29:16,363 --> 00:29:18,365
It was the evidence
detectives needed
630
00:29:18,365 --> 00:29:21,368
to secure a motive
in Irene's murder.
631
00:29:21,368 --> 00:29:25,241
Knowing Sante's history
of obtaining money,
632
00:29:25,241 --> 00:29:28,767
the plot was, kill Irene,
take over the town house,
633
00:29:28,767 --> 00:29:30,769
move the money to
an offshore account,
634
00:29:30,769 --> 00:29:32,945
and then dump her
somewhere in Jersey.
635
00:29:35,730 --> 00:29:38,646
On December 16th, 1998,
636
00:29:38,646 --> 00:29:40,953
the mother-son duo
were indicted
637
00:29:40,953 --> 00:29:43,303
on 84 counts,
638
00:29:43,303 --> 00:29:45,435
which included
a second-degree murder,
639
00:29:45,435 --> 00:29:49,178
burglary, robbery,
as well as fraud.
640
00:29:49,178 --> 00:29:51,528
But there was
no direct evidence--
641
00:29:51,528 --> 00:29:54,967
no DNA, no fingerprints,
none of that.
642
00:29:54,967 --> 00:29:58,709
This was
a pure circumstantial case,
643
00:29:58,709 --> 00:30:02,104
and prosecutors knew
they had an uphill battle.
644
00:30:10,721 --> 00:30:12,462
Okay, just relax.
645
00:30:12,462 --> 00:30:14,725
And then the pauses
are really great.
646
00:30:14,725 --> 00:30:15,857
They're essential.
647
00:30:17,119 --> 00:30:18,991
Just relax, Ken.
648
00:30:18,991 --> 00:30:22,081
Hello, my name is
Kenneth Kimes.
649
00:30:23,299 --> 00:30:25,127
You don't really know me.
650
00:30:25,127 --> 00:30:26,781
You may think you know me.
651
00:30:26,781 --> 00:30:29,653
You may think you know
my mother, but you don't.
652
00:30:29,653 --> 00:30:31,177
We are innocent.
653
00:30:35,268 --> 00:30:38,184
There were lots of stories
about Sante and Kenny.
654
00:30:38,184 --> 00:30:41,448
The tabloids had a field day.
655
00:30:41,448 --> 00:30:43,319
She would often call
the press,
656
00:30:43,319 --> 00:30:45,974
try to give statements
to various newspapers.
657
00:30:45,974 --> 00:30:48,150
Sante was a celebrity.
658
00:30:48,150 --> 00:30:50,761
I mean, she literally used to
have reporters
659
00:30:50,761 --> 00:30:54,156
come up to her cell
and be giving interviews.
660
00:30:54,156 --> 00:30:56,855
We're innocent,
and if just given our rights,
661
00:30:56,855 --> 00:30:58,465
we will prove it.
662
00:30:58,465 --> 00:31:02,599
Sante Kimes was
practically Meryl Streep.
663
00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:06,168
Her eyes could fill with tears
in a second.
664
00:31:06,168 --> 00:31:08,040
This case is different,
like you said,
665
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:09,606
in that they don't have
any evidence.
666
00:31:09,606 --> 00:31:11,521
This case should have...
- We will show that...
667
00:31:11,521 --> 00:31:13,349
- Never even been--
- At trial, Sante.
668
00:31:13,349 --> 00:31:15,351
If you're gonna defend someone
669
00:31:15,351 --> 00:31:17,223
who's being accused of murder,
670
00:31:17,223 --> 00:31:20,966
I do not want my client
doing daily interviews
671
00:31:20,966 --> 00:31:22,576
about the case.
672
00:31:22,576 --> 00:31:25,796
But Sante continuously
neglected to take
673
00:31:25,796 --> 00:31:27,407
the advice of her attorneys.
674
00:31:27,407 --> 00:31:30,976
The reason why we're doing
this before trial is because
675
00:31:30,976 --> 00:31:34,544
of the unfair portrayal
that's been given about us.
676
00:31:34,544 --> 00:31:35,894
I mean, I've even
heard rumors about
677
00:31:35,894 --> 00:31:38,940
how I don't love my mother,
how I hate her.
678
00:31:38,940 --> 00:31:42,161
The media has portrayed us
totally like we are not.
679
00:31:42,161 --> 00:31:44,119
We're just a mother and son.
680
00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:46,948
Essentially, what Sante
was attempting to do
681
00:31:46,948 --> 00:31:49,646
is gain some sort of sympathy.
682
00:31:49,646 --> 00:31:53,781
You are talking about
potential jurors
683
00:31:53,781 --> 00:31:57,263
reading newspapers,
watching the news.
684
00:31:57,263 --> 00:32:00,744
So she was hoping to get to
and through them.
685
00:32:00,744 --> 00:32:04,748
If you believe
in justice or family,
686
00:32:04,748 --> 00:32:06,968
I beg for your help.
687
00:32:06,968 --> 00:32:09,536
My son and I are innocent.
688
00:32:09,536 --> 00:32:11,451
Her playing with the media
689
00:32:11,451 --> 00:32:14,454
and attempting to generate
some sympathy
690
00:32:14,454 --> 00:32:16,978
makes me want to laugh,
691
00:32:16,978 --> 00:32:22,244
because people who commit
these crimes are sociopaths.
692
00:32:22,244 --> 00:32:23,680
Over the next year,
693
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,508
detectives work closely
with the DA
694
00:32:25,508 --> 00:32:26,988
to prepare for trial.
695
00:32:26,988 --> 00:32:29,817
But despite all
the circumstantial evidence
696
00:32:29,817 --> 00:32:30,992
in their favor,
697
00:32:30,992 --> 00:32:34,343
a conviction was a long shot.
698
00:32:34,343 --> 00:32:36,258
The Silver Task Force,
along with the DAs,
699
00:32:36,258 --> 00:32:37,868
really were up
against something
700
00:32:37,868 --> 00:32:40,262
that New York City
has never seen before.
701
00:32:40,262 --> 00:32:42,786
We were going
for a murder conviction
702
00:32:42,786 --> 00:32:44,223
without having a body.
703
00:32:44,223 --> 00:32:45,964
We didn't have
any forensic evidence--
704
00:32:45,964 --> 00:32:50,925
no blood, no hair fibers,
no fabric fibers, nothing.
705
00:32:50,925 --> 00:32:53,493
In a case
where there's no body,
706
00:32:53,493 --> 00:32:57,062
the likelihood of
it ending in a conviction
707
00:32:57,062 --> 00:32:59,020
was slim to none.
708
00:33:03,111 --> 00:33:04,939
Going into the trial,
709
00:33:04,939 --> 00:33:07,681
Judge Rena Uviller
was the judge.
710
00:33:07,681 --> 00:33:10,510
And Judge Uviller had
a great reputation.
711
00:33:10,510 --> 00:33:13,295
And so you really felt like
you were walking into
712
00:33:13,295 --> 00:33:15,297
a level playing field.
713
00:33:15,297 --> 00:33:17,038
To limit any influence
on the jurors
714
00:33:17,038 --> 00:33:18,474
and the outcome of the trial,
715
00:33:18,474 --> 00:33:20,999
Judge Uviller
barred all cameras
716
00:33:20,999 --> 00:33:23,044
inside the courtroom.
717
00:33:29,572 --> 00:33:32,488
First drawing I did
of Sante and Kenneth,
718
00:33:32,488 --> 00:33:34,447
the son
was exceptionally handsome
719
00:33:34,447 --> 00:33:35,926
and put together,
720
00:33:35,926 --> 00:33:38,016
although he had kind of
a vacantness about his eyes.
721
00:33:38,016 --> 00:33:41,628
His mother, she just looked,
like, dangerous.
722
00:33:41,628 --> 00:33:43,760
Her eyes were like coals.
723
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,546
And there was
something kind of strange
724
00:33:46,546 --> 00:33:49,070
about the relationship
between Sante and Kenny.
725
00:33:49,070 --> 00:33:52,030
There was a physical intimacy
that is unusual
726
00:33:52,030 --> 00:33:56,295
between a mother and her son.
727
00:33:56,295 --> 00:33:59,907
She would actually grasp
her son's hand
728
00:33:59,907 --> 00:34:04,172
and hold on to it like
he was a child
729
00:34:04,172 --> 00:34:06,044
or like he was her man.
730
00:34:06,044 --> 00:34:10,004
The judge had the feeling
Sante was in fact manipulating
731
00:34:10,004 --> 00:34:13,094
everyone in the courtroom
by this display of affection.
732
00:34:13,094 --> 00:34:15,357
Oh, who could think
such horrible things about
733
00:34:15,357 --> 00:34:17,316
such a caring mother?
734
00:34:17,316 --> 00:34:19,709
And she just said,
"Cut it out."
735
00:34:19,709 --> 00:34:23,931
And after that, they were put
several seats apart.
736
00:34:27,891 --> 00:34:32,374
On February 14th of 2000,
the trial eventually commenced.
737
00:34:32,374 --> 00:34:34,028
In their opening statements,
738
00:34:34,028 --> 00:34:37,118
the prosecution painted
Sante Kimes
739
00:34:37,118 --> 00:34:39,729
as a woman addicted to crime.
740
00:34:39,729 --> 00:34:41,470
Ladies and gentlemen
of the jury,
741
00:34:41,470 --> 00:34:44,734
this is a case
about arrogance and greed.
742
00:34:44,734 --> 00:34:47,085
The prosecution did bring up
743
00:34:47,085 --> 00:34:50,349
that Sante had a very nice life
744
00:34:50,349 --> 00:34:53,308
as the wife of
a multimillionaire.
745
00:34:53,308 --> 00:34:56,355
But she still was driven
to steal.
746
00:34:56,355 --> 00:34:58,748
This was a compulsion.
747
00:34:58,748 --> 00:35:00,620
And I think
there was something in her
748
00:35:00,620 --> 00:35:04,624
that was constantly thirsting
for thrills.
749
00:35:06,016 --> 00:35:08,671
Sante Kimes was dangerous.
750
00:35:08,671 --> 00:35:10,630
I never stopped feeling
751
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:13,981
she was as dangerous
as a cobra.
752
00:35:13,981 --> 00:35:17,158
This mother-son duo,
753
00:35:17,158 --> 00:35:20,248
they had long planned to steal
754
00:35:20,248 --> 00:35:24,513
Irene's $7 million town house.
755
00:35:24,513 --> 00:35:27,951
The mother posed as Irene
in this case,
756
00:35:27,951 --> 00:35:31,955
duped a notary into approving
a fraudulent deed
757
00:35:31,955 --> 00:35:35,045
that transferred the ownership
of the mansion
758
00:35:35,045 --> 00:35:37,178
to a Kimes-owned shell company
759
00:35:37,178 --> 00:35:39,963
after stealing
Irene's identity.
760
00:35:39,963 --> 00:35:43,184
She had to be gotten
out of their way.
761
00:35:43,184 --> 00:35:45,926
Now, I'm confident
that at the end of this trial,
762
00:35:45,926 --> 00:35:48,276
you will be left
with no choice
763
00:35:48,276 --> 00:35:49,669
but to come back
with a verdict,
764
00:35:49,669 --> 00:35:52,367
guilty as to all counts.
765
00:35:53,716 --> 00:35:56,023
This is a picture
of Michael Hardy
766
00:35:56,023 --> 00:35:59,287
doing his opening argument
with Sante.
767
00:35:59,287 --> 00:36:00,854
Ladies and gentlemen,
768
00:36:00,854 --> 00:36:03,117
there's gonna be
a mountain of evidence
769
00:36:03,117 --> 00:36:05,467
that the prosecution
puts before you.
770
00:36:05,467 --> 00:36:07,861
They are going to show you
771
00:36:07,861 --> 00:36:12,126
date-rape drugs, rope,
tape, guns.
772
00:36:12,126 --> 00:36:14,998
They're gonna show you
all of these things.
773
00:36:14,998 --> 00:36:16,913
But let me ask you,
774
00:36:16,913 --> 00:36:20,221
where is the evidence
of foul play
775
00:36:20,221 --> 00:36:22,397
against Irene Silverman?
776
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,835
Was Irene Silverman strangled?
777
00:36:25,835 --> 00:36:28,142
There's nothing here to
say that.
778
00:36:28,142 --> 00:36:29,839
What about the guns?
779
00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:31,841
Was Irene Silverman shot?
780
00:36:31,841 --> 00:36:33,408
There's not even any blood.
781
00:36:33,408 --> 00:36:34,583
If she was shot,
782
00:36:34,583 --> 00:36:36,281
there would have to be
blood somewhere.
783
00:36:36,281 --> 00:36:39,153
Was Irene Silverman choked?
784
00:36:39,153 --> 00:36:40,807
There would be DNA evidence.
785
00:36:40,807 --> 00:36:44,202
There is none, not a shred.
786
00:36:44,202 --> 00:36:46,378
And if there is no evidence,
787
00:36:46,378 --> 00:36:48,902
there can be no guilt.
788
00:36:48,902 --> 00:36:51,948
Their biggest defense was,
"There's no body.
789
00:36:51,948 --> 00:36:53,689
"So how could there be
a crime?
790
00:36:53,689 --> 00:36:56,692
"We don't know
where Mrs. Silverman is.
791
00:36:56,692 --> 00:36:59,217
"She could be on
a round-the-world cruise.
792
00:36:59,217 --> 00:37:01,480
She could be anywhere."
793
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,177
At the end of the day,
794
00:37:03,177 --> 00:37:05,571
you knew
no matter what they said,
795
00:37:05,571 --> 00:37:07,442
they could not present a body,
796
00:37:07,442 --> 00:37:09,923
so there was reasonable doubt.
797
00:37:09,923 --> 00:37:13,753
But the jury was
still in store for
798
00:37:13,753 --> 00:37:16,277
the most dramatic testimony
yet to come.
799
00:37:23,763 --> 00:37:26,069
While the defense
argued reasonable doubt,
800
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:28,246
the prosecution
painted Sante Kimes
801
00:37:28,246 --> 00:37:31,771
as the mastermind behind
Irene Silverman's murder.
802
00:37:34,339 --> 00:37:37,864
One of the pieces
of evidence in the case
803
00:37:37,864 --> 00:37:39,474
was a tape recording.
804
00:37:39,474 --> 00:37:42,521
We recovered the cassette
805
00:37:42,521 --> 00:37:44,871
from that green
Lincoln Continental.
806
00:37:44,871 --> 00:37:46,829
There's no way to
describe it
807
00:37:46,829 --> 00:37:49,310
except as damning evidence.
808
00:37:49,310 --> 00:37:53,445
It was Irene Silverman's voice
and Sante's voice
809
00:37:53,445 --> 00:37:55,011
on a recording.
810
00:37:55,011 --> 00:37:56,839
She posed
as a representative
811
00:37:56,839 --> 00:37:58,972
from the Circus Circus Hotel
in Las Vegas.
812
00:37:58,972 --> 00:38:01,670
She was telling
Irene Silverman
813
00:38:01,670 --> 00:38:04,847
that she had won
a trip to Las Vegas.
814
00:38:04,847 --> 00:38:06,501
All she needed to claim it
815
00:38:06,501 --> 00:38:09,417
was her social security number.
816
00:38:09,417 --> 00:38:10,853
This tape was proof
817
00:38:10,853 --> 00:38:13,508
that Sante
was actually eavesdropping.
818
00:38:13,508 --> 00:38:14,857
I was horrified.
819
00:38:14,857 --> 00:38:18,034
I mean, Sante had made
the recording herself.
820
00:38:18,034 --> 00:38:20,907
I think it had a great impact
on the jury
821
00:38:20,907 --> 00:38:24,258
to know that Sante Kimes
was on a mission
822
00:38:24,258 --> 00:38:26,304
to dupe Mrs. Silverman.
823
00:38:29,002 --> 00:38:33,049
After 43 days of testimony,
the prosecution rested,
824
00:38:33,049 --> 00:38:35,835
and the defense presented
their case.
825
00:38:35,835 --> 00:38:38,881
The defense argued to
the jury that officers
826
00:38:38,881 --> 00:38:40,883
and the law enforcement
officials in this case
827
00:38:40,883 --> 00:38:43,712
did not truly rule out
other individuals
828
00:38:43,712 --> 00:38:46,106
that could have become suspects.
829
00:38:46,106 --> 00:38:49,544
Irene Silverman was
a very interesting victim
830
00:38:49,544 --> 00:38:52,895
because she did have employees,
831
00:38:52,895 --> 00:38:55,942
some of whom
had a self-interest.
832
00:38:55,942 --> 00:39:01,208
And she regularly invited
people into her home.
833
00:39:01,208 --> 00:39:05,560
And there was a not-for-profit
that would inherit her house
834
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,867
whenever she may have passed.
835
00:39:07,867 --> 00:39:10,086
So you had people in her life,
836
00:39:10,086 --> 00:39:13,263
all of whom could
have motivation
837
00:39:13,263 --> 00:39:15,396
for her disappearance
and death.
838
00:39:18,834 --> 00:39:20,749
It's always
a very tense atmosphere
839
00:39:20,749 --> 00:39:22,447
when the verdict comes in.
840
00:39:22,447 --> 00:39:23,970
You're really literally
841
00:39:23,970 --> 00:39:26,712
practically holding
your breath.
842
00:39:26,712 --> 00:39:29,323
As to Sante Kimes,
843
00:39:29,323 --> 00:39:30,716
guilty.
844
00:39:30,716 --> 00:39:32,805
Three counts of murder
in the second degree,
845
00:39:32,805 --> 00:39:35,634
one count of robbery
and conspiracy,
846
00:39:35,634 --> 00:39:37,723
16 counts of forgery,
847
00:39:37,723 --> 00:39:40,465
29 counts of eavesdropping,
848
00:39:40,465 --> 00:39:42,554
totaling 58 counts.
849
00:39:45,295 --> 00:39:47,776
Kenny was convicted of
those exact counts
850
00:39:47,776 --> 00:39:49,778
in addition to two counts
851
00:39:49,778 --> 00:39:51,519
of possession
of a forged instrument,
852
00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:54,522
for a total of 60 counts.
853
00:39:54,522 --> 00:39:56,611
"Guilty, guilty, guilty,"
854
00:39:56,611 --> 00:40:00,833
rang out
dozens and dozens of times.
855
00:40:00,833 --> 00:40:02,487
I was shocked.
856
00:40:02,487 --> 00:40:07,143
The jury unanimously voted
the two of them were guilty
857
00:40:07,143 --> 00:40:10,973
without the evidence
of Irene's body.
858
00:40:10,973 --> 00:40:13,933
That was the first time
in New York City history
859
00:40:13,933 --> 00:40:16,414
that it ever happened.
860
00:40:16,414 --> 00:40:19,068
Before the judge
delivered the sentence,
861
00:40:19,068 --> 00:40:20,983
she calls Sante Kimes
862
00:40:20,983 --> 00:40:23,159
"the most degenerate person
863
00:40:23,159 --> 00:40:26,467
who'd ever been
in her courtroom."
864
00:40:26,467 --> 00:40:28,469
She knew what we knew.
865
00:40:28,469 --> 00:40:31,951
Sante Kimes was the devil
in sheep's clothing.
866
00:40:31,951 --> 00:40:33,953
Following her remarks,
867
00:40:33,953 --> 00:40:36,085
Judge Uviller sentenced
Sante Kimes to
868
00:40:36,085 --> 00:40:38,174
120 years in prison
869
00:40:38,174 --> 00:40:42,396
and her son Kenny to
125 years.
870
00:40:44,398 --> 00:40:47,488
Now Los Angeles authorities
wanted their turn
871
00:40:47,488 --> 00:40:49,447
for the murder of
David Kazdin,
872
00:40:49,447 --> 00:40:51,753
the Kimes'
former business partner.
873
00:40:51,753 --> 00:40:54,147
This time Kenny Kimes
took a deal.
874
00:40:54,147 --> 00:40:58,151
The deal was that
if he told everything about
875
00:40:58,151 --> 00:40:59,718
the Irene Silverman murder
876
00:40:59,718 --> 00:41:01,937
and to confess to
the David Kazdin murder,
877
00:41:01,937 --> 00:41:04,766
California would take
the death penalty
878
00:41:04,766 --> 00:41:08,683
off the table
for him and his mother.
879
00:41:08,683 --> 00:41:13,383
I will never forget
Kenny getting on the stand,
880
00:41:13,383 --> 00:41:15,647
and he began to recount
881
00:41:15,647 --> 00:41:18,432
how he murdered
Irene Silverman
882
00:41:18,432 --> 00:41:20,913
on July 5th, 1998.
883
00:41:20,913 --> 00:41:24,525
He said that his mother
stun-gunned Irene.
884
00:41:24,525 --> 00:41:27,485
She fell to the floor.
He choked her.
885
00:41:27,485 --> 00:41:28,964
He put her in the bathtub,
886
00:41:28,964 --> 00:41:31,967
wrapped her in that missing
caramel-colored quilt,
887
00:41:31,967 --> 00:41:33,534
duct-taped her,
888
00:41:33,534 --> 00:41:34,927
put her in the trunk
of his car,
889
00:41:34,927 --> 00:41:36,494
drove through
the Lincoln Tunnel,
890
00:41:36,494 --> 00:41:39,279
and dumped her
somewhere in Jersey.
891
00:41:39,279 --> 00:41:41,368
Unfortunately, to this day,
892
00:41:41,368 --> 00:41:46,025
Irene Silverman's body
was never found.
893
00:41:46,025 --> 00:41:48,549
Frankly, I was surprised
894
00:41:48,549 --> 00:41:52,074
when I heard that he confessed.
895
00:41:52,074 --> 00:41:55,077
But Sante never confessed
896
00:41:55,077 --> 00:41:58,820
to having killed anyone,
for that matter.
897
00:42:01,301 --> 00:42:04,826
Best of all articles
relating to the Kimes
898
00:42:04,826 --> 00:42:08,787
is probably this one here.
899
00:42:08,787 --> 00:42:10,832
We knew he did it all along.
900
00:42:13,269 --> 00:42:15,358
Sad.
901
00:42:15,358 --> 00:42:19,232
In 2004, Kenny Kimes was
sentenced to life
902
00:42:19,232 --> 00:42:21,582
without the possibility
of parole.
903
00:42:21,582 --> 00:42:26,195
That same year, his mother,
79-year-old Sante Kimes,
904
00:42:26,195 --> 00:42:29,416
died in prison
while serving her sentence.
905
00:42:29,416 --> 00:42:31,810
The lesson that was learned
in this case to me was
906
00:42:31,810 --> 00:42:34,203
you can't judge a book
by its cover.
907
00:42:34,203 --> 00:42:37,555
Sante and Kenneth Kimes
presented themselves
908
00:42:37,555 --> 00:42:40,079
like the elite,
like the affluent,
909
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:43,952
and they were really
the worst people that
910
00:42:43,952 --> 00:42:46,520
anyone could ever come
in contact with.
911
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,609
They were serial killers.
912
00:42:48,609 --> 00:42:51,786
The Kimes underestimated
a couple of things here.
913
00:42:51,786 --> 00:42:54,702
They underestimated
the capabilities
914
00:42:54,702 --> 00:42:57,139
of Irene Silverman.
915
00:42:57,139 --> 00:42:59,838
And they underestimated
the professionalism
916
00:42:59,838 --> 00:43:01,056
and the perseverance
917
00:43:01,056 --> 00:43:02,754
of the New York City
Police Department.
918
00:43:02,754 --> 00:43:04,799
They met their match.
919
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,068
For the first ten years
after she disappeared,
920
00:43:13,068 --> 00:43:16,463
I had this fantasy that
she was gonna reappear.
921
00:43:16,463 --> 00:43:18,247
But I gave it up.
922
00:43:18,247 --> 00:43:20,685
I would have been wonderful
if it had happened.
923
00:43:20,685 --> 00:43:22,643
She was a special lady.
924
00:43:22,643 --> 00:43:24,036
Here's to Irene.
73164
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