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In the criminal justice system,
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the people are represented
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by two separate,
yet equally important groups:
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the police,
who investigate crime,
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and the district attorneys,
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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Hello?
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Detective.
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Oh, Detective.
Welcome back.
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Yeah, good to be back.
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Most part.
- Mm-hmm.
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Vic looks familiar.
Stabbed?
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There appear to be two wounds
on the side of the torso.
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Based on the location,
I'm guessing punctured lungs.
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Looks like a cyclone
tore through here.
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He put up a hell of a fight.
- Yeah.
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Whoever the killer was, they
did not leave here unscathed.
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Is that a Pulitzer?
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Awarded for local reporting
to Jacob Ackerman.
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My dad used
to read him every day
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when he covered the city
for "The Guardian."
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No one reported like he did.
- Detectives.
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Found the vic's phone
over there in the hallway.
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He dialed 911.
Didn't press send.
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There's no sign
of forced entry?
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No,
neighbor who called it in
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said the door was wide open
when he got here.
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Thank you, Officer.
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What are you thinking?
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I'm thinking our vic saw
something through the window,
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and then went outside
to check it out.
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He interrupts
someone vandalizing his house.
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They have words.
It gets heated.
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Yeah, he goes back inside
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to get his cell phone
to call the cops.
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Killer follows him in.
Fight ensues.
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Ackerman ends up dead.
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I read his website
every morning.
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Only unbiased news source
you can find these days.
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Man was a legend.
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Now, he's a headline.
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I was taking Otto, my dog,
for a walk
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when I saw someone bolt
like a bat out of hell
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out of Jacob's house.
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Can you describe
the person you saw?
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I didn't get to see his face.
It all happened so fast.
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How about any details
on what they were wearing?
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A big ski jacket,
and they had a winter hat on.
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Can you describe the jacket?
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Like, dark green.
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And it had really bright,
fluorescent orange accents.
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Could you tell if the suspect
was a man or a woman?
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Honestly,
I couldn't say for sure.
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How about height?
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I don't know.
Maybe 5'8", 5'9".
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Thank you so much
for your help.
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If you remember anything else,
give us a call.
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Great, we're looking
for a shortish man
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or a tallish woman.
- Yeah.
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And if they were
all bundled up,
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the door cams aren't
gonna be much help.
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- Sir, behind the tape.
- You have to let me through.
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This is my father's house!
- Hey, sir?
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Hey, sir.
How can we help you?
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Who did that?
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What's going on?
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Um, I hate to tell you this,
but there's been an incident.
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And your father was attacked.
- Oh, my God.
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Unfortunately,
he didn't survive.
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We're very sorry.
- I'm sorry.
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Oh, the son of a bitch!
I knew it!
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You knew it?
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What do you mean?
You know who did this?
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Yeah, Lamar Cordell.
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The podcaster?
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He prides himself
on being controversial.
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He's not controversial.
He's hateful.
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He was pushing some nonsense
on his show
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about the Jews
being responsible
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for the oppression
of Black people.
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My father wrote an op-ed
calling him out over it.
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And I'm guessing Cordell
didn't take it too well.
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A few days ago,
he sent my father a DM
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saying he was gonna do to him
what the Jews did to Jesus.
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Seriously?
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Of course Ackerman
would weaponize his lies
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to get the cops
to come after me.
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Mm-mm-mm.
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This is America, y'all,
in 2023,
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where the free-thinkers
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who've red-pilled themselves
from the sheep, well--
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Will you just
answer the question?
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Did you threaten
Jacob Ackerman's life?
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I am the victim here.
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Look, Ackerman and his tribe
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are trying to stop people from
learning the unsanctioned truth
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of what they've done to us,
my brother.
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Oh, no.
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I am not your brother in this,
OK?
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Your brand of crazy,
that's all you.
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I hate to break the news
to you, buddy,
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but when it comes
to being a victim,
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Ackerman's definitely
got you beat.
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- How's that?
- He was murdered this morning.
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And you happened to threaten
to do that to him
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three days ago, brother.
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Well,
I didn't mean it literally.
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Look,
I wasn't gonna kill him.
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I was--I was saying
I was gonna make him a martyr
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for his cause.
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Well, that clears that up.
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Look,
the more he and I fought,
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the more people paid attention.
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More attention
brings in clicks,
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and more clicks,
more money.
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Look, I don't believe
half the things I say.
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But that's
how the game is played.
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Oh, so you're saying
you two were friends?
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No, I needed him.
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Like I stated,
he's good for business.
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OK. Where were you
6:00 a.m. this morning?
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Here, like every other day.
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The keypad entry system
at the recording studio
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confirms Lamar Cordell
was there
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at the time of the murder.
- So he's not our killer.
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He's just a guy pretending
to want Ackerman dead
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for clickbait.
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ME's report says
the knife used
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to kill Ackerman likely
had a 7- or 8-inch blade
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with a serrated edge.
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That's a hunting knife.
That's hardcore.
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Cordell
might not have believed
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the anti-Jewish hate he spewed,
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but his comments fired up
a lot of people who do.
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I found a ton of online hate
directed at Ackerman.
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Fantastic.
Hundreds of suspects.
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Love that.
- Gets worse.
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Two days ago,
Ackerman was doxxed
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by an anonymous poster on
an anti-Semitic Reddit thread.
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Listed Ackerman's home address.
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Say what you want
about sticks and stones,
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but words today
can definitely kill you.
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Forensics didn't find
a second blood type
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at the crime scene,
but they did find
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a partial print
on the spray paint can.
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Belongs to a guy by the name
of Lucas Hobbs, 25 years old.
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He's got plenty of priors too--
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aggravated assault,
harassment--
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and a known association
with the Wolves of Vanguard.
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I'm guessing that's not a
nature enthusiast organization.
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No, it is a white
supremacist militia group.
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Lucas Hobbs,
how you doing?
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Hey, come on.
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Police!
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Oh, no.
Not today, sweetheart.
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Get over here.
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Lucas Hobbs,
you're under arrest.
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You have the right
to remain silent.
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Anything you say--
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You think you can stop us,
but you can't.
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This is a movement.
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Revelation is coming.
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I think
you mean incarceration.
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Come on,
we got your fingerprints
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on the spray paint can.
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So?
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So Ackerman come outside
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while you were
defacing his property.
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You guys have words?
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When did they, uh,
saddle you with him?
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About six months ago.
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Dream come true.
Thanks for asking.
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Be careful.
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Never trust one of them
with a gun.
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You know,
I'm about this close
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from letting you walk free
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just so I can find you
in the street
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and finish this conversation,
just you and me.
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Well, that's good with me.
You just let me know.
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As much as I would love
to see that conversation,
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we're not gonna let you go.
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So you either tell us
your side of the story
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or we'll skip to the good part
when we charge you with murder.
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I told you already,
I didn't kill him.
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I just tagged his house.
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I wanted to expose how these
Zionists control the media.
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Yeah, but, you see,
the Zionist you were exposing
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wound up dead.
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That's his problem, not mine.
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I never even saw the guy.
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Say what you want,
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but I didn't kill
that Jew reporter.
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We got video of Hobbs
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on the subway platform
near Ackerman's brownstone
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boarding a Bronx-bound train
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ten minutes before
Ackerman's neighbor called 911.
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And he wasn't wearing
a green jacket,
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as your witness described.
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So he's telling the truth.
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Yeah, it looks that way.
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Well, that clears him
of the murder,
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but he's still guilty
of a hate crime.
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Book him on making graffiti
and criminal mischief
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and anything else
you can think of.
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- Happily.
- And start digging
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into Ackerman's personal
and professional life,
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and see if anything else
was going on
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that might have
made somebody want to kill him.
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Jacob and I left
our newspaper jobs
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five years ago
to start Endnote.
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Purer journalism
without the profiteering.
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Lofty mission.
Tough business model, though.
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Our business is doing well.
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We're in the process
of selling a majority stake
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to an investment firm
in Sweden.
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And things between you
and Ackerman were good?
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Yeah. Yeah, of course.
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I just--I just still haven't
processed that he's gone.
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You know, we read
some of the text messages
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you sent to Ackerman last week.
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You know, what did you
call him, a selfish prick?
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And an arrogant boomer.
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And we know
that Ackerman wanted
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to pull the plug on the deal,
and that made you furious.
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So I shot off a bunch
of angry text messages.
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We needed that deal.
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So why did Ackerman
try to tank it?
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Because he's a purist.
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When Jacob heard
that the buyer wanted
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to skew our coverage
to the far left,
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reposition us as the
liberal "Fox News," he balked.
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But the good news for you is,
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now that Ackerman
is out of the picture,
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you're free to do whatever
you want with the company.
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I didn't kill Jacob.
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Just the same, where
were you yesterday morning?
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At home with my family.
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It was my son's birthday.
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All right.
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Can you think of anyone else
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that might have a problem
with Ackerman?
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Any confrontations?
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Any threats
that you know about?
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He has been a little
distracted the past few weeks.
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'Cause of all the hate
he's getting online?
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Because he was spending a lot
of time with a younger woman.
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Jacob and I
were close for years.
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He was the first person to
hire me right out of college.
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He was my mentor.
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I understand you were
spending a lot of time
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with him lately.
- Yeah.
252
00:12:51,205 --> 00:12:53,816
We were working together
on an article.
253
00:12:53,816 --> 00:12:56,297
So your relationship
was strictly professional?
254
00:12:56,297 --> 00:12:57,951
Yes, absolutely.
255
00:12:57,951 --> 00:12:59,996
What were you two working on?
256
00:12:59,996 --> 00:13:02,694
- Something really big.
- Big how?
257
00:13:02,694 --> 00:13:04,609
A few months ago,
six people died
258
00:13:04,609 --> 00:13:06,829
in a fire
in the Myers-Hamilton House.
259
00:13:06,829 --> 00:13:08,962
It's a public housing project.
- I remember that.
260
00:13:08,962 --> 00:13:12,226
The fire doors didn't deploy
like they should have, right?
261
00:13:12,226 --> 00:13:14,054
And the official story
262
00:13:14,054 --> 00:13:15,882
is that the fire doors
didn't activate
263
00:13:15,882 --> 00:13:17,709
because
of a mechanical malfunction.
264
00:13:17,709 --> 00:13:19,233
But the unofficial story?
265
00:13:21,626 --> 00:13:23,280
Apparently, Ackerman uncovered
266
00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,630
that the fire doors
at the housing project
267
00:13:25,630 --> 00:13:26,806
were supposed to be serviced
268
00:13:26,806 --> 00:13:28,590
two months
before the fire broke out,
269
00:13:28,590 --> 00:13:30,070
but that didn't happen
270
00:13:30,070 --> 00:13:32,550
because the contractor
the city paid to do the work,
271
00:13:32,550 --> 00:13:35,510
a company called SiteShield,
doesn't actually exist.
272
00:13:35,510 --> 00:13:37,164
What do you mean
it doesn't exist?
273
00:13:37,164 --> 00:13:38,600
Phony address.
274
00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,211
The phone number listed
is to a florist in Queens.
275
00:13:41,211 --> 00:13:43,605
$5 million was paid out
of a city budget
276
00:13:43,605 --> 00:13:45,085
to a shell corporation.
277
00:13:45,085 --> 00:13:48,610
Meaning someone's
embezzling millions of dollars.
278
00:13:48,610 --> 00:13:50,960
And as a result,
six people burn alive?
279
00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,876
Yeah.
280
00:13:53,876 --> 00:13:57,097
What if Ackerman
was getting close
281
00:13:57,097 --> 00:13:59,795
to figuring out
who was behind the embezzling?
282
00:13:59,795 --> 00:14:00,927
Hell of a motive.
283
00:14:00,927 --> 00:14:02,798
And this reporter,
284
00:14:02,798 --> 00:14:04,800
McAllister,
she know who's involved?
285
00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,324
She said that Ackerman
traced the money trail
286
00:14:07,324 --> 00:14:10,414
back
to Patricia Simonian's office,
287
00:14:10,414 --> 00:14:13,417
but she has no proof that
she was personally involved.
288
00:14:13,417 --> 00:14:16,420
Patricia Simonian?
As in the deputy mayor?
289
00:14:16,420 --> 00:14:19,989
Yeah, she hands out
the city contracts.
290
00:14:22,426 --> 00:14:24,298
Just got off the phone
with Simonian's assistant.
291
00:14:24,298 --> 00:14:27,257
She hasn't been able
to reach her since Saturday--
292
00:14:27,257 --> 00:14:30,391
the day
before Ackerman was murdered.
293
00:14:30,391 --> 00:14:31,566
All right, guys.
294
00:14:31,566 --> 00:14:33,046
You got to find her.
295
00:14:37,702 --> 00:14:39,748
NYPD!
296
00:14:41,837 --> 00:14:43,839
NYPD!
297
00:14:47,321 --> 00:14:49,018
NYPD!
298
00:14:52,282 --> 00:14:54,023
Police!
299
00:14:56,373 --> 00:14:57,809
Frank.
300
00:14:57,809 --> 00:15:01,074
Yeah.
301
00:15:12,694 --> 00:15:14,783
Neighbors don't report seeing
or hearing anything unusual
302
00:15:14,783 --> 00:15:16,219
the past few days.
303
00:15:16,219 --> 00:15:17,655
Didn't see anyone coming
or going from the apartment.
304
00:15:17,655 --> 00:15:19,048
Well, I did see a camera
in the lobby.
305
00:15:19,048 --> 00:15:20,354
Check
with the building manager.
306
00:15:20,354 --> 00:15:21,964
Have him pull footage
from the last four days.
307
00:15:21,964 --> 00:15:24,097
Thanks.
308
00:15:24,097 --> 00:15:26,055
No sign of a break-in.
309
00:15:26,055 --> 00:15:29,015
So there's a chance
she knew her killer.
310
00:15:29,015 --> 00:15:30,973
What you got?
- Cause of death
311
00:15:30,973 --> 00:15:32,627
appears
to be blunt force trauma.
312
00:15:32,627 --> 00:15:34,977
Something heavy.
Multiple blows to the head.
313
00:15:34,977 --> 00:15:36,631
Obviously,
she's been dead a while,
314
00:15:36,631 --> 00:15:38,502
but any estimate
on exactly how long?
315
00:15:38,502 --> 00:15:40,069
It's been a couple days.
316
00:15:40,069 --> 00:15:42,158
I mean, based on the signs
of putrefaction I'm seeing,
317
00:15:42,158 --> 00:15:45,727
I'd say sometime late Saturday
night or early Sunday morning.
318
00:15:45,727 --> 00:15:47,685
That was
before Ackerman was killed.
319
00:15:47,685 --> 00:15:49,252
Are you confirming
that she was killed
320
00:15:49,252 --> 00:15:51,211
sometime
before 6:00 a.m. Sunday?
321
00:15:51,211 --> 00:15:52,995
She's definitely been here
longer than that.
322
00:15:52,995 --> 00:15:55,650
Well, that rules her out
as Ackerman's killer.
323
00:15:55,650 --> 00:15:57,478
These two murders
have to be connected.
324
00:15:57,478 --> 00:16:01,134
So Ackerman's investigating
the embezzlement of city funds,
325
00:16:01,134 --> 00:16:04,311
and he suspects the
deputy mayor of being involved.
326
00:16:04,311 --> 00:16:07,662
And then, somehow they both
end up murdered hours apart.
327
00:16:07,662 --> 00:16:10,317
Odds of this
being a coincidence?
328
00:16:10,317 --> 00:16:12,623
Zero.
329
00:16:12,623 --> 00:16:15,104
This is video
from Simonian's lobby
330
00:16:15,104 --> 00:16:17,411
at 11:07 p.m.,
Saturday night.
331
00:16:17,411 --> 00:16:18,716
Oh, she let him in.
332
00:16:18,716 --> 00:16:20,588
Look at their body language.
She knows him.
333
00:16:20,588 --> 00:16:23,765
Look at that jacket,
height, build.
334
00:16:23,765 --> 00:16:25,636
The guy matches the description
335
00:16:25,636 --> 00:16:27,899
of the suspect
from the Ackerman crime scene.
336
00:16:27,899 --> 00:16:31,555
Half an hour later,
the same person leaves alone.
337
00:16:31,555 --> 00:16:34,558
And look,
he's clearly holding something.
338
00:16:34,558 --> 00:16:36,604
Likely the murder weapon.
339
00:16:36,604 --> 00:16:40,129
OK, so this confirms
340
00:16:40,129 --> 00:16:43,045
we're looking for one killer
for both homicides.
341
00:16:43,045 --> 00:16:47,006
And the question is, who's got
motive to murder both victims?
342
00:16:47,006 --> 00:16:50,357
Ackerman
was investigating SiteShield.
343
00:16:50,357 --> 00:16:53,360
And Simonian is the one who
approved the city-wide contract
344
00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,101
for SiteShield.
345
00:16:55,101 --> 00:16:58,582
Julia McAllister was working
on the article with Ackerman.
346
00:16:58,582 --> 00:17:00,845
If the killer knows that...
347
00:17:00,845 --> 00:17:04,153
OK, let's get her
into protective custody ASAP.
348
00:17:11,421 --> 00:17:15,556
We'll have an officer posted
outside the door at all times
349
00:17:15,556 --> 00:17:18,689
and two officers
in a patrol car outside.
350
00:17:18,689 --> 00:17:20,256
How long
do I have to stay here?
351
00:17:20,256 --> 00:17:21,910
Until we find out
who's responsible
352
00:17:21,910 --> 00:17:23,868
for the embezzlement.
353
00:17:23,868 --> 00:17:25,696
Whoever it is,
they're murdering
354
00:17:25,696 --> 00:17:28,221
anyone they think
is connected to you,
355
00:17:28,221 --> 00:17:29,961
which puts you in danger.
356
00:17:30,962 --> 00:17:32,486
I need to check on someone.
357
00:17:32,486 --> 00:17:34,227
Who might that be?
358
00:17:34,227 --> 00:17:36,229
When Jacob figured out
that the deputy mayor
359
00:17:36,229 --> 00:17:38,274
might somehow be involved
with SiteShield,
360
00:17:38,274 --> 00:17:40,189
I gave him the contact info
361
00:17:40,189 --> 00:17:42,409
of someone I thought
might have some information,
362
00:17:42,409 --> 00:17:44,237
someone who had
come through for me before.
363
00:17:44,237 --> 00:17:46,761
And why didn't you tell us
this yesterday when we spoke?
364
00:17:46,761 --> 00:17:48,371
I was protecting my source.
365
00:17:48,371 --> 00:17:51,679
And I wasn't even sure if
Jacob had connected with them.
366
00:17:51,679 --> 00:17:53,942
- If you tell us who they are--
- No.
367
00:17:53,942 --> 00:17:57,772
They are an anonymous source.
That's the whole point.
368
00:17:57,772 --> 00:18:01,863
Please,
just let me make a call,
369
00:18:01,863 --> 00:18:04,866
and I'll find out
who was behind SiteShield.
370
00:18:11,438 --> 00:18:14,005
So that's our embezzler.
371
00:18:25,582 --> 00:18:26,627
Looks like
he's heading north.
372
00:18:26,627 --> 00:18:28,150
The 278 onramp's up ahead.
373
00:18:28,150 --> 00:18:30,109
He could be
making a run for it.
374
00:18:41,076 --> 00:18:43,209
That looked like
a rolling stop to me.
375
00:19:12,673 --> 00:19:13,848
License and registration, please.
376
00:19:13,848 --> 00:19:15,197
What did I do?
377
00:19:15,197 --> 00:19:17,417
You rolled
through that stop sign, sir.
378
00:19:17,417 --> 00:19:18,853
License and registration.
379
00:19:18,853 --> 00:19:21,334
- What are you--
- Please. Now.
380
00:19:21,334 --> 00:19:24,859
That's quite a shiner
you got there, uh, Mr. Costa.
381
00:19:24,859 --> 00:19:27,688
How'd you get that?
- Excuse me?
382
00:19:27,688 --> 00:19:29,080
Simple enough question.
383
00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,213
What the hell's going on here?
384
00:19:31,213 --> 00:19:34,216
- Step out of the vehicle.
- What?
385
00:19:35,957 --> 00:19:38,829
Step out
of the vehicle now, sir.
386
00:19:42,746 --> 00:19:44,270
Hands on the roof.
387
00:19:50,450 --> 00:19:53,366
I have no idea
what you're talking about.
388
00:19:53,366 --> 00:19:54,758
Don't lie to us, David.
389
00:19:54,758 --> 00:19:57,979
We know
you embezzled city money
390
00:19:57,979 --> 00:20:00,895
and that you got into an
argument with Patricia Simonian
391
00:20:00,895 --> 00:20:02,070
two days
before she was murdered.
392
00:20:02,070 --> 00:20:03,332
And unfortunately for you,
393
00:20:03,332 --> 00:20:05,552
a third party
overheard that conversation.
394
00:20:05,552 --> 00:20:08,729
We know that you're
the one behind SiteShield,
395
00:20:08,729 --> 00:20:10,252
and that makes you responsible
396
00:20:10,252 --> 00:20:11,819
for the six people
who died in that fire.
397
00:20:11,819 --> 00:20:14,474
I've never even
heard of that company.
398
00:20:14,474 --> 00:20:16,389
Jacob Ackerman contacted
399
00:20:16,389 --> 00:20:18,739
the deputy mayor
Saturday afternoon.
400
00:20:18,739 --> 00:20:20,262
And she got spooked
401
00:20:20,262 --> 00:20:22,090
that a reporter
was poking around, didn't she?
402
00:20:22,090 --> 00:20:24,092
And you realized
that she was a liability.
403
00:20:24,092 --> 00:20:25,833
So you went over
to her place that night,
404
00:20:25,833 --> 00:20:27,574
and you killed her.
405
00:20:27,574 --> 00:20:29,402
And then you went to
Ackerman's to finish the job.
406
00:20:29,402 --> 00:20:31,230
But he put up a fight,
didn't he?
407
00:20:32,405 --> 00:20:33,754
I'm not gonna say
another word
408
00:20:33,754 --> 00:20:35,364
until my attorney gets here.
409
00:20:37,323 --> 00:20:38,454
That's fine, Dave.
410
00:20:38,454 --> 00:20:39,847
Because you know
what that sound means?
411
00:20:39,847 --> 00:20:41,892
It's the signal
that we got our search warrant.
412
00:20:46,593 --> 00:20:49,378
Find anything?
413
00:20:49,378 --> 00:20:51,032
No green jacket.
414
00:20:54,862 --> 00:20:56,603
You got to be kidding me.
415
00:20:56,603 --> 00:20:59,127
About?
416
00:20:59,127 --> 00:21:00,433
It's right out in the open.
417
00:21:00,433 --> 00:21:02,348
No way.
418
00:21:04,393 --> 00:21:06,265
Third from the top.
419
00:21:15,709 --> 00:21:18,581
He can't be that stupid.
420
00:21:18,581 --> 00:21:20,017
Come on.
421
00:21:21,758 --> 00:21:23,020
There.
422
00:21:23,020 --> 00:21:25,022
It's faint,
but it's definitely blood.
423
00:21:27,373 --> 00:21:28,287
Wow.
424
00:21:33,248 --> 00:21:35,946
David Costa
and Deputy Mayor Simonian
425
00:21:35,946 --> 00:21:38,209
were co-conspirators
in an embezzlement scheme
426
00:21:38,209 --> 00:21:40,211
that led directly
to the deaths of six people
427
00:21:40,211 --> 00:21:42,083
in a public housing unit fire.
428
00:21:42,083 --> 00:21:44,433
And Jacob Ackerman
was working on an article
429
00:21:44,433 --> 00:21:46,087
that would have
exposed their crimes,
430
00:21:46,087 --> 00:21:49,177
so Costa killed Ackerman
and the deputy mayor
431
00:21:49,177 --> 00:21:51,397
to keep the truth
from being discovered.
432
00:21:51,397 --> 00:21:53,877
And you have evidence
to back this up?
433
00:21:53,877 --> 00:21:56,489
DNA tests confirm
that blood on the knife
434
00:21:56,489 --> 00:21:59,056
found at David Costa's home
belongs to Ackerman.
435
00:21:59,056 --> 00:22:01,537
And while they didn't
find a jacket or hat
436
00:22:01,537 --> 00:22:04,061
that matches the description
of our witness,
437
00:22:04,061 --> 00:22:06,673
they did find this
on Costa's social media.
438
00:22:06,673 --> 00:22:09,545
It's the same jacket
from the surveillance footage.
439
00:22:09,545 --> 00:22:11,330
You can prove motive, means,
440
00:22:11,330 --> 00:22:12,809
and you've got him
in possession
441
00:22:12,809 --> 00:22:14,463
of the murder weapon.
What's the problem?
442
00:22:14,463 --> 00:22:16,813
Well, our evidence
in the Ackerman case is strong.
443
00:22:16,813 --> 00:22:19,250
but we don't have much,
if anything,
444
00:22:19,250 --> 00:22:21,078
tying him to Simonian's murder.
445
00:22:21,078 --> 00:22:23,472
Then separate the cases.
446
00:22:23,472 --> 00:22:26,257
Hold off on Simonian's
until you have more evidence.
447
00:22:26,257 --> 00:22:29,522
And in the meantime, move
for trial on the Ackerman case.
448
00:22:29,522 --> 00:22:32,351
Costa's attorney
just filed a motion.
449
00:22:33,569 --> 00:22:36,224
They want to suppress
the murder weapon.
450
00:22:38,748 --> 00:22:41,403
It's our contention that
the search warrant in this case
451
00:22:41,403 --> 00:22:43,362
was defective.
452
00:22:43,362 --> 00:22:45,102
Mr. Price,
what was the basis
453
00:22:45,102 --> 00:22:46,974
for probable cause
in your affidavit?
454
00:22:46,974 --> 00:22:48,541
The defendant
has a clear motive,
455
00:22:48,541 --> 00:22:51,761
and detectives observed
cuts and bruises on his face
456
00:22:51,761 --> 00:22:53,502
during a routine traffic stop.
457
00:22:53,502 --> 00:22:56,287
Ah, yes, two seasoned
homicide detectives
458
00:22:56,287 --> 00:22:59,116
suddenly morph
into traffic cops.
459
00:22:59,116 --> 00:23:00,988
They pulled him over
for a rolling stop.
460
00:23:00,988 --> 00:23:02,685
This is laughable.
461
00:23:02,685 --> 00:23:05,340
The police circumvented my
client's constitutional rights
462
00:23:05,340 --> 00:23:08,082
with a trumped-up,
unverifiable,
463
00:23:08,082 --> 00:23:09,779
alleged traffic violation.
464
00:23:09,779 --> 00:23:11,128
They were
within their rights.
465
00:23:11,128 --> 00:23:13,000
No, they exploited
a technicality
466
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,524
and violated
the spirit of the law.
467
00:23:15,524 --> 00:23:18,484
I tend to agree.
It's an overreach.
468
00:23:20,181 --> 00:23:21,835
And since the stop
is where they noticed
469
00:23:21,835 --> 00:23:25,186
the cuts and bruises which in
turn led to the search warrant,
470
00:23:25,186 --> 00:23:27,928
the knife is fruit
of the poisonous tree.
471
00:23:27,928 --> 00:23:30,539
Defense's motion to suppress
is granted.
472
00:23:34,195 --> 00:23:35,631
You been able
to find anything
473
00:23:35,631 --> 00:23:37,894
in Costa's personal finances
that ties him
474
00:23:37,894 --> 00:23:39,548
to the embezzlement?
- Negative.
475
00:23:39,548 --> 00:23:41,855
And I've requested information
on SiteShield's account,
476
00:23:41,855 --> 00:23:45,511
but the bank in Panama where
the company receives the funds
477
00:23:45,511 --> 00:23:48,339
is citing
the privacy of their clients.
478
00:23:48,339 --> 00:23:51,212
And we have no jurisdiction
to challenge it.
479
00:23:51,212 --> 00:23:53,867
Which is why Costa was
funneling the embezzled funds
480
00:23:53,867 --> 00:23:55,390
through them
in the first place.
481
00:23:57,131 --> 00:24:00,134
You lost the murder weapon.
482
00:24:00,134 --> 00:24:02,353
This was supposed to be
the case you could win.
483
00:24:02,353 --> 00:24:03,616
I still can.
484
00:24:03,616 --> 00:24:05,226
Ackerman was on the verge
485
00:24:05,226 --> 00:24:07,576
of exposing
SiteShield's responsibility
486
00:24:07,576 --> 00:24:09,926
for the six deaths
in the Myers-Hamilton fire.
487
00:24:09,926 --> 00:24:12,102
And as the person
behind the shell company,
488
00:24:12,102 --> 00:24:13,843
David Costa
had the most to lose.
489
00:24:13,843 --> 00:24:15,497
Without documentation
490
00:24:15,497 --> 00:24:17,934
tying Costa
to the shell corporation,
491
00:24:17,934 --> 00:24:19,632
you can't even prove
he was involved
492
00:24:19,632 --> 00:24:20,937
in the embezzlement scheme.
493
00:24:20,937 --> 00:24:23,505
I can do it
through Julia McAllister,
494
00:24:23,505 --> 00:24:25,028
Ackerman's colleague.
495
00:24:25,028 --> 00:24:26,508
She was writing the article
with Ackerman.
496
00:24:26,508 --> 00:24:29,293
She can testify to
how he came to suspect Costa.
497
00:24:29,293 --> 00:24:30,730
Good.
498
00:24:30,730 --> 00:24:33,907
But you still need to play
to the jury's emotions.
499
00:24:33,907 --> 00:24:36,387
Remind them that
the defendant has a lot more
500
00:24:36,387 --> 00:24:38,912
than just Jacob Ackerman's
blood on his hands.
501
00:24:46,702 --> 00:24:49,575
This was not an accident.
502
00:24:49,575 --> 00:24:54,536
What happened to the people
in that building was horrific--
503
00:24:54,536 --> 00:24:56,233
to be burned alive.
504
00:24:56,233 --> 00:25:00,629
And the tragedy is their deaths
could have been avoided.
505
00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:04,894
Ms. McAllister, what did
you and Jacob Ackerman discover
506
00:25:04,894 --> 00:25:07,941
in the course of your reporting
on the Myers-Hamilton fire?
507
00:25:07,941 --> 00:25:10,160
The city hired a company
called SiteShield
508
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,554
to install fire safety doors
in that building.
509
00:25:12,554 --> 00:25:14,556
Turned out
it was a shell corporation,
510
00:25:14,556 --> 00:25:17,559
and they never did the work
they were paid to do.
511
00:25:17,559 --> 00:25:20,083
- How much were they paid?
- Over $5 million.
512
00:25:20,083 --> 00:25:21,650
And were you able
to determine
513
00:25:21,650 --> 00:25:23,304
who was behind SiteShield?
514
00:25:23,304 --> 00:25:25,001
Yes, I found a source
515
00:25:25,001 --> 00:25:26,916
who had firsthand knowledge
of the situation.
516
00:25:26,916 --> 00:25:28,570
And what did the source
tell you?
517
00:25:28,570 --> 00:25:30,920
Objection.
Calls for hearsay.
518
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,487
May I be heard?
519
00:25:32,487 --> 00:25:34,445
I'll see counsel in chambers.
520
00:25:36,491 --> 00:25:38,711
Where are you going with this,
Mr. Price?
521
00:25:38,711 --> 00:25:41,235
The witness will testify
that she has a source
522
00:25:41,235 --> 00:25:43,280
who told her that
they overheard a conversation--
523
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,282
- This is hearsay.
- Hold on.
524
00:25:45,282 --> 00:25:46,588
What is
the proffered testimony?
525
00:25:46,588 --> 00:25:48,590
The witness' source
overheard a conversation
526
00:25:48,590 --> 00:25:51,593
between the defendant and
Deputy Mayor Patricia Simonian.
527
00:25:51,593 --> 00:25:54,074
The defendant admitted
that he was behind SiteShield
528
00:25:54,074 --> 00:25:55,466
and that he was aware
529
00:25:55,466 --> 00:25:57,294
that Jacob Ackerman
was about to expose him.
530
00:25:57,294 --> 00:25:58,992
I agree with Mr. Hollins.
531
00:25:58,992 --> 00:26:01,298
It's an admission of guilt
532
00:26:01,298 --> 00:26:02,430
by the defendant...
- Actually, Your Honor...
533
00:26:02,430 --> 00:26:03,474
And therefore,
an exception to the--
534
00:26:03,474 --> 00:26:05,302
- This is double hearsay.
- Double?
535
00:26:05,302 --> 00:26:06,826
McAllister isn't even the one
536
00:26:06,826 --> 00:26:09,219
who claims to have overheard
this so-called confession.
537
00:26:09,219 --> 00:26:11,787
We have no proof
this source even exists.
538
00:26:11,787 --> 00:26:14,311
Can you verify
who Ms. McAllister's source is?
539
00:26:14,311 --> 00:26:16,618
Unfortunately,
no, Your Honor.
540
00:26:16,618 --> 00:26:19,186
The source only agreed
to speak with Ms. McAllister
541
00:26:19,186 --> 00:26:20,535
under the promise of anonymity,
542
00:26:20,535 --> 00:26:22,972
and she's exercising
her First Amendment right
543
00:26:22,972 --> 00:26:25,540
to protect their identity.
544
00:26:25,540 --> 00:26:27,455
I understand
that puts you in a bind,
545
00:26:27,455 --> 00:26:30,545
but I need confirmation
this person is real.
546
00:26:30,545 --> 00:26:33,592
Without that, I can't allow
Ms. McAllister's testimony.
547
00:26:42,688 --> 00:26:44,646
I need the name
of your source.
548
00:26:44,646 --> 00:26:47,736
I will do everything I can
to limit their exposure.
549
00:26:47,736 --> 00:26:49,999
And we can request
a closed-door hearing.
550
00:26:49,999 --> 00:26:52,393
I can't.
I'm sorry.
551
00:26:54,221 --> 00:26:56,832
Ackerman was your friend, right?
552
00:26:56,832 --> 00:26:59,269
Your mentor.
553
00:26:59,269 --> 00:27:01,489
And you're OK
letting his killer walk free?
554
00:27:01,489 --> 00:27:05,101
No, I'm not OK with that.
555
00:27:05,101 --> 00:27:06,929
Not even close.
556
00:27:06,929 --> 00:27:09,018
But I can't reveal my source.
557
00:27:09,018 --> 00:27:12,326
I-I just can't.
558
00:27:13,544 --> 00:27:16,025
Jacob would understand too.
559
00:27:16,025 --> 00:27:20,639
He's the one who taught me
the importance of integrity.
560
00:27:20,639 --> 00:27:23,903
You live and die
as a journalist
561
00:27:23,903 --> 00:27:25,774
based on your word.
562
00:27:27,602 --> 00:27:29,691
I'm sorry.
563
00:27:29,691 --> 00:27:32,128
I can't help you.
564
00:27:40,702 --> 00:27:42,791
Can you describe
the person you saw
565
00:27:42,791 --> 00:27:44,706
running away
from Jacob Ackerman's home
566
00:27:44,706 --> 00:27:46,665
on the morning
of January 8th?
567
00:27:46,665 --> 00:27:49,711
He was wearing
this big, green puffy jacket.
568
00:27:49,711 --> 00:27:52,105
Was there anything unique
about the jacket?
569
00:27:52,105 --> 00:27:55,804
It had a bright, fluorescent
orange liner and hood.
570
00:27:55,804 --> 00:28:01,636
Mr. Fulcher, this is
a picture of David Costa
571
00:28:01,636 --> 00:28:03,072
taken a week before the murder.
572
00:28:03,072 --> 00:28:04,987
Is the jacket
he's wearing in this photo
573
00:28:04,987 --> 00:28:06,728
the same
as the one you're describing?
574
00:28:06,728 --> 00:28:09,513
Yes, that's it.
No question.
575
00:28:11,385 --> 00:28:12,691
Thank you.
Nothing further.
576
00:28:15,432 --> 00:28:19,088
Mr. Fulcher,
by your own admission,
577
00:28:19,088 --> 00:28:22,135
you never saw
this person's face, correct?
578
00:28:22,135 --> 00:28:23,702
Yes, that is correct.
579
00:28:23,702 --> 00:28:25,399
In fact,
you told police
580
00:28:25,399 --> 00:28:28,489
that you couldn't even tell
if the person that you saw
581
00:28:28,489 --> 00:28:30,012
was a man or a woman.
582
00:28:30,012 --> 00:28:32,101
That's true.
583
00:28:32,101 --> 00:28:37,411
So what you saw was
a person in a ski jacket
584
00:28:37,411 --> 00:28:39,108
running down the street.
585
00:28:39,108 --> 00:28:42,633
He or she was running out of
Jacob's home wearing that coat.
586
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:49,510
But what you can't say
beyond a reasonable doubt
587
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:52,556
is that my client...
588
00:28:54,428 --> 00:28:56,735
Had anything to do
with this murder.
589
00:28:58,737 --> 00:29:02,088
No, I guess not.
590
00:29:02,088 --> 00:29:03,916
No further questions.
591
00:29:07,833 --> 00:29:11,488
The prosecution is making
a lot of noise about a jacket.
592
00:29:11,488 --> 00:29:14,535
Do you, in fact,
own a green and orange parka?
593
00:29:14,535 --> 00:29:17,233
I did, but I donated it
to the Goodwill
594
00:29:17,233 --> 00:29:19,409
a week before the murder.
595
00:29:19,409 --> 00:29:23,631
Your Honor, I'd like to offer
a receipt of this donation
596
00:29:23,631 --> 00:29:26,939
and ask
that it be marked exhibit 12.
597
00:29:29,942 --> 00:29:33,206
So you're not the person
Stephen Fulcher saw
598
00:29:33,206 --> 00:29:35,948
fleeing the scene
of Jacob Ackerman's murder?
599
00:29:35,948 --> 00:29:37,863
Absolutely not.
I'd never even heard
600
00:29:37,863 --> 00:29:41,344
of Jacob Ackerman
before I was arrested.
601
00:29:41,344 --> 00:29:42,519
Thank you.
602
00:29:46,523 --> 00:29:48,917
Your cell phone location data
puts you
603
00:29:48,917 --> 00:29:52,268
within a 12-block radius
of Jacob Ackerman's brownstone
604
00:29:52,268 --> 00:29:53,617
on the morning of the murder.
605
00:29:53,617 --> 00:29:55,968
How do you explain that?
- I went out for a run.
606
00:29:57,534 --> 00:29:59,493
You live in Queens.
607
00:29:59,493 --> 00:30:01,756
Jacob Ackerman lived
in the West Village.
608
00:30:01,756 --> 00:30:04,803
Well, I like to explore
different parts of the city.
609
00:30:07,370 --> 00:30:09,808
You familiar with a company
called SiteShield?
610
00:30:09,808 --> 00:30:12,375
Your Honor, we're venturing
into dangerous waters.
611
00:30:12,375 --> 00:30:14,769
Anything else, Mr. Price?
612
00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:27,738
The idea
that anyone would travel
613
00:30:27,738 --> 00:30:30,176
over a body of water
and across two boroughs
614
00:30:30,176 --> 00:30:32,308
to jog at 6:00 a.m.
on a Sunday morning,
615
00:30:32,308 --> 00:30:33,483
it's ludicrous.
616
00:30:33,483 --> 00:30:35,659
But I saw the jurors' faces.
617
00:30:35,659 --> 00:30:36,791
They were entertaining it.
618
00:30:36,791 --> 00:30:38,706
No one likes the idea
619
00:30:38,706 --> 00:30:41,404
of condemning a man
to life in prison.
620
00:30:41,404 --> 00:30:42,971
Credible or not,
621
00:30:42,971 --> 00:30:46,235
reason to doubt
gives them reason to acquit.
622
00:30:46,235 --> 00:30:48,150
I don't see
how we come back from this.
623
00:30:48,150 --> 00:30:50,370
Then maybe it's time
to reach out,
624
00:30:50,370 --> 00:30:52,894
discuss a plea.
- Maybe not.
625
00:30:52,894 --> 00:30:54,853
I just got a call
from an attorney
626
00:30:54,853 --> 00:30:56,332
representing Lucas Hobbs.
627
00:30:56,332 --> 00:30:57,899
The neo-Nazi?
628
00:30:57,899 --> 00:31:00,684
The guy who spraypainted
Ackerman's brownstone
629
00:31:00,684 --> 00:31:02,382
the morning of the murder.
630
00:31:02,382 --> 00:31:04,775
What did his lawyer want?
631
00:31:09,737 --> 00:31:12,087
I was watching the news,
632
00:31:12,087 --> 00:31:14,785
and they did a story
on your trial.
633
00:31:14,785 --> 00:31:17,527
I recognize that guy
you're prosecuting.
634
00:31:17,527 --> 00:31:19,225
You know David Costa?
635
00:31:19,225 --> 00:31:23,142
I saw him
the morning of the murder.
636
00:31:23,142 --> 00:31:25,405
Where exactly did this happen?
637
00:31:25,405 --> 00:31:28,974
On Ackerman's block,
just a few houses down.
638
00:31:28,974 --> 00:31:31,193
After I tagged his house,
I was headed back
639
00:31:31,193 --> 00:31:33,848
to the subway to go home,
and he bumped into me.
640
00:31:33,848 --> 00:31:36,329
So I shoved him, told him
to watch where he was going.
641
00:31:36,329 --> 00:31:38,679
Mm, and you remember
what he looks like,
642
00:31:38,679 --> 00:31:41,160
even though it was months ago?
643
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,553
Yeah,
I'm not gonna forget his face.
644
00:31:43,553 --> 00:31:45,686
He pulled a knife on me.
645
00:31:45,686 --> 00:31:47,688
He said that if I knew
what was good for me,
646
00:31:47,688 --> 00:31:49,995
I'd watch where I was going.
647
00:31:49,995 --> 00:31:51,910
What did this knife
look like?
648
00:31:51,910 --> 00:31:54,434
Blade was about yay big.
649
00:31:54,434 --> 00:31:55,914
The handle was kind of gold.
650
00:31:55,914 --> 00:31:58,090
Had, like,
pearl and stuff all in it.
651
00:32:02,311 --> 00:32:03,922
You notice anything else
about the blade?
652
00:32:03,922 --> 00:32:06,968
Um, did it have
a straight edge?
653
00:32:06,968 --> 00:32:09,971
No, it was serrated.
654
00:32:12,104 --> 00:32:13,757
Why didn't you mention this
to police
655
00:32:13,757 --> 00:32:14,758
when they questioned you?
656
00:32:14,758 --> 00:32:17,196
Because I'm not a snitch.
657
00:32:18,501 --> 00:32:21,330
Not for free, anyway.
658
00:32:21,330 --> 00:32:23,985
My client
is currently being held
659
00:32:23,985 --> 00:32:25,421
on an aggravated assault charge.
660
00:32:25,421 --> 00:32:26,770
We heard.
661
00:32:26,770 --> 00:32:29,295
Attacked a Jewish woman
in broad daylight,
662
00:32:29,295 --> 00:32:30,513
completely unprovoked.
663
00:32:30,513 --> 00:32:32,428
Mr. Hobbs
maintains his innocence.
664
00:32:32,428 --> 00:32:35,170
And he would be happy
to help in your case
665
00:32:35,170 --> 00:32:37,216
in exchange
for your help with his.
666
00:32:44,353 --> 00:32:46,225
What did you have in mind?
667
00:32:46,225 --> 00:32:48,009
A dismissal.
668
00:32:49,315 --> 00:32:51,534
He put a young woman
in the hospital,
669
00:32:51,534 --> 00:32:52,883
and you want a free pass?
670
00:32:52,883 --> 00:32:56,975
That, or I don't testify.
671
00:33:04,765 --> 00:33:07,594
Are you certain Lucas Hobbs
is even telling the truth?
672
00:33:07,594 --> 00:33:10,684
Did he really see the defendant
at the murder scene?
673
00:33:10,684 --> 00:33:12,816
His description
of the knife was spot-on.
674
00:33:12,816 --> 00:33:14,644
And those details
were never made public,
675
00:33:14,644 --> 00:33:16,429
so either he is omniscient
676
00:33:16,429 --> 00:33:20,259
or he saw Costa
holding the knife
677
00:33:20,259 --> 00:33:21,651
a block from the murder scene.
678
00:33:21,651 --> 00:33:24,219
But, Jack, look at this.
679
00:33:26,047 --> 00:33:30,138
Hobbs brutally assaulted
a 19-year-old Jewish woman
680
00:33:30,138 --> 00:33:32,880
when he overheard her
speaking Hebrew with a friend,
681
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,578
and he wants
all charges dropped
682
00:33:35,578 --> 00:33:37,537
in exchange for his testimony.
683
00:33:39,191 --> 00:33:41,367
We're talking about
a murder case here, Nolan.
684
00:33:41,367 --> 00:33:42,542
Yeah, I understand that.
685
00:33:42,542 --> 00:33:43,847
I was prepared to offer him
686
00:33:43,847 --> 00:33:45,980
more leniency than he deserves.
687
00:33:45,980 --> 00:33:48,765
But what he did,
688
00:33:48,765 --> 00:33:50,941
he shouldn't be allowed
to walk away scot-free.
689
00:33:50,941 --> 00:33:54,249
This isn't about what
he deserves or doesn't deserve.
690
00:33:54,249 --> 00:33:57,383
It's about getting justice
for Jacob Ackerman.
691
00:33:57,383 --> 00:33:58,862
At what expense?
692
00:33:58,862 --> 00:34:01,909
Sarah Khahiri,
the young woman Hobbs attacked,
693
00:34:01,909 --> 00:34:05,347
has a fractured spine from
when he stomped on her back.
694
00:34:05,347 --> 00:34:08,698
She needs surgery
to have her jaw reconstructed.
695
00:34:08,698 --> 00:34:10,700
What happened
to her is horrific.
696
00:34:10,700 --> 00:34:13,790
But she's still alive.
697
00:34:13,790 --> 00:34:16,576
Mr. Ackerman is not.
698
00:34:20,449 --> 00:34:22,277
I'm just not comfortable
699
00:34:22,277 --> 00:34:25,019
giving a neo-Nazi
a get-out-of-jail-free card.
700
00:34:25,019 --> 00:34:26,020
I'm not.
701
00:34:27,978 --> 00:34:30,938
Especially with all
the recent anti-Semitic attacks
702
00:34:30,938 --> 00:34:32,853
and the hate out there,
703
00:34:32,853 --> 00:34:35,116
there's a bigger picture
to take into account here.
704
00:34:35,116 --> 00:34:39,686
I have no more tolerance
for hate crimes than you do,
705
00:34:39,686 --> 00:34:44,212
and I'm all
for adhering to principles,
706
00:34:44,212 --> 00:34:47,998
but not to the exclusion
of trying to win a murder case.
707
00:34:47,998 --> 00:34:52,525
So you're demanding
that I put this racist, Hobbs,
708
00:34:52,525 --> 00:34:53,613
on the stand?
709
00:34:53,613 --> 00:34:55,963
Can you win without him?
710
00:34:58,661 --> 00:35:02,491
I don't know,
but I'm not sure
711
00:35:02,491 --> 00:35:05,755
if it's worth winning
like this.
712
00:35:05,755 --> 00:35:09,150
Tell that
to Jacob Ackerman's son
713
00:35:09,150 --> 00:35:14,112
and the families of the six
people who died in that fire.
714
00:35:16,462 --> 00:35:19,160
Maybe I'm just old-fashioned,
715
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,555
but if the cost
of convicting someone
716
00:35:22,555 --> 00:35:27,560
responsible for eight deaths,
including three children,
717
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:32,782
is cutting a sweetheart deal
with a white supremacist,
718
00:35:32,782 --> 00:35:36,612
I'd take that deal
all day long.
719
00:35:36,612 --> 00:35:40,138
But this is your case.
720
00:35:40,138 --> 00:35:43,010
You're the one who needs
to live with your choices,
721
00:35:43,010 --> 00:35:44,968
not me.
722
00:35:54,326 --> 00:35:58,721
And how can you be certain,
Mr. Hobbs,
723
00:35:58,721 --> 00:36:00,767
that the man
who pulled a knife on you
724
00:36:00,767 --> 00:36:02,986
right outside
of Jacob Ackerman's brownstone
725
00:36:02,986 --> 00:36:06,903
that morning
was the defendant?
726
00:36:06,903 --> 00:36:08,949
I got a really good look
at him.
727
00:36:08,949 --> 00:36:10,211
He got right up in my face.
728
00:36:10,211 --> 00:36:12,213
He was all amped up.
729
00:36:12,213 --> 00:36:16,261
I could see it in his eyes that
he didn't just have a knife,
730
00:36:16,261 --> 00:36:18,350
he was willing to use it.
731
00:36:21,048 --> 00:36:23,224
Nothing further
for this witness.
732
00:36:25,444 --> 00:36:29,143
Mr. Hobbs, you were initially
questioned by detectives
733
00:36:29,143 --> 00:36:32,494
as a suspect in the murder
of Jacob Ackerman,
734
00:36:32,494 --> 00:36:33,669
is that not correct?
735
00:36:33,669 --> 00:36:37,107
Yeah, but I didn't do it.
736
00:36:37,107 --> 00:36:39,197
But you didn't mention
anything to them
737
00:36:39,197 --> 00:36:41,199
about seeing someone
with a knife that morning,
738
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:43,070
did you?
739
00:36:43,070 --> 00:36:44,376
No.
740
00:36:44,376 --> 00:36:48,031
So you knew
Ackerman got stabbed,
741
00:36:48,031 --> 00:36:51,252
and you now are claiming
that you saw someone
742
00:36:51,252 --> 00:36:54,124
brandishing a knife
outside his home,
743
00:36:54,124 --> 00:36:57,040
but you didn't think
that information was pertinent?
744
00:36:58,607 --> 00:37:02,785
I don't really have the best
relationship with the police.
745
00:37:04,134 --> 00:37:07,355
Well,
that's putting it lightly.
746
00:37:07,355 --> 00:37:10,532
In fact, you were charged
747
00:37:10,532 --> 00:37:13,231
with vandalizing
Ackerman's house
748
00:37:13,231 --> 00:37:16,538
with anti-Semitic graffiti,
isn't that correct?
749
00:37:16,538 --> 00:37:17,887
Yeah.
750
00:37:17,887 --> 00:37:19,237
And you've been charged
751
00:37:19,237 --> 00:37:21,804
with several other crimes
since then, haven't you?
752
00:37:21,804 --> 00:37:24,242
Objection.
The witness is not on trial.
753
00:37:24,242 --> 00:37:26,461
- Sustained.
- We'll try another way.
754
00:37:26,461 --> 00:37:30,552
Um, Mr. Hobbs,
are you currently on trial
755
00:37:30,552 --> 00:37:34,295
for the assault
of a 19-year-old Jewish girl?
756
00:37:34,295 --> 00:37:35,775
I'm innocent.
757
00:37:35,775 --> 00:37:38,125
And is
your testimony here today
758
00:37:38,125 --> 00:37:40,083
in exchange
for the district attorney
759
00:37:40,083 --> 00:37:42,999
giving you a full dismissal
of that case?
760
00:37:42,999 --> 00:37:45,915
Yes, it is.
761
00:37:48,570 --> 00:37:51,747
I have no further questions.
762
00:37:51,747 --> 00:37:53,967
Any redirect, Mr. Price?
763
00:38:02,367 --> 00:38:07,676
Mr. Hobbs, you are a member
of the Wolves of Vanguard,
764
00:38:07,676 --> 00:38:09,330
an organization
that's associated
765
00:38:09,330 --> 00:38:11,680
with the neo-Nazi party, correct?
766
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,029
Yeah.
767
00:38:13,029 --> 00:38:18,252
So when someone kills
768
00:38:18,252 --> 00:38:21,299
a prominent Jewish figure
like Jacob Ackerman,
769
00:38:21,299 --> 00:38:24,345
if anything,
you're more likely
770
00:38:24,345 --> 00:38:29,176
to lie to protect them,
not incriminate them.
771
00:38:29,176 --> 00:38:30,612
Isn't that fair to say?
772
00:38:30,612 --> 00:38:31,874
If I'm being real with you,
773
00:38:31,874 --> 00:38:34,703
I hate that I'm testifying
against that guy.
774
00:38:34,703 --> 00:38:36,444
I got no beef with him.
775
00:38:36,444 --> 00:38:37,967
But I saw what I saw.
776
00:38:37,967 --> 00:38:40,796
He was there,
and he had a knife.
777
00:39:08,258 --> 00:39:10,348
Has the jury
reached a verdict?
778
00:39:12,872 --> 00:39:15,048
We have, Your Honor.
779
00:39:15,048 --> 00:39:18,486
On the charge of murder
in the second degree,
780
00:39:18,486 --> 00:39:21,663
we find the defendant,
David Costa...
781
00:39:21,663 --> 00:39:23,056
guilty.
782
00:39:40,856 --> 00:39:43,511
Hey.
It all worked out, huh?
783
00:39:43,511 --> 00:39:46,558
I appreciate you keeping up
your end of the bargain.
784
00:39:48,908 --> 00:39:50,910
It was a one-time deal.
785
00:39:50,910 --> 00:39:54,087
You commit any crimes
moving forward,
786
00:39:54,087 --> 00:39:56,263
I will make sure
you are prosecuted
787
00:39:56,263 --> 00:39:59,092
to the maximum extent
of the law.
788
00:40:00,833 --> 00:40:03,052
Good doing business with you.
789
00:40:11,844 --> 00:40:14,412
You made the right call.
790
00:40:17,980 --> 00:40:20,113
I'll see you tomorrow.
59467
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