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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:06,760 It's December 1926. 2 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:12,520 Agatha Christie has crashed her car, 3 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:17,680 leaving it balanced precariously over a chalk quarry. 4 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,560 Then she vanishes, 5 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:44,240 triggering the biggest manhunt yet seen in Britain. 6 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:53,480 At 36, Agatha Christie was a successful detective novelist, 7 00:00:53,480 --> 00:00:57,280 seemingly happily married, with a young daughter at home. 8 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,600 Was this crisis, or conspiracy? 9 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:06,560 Agatha's disappearance in 1926 is usually seen as this great 10 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,640 central mystery in her life. 11 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:15,040 I think it's even more interesting to see the effect it had. 12 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,960 I think that the trauma of 1926 turned 13 00:01:18,960 --> 00:01:24,280 Agatha Christie into the great woman that she became. 14 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:32,960 I've been fascinated by Agatha Christie since I was a child 15 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:36,720 and I think there's much more to this enigmatic 16 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,360 and elusive novelist than meets the eye. 17 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:44,320 She subverts what we think we want and gives us something 18 00:01:44,320 --> 00:01:46,560 so much more interesting. 19 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,720 I'm investigating the mysterious case of Agatha Christie. 20 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,520 How did this woman, who grew up a Victorian, 21 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:58,520 challenge the expectations of her age? 22 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,480 The doctor, the judge, the general... 23 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:05,400 These people, they're just not who you think they are. 24 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:10,520 Let's go! How did her own dark psychology, her anxieties 25 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,280 and experiences fuel her writing? 26 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:19,040 What made this woman the best-selling novelist in the world? 27 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:23,920 In this series, I want to uncover the true Agatha Christie. 28 00:02:23,920 --> 00:02:28,560 I want to explore how the changes of her lifetime affected 29 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,280 her writing, and I want to show you 30 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:36,560 that she was a pioneering, radical writer and woman. 31 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:48,200 OK, I think that we're nearly there. Ooh, nettles! Ouch! 32 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:49,680 Ah! 33 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:57,120 OK... It must be just here. Surely, we must be nearly there. 34 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,320 Oh, gosh! 35 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:05,120 Ooh! I'm not going to go too near the edge. 36 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,800 That is the edge of the cliff and it really is a cliff. 37 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:16,840 Very interesting. You've got to imagine fewer trees in 1926 38 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:21,680 and from the maps I've looked at and the accounts I've read, 39 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,320 I'm pretty confident that her car came off the road 40 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,840 and then it rolled down across much more open downlands... 41 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:33,520 ..landscape then, and then it got caught in bushes. 42 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,960 There's really clear descriptions of the car being caught in a bush 43 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,280 and what you don't realise till you get here is that, below, 44 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,000 would have been this perilous drop. 45 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,800 I mean, a life-ending drop, if a car had gone over there. 46 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,320 Things would only have had to have been very slightly different, 47 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,360 you know, for the bush to have given way, 48 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,960 the car would have gone over and she would have been dead. 49 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,680 But when the police found the car the next morning, 50 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:07,680 its lights still blazing, its owner had completely disappeared. 51 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,160 Could it be suicide? 52 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:15,240 Or daring hoax? Or was she the victim of foul play? 53 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,520 This is the police report for the incident. 54 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,480 "The car was found with its bonnet buried in the bushes, 55 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,440 "as if it had got out of control. 56 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,040 "In the car was found a fur coat..." 57 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,800 Now, why wasn't she wearing this, if the night was so cold? 58 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:39,320 "..a dressing case and a driving licence..." That's a good clue. 59 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,000 "..indicating that the owner was Mrs Agatha Christie." 60 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,520 A famous detective novelist vanished, 61 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:56,480 maybe even murdered, or kidnapped, and a series of tantalising clues. 62 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:00,560 There were all the ingredients of the perfect tabloid story 63 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,320 and the press went to town. 64 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,680 They found the ideal cast of characters. 65 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:11,560 An attractive woman, of course, but also Rosalind, 66 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,280 the seven-year-old daughter she left behind. 67 00:05:15,280 --> 00:05:19,720 Archie, the handsome husband who seemed to have something to hide, 68 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:25,600 and pretty young Nancy Neele, who'd turn out to be Archie's lover. 69 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:30,680 The press turned the story into a sensation. 70 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,160 Radio was in its infancy, there was no television, 71 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,760 and national newspapers were booming. 72 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,120 With a new development each day, 73 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:43,560 this thrilling story would sell more papers. 74 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,880 The Surrey Police played along. 75 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:57,320 They were convinced that Agatha would be found dead on their patch. 76 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:02,040 Special attention was paid to the nearby Silent Pool, 77 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,120 already the sight of a legendary drowning 78 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,200 and just the sort of place to find a body caught in the weeds. 79 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,680 You know, as I look through these photos from the search, 80 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:17,520 I have a sneaking suspicion that everybody was actually rather 81 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,000 enjoying themselves. 82 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,880 Look at these gentlemen, who are very performatively dragging a pond. 83 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,880 They definitely staged that for the newspaper cameras. 84 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,520 It's all quite macho. And this coach load of searchers here, 85 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,960 they're taking a break from searching and they are... 86 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,040 I think they're enjoying a packed lunch. 87 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:41,360 And these ones here were re-staging the scene of the crime. 88 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,320 It's 1920s Crimewatch. But do you know what? 89 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,440 I can't really blame the policemen 90 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,280 and all of these kind searching people. 91 00:06:49,280 --> 00:06:52,760 Under the circumstances, I can see exactly why they felt that they 92 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,200 were living inside the world of a detective story. 93 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:06,520 The police, press and public went into a detection frenzy. 94 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:11,800 There were dedicated front pages day after day. 95 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,680 Calls to action mustered thousands of volunteers. 96 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,600 Bloodhounds sniffed the countryside. 97 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,480 Aeroplanes joined the hunt. 98 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:28,160 Even Sherlock Holmes author Sir Arthur Conan Doyle got involved. 99 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:33,960 He hired a psychic to connect with Agatha via one of her gloves. 100 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:39,040 How could a woman whose face was in every newspaper simply disappear? 101 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:49,640 There were 11 days full of speculation and scandal. 102 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:54,920 Then a lead came in from somewhere totally unexpected. 103 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,240 In the elegant spa town of Harrogate, 104 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:02,280 230 miles north of where Agatha had disappeared, a woman 105 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:07,560 answering Agatha's description was spotted at the Hydropathic Hotel. 106 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,760 Two members of the hotel's dance band tipped off the police. 107 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,520 So, Archie took the train up to Harrogate to see if the woman 108 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:28,880 who'd checked in as Teresa Neele was really his missing wife. 109 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:32,760 When Archie arrived at the hotel, 110 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:37,520 he and a policeman stationed themselves by the lift. 111 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,840 They were waiting for when the mystery woman would come down 112 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,400 and go through to the dining room. 113 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:49,160 Time went by, other guests came through, the suspense mounted. 114 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:59,680 Then, finally, the lift doors opened and...there she was. 115 00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:02,640 Yes, it was Agatha. 116 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,320 She'd been found. 117 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:13,120 But where was the dramatic reunion? 118 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:17,200 Where were the tears and recriminations? 119 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,600 Agatha greeted Archie 120 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:23,800 and they walked quietly off to the hotel restaurant. 121 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:30,160 To the 25 or so reporters outside the hotel, though, 122 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:35,040 the mystery thickened because Agatha, sitting here, 123 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,960 calmly having her dinner, didn't look like they expected. 124 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,920 She wasn't "distressed", she didn't seem "broken", 125 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,440 she didn't seem "guilty" about all this trouble she'd caused. 126 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,240 Answers were required. 127 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,920 And Archie had answers. 128 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:55,720 He announced to the journalists that Agatha had lost her memory. 129 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:02,680 The press wanted details. They wanted explanations. 130 00:10:02,680 --> 00:10:07,400 Now, they were told Agatha didn't remember the car accident. 131 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,240 She didn't know how she got to Harrogate. 132 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,680 She definitely couldn't explain why she'd checked into the hotel 133 00:10:13,680 --> 00:10:18,000 under her husband's mistress's surname. 134 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,560 She'd even forgotten who she was. 135 00:10:22,560 --> 00:10:27,880 To the journalists, though, this sounded almost unbelievable, 136 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:29,920 a totally lame excuse. 137 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:34,440 What kind of self-respecting detective novelist would have 138 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,960 come up with a plot twist as bad as that?! 139 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:43,320 It felt like she'd made fools of them all. 140 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:48,000 They wanted motives, so they invented them. 141 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:53,040 It was a publicity stunt. After all, while she was missing, 142 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,800 Agatha's books had sold out across Britain. 143 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:03,200 Or perhaps it was a twisted hoax to punish her unfaithful husband. 144 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,360 Hardly anyone believed that Agatha was telling the truth. 145 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:08,600 But, of course, 146 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,440 the journalists didn't know what had happened in the months before. 147 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:18,520 I think we should consider Agatha's own testimony for what 148 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,240 she experienced in 1926. 149 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,920 Bad things had been happening to her that year. 150 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,960 Her mother had died, she was under pressure from her work. 151 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:36,040 She reports a whole range of symptoms - forgetfulness, 152 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,600 tearfulness, insomnia. 153 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,440 In August, so before she disappeared, 154 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:46,080 a gossip columnist reported that she'd had a breakdown. 155 00:11:49,680 --> 00:11:54,240 On top of all that, just before Agatha disappeared, 156 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,840 Archie had told her he was leaving her for another woman. 157 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:04,760 Not just any woman. Nancy Neele was a friend of Agatha's. 158 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,680 She was nine years younger, outgoing and sporty. 159 00:12:08,680 --> 00:12:13,000 Like Archie, she was a keen golfer. She'd even stayed at their house 160 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,720 while visiting the local golf course. 161 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:20,480 No surprise, then, that Agatha's mental health was suffering. 162 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:25,760 But it's still a big leap from there to forgetting who you are. 163 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:30,520 I need to understand if Agatha could really have had amnesia. 164 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,200 I've come to Harrogate's Royal Baths, 165 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,960 where she took regular therapeutic treatments during her stay. 166 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,640 This is quite the place, isn't it? 167 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:45,920 Somewhere I've always wanted to come. 168 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:51,360 I'm hoping Professor Edgar Jones can suggest a modern medical diagnosis. 169 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:57,360 Edgar, can I ask you, how would you describe your profession? 170 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,800 Technically, I'm a clinical psychopathologist 171 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,840 and psychotherapist, but I'm interested particularly in people 172 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,480 who've been through stressful situations, 173 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,800 such as soldiers in war, people who've got PTSD. 174 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:14,200 I can see some connections to Agatha's trauma here. 175 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,120 At the time, a lot of people believed that she was faking 176 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,360 her condition, cos she did things like stay at a hotel, 177 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:24,120 eat dinner, socialise with other guests. 178 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:28,120 How can you do all of that if you've "lost your memory"? 179 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,960 Well, it is consistent with the diagnosis of fugue. 180 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,520 Fugue, tell me a bit more about fugue. 181 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,320 That means a flight, doesn't it? 182 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:41,720 Fugue is a very rare state, but it has the purpose of extracting 183 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,280 a person from a stressful or intolerable situation. 184 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,680 So you go from being in an area where you're uncomfortable, 185 00:13:48,680 --> 00:13:52,160 you can't see a future, into a new identity with a new role 186 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:56,040 in a new place. I see it as a kind of flight into health. 187 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,200 A flight into health is an interesting phrase, 188 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,160 seeing as we're sitting in a health facility, 189 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,040 which would explain why she'd come to Harrogate, right? 190 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:05,440 It could well do. 191 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,000 Coming to Harrogate would mean she's no longer reminded of 192 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,200 things around her, where she lives, 193 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,760 her husband who's threatening divorce, 194 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:15,120 the death of her mother, 195 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,240 and I do wonder, because when she checks into the hotel, 196 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:19,800 she calls herself Teresa Neele, 197 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:24,520 and Neele is of course the name of her husband's love interest. 198 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,400 It's not that she's playing a part, she's not being an actress. 199 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:32,160 It's almost, in her mind, she's recreated herself in a happy place, 200 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,960 in the identity of the woman who's threatening her very marriage. 201 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:40,280 And, Edgar, have you ever met people who've experienced this 202 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,120 fugue state? Fugue state is very rare, 203 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:47,240 so in a period of ten years of clinical work, on our ward, 204 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,880 we had two women who fell into this fugue state 205 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,720 and one man also who came pretty close to the diagnosis, 206 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,320 so it is very unusual, 207 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,040 because people are still able to function appropriately 208 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,800 on a day-to-day basis, and it doesn't imply that this 209 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:06,400 is acting or faking or some publicity stunt. 210 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:16,840 Gosh! 211 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:21,960 We're talking here about a really extreme, 212 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,960 frightening medical condition. 213 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:33,320 I'm persuaded by this argument about the fugue state and, in turn, 214 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,160 it makes me... 215 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:39,920 It makes me so furious that people then and people still today 216 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:44,520 think that somehow she was making it up, that she was faking it. 217 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:51,440 Seems to me that despite her fame and her success 218 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:56,360 and all the good things in her life, there's a deep injustice here. 219 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:01,400 Not only was Agatha bereaved, she'd lost her mother, not only had she 220 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,160 lost her husband, not only was she ill, 221 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:08,200 but that she was shamed for all of this 222 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:12,080 in the newspapers...globally. 223 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,200 Makes me angry. 224 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:23,560 This ill, confused woman was now fair game for pursuit by the press. 225 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:29,320 The day after Agatha was found, with crowds of photographers 226 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:34,240 waiting outside the hotel, Archie needed somehow to get her away. 227 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:43,400 But he was too clever to bring her out the front. 228 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,960 The Christies came sneaking out the back, 229 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:48,920 disappointing all the photographers, 230 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:53,960 and this is the sort of behaviour that turns the press against you. 231 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,360 The photographers soon caught up with them again. 232 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,480 Agatha and Archie took a train, 233 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,720 but tried to shake them off again by heading to Cheshire, 234 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:10,480 home to Agatha's sister's family, in the splendid Abney Hall. 235 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:16,960 Still, the reporters had hunted them down by the time they arrived. 236 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,800 As the car came through these gates, 237 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:24,320 Agatha's brother-in-law jumped out and slammed the gates closed. 238 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:28,640 Those ravenous reporters were all trapped outside, 239 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,320 but Agatha was now under siege. 240 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,320 You might think this was a strange place to bring her, 241 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,960 but it was her big sister's home 242 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,360 and she'd been coming here since she was 12 years old. 243 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,280 She couldn't go home to the house she shared with Archie - 244 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,080 too traumatic. 245 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:11,480 So, here she was, holed up amongst faded Victorian Gothic. 246 00:18:14,120 --> 00:18:18,240 Now, which room am I in? 247 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,800 I think it's the dining room. Look, there's that door. 248 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:28,280 And it had this massive table, like Count Dracula's Castle. 249 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:35,680 Agatha had spent a lot of time here as a child 250 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:41,000 and you can see that the melodramatic atmosphere of the place 251 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,040 appealed to something in her imagination. 252 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,520 It sparked many stories. 253 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:50,160 Often when you're reading an Agatha Christie book, and there's 254 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:56,200 some vast, gloomy mansion, you think, "Yep, that's Abney Hall." 255 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,680 There's even a railway that goes round the park, 256 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,880 just like in the story 4:50 From Paddington. 257 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:03,920 Clearly, it was inspired by this place. 258 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:11,760 In the book, Rutherford Hall is described as uncomfortable, 259 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,160 cold and dark - 260 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:19,520 the perfect setting for family intrigue and a couple of murders. 261 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,320 But when she was on the run, when the press were after her, 262 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:26,600 when she was ill, 263 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:31,640 this place had the advantage of being familiar to her, but it was 264 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:37,360 also a place that, my goodness, has a sort of morbid atmosphere to it. 265 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:43,200 Not sure it was the best place for her to be, quite honestly. 266 00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:47,280 Doctors arrived 267 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:52,520 and announced that her amnesia was unquestionably genuine. 268 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:58,160 Archie told reporters that Agatha now knew who he was, but had 269 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:04,040 lost three years of her life and still didn't recognise her daughter. 270 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,520 But they didn't believe him. 271 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:11,800 Questions were raised in Parliament about the cost of the police search. 272 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,120 There were calls for the Christies to pay the money back. 273 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:22,920 On 18th December, Archie left Abney. Agatha stayed on. 274 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:33,240 In early 1927, Agatha's sister persuaded her to take 275 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,880 a flat in London in search of a cure. 276 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:43,160 Next comes a deeply mysterious part of Agatha's life. 277 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,760 There are hints that she came for psychiatric treatment 278 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,280 here in Harley Street, 279 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,280 where the best and the most expensive doctors are to be found. 280 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,360 But there aren't any records of her treatment. 281 00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:56,680 I'd love to know more. 282 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,680 I want to find out who might have treated Agatha 283 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,680 and what sort of treatment she received. 284 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,560 Hello. Will you be Claire? I'm Claire. 285 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,480 I've enlisted the help of Dr Claire Hilton, 286 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,520 historian in residence at the Royal College of Psychiatrists. 287 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:19,360 This is the journal of the Royal Medico-Psychological Association, 288 00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:23,760 which includes a list of members 289 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,400 and where they worked. Ah! 290 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:32,000 Just seven psychiatrists had Harley Street addresses at the time 291 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:36,280 and Claire thinks she's found the most likely candidate. 292 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,840 And here we've got William Brown, 293 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,840 at number 88 Harley Street. Yes. 294 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,640 Was this Dr William Brown a public figure? Was he famous? 295 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:52,840 He gave public lectures and in 1925, 296 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:57,760 the Guardian and the Telegraph reported on some of his. 297 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,800 "Loss Of Memory, How To Cure It, Dr William Brown." 298 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:05,360 It says here, "He knew that a wave of the hand would immediately 299 00:22:05,360 --> 00:22:08,240 "bring memory back." Sounds like our man. 300 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,800 Sounds like it. 301 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,640 What sort of treatment did this William Brown give to people? 302 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,920 He was very keen on hypnosis. 303 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,200 It says here that, "During the war, he had treated 304 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:26,120 "over 600 cases of loss of memory in this way with invariable success." 305 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:35,520 The first mental casualties of World War I appeared in 1914, exhibiting 306 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:42,280 perplexing symptoms, like trembling, paralysis, speech disorders, 307 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,280 confusion and memory problems. 308 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:49,760 Originally, it was thought vibrations from shell explosions 309 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,880 were to blame and the phrase "shellshock" appeared. 310 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,560 By the end of the war, 311 00:22:55,560 --> 00:23:02,280 80,000 such cases had passed through British Army medical facilities. 312 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:06,440 William Brown was one of the young doctors brought in to treat them. 313 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:12,400 He agreed with Freud that recovering repressed memories was key to 314 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:17,600 his patients' health and in wartime, he needed a quick fix - hypnosis. 315 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,720 Now, I'm curious to know what we can learn from Agatha's novels 316 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,680 about this mystery and, in particular, there's this novel, 317 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,760 Giant's Bread, it's not a detective novel, but in it, somebody loses 318 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:36,120 their memory and they get it back again with the help of a doctor. 319 00:23:36,120 --> 00:23:40,360 "He's a tall, thin man with eyes that seemed to see right into 320 00:23:40,360 --> 00:23:46,200 "the centre of you," so somebody very charismatic and penetrating. 321 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:50,680 And this doctor uses a technique that sounds a bit like hypnosis. 322 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:55,880 "The doctor touched his forehead and his limbs, told him that he was 323 00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:02,280 "resting, was rested and he would become strong and happy again..." 324 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:06,600 And he begins to remember. Does that sound like Dr Brown to you? 325 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:12,360 Well, what stands out is William Brown's comment that he would 326 00:24:12,360 --> 00:24:19,480 touch the forehead of his patients before they passed into this 327 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,680 hypnotic state. That's fascinating, 328 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,080 because this novel that describes someone being hypnotised to 329 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:29,000 get their memories back, I've always suspected that Agatha was 330 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,480 talking about her own experience here. 331 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,680 I think you've brought some new evidence to the table here, 332 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,280 that she really did experience illness in 1927 333 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,760 and that she was treated for it, 334 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,120 using up-to-date techniques of psychiatry and hypnosis. 335 00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:47,960 Is it possible, Claire, that he was "a tall, thin man with eyes 336 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:53,160 "that seemed to see right into the centre of you," as Agatha says here? 337 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,320 Well, we have found a picture of him. No! 338 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,200 Don't tell me he was short and fat! Don't tell me that! 339 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,400 Well, that is William Brown... He's tall. ..on the left. He's tall. 340 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:02,480 He's thin. He's slim. 341 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:07,160 What do you think of his eyes? Has he got a penetrating gaze? 342 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,480 He knows what you're thinking, Claire! 343 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,800 Probably. I think Agatha put him into her novel. 344 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,760 It really wouldn't surprise me. 345 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:28,560 Giant's Bread wasn't published under the name of Agatha Christie. 346 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,800 She used a pseudonym, Mary Westmacott, 347 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:39,520 and the true identity of Mary Westmacott was kept top secret. 348 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:45,320 And when she was writing in the privacy of her pseudonym, 349 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:52,440 Mary Westmacott, I think that Agatha shows us who she really was and, 350 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:57,840 to me, that's a person who's clearly had the insights of psychotherapy. 351 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,000 And this is a whole level of understanding that's been missed 352 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:07,480 by all the people who don't believe that in 1926, Agatha really was ill. 353 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:14,240 She went on to write five more Mary Westmacott books. 354 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,040 They're almost like a form of therapy themselves, 355 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,840 a place to explore her true feelings, 356 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:25,520 which means these books are vital for understanding the real Agatha. 357 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,000 They didn't sell well, 358 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:32,040 though, without the murders or the Agatha Christie name. 359 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:36,560 Now, these Mary Westmacott novels have often been 360 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:41,640 written off as romances, you know, woman-type stuff, 361 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,680 but I don't think that's fair. 362 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,560 They're quite serious studies of human nature. 363 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:53,280 And I think that this new wisdom, this new maturity, 364 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,880 comes into her detective fiction too. 365 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,720 As time goes on, Poirot, for example, 366 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,680 changes the way that he works. 367 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,880 He gets less interested in physical clues 368 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:11,160 and more interested in what we might call psychological profiling. 369 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:16,440 He says here he's not interested in "cigarette ash or fingerprints", 370 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:21,680 he says, "It is the psychology I seek." 371 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:27,040 He wants to read the secrets of the heart. 372 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,760 I believe that we wouldn't have had Agatha's most famous 373 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,400 detective novels without her moment of crisis, 374 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,640 and in particular, the psychotherapy that followed. 375 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,640 We've reached 1928. 376 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:59,120 Agatha's therapy was over, but she couldn't move on just yet. 377 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,480 Archie wanted to marry his lover, Nancy Neele, 378 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,680 and Agatha, who didn't even want a divorce, 379 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:15,240 was forced to collude in a trick to protect Nancy's reputation. 380 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,680 Archie committed a kind of fake adultery. 381 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:24,880 He came here to the Grosvenor Hotel, Victoria, and "committed adultery 382 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,760 "with a woman", except he didn't really. 383 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:34,080 He paid a waiter to say that he'd seen Archie in bed with this woman. 384 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,680 All this was presented in court and for Agatha, 385 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,680 there were two bad things here. 386 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,520 Firstly, this was all in public, it was in the High Court. 387 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,840 Secondly, she had to perjure herself. 388 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,480 She had to lie and say, yes, 389 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,720 she believed that this had really happened. 390 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,880 Nancy's name was kept out of the proceedings 391 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,080 and you get a sense of how Agatha felt about this 392 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,640 because in another of her Mary Westmacott books, 393 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:10,960 the heroine tells us, if she took another woman's husband, she says, 394 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:16,320 "I'd do it honestly. I'd not skulk in the shadow 395 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,560 "and let someone else do the dirty work." 396 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,800 Agatha, of course, didn't have the luxury of hiding in the shadows, 397 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,560 and the divorce meant, inevitably, 398 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:36,480 another airing in the newspapers for the story of her disappearance. 399 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,200 Even after Agatha was found, 400 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,200 you don't hear her voice in the press coverage. 401 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,680 She'd clearly decided not to give any interviews. 402 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:52,320 And in lots of books you'll read about Agatha Christie, 403 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,520 it's said that she never spoke again about her disappearance, 404 00:29:55,520 --> 00:30:01,320 that she kept silent for the rest of her life. Now, that's not true. 405 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,600 It's almost comically untrue 406 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:09,920 because in 1928, with the divorce under way, 407 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:14,320 she decided to take back control of her own story. 408 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,000 She gave a really long, 409 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,320 really detailed description about exactly what had happened to her. 410 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:27,120 In an exclusive interview with the Daily Mail, Agatha directly 411 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,080 confronted the rumours about her disappearance. 412 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,280 And I don't think it's a coincidence that the article came out 413 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:39,200 as she was trying to win custody of her daughter Rosalind. 414 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,240 Ooh! Are these all your newspapers? 415 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,960 Absolutely. Superb. A whole range of them here. Thank you. 416 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:49,120 I want to discuss this article with an expert on '20s journalism. 417 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,560 Why would she have chosen the Daily Mail for telling her 418 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:53,920 side of the story? 419 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,520 Well, that's the best-selling newspaper of the 1920s. 420 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,720 It was still very much the market leader. 421 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,720 And it would be read by more people than any other that she could 422 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,640 have gone to, so I think the Daily Mail makes absolute sense. 423 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,960 It's also very striking to me that it's in the first person. 424 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:14,000 She gets to say exactly what she wants to say in her own words, 425 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,720 purportedly. Absolutely. 426 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,880 "In her own words" is one of THE catchphrases of this 427 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:24,040 period of journalism, the idea that we're opening the curtain, 428 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:28,120 we're sort of seeing right into someone's soul. 429 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,360 In the interview, Agatha is frank about her feelings, 430 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,080 her insomnia, 431 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:39,920 the fact that she began to experience suicidal thoughts. 432 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,560 She left home that night 433 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,200 with the intention of doing something desperate. 434 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:47,760 She says... 435 00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:03,240 Adrian, who's reading these papers that have got Agatha Christie 436 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,480 plastered all over the front page? 437 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,880 Well, they were designed to appeal to a broad middle-class audience, 438 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,640 but we know that, really, the heart of the readership 439 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,240 at this point were middle-class women. Is that the front page? 440 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,840 That's the front page. It's all about dresses. Absolutely. 441 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,560 And underwear. The Daily Mail knew that it could get 442 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,040 huge amounts of money for this advertising, 443 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,440 so the advertisers were pushing for the female readers 444 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:32,120 and therefore, the editors were, "We need to reach these female readers." 445 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:37,920 Agatha's books were serialised in these newspapers, targeted at women. 446 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,320 The same female readers who'd also lapped up the real-life 447 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,040 story of her disappearance. 448 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,360 Agatha needed to keep them onside. 449 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,840 There are very powerful ideas at this time of what 450 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,800 motherhood should be, not least 451 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,560 because there had been some murmurings, I think, 452 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,680 about how could someone disappear like that and leave a daughter? 453 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,160 And she would probably have been conscious of the sorts of things 454 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,200 that she would need to say, 455 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,400 not just in the courtroom, but to the court of public opinion. 456 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,520 She would have been conscious of that, I think. 457 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,160 What's astonishing to me 458 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,880 is that, despite the fact she gave an interview to the Daily Mail 459 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,160 saying exactly why she'd disappeared, 460 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,840 nobody was listening, because most people today still, I think, 461 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,040 would say, "Oh, yeah, she disappeared 462 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,200 "because she was a bad person and she was framing 463 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,160 "her cheating husband for her murder," 464 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,160 because that made a better media story. Absolutely, 465 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:42,080 and I think, to some extent, it is the result of the intensity of the 466 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:47,040 coverage in 1926, splashed across a whole range of different newspapers, 467 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:51,440 versus a one-off interview for one newspaper, which although would 468 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:52,760 have got a certain reach, 469 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,000 it didn't probably have that same lasting resonance, 470 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,840 and so people would go back to the events of 1926 471 00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,760 and then put their own interpretation on it. 472 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,640 It just shows, you mustn't believe what you read in the papers. 473 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,560 Absolutely not. You can't ever trust the 1920s newspapers, in particular. 474 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:07,600 Gosh! 475 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,960 In the end, Agatha could not stop 476 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,480 the speculation about her disappearance. 477 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,760 But she did win custody of Rosalind. 478 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,000 And she was learning that she couldn't just keep quiet. 479 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:26,640 She had to get out there and manage her image. 480 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,800 This is beginning to make sense to me. 481 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,640 The very last thing she must have wanted to do was to give 482 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,360 interviews to the press. 483 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:39,640 And yet, she was locked into this relationship with it. 484 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,480 She still had to sell books. 485 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,120 Throughout the upheavals of her divorce, 486 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,000 Agatha had been wrestling with her next Poirot mystery. 487 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,320 And just a month after the Daily Mail article appeared, 488 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,560 a new novel hit the shelves. 489 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:20,560 The Mystery Of The Blue Train is about a murder on a luxury train, 490 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,240 going to the South of France. 491 00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:29,280 And it's a book that marks a turning point in Agatha's career, cos this 492 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:34,520 is the book that she was working on in 1926, when she disappeared. 493 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:39,200 The story reflects the turmoil in her private life. 494 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,880 It's about divorce and faithless spouses, but the book itself 495 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:49,320 was part of the problem for her because she just couldn't finish it. 496 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:54,160 She later described it as easily the worst book she'd ever written. 497 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,840 When she'd come back after the disappearance, 498 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,440 she really needed to finish it because of the money 499 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,880 and she describes in this letter how difficult that was. 500 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,480 She says here, "I wanted to write for the sake of the money," 501 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,280 to support her daughter, 502 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:15,680 "but I felt I couldn't and it is a nerve-wracking feeling." 503 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,160 You can see her trying to finish the book, squeezing out the words, 504 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,240 as she tots up her daily totals 505 00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:23,560 and on this page of her notebooks here. 506 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:30,120 She manages to get to 53,000 words, but her publishing contract 507 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,400 says that the next novel must be 508 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:38,160 "not less than 75,000 words". 509 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:44,240 Let me read you one of the very last paragraphs of the story, 510 00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:49,200 which throws an interesting light on all of this, I think. 511 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,440 "From far behind them, there came a long, drawn-out scream 512 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,720 "of an engine's whistle. 513 00:36:55,720 --> 00:37:01,840 " 'Trains are relentless things, aren't they, Monsieur Poirot? 514 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:06,440 " 'People are murdered and die, but they go on just the same.' " 515 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,320 So, this story works on two levels. 516 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:14,400 It's a story about a train, but it's also a story about the 517 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:21,120 relentless, inexorable nature of success and publishing contracts. 518 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,640 Much later, Agatha said that it was full of cliches, the people 519 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,600 were unreal, the plot predictable, and it had no joie de vivre. 520 00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:39,240 People who thought it one of her best, she said, 521 00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:41,840 actually went down in her estimation. 522 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,000 But even though it wasn't exactly a masterpiece, 523 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:52,000 the Blue Train sold because Agatha was now notorious. 524 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,160 The Murder Of Roger Ackroyd, a brilliant book, 525 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,560 sold 4,000 copies in its first year. 526 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,840 The Blue Train, described by Agatha as "easily the worst book 527 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,880 "I ever wrote", sold 7,000 copies. 528 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:27,680 Later, in 1928, Agatha's divorce finally became official. 529 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,840 The next week, Archie married Nancy Neele. 530 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,640 It must have felt like yet another public humiliation. 531 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:43,680 Agatha was adrift. Her daughter was off at boarding school, 532 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:49,480 she had no ties, no husband, and more notoriety than she wanted. 533 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,600 But there was, at least, the freedom to get away. 534 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:59,200 In November 1928, Agatha threw caution to the wind 535 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:04,720 and booked herself a second-class ticket on the famous Orient Express. 536 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:11,040 She'd once travelled the world with Archie by her side. 537 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,880 Here was her chance to go solo. 538 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:21,360 And this was her first stop - Sirkeci Station, Istanbul. 539 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:29,520 Agatha likes to tell the story about how fate brought her here. 540 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:35,200 She had planned to go to the West Indies, but then, at a party, 541 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:39,000 she ran into a couple who'd just come back from Iraq. 542 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,760 They told her how marvellous it was, 543 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,560 they told her about these incredible train journeys. 544 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:50,680 The next day, she changed her ticket and five days later, she was off. 545 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:56,360 So, in the autumn of 1928, Agatha arrived here in Istanbul, 546 00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,800 ready to begin the next stage of her journey even further east. 547 00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:13,560 Thank you. 548 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:19,880 Now, this business of the last-minute change of tickets, 549 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:24,840 it does sound like a plot device from one of Agatha's own books, 550 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,160 doesn't it? 551 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,400 And when she came to write her own life story, 552 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,600 she saw it in those terms, 553 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:36,680 as the beginning of a fresh chapter, a new start in life. 554 00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:49,200 As Agatha put it, "I was going by myself, I should find out now 555 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,200 "what kind of person I was." 556 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,600 It's pretty exciting for me being here in the 21st century, 557 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,520 and I've got a film crew with me. 558 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:05,240 Imagine what it must have been like for a woman alone here in the 1920s. 559 00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:08,280 It must have been almost shockingly different 560 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,720 from her normal life at home. 561 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:17,280 Single female tourists were a bit of a rarity at the time. 562 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:21,520 Yet, here she was, at 38 years old, heading off on her own. 563 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,800 Last time that happened, there'd been a national manhunt, 564 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,400 and now she was blissfully in control. 565 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,000 What's more, her journey was only just beginning. 566 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:40,640 Here's a map from the 1920s that shows Agatha's route. 567 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,320 It's described as an Authentic Imperial Map. 568 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,640 She started here at Istanbul. 569 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:52,520 British people then saw the city as the gateway to the East. 570 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:57,120 Then she crossed the Bosporus by boat, 571 00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,720 then it was on to a train to get across the rest of Turkey, through 572 00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:08,560 some thrilling mountain passes, then through Syria, to Damascus, 573 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,800 there it is, then the journey got really exciting because to go across 574 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:19,120 the desert into Iraq, she had to travel in a bouncing desert minibus. 575 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:26,600 The idea of being on your own in the desert was a powerful one 576 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:33,400 for Agatha. Years later, she wrote Absent In The Spring. 577 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,720 In it, a woman finds herself stranded for days 578 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:42,120 and is forced to confront her self-deception. Agatha writes... 579 00:42:55,680 --> 00:43:01,120 I think that on this journey, Agatha too was finally facing up to 580 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,480 all those terrible things she'd been through. 581 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,080 When she reached Baghdad, 582 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,800 she actually found it a bit disappointing. 583 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,080 It was a bit too British and colonial. 584 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:16,560 So she immediately set off again, going in this direction, 585 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:21,120 towards an even bigger adventure. 586 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:26,120 Over 200 miles south of Baghdad, she reached Tell el-Muqayyar. 587 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,320 This was the site of an archaeological dig, 588 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,320 begun in 1922, which had uncovered 589 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:38,360 treasures from the 5,000-year-old Sumerian civilisation 590 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,320 at the Royal Cemetery at Ur. 591 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,800 The visit to the dig would end up being 592 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:51,560 just as transformative for Agatha as the journey itself. 593 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:59,480 Many objects excavated at Ur are housed here at the British Museum. 594 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,280 And I'm meeting a leading expert. 595 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,560 Zainab, in the 1920s, Tutankhamun has just been discovered 596 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,720 and everybody's mad for Egyptian things... Yes. ..aren't they? 597 00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:18,120 Egyptomania. Egyptomania! How does Iraq fit into that? 598 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:23,600 Well, soon afterwards, Iraq also got a different 599 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,240 kind of a mania about these... Especially these finds from Ur. 600 00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:32,440 So, it began to gain a similar kind of glamour. 601 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,240 So, if you've seen the Golden Treasures from Egypt, 602 00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:39,040 you're also going to like the Golden Treasures from Iraq. Exactly. 603 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,800 Zainab, what's this amazing thing we're looking at here? 604 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,280 This is the so-called Ram in a Thicket. 605 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:49,720 It was one of the objects that was found in the Royal Cemetery of Ur, 606 00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:55,640 which was this spectacular series of 16 graves that date to the 607 00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,720 middle of the third millennium BC in the south of Iraq. 608 00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:03,680 How intrepid of her was this? 609 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,960 Well, I think it was intrepid, 610 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:10,200 because even now a lot of people are kind of reluctant to go to Iraq, 611 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,200 after all of the wars and so on. 612 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,600 And we have to imagine that it was something similar. 613 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,320 They had just come out of the First World War. 614 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,840 Iraq was under the British mandate, 615 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,000 which is a polite way of saying it was a colony. 616 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:27,680 So it was this exotic place, but it was in the East, 617 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:28,960 in someplace unknown. 618 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:34,600 So I do think it was brave of her to decide to go. 619 00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,840 When Agatha Christie arrived at Ur in 1928, 620 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,120 she got invited to stay on the site. 621 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,800 That was a pretty special thing, wasn't it? 622 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,000 That's very special. 623 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,560 Yes, I doubt that they would have invited every tourist. 624 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:53,920 No, because she brought publicity to the archaeologists. Exactly. 625 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:58,400 And what archaeologists really want is to have that kind of publicity 626 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,440 in order to have more funds. 627 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,080 Agatha's fame may have attracted the archaeologists, 628 00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,240 but she certainly got something in return. 629 00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:12,640 Archaeology and Iraq would become a source of inspiration 630 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:13,960 for future novels. 631 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,440 And she also gained in other ways. 632 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:24,280 It seems to me that Agatha's first trip to Iraq made a big difference 633 00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,560 to her self-confidence. 634 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:32,000 She knew now that she could live by herself, travel by herself. 635 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,440 I think it gave her a new sense of independence. 636 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:46,000 The next step was to apply this new confidence 637 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,480 to her life at home. 638 00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,960 And, by chance, 639 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,840 1928 was also the year she had her first encounters 640 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,560 with the movies. 641 00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:10,600 I'm meeting Mark Aldridge, an expert on Agatha's films, 642 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,200 to find out how she showed her mettle. 643 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:17,640 Mark, what was the...what was the very first Agatha Christie film? 644 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,440 It's actually not one of the big stories. 645 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,080 So you might think it would be Poirot or that it would be one 646 00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:23,800 of her really famous mysteries. 647 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,240 But actually, it was a short story, a Mr Quinn short story, 648 00:47:27,240 --> 00:47:29,000 one of her interesting characters. 649 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,680 It starts quite like what Agatha Christie wrote, 650 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,360 but we also get things like poisonous snakes 651 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:35,760 and all sorts of things 652 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,760 that are absolutely not in her original story. 653 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,960 Oh, look! There's the snake. 654 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,560 Adaptations of films in this era 655 00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,040 very often were playing fast and loose with the original story. 656 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:48,440 This is a silent film, 657 00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,120 so you're having to make changes anyway. 658 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,920 So we shouldn't think that Agatha Christie was particularly 659 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:56,400 poorly treated here. 660 00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,920 Reviews weren't terribly kind, and one said it was 661 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,680 one of the least convincing things they'd ever seen on film. 662 00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,280 Oh, dear. Yes. 663 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,120 So, can we see this first film? The really bad one? 664 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,760 Unfortunately, no prints are known to survive. 665 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,720 But who knows if that was deliberate or not? 666 00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:14,160 So, 1928, this really terrible film kicks off her career. 667 00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:18,560 What happens next? Does it get any better? Well, a little. 668 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,680 What we then have is Austin Trevor, 669 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,080 a fairly young actor playing Hercule Poirot on screen. 670 00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,360 Can we see this guy, then, Austin Trevor? 671 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:31,200 We can see him in 1934 in Lord Edgware Dies. Ooh! 672 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,200 Let's assess his performance, shall we? See what you think. 673 00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,520 Mr Poirot, I believe. At your service, my dear. 674 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,200 Oh, you Frenchmen are so cute. 675 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,280 I just love your Parisian manners. 676 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,200 He's French! LAUGHING: He's French. 677 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,760 He's not supposed to be French. I know. I know. 678 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,640 He's famously Belgian. He's famously Belgian... 679 00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,080 ..unless you're a film producer, 680 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,200 in which case, he'll be whatever you want him to be. 681 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,360 Mr Poirot, I want to consult you. But certainly, madame. 682 00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:57,720 Shall I call on you tomorrow? 683 00:48:57,720 --> 00:48:59,800 Oh, tomorrow means nothing in my life - 684 00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,880 only the present counts. Why not now? 685 00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,640 By all means, if you wish. 686 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,400 We should be quite undisturbed in there. 687 00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,560 What's going on with the moustache? 688 00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,000 Exactly. Where is his moustache? 689 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:10,880 He's not Poirot! No. 690 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,480 Of course, if we were in Chicago, 691 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,400 I could get him bumped off quite easily. 692 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,040 But you don't seem to run to gunmen over here. No, madame. 693 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,600 Here, we consider human beings have a right to live. 694 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,640 Even husbands. Oh, I see. 695 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,720 So how does she react to people taking Poirot and making him sexy 696 00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:28,440 and French, messing with him? 697 00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:32,680 Well, we've got a pretty good idea, because later in the 1930s, MGM, 698 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,280 the big Hollywood studio, they showed some interest. 699 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,920 This is a letter from May 1936 from her American agent, 700 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,200 written to her British agent, to say 701 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,400 that they'd better drop negotiations. Oh! What went wrong? 702 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:49,240 Well, the New York office thinks this is because the author, 703 00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:50,720 our beloved Agatha Christie, 704 00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:52,560 wanted a clause put in the contract 705 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:56,520 saying that Poirot should not be involved in any love story. 706 00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,360 So she said, you can have Poirot, 707 00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,240 but you can't make him into a romantic hero. 708 00:50:01,240 --> 00:50:05,160 And that was enough for a big studio like MGM to say, "No, we'll pass." 709 00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:11,440 Gosh. So they wanted him to be this kind of guy, a romantic lead. 710 00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:12,840 Yes, they did. 711 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,600 I love the sense that she's taking up control. 712 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,120 She's becoming the queen of crime. I think so. 713 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,280 And I think she started to have confidence to speak back 714 00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,480 to people who tried to correct her or said 715 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,440 that she should be doing certain things. 716 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,680 And I think that the earlier Agatha Christie 717 00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,000 wouldn't have done that. 718 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,360 She's a changed woman. Hmm. 719 00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:37,200 It's fascinating to see Agatha fighting to keep Poirot 720 00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:38,520 under her control. 721 00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,200 Made wiser by recent troubles, 722 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,200 emboldened by her independent travel, 723 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,720 she was beginning to find the confidence 724 00:50:47,720 --> 00:50:50,520 to stand up for herself and her writing. 725 00:50:54,760 --> 00:51:01,240 In the late 1920s, detective fiction was flourishing, thanks to novelists 726 00:51:01,240 --> 00:51:05,000 like Dorothy L Sayers, GK Chesterton 727 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,160 and, of course, Agatha herself. 728 00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:12,400 And some of these writers banded together into a dining society 729 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:16,080 called the Detection Club. 730 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:21,520 If you joined the Detection Club, you had to swear the club oath. 731 00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,600 It was very tongue in cheek. 732 00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,520 You had to promise that, in any future novels you might write, 733 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:31,360 you would avoid the things considered to be cheating. 734 00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:36,200 These included trap doors and ghosts 735 00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:40,480 and super criminals and death rays 736 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:46,200 and - this is interesting - feminine intuition. 737 00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,240 I wonder what's wrong with feminine intuition 738 00:51:49,240 --> 00:51:53,520 and why it's cheatier than masculine intuition. 739 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,760 Anyway, Agatha had always enjoyed breaking the rules, 740 00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,520 and this was a rule that she would break 741 00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,320 in creating her new detective. 742 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:08,880 Miss Marple first appeared as a character in a short story 743 00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,080 of 1927, The Tuesday Night Club, 744 00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,520 before emerging as a detective 745 00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:19,800 in her own right in 1930's The Murder At The Vicarage. 746 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,600 Ha! Now, you might think 747 00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:28,000 that Miss Marple is a sort of cuddly, 748 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,960 tea-drinking old lady. You'd be wrong. 749 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:36,400 She's actually an independent and quite subversive woman, 750 00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,320 and she works through feminine intuition. 751 00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,200 This is how she defines it. 752 00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,240 She says, "Intuition is like reading a word 753 00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:48,000 "without having to spell it out. 754 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,680 "A child can't do that because a child has little experience, 755 00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,160 "but a grown-up person knows the word 756 00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,600 "because they've seen it often before." 757 00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,520 She's really talking about life experience, isn't she? 758 00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:03,800 As she says here, 759 00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:08,640 "My hobby is - and always has been - human nature." 760 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:13,400 Now, I think it was Agatha's own life experience, 761 00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:18,240 this sense that she'd been through trouble and come out stronger, 762 00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:21,240 that she was entering into her power 763 00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:26,560 that allowed her to create the rule-breaking Miss Marple. 764 00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,960 Agatha found a way of combining her new confidence and independence 765 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,080 with the psychological insights from her illness 766 00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,320 to create the perfect detective. 767 00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,320 Almost a century after we first met Miss Marple, 768 00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:49,000 some of our great novelists are still fascinated by her. 769 00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,080 I've met up for a glass of cherry brandy 770 00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,480 with three best-selling writers 771 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,240 who've just finished their own Miss Marple stories. 772 00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:02,200 Now, Kate, I've heard you saying that Miss Marple is your hero. 773 00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:03,520 Is that fair to say? 774 00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:04,960 Yes, she absolutely is. 775 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,920 I think she is one of the great unsung heroes of literature 776 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,160 and one of the great women of literature, 777 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,000 not just crime, but everything, 778 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,480 because she is utterly herself. 779 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:18,560 She's uncompromising, but she's gentle and clever. 780 00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:23,240 How many other women are the hero of their story at the age of 65, 781 00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:25,760 but without it being because they're somebody's mother? 782 00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,760 She's someone that other people take for granted a little bit. 783 00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,920 She's a little bit invisible, but she turns that 784 00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:33,560 into her secret weapon. 785 00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:37,120 You know, she's able to overhear conversations because people 786 00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,120 don't think anything about talking in front of her because she's just 787 00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,000 this fluffy little old lady. 788 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,400 So, of course, it doesn't matter what they say. 789 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,440 You know, part of this is also cultural, right? 790 00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,360 Because in an Asian context, you know, 791 00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,320 we revere the older generation 792 00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,520 and we think they have a great deal of wisdom. 793 00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:58,040 And when I first read Miss Marple stories, I was quite surprised 794 00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,480 by saying...by seeing, 795 00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,400 "Oh, she's being underestimated." 796 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,720 Kate, can you tell me what the brief was when you wrote 797 00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:06,160 these new Miss Marple stories? 798 00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,920 Well, it was... The brief was quite tight, in a way, wasn't it? 799 00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,680 So I think one of the key things is that 800 00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:13,720 there could be no love interest. 801 00:55:13,720 --> 00:55:19,160 We couldn't create a back story of a husband that died in the war 802 00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,480 or a broken heart. In those days, 803 00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,560 even though there was a surplus of women 804 00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,120 because of the First World War 805 00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,200 and there weren't enough men to go round and all of these things, 806 00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,160 there was also a thing that single women 807 00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,160 and women who didn't marry were to be pitied. 808 00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,800 And that is an incredibly important part 809 00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,920 of why Miss Marple is dismissed. 810 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,560 I think the other really interesting thing about both of Christie's 811 00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:45,120 detectives, actually, is that they both arise out of sort of 812 00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,280 slightly destabilising influences after the war, 813 00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,000 in that Poirot is a refugee, 814 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,440 and that was something that people had a lot of anxiety about. 815 00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,040 Miss Marple is one of this generation of superfluous women. 816 00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:01,840 And what Christie does brilliantly is show that these people are not 817 00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,960 just important and integral to society, but, you know, 818 00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,640 they can be absolutely key in ensuring that society can run 819 00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,520 in a successful way. 820 00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,080 Kate, when you were designing your crime that Miss Marple 821 00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,400 was going to solve, what did you bear in mind? 822 00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,720 I think the most important thing is resolution. 823 00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:22,160 The idea that you set up something very contained. 824 00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,600 You give the reader every single bit of information they need. 825 00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,440 But there is...it comes with a promise that 826 00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,000 there's going to be no things left hanging. 827 00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,480 But the other thing about Marple mysteries 828 00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,160 is that there's often some little piece 829 00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:40,360 of disregarded knowledge which is considered 830 00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,360 as being too trivial and too unimportant 831 00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,560 for all the grand, you know, police detectives. 832 00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,360 But for Miss Marple, nothing is too trivial. 833 00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,040 And that's her brilliance. 834 00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,960 You know, there are always these very clever clues. 835 00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,360 And when you try to replicate that experience, you realise 836 00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,440 how very difficult that actually is, 837 00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,400 to toss in just enough information that you're playing fair, 838 00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:08,280 but to do it without really just giving it all away. 839 00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:13,240 And it made me respect Christie and Miss Marple so very much, 840 00:57:13,240 --> 00:57:17,880 because you realise this is so much more difficult than you would think 841 00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:21,400 to set the path and yet not make it very obvious. 842 00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:30,400 Miss Marple embodied the new Agatha of the late 1920s, 843 00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,480 determined not to be at anyone's mercy, 844 00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,440 completely in control of her craft. 845 00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:41,560 Agatha had gone from desperate fugitive 846 00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,320 to this confident, 847 00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:49,000 powerful, independent woman in a really horrible way. 848 00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:54,480 I think that the traumatic 1920s had made her stronger. 849 00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,880 They'd certainly made her into a household name. 850 00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:03,160 And I also think the trouble she'd had made her work better. 851 00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:06,040 It made it richer and darker 852 00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:09,440 and more psychologically interesting. 853 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:13,400 She was ready for a fresh chapter. 854 00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:19,280 Next time, archaeology gets under Agatha's skin. 855 00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,720 Absolutely everything is celebrated by Christie. 856 00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,640 Evil comes to a remote island. 857 00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:27,840 Be very afraid. 858 00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,960 And the dark origins of a famous play. 859 00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:32,840 Have a look at this. She's written on it! 860 00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:34,160 This is brilliant. 120793

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