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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,265 --> 00:00:08,182 ♪ 2 00:00:08,269 --> 00:00:11,315 - [Eugenia Godzik] My brother was six years younger than me 3 00:00:11,402 --> 00:00:13,491 and I remember he had taken the job 4 00:00:13,578 --> 00:00:16,451 and started working for Gacy. 5 00:00:16,538 --> 00:00:20,542 And he says, oh, mom, me and this boy are working together 6 00:00:20,629 --> 00:00:24,676 and we're digging around Gacy's house. 7 00:00:24,763 --> 00:00:29,377 Well, it ended up they were digging their own graves. 8 00:00:29,812 --> 00:00:32,641 [dramatic music] 9 00:00:36,688 --> 00:00:38,777 - Five of the most prolific serial killers 10 00:00:38,821 --> 00:00:43,043 in American history were all operating at the same time. 11 00:00:43,130 --> 00:00:44,261 - John Wayne Gacy. 12 00:00:44,348 --> 00:00:45,306 - Ted Bundy. 13 00:00:45,393 --> 00:00:46,002 - BTK. 14 00:00:46,089 --> 00:00:46,872 - Jeffrey Dahmer. 15 00:00:46,959 --> 00:00:48,831 - So called Green River Killer. 16 00:00:48,918 --> 00:00:52,226 - This was the golden age of serial killers. 17 00:00:52,965 --> 00:00:59,407 ♪ 18 00:01:08,503 --> 00:01:09,330 - My mother had told me that 19 00:01:09,417 --> 00:01:11,114 the only thing she ever prayed for, 20 00:01:11,201 --> 00:01:15,640 for herself was to die peacefully in her sleep. 21 00:01:16,685 --> 00:01:19,601 And that's the one thing she did not get. 22 00:01:19,688 --> 00:01:22,995 - [Mary O'Toole] Three months after the Otero murders, 23 00:01:23,083 --> 00:01:26,825 Dennis Rader decided he was going to kill again. 24 00:01:26,869 --> 00:01:29,698 - [Kevin O'Connor] Now you have five homicides 25 00:01:29,785 --> 00:01:34,616 in Wichita, Kansas, within a few months. 26 00:01:34,703 --> 00:01:38,315 - [Safarik] When John Gacy has his first kill, 27 00:01:38,402 --> 00:01:42,841 he recognizes the powerful arousal component 28 00:01:42,885 --> 00:01:45,627 of deciding whether they live or die. 29 00:01:45,714 --> 00:01:48,456 This is when Gacy crosses over. 30 00:01:48,543 --> 00:01:51,807 - [William Kunkle] He says, defended himself and killed him 31 00:01:51,894 --> 00:01:55,941 and buried him in a crawlspace. 32 00:01:56,028 --> 00:01:59,510 - [Kathleen] During the first half of 1974, 33 00:01:59,597 --> 00:02:04,211 there were a series of murders about one a month. 34 00:02:04,298 --> 00:02:07,039 Ted Bundy's m.o. was to 35 00:02:07,083 --> 00:02:10,652 get women to trust him and go with him. 36 00:02:10,739 --> 00:02:14,438 - My husband told me, he said she's missing 37 00:02:14,525 --> 00:02:16,136 and they can't find her. 38 00:02:16,223 --> 00:02:19,922 And I said, no, she's dead. 39 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,542 - [Mary O'Toole] What sets this group of men apart 40 00:02:31,586 --> 00:02:34,719 is that they flew under law enforcement's radar 41 00:02:34,806 --> 00:02:35,807 for a long time, 42 00:02:35,851 --> 00:02:38,332 and in order to do that, 43 00:02:38,419 --> 00:02:43,728 these individuals have to come across as being fairly normal 44 00:02:43,772 --> 00:02:46,557 to their neighbors and to people that knew them. 45 00:02:46,644 --> 00:02:49,995 You don't look like you're really scary and dangerous. 46 00:02:50,082 --> 00:02:51,780 And when you're not killing, 47 00:02:51,867 --> 00:02:54,565 you are sort of living a pro social life, 48 00:02:54,652 --> 00:02:57,481 you're able to fly under the radar screen. 49 00:02:57,568 --> 00:02:58,961 Gacy was able to do it. 50 00:02:59,048 --> 00:03:00,180 Dahmer was able to do it. 51 00:03:00,223 --> 00:03:01,746 BTK was able to do it. 52 00:03:01,833 --> 00:03:03,705 Green River was able to do it. 53 00:03:03,748 --> 00:03:05,794 Bundy was able to do it. 54 00:03:05,881 --> 00:03:07,274 And when you have that combination, 55 00:03:07,317 --> 00:03:11,147 you could murder for years and years and not be caught. 56 00:03:11,234 --> 00:03:12,888 - [Safarik] Bundy was very careful 57 00:03:12,931 --> 00:03:15,673 in his planning of his crimes. 58 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,110 He'd always taken a single female. 59 00:03:18,154 --> 00:03:21,244 But here's what happens with guys like Bundy. 60 00:03:21,331 --> 00:03:24,334 You have a success and then you have another success 61 00:03:24,421 --> 00:03:26,771 and then another and then another. 62 00:03:26,858 --> 00:03:28,599 And pretty soon, 63 00:03:28,686 --> 00:03:32,516 you start to believe I'm so far ahead of law enforcement 64 00:03:32,603 --> 00:03:37,129 that you start to believe you're invincible. 65 00:03:37,173 --> 00:03:40,742 And this is what I think happens at Lake Sammamish. 66 00:03:42,309 --> 00:03:44,789 ♪ 67 00:03:44,876 --> 00:03:47,096 - [Kathleen] Lake Sammamish State Park, 68 00:03:47,183 --> 00:03:50,534 it's a lake and a park and a wonderful, beautiful place, 69 00:03:50,621 --> 00:03:55,060 particularly in the summertime in Seattle. 70 00:03:55,974 --> 00:04:00,631 Different witnesses saw Ted approach various young women. 71 00:04:00,675 --> 00:04:05,201 People saw that he had what appeared to be a cast on his arm 72 00:04:05,288 --> 00:04:08,813 and ask for some help with his sailboat. 73 00:04:08,900 --> 00:04:15,777 And people also observed Janice Ott leave with him. 74 00:04:15,864 --> 00:04:17,953 - [John Brown] Remember, this was an age of innocence. 75 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:23,001 I think if the Lake Sammamish incidences happened today, 76 00:04:23,088 --> 00:04:25,177 the women would be very suspicious of, 77 00:04:25,265 --> 00:04:27,005 you know, some stranger asking to 78 00:04:27,049 --> 00:04:30,182 put a sailboat on top of a Volkswagen. 79 00:04:30,226 --> 00:04:33,403 - Bundy abducts her, takes her up about two miles away 80 00:04:33,490 --> 00:04:36,711 to a preselected location 81 00:04:36,798 --> 00:04:40,802 and is there with her for maybe about four hours. 82 00:04:40,889 --> 00:04:42,151 - [Kathleen] After he committed 83 00:04:42,238 --> 00:04:44,806 the first abduction successfully 84 00:04:44,849 --> 00:04:46,982 and the police weren't on his tail, 85 00:04:47,069 --> 00:04:54,990 he felt like he could commit the second crime of the day. 86 00:04:55,077 --> 00:04:58,646 Denise Naslund, who was at the park with her boyfriend 87 00:04:58,733 --> 00:05:01,518 and some other friends, went to the restroom 88 00:05:01,605 --> 00:05:06,871 and she was never seen again. 89 00:05:06,915 --> 00:05:08,525 - [Robert Schug] So in broad daylight, 90 00:05:08,612 --> 00:05:11,398 in a very densely populated public park, 91 00:05:11,441 --> 00:05:15,576 Ted Bundy abducted two victims and killed them. 92 00:05:15,663 --> 00:05:18,318 This is very brazen, very risky behavior. 93 00:05:21,146 --> 00:05:23,714 That risk of being caught must have been so intense 94 00:05:23,801 --> 00:05:26,804 and that must have been something that he really craved. 95 00:05:26,891 --> 00:05:30,373 But it also might speak to his opinion of law enforcement. 96 00:05:30,460 --> 00:05:32,332 Well, they're never going to catch me. 97 00:05:32,419 --> 00:05:33,811 They haven't so far. 98 00:05:33,898 --> 00:05:35,509 I can do whatever I want. 99 00:05:35,596 --> 00:05:37,685 So it might reflect both the thrill seeking 100 00:05:37,772 --> 00:05:41,341 as well as his own grandiosity. 101 00:05:41,428 --> 00:05:42,733 - [John Sandefer] But with the disappearance 102 00:05:42,777 --> 00:05:44,692 of the Ott and the Naslund girls on the same day 103 00:05:44,735 --> 00:05:46,824 from the same state park, came the first indications 104 00:05:46,911 --> 00:05:50,045 that a male subject was involved. 105 00:05:50,132 --> 00:05:51,916 - [Robert Schug] leading up to Lake Sammamish, 106 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,354 Bundy has already abducted and killed five women 107 00:05:54,441 --> 00:05:56,051 from around Seattle 108 00:05:56,138 --> 00:06:00,403 and an additional woman from nearby Oregon. 109 00:06:00,490 --> 00:06:02,362 - [Kathleen] Lake Sammamish is outside 110 00:06:02,449 --> 00:06:03,798 the city limits of Seattle. 111 00:06:03,885 --> 00:06:05,582 So there was a task force set up between 112 00:06:05,669 --> 00:06:08,629 Seattle police and King County Police. 113 00:06:08,716 --> 00:06:11,893 That's when I became involved in the investigation. 114 00:06:11,980 --> 00:06:14,809 As a detective with the King County Police Department 115 00:06:14,896 --> 00:06:18,116 in Seattle, Washington and I was assigned 116 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,554 to investigate a series of homicides 117 00:06:20,641 --> 00:06:24,296 that had been occurring in Washington State. 118 00:06:24,340 --> 00:06:25,733 - [Mary O'Toole] That was a very innovative thing 119 00:06:25,820 --> 00:06:28,953 to bring together a group of law enforcement agencies 120 00:06:28,997 --> 00:06:31,260 to address the issue 121 00:06:31,347 --> 00:06:33,480 in an attempt to identify the offender. 122 00:06:33,523 --> 00:06:35,264 - They are going to start at the very beginning 123 00:06:35,307 --> 00:06:39,094 and go through every one of those ten suspects we've got. 124 00:06:39,181 --> 00:06:42,314 This is what we're doing right now with this task force. 125 00:06:42,402 --> 00:06:44,491 - [Kathleen] The name Ted came to our attention 126 00:06:44,578 --> 00:06:46,754 because one of the witnesses at the park 127 00:06:46,797 --> 00:06:50,192 overheard Ted introducing himself. 128 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,020 - They also knew then that 129 00:06:52,107 --> 00:06:56,633 Ted drove a light colored Volkswagen bug. 130 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:57,460 - [Rebecca Morris] Then the police had 131 00:06:57,504 --> 00:06:59,375 something to work with. 132 00:07:01,072 --> 00:07:03,292 - [Kathleen] We went to the public and said, 133 00:07:03,335 --> 00:07:04,946 we need your help; 134 00:07:04,989 --> 00:07:09,777 we need any photographs that you took at the park that day. 135 00:07:09,864 --> 00:07:12,823 Witnesses; did anybody see this young woman? 136 00:07:12,867 --> 00:07:16,044 The county police set up a hotline and we received 137 00:07:16,131 --> 00:07:19,482 over the next two weeks over 1,000 leads. 138 00:07:19,569 --> 00:07:22,267 - Thank you very much for calling. 139 00:07:22,354 --> 00:07:24,444 - [Kathleen] We did notify law enforcement 140 00:07:24,531 --> 00:07:26,402 throughout the western states 141 00:07:26,489 --> 00:07:29,492 that we were looking for someone named Ted, 142 00:07:29,579 --> 00:07:33,453 someone that drove a brown Volkswagen. 143 00:07:33,540 --> 00:07:37,805 - A composite picture was released to the news media. 144 00:07:37,892 --> 00:07:40,329 - [Rebecca Morris] It wasn't a great depiction of him, 145 00:07:40,416 --> 00:07:42,679 but it got the attention of a number of people, 146 00:07:42,766 --> 00:07:46,640 including Liz Kendall, his girlfriend. 147 00:07:46,727 --> 00:07:48,119 - [Safarik] Liz Kendall says, 148 00:07:48,206 --> 00:07:51,166 gosh, that sounds a lot like my boyfriend. 149 00:07:51,253 --> 00:07:53,908 And he's had some weird behavior in the past. 150 00:07:53,995 --> 00:07:56,258 I'm going to contact law enforcement. 151 00:07:56,345 --> 00:07:58,347 - [Rebecca Morris] The initial story 152 00:07:58,390 --> 00:08:00,349 in the paper after Lake Sammamish, 153 00:08:00,436 --> 00:08:05,006 was that he drove a bronze Volkswagen and her Ted didn't. 154 00:08:05,093 --> 00:08:08,618 Her Ted drove a very washed out, faded tan Volkswagen. 155 00:08:08,705 --> 00:08:10,359 So she called to check to see about 156 00:08:10,446 --> 00:08:12,056 the color of the Volkswagen. 157 00:08:12,100 --> 00:08:14,276 And whoever she talked to said, no, 158 00:08:14,363 --> 00:08:16,104 it's bronze. It's bronze. 159 00:08:16,191 --> 00:08:19,411 So that kind of pacified her for a while. 160 00:08:19,455 --> 00:08:23,894 She eventually called back two or three more times. 161 00:08:23,938 --> 00:08:26,723 - [Safarik] No response from law enforcement. 162 00:08:26,810 --> 00:08:29,770 Law enforcement doesn't believe that a guy like Bundy 163 00:08:29,857 --> 00:08:33,164 fits what they think is their profile of a killer. 164 00:08:33,251 --> 00:08:36,733 And they dismiss it. 165 00:08:36,820 --> 00:08:40,084 - [Khadija Monk] In the mid-70s, society, in their mind, 166 00:08:40,128 --> 00:08:44,045 had either this sort of Manson like idea of what 167 00:08:44,132 --> 00:08:50,094 a killer would look like or it would be a minority on drugs. 168 00:08:50,181 --> 00:08:51,487 But we weren't looking for 169 00:08:51,574 --> 00:08:54,359 people that were hiding in plain sight. 170 00:08:55,970 --> 00:08:58,233 - [Lindsey Wade] Ted Bundy was able to carry on 171 00:08:58,320 --> 00:08:59,713 a normal appearing life. 172 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:01,758 He had a girlfriend. 173 00:09:01,845 --> 00:09:06,371 - [John Brown] He was a shaggy haired college student. 174 00:09:06,458 --> 00:09:08,156 - [W. Ken Katsaris] Ted Bundy simply could 175 00:09:08,243 --> 00:09:10,637 walk the streets as a serial killer 176 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:15,337 and nobody would say, oh, that guy looks weird. 177 00:09:16,164 --> 00:09:20,168 He's the reason why young ladies would go to his car with him. 178 00:09:20,255 --> 00:09:23,954 He was smart, charismatic, good looking. 179 00:09:23,998 --> 00:09:30,657 He was totally invisible for what he was. 180 00:09:30,744 --> 00:09:32,920 - [John Sandefer] Since the publication of the description 181 00:09:32,963 --> 00:09:34,312 of the man called Ted, 182 00:09:34,356 --> 00:09:36,967 there have been no further disappearances from this area. 183 00:09:37,011 --> 00:09:41,189 John Sandefer for ABC News in Seattle. 184 00:09:42,016 --> 00:09:45,323 - [Mary O'Toole] Ted left Seattle in 1974 in the fall 185 00:09:45,410 --> 00:09:50,502 and he enrolled in law school in Salt Lake City. 186 00:09:50,590 --> 00:09:52,548 - [Lindsey Wade] Well, Ted Bundy definitely seemed 187 00:09:52,635 --> 00:09:54,158 to take an interest in paying attention 188 00:09:54,202 --> 00:09:57,945 to how police investigated crimes and intentionally 189 00:09:58,032 --> 00:10:01,601 committed crimes in different jurisdictions 190 00:10:01,688 --> 00:10:03,515 because he recognized that law enforcement 191 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,170 wouldn't necessarily be able to connect the dots 192 00:10:06,257 --> 00:10:11,001 or that they wouldn't be able to make the connections easily. 193 00:10:11,088 --> 00:10:14,004 - [Robert Schug] Bundy's tactic was moving around a lot. 194 00:10:14,091 --> 00:10:16,833 He'd just move states and kept law enforcement guessing 195 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:18,574 and he actually killed four more women 196 00:10:18,661 --> 00:10:20,445 by the end of that year. 197 00:10:20,532 --> 00:10:24,711 He felt unstoppable. 198 00:10:30,151 --> 00:10:32,022 - [Safarik] When you look at serial killers 199 00:10:32,109 --> 00:10:34,285 and this really goes to all five 200 00:10:34,372 --> 00:10:36,984 of the serial killers in this golden age, 201 00:10:37,419 --> 00:10:41,162 there's an aspect of them, their personality, 202 00:10:41,249 --> 00:10:46,167 that is consistent across all of them that makes them successful. 203 00:10:46,210 --> 00:10:50,258 They are psychopaths. 204 00:10:50,345 --> 00:10:53,174 They understand the difference between what is right 205 00:10:53,217 --> 00:10:57,004 and what is wrong, both morally and legally. 206 00:10:57,091 --> 00:11:00,007 They simply don't care. 207 00:11:00,050 --> 00:11:02,662 The problem is for law enforcement, 208 00:11:02,749 --> 00:11:07,405 when they engage in these horrifically brutal crimes, 209 00:11:07,449 --> 00:11:10,452 they can immediately come right back from that 210 00:11:10,539 --> 00:11:12,802 and act like a normal individual. 211 00:11:12,889 --> 00:11:16,545 And that makes it so difficult to catch them. 212 00:11:18,895 --> 00:11:21,550 - When Dennis Rader started in 1974, 213 00:11:21,637 --> 00:11:24,118 he killed five people right off the top. 214 00:11:24,858 --> 00:11:26,033 - [Khadija Monk] Following the Otero 215 00:11:26,076 --> 00:11:28,426 and the Bright murders in Wichita, Kansas, 216 00:11:28,513 --> 00:11:32,822 the police didn't really have any leads 217 00:11:32,909 --> 00:11:36,608 and they certainly weren't connecting these cases. 218 00:11:36,652 --> 00:11:39,873 - [Susan Peters] They had absolutely no suspects at all. 219 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:45,095 And then people started coming forward claiming responsibility. 220 00:11:45,139 --> 00:11:46,706 - [Tim Relph] It was in the paper that there 221 00:11:46,793 --> 00:11:48,925 had been an arrest in the Otero case. 222 00:11:49,012 --> 00:11:52,276 So, the killer at this time decided, 223 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,672 no, no, nobody's getting credit for what I did. 224 00:11:56,759 --> 00:11:57,934 [typewriter bell rings] 225 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,243 - [Larry Hatteberg] Rader had left a book in the library 226 00:12:02,286 --> 00:12:05,855 and inside that book was a letter. 227 00:12:05,942 --> 00:12:08,292 And it was a message to the police department 228 00:12:08,336 --> 00:12:10,773 and really the whole beginning of the messaging 229 00:12:10,817 --> 00:12:16,126 between the police department, the media and Dennis Rader. 230 00:12:16,213 --> 00:12:18,650 - [Tim Relph] In this letter, he goes into very, 231 00:12:18,738 --> 00:12:23,003 very specific detail about each one of the Otero victims. 232 00:12:23,090 --> 00:12:25,135 It is very clear in that letter 233 00:12:25,222 --> 00:12:29,313 that he had committed the Otero crime. 234 00:12:29,357 --> 00:12:31,751 The specifics of the letter weren't published, 235 00:12:31,838 --> 00:12:33,491 not at that time. 236 00:12:33,535 --> 00:12:35,711 - [Mary O'Toole] We had not really seen serial killers 237 00:12:35,798 --> 00:12:38,105 inject themselves into the investigation. 238 00:12:38,148 --> 00:12:39,933 We had not seen serial killers 239 00:12:40,020 --> 00:12:41,282 necessarily write letters, 240 00:12:41,369 --> 00:12:43,371 very provocative letters. 241 00:12:43,458 --> 00:12:45,547 And when you see that behavior, 242 00:12:45,634 --> 00:12:48,115 it does set that offender apart 243 00:12:48,158 --> 00:12:50,291 because those are the individuals 244 00:12:50,378 --> 00:12:52,859 that tend to be even more arrogant. 245 00:12:52,902 --> 00:12:55,557 Those are the individuals that are more grandiose. 246 00:12:55,644 --> 00:12:58,516 They don't think that they're going to get caught. 247 00:12:58,603 --> 00:13:01,041 - [Safarik] Dennis Rader is unique 248 00:13:01,084 --> 00:13:03,913 from the other four serial killers of this age 249 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:08,048 in that Dennis Rader, he wanted a moniker. 250 00:13:08,091 --> 00:13:11,486 - [Susan Peters] He wants to give himself a brand 251 00:13:11,573 --> 00:13:17,884 and he says, by the way, my name is BTK 252 00:13:17,971 --> 00:13:23,498 for bind, torture and kill. 253 00:13:23,585 --> 00:13:26,631 - [Larry Hatteberg] You don't look for a serial killer 254 00:13:26,675 --> 00:13:28,329 to be the guy next door. 255 00:13:28,372 --> 00:13:30,287 Nobody suspected that. 256 00:13:30,374 --> 00:13:33,900 We were looking for the wild guy, the crazy person. 257 00:13:33,987 --> 00:13:35,815 He didn't look like those things. 258 00:13:35,902 --> 00:13:37,686 He looked like a normal guy with a job, 259 00:13:37,773 --> 00:13:40,384 went to work eight to five every day. 260 00:13:40,471 --> 00:13:44,345 And to me, that is the most monstrous part of it, 261 00:13:44,432 --> 00:13:48,828 is that he was the guy next door. 262 00:13:48,915 --> 00:13:50,525 - [John Borowski] The ultimate serial killer 263 00:13:50,612 --> 00:13:52,919 is one that can hide in plain sight 264 00:13:52,962 --> 00:13:56,400 and that's evident in the cases of John Wayne Gacy, 265 00:13:56,487 --> 00:13:59,534 Gary Ridgway and Dennis Rader. 266 00:13:59,621 --> 00:14:02,754 They had a wife, they had children. 267 00:14:02,842 --> 00:14:05,061 They had work lives. 268 00:14:05,148 --> 00:14:07,455 - [Robert Schug] So in 1974, Ridgway is leading 269 00:14:07,542 --> 00:14:08,760 a double life, 270 00:14:08,804 --> 00:14:12,416 a dual existence where in one life he's married, 271 00:14:12,460 --> 00:14:16,899 has a steady job and is sort of blending into society. 272 00:14:16,943 --> 00:14:17,944 In the other life, 273 00:14:17,987 --> 00:14:19,902 he's basically addicted to prostitutes 274 00:14:19,989 --> 00:14:25,081 and spending a lot of time with sex workers. 275 00:14:25,168 --> 00:14:27,257 - [Patty Eakes] Ridgway worked for 30 plus years 276 00:14:27,344 --> 00:14:29,607 at the Kenworth plant in Seattle 277 00:14:29,694 --> 00:14:31,087 and he was a truck painter. 278 00:14:31,435 --> 00:14:32,828 He showed up to work every day, 279 00:14:32,915 --> 00:14:36,658 he had perfect attendance, by all accounts. 280 00:14:36,745 --> 00:14:38,921 - [Khadija Monk] Just like Ridgway in 1974, 281 00:14:39,008 --> 00:14:42,925 Dahmer hasn't killed yet either. 282 00:14:43,012 --> 00:14:45,145 He is a high school student. 283 00:14:45,188 --> 00:14:49,279 He's a class clown, but he also has these urges. 284 00:14:49,323 --> 00:14:54,328 So he goes into the back yard and he dissects animals. 285 00:14:54,415 --> 00:14:57,984 These are the secretive lives that they are living 286 00:14:58,071 --> 00:14:59,463 while at the same time 287 00:14:59,550 --> 00:15:01,813 appearing to be a high school student 288 00:15:01,901 --> 00:15:04,947 or a model employee. 289 00:15:04,991 --> 00:15:06,818 - [John Borowski] They we're using this ruse 290 00:15:06,906 --> 00:15:10,431 of having a normal life to seem normal. 291 00:15:10,474 --> 00:15:13,521 Gacy was the same way. 292 00:15:13,608 --> 00:15:16,916 Gacy knew what he was doing. 293 00:15:16,959 --> 00:15:19,831 He built, carefully, an entire life 294 00:15:19,919 --> 00:15:22,791 to live a facade, a duality 295 00:15:27,317 --> 00:15:29,145 where he could be seen, 296 00:15:29,232 --> 00:15:31,582 at least on outward appearances, 297 00:15:31,669 --> 00:15:37,110 as a heterosexual father, husband, owner of a business. 298 00:15:39,547 --> 00:15:41,114 - In his neighborhood, he was a big shot 299 00:15:41,201 --> 00:15:43,594 and very popular because he threw all these parties. 300 00:15:43,681 --> 00:15:45,683 Like, every summer, he'd throw this giant yard party 301 00:15:45,727 --> 00:15:49,296 and he'd cook for everybody, hundreds of people. 302 00:15:49,949 --> 00:15:51,167 - They all thought he was great. 303 00:15:51,254 --> 00:15:54,257 They thought he was a great guy. 304 00:15:54,344 --> 00:15:55,998 - [John Borowski] After Gacy's first victim, 305 00:15:56,085 --> 00:15:57,739 he doesn't kill again 306 00:15:57,826 --> 00:16:01,612 until 1975, three years later. 307 00:16:03,701 --> 00:16:07,444 Gacy's business was operating full time. 308 00:16:07,531 --> 00:16:10,970 Gacy would hire young men from the Chicago community 309 00:16:11,013 --> 00:16:13,320 or outlying suburbs to work with him 310 00:16:13,407 --> 00:16:18,847 on these contractor jobs for his company. 311 00:16:18,934 --> 00:16:24,374 By hiring these young teenagers, Gacy is saving money, 312 00:16:24,418 --> 00:16:27,160 he's seen in the community as helping out youth 313 00:16:27,247 --> 00:16:29,336 and giving back to the community, 314 00:16:29,423 --> 00:16:33,122 but he's also searching for victims. 315 00:16:37,953 --> 00:16:40,173 - [Robert Schug] John Butkovich was hired by Gacy 316 00:16:40,216 --> 00:16:41,870 when he was 18 years old 317 00:16:41,913 --> 00:16:44,046 and he met him in a hardware store. 318 00:16:44,133 --> 00:16:47,528 - On the night that he disappeared or was last seen, 319 00:16:47,615 --> 00:16:53,925 Butkovich had come to Gacy's house. 320 00:16:54,013 --> 00:16:56,928 - Gacy wound up owing Butkovich money. 321 00:16:56,972 --> 00:17:00,671 He didn't pay him for two weeks' worth of work. 322 00:17:00,758 --> 00:17:04,066 - [William Kunkle] Butkovich was very belligerent with Gacy, 323 00:17:04,110 --> 00:17:06,764 wanting his money and threatening him and, 324 00:17:06,851 --> 00:17:10,029 you know, shoving and pushing. 325 00:17:13,206 --> 00:17:18,950 And that's where he gets the cuffs on him 326 00:17:18,994 --> 00:17:24,913 and used his garret and strangled him to death 327 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,785 and buried him under the addition to the garage 328 00:17:27,872 --> 00:17:30,223 in the back. 329 00:17:30,310 --> 00:17:31,441 [Phone ringing] 330 00:17:31,528 --> 00:17:33,530 - Missing persons, Leo, can I help you? 331 00:17:33,617 --> 00:17:35,271 - [John Borowski] Butkovich's parents not only 332 00:17:35,358 --> 00:17:37,143 went to the police station, 333 00:17:37,186 --> 00:17:40,189 but they would call them numerous times daily 334 00:17:40,276 --> 00:17:44,672 and the police just really wouldn't respond to it. 335 00:17:44,759 --> 00:17:47,153 The Chicago police told Butkovich's parents 336 00:17:47,196 --> 00:17:49,938 that it's not likely that a successful businessman 337 00:17:49,981 --> 00:17:53,115 would be a suspect in the case. 338 00:17:53,202 --> 00:17:56,075 Missing persons are considered runaways, 339 00:17:56,118 --> 00:17:58,903 most likely, especially teenagers. 340 00:17:58,990 --> 00:18:00,818 And in the 70s, you're talking about a time period 341 00:18:00,862 --> 00:18:04,257 where kids would hitchhike and disappear for days 342 00:18:04,300 --> 00:18:06,824 and then they would wind up coming back home 343 00:18:06,911 --> 00:18:09,000 or showing up somewhere else. 344 00:18:09,044 --> 00:18:10,741 Without the proper evidence, there is no proof 345 00:18:10,828 --> 00:18:15,094 that there was any foul play or anything underhanded 346 00:18:15,181 --> 00:18:16,878 going on with these kids. 347 00:18:16,965 --> 00:18:18,358 They were just missing. 348 00:18:18,401 --> 00:18:19,446 - [Safarik] You have to understand, at the time, 349 00:18:19,533 --> 00:18:21,448 Gacy was an upstanding community member. 350 00:18:21,535 --> 00:18:23,319 He was a guy that entertained children 351 00:18:23,406 --> 00:18:27,367 at parties as Pogo the clown. 352 00:18:27,410 --> 00:18:30,326 - He claimed he had big connections in Chicago politics, 353 00:18:30,370 --> 00:18:33,286 that he was a precinct captain, 354 00:18:33,373 --> 00:18:36,289 you know, he put a picture on the wall in his office 355 00:18:36,376 --> 00:18:37,855 of him and Roslyn Carter. 356 00:18:37,899 --> 00:18:39,857 - [Safarik] So the police knew him. 357 00:18:39,901 --> 00:18:41,642 He was well-liked, well-known in the community. 358 00:18:41,729 --> 00:18:44,253 He's quite an articulate individual. 359 00:18:44,340 --> 00:18:49,432 Again, as a psychopath, he can, like, manipulate the situation. 360 00:18:52,305 --> 00:18:55,264 - Gacy's marriage to Carol Hoff, his second wife, 361 00:18:55,351 --> 00:18:58,615 slowly went downhill after their marriage. 362 00:18:58,702 --> 00:19:03,490 On March 2nd, 1976, Carol Hoff files for divorce. 363 00:19:03,577 --> 00:19:06,014 Once Gacy's wife leaves the house, 364 00:19:06,101 --> 00:19:09,496 he has the entire property to himself 365 00:19:09,539 --> 00:19:11,237 where he would invite his victims, 366 00:19:11,324 --> 00:19:14,457 where he tortured them, rapes and strangled them 367 00:19:14,544 --> 00:19:17,286 and then buried them in his crawlspace beneath this house. 368 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:24,511 - [Khadija Monk] After Lake Sammamish, 369 00:19:24,554 --> 00:19:26,165 Bundy doesn't slow down, 370 00:19:26,208 --> 00:19:28,341 as a matter of fact, he accelerates 371 00:19:28,428 --> 00:19:31,953 and he begins to attack women in 372 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:38,002 Utah, Colorado and Idaho. 373 00:19:38,089 --> 00:19:41,049 - [John Brown] Bundy was going to law school in Utah, 374 00:19:41,136 --> 00:19:43,138 but he would just go to Colorado 375 00:19:43,225 --> 00:19:48,099 for like a day or half a day or two days. 376 00:19:48,187 --> 00:19:51,712 He was just trolling. 377 00:19:51,799 --> 00:19:53,409 - [Safarik] In 1975, law enforcement 378 00:19:53,496 --> 00:19:56,934 gets a huge break with Bundy. 379 00:19:56,978 --> 00:19:58,936 - [John Brown] A Utah highway patrol officer 380 00:19:58,980 --> 00:20:01,200 was going home to his house 381 00:20:01,287 --> 00:20:06,466 and saw a suspicious car in his neighborhood. 382 00:20:06,509 --> 00:20:08,598 - [Kathleen] It was in the middle of the night. 383 00:20:08,642 --> 00:20:11,775 Bundy's car was parked by the side of the road 384 00:20:11,862 --> 00:20:14,952 with the lights out. 385 00:20:14,996 --> 00:20:17,912 The trooper flashed his lights onto the car 386 00:20:17,955 --> 00:20:24,919 and Ted started to take off, but ultimately did pull over. 387 00:20:25,006 --> 00:20:27,226 - [Safarik] In his Volkswagens trunk, 388 00:20:27,269 --> 00:20:30,185 there were handcuffs, an icepick, 389 00:20:30,272 --> 00:20:33,841 pantyhose with holes in them, duct tape, 390 00:20:33,928 --> 00:20:38,802 license plates from Colorado, gas receipts from Colorado. 391 00:20:38,846 --> 00:20:41,327 - [Kathleen] Also the seat was out in the vehicle too, 392 00:20:41,414 --> 00:20:44,286 which makes it a little easier to conceal someone. 393 00:20:44,373 --> 00:20:49,770 Those kinds of things tell you that he wasn't out for a picnic. 394 00:20:51,641 --> 00:20:53,904 Ted was arrested and he was charged with 395 00:20:53,991 --> 00:20:57,995 evading the officer from when he took off. 396 00:20:58,082 --> 00:21:01,564 - [Safarik] So that is a pivotal moment for law enforcement 397 00:21:01,651 --> 00:21:04,915 when they really get their first big break 398 00:21:05,002 --> 00:21:10,312 in who he is with his car and the murder kit 399 00:21:10,356 --> 00:21:15,361 and this is what started law enforcement to focus on Bundy. 400 00:21:15,404 --> 00:21:17,711 - [John Brown] The find by Officer Haywood of the things 401 00:21:17,754 --> 00:21:23,282 in Ted's car would make any police officer suspicious. 402 00:21:23,369 --> 00:21:25,458 - [Khadija Monk] No one knows that he's 403 00:21:25,501 --> 00:21:28,199 the Ted that everyone's looking for 404 00:21:28,243 --> 00:21:29,897 but it's common practice for law enforcement 405 00:21:29,984 --> 00:21:32,856 to look at unsolved crimes in their area 406 00:21:32,900 --> 00:21:35,337 when they pick up a suspect with crime tools. 407 00:21:35,424 --> 00:21:36,991 That's when they discovered the connection 408 00:21:37,078 --> 00:21:39,298 to the abduction of Carol DaRonch. 409 00:21:46,435 --> 00:21:49,133 - [Rebecca Morris] Carol DaRonch was 18 years old, 410 00:21:49,220 --> 00:21:50,918 beautiful girl. 411 00:21:51,005 --> 00:21:56,184 She'd gone into the mall and this man approached her. 412 00:21:57,446 --> 00:21:59,753 - [Kathleen] Ted Bundy told her he was a police officer 413 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,451 and showed her some sort of badge 414 00:22:02,538 --> 00:22:05,498 and said that your car in the parking lot, 415 00:22:05,585 --> 00:22:07,891 I think it's been hit by someone. 416 00:22:07,935 --> 00:22:11,068 And then he told her she had to go to the police station 417 00:22:11,155 --> 00:22:13,549 with him to sort it all out. 418 00:22:13,636 --> 00:22:17,074 And she got into his car with him, 419 00:22:17,118 --> 00:22:21,252 realizing at that moment it was a huge mistake. 420 00:22:21,296 --> 00:22:24,168 But when he pulled over to put handcuffs on her, 421 00:22:24,212 --> 00:22:27,737 she managed to escape. 422 00:22:27,781 --> 00:22:29,391 - [Safarik] She escaped and was able to provide 423 00:22:29,478 --> 00:22:32,089 a description of both the car and Bundy. 424 00:22:32,133 --> 00:22:34,222 It was a really big break for law enforcement. 425 00:22:38,182 --> 00:22:40,228 - [Rebecca Morris] They put Ted in a lineup 426 00:22:40,315 --> 00:22:42,883 and she picked him right out. 427 00:22:42,970 --> 00:22:44,928 She said that's him, that's the person 428 00:22:45,015 --> 00:22:47,931 that handcuffed me in the car. 429 00:22:47,975 --> 00:22:49,672 - [John Brown] They arrested Ted Bundy 430 00:22:49,759 --> 00:22:57,288 for the Carol DaRonch incident in October of 1975. 431 00:22:57,332 --> 00:23:00,814 After Ted was released on bail, he returned to Seattle. 432 00:23:00,901 --> 00:23:03,077 That's when I first met him. 433 00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:05,384 I was assigned his case originally 434 00:23:05,471 --> 00:23:09,213 by the King County Office of Public Defense. 435 00:23:09,300 --> 00:23:12,042 I was his attorney and his adviser 436 00:23:12,129 --> 00:23:15,959 kind of on and off for six or seven years. 437 00:23:16,046 --> 00:23:18,092 I think the first thing he ever said to me was, 438 00:23:18,179 --> 00:23:21,443 oh, there's this silly little matter in Utah, 439 00:23:21,487 --> 00:23:23,532 that's exact quote, I'll never forget it. 440 00:23:23,619 --> 00:23:24,794 And I went, "ah, 441 00:23:24,881 --> 00:23:28,581 it's a little more serious than that, Mr. Bundy." 442 00:23:28,624 --> 00:23:30,365 - [Kathleen] After Ted was arrested 443 00:23:30,452 --> 00:23:32,976 in the Carol DaRonch case, 444 00:23:33,020 --> 00:23:35,675 the media began putting two and two together, 445 00:23:35,718 --> 00:23:38,242 in fact, that Ted had been in Washington State, 446 00:23:38,329 --> 00:23:40,114 girls had gone missing. 447 00:23:40,201 --> 00:23:44,292 He left and then girls were abducted in Utah. 448 00:23:44,379 --> 00:23:47,077 - [John Brown] Then there was the headline in Seattle papers, 449 00:23:47,164 --> 00:23:51,168 Is Utah Ted, Seattle Ted? 450 00:23:51,212 --> 00:23:53,040 - [Safarik] Because investigators were focusing 451 00:23:53,127 --> 00:23:57,044 on Bundy now and his VW bug, 452 00:23:57,131 --> 00:24:02,179 that VW bug was immediately seized and taken by the FBI 453 00:24:02,223 --> 00:24:06,270 and dismantled at the laboratory piece by piece, 454 00:24:06,314 --> 00:24:07,794 looking for evidence. 455 00:24:07,881 --> 00:24:10,274 One of the pieces of evidence they found in the car 456 00:24:10,361 --> 00:24:13,408 was actually a head hair. 457 00:24:13,495 --> 00:24:14,801 - [John Brown] Back then, 458 00:24:14,844 --> 00:24:16,367 there wasn't a lot of technology for law enforcement, 459 00:24:16,411 --> 00:24:20,284 but there was technology for hairs and fibers. 460 00:24:20,371 --> 00:24:22,330 - [Robert Schug] Police were able to match the hair 461 00:24:22,417 --> 00:24:24,332 in Bundy's car to Caryn Campbell, 462 00:24:24,375 --> 00:24:25,899 who had been murdered in Colorado 463 00:24:25,986 --> 00:24:28,467 nine months before Bundy was arrested. 464 00:24:31,295 --> 00:24:33,733 - No one knew what had happened to her. 465 00:24:33,994 --> 00:24:35,865 - On January 12, 1975, 466 00:24:35,952 --> 00:24:38,999 Caryn Campbell disappeared from the Wildwood Inn. 467 00:24:39,086 --> 00:24:41,871 On February the 17th, 36 days later, 468 00:24:41,915 --> 00:24:45,701 her nude body was found almost three miles away. 469 00:24:45,788 --> 00:24:47,268 - [Rebecca Morris] Now that was a crime 470 00:24:47,355 --> 00:24:50,271 he hadn't even been suspected of. 471 00:24:50,358 --> 00:24:54,841 - So now Colorado started investigating him. 472 00:24:54,928 --> 00:24:57,583 - [Rebecca Morris] Law enforcement had his gas receipts 473 00:24:57,626 --> 00:25:01,108 and they started tracing where Ted had traveled 474 00:25:01,195 --> 00:25:03,371 and where he'd bought gasoline, 475 00:25:03,458 --> 00:25:05,199 usually with a credit card. 476 00:25:05,286 --> 00:25:09,638 And he'd been at this resort in Colorado. 477 00:25:09,725 --> 00:25:13,076 - [Kathleen] We never doubted that the clues were there. 478 00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:16,863 It was a matter of us gathering the evidence, 479 00:25:16,906 --> 00:25:18,995 getting the information. 480 00:25:19,082 --> 00:25:21,084 - All of the things started fitting together 481 00:25:21,128 --> 00:25:25,524 and we began investigating Ted 24 hours a day. 482 00:25:32,487 --> 00:25:34,402 - Once authorities catch Bundy 483 00:25:34,489 --> 00:25:37,187 and connect him to Carol DaRonch, 484 00:25:37,274 --> 00:25:42,453 then they connect him to Caryn Campbell in Colorado. 485 00:25:42,497 --> 00:25:44,412 - [Kathleen] When it became clear 486 00:25:44,499 --> 00:25:47,328 that Ted was such a mobile guy 487 00:25:47,415 --> 00:25:49,548 and had been traveling throughout 488 00:25:49,635 --> 00:25:52,202 the west and the northwest in his bug, 489 00:25:52,289 --> 00:25:55,118 the different detectives from the different agencies 490 00:25:55,205 --> 00:25:59,209 met and shared all the information that they had. 491 00:26:00,863 --> 00:26:04,563 - [Safarik] The Aspen summit was really critical; 492 00:26:04,650 --> 00:26:08,131 30 investigators from five different states. 493 00:26:08,175 --> 00:26:11,700 This was really unheard of in law enforcement. 494 00:26:11,787 --> 00:26:15,138 I think they strongly believed that Bundy was responsible 495 00:26:15,225 --> 00:26:18,664 for a lot of these homicides and disappearances. 496 00:26:18,707 --> 00:26:21,928 But more importantly, where is the evidence? 497 00:26:22,015 --> 00:26:25,148 We need to start building a case with evidence, 498 00:26:25,192 --> 00:26:28,804 which is what they really didn't have at the time. 499 00:26:28,891 --> 00:26:30,327 - [Kathleen] Utah authorities 500 00:26:30,414 --> 00:26:32,373 were also looking at other cases 501 00:26:32,460 --> 00:26:36,290 that they believed perhaps Ted had been responsible for. 502 00:26:36,377 --> 00:26:38,031 We developed information on our own. 503 00:26:38,118 --> 00:26:40,599 We shared that information with Salt Lake 504 00:26:40,686 --> 00:26:45,604 and law enforcement authorities in Colorado as well. 505 00:27:03,404 --> 00:27:04,666 - The question was, 506 00:27:04,753 --> 00:27:06,842 I think for a lot of the investigators, 507 00:27:06,929 --> 00:27:09,628 was is Ted Bundy our offender? 508 00:27:09,715 --> 00:27:15,068 But more importantly, how do we catch Bundy for murder? 509 00:27:15,111 --> 00:27:18,637 That was, I think, the importance of the Aspen summit. 510 00:27:28,908 --> 00:27:30,518 - [Kathleen] In Seattle, we were watching very closely 511 00:27:30,605 --> 00:27:35,523 when Ted was charged with the Carol DaRonch abduction 512 00:27:35,566 --> 00:27:40,180 and the subsequent trial and his conviction. 513 00:27:41,964 --> 00:27:43,400 - [John Brown] Ted thought he could charm anybody. 514 00:27:43,444 --> 00:27:49,580 He had a classic sociopath's ability to avoid reality. 515 00:27:49,624 --> 00:27:51,495 And so, you know, I think he actually thought 516 00:27:51,582 --> 00:27:57,153 he'd be found not guilty by Judge Hanson, which was ubsurd. 517 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,243 - On March 1st, 1976, 3RD District Judge Stewart Hanson Jr 518 00:28:00,287 --> 00:28:04,030 found Bundy guilty of second degree kidnapping. 519 00:28:04,117 --> 00:28:06,336 He was given a one to 15 year sentence 520 00:28:06,423 --> 00:28:07,598 at the Utah State Prison. 521 00:28:07,686 --> 00:28:09,339 - That was a big story 522 00:28:09,426 --> 00:28:12,255 when he was finally convicted of something 523 00:28:12,299 --> 00:28:15,041 and he went to Utah prison. 524 00:28:15,128 --> 00:28:16,825 - [John Brown] I visited him at the Utah State Penitentiary, 525 00:28:16,912 --> 00:28:19,262 but he thought, well, I'll be out of here in like nine months. 526 00:28:19,306 --> 00:28:23,702 I said, no Ted, Colorado is this hot on your trail 527 00:28:23,745 --> 00:28:29,055 and so is Washington. 528 00:28:41,197 --> 00:28:42,459 [slate clicks] 529 00:28:43,852 --> 00:28:45,158 - [Eugenia Godzik] My brother was six years younger than me. 530 00:28:45,245 --> 00:28:49,815 He was very interested in cars and he was 531 00:28:49,902 --> 00:28:52,992 a very, very big hockey player. 532 00:28:53,079 --> 00:28:55,298 And I remember we were sitting at dinner, 533 00:28:55,342 --> 00:28:59,259 he had taken the job and started working for Gacy 534 00:28:59,302 --> 00:29:03,437 and he says, oh, Mom, me and this boy are working together 535 00:29:03,524 --> 00:29:08,268 and we're digging around Gacy's house. 536 00:29:08,355 --> 00:29:13,447 Well, it ended up they were digging their own graves. 537 00:29:14,056 --> 00:29:18,931 ♪ 538 00:29:24,197 --> 00:29:26,199 We always had a tradition; 539 00:29:26,242 --> 00:29:29,332 we used to put the tree up the day after Thanksgiving, 540 00:29:29,419 --> 00:29:33,510 so that Friday we were decorating the tree, 541 00:29:33,554 --> 00:29:37,950 we got the gifts and we would put them under the tree. 542 00:29:40,735 --> 00:29:46,045 Gregory, he got this job with Gacy for $5 an hour. 543 00:29:46,088 --> 00:29:49,962 Oh, he was just as you know, like on cloud nine 544 00:29:50,005 --> 00:29:54,357 because he's making all this money. 545 00:29:54,401 --> 00:29:57,143 He's thinking oh, life is good, possibly that 546 00:29:57,230 --> 00:30:02,322 he was going to go to college because he was a senior. 547 00:30:02,713 --> 00:30:07,675 ♪ 548 00:30:10,069 --> 00:30:11,374 - [John Borowski] On December 11th, 549 00:30:11,418 --> 00:30:14,029 Gregory Godzik went out to dinner with his girlfriend 550 00:30:14,073 --> 00:30:17,424 and supposedly he was going to Gacy's place 551 00:30:17,511 --> 00:30:18,991 to pick up his paycheck. 552 00:30:23,386 --> 00:30:25,519 - [Eugenia Godzik] The next morning when I woke up, 553 00:30:25,606 --> 00:30:28,391 my mother said, did you see your brother last night? 554 00:30:28,478 --> 00:30:30,045 Your brother didn't come home 555 00:30:30,132 --> 00:30:32,178 and I said, I have no idea. 556 00:30:34,615 --> 00:30:37,836 And I remember my mom saying we have to call his friends 557 00:30:37,923 --> 00:30:40,751 and we called, we talked to everybody 558 00:30:40,795 --> 00:30:46,540 and they're like, nope, nope, haven't seen him. 559 00:30:46,627 --> 00:30:49,848 That Monday is when my mom called the police, 560 00:30:49,935 --> 00:30:52,720 filled out whatever she needed to do. 561 00:30:52,807 --> 00:30:55,723 They said, well, we'll do what we can, 562 00:30:55,810 --> 00:30:57,246 but their answer always was, 563 00:30:57,333 --> 00:30:59,031 you know, you know how kids are. 564 00:30:59,118 --> 00:31:04,384 He'll probably be back. Don't worry. 565 00:31:07,648 --> 00:31:09,215 My mother, you know, did everything 566 00:31:09,302 --> 00:31:13,915 she possibly could to find her son. 567 00:31:14,002 --> 00:31:17,310 - I can't help it, I cry all the time. 568 00:31:17,397 --> 00:31:21,096 - My mother kept saying, is anybody doing their job? 569 00:31:21,140 --> 00:31:25,231 You know, nobody seems to be doing their job. 570 00:31:25,318 --> 00:31:27,798 You really think that this isn't real. 571 00:31:27,842 --> 00:31:30,801 You cannot believe that it's happening to you. 572 00:31:30,889 --> 00:31:32,412 You keep thinking, well, maybe, 573 00:31:32,499 --> 00:31:36,024 well just maybe he might come back. 574 00:31:41,203 --> 00:31:46,252 [sirens] 575 00:31:49,037 --> 00:31:50,647 - [William Kunkle] When Greg Godzik disappeared 576 00:31:50,691 --> 00:31:54,086 like the others, there was a police report on it 577 00:31:54,129 --> 00:31:55,914 and that someone went to Gacy 578 00:31:55,957 --> 00:31:57,828 and talked to them and as usual, 579 00:31:57,872 --> 00:32:01,658 he simply denied it and said, yeah, he worked for me. 580 00:32:01,745 --> 00:32:03,443 I know the kid. He was a good worker. 581 00:32:04,444 --> 00:32:06,054 I don't know what happened to him. 582 00:32:06,141 --> 00:32:07,621 He wasn't here. 583 00:32:09,275 --> 00:32:10,841 - [John Borowski] Since Gacy was one of 584 00:32:10,885 --> 00:32:13,105 the last people to see Gregory Godzik alive, 585 00:32:13,192 --> 00:32:15,107 one would think that the authorities 586 00:32:15,194 --> 00:32:17,413 would look into Gacy's background 587 00:32:17,500 --> 00:32:23,506 and find his record of sodomy, but they never did. 588 00:32:23,593 --> 00:32:25,117 Without a body, you don't have a murder, 589 00:32:25,204 --> 00:32:27,119 you got missing persons, runaway kids, 590 00:32:27,206 --> 00:32:29,469 none of that's a crime. 591 00:32:30,078 --> 00:32:31,384 - [Kori Rumore] There are a few reasons 592 00:32:31,427 --> 00:32:35,431 why police were unable to connect Gacy to these crimes. 593 00:32:35,518 --> 00:32:38,347 One, you have to remember that in the 1970s, 594 00:32:38,391 --> 00:32:41,698 runaway culture was rampant. 595 00:32:41,742 --> 00:32:46,529 Second, computers were not used in policing at this time. 596 00:32:46,573 --> 00:32:50,055 And thirdly, police districts do not speak to each other 597 00:32:50,142 --> 00:32:51,882 and do not share information. 598 00:32:51,926 --> 00:32:55,408 So John Butkovich lived on the north side of the city. 599 00:32:55,451 --> 00:32:58,193 Gregory Godzik lived on the northwest side of the city. 600 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,109 But neither of those districts would have shared information 601 00:33:01,196 --> 00:33:04,721 about the two young men's disappearances. 602 00:33:04,765 --> 00:33:07,289 - [Greg Bedoe] There just wasn't any communication. 603 00:33:07,376 --> 00:33:09,639 In those days, there was no way to connect the dots. 604 00:33:11,772 --> 00:33:12,555 - [Safarik] Gacy thought he's 605 00:33:12,642 --> 00:33:14,253 smarter than everybody else. 606 00:33:14,775 --> 00:33:18,170 He's smarter than the cops, smarter than the detectives, 607 00:33:18,213 --> 00:33:19,693 Gacy really epitomized 608 00:33:19,780 --> 00:33:22,565 the completely organized serial killer, 609 00:33:22,652 --> 00:33:24,698 but so did Dennis Rader. 610 00:33:28,441 --> 00:33:30,225 - [Kevin O'Connor] Dennis Rader had a BTK side 611 00:33:30,312 --> 00:33:33,837 and he added Dennis Rader, the family man side. 612 00:33:34,795 --> 00:33:36,362 But he will describe to us later in interviews 613 00:33:36,449 --> 00:33:40,018 that he much preferred the BTK side. 614 00:33:40,105 --> 00:33:41,758 That's where he really wanted to be 615 00:33:41,845 --> 00:33:44,848 and his family just got in the way. 616 00:33:44,935 --> 00:33:46,328 - [Susan Peters] A couple of years after the 617 00:33:46,415 --> 00:33:49,375 Otero's and Kathryn Bright were murdered, 618 00:33:49,462 --> 00:33:51,725 his first son was born. 619 00:33:51,768 --> 00:33:55,207 So we took a break from the murders. 620 00:33:58,210 --> 00:34:00,125 - [Tim Relph] When a criminal goes dormant, 621 00:34:00,168 --> 00:34:03,867 you start to wonder, has he left the area, is he dead? 622 00:34:03,954 --> 00:34:05,434 When somebody goes dormant, it's not like, 623 00:34:05,521 --> 00:34:07,958 okay, great, we can really work on the case now. 624 00:34:08,046 --> 00:34:09,786 There's a reason they go dormant 625 00:34:09,873 --> 00:34:11,962 and some of them aren't always criminal. 626 00:34:12,050 --> 00:34:14,226 It certainly wasn't that way with Dennis Rader. 627 00:34:14,313 --> 00:34:15,444 Dennis Rader went dormant because 628 00:34:15,531 --> 00:34:17,577 he had family obligations. 629 00:34:17,664 --> 00:34:19,013 - [Robert Schug] While this, on the outside 630 00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:21,146 appears as a period of inactivity, 631 00:34:21,233 --> 00:34:22,712 even though he's not killing, 632 00:34:22,799 --> 00:34:24,149 he still may be stalking, 633 00:34:24,192 --> 00:34:26,629 fantasizing about the murder, reenacting the fantasy, 634 00:34:26,673 --> 00:34:30,590 reenacting the events, allowing the fantasy to continue 635 00:34:30,677 --> 00:34:34,942 and to strengthen to the point where he has to act on it. 636 00:34:36,683 --> 00:34:38,989 - Dennis was driving his wife to an appointment 637 00:34:39,077 --> 00:34:42,384 when he had seen Nancy getting her mail. 638 00:34:49,087 --> 00:34:50,523 - [Safarik] Rader was very careful 639 00:34:50,566 --> 00:34:54,309 about planning out his attacks and selecting his victims 640 00:34:54,353 --> 00:34:58,226 or as he called them, projects very carefully. 641 00:35:15,678 --> 00:35:20,161 - Nancy Fox was a sweet daughter of a local family. 642 00:35:20,248 --> 00:35:23,382 - [Larry Hatteberg] He saw her just, you know, out and about. 643 00:35:23,425 --> 00:35:26,559 None of these murders are linked together with anything. 644 00:35:26,646 --> 00:35:30,128 They're just, oh, I like her, she's next. 645 00:35:30,215 --> 00:35:32,521 That was the hard part for the police. 646 00:35:32,608 --> 00:35:35,002 That's the scary part for the public. 647 00:35:45,099 --> 00:35:46,144 - [Kevin O'Connor] He cut her phone lines 648 00:35:46,231 --> 00:35:47,449 in the back of the house. 649 00:35:47,536 --> 00:35:49,886 He broke in through a bedroom window 650 00:35:49,930 --> 00:35:56,328 and waited for her until she gets back from work. 651 00:35:57,677 --> 00:35:59,505 One of the first things that Nancy Fox did 652 00:35:59,592 --> 00:36:01,724 when she discovered him in her home 653 00:36:01,768 --> 00:36:05,859 is she went to her phone and the line was dead. 654 00:36:12,779 --> 00:36:14,737 In the 70s, it would be very significant 655 00:36:14,781 --> 00:36:16,478 if you cut someone's phone line 656 00:36:16,565 --> 00:36:21,309 and he'll even talk about how it would be different nowadays 657 00:36:21,396 --> 00:36:24,182 because he couldn't stop somebody's cell phone. 658 00:36:28,664 --> 00:36:30,971 - [Susan Peters] Dennis Rader didn't think anyone 659 00:36:31,058 --> 00:36:36,194 apparently was going to know about this murder, 660 00:36:36,281 --> 00:36:40,067 so he goes to a pay phone, calls the police station. 661 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,600 - [Tim Relph] It's a pretty brief call 662 00:36:51,644 --> 00:36:53,907 and it wasn't put out initially right away. 663 00:36:53,994 --> 00:36:55,996 They had a lot of people look into it, 664 00:36:56,083 --> 00:36:57,693 you know, linguistics people. 665 00:36:57,780 --> 00:37:00,000 - [Robert Schug] Dennis Rader making a phone call 666 00:37:00,087 --> 00:37:02,220 very close to his crime scene 667 00:37:02,307 --> 00:37:07,137 may reflect an intensification of that rush 668 00:37:07,181 --> 00:37:10,315 associated with committing a crime and not being caught. 669 00:37:10,358 --> 00:37:12,404 And now, he just needs to take it up a notch 670 00:37:12,491 --> 00:37:15,668 and make it an even riskier behavior. 671 00:37:15,755 --> 00:37:18,018 So that might add to the thrill. 672 00:37:18,105 --> 00:37:19,976 And it's also, I think, conversely, interesting 673 00:37:20,063 --> 00:37:23,458 that we see the same relationship in many cases 674 00:37:23,502 --> 00:37:26,809 between these serial killers and their victim. 675 00:37:26,853 --> 00:37:29,421 On one hand, they play the role of the mouse 676 00:37:29,508 --> 00:37:32,119 relative to the police, which is the cat, 677 00:37:32,206 --> 00:37:33,816 but in their own world, in killing, 678 00:37:33,903 --> 00:37:36,950 they are now the cat and the victims are the mice. 679 00:37:43,957 --> 00:37:47,134 [ominous music] 680 00:37:49,397 --> 00:37:50,659 - [Rebecca Morris] Ted was convicted 681 00:37:50,746 --> 00:37:52,705 for the Carol DaRonch abduction, 682 00:37:52,748 --> 00:37:57,362 so he was sentenced to spend up to 15 years in prison. 683 00:37:57,405 --> 00:37:59,886 - [John Brown] Ted was in the Utah State Prison 684 00:37:59,973 --> 00:38:04,847 and he was charged in Colorado 685 00:38:04,934 --> 00:38:06,501 about nine months after his conviction 686 00:38:06,588 --> 00:38:08,503 in the DaRonch matter. 687 00:38:08,547 --> 00:38:09,809 - Bundy is accused of murdering 688 00:38:09,896 --> 00:38:11,941 Caryn Campbell of Dearborn, Michigan. 689 00:38:12,028 --> 00:38:14,509 She was vacationing in Aspen at the time of her death 690 00:38:14,553 --> 00:38:17,382 in January of 1974. 691 00:38:17,469 --> 00:38:19,558 - [Rebecca Morris] Law enforcement in Colorado 692 00:38:19,645 --> 00:38:21,473 determined they had enough to charge him 693 00:38:21,516 --> 00:38:23,518 with the murder of Caryn Campbell. 694 00:38:23,605 --> 00:38:29,872 So he was moved to a jail in Colorado. 695 00:38:29,959 --> 00:38:31,570 - [John Brown] The jail in Aspen 696 00:38:31,657 --> 00:38:34,094 is the Pitkin County Courthouse. 697 00:38:34,181 --> 00:38:35,704 So Ted was representing himself, 698 00:38:35,791 --> 00:38:38,577 along with the public defenders and the authorities in Aspen 699 00:38:38,620 --> 00:38:41,884 who were really nice about enforcement people let him use 700 00:38:41,928 --> 00:38:45,018 the law library and basically unshackled him 701 00:38:45,061 --> 00:38:46,411 from time to time. 702 00:38:46,498 --> 00:38:52,330 And he jumped out of the window one day. 703 00:38:55,463 --> 00:38:57,073 - Good evening, convicted Utah kidnapper, 704 00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,294 Theodore Bundy, has escaped, escaped. 705 00:39:00,381 --> 00:39:01,861 - The last time we looked, the defendant was there, 706 00:39:01,904 --> 00:39:03,210 the next time we looked, he was gone. 707 00:39:03,253 --> 00:39:04,864 - Second floor window on the corner there. 708 00:39:04,951 --> 00:39:08,563 Guards waited outside the room, but Bundy was alone inside. 709 00:39:08,607 --> 00:39:12,654 - The FBI said Bundy escaped from a jail near Aspen, Colorado 710 00:39:12,741 --> 00:39:16,876 - and remains at this hour the subject of a manhunt. 711 00:39:16,963 --> 00:39:19,444 - [Rebecca Morris] That was a pretty monumental day 712 00:39:19,531 --> 00:39:21,489 when he went to the law library. 713 00:39:21,576 --> 00:39:22,708 He was alone. 714 00:39:22,795 --> 00:39:26,102 He was alone on trial for murder. 715 00:39:26,146 --> 00:39:28,931 He was alone in the library. 716 00:39:28,975 --> 00:39:31,673 Two stories up from the ground. 717 00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:54,522 - [Khadija Monk] Security was at a minimum. 718 00:39:54,609 --> 00:39:56,611 He didn't look like the hardened criminals 719 00:39:56,655 --> 00:39:59,005 they were used to dealing with. 720 00:39:59,092 --> 00:40:00,180 - [John Brown] I don't believe they had 721 00:40:00,267 --> 00:40:03,531 any video surveillance at all. 722 00:40:03,618 --> 00:40:04,924 The Pitkin County Sheriff's Office 723 00:40:05,011 --> 00:40:07,187 was greatly embarrassed, obviously. 724 00:40:07,274 --> 00:40:09,407 Nowadays, those people would be shackled. 725 00:40:09,494 --> 00:40:11,278 They'd probably have an ankle monitor on them 726 00:40:11,365 --> 00:40:12,975 that they can't cut off. 727 00:40:13,019 --> 00:40:15,238 They didn't have that technology back then. 728 00:40:15,325 --> 00:40:21,419 And so there was a major manhunt all over that area. 729 00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:27,294 - The search around Aspen, now in its third day, 730 00:40:27,381 --> 00:40:29,252 is being wound down, but a spokesman 731 00:40:29,339 --> 00:40:30,906 for the Pitkin County Sheriff's Department 732 00:40:30,993 --> 00:40:34,475 says the dragnet will definitely continue. 733 00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:37,739 - I think it's really scary. I don't like it. 734 00:40:37,826 --> 00:40:40,873 I just, I wish they would just catch him. 735 00:40:40,916 --> 00:40:43,528 - [Rebecca Morris] It made the county look really dumb 736 00:40:43,615 --> 00:40:48,663 that he could jump out of the window and escape. 737 00:40:48,750 --> 00:40:50,230 Sheriff Dick Kienast: Just the sheriff's office 738 00:40:50,317 --> 00:40:52,841 is certainly at fault in terms of security in the courtroom. 739 00:40:52,885 --> 00:40:55,191 And we hope we've changed that at the moment. 740 00:40:55,235 --> 00:40:57,455 - I believe that Ted did get 741 00:40:57,498 --> 00:40:59,805 some sort of thrill from 742 00:40:59,892 --> 00:41:02,634 playing a game with law enforcement, 743 00:41:02,721 --> 00:41:05,463 playing a game with the judicial system, 744 00:41:05,506 --> 00:41:09,467 playing a game with his victims. 745 00:41:09,554 --> 00:41:13,166 He was of the belief that he was so smart, 746 00:41:13,253 --> 00:41:18,606 so cagey that he could handle any situation 747 00:41:18,693 --> 00:41:21,827 and do so in such a way that made him feel like 748 00:41:21,914 --> 00:41:23,959 he was superior to others. 749 00:41:26,353 --> 00:41:29,051 - The streets of Aspen are safe again. 750 00:41:29,095 --> 00:41:30,923 Suspected multiple murderer Theodore Bundy, 751 00:41:30,966 --> 00:41:33,491 who's escaped from Pitkin County authorities last week, 752 00:41:33,578 --> 00:41:35,362 terrorized the Aspen area, 753 00:41:35,405 --> 00:41:40,062 is back in custody after an absence of nearly seven days. 754 00:41:40,106 --> 00:41:41,499 - [John Brown] When he gets arrested, 755 00:41:41,586 --> 00:41:42,500 they take him to the jail in Glenwood. 756 00:41:42,543 --> 00:41:44,545 And that's a more modern jail 757 00:41:44,632 --> 00:41:47,156 that's supposedly a more secure jail. 758 00:41:47,766 --> 00:41:48,767 I never thought the authorities 759 00:41:48,854 --> 00:41:53,380 would allow him to escape a second time. 760 00:41:53,815 --> 00:41:57,863 ♪ 761 00:42:01,127 --> 00:42:02,563 - My phone rang and they said, 762 00:42:02,650 --> 00:42:08,264 sheriff, we've got murders and injuries at the Chi Omega House. 763 00:42:08,351 --> 00:42:10,092 - [Rebecca Morris] He was really out of control 764 00:42:10,179 --> 00:42:13,443 to attack five women in one night. 765 00:42:13,487 --> 00:42:14,880 - [Susan Peters] Dennis Rader apparently wants 766 00:42:14,967 --> 00:42:18,318 just as much attention as Ted Bundy. 767 00:42:18,405 --> 00:42:20,276 - How many do I have to kill before I get 768 00:42:20,363 --> 00:42:23,062 my name in the paper or some national attention? 769 00:42:23,149 --> 00:42:25,455 - That's a quote that you don't forget. 770 00:42:25,543 --> 00:42:29,721 - [Susan Peters] After that, Wichita was scared. 771 00:42:29,808 --> 00:42:31,418 - Jeffrey Dahmer is 17 years old 772 00:42:31,505 --> 00:42:33,942 and about to commit his first murder. 773 00:42:33,986 --> 00:42:35,727 - [Safarik] Dahmer doesn't want him to leave. 774 00:42:35,814 --> 00:42:37,555 And the only way that he could figure out 775 00:42:37,642 --> 00:42:41,471 how to do this was with massive blunt force trauma. 776 00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:44,257 - I asked him if he was the Green River killer. 777 00:42:44,344 --> 00:42:50,350 He said nothing, just a plain blank look. 778 00:42:50,437 --> 00:42:55,137 I am the only survivor of the Green River Killer. 779 00:42:55,181 --> 00:42:57,487 - Well if you kill 30 some people and never get caught, 780 00:42:57,575 --> 00:42:59,925 you begin to think you're never going to get caught. 781 00:43:00,012 --> 00:43:01,361 [Dave] He looks at me right in the face and he says 782 00:43:01,448 --> 00:43:04,886 "you know Dave, clowns can get away with murder." 63306

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