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- [Eugenia Godzik] My brother
was six years younger than me
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and I remember
he had taken the job
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and started working for Gacy.
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And he says, oh, mom, me and
this boy are working together
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and we're digging
around Gacy's house.
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Well, it ended up they were
digging their own graves.
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[dramatic music]
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- Five of the most prolific
serial killers
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in American history were all
operating at the same time.
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- John Wayne Gacy.
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- Ted Bundy.
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- BTK.
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- Jeffrey Dahmer.
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- So called Green River Killer.
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- This was the golden age
of serial killers.
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- My mother had told me that
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the only thing she
ever prayed for,
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for herself was to die
peacefully in her sleep.
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And that's the one thing
she did not get.
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- [Mary O'Toole] Three months
after the Otero murders,
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Dennis Rader decided
he was going to kill again.
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- [Kevin O'Connor]
Now you have five homicides
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in Wichita, Kansas,
within a few months.
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- [Safarik] When John
Gacy has his first kill,
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he recognizes the
powerful arousal component
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of deciding
whether they live or die.
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This is when Gacy crosses over.
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- [William Kunkle] He says,
defended himself and killed him
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and buried him in a crawlspace.
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- [Kathleen]
During the first half of 1974,
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there were a series of murders
about one a month.
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Ted Bundy's m.o. was to
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get women to trust him
and go with him.
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- My husband told me,
he said she's missing
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and they can't find her.
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And I said, no, she's dead.
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- [Mary O'Toole] What sets
this group of men apart
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is that they flew under
law enforcement's radar
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for a long time,
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and in order to do that,
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these individuals have to come
across as being fairly normal
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to their neighbors and
to people that knew them.
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You don't look like you're
really scary and dangerous.
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And when you're not killing,
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you are sort of
living a pro social life,
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you're able to fly
under the radar screen.
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Gacy was able to do it.
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Dahmer was able to do it.
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BTK was able to do it.
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Green River was able to do it.
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Bundy was able to do it.
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And when you have
that combination,
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you could murder for years
and years and not be caught.
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- [Safarik] Bundy was
very careful
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in his planning of his crimes.
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He'd always taken
a single female.
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But here's what happens
with guys like Bundy.
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You have a success and
then you have another success
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and then another
and then another.
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And pretty soon,
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you start to believe I'm so
far ahead of law enforcement
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that you start to
believe you're invincible.
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And this is what I think
happens at Lake Sammamish.
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- [Kathleen] Lake Sammamish
State Park,
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it's a lake and a park and
a wonderful, beautiful place,
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particularly in the summertime
in Seattle.
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Different witnesses saw Ted
approach various young women.
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People saw that he had what
appeared to be a cast on his arm
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and ask for some help
with his sailboat.
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And people also observed
Janice Ott leave with him.
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- [John Brown] Remember, this
was an age of innocence.
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I think if the Lake Sammamish
incidences happened today,
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the women would be
very suspicious of,
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you know, some
stranger asking to
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put a sailboat on top of
a Volkswagen.
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- Bundy abducts her, takes
her up about two miles away
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to a preselected location
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and is there with her
for maybe about four hours.
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- [Kathleen] After he committed
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the first abduction successfully
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and the police
weren't on his tail,
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he felt like he could commit
the second crime of the day.
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Denise Naslund, who was at
the park with her boyfriend
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and some other friends,
went to the restroom
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and she was never seen again.
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- [Robert Schug]
So in broad daylight,
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in a very densely
populated public park,
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Ted Bundy abducted
two victims and killed them.
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This is very brazen,
very risky behavior.
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That risk of being caught
must have been so intense
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and that must have been
something that he really craved.
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But it also might speak to
his opinion of law enforcement.
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Well, they're never
going to catch me.
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They haven't so far.
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I can do whatever I want.
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So it might reflect
both the thrill seeking
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as well as his own grandiosity.
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- [John Sandefer]
But with the disappearance
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of the Ott and the Naslund girls
on the same day
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from the same state park,
came the first indications
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that a male subject
was involved.
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- [Robert Schug]
leading up to Lake Sammamish,
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Bundy has already
abducted and killed five women
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from around Seattle
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and an additional woman
from nearby Oregon.
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- [Kathleen] Lake Sammamish
is outside
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the city limits of Seattle.
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So there was a task
force set up between
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Seattle police and
King County Police.
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That's when I became
involved in the investigation.
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As a detective with the
King County Police Department
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in Seattle, Washington
and I was assigned
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to investigate a series
of homicides
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that had been occurring
in Washington State.
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- [Mary O'Toole] That was
a very innovative thing
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to bring together a group
of law enforcement agencies
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to address the issue
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in an attempt to
identify the offender.
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- They are going to start at
the very beginning
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and go through every one of
those ten suspects we've got.
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This is what we're doing
right now with this task force.
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- [Kathleen] The name
Ted came to our attention
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because one of the
witnesses at the park
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overheard Ted
introducing himself.
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- They also knew then that
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Ted drove a light colored
Volkswagen bug.
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- [Rebecca Morris]
Then the police had
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something to work with.
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- [Kathleen] We went to the
public and said,
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we need your help;
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we need any photographs that
you took at the park that day.
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Witnesses; did anybody
see this young woman?
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The county police set up
a hotline and we received
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over the next two weeks
over 1,000 leads.
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- Thank you very
much for calling.
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- [Kathleen] We did notify
law enforcement
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throughout the
western states
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that we were looking
for someone named Ted,
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someone that drove
a brown Volkswagen.
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- A composite picture was
released to the news media.
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- [Rebecca Morris] It wasn't
a great depiction of him,
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but it got the attention
of a number of people,
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including Liz Kendall,
his girlfriend.
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- [Safarik]
Liz Kendall says,
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gosh, that sounds a
lot like my boyfriend.
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And he's had some
weird behavior in the past.
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I'm going to
contact law enforcement.
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- [Rebecca Morris]
The initial story
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in the paper
after Lake Sammamish,
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was that he drove a bronze
Volkswagen and her Ted didn't.
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Her Ted drove a very washed out,
faded tan Volkswagen.
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So she called to check
to see about
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the color of the
Volkswagen.
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And whoever she
talked to said, no,
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it's bronze. It's bronze.
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So that kind of
pacified her for a while.
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She eventually called back
two or three more times.
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- [Safarik] No response
from law enforcement.
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Law enforcement doesn't
believe that a guy like Bundy
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fits what they think is
their profile of a killer.
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And they dismiss it.
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- [Khadija Monk] In the mid-70s,
society, in their mind,
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had either this sort of
Manson like idea of what
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a killer would look like or it
would be a minority on drugs.
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But we weren't
looking for
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people that were hiding
in plain sight.
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- [Lindsey Wade] Ted Bundy
was able to carry on
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a normal appearing life.
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He had a girlfriend.
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- [John Brown] He was a
shaggy haired college student.
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- [W. Ken Katsaris]
Ted Bundy simply could
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walk the streets
as a serial killer
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and nobody would say,
oh, that guy looks weird.
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He's the reason why young ladies
would go to his car with him.
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He was smart,
charismatic, good looking.
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He was totally invisible
for what he was.
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- [John Sandefer] Since the
publication of the description
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of the man called Ted,
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there have been no further
disappearances from this area.
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John Sandefer for
ABC News in Seattle.
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- [Mary O'Toole] Ted left
Seattle in 1974 in the fall
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and he enrolled in law school
in Salt Lake City.
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- [Lindsey Wade] Well,
Ted Bundy definitely seemed
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to take an interest
in paying attention
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to how police investigated
crimes and intentionally
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committed crimes in
different jurisdictions
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because he recognized
that law enforcement
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wouldn't necessarily be
able to connect the dots
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or that they wouldn't be able
to make the connections easily.
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- [Robert Schug] Bundy's tactic
was moving around a lot.
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He'd just move states and
kept law enforcement guessing
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and he actually killed
four more women
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by the end of that year.
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He felt unstoppable.
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- [Safarik] When you
look at serial killers
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and this really goes to all five
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of the serial killers
in this golden age,
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there's an aspect of them,
their personality,
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that is consistent across all of
them that makes them successful.
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They are psychopaths.
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They understand the difference
between what is right
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and what is wrong,
both morally and legally.
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They simply don't care.
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The problem is
for law enforcement,
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when they engage in these
horrifically brutal crimes,
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they can immediately
come right back from that
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and act like a
normal individual.
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And that makes it so
difficult to catch them.
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- When Dennis
Rader started in 1974,
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he killed five people
right off the top.
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- [Khadija Monk]
Following the Otero
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and the Bright murders
in Wichita, Kansas,
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the police didn't
really have any leads
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and they certainly
weren't connecting these cases.
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- [Susan Peters] They had
absolutely no suspects at all.
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And then people started coming
forward claiming responsibility.
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- [Tim Relph] It was in
the paper that there
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had been an arrest
in the Otero case.
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So, the killer at
this time decided,
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no, no, nobody's getting
credit for what I did.
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[typewriter bell rings]
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- [Larry Hatteberg] Rader had
left a book in the library
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and inside that
book was a letter.
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And it was a message
to the police department
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and really the whole
beginning of the messaging
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between the police department,
the media and Dennis Rader.
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- [Tim Relph] In this letter,
he goes into very,
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very specific detail about each
one of the Otero victims.
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It is very clear in that letter
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that he had
committed the Otero crime.
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The specifics of the
letter weren't published,
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not at that time.
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- [Mary O'Toole] We had not
really seen serial killers
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inject themselves
into the investigation.
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We had not seen serial killers
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necessarily write letters,
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very provocative letters.
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And when you see that behavior,
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it does set that offender apart
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because those
are the individuals
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that tend to be
even more arrogant.
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Those are the individuals
that are more grandiose.
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They don't think that
they're going to get caught.
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- [Safarik] Dennis Rader
is unique
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from the other four
serial killers of this age
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in that Dennis Rader,
he wanted a moniker.
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- [Susan Peters] He wants
to give himself a brand
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and he says, by the
way, my name is BTK
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for bind, torture and kill.
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- [Larry Hatteberg] You don't
look for a serial killer
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to be the guy next door.
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Nobody suspected that.
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We were looking for the
wild guy, the crazy person.
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He didn't look
like those things.
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He looked like a
normal guy with a job,
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went to work eight
to five every day.
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And to me, that is the
most monstrous part of it,
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is that he was
the guy next door.
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- [John Borowski]
The ultimate serial killer
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is one that can
hide in plain sight
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and that's evident in the
cases of John Wayne Gacy,
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Gary Ridgway and Dennis Rader.
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They had a wife,
they had children.
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They had work lives.
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- [Robert Schug] So in 1974,
Ridgway is leading
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a double life,
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a dual existence where
in one life he's married,
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has a steady job and is
sort of blending into society.
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In the other life,
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he's basically addicted
to prostitutes
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and spending a lot of
time with sex workers.
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- [Patty Eakes] Ridgway
worked for 30 plus years
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at the Kenworth plant in Seattle
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and he was a truck painter.
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He showed up to work every day,
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he had perfect attendance,
by all accounts.
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- [Khadija Monk]
Just like Ridgway in 1974,
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Dahmer hasn't killed yet either.
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He is a high school student.
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He's a class clown, but
he also has these urges.
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So he goes into the back yard
and he dissects animals.
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These are the secretive
lives that they are living
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while at the same time
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appearing to be
a high school student
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or a model employee.
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- [John Borowski]
They we're using this ruse
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of having a normal
life to seem normal.
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Gacy was the same way.
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Gacy knew what he was doing.
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He built, carefully,
an entire life
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to live a facade, a duality
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where he could be seen,
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at least on outward appearances,
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as a heterosexual father,
husband, owner of a business.
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- In his neighborhood,
he was a big shot
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and very popular because
he threw all these parties.
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Like, every summer, he'd
throw this giant yard party
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and he'd cook for everybody,
hundreds of people.
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- They all thought
he was great.
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They thought he was a great guy.
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- [John Borowski]
After Gacy's first victim,
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he doesn't kill again
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until 1975, three years later.
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Gacy's business was
operating full time.
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Gacy would hire young men
from the Chicago community
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or outlying suburbs
to work with him
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on these contractor jobs
for his company.
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By hiring these young teenagers,
Gacy is saving money,
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he's seen in the community
as helping out youth
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and giving back
to the community,
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but he's also
searching for victims.
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- [Robert Schug] John Butkovich
was hired by Gacy
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when he was 18 years old
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and he met him
in a hardware store.
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- On the night that he
disappeared or was last seen,
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Butkovich had
come to Gacy's house.
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- Gacy wound up
owing Butkovich money.
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He didn't pay him for
two weeks' worth of work.
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- [William Kunkle] Butkovich
was very belligerent with Gacy,
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wanting his money and
threatening him and,
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you know, shoving and pushing.
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And that's where he
gets the cuffs on him
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and used his garret
and strangled him to death
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and buried him under the
addition to the garage
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in the back.
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[Phone ringing]
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- Missing persons,
Leo, can I help you?
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- [John Borowski]
Butkovich's parents not only
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went to the police station,
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but they would call
them numerous times daily
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and the police just
really wouldn't respond to it.
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The Chicago police
told Butkovich's parents
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that it's not likely that
a successful businessman
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would be a suspect in the case.
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Missing persons are
considered runaways,
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most likely,
especially teenagers.
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And in the 70s, you're
talking about a time period
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where kids would hitchhike
and disappear for days
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and then they would
wind up coming back home
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or showing up somewhere else.
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Without the proper evidence,
there is no proof
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that there was any foul play
or anything underhanded
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going on with these kids.
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They were just missing.
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- [Safarik] You have to
understand, at the time,
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Gacy was an
upstanding community member.
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He was a guy that
entertained children
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at parties as Pogo the clown.
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- He claimed he had big
connections in Chicago politics,
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that he was a precinct captain,
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you know, he put a picture
on the wall in his office
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of him and Roslyn Carter.
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- [Safarik] So the police
knew him.
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He was well-liked,
well-known in the community.
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He's quite an
articulate individual.
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Again, as a psychopath, he can,
like, manipulate the situation.
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- Gacy's marriage to
Carol Hoff, his second wife,
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slowly went downhill
after their marriage.
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On March 2nd, 1976,
Carol Hoff files for divorce.
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Once Gacy's wife
leaves the house,
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he has the entire
property to himself
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where he would
invite his victims,
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where he tortured them,
rapes and strangled them
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and then buried them in his
crawlspace beneath this house.
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- [Khadija Monk]
After Lake Sammamish,
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Bundy doesn't slow down,
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as a matter of fact,
he accelerates
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and he begins to
attack women in
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Utah, Colorado and Idaho.
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- [John Brown] Bundy was
going to law school in Utah,
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but he would just go to Colorado
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for like a day or
half a day or two days.
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He was just trolling.
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- [Safarik] In 1975,
law enforcement
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gets a huge break with Bundy.
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- [John Brown]
A Utah highway patrol officer
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was going home to his house
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00:20:01,287 --> 00:20:06,466
and saw a suspicious
car in his neighborhood.
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- [Kathleen] It was in the
middle of the night.
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Bundy's car was parked
by the side of the road
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with the lights out.
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00:20:14,996 --> 00:20:17,912
The trooper flashed
his lights onto the car
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and Ted started to take off,
but ultimately did pull over.
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- [Safarik] In his
Volkswagens trunk,
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there were handcuffs,
an icepick,
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pantyhose with holes in them,
duct tape,
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license plates from Colorado,
gas receipts from Colorado.
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00:20:38,846 --> 00:20:41,327
- [Kathleen] Also the seat
was out in the vehicle too,
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which makes it a little
easier to conceal someone.
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00:20:44,373 --> 00:20:49,770
Those kinds of things tell you
that he wasn't out for a picnic.
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00:20:51,641 --> 00:20:53,904
Ted was arrested and
he was charged with
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evading the officer
from when he took off.
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- [Safarik] So that is a pivotal
moment for law enforcement
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when they really get
their first big break
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00:21:05,002 --> 00:21:10,312
in who he is with his car
and the murder kit
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00:21:10,356 --> 00:21:15,361
and this is what started law
enforcement to focus on Bundy.
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- [John Brown] The find by
Officer Haywood of the things
401
00:21:17,754 --> 00:21:23,282
in Ted's car would make any
police officer suspicious.
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00:21:23,369 --> 00:21:25,458
- [Khadija Monk]
No one knows that he's
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00:21:25,501 --> 00:21:28,199
the Ted that
everyone's looking for
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00:21:28,243 --> 00:21:29,897
but it's common
practice for law enforcement
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00:21:29,984 --> 00:21:32,856
to look at unsolved
crimes in their area
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00:21:32,900 --> 00:21:35,337
when they pick up a
suspect with crime tools.
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00:21:35,424 --> 00:21:36,991
That's when they
discovered the connection
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00:21:37,078 --> 00:21:39,298
to the abduction
of Carol DaRonch.
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00:21:46,435 --> 00:21:49,133
- [Rebecca Morris] Carol
DaRonch was 18 years old,
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00:21:49,220 --> 00:21:50,918
beautiful girl.
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00:21:51,005 --> 00:21:56,184
She'd gone into the mall
and this man approached her.
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- [Kathleen] Ted Bundy
told her he was a police officer
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and showed her
some sort of badge
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00:22:02,538 --> 00:22:05,498
and said that your
car in the parking lot,
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I think it's
been hit by someone.
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And then he told her she had
to go to the police station
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with him to sort it all out.
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00:22:13,636 --> 00:22:17,074
And she got into
his car with him,
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realizing at that moment
it was a huge mistake.
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But when he pulled over
to put handcuffs on her,
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she managed to escape.
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- [Safarik] She escaped
and was able to provide
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a description of
both the car and Bundy.
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It was a really big
break for law enforcement.
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- [Rebecca Morris]
They put Ted in a lineup
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and she picked him right out.
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00:22:42,970 --> 00:22:44,928
She said that's him,
that's the person
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00:22:45,015 --> 00:22:47,931
that handcuffed me in the car.
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00:22:47,975 --> 00:22:49,672
- [John Brown]
They arrested Ted Bundy
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for the Carol DaRonch
incident in October of 1975.
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00:22:57,332 --> 00:23:00,814
After Ted was released on bail,
he returned to Seattle.
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That's when I first met him.
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I was assigned
his case originally
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by the King County
Office of Public Defense.
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00:23:09,300 --> 00:23:12,042
I was his
attorney and his adviser
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kind of on and off
for six or seven years.
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00:23:16,046 --> 00:23:18,092
I think the first thing
he ever said to me was,
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oh, there's this silly
little matter in Utah,
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that's exact quote,
I'll never forget it.
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And I went, "ah,
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00:23:24,881 --> 00:23:28,581
it's a little more serious
than that, Mr. Bundy."
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00:23:28,624 --> 00:23:30,365
- [Kathleen] After Ted
was arrested
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00:23:30,452 --> 00:23:32,976
in the Carol DaRonch case,
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00:23:33,020 --> 00:23:35,675
the media began putting
two and two together,
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00:23:35,718 --> 00:23:38,242
in fact, that Ted had
been in Washington State,
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00:23:38,329 --> 00:23:40,114
girls had gone missing.
447
00:23:40,201 --> 00:23:44,292
He left and then girls
were abducted in Utah.
448
00:23:44,379 --> 00:23:47,077
- [John Brown] Then there was
the headline in Seattle papers,
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00:23:47,164 --> 00:23:51,168
Is Utah Ted, Seattle Ted?
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00:23:51,212 --> 00:23:53,040
- [Safarik] Because
investigators were focusing
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00:23:53,127 --> 00:23:57,044
on Bundy now
and his VW bug,
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00:23:57,131 --> 00:24:02,179
that VW bug was immediately
seized and taken by the FBI
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00:24:02,223 --> 00:24:06,270
and dismantled at the
laboratory piece by piece,
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00:24:06,314 --> 00:24:07,794
looking for evidence.
455
00:24:07,881 --> 00:24:10,274
One of the pieces of evidence
they found in the car
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was actually a head hair.
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00:24:13,495 --> 00:24:14,801
- [John Brown] Back then,
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00:24:14,844 --> 00:24:16,367
there wasn't a lot of
technology for law enforcement,
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00:24:16,411 --> 00:24:20,284
but there was technology
for hairs and fibers.
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00:24:20,371 --> 00:24:22,330
- [Robert Schug] Police were
able to match the hair
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00:24:22,417 --> 00:24:24,332
in Bundy's car
to Caryn Campbell,
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00:24:24,375 --> 00:24:25,899
who had been murdered
in Colorado
463
00:24:25,986 --> 00:24:28,467
nine months before Bundy
was arrested.
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- No one knew what had
happened to her.
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- On January 12, 1975,
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00:24:35,952 --> 00:24:38,999
Caryn Campbell disappeared
from the Wildwood Inn.
467
00:24:39,086 --> 00:24:41,871
On February the 17th,
36 days later,
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her nude body was found
almost three miles away.
469
00:24:45,788 --> 00:24:47,268
- [Rebecca Morris]
Now that was a crime
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he hadn't even
been suspected of.
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00:24:50,358 --> 00:24:54,841
- So now Colorado
started investigating him.
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00:24:54,928 --> 00:24:57,583
- [Rebecca Morris] Law
enforcement had his gas receipts
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00:24:57,626 --> 00:25:01,108
and they started
tracing where Ted had traveled
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00:25:01,195 --> 00:25:03,371
and where he'd bought gasoline,
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00:25:03,458 --> 00:25:05,199
usually with a credit card.
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00:25:05,286 --> 00:25:09,638
And he'd been at
this resort in Colorado.
477
00:25:09,725 --> 00:25:13,076
- [Kathleen] We never doubted
that the clues were there.
478
00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:16,863
It was a matter of us
gathering the evidence,
479
00:25:16,906 --> 00:25:18,995
getting the information.
480
00:25:19,082 --> 00:25:21,084
- All of the things
started fitting together
481
00:25:21,128 --> 00:25:25,524
and we began investigating Ted
24 hours a day.
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- Once authorities catch Bundy
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00:25:34,489 --> 00:25:37,187
and connect him
to Carol DaRonch,
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then they connect him to
Caryn Campbell in Colorado.
485
00:25:42,497 --> 00:25:44,412
- [Kathleen] When it
became clear
486
00:25:44,499 --> 00:25:47,328
that Ted was such a mobile guy
487
00:25:47,415 --> 00:25:49,548
and had been
traveling throughout
488
00:25:49,635 --> 00:25:52,202
the west and the
northwest in his bug,
489
00:25:52,289 --> 00:25:55,118
the different detectives
from the different agencies
490
00:25:55,205 --> 00:25:59,209
met and shared all the
information that they had.
491
00:26:00,863 --> 00:26:04,563
- [Safarik] The Aspen
summit was really critical;
492
00:26:04,650 --> 00:26:08,131
30 investigators from
five different states.
493
00:26:08,175 --> 00:26:11,700
This was really unheard of
in law enforcement.
494
00:26:11,787 --> 00:26:15,138
I think they strongly believed
that Bundy was responsible
495
00:26:15,225 --> 00:26:18,664
for a lot of these
homicides and disappearances.
496
00:26:18,707 --> 00:26:21,928
But more importantly,
where is the evidence?
497
00:26:22,015 --> 00:26:25,148
We need to start
building a case with evidence,
498
00:26:25,192 --> 00:26:28,804
which is what they really
didn't have at the time.
499
00:26:28,891 --> 00:26:30,327
- [Kathleen] Utah authorities
500
00:26:30,414 --> 00:26:32,373
were also looking at other cases
501
00:26:32,460 --> 00:26:36,290
that they believed perhaps
Ted had been responsible for.
502
00:26:36,377 --> 00:26:38,031
We developed
information on our own.
503
00:26:38,118 --> 00:26:40,599
We shared that
information with Salt Lake
504
00:26:40,686 --> 00:26:45,604
and law enforcement
authorities in Colorado as well.
505
00:27:03,404 --> 00:27:04,666
- The question was,
506
00:27:04,753 --> 00:27:06,842
I think for a lot
of the investigators,
507
00:27:06,929 --> 00:27:09,628
was is Ted Bundy our offender?
508
00:27:09,715 --> 00:27:15,068
But more importantly, how
do we catch Bundy for murder?
509
00:27:15,111 --> 00:27:18,637
That was, I think, the
importance of the Aspen summit.
510
00:27:28,908 --> 00:27:30,518
- [Kathleen] In Seattle, we were
watching very closely
511
00:27:30,605 --> 00:27:35,523
when Ted was charged with
the Carol DaRonch abduction
512
00:27:35,566 --> 00:27:40,180
and the subsequent trial
and his conviction.
513
00:27:41,964 --> 00:27:43,400
- [John Brown] Ted thought
he could charm anybody.
514
00:27:43,444 --> 00:27:49,580
He had a classic sociopath's
ability to avoid reality.
515
00:27:49,624 --> 00:27:51,495
And so, you know,
I think he actually thought
516
00:27:51,582 --> 00:27:57,153
he'd be found not guilty by
Judge Hanson, which was ubsurd.
517
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,243
- On March 1st, 1976, 3RD
District Judge Stewart Hanson Jr
518
00:28:00,287 --> 00:28:04,030
found Bundy guilty of
second degree kidnapping.
519
00:28:04,117 --> 00:28:06,336
He was given a one to
15 year sentence
520
00:28:06,423 --> 00:28:07,598
at the Utah State Prison.
521
00:28:07,686 --> 00:28:09,339
- That was a big story
522
00:28:09,426 --> 00:28:12,255
when he was finally
convicted of something
523
00:28:12,299 --> 00:28:15,041
and he went to Utah prison.
524
00:28:15,128 --> 00:28:16,825
- [John Brown] I visited him
at the Utah State Penitentiary,
525
00:28:16,912 --> 00:28:19,262
but he thought, well, I'll be
out of here in like nine months.
526
00:28:19,306 --> 00:28:23,702
I said, no Ted, Colorado
is this hot on your trail
527
00:28:23,745 --> 00:28:29,055
and so is Washington.
528
00:28:41,197 --> 00:28:42,459
[slate clicks]
529
00:28:43,852 --> 00:28:45,158
- [Eugenia Godzik] My brother
was six years younger than me.
530
00:28:45,245 --> 00:28:49,815
He was very interested
in cars and he was
531
00:28:49,902 --> 00:28:52,992
a very, very big hockey player.
532
00:28:53,079 --> 00:28:55,298
And I remember we
were sitting at dinner,
533
00:28:55,342 --> 00:28:59,259
he had taken the job and
started working for Gacy
534
00:28:59,302 --> 00:29:03,437
and he says, oh, Mom, me and
this boy are working together
535
00:29:03,524 --> 00:29:08,268
and we're digging
around Gacy's house.
536
00:29:08,355 --> 00:29:13,447
Well, it ended up they
were digging their own graves.
537
00:29:14,056 --> 00:29:18,931
♪
538
00:29:24,197 --> 00:29:26,199
We always had a tradition;
539
00:29:26,242 --> 00:29:29,332
we used to put the tree up
the day after Thanksgiving,
540
00:29:29,419 --> 00:29:33,510
so that Friday we
were decorating the tree,
541
00:29:33,554 --> 00:29:37,950
we got the gifts and we
would put them under the tree.
542
00:29:40,735 --> 00:29:46,045
Gregory, he got this job
with Gacy for $5 an hour.
543
00:29:46,088 --> 00:29:49,962
Oh, he was just as you know,
like on cloud nine
544
00:29:50,005 --> 00:29:54,357
because he's
making all this money.
545
00:29:54,401 --> 00:29:57,143
He's thinking oh, life is
good, possibly that
546
00:29:57,230 --> 00:30:02,322
he was going to go to college
because he was a senior.
547
00:30:02,713 --> 00:30:07,675
♪
548
00:30:10,069 --> 00:30:11,374
- [John Borowski]
On December 11th,
549
00:30:11,418 --> 00:30:14,029
Gregory Godzik went out to
dinner with his girlfriend
550
00:30:14,073 --> 00:30:17,424
and supposedly he was
going to Gacy's place
551
00:30:17,511 --> 00:30:18,991
to pick up his paycheck.
552
00:30:23,386 --> 00:30:25,519
- [Eugenia Godzik] The next
morning when I woke up,
553
00:30:25,606 --> 00:30:28,391
my mother said, did you
see your brother last night?
554
00:30:28,478 --> 00:30:30,045
Your brother didn't come home
555
00:30:30,132 --> 00:30:32,178
and I said, I have no idea.
556
00:30:34,615 --> 00:30:37,836
And I remember my mom saying
we have to call his friends
557
00:30:37,923 --> 00:30:40,751
and we called,
we talked to everybody
558
00:30:40,795 --> 00:30:46,540
and they're like, nope,
nope, haven't seen him.
559
00:30:46,627 --> 00:30:49,848
That Monday is when my
mom called the police,
560
00:30:49,935 --> 00:30:52,720
filled out
whatever she needed to do.
561
00:30:52,807 --> 00:30:55,723
They said, well,
we'll do what we can,
562
00:30:55,810 --> 00:30:57,246
but their answer always was,
563
00:30:57,333 --> 00:30:59,031
you know, you know how kids are.
564
00:30:59,118 --> 00:31:04,384
He'll probably be back.
Don't worry.
565
00:31:07,648 --> 00:31:09,215
My mother, you know,
did everything
566
00:31:09,302 --> 00:31:13,915
she possibly could
to find her son.
567
00:31:14,002 --> 00:31:17,310
- I can't help it,
I cry all the time.
568
00:31:17,397 --> 00:31:21,096
- My mother kept saying,
is anybody doing their job?
569
00:31:21,140 --> 00:31:25,231
You know, nobody seems
to be doing their job.
570
00:31:25,318 --> 00:31:27,798
You really think
that this isn't real.
571
00:31:27,842 --> 00:31:30,801
You cannot believe that
it's happening to you.
572
00:31:30,889 --> 00:31:32,412
You keep thinking, well, maybe,
573
00:31:32,499 --> 00:31:36,024
well just maybe
he might come back.
574
00:31:41,203 --> 00:31:46,252
[sirens]
575
00:31:49,037 --> 00:31:50,647
- [William Kunkle] When Greg
Godzik disappeared
576
00:31:50,691 --> 00:31:54,086
like the others, there was a
police report on it
577
00:31:54,129 --> 00:31:55,914
and that someone went to Gacy
578
00:31:55,957 --> 00:31:57,828
and talked to them and as usual,
579
00:31:57,872 --> 00:32:01,658
he simply denied it and
said, yeah, he worked for me.
580
00:32:01,745 --> 00:32:03,443
I know the kid.
He was a good worker.
581
00:32:04,444 --> 00:32:06,054
I don't know what
happened to him.
582
00:32:06,141 --> 00:32:07,621
He wasn't here.
583
00:32:09,275 --> 00:32:10,841
- [John Borowski]
Since Gacy was one of
584
00:32:10,885 --> 00:32:13,105
the last people to see
Gregory Godzik alive,
585
00:32:13,192 --> 00:32:15,107
one would think
that the authorities
586
00:32:15,194 --> 00:32:17,413
would look into
Gacy's background
587
00:32:17,500 --> 00:32:23,506
and find his record of sodomy,
but they never did.
588
00:32:23,593 --> 00:32:25,117
Without a body,
you don't have a murder,
589
00:32:25,204 --> 00:32:27,119
you got missing persons,
runaway kids,
590
00:32:27,206 --> 00:32:29,469
none of that's a crime.
591
00:32:30,078 --> 00:32:31,384
- [Kori Rumore]
There are a few reasons
592
00:32:31,427 --> 00:32:35,431
why police were unable to
connect Gacy to these crimes.
593
00:32:35,518 --> 00:32:38,347
One, you have to
remember that in the 1970s,
594
00:32:38,391 --> 00:32:41,698
runaway culture was rampant.
595
00:32:41,742 --> 00:32:46,529
Second, computers were not
used in policing at this time.
596
00:32:46,573 --> 00:32:50,055
And thirdly, police districts
do not speak to each other
597
00:32:50,142 --> 00:32:51,882
and do not share information.
598
00:32:51,926 --> 00:32:55,408
So John Butkovich lived on
the north side of the city.
599
00:32:55,451 --> 00:32:58,193
Gregory Godzik lived on the
northwest side of the city.
600
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,109
But neither of those districts
would have shared information
601
00:33:01,196 --> 00:33:04,721
about the two young
men's disappearances.
602
00:33:04,765 --> 00:33:07,289
- [Greg Bedoe] There just
wasn't any communication.
603
00:33:07,376 --> 00:33:09,639
In those days, there was
no way to connect the dots.
604
00:33:11,772 --> 00:33:12,555
- [Safarik] Gacy thought he's
605
00:33:12,642 --> 00:33:14,253
smarter than everybody else.
606
00:33:14,775 --> 00:33:18,170
He's smarter than the cops,
smarter than the detectives,
607
00:33:18,213 --> 00:33:19,693
Gacy really epitomized
608
00:33:19,780 --> 00:33:22,565
the completely organized
serial killer,
609
00:33:22,652 --> 00:33:24,698
but so did Dennis Rader.
610
00:33:28,441 --> 00:33:30,225
- [Kevin O'Connor]
Dennis Rader had a BTK side
611
00:33:30,312 --> 00:33:33,837
and he added Dennis Rader,
the family man side.
612
00:33:34,795 --> 00:33:36,362
But he will describe to us
later in interviews
613
00:33:36,449 --> 00:33:40,018
that he much preferred
the BTK side.
614
00:33:40,105 --> 00:33:41,758
That's where he
really wanted to be
615
00:33:41,845 --> 00:33:44,848
and his family
just got in the way.
616
00:33:44,935 --> 00:33:46,328
- [Susan Peters]
A couple of years after the
617
00:33:46,415 --> 00:33:49,375
Otero's and Kathryn
Bright were murdered,
618
00:33:49,462 --> 00:33:51,725
his first son was born.
619
00:33:51,768 --> 00:33:55,207
So we took a break
from the murders.
620
00:33:58,210 --> 00:34:00,125
- [Tim Relph] When a
criminal goes dormant,
621
00:34:00,168 --> 00:34:03,867
you start to wonder, has he
left the area, is he dead?
622
00:34:03,954 --> 00:34:05,434
When somebody goes
dormant, it's not like,
623
00:34:05,521 --> 00:34:07,958
okay, great, we can
really work on the case now.
624
00:34:08,046 --> 00:34:09,786
There's a reason they go dormant
625
00:34:09,873 --> 00:34:11,962
and some of them
aren't always criminal.
626
00:34:12,050 --> 00:34:14,226
It certainly wasn't
that way with Dennis Rader.
627
00:34:14,313 --> 00:34:15,444
Dennis Rader went
dormant because
628
00:34:15,531 --> 00:34:17,577
he had family obligations.
629
00:34:17,664 --> 00:34:19,013
- [Robert Schug]
While this, on the outside
630
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:21,146
appears as a
period of inactivity,
631
00:34:21,233 --> 00:34:22,712
even though he's not killing,
632
00:34:22,799 --> 00:34:24,149
he still may be stalking,
633
00:34:24,192 --> 00:34:26,629
fantasizing about the murder,
reenacting the fantasy,
634
00:34:26,673 --> 00:34:30,590
reenacting the events,
allowing the fantasy to continue
635
00:34:30,677 --> 00:34:34,942
and to strengthen to the
point where he has to act on it.
636
00:34:36,683 --> 00:34:38,989
- Dennis was driving
his wife to an appointment
637
00:34:39,077 --> 00:34:42,384
when he had seen Nancy
getting her mail.
638
00:34:49,087 --> 00:34:50,523
- [Safarik] Rader was
very careful
639
00:34:50,566 --> 00:34:54,309
about planning out his attacks
and selecting his victims
640
00:34:54,353 --> 00:34:58,226
or as he called them,
projects very carefully.
641
00:35:15,678 --> 00:35:20,161
- Nancy Fox was a sweet
daughter of a local family.
642
00:35:20,248 --> 00:35:23,382
- [Larry Hatteberg] He saw her
just, you know, out and about.
643
00:35:23,425 --> 00:35:26,559
None of these murders are
linked together with anything.
644
00:35:26,646 --> 00:35:30,128
They're just, oh,
I like her, she's next.
645
00:35:30,215 --> 00:35:32,521
That was the hard
part for the police.
646
00:35:32,608 --> 00:35:35,002
That's the scary
part for the public.
647
00:35:45,099 --> 00:35:46,144
- [Kevin O'Connor] He cut
her phone lines
648
00:35:46,231 --> 00:35:47,449
in the back of the house.
649
00:35:47,536 --> 00:35:49,886
He broke in
through a bedroom window
650
00:35:49,930 --> 00:35:56,328
and waited for her until
she gets back from work.
651
00:35:57,677 --> 00:35:59,505
One of the first things
that Nancy Fox did
652
00:35:59,592 --> 00:36:01,724
when she discovered him
in her home
653
00:36:01,768 --> 00:36:05,859
is she went to her phone
and the line was dead.
654
00:36:12,779 --> 00:36:14,737
In the 70s, it would
be very significant
655
00:36:14,781 --> 00:36:16,478
if you cut someone's phone line
656
00:36:16,565 --> 00:36:21,309
and he'll even talk about how
it would be different nowadays
657
00:36:21,396 --> 00:36:24,182
because he couldn't
stop somebody's cell phone.
658
00:36:28,664 --> 00:36:30,971
- [Susan Peters] Dennis Rader
didn't think anyone
659
00:36:31,058 --> 00:36:36,194
apparently was going to
know about this murder,
660
00:36:36,281 --> 00:36:40,067
so he goes to a pay phone,
calls the police station.
661
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,600
- [Tim Relph]
It's a pretty brief call
662
00:36:51,644 --> 00:36:53,907
and it wasn't put out
initially right away.
663
00:36:53,994 --> 00:36:55,996
They had a lot of
people look into it,
664
00:36:56,083 --> 00:36:57,693
you know, linguistics people.
665
00:36:57,780 --> 00:37:00,000
- [Robert Schug] Dennis Rader
making a phone call
666
00:37:00,087 --> 00:37:02,220
very close to his crime scene
667
00:37:02,307 --> 00:37:07,137
may reflect an
intensification of that rush
668
00:37:07,181 --> 00:37:10,315
associated with committing a
crime and not being caught.
669
00:37:10,358 --> 00:37:12,404
And now, he just needs
to take it up a notch
670
00:37:12,491 --> 00:37:15,668
and make it an
even riskier behavior.
671
00:37:15,755 --> 00:37:18,018
So that might add to the thrill.
672
00:37:18,105 --> 00:37:19,976
And it's also, I think,
conversely, interesting
673
00:37:20,063 --> 00:37:23,458
that we see the same
relationship in many cases
674
00:37:23,502 --> 00:37:26,809
between these serial killers
and their victim.
675
00:37:26,853 --> 00:37:29,421
On one hand, they play
the role of the mouse
676
00:37:29,508 --> 00:37:32,119
relative to the police,
which is the cat,
677
00:37:32,206 --> 00:37:33,816
but in their own world,
in killing,
678
00:37:33,903 --> 00:37:36,950
they are now the cat and
the victims are the mice.
679
00:37:43,957 --> 00:37:47,134
[ominous music]
680
00:37:49,397 --> 00:37:50,659
- [Rebecca Morris] Ted was
convicted
681
00:37:50,746 --> 00:37:52,705
for the Carol DaRonch abduction,
682
00:37:52,748 --> 00:37:57,362
so he was sentenced to
spend up to 15 years in prison.
683
00:37:57,405 --> 00:37:59,886
- [John Brown] Ted was
in the Utah State Prison
684
00:37:59,973 --> 00:38:04,847
and he was charged in Colorado
685
00:38:04,934 --> 00:38:06,501
about nine months after
his conviction
686
00:38:06,588 --> 00:38:08,503
in the DaRonch matter.
687
00:38:08,547 --> 00:38:09,809
- Bundy is accused of murdering
688
00:38:09,896 --> 00:38:11,941
Caryn Campbell of
Dearborn, Michigan.
689
00:38:12,028 --> 00:38:14,509
She was vacationing in Aspen
at the time of her death
690
00:38:14,553 --> 00:38:17,382
in January of 1974.
691
00:38:17,469 --> 00:38:19,558
- [Rebecca Morris] Law
enforcement in Colorado
692
00:38:19,645 --> 00:38:21,473
determined they had
enough to charge him
693
00:38:21,516 --> 00:38:23,518
with the murder
of Caryn Campbell.
694
00:38:23,605 --> 00:38:29,872
So he was moved to
a jail in Colorado.
695
00:38:29,959 --> 00:38:31,570
- [John Brown]
The jail in Aspen
696
00:38:31,657 --> 00:38:34,094
is the Pitkin County Courthouse.
697
00:38:34,181 --> 00:38:35,704
So Ted was representing himself,
698
00:38:35,791 --> 00:38:38,577
along with the public defenders
and the authorities in Aspen
699
00:38:38,620 --> 00:38:41,884
who were really nice about
enforcement people let him use
700
00:38:41,928 --> 00:38:45,018
the law library and basically
unshackled him
701
00:38:45,061 --> 00:38:46,411
from time to time.
702
00:38:46,498 --> 00:38:52,330
And he jumped out of
the window one day.
703
00:38:55,463 --> 00:38:57,073
- Good evening,
convicted Utah kidnapper,
704
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,294
Theodore Bundy,
has escaped, escaped.
705
00:39:00,381 --> 00:39:01,861
- The last time we looked,
the defendant was there,
706
00:39:01,904 --> 00:39:03,210
the next time we looked,
he was gone.
707
00:39:03,253 --> 00:39:04,864
- Second floor window
on the corner there.
708
00:39:04,951 --> 00:39:08,563
Guards waited outside the room,
but Bundy was alone inside.
709
00:39:08,607 --> 00:39:12,654
- The FBI said Bundy escaped
from a jail near Aspen, Colorado
710
00:39:12,741 --> 00:39:16,876
- and remains at this hour
the subject of a manhunt.
711
00:39:16,963 --> 00:39:19,444
- [Rebecca Morris] That was
a pretty monumental day
712
00:39:19,531 --> 00:39:21,489
when he went to the law library.
713
00:39:21,576 --> 00:39:22,708
He was alone.
714
00:39:22,795 --> 00:39:26,102
He was alone
on trial for murder.
715
00:39:26,146 --> 00:39:28,931
He was alone in the library.
716
00:39:28,975 --> 00:39:31,673
Two stories up from the ground.
717
00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:54,522
- [Khadija Monk]
Security was at a minimum.
718
00:39:54,609 --> 00:39:56,611
He didn't look like
the hardened criminals
719
00:39:56,655 --> 00:39:59,005
they were used to dealing with.
720
00:39:59,092 --> 00:40:00,180
- [John Brown]
I don't believe they had
721
00:40:00,267 --> 00:40:03,531
any video surveillance at all.
722
00:40:03,618 --> 00:40:04,924
The Pitkin County
Sheriff's Office
723
00:40:05,011 --> 00:40:07,187
was greatly embarrassed,
obviously.
724
00:40:07,274 --> 00:40:09,407
Nowadays, those people
would be shackled.
725
00:40:09,494 --> 00:40:11,278
They'd probably have
an ankle monitor on them
726
00:40:11,365 --> 00:40:12,975
that they can't cut off.
727
00:40:13,019 --> 00:40:15,238
They didn't have that
technology back then.
728
00:40:15,325 --> 00:40:21,419
And so there was a major
manhunt all over that area.
729
00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:27,294
- The search around Aspen,
now in its third day,
730
00:40:27,381 --> 00:40:29,252
is being wound down,
but a spokesman
731
00:40:29,339 --> 00:40:30,906
for the Pitkin County
Sheriff's Department
732
00:40:30,993 --> 00:40:34,475
says the dragnet will
definitely continue.
733
00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:37,739
- I think it's really scary.
I don't like it.
734
00:40:37,826 --> 00:40:40,873
I just, I wish they
would just catch him.
735
00:40:40,916 --> 00:40:43,528
- [Rebecca Morris] It made
the county look really dumb
736
00:40:43,615 --> 00:40:48,663
that he could jump out
of the window and escape.
737
00:40:48,750 --> 00:40:50,230
Sheriff Dick Kienast:
Just the sheriff's office
738
00:40:50,317 --> 00:40:52,841
is certainly at fault in terms
of security in the courtroom.
739
00:40:52,885 --> 00:40:55,191
And we hope we've
changed that at the moment.
740
00:40:55,235 --> 00:40:57,455
- I believe that Ted did get
741
00:40:57,498 --> 00:40:59,805
some sort of thrill from
742
00:40:59,892 --> 00:41:02,634
playing a game
with law enforcement,
743
00:41:02,721 --> 00:41:05,463
playing a game with
the judicial system,
744
00:41:05,506 --> 00:41:09,467
playing a game with his victims.
745
00:41:09,554 --> 00:41:13,166
He was of the belief
that he was so smart,
746
00:41:13,253 --> 00:41:18,606
so cagey that he
could handle any situation
747
00:41:18,693 --> 00:41:21,827
and do so in such a way
that made him feel like
748
00:41:21,914 --> 00:41:23,959
he was superior to others.
749
00:41:26,353 --> 00:41:29,051
- The streets of Aspen
are safe again.
750
00:41:29,095 --> 00:41:30,923
Suspected multiple murderer
Theodore Bundy,
751
00:41:30,966 --> 00:41:33,491
who's escaped from Pitkin
County authorities last week,
752
00:41:33,578 --> 00:41:35,362
terrorized the Aspen area,
753
00:41:35,405 --> 00:41:40,062
is back in custody after an
absence of nearly seven days.
754
00:41:40,106 --> 00:41:41,499
- [John Brown]
When he gets arrested,
755
00:41:41,586 --> 00:41:42,500
they take him to
the jail in Glenwood.
756
00:41:42,543 --> 00:41:44,545
And that's a more modern jail
757
00:41:44,632 --> 00:41:47,156
that's supposedly a more
secure jail.
758
00:41:47,766 --> 00:41:48,767
I never thought the authorities
759
00:41:48,854 --> 00:41:53,380
would allow him to
escape a second time.
760
00:41:53,815 --> 00:41:57,863
♪
761
00:42:01,127 --> 00:42:02,563
- My phone rang and they said,
762
00:42:02,650 --> 00:42:08,264
sheriff, we've got murders and
injuries at the Chi Omega House.
763
00:42:08,351 --> 00:42:10,092
- [Rebecca Morris]
He was really out of control
764
00:42:10,179 --> 00:42:13,443
to attack five women
in one night.
765
00:42:13,487 --> 00:42:14,880
- [Susan Peters] Dennis Rader
apparently wants
766
00:42:14,967 --> 00:42:18,318
just as much attention
as Ted Bundy.
767
00:42:18,405 --> 00:42:20,276
- How many do I have
to kill before I get
768
00:42:20,363 --> 00:42:23,062
my name in the paper or
some national attention?
769
00:42:23,149 --> 00:42:25,455
- That's a quote
that you don't forget.
770
00:42:25,543 --> 00:42:29,721
- [Susan Peters] After that,
Wichita was scared.
771
00:42:29,808 --> 00:42:31,418
- Jeffrey Dahmer is
17 years old
772
00:42:31,505 --> 00:42:33,942
and about to commit
his first murder.
773
00:42:33,986 --> 00:42:35,727
- [Safarik] Dahmer doesn't
want him to leave.
774
00:42:35,814 --> 00:42:37,555
And the only way
that he could figure out
775
00:42:37,642 --> 00:42:41,471
how to do this was with
massive blunt force trauma.
776
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:44,257
- I asked him if he was
the Green River killer.
777
00:42:44,344 --> 00:42:50,350
He said nothing,
just a plain blank look.
778
00:42:50,437 --> 00:42:55,137
I am the only survivor
of the Green River Killer.
779
00:42:55,181 --> 00:42:57,487
- Well if you kill 30 some
people and never get caught,
780
00:42:57,575 --> 00:42:59,925
you begin to think you're
never going to get caught.
781
00:43:00,012 --> 00:43:01,361
[Dave] He looks at me right
in the face and he says
782
00:43:01,448 --> 00:43:04,886
"you know Dave, clowns can
get away with murder."
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