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(BIRDS CHIRPING)
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(SCOOTER ENGINE RUMBLING)
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♪ (INTRIGUING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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JEFF SEIBERT:
She had the scooter.
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She was kind of, you know,
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"I'm gonna do what I wanna do
when I wanna do it."
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A young teen girl on a scooter
was uncommon,
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but it's this great image
of she's just breezing around
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this neighborhood
that she lived in.
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That was her kind of spirit.
Like, "I'm gonna go
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where I wanna go."
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TONY TOBLER: A scooter?
Like a moped?
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I know a lot of kids
in that neighborhood
did have those.
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But I don't remember her
having one.
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CORI TOBLER:
I don't remember a scooter.
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SHARON ROSE STEWARD:
From what I remember,
she was a fun, outgoing girl.
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She knew things about music
and makeup
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and her heels
and with her hair done.
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She was very much a girly girl.
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MARGIE PANDOS:
She was not a girly girl,
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not one to sit
and play with dolls.
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Rocks, and tadpoles, and shells,
and sand, she enjoyed.
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And she liked blue jeans
and the high-top Reeboks.
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Rugby shirts, she loved those.
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She was never really
an affectionate child.
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JEFF: I guess
empathetic is the right word.
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KERRIE CAMPBELL:
She's always nice
to people who didn't fit in.
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SHARON: I always thought
she was spoiled rotten.
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JEFF:
Kind of quiet.
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-TONY: She was outgoing
and carefree.
-CORI: She was just needy.
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MARGIE: Her disposition
was like most 15-year-olds,
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but her highs were higher,
and her lows were lower.
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RON PANDOS:
She was just a typical teenager.
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♪ (INTRIGUING MUSIC FADES) ♪
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STEPHEN PANDOS: Okay,
this is Jennifer's note.
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So this is a photocopy
of the note that was left
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when my sister disappeared.
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Jennifer was reported missing
in February of 1987.
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I was in college
in North Carolina,
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and for the first 22 years
of her disappearance,
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you know, uh,
everything I've been told,
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you know, was... was a lie.
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How I got all this information
was for years of trying to do
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the right thing by Jennifer.
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In 2014, I reached out
to an attorney in Williamsburg
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about whether I could sue
my parents, uh...
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for the death of my sister.
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Um, and it was not...
not about money.
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I don't want money,
or, you know, anything.
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I just wanted, you know,
a judge to say, uh,
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"You're responsible
and... and you did it."
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♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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(BIRDS CHIRPING)
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(CRICKETS CHIRPING)
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MARGIE: It was February,
it was cold.
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Stephen was away at school.
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You know, it was getting on
towards bedtime.
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Jenny.
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MARGIE: I asked Jennifer,
"Will you call
your grandmother?"
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Will you call your grandmother?
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MARGIE: "And pick up your room."
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And pick up your room?
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JENNIFER PANDOS, ACTOR: Okay,
I will after homework.
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MARGIE: She was most agreeable.
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She had her bed and there was
a chest of drawers.
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There was a big wicker
rocking chair.
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A dressing table,
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which had been
a family heirloom.
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For the most part,
she was orderly.
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You know,
I could see her right now.
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In her room, at the end
of her bed.
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In the panda night shirt.
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JENNIFER, ACTOR: I did, yeah.
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It was after fourth period,
before gym.
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Mm-hmm, okay.
So, I was thinking
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I'm gonna put a note
in his locker.
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Because I have to tell him.
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(BIRDS CALLING)
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MARGIE: That morning,
I went downstairs,
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not hearing her shower,
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and realizing, "Hmm,
she could have overslept."
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Jenny. Jennifer Lynn.
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MARGIE: And her door was locked.
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Jennifer, unlock this door.
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MARGIE: And you know,
here I am twisting the door
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and pushing on it
and pulling on it,
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and calling her name,
and not getting anything,
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and calling for Ron,
who's upstairs.
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Jennifer Lynn, open this-- Ron!
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God! What? Jesus Christ.
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MARGIE: And getting him
to come downstairs,
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and we finally get something
to push the lock open and...
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-(GRUNTS)
-MARGIE, ACTOR: Jenny.
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MARGIE: She's not there.
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Her coat was gone,
her handbag was gone.
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Her contact lens were there,
her retainer was there.
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And finding that note
at the end of her bed.
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It could have been on the bed
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it could have been
on the cedar chest,
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at the foot of her bed.
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But finding it there,
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that's...
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where my world ended.
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(CRICKETS CHIRPING)
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MARGIE:
When Jennifer disappeared,
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we were living in a townhome
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backed up to,
just a little finger,
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of what they call
Kingsmill Pond.
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Kingsmill was a gated community.
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Somebody that would have
picked her up
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would've had
to have come through the gate.
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If she were on her own,
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and could have gotten
to Highway 60,
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she could have been picked up
at the convenience store, or,
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you know, that's the road
to the brewery.
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There were probably trucks
running 24/7.
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Anything is possible.
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Ron filed the report
with the police
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that she was missing.
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They did what you'd call
a 'Missing Person Report.'
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I guess
it just went cold with them.
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I think they just thought
she was a runaway,
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and she would eventually show up
at a friend's house,
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or a grandparent,
or show back up at home.
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To me, there was nothing
much ever done.
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(CRICKETS CHIRPING)
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MARGIE: Ron and I would sit...
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at night on the stairs
looking out the window
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into the driveway
and the parking lot
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of the condo complex.
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Just watch for cars.
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It was days and nights
sitting by the phone.
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Just... sitting and waiting,
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and I'm still sitting
and waiting.
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(WIND HOWLING FAINTLY)
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♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC FADES) ♪
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♪ (POP SONG PLAYING
OVER CAR RADIO) ♪
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(CAR DOOR OPENING)
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(NEWS ANCHOR SPEAKING
INDISTINCTLY ON TV)
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PUNDIT: (ON TV)
Yeah, no. And I'd say
there's a big difference
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between Trump going
into election day
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in the mid-forties versus
the low forties...
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(CELL PHONE RINGING)
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STEPHEN: Sharon,
this is Stephen Pandos,
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I'm Jennifer's brother.
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I'm trying
to get to Williamsburg,
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here in the next few weeks,
and would like to meet you.
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Thanks very much.
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Sharon was the...
the girl who was on the phone
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with my sister
the night she disappeared.
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It's so weird saying that.
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Saying, "This is Stephen.
This is Jennifer's brother."
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I don't...
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I don't ever...
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have reason to say that really.
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(CAR ENGINE STARTING, RUMBLING)
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STEPHEN: I've been at this now
for almost ten years,
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trying to figure out the truth
and what happened to Jennifer.
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STEPHEN: I went to college
in the fall of '86.
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Jennifer disappeared
in February of '87.
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And what I remember
is getting a call from my mother
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and her asking me
if I had seen Jennifer.
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She thought
that she'd run away,
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and for whatever reason,
she may stop and see me,
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however
she was getting around.
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My mother was not hysterical
or frantic.
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It was very matter-of-fact.
I remember asking questions,
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and not getting
especially good answers.
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And when you tried to talk
about it with my mother,
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she would just kind
of shut it down.
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-SHARON: Hi.
-Hi.
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-Stephen.
-STEPHEN: Yeah, Sharon.
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-Nice to see you.
-Good to see you. You too.
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-STEPHEN: You too.
-Come on in.
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I believe I found--
This must have been...
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We were on our off time.
(LAUGHS)
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-STEPHEN: Yeah. (CHUCKLES)
-Look.
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But then we made up
because she was like...
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BOTH: "Thanks a lot, Sharon."
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She had a good sense
of humor about it.
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SHARON: She did.
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"Sharon, thanks for what you did
to my picture.
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You've been a great friend.
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And even though
we've had our ups and downs,
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we've pulled it through.
Gotta cruise.
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Love you, Jenn Pandos."
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Yeah, that's Jennifer, right?
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-(LAUGHS)
-STEPHEN: Yeah.
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And then in high school,
you were on the phone
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that night, that, you know,
when whatever happened.
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And... can you tell me
a little bit more about,
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you know, that conversation?
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-We--
-STEPHEN: What you remember?
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-We were talking...
-STEPHEN: Right.
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...and your dad
had opened the door,
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I could-- I knew he had
opened the door. And it was,
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-"Get off the phone."
-STEPHEN: Right. Yeah.
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And she was like, "Okay, Dad."
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-STEPHEN: Right.
-And he's like--
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Second time he came in.
It was the second or third time,
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and it was like,
"Get off the effing phone,"
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or the "GD phone."
I mean, it was--
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And it was a tone I'd never
heard your dad use before.
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Right.
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SHARON:
It was the way he yelled.
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-It can be intense. I mean--
-It was intense.
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-And like, "Okay, Ronald!"
-STEPHEN: Right.
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Or "Just a minute, Ronald."
Or some--
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I remember,
she called him Ronald.
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-STEPHEN: Oh, right.
And that just--
-And I'm like, "Oh, my God..."
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-STEPHEN: Yeah.
-"...he's going to kill you."
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-STEPHEN: Right.
-SHARON: That had to have been
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between, like,
nine and ten o'clock.
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So we hung up the phone,
"I'll see you tomorrow."
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And the next day.
I waited for her...
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-STEPHEN: Right.
-...and she didn't show.
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-So I called your house.
-STEPHEN: Right.
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And your mom told me
she was sick.
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-Right
-SHARON: Okay.
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Again, the second day...
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-STEPHEN: Yeah.
-...the same thing,
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I waited for her.
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She didn't show,
I called the house.
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And I think your mom had said,
she was out with your dad.
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-Right.
-And then it was the third day,
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your mom came to our house.
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And, um, I remember,
I was in the kitchen.
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And my mom
had answered the door,
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-and I heard your mom's voice.
-STEPHEN: Right.
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And I came around,
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and I was like, "Oh, my God,
what happened to Jennifer?"
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-Like, "Where's Jennifer?"
-STEPHEN: Mm-hmm. Right.
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And your mom was like,
"We don't know."
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She ran away. I'm like, "What?"
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You know,
"Have you heard from her?"
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"No, we hadn't heard from her."
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It wasn't the, you know,
the frantic mom, like,
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"Oh, my kid's missing,
what am I gonna do?"
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-Mm, no. No.
-Right? Right.
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I mean, Stephen,
she came in our--
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she came in the door.
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She kind of stood
in the foyer.
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-Right.
-She never took her coat off.
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I think I thought
at first she had run away.
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-STEPHEN: Right.
-And she that didn't tell me,
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and it's like,
"Who is this person?"
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-Like we share everything.
-She doesn't--
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-(SHARON CHUCKLES)
-Right, yeah.
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Exactly. You shared everything.
How would you--
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How would you not know
that she was having,
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you know, such problems
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that she would've felt
like she would need to run away?
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-Right.
-She didn't take anything.
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There was nothing missing
from her room.
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That's what I always said, like,
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she would have never left
with no clothes. (LAUGHS)
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I believe with, you know,
all that I am
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that my father is responsible.
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My mom had said
that was one of the first things
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I had said though.
"Her dad did something."
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I'm like, "I said that?"
She was like,
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"Yeah, you said that.
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'Her dad did something to her.'"
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(WIND HOWLING FAINTLY)
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RON, ACTOR:
Baby, listen, it's after 10:00.
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-JENNIFER, ACTOR: I know,
-And you know the rules?
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There's no calls after 10:00,
please get off the phone.
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No. No, no. No, no.
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That doesn't mean start
a whole new conversation.
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Okay, okay. Just give me
a second to say goodbye.
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What part of "get off
the goddamn phone"
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don't you understand?
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Fine, Ronald. I'll get off
the goddamn phone.
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Sharon, I'll talk
to you tomorrow.
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INTERVIEWER: Can you talk
about the dynamics
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in your household?
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Yeah, my father was the heavy.
Yeah, for sure.
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What I remember is just
always walking on eggshells.
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My parents divorced
in the mid to late '90s.
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My father sold
his accounting practice,
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and moved to Texas.
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I don't have a relationship
with my father now clearly,
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and didn't really before.
He scares me.
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And Jennifer and I,
dealt with my father
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very differently.
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Where she would fight back.
I was just,
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"Give it to me
and let me get out of here."
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We were three and a half,
four years apart,
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in really different orbits.
I was rarely at home.
291
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I was always at the golf course,
or always with friends.
292
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And Jennifer was spending
weekends away from the house.
293
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And I think
it was a survival technique.
294
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Because being at home
just didn't feel safe.
295
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My mother
never protected my sister
296
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or me from my father, ever.
297
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When my father would get angry
and violent,
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my mother, she stayed away.
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MARGIE: That looks like
a school picture for Stephen,
300
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but that's probably
just a JCPenney snapshot,
301
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or something of her.
302
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Stephen has made it his mission
to convict his father.
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And that's fine if Ron did it.
304
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But because I can't say
that Ron did it.
305
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He basically told me,
306
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he never wanted
to speak to me again.
307
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I don't have a relationship
with my grandchildren
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because of this.
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Believe me, if I had the answers
I'd give them to him.
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But I don't.
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♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC FADES) ♪
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INTERVIEWER:
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I think that the, um...
the police department
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doesn't wanna
put any more resources
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into this.
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They think it might be like
a deathbed confession,
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you know, kind of thing.
318
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I-- I don't understand why...
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why there's not more effort
put into finishing something
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that they seem
to be so close on.
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WENDI REED: My name
is Sergeant Wendi Reed,
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I'm with the James City
County Police Department,
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and I was assigned
this case in 2006
324
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when I became an investigator.
325
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I was working on patrol.
326
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In one of our hallways
was a bulletin board,
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and on that
was a missing person flyer
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for Jennifer Pandos.
329
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She had disappeared
330
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and had never been seen
or heard from since.
331
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That kind of sparked
my interest.
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♪ (INTRIGUING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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WENDI: When I got the case,
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not much had been done on it
for probably about 18 years,
335
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because the case file
336
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had gone missing
from the police department.
337
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And there had been no contact
with Margie or Ron Pandos.
338
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Because we didn't have
that original case file.
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We had no idea
340
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when the family reported
the crime,
341
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who was listed as suspects
or who was interviewed.
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So starting from scratch
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was my only option
at that point.
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I started out just trying
to find out about Jennifer
345
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through her friends.
346
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People's past behavior
is usually a good indication
347
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of what they're gonna do
in the future.
348
00:17:49,573 --> 00:17:54,076
So knowing a lot about Jennifer
and how she was as a person
349
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could lead us
to what happened to her.
350
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I'm Cori Tobler.
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And I'm her husband,
Tony Tobler.
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INTERVIEWER:
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I knew her
from elementary school.
354
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She would come and spend
the night at our house with us.
355
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And I met her I think
356
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just coming to a new school,
meeting people.
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INTERVIEWER:
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Yes.
359
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INTERVIEWER:
360
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Started dating,
dated for a couple months.
361
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A group of us were friends,
so it just happened.
362
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I think whatever happened
with her was February,
363
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and her and I stopped dating
the summer before that.
364
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-Very high school. (LAUGHS)
-Yeah.
365
00:18:44,494 --> 00:18:46,298
Yeah. Very, very high school.
366
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CORI: She had no fear.
367
00:18:48,332 --> 00:18:49,564
I don't feel
like she ever had fear.
368
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Like I just thought
she left with somebody.
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TONY: Yeah, like, just ran away.
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She is that person who--
"Oh, I could pull that off."
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Like, you know, I just-- "Wow,
she really did pull it off."
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WENDI: As I was investigating
this case,
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I got in contact
with Cori Tobler.
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She had spoken
about a Kerry Hendrix
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that was an older man
that Jennifer had babysat for.
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He would provide them
with alcohol.
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00:19:14,791 --> 00:19:17,859
He would buy us, um,
alcohol if we wanted it.
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INTERVIEWER: What do you think
about that situation?
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Then? No, I thought
it was awesome. It was cool.
380
00:19:22,633 --> 00:19:24,800
You know, somebody
was letting us do
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what we wanted or whatever.
382
00:19:25,703 --> 00:19:27,302
-But now?
-Yeah. Now you're older
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-and you have your own kids...
-Yeah, I wouldn't do that.
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I wouldn't want my daughter
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babysitting for somebody
like him either, so...
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WENDI: I ran a criminal history
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and found that he had
numerous convictions for crimes
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that were fairly violent
towards women.
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♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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WENDI: In March of 1990,
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he was charged
with attempt to commit rape.
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He was also charged
with felony kidnapping.
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He would be a very good suspect
to look into.
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INTERVIEWER:
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00:19:58,302 --> 00:20:00,668
I was not able
to locate Kerry Hendrix
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00:20:00,737 --> 00:20:03,708
when I had the case in order
to speak with him in person.
397
00:20:04,776 --> 00:20:07,242
(CRICKETS CHIRPING)
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WENDI:
When we're investigating cases,
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00:20:08,746 --> 00:20:11,750
we have to keep
an open mind to everything.
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00:20:12,749 --> 00:20:15,250
I interviewed Margie
at her home.
401
00:20:15,319 --> 00:20:17,047
Margie advised me
that she believed
402
00:20:17,116 --> 00:20:18,982
that Tony Tobler
had something to do
403
00:20:19,051 --> 00:20:20,756
with her daughter's
disappearance.
404
00:20:20,825 --> 00:20:23,125
When I asked her why,
she said that,
405
00:20:23,194 --> 00:20:24,359
she wasn't really sure,
406
00:20:24,428 --> 00:20:26,462
he had been involved
in martial arts,
407
00:20:26,531 --> 00:20:28,429
but she had never seen him
408
00:20:28,498 --> 00:20:31,231
be violent
towards Jennifer at all.
409
00:20:33,103 --> 00:20:34,770
If you become closed-minded
410
00:20:34,839 --> 00:20:37,539
and believe this is strictly
a runaway,
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00:20:37,608 --> 00:20:40,779
you've failed to see things
that are right in front of you.
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♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC FADES) ♪
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WENDI: Now, this is the note.
On March 10th, 2007,
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00:20:55,892 --> 00:20:59,094
I had gone down to Charlotte
to speak with Margie Pandos,
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we had her fill out
a questionnaire,
416
00:21:01,532 --> 00:21:05,570
and one of the questions stated
something to the effect of...
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00:21:07,104 --> 00:21:08,603
"Are you hiding anything
418
00:21:08,672 --> 00:21:11,473
that is pertinent
to this investigation?"
419
00:21:11,542 --> 00:21:14,175
And she got to that question,
and had her pen on the paper
420
00:21:14,244 --> 00:21:15,711
and she sat there
for a little bit
421
00:21:15,780 --> 00:21:18,041
and then looked up at me
and said,
422
00:21:18,110 --> 00:21:19,851
"Well, I have the note
if you want it."
423
00:21:20,885 --> 00:21:21,982
I was like, "Yeah."
424
00:21:22,051 --> 00:21:25,120
That was the first opportunity
I ever had to really see
425
00:21:25,189 --> 00:21:27,389
what was said in the note.
426
00:21:27,458 --> 00:21:29,758
The handwriting
was very messy.
427
00:21:29,827 --> 00:21:31,993
It appeared
as if someone wrote it
428
00:21:32,062 --> 00:21:33,890
with their non-dominant hand.
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00:21:33,959 --> 00:21:35,130
♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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STEPHEN: "Mr. and Mrs. Pandos,
your daughter is with me.
431
00:21:37,634 --> 00:21:41,236
She is fine. She is having
some problems though.
432
00:21:41,305 --> 00:21:43,338
She needs some time away
from this place.
433
00:21:43,407 --> 00:21:45,040
Three to five days max.
434
00:21:45,109 --> 00:21:48,576
She is like a daughter to me,
and I'm like a dad to her.
435
00:21:48,645 --> 00:21:50,511
Here are some
of Jennifer's quotes,
436
00:21:50,580 --> 00:21:53,548
'I'm fine.
I just need time to think.
437
00:21:53,617 --> 00:21:55,450
Both of you, please go
to work tomorrow
438
00:21:55,519 --> 00:21:59,121
because I will try to call you.
I won't call at home,
439
00:21:59,190 --> 00:22:01,223
only at one of y'all's work.
440
00:22:01,292 --> 00:22:03,525
Cancel my doctor's appointment
on Friday.
441
00:22:03,594 --> 00:22:05,595
Please put money
into my bank account.
442
00:22:05,664 --> 00:22:07,262
Do not call the police.
443
00:22:07,331 --> 00:22:09,264
I can easily find out
if you do.
444
00:22:09,333 --> 00:22:12,567
And if you do,
I may never come back home.
445
00:22:12,636 --> 00:22:14,602
Don't tell my friends
about this.
446
00:22:14,671 --> 00:22:17,676
Just tell them I'm sick.
Please do what I've asked.'"
447
00:22:20,311 --> 00:22:21,646
And that's the end of it.
448
00:22:22,479 --> 00:22:24,012
During that conversation,
449
00:22:24,081 --> 00:22:25,513
Margie advised me that
450
00:22:25,582 --> 00:22:27,878
the last time Jennifer
had been seen
451
00:22:27,947 --> 00:22:30,385
was February 9th of 1987.
452
00:22:30,454 --> 00:22:33,988
She and Ron waited until Friday,
February 13th,
453
00:22:34,057 --> 00:22:37,529
to call the police department
to report Jennifer missing.
454
00:22:38,529 --> 00:22:39,594
We really don't know
455
00:22:39,663 --> 00:22:41,864
what happened
in those three days.
456
00:22:41,933 --> 00:22:44,266
Ron has told us
that he hung up flyers
457
00:22:44,335 --> 00:22:46,601
at her school
and talked to her friends,
458
00:22:46,670 --> 00:22:49,238
but I have yet to find
a friend that has said
459
00:22:49,307 --> 00:22:51,539
that they saw any fliers
460
00:22:51,608 --> 00:22:53,942
or that they talked
to him at all.
461
00:22:54,011 --> 00:22:56,711
At one point, Ron said
he went up to Pennsylvania
462
00:22:56,780 --> 00:23:00,748
to tell Jennifer's grandmother
that she had run away.
463
00:23:00,817 --> 00:23:03,818
At some point, they say
they both stayed home.
464
00:23:03,887 --> 00:23:06,688
At other points, they say
they both went to work.
465
00:23:06,757 --> 00:23:08,484
When I asked Margie
why she did that,
466
00:23:08,553 --> 00:23:12,227
she told me that the note said
she needed to go to work,
467
00:23:12,296 --> 00:23:13,562
so that's what she did.
468
00:23:13,631 --> 00:23:15,730
I then asked her
about the statement
469
00:23:15,799 --> 00:23:18,601
in the note about putting
the money they owe Jennifer
470
00:23:18,670 --> 00:23:19,802
into a bank account.
471
00:23:19,871 --> 00:23:21,837
And she couldn't give me
a reason
472
00:23:21,906 --> 00:23:23,973
why they went to work
like the note said,
473
00:23:24,042 --> 00:23:26,574
but didn't put any money
into Jennifer's account,
474
00:23:26,643 --> 00:23:29,377
like the note
instructed them to do.
475
00:23:29,446 --> 00:23:31,580
With all
the conflicting stories,
476
00:23:31,649 --> 00:23:33,848
our suspicions started
to move towards
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00:23:33,917 --> 00:23:36,852
Ron and Margie Pandos
knowing more about this case
478
00:23:36,921 --> 00:23:39,124
than what they were disclosing
to us.
479
00:23:43,293 --> 00:23:45,526
♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC FADES) ♪
480
00:23:45,595 --> 00:23:51,904
I am Karen Lichtin,
and I am Stephen's girlfriend.
481
00:23:53,370 --> 00:23:56,841
S-- You know, life partner.
482
00:23:57,541 --> 00:23:59,508
Whatever you wanna call it.
483
00:23:59,577 --> 00:24:01,410
INTERVIEWER:
484
00:24:01,479 --> 00:24:03,878
Uh, four years,
a little over four years.
485
00:24:03,947 --> 00:24:08,951
We met through a mutual friend
and went out. And then,
486
00:24:09,020 --> 00:24:11,586
I think maybe a week later
went on a second date.
487
00:24:11,655 --> 00:24:16,791
And on that date was sort of
when he told me everything.
488
00:24:16,860 --> 00:24:20,295
When you're older and dating,
you know, you just--
489
00:24:20,364 --> 00:24:21,731
You don't play games.
You just sort of
490
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,132
lay it all out there
on the table.
491
00:24:23,201 --> 00:24:28,603
So we both sort of aired
the... the issues in our life.
492
00:24:28,672 --> 00:24:32,942
Stephen's previous marriage
was not a great one.
493
00:24:33,011 --> 00:24:35,343
But he had
two amazing daughters.
494
00:24:35,412 --> 00:24:39,242
He adores them. There's nothing
he wouldn't do for them.
495
00:24:39,311 --> 00:24:41,149
And I'm sure
it crosses his mind.
496
00:24:41,218 --> 00:24:44,086
They're around the same age
as his sister was
497
00:24:44,155 --> 00:24:45,754
when she disappeared.
498
00:24:45,823 --> 00:24:50,358
He has this horrible thing
he's dealing with.
499
00:24:50,427 --> 00:24:51,927
I try and understand it.
500
00:24:51,996 --> 00:24:55,665
I don't know
if I can fully explain it
501
00:24:55,734 --> 00:24:57,098
'cause I'm not
in that head of his,
502
00:24:57,167 --> 00:25:00,735
which sometimes I wish I was,
but I'll say,
503
00:25:00,804 --> 00:25:03,838
"You know, it's not really
your responsibility
504
00:25:03,907 --> 00:25:07,947
to solve this case,"
but he's doing the best he can.
505
00:25:10,747 --> 00:25:13,783
DONNIE NORRELL: I think
this is a very solvable case.
506
00:25:13,852 --> 00:25:15,917
I retired
from Norfolk Police Department
507
00:25:15,986 --> 00:25:16,885
in 2003.
508
00:25:16,954 --> 00:25:18,586
-I was there 26 years.
-Oh, wow.
509
00:25:18,655 --> 00:25:21,089
And I did a little over
ten years in homicide.
510
00:25:21,158 --> 00:25:23,125
BRUCE WHITE: And I was
in homicide for eight years,
511
00:25:23,194 --> 00:25:25,460
and I've worked a lot
of cold cases,
and a lot of stuff.
512
00:25:25,529 --> 00:25:26,561
There are a couple of things
513
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:27,963
-that I have to ask you.
-STEPHEN: Sure.
514
00:25:28,032 --> 00:25:29,531
BRUCE: Just to get it
on the record here.
515
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,067
-STEPHEN: Yeah.
-Did you kill your sister?
516
00:25:31,136 --> 00:25:32,301
No.
517
00:25:32,370 --> 00:25:34,002
Do you know
who killed your sister?
518
00:25:34,071 --> 00:25:35,837
STEPHEN: I believe
that my father did.
519
00:25:35,906 --> 00:25:38,373
Tell us a little bit
about your father.
520
00:25:38,442 --> 00:25:41,643
He suffers from post traumatic
stress disorder from Vietnam.
521
00:25:41,712 --> 00:25:44,145
Very, very short-tempered,
can be violent.
522
00:25:44,214 --> 00:25:47,516
-BRUCE: Did he ever spank you?
-Or worse, yeah.
523
00:25:47,585 --> 00:25:48,784
What do you mean, "Or worse"?
524
00:25:48,853 --> 00:25:51,552
Uh, hit, kick, choked.
525
00:25:51,621 --> 00:25:53,856
BRUCE: What would fire
your father up the most?
526
00:25:53,925 --> 00:25:55,657
STEPHEN: In that situation
with my sister
527
00:25:55,726 --> 00:25:57,993
probably that night,
just being disrespectful.
528
00:25:58,062 --> 00:26:00,396
And if she had smarted off
at him,
529
00:26:00,465 --> 00:26:01,930
you know, if he's--
530
00:26:01,999 --> 00:26:04,567
It's February, you know,
and he's an accountant
531
00:26:04,636 --> 00:26:05,867
in tax season,
532
00:26:05,936 --> 00:26:09,604
he'd probably been working
120 hours a week.
533
00:26:09,673 --> 00:26:11,843
Why are you so consumed
about this?
534
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:13,909
STEPHEN:
Because it's only right.
535
00:26:13,978 --> 00:26:16,944
And Jennifer,
she deserves better.
536
00:26:17,013 --> 00:26:20,315
This is getting to the point
where it's gonna come down
537
00:26:20,384 --> 00:26:24,787
-to probably someone talking
or admitting to something.
-Right.
538
00:26:24,856 --> 00:26:28,190
Would your mom be open
to an interview?
539
00:26:28,259 --> 00:26:29,257
I bet she would.
540
00:26:29,326 --> 00:26:32,661
I can tell you this,
there are a couple suspects
541
00:26:32,730 --> 00:26:33,996
outside of the family.
542
00:26:34,065 --> 00:26:35,964
-Hmm.
-Okay? The boyfriend,
543
00:26:36,033 --> 00:26:39,101
and then there was a guy
that she babysitted for,
544
00:26:39,170 --> 00:26:41,364
I think his name was Hendrix
or something.
545
00:26:41,433 --> 00:26:44,206
-Yeah.
-And that guy had a bad record.
546
00:26:44,275 --> 00:26:47,743
In fact, he got arrested
for some abductions
547
00:26:47,812 --> 00:26:50,178
-and some stuff later on.
-Right.
548
00:26:50,247 --> 00:26:54,149
The thing that I can't get over
is the note.
549
00:26:54,218 --> 00:26:56,318
Who is this mystery man
that wrote the letter.
550
00:26:56,387 --> 00:26:59,555
None of her friends
know anything about this man
551
00:26:59,624 --> 00:27:01,556
that's "like a daddy to me."
552
00:27:01,625 --> 00:27:04,759
-But nobody knows,
not even her best friends know.
-STEPHEN: Right.
553
00:27:04,828 --> 00:27:09,565
And then for the handwriting
to be disguised.
554
00:27:09,634 --> 00:27:11,233
And the personal information...
555
00:27:11,302 --> 00:27:13,635
Look, you're running away
from home, okay?
556
00:27:13,704 --> 00:27:14,970
STEPHEN: Right.
And you don't take anything.
557
00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:16,437
And you don't take anything.
558
00:27:16,506 --> 00:27:18,873
-Who gives a crap
about some money going...
-That's right.
559
00:27:18,942 --> 00:27:21,710
...in your account or cancelling
your doctor's appointments?
560
00:27:21,779 --> 00:27:24,245
I mean, if something
doesn't smell right
561
00:27:24,314 --> 00:27:25,915
-it's not right.
-STEPHEN: Right. That's right.
562
00:27:25,984 --> 00:27:27,516
-You know?
-BRUCE: It's gotta make sense.
563
00:27:27,585 --> 00:27:28,951
It's gotta make sense.
564
00:27:29,020 --> 00:27:32,153
♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
565
00:27:32,222 --> 00:27:34,522
YOUNG MARGIE:
"Dear Mr. and Mrs. Pandos..."
566
00:27:34,591 --> 00:27:37,592
"Your daughter is with me.
She's fine.
567
00:27:37,661 --> 00:27:39,261
She's having
some problems, though.
568
00:27:39,330 --> 00:27:42,434
She needs some time away
from this place."
569
00:27:43,668 --> 00:27:45,667
♪ (SOMBER MUSIC FADES) ♪
570
00:27:45,736 --> 00:27:47,269
INTERVIEWER:
571
00:27:47,338 --> 00:27:49,308
I've never, physically...
572
00:27:51,276 --> 00:27:52,173
seen...
573
00:27:52,242 --> 00:27:54,609
But it's just weird how,
you know, it starts off,
574
00:27:54,678 --> 00:27:58,951
"Mr. and Mrs. Pandos,"
and then there's quotes.
575
00:28:00,719 --> 00:28:01,717
STEPHEN: If Jennifer wrote it,
576
00:28:01,786 --> 00:28:04,486
why would she dictate this
577
00:28:04,555 --> 00:28:06,422
-to someone else to...
-Right.
578
00:28:06,491 --> 00:28:07,722
...to write it?
579
00:28:07,791 --> 00:28:09,792
But it's also like,
the way I see this.
580
00:28:09,861 --> 00:28:11,860
There's like a lot
of scratching out.
581
00:28:11,929 --> 00:28:13,496
STEPHEN: Right,
you're trying to come up
582
00:28:13,565 --> 00:28:14,796
with a story on the fly.
583
00:28:14,865 --> 00:28:16,632
-Yeah, or you're like--
-At the end of something,
584
00:28:16,701 --> 00:28:18,567
whatever horrible just happened.
585
00:28:18,636 --> 00:28:20,901
And you're trying
to piece this together.
586
00:28:20,970 --> 00:28:24,472
The premise that an adult
is gonna go into someone's home
587
00:28:24,541 --> 00:28:27,943
in the middle of the night,
and help someone run away
588
00:28:28,012 --> 00:28:30,215
in Kingsmill, of all places.
589
00:28:31,215 --> 00:28:32,342
You know?
590
00:28:32,411 --> 00:28:35,354
♪ (INTRIGUING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
591
00:28:36,488 --> 00:28:37,822
It's crazy.
592
00:28:40,624 --> 00:28:44,126
This was the main thing
for me. This note.
593
00:28:44,195 --> 00:28:47,757
My name is Kenneth Morris,
and I was called in
594
00:28:47,826 --> 00:28:50,399
as a criminal profiler
with the Virginia State Police.
595
00:28:50,468 --> 00:28:54,570
Well, as a profiler, what I do
is go to a crime scene,
596
00:28:54,639 --> 00:28:56,105
and then tell investigators
597
00:28:56,174 --> 00:28:59,440
what type of personality
committed that offense.
598
00:28:59,509 --> 00:29:02,377
With this case here, of course,
there was no crime scene.
599
00:29:02,446 --> 00:29:05,381
I looked at the letter
that was left in her bedroom.
600
00:29:05,450 --> 00:29:07,349
And by reading that,
601
00:29:07,418 --> 00:29:10,385
I was able to come up
with a profile.
602
00:29:10,454 --> 00:29:13,055
There's intimate knowledge
contained within that note.
603
00:29:13,124 --> 00:29:15,023
Doctor's appointments,
bank accounts,
604
00:29:15,092 --> 00:29:17,860
things that only Jennifer
or someone who knows Jennifer,
605
00:29:17,929 --> 00:29:20,523
would be familiar with.
It's pretty much,
606
00:29:20,592 --> 00:29:23,265
"I'm leaving
with a father figure.
607
00:29:23,334 --> 00:29:26,869
I'll come back,
I'll contact you in a few days."
608
00:29:26,938 --> 00:29:29,938
It's written
to delay the investigation.
609
00:29:30,007 --> 00:29:31,273
It's not realistic.
610
00:29:31,342 --> 00:29:34,410
It's something you might see
in a Nancy Drew
611
00:29:34,479 --> 00:29:36,679
or Murder, She Wrote.
612
00:29:36,748 --> 00:29:39,181
STEPHEN: When I spoke
to Ken Morris,
613
00:29:39,250 --> 00:29:42,685
he said that was one
of the most ridiculous things
614
00:29:42,754 --> 00:29:44,614
he's ever seen
in law enforcement,
615
00:29:44,683 --> 00:29:46,956
and that it was consistent
with staging,
616
00:29:47,025 --> 00:29:49,925
which I totally believe.
617
00:29:49,994 --> 00:29:52,255
Yeah, I better put
my glasses on.
618
00:29:52,324 --> 00:29:53,228
"The leaving of a note
619
00:29:53,297 --> 00:29:55,564
in a missing person case
is unusual.
620
00:29:55,633 --> 00:30:00,135
Typically, its only purpose
is to explain the disappearance.
621
00:30:00,204 --> 00:30:02,270
If the absence is by force,
622
00:30:02,339 --> 00:30:05,575
the message will be a demand
for some type of ransom
623
00:30:05,644 --> 00:30:06,809
or action needed
624
00:30:06,878 --> 00:30:08,643
for the safe return
of the victim."
625
00:30:08,712 --> 00:30:10,712
-♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
-"Mr. and Mrs. Pandos,
626
00:30:10,781 --> 00:30:12,782
your daughter is with me,
she is fine."
627
00:30:12,851 --> 00:30:14,216
KENNETH MORRIS:
"It is my opinion
628
00:30:14,285 --> 00:30:17,286
that Jennifer had nothing to do
with the creation of the letter.
629
00:30:17,355 --> 00:30:20,455
It is rare for a teenage girl
to run away from home
630
00:30:20,524 --> 00:30:23,328
without previous warnings
of her intentions.
631
00:30:24,362 --> 00:30:25,227
Awkward wording,
632
00:30:25,296 --> 00:30:27,829
and the use of quotes
highly suggest
633
00:30:27,898 --> 00:30:29,798
Jennifer's contribution
was absent
634
00:30:29,867 --> 00:30:31,870
during the formation
of the letter.
635
00:30:33,337 --> 00:30:36,271
There's no evidence to the claim
of a devoted stranger.
636
00:30:36,340 --> 00:30:38,807
No close friends
were aware of this man,
637
00:30:38,876 --> 00:30:40,508
and the writing style suggests
638
00:30:40,577 --> 00:30:44,413
a distant, emotionally-detached,
loveless writer.
639
00:30:44,482 --> 00:30:46,381
The inclusion
of personal information
640
00:30:46,450 --> 00:30:48,884
in the letter,
suggests the writer had
641
00:30:48,953 --> 00:30:51,419
an extremely close
relationship to Jennifer.
642
00:30:51,488 --> 00:30:54,657
It can thereby be averred
that the letter
643
00:30:54,726 --> 00:30:56,358
is an instrument created
644
00:30:56,427 --> 00:30:59,460
to facilitate
a staged crime scene.
645
00:30:59,529 --> 00:31:02,865
Based on this premise,
your most plausible offender
646
00:31:02,934 --> 00:31:06,005
would be one
or both of the parents."
647
00:31:08,906 --> 00:31:10,872
WENDI: In August of 2007,
648
00:31:10,941 --> 00:31:14,444
we sent the note
for handwriting analysis.
649
00:31:14,513 --> 00:31:15,945
Jennifer, Ron,
650
00:31:16,014 --> 00:31:18,747
and another individual
were ruled out.
651
00:31:18,816 --> 00:31:21,449
Margie, the mom,
was not eliminated
652
00:31:21,518 --> 00:31:24,223
as being the producer
of that handwriting.
653
00:31:25,890 --> 00:31:27,156
KAREN LICHTIN:
What are your thoughts
654
00:31:27,225 --> 00:31:29,725
on what makes the most sense
out of all this?
655
00:31:29,794 --> 00:31:32,597
(HESITATES)
I think that my father...
656
00:31:34,098 --> 00:31:35,964
basically threatened my mother.
657
00:31:36,033 --> 00:31:38,137
-And made her write it.
-And made her write it.
658
00:31:40,971 --> 00:31:44,339
As an investigator,
I just feel that this right here
659
00:31:44,408 --> 00:31:48,343
is the key to the whole case.
And that this note
660
00:31:48,412 --> 00:31:53,181
is what's gonna lead
to this case being solved.
661
00:31:53,250 --> 00:31:57,986
Even in suicide notes, like,
if I was to commit suicide,
662
00:31:58,055 --> 00:32:00,422
and I left a note here,
663
00:32:00,491 --> 00:32:02,758
the police would come in,
take the note,
664
00:32:02,827 --> 00:32:04,126
stick it in plastic,
665
00:32:04,195 --> 00:32:07,396
where they could protect
any fingerprints.
666
00:32:07,465 --> 00:32:09,565
They would make a copy
of the note,
667
00:32:09,634 --> 00:32:11,233
and put a copy in the file,
668
00:32:11,302 --> 00:32:14,303
and the original note
would be put in evidence.
669
00:32:14,372 --> 00:32:17,576
♪ (INTRIGUING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
670
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:21,042
INTERVIEWER: What was going
through your mind
671
00:32:21,111 --> 00:32:22,714
when Margie produced that note?
672
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:24,313
I couldn't believe it.
673
00:32:24,382 --> 00:32:27,415
I didn't think
this note existed anymore.
674
00:32:27,484 --> 00:32:29,980
The former investigator
that worked this case said,
675
00:32:30,049 --> 00:32:33,488
that the original note
was in the original case file
676
00:32:33,557 --> 00:32:36,625
and that he had never given
that back to the Pandos family.
677
00:32:36,694 --> 00:32:39,594
There was no logical reason
why Margie should have had it.
678
00:32:39,663 --> 00:32:44,136
So when she gave it to me,
I was kind of floored by that.
679
00:32:45,269 --> 00:32:47,836
DONNIE: So one of the mysteries
of this case is,
680
00:32:47,905 --> 00:32:49,605
the missing case file.
681
00:32:49,674 --> 00:32:51,040
And in 2006,
682
00:32:51,109 --> 00:32:54,142
there were two detectives
assigned to the cold case.
683
00:32:54,211 --> 00:32:56,211
And that was investigator
Wendi Reed
684
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,914
and Sergeant Jeff Vellines.
685
00:32:58,983 --> 00:33:01,783
So, I guess
Jeff contacts Margie,
686
00:33:01,852 --> 00:33:06,454
and Margie has somehow located
a set of dental records,
687
00:33:06,523 --> 00:33:08,556
which were supposedly
turned over,
688
00:33:08,625 --> 00:33:12,495
according to the dentist,
to James City Police.
689
00:33:12,564 --> 00:33:13,561
So that's two items
690
00:33:13,630 --> 00:33:17,499
that were initially
in possession of the police.
691
00:33:17,568 --> 00:33:21,170
And I got to believe
that Jeff's thinking,
692
00:33:21,239 --> 00:33:23,072
"What the hell's going on?
693
00:33:23,141 --> 00:33:26,842
How the heck is this evidence
getting from our files
694
00:33:26,911 --> 00:33:29,344
to the family?"
695
00:33:29,413 --> 00:33:31,213
-Hey, how you doing?
-JEFF VELLINES:
Hey, how are you?
696
00:33:31,282 --> 00:33:32,648
-Good. Jeff?
-Good.
697
00:33:32,717 --> 00:33:33,815
Jeff, Jeff Vellines.
698
00:33:33,884 --> 00:33:35,050
DONNIE: Hi, Jeff.
Donnie Norrell.
699
00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:38,186
Nice to meet you, Donnie.
Come on in the house.
700
00:33:38,255 --> 00:33:41,885
I understand that you picked
this case up as a cold case.
701
00:33:41,954 --> 00:33:44,059
You weren't
the original investigator on it,
702
00:33:44,128 --> 00:33:45,393
-right.
-Right?
703
00:33:45,462 --> 00:33:49,297
We started in the process
of cold case investigations.
704
00:33:49,366 --> 00:33:53,034
At that point, I needed the file
and the file was missing.
705
00:33:53,103 --> 00:33:54,503
DONNIE: Hmm.
706
00:33:54,572 --> 00:33:57,305
VELLINES: And that gave me
great concern.
707
00:33:57,374 --> 00:34:00,876
There's no question in my mind,
the file disappeared
708
00:34:00,945 --> 00:34:02,344
from the police department.
709
00:34:02,413 --> 00:34:05,414
But when Margie produced
those X-rays and stuff...
710
00:34:05,483 --> 00:34:07,282
-VELLINES: Right.
-...you knew at that point--
711
00:34:07,351 --> 00:34:09,617
Going in the back of my mind,
I'm thinking,
712
00:34:09,686 --> 00:34:12,755
"Okay, this is my probable cause
that's kicking in."
713
00:34:12,824 --> 00:34:14,121
Right. Right.
714
00:34:14,190 --> 00:34:16,925
I placed a call
to the Commonwealth Attorney's
Office of Virginia.
715
00:34:16,994 --> 00:34:18,526
Hmm. Here.
716
00:34:18,595 --> 00:34:20,929
And I said, "I think
I've got enough probable cause
717
00:34:20,998 --> 00:34:22,767
to get a search warrant
for her house,
718
00:34:23,767 --> 00:34:25,367
because we're getting
the dental records,
719
00:34:25,436 --> 00:34:27,472
we're getting this,
we're getting that,"
720
00:34:28,072 --> 00:34:29,204
and I was denied.
721
00:34:29,273 --> 00:34:31,373
What would you
have been looking for?
722
00:34:31,442 --> 00:34:33,108
I'd have been looking
for the case file.
723
00:34:33,177 --> 00:34:35,043
DONNIE: Okay.
724
00:34:35,112 --> 00:34:38,580
And you believe
she possessed the case file?
725
00:34:38,649 --> 00:34:39,581
I believe she did.
726
00:34:39,650 --> 00:34:42,418
Did you ever find
the original file?
727
00:34:42,487 --> 00:34:43,455
No.
728
00:34:44,255 --> 00:34:45,387
-Well, thank you again.
-Yes, sir.
729
00:34:45,456 --> 00:34:46,388
-I appreciate it.
-Thank you.
730
00:34:46,457 --> 00:34:47,822
-Good meeting you.
-You too.
731
00:34:47,891 --> 00:34:50,295
-♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
-VELLINES: I'll walk you out.
732
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:55,263
DONNIE: So talking
to Sergeant Vellines,
733
00:34:55,332 --> 00:34:57,699
both of us had a little bit
of suspicion
734
00:34:57,768 --> 00:35:02,605
that something nefarious
may have happened to the file,
735
00:35:02,674 --> 00:35:04,306
and his theory was
736
00:35:04,375 --> 00:35:08,143
that Ron had been golf buddies
or friends
737
00:35:08,212 --> 00:35:10,678
with the chief of security
at Kingsmill,
738
00:35:10,747 --> 00:35:12,880
and that's where Ron lived
at the time.
739
00:35:12,949 --> 00:35:17,052
And the chief of security's wife
was actually a secretary
740
00:35:17,121 --> 00:35:19,754
for James City County
Police Department.
741
00:35:19,823 --> 00:35:22,257
They thought some arrangements
had been made
742
00:35:22,326 --> 00:35:25,360
between the three of them
for her to obtain the file
743
00:35:25,429 --> 00:35:26,862
and remove it
from the police department,
744
00:35:26,931 --> 00:35:30,733
so Ron could actually see
what the police knew,
745
00:35:30,802 --> 00:35:32,771
and what the police
had in the file.
746
00:35:41,546 --> 00:35:42,614
DONNIE: Mm-hmm.
747
00:35:44,215 --> 00:35:45,550
DONNIE: Yeah.
748
00:35:47,447 --> 00:35:48,487
Yeah.
749
00:35:58,797 --> 00:35:59,764
Yeah.
750
00:36:00,699 --> 00:36:01,766
Right.
751
00:36:06,437 --> 00:36:09,738
♪ (TENSE MUSIC FADES) ♪
752
00:36:09,807 --> 00:36:14,914
INTERVIEWER:
753
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,112
Nothing.
754
00:36:17,181 --> 00:36:20,352
That I could tell
from our end, you know?
755
00:36:20,885 --> 00:36:21,954
Uh...
756
00:36:23,855 --> 00:36:29,357
INTERVIEWER:
757
00:36:29,426 --> 00:36:32,695
Well, the speculation
is that Ron has it,
758
00:36:32,764 --> 00:36:33,963
or did have it.
759
00:36:34,032 --> 00:36:36,631
And I've never really known him
to throw away anything.
760
00:36:36,700 --> 00:36:39,501
So he probably still
has it somewhere.
761
00:36:39,570 --> 00:36:41,506
I've never come across it here.
762
00:36:42,974 --> 00:36:48,208
INTERVIEWER:
763
00:36:48,708 --> 00:36:51,951
Hmm. No, I don't.
764
00:36:53,585 --> 00:36:54,719
Um...
765
00:36:56,087 --> 00:36:57,756
There's, you know...
766
00:37:01,625 --> 00:37:04,496
the speculation
that he killed her.
767
00:37:05,730 --> 00:37:07,462
Uh...
768
00:37:07,531 --> 00:37:10,332
And if he did,
I'm assuming that that's why
769
00:37:10,401 --> 00:37:13,638
he wanted it to see
if they were, you know...
770
00:37:14,872 --> 00:37:17,376
looking at him as a suspect.
771
00:37:21,078 --> 00:37:24,316
♪ (GENTLE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
772
00:37:49,406 --> 00:37:50,838
♪ (GENTLE MUSIC FADES) ♪
773
00:37:50,907 --> 00:37:52,641
-Hey, Stephen, how are you?
-Hey, Wendi. How are you?
774
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:54,613
-Good to see you.
-Good, you too.
775
00:37:55,546 --> 00:37:57,712
I was just asked
a couple of weeks ago,
776
00:37:57,781 --> 00:37:59,949
what your biggest professional
regret has been,
777
00:38:00,018 --> 00:38:03,351
and it's this case,
'cause it drives me crazy
778
00:38:03,420 --> 00:38:05,387
that we haven't been able
to bring it
779
00:38:05,456 --> 00:38:07,188
to any kind of resolution.
780
00:38:07,257 --> 00:38:09,724
My opinion
is my father is responsible.
781
00:38:09,793 --> 00:38:13,094
Two, I think my mother
knows more than what she says.
782
00:38:13,163 --> 00:38:16,932
I think the evidence definitely
points in that direction.
783
00:38:17,001 --> 00:38:19,934
And I think your mom's gonna
be the key to it.
784
00:38:20,003 --> 00:38:22,804
I mean, you know,
she's gonna be the one
who's gonna say what happened.
785
00:38:22,873 --> 00:38:24,506
-She's the weak--
the weakest link.
-WENDI: Mm-hmm.
786
00:38:24,575 --> 00:38:27,142
Do you have any objection
to me talking to her?
787
00:38:27,211 --> 00:38:28,677
I don't, it's not my case.
788
00:38:28,746 --> 00:38:31,780
Your mom would never contact me.
789
00:38:31,849 --> 00:38:34,950
I can't recall her
ever calling me,
790
00:38:35,019 --> 00:38:36,551
or ever emailing me first.
791
00:38:36,620 --> 00:38:38,420
-It was always me
reaching out to her.
-STEPHEN: Right.
792
00:38:38,489 --> 00:38:41,256
Your dad, on the other hand,
was always fishing
793
00:38:41,325 --> 00:38:43,324
for what's going on
with the case,
794
00:38:43,393 --> 00:38:46,161
almost as if he was trying
to insert himself
795
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:47,396
in the investigation.
796
00:38:47,465 --> 00:38:49,097
So if you were back
on the case now,
797
00:38:49,166 --> 00:38:50,265
what would you do next?
798
00:38:50,334 --> 00:38:54,269
Those woods behind the house,
I'd explore a little more.
799
00:38:54,338 --> 00:38:56,271
There's some overheads
of the house.
800
00:38:56,340 --> 00:38:57,372
DONNIE: This is water.
801
00:38:57,441 --> 00:38:59,207
STEPHEN: Yeah,
this is the mill pond.
802
00:38:59,276 --> 00:39:02,581
♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
803
00:39:08,752 --> 00:39:10,522
INTERVIEWER:
Where do you think she is?
804
00:39:11,755 --> 00:39:14,893
MARGIE: I don't know.
The police asked me that.
805
00:39:16,327 --> 00:39:18,593
And I told them, "In the river,
806
00:39:18,662 --> 00:39:21,558
in the pond
or on the railroad track."
807
00:39:21,627 --> 00:39:22,667
And...
808
00:39:25,103 --> 00:39:26,671
I don't know who put her there.
809
00:39:28,905 --> 00:39:31,740
DONNIE: Your mother,
she names three places.
810
00:39:31,809 --> 00:39:34,642
She said something
about some railroad tracks.
811
00:39:34,711 --> 00:39:39,447
And I think that's another time
where she's almost coming out
812
00:39:39,516 --> 00:39:41,550
and saying
where they took the body.
813
00:39:41,619 --> 00:39:45,553
Are you okay with the fact
that your mother could be
814
00:39:45,622 --> 00:39:47,956
just as involved
in this as your father?
815
00:39:48,025 --> 00:39:49,257
No, I'm not okay.
816
00:39:49,326 --> 00:39:50,593
You just-- Do you wanna
know the truth?
817
00:39:50,662 --> 00:39:51,659
I wanna know the truth.
818
00:39:51,728 --> 00:39:54,462
And I don't believe
that my mother...
819
00:39:54,531 --> 00:39:56,565
I think my mother
knows what happened.
820
00:39:56,634 --> 00:39:59,368
And I think my father
scared her,
821
00:39:59,437 --> 00:40:02,371
and threatened her
to keep this a secret,
822
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,406
and it was a bad decision
823
00:40:04,475 --> 00:40:06,741
that has snowballed
into a catastrophe.
824
00:40:06,810 --> 00:40:10,379
So when was the last time
you talked to your mother?
825
00:40:10,448 --> 00:40:14,016
Probably
at my grandmother's funeral
826
00:40:14,085 --> 00:40:15,050
some years ago.
827
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:17,252
-DONNIE: And you live...
-Twenty minutes from her.
828
00:40:17,321 --> 00:40:18,620
...20 minutes from her.
829
00:40:18,689 --> 00:40:21,156
Have you had
any phone conversation at all?
830
00:40:21,225 --> 00:40:25,597
-Has she seen your kids?
-Mm-mm. Not since the funeral.
831
00:40:26,396 --> 00:40:27,799
I just, you know, I--
832
00:40:28,833 --> 00:40:31,567
If-- I can't go along
with this charade.
833
00:40:31,636 --> 00:40:35,435
♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
834
00:40:50,488 --> 00:40:51,820
STEPHEN: After my sister
disappeared,
835
00:40:51,889 --> 00:40:54,517
I would ask questions
from time to time.
836
00:40:54,586 --> 00:40:56,825
I remember asking my mother
far more than my father.
837
00:40:56,894 --> 00:40:58,561
Just getting
a "We don't have an update"
838
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:59,862
kind of an answer.
839
00:40:59,931 --> 00:41:03,598
That changed,
Christmas Day, 2008.
840
00:41:03,667 --> 00:41:04,967
I walked
into my mother's house,
841
00:41:05,036 --> 00:41:07,502
and I knew that she would ask me
if I called my father
842
00:41:07,571 --> 00:41:09,570
because we only spoke
three times a year,
843
00:41:09,639 --> 00:41:11,406
birthday, Father's Day,
Christmas.
844
00:41:11,475 --> 00:41:13,709
My parents
were long divorced by then.
845
00:41:13,778 --> 00:41:15,277
And then she said to me,
846
00:41:15,346 --> 00:41:16,611
"I don't mean
to ruin your Christmas,
847
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,176
but your father's
a convicted felon in jail,
848
00:41:20,245 --> 00:41:21,884
and got remarried
two years ago."
849
00:41:21,953 --> 00:41:26,321
Needless to say, I was--
I didn't know any of that.
850
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:30,192
WENDI: In 2008, Ron Pandos
was in jail in Oklahoma.
851
00:41:30,261 --> 00:41:33,829
He had opened six bank accounts
for NFL players,
852
00:41:33,898 --> 00:41:36,999
and embezzled
over 54,000 dollars.
853
00:41:37,068 --> 00:41:38,166
He had pled guilty,
854
00:41:38,235 --> 00:41:41,970
and then violated his probation
by possessing firearms.
855
00:41:42,039 --> 00:41:43,905
STEPHEN: And it wasn't too long
after that,
856
00:41:43,974 --> 00:41:46,575
that Wendi Reed came
and asked my mother
857
00:41:46,644 --> 00:41:50,611
some questions about Jennifer,
and my mother asked me
858
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,544
if I would be there.
And I said, "Sure."
859
00:41:54,613 --> 00:41:57,085
And then Wendi asked my mother
to take a polygraph,
860
00:41:57,154 --> 00:41:59,589
and that was the first
really weird moment
861
00:41:59,658 --> 00:42:00,956
that registered with me.
862
00:42:01,025 --> 00:42:03,559
When Wendi asked,
my mother glanced,
863
00:42:03,628 --> 00:42:05,828
to the left as she was thinking
864
00:42:05,897 --> 00:42:08,130
about whatever
she was thinking about,
865
00:42:08,199 --> 00:42:09,932
and I answered for her.
I was like, "Yeah,
866
00:42:10,001 --> 00:42:11,967
of course she'll take
a polygraph."
867
00:42:12,036 --> 00:42:15,207
-(BIRDS CHIRPING)
-(DOGS BARKING)
868
00:42:16,674 --> 00:42:18,707
WENDI: At this stage
of the investigation,
869
00:42:18,776 --> 00:42:21,476
we were given permission
to bring in cadaver dogs
870
00:42:21,545 --> 00:42:23,745
that could detect
human decomposition.
871
00:42:23,814 --> 00:42:26,414
Initially, they went around
the outside of the residence,
872
00:42:26,483 --> 00:42:30,252
and showed interest under
the house into the crawlspace.
873
00:42:30,321 --> 00:42:31,586
We dug several holes,
874
00:42:31,655 --> 00:42:33,921
we were unable
to find any human remains.
875
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:38,026
According to the K9 handlers,
that indicated the possibility
876
00:42:38,095 --> 00:42:42,530
that a body had been there,
but not buried there.
877
00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:45,361
After that,
the Secret Service conducted
878
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:48,364
a polygraph examination
on Margie.
879
00:42:48,433 --> 00:42:51,239
I proceeded
to take the lie detector,
880
00:42:51,308 --> 00:42:53,145
and fail it miserably.
881
00:42:53,811 --> 00:42:55,314
One-hundred percent...
882
00:42:57,015 --> 00:42:58,146
failure.
883
00:42:58,215 --> 00:43:03,152
Which further convinced him
that I was protecting Ron.
884
00:43:03,221 --> 00:43:06,358
I couldn't believe it.
How did she fail the polygraph?
885
00:43:07,224 --> 00:43:08,351
I dug into it,
886
00:43:08,420 --> 00:43:10,125
learning that
when my parents moved
887
00:43:10,194 --> 00:43:12,060
from Williamsburg,
they didn't call
888
00:43:12,129 --> 00:43:14,796
and update contact information
with the police department
889
00:43:14,865 --> 00:43:17,060
for like two and a half years.
890
00:43:17,129 --> 00:43:19,001
How do you do that?
891
00:43:19,070 --> 00:43:22,504
After that, I said,
"This really could be reality
892
00:43:22,573 --> 00:43:26,678
that my parents are involved
in my sister's disappearance."
893
00:43:36,821 --> 00:43:38,253
SUSAN DAVIS: All right.
894
00:43:38,322 --> 00:43:40,522
-MILDRED 'MIMI' ROBERTS:
Oh, you got eggs.
-SUSAN: Another one.
895
00:43:40,591 --> 00:43:42,657
Oh. Oh, my goodness,
yes, I've got eggs.
896
00:43:42,726 --> 00:43:44,092
MILDRED:
I didn't know you had a thing
897
00:43:44,161 --> 00:43:47,266
about eggs in your potato salad.
Now, where did this come from?
898
00:43:48,198 --> 00:43:50,366
I was 17 years old
when it happened.
899
00:43:50,435 --> 00:43:51,494
So all I know
900
00:43:51,563 --> 00:43:53,768
is what I've really been told
as an adult,
901
00:43:53,837 --> 00:43:57,372
which was only probably
in the last 15 years.
902
00:43:57,441 --> 00:43:59,341
Because it's just something
that was not talked about.
903
00:43:59,410 --> 00:44:05,580
I got the call. She'd been gone
a month is what I remember.
904
00:44:05,649 --> 00:44:11,856
And very calmly, no hysteria,
no panic.
905
00:44:13,891 --> 00:44:16,728
"Jenny's gone. She's missing.
Have you seen her?"
906
00:44:20,798 --> 00:44:22,798
(VOICE BREAKING)
Not a hysterical mother
907
00:44:22,867 --> 00:44:25,367
out of her mind with worry.
908
00:44:25,436 --> 00:44:28,908
-(CAR ENGINE RUMBLING)
-♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
909
00:44:31,742 --> 00:44:34,475
STEPHEN: After my mother
failed her polygraph,
910
00:44:34,544 --> 00:44:36,344
I called my mother's sisters,
911
00:44:36,413 --> 00:44:38,813
so I could talk
to all of them at the same time
912
00:44:38,882 --> 00:44:41,049
and tell them everything
that was going on.
913
00:44:41,118 --> 00:44:43,752
And then my aunts came
to Charlotte that weekend,
914
00:44:43,821 --> 00:44:45,287
kind of like
a family intervention.
915
00:44:45,356 --> 00:44:49,892
And my mother didn't really have
a good story about any of it.
916
00:44:49,961 --> 00:44:52,027
MILDRED: After talking
with Margie that night
917
00:44:52,096 --> 00:44:55,864
at her house,
and supposedly what went on,
918
00:44:55,933 --> 00:44:57,065
and all she can say is,
919
00:44:57,134 --> 00:45:00,372
"I excused myself
from the situation."
920
00:45:04,975 --> 00:45:08,914
And what are we to think?
Did she hear what was going on?
921
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,047
The hypothetical fight.
922
00:45:12,116 --> 00:45:13,953
It's like she knew too much.
923
00:45:15,152 --> 00:45:17,752
And then we had Stephen
come over the next day,
924
00:45:17,821 --> 00:45:20,155
and that just ended up being--
in a screamfest.
925
00:45:20,224 --> 00:45:22,761
And we really
didn't get anywhere.
926
00:45:24,362 --> 00:45:27,496
I knew there was strain
on their side of the family.
927
00:45:27,565 --> 00:45:34,169
I did see one incidence in--
It was 1996, Ron struck Margie.
928
00:45:34,238 --> 00:45:36,972
And that was the first time
I'd ever seen
929
00:45:37,041 --> 00:45:39,975
any physical violence.
930
00:45:40,044 --> 00:45:42,477
It's just hard
to wrap your head around
931
00:45:42,546 --> 00:45:46,347
the level of emotional abuse
that Margie has been under
932
00:45:46,416 --> 00:45:49,217
all of these years,
that she would defend this man
933
00:45:49,286 --> 00:45:50,452
over her daughter.
934
00:45:50,521 --> 00:45:53,922
That's why I don't understand
why she doesn't roll on Ronnie.
935
00:45:53,991 --> 00:45:58,494
You know, if Jenny's gone,
why not take him down?
936
00:45:58,563 --> 00:46:01,761
♪ (SOMBER MUSIC FADES) ♪
937
00:46:02,867 --> 00:46:04,033
(KNOCKING ON DOOR)
938
00:46:04,102 --> 00:46:05,434
MELISSA MCMAHAN:
So here you are.
939
00:46:05,503 --> 00:46:06,535
Hey, there.
940
00:46:06,604 --> 00:46:07,970
Hey. How are you?
941
00:46:08,039 --> 00:46:10,338
Mm, I'm okay. I'm okay.
942
00:46:10,407 --> 00:46:12,640
SUSAN: Are we ready to eat?
Is everybody starved?
943
00:46:12,709 --> 00:46:15,611
STEPHEN: It seems like all--
alls I remember is eating
at the little kids table.
944
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:16,812
(ALL CHUCKLE)
945
00:46:16,881 --> 00:46:18,579
MILDRED:
The little kids table.
946
00:46:18,648 --> 00:46:20,582
-Can we ask you?
-STEPHEN: Mm-hmm.
947
00:46:20,651 --> 00:46:22,684
What-- What do the girls know?
948
00:46:22,753 --> 00:46:26,055
They don't know
any of the details at all.
949
00:46:26,124 --> 00:46:28,356
They know about Jennifer,
that she's missing.
950
00:46:28,425 --> 00:46:30,826
So they've asked
why they don't see Grandmother?
951
00:46:30,895 --> 00:46:32,194
STEPHEN: Yeah.
And I've just told them
952
00:46:32,263 --> 00:46:34,896
that I just have
a disagreement with my mom.
953
00:46:34,965 --> 00:46:37,560
After, you know, that one time
we went to Charlotte
954
00:46:37,629 --> 00:46:38,967
and had the big sit-down
with your mom,
955
00:46:39,036 --> 00:46:41,403
I still don't think
we've ever all sat down,
956
00:46:41,472 --> 00:46:43,638
and talked about it, any of it,
ever again.
957
00:46:43,707 --> 00:46:45,507
That did me in, that day,
you know?
958
00:46:45,576 --> 00:46:48,877
That was it for me.
I knew right then and there.
959
00:46:48,946 --> 00:46:52,047
Somebody had gone down.
Something had happened.
960
00:46:52,116 --> 00:46:55,917
Why can't she go after
the guilty one? The one--
961
00:46:55,986 --> 00:47:00,155
Why can't she go after
the abusive husband, father?
962
00:47:00,224 --> 00:47:01,991
MILDRED: That's what
we don't understand.
963
00:47:02,060 --> 00:47:03,858
Their relationship's over.
964
00:47:03,927 --> 00:47:08,296
And-- And he's--
my father's been off
and remarried twice since then.
965
00:47:08,365 --> 00:47:10,065
I wish she would take
the risk, right?
966
00:47:10,134 --> 00:47:11,499
I mean,
it's what she has to gain.
967
00:47:11,568 --> 00:47:14,136
-Not what she has to lose.
-What does she have to gain?
968
00:47:14,205 --> 00:47:18,073
Peace. You know,
the chance of a relationship
969
00:47:18,142 --> 00:47:20,208
with her son and grandchildren?
970
00:47:20,277 --> 00:47:23,045
MILDRED: Have you actually said
those words to her?
971
00:47:23,114 --> 00:47:24,814
That she could have...
972
00:47:24,883 --> 00:47:26,148
MELISSA:
What if you forgave her?
973
00:47:26,217 --> 00:47:28,016
If that would be the peace,
that would...
974
00:47:28,085 --> 00:47:29,719
-There are no magic words.
-There's gotta be a--
975
00:47:29,788 --> 00:47:30,986
There's gotta be a--
There is though.
976
00:47:31,055 --> 00:47:32,722
-No, no.
-There's gonna be a ma--
977
00:47:32,791 --> 00:47:33,822
We don't know what it is.
978
00:47:33,891 --> 00:47:36,057
STEPHEN:
There are no magic words.
979
00:47:36,126 --> 00:47:38,193
MILDRED: People take this
to their deathbed.
980
00:47:38,262 --> 00:47:41,530
And I hate--
I really would hate that
981
00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:43,498
that would be our situation,
982
00:47:43,567 --> 00:47:45,570
that she would take
this to her deathbed.
983
00:47:46,771 --> 00:47:49,541
♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
984
00:47:59,150 --> 00:48:02,087
(CRICKETS CHIRPING)
985
00:48:07,291 --> 00:48:10,593
INTERVIEWER: So Stephen,
you have been at this
986
00:48:10,662 --> 00:48:12,722
since like 2008.
987
00:48:12,791 --> 00:48:15,968
Do you ever think
about just moving on?
988
00:48:17,702 --> 00:48:20,602
I feel like I have just, um,
989
00:48:20,671 --> 00:48:22,237
have more resolve.
990
00:48:22,306 --> 00:48:27,376
Like I want resolution
one way or the other.
991
00:48:27,445 --> 00:48:32,451
Even if, you know,
if it's... a dead end
and nothing...
992
00:48:33,117 --> 00:48:34,984
nothing to follow up on.
993
00:48:35,053 --> 00:48:37,686
Okay. Well,
then get to that point.
994
00:48:37,755 --> 00:48:40,923
'Cause I, you know...
I haven't given up on Jennifer.
995
00:48:40,992 --> 00:48:43,091
I would never give up on,
you know,
996
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,127
heaven forbid something happened
to either of my daughters.
997
00:48:45,196 --> 00:48:47,066
I would--
You just don't-- You don't quit.
998
00:48:48,867 --> 00:48:50,535
No matter what, you do not quit.
999
00:48:54,072 --> 00:48:59,007
INTERVIEWER:
1000
00:48:59,076 --> 00:49:02,377
Yeah, I think I've--
For sure I've learned,
1001
00:49:02,446 --> 00:49:04,945
you know,
more about Jennifer than...
1002
00:49:06,618 --> 00:49:07,816
than I knew.
1003
00:49:07,885 --> 00:49:10,152
And a lot
of affirmations, right,
1004
00:49:10,221 --> 00:49:14,126
I always thought of,
you know, Jennifer, as a...
1005
00:49:14,926 --> 00:49:16,358
you know, a fighter.
1006
00:49:16,427 --> 00:49:18,922
She was not gonna back down
from anybody,
1007
00:49:18,991 --> 00:49:23,165
even our father
and Sharon reaffirmed all that.
1008
00:49:23,234 --> 00:49:27,736
And it makes me sad
for what I missed, right?
1009
00:49:27,805 --> 00:49:29,404
How would she have evolved?
1010
00:49:29,473 --> 00:49:33,345
What would have become,
you know, of her.
1011
00:49:34,278 --> 00:49:36,415
You know, beyond a 15-year-old.
1012
00:49:37,081 --> 00:49:40,119
♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
1013
00:49:45,322 --> 00:49:47,426
JENNIFER, ACTOR: "I can't erase
the things I've done.
1014
00:49:48,259 --> 00:49:50,262
There is no place left to run.
1015
00:49:51,062 --> 00:49:54,262
Life is hard, but it goes on.
1016
00:49:54,331 --> 00:49:58,266
The times of the past
are forever gone.
1017
00:49:58,335 --> 00:50:03,739
I can no longer sit and dwell.
I have to leave my lonely shell.
1018
00:50:03,808 --> 00:50:07,176
Go on with my life. Start anew.
1019
00:50:07,245 --> 00:50:10,045
Live my days
as if they were my last,
1020
00:50:10,114 --> 00:50:13,218
without looking back
and forget the past."
1021
00:50:17,121 --> 00:50:18,654
STEPHEN: Pandos.
1022
00:50:18,723 --> 00:50:20,792
GUARD:
1023
00:50:27,498 --> 00:50:29,631
-STEPHEN: Huh?
-CAMERAMAN:
I'm just filming him.
1024
00:50:29,700 --> 00:50:30,669
STEPHEN: Just me.
1025
00:50:32,269 --> 00:50:34,239
-Okay, awesome. Thank you.
-GUARD: There you are.
1026
00:50:38,509 --> 00:50:41,009
STEPHEN: This is the place
that our parents lived
1027
00:50:41,078 --> 00:50:42,177
in Williamsburg.
1028
00:50:42,246 --> 00:50:45,550
I haven't been back here
in a long, long time.
1029
00:50:55,988 --> 00:50:58,497
It was this last condo here
on the end.
1030
00:51:08,906 --> 00:51:13,174
This is... strange.
1031
00:51:13,243 --> 00:51:15,580
-PAUL Fortin: Hi.
-STEPHEN: Hi, there.
1032
00:51:17,447 --> 00:51:19,247
STEPHEN: I used
to live here years ago.
1033
00:51:19,316 --> 00:51:20,715
-PAUL:
-STEPHEN: Yeah.
1034
00:51:20,784 --> 00:51:23,418
Yeah. My parents rented
it from you, probably.
1035
00:51:23,487 --> 00:51:25,153
-PAUL: They may have.
-Yeah, Pandos.
1036
00:51:25,222 --> 00:51:26,754
I lived here in the--
1037
00:51:26,823 --> 00:51:29,794
My parents lived here
in the mid to late '80s.
1038
00:51:30,362 --> 00:51:31,293
PAUL:
1039
00:51:31,362 --> 00:51:32,664
STEPHEN: That's right.
1040
00:51:33,831 --> 00:51:35,200
(SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY)
1041
00:51:40,805 --> 00:51:42,037
STEPHEN: Yeah.
1042
00:51:42,106 --> 00:51:45,808
-PAUL:
-Yeah. (CHUCKLES)
1043
00:51:45,877 --> 00:51:47,142
Yeah. No, no, I'm sorry.
1044
00:51:47,211 --> 00:51:48,580
-PAUL: Okay.
-Oh.
1045
00:51:49,547 --> 00:51:51,383
It's okay. All right, thank you.
1046
00:51:56,687 --> 00:51:59,258
INTERVIEWER:
I'm gonna see if he'll let us
come inside the condo.
1047
00:52:02,426 --> 00:52:05,460
STEPHEN: Sort of being in here
makes me think about,
1048
00:52:05,529 --> 00:52:07,832
you know,
what happened that night.
1049
00:52:09,666 --> 00:52:14,102
I can hear it, you know,
as Sharon described my father
1050
00:52:14,171 --> 00:52:17,206
yelling at my sister,
"Get off the phone."
1051
00:52:17,275 --> 00:52:18,610
I can see him.
1052
00:52:20,178 --> 00:52:21,480
You know, I can just hear it.
1053
00:52:25,277 --> 00:52:29,854
-(WIND HOWLING FAINTLY)
-♪ (EERIE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
1054
00:52:45,136 --> 00:52:46,367
-(STEPHEN GRUNTS)
-(CAR DOOR OPENING)
1055
00:52:46,436 --> 00:52:48,573
♪ (EERIE MUSIC FADES) ♪
1056
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:51,772
-STEPHEN: Hello.
-PAUL: Hi.
1057
00:52:51,841 --> 00:52:54,676
-Hi, I'm Stephen Pandos.
-PAUL: Stephen Pandos. Yeah.
1058
00:52:54,745 --> 00:52:55,743
Paul Fortin.
1059
00:52:55,812 --> 00:52:57,279
-STEPHEN: Mr. Fortin,
nice to meet you.
-Yeah.
1060
00:52:57,348 --> 00:52:59,649
-STEPHEN: Uh, thank you for...
-Yeah, okay.
1061
00:52:59,718 --> 00:53:02,317
-...letting us in your home.
-Okay.
1062
00:53:02,386 --> 00:53:03,551
This is like, the master bedroom
1063
00:53:03,620 --> 00:53:04,919
-over here.
-STEPHEN: Correct. Mm-hmm.
1064
00:53:04,988 --> 00:53:06,656
PAUL: And I don't know y--
whether your sister was here.
1065
00:53:06,725 --> 00:53:08,389
Yeah, she--
Her bedroom was here.
1066
00:53:08,458 --> 00:53:10,092
PAUL: That's surprising.
Where was the parents'?
1067
00:53:10,161 --> 00:53:11,059
Upstairs.
1068
00:53:11,128 --> 00:53:13,428
So the parents were not
in the master bedroom.
1069
00:53:13,497 --> 00:53:15,164
-STEPHEN: That's right. Right.
-Okay. Okay.
1070
00:53:15,233 --> 00:53:16,668
Well, then there's the room
right there.
1071
00:53:18,802 --> 00:53:21,069
STEPHEN: The story goes
that my parents came in.
1072
00:53:21,138 --> 00:53:24,539
Uh, Jennifer's bed
was exactly there.
1073
00:53:24,608 --> 00:53:28,747
Um, and there was a cedar chest
at the bottom of the bed,
1074
00:53:29,446 --> 00:53:31,107
where they found the note,
1075
00:53:31,176 --> 00:53:33,376
and none of Jennifer's things
were missing.
1076
00:53:33,445 --> 00:53:37,389
All of her clothes were here.
Everything. Yeah, this is it.
1077
00:53:38,555 --> 00:53:40,622
Yeah, when did
the police come back?
1078
00:53:40,691 --> 00:53:43,058
Were you here when they had
the cadaver dogs
1079
00:53:43,127 --> 00:53:44,225
and stuff over here?
1080
00:53:44,294 --> 00:53:46,261
Uh, I was unaware
1081
00:53:46,330 --> 00:53:48,729
that this incident
ever occurred at all.
1082
00:53:48,798 --> 00:53:51,467
They brought the cadaver dogs
in and I said,
1083
00:53:51,536 --> 00:53:53,035
"Geez, after 17 years
1084
00:53:53,104 --> 00:53:54,236
what the hell
are they gonna find?"
1085
00:53:54,305 --> 00:53:56,405
-STEPHEN: Right.
-They said, "Don't worry.
1086
00:53:56,474 --> 00:53:58,439
They can find ancient bones."
You know?
1087
00:53:58,508 --> 00:53:59,742
And they really never got a hit.
1088
00:53:59,811 --> 00:54:01,543
-Yeah.
-The only place they got a hit
1089
00:54:01,612 --> 00:54:04,247
was in the living room
where I keep candy, in a drawer.
1090
00:54:04,316 --> 00:54:05,647
(BOTH CHUCKLE)
1091
00:54:05,716 --> 00:54:07,349
And they wanted
to do the outside
1092
00:54:07,418 --> 00:54:09,551
and underneath the house.
1093
00:54:09,620 --> 00:54:11,652
Yeah, the cadaver dogs
that were here, you know,
1094
00:54:11,721 --> 00:54:16,291
underneath the house
where they all had positive hits
1095
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,161
in the same place,
and you know, this was it.
1096
00:54:19,230 --> 00:54:20,532
Uh...
1097
00:54:21,198 --> 00:54:22,701
It's strange being in here.
1098
00:54:24,234 --> 00:54:26,897
God, the leaves
are really falling down
1099
00:54:26,966 --> 00:54:28,236
-like crazy now.
-STEPHEN: Yeah.
1100
00:54:28,305 --> 00:54:29,605
Oh, it was windy, yeah.
1101
00:54:29,674 --> 00:54:32,912
♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
1102
00:54:40,512 --> 00:54:42,817
STEPHEN:
My father would've brought
Jennifer's body in here
1103
00:54:42,886 --> 00:54:46,021
and the dogs got hits close up
to the front of the house.
1104
00:54:46,090 --> 00:54:49,357
Just on the other side
of those two sort of columns
1105
00:54:49,426 --> 00:54:51,030
towards the front that way.
1106
00:54:52,129 --> 00:54:54,033
Yeah, this is creepy.
1107
00:54:56,701 --> 00:54:57,836
Um...
1108
00:54:59,603 --> 00:55:02,470
-But yeah, that's...
-PAUL: Yeah.
1109
00:55:02,539 --> 00:55:04,072
That's where it would have been.
1110
00:55:04,141 --> 00:55:05,344
Um...
1111
00:55:06,944 --> 00:55:08,876
PAUL: This must be
very emotional for you.
1112
00:55:08,945 --> 00:55:11,179
Yeah, I could feel--
When we were coming in here--
1113
00:55:11,248 --> 00:55:13,949
I mean, I haven't been here
since-- since my parents
moved away.
1114
00:55:14,018 --> 00:55:16,651
-Yeah.
-You know?
And as I'm driving in,
1115
00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:19,754
I can feel, you know,
my chest getting tight,
1116
00:55:19,823 --> 00:55:22,894
my heart is racing
a mile a minute right now.
1117
00:55:43,247 --> 00:55:45,517
♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC FADES) ♪
1118
00:55:48,552 --> 00:55:50,818
WENDI: On August 19th of 2009,
1119
00:55:50,887 --> 00:55:54,523
the Secret Service conducted
a polygraph on Ronald Pandos
1120
00:55:54,592 --> 00:55:57,326
who was in jail in Oklahoma.
1121
00:55:57,395 --> 00:55:59,360
The polygraph examiner
asked him,
1122
00:55:59,429 --> 00:56:02,197
"Did you cause
the disappearance of Jennifer?"
1123
00:56:02,266 --> 00:56:03,598
Ronald answered, "No."
1124
00:56:03,667 --> 00:56:05,466
And the polygraph examiner
advised
1125
00:56:05,535 --> 00:56:07,703
that he was showing deception.
1126
00:56:07,772 --> 00:56:11,540
Ron began to draw out
an overhead
1127
00:56:11,609 --> 00:56:13,542
of the area that they lived in.
1128
00:56:13,611 --> 00:56:16,644
He also put an X in the woods.
1129
00:56:16,713 --> 00:56:19,614
Ron began to say he was sorry
for what happened,
1130
00:56:19,683 --> 00:56:22,217
and told
the Secret Service agents
1131
00:56:22,286 --> 00:56:23,986
that if they could get a plane,
1132
00:56:24,055 --> 00:56:26,917
he would take them
to Jennifer's body.
1133
00:56:26,986 --> 00:56:28,690
And then changed his mind,
1134
00:56:28,759 --> 00:56:30,795
and said he didn't know
what happened.
1135
00:56:32,129 --> 00:56:34,063
STEPHEN: Here, these are
interviews with my mother.
1136
00:56:34,132 --> 00:56:36,999
I got a call at six o'clock
on Wednesday night
1137
00:56:37,068 --> 00:56:39,634
that my father had failed
his polygraph.
1138
00:56:39,703 --> 00:56:44,206
At noon, the following day,
I had my mother in the car
1139
00:56:44,275 --> 00:56:45,706
and took her to Williamsburg
1140
00:56:45,775 --> 00:56:47,909
to finally talk
to the police department
1141
00:56:47,978 --> 00:56:48,877
about all this,
1142
00:56:48,946 --> 00:56:50,679
that there was just
too much information,
1143
00:56:50,748 --> 00:56:54,549
and too much was out,
that she had to tell the truth.
1144
00:56:54,618 --> 00:56:57,319
WENDI: The following day,
Stephen brought Margie
1145
00:56:57,388 --> 00:56:58,519
to be interviewed.
1146
00:56:58,588 --> 00:57:00,889
And I spoke
with our commonwealth attorney.
1147
00:57:00,958 --> 00:57:02,891
He was willing
to provide immunity
1148
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,962
for Margie on all charges
except for homicide.
1149
00:57:07,031 --> 00:57:08,997
STEPHEN: Her telling the truth
with immunity
1150
00:57:09,066 --> 00:57:13,135
was an opportunity
for her to be in some control
1151
00:57:13,204 --> 00:57:14,503
of the events.
1152
00:57:14,572 --> 00:57:17,372
She knew what it meant.
1153
00:57:17,441 --> 00:57:19,008
WENDI: That day was different.
1154
00:57:19,077 --> 00:57:21,576
Obviously, having great
expectations
1155
00:57:21,645 --> 00:57:24,747
because Margie
was coming up to tell us
1156
00:57:24,816 --> 00:57:26,446
what happened to Jennifer.
1157
00:57:27,286 --> 00:57:30,552
WENDI:
1158
00:57:30,621 --> 00:57:33,959
♪ (INTENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
1159
00:57:42,332 --> 00:57:45,601
♪ (INTENSE MUSIC FADES) ♪
1160
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:48,908
♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
1161
00:58:30,314 --> 00:58:32,751
♪ (SOMBER MUSIC FADES) ♪
90463
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