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One thing I've never understood
about Vermeer's painting
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is that the scale is so small
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that even the tiniest bit of dust,
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when it falls into the paint,
it gathers paint, it attracts
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the paint, and really ruins
the surface.
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Where, when you look at Vermeer's
paintings, you never see
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those little dust particles.
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I was 18 and I wanted
to be a painter
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because I thought
I was artistic, you know?
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I did a course on Baroque painting.
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I just knew Rembrandt, Rubens...
Never heard of Vermeer.
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And all of a sudden,
Vermeer came on and I said,
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"That's it. What is this mysterious
object that I've just seen?"
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It looked like it came from Mars
and landed down
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and wanted to say
something to me.
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All I could say,
it just seemed right.
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Everything just seemed to fall
in place as if by magic.
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I have no idea what really
makes a Vermeer, Vermeer.
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Because you could say
the light, the perspective.
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But there's so many things
that, when you add them up -
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the composition -
you put them all together,
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I think then you get a Vermeer.
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So, Peter, it's your first
time here, right,
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since we moved to Frick Madison?
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Yes, I haven't seen
your new installation yet.
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But then you get into the
17th century Dutch paintings,
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which, the three
Rembrandts together.
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It's a gallery, no?
No, it's amazing.
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This is amazing.
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You have these big grand pictures,
so kind of imposing and life-sized.
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And then the last room on this floor
is the Vermeer room, and suddenly,
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you're in this totally
different dimension.
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This is stunning.
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Yeah, it's pretty great.
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This is really well done.
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It's really... I very much
like the balance between the two
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of them and then
the Mistress And Maid in the centre.
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I was a little worried
because they're quite big walls
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and sort of empty walls
with small pictures,
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but they really hold their place.
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I don't think you can do
that with every painter.
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I think with Vermeer,
you can. Yeah.
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And if you have single walls in
the exhibition with single works,
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you can say that the idea came
from Frick Madison.
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HE LAUGHS
Yeah!
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I always find this painting,
I mean, I find it a little
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menacing as well.
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I find the male figure, it's so kind
of towering over her
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and the idea that he's in shadow,
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there's something more dark.
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You know, what's the message?
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What's going on?
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And it's someone who spends
the whole of his life, his career,
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painting these scenes and these
rooms over and over again.
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You know, why?
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This is a painting instead
that has had some changes over time,
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not necessarily all by Vermeer.
Yeah.
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And I'm really happy it's coming
to Amsterdam for analysis
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ahead of the exhibition.
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You know, one big question
that I hope we can answer
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in Amsterdam is,
was the birdcage added? Exactly.
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And I think in this specific case,
it's going to be very important
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to try and answer some
of those questions.
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I found it very moving, actually,
realising that it's the first time
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in 200 years that this picture
is in the Netherlands. Yeah.
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And I'm also amazed, you know,
an artist like Vermeer
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that is so well studied and people
talk about the whole time,
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the fact that we're still making
discoveries. The idea of pushing
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the scholarship and the research
to the next level
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is what really excites me
about this project.
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So here we're looking at some
of our XRF scans,
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and our research suggests
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that the birdcage is probably a
later addition.
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I think it's extraordinary.
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But it's really funny.
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I mean, how that birdcage
was part of the interpretation
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of this painting for
quite a long, long time.
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I mean, talking about what
he wanted to tell with this.
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Yeah.
And now, well, it's not him.
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SHE LAUGHS
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We had one day to have the painting
here up in the studio
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for photography.
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So I had the honour
of carrying the girl.
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First of all, I had the honour
of unframing the girl.
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So with my gloved hands taking
the painting out of the frame,
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that was such an amazing
moment for me.
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After a year of doing this research
and preparing for this,
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it was the first time I'd seen
the back of the painting.
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It was the first time
I'd seen her out of the frame.
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It was my first encounter
that was very different
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from what everyone else
had experienced before me.
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In 1994, they took tiny samples,
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paint samples from the background
of the painting.
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And this is what they saw, that the
background must have been green
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and that was really revolutionary
at the time, to know
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that the girl isn't in a,
you know, in a black space,
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but that there must have been
some green colour there.
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Now we have such different and
improved scientific technologies
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than they did in 1994
that we could go a step further.
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We suddenly noticed that there
are some diagonal lines
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here in the corner.
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We expected that the background
was flat,
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was black with a greenish
glaze on top.
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But now we're thinking
there's something going on,
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brush strokes going on
in a specific direction.
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How could I live without
playing cards?
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HE CHUCKLES
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Only 29.95.
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OK, I can deal with that.
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I'm going to do a video on Vermeer
merchandise on my website.
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Sort of tongue-in-cheek
kind of thing.
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I don't want to be too moralistic,
but, you know, point out the fact
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that there are dangers.
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I'm worried that she is going
to become too iconic.
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And here she is.
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Every time I see her,
she always looks lighter
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than what I even imagined, right?
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Well, here's now your chance
to get close, no-one around,
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no-one around
taking their selfies.
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Wow!
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Oh.
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One of our new findings was
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these lines in the top right corner.
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Mm-hm. These may look like folds.
Yeah.
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That was our conclusion as well,
because we know it was green.
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And when there are these folds
with highlights and shadows.
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We think that she's standing
in front or sitting in front
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of a green curtain.
Oh, right.
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So that's the curtain
that hangs down here.
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It would have been very dark.
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It wasn't like, you know...
Bright green.
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..bright green or something,
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but it would have stayed
in the background.
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Absolutely.
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That's amazing.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
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What's...? This line is black?
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Yeah, this line is super interesting
because the contour
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of Girl With A Pearl Earring
is where Vermeer left
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the brown underlayer exposed. Right.
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And here's where that dark
underlayer is showing through
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between these brush strokes.
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OK, great.
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Then, of course, the tiny details
like the dots on top.
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That's so hard to do.
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You know, as a painter,
you want to get your highlights
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because they make things work,
right? Yeah.
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Otherwise, you have a sort of,
you know, highlight in the eye
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and the highlights... Oh, yeah.
It's so much fun, right?
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You're definitely speaking to
someone who's painted and knows...
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You are the Vermeer expert.
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I mean, even the experts
in our field are all going
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to Essential Vermeer for the first
information about the paintings.
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Yeah, yeah.
THEY LAUGH
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that revolves around Vermeer.
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Always, what about
the camera obscura?
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Yeah, thank you.
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Something which I found,
which is new for me, is the presence
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of the Jesuits next door to Vermeer.
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And what I found is that
the Jesuits are very, very busy
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with the camera obscura and all
the other optical instruments.
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Yeah, yeah.
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There's so many things going on
in a painting like this.
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I don't ever have the idea
that I'm in front
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of a canvas, right?
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Paintings, even as a painter,
you always see a painting
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as paint on canvas.
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Where, this, I don't see
the canvas any more.
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I see buildings.
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I see people waiting.
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I see clouds about to move.
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Sure, all these, the sum
of all these little things
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give you one moment.
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One moment.
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I've never really understood
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what makes this painting a Vermeer.
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It looks like a work
of a young painter.
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It looks like a work
and not experienced painter,
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in my opinion.
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His early paintings are just
one big question mark.
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Are these Vermeer's?
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He's doing saints,
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he's doing mythological scenes,
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he's doing different styles.
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I don't understand
the first paintings.
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He's all over the place.
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So I don't know what he was doing.
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Once we get to
the Officer And Laughing Girl,
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then I start to see
Vermeer Vermeer.
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Composition,
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the colour, the light.
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Those effects that no other painter
in Holland would actually get.
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He was making these,
like mini worlds, mini universes
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in the corner of a room,
where everything is so important.
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And then, afterwards,
he has a brief rise in painting
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where it becomes
extremely ingenious.
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These are really complex paintings,
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and he really changes.
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Compositions just become
outrageously interesting.
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Even a painting like
The Lacemaker.
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It's a complex,
really complex painting.
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And it's about this big.
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Why would he have put so much time,
so much effort, so much skill
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into a painting that would not
have got him a lot of money, right?
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It's just too small.
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Well, in the Counting Vermeer
project that was done
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a few years ago, based on X-rays
of all of these Vermeer paintings,
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they did find a few roll mates -
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so paintings that came from the same
roll of fabric.
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There's the Young Woman Seated
At A Virginal and The Lacemaker.
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They were made from the same roll
of fabric,
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and they are roll mates
to each other.
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And one would assume,
also all made by Vermeer.
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But since Vermeer bought his canvas,
probably with the ground already
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applied on it, from art suppliers
in Delft or somewhere around there,
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it could also have been bought
by somebody from his circle.
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There's still a tiny bit of doubt.
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You never know.
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Anyone can buy that piece of canvas.
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But I try to also stay away
from attribution questions.
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And it would be wonderful
if we would be able
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to dive into it a little bit more
again. Yeah.
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The first time I saw it, I was kind
of scheming to get hold of it
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because it absolutely was certain
to be Vermeer, in my mind.
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And then, so...
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And then it was with Steve Wynn
at that moment. Yeah.
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Steve Wynn bought it
at auction
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and he then had it
in his casino.
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And I went down there
for Tom Kaplan.
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So I got the price.
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I called Tom and
Tom immediately said,
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"Well, is it really a Vermeer?"
I said, "Yes."
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He said, "Buy it."
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So, it took seconds.
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It's amazing.
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And I don't begrudge
wealthy people to...
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They never really own them anyway.
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They only own them
in their lifetime.
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Rich people do a great thing -
they die.
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And when they die,
something happens.
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The taxes have to be paid or
they are inherited by somebody
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else who has a different attitude.
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And it's like a big funnel effect.
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They all end up in museums.
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Sooner or later, they will.
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The money is growing and
the art is remaining stable.
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There are no Vermeers left
except the one that was stolen.
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There's only one thing
that can happen -
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the price of the paintings
have to go up.
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People readily spend 100,
200 million for paintings.
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I think it was wonderful...
I'll give you an example.
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At that time, I did not
have the...
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..aspirations to acquire a Vermeer.
254
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No. It was still relatively early
in the collecting.
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Well, there was no chance.
Well, there was no chance.
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But also I hadn't... I mean,
I'd just started with Rembrandt,
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and the Vermeer looked like
a bridge too far.
258
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But the painting had been
acquired by Steve Wynn.
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And he said, "Well, if you want
the Rembrandt self-portrait,
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"you have to buy the Vermeer
at the same time."
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And I thought about that.
262
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And, you know, there's
a little expression...
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PHONE RINGS
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Sorry.
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And I thought about that.
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And there's a little
expression saying,
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"You can't threaten me
with a good time."
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And I said, "He wants
to sell them both together."
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I said, "Tell him, done." Yeah.
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I thought she was beautiful. Yeah.
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I thought she was
completely enchanting,
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the way that he had captured
this moment
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of arrested recognition and...
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..courtship or love, affection,
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that is perhaps
uniquely characteristic,
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in my experience, to Vermeer.
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So one of the things that would be
really interesting is to examine
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that painting, like we try
to examine as many Vermeer
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paintings as possible.
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But it would be wonderful,
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well, if your painting,
could be involved in that.
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Well, like I said, you can't
threaten me with a good time.
283
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As soon as you want her and you're
ready for her, she's yours.
284
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Yeah.
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Hi. Hello.
Nice to meet you.
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It's great to see you again.
287
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Wow. Oh. We met so long ago.
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A year, I think. Yeah, a year ago.
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This painting,
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we have it in the studio
in Amsterdam. Mm.
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What was your impression?
292
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I mean, just...
Just one-to-one impression?
293
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It is... It's so difficult to say.
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I think it is by him, but it's...
295
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Sorry, it is a less
successful painting. Mm-hm.
296
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Yeah, so the technical research
has found nothing which is made
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in another way than Vermeer did it.
298
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But I've spotted quite
a number of anomalies.
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Number one, if you take this
picture, you can basically
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cut it out and copy it right on top.
301
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It's the same dimensions.
302
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Number one, why would Vermeer
had done a copy and paste?
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The face is exactly
the same proportions.
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The arms are done in the same way.
305
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There's nothing original. No.
306
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This is very laboured.
307
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It's... It's not a good piece
of painting.
308
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I notice that we have
this curl here.
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It seems funny to me.
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Do we have The Lacemaker here?
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You've got the same curl here.
312
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The hairdo is supposedly similar
to this, but if you look carefully,
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it's as if the painter didn't
understand what was happening here.
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Vermeer quotes himself, but he
always adds something original.
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Like, there's no story here.
316
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Here, everything he's done
he's already done better.
317
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I fully... Much better.
318
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Why would he recall himself
with so little enthusiasm?
319
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I totally agree.
Where did it all go?
320
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Yeah, but I have the problem,
how to...
321
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Yeah, what's the name?
322
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So do I have to write attributed
to Vermeer or Studio of Vermeer?
323
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Had he a studio?
Yeah. We don't know.
324
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Was it an assistant? And so on.
325
00:39:57,820 --> 00:40:02,140
So this is really a little bit
a problem, of course.
326
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Yeah, but maybe we... You know,
maybe at the end,
327
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Vermeer was not capable to
hold his quality.
328
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Peter, wonderful to see you.
329
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I love how things work out.
330
00:40:21,220 --> 00:40:23,980
Hi, nice to meet you.
Great to meet you.
331
00:40:23,980 --> 00:40:25,940
Thank you.
How are you?
332
00:40:25,940 --> 00:40:28,220
Nice to meet you. Anna Krekeler.
I'm one of the...
333
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Nice to meet you.
It's a pleasure.
334
00:40:29,980 --> 00:40:31,100
Thank you.
335
00:40:31,100 --> 00:40:33,260
Did you miss her?
I did.
336
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And, you know, this is the first
time that I've seen her undressed
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and, and without...
338
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..without the frame, I mean.
339
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It's the enormity
of holding a Vermeer.
340
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And the only one
in private hands. Literally, yeah?
341
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LAUGHTER
342
00:40:55,140 --> 00:40:57,460
Very well put. That's a great
turn of phrase.
343
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The only one in private hands.
Yes!
344
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When I first saw this painting...
I saw it at Sotheby's the evening
345
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it was auctioned.
346
00:41:11,300 --> 00:41:13,500
And I don't know whether
you know this, but I cast...
347
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I put up... I was the first bid.
348
00:41:15,580 --> 00:41:17,780
I took the paddle from
Johnny Van Haeften
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and I said, "Give me that."
350
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And then he saw I was going
to continue and he took it from me
351
00:41:23,660 --> 00:41:26,020
and he said, "Give me that!"
352
00:41:26,020 --> 00:41:29,260
He was afraid
that I'd just continue.
353
00:41:29,260 --> 00:41:32,100
Steve Wynn bought it and then of
course, we bought it from him.
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LAUGHTER
355
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So, Anna and Annalise made some
additional research.
356
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On the right side, we see
a short-wave infrared,
357
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and we're showing this
because it kind of takes you
358
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to the initial phase of
the painting. Yes.
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In the initial phase,
360
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the skirt continued up to
the waistline and then the shawl
361
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was introduced.
362
00:41:57,060 --> 00:42:01,140
So it becomes clear that the skirt
was already sort of covered
363
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by the shawl when the final
paint layers were added.
364
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That is very exciting.
365
00:42:07,780 --> 00:42:10,620
I mean, as you can imagine.
366
00:42:10,620 --> 00:42:12,820
There was always that question.
367
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Did the shawl come afterwards?
368
00:42:16,860 --> 00:42:18,500
Was it him?
369
00:42:18,500 --> 00:42:22,580
And what, essentially, this shows
is it was all contemporaneous.
370
00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:27,020
What you've determined here
371
00:42:27,020 --> 00:42:30,220
is really the most important
new information,
372
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I mean, in terms of the
understanding of this painting,
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since the determination
that the canvas
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is the same as The Lacemaker. Yeah.
I mean, from the same bolt of cloth.
375
00:42:41,060 --> 00:42:44,300
Yeah.
So it's inherent to the concept.
376
00:42:44,300 --> 00:42:46,780
Yes. Yes.
377
00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:50,700
Yes.
378
00:42:51,780 --> 00:42:53,060
It's him.
379
00:42:53,060 --> 00:42:55,060
It's him, yeah.
380
00:42:55,060 --> 00:42:56,220
Huh!
381
00:42:58,660 --> 00:43:01,500
Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you. You're very welcome.
382
00:43:01,500 --> 00:43:03,660
We will incorporate
all of this information.
383
00:43:03,660 --> 00:43:06,580
That is really nice
that you were able to do this...
384
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Here we are.
385
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Paintings you know well.
386
00:44:53,260 --> 00:44:55,300
Great to see them again.
387
00:44:55,300 --> 00:44:56,620
Yeah, old friends.
388
00:44:58,580 --> 00:45:02,700
This painting was the gift
of Mr and Mrs Charles Reitman.
389
00:45:02,700 --> 00:45:05,980
But it came with these restrictions
that none of the paintings
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00:45:05,980 --> 00:45:07,740
they gave to us can ever travel.
391
00:45:07,740 --> 00:45:10,580
They always have to be
on view here at the Met.
392
00:45:10,580 --> 00:45:11,940
I think it's stunning.
393
00:45:11,940 --> 00:45:14,300
Absolutely.
394
00:45:14,300 --> 00:45:16,860
And then the Woman With
The Water Pitcher,
395
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which was the first Vermeer to
actually come to America,
396
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is a very fragile painting,
397
00:45:21,820 --> 00:45:24,860
so very unlikely to ever be loaned
again. Yeah.
398
00:45:33,100 --> 00:45:35,860
I feel a kind of sadness in it
as well, since it's...
399
00:45:35,860 --> 00:45:38,660
I mean, we know that we are never...
400
00:45:38,660 --> 00:45:42,740
..being able to bring paintings
like these back home.
401
00:46:31,820 --> 00:46:33,300
ALARM SOUNDS
402
00:46:37,980 --> 00:46:40,100
ALARM SOUNDS
403
00:47:00,260 --> 00:47:02,060
Wow!
404
00:48:32,300 --> 00:48:33,540
ALARM SOUNDS
405
00:52:03,820 --> 00:52:07,740
We are fully focusing on
the exhibition, which is opening
406
00:52:07,740 --> 00:52:10,300
already, early '23.
407
00:52:10,300 --> 00:52:12,900
So it's getting a bit exciting.
408
00:52:12,900 --> 00:52:15,460
So how many paintings
will there be in the show?
409
00:52:15,460 --> 00:52:18,420
Well, it depends.
I think it's...
410
00:52:18,420 --> 00:52:20,860
As a friend and colleague,
I just, you know,
411
00:52:20,860 --> 00:52:22,740
I want to support this exhibition
412
00:52:22,740 --> 00:52:25,460
because I think we all
gain from that.
413
00:52:25,460 --> 00:52:30,860
But at the same time, you know,
these are what I always call
414
00:52:30,860 --> 00:52:35,020
pilgrimage paintings, you know,
the ones that people make
415
00:52:35,020 --> 00:52:39,380
a pilgrimage to the National Gallery
just to see.
416
00:52:39,380 --> 00:52:42,700
I don't think that all
of the paintings have ever
417
00:52:42,700 --> 00:52:46,460
been out of the building
at the same time.
418
00:52:46,460 --> 00:52:50,140
Would there be a possibility
of a reciprocal loan
419
00:52:50,140 --> 00:52:53,660
of a Vermeer at some point? Yeah.
OK.
420
00:52:53,660 --> 00:52:58,140
We would be absolutely happy
to collaborate with you
421
00:52:58,140 --> 00:53:01,020
on a future Vermeer project here.
422
00:53:01,020 --> 00:53:03,460
Great!
423
00:53:03,460 --> 00:53:09,540
So you've examined all four right
now, and what I think is one
424
00:53:09,540 --> 00:53:14,820
of the most striking things is,
well, the way you're looking
425
00:53:14,820 --> 00:53:17,780
at this painting again.
Yeah.
426
00:53:17,780 --> 00:53:21,420
And, you know, as you know,
the attribution of this painting
427
00:53:21,420 --> 00:53:23,380
has been questioned.
428
00:53:23,380 --> 00:53:27,780
That's one of the things
that we really wanted to dig into
429
00:53:27,780 --> 00:53:30,420
and investigate.
430
00:53:30,420 --> 00:53:33,940
And you see striking
differences, then,
431
00:53:33,940 --> 00:53:36,020
to the others?
432
00:53:36,020 --> 00:53:38,020
Um, might be.
433
00:53:43,900 --> 00:53:45,620
The Girl With The Flute.
434
00:53:45,620 --> 00:53:48,020
It's an amazing little
piece of painting.
435
00:53:50,220 --> 00:53:52,580
There's this hat that
you could feel
436
00:53:52,580 --> 00:53:55,620
you could put your finger
on her head and flip it off.
437
00:53:55,620 --> 00:53:58,060
You just want to take the hat off
of the woman's head.
438
00:53:58,060 --> 00:53:59,940
It just really sticks out.
439
00:54:01,300 --> 00:54:03,500
It looks pretty good to me,
440
00:54:03,500 --> 00:54:05,860
but it doesn't really
look like he finished it.
441
00:54:08,140 --> 00:54:11,580
If this was finished,
this would have been, you know,
442
00:54:11,580 --> 00:54:13,300
one of Vermeer's finest works.
443
00:54:55,380 --> 00:55:00,060
Now the question is, why did Vermeer
use green earth on the flesh tones?
444
00:55:00,060 --> 00:55:03,740
And so far, nobody has really been
able to come up with an explanation.
445
00:55:06,140 --> 00:55:10,780
When you move into the neck, you can
see it's just fundamentally green.
446
00:55:17,220 --> 00:55:22,220
I think it will be very difficult
to gauge exactly.
447
00:55:23,620 --> 00:55:25,900
No-one knows how this was done.
448
00:55:27,660 --> 00:55:32,300
Even the slightest amount
of green earth here will...
449
00:55:32,300 --> 00:55:36,220
Just dull down this cheek
a little bit better.
450
00:55:36,220 --> 00:55:37,780
Now...
451
00:55:37,780 --> 00:55:40,900
He was the only painter
using this technique.
452
00:55:44,780 --> 00:55:48,540
I count at least eight paintings
that are clearly done
453
00:55:48,540 --> 00:55:50,540
with green earth in the flesh tones.
454
00:56:02,300 --> 00:56:04,420
Well, good morning to all of you.
455
00:56:04,420 --> 00:56:08,540
Um, it's quite
an impressive moment.
456
00:56:08,540 --> 00:56:13,220
Wonderful to have so much
colleagues from abroad,
457
00:56:13,220 --> 00:56:16,820
especially the Washington team
in full strength.
458
00:56:19,620 --> 00:56:22,940
What now to do with
Girl With A Flute?
459
00:56:24,020 --> 00:56:26,820
The girl is looking straight at us.
460
00:56:26,820 --> 00:56:30,300
I mean, has anyone ever seen
a Vermeer girl look straight at us?
461
00:56:32,700 --> 00:56:36,260
This raking light image shows you
how lumpy the paint handling is,
462
00:56:36,260 --> 00:56:38,620
which is a little unnerving.
463
00:56:38,620 --> 00:56:41,380
Generally, you get a sense of
someone who's really struggling,
464
00:56:41,380 --> 00:56:44,700
who hasn't quite got command
of their materials.
465
00:56:47,020 --> 00:56:52,540
The green earth shadows in Vermeer's
faces seem to be unique to Vermeer.
466
00:56:52,540 --> 00:56:56,460
But on the right, you can see
how they've built up this big,
467
00:56:56,460 --> 00:57:00,060
thick mass of green that almost
drips in places.
468
00:57:01,260 --> 00:57:04,740
So this artist knew that
they should be using green earth
469
00:57:04,740 --> 00:57:08,260
in their skin shadows,
but didn't quite have the knack.
470
00:57:08,260 --> 00:57:12,180
So, close, but no cigar.
471
00:57:13,900 --> 00:57:16,660
So, Alex, you wanted...?
472
00:57:16,660 --> 00:57:20,300
So, with this new body of evidence
that we've assembled,
473
00:57:20,300 --> 00:57:23,540
we can say that Vermeer
was not involved in the creation
474
00:57:23,540 --> 00:57:25,500
of Girl With The Flute.
475
00:57:28,940 --> 00:57:33,580
You know, we know that whoever
painted this had a very close
476
00:57:33,580 --> 00:57:37,940
proximity to Vermeer, was likely
observing him as he worked,
477
00:57:37,940 --> 00:57:42,220
just as a studio assistant
or a student might.
478
00:57:42,220 --> 00:57:45,300
And this is really exciting
because there is, of course,
479
00:57:45,300 --> 00:57:49,100
no documentation about this,
but I think it's an opportunity
480
00:57:49,100 --> 00:57:52,540
to rethink the way in which
Vermeer was working.
481
00:57:52,540 --> 00:57:55,380
I mean, the idea that he was
possibly a mentor, training
482
00:57:55,380 --> 00:57:57,500
a next generation of artists.
483
00:57:57,500 --> 00:58:01,380
That's a little update of what
we've been doing for two years.
484
00:58:01,380 --> 00:58:04,100
I was just going to say,
that's how we spent our vacation!
485
00:58:04,100 --> 00:58:06,460
APPLAUSE
486
00:58:19,740 --> 00:58:22,060
I was so impressed
with this painting.
487
00:58:22,060 --> 00:58:25,780
And now I have to hear
that you doubt the... We do, yeah.
488
00:58:25,780 --> 00:58:30,700
And this is something new and
I have to...slick it.
489
00:58:30,700 --> 00:58:32,620
Swallow it.
Yeah, swallow it, yeah.
490
00:58:32,620 --> 00:58:34,740
It's a big frog now.
491
00:58:34,740 --> 00:58:36,820
You can do it.
You can do it.
492
00:58:36,820 --> 00:58:40,140
To hear that, you know, it might
not be by Vermeer after all,
493
00:58:40,140 --> 00:58:43,500
was kind of kind of shocking.
Was it? OK.
494
00:58:43,500 --> 00:58:47,660
Because I've had my doubts
for a long time myself.
495
00:58:47,660 --> 00:58:49,660
So what do you think?
496
00:58:49,660 --> 00:58:51,580
Do you still want the painting
in your show?
497
00:58:51,580 --> 00:58:53,260
Girl With The Flute?
498
00:58:53,260 --> 00:58:56,020
I really believe it's opening
a door. Yeah.
499
00:58:56,020 --> 00:58:59,660
So if this is not him, who is it?
500
00:58:59,660 --> 00:59:03,180
But who is it?
Had Vermeer an assistant?
501
00:59:03,180 --> 00:59:06,380
Is it his daughter, Maria Vermeer?
I mean...
502
00:59:06,380 --> 00:59:09,140
Could it be him on a windy day?
You don't believe?
503
00:59:09,140 --> 00:59:10,580
No, no.
504
00:59:10,580 --> 00:59:15,980
Couldn't it be that it is
the first try out of this things?
505
00:59:15,980 --> 00:59:18,060
Could it be that... No.
506
00:59:18,060 --> 00:59:20,180
I mean, we just we don't see
a scenario
507
00:59:20,180 --> 00:59:22,020
in which this is by Vermeer.
508
01:00:08,020 --> 01:00:10,420
TV: There is big news
in the art world.
509
01:00:10,420 --> 01:00:12,900
A painting thought to be by
Johannes Vermeer
510
01:00:12,900 --> 01:00:15,180
isn't a Vermeer after all.
511
01:00:15,180 --> 01:00:17,660
That's surprising to me.
512
01:00:17,660 --> 01:00:21,380
You see here,
the greenish shadows in the flesh.
513
01:00:21,380 --> 01:00:23,540
There's not the subtlety
of transition
514
01:00:23,540 --> 01:00:25,380
that we find in Vermeer.
515
01:00:25,380 --> 01:00:28,180
So, what, the neck is green?
516
01:00:28,180 --> 01:00:33,620
If you look at the neck
of the woman, of the guitar player,
517
01:00:33,620 --> 01:00:36,100
it's pretty green.
518
01:00:36,100 --> 01:00:38,780
It looks like a lizard.
519
01:00:38,780 --> 01:00:40,860
But there's no doubt
that that's a Vermeer.
520
01:01:52,100 --> 01:01:55,580
I can tell you right now
that we are, at this moment,
521
01:01:55,580 --> 01:01:58,980
with 27 paintings
for the exhibition.
522
01:01:58,980 --> 01:02:00,980
27? 27.
523
01:02:00,980 --> 01:02:04,700
That is five more than
in The Hague in '95, '96.
524
01:02:04,700 --> 01:02:07,540
But we will have the three
of the Frick collection.
525
01:02:07,540 --> 01:02:09,500
All three of the Frick collection?
526
01:02:09,500 --> 01:02:12,060
The Officer And The Laughing Girl
will be there.
527
01:02:12,060 --> 01:02:14,820
I would go
just to see that painting!
528
01:02:14,820 --> 01:02:17,140
You're a painter, an artist.
529
01:02:17,140 --> 01:02:19,180
And you can look like a painter.
530
01:02:19,180 --> 01:02:21,140
Yes. Yes, I do.
531
01:02:21,140 --> 01:02:25,780
Now, you have always to make
a difference between paintings.
532
01:02:25,780 --> 01:02:29,660
You will laugh because you think
that they are really, really fine.
533
01:02:29,660 --> 01:02:34,780
And then the technicians
are coming to you and saying
534
01:02:34,780 --> 01:02:36,940
the other way.
535
01:02:36,940 --> 01:02:40,900
So, I am a scientist. So, in my
heart there are two things bumping.
536
01:02:40,900 --> 01:02:43,140
So, a little bit the art lover,
537
01:02:43,140 --> 01:02:45,020
and the other is, of course,
the scientist.
538
01:02:45,020 --> 01:02:48,780
There are so many enigmas, there
are so many things that I think
539
01:02:48,780 --> 01:02:51,700
both of us still don't understand.
540
01:02:51,700 --> 01:02:54,900
Both of us still are very careful.
541
01:02:54,900 --> 01:02:58,940
You know? We don't want to tread
on facts.
542
01:02:58,940 --> 01:03:02,060
We don't want to make up
our own facts.
543
01:03:02,060 --> 01:03:05,300
I believe that we're both
willing to live with doubts. Mm.
544
01:03:13,940 --> 01:03:16,380
Vermeer has meant
something different
545
01:03:16,380 --> 01:03:18,820
to every single generation.
546
01:03:18,820 --> 01:03:23,980
I think I've counted six or seven
Vermeers in the last century.
547
01:03:23,980 --> 01:03:27,020
A long time ago, it was about
Vermeer the leftist.
548
01:03:27,020 --> 01:03:31,500
You could say he's painting
the people, the common life.
549
01:03:31,500 --> 01:03:35,820
And then, afterwards, Vermeer became
an abstract painter, right?
550
01:03:35,820 --> 01:03:39,300
A formless painter -
just shapes and colours.
551
01:03:40,900 --> 01:03:45,380
After that, people started thinking
about Vermeer as a storyteller,
552
01:03:45,380 --> 01:03:47,340
as an iconographer.
553
01:03:50,180 --> 01:03:55,100
And the most recent development is
sort of a feminist kind of appeal.
554
01:03:55,100 --> 01:03:57,700
Vermeer, who painted women,
the painter of women,
555
01:03:57,700 --> 01:03:59,060
what their psych was.
556
01:03:59,060 --> 01:04:00,620
And he was so near to women.
557
01:04:00,620 --> 01:04:04,660
So every generation sort of turns
over what was there before.
558
01:04:04,660 --> 01:04:07,300
And so it's hard to keep up with it.
559
01:04:13,100 --> 01:04:16,420
The idea that these artists
were isolated geniuses
560
01:04:16,420 --> 01:04:20,740
existing in their own world,
creating in this void,
561
01:04:20,740 --> 01:04:24,940
it's just not in a way
relevant any more.
562
01:04:24,940 --> 01:04:27,580
It's not a relevant question.
We really want to know...
563
01:04:27,580 --> 01:04:29,660
You know, tell me
about this ambience
564
01:04:29,660 --> 01:04:31,820
that you were in, and
tell me about your wife.
565
01:04:31,820 --> 01:04:33,500
Tell me about your mother-in-law.
566
01:04:33,500 --> 01:04:35,900
Tell me about your daughters.
567
01:04:35,900 --> 01:04:40,100
Because women are such
a central theme to him.
568
01:04:40,100 --> 01:04:44,820
But it must have been a very
influential environment, too,
569
01:04:44,820 --> 01:04:46,940
to have all of these women
around you.
570
01:04:46,940 --> 01:04:50,540
And we don't often think
of their role, though I think
571
01:04:50,540 --> 01:04:53,100
this next generation really is.
572
01:07:49,860 --> 01:07:51,740
Good morning.
Good to see you.
573
01:07:54,020 --> 01:07:55,700
Perfect. Um...
574
01:07:57,300 --> 01:07:59,420
Good. Great.
Hey.
575
01:08:02,220 --> 01:08:04,460
Microphone.
OK.
576
01:08:04,460 --> 01:08:06,180
All right.
577
01:08:06,180 --> 01:08:07,660
Yeah, good.
578
01:08:27,220 --> 01:08:28,780
We shouldn't throw it away...
579
01:08:50,740 --> 01:08:52,100
There you go.
580
01:08:53,300 --> 01:08:54,940
Thanks, John. You're welcome.
581
01:08:56,540 --> 01:08:58,980
That was fun.
That was fun.
582
01:08:58,980 --> 01:09:01,740
Well, you could have continued
583
01:09:01,740 --> 01:09:04,780
for another two hours!
584
01:09:04,780 --> 01:09:10,180
So, whatever it is, it's quite
a convincing composition, I think.
585
01:09:10,180 --> 01:09:12,940
She's leaning at one side,
so her weight is over.
586
01:09:12,940 --> 01:09:15,740
That's why she's
a little bit diagonal...
587
01:09:20,940 --> 01:09:23,460
I would love to show you something.
588
01:09:27,020 --> 01:09:28,340
Oh!
589
01:09:30,700 --> 01:09:33,100
Is this it?
It is it.
590
01:09:33,100 --> 01:09:36,020
This is the one that Vermeer saw?
Yeah.
591
01:09:36,020 --> 01:09:38,420
Yeah, that he saw
with his own eyes.
592
01:09:38,420 --> 01:09:41,700
He saw with his own eyes
and thought it was worthwhile
593
01:09:41,700 --> 01:09:43,460
to put in his painting.
594
01:09:43,460 --> 01:09:46,460
And very interesting that he cut
it in this painting here,
595
01:09:46,460 --> 01:09:48,260
I would say.
596
01:09:48,260 --> 01:09:53,100
So we have here, the tulband
on top and so on...
597
01:09:53,100 --> 01:09:57,180
So, what is this light part?
This is the lightest.
598
01:09:57,180 --> 01:10:00,420
There's sort of a rectangle here.
That corresponds to that.
599
01:10:00,420 --> 01:10:02,940
To this one. It's really exactly
that, right?
600
01:10:02,940 --> 01:10:04,460
Yeah. Very funny.
601
01:10:04,460 --> 01:10:07,460
I've always been amazed
that you were able to connect
602
01:10:07,460 --> 01:10:09,020
that little sliver.
603
01:10:09,020 --> 01:10:12,020
I always thought, we'll never know
what was this supposed to be?
604
01:10:12,020 --> 01:10:13,700
And then you discovered this.
605
01:10:13,700 --> 01:10:16,100
I know.
606
01:10:16,100 --> 01:10:19,540
I guess I didn't look at it
as carefully as you did.
607
01:10:19,540 --> 01:10:24,100
So we have an object that
Vermeer actually touched.
608
01:10:24,100 --> 01:10:27,500
Yeah. Amazing. Yeah.
609
01:10:29,980 --> 01:10:31,940
Do you mind if I touch it
in the corner?
610
01:10:31,940 --> 01:10:33,980
Can I just touch it slightly?
611
01:10:33,980 --> 01:10:36,020
That...
Oh!
612
01:10:45,420 --> 01:10:46,980
Have we seen all the Vermeers?
613
01:10:46,980 --> 01:10:49,300
Yes, I think I've seen them all.
614
01:10:56,420 --> 01:11:01,100
My very last Vermeer
was the one in Berlin.
615
01:11:01,100 --> 01:11:02,740
What was it, a year ago?
616
01:11:02,740 --> 01:11:04,820
Yeah. A little bit
more than a year ago.
617
01:11:04,820 --> 01:11:08,180
The Glass Of Wine or
The Girl With A Glass Of Wine.
618
01:11:18,420 --> 01:11:22,460
And it was good to have put
this thing off, you know.
619
01:11:22,460 --> 01:11:26,780
You turn 71 and you see
your last Vermeer.
620
01:11:26,780 --> 01:11:28,980
And I was just really moved.
621
01:11:28,980 --> 01:11:30,860
I just walked into the room...
622
01:11:44,980 --> 01:11:46,660
I'm sorry.
623
01:11:46,660 --> 01:11:51,100
And it was just like
the first Vermeer I ever seen.
624
01:15:09,900 --> 01:15:12,020
Looks pretty amazing.
625
01:15:12,020 --> 01:15:16,540
I'm looking forward to having people
see them, compare them, and, yeah.
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