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(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
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- BUTCH BARR: Stephen.
- STEPHEN PANDOS: Hey, Butch.
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- How are you?
- STEPHEN: Good. How are you?
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- Yeah. Good seeing you again.
- STEPHEN: Good to see you too.
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BUTCH:
So tell me what's going on.
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The last time you and I spoke
about your situation...
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- Mm-hmm.
- ...with your sister,
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things were more
than a little unsettled.
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Can you bring me up-to-date?
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Yeah. The police department
lost the original case file.
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Turns out that they found it.
Don't know what's in it.
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They said
there was some new stuff
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that they were following up on.
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Is there a way for us
to get access to that...
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To the new case file?
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If it's
an ongoing investigation,
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they will not release
any information
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that would affect
the present investigation.
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- Sure.
- After 31 years,
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it is rare
for a police department
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to reopen a file,
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a case investigation,
unless they have...
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very good reason to do so.
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- Now, have you...
- Okay.
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...reconciled with your parents?
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No, no.
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- No?
- No.
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BUTCH: I keep coming back
to this idea
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of you getting your life
back together,
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and... and one of the ways
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to do that
is if there's a result,
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but it's not
the one you anticipate.
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What impact is that gonna have
on you?
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I don't know.
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♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
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INTERVIEWER:
So, Jennifer Pandos,
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you knew her, correct?
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Yes, I went to high school
with Jennifer Pandos,
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we were in the same classes
in school.
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INTERVIEWER: Do you remember
when she went missing?
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JAKE RICE: I can't say
that I remember the exact time.
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I knew her a lot more
when we were in middle school
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and grade school.
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When she went missing,
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everything that I knew
of at the time from school,
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was that she had ran away.
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Oh, okay.
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Okay. (CHUCKLES)
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INTERVIEWER:
So can you start out
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by just telling us a little bit
about Jennifer
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and your friendship,
and who she was...
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- (CHUCKLES)
- ...you know, just describe her.
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SHARON ROSE STEWARD:
She was like a firecracker.
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She didn't have fear.
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She sometimes didn't have
a filter. (CHUCKLING)
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She would just say
whatever was on her mind.
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INTERVIEWER:
So, if you don't mind
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tell me your name
and your relationship
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to the Pandos family.
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My name is Kerrie Campbell,
and I was Jennifer's friend.
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So we'd always hangout
at school together.
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She would go
with the popular kids,
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or with those
who weren't so popular
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and I was definitely not one
in the popular ones
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so it was nice
to have a friendship
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with somebody
who didn't really care
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if you were
with the in crowd or not.
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And if you were having
a bad day,
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one way or another,
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she would get you to laugh
or smile about something.
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I kinda miss that.
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Jenny is somebody I knew
from high school days.
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We had a good friendship.
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We talked most days
on the phone.
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You know, she was usually happy.
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I know that sometimes though,
she... she struggled.
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She didn't get angry often
but when she did,
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you could kinda see
that little temper flare.
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While Jenny and I
weren't a thing,
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I'd be a fool to say
that I didn't have a little bit
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of a crush on her, you know?
So part of my conversations
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were always looking
for that "in."
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(LAUGHS)
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JEFF SEIBERT:
But it mostly centered around...
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No way. We did not.
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...the clowning around.
I mean,
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it was one of the reasons
I liked talking to her,
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you know? She'd make me laugh.
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KERRIE CAMPBELL VALDEZ:
We did talk about the cars
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that we liked at the time
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and who we thought
we would marry.
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Well, for a long time,
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she thought
she was gonna marry Tony Tobler.
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JENNIFER PANDOS, ACTOR:
"A confession.
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A confession from my heart.
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I've really become
greatly inspired
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by caring for you.
You're my fantasy.
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One in which I've always
dreamed would come true.
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You're my shining star,
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my guiding light."
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"Carrying me
through the bad times,
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through day and night.
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You're someone I can count on,
rely on and confide in.
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You're my special friend.
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What I've said, of course,
is all true.
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There never will be,
or ever was,
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anyone quite
as wonderful as you."
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♪ (MELANCHOLY MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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TONY TOBLER:
I lived in Newport News
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and my mother lived
in Williamsburg and I
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came to live with her,
and started high school
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at Lafayette.
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SHARON: And the girls were,
like, crazy over Tony.
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I remember that...
Everybody like...
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Plus, he was a new guy,
and he was cute.
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But the girls went nuts
over him.
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CORI TOBLER:
We dated for a short time
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and then stopped for...
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- months.
- TONY: Hmm.
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- And that's when he dated her.
- Yeah.
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RON PANDOS: Infatuation.
Boyfriend-girlfriend type deal.
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I think that's the way
she looked at it.
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Um... I don't know
how he looked at it.
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MARGIE PANDOS: He was
two years older than she was,
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and they didn't date
like we dated.
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There were
no Saturday night movies,
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or Friday night football games.
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I just thought
it was hanging out at school.
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As far
as a physical relationship,
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I had no clue.
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No clue.
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MARGIE: They were home
from school, 2:30, 3:30,
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somewhere in that neighborhood.
And I didn't get home
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from work until 5:00.
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He had gotten her pregnant,
and we had a... had an abortion.
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She just came out and told me
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what she and Tony had decided
that they wanted to do about it.
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RON: How did I react to it?
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Shocked.
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- ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
- Pissed off.
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Um...
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Wanting to know
what in the world was going on
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with both of them.
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I did not want her to see Tony.
I did not want Tony to see her.
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I knew that that was something
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that was an embarrassment
for them.
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Like, a major embarrassment
for them.
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But...
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I don't really think
he liked our relationship
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before that happened.
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A lot of it has...
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The community
that they lived in,
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like I said, was at the time,
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was the premiere gated community
in Williamsburg.
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And I lived in a trailer park.
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Her parents did not like that.
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Her dad
was a very controlling person.
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Like, with the whole family.
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♪ (MELANCHOLY MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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- Hey, Wen. I'm Stephen,
how are you?
- Hey, Stephen.
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-I'm doing good.
-STEPHEN: Good to see you.
Give me a hug.
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STEPHEN: You guys didn't spend
a lot of time at our house.
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Right?
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- WENDY JUEDE: No...
- STEPHEN: Yeah.
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...not really. I don't know,
there's been a few people
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I've been around in my life
that made me very uneasy.
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Your dad,
he was one of them people.
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Did she ever say anything
to you about...
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problems that she had
with my father or mother,
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or anything like that?
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She had had an abortion.
And then things were...
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You could tell
there was more tension
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- in the house after that.
- Right.
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WENDY: From that point on,
he was gonna know
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everything she was doing.
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Of course,
her and Tony breaking up and...
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STEPHEN: Yeah,
I don't remember too much
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about that relationship
but was it volatile?
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Was it... Or typical, sort of,
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high school relationship
kinda thing?
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- Yeah, typical high school.
- Yeah.
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Tony had done moved on,
you know?
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- Right.
- He had done moved on with Cori.
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SHARON: She was torn up
over breaking up with Tony.
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And then,
we started dating again.
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And...
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it seemed fine.
I think it was harder on her
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than we realized at the time.
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SHARON: When Cori and Tony
started dating,
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it was like a challenge
for Jennifer.
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She would walk by his classes.
She would go by Cori's classes.
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She would do things...
(CHUCKLES) ...just to like,
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aggravate her... Cori.
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Um, or to make sure
that Tony knew
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that she was around.
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She would do s...
(BREATHES SHAKILY)
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(SOBS) But that's... you know,
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and she would tell me she would
do this stuff, you know?
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(CLICKS TONGUE) Um...
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She hated Cori. (LAUGHS)
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JENNIFER, ACTOR:
I can't do this anymore.
I feel like I'm going crazy.
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(SOBS, BREATHES HEAVILY)
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MARGIE: Fifteen is not
the nicest year of your life.
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I do remember,
she just broke down
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and said she didn't want
to be crazy.
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Jennifer knew she needed help.
But she just wasn't ready yet,
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or I had not found
the proper person
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for her to talk to.
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You could see
when your child's in pain.
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You want to do everything
you can for them and...
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that's my greatest failure
in life.
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♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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KERRIE: I was just shocked
that she left.
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It just seemed like she had
a good group of friends
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that she could've talked to.
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I just remember thinking,
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"What was so wrong
that you had to just go?"
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INTERVIEWER:
What was your gut reaction
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to the notion
that she had run away?
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It kinda seemed like her.
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It seemed definitely plausible
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that she had decided
to go somewhere for a while.
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INTERVIEWER:
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How well do I think I knew her?
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- I mean, I knew her.
- CORI: Or you think
you know her.
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Yeah. But I mean, like,
if you're asking me,
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"Do I think it's possible
there was a whole another side
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to her that I didn't know?"
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I guess that's possible.
I don't know.
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And I remember too,
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at some point...
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It might have been
in junior high.
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I do remember Jennifer
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running away once.
I don't know why though.
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- I don't remember why.
- Right.
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STEPHEN: You know, just curious,
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if you have anything
that you remember
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from people speculating
what might've happened when...
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about the time she disappeared
or anything?
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I... I remember
when it all happened...
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- STEPHEN: Mm-hmm.
- And, you know, of course,
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it was all the whisper
at school,
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- you know, because the police
were involved.
- STEPHEN: Sure.
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But I felt like it faded away
pretty quickly though.
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Now that I'm older,
I'm thinking back,
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"Why did it come off like that?"
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To me, it should've been
search parties...
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- STEPHEN: Right.
- ...it should've been,
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"This is not normal.
This is Williamsburg."
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- STEPHEN: Right.
- And I never got that feeling.
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I never... You know? And...
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Um...
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STEPHEN: Right,
because I think, you know,
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typically, the parents
are the ones, you know,
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who drive those kinda things
to happen.
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- THOMAS ANDERSON: Right.
- STEPHEN: Right?
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And I don't know
that my parents ever...
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made those things happen.
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Right?
If that makes sense. Right?
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Yeah, it does.
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And honestly, it never
crossed my mind that way...
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- Oh.
- ...till now.
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(CRICKETS CHIRPING)
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MARGIE: I didn't write the note.
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I didn't leave it in her room.
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I didn't help Ron
remove the body from the house.
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- INVESTIGATOR: Okay. So...
- I didn't help...
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INVESTIGATOR: So Ron
removed the body from the house?
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If he did, I didn't help him!
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- ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
- (KNOCKING)
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- Hey, what's up?
- STEPHEN: How you doing?
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DONNIE NORRELL:
Have you ever met Lena?
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- STEPHEN: Oh, no. Hi, Ms. Lena.
- Hi.
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- STEPHEN: Okay, great.
- LENA SISCO: Nice to meet you.
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-STEPHEN: Nice to meet you too.
Thank you very much for...
-Oh, you're welcome.
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DONNIE: She's gonna help
with the interview with Margie.
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- STEPHEN: Okay.
- DONNIE: She was
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- a Navy interrogator.
- LENA: Mm.
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She learned how to pick up
on deceptive behavior
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and we're gonna team up,
and we've been discussing...
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- STEPHEN: Yeah. Uh-huh.
- ...our approach and everything.
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Going down there to Charlotte...
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- STEPHEN: Mm-hmm.
- ...to interview your mom,
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do you think she's willing
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or have you talked
with her recently about it?
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STEPHEN: I think that
she'll do it. She's done...
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everything
that I've ever asked her to do.
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Evidently, she feels
in her mind she's already,
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for the last 30 years,
had been telling what she knows.
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There may be
some really stronger...
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I think there are some
semantics to what she says
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versus what she knows.
But she knows.
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You know, in that interview,
there's this one section
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-of where she...
Almost like a Freudian slip...
-LENA: Mm-hmm.
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...she's like "I didn't help Ron
remove the body from the house."
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That's huge.
"I didn't help Ron..."
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STEPHEN: "I didn't help Ron
remove the body from the house."
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LENA: Deception,
I look for it, and I hear it.
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So, "I didn't" is indicative
of a truthful statement.
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Now, not a hundred percent.
If she were to say, "I did not,"
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- it's what we call a
convincing language.
- STEPHEN: Right.
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But the fact
that it just came out,
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- "I didn't help Ron
remove the body..."
- STEPHEN: Mm-hmm.
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...seems that it could be
a very truthful statement.
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DONNIE: I got in my notes,
in July 23rd, 2009, interview,
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one of the questions asked,
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"Where do you think
the body is?"
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She said, "In the river,
mill pond, railroad tracks."
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She made those...
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Those were kinda weird comments.
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I have had 22 years
to imagine where that child is.
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From what I told you,
James River, the river po...
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The mill pond,
the railroad track.
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God only knows
where he could've taken her.
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(BIRDS CHIRPING)
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INTERVIEWER:
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(WENDI REED CHUCKLES)
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It was...
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kind of a mixed feeling I guess,
once that case file was found.
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On one hand, I was very excited
because I thought that
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it may give us some further
avenues to investigate
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and potentially bring it in
to the case.
326
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On the other hand,
it kind of made us look stupid,
327
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and not very professional.
328
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INTERVIEWER:
Can you tell us where it was?
329
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I can only tell you
where I was told it was.
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It was found
in the records room,
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in a box of old case files.
332
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INTERVIEWER: And how does
something like that happen?
333
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I don't know.
334
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I know the records
had been searched
335
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at least three different times,
336
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thoroughly, for this case file,
and it wasn't there.
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And then it was.
338
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-INTERVIEWER:
-(SMACKS LIPS) It does.
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♪ (SOLEMN MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
340
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WENDI: I don't know
all of what Jake has done.
341
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I don't know all of what
was in that case file.
342
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I can see how that would be
confusing for Stephen.
343
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INTERVIEWER: Given that
the original case file
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has reappeared,
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00:17:01,768 --> 00:17:05,837
what is your gut instinct now
about the case?
346
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My 99-percent gut
347
00:17:08,308 --> 00:17:12,477
is that the parents
are responsible for the note.
348
00:17:12,546 --> 00:17:13,578
(GRUNTS)
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DONNIE: I challenge anybody
that has a teenager
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that wakes up in the morning
and finds this crazy note,
351
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that's not gonna
immediately call 911.
352
00:17:24,591 --> 00:17:27,525
- She's never done this before.
- INTERVIEWER: She has.
353
00:17:27,594 --> 00:17:31,262
She ran away one time,
how long was she gone?
354
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INTERVIEWER: I don't know
but it is part of her...
355
00:17:34,868 --> 00:17:37,001
- Where is she gonna go?
- So, it's not fair to say
356
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she's never done this before.
357
00:17:39,635 --> 00:17:40,705
It's not fair to say.
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- ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
- I just...
359
00:17:42,943 --> 00:17:44,409
It doesn't make sense.
360
00:17:44,478 --> 00:17:49,251
What doesn't make sense
usually isn't true.
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♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
362
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INTERVIEWER: We talked
to Stephen this morning,
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he's wanting to call you today.
364
00:18:09,403 --> 00:18:12,203
He wants to ask you
to do one more interview.
365
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- MARGIE: With?
- INTERVIEWER: So.
366
00:18:13,775 --> 00:18:15,639
He's hired this PI.
367
00:18:15,708 --> 00:18:20,178
I can't understand why he would
hire a private detective.
368
00:18:20,247 --> 00:18:23,247
I don't know
what they could glean
369
00:18:23,316 --> 00:18:27,755
- that the police hadn't already.
- (TELEPHONE RINGING)
370
00:18:35,963 --> 00:18:37,461
Hello?
371
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- STEPHEN: (OVER PHONE) Hey, Mom.
- Hi, Stevie.
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- STEPHEN: How are you?
- I'm all right. How about you?
373
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STEPHEN: I'm doing okay.
374
00:18:45,439 --> 00:18:49,808
So on Saturday,
would you be open to talking
375
00:18:49,877 --> 00:18:53,978
to Donnie Norrell
and his partner, Lena,
376
00:18:54,047 --> 00:18:55,583
about Jennifer?
377
00:18:56,884 --> 00:18:59,251
I have no problem with that.
378
00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,419
STEPHEN: Okay. Well,
I didn't think that you would.
379
00:19:01,488 --> 00:19:04,559
But I just... I just have
to ask. That's all.
380
00:19:04,959 --> 00:19:06,189
Okay.
381
00:19:07,527 --> 00:19:09,828
STEPHEN: All right,
well, I miss you lots
382
00:19:09,897 --> 00:19:12,734
and love you lots, and, um...
383
00:19:15,269 --> 00:19:16,571
I'll uh...
384
00:19:18,339 --> 00:19:22,240
- I miss you too.
- I know you do. I know you do.
385
00:19:22,309 --> 00:19:23,874
I will talk to you
in a day or two.
386
00:19:23,943 --> 00:19:26,745
Just let me work out
the details here, okay?
387
00:19:26,814 --> 00:19:29,080
- Okay.
- Okay. Bye.
388
00:19:29,149 --> 00:19:30,918
- Bye.
- Bye, Mom. Bye.
389
00:19:33,186 --> 00:19:37,625
(SNIFFLES, BREATHES DEEPLY)
390
00:19:39,460 --> 00:19:41,896
I don't know how long it's been
since I've seen him.
391
00:19:43,897 --> 00:19:45,433
I really don't remember.
392
00:19:47,267 --> 00:19:48,436
(SNIFFLES)
393
00:19:49,070 --> 00:19:50,305
Oh, well...
394
00:19:52,172 --> 00:19:54,672
♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
395
00:19:54,741 --> 00:19:56,507
LENA: When I prepare
for an interview,
396
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the question
is purposely phrased
397
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- to elicit a narrative response.
- STEPHEN: Mm-hmm.
398
00:20:01,315 --> 00:20:03,982
And so, as she's giving me
a narrative response
399
00:20:04,051 --> 00:20:06,617
and I'm detecting deception,
it helps me determine
400
00:20:06,686 --> 00:20:08,186
whether or not
you're being truthful.
401
00:20:08,255 --> 00:20:09,553
STEPHEN: All right.
402
00:20:09,622 --> 00:20:12,524
I'm gonna have a, you know,
a short chat with her before
403
00:20:12,593 --> 00:20:15,493
and just encourage her
to tell the truth.
404
00:20:15,562 --> 00:20:17,924
DONNIE: Are we gonna be
in a position to...
405
00:20:17,993 --> 00:20:19,564
- LENA: Hmm.
- ...make any offer
406
00:20:19,633 --> 00:20:22,367
about the family
being back together
407
00:20:22,436 --> 00:20:24,769
or see your grandkids,
that kinda stuff?
408
00:20:24,838 --> 00:20:28,343
I think the most honest answer
is I'm willing to do the work.
409
00:20:34,181 --> 00:20:36,282
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
410
00:20:36,351 --> 00:20:39,387
(BIRDS CHIRPING)
411
00:20:42,389 --> 00:20:47,795
♪ (GENTLE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
412
00:20:52,399 --> 00:20:55,600
So we're on the way
to see my mother.
413
00:20:55,669 --> 00:20:58,769
Maybe the first time
I've seen her in...
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00:20:58,838 --> 00:21:02,344
quite a few years.
I haven't been out to her house.
415
00:21:03,810 --> 00:21:06,014
I can't even remember
the last time I was here.
416
00:21:06,948 --> 00:21:08,311
I'm very nervous.
417
00:21:22,296 --> 00:21:23,327
Last time I saw him,
418
00:21:23,396 --> 00:21:25,067
he wouldn't even let me
touch him.
419
00:21:37,344 --> 00:21:39,514
(BIRDS CHIRPING)
420
00:21:47,321 --> 00:21:49,624
(KNOCKING)
421
00:22:00,702 --> 00:22:02,567
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
422
00:22:02,636 --> 00:22:05,270
STEPHEN: You know, first I want
to say that I believe in you,
423
00:22:05,339 --> 00:22:08,339
I love you, you're forgiven.
424
00:22:08,408 --> 00:22:11,444
You still have immunity.
And I'm here for you.
425
00:22:11,513 --> 00:22:12,747
I'm with you.
426
00:22:15,516 --> 00:22:16,884
(MARGIE SIGHS)
427
00:22:19,047 --> 00:22:22,548
I don't know what happened.
428
00:22:22,617 --> 00:22:25,723
And...
and you're rolling your eyes
and throwing your head.
429
00:22:25,792 --> 00:22:29,597
All I know is that Jennifer
was not there
430
00:22:30,330 --> 00:22:32,030
when I went downstairs.
431
00:22:32,099 --> 00:22:34,299
It's not what you want to hear.
432
00:22:34,368 --> 00:22:37,172
It's not
what you think you need.
433
00:22:37,605 --> 00:22:38,840
But that's...
434
00:22:40,174 --> 00:22:41,404
what I have.
435
00:22:42,504 --> 00:22:45,876
The story, you know,
around Jennifer's disappearance
436
00:22:45,945 --> 00:22:50,085
has... has got to make sense.
It’s got to be logical and...
437
00:22:51,085 --> 00:22:52,454
reasonable and...
438
00:22:53,420 --> 00:22:54,953
It doesn't make sense.
439
00:22:55,022 --> 00:22:58,391
After all your father
has put me through...
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00:22:58,460 --> 00:23:00,292
STEPHEN: Mm-hmm.
441
00:23:00,361 --> 00:23:02,394
...why in the world
would you think
442
00:23:02,463 --> 00:23:05,596
I would protect him?
I have no reason to.
443
00:23:05,665 --> 00:23:08,699
- I... Mom, I... You know...
- I have no reason to.
444
00:23:08,768 --> 00:23:12,465
STEPHEN: You know, I think Dad
was abusive, emotionally, to you
445
00:23:12,534 --> 00:23:15,710
and I think it's just...
I think it's really complicated.
446
00:23:16,476 --> 00:23:17,843
I've gone back in my mind,
447
00:23:17,912 --> 00:23:21,212
I can't think of anything
that happened
448
00:23:21,281 --> 00:23:23,518
that would make me suspicious.
449
00:23:24,051 --> 00:23:25,020
Nothing.
450
00:23:26,053 --> 00:23:26,918
STEPHEN: Just try.
451
00:23:26,987 --> 00:23:29,053
Think of everything
you have to gain.
452
00:23:29,122 --> 00:23:30,125
I have your back.
453
00:23:31,292 --> 00:23:33,056
And I always have.
454
00:23:33,125 --> 00:23:35,728
- You know, we... I... We...
- I know that,
and you've said that,
455
00:23:35,797 --> 00:23:37,562
and it just makes me feel
456
00:23:37,631 --> 00:23:39,965
like you're the judge
and the jury,
457
00:23:40,034 --> 00:23:40,954
and you've convicted me
458
00:23:41,001 --> 00:23:42,768
of something
that I haven't done,
459
00:23:42,837 --> 00:23:44,702
that I have no knowledge of.
460
00:23:44,771 --> 00:23:47,406
I want you and my grandchildren
back in my life.
461
00:23:47,475 --> 00:23:48,807
I want to see you happy.
462
00:23:48,876 --> 00:23:51,176
But I don't have it
to give you, Stephen.
463
00:23:51,245 --> 00:23:53,011
- I just don't have it.
- Okay.
464
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:54,846
MARGIE: Now, if you want
to convict me
465
00:23:54,915 --> 00:23:56,514
and take me to James City County
466
00:23:56,583 --> 00:23:59,521
and throw me in the jail
right now, today...
467
00:24:00,888 --> 00:24:03,225
all I have to do
is make two phone calls.
468
00:24:04,692 --> 00:24:06,023
- And...
- STEPHEN: Don't...
469
00:24:06,092 --> 00:24:08,392
- ...sign over any money I have
to you.
- I don't want it.
470
00:24:08,461 --> 00:24:09,622
You've threatened
to take my home.
471
00:24:09,664 --> 00:24:11,796
- Me?
- Yes, you did.
472
00:24:11,865 --> 00:24:14,560
-I don't... I don't need it, Mom.
I...
-I know you don't need it.
473
00:24:14,629 --> 00:24:16,969
- I don't need...
- But that's what
you threatened to do.
474
00:24:17,038 --> 00:24:20,033
Yes, I did look
at... at suing you and Dad.
475
00:24:20,102 --> 00:24:21,840
But it was not over money.
476
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:24,076
It was just
because I wanted a judge
477
00:24:24,145 --> 00:24:27,378
to say you did it
and you're responsible.
478
00:24:27,447 --> 00:24:30,248
Nothing was ever about money.
479
00:24:30,317 --> 00:24:31,582
- I...
- No, I know th...
480
00:24:31,651 --> 00:24:34,419
What you were doing
was not out of needing money
481
00:24:34,488 --> 00:24:38,289
-or wanting money.
It was for punishment.
-It was just... No, Mom.
482
00:24:38,358 --> 00:24:39,658
- Yes.
- It was... I just...
483
00:24:39,727 --> 00:24:41,896
- Excuse me a minute.
- You know...
484
00:24:43,030 --> 00:24:45,664
it's not about you,
it's about Dad. But...
485
00:24:45,733 --> 00:24:50,738
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
486
00:24:52,572 --> 00:24:55,538
It just hurts
that you don't believe me.
487
00:24:57,311 --> 00:24:59,281
Just try, you know?
488
00:25:00,180 --> 00:25:01,283
That's all I'm asking.
489
00:25:03,050 --> 00:25:04,082
Okay?
490
00:25:04,151 --> 00:25:08,723
I gotta go. This is just
too hard for me right now. Okay?
491
00:25:11,825 --> 00:25:15,328
- MARGIE: I love you.
- STEPHEN: I love you too. Okay?
492
00:25:15,397 --> 00:25:17,095
(MARGIE SOBS)
493
00:25:17,164 --> 00:25:19,498
STEPHEN:
All right. All right. Mm-hmm.
494
00:25:19,567 --> 00:25:20,932
MARGIE:
495
00:25:21,001 --> 00:25:22,904
STEPHEN: It's okay. It's okay.
496
00:25:24,371 --> 00:25:27,906
- Okay?
- MARGIE: (BREATHES SHAKILY)
497
00:25:27,975 --> 00:25:30,508
- STEPHEN: Yes. Okay?
- Okay.
498
00:25:30,577 --> 00:25:33,211
STEPHEN: All right.
And just try, all right?
499
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:34,307
I love you lots.
500
00:25:34,376 --> 00:25:35,674
- MARGIE: I love you.
- STEPHEN: Okay.
501
00:25:35,716 --> 00:25:38,786
MARGIE: Bye.
(SNIFFLES, BREATHES DEEPLY)
502
00:25:48,528 --> 00:25:50,295
MARGIE:
I know nothing makes sense.
503
00:25:50,364 --> 00:25:52,934
Nothing has ever made sense.
504
00:25:54,168 --> 00:25:55,867
It's just hard
505
00:25:55,936 --> 00:25:59,074
to not be believed by anyone.
506
00:26:06,380 --> 00:26:07,511
(KNOCKING)
507
00:26:07,580 --> 00:26:09,117
Let's get this over with, folks.
508
00:26:11,418 --> 00:26:12,720
- Hi.
- Hey there. Hi.
509
00:26:17,057 --> 00:26:18,924
DONNIE: Stephen just wants
to know the truth.
510
00:26:18,993 --> 00:26:21,594
- No matter what, a son...
- "No matter what...
511
00:26:21,663 --> 00:26:22,921
- No...
- ...I've got your back."
512
00:26:22,963 --> 00:26:25,163
- No matter...
- "You know, you got immunity."
513
00:26:25,232 --> 00:26:29,171
I am tired of hearing
those phrases.
514
00:26:30,837 --> 00:26:33,104
- I want to help Stephen.
- DONNIE: Well, good.
515
00:26:33,173 --> 00:26:35,607
MARGIE: But I think he's so far
down that rabbit hole
516
00:26:35,676 --> 00:26:37,879
that he's never gonna
come out of it.
517
00:26:39,379 --> 00:26:42,747
Why don't we just start off
with you bringing us
518
00:26:42,816 --> 00:26:44,752
- back to that night?
- (ZIPPER ZIPPING)
519
00:26:45,352 --> 00:26:47,380
She went to her room
520
00:26:47,449 --> 00:26:49,754
and when I got ready
to go upstairs,
521
00:26:49,823 --> 00:26:53,425
I knocked on her door
and went in, and...
522
00:26:53,494 --> 00:26:54,892
LENA: Describe that to me.
523
00:26:54,961 --> 00:26:59,897
Where was she in her bedroom?
What was she wearing?
524
00:26:59,966 --> 00:27:03,438
She was wearing a night shirt
that had a panda bear.
525
00:27:04,905 --> 00:27:06,638
Her bed was on that wall
526
00:27:06,707 --> 00:27:09,241
and there was a table
beside her bed.
527
00:27:09,310 --> 00:27:13,379
In that "L," that's where
she was standing.
528
00:27:13,448 --> 00:27:14,713
And I remember that,
529
00:27:14,782 --> 00:27:18,511
that picture is engraved
in my mind.
530
00:27:18,580 --> 00:27:21,223
- I will never lose it.
- LENA: Yeah. And?
531
00:27:22,457 --> 00:27:23,725
And...
532
00:27:24,891 --> 00:27:29,860
what happened between the time
that I saw that note
533
00:27:29,929 --> 00:27:33,799
and what was said
between Ron and I at that time,
534
00:27:33,868 --> 00:27:35,633
I couldn't tell you.
535
00:27:35,702 --> 00:27:37,470
LENA: So, how did you feel
when you found
536
00:27:37,539 --> 00:27:39,041
and read that note?
537
00:27:39,574 --> 00:27:40,808
Panic.
538
00:27:44,344 --> 00:27:47,749
I was afraid of her anger...
539
00:27:48,748 --> 00:27:53,519
if we didn't do
what we were asked to do.
540
00:27:53,588 --> 00:27:54,886
LENA: Mm-hmm.
541
00:27:54,955 --> 00:27:57,189
MARGIE: Several days later,
I noticed
542
00:27:57,258 --> 00:28:00,626
the Venetian blind
on that Palladian window
543
00:28:00,695 --> 00:28:03,061
in the front was raised.
544
00:28:03,130 --> 00:28:06,598
Somebody was looking out
and had raised the little slat
545
00:28:06,667 --> 00:28:09,868
in the blind,
and it hadn't gone down.
546
00:28:09,937 --> 00:28:12,136
LENA: There's a lot
of accusations that Ron
547
00:28:12,205 --> 00:28:14,105
- had something to do with it.
- MARGIE: Right.
548
00:28:14,174 --> 00:28:16,675
How do you feel
about those accusations?
549
00:28:16,744 --> 00:28:18,877
I live in two worlds.
550
00:28:18,946 --> 00:28:20,846
- My child disappeared.
- Mm-hmm.
551
00:28:20,915 --> 00:28:23,018
- MARGIE: She left home.
- LENA: Mm-hmm.
552
00:28:23,885 --> 00:28:25,087
And then...
553
00:28:26,753 --> 00:28:28,821
the world
that her father killed her.
554
00:28:28,890 --> 00:28:30,922
I knew the world
555
00:28:30,991 --> 00:28:33,286
- that my daughter disappeared...
- Mm-hmm.
556
00:28:33,355 --> 00:28:34,529
...that she'd left home...
557
00:28:35,930 --> 00:28:37,232
far longer...
558
00:28:38,698 --> 00:28:42,734
than the world
of Ron killing his daughter.
559
00:28:42,803 --> 00:28:46,041
I never suspected that.
560
00:28:47,242 --> 00:28:48,106
Never.
561
00:28:48,175 --> 00:28:49,340
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
562
00:28:49,409 --> 00:28:51,710
DONNIE: I do wanna ask you
this one question.
563
00:28:51,779 --> 00:28:54,516
- Margie,
did you write that note?
- No.
564
00:28:56,211 --> 00:28:57,983
No, I did not.
565
00:28:58,052 --> 00:29:00,051
DONNIE: Could you have been
put into a position
566
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,755
where Ron said,
"I'm gonna go to jail for this
567
00:29:02,824 --> 00:29:04,622
- if you don't help me out."
- No, no.
568
00:29:04,691 --> 00:29:09,064
-DONNIE: I don't know.
I mean, I'm just...
-No, never, never, never, never.
569
00:29:09,730 --> 00:29:10,929
DONNIE: Whose idea was it
570
00:29:10,998 --> 00:29:13,301
to not call
the police right then?
571
00:29:14,668 --> 00:29:16,367
I can't say
that it was mine totally,
572
00:29:16,436 --> 00:29:20,872
- but I know I had a voice in...
- I got you.
573
00:29:20,941 --> 00:29:23,208
Did you ever see the note
and go,
574
00:29:23,277 --> 00:29:26,111
"Ron, who the hell
is this father figure?"
575
00:29:26,180 --> 00:29:28,680
-"Do you have any idea?"
You never?
-No. No.
576
00:29:28,749 --> 00:29:31,316
- DONNIE: You never did that?
- No. No. No.
577
00:29:31,385 --> 00:29:33,885
- DONNIE: See, I'm a little...
- I know you're confused and...
578
00:29:33,954 --> 00:29:36,621
I am confused
because I'm trying to think of...
579
00:29:36,690 --> 00:29:38,023
I'm trying to put my shoes...
580
00:29:38,092 --> 00:29:40,225
- into your shoes.
- It fits the bill of not being
581
00:29:40,294 --> 00:29:42,493
- what the normal would do.
- DONNIE: Right.
582
00:29:42,562 --> 00:29:46,999
That has been thrown
in my face a kazillion times.
583
00:29:47,068 --> 00:29:48,899
DONNIE: And I'm not really sure
about this.
584
00:29:48,968 --> 00:29:53,041
LENA: What would you want us
to tell Stephen today?
585
00:29:55,342 --> 00:29:57,108
That your mother
honestly doesn't know
586
00:29:57,177 --> 00:29:58,947
what happened to your sister.
587
00:30:16,491 --> 00:30:18,029
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
588
00:30:18,098 --> 00:30:21,099
LENA: The thing is,
with this case, we don't have
589
00:30:21,168 --> 00:30:24,870
concrete evidence or facts
to use in it.
590
00:30:24,939 --> 00:30:26,238
We have a lot of hearsay,
591
00:30:26,307 --> 00:30:27,906
we have things
that have been retracted,
592
00:30:27,975 --> 00:30:29,334
we have been told something,
then said,
593
00:30:29,376 --> 00:30:32,344
"Well, that wasn't the case."
So when we interview people,
594
00:30:32,413 --> 00:30:34,946
the only thing
we have to go by is,
595
00:30:35,015 --> 00:30:37,949
and especially for me,
is detecting that deception.
596
00:30:38,018 --> 00:30:40,384
She remembers everything
up, you know, to the point,
597
00:30:40,453 --> 00:30:42,855
and she cried every time
she pictured Jennifer.
598
00:30:42,924 --> 00:30:44,889
Like, "I remember
she was standing here,
599
00:30:44,958 --> 00:30:46,924
this is what she was wearing,"
to the detail,
600
00:30:46,993 --> 00:30:48,988
and she would cry every time
she had that last image.
601
00:30:49,030 --> 00:30:50,929
And she was very emphatic
with us, saying,
602
00:30:50,998 --> 00:30:52,463
"I did not see her after that."
603
00:30:52,532 --> 00:30:54,226
I believe she's being
a hundred percent truthful.
604
00:30:54,268 --> 00:30:56,234
That was the last time
she had eyes on Jennifer.
605
00:30:56,303 --> 00:30:58,069
So then, how does my mother
fail a polygraph?
606
00:30:58,138 --> 00:31:00,538
And was it a failure,
or was it inconclusive?
607
00:31:00,607 --> 00:31:02,735
One thing that I remember
off the thing from my mother
608
00:31:02,804 --> 00:31:04,169
was like, you know,
deception indicated.
609
00:31:04,211 --> 00:31:06,044
- It wasn't inconclusive.
- Oh, right.
610
00:31:06,113 --> 00:31:07,933
LENA: But then you got
to go to the specific questions.
611
00:31:07,975 --> 00:31:09,474
- There's so much
you need to know.
- Yeah, I know.
612
00:31:09,516 --> 00:31:11,109
DONNIE: I thought
the handwriting on the note,
613
00:31:11,151 --> 00:31:13,018
that your father was...
614
00:31:13,087 --> 00:31:14,780
- STEPHEN: He was ruled out.
- ...ruled out,
615
00:31:14,822 --> 00:31:17,021
- but the mother wasn't.
- That's right.
616
00:31:17,090 --> 00:31:19,691
And that's why I just feel like
she wrote the note.
617
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:20,858
Right.
618
00:31:20,927 --> 00:31:23,929
My top of the list is still
Ron accidentally killed her.
619
00:31:23,998 --> 00:31:26,197
And I would believe that.
And that is, you know,
620
00:31:26,266 --> 00:31:27,632
consistent
with my father saying,
621
00:31:27,701 --> 00:31:30,035
"Hypothetically, I hit her
and she fell
and hit her head."
622
00:31:30,104 --> 00:31:31,329
That's my top
of the list, really.
623
00:31:31,371 --> 00:31:33,772
Yeah, top of the list,
but I do...
624
00:31:33,841 --> 00:31:35,534
I believe your mom
is telling the truth
625
00:31:35,603 --> 00:31:37,475
with not knowing what happened.
626
00:31:37,544 --> 00:31:40,345
DONNIE: I believe your mom
doesn't know what happened.
627
00:31:40,414 --> 00:31:44,850
But I... I believe she helped
comprise the note.
628
00:31:44,919 --> 00:31:50,125
♪ (SOFT ELECTRONIC
MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
629
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,186
BUTCH:
Stephen has put a lot of stock
630
00:32:21,255 --> 00:32:25,591
in the fact that his mother sat
for a polygraph examination,
631
00:32:25,660 --> 00:32:28,192
and it showed deception.
632
00:32:28,261 --> 00:32:30,095
But when you read the summary,
633
00:32:30,164 --> 00:32:32,530
Jennifer had
a dental appointment
634
00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:35,700
and Mrs. Pandos
could not remember
635
00:32:35,769 --> 00:32:38,136
whether the dental appointment
was the tenth or the ninth,
636
00:32:38,205 --> 00:32:40,105
and so she was confused
on those dates.
637
00:32:40,174 --> 00:32:44,442
But this disappearance
occurred in 1987
638
00:32:44,511 --> 00:32:50,485
and this polygraph examination
was done in 2009.
639
00:32:51,552 --> 00:32:54,085
I'm gonna be confused.
640
00:32:54,154 --> 00:32:57,388
Now, part of the problem
with a polygraph examination
641
00:32:57,457 --> 00:33:00,158
and one reason that they
are notoriously unreliable
642
00:33:00,227 --> 00:33:02,961
and are not admissible evidence,
643
00:33:03,030 --> 00:33:04,897
when there's confusion
in the brain,
644
00:33:04,966 --> 00:33:06,431
blood pressure goes up.
645
00:33:06,500 --> 00:33:09,167
And that'll cause the needle
to register.
646
00:33:09,236 --> 00:33:12,237
It is merely an indication
that there's been a change
647
00:33:12,306 --> 00:33:14,939
in this person's
physiological makeup
648
00:33:15,008 --> 00:33:16,311
at that moment.
649
00:33:21,748 --> 00:33:26,117
Take everything in the note
that implicates the parents.
650
00:33:26,186 --> 00:33:27,820
And I know that the profiler
651
00:33:27,889 --> 00:33:30,392
who did an analysis
of the note...
652
00:33:31,659 --> 00:33:33,024
looked at all of that.
653
00:33:33,093 --> 00:33:35,259
Let me make reference to that.
654
00:33:35,328 --> 00:33:38,466
"Staging a runaway
or abduction...
655
00:33:39,901 --> 00:33:42,366
leads me to no other conclusion
656
00:33:42,435 --> 00:33:43,895
than the writer of the note
either perpetuated..."
657
00:33:43,937 --> 00:33:45,730
STEPHEN: "...the writer
of the note either perpetrated
658
00:33:45,772 --> 00:33:50,108
or assisted in, before or after,
the crime of abduction
659
00:33:50,177 --> 00:33:52,444
and, or murder
of Jennifer Pandos."
660
00:33:52,513 --> 00:33:54,246
KENNETH MORRIS:
"Based on this premise,
661
00:33:54,315 --> 00:33:57,248
your note is most likely
written by someone
662
00:33:57,317 --> 00:34:00,722
who would immediately come
under scrutiny by the police."
663
00:34:08,162 --> 00:34:10,165
What else can I tell ya?
(CHUCKLES)
664
00:34:10,798 --> 00:34:12,330
It's a staged crime scene.
665
00:34:12,399 --> 00:34:15,199
This person who wrote the note
is familiar with Jennifer
666
00:34:15,268 --> 00:34:16,935
and her routine,
and her schedule,
667
00:34:17,004 --> 00:34:18,703
and things
that were important to her.
668
00:34:18,772 --> 00:34:19,871
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
669
00:34:19,940 --> 00:34:21,776
INTERVIEWER:
670
00:34:32,385 --> 00:34:34,079
Can you talk a little bit
about that in general?
671
00:34:34,121 --> 00:34:35,853
Yeah, I can talk
about that in general.
672
00:34:35,922 --> 00:34:40,058
From a profiling standpoint,
if I were to create a profile,
673
00:34:40,127 --> 00:34:42,160
say, if I were to look
at a crime scene
674
00:34:42,229 --> 00:34:46,098
and come up with a profile
of the unknown offender,
675
00:34:46,167 --> 00:34:47,631
I would need
a lot of information.
676
00:34:47,700 --> 00:34:51,402
I don't want to know anything
at all about any suspects
677
00:34:51,471 --> 00:34:53,637
because that's gonna bias
my opinion.
678
00:34:53,706 --> 00:34:56,808
What I... What I wrote there
is based on what's written.
679
00:34:56,877 --> 00:35:00,315
Nothing else. You know,
again, it's written in a vacuum.
680
00:35:00,882 --> 00:35:02,284
INTERVIEWER:
681
00:35:04,819 --> 00:35:07,222
(KENNETH BREATHES DEEPLY)
682
00:35:07,955 --> 00:35:09,020
Yeah.
683
00:35:09,089 --> 00:35:10,325
INTERVIEWER:
684
00:35:18,099 --> 00:35:19,497
Right.
685
00:35:19,566 --> 00:35:21,869
-INTERVIEWER 1:
-INTERVIEWER 2:
686
00:35:23,337 --> 00:35:26,104
KENNETH: "If your note
contains personal information,
687
00:35:26,173 --> 00:35:27,639
your most plausible offender
688
00:35:27,708 --> 00:35:30,678
would be one
or both of the parents."
689
00:35:31,178 --> 00:35:32,743
Yeah, at the time
690
00:35:32,812 --> 00:35:35,742
that I was called in
to the investigation,
691
00:35:35,811 --> 00:35:40,118
they were the only suspects.
692
00:35:40,187 --> 00:35:42,120
The main reason
why I pointed to them
693
00:35:42,189 --> 00:35:44,555
was because there
was no one else about.
694
00:35:44,624 --> 00:35:45,990
I guess
what I should've written,
695
00:35:46,059 --> 00:35:52,330
in hindsight... hindsight now is,
"The perpetrator was someone
696
00:35:52,399 --> 00:35:55,266
who had a very close
relationship to Jennifer."
697
00:35:55,335 --> 00:35:58,003
And left it
somewhat ambiguous like that.
698
00:35:58,072 --> 00:35:59,397
JAKE: Think it's wrong.
Was it this?
699
00:35:59,439 --> 00:36:00,999
KENNETH: It was the statement
I made, right?
700
00:36:01,041 --> 00:36:04,409
- Is that what
you were reading here?
- It... Yeah, it was that margin
701
00:36:04,478 --> 00:36:07,278
that the parents
were probably the offenders.
702
00:36:07,347 --> 00:36:08,713
Well, I mean, what you wrote is,
703
00:36:08,782 --> 00:36:12,650
"If your note was fabricated
to misdirect the investigation."
704
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,852
We don't still know
that it's fabricated.
705
00:36:14,921 --> 00:36:18,557
- Right.
- Is there a possibility
that Jennifer was there
706
00:36:18,626 --> 00:36:20,391
when the note was being written?
707
00:36:20,460 --> 00:36:22,293
- KENNETH: It... It's possible...
- I mean,
708
00:36:22,362 --> 00:36:25,363
it's still a possibility...
709
00:36:25,432 --> 00:36:26,758
And she's provided
the information.
710
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,733
...that she left that night
on her own,
711
00:36:29,802 --> 00:36:32,104
thinking it was only gonna be
for a few days
712
00:36:32,173 --> 00:36:34,238
and something took place.
713
00:36:34,307 --> 00:36:36,141
♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
714
00:36:36,210 --> 00:36:37,690
STEPHEN:
"Your most plausible offender
715
00:36:37,745 --> 00:36:40,411
would be one
or both of the parents."
716
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,951
You know, I've read this
dozens of times and it's...
717
00:36:43,917 --> 00:36:44,886
haunting.
718
00:36:48,589 --> 00:36:52,490
He doesn't come out and say
that we wrote the note,
719
00:36:52,559 --> 00:36:54,562
but that's his implication.
720
00:36:55,395 --> 00:36:57,461
And it didn't happen.
721
00:36:57,530 --> 00:37:00,298
I can understand how Stephen,
in reading this,
722
00:37:00,367 --> 00:37:03,438
would feel the way
he does towards me but...
723
00:37:04,437 --> 00:37:06,772
these people don't know me.
724
00:37:06,841 --> 00:37:08,506
KENNETH:
The mistake that Stephen made
725
00:37:08,575 --> 00:37:11,776
is he's keyed in on his parents.
726
00:37:11,845 --> 00:37:14,880
And then, Jennifer disappears
with this cockamamie letter,
727
00:37:14,949 --> 00:37:16,648
well, then you have
a profiler saying,
728
00:37:16,717 --> 00:37:18,816
"Well, it's someone close
to Jennifer who wrote it,
729
00:37:18,885 --> 00:37:21,007
and there's no one else,
so it's probably the parents,"
730
00:37:21,049 --> 00:37:23,388
so he...
He just latched onto that.
731
00:37:23,457 --> 00:37:25,624
Well, he's painted himself
into a corner 'cause now...
732
00:37:25,693 --> 00:37:28,393
(STAMMERS)
733
00:37:28,462 --> 00:37:30,763
I guess he hates his parents
and his parents hate him.
734
00:37:30,832 --> 00:37:31,833
I don't know.
735
00:37:39,106 --> 00:37:40,442
Can I keep this one?
736
00:37:41,642 --> 00:37:43,508
I just like the picture
of my mom.
737
00:37:43,577 --> 00:37:45,276
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
738
00:37:45,345 --> 00:37:46,982
You know, she was so young.
739
00:37:50,918 --> 00:37:52,450
You know, baby me.
740
00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:54,022
But I like the picture
of my mom.
741
00:38:13,373 --> 00:38:15,406
DONNIE: Evidently,
there's a new lead
742
00:38:15,475 --> 00:38:17,809
that the police are following.
743
00:38:17,878 --> 00:38:21,946
The investigator
that did the analysis,
744
00:38:22,015 --> 00:38:26,451
he's back and a little bit off
the direction of the parents,
745
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,121
- maybe he knows
something that we don't know.
- Okay.
746
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:32,819
Yeah, I'd like to know. I wonder
what is making him back off.
747
00:38:32,888 --> 00:38:35,226
Can we rule suicide out?
748
00:38:35,295 --> 00:38:36,961
LENA: But her body
would've been found.
749
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:39,664
What, is she gonna trek
across the United States
750
00:38:39,733 --> 00:38:41,466
- to commit suicide?
- DONNIE: Yeah, true.
751
00:38:41,535 --> 00:38:45,037
Yeah. We would expect her
to turn up somewhere.
752
00:38:45,106 --> 00:38:46,204
Take this scenario,
753
00:38:46,273 --> 00:38:47,672
tell me what you think.
754
00:38:47,741 --> 00:38:49,574
DONNIE: Dad gets
into it with her.
755
00:38:49,643 --> 00:38:52,377
And then she says, "That's it,
I've had enough of this crap."
756
00:38:52,446 --> 00:38:54,046
- And she calls somebody.
- LENA: Mm-hmm.
757
00:38:54,115 --> 00:38:55,240
Hey, you have to come get me.
758
00:38:55,282 --> 00:38:57,149
I... I can't stay here anymore.
759
00:38:57,218 --> 00:39:00,551
DONNIE: They have to somehow
get past the security gate.
760
00:39:00,620 --> 00:39:02,481
LENA: And so, a person
couldn't come through and say,
761
00:39:02,523 --> 00:39:03,849
"Hey, I'm here
to see Jennifer Pandos.
762
00:39:03,891 --> 00:39:05,383
She lives at blah, blah, blah.
Here's a..."
763
00:39:05,425 --> 00:39:06,686
DONNIE:
They'd have to call the house.
764
00:39:06,728 --> 00:39:07,786
- Really? Wow.
- DONNIE: Yes.
765
00:39:07,828 --> 00:39:09,054
- LENA: What about this?
- (CLEARS THROAT)
766
00:39:09,096 --> 00:39:12,597
Friend parks his car
outside the community,
767
00:39:12,666 --> 00:39:15,733
walks, sneaks through the woods,
or whatever, walks to the house,
768
00:39:15,802 --> 00:39:18,469
they walk through the community
to his car outside the community
769
00:39:18,538 --> 00:39:20,232
so the car never has to come
through that gate.
770
00:39:20,274 --> 00:39:23,041
DONNIE: But the location
of the Pandos residence
771
00:39:23,110 --> 00:39:26,445
from the gate is,
I'm just gonna guess,
772
00:39:26,514 --> 00:39:27,813
over a mile.
773
00:39:27,882 --> 00:39:29,747
LENA: What if Jennifer
made the phone call?
774
00:39:29,816 --> 00:39:31,817
Remember, she used
to babysit for that guy, right?
775
00:39:31,886 --> 00:39:33,526
- Yeah. Mm-hmm.
- Called someone and said,
776
00:39:33,586 --> 00:39:34,986
"In twenty minutes
or half an hour,
777
00:39:35,055 --> 00:39:38,023
meet me at the 7-Eleven
or wherever, I'll be there.
778
00:39:38,092 --> 00:39:39,257
Pick me up, I'm done."
779
00:39:39,326 --> 00:39:40,458
Then leaves the house,
780
00:39:40,527 --> 00:39:42,427
walks by herself
through the path
781
00:39:42,496 --> 00:39:44,095
and meets whoever's
picking her up.
782
00:39:44,164 --> 00:39:45,833
DONNIE: What about the note?
783
00:39:46,766 --> 00:39:48,967
- (SIGHS)
- Jennifer didn't write the note.
784
00:39:49,036 --> 00:39:51,136
The note's written
out of a notebook
785
00:39:51,205 --> 00:39:53,005
that's there at the scene.
786
00:39:53,074 --> 00:39:54,906
See, this is why the note
787
00:39:54,975 --> 00:39:57,609
gets me
in almost every scenario.
788
00:39:57,678 --> 00:40:01,780
Just say this scenario.
Someone parks,
789
00:40:01,849 --> 00:40:04,182
walks through the woods
to the house
790
00:40:04,251 --> 00:40:06,384
to come to get her, okay?
791
00:40:06,453 --> 00:40:08,419
- LENA: Or she just meets him.
- I...
792
00:40:08,488 --> 00:40:10,658
Yeah, but the note is there.
793
00:40:26,507 --> 00:40:28,944
(PHONE LINE RINGING)
794
00:40:31,011 --> 00:40:32,304
JAKE: (OVER PHONE)
Investigator Rice.
795
00:40:32,346 --> 00:40:34,038
- Hey, Jake. Stephen Pandos.
- ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
796
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:38,116
I was just following up to see
if there was any kind of update
797
00:40:38,185 --> 00:40:40,952
- as to what you were doing?
- JAKE: Not at this time.
798
00:40:41,021 --> 00:40:43,588
- You know,
we're still working...
- Yup.
799
00:40:43,657 --> 00:40:44,850
JAKE: ...with what
we're working on,
800
00:40:44,892 --> 00:40:46,561
but there's nothing
that I can...
801
00:40:47,962 --> 00:40:50,898
- divulge or give out.
- Okay.
802
00:40:51,932 --> 00:40:53,235
JAKE: So, no...
803
00:41:00,542 --> 00:41:02,744
INTERVIEWER:
804
00:41:03,511 --> 00:41:05,810
Having a wide open,
805
00:41:05,879 --> 00:41:07,546
"Here's every step
that I'm doing,"
806
00:41:07,615 --> 00:41:09,181
I just can't do it.
807
00:41:09,250 --> 00:41:12,117
I've let him know
everything that's going on,
808
00:41:12,186 --> 00:41:13,884
it's 'cause
it's an open investigation,
809
00:41:13,953 --> 00:41:19,057
and he's running a...
his own side investigation.
810
00:41:19,126 --> 00:41:21,559
And that's the hard part for me.
I mean, yeah, he calls
811
00:41:21,628 --> 00:41:24,329
but until I have something
that's in concrete,
812
00:41:24,398 --> 00:41:25,864
that I can give him
the information,
813
00:41:25,933 --> 00:41:29,334
right now, I gotta keep cards
to myself.
814
00:41:29,403 --> 00:41:33,472
I just hope I catch who it is.
That's what I'm after.
815
00:41:33,541 --> 00:41:34,872
For me to sit here and say
816
00:41:34,941 --> 00:41:39,005
that I have no suspicions
on the parents would be a lie.
817
00:41:39,074 --> 00:41:40,815
I still have suspicions.
818
00:41:41,749 --> 00:41:43,342
There is still some things
819
00:41:43,411 --> 00:41:45,783
that you're like,
"Why'd this happen?"
820
00:41:45,852 --> 00:41:50,689
If I had to personally
describe this case,
821
00:41:50,758 --> 00:41:52,925
it's just like a roller coaster.
822
00:41:52,994 --> 00:41:55,027
That's the way it's went
over these years.
823
00:41:55,096 --> 00:41:57,429
We've had times
where we were down,
824
00:41:57,498 --> 00:41:59,630
there's nothing, and then,
825
00:41:59,699 --> 00:42:02,333
we have something
to work that file.
826
00:42:02,402 --> 00:42:07,305
Now we start to get somewhere.
And now, it's got other suspects
827
00:42:07,374 --> 00:42:09,741
so maybe we need
to do a loop back.
828
00:42:09,810 --> 00:42:16,218
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
829
00:42:30,830 --> 00:42:32,124
INTERVIEWER:
So if the police are looking
830
00:42:32,166 --> 00:42:35,770
at other suspects now,
who do you think that would be?
831
00:42:37,204 --> 00:42:41,373
The only one whose name
I've heard before was, um...
832
00:42:41,442 --> 00:42:44,977
a guy, last name "Hendrix,"
I can't remember his first name.
833
00:42:45,046 --> 00:42:46,245
Kerry, maybe...
834
00:42:46,314 --> 00:42:47,682
Um...
835
00:42:49,216 --> 00:42:51,649
who apparently, my sister
and some of her friends
836
00:42:51,718 --> 00:42:54,389
used to babysit for.
I don't know him.
837
00:42:55,757 --> 00:42:57,092
So I have no idea.
838
00:42:59,526 --> 00:43:02,527
WENDI: In 2006,
I was given information
839
00:43:02,596 --> 00:43:04,896
that Jennifer and another friend
had gone
840
00:43:04,965 --> 00:43:09,667
to a adult male's home
to babysit for him.
841
00:43:09,736 --> 00:43:12,740
And he would often
provide them with alcohol.
842
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,108
As I started to look
into that individual's history,
843
00:43:17,177 --> 00:43:19,878
I found that he
had been convicted
844
00:43:19,947 --> 00:43:24,616
of kidnapping,
and attempted kidnapping.
845
00:43:24,685 --> 00:43:26,884
I had a few locations on him.
846
00:43:26,953 --> 00:43:29,788
I had gone to the residence
that I believed he was at
847
00:43:29,857 --> 00:43:31,222
and tried to locate him there,
848
00:43:31,291 --> 00:43:34,460
but I was never able
to speak with him directly.
849
00:43:34,529 --> 00:43:36,831
(CRICKETS CHIRPING)
850
00:43:47,008 --> 00:43:49,140
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
851
00:43:49,209 --> 00:43:52,143
DONNIE:
Kerry Hendrix was a older man.
852
00:43:52,212 --> 00:43:57,281
There was mention in the note
of a father-like figure.
853
00:43:57,350 --> 00:43:59,985
He was arrested
for attempted abduction
854
00:44:00,054 --> 00:44:03,582
of a female on a college campus
there in Williamsburg.
855
00:44:03,651 --> 00:44:06,692
A peer said it was
a sexual assault attempt.
856
00:44:06,761 --> 00:44:08,160
He would be somebody
857
00:44:08,229 --> 00:44:09,928
that you would definitely
have to look at
858
00:44:09,997 --> 00:44:11,899
as a possible suspect.
859
00:44:14,935 --> 00:44:16,194
ROBIN: (OVER PHONE)
This is Robin.
860
00:44:16,236 --> 00:44:18,837
Hey, Robin.
My name's Donnie Norrell.
861
00:44:18,906 --> 00:44:22,874
We're talking about anything
you can remember
862
00:44:22,943 --> 00:44:24,843
in reference to Kerry Hendrix.
863
00:44:24,912 --> 00:44:26,244
- And, um...
- ROBIN: Yes.
864
00:44:26,313 --> 00:44:28,279
...back in 1990.
865
00:44:28,348 --> 00:44:29,985
ROBIN: (CLICKS TONGUE)
866
00:44:46,067 --> 00:44:47,469
- DONNIE: Mm-hmm.
- ROBIN:
867
00:45:06,754 --> 00:45:09,553
- DONNIE: Yeah.
- ROBIN:
868
00:45:09,622 --> 00:45:12,317
- DONNIE: Well,
thanks again, I appreciate it.
- ROBIN: All right, no problem.
869
00:45:12,359 --> 00:45:14,092
- All right, take care.
- ROBIN: Thanks.
870
00:45:14,161 --> 00:45:15,627
- Bye-bye.
- All right. Bye.
871
00:45:15,696 --> 00:45:17,896
♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
872
00:45:17,965 --> 00:45:19,697
DONNIE:
He would be somebody
873
00:45:19,766 --> 00:45:21,399
that you would definitely have
to look at
874
00:45:21,468 --> 00:45:23,033
as a possible suspect.
875
00:45:23,102 --> 00:45:27,005
Is he the father-like figure
that she was talking about?
876
00:45:27,074 --> 00:45:29,007
Could he have written the note?
877
00:45:29,076 --> 00:45:31,947
All of those things
are possible.
878
00:45:33,814 --> 00:45:36,247
(PHONE LINE RINGING)
879
00:45:36,316 --> 00:45:37,216
FILMMAKER: Hello?
880
00:45:37,284 --> 00:45:38,820
STEPHEN: (OVER PHONE)
Hey there.
881
00:46:23,431 --> 00:46:24,466
FILMMAKER:
882
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,069
STEPHEN:
883
00:46:34,708 --> 00:46:36,511
FILMMAKER:
884
00:47:06,974 --> 00:47:08,706
INTERVIEWER:
Could we interview you?
885
00:47:08,775 --> 00:47:10,602
KERRY HENDRIX: Yeah, it's been
like, a long time though.
886
00:47:10,644 --> 00:47:12,337
INTERVIEWER: That's okay.
This was the last place
887
00:47:12,379 --> 00:47:14,946
that we had for you,
and so we took a chance
888
00:47:15,015 --> 00:47:16,642
- and drove up here.
- (KERRY SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY)
889
00:47:16,684 --> 00:47:18,449
(LAUGHS)
890
00:47:18,518 --> 00:47:24,556
INTERVIEWER: Hmm. So, tell me
how you know Jennifer Pandos?
891
00:47:24,625 --> 00:47:26,991
- ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
- (COUGHS) It seems to me,
892
00:47:27,060 --> 00:47:29,160
I was newly divorced,
and I had won custody
893
00:47:29,229 --> 00:47:31,229
of my then one-year-old son.
894
00:47:31,298 --> 00:47:33,698
I'm thinking that I saw
an advertisement somewhere,
895
00:47:33,767 --> 00:47:34,866
like a teenager
896
00:47:34,935 --> 00:47:37,368
looking to babysit,
make money on the side.
897
00:47:37,437 --> 00:47:40,404
INTERVIEWER: And did you ever
suspect that the cops thought
898
00:47:40,473 --> 00:47:44,176
that you may be somebody
who was harboring her?
899
00:47:44,245 --> 00:47:47,045
Yeah, yeah. I believed that
about her father and the police
900
00:47:47,114 --> 00:47:51,316
the whole time. I mean,
I was their prime interest.
901
00:47:51,385 --> 00:47:52,550
Um...
902
00:47:52,619 --> 00:47:55,053
And, you know... And I could
understand if she was...
903
00:47:55,122 --> 00:47:57,421
If I was one of the few people
in her life
904
00:47:57,490 --> 00:48:02,060
that was outside the family,
I'd be... I'd be looking
that way too.
905
00:48:02,129 --> 00:48:03,822
INTERVIEWER:
Well we've been
following every...
906
00:48:03,864 --> 00:48:05,764
- Yeah. (COUGHS)
- ...potential lead
907
00:48:05,833 --> 00:48:07,098
- or anybody that had...
- Hmm.
908
00:48:07,167 --> 00:48:08,726
...any interactions
with her at all, we've been...
909
00:48:08,768 --> 00:48:11,936
You know, in Williamsburg...
Williamsburg's a small town
910
00:48:12,005 --> 00:48:13,245
and I had a troubled childhood,
911
00:48:13,307 --> 00:48:14,772
like I said, I was
in trouble a lot.
912
00:48:14,841 --> 00:48:18,905
And so they always had me
and my little circle of friends
913
00:48:18,974 --> 00:48:20,771
as number one suspects
in anything that happened
914
00:48:20,813 --> 00:48:24,082
in that town. These girls
were getting raped in college
915
00:48:24,151 --> 00:48:27,219
and we were suspects. And we,
you know, won the case.
916
00:48:27,288 --> 00:48:29,755
And so, you know,
they build this image
917
00:48:29,824 --> 00:48:31,526
of you based on their...
918
00:48:32,792 --> 00:48:35,760
their suspicions
and it sticks with you.
919
00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:36,988
INTERVIEWER:
Yeah, we did see...
920
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:38,256
- Yeah. (COUGHS)
- ...on your record
921
00:48:38,298 --> 00:48:43,334
that you had been convicted
of attempted abduction
922
00:48:43,403 --> 00:48:45,436
-and they...
What was that about?
-Abduction, yeah.
923
00:48:45,505 --> 00:48:47,640
And see they thought
that was a rape attempt.
924
00:48:47,709 --> 00:48:48,700
It was attempted robbery.
925
00:48:48,742 --> 00:48:51,309
(STAMMERS) I was addicted
to cocaine at the time
926
00:48:51,378 --> 00:48:54,847
and I tried to snatch a purse
which wound up being a backpack.
927
00:48:54,916 --> 00:48:56,982
And, you know,
because she thought
928
00:48:57,051 --> 00:48:59,083
that I was trying
to push her in the car,
929
00:48:59,152 --> 00:49:01,219
they thought that I was trying
to abduct her.
930
00:49:01,288 --> 00:49:03,154
There was no evidence
of no abduction.
931
00:49:03,223 --> 00:49:05,023
INTERVIEWER:
Cori, who's the girl
932
00:49:05,092 --> 00:49:07,458
that came over
to your house with Jennifer,
933
00:49:07,527 --> 00:49:09,528
she said that you actually
gave them alcohol.
934
00:49:09,597 --> 00:49:11,162
No. No.
935
00:49:11,231 --> 00:49:15,099
No. (CHUCKLES) I would
never do it. Never do it.
936
00:49:15,168 --> 00:49:16,796
INTERVIEWER: Would you
have considered yourself
937
00:49:16,838 --> 00:49:18,871
a father figure
for Jennifer at all?
938
00:49:18,940 --> 00:49:20,639
I probably was
at the time because,
939
00:49:20,708 --> 00:49:22,073
you know, I was a father.
940
00:49:22,142 --> 00:49:23,608
And I mean,
that's why she was there.
941
00:49:23,677 --> 00:49:24,776
To babysit my son.
942
00:49:24,845 --> 00:49:28,680
And she was telling me
some stuff about her family life
943
00:49:28,749 --> 00:49:30,581
where she was having problems.
944
00:49:30,650 --> 00:49:32,344
She didn't really say
what the problems were,
945
00:49:32,386 --> 00:49:34,012
she just said she
didn't feel comfortable there
946
00:49:34,054 --> 00:49:36,088
and she was looking...
Didn't know what to do.
947
00:49:36,157 --> 00:49:38,156
And she was thinking
about running away.
948
00:49:38,225 --> 00:49:39,892
And I cautioned her
against that.
949
00:49:39,961 --> 00:49:41,988
And then she just...
950
00:49:42,057 --> 00:49:44,996
Never came around anymore.
And her father called
951
00:49:45,065 --> 00:49:46,558
and thought that she
was staying over there.
952
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,967
So that's when I kinda learned
that she went missing.
953
00:49:49,036 --> 00:49:51,236
And I kinda figured
that she ran away,
954
00:49:51,305 --> 00:49:53,408
that's what
she had been talking about.
955
00:50:00,515 --> 00:50:02,250
INTERVIEWER:
956
00:50:03,183 --> 00:50:04,416
KERRY:
Well, he called first.
957
00:50:04,485 --> 00:50:06,445
And I said, "You know,
if you wanna come by and look,
958
00:50:06,487 --> 00:50:08,446
look for yourself, that's fine,
but she's not here."
959
00:50:08,488 --> 00:50:11,322
And he did. He seemed
like a nice-looking guy,
960
00:50:11,391 --> 00:50:13,071
and I think he was just there
very briefly.
961
00:50:13,126 --> 00:50:17,162
But he was very cold. And, um...
962
00:50:17,231 --> 00:50:19,831
like "push away"
kind of personality,
963
00:50:19,900 --> 00:50:21,066
at least with me.
964
00:50:21,135 --> 00:50:23,201
And I... I understand
why he felt like
965
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:27,472
I was harboring a girl there
or something. But, uh, um...
966
00:50:27,541 --> 00:50:30,169
seemed like the police had...
They came by or at least called,
967
00:50:30,238 --> 00:50:32,204
I can't remember. I don't think
they came by, they called.
968
00:50:32,246 --> 00:50:34,746
And I told them
the same thing. And...
969
00:50:34,815 --> 00:50:36,942
that you're more than welcome
to come by and look anytime.
970
00:50:36,984 --> 00:50:39,187
(CHUCKLES)
She's not here, you know?
971
00:50:39,887 --> 00:50:42,286
What you doing? (CHUCKLES)
972
00:50:42,355 --> 00:50:48,463
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
973
00:50:58,472 --> 00:51:00,072
JAKE: Hey, Andrew.
This is Jake.
974
00:51:00,141 --> 00:51:01,272
I'm just making sure
975
00:51:01,341 --> 00:51:03,075
that you got that stuff
that I sent you.
976
00:51:03,144 --> 00:51:05,309
Reference, "Pandos."
977
00:51:05,378 --> 00:51:09,717
Right. I mean, that's my belief
and that he had more to do
978
00:51:10,350 --> 00:51:12,712
than what he's telling us.
979
00:51:12,781 --> 00:51:14,152
Yeah, I mean, that's my thing.
980
00:51:14,221 --> 00:51:17,055
He might be having us
on to a different location.
981
00:51:17,124 --> 00:51:19,594
Okay. So we're going down
the right road.
982
00:51:20,094 --> 00:51:22,427
All right, bye.
983
00:51:22,496 --> 00:51:26,198
I mean, right now, I'm waiting
on lab results to come back.
984
00:51:26,267 --> 00:51:27,602
I will say that.
985
00:51:30,437 --> 00:51:34,873
'Cause I don't want anyone
to know who might be
986
00:51:34,942 --> 00:51:36,541
or might not be on the radar.
987
00:51:36,610 --> 00:51:39,243
If they get tipped off
that we're coming,
988
00:51:39,312 --> 00:51:42,347
it can prepare them
for what they wanna tell us.
989
00:51:42,416 --> 00:51:46,918
So I would rather...
me know and that's it.
990
00:51:46,987 --> 00:51:49,487
And me make that surprise visit.
991
00:51:49,556 --> 00:51:51,222
INTERVIEWER:
Are you hopeful still?
992
00:51:51,291 --> 00:51:52,660
I'm very hopeful.
993
00:52:41,141 --> 00:52:42,610
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
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