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- [Matt] Being a dad is one
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of the great privileges of my life.
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(confetti thuds) Give
my son a BB gun,
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and that's just about all the
emotional support he needs.
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My daughter on the other hand,
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I've heard people say that
there are no differences
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between male and female,
those people are idiots.
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I'm a husband.
I'm a father of four.
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I host a talk show. I give
speeches. I write books.
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I like to make sense of things,
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but making sense of females
is a whole other matter.
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Even astrophysicist, Stephen Hawking,
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who could come up with
a theory on black holes
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was completely dumbfounded by women.
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- [Stephen] Women, they
are a complete mystery.
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- [Matt] And now our culture is telling us
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that the difference is between
girls and boys don't matter.
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That if you identify as something,
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then you are that thing. (group chattering)
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How do we help our kids make sense of this
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when they're bombarded with conflicting messages
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about gender and identity?
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Forget trying to figure out women,
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the real question is what is a woman?
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from that of a young girl to that of woman.
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- [Narrator] Soon Molly will be a young woman
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having dates, going to dances in lovely romantic dresses.
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- [Instructor] The boys' shoulders are broad
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and his body muscular. While the girl's body is more curved.
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- I'd like to know more about different kinds of hormones.
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- [Instructor] Presence of these hormones in the blood
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brings about many changes in the bodies
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of both boys and girls. (group laughing)
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- Being a woman is one the things I like best about myself.
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I think you'll like it too.
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- [Matt] I like to come out here to think.
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Nature seems to always tell the truth,
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even when we don't wanna hear it.
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Truth is I'm not very good at fishing.
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(rod whooshing) But what is truth? (rod whooshes)
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Is there a truth?
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Is this what progress looks like?
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Can my boys really become girls?
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Do I have four daughters?
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Do I now have to pay for four weddings?
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Is there a son trapped in my daughter's body?
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If so, how do I get him out?
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Are any of my kids who they claim to be?
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Who are these people? Who am I?
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I better see a therapist. (water trickling)
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- In the state of Tennessee,
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I'm a licensed marital and family therapist,
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which basically means I've been trained up
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to think about like systems, family systems,
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how we were raised up, how that shapes who we are today.
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- So on your website, quote if you'll,
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if you'll bear with me. - Sure.
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- Quoting, you say, "I use a combination of approaches
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in my therapeutic work, including anti-oppression feminist
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and narrative frameworks." "I rely deeply on systems theory
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and understanding that individuals
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are products of and in dialogue with our surroundings,
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including our families, broader culture, workplaces,
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nature, and political climates." What does that mean?
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- Yeah, so thinking about the modalities that I use,
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I'm definitely informed by like feminist family therapy
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and the ideas that we live in gendered worlds
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where there are certain imperatives
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that are placed on us about who we are and what we do
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based on how we've been gendered.
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From the minute I was assigned female, I was told,
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okay, these are the kind of clothing
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that you're gonna wear. These are the kind of the,
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the type of play that you're gonna engage in as a child.
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because of social expectations.
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- What do you, what do you mean by assigned female?
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Who, who assigns female?
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- Yeah, so most times people when they're born
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they're assigned a gender. - By the?
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- The doctor. - Doctors. - [Gert] Yeah.
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- Like what do they, what do they base that assignment on?
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- So basically it's, it's based on genitalia.
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So people looking at genitalia and deciding,
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okay, this is a, a girl or a boy.
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And we know now that like that sex and gender
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are so much more than just this binary.
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Some women have penises, right? Some men have vaginas.
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That, that, that's not how, how gender works.
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- How do we know that, how do we know that that's not true?
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Where, where did we, where did we learn that from?
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- Yeah, well, we, I, I learned that
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from hearing from transgender people,
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who've said like, oh, I'm a trans woman,
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and just because I happen to have a penis, right,
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that doesn't mean that this is like who I am as a person or,
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or that genitalia doesn't equal gender.
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Who they are, their gender, their gender expression.
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That, yeah, a trans woman is a woman.
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- With the fluidity of these things,
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how do I know if, if I'm a woman, you know? I, I.
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- That's a great question.
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- I like scented candles and- - Yeah.
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- I've watched "Sex and the City". - Yeah. - Um. - Yeah.
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- So how do I know? - Yeah, Matt, that question right there,
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like that question is like,
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when it's asked with a lot of curiosity, right?
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That's the beginning of a lot of people's
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like gender identity development journeys.
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- If my mom who gave birth to me is a woman. - Mm-hmm.
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- And my wife is a woman, though I haven't asked her.
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Maybe I should.
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But if they're all women
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and also the boy who sits down with you and says,
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I, I think I'm a girl actually is one,
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then, then what is a woman? - Mm.
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Yeah. Great question.
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I'm not a woman, so I, I can't really answer that.
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- I thought therapy would make me less confused.
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Am I the only one feeling this way?
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I need to hit the road and find out.
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(traffic humming) We're talking about gender in society.
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Let me start with a real basic question. What is a woman?
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- A woman. (group laughs)
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- I don't wanna assume, but you guys are all.
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- Yeah. - Women. - We're all women. - Yes.
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- Yes. - We're women.
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- So how would you define it, like in the simplest terms?
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- That is hard. - Yeah, it is, it is a stumper.
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- A woman is someone that likes to be pretty
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and think of themself as a delicate creature.
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- I'm pretty and delicate. - Okay.
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- I could be a woman too. - Yes, you could.
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- Defining womanhood is just a project of someone
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who identifies as a woman.
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- Yeah, but what, like, what do they identify?
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You see what I'm saying? What do they identify as?
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They identify as a woman, but what is that?
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- I honestly, don't know. (brooding music)
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- [Matt] It's a simple question,
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so why is it so hard to answer?
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This is gonna take some serious investigation.
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For all of human existence women
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were understood to be a certain thing,
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(screen whooshes) so what changed?
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No one can seem to answer the question now.
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Over 2000 surgeries and counting, Dr. Marci Bowers
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is the nation's preeminent sex change surgeon.
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Surely someone who does sex change surgeries
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can answer what a woman is.
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Dr. Marci Bowers, first of all, thanks for talking to us.
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- My pleasure.
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- So you're a world renowned gynecologist and surgeon.
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You're also a transgender woman.
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Can you tell me a little bit about-
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- No, I mean, I identify as a woman, but.
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- You're a woman, right?
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- I'm a woman with, I mean, that's my life day-to-day,
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but I have a transgender history. - Hmm.
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So one, one thing on your website,
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it says gender affirm, GAV, gender affirming vaginal plasty.
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- Mm-hmm. - What is that exactly?
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- Vaginal plasty is creation of, of female,
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a, a female vagina and vulva.
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We're altering the physical characteristics
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of the individual to, to fit better with a gender identity
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that, that is female.
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- This is all constructed from the penis?
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- Yes, that's right.
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The surgeries are quite refined in the sense
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that they really not only do they look like female anatomy,
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but they also function that way for the most part.
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I mean, certainly it's a bit of a Faustian bargain,
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you know, it's not perfect.
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- Does anyone ever regret their surgeries
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or we know they do,
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but how often do people regret their surgeries?
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- Well, actually we don't know that they do.
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and there are people who truly feel that in their journey,
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they may have made a mistake.
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really uncommon phenomenon.
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- I don't know if you've ever heard of people
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in the transabled community,
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these are people who are physically able-bodied,
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but feel like they should be disabled or identify as such.
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For example, a man who has two arms,
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but feels like you should have one.
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If a, if a man in this kind of marginalized community
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was, went to the doctor and said,
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I want to have my arm cut off,
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do you think that-
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- That doesn't have anything to do with gender identity.
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- Well, it's someone's, someone's self identity.
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How someone identifies. - That's some,
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that's someone who has a, a,
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and I'll accept it as a mental diagnosis,
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a psychiatric condition. I don't even pretend to know
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what apotemnophilia is all about.
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But somehow it's the idea that you, and, you know,
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you're fascinated or charmed by having a limb
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or part of a limb missing. - Hmm.
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- Okay, I would say that's, uh,
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pardon my non-medical language, kooky.
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- You don't see any, you think this is totally irrelevant?
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- Yep.
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- So the biggest broadest question is what is a woman?
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- A woman is a, you know,
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it's a combination of your physical attributes,
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and then what you're showing to the world,
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and the gender clues that you give,
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and hopefully those match your gender identity.
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- The critics on the other side of this,
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of, of this, of this issue.
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- There aren't many, but go ahead.
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- There aren't many who would disagree
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with what you're saying about.
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- Well, you know, the dinosaurs of the world
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are certainly out there. - Hmm. - Yeah. (upbeat music)
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- How long have you been running the shop here?
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- 25 Years. - Wow.
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Now you had an incident here a little while ago
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that went really viral online.
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Lots of reaction in the public.
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- [Reporter] Aberdeen Councilwoman Tiesa Meskis
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confronted owner Don Sucher about a sign
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he posted in his store.
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- One day I just put the sign up over here,
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and he came around the corner,
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and I thought, okay, I recognize him.
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I says, "Oh, I recognize you."
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"You're our new city councilman."
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He says, "No, I'm your new city councilwoman."
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So it was, it was kind of on from there.
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- [Tiesa] You know what? It's bullshit.
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- No, what your spouting is bullshit.
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- [Tiesa] No it's not. Transwomen are women, sir.
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That sign is bullshit. - I've been doing this 25 years,
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I've never had a problem with anybody,
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whether they're gay, transsexual, anything.
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- Now how, you're saying councilman, he,
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this individual was saying, I'm a woman.
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- Right. - And you said, "You're not a woman." How- - Okay.
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- How do you know that that person's not a woman?
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- How do I know? - Yeah. - Well, uh, common sense.
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- [Tiesa] Trans women are women!
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- Doesn't, doesn't the science say
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that if someone identifies as a woman then they are.
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- No, no. Now that's completely bogus.
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I don't care, if you think you're a sheep dog
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and you come into my store, it don't matter to me.
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Just don't come in and try to shove
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that shit down my throat. - If it makes someone feel better,
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what about their, their feelings?
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I mean- - I don't give shit about their feelings, I'm old.
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- What about the Star Wars universe?
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Jar Jar Binks, pansexual do you think? Transgender?
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- Uh, why would I, why would I even care?
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- It's if it's his truth.
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- Well, it ain't true. - You're not a scientist.
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You're not a gender studies major or are you?
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- No. - No, okay. How do you know that you're a man?
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- How do I know that I'm a man?
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I guess, because I got a dick. - Huh? (upbeat music)
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Well, I guess Don isn't overthinking it.
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He admits he's not a gender studies major
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or at the very least a doctor.
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Maybe I should go talk to one.
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- My name is Michelle Forcier,
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um, and I have a medical degree
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from University of Connecticut Residency,
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University of Utah Pediatrics. And I've worked for a number
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of different Planned Parenthoods for 20 years.
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I do advanced contraception and abortion
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as well as gender hormones,
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and sort of looking at the whole sort
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of schema of gender, sex, and, and reproductive justice.
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- So you've done a lot of work in this field.
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Could you just start by telling us- - Sure.
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- At what age can a child first begin to transition
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into another gender or identify themselves
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as a gender different from how they were born?
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- Yeah. Well, I mean, there's, there's research
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and data that show that babies and infants
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understand differences in gender.
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Some children figure out their gender really early,
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and the reason why we are say,
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oh, that's, it's interesting or important
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is 'cause they're figuring out their gender identity
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is not necessarily congruent
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with their sexes signed at birth.
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- When the, when the doctor sees the penis and says,
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this is a male, has the sex of male,
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that's an arbitrary distinction.
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- Telling that family based on that little penis
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that your child is absolutely
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a hundred percent male identified
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no matter what else occurs in their life,
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that's not correct. - So what is gender affirmation care?
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You're a big proponent of,
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if we walk through a child is sitting down with you
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is questioning- - Yeah. - Their gender.
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What's the gender affirmation process?
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- Affirmation means that as a pediatrician,
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as someone who says my job
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is to provide the best medical care for you
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is I need to listen really carefully.
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And how I put it in words for kids
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so that they can understand it is tell me your story.
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Where have you been in terms of your gender
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and your gender identity? Where are you right now?
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And more excitingly,
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where would you like to be in the future?
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- Have you ever met a four-year-old
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who believes in Santa Claus? - Mm-hmm.
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- So this is someone who believes
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that a fat man is traveling through the sky
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on a flying reindeer at lightning speed
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coming down his chimney with presents. - Yeah.
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- Would you say that this is someone
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who maybe has a tenuous grasp on reality?
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- They have an appropriate four-year-old handle
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on the reality- - Sure, agreed.
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- That's very real for them. - Agreed, agreed.
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But Santa Claus is real for them but-
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- Yeah. - Santa Claus is not actually real.
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- Yeah, well and, but Santa Claus
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does deliver their Christmas presents.
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- Well, yeah, but he is not real though.
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- To that child they are.
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- When I see a child who, you know,
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believes in Santa Claus and then let's say,
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this is a boy and he says, I'm a girl. - Mm-hmm.
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- This is someone who can't distinguish
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between fantasy and reality,
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so how could you take that as a reality?
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- I would say that as a pediatrician and as a parent,
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I would say how wonderful
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my four-year-old and their imagination is.
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- Aren't kids famous for their active imaginations?
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Should we really let our children define reality?
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then obviously you can't tell me I don't feel that way.
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- Yeah. - But just because I feel that way
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does that mean that it's true?
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- I mean, if it's your reality okay.
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- Yeah, it's yours reality.
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- It's truly like none of my business who you are.
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- So we all have our own- - Identity. - Realities.
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What if I said, I want you to say
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that it's true that I'm a woman, would you say that?
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- That you're a woman? - I would also say that.
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- If you want. - Yeah.
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- I honestly don't care like whatever makes you happy.
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- [Woman] What's true to you can be, can be false to me.
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So like it, it's the, it's like-
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- What if I said that it's true,
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my truth is that you don't exist,
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does that mean you, you no longer exist?
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- [Woman] I mean, if that's your truth sure.
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I don't, because it's like- - But you do.
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- [Woman] Well, I mean, if you're saying
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that I do then I do.
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- Well, but even if I said that you don't you still do
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'cause we're, we're having this conversation.
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- [Woman] I mean, are we? - I think so, I mean, I thought.
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- [Matt] Well, I should have known
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it would be hard to define reality in Hollywood.
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I should probably look to the place
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where truth is the foremost pursuit,
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the American university. (slow tempo gentle music)
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- What we do in, in gender studies
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is not just reduced gender
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to what psychologists might call individual differences,
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but rather thinking about gender.
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And that's not women and man,
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but gender as a, as a social form,
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something that kind of infuses itself
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into virtually all aspects of social life.
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- Let's talk about that then.
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Uh, I guess we should start with
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we've got gender and sex, right? - [Patrick] Yeah.
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- What, what's the difference between the two?
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Is there a difference?
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- I saw that in your questions and I thought, my goodness,
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this is what we spend an entire semester
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kind of thinking through.
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But what we tend to think about in the social sciences today
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is that sex refers to a set of biological characteristics,
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and gender is a social construct or category.
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What I think is often misleading about that characteristic,
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then is allowed to be sort of messy and complicated.
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But in that framing, when you split them up
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into these holy discrete constructs studies scholars, and,
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and really more specifically people
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who study gender and sex,
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we're not talking about sexuality right now.
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I teach in the kind of, academic universe that I travel in
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is that we see how deeply gendered ideas,
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cultural ideas about masculinity and femininity,
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maleness and femaleness,
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both in humans and in lots of other animals.
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- So are gender and sex two different things or?
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- Well, I think that they, they both are, and they aren't.
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I'd be, I'm comfortable saying that gender and sex
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are, are two different constructs,
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but they're deeply intertwined with each other.
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- We're talking about gender and, and sex,
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and there's a lot of controversies there.
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If we're talking about a trans woman,
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has all of the male physical characteristics,
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so would that not be a male then?
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Couldn't, couldn't we plainly say this person is a male?
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- Well, well I guess it's, it's like,
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why are you asking the question?
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I think I, I, I wanna understand
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sort of why that's so important. So if someone tells you-
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- Just to sort of understand reality, you know.
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- Well, I mean, I think when someone tells you who they are,
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you should believe them.
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So if a person says that they're a woman or they're a man,
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then that's them telling you their gender is.
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I'm, I'm not so sure why,
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what social in interactions would have to do with,
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with maleness or femaleness that would be-
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- Well, I, I'm not even talking about social context.
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I'm just, I'm just trying to start
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by getting to the truth, you know?
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- Yeah, I mean, I'm really uncomfortable
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with that language of like getting to the truth.
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Again in social life- - Why, why is that,
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why is that uncomfortable?
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- Because that, it sounds actually
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deeply transphobic to me, and if-
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- And truth- - And if you keep probing,
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we're gonna stop the interview. I- - If I probe
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about what the truth is? - You keep invoking the word truth,
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which is condescending and rude.
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I'm saying to you- - How is,
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how is the word truth condescending and rude?
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- Why don't you tell me what your truth is?
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And you're walking on 30 seconds more of thin ice
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before I get up.
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- What my truth is?
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Well, I don't think I really have a truth.
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I think that there's just the truth, like the reality.
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And so we should begin by trying to figure out
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what the reality is.
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- Uh-huh.
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And why are you concerned with when someone else tells you
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that they're a man or even if they use the word male,
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why are you concerned with not believing them?
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- Well, you keep bringing it back to, you know,
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how do you respond in a social situation, but-
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- That's what I do, I'm a social scientist.
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- Well, right, but we're at a university.
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This is a place of understanding truth, isn't it or?
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- Absolutely we are, we pursue the true truth.
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And I'm a social scientist and that's what I do.
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- Well, you just said the truth is transphobic.
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- That, that you would say that you're,
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if you're saying the truth is
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that I get to say you are not a man, show me your genitalia,
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that's transphobic.
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- No, I don't wanna see anybody's genitalia.
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I, I, I just mean someone can make a statement
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about themselves that could be untrue.
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Like, for example, if I,
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if I were to say that I'm a black man,
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could you, would you accept that or would you be skeptical?
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- Are you Black? Are you African American? Are you biracial?
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- I don't think so. - Well you don't look that,
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and I don't think that's a,
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it doesn't sound like that's a genuine statement
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of who you are.
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- Okay, so that's my point.
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I, I could make a statement about who I am that's incorrect.
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- Of course, I think it's well established
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that human beings can lie yes. - Or not even lie.
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I mean, I could just be mistaken.
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- Yeah. I'm not sure where you're going.
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- I guess this all comes back,
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just it all comes down to really one question,
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especially women, gender, and sexuality studies.
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So what, so what, what is a woman?
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- Why do you ask that question?
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- I just really like to know.
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- What do you think the answer to that question is?
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- Well, I'm, I'm asking,
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that's why I came to a college professor
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who, who's, this is your, this is what you do.
508
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- What other kinds of answers have you gotten?
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00:24:20,150 --> 00:24:21,050
- A lot of like this,
510
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where you're, where you're not answering it,
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I've gotten a lot of that so.
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- I think it's interesting that you,
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that you say that some of the people
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you've, you've interviewed have been reluctant to answer it.
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And I think that has a lot to do with the way,
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the questions that preceded it and the,
517
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the way that you've conducted yourself in the interview.
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- How have I conducted myself?
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- How do you think you've conducted yourself?
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- You, (laughs)
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you just really don't wanna answer the questions do you?
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- I, I came today very willing
523
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and, and enthusiastic about answering questions
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about women's and gender sexuality studies,
525
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which is what I do. - You wanted,
526
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you wanted to answer questions about women's studies,
527
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and so shouldn't the, the first answer
528
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you should be able to provide is what exactly as a woman?
529
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,530
- Well, it's, for me it's,
530
00:25:00,530 --> 00:25:01,817
it's actually a really simple answer,
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and that's a person who identifies as a woman.
532
00:25:04,010 --> 00:25:06,680
- But what are they identifying as? - As a woman.
533
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- [Matt] So what is that? - As a woman.
534
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- Do you know what a circular definition is?
535
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- I do.
536
00:25:16,850 --> 00:25:19,190
- It's sort of like what you're doing right now,
537
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where a woman is, is a woman.
538
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- Well, 'cause you are seeking
539
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what we would call in my field of work,
540
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an essentialist definition of gender.
541
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:29,570
I think it sounds like you would like me
542
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to give you a set of biological or cultural characteristics
543
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that are associated with one gender or the other.
544
00:25:37,010 --> 00:25:38,600
- I'm not seeking any type of definition,
545
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I'm just seeking a definition.
546
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- Yeah, and I gave you one. (gentle playful music)
547
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- Well now I can say I've been to college.
548
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Glad I didn't pay for it.
549
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:50,510
Is there anyone willing to give me a straight answer?
550
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Ideally somebody with a bunch
551
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of medical degrees on the wall.
552
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Dr. Grossman, thanks for talking to us.
553
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You're a psychiatrist medical doctor,
554
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and you've done a lot of work in child psychiatry.
555
00:26:02,510 --> 00:26:07,310
What is transgenderism from a psychiatric standpoint?
556
00:26:07,310 --> 00:26:08,780
- The best way to approach it
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is by speaking about gender dysphoria,
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which is an intense loathing and discomfort
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with one's biological sex. They exist anywhere between
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one in 30,000 people and one in 110,000.
561
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It's important to distinguish those people
562
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from what's happening much more recently,
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which is kids that never had any discomfort or dysphoria
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as it's now called with their biological sex.
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And then quite suddenly as preteens or as, as adolescents,
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they come out and they announce that they are gender fluid
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or they, they start to question their sex.
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So first let's define the terms sex and gender.
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- Yes, please. - Sex is biology. Sex is unchanging.
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It's based on chromosomes 99.999% of the cells in the body
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are marked either male or female.
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Gender on the other hand is a perception.
573
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It's a feeling, it's a way of identifying,
574
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it's a, it's an experience. Okay, that's, that's subjective.
575
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- It sounds like what you're saying
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is that if a man is male,
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but thinks of himself as a woman, he's not actually a woman.
578
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- That's correct.
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- Male gametes, that's what makes me male.
580
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,320
- No, your, your sperm don't make you male.
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- Then what does. - It's a constellation.
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- In reality, in truth, okay.
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- Whose truth are we talking about?
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- The same truth that says we're sitting in this room
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right now you and I. - No, you're not listening.
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- If I, if I see a chicken lying eggs
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and I say that's a female chicken laying eggs,
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did I assign female
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or am I just observing a physical reality
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that's happening in the world?
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- Does a chicken have gender identity?
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Does a chicken cry? - Well, a- - Does a chicken
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commit suicide? Let's frame it- - What does that
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have to do with? - Because you're talking, you're trying to-
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- Chicken has sex like any, like any biological organism.
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- A chicken has an assigned gender,
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but a chicken doesn't have a gender identity.
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- So we assign female to chickens when they lay eggs?
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That's a, that's- - We assume they're female
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if they lay eggs.
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- Now I was told that really everyone agrees
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with the current approach to gender and transitioning kids
603
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and all of that.
604
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And if you don't agree that you're a dinosaur and a bigot.
605
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So are you a bigoted dinosaur?
606
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- I'm not bigoted, and I'm not a dinosaur.
607
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I am rooted in reality and in science.
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- Who's reality? - There's one reality.
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- [Announcer] Coming up girls 100 meter final.
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- The first race that I competed
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against a transgender athlete was during my freshman year.
612
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(gun bangs) (group chattering) And once the gun went off,
613
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the two transgender athletes took off flying
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and left all of us girls in the dust.
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Throughout all four years of high school
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I was forced to compete against biological males.
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I only competed against them in the sprinting events,
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but I raced against these athletes
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over a dozen times throughout the years,
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and every single time I lost.
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- Did, did they inch you out of metals
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that you would've won otherwise
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or trophies you would've had?
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- They beat me out by 20 meters out of metals
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and qualifying spots.
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I missed out on qualifying for New England.
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I had, and I had to go in the long jump
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and the four by 200 meter relay,
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so I was forced on the sidelines in my own event,
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and if they were not there, I would've been able to qualify.
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So I missed out on so much throughout my high school career.
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- Did they win all the events or almost all the events?
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- Between the two of them
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they won every single event they competed in.
635
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,060
- How does that, how does that feel?
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- It is so frustrating and heartbreaking
637
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because we elite female athletes train so hard
638
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to shave just fractions of a second off of our time
639
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and going into races
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knowing that we will never be able to win.
641
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- It feels like all that work gone to waste? - It does.
642
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After so many losses it just gets to the point
643
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of why am I even doing this?
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Why am I keep, training so hard and sacrificing so much
645
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just to place third and beyond. (traffic humming)
646
00:30:37,819 --> 00:30:38,930
(birds chirping)
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- Case in Connecticut, there were two male track runners,
648
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trans- - They were trans girls. - Right.
649
00:30:45,103 --> 00:30:47,000
And who, who decided that they
650
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were gonna race against the girls.
651
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And you look at the, those individuals,
652
00:30:51,620 --> 00:30:54,710
you look at their times against the men, against the boys,
653
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so they were kind of middle of the pack.
654
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And then they're racing the girls
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and they're, you know, first and second place.
656
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:05,060
Is that indicative of some kind of unfair advantage
657
00:31:05,060 --> 00:31:08,600
that those individuals might have against the girls?
658
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,420
- No, it's not indicative of an unfair advantage.
659
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And I think part of the proof of this
660
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is that more transgender girls
661
00:31:15,980 --> 00:31:19,190
are coming out in high school and still playing sports,
662
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:20,660
and they're not winning.
663
00:31:20,660 --> 00:31:23,420
You know, the Connecticut case is the exception.
664
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It got a lot of attention
665
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because those two trans girls performed well,
666
00:31:28,340 --> 00:31:29,360
but there are many, many-
667
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,040
- Yeah. - More trans girls competing
668
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,159
in sports and they don't excel because-
669
00:31:33,159 --> 00:31:33,992
- Yeah, we could- - 'Cause at the end
670
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of the day, whether or not you win a game
671
00:31:36,620 --> 00:31:39,170
is not just, is about how hard you work in your practice,
672
00:31:39,170 --> 00:31:40,850
and most of us aren't gonna win,
673
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and that goes for transgender athletes too.
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(upbeat country music) ♪ Let's go girls. ♪
675
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(group cheering)
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The norm is that transgender youth
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don't win that much in sports games.
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- [Announcer] Alana McLaughlin was very appreciative
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for Provost to take this fight.
680
00:32:03,068 --> 00:32:04,610
I don't know how appreciative it's now,
681
00:32:04,610 --> 00:32:06,470
but she got a couple punches in.
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- [Rodrigo] It is the very much the exception
683
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when a transgender young person does win.
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- And the tap! - The tap.
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00:32:12,980 --> 00:32:15,290
- [Rodrigo] And it's because there's not really
686
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an advantage to being trans.
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Only a few people are going to lead the pack.
688
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,440
- There are some slight differences,
689
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,320
but does it translate to a competitive advantage?
690
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,544
I think you'd be very hard pressed to prove that.
691
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(group chattering)
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00:32:39,170 --> 00:32:41,240
- If there was a big advantage
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to being transgender in sports,
694
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then we would see transgender women totally dominating.
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- [Announcer] And over the last half of the pool,
696
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nobody will touch Lia Thomas.
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♪ Man I feel like a woman ♪
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- [Reporter] Transgender swimmer, Lia Thomas
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breaking barriers and records,
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but in a new article Sports Illustrated
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calls the college senior
702
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:06,890
the most controversial athlete in America.
703
00:33:06,890 --> 00:33:09,680
- Lia obviously helps us do better, right?
704
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,340
Lia swimming really fast. Lia's performance helps
705
00:33:13,340 --> 00:33:15,110
the University of Pennsylvania swim team.
706
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:17,210
The feeling of winning doesn't feel as good anymore
707
00:33:17,210 --> 00:33:18,620
'cause it feels tainted.
708
00:33:18,620 --> 00:33:21,080
There was a lot of things you couldn't talk about
709
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that were very concerning. Like a locker room situation
710
00:33:24,500 --> 00:33:26,570
if you even brought up concerns about it,
711
00:33:26,570 --> 00:33:28,100
you were transphobic.
712
00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:30,410
If you even bring up the fact that Lia's swimming
713
00:33:30,410 --> 00:33:33,230
might not be fair, you were immediately shut down
714
00:33:33,230 --> 00:33:36,110
being called a hateful person or transphobic.
715
00:33:36,110 --> 00:33:38,600
- But there's never any conversation?
716
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,810
The coaches don't sit everyone down and acknowledge
717
00:33:41,810 --> 00:33:43,100
what everyone's really upset about.
718
00:33:43,100 --> 00:33:45,590
- So Penn actually brought in people high up
719
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:47,180
in the athletic department to talk to us.
720
00:33:47,180 --> 00:33:49,037
They brought in someone from like the LGBTQ center.
721
00:33:49,037 --> 00:33:52,550
They brought in someone from the psychological services.
722
00:33:52,550 --> 00:33:55,140
- So you're upset about what's happening and so-
723
00:33:55,140 --> 00:33:57,793
- Yeah. - You need psychological help. - Yeah.
724
00:33:57,793 --> 00:33:58,917
And they told us in this meeting, they said,
725
00:33:58,917 --> 00:34:01,070
"Look, we understand there's an array of emotions,
726
00:34:01,070 --> 00:34:03,327
but Lia's swimming is a non-negotiable."
727
00:34:03,327 --> 00:34:06,500
"However we can help you make that okay
728
00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:07,540
that's what we're here for."
729
00:34:07,540 --> 00:34:09,980
- So you're anonymous for this interview.
730
00:34:09,980 --> 00:34:12,770
Why did you decide that you can't have your face out there
731
00:34:12,770 --> 00:34:13,610
saying these things?
732
00:34:13,610 --> 00:34:16,370
- They've made it pretty clear that if you speak up about it
733
00:34:16,370 --> 00:34:18,590
and you say anything negative that like your life
734
00:34:18,590 --> 00:34:19,610
will be over in some way.
735
00:34:19,610 --> 00:34:22,220
Like you'll be blasted all over the internet as a transphob
736
00:34:22,220 --> 00:34:24,860
if you come out and then you'll never be able to get a job.
737
00:34:24,860 --> 00:34:26,870
Like anyone who wants to hire you will look you up
738
00:34:26,870 --> 00:34:28,878
and see you're transphobic and your life will be over.
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(siren wailing) (traffic humming)
740
00:34:31,940 --> 00:34:35,810
- Let's say that I identified as a woman tomorrow
741
00:34:35,810 --> 00:34:39,290
and I wanted to go into the same locker room where you are.
742
00:34:39,290 --> 00:34:40,790
Should I be allowed to do that
743
00:34:41,930 --> 00:34:44,030
as long as I identify that way? - I don't know.
744
00:34:44,030 --> 00:34:46,640
I just feel that other women
745
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,750
would be uncomfortable by you walking in there.
746
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:54,000
(man speaking in foreign language)
747
00:34:57,331 --> 00:34:59,964
- No. (man speaking in foreign language)
748
00:34:59,964 --> 00:35:01,760
(woman speaking in foreign language)
749
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- Controversy at a health club in Koreatown
750
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:06,703
over the issue of gender. - That's right.
751
00:35:06,703 --> 00:35:10,070
Video of spa goers complaining was posted on social media.
752
00:35:10,070 --> 00:35:11,513
- [Woman] I just wanna be clear with you.
753
00:35:11,513 --> 00:35:14,570
It's okay, it's okay for a man
754
00:35:14,570 --> 00:35:16,760
to go into the women's section,
755
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,670
show his penis around the other women,
756
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:24,950
young little girls underage, your spa, Wi Spa condone that,
757
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:25,910
is that what you're saying?
758
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:28,065
- [Man] Like I just said. - [Woman] Like I asked.
759
00:35:28,065 --> 00:35:28,898
- [Man] Like I mentioned-
760
00:35:28,898 --> 00:35:30,260
- [Woman] So he, he could stay there?
761
00:35:30,260 --> 00:35:32,638
- [Man] You cannot just come- - [Woman] He could stay there?
762
00:35:32,638 --> 00:35:33,640
- [Man] Sexual orientation.
763
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,050
- [Woman] What sexual orientation? I see a dick.
764
00:35:36,050 --> 00:35:37,730
- [Reporter] Police identified the person involved
765
00:35:37,730 --> 00:35:40,820
as 52-year-old Darren Merager of Riverside county.
766
00:35:40,820 --> 00:35:44,330
Merager who has been a registered sex offender since 2006
767
00:35:44,330 --> 00:35:47,270
now faces five felony counts of indecent exposure.
768
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:49,794
- Hello, I'm Congressman Mark Takano.
769
00:35:49,794 --> 00:35:51,856
Trans month of visibility is a time
770
00:35:51,856 --> 00:35:55,670
to recognize the strength, diversity, and resiliency
771
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:57,200
of the transgender community.
772
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,763
Together we can make our country and our world
773
00:35:59,763 --> 00:36:02,060
a more accepting place by speaking out
774
00:36:02,060 --> 00:36:04,010
against transphobia at the source,
775
00:36:04,010 --> 00:36:05,720
and supporting the trans community
776
00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:08,603
by getting the Equality Act signed into law.
777
00:36:09,530 --> 00:36:11,210
- Congressman, thank you for, for being here.
778
00:36:11,210 --> 00:36:14,510
Thanks for joining us. You are the first member of Congress
779
00:36:14,510 --> 00:36:16,550
who's a member of the LGBT community
780
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:18,830
and also a person of Asian descent.
781
00:36:18,830 --> 00:36:22,010
You're also a big proponent of the Equality Act.
782
00:36:22,010 --> 00:36:23,720
- Yes. - What is the Equality Act?
783
00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:25,400
If you were to just summarize it very briefly.
784
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:26,630
I know it does a lot.
785
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:30,920
- The most simplest way to talk about the Equality Act
786
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,210
is that it simply amends the 1964 Civil Rights Act
787
00:36:35,210 --> 00:36:38,510
to include sexual orientation and gender identity.
788
00:36:38,510 --> 00:36:43,070
So public accommodations is one area.
789
00:36:43,070 --> 00:36:47,300
- What's a way that someone whose LGBT is,
790
00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:50,990
could be discriminated in public accommodations currently?
791
00:36:50,990 --> 00:36:54,470
- Currently, you know, public accommodations
792
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:59,470
is the whole area of, you know, hotels and motels, and.
793
00:36:59,738 --> 00:37:02,930
- Bathrooms, and sports teams is that?
794
00:37:02,930 --> 00:37:04,100
- I'd say bathrooms- - Yeah.
795
00:37:04,100 --> 00:37:06,650
- Sports teams, athletic events.
796
00:37:06,650 --> 00:37:09,860
- Let's get into more specific policy issues.
797
00:37:09,860 --> 00:37:11,720
There, there are some women who say, and I've,
798
00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:14,683
I've talked to a few who say this. They say, "Hey, you know,
799
00:37:14,683 --> 00:37:18,927
I'd like some privacy in the bathroom."
800
00:37:18,927 --> 00:37:20,870
"I'd prefer not to encounter,
801
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:22,697
you know, naked penises, frankly."
802
00:37:24,830 --> 00:37:29,640
They say even that the penis is a telltale sign
803
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:33,416
that someone is a male. I mean, there, there are people
804
00:37:33,416 --> 00:37:35,647
who kind of really bought into the,
805
00:37:35,647 --> 00:37:39,260
to the rumor that only men have penises.
806
00:37:39,260 --> 00:37:42,920
What, how do we account for that?
807
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,573
How do you respond to that?
808
00:37:47,900 --> 00:37:48,733
- Um.
809
00:37:51,140 --> 00:37:53,333
Well, um,
810
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:02,440
well, what I would say is that most transgender people
811
00:38:05,090 --> 00:38:09,030
that I know, um, and it's a very I think
812
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,730
distinct minority of people,
813
00:38:13,730 --> 00:38:16,910
it's a very, it's a, it is a, it is a very
814
00:38:16,910 --> 00:38:20,993
I think we're talking not about a lot of people.
815
00:38:22,190 --> 00:38:27,190
Um, I think a person who wants to use a woman's bathroom
816
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,560
who identifies as transgender
817
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,900
really does think themselves as a female.
818
00:38:32,900 --> 00:38:36,195
So how we go about trying to,
819
00:38:36,195 --> 00:38:41,195
um, you know, respect their basic right to live.
820
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:49,523
I think will be an important part of this law and um-
821
00:38:50,576 --> 00:38:51,520
- With a law- - Bathrooms.
822
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:52,353
Well, wait a minute, bath, bathrooms are,
823
00:38:54,065 --> 00:38:55,940
bathrooms are, you know,
824
00:38:55,940 --> 00:38:57,940
where you want to take this conversation
825
00:38:58,850 --> 00:39:03,390
instead of the basic right to just life
826
00:39:04,910 --> 00:39:07,160
is something that I'm kind of mystified
827
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,170
that you're kind of not focusing on first.
828
00:39:09,170 --> 00:39:12,593
We're going straight to the controversy over bathrooms.
829
00:39:13,700 --> 00:39:16,724
Um, so you know what I think this interview is over.
830
00:39:16,724 --> 00:39:18,156
- [Woman] Yeah, I think we're gonna wrap it there.
831
00:39:18,156 --> 00:39:18,989
- I think, I think this interview is over.
832
00:39:18,989 --> 00:39:20,270
- I just said one last question.
833
00:39:20,270 --> 00:39:22,490
- Uh, no, I, I, I, the interview is over.
834
00:39:22,490 --> 00:39:23,480
- We want to know- - Please turn off the cameras.
835
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:24,837
- What, what is a woman? - Please.
836
00:39:24,837 --> 00:39:26,503
Just turn off the cameras. - [Woman] Excuse me.
837
00:39:26,503 --> 00:39:27,380
So we're gonna end the interview.
838
00:39:27,380 --> 00:39:28,580
If you guys could please pack up
839
00:39:28,580 --> 00:39:29,690
and return the office exactly as-
840
00:39:29,690 --> 00:39:30,972
- I just wanted to know- - As you found it.
841
00:39:30,972 --> 00:39:32,090
- Okay, thank you. - I came all this way
842
00:39:32,090 --> 00:39:35,501
to know what- - Thank you. - They're fair questions.
843
00:39:35,501 --> 00:39:36,334
I just wanted to know what is a woman.
844
00:39:36,334 --> 00:39:37,568
- [Woman] And you're not gonna find out.
845
00:39:37,568 --> 00:39:40,901
(slow tempo jazz music)
846
00:39:49,070 --> 00:39:52,043
- My trip to California isn't providing many answers,
847
00:39:53,330 --> 00:39:55,493
but at least I'm making new friends.
848
00:39:56,420 --> 00:39:58,220
You worry about kids walking around out here?
849
00:39:58,220 --> 00:40:00,560
- No, because I raised two daughters.
850
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,900
They're two of the most well-adjusted adults.
851
00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:05,090
They grew up around naked people.
852
00:40:05,090 --> 00:40:07,070
And there's been studies that have shown
853
00:40:07,070 --> 00:40:10,160
that children raised around non-sexual nudity
854
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,070
actually have fewer hangups when they're adults.
855
00:40:13,070 --> 00:40:13,903
- People do have hangups.
856
00:40:13,903 --> 00:40:15,440
There's a lot of things hanging right now.
857
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,570
- Yeah. - During this conversation.
858
00:40:17,570 --> 00:40:19,400
Uh, can anyone be any gender they wanna be?
859
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,050
Can a man become a woman if he wants to be?
860
00:40:21,050 --> 00:40:23,240
- I leave the, I mean, what people do
861
00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:24,440
that's personal choice.
862
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,380
People can live the life they want to.
863
00:40:26,380 --> 00:40:29,090
I, I'm trying to live the life I want to, an authentic life.
864
00:40:29,090 --> 00:40:31,070
- Yeah. - And I- - I can see that. - That's why I respect
865
00:40:31,070 --> 00:40:33,920
other people's rights to choose what they wanna do.
866
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,300
- Well, why are you asking a gay man
867
00:40:35,300 --> 00:40:37,130
as to what it means to be a woman?
868
00:40:37,130 --> 00:40:39,140
You should be asking women what it means to be women,
869
00:40:39,140 --> 00:40:42,030
especially trans women who, what it means to be women.
870
00:40:42,030 --> 00:40:44,060
- Well, I'm asking all kinds of people.
871
00:40:44,060 --> 00:40:46,190
Can anyone have an opinion about it?
872
00:40:46,190 --> 00:40:49,490
- Only people who are women. Gay men don't know nothing
873
00:40:49,490 --> 00:40:51,230
about what it means to be a woman.
874
00:40:51,230 --> 00:40:52,910
- Have you told gay men here in San Francisco
875
00:40:52,910 --> 00:40:54,530
that they're not allowed to talk about this?
876
00:40:54,530 --> 00:40:57,260
- No. But I have, it's not like I come around
877
00:40:57,260 --> 00:41:00,080
and say what a gay man is allowed to be.
878
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,900
- So you're saying, so you're saying if you're not a woman,
879
00:41:02,900 --> 00:41:04,190
then you shouldn't have an opinion.
880
00:41:04,190 --> 00:41:07,700
- Where does a guy get a right to say what a woman is?
881
00:41:07,700 --> 00:41:09,323
Women only know what women are.
882
00:41:10,190 --> 00:41:15,210
- Are you a cat? - No. - Can you tell me what a cat is?
883
00:41:20,660 --> 00:41:22,160
- This is actually a genuine mistake.
884
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,710
I am sorry I even came up here.
885
00:41:25,820 --> 00:41:28,140
- Do you wanna tell us what a woman is?
886
00:41:28,140 --> 00:41:31,310
(slow tempo jazz music)
887
00:41:31,310 --> 00:41:34,040
If my friend in the purple hat is correct
888
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,203
and only women can tell me what a woman is,
889
00:41:37,250 --> 00:41:39,950
I guess I need to go where the women are.
890
00:41:40,896 --> 00:41:43,479
(upbeat music)
891
00:41:51,170 --> 00:41:54,613
What, what is a woman? Can you tell me that?
892
00:41:57,354 --> 00:41:59,934
(group laughing) - Uh. - Well, you're at
893
00:41:59,934 --> 00:42:01,660
the women's march, you must to have some idea.
894
00:42:05,850 --> 00:42:08,933
So I see girl's vagina.
895
00:42:09,890 --> 00:42:11,060
Does that mean that they're the only people
896
00:42:11,060 --> 00:42:12,020
who can get pregnant?
897
00:42:12,020 --> 00:42:13,100
- [Brunette Woman] If men could get pregnant too,
898
00:42:13,100 --> 00:42:15,359
I think they want the right to choose.
899
00:42:15,359 --> 00:42:17,025
- Yeah. - But they, but men can get pregnant?
900
00:42:17,025 --> 00:42:18,920
- We're saying someone who is born as a woman,
901
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,230
but identifies as a man, that- - Is that a man?
902
00:42:21,230 --> 00:42:23,570
- [Blonde Woman] Real man. - It's a real man. - Yeah.
903
00:42:24,592 --> 00:42:26,098
- So they, so men can get pregnant.
904
00:42:26,098 --> 00:42:27,387
- [Blonde Woman] Yes. (laughs)
905
00:42:27,387 --> 00:42:29,750
Yes. - If they have the parts to do so.
906
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:31,070
- Is it just women that get birth or is it?
907
00:42:31,070 --> 00:42:33,650
- Or I guess yeah. - So, so men, so men can give birth too?
908
00:42:33,650 --> 00:42:35,540
- Anyone with a vagina.
909
00:42:35,540 --> 00:42:37,460
- Well, that could be a man or a woman.
910
00:42:37,460 --> 00:42:38,335
- [Blonde Woman] Well, I mean, I think
911
00:42:38,335 --> 00:42:40,250
that's the whole point, right? That it's fluid.
912
00:42:40,250 --> 00:42:42,832
The way that we define these things changes a lot.
913
00:42:42,832 --> 00:42:44,300
- [Brunette Woman] What are you doing here?
914
00:42:44,300 --> 00:42:45,167
- I'm asking these questions.
915
00:42:45,167 --> 00:42:46,843
- Okay. - Trying to figure out what a woman is.
916
00:42:46,843 --> 00:42:48,509
That's why I'm here. And this is the women's march,
917
00:42:48,509 --> 00:42:50,090
I figured this is a good place to find out.
918
00:42:50,090 --> 00:42:51,590
I've come all this way to ask that question.
919
00:42:51,590 --> 00:42:52,700
Can anyone tell me what a woman is?
920
00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:55,753
- If you're not here for women we ask you to leave!
921
00:42:55,753 --> 00:42:59,384
- What is that? - [Crowd Member] He's going to harass you.
922
00:42:59,384 --> 00:43:01,233
He's probably gonna harass you. - Am I harassing?
923
00:43:01,233 --> 00:43:04,252
I'm asking a question. - [Group] Our bodies, our choice.
924
00:43:04,252 --> 00:43:06,158
- Who's body? - Our bodies, our choice.
925
00:43:06,158 --> 00:43:07,433
Our bodies, our choice.
926
00:43:07,433 --> 00:43:09,263
- What, what is a woman? - Our bodies-
927
00:43:09,263 --> 00:43:10,894
- Can, can anyone- - Our choice, our bodies.
928
00:43:10,894 --> 00:43:12,500
- Here at the women's march tell me what a woman is?
929
00:43:12,500 --> 00:43:15,800
- [Group] Our bodies, our- - [Man] Wear a mask, wear a mask!
930
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:16,970
- [Matt] How about you tell me what a woman is
931
00:43:16,970 --> 00:43:19,490
and I'll put a mask on? - Wear a mask! - Sir, tell me
932
00:43:19,490 --> 00:43:21,410
what a woman is and I'll put a mask on.
933
00:43:21,410 --> 00:43:28,032
(body thuds) (group chattering)
934
00:43:28,032 --> 00:43:32,532
- [Group] Asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole.
935
00:43:33,727 --> 00:43:36,197
- [Matt] Please if one person could tell me what a woman is.
936
00:43:36,197 --> 00:43:38,780
(upbeat music)
937
00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:42,950
Do you guys know what a woman is by any chance?
938
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:45,890
- No idea. (slow tempo jazz music)
939
00:43:45,890 --> 00:43:50,890
- I've been all over America, I still can't find an answer.
940
00:43:55,550 --> 00:43:57,808
Maybe I'm looking too close to home.
941
00:43:57,808 --> 00:44:02,808
(upbeat music) (plane engine humming)
942
00:44:05,099 --> 00:44:07,849
(dramatic music)
943
00:44:10,443 --> 00:44:40,168
(group singing in foreign language)
944
00:44:40,168 --> 00:44:42,290
We came a long way to come and talk to you guys.
945
00:44:42,290 --> 00:44:44,570
Thousands of miles from, from America.
946
00:44:44,570 --> 00:44:47,480
So thank you for inviting us into your tribe first of all.
947
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,690
- I can say it is my pleasure to, to meet you.
948
00:44:50,690 --> 00:44:54,590
And feel most welcome. But you're here to learn with me.
949
00:44:54,590 --> 00:44:57,013
I'm here to learn with you too. - Great.
950
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,460
(man singing in foreign language)
951
00:45:01,460 --> 00:45:02,951
What's the right form here?
952
00:45:02,951 --> 00:45:08,003
(man singing in foreign language) - It's just.
953
00:45:08,003 --> 00:45:10,063
- Just with the elbow. - Yeah.
954
00:45:12,076 --> 00:45:13,130
(arrow thuds)
955
00:45:13,130 --> 00:45:14,540
- I mean, they're laughing, so I guess it's not good,
956
00:45:14,540 --> 00:45:16,230
but I thought it was pretty good.
957
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:18,470
Not good enough to be a man yet in your tribe but.
958
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:19,303
What does a man do?
959
00:45:19,303 --> 00:45:22,280
What, what are his roles within the tribe?
960
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:27,280
- The role of a man you need to work for your woman.
961
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,910
Secondly to have children. If you have children
962
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:34,083
and you don't have something to feed them,
963
00:45:34,083 --> 00:45:37,453
you are not still a man. (goat bleating)
964
00:45:37,453 --> 00:45:38,597
(man speaking in foreign language)
965
00:45:38,597 --> 00:45:40,440
(metal clanging) (group chattering)
966
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:45,100
(man speaking in foreign language)
967
00:45:45,100 --> 00:45:49,718
(blood squirting) (group chattering)
968
00:45:49,718 --> 00:45:50,907
(tribe member speaking in foreign language)
969
00:45:50,907 --> 00:45:55,282
- [Matt] There you go. All right. - Yeah.
970
00:45:55,282 --> 00:45:56,682
- Okay. - That's the blood.
971
00:45:58,934 --> 00:46:02,109
(man speaking in foreign language) (Matt gasps)
972
00:46:02,109 --> 00:46:04,310
(man speaking in foreign language)
973
00:46:04,310 --> 00:46:07,211
- Was the best raw kid I've had in my life.
974
00:46:07,211 --> 00:46:11,090
(tribe member laughs) (group chattering) (stick scraping)
975
00:46:11,090 --> 00:46:13,310
What if a man decides
976
00:46:13,310 --> 00:46:17,182
that he wants to do the roles of a woman?
977
00:46:17,182 --> 00:46:21,867
(tribe member speaking in foreign language)
978
00:46:21,867 --> 00:46:23,510
(tribe leader speaking in foreign language)
979
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:28,393
- Uh, in Maasai community, it do not exist at all.
980
00:46:28,393 --> 00:46:29,603
- Doesn't exist.
981
00:46:30,770 --> 00:46:32,600
What if a man decides that his,
982
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,203
his gender identity is, is woman?
983
00:46:37,895 --> 00:46:42,895
(tribe member speaking in foreign language)
984
00:46:43,449 --> 00:46:47,443
(tribe leader speaking in foreign language)
985
00:46:47,443 --> 00:46:51,860
- A woman has it own duty and a man has it own duty.
986
00:46:51,860 --> 00:46:54,380
And a lady cannot do the duty of a man
987
00:46:54,380 --> 00:46:56,550
and a man cannot do a duty of a woman.
988
00:46:57,860 --> 00:47:01,493
- Can a man become a woman?
989
00:47:02,422 --> 00:47:04,381
(tribe member speaking in foreign language)
990
00:47:04,381 --> 00:47:06,020
(tribe leader speaking in foreign language)
991
00:47:06,020 --> 00:47:09,923
- No. - No? - [Tribe Member] No. - What about a transgender?
992
00:47:10,910 --> 00:47:12,972
- What? - Transgender?
993
00:47:12,972 --> 00:47:16,673
(tribe member speaking in foreign language)
994
00:47:16,673 --> 00:47:17,720
(tribe leader speaking in foreign language)
995
00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:20,090
- No. - No? - It'll look like to,
996
00:47:20,090 --> 00:47:23,510
if you want to become a lady but your man
997
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:25,624
you have something wrong- - Something wrong? - In your mind.
998
00:47:25,624 --> 00:47:27,315
- Something wrong in your family.
999
00:47:27,315 --> 00:47:30,020
Something wrong in you. (group chattering)
1000
00:47:30,020 --> 00:47:33,080
- What about if someone was non-binary?
1001
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,230
- Come again? - Non-binary. - Uh-huh.
1002
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:41,230
- Do you know like non, like someone is, is-
1003
00:47:41,630 --> 00:47:43,490
- You're not a woman, you're not a man.
1004
00:47:43,490 --> 00:47:45,860
- Yeah, someone's like, someone is, is neither.
1005
00:47:45,860 --> 00:47:48,063
They're something else. Is that?
1006
00:47:48,063 --> 00:47:53,063
(tribe member speaking in foreign language)
1007
00:47:53,834 --> 00:47:55,480
(man speaking in foreign language)
1008
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,080
(tribe leader speaking in foreign language)
1009
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,050
- He's saying we have never seen things like those.
1010
00:48:00,050 --> 00:48:04,790
For a man he has a penis. For a woman has a vagina.
1011
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:07,310
So we know this is a lady, this is a man.
1012
00:48:07,310 --> 00:48:09,110
- What if it's a woman with a,
1013
00:48:09,110 --> 00:48:12,839
what if it's a woman with a penis? - What?
1014
00:48:12,839 --> 00:48:16,203
(group chattering) Is that?
1015
00:48:16,203 --> 00:48:19,736
(tribe member speaking in foreign language)
1016
00:48:19,736 --> 00:48:22,429
(man laughs) (group chattering) People are laughing.
1017
00:48:22,429 --> 00:48:24,073
Is that, is that a dumb question?
1018
00:48:25,561 --> 00:48:27,800
(tribe leader speaking in foreign language)
1019
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,150
- Uh, they're just laughing
1020
00:48:29,150 --> 00:48:31,580
because they have never hear something like that.
1021
00:48:31,580 --> 00:48:34,620
This they're first time. Yeah. - Never heard it before?
1022
00:48:34,620 --> 00:48:38,750
- A woman have a penis and she's a woman.
1023
00:48:38,750 --> 00:48:40,610
- In my country, I can't go day without hearing it.
1024
00:48:40,610 --> 00:48:41,750
We hear it every day.
1025
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:43,460
So in my country, sometimes you'll hear people say,
1026
00:48:43,460 --> 00:48:45,530
a man will say, I, that I'm a,
1027
00:48:45,530 --> 00:48:47,210
I'm a woman trapped in a man's body.
1028
00:48:47,210 --> 00:48:49,512
And so they say that I have a woman trapped inside me.
1029
00:48:49,512 --> 00:48:52,148
(tribe member laughing)
1030
00:48:52,148 --> 00:48:56,952
(tribe member speaking in foreign language)
1031
00:48:56,952 --> 00:49:00,440
(tribe leader speaking in foreign language)
1032
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:05,030
- They want to know a woman has the breast. - Breast, yeah.
1033
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:07,193
- Secondly, she has, she has a vagina.
1034
00:49:08,030 --> 00:49:12,413
- Vagina. - And the question is, does this man deliver?
1035
00:49:13,610 --> 00:49:18,680
- Does he deliver babies? (group laughing)
1036
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,801
No, not as far as I know.
1037
00:49:20,801 --> 00:49:22,868
(tribe leader speaking in foreign language)
1038
00:49:22,868 --> 00:49:24,197
(group chattering)
1039
00:49:24,197 --> 00:49:27,380
- The question is, let's say, if you want to sleep a woman,
1040
00:49:27,380 --> 00:49:30,793
definitely you'll do sex. - Sex with a woman, yeah.
1041
00:49:30,793 --> 00:49:33,050
- And you (beep) the vagina is it?
1042
00:49:33,050 --> 00:49:35,237
But for the man where do you (beep)?
1043
00:49:36,791 --> 00:49:37,941
He asked that question.
1044
00:49:39,710 --> 00:49:41,013
- I don't know all the logistics of it.
1045
00:49:41,013 --> 00:49:45,290
(group laughing) Based on what I'm saying,
1046
00:49:45,290 --> 00:49:47,282
would you ever wanna move to America?
1047
00:49:47,282 --> 00:49:49,236
(tribe member speaking in foreign language)
1048
00:49:49,236 --> 00:49:50,247
(tribe leader speaking in foreign language)
1049
00:49:50,247 --> 00:49:56,213
(group laughing) - They say no, never.
1050
00:49:57,530 --> 00:50:00,534
- What, what is a woman? If you had to give a, a definition.
1051
00:50:00,534 --> 00:50:04,670
(woman speaking in foreign language)
1052
00:50:04,670 --> 00:50:07,318
- She say a woman delivered.
1053
00:50:07,318 --> 00:50:09,753
- Yeah. - A man cannot. - So it sounds like you,
1054
00:50:09,753 --> 00:50:13,880
you don't spend a lot of time thinking about gender.
1055
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:14,990
You don't, you just kind of live your lives.
1056
00:50:14,990 --> 00:50:16,066
You don't think much about it.
1057
00:50:16,066 --> 00:50:19,099
(tribe member speaking in foreign language)
1058
00:50:19,099 --> 00:50:19,932
(tribe leader speaking in foreign language)
1059
00:50:19,932 --> 00:50:23,420
- He said "No, because we believe that's a God plan."
1060
00:50:23,420 --> 00:50:25,154
- God's plan. (tribe leader speaking in foreign language)
1061
00:50:25,154 --> 00:50:28,940
- He's saying, "That I'm shocked on what you're telling me."
1062
00:50:28,940 --> 00:50:32,090
- He's shocked. - Yeah. (group singing in foreign language)
1063
00:50:32,090 --> 00:50:35,390
- [Matt] The Maasai people don't think much about gender,
1064
00:50:35,390 --> 00:50:38,330
but they have a firm sense of their identity.
1065
00:50:38,330 --> 00:50:39,950
It's clear that gender ideology
1066
00:50:39,950 --> 00:50:42,680
is a uniquely Western phenomenon.
1067
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,750
So where did all this come from?
1068
00:50:44,750 --> 00:50:49,280
Who came up with it and why? (group chattering)
1069
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,110
- Matt, I, I want, I wanna show this to you.
1070
00:50:51,110 --> 00:50:53,997
You're a parent, right? Okay.
1071
00:50:53,997 --> 00:50:58,997
"It's Perfectly Normal", for 10 years and up.
1072
00:50:59,060 --> 00:51:01,433
Here's just one page I want you to see here.
1073
00:51:07,580 --> 00:51:08,630
- For 10 and up, huh?
1074
00:51:09,620 --> 00:51:12,650
- It's it's unspeakable what these people
1075
00:51:12,650 --> 00:51:15,050
have done to our children. - When, when did that start?
1076
00:51:15,050 --> 00:51:17,210
When was it decided that we need to start teaching kids
1077
00:51:17,210 --> 00:51:19,010
about this stuff at such a young age?
1078
00:51:19,010 --> 00:51:23,000
- So I'll answer that with one word, Kinsey.
1079
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:28,557
Kinsey was a social reformer. (slide clicking)
1080
00:51:28,557 --> 00:51:33,170
He wanted to rid society of Judeo-Christian values
1081
00:51:33,170 --> 00:51:35,240
when it came to sexuality,
1082
00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:37,670
and he worked very hard to do that.
1083
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:40,343
And I would say he succeeded.
1084
00:51:41,420 --> 00:51:44,960
- [Matt] Kinsey would be very happy with our culture today.
1085
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,740
His idea was that children are sexual from birth.
1086
00:51:48,740 --> 00:51:50,990
That we're all inherently sexual creatures
1087
00:51:50,990 --> 00:51:52,370
from cradle to grave.
1088
00:51:52,370 --> 00:51:54,770
He believed that true happiness is found
1089
00:51:54,770 --> 00:51:57,890
in a life of perverse sexual experimentation,
1090
00:51:57,890 --> 00:51:59,120
no matter the age.
1091
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,573
- What came out is that his research was fraudulent.
1092
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,840
- Kinsey based, his fraudulent conclusions on data
1093
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:07,760
he collected from convicted sex offenders
1094
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,426
and child molesters. (slide clicking)
1095
00:52:09,426 --> 00:52:11,942
His research was conducted in prisons, not everyday America.
1096
00:52:11,942 --> 00:52:12,775
(slide clicking)
1097
00:52:12,775 --> 00:52:16,010
He also performed horrific sexual experiments on children,
1098
00:52:16,010 --> 00:52:18,795
some under the age of one. (slide clicking)
1099
00:52:18,795 --> 00:52:19,767
His most influential book,
1100
00:52:19,767 --> 00:52:21,980
"Sexual Behavior in the Human Male"
1101
00:52:21,980 --> 00:52:25,070
contains an infamous chart called table 34,
1102
00:52:25,070 --> 00:52:27,740
which documents the orgasms of very young kids,
1103
00:52:27,740 --> 00:52:30,023
including babies as young as five months old.
1104
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:32,750
But instead of suffering the consequences
1105
00:52:32,750 --> 00:52:34,130
for his heinous actions,
1106
00:52:34,130 --> 00:52:38,090
he was and still is celebrated by academia and Hollywood.
1107
00:52:38,090 --> 00:52:40,940
His ideas formed the foundation for sexual education
1108
00:52:40,940 --> 00:52:42,620
in public schools today.
1109
00:52:42,620 --> 00:52:46,250
How do we get from this to you can choose your own gender?
1110
00:52:46,250 --> 00:52:48,080
- Okay, well now we have another
1111
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:52,550
and very important character, and his name was John Money.
1112
00:52:52,550 --> 00:52:54,980
- [Matt] John Money was a psychologist and professor
1113
00:52:54,980 --> 00:52:57,350
at Johns Hopkins University.
1114
00:52:57,350 --> 00:53:00,470
Gender ideology was his brain child.
1115
00:53:00,470 --> 00:53:01,790
In fact, he coined the terms
1116
00:53:01,790 --> 00:53:03,743
gender identity and gender roles.
1117
00:53:04,610 --> 00:53:08,150
And according to Money, babies are gender neutral at birth
1118
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:09,950
and ultimately environment determines
1119
00:53:09,950 --> 00:53:11,870
whether a person is a man or a woman.
1120
00:53:11,870 --> 00:53:15,050
- Money was telling the world about his theory
1121
00:53:15,050 --> 00:53:17,990
that a boy could be raised as a girl
1122
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:20,630
and do just fine and vice versa.
1123
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:21,535
- [Matt] And so money tried out his theory
1124
00:53:21,535 --> 00:53:24,530
on two young twin boys, the Reimer twins.
1125
00:53:24,530 --> 00:53:27,680
- When the twins were eight months old
1126
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,720
and they went to be circumcised,
1127
00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:33,590
the first twin, whose name was Bruce,
1128
00:53:33,590 --> 00:53:37,190
something went wrong with the machinery
1129
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:39,560
and his penis was burnt off.
1130
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,600
They stopped and didn't do a second circumcision
1131
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,970
on the other twin, as you might imagine.
1132
00:53:43,970 --> 00:53:47,120
And the parents of course didn't know what to do.
1133
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:48,800
How are they gonna raise this child?
1134
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,660
- [Matt] John Money convinced Bruce's parents
1135
00:53:50,660 --> 00:53:52,730
to transition him into a girl.
1136
00:53:52,730 --> 00:53:55,580
Money also conducted sexually abusive experiments
1137
00:53:55,580 --> 00:53:57,410
on the twins throughout their childhood,
1138
00:53:57,410 --> 00:54:00,290
including forcing them to simulate sex acts on each other.
1139
00:54:00,290 --> 00:54:03,050
- He reported up to the age of 10
1140
00:54:03,050 --> 00:54:08,270
that this was a complete success. Well, wasn't true.
1141
00:54:08,270 --> 00:54:10,790
- [Matt] The results were a disaster.
1142
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:13,550
Bruce could never fully accept his female identity.
1143
00:54:13,550 --> 00:54:15,110
Eventually his parents told him the truth
1144
00:54:15,110 --> 00:54:17,690
and he chose to transition back to a boy,
1145
00:54:17,690 --> 00:54:21,170
taking the name David. As an adult, David spoke out
1146
00:54:21,170 --> 00:54:24,260
about the abuse and the damage done to him by John Money.
1147
00:54:24,260 --> 00:54:27,290
- The girls would do their things with their Barbies
1148
00:54:27,290 --> 00:54:28,123
and things like that,
1149
00:54:28,123 --> 00:54:31,573
and that wouldn't interest me. - Mm-hmm.
1150
00:54:31,573 --> 00:54:36,410
- And things such as trucks, and building forts,
1151
00:54:36,410 --> 00:54:38,930
and, you know, get into the odd fist fight
1152
00:54:38,930 --> 00:54:41,510
and climbing trees, that's the kind of stuff that I liked,
1153
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:44,000
but it was unacceptable. So I never- - As a girl.
1154
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,700
- [David] As, as a girl, I had no place to, to fit in.
1155
00:54:46,700 --> 00:54:48,980
- The trauma that he and his brother
1156
00:54:48,980 --> 00:54:53,450
and his entire family went through left deep scars.
1157
00:54:53,450 --> 00:54:58,450
His brother died of an overdose when he was 38,
1158
00:54:58,730 --> 00:55:01,673
and then David died, committed suicide.
1159
00:55:03,050 --> 00:55:04,760
- There was never a retraction
1160
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,740
or an apology from John Money,
1161
00:55:06,740 --> 00:55:09,770
instead his ideas were adopted by mainstream psychology
1162
00:55:09,770 --> 00:55:13,100
and they formed the basis of gender ideology today.
1163
00:55:13,100 --> 00:55:14,660
Why don't more people know
1164
00:55:14,660 --> 00:55:17,840
about John Money and Alfred Kinsey?
1165
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:19,910
- Evidently there are forces
1166
00:55:19,910 --> 00:55:21,760
that don't want this information out.
1167
00:55:23,860 --> 00:55:27,483
(gentle brooding music) - I, I never fit.
1168
00:55:27,483 --> 00:55:29,120
I was a, I was an alpha female,
1169
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,693
a sales executive that kind of just didn't fit in any box.
1170
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:39,170
When psychologists, or somebody that I was in love with,
1171
00:55:39,170 --> 00:55:41,030
or whatever said that I was in the wrong body,
1172
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:43,793
I started to think, well, maybe I am.
1173
00:55:47,330 --> 00:55:51,830
I'm a biological woman that medically transitioned
1174
00:55:51,830 --> 00:55:53,510
to appear like a male
1175
00:55:53,510 --> 00:55:56,390
through synthetic hormones and surgery.
1176
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:59,840
I will never be a man.
1177
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:04,250
Is it transphobic for me to tell the truth?
1178
00:56:04,250 --> 00:56:06,320
Why is it in a couple hundred years from now
1179
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:07,340
if you dug up my body,
1180
00:56:07,340 --> 00:56:10,823
they're gonna go, yep, that was a woman. Had babies.
1181
00:56:11,660 --> 00:56:16,403
- Can you tell me about the procedures that you, you had?
1182
00:56:16,403 --> 00:56:17,873
- I've had seven surgeries.
1183
00:56:18,890 --> 00:56:20,750
I've had one stress heart attack.
1184
00:56:20,750 --> 00:56:24,170
I've had a helicopter life ride with a pulmonary embolism.
1185
00:56:24,170 --> 00:56:29,120
I've had 17 rounds of antibiotics. I had six inches of hair
1186
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,540
on the inside of my urethra for 17 months.
1187
00:56:32,540 --> 00:56:33,650
Nobody would help me,
1188
00:56:33,650 --> 00:56:35,137
including the doctor that did this to me,
1189
00:56:35,137 --> 00:56:37,460
'cause I lost my insurance.
1190
00:56:37,460 --> 00:56:39,740
I get infections every three to four months.
1191
00:56:39,740 --> 00:56:42,203
I'm probably not gonna live very long.
1192
00:56:43,700 --> 00:56:45,260
- Was there any real discussion
1193
00:56:45,260 --> 00:56:48,493
of the risks and the side effects and?
1194
00:56:48,493 --> 00:56:52,640
- No, no, there's not.
1195
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,650
And I know that people want to think that there is,
1196
00:56:54,650 --> 00:56:55,553
but there's not.
1197
00:56:56,450 --> 00:57:00,110
The truth is, is that medical transition is experimental.
1198
00:57:00,110 --> 00:57:04,340
We have studies that said that medical transition
1199
00:57:04,340 --> 00:57:06,950
helps mental health, helps mental health with kids.
1200
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:10,850
They've all been retracted, modified, changed.
1201
00:57:10,850 --> 00:57:14,690
But the only long-term study tells us seven to 10 years
1202
00:57:14,690 --> 00:57:18,053
is when transgender people are the most suicidal.
1203
00:57:19,100 --> 00:57:23,930
- After. - After surgery. But that's transphobic to say.
1204
00:57:23,930 --> 00:57:26,990
For the first time in history
1205
00:57:26,990 --> 00:57:31,040
a marginalized group has a huge dollar sign
1206
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:35,870
on the top of their head. We have five children's hospitals
1207
00:57:35,870 --> 00:57:39,773
in the United States promoting that.
1208
00:57:43,285 --> 00:57:46,430
- What? - That's a phalloplasty. That's a bottom surgery.
1209
00:57:46,430 --> 00:57:50,960
We have five children's hospitals in the United States
1210
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:55,960
telling girls that they can be boys at $70,000 a pop
1211
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:03,050
in a surgery that has a 67% complication rate
1212
00:58:03,050 --> 00:58:08,050
that will kill me from infection that I can't sue on.
1213
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,090
We're butchering a generation of children
1214
00:58:11,090 --> 00:58:14,000
because nobody's willing to talk about anything.
1215
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,720
I have three kids
1216
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,933
at the age that they're doing this to kids.
1217
00:58:22,490 --> 00:58:24,500
I'm not transphobic.
1218
00:58:24,500 --> 00:58:27,410
I love my kids and I love other people's kids.
1219
00:58:27,410 --> 00:58:28,823
And you should too.
1220
00:58:30,140 --> 00:58:35,140
This is wrong on so many levels.
1221
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,060
- Can kids consent? Do you think kids are- - No.
1222
00:58:38,060 --> 00:58:40,100
- Capable of consenting to this? - No, they're not.
1223
00:58:40,100 --> 00:58:43,490
Being a parent is loving the hell outta your kids
1224
00:58:43,490 --> 00:58:45,980
and helping them see around corners.
1225
00:58:45,980 --> 00:58:47,450
- What's the, what's the youngest patient
1226
00:58:47,450 --> 00:58:49,313
that you've operated on?
1227
00:58:50,450 --> 00:58:53,340
- The youngest patient I've done vaginal plasty on
1228
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,920
um, is age 16. - Do you worry that minors
1229
00:59:00,740 --> 00:59:03,080
just don't understand enough about themselves?
1230
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,060
They're not neurologically developed enough yet
1231
00:59:05,060 --> 00:59:10,820
to make permanent life altering decisions. - Absolutely not.
1232
00:59:10,820 --> 00:59:13,790
- A young person's self-perception
1233
00:59:13,790 --> 00:59:15,710
one day they may be clear,
1234
00:59:15,710 --> 00:59:19,040
the next day they may be totally confused and not sure.
1235
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,910
And you're affirming it with hormones
1236
00:59:22,910 --> 00:59:25,700
that have never been used in this way.
1237
00:59:25,700 --> 00:59:28,010
In the, in the field of medicine.
1238
00:59:28,010 --> 00:59:29,390
- You're talking about puberty blockers.
1239
00:59:29,390 --> 00:59:32,450
- Blockers, and then opposite sex hormones.
1240
00:59:32,450 --> 00:59:34,520
- At what age does the medical transition
1241
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:38,600
begin with medication? - So medical affirmation
1242
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,780
begins when the patient says they're ready for it.
1243
00:59:41,780 --> 00:59:44,210
So that could be a, a kiddo
1244
00:59:44,210 --> 00:59:47,600
who is just starting puberty and panicking
1245
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,070
'cause they're getting breast buds
1246
00:59:49,070 --> 00:59:52,400
or their penis is getting bigger and busier,
1247
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,670
and they're worried about all kinds of masculine changes.
1248
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:57,590
And that way puberty blockers,
1249
00:59:57,590 --> 01:00:00,110
which are completely reversible,
1250
01:00:00,110 --> 01:00:02,840
and don't have permanent effects
1251
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,950
are wonderful because we can put that pause on puberty.
1252
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:08,480
Just like if you were to listen in music,
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you put the pause on, and we stop the blockers,
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and puberty would go right back to where it was,
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the next note in the song just delayed that period of time.
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- You can just pause puberty. - No you can't.
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- And then pick it up-
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- No you can't. - In the future. - No you can't.
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How many studies do they have, long-term studies
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on hormone blockers with children? None.
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- I just spoke a month or two ago
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with a mother whose 14-year-old daughter
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was put on blockers. They discovered after two years
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this 14-year-old girl has osteoporosis.
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That's something that like old women get.
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- How can doctors assure parents
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that a certain medicine is totally safe?
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If based on what you're saying,
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they can't possibly know that.
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- How can they be removing the healthy breasts
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of 15-year-old girls? How can they be sterilizing kids?
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How can this whole thing be happening, Matt?
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- Every child that they convince is, is transgender
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and in need of medical transition
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it generates 1.3 million to pharma.
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01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:22,430
And we're believing a pharmaceutical company, Lupron,
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hormone blockers reversible so they say.
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Well, the truth is that in 2003 Lupron was sued
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and deemed a criminal enterprise by the US government.
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They paid the most fine of any pharmaceutical company
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at that time, $874 million, wrote a check.
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01:01:42,290 --> 01:01:46,243
- Is Lupron chemical castration? - Yes.
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We're giving it to pedophiles aren't we?
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We're giving it to people that are dying.
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01:01:52,670 --> 01:01:54,590
And we're giving it to kids telling them
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that they were born in the wrong body
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and it's completely safe.
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01:01:57,410 --> 01:01:59,120
- One of the drugs used is Lupron, right?
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Which- - Mm-hmm. - Has actually been used
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to chemically castrate sex offenders.
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- You know what?
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01:02:05,890 --> 01:02:07,820
I'm not sure that we should continue with this interview,
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because it seems like it's going-
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01:02:08,653 --> 01:02:10,850
- Why not? - In a particular direction.
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01:02:10,850 --> 01:02:12,200
- Well, you're a medical professional.
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- I am a medical professional.
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- So you don't wanna talk about the drugs
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that you give to kids or?
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01:02:18,625 --> 01:02:22,100
- Again, I'm a physician and I use medication.
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You're choosing exploitive words, drugs I give to kids.
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- I'm, I'm choosing a-
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- Chemical castration. - Word that was in a dictionary.
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01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:30,950
- That's not a correct term for puberty blocking
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in a transgender person. - I mean I could
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look it up on my phone,
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but I'm pretty sure if I looked it up like-
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- You, you can look it up on your phone.
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- It says, "Medical definition, the administration of a drug
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to bring about a marked reduction of the body's production
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of androgens and especially testosterone."
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- And I'm saying as a pediatrician
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who takes care of hundreds of these kids,
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when you use that terminology
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you were being malignant and harmful.
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- I mean, there are some who would say
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that giving chemical drugs to kids is malignant and harmful.
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01:02:57,590 --> 01:03:00,050
- It's about the context of caring for a child
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and, and seeing the, the suffering that kids
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can have that have not been an affirmative home situations.
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- What do you say to the claim that,
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well, we have to do this for these kids
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because if we don't, they'll kill themselves,
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they'll, they'll resort to drugs and self harm?
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- A lot of them were hurting themselves.
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A lot of them were suicidal
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before they even discovered gender.
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That is never part of the discussion.
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And they say, what would you rather
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have a, a living daughter or a dead son?
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If this is what the professionals are saying,
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it's terrible emotional blackmail. (brooding music)
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- [Man] Hello? - [Matt] Hey, is this (beep)?
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- [Man] This is yes. - [Matt] Hey it's it's Matt Walsh.
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Are you, where are you right now?
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- [Man] I'm, I'm in Vancouver, British Columbia,
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Canada right now.
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- [Matt] Are you, can, are you able to leave?
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- [Man] I'm not able to leave B.C.
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I can't even go to another province in Canada right now.
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Uh, and it's because I'm technically out on bail.
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- [Matt] What happened exactly? (dramatic music)
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How exactly did, did this get into the courts to begin with?
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- [Man] Right, so what happened
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is we set up a meeting with B.C. Children's Hospital
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and according to the B.C. Children's Hospital website,
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there's gonna be a thorough evaluation.
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and I'm thinking, good. This is gonna be the end of it all.
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They're gonna clearly see that my child
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is not the opposite sex.
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So my ex-wife brings my child into B.C. Children's hospital.
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I get a call less than an hour into that appointment
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that they were gonna pump her full cross-sex hormones
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within the hour. And I put a halt to that. I said, no.
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They agreed to, to stop for the moment.
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They figured, well, let's get the dad on board too.
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This is all gonna be better.
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Let's just get everybody on the same page.
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I said, it's not gonna happen.
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So I get a letter from B.C. Children's Hospital
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in December of 2018,
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and it says, "That under the B.C. Infant's Act
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they will start injecting my child with cross-sex hormones,
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and I have two weeks to respond with legal action
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if I so choose." And so that's how I ended up in court
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'cause I did respond with legal action.
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- [Matt] So you called your daughter a she,
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and you, you went to jail for that?
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- [Man] It's considered criminal violence
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to not use the preferred pronouns.
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It's no different than let's say I were to take a broomstick
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and whack one of my kids over the head.
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So they were treating it in a similar fashion
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that misgendering, mispronouning my child
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was the equivalent of family violence.
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- [Matt] Is she on the hormone pills now?
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- [Man] She is.
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The court ordered that she could do whatever she wanted.
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- 2010 until I would say 2016,
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I would say 80% of my clients were trans youth.
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Now it is you identify, you take hormones, you do surgery.
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There isn't any other pathways.
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- So if you have two parents,
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one parent wants to affirm the trans identity,
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the other parent doesn't who wins that battle?
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01:06:19,850 --> 01:06:22,003
- The one who wants to affirm. - Every time?
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- Every single time.
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The goal is to get the parents to affirm the kid.
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(plane engine humming) (dramatic music)
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- There's no such thing as a gender affirming therapist.
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That's a contradiction in terms. - Why?
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- Because you don't affirm if you're a therapist.
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It's not your business to affirm.
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You come to see me 'cause there's something wrong.
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Maybe you come to see me
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because a destructive element of you
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is wreaking havoc in your life.
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I'm on the side of the part of you
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that wants to aim up, man. That's what I'm on the side of.
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Okay, now I don't know what that means in your case,
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but we're gonna talk about it.
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Am I gonna affirm what you think?
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No, it's not up to me to affirm it.
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You don't get a casual pat on the back from a therapist
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for your preexisting axiomatic conclusions.
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That's not therapy. That's a rubber stamp.
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- Is anybody at any point explaining to these kids
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the, the, the real long-term consequences
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of hormones and puberty blockers?
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- I don't think they're explaining it to the kids.
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So that has frightened me,
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that it's become that we're even talking to the kids
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about it at 10, we're presenting it in schools.
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- So this generation, they're the, they're the lab rats?
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- Biological sex binary.
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It's been binary for like a hundred million years,
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longer than that.
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Temperament is not binary, temperament or personality.
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- So that's gender. Temperament is gender?
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- Well, gender's not a good word,
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because it's vague and it isn't measurable.
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01:07:53,690 --> 01:07:55,356
- So do we need it? Why can we just say temperament?
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01:07:55,356 --> 01:07:56,810
What do we even need the word gender for?
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- Well, I don't need it. - Yeah. - But what I would say
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is that people who talk about the diversity and gender
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are actually talking
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about diversity, and personality, and temperament,
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but they don't know it.
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You can have a masculine temperament if you're a woman.
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Maybe one in 10 women have the average temperament of a man.
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And you can have feminine men temperamentally.
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And it's not that uncommon, because the differences
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between men and women temperamentally aren't that great.
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There are masculine girls. There are feminine boys.
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What are we gonna do about that? Carve them up.
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- You as someone who, who started your professional life,
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you know, transgender care. - Yeah.
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01:08:34,130 --> 01:08:36,320
- Now you're sitting here talking to me
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um, and I'm a dangerous man I've been told.
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01:08:39,740 --> 01:08:43,580
- Mm-hmm. - Are you worried about reprisals?
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Are you worried about how this is gonna be,
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01:08:45,050 --> 01:08:47,720
how this is gonna play among your professional peers?
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01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:50,150
- I am worried that I can't have conversations
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with any other peers. I don't know any other peer
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01:08:53,450 --> 01:08:57,110
that will speak to me around these things. That question it.
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01:08:57,110 --> 01:08:59,790
I just don't think developmentally
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01:09:00,950 --> 01:09:03,380
this is helpful to our children.
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01:09:03,380 --> 01:09:05,000
- You step wrong as the therapist,
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you say the wrong thing once,
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and like your bloody career is over.
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01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:10,070
And now it's the same with physicians.
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01:09:10,070 --> 01:09:11,480
How's that gonna work?
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01:09:11,480 --> 01:09:13,040
You're gonna go have an honest conversation
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01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,860
with your physician when he's terrified out of his mind
1454
01:09:15,860 --> 01:09:17,900
that he'll say something politically incorrect
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01:09:17,900 --> 01:09:19,580
during the diagnostic processes.
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01:09:19,580 --> 01:09:22,610
Hey man, you're sick with whatever you wanna be.
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01:09:22,610 --> 01:09:26,660
See you later. You want a prescription for something.
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01:09:26,660 --> 01:09:28,520
- I left academia because the climate
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had become too stifling politically,
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especially when it comes to the topic of gender identity
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01:09:34,010 --> 01:09:35,450
and the science of gender
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01:09:35,450 --> 01:09:38,630
it is absolutely impossible to do good research.
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You basically have to decide beforehand
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what you're going to find,
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so that you don't upset activists.
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And that is not how you do science.
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- Why has this shift occurred
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where all of a sudden gender and sex
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have become so politically and culturally charged?
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- There is a really ugly history
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between sex researchers and transgender activists.
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In the past if any sex researcher spoke out
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about science that went against activists orthodoxy,
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01:10:04,850 --> 01:10:08,030
or particular narratives that activists wanted to promote,
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they would basically have their personal
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01:10:09,650 --> 01:10:11,450
and professional reputations ruined.
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01:10:11,450 --> 01:10:14,990
So what you see is that only experts who tow the party line
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01:10:14,990 --> 01:10:16,910
and say the things that activists like,
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those are the people who get attention.
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Those are the people who get lifted up in the media.
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And also, I would say people are incentivized to go along
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with the activist narratives and gender ideology,
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01:10:25,970 --> 01:10:28,970
because that helps their career. - Trans is very cool.
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01:10:28,970 --> 01:10:32,930
Trans is a way of, of, of giving yourself value.
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01:10:32,930 --> 01:10:36,080
Given the way society at the moment is functioning.
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All of the things that used to give us anchors of identity
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have become very fluid or very volatile in recent years.
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And into that context, I think what, what you find then is,
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is new identities start to, to fill the void or the vacuum.
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01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,510
Whereas in the past, I might have got my sense of self-worth
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from being part of the village where I grew up.
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01:10:56,030 --> 01:10:57,980
Now, I might get my sense of self-worth
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01:10:57,980 --> 01:11:00,890
through being part of the online community
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01:11:00,890 --> 01:11:02,750
that I connect with or part of the,
1495
01:11:02,750 --> 01:11:07,040
the sexual identity community. - So now we are seeing kids
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that are identifying as animals going to school,
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and they are purring instead of answering questions
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and they meow,
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01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:20,240
and the teachers are not allowed to question it
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01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:22,400
because it's considered a queer identity.
1501
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:25,460
- So you have kids that are going to school
1502
01:11:25,460 --> 01:11:28,160
and they're saying I'm a cat. - Mm-hmm.
1503
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:32,570
- And the teachers have to affirm them as a cat?
1504
01:11:32,570 --> 01:11:33,530
- Yes, so it's not- - So schools are-
1505
01:11:33,530 --> 01:11:34,880
- Just the young ones. - Like literal,
1506
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:40,190
literal zoos now basically. - They are. (Naia howling)
1507
01:11:40,190 --> 01:11:43,340
- I am a 27-year-old transgender woman.
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01:11:43,340 --> 01:11:46,580
I am a wolf therian and a member of the furry fandom.
1509
01:11:46,580 --> 01:11:49,583
- When and how did you discover this inner wolfness?
1510
01:11:50,540 --> 01:11:52,550
- Probably around age 10 or 11.
1511
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:55,790
I was watching an anime about wolves,
1512
01:11:55,790 --> 01:11:59,000
and see the wolf running across the screen,
1513
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:01,703
and I'm somehow just intrinsically like, oh, that's me.
1514
01:12:01,703 --> 01:12:04,610
- Have you spent any time around biological wolves?
1515
01:12:04,610 --> 01:12:07,280
- Yes. - That sounds dangerous also.
1516
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:08,300
What, what context are you?
1517
01:12:08,300 --> 01:12:11,030
- So I was a volunteer with a preserve,
1518
01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:14,270
and I've, I've also visited many wolf preserves.
1519
01:12:14,270 --> 01:12:17,780
- Are you able to communicate with the wolves?
1520
01:12:17,780 --> 01:12:20,060
- Am I gonna have a conversation with the wolf
1521
01:12:20,060 --> 01:12:23,510
in the way that I'm communicating you and I? Obviously not.
1522
01:12:23,510 --> 01:12:25,760
Am I going to read their body language,
1523
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:28,580
respond appropriately to their behaviors
1524
01:12:28,580 --> 01:12:30,673
and their nonverbal cues? Yes.
1525
01:12:30,673 --> 01:12:32,180
- Would you be able, would you be able to give us
1526
01:12:32,180 --> 01:12:36,398
an example of this wolf communication? - No.
1527
01:12:36,398 --> 01:12:39,110
I'm not comfortable doing so. - Okay, all right.
1528
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:44,110
How exactly have these ideas become so pervasive?
1529
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:47,150
- First of all, I think we need to remember
1530
01:12:47,150 --> 01:12:50,720
that in the West at least, we have it drilled into our minds
1531
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,510
from childhood onwards that personal happiness
1532
01:12:53,510 --> 01:12:56,150
is the key to individual flourishing.
1533
01:12:56,150 --> 01:12:58,820
Secondly, we think of ourselves in psychological terms.
1534
01:12:58,820 --> 01:13:02,780
I am my feelings. And in order for me to be happy,
1535
01:13:02,780 --> 01:13:04,430
I have to be able to express my feelings.
1536
01:13:04,430 --> 01:13:05,750
I have to be outwardly
1537
01:13:05,750 --> 01:13:08,450
that which I feel myself to be inwardly.
1538
01:13:08,450 --> 01:13:11,420
Thirdly, we are taught that interfering
1539
01:13:11,420 --> 01:13:14,090
with somebody else's happiness is very bad.
1540
01:13:14,090 --> 01:13:16,880
We need to acknowledge that there are powerful lobby groups,
1541
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:19,310
powerful cultural and political lobby groups
1542
01:13:19,310 --> 01:13:21,080
driving this thing.
1543
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:26,080
Hollywood is pressing LGBTQ+ matters in so many movies.
1544
01:13:26,570 --> 01:13:30,230
We're seeing it in the way Amazon sets up its algorithms.
1545
01:13:30,230 --> 01:13:32,900
There are all kinds of factors in society
1546
01:13:32,900 --> 01:13:36,050
that are pushing what would really be numerically
1547
01:13:36,050 --> 01:13:39,110
a fairly minority interest into being one
1548
01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:43,254
of the main political focal points of this generation.
1549
01:13:43,254 --> 01:13:46,004
(dramatic music)
1550
01:13:46,910 --> 01:13:49,790
- After my operation, I will be a woman.
1551
01:13:49,790 --> 01:13:52,850
- Why can't she just be a lesbian?
1552
01:13:52,850 --> 01:13:56,000
- 'Cause she's not a lesbian mom. She's a boy.
1553
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,190
- Because I was born in a girl's body.
1554
01:13:58,190 --> 01:14:01,850
- Can I ask you a question? Why don't you kiss me?
1555
01:14:01,850 --> 01:14:03,800
- [Preston] The whole idea of social contagion,
1556
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:06,650
that there could be something in one social environment
1557
01:14:06,650 --> 01:14:09,410
that could play some role in somebody coming out,
1558
01:14:09,410 --> 01:14:10,430
identifying as trans,
1559
01:14:10,430 --> 01:14:13,730
would you say that that is definitely part of your story?
1560
01:14:13,730 --> 01:14:16,370
- When I look back, I don't think I would've ever even
1561
01:14:16,370 --> 01:14:19,820
considered in seeing myself as a boy
1562
01:14:19,820 --> 01:14:22,010
without these social aspects.
1563
01:14:22,010 --> 01:14:24,753
Especially if I hadn't joined these online communities.
1564
01:14:24,753 --> 01:14:28,460
(fast tempo dramatic music) - I identify as non-binary.
1565
01:14:28,460 --> 01:14:30,860
I'll officially be changing my pronouns to they/them.
1566
01:14:30,860 --> 01:14:34,430
- My pronouns are he/him and demon/demonself.
1567
01:14:34,430 --> 01:14:36,860
- I've been going by they/them pronouns for four years now.
1568
01:14:36,860 --> 01:14:38,526
I'm pretty- - They! - Comfortable with it. - They!
1569
01:14:38,526 --> 01:14:42,470
I use they/them pronouns. - There was literally a period
1570
01:14:42,470 --> 01:14:46,100
of a few weeks to a few months, I started out as an ally,
1571
01:14:46,100 --> 01:14:48,710
and then eventually I starting to identify as transgender.
1572
01:14:48,710 --> 01:14:50,870
- [Both] We are trans models. - So they go on the internet
1573
01:14:50,870 --> 01:14:53,720
and they're told that all of their problems will be solved
1574
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:55,730
if they become a man.
1575
01:14:55,730 --> 01:14:59,090
- Kids are being taught you might feel like you're a boy
1576
01:14:59,090 --> 01:15:01,610
even if you have a vagina and you're a girl,
1577
01:15:01,610 --> 01:15:03,500
you are what you feel you are.
1578
01:15:03,500 --> 01:15:05,780
- Some people are girls, some are boys, some are both,
1579
01:15:05,780 --> 01:15:06,613
some are neither.
1580
01:15:06,613 --> 01:15:09,020
Gender is all about how we feel on the inside
1581
01:15:09,020 --> 01:15:10,534
and how we express ourselves.
1582
01:15:10,534 --> 01:15:12,440
- Ah, the gender fluid teacher.
1583
01:15:12,440 --> 01:15:15,590
What do I go by in the classroom? I go by teacher Fambrini.
1584
01:15:15,590 --> 01:15:17,630
- As a queer and trans teacher my agenda
1585
01:15:17,630 --> 01:15:19,340
is to show little boys that they don't have
1586
01:15:19,340 --> 01:15:21,920
to be like as stereotypically masculine.
1587
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:23,660
That they can like paint their nails and wear earrings
1588
01:15:23,660 --> 01:15:26,000
and like still be a guy, and like it can be cool.
1589
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:26,870
- So you worry that there,
1590
01:15:26,870 --> 01:15:30,770
there could be a sort of social contagion element of this?
1591
01:15:30,770 --> 01:15:34,430
- A teeny tiny bit, maybe. (dramatic music)
1592
01:15:34,430 --> 01:15:36,620
- [Helena] Looking back on it was the same pattern.
1593
01:15:36,620 --> 01:15:38,570
Just kids who were really struggling.
1594
01:15:38,570 --> 01:15:41,420
Kids who were very alone and isolated.
1595
01:15:41,420 --> 01:15:42,680
- [Miriam] They have anxiety.
1596
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:44,600
They don't fit in with their peers.
1597
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:46,850
They don't know where they belong.
1598
01:15:46,850 --> 01:15:49,610
- Maybe they didn't have a welcoming family life.
1599
01:15:49,610 --> 01:15:52,160
They just got caught up in these communities online.
1600
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:55,640
- Then they discover, hey, there's these group of people
1601
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:57,973
and they also don't fit in. They're different.
1602
01:15:57,973 --> 01:16:01,160
They're not sure who they are. Gee, that's where I fit in.
1603
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:04,160
- Today is the day before my top surgery.
1604
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:05,990
I am waking up tomorrow at 5:00 am
1605
01:16:05,990 --> 01:16:08,390
to have a subcutaneous mastectomy.
1606
01:16:08,390 --> 01:16:11,480
- We're telling children when they haven't fully developed
1607
01:16:11,480 --> 01:16:15,230
that all you have to do is medically transition
1608
01:16:15,230 --> 01:16:18,350
and you fit in. I was one of those kids.
1609
01:16:18,350 --> 01:16:23,649
It got me at 42. Your child doesn't have a chance.
1610
01:16:23,649 --> 01:16:28,010
(dramatic music) - Trans rights.
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01:16:28,010 --> 01:16:30,410
This is only going in one direction.
1612
01:16:30,410 --> 01:16:35,900
You will respect us. (slow tempo electronic music)
1613
01:16:35,900 --> 01:16:39,920
- As parents come to understand more about gender identity
1614
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,020
kids are coming out at younger ages.
1615
01:16:42,020 --> 01:16:45,200
- It's exciting. And you know, who gets it right?
1616
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:46,880
Is this next generation.
1617
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:49,550
- The next generation who's already telling us
1618
01:16:49,550 --> 01:16:51,770
that our antiquated ideas of things
1619
01:16:51,770 --> 01:16:54,743
have to be a certain way just don't apply to them.
1620
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,330
- They're rejecting a lot of our social mores.
1621
01:16:59,330 --> 01:17:00,730
They're tweaking the system.
1622
01:17:04,755 --> 01:17:07,160
(dramatic music) - I just don't think it's realistic
1623
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:11,030
to put this decision on them that is basically saying,
1624
01:17:11,030 --> 01:17:16,010
are you okay with the risk of permanent health effects
1625
01:17:16,010 --> 01:17:18,230
that you can never, ever reverse?
1626
01:17:18,230 --> 01:17:20,657
How can you ask that of such a small child?
1627
01:17:20,657 --> 01:17:25,550
(gentle dramatic music) (dramatic music)
1628
01:17:25,550 --> 01:17:28,220
- [Michelle] I'm a physician and I use medication.
1629
01:17:28,220 --> 01:17:30,980
- [Marci] Certainly, it's a bit of a Faustian bargain.
1630
01:17:30,980 --> 01:17:32,030
- [Michelle] Puberty blockers,
1631
01:17:32,030 --> 01:17:34,043
which are completely reversible.
1632
01:17:37,070 --> 01:17:40,152
- [Patrick] You keep invoking the word truth,
1633
01:17:40,152 --> 01:17:42,410
which is condescending and rude.
1634
01:17:42,410 --> 01:17:44,000
- [Gert] Some women have penises, right?
1635
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:45,263
Some men have vaginas.
1636
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:48,380
- [Michelle] Does a chicken cry?
1637
01:17:48,380 --> 01:17:50,063
Does a chicken commit suicide?
1638
01:17:50,930 --> 01:17:54,620
- [Gert] I'm not a woman, so I, I can't really answer that.
1639
01:17:54,620 --> 01:17:57,003
- [Don] I guess because I got a dick.
1640
01:17:57,954 --> 01:18:00,621
(ominous music)
1641
01:18:11,256 --> 01:18:14,930
(brooding music) - [Matt] Somehow this madness
1642
01:18:14,930 --> 01:18:16,853
has infected our entire society.
1643
01:18:18,380 --> 01:18:19,493
Am I the crazy one?
1644
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:27,920
I'm done asking questions. (chair thudding) (board thuds)
1645
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:29,780
- Tanner Cross is on administrative leave
1646
01:18:29,780 --> 01:18:31,790
for what he said about gender identity.
1647
01:18:31,790 --> 01:18:33,410
He said, "He would not call a student
1648
01:18:33,410 --> 01:18:35,750
who's transgender by their preferred pronoun."
1649
01:18:35,750 --> 01:18:37,160
- I can't lie to children.
1650
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:39,590
And, and I gotta also represent a whole community
1651
01:18:39,590 --> 01:18:42,560
that believes in biological facts and scientific facts.
1652
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:44,540
And I just can't, I can't do that to kids.
1653
01:18:44,540 --> 01:18:46,340
- You get into teaching because you love kids.
1654
01:18:46,340 --> 01:18:48,770
This policy started coming into play
1655
01:18:48,770 --> 01:18:50,300
and I was like, wait a minute,
1656
01:18:50,300 --> 01:18:52,850
It's causing me, I'm gonna have to lie to my kids.
1657
01:18:52,850 --> 01:18:54,470
The ones I've always wanted to protect.
1658
01:18:54,470 --> 01:18:58,100
- Do we have assaults in our bathrooms,
1659
01:18:58,100 --> 01:19:00,560
in our locker rooms regularly?
1660
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:03,140
- [Man] To my knowledge, we don't have any records
1661
01:19:03,140 --> 01:19:04,644
of assaults occurring in our restroom.
1662
01:19:04,644 --> 01:19:07,485
- [Woman] My child was raped at school,
1663
01:19:07,485 --> 01:19:09,568
and this is what happens.
1664
01:19:10,730 --> 01:19:13,190
- The predator transgender student is,
1665
01:19:13,190 --> 01:19:16,280
or person simply it does not exist.
1666
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:17,787
- The Virginia Department of Education says,
1667
01:19:17,787 --> 01:19:19,250
"It is now reviewing whether
1668
01:19:19,250 --> 01:19:20,870
the Loudoun County school district
1669
01:19:20,870 --> 01:19:23,330
has properly reported cases of sexual assault."
1670
01:19:23,330 --> 01:19:25,040
This comes after a 15-year-old
1671
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:27,020
was charged on two separate occasions
1672
01:19:27,020 --> 01:19:30,533
for assaulting two different students at different schools.
1673
01:19:32,540 --> 01:19:34,610
- Dozens rallying tonight in Loudoun County
1674
01:19:34,610 --> 01:19:36,380
to protest the school's policies.
1675
01:19:36,380 --> 01:19:38,240
- So that includes limiting who can talk
1676
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:41,090
during public comment portions of board meetings.
1677
01:19:41,090 --> 01:19:43,070
One speaker leased property in the area
1678
01:19:43,070 --> 01:19:44,840
just so he could speak tonight.
1679
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:47,480
Fox 5's Perris Jones is live with the details.
1680
01:19:47,480 --> 01:19:50,067
- That's right, conservative commentator Matt Walsh told me,
1681
01:19:50,067 --> 01:19:53,330
"He's leasing out someone's basement in Loudoun County
1682
01:19:53,330 --> 01:19:56,120
so he'd be able to speak during tonight's meeting."
1683
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:58,880
- I decided last week to fulfill my lifelong dream
1684
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:02,120
of being a, um, a Loudoun County resident.
1685
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:05,270
You know, I've always felt like I've lived in Tennessee.
1686
01:20:05,270 --> 01:20:07,850
I felt sort of like a Virginian
1687
01:20:07,850 --> 01:20:09,400
trapped in a Tennessean's body.
1688
01:20:10,430 --> 01:20:11,953
I identify sort of state fluid, I guess.
1689
01:20:11,953 --> 01:20:14,000
- [Reporter] This is Matt Walsh, he tweeted,
1690
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,073
how do you do, fellow Virginians?
1691
01:20:18,650 --> 01:20:19,973
- Now I just got explain to my wife and kids
1692
01:20:19,973 --> 01:20:22,537
that we're gonna be staying in someone's basement.
1693
01:20:22,537 --> 01:20:25,287
(brooding music)
1694
01:20:28,220 --> 01:20:30,820
They tried to muzzle me by not allowing me to speak.
1695
01:20:32,330 --> 01:20:34,310
And when that didn't work,
1696
01:20:34,310 --> 01:20:36,110
they tried to muzzle me with a mask.
1697
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:39,913
I would thank you all
1698
01:20:39,913 --> 01:20:41,060
for allowing me to speak to you tonight,
1699
01:20:41,060 --> 01:20:44,030
but you try not to allow it, yet here I am.
1700
01:20:44,030 --> 01:20:46,790
Now you only give us 60 seconds, so let me get to the point.
1701
01:20:46,790 --> 01:20:48,740
You are all child abusers.
1702
01:20:48,740 --> 01:20:51,200
You prey upon impressionable children and indoctrinate them
1703
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:53,150
into your insane ideological cult.
1704
01:20:53,150 --> 01:20:55,430
A cult, which holds many fanatical views,
1705
01:20:55,430 --> 01:20:56,840
but none so deranged as the idea
1706
01:20:56,840 --> 01:20:59,210
that boys are girls and girls are boys.
1707
01:20:59,210 --> 01:21:01,310
By imposing this vial nonsense on students
1708
01:21:01,310 --> 01:21:03,200
to the point even of forcing young girls
1709
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:04,940
to share locker rooms with boys,
1710
01:21:04,940 --> 01:21:06,830
you deprive these kids of safety and privacy,
1711
01:21:06,830 --> 01:21:10,430
and something more fundamental too, which is truth.
1712
01:21:10,430 --> 01:21:13,760
If education is not grounded in truth than it is worthless.
1713
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:18,530
Worse, it is poison. You are poison. You are predators.
1714
01:21:18,530 --> 01:21:20,180
I can see why you tried to stop us from speaking,
1715
01:21:20,180 --> 01:21:22,640
you know that your ideas are indefensible.
1716
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:25,880
You silence the opposing side because you have no argument.
1717
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:27,950
You can only hide under your beds,
1718
01:21:27,950 --> 01:21:30,170
like pathetic little gutless cowards
1719
01:21:30,170 --> 01:21:32,293
hoping we shut up and go away. But we won't.
1720
01:21:34,220 --> 01:21:40,354
I promise you that. (dramatic music) (gentle brooding music)
1721
01:21:47,213 --> 01:21:50,873
(keys clicking) Johnny's a boy with a big imagination.
1722
01:21:52,940 --> 01:21:56,273
One day, he's a dog, the next day a crustation.
1723
01:21:59,570 --> 01:22:03,023
Johnny's mom loves her son's make-believe time.
1724
01:22:05,510 --> 01:22:08,273
You're Johnny the Walrus till you change your mind.
1725
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:12,980
- Matt Walsh is out with a new children's book.
1726
01:22:12,980 --> 01:22:16,610
The book is called "Johnny the Walrus". What is this about?
1727
01:22:16,610 --> 01:22:20,030
- It sold out on Amazon in a few hours.
1728
01:22:20,030 --> 01:22:21,740
- So I have embraced my true calling
1729
01:22:21,740 --> 01:22:23,833
as a, as a children's author. Hence the cardigan.
1730
01:22:23,833 --> 01:22:26,240
The book is about a little boy
1731
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:27,950
who's very imaginative and, and playful.
1732
01:22:27,950 --> 01:22:30,530
And like I have four kids and they all have an imagination.
1733
01:22:30,530 --> 01:22:32,690
- Yeah. - And he likes to pretend to be different things.
1734
01:22:32,690 --> 01:22:34,820
And one day he pretends to be a walrus.
1735
01:22:34,820 --> 01:22:36,170
And unfortunately, his mother
1736
01:22:36,170 --> 01:22:38,960
is, is very progressive and thus confused.
1737
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:41,720
And so she's convinced by the internet and by society
1738
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:45,320
that if your child is, is identifying as something,
1739
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:47,090
then he really is that thing.
1740
01:22:47,090 --> 01:22:50,690
And so she tries to raise her child as a walrus,
1741
01:22:50,690 --> 01:22:53,720
as a sort of trans walrus, respecting his self identity.
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One morning, he came downstairs barking and clapping,
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wood spoons for tusks, and sock fins of flapping.
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It spoons in his mouth.
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He's pretending to be a walrus. (group laughing)
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"I'm Johnny the Walrus," he said with a roar.
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- Johnny the Walrus. (speaking in foreign language)
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- [Phil] This is a hot topic. - [Addison] Yes.
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- [Phil] That's a good thing, right? - Yeah, absolutely.
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It's good for us to have these conversations,
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so people open their minds and relearn and unlearn
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to what we've been taught.
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- So I want this to be a safe place to talk about and learn.
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- As you can see, there's an ongoing evolution
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of language and how people can identify.
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- My next guest author and conservative host
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of Daily Wire's "The Matt Walsh Show"
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talking about his recently published children's book
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that has since been removed online
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by a popular large retail chain.
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Now Matt says, "Gender is not a social construct,
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but rooted firmly in biology." True? - True.
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As human beings we have a sex, male or female,
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that is a biological scientific fact.
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Now gender is a linguistic term.
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Words have gender, people don't.
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You can have whatever self-perception you want,
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but you can expect me to take part in that self-perception
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or to take part in this kind of charade,
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this theatrical production. You don't get your own pronouns,
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just like you don't get your own prepositions
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or your own, your own adjectives.
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You know, it's like, if I were to tell you,
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my adjectives are handsome and brilliant
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and no matter whatever you're talking about me,
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you have to describe me as handsome and brilliant
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because that's how I identify.
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- So you think it's a delusion?
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- Well, this is one of the problems
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with this left-wing gender ideology
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is that no one who espouses it
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can even tell you what these words mean.
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Like what is a woman? - Well. - Can you tell me
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what a woman is? - No, I can't.
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- Womanhood is something that is an umbrella term.
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It includes people who- - [Matt] That describes what?
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- People who identify as a woman. - What is that?
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- What's to each their own.
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Each woman, each man, each person
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is gonna have a different relation
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with their own gender identity and define it differently.
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- That, so that's the problem. - You wanna reduce women,
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you wanna reduce men down to maybe just their genetics,
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our genitals. - No. - Our chromosomes, right?
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That's what you're saying.
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- What you do is- - That's what we are-
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- What, you, what you want to do is appropriate women.
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You wanna appropriate womanhood. - Okay. - And turn it into
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basically a costume that could be worn.
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- Joining us on stage is Dr. Suzy D'Enbeau
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associate professor at Kent State University.
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Dr. D'Enbeau how do you feel those who oppose using pronouns
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are taking the wrong approach in this conversation?
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- There's the extreme approach
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that you are admittedly taking.
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Um, and then there's also just ordinary people
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that might not be comfortable with the language change.
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- She began by saying that my view is extreme.
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Okay, so the view that every single person on earth
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has held up until 15 seconds ago is extreme.
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They are conflating gender and sex because on one hand,
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they say, well, you got your biological sex,
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but then your gender is whatever social construct.
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But then they turn around
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and say that trans women are women.
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So a man who, who, who identifies
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with the, with the, the gender,
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the social construct of womanhood actually is a woman.
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- Part of me wants to ask why you care so much because-
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- Right. - It's really not that big of a deal.
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- Can I answer that? I care about the truth.
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So, so basic truth matters.
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I wanna live in a society where people-
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- Okay, fine. - Care about the truth.
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Um, I care about children and this, these insane ideas-
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- I do too. - About gender are being,
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are being foist on kids.
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Um, and that, that bothers me quite a bit.
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I care about the women
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who are having their opportunities stolen from them.
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I care quite a bit, yeah. - I wanted us to have a safe place
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to be able to talk about this.
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And it seems like we should just keep the dialogue going
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and, and hopefully find some middle ground.
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(slow tempo brooding music)
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(dramatic music)
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(gentle brooding music)
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- What do you say to parents?
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A parent comes to you and says,
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my eight-year-old son is telling me he's a girl.
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- Yeah, great.
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You're gonna have him do an experimental procedure
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that creates the most suicidal ideation
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of any other population
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seven to 10 years after, you know, transition.
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And here's what I tell parents,
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you don't have the right to medically transition your child.
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- We have no research on long-term hormone use.
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We will be seeing the first generation
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of long-term hormone use.
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And we already know, at least with 10 years of hormones
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you're giving yourself cancer.
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- [Matt] What's your message to parents
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who are trying to cope with this?
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- [Man] The first thing is to tell parents
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that they're not alone. It is our responsibility as a parent
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to be the frontline defense for our children.
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And, and I know with my child,
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a lot of people will say, was it worth it
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'cause you now seemingly have lost your child?
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And I'll say, yeah, but at least I've saved my conscience,
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and my morals, and my convictions.
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And when my child turns 25 and says,
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Dad, where were you? I'll say I was there.
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I was fighting as hard as I could.
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I was not prepared to let this happen.
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- Does this really matter is, is another question so?
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- Matters for those who are getting double mastectomies
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when they're 16. - Why should we care
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if we live in a society where gender is fluid?
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- Well, I cared because my government decided
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that I had to call people by the terms that they were,
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that they designated or I'd be subject to legal penalties.
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It's like, no, I'm not doing that.
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I don't care what your reason is.
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You don't get control of my tongue.
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- We live in a climate now in which no one seems to care
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about the safety of women and girls who are going through
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a very developmentally challenging time in their lives.
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They may not want to share spaces with their male peers.
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I would not be surprised in a few years,
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there will no longer be women's sports.
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It will literally be men's sports and transgender sports.
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- The question being asked by the trans person
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is, is a legitimate one, how can I be happy?
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The answer being given by having my body transformed
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to look like the other gender,
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by having myself pumped full of hormones,
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clearly isn't working, and we have to find a better
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and the more humane way of dealing with individuals
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who are struggling with gender dysphoria.
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- I have the utmost compassion
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for people who suffer from gender dysphoria.
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It's a nightmare for them and their families.
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The vast majority, up to 90% of kids
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if they go through a normal puberty, they're gonna be okay.
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They will be at peace with their bodies,
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and they will have avoided dangerous
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and experimental medical interventions and surgeries.
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- [Man] Maybe we're up against a battle here
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up against a hill that perhaps,
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you know, we're not gonna necessarily win today,
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but if we don't pave the way for a win,
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we'll never get there.
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- So we're going on this journey,
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boys can be girls, girls can be boys,
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men can be women, women can be men.
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It makes me wonder what, what is a woman? - What is a woman?
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A woman is someone who claims that is their identity.
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It could be many things to many people.
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- I think the question really brings up
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the, the fact that it is pretty relative, right?
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That if you ask women across race, across identities,
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across class, across culture,
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you will get a different answer.
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- Some of it is, you know, based on biology,
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some of it is based on hormones.
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Some of it, it is based on what you wear
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and, and how you present yourself.
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- A woman is not anything in particular.
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It's not, there's no one particular thing.
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- There is not one particular thing.
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- A woman is someone who says that she is a woman
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and transitions to be a woman. - Who says that she's what?
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Can you define the word woman without using the word woman?
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- I mean that's actually kind of like,
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it's a curious question, but I.
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- We've been journeying across the country
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asking people this question,
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and almost nobody can answer it.
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- What is a woman? - [Matt] What is a woman?
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- Marry one and find out.
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Mm-hmm. - So I should go home and ask my wife, I guess.
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- Yeah. (gentle music) (plane engine humming)
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(water splashing)
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- Hey, I've been meaning to ask you something.
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- Uh-huh.
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- What is a woman?
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- An adult human female who needs help opening this?
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(gentle upbeat music)
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(lid pops)
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(slow tempo gentle music) (Matt chuckles)
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(upbeat music)
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- Can you provide a definition for the word woman?
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- Can I provide a definition? - Mm-hmm, yeah.
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- I can't. - You can't?
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- Not in this- - Okay. - Context. - So you believe-
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- I'm not a biologist. - The meaning of the word
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woman is so unclear and controversial
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that you can't give me a definition.
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- Senator, in my work as a judge,
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what I do is I address disputes.
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If there's a dispute about a definition,
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people make arguments, and I look at the law-
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- All right. - And I decide. - Well- - So I'm not.
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- The fact that you can't give me a straight answer
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about something as fundamental as what a woman is
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underscores the dangers of the kind of progressive education
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that we are hearing about.
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Just last week, an entire generation of young girls
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watched as our taxpayer funded institutions,
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permitted a biological man
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to compete and beat a biological woman
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in the NCAA swimming championships.
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What message do you think this sends to girls
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who aspire to compete and win in sports
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at the highest levels?
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- Senator, I'm not sure what message that sends.
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If, if you're asking me
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about the legal issues related to it,
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those are topics that are being hotly discussed,
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as you say, and- - Right. - Could come to the court.
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