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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,458 This programme contains some strong language. 2 00:00:27,292 --> 00:00:29,333 A child is a thing to be loved. 3 00:00:30,958 --> 00:00:33,417 A child is the manifestations of both parents, 4 00:00:33,417 --> 00:00:36,167 and both parents see themselves in the child. 5 00:00:37,542 --> 00:00:39,625 The child is part of them. 6 00:00:39,625 --> 00:00:41,750 He is their flesh and blood. 7 00:00:41,750 --> 00:00:43,792 And for good many years, 8 00:00:43,792 --> 00:00:46,500 he is a reflection of their personality. 9 00:00:48,292 --> 00:00:52,375 So when he grows up, one day he's going to assert his own personality, 10 00:00:52,375 --> 00:00:55,042 which might very well differ from the personalities 11 00:00:55,042 --> 00:00:56,958 and outlooks of his parents. 12 00:00:56,958 --> 00:00:59,625 Immediately, his parents feel very upset. 13 00:00:59,625 --> 00:01:02,542 You know, they don't see themselves in him any more. 14 00:01:02,542 --> 00:01:05,083 And when these parents don't see themselves in him, 15 00:01:05,083 --> 00:01:07,167 they feel they've lost him. 16 00:01:07,167 --> 00:01:10,500 But really, he's become a human being in his own right. 17 00:01:14,292 --> 00:01:17,125 Brian's troubled relationship with his parents 18 00:01:17,125 --> 00:01:19,750 would affect him throughout his life. 19 00:01:19,750 --> 00:01:22,792 His parents disapproved of his lifestyle. 20 00:01:23,792 --> 00:01:27,333 They wanted Brian to have a proper job like his father. 21 00:01:30,417 --> 00:01:33,875 At the age of just 19, he formed the Rolling Stones. 22 00:01:35,583 --> 00:01:37,667 They were the first of their kind 23 00:01:37,667 --> 00:01:39,917 and drove people crazy with their long hair 24 00:01:39,917 --> 00:01:42,583 and their contempt for convention and authority. 25 00:01:43,833 --> 00:01:47,042 Let's introduce you Stone by Stone to the Rolling Stones. 26 00:01:47,042 --> 00:01:48,792 Hello, I'm Mick Jagger. 27 00:01:48,792 --> 00:01:51,125 Charlie Watts... Who? Charlie Watts. 28 00:01:51,125 --> 00:01:52,792 Brian Jones. 29 00:01:52,792 --> 00:01:55,167 Keith Richards. Bill Wyman. 30 00:01:55,167 --> 00:01:58,042 On the question of hair, boys, you're pretty long in the hair. 31 00:01:58,042 --> 00:02:00,125 What's the point of long hair these days? 32 00:02:00,125 --> 00:02:03,292 I believe it's going out in England and it's going out in Australia. 33 00:02:03,292 --> 00:02:07,917 We still like it. You thought of anything different, like plaiting your hair or anything like this? 34 00:02:07,917 --> 00:02:10,458 Ha-ha. Funny man. We've got a comedian here, I see. 35 00:02:10,458 --> 00:02:14,583 I believe some of the Eastern States groups have even suggested that you're effeminate. 36 00:02:14,583 --> 00:02:17,333 What have you got to say about this? Well, darling... 37 00:02:17,333 --> 00:02:19,208 Well, we're not, you know. 38 00:02:24,417 --> 00:02:27,958 I met Brian on a train as a schoolboy, aged 14. 39 00:02:27,958 --> 00:02:31,125 I was surprised how open and friendly he was, 40 00:02:31,125 --> 00:02:34,000 with a soft spoken middle class accent. 41 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,250 He said he was a train spotter and this was his favourite line - 42 00:02:37,250 --> 00:02:39,125 The Great Western. 43 00:02:39,125 --> 00:02:42,292 I remember the shock when hearing he had died tragically 44 00:02:42,292 --> 00:02:44,625 just six years later. 45 00:02:44,625 --> 00:02:48,167 He seemed at the time to have the world at his feet. 47 00:02:51,417 --> 00:02:53,500 Thank you very much. 48 00:02:54,833 --> 00:02:57,417 Everybody wants somebody 49 00:02:57,417 --> 00:02:59,958 Everybody wants somebody 50 00:02:59,958 --> 00:03:02,500 Everybody needs somebody 51 00:03:02,500 --> 00:03:04,125 Everybody... 52 00:03:04,125 --> 00:03:05,917 I loved Mick and Keith. 53 00:03:06,875 --> 00:03:09,500 And Mick always was in awe of Brian. 54 00:03:09,500 --> 00:03:13,500 He absolutely loved him and I think he wanted to be Brian. 55 00:03:13,500 --> 00:03:15,542 Everybody wants somebody 56 00:03:15,542 --> 00:03:19,000 Everybody needs somebody... 57 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,125 Cos he had all the girls and he had all the fan mail. 58 00:03:22,125 --> 00:03:23,833 Someone to love 59 00:03:23,833 --> 00:03:25,625 Someone to kiss... 60 00:03:25,625 --> 00:03:27,792 And Mick was trying really hard... 61 00:03:28,750 --> 00:03:31,250 ..to get girlfriends, I think, at that time. 62 00:03:31,250 --> 00:03:33,042 Someone to please 63 00:03:33,042 --> 00:03:34,833 Sometimes a squeeze... 64 00:03:36,083 --> 00:03:39,000 That was what I remember, that he was very impressed 65 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:43,292 with the way that Brian could just draw women to him. 66 00:03:43,292 --> 00:03:45,375 I need you, you, you... 67 00:03:45,375 --> 00:03:49,042 To Brian and Keith, it was like a brother relationship. 68 00:03:49,042 --> 00:03:52,500 I saw Keith so fascinated with the way Brian played 69 00:03:52,500 --> 00:03:56,208 and Brian showing him certain guitar things. 70 00:03:57,667 --> 00:03:59,625 I need you 71 00:03:59,625 --> 00:04:02,125 Yes, I do... 72 00:04:02,125 --> 00:04:04,458 And so they were very close. 73 00:04:04,458 --> 00:04:08,292 They were all rowing together in this musical journey. 74 00:04:08,292 --> 00:04:11,583 Ladies and gentlemen, it's all about to happen. 75 00:04:11,583 --> 00:04:14,542 Let's hear it for the fantastic Rolling Stones! 77 00:04:20,208 --> 00:04:21,792 I'm all right 78 00:04:21,792 --> 00:04:23,417 I'm all right 79 00:04:23,417 --> 00:04:25,167 I'm all right 80 00:04:26,375 --> 00:04:27,958 I'm all right 81 00:04:27,958 --> 00:04:29,750 I'm all right 82 00:04:29,750 --> 00:04:31,292 Whoa, whoa, who 83 00:04:31,292 --> 00:04:32,792 Come on down 84 00:04:32,792 --> 00:04:34,708 Come on down 85 00:04:34,708 --> 00:04:36,417 Come on down... 86 00:04:46,208 --> 00:04:49,083 Brian then, was as popular and famous as Mick. 87 00:04:49,083 --> 00:04:52,167 He was the heart and soul of the early Stones. 88 00:04:52,167 --> 00:04:55,375 Yet most people today haven't even heard of him. 89 00:05:00,833 --> 00:05:03,292 Brian answered most of the fan mail. 90 00:05:04,458 --> 00:05:07,083 "Dear Doreen, many thanks for your letter 91 00:05:07,083 --> 00:05:10,000 "and the great interest you've shown in the band. 92 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,042 "The band is really an amalgamation of two bands, 93 00:05:13,042 --> 00:05:16,417 "the one being an R&B band I formed the year ago 94 00:05:16,417 --> 00:05:21,042 "and the other being a group run by Mick and Keith in south east London. 95 00:05:21,042 --> 00:05:22,917 "We have, I might add, 96 00:05:22,917 --> 00:05:25,708 "a habit of breaking audience attendance records." 98 00:05:31,500 --> 00:05:34,792 In the early days, who got all the fan mail? 99 00:05:34,792 --> 00:05:36,458 Brian. 100 00:05:36,458 --> 00:05:39,750 The secretaries told me, "Well, we get about 100 letters. 101 00:05:39,750 --> 00:05:42,083 "About 60 of them are for Brian, 102 00:05:42,083 --> 00:05:46,250 "about 25 are for Mick, about ten for Charlie and Keith. 103 00:05:46,250 --> 00:05:49,625 "And there's about the same for you, you know, and that's it, you know? 104 00:05:49,625 --> 00:05:51,542 "But Brian gets all the fan mail." 105 00:05:52,833 --> 00:05:55,500 He was brilliant, a brilliant musician. 106 00:05:55,500 --> 00:05:58,625 He shocked everybody with the quality of his playing. 107 00:05:59,917 --> 00:06:02,625 We all dedicated ourselves to the band 108 00:06:02,625 --> 00:06:04,833 and Brian more so than anybody else, 109 00:06:04,833 --> 00:06:07,667 because it was his band in the beginning. 110 00:06:07,667 --> 00:06:11,750 So it meant the world to him more than it did to the rest of us. 111 00:06:13,292 --> 00:06:16,375 Brian did everything. He wrote in the music papers. 112 00:06:16,375 --> 00:06:18,708 He discussed things about the origins 113 00:06:18,708 --> 00:06:21,833 of what is actually the blues and what is R&B. 114 00:06:21,833 --> 00:06:25,083 There's all those letters and things. I've got copies of them. 115 00:06:26,958 --> 00:06:29,333 When Brian advertised for a band, 116 00:06:29,333 --> 00:06:33,083 he chose every single person to come into his band. 117 00:06:34,625 --> 00:06:36,667 Let's recap on the Rolling Stones. 118 00:06:36,667 --> 00:06:39,333 How did you all get together in the first place? 119 00:06:39,333 --> 00:06:42,125 Actually, I answered an advert for a bass player, so... 120 00:06:42,125 --> 00:06:46,875 But the rest of them got together individually in jazz clubs and formed a sort of a group. 121 00:06:46,875 --> 00:06:49,042 How long ago was that? Two years. 122 00:06:49,042 --> 00:06:53,083 And what were you doing when you answered the advertisement? Engineering, actually. 123 00:06:53,083 --> 00:06:55,000 And we'll move on now to Brian. 124 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,875 How long have you been with the Rolling Stones? Are you one of the original members? 125 00:06:58,875 --> 00:07:00,917 Yes, one of the original members. 126 00:07:00,917 --> 00:07:03,167 What were you doing before you joined? 127 00:07:03,167 --> 00:07:06,750 Well, just sort of bumming around, waiting for something to happen, really. 128 00:07:06,750 --> 00:07:10,000 I had quite a few jobs and I was trying to get a band going, 129 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,208 but it was unsuccessful until I met up with Mick and Keith 130 00:07:13,208 --> 00:07:15,375 and then that was a successful band. 131 00:07:15,375 --> 00:07:18,833 Well, can you think back to your first engagement? Where was that? 132 00:07:18,833 --> 00:07:20,375 Erm... 133 00:07:20,375 --> 00:07:22,417 Marquee, Oxford Street, London. 134 00:07:22,417 --> 00:07:25,167 And may I ask how much you got paid for that assignment? 135 00:07:25,167 --> 00:07:29,417 20 quid, which was good, because six months later, we were still working for 10 quid. 136 00:07:29,417 --> 00:07:31,292 It's all right 137 00:07:31,292 --> 00:07:33,125 It's all right, children 138 00:07:33,125 --> 00:07:35,042 It's all right 139 00:07:35,042 --> 00:07:36,958 It's all right, children 140 00:07:36,958 --> 00:07:38,667 It's all right 141 00:07:40,792 --> 00:07:42,708 Come on around, baby 142 00:07:42,708 --> 00:07:44,833 Come on around, baby 143 00:07:44,833 --> 00:07:46,750 Come on around, baby 144 00:07:46,750 --> 00:07:48,625 Come on around, baby 145 00:07:48,625 --> 00:07:51,375 Come on around, baby... 146 00:07:51,375 --> 00:07:53,500 Mick used to stand in front of us. 147 00:07:53,500 --> 00:07:55,500 Mick's got the maracas 148 00:07:55,500 --> 00:07:58,042 and the audience just joining in and all that. 149 00:08:04,125 --> 00:08:06,042 Do you feel it, baby 150 00:08:06,042 --> 00:08:07,792 Yeah, yeah, yeah 151 00:08:07,792 --> 00:08:09,583 Do you feel it now 152 00:08:09,583 --> 00:08:11,042 My, my, my... 153 00:08:11,042 --> 00:08:15,542 It just got right into your body and it was like a tribal gathering. 154 00:08:15,542 --> 00:08:17,667 All right, all right, all right 155 00:08:17,667 --> 00:08:19,875 All right, all right, all right 156 00:08:19,875 --> 00:08:22,042 All right, all right, all right 157 00:08:22,042 --> 00:08:24,667 All right, all right, all right 158 00:08:24,667 --> 00:08:26,875 All right, all right, all right. 160 00:08:34,917 --> 00:08:37,125 The blues were everything to Brian. 161 00:08:37,125 --> 00:08:40,708 He saw the Stones as promoting unknown black blues music. 162 00:08:40,708 --> 00:08:45,708 "Dear Doreen, you raised the point in your letter about blues material. 163 00:08:45,708 --> 00:08:48,875 "You must appreciate that blues are not easy to put over 164 00:08:48,875 --> 00:08:51,208 "to the average club audience. 165 00:08:51,208 --> 00:08:54,458 "They prefer something more in the twisting and jumping run. 166 00:08:56,250 --> 00:08:58,708 "Once again, thank you for your interest 167 00:08:58,708 --> 00:09:00,708 "in rhythm and blues and ourselves. 168 00:09:02,125 --> 00:09:04,958 "It's wonderful music and deserves more recognition. 169 00:09:04,958 --> 00:09:08,500 "Yours sincerely, Brian Jones for Rolling Stones." 170 00:09:09,500 --> 00:09:13,292 Mick and Keith moved into the flat that Brian had. 171 00:09:13,292 --> 00:09:17,875 And Brian and Keith slept in a double bed in the front room 172 00:09:17,875 --> 00:09:21,250 and Mick slept in a single bed in the middle room. 173 00:09:21,250 --> 00:09:24,500 And then there was a kitchen, which was a disaster. 174 00:09:24,500 --> 00:09:27,833 And it was a very severe winter that year, '62, 175 00:09:27,833 --> 00:09:31,583 and we used to give him shillings to put in the bloody meter 176 00:09:31,583 --> 00:09:34,042 for the one little electric fire. 177 00:09:34,042 --> 00:09:36,917 Brian used to say, "What's the point of getting out of bed 178 00:09:36,917 --> 00:09:40,833 "when it's so fucking cold? We might as well stay in bed!" 179 00:09:40,833 --> 00:09:43,500 So they used to get the guitars and stay in bed 180 00:09:43,500 --> 00:09:45,583 and play guitar in bed. 181 00:09:45,583 --> 00:09:48,167 Luckily, we had nothing else to do. 182 00:09:48,167 --> 00:09:52,500 And since we were down to thieving potatoes out of supermarkets anyway 183 00:09:52,500 --> 00:09:55,500 and selling beer bottles back to the off-licence, 184 00:09:55,500 --> 00:09:58,958 there was nothing else to do except push on, you know, and just... 185 00:09:58,958 --> 00:10:02,458 I mean, it had to get better, even if it didn't get fantastic. 186 00:10:02,458 --> 00:10:04,375 You know, it was difficult. 187 00:10:04,375 --> 00:10:07,292 But I mean, it was fun too, since we were determined 188 00:10:07,292 --> 00:10:10,167 that we were going to stick together and play. 189 00:10:10,167 --> 00:10:11,750 Despite everything, 190 00:10:11,750 --> 00:10:14,375 Brian was always tried to keep his parents' approval. 191 00:10:14,375 --> 00:10:17,792 "Dear Mum and Dad, many thanks for your letters 192 00:10:17,792 --> 00:10:21,125 "and a thousand apologies for not writing back before now. 193 00:10:21,125 --> 00:10:23,625 "Being leader and spokesman for the Stones 194 00:10:23,625 --> 00:10:25,958 "means I'm always busy and tied up. 195 00:10:25,958 --> 00:10:29,667 "If it's possible, I would like to see you next Monday or Tuesday. 196 00:10:29,667 --> 00:10:33,417 "But I warn you, my hair is pretty long, although not untidy." 197 00:10:36,042 --> 00:10:38,125 "Success seems to be on its way, 198 00:10:38,125 --> 00:10:41,125 "though none of us are too happy about 'Come On'." 199 00:10:46,333 --> 00:10:49,250 Everything is wrong since me and my baby parted 200 00:10:49,250 --> 00:10:52,167 All day long I'm walking cos I couldn't get my car started 201 00:10:52,167 --> 00:10:54,208 Laid off from my job and... 202 00:10:54,208 --> 00:10:56,542 "This record does not do justice to the group." 203 00:10:56,542 --> 00:10:59,958 Brian would invite his mother and father to the Stones concerts. 204 00:10:59,958 --> 00:11:01,792 But they never came. 205 00:11:03,083 --> 00:11:06,042 And Brian taught Keith to play with him. 206 00:11:06,042 --> 00:11:08,208 You know, all the linking notes. 207 00:11:08,208 --> 00:11:09,875 There they go. 208 00:11:09,875 --> 00:11:13,000 See, one's going up and the other one's coming down. 209 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,417 When one's coming down, he's going up. 210 00:11:18,708 --> 00:11:21,958 And it's so beautiful. It's so perfect what they're doing. 211 00:11:23,500 --> 00:11:27,792 We did a song called Mona, which is a Bo Diddley song. 212 00:11:27,792 --> 00:11:31,042 And you got... You'll have to excuse me, that's my bloody... 213 00:11:31,042 --> 00:11:33,958 It's switched itself off now, thank goodness. 214 00:11:36,125 --> 00:11:39,542 He learned to play along with the tremolo. 215 00:11:39,542 --> 00:11:42,542 You know, the - doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo. 216 00:11:42,542 --> 00:11:44,333 And in time. 217 00:11:44,333 --> 00:11:46,875 And so you'll hear it on Mona here. 218 00:11:51,625 --> 00:11:54,458 Doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo. 219 00:11:57,708 --> 00:11:59,042 See? 220 00:11:59,042 --> 00:12:00,875 No-one was doing that then. 221 00:12:02,583 --> 00:12:05,083 Doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo. 222 00:12:08,875 --> 00:12:10,750 He was a fucker, you know. 223 00:12:10,750 --> 00:12:13,292 He would be really horrible sometimes. 224 00:12:13,292 --> 00:12:16,833 He had one side of him, which I have to say was really, 225 00:12:16,833 --> 00:12:21,417 I wouldn't say evil, but he was really cruel sometimes. 226 00:12:23,875 --> 00:12:26,583 There's photos of us being photographed 227 00:12:26,583 --> 00:12:30,208 and Brian's over the top of me dropping cigarette ash on my head. 228 00:12:32,167 --> 00:12:34,417 But he used to do things like that. 229 00:12:34,417 --> 00:12:37,208 And not only to me, but to everybody. 230 00:12:37,208 --> 00:12:41,042 He always had to prove himself. He was embarrassed about his size. 231 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,125 And if he didn't get his way, 232 00:12:44,125 --> 00:12:46,708 he kind of used to get very aggressive 233 00:12:46,708 --> 00:12:50,250 and then he'd be all apologetic and, "Sorry, man, I didn't mean it." 234 00:12:50,250 --> 00:12:53,500 He'd stubbed that cigarette out on the back of your hand in the car... 235 00:12:54,833 --> 00:12:59,333 ..and you'd always forgive him because he was such a nice, sweet guy. 236 00:13:00,750 --> 00:13:04,167 Brian had immense opposition from his father. 237 00:13:05,417 --> 00:13:08,750 His dad didn't like him trying to be a musician. 238 00:13:08,750 --> 00:13:12,958 They just thought, get a proper job. You know, the same old thing. 239 00:13:14,167 --> 00:13:16,083 Up to a certain point, 240 00:13:16,083 --> 00:13:19,125 Brian was a perfectly normal, conventional boy, 241 00:13:19,125 --> 00:13:23,500 who was well behaved and was well liked. 242 00:13:23,500 --> 00:13:26,625 Liked, I suppose, because he was well behaved. 243 00:13:26,625 --> 00:13:32,000 He did his studies and he was quite a model schoolboy. 244 00:13:33,333 --> 00:13:37,250 And then there came this peculiar change in his early teens, 245 00:13:37,250 --> 00:13:41,083 at the time, I suppose, he began to become a man, 246 00:13:41,083 --> 00:13:45,792 where he began to get some resentment of authority. 247 00:13:46,958 --> 00:13:49,875 It was a rebellion against parental authority 248 00:13:49,875 --> 00:13:53,583 and it was certainly a rebellion against the school authority. 249 00:13:53,583 --> 00:13:59,042 He often used to say, why should he do something he was told 250 00:13:59,042 --> 00:14:02,083 just because the person who was telling him was older? 251 00:14:03,833 --> 00:14:07,000 From being an A grade student, Brian rebelled. 252 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,667 He failed in his studies and put all his energy into music 253 00:14:10,667 --> 00:14:12,667 and picking up girls. 254 00:14:12,667 --> 00:14:15,583 He played occasionally clarinet in the school orchestra, 255 00:14:15,583 --> 00:14:19,250 but Brian was not really interested in anything else at the school. 256 00:14:19,250 --> 00:14:22,542 Not in athletics. Not in any sports. 257 00:14:25,708 --> 00:14:27,542 Not in the cadet force, 258 00:14:27,542 --> 00:14:30,125 not in debating societies or anything like that. 259 00:14:32,500 --> 00:14:36,208 He kept himself to himself quite a bit at school, I would say. 260 00:14:40,750 --> 00:14:43,292 In the beginning of the '60s, it was one society, 261 00:14:43,292 --> 00:14:47,625 just this mono culture, and it was our generation who went beyond that. 262 00:14:49,167 --> 00:14:52,667 It's a level of sort of middle class tightness, 263 00:14:52,667 --> 00:14:55,500 which you don't possibly see so much any more. 264 00:14:56,500 --> 00:14:59,250 He had a pretty bad relationship with his parents, 265 00:14:59,250 --> 00:15:03,042 who were very respectable, very straight, very posh. 266 00:15:03,042 --> 00:15:05,958 But he used to say he just couldn't stand it. 267 00:15:08,083 --> 00:15:12,125 The problem with Brian was that he came from a very, very bourgeois family... 268 00:15:13,875 --> 00:15:16,542 ..who saw themselves as better than the neighbours 269 00:15:16,542 --> 00:15:18,875 and better than this and better than that. 270 00:15:48,667 --> 00:15:54,375 All the time, his fanaticism for jazz music was coming to the fore. 271 00:15:54,375 --> 00:15:58,333 It was a great disappointment to us and a source of considerable anxiety 272 00:15:58,333 --> 00:16:03,708 when he became so wrapped up in his love of jazz music 273 00:16:03,708 --> 00:16:07,500 that in spite of everything we could do or say, 274 00:16:07,500 --> 00:16:09,875 he went off and did it. 275 00:16:09,875 --> 00:16:12,500 Wop-bop-a-loo-mop alop-bom-bom 276 00:16:12,500 --> 00:16:14,583 Tutti frutti, oh rutti 277 00:16:14,583 --> 00:16:17,208 Tutti frutti, woo 278 00:16:17,208 --> 00:16:19,625 Tutti frutti, oh rutti 279 00:16:19,625 --> 00:16:22,375 Tutti frutti, oh rutti 280 00:16:22,375 --> 00:16:24,917 Tutti frutti, oh rutti 281 00:16:24,917 --> 00:16:27,000 Awop-bop-a-loo-mop alop-bom-bom... 282 00:16:44,417 --> 00:16:46,625 Tutti frutti, oh rutti 283 00:16:46,625 --> 00:16:49,208 Tutti frutti, woo 284 00:16:49,208 --> 00:16:51,750 Tutti frutti, oh rutti 285 00:16:51,750 --> 00:16:54,417 Tutti frutti, oh rutti 286 00:16:54,417 --> 00:16:56,500 Tutti frutti, oh rutti... 287 00:16:56,500 --> 00:16:59,375 Frustrated by his parents' disapproval, 288 00:16:59,375 --> 00:17:03,958 Brian adopted Val's family and spent all his time playing blues music. 289 00:17:03,958 --> 00:17:06,542 Val Corbett, yes, I knew her very well. 290 00:17:10,625 --> 00:17:14,333 She was rather stylish and I thought she was rather nice. 291 00:17:15,708 --> 00:17:17,958 Brian was quite besotted with her 292 00:17:17,958 --> 00:17:20,792 and she, of course, was besotted with him. 293 00:17:20,792 --> 00:17:23,792 They were obviously made for each other. 294 00:17:28,458 --> 00:17:31,667 The next thing we heard was that Val was pregnant 295 00:17:31,667 --> 00:17:34,958 and she at first was terribly pleased 296 00:17:34,958 --> 00:17:38,083 because she and Brian were going to leave Cheltenham, 297 00:17:38,083 --> 00:17:41,083 go and live in London and get a place together. 298 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,792 And suddenly it dawned on her that wasn't going to happen. 299 00:18:18,125 --> 00:18:23,417 On December the 22nd, 1960, Brian, aged 17, was kicked out of his home. 300 00:18:23,417 --> 00:18:26,125 His father would later refer to this as 301 00:18:26,125 --> 00:18:28,500 "my most drastic of all actions, 302 00:18:28,500 --> 00:18:31,583 "which I shall never forget or cease to worry over." 303 00:18:54,333 --> 00:18:56,375 Brian, now rejected by his parents, 304 00:18:56,375 --> 00:18:58,875 moved in with Pat and her sister, Betty, 305 00:18:58,875 --> 00:19:01,708 and was looked after by their parents. 306 00:19:01,708 --> 00:19:04,292 This became a pattern of Brian's behaviour - 307 00:19:04,292 --> 00:19:08,083 adopting other families, getting the daughters pregnant and then leaving. 308 00:19:08,083 --> 00:19:11,125 This would happen at least five times. 309 00:19:11,125 --> 00:19:13,250 Do you feel bitter at all? 310 00:19:14,542 --> 00:19:16,500 I'm not actually bitter. 311 00:19:16,500 --> 00:19:18,583 I feel quite sorry for Brian in a way, 312 00:19:18,583 --> 00:19:20,583 because the kind of person he is, 313 00:19:20,583 --> 00:19:23,833 you can never be happy, could never have true friends. 314 00:19:23,833 --> 00:19:28,375 The only friends he has probably like him because of what he is. 315 00:19:28,375 --> 00:19:32,333 I think if he was turned out on to the streets, nobody would want to know Brian. 316 00:19:32,333 --> 00:19:35,500 He's not the kind of person that you take to 317 00:19:35,500 --> 00:19:37,458 because he's so cynical. 318 00:19:37,458 --> 00:19:39,458 He's got no feelings for anybody. 319 00:19:39,458 --> 00:19:42,042 He just uses people for his own good. 320 00:19:42,042 --> 00:19:44,708 And when he's finished, he throws them aside. 321 00:19:44,708 --> 00:19:46,708 So I just feel sorry for him. 322 00:19:48,500 --> 00:19:51,417 Brian's own life mirrored the rebellious spirit of the Stones 323 00:19:51,417 --> 00:19:53,542 more than any other member. 324 00:19:53,542 --> 00:19:55,583 Expelled from two schools. 325 00:19:55,583 --> 00:19:57,542 Thrown out of his home. 326 00:19:57,542 --> 00:19:59,667 A reckless personal life. 327 00:19:59,667 --> 00:20:01,958 The blues was Brian's salvation. 328 00:20:20,875 --> 00:20:23,000 Oh, a child's coming 329 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,458 He's going to be, going to be a rollin' stone 330 00:20:26,458 --> 00:20:29,583 He's going to be a rollin' stone... 331 00:20:41,500 --> 00:20:43,583 Well, I feel 332 00:20:43,583 --> 00:20:45,792 Yes, I feel. 334 00:21:10,042 --> 00:21:11,833 Tell us something about him, Brian. 335 00:21:11,833 --> 00:21:13,458 When we started playing together, 336 00:21:13,458 --> 00:21:16,292 we started playing because we wanted to play rhythm and blues. 337 00:21:16,292 --> 00:21:18,667 And Howlin' Wolf was one of our greatest idols. 338 00:21:18,667 --> 00:21:22,792 And it's a great pleasure to finally be booked on this show tonight... Thanks to Howlin' Wolf. 339 00:21:22,792 --> 00:21:26,208 So I think it's about time you shut up and we had Howlin' Wolf onstage. 340 00:21:26,208 --> 00:21:28,708 I agree! Let's get him on. Howlin' Wolf! 341 00:21:28,708 --> 00:21:30,833 It was a huge deal for those guys 342 00:21:30,833 --> 00:21:33,708 because they'd just never really been on TV. 343 00:21:33,708 --> 00:21:36,917 To be there are peak time in America, 344 00:21:36,917 --> 00:21:39,458 that was an incredibly big deal. 345 00:21:41,500 --> 00:21:44,375 How many more years 346 00:21:45,500 --> 00:21:48,417 Have I got to let you dog me around? 347 00:21:50,792 --> 00:21:53,500 How many more years 348 00:21:55,167 --> 00:21:58,208 Have I got to let you dog me around? 349 00:21:59,167 --> 00:22:02,250 It's an incredible moment and there are still people 350 00:22:02,250 --> 00:22:06,542 who put it as one of the greatest TV moments of the 1960s. 351 00:22:14,875 --> 00:22:17,458 There's a great period in the first couple of years 352 00:22:17,458 --> 00:22:19,792 where he seemed to have real insight. 353 00:22:19,792 --> 00:22:22,167 And I'm talking about 1961, 1962. 354 00:22:22,167 --> 00:22:24,500 I'll try to show it if you're driving me back 355 00:22:26,333 --> 00:22:28,500 Your love for me has got to be real 356 00:22:30,125 --> 00:22:32,208 For you to know just how I feel 357 00:22:33,708 --> 00:22:35,958 Love for real and not fade away... 358 00:22:37,917 --> 00:22:42,750 So you worked out both the keys of open tunings of blues, 359 00:22:42,750 --> 00:22:45,375 which is D slash E, which is open D or E, 360 00:22:45,375 --> 00:22:48,167 which is Elmore James, and he was open G, 361 00:22:48,167 --> 00:22:50,875 which is Muddy Waters and Robert Johnson. 362 00:22:58,625 --> 00:23:01,042 I'm going to tell you how it's going to be 363 00:23:02,750 --> 00:23:05,208 You're going to give your love to me 364 00:23:06,458 --> 00:23:08,583 Love to last more than one day... 365 00:23:08,583 --> 00:23:11,125 So what did we do for the fifth single? 366 00:23:11,125 --> 00:23:14,667 We wanted to do a blues and everybody said, 367 00:23:14,667 --> 00:23:18,417 "Don't do it because you'll destroy your career. 368 00:23:18,417 --> 00:23:22,750 "No-one's ever done a blues record for a single in England." 369 00:23:22,750 --> 00:23:24,708 You know, it's the worst thing. 370 00:23:24,708 --> 00:23:28,708 Like they said to Ray Charles, "Don't do a country album because it will destroy you." 371 00:23:28,708 --> 00:23:31,083 And it was the greatest thing he ever did. 372 00:23:31,083 --> 00:23:33,292 Well, when we did Little Red Rooster... 373 00:23:34,292 --> 00:23:37,042 ..they said, you know, "You're going to kill yourself." 374 00:23:37,042 --> 00:23:40,458 It came out on the Friday and on the Monday it was number one. 375 00:23:40,458 --> 00:23:41,958 And Brian... 376 00:23:43,333 --> 00:23:45,958 ..controlled the whole band. I'll start again. 377 00:23:49,542 --> 00:23:51,458 That's Brian with a slide. 378 00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:57,667 See, he's doing it. 379 00:23:57,667 --> 00:24:00,125 I am the little red rooster... 380 00:24:00,125 --> 00:24:02,417 What is anybody else doing? 381 00:24:06,500 --> 00:24:08,708 See, he's making the song. 382 00:24:10,167 --> 00:24:13,792 Everybody wants somebody 383 00:24:13,792 --> 00:24:18,375 Everybody needs somebody 384 00:24:18,375 --> 00:24:20,917 To love... 385 00:24:20,917 --> 00:24:22,958 So we were completely unique. 386 00:24:24,292 --> 00:24:26,000 Someone to kiss 387 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,458 Oh, yeah 388 00:24:27,458 --> 00:24:29,250 Sometimes a miss 389 00:24:29,250 --> 00:24:31,167 Someone to please 390 00:24:32,417 --> 00:24:34,125 And sometimes a squeeze 391 00:24:35,500 --> 00:24:37,667 I need you, you, you 392 00:24:37,667 --> 00:24:40,458 I need you, you, you 393 00:24:40,458 --> 00:24:42,292 I need you... 394 00:24:42,292 --> 00:24:44,833 Bo Diddley couldn't believe how good we were. 395 00:24:44,833 --> 00:24:46,625 You, you, you 396 00:24:47,583 --> 00:24:49,792 Sometimes I feel like 397 00:24:49,792 --> 00:24:52,208 I get a little sad inside 398 00:24:52,208 --> 00:24:54,500 When my baby mistreats me 399 00:24:54,500 --> 00:24:57,042 I kind of get a little bit mad 400 00:24:57,042 --> 00:24:58,833 I need you... 401 00:24:58,833 --> 00:25:01,917 Rolling Stones! Rolling Stones! Rolling Stones! 402 00:25:15,458 --> 00:25:18,917 Oh, Carol, don't let him steal your heart away 403 00:25:20,792 --> 00:25:24,333 I'm going to learn to dance if it takes me all night and day 404 00:25:26,875 --> 00:25:29,958 Climb into my machine so we can groove on out 405 00:25:32,167 --> 00:25:35,500 I know some swinging little joint where we can jump and shout 406 00:25:37,375 --> 00:25:39,292 It's not too far back... 407 00:25:39,292 --> 00:25:41,875 There was rioting whenever the Stones played. 408 00:25:41,875 --> 00:25:44,833 It was an outpouring of emotion against the authorities 409 00:25:44,833 --> 00:25:47,792 and the traditional ways of doing things. 410 00:25:49,583 --> 00:25:52,583 A little cutie takes your hat and you can thank her ma'am... 411 00:25:52,583 --> 00:25:55,458 The way the Stones looked and dressed, 412 00:25:55,458 --> 00:25:58,708 their hair and sexuality, was a whole new feeling. 413 00:26:01,500 --> 00:26:05,500 Everyone fancied both Brian and Mick, both male and female. 414 00:26:05,500 --> 00:26:08,792 They had this extraordinary androgynous quality. 415 00:26:08,792 --> 00:26:11,833 I'm going to learn to dance if it takes me all night and day... 417 00:26:48,958 --> 00:26:53,958 Brian met Linda Lawrence in 1962 and was adopted into her family. 418 00:26:53,958 --> 00:26:55,792 I only saw him. 419 00:26:56,750 --> 00:26:58,500 Yeah, and heard him. 420 00:26:58,500 --> 00:27:00,500 The sound was what I was connecting to 421 00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:03,417 and it was the harmonica and the slide guitar. 422 00:27:05,208 --> 00:27:08,458 The first time I'd ever heard that kind of music 423 00:27:08,458 --> 00:27:11,125 or felt that kind of feeling, it was just... 424 00:27:11,125 --> 00:27:12,750 Just amazing. 425 00:27:13,958 --> 00:27:18,333 Yeah, a whole feeling came over me that I'd never felt before. 426 00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:22,792 My days are pretty rough 427 00:27:22,792 --> 00:27:26,500 I want you to come back, come back, come back... 428 00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:28,375 It was instant. 429 00:27:28,375 --> 00:27:30,542 Like, if you can call it love. 430 00:27:30,542 --> 00:27:34,833 At the time, I wouldn't have known what that was, but now I do. 431 00:27:37,125 --> 00:27:39,500 There was a point that came where he said, 432 00:27:39,500 --> 00:27:43,542 "Can I come stay with you in Windsor with your parents?" 433 00:27:43,542 --> 00:27:45,750 And I said, "Yeah." 434 00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:48,000 Yeah, my parents loved him. 435 00:27:51,792 --> 00:27:54,708 Somebody stop this pain in my heart 436 00:27:58,042 --> 00:28:01,583 My, my, my, my, my, my 437 00:28:01,583 --> 00:28:03,625 Don't you know, one day 438 00:28:05,292 --> 00:28:07,458 My days are pretty rough 439 00:28:07,458 --> 00:28:09,250 Won't you love me? 440 00:28:09,250 --> 00:28:10,750 Love me. 441 00:28:20,583 --> 00:28:23,083 Most of the time it was all about music 442 00:28:23,083 --> 00:28:25,708 and what records he's going to get. 443 00:28:25,708 --> 00:28:29,125 And how he was going to play this and, you know... 444 00:28:29,125 --> 00:28:33,583 And I would often put the records on over and over again 445 00:28:33,583 --> 00:28:36,375 so that he could get the riffs and things. 446 00:28:36,375 --> 00:28:40,583 Put it back on and have a listen and get the sound. 447 00:28:48,833 --> 00:28:51,292 Seeing them get more and more popular 448 00:28:51,292 --> 00:28:54,333 and more and more people coming to see them, 449 00:28:54,333 --> 00:28:56,458 it was very exciting. 451 00:29:15,083 --> 00:29:18,208 And we got very, very much in love. 452 00:30:00,333 --> 00:30:03,417 He was loved by so many people. I didn't mind that. 453 00:30:03,417 --> 00:30:06,083 I knew he loved me, so I didn't care. 454 00:30:06,083 --> 00:30:08,042 And I knew we were young. 455 00:30:08,042 --> 00:30:09,917 I just knew he loved me. 456 00:30:09,917 --> 00:30:11,333 And I... 457 00:30:11,333 --> 00:30:13,500 I felt like it's OK. 458 00:30:13,500 --> 00:30:15,875 You know, he'll be back. 459 00:30:53,917 --> 00:30:55,667 Brian's rivalry with Mick 460 00:30:55,667 --> 00:30:58,000 for leadership of the Stones was growing. 461 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,000 Mick was the natural frontman 462 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,875 and Brian's insecurity played into this. 463 00:31:02,875 --> 00:31:05,875 A visible friction grew up between them. 464 00:31:05,875 --> 00:31:08,458 It began to dominate Brian's thinking. 465 00:31:27,208 --> 00:31:30,792 Brian sent me to a modelling course for a little while in London 466 00:31:30,792 --> 00:31:34,167 and I had taken the hairdressing course. 467 00:31:34,167 --> 00:31:37,250 So I was really into hair and I was saying, 468 00:31:37,250 --> 00:31:40,250 "Just grow your hair, don't cut it", you know. 469 00:31:40,250 --> 00:31:44,500 And then when it did get quite long, I would trim it, 470 00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:47,875 but not cut it, and make that shape. 471 00:31:47,875 --> 00:31:49,958 He was like a gentleman. 472 00:31:49,958 --> 00:31:52,542 He was all dressed in his white shirt and his jacket 473 00:31:52,542 --> 00:31:54,667 and he was open doors. 474 00:31:54,667 --> 00:31:59,208 It was that kind of... Very gentlemanly and gentle spoken. 475 00:32:00,500 --> 00:32:03,083 He had a family, obviously. 476 00:32:03,083 --> 00:32:06,042 And after a while, we drove down. 477 00:32:06,042 --> 00:32:08,625 He wanted me to meet his parents. 478 00:32:09,875 --> 00:32:13,292 And I know he didn't take many people down to meet his parents, 479 00:32:13,292 --> 00:32:15,500 so I knew it was something special. 480 00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:19,458 Did you feel that Brian cared a lot what his parents thought? 481 00:32:19,458 --> 00:32:21,167 Oh, very much. 482 00:32:21,167 --> 00:32:23,917 That was the whole thing, that he really did want them 483 00:32:23,917 --> 00:32:27,583 to like what he was doing and, you know, be proud of him. 484 00:32:27,583 --> 00:32:31,000 That was the whole point, I think, of us going there. 485 00:32:32,625 --> 00:32:35,208 They wanted him to have a different career. 486 00:32:35,208 --> 00:32:40,792 Something more like what his father had been doing - a good paying job. 487 00:32:40,792 --> 00:32:45,208 But Brian kind of saw that and he kind of rebelled 488 00:32:45,208 --> 00:32:47,458 and stepped out of it. 489 00:32:52,375 --> 00:32:55,125 I warned you baby from time to time 490 00:32:55,125 --> 00:32:57,583 You don't listen so pay me no mind 491 00:32:57,583 --> 00:32:59,500 About moving on 492 00:32:59,500 --> 00:33:01,500 Yeah, I'm moving on... 493 00:33:03,250 --> 00:33:05,125 We became the love generation 494 00:33:05,125 --> 00:33:07,292 and the music was going to be the opening. 495 00:33:08,250 --> 00:33:10,583 Mister Engineer with your throttle in hand 496 00:33:10,583 --> 00:33:13,083 Take me back to that Southern land 497 00:33:13,083 --> 00:33:14,792 It's called moving 498 00:33:14,792 --> 00:33:17,208 Keep a rolling on 499 00:33:18,417 --> 00:33:20,250 You're flying too high 500 00:33:20,250 --> 00:33:22,292 For my old sky I'll move on. 501 00:34:27,583 --> 00:34:31,042 Dawn Molloy was the mother of Brian's fifth child. 502 00:34:31,042 --> 00:34:33,042 I was 18. 503 00:34:33,042 --> 00:34:36,125 I don't think I'd ever been in love before. 504 00:34:36,125 --> 00:34:38,833 Every time I saw him, my heart skipped a beat. 505 00:34:38,833 --> 00:34:40,833 And every time we saw me, he... 506 00:34:40,833 --> 00:34:43,708 It was obvious that he wanted me. 507 00:34:45,667 --> 00:34:48,458 Being a Catholic, I was very... 508 00:34:49,417 --> 00:34:50,792 ..inhibited. 509 00:34:50,792 --> 00:34:53,042 He kind of got that out of me. 510 00:34:53,042 --> 00:34:56,792 Not to be ashamed of my body and what I could do. 511 00:34:58,542 --> 00:35:01,375 He was very, very sexy. 512 00:35:03,458 --> 00:35:07,208 Yeah, the way he made love, he just was insatiable. 513 00:35:07,208 --> 00:35:09,167 He made me feel... 514 00:35:10,292 --> 00:35:11,667 ..amazing. 515 00:35:11,667 --> 00:35:13,458 He just made me feel... 516 00:35:14,417 --> 00:35:16,208 ..loved and special. 517 00:35:17,375 --> 00:35:19,917 He was an amazing teacher 518 00:35:19,917 --> 00:35:22,958 of how you should make love to a woman. 519 00:35:25,875 --> 00:35:28,625 My parents, they had such a thing against... 520 00:35:29,583 --> 00:35:32,125 ..long-haired pop stars. 521 00:35:33,083 --> 00:35:35,042 "Oh, this music's no good." 522 00:35:35,042 --> 00:35:38,208 You know how it is. They didn't want any of it. 523 00:35:39,667 --> 00:35:42,333 I never dreamed he'd come to our apartment. 524 00:35:42,333 --> 00:35:44,500 There he was, on the doorstep. 525 00:35:44,500 --> 00:35:46,625 "Good evening, Mrs Malloy." 526 00:35:46,625 --> 00:35:48,500 And kissed her hand. 527 00:35:48,500 --> 00:35:50,333 I mean, who does that? 528 00:35:50,333 --> 00:35:51,750 It's just... 529 00:35:53,292 --> 00:35:54,958 He had suave. 530 00:35:56,333 --> 00:35:58,417 They liked him in the end. 531 00:35:58,417 --> 00:36:02,208 Then my mum said, "Well, why don't you go down to your bedroom? 532 00:36:02,208 --> 00:36:04,375 "Show Brian your bedroom." 533 00:36:05,917 --> 00:36:08,833 I'm going to tell you how it's going to be... 534 00:36:08,833 --> 00:36:11,333 And then he turned around and asked my parents 535 00:36:11,333 --> 00:36:13,333 if he could take me on tour. 536 00:36:13,333 --> 00:36:15,833 There's no way my dad is going to let me go. 537 00:36:15,833 --> 00:36:17,542 But my dad said, 538 00:36:17,542 --> 00:36:21,458 "Well, you know, as long as you're in a different room 539 00:36:21,458 --> 00:36:24,125 "and you take care of her, it's OK." 540 00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:35,917 The security wasn't around, 541 00:36:35,917 --> 00:36:40,083 so you could just walk into a hotel and the girls were everywhere. 542 00:36:40,083 --> 00:36:43,417 We went to our room and there's this girl there 543 00:36:43,417 --> 00:36:46,708 and she's just sitting on the bed stark naked. 544 00:36:46,708 --> 00:36:49,875 And then we went into the bathroom and there's another one. 545 00:36:49,875 --> 00:36:53,167 And they're willing to give everything to them. 546 00:36:54,833 --> 00:36:57,750 The police had no idea what hit them. 547 00:36:57,750 --> 00:37:00,458 They were completely taken by surprise. 548 00:37:00,458 --> 00:37:02,500 And it was terrifying. 549 00:37:08,875 --> 00:37:10,708 I could see all their feet, 550 00:37:10,708 --> 00:37:13,167 trampling on people in stiletto heels, 551 00:37:13,167 --> 00:37:15,125 going for his arms and stuff. 552 00:37:15,125 --> 00:37:17,292 I thought I was going to die. 553 00:37:17,292 --> 00:37:21,375 It was like being in a tube train and you can't move. 554 00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:24,292 I think Mick lost some hair. 555 00:37:24,292 --> 00:37:27,500 They pulled... Literally pulled hair out of his head. 556 00:37:27,500 --> 00:37:32,125 And I started to fall back and I fell back and Mick caught me. 557 00:37:33,125 --> 00:37:36,292 Brian was looking for me, so he came around the corner 558 00:37:36,292 --> 00:37:38,625 and saw me in the arms of Mick. 559 00:37:38,625 --> 00:37:40,125 And then... 560 00:37:41,083 --> 00:37:42,708 ..Brian lost it. 561 00:37:42,708 --> 00:37:46,542 "Keep your hands off my fucking girl! You're not having all my girlfriends!" 562 00:37:46,542 --> 00:37:48,250 And all that kind of stuff. 563 00:37:48,250 --> 00:37:51,458 Mick said, "Hey, I'm just holding her, you know. She just fell. 564 00:37:51,458 --> 00:37:53,333 "Don't be a dick", you know? 565 00:37:53,333 --> 00:37:56,417 And then Bill said, "Yeah, sometimes you get like that. 566 00:37:56,417 --> 00:37:58,833 "You just have to leave him, he'll be fine." 567 00:38:00,458 --> 00:38:02,625 Everybody went through their... 568 00:38:03,583 --> 00:38:05,500 ..star trip, you know. 569 00:38:05,500 --> 00:38:11,250 And I think Brian was the only one that it changed 570 00:38:11,250 --> 00:38:15,500 in a really deep way and probably not for the better. 571 00:38:15,500 --> 00:38:18,417 It was very difficult for him, you know, 572 00:38:18,417 --> 00:38:22,458 and not made any easier probably by the rest of us, you know, 573 00:38:22,458 --> 00:38:26,167 because nobody had the time to look after somebody else. 574 00:38:26,167 --> 00:38:31,875 If one of them isn't quite strong enough to deal with that situation 575 00:38:31,875 --> 00:38:34,708 there's very little you can do to help him. 576 00:38:37,458 --> 00:38:40,750 They were all a little wary, I think, of Brian 577 00:38:40,750 --> 00:38:42,833 because he could be kind of moody. 578 00:38:42,833 --> 00:38:45,125 But I think they put that on him 579 00:38:45,125 --> 00:38:47,542 because he was supposed to be the leader 580 00:38:47,542 --> 00:38:49,875 and he was no longer the leader. 581 00:38:58,167 --> 00:39:02,250 Mick ruled the roost as far as what they were going to play 582 00:39:02,250 --> 00:39:06,250 and the fact that he could write music and Brian couldn't. 583 00:39:06,250 --> 00:39:09,542 I think there may have been a little jealousy there. 584 00:39:09,542 --> 00:39:12,833 The fact that Mick and Keith were so close. 585 00:39:13,792 --> 00:39:15,750 Yeah, yeah, yeah 586 00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:17,542 I feel all right 587 00:39:17,542 --> 00:39:19,458 I feel all right, children... 588 00:39:21,417 --> 00:39:24,500 I think they were a little bit lost until Andrew came along. 589 00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:26,708 And then Andrew kind of laid down the law 590 00:39:26,708 --> 00:39:29,667 and said what he wanted to do, which was all very well. 591 00:39:29,667 --> 00:39:33,417 And I thought that was a good idea to have a manager, 592 00:39:33,417 --> 00:39:35,542 but I don't think Brian realised 593 00:39:35,542 --> 00:39:38,750 that he would be handing everything over to him. 594 00:39:46,667 --> 00:39:49,917 They had two different ideas of what they wanted to do. 595 00:39:49,917 --> 00:39:55,000 Brian loved Howlin' Wolf and he wanted to stay as a blues group. 596 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,375 Andrew wanted them to be pop. 597 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,083 Little Red Rooster by The Rolling Stones 598 00:40:21,292 --> 00:40:25,792 And I think Andrew and Brian just didn't hit it off. 599 00:40:25,792 --> 00:40:29,000 And I think they just got into loggerheads. 600 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,500 Pop sold. 601 00:40:30,500 --> 00:40:33,958 And obviously Andrew wanted to make money. 602 00:40:33,958 --> 00:40:35,500 Thank you. 603 00:40:35,500 --> 00:40:37,167 "Dear Melinda, 604 00:40:37,167 --> 00:40:39,083 "Mick is the head of the group. 605 00:40:39,083 --> 00:40:41,625 "At one time I was, but Mick took over. 606 00:40:41,625 --> 00:40:44,292 "Don't ask me why. We just thought it would be better, 607 00:40:44,292 --> 00:40:45,958 "as he is a good leader. 608 00:40:45,958 --> 00:40:49,208 "Mick's birthday was on the 26th of July. 609 00:40:49,208 --> 00:40:51,292 "I must rush, dear, honestly. 610 00:40:51,292 --> 00:40:53,458 "Brian Jones." 611 00:40:53,458 --> 00:40:57,500 I guess he was a little jealous of Mick because he was... 612 00:40:57,500 --> 00:41:00,167 He had all the fame sort of thing. 613 00:41:00,167 --> 00:41:04,042 But I don't think Brian realised that he had just as much too. 615 00:41:11,875 --> 00:41:13,708 Oh, Carol 616 00:41:13,708 --> 00:41:16,042 Don't let him steal your heart away 617 00:41:17,792 --> 00:41:19,375 I'm gonna learn to dance 618 00:41:19,375 --> 00:41:22,042 If it takes me all night and day 619 00:41:24,042 --> 00:41:27,292 Climb into my machine so we can groove on out... 621 00:41:41,333 --> 00:41:43,375 I think he would've liked to have been like Mick, 622 00:41:43,375 --> 00:41:44,875 but then no-one's like Mick. 623 00:41:44,875 --> 00:41:48,500 He has this charisma about him, he has amazing energy. 624 00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:51,500 A little cutie takes your hat and you can thank her, ma'am... 626 00:42:03,958 --> 00:42:08,167 I understand, Brian, because I think he was a lost person. 627 00:42:11,167 --> 00:42:14,792 The success of the Stones was unbelievable. 628 00:42:14,792 --> 00:42:18,375 But at a time when Brian could have celebrated the success 629 00:42:18,375 --> 00:42:21,625 of the band he had founded, he was locked in conflict 630 00:42:21,625 --> 00:42:23,708 with problems of his own creation. 631 00:42:26,208 --> 00:42:29,000 The reason I found out about Linda was because I was told 632 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,500 to go to Torquay. 633 00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:33,000 And then Stu told me, no, I couldn't go in and see him 634 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,000 because Linda was there with the baby. 635 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,417 I'm like, "What... Whose baby?", you know? 636 00:42:37,417 --> 00:42:39,000 He said, "Well, Brian's." 637 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,500 Well, you know my lovin' not fade away... 638 00:42:41,500 --> 00:42:44,625 Fame is a very strange thing. 639 00:42:44,625 --> 00:42:47,125 And he wanted that as well. 640 00:42:47,125 --> 00:42:48,833 And so that was the choice 641 00:42:48,833 --> 00:42:51,167 he had to make. 642 00:42:51,167 --> 00:42:52,875 And... 643 00:42:52,875 --> 00:42:54,042 And he did. 645 00:42:58,667 --> 00:43:01,042 I was at all the gigs. 646 00:43:01,042 --> 00:43:03,000 The other girlfriends weren't allowed to come, 647 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,042 but I would always be at the gig. 648 00:43:08,625 --> 00:43:12,458 The last one that I was at before I had Julian 649 00:43:12,458 --> 00:43:14,333 was the Bo Diddley concert. 650 00:43:14,333 --> 00:43:18,375 Hey, Bo Diddley Hey, Bo Diddley 651 00:43:18,375 --> 00:43:22,125 Hey, Bo Diddley Hey, Bo Diddley 652 00:43:22,125 --> 00:43:26,167 Hey, Bo Diddley Hey, Bo Diddley 653 00:43:26,167 --> 00:43:30,042 Hey, Bo Diddley Hey, Bo Diddley 654 00:43:30,042 --> 00:43:34,042 I got a girl lived on a hill Hey, Bo Diddley... 655 00:43:34,042 --> 00:43:36,833 I bonded so well with Bo Diddley 656 00:43:36,833 --> 00:43:38,292 and it was all fantastic. 657 00:43:38,292 --> 00:43:41,042 They thought that Brian and I were getting married. 658 00:43:41,042 --> 00:43:43,958 I thought we were getting married. 659 00:43:43,958 --> 00:43:47,042 So it was a bit of a shock when Andrew Oldham came in and said, 660 00:43:47,042 --> 00:43:51,458 "You can't have girlfriends and wives and, you know, it's..." 661 00:43:51,458 --> 00:43:53,542 Because I knew that he loved me 662 00:43:53,542 --> 00:43:56,417 and it was really hard to understand. 663 00:43:56,417 --> 00:44:00,667 And I kept saying to myself, "Well, I have to let go 664 00:44:00,667 --> 00:44:02,792 "and he'll be back." 665 00:44:06,542 --> 00:44:08,208 And my dad, when he left, said, 666 00:44:08,208 --> 00:44:11,042 "And there's no-one to look after him now." 667 00:44:12,333 --> 00:44:13,792 Brian tormented himself because 668 00:44:13,792 --> 00:44:15,250 he couldn't write songs 669 00:44:15,250 --> 00:44:16,875 like Mick and Keith, 670 00:44:16,875 --> 00:44:20,417 whose compositions had moved the band on to a whole new level. 671 00:44:20,417 --> 00:44:21,625 Say hi to Brian. 672 00:44:21,625 --> 00:44:24,500 Brian is one of the writers of most of the things, right? 673 00:44:24,500 --> 00:44:27,375 No, I'm not, actually... Well, I'm not really a writer. 674 00:44:27,375 --> 00:44:29,333 Ah, we do write a lot of stuff together - 675 00:44:29,333 --> 00:44:31,292 it comes out under the Nanker Phelge pseudonym - 676 00:44:31,292 --> 00:44:33,875 but Mick and Keith write more...many of our... Thank you, Bill. 677 00:44:33,875 --> 00:44:35,792 They're a little more industrious than we are. 678 00:44:35,792 --> 00:44:38,708 In writing the songs that you write, do you sometimes think that you have 679 00:44:38,708 --> 00:44:40,583 a special inspiration for the way that you... 680 00:44:40,583 --> 00:44:43,375 Well, you'd better ask - about writing songs - better address those 681 00:44:43,375 --> 00:44:46,042 questions to Mick and Keith because they'll tell me more about it. 682 00:44:46,042 --> 00:44:48,833 But the ones we've written together are just things we've worked out 683 00:44:48,833 --> 00:44:51,167 together in the studio, with somebody, you know, anyone 684 00:44:51,167 --> 00:44:53,750 that's had an idea. If you had to do it all over again, do you think 685 00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:56,250 you'd go the same route again? As far as, you know, now that you 686 00:44:56,250 --> 00:44:58,833 realise the demands that are put on you as a tremendous success? 687 00:44:58,833 --> 00:45:00,667 I'd do it 100 times over, if I could. I love it. 688 00:45:00,667 --> 00:45:01,708 Good. Thank you so much. 689 00:45:01,708 --> 00:45:04,500 Let me swing over here and talk to Keith and to Mick. 690 00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:07,250 These are the two that are supposed to be all the writing talent. 691 00:45:07,250 --> 00:45:09,792 You fellows get together and do most of the writing, right? 692 00:45:09,792 --> 00:45:12,167 Yeah, that's right. A lot of it. You know, some of it. 693 00:45:12,167 --> 00:45:15,167 Do you have a particular inspiration for some of your songs that seem 694 00:45:15,167 --> 00:45:16,500 to springboard them out? 695 00:45:16,500 --> 00:45:18,792 Well, I don't know. Ask Keith. 696 00:45:18,792 --> 00:45:20,750 I don't really think so, no. 697 00:45:20,750 --> 00:45:23,500 It just happens, you know? It just happens. 698 00:45:29,250 --> 00:45:31,542 Mick and Keith are wonderful songwriters. 699 00:45:31,542 --> 00:45:32,917 I mean, they're just great. 700 00:45:32,917 --> 00:45:34,292 Extraordinary. 701 00:45:34,292 --> 00:45:37,083 I mean, I couldn't admire them more. 702 00:45:37,083 --> 00:45:40,000 They tended to write more about sex. 703 00:45:41,125 --> 00:45:44,125 So from '64, '84... 704 00:45:44,125 --> 00:45:48,292 Like, for 20 years they were just turning them out. 705 00:45:48,292 --> 00:45:51,333 I mean, they're classic rock and roll songs. 706 00:45:51,333 --> 00:45:56,000 I'd rate it as extraordinary. 707 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,083 You see, the trouble was by 1963, 708 00:45:59,083 --> 00:46:03,167 when Mick and Keith were writing the songs and all that, 709 00:46:03,167 --> 00:46:06,208 Andrew was trying to promote Keith 710 00:46:06,208 --> 00:46:09,750 and kind of dismiss Brian, get Brian out of the way. 711 00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:14,750 And so what he did was he stopped me, Charlie and Brian 712 00:46:14,750 --> 00:46:18,542 from doing any interviews with any of the newspapers, any interviews 713 00:46:18,542 --> 00:46:21,667 at all, and gave them all to Mick and Keith. 714 00:46:21,667 --> 00:46:26,000 And I think when we talked on the phone ages ago, you mentioned 715 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,000 that he did something with Jimi Hendrix. 716 00:46:30,083 --> 00:46:31,542 Erm... Yes. 717 00:46:31,542 --> 00:46:33,917 Some playing. Yeah. 718 00:46:35,375 --> 00:46:36,833 No-one knows that. 719 00:46:42,792 --> 00:46:44,208 What do I say? 721 00:47:17,625 --> 00:47:20,833 And I got Brian trying to write a song with that guy, 722 00:47:20,833 --> 00:47:24,667 Michael Aldred, of Ready Steady Go! 723 00:47:24,667 --> 00:47:29,500 But they're unique things that I just happened to get, and... 724 00:47:29,500 --> 00:47:32,833 ..they shouldn't be... Was the song good? 725 00:47:32,833 --> 00:47:36,625 Yeah, they were putting a song together. It was OK, yeah. 726 00:47:36,625 --> 00:47:39,625 But he never had the courage to record it. 728 00:47:42,417 --> 00:47:45,167 Oh, fucking hell, turn it off! 731 00:48:08,958 --> 00:48:11,917 No. It's difficult... 732 00:48:11,917 --> 00:48:14,042 Oh, let's get... 733 00:48:14,042 --> 00:48:15,750 Bleurgh! 734 00:48:17,625 --> 00:48:21,250 He never played me a song he'd written, so it was quite hard 735 00:48:21,250 --> 00:48:25,708 to know really if he wanted to do songs with us that he'd written. 736 00:48:25,708 --> 00:48:29,375 I think he did, but he was very shy and all that, I think he found it 737 00:48:29,375 --> 00:48:32,667 rather hard to lay it down to us, you know, that "This was a song and 738 00:48:32,667 --> 00:48:34,125 "it went like this." 739 00:48:34,125 --> 00:48:37,792 And we probably sort of didn't even think - because he didn't do it, 740 00:48:37,792 --> 00:48:41,458 we didn't try and bring it out of him, probably, 741 00:48:41,458 --> 00:48:42,875 which was... 742 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,750 ..I suppose a bit insensitive of us. 743 00:48:50,458 --> 00:48:54,458 Ne Cherche Pas by Zouzou 745 00:50:27,125 --> 00:50:30,042 You Know My Name by The Beatles 746 00:51:24,208 --> 00:51:27,500 Each member of the band had a had a court. 747 00:51:27,500 --> 00:51:31,458 And the way the hierarchy worked was the Stones would always 748 00:51:31,458 --> 00:51:34,333 have to go to the Beatles' places. 749 00:51:34,333 --> 00:51:37,042 So the Beatles would never go to their house. 750 00:51:37,042 --> 00:51:40,000 You know, that was the order of things, 751 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,292 a very strict class system at work. 752 00:53:59,667 --> 00:54:02,500 753 00:54:42,917 --> 00:54:45,000 I think he liked drinking and I think he liked drugs 754 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,542 but they weren't very good for him. 755 00:54:47,542 --> 00:54:50,500 I don't think they're good for anyone, but he didn't... 756 00:54:50,500 --> 00:54:53,208 He wasn't strong enough, mentally or physically, 757 00:54:53,208 --> 00:54:54,375 to take any of it. 758 00:54:54,375 --> 00:54:55,958 And of course he did everything... 759 00:54:55,958 --> 00:54:58,833 Brian was one of those people that did everything to excess. 760 00:55:54,500 --> 00:55:58,250 And remember, no matter what anyone says... 761 00:55:58,250 --> 00:56:00,458 ..rock on. 762 00:56:00,458 --> 00:56:06,167 I can't get no satisfaction 763 00:56:06,167 --> 00:56:10,958 I can't get no satisfaction... 764 00:56:42,500 --> 00:56:45,625 The trouble with Brian was he wasn't very well a lot of the time. 765 00:56:45,625 --> 00:56:47,625 So he was often ill. 766 00:56:50,708 --> 00:56:53,000 We'd be on tour and Brian would get sick, and he'd be in 767 00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,542 hospital for five days and we had to play without him. 768 00:56:56,542 --> 00:56:59,375 Just the four of us, you know. 769 00:56:59,375 --> 00:57:01,083 Bass, drum, guitar. 770 00:57:01,083 --> 00:57:04,542 And you're playing all them songs that need more than one guitar, 771 00:57:04,542 --> 00:57:06,167 and you've only got one guitar. 772 00:57:08,375 --> 00:57:10,833 So I had to double-up on bass, the bass playing, 773 00:57:10,833 --> 00:57:12,167 and help Keith out, you know, 774 00:57:12,167 --> 00:57:14,958 and Keith had to play a bit more than he would normally play, 775 00:57:14,958 --> 00:57:17,417 playing partly rhythm, partly lead. 776 00:57:17,417 --> 00:57:19,250 It was tough, you know. 777 00:57:20,667 --> 00:57:25,250 So he was very unreliable at times in the later period of his life. 778 00:57:25,250 --> 00:57:27,833 You know, the last...maybe three years. 779 00:57:29,208 --> 00:57:32,500 Brian used to get very paranoid about being made fun of. 780 00:57:32,500 --> 00:57:36,458 You know, he always said, "They're talking about me and they're..." 781 00:57:36,458 --> 00:57:39,125 You know, when we were waiting in a... 782 00:57:39,125 --> 00:57:42,167 When we were staying over in a hotel or something. 783 00:57:50,375 --> 00:57:54,292 The classic example that I had of that was at the hotel in New York 784 00:57:54,292 --> 00:57:56,333 when Dylan was coming to visit him. 785 00:57:56,333 --> 00:57:58,208 You know, he was very friendly with Dylan. 786 00:57:58,208 --> 00:58:00,708 So Mick and Keith - Brian's room was next to mine, 787 00:58:00,708 --> 00:58:02,250 so Mick and Keith came into my room. 788 00:58:02,250 --> 00:58:04,750 They said, "Oh...", and they were very devilish. 789 00:58:04,750 --> 00:58:07,667 And Keith goes over and grabs a water glass that I had, 790 00:58:07,667 --> 00:58:11,042 and he puts it against the wall so he could listen in to Brian's room. 791 00:58:11,042 --> 00:58:14,542 And Mick goes over to the house telephone, my phone in the room, 792 00:58:14,542 --> 00:58:16,458 and calls Brian's room. 793 00:58:16,458 --> 00:58:18,917 And then immediately he says, "Hello, Mr Jones. 794 00:58:18,917 --> 00:58:21,250 "You have Mr Zimmerman for Mr Jones." 795 00:58:21,250 --> 00:58:24,417 And he was imitating putting Dylan on the phone. 796 00:58:24,417 --> 00:58:26,917 And then when he was on the phone, he says, "Oh, Brian, I think 797 00:58:26,917 --> 00:58:29,250 "you're the best guy in the group," that kind of... 798 00:58:29,250 --> 00:58:31,625 And Brian's like, "Shut up, you guys! I know you're..." 799 00:58:31,625 --> 00:58:34,042 And that was the kind of stuff that was going on. 800 00:58:34,042 --> 00:58:37,542 There But For Fortune by Marianne Faithful 801 00:58:37,542 --> 00:58:41,083 Show me the train.... 802 00:58:41,083 --> 00:58:43,000 Already there had been shit going on. 803 00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,958 You know, Brian was in very bad shape. 804 00:58:45,958 --> 00:58:48,000 He couldn't get into the States. 805 00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,625 And they didn't know what to do, and this and that and the other, 806 00:58:50,625 --> 00:58:53,250 you know, of just scrambling all the way along. 807 00:58:53,250 --> 00:58:55,625 It wasn't as bad as it was going to get later. 808 00:58:55,625 --> 00:58:59,208 Well, I read an interesting thing Keith said about this, 809 00:58:59,208 --> 00:59:03,000 that they started making fun of Brian so as not to get mad at him. 810 00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:04,833 Ah... Because it was a way... 811 00:59:04,833 --> 00:59:07,333 But I mean, of course, for somebody who's paranoid, 812 00:59:07,333 --> 00:59:09,792 this is just about the worst thing you can do. 813 00:59:09,792 --> 00:59:13,500 But I mean that was Mick and Keith's, apparently, 814 00:59:13,500 --> 00:59:15,042 attitude to this thing, you know? 815 00:59:15,042 --> 00:59:17,417 Well, because, you know, I mean if anybody had really let 816 00:59:17,417 --> 00:59:21,000 their feelings go, they would've killed him. Mm-hm. 817 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,042 And he would have killed them too. Mm-hm. 818 00:59:23,042 --> 00:59:24,958 I mean, it was that bad. 819 00:59:27,250 --> 00:59:30,500 I think Marianne sympathised with Brian. 820 00:59:30,500 --> 00:59:35,333 And Marianne of course was not in much better shape because of drugs. 821 00:59:35,333 --> 00:59:39,958 She knew him very well and had, you know, had an affair with him. 822 00:59:39,958 --> 00:59:44,583 Marianne felt that she had become a real drag on Mick. 823 00:59:45,875 --> 00:59:51,750 And there's a horrible conversation where she overhears Ahmet Ertegun 824 00:59:51,750 --> 00:59:56,792 saying to Mick, "You've got to get rid of Marianne, 825 00:59:56,792 --> 01:00:00,083 "you know, if the band is going to function. 826 01:00:00,083 --> 01:00:04,042 "It's having a really negative effect." 827 01:00:04,042 --> 01:00:08,375 And so in that sense I think she absolutely identified with Brian. 828 01:00:13,333 --> 01:00:16,792 Anita Pallenberg was a massive influence on Brian. 829 01:00:16,792 --> 01:00:21,958 She was credited with transforming both Brian and the Stones. 830 01:01:13,917 --> 01:01:18,083 She was an incredibly interesting person, who'd done a lot, 831 01:01:18,083 --> 01:01:21,542 and was on the make, in the way that he was. 832 01:01:21,542 --> 01:01:26,833 And she craved new experiences, you know, in the way that he was. 833 01:01:26,833 --> 01:01:29,667 But I think he was thinking of leaving the band. 834 01:01:29,667 --> 01:01:32,292 I think he probably could have and probably should have left 835 01:01:32,292 --> 01:01:35,458 the band for his own, you know, health and sanity. 836 01:01:35,458 --> 01:01:38,500 But I think, by teaming up with Anita, he knew they'd be 837 01:01:38,500 --> 01:01:40,500 a real phenomenon, which they were. 838 01:01:40,500 --> 01:01:44,458 And that really launched his kind of last great... 839 01:01:44,458 --> 01:01:45,833 Last great ride. 840 01:01:46,833 --> 01:01:48,333 Oui, oui, je le comprends. 841 01:01:51,167 --> 01:01:55,500 There was such sort of...erotic power to their pairing 842 01:01:55,500 --> 01:01:57,542 and such glamour. 843 01:01:57,542 --> 01:01:59,958 And also, you know, he wants to be glamorous. 844 01:01:59,958 --> 01:02:03,375 He wanted to be seen as a main player in the Stones, 845 01:02:03,375 --> 01:02:05,583 and she'd helped that happen. 846 01:02:05,583 --> 01:02:09,000 She and Brian were, you know, like a little unit, 847 01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:13,958 whispering, talking to each other, giggling, speaking in sort of 848 01:02:13,958 --> 01:02:18,833 a code that, you know, intimate couples can have sometimes. 849 01:02:18,833 --> 01:02:22,958 And I think they were doing a lot of acid and just hanging out. 850 01:02:22,958 --> 01:02:27,500 She was staggeringly beautiful, 851 01:02:27,500 --> 01:02:33,042 had extraordinary physical and sexual confidence. 852 01:02:33,042 --> 01:02:37,875 You know, when she walked in a room, you know, guys' eyes popped out 853 01:02:37,875 --> 01:02:40,542 and tongues rolled out, like in a cartoon. 854 01:03:09,625 --> 01:03:12,125 The Rolling Stones, they were, as Marianne would put it, 855 01:03:12,125 --> 01:03:14,083 were a bunch of yobs. 856 01:03:14,083 --> 01:03:15,792 They were very talented, 857 01:03:15,792 --> 01:03:18,958 but they weren't educated or sophisticated. 858 01:03:21,375 --> 01:03:26,208 Marianne and Anita connected them with all the European intellectuals 859 01:03:26,208 --> 01:03:28,083 and film-makers. 860 01:03:28,083 --> 01:03:31,500 We were the right women for that time to enable whatever 861 01:03:31,500 --> 01:03:33,375 had to happen to happen. 862 01:03:33,375 --> 01:03:36,500 And probably the same is true of Brian and Anita 863 01:03:36,500 --> 01:03:39,167 and Keith and Anita. 864 01:03:39,167 --> 01:03:42,625 They seemed to be a proto-aristocracy. 865 01:03:42,625 --> 01:03:44,875 Mick at one point said, 866 01:03:44,875 --> 01:03:48,042 "Well, the only thing left is me and the Queen." 868 01:03:52,667 --> 01:03:55,708 Brian and Anita would spend time at the vast Guinness estate 869 01:03:55,708 --> 01:03:57,000 in Ireland. 870 01:04:02,042 --> 01:04:04,833 This is Mick go-karting at Leslie Castle, 871 01:04:04,833 --> 01:04:08,042 a massive Irish estate that has been in the Leslie family 872 01:04:08,042 --> 01:04:10,333 for 1,000 years. 873 01:04:10,333 --> 01:04:12,792 A whole new world opened up to them. 874 01:04:15,917 --> 01:04:19,083 I think it was the great changing of the old order, wasn't it? 875 01:04:21,042 --> 01:04:24,000 I loved the sort of mixture, 876 01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,500 the juxtaposition then of the Stones and the Beatles 877 01:04:27,500 --> 01:04:30,000 and the royals and the thing, you know? 878 01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:31,083 It suddenly was all... 879 01:04:31,083 --> 01:04:35,208 Everybody and anybody were part of the same thing. 880 01:04:35,208 --> 01:04:36,375 It was excellent. 881 01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:42,167 It was my sister Victoria's birthday, and that was a sort of 882 01:04:42,167 --> 01:04:47,875 wonderful melting pot with the Kennedys and Princess Margaret 883 01:04:47,875 --> 01:04:52,333 and the Beatles and the Stones and then all my relations. 884 01:04:53,625 --> 01:04:55,708 Brian definitely came. 885 01:04:55,708 --> 01:04:58,208 Brian was the most sort of sociable at that time. 886 01:04:58,208 --> 01:05:00,833 He was much the most sort of gregarious. 887 01:05:00,833 --> 01:05:05,542 So it was it was the informality, I think, of it that was part of 888 01:05:05,542 --> 01:05:07,667 the whole thing of the '60s. 889 01:05:07,667 --> 01:05:13,583 Never mind who was there, whether it was rock stars or royalty 890 01:05:13,583 --> 01:05:18,417 or scrubbers from the East End. 891 01:05:18,417 --> 01:05:20,375 It really didn't make any difference. 892 01:05:24,042 --> 01:05:27,125 Brian's best friend at the time was Tara Browne. 893 01:05:27,125 --> 01:05:29,958 He was the Guinness heir and owner of Dandie Fashions 894 01:05:29,958 --> 01:05:31,500 on the King's Road. 895 01:05:34,667 --> 01:05:38,167 The so-called Swinging London was actually a very small group 896 01:05:38,167 --> 01:05:41,625 of people, and Brian and Tara were right at the centre. 897 01:05:45,375 --> 01:05:49,250 Tara was immortalised in the Beatles song A Day in the Life 898 01:05:49,250 --> 01:05:51,542 when he had a tragic car accident. 899 01:05:51,542 --> 01:05:56,042 He blew his mind out in a car 900 01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:02,250 He didn't notice that the lights had changed 901 01:06:02,250 --> 01:06:05,917 A crowd of people stood and stared... 902 01:06:09,208 --> 01:06:12,000 Brian was devastated by Tara's death, 903 01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,208 the first of that intimate circle. 904 01:06:16,875 --> 01:06:19,833 Brian would later date his girlfriend, Suki Poitier, 905 01:06:19,833 --> 01:06:24,292 who was with Tara in the accident but miraculously survived. 906 01:06:25,875 --> 01:06:28,500 And we all wore the Dandie Fashions look, 907 01:06:28,500 --> 01:06:31,125 which was so much the spirit of the time. 908 01:06:38,708 --> 01:06:42,625 Anita was pushing him to dress more outrageously. 909 01:06:42,625 --> 01:06:45,750 He was the archetypal dandy, 910 01:06:45,750 --> 01:06:48,750 more than anyone, you know, in '66, '67. 911 01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,500 At that point you can see the power dynamics shift 912 01:07:01,500 --> 01:07:04,667 within the band, where Keith is coming back to Brian again. 914 01:07:12,042 --> 01:07:15,750 So for a period, yeah, he was back with Keith, because he was cool 915 01:07:15,750 --> 01:07:20,000 and happening, and obviously at that time they did Ruby Tuesday. 916 01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:25,833 He was doing all that stuff without asking anyone. 917 01:07:25,833 --> 01:07:30,083 He'd pick up a flute or just anything that was handy 918 01:07:30,083 --> 01:07:35,000 and just create something out of it which wasn't there originally. 919 01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:39,500 And it embellished the song so much that it became the catch. 920 01:07:39,500 --> 01:07:42,500 MUSIC: Ruby Tuesday by The Rolling Stones 921 01:07:42,500 --> 01:07:46,458 Or in the darkest night 922 01:07:46,458 --> 01:07:48,417 No-one knows... 923 01:07:48,417 --> 01:07:51,042 BILL: Do, doo! Can you hear him? 924 01:07:51,042 --> 01:07:53,958 She comes and goes... 925 01:07:53,958 --> 01:07:56,708 Do, do, do... 926 01:07:56,708 --> 01:07:58,792 Goodbye, Ruby... 927 01:07:58,792 --> 01:08:00,333 He just finds a flute, 928 01:08:00,333 --> 01:08:02,500 and he finds a little thing he can play on it. 929 01:08:04,917 --> 01:08:08,958 Brian's self-loathing came out in the way he treated other people. 930 01:08:08,958 --> 01:08:13,333 He and Anita particularly were known for spiking people's drinks. 931 01:08:13,333 --> 01:08:17,292 Anita would encourage him for that kind of outrageous behaviour. 932 01:08:17,292 --> 01:08:19,583 They would just mock people who hadn't... 933 01:08:19,583 --> 01:08:22,208 Who weren't turned on in the same way that they were. 934 01:08:22,208 --> 01:08:25,333 So that was a thing - "We're the hip kids - we can make fun 935 01:08:25,333 --> 01:08:27,125 "of other people." 936 01:08:27,125 --> 01:08:30,417 For instance, Linda Lawrence came. 937 01:08:30,417 --> 01:08:33,875 I think she was short of money for young Julian. 938 01:08:35,167 --> 01:08:38,958 I think they were up in the flat, Brian and Anita, 939 01:08:38,958 --> 01:08:42,708 and they just laughed at her and wouldn't let her come in. 940 01:09:27,833 --> 01:09:32,125 So whilst he could still make things happen in the studio, 941 01:09:32,125 --> 01:09:36,333 he still was holding some power even whilst he was this kind of liability 942 01:09:36,333 --> 01:09:38,042 at the same time. 943 01:09:38,042 --> 01:09:42,417 You know, he was pretty dominant in terms of the sounds. 944 01:09:42,417 --> 01:09:46,708 You know, they needed to get a bit more exotic. 945 01:09:46,708 --> 01:09:48,958 Paint It Black, he's embellished it again. 946 01:09:48,958 --> 01:09:50,875 Paint It Black by The Rolling Stones 947 01:09:50,875 --> 01:09:51,958 Bass pedals. 948 01:09:51,958 --> 01:09:54,667 There's Brian. 950 01:09:56,292 --> 01:10:01,917 I see a line of cars and they're all painted black... 952 01:10:06,250 --> 01:10:09,792 Your head goes into, like... 953 01:10:09,792 --> 01:10:12,500 You're suddenly in the Middle East 954 01:10:12,500 --> 01:10:14,042 or Far East... 955 01:10:14,042 --> 01:10:19,417 That made me realise that there was a very inventive guy there. 956 01:10:19,417 --> 01:10:22,042 I mean, he was really a... 957 01:10:22,042 --> 01:10:23,542 ..bit of a genius. 958 01:10:29,458 --> 01:10:33,667 The Volker Schlondorff film Mord und Totschlag was a big deal 959 01:10:33,667 --> 01:10:35,375 for Anita and for Brian. 960 01:10:35,375 --> 01:10:40,042 It was a starring role for Anita, with a really good director, 961 01:10:40,042 --> 01:10:44,250 and it was really pretty like their own - Brian and Anita's - 962 01:10:44,250 --> 01:10:47,292 relationship, where there was this constant provocation 963 01:10:47,292 --> 01:10:49,458 and escalation of provocation. 964 01:10:56,958 --> 01:10:58,833 Hau ab jetzt. 965 01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:22,000 When Keith went with Anita, Brian decided to start going out 966 01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:25,083 with Linda Keith, who used to be Keith's girlfriend. 967 01:15:26,458 --> 01:15:28,375 All their relationships were 968 01:15:28,375 --> 01:15:31,167 always slightly incestuous. 969 01:15:31,167 --> 01:15:33,542 Marianne, you know, 970 01:15:33,542 --> 01:15:37,167 when she gave up with Mick, she went with Brian... 971 01:15:38,333 --> 01:15:41,083 ..and then she went with Keith. 972 01:15:41,083 --> 01:15:43,958 So she went with three of them. 973 01:15:43,958 --> 01:15:48,500 Anita went with Brian, she went with Mick, she went with Keith. 974 01:15:48,500 --> 01:15:51,042 It was all very mixed up, you know? 975 01:15:51,042 --> 01:15:55,458 Girls would end up being with another member of the band. 976 01:15:57,750 --> 01:15:59,375 Seeing the state of Brian, 977 01:15:59,375 --> 01:16:03,250 his parents finally reached out to help him. 978 01:16:03,250 --> 01:16:07,958 What I firmly believe was the turning point in Brian's life 979 01:16:07,958 --> 01:16:12,208 was when he lost the only girl he ever really loved. 980 01:16:13,500 --> 01:16:17,792 When his mother and I saw him for the first time for some months 981 01:16:17,792 --> 01:16:22,708 after this happening, we were quite shocked by the changes 982 01:16:22,708 --> 01:16:24,375 of his appearance, and in our opinion 983 01:16:24,375 --> 01:16:26,792 he was never the same boy again. 984 01:16:26,792 --> 01:16:31,458 He changed suddenly and alarmingly 985 01:16:31,458 --> 01:16:38,000 from a bright, enthusiastic young man to a quiet and morose 986 01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:40,583 and inward-looking young man. 987 01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:48,042 Brian and Linda Keith's relationship was tempestuous and drug-fuelled, 988 01:16:48,042 --> 01:16:51,917 with Brian recovering from Anita and Linda from Keith. 989 01:16:53,292 --> 01:16:58,917 Linda ended up taking an overdose in Brian's flat, which she survived. 990 01:16:58,917 --> 01:17:01,333 Brian wrote this to her... 991 01:17:01,333 --> 01:17:04,917 "Dearest darling Linda, I'm presently very smashed. 992 01:17:05,958 --> 01:17:08,250 "Please be with me. 993 01:17:08,250 --> 01:17:10,208 "I'm so lonely by myself. 994 01:17:10,208 --> 01:17:13,667 "I need you so badly and I love you so much. 995 01:17:13,667 --> 01:17:16,000 "Please understand what fucked us up before, 996 01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:19,000 "a terrible combination of events. 997 01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:21,125 "Please let's start again. 998 01:17:21,125 --> 01:17:25,875 "Please marry me. Please, please, please. 999 01:17:25,875 --> 01:17:28,167 "All my love, Brian." 1000 01:17:34,917 --> 01:17:36,958 It was a painful year, you know? 1001 01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:41,625 '67 was a year of change for everybody. 1002 01:17:41,625 --> 01:17:45,375 I mean, '67 was the explosion of the drug culture. 1003 01:17:55,667 --> 01:18:00,500 The whole infamous Stones drug bust all followed in the wake of 1004 01:18:00,500 --> 01:18:02,917 News Of The World stories that prided themselves 1005 01:18:02,917 --> 01:18:06,708 in actually busting Mick Jagger and proclaiming him a drug user. 1006 01:18:06,708 --> 01:18:09,500 The problem was it wasn't Mick. It was Brian. 1007 01:18:10,875 --> 01:18:14,417 He was hanging in a nightclub called Blazing and boasting 1008 01:18:14,417 --> 01:18:16,500 about being a druggy hipster. 1009 01:18:17,583 --> 01:18:20,958 He actually told the reporter he didn't do LSD much these days 1010 01:18:20,958 --> 01:18:24,458 now that everybody had taken it up and, you know, he was doing 1011 01:18:24,458 --> 01:18:26,125 it before anybody else. 1012 01:18:27,292 --> 01:18:30,417 For Mick, Brian was the villain of the piece. 1013 01:18:32,833 --> 01:18:38,500 The only person who was really, really out of it on drugs was Brian. 1014 01:18:38,500 --> 01:18:40,000 This was like the last straw, 1015 01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,750 the straw that broke the camel's back with Brian. 1016 01:18:42,750 --> 01:18:45,625 And I think it brought up a lot of bad feelings that were already 1017 01:18:45,625 --> 01:18:47,917 there about Brian. 1018 01:18:47,917 --> 01:18:50,833 Mick didn't know he'd end up in prison. 1019 01:18:50,833 --> 01:18:52,458 It was just dreadful. 1020 01:18:52,458 --> 01:18:55,375 But it was very frightening, because you saw the sort of the power 1021 01:18:55,375 --> 01:18:57,458 of the state, the power of the status quo, 1022 01:18:57,458 --> 01:19:01,250 the whole thing coming down on them - for nothing. 1023 01:19:02,875 --> 01:19:06,792 Mick was very, very, very desperate and just in... 1024 01:19:06,792 --> 01:19:08,917 It was a horrible thing. 1025 01:19:08,917 --> 01:19:10,958 I don't think he ever thought this sort of thing 1026 01:19:10,958 --> 01:19:13,833 would ever happen to him in his life. 1027 01:19:13,833 --> 01:19:19,125 And I must say, to my shame, I wasn't very compassionate at all. 1028 01:19:19,125 --> 01:19:21,750 If you need to cry, you cry. 1029 01:19:21,750 --> 01:19:26,042 It was a real moment of truth and vulnerability. 1030 01:19:26,042 --> 01:19:29,500 Needless to say, he never, ever showed it again. 1031 01:20:59,208 --> 01:21:02,292 The phone rings and it's Brian. 1032 01:21:02,292 --> 01:21:05,792 And he said, "I'm not going... I'm not going to come tomorrow." 1033 01:21:05,792 --> 01:21:08,708 And I said... I said, "Huh? Why?" 1034 01:21:08,708 --> 01:21:10,958 And he said, "Because they are so mean to me." 1035 01:21:10,958 --> 01:21:13,125 And I said, "Who's so mean?" 1036 01:21:13,125 --> 01:21:17,125 He said, "Mick and Keith, they are making my life hell." 1037 01:21:17,125 --> 01:21:21,500 Naively, I said, "Well, what would the Rolling Stones be without you?" 1038 01:21:21,500 --> 01:21:23,833 And anyway, I'm thinking, "What the fuck do we do with four 1039 01:21:23,833 --> 01:21:27,583 "Rolling Stones if we really are looking at five Rolling Stones?" 1040 01:21:27,583 --> 01:21:31,042 And so then he stopped, 1041 01:21:31,042 --> 01:21:35,000 he listened and he stopped crying, 1042 01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:37,000 and he said, "It's just been a hard day." 1043 01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:38,625 And also, you don't know how much he's... 1044 01:21:38,625 --> 01:21:40,708 I think he was drinking a lot. 1045 01:21:40,708 --> 01:21:44,208 I convinced him to come the next day. 1046 01:21:44,208 --> 01:21:46,708 There was something kind of childlike about him, 1047 01:21:46,708 --> 01:21:49,542 because then he had dressed kind of like a wizard. 1048 01:21:49,542 --> 01:21:54,708 Then when they got onstage at two in the morning, he was... 1049 01:21:54,708 --> 01:21:58,417 I would say he was drunk because he looked it, 1050 01:21:58,417 --> 01:22:04,375 and he could play the maracas and he could play the slide... 1051 01:22:05,500 --> 01:22:09,083 ..he could hardly play the guitar in the regular way. 1052 01:22:11,792 --> 01:22:14,667 He looked dreadful, really. 1053 01:22:14,667 --> 01:22:16,500 His big bags under his eyes. 1054 01:22:16,500 --> 01:22:19,542 I mean, really, bags under his eyes for a guy of 26. 1055 01:22:24,042 --> 01:22:25,792 He was just gone. 1056 01:22:25,792 --> 01:22:27,625 Well, he wouldn't turn up half the time. 1057 01:22:27,625 --> 01:22:29,917 When he did turn up, he was not in any condition 1058 01:22:29,917 --> 01:22:31,958 to do anything, had to baby him. 1059 01:22:31,958 --> 01:22:34,208 And it was very sad. 1060 01:22:35,625 --> 01:22:39,208 I saw him as another person with incredibly low self-esteem 1061 01:22:39,208 --> 01:22:43,750 who needed help not to be destroyed and ground underfoot. 1062 01:22:43,750 --> 01:22:47,583 And that's when I kind of realised what was going on 1063 01:22:47,583 --> 01:22:50,083 and how it was going to affect me. 1064 01:22:52,417 --> 01:22:57,458 That kind of ruthlessness, you know, the bit where they would pretend 1065 01:22:57,458 --> 01:23:00,667 to be recording Brian and not have him plugged in, 1066 01:23:00,667 --> 01:23:02,083 that was really terrible. 1068 01:23:22,833 --> 01:23:27,375 Both Marianne and Brian, they were victims of the Stones. 1069 01:23:27,375 --> 01:23:29,583 She realised she was no longer useful... 1070 01:23:30,958 --> 01:23:36,667 ..and he was especially horrified to be ostracised from his band. 1071 01:24:05,667 --> 01:24:09,875 A rock group is sort of like a, you know, a primitive tribe. 1072 01:24:09,875 --> 01:24:14,750 People are often killed in tribes, psychically, if they're expelled. 1073 01:24:14,750 --> 01:24:16,875 And a rock group is sort of like that. 1074 01:24:16,875 --> 01:24:21,750 I mean, their whole lifeblood comes from that bond. 1075 01:24:21,750 --> 01:24:27,125 Once they're of no use, that is...oddly fatal. 1076 01:24:28,500 --> 01:24:31,542 Like, nobody wants to talk to them or deal with them. 1077 01:24:31,542 --> 01:24:34,458 They just go off into the woods and die. 1078 01:24:37,375 --> 01:24:39,792 I felt like he was very much the underdog. 1079 01:24:39,792 --> 01:24:44,667 He was lost and, you know, I just felt for him. 1080 01:24:44,667 --> 01:24:46,417 I felt that he had been... 1081 01:24:48,083 --> 01:24:50,750 ..badly treated. 1082 01:24:50,750 --> 01:24:52,750 I remember he had a dog. 1083 01:24:53,958 --> 01:24:55,417 She was a spaniel. 1084 01:24:55,417 --> 01:24:56,625 Such a sweet dog. 1085 01:24:57,667 --> 01:25:01,875 She was maybe about five years old, and she looked about 20 1086 01:25:01,875 --> 01:25:06,917 because she'd eaten a cake with acid and she'd gone on a trip 1087 01:25:06,917 --> 01:25:10,667 that had lasted sort of months and months. 1088 01:25:10,667 --> 01:25:13,750 You know, sad things that happen. 1089 01:25:16,917 --> 01:25:20,875 Charlie phoned me up, phone went about three in the morning 1090 01:25:20,875 --> 01:25:24,167 and he just said, "Brian died." 1091 01:25:26,917 --> 01:25:28,917 I couldn't believe it, you know? 1092 01:25:28,917 --> 01:25:33,958 It was such a blow that, you know, you just don't accept it for weeks. 1093 01:25:34,958 --> 01:25:36,667 You can't really believe it's true. 1094 01:25:36,667 --> 01:25:38,083 And I mean, I don't... 1095 01:25:38,083 --> 01:25:40,042 I don't think we slept after that, 1096 01:25:40,042 --> 01:25:41,917 we just laid and talked and... 1097 01:25:43,083 --> 01:25:45,042 Just couldn't understand it. 1098 01:25:48,458 --> 01:25:52,000 I think he'd been doing what he always used to do, 1099 01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:56,167 and that was taken downers and doing heavy alcohol, 1100 01:25:56,167 --> 01:25:58,667 and fell asleep in the pool. 1101 01:25:58,667 --> 01:26:00,792 It was basically that simple. 1102 01:26:04,500 --> 01:26:06,208 He got much nicer to... 1103 01:26:06,208 --> 01:26:09,833 Just before he died, you know, the last few years of his life, 1104 01:26:09,833 --> 01:26:14,083 I felt even sorrier for him for what we did to him then. 1105 01:26:14,083 --> 01:26:17,625 We took his one thing away, which was being in a band. 1106 01:26:21,833 --> 01:26:24,667 It really knocked us back. 1107 01:26:24,667 --> 01:26:29,542 I mean, been with that cat for seven or eight years nonstop, you know? 1108 01:26:30,625 --> 01:26:33,625 To have him suddenly removed completely. 1109 01:26:37,083 --> 01:26:39,917 Although it was a shock when it actually happened, 1110 01:26:39,917 --> 01:26:42,583 nobody was really that surprised too. 1111 01:26:42,583 --> 01:26:45,375 There are people... I'm sure that everybody's got those things 1112 01:26:45,375 --> 01:26:47,625 about certain people everybody knows people that... 1113 01:26:47,625 --> 01:26:50,250 ..you just have that feeling that they're not going to be... 1114 01:26:50,250 --> 01:26:52,875 they're not going to be 70 years old ever, you know? 1115 01:26:53,917 --> 01:26:55,583 Not everybody makes it. 1116 01:27:15,625 --> 01:27:17,542 I was just 20, 1117 01:27:17,542 --> 01:27:21,875 and we were all incredibly shocked by Brian's death. 1118 01:27:21,875 --> 01:27:26,000 It was the first drug-alcohol casualty of our generation. 1119 01:27:27,750 --> 01:27:30,917 We felt his death marked the end of the '60s, and the concert 1120 01:27:30,917 --> 01:27:34,792 in the park which we all went to was very much the end of the '60s 1121 01:27:34,792 --> 01:27:39,875 and a sort of mass funeral for everything that had gone before. 1122 01:27:39,875 --> 01:27:42,667 You just knew there was going to be a massive change, 1123 01:27:42,667 --> 01:27:46,083 and Brian's death somehow was an emblem for that. 1124 01:27:53,500 --> 01:27:58,042 I flew to London immediately from Munich when I heard about it. 1125 01:27:59,292 --> 01:28:03,500 I was there, and stayed with Anita and Keith in their house. 1126 01:28:06,958 --> 01:28:09,833 We were talking and sitting and hugging. 1127 01:28:13,042 --> 01:28:17,167 There was a mourning and sadness around all of them. 1128 01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:25,083 It was a very emotional thing, the way they organised 1129 01:28:25,083 --> 01:28:30,042 this farewell and goodbye, as if to say, 1130 01:28:30,042 --> 01:28:34,000 "Now you're still - or again - one of us." 1131 01:28:37,750 --> 01:28:39,500 And Mick was very upset. 1133 01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:47,708 I just want to say something that was written by Shelley, 1134 01:28:47,708 --> 01:28:51,208 and I think it goes with what happened to Brian. 1135 01:28:53,167 --> 01:28:58,292 Peace, peace! He is not dead, he does not sleep. 1136 01:28:58,292 --> 01:29:01,167 He has awakened from the dreams of life. 1138 01:29:03,042 --> 01:29:06,250 Brian was so sensitive, really, 1139 01:29:06,250 --> 01:29:10,542 because Brian was so sensitive to everything, you know what I mean? 1140 01:29:10,542 --> 01:29:14,375 I suppose there was a kind of feeling that I knew that Brian would... 1141 01:29:14,375 --> 01:29:17,125 If anyone was going to die, Brian was going to die. 1142 01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:24,625 I mean, I always knew that Brian wouldn't really live that long. 1143 01:29:27,125 --> 01:29:29,792 But he just... He lived his life very fast. 1144 01:29:37,083 --> 01:29:39,917 He was... He was kind of like a butterfly. 1145 01:29:51,167 --> 01:29:55,917 40 years after Brian died, a box of old letters addressed to Brian 1146 01:29:55,917 --> 01:30:00,083 were discovered in the attic of Linda Lawrence's family house. 1147 01:30:00,083 --> 01:30:03,125 In it was this letter from Brian's father. 1148 01:30:04,958 --> 01:30:09,750 "My dear Brian, we have had unhappy times 1149 01:30:09,750 --> 01:30:15,542 "and I have been a very poor and intolerant father in so many ways. 1150 01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:20,333 "You grew up in such a different way from that 1151 01:30:20,333 --> 01:30:22,333 "in which I expected you to. 1152 01:30:22,333 --> 01:30:25,542 "I was quite out of my depth. 1153 01:30:25,542 --> 01:30:29,667 "In my most drastic of all actions, 1154 01:30:29,667 --> 01:30:34,000 "which I shall never forget or cease to worry over, 1155 01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:37,708 "I felt it was the only way to save my home 1156 01:30:37,708 --> 01:30:40,625 "and bring you to terms with yourself. 1157 01:30:41,792 --> 01:30:46,125 "I don't suppose you will ever forgive me, but all I ask 1158 01:30:46,125 --> 01:30:50,625 "is just a little of that affection I think you once had for me. 1159 01:30:53,500 --> 01:30:56,375 "This is a very private and personal note. 1160 01:30:56,375 --> 01:30:58,042 "Don't trouble to reply. 1161 01:31:02,333 --> 01:31:04,458 "Love, Dad." 1162 01:31:10,917 --> 01:31:12,917 Rollin' Stone by Muddy Waters 1163 01:31:21,708 --> 01:31:24,292 I'll be a rollin' stone 1164 01:31:24,292 --> 01:31:26,500 You gonna be a rollin' stone 1165 01:31:28,208 --> 01:31:29,792 You gonna be a rollin' stone 1166 01:31:31,458 --> 01:31:33,333 Oh, darn 1167 01:31:34,667 --> 01:31:36,792 Sure 'nough, he gon' 1168 01:31:38,125 --> 01:31:39,750 Oh, yeah 1169 01:31:49,792 --> 01:31:52,500 Well, I feel 1170 01:31:52,500 --> 01:31:55,708 Yes, I feel 1171 01:31:55,708 --> 01:32:01,375 Feel that I could lay down, oh, time ain't long 1172 01:32:02,708 --> 01:32:06,500 I'ma catch the first thing smokin' back 1173 01:32:06,500 --> 01:32:08,500 Back down the road I'm goin' 1174 01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:11,500 Back down the road I'm goin' 1175 01:32:13,042 --> 01:32:14,708 Back down the road I'm goin' 1176 01:32:16,417 --> 01:32:19,250 Oh, God, oh... 94339

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