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{\an7}(upbeat music)
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{\an7}- Hey there, New York City.
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{\an7}It’s Tuesday’s forecast,
and it’s gonna be cold,
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{\an7}winds will make it feel
\heven colder than that,
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{\an7}\hso definitely bundle up if
you can’t just stay inside.
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{\an7}- Breaking news from the
\h\h\h\h\hSupreme Court,
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{\an7}the justices have agreed to
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\htake up
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{\an7}whether states can ban same-sex
marriage.
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{\an7}- A new year, a new decision,
\h\h\hthe Supreme Court says
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{\an7}it will take up the issue
\h\hof same-sex marriage.
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{\an7}\h\h- [Reporter] It will
be a civil rights issue.
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{\an7}- Well, it’s a historic day here
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{\an7}because the Supreme Court has
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hnever agreed
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{\an7}to decide this question
\hand now it’s taking--
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{\an7}- [Reporter] To take up the
issue of same-sex marriage,
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{\an7}the justices will hear the
\h\h\h\h\h\hcases in April
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{\an7}and they will ponder whether
\hthe Constitution requires
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{\an7}states to issue marriage
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hlicenses.
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{\an7}- This is another historic
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hannouncement
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{\an7}by the US Supreme Court
and a major sign of hope
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{\an7}for countless same-sex couples.
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{\an7}- [Reporter] And we have to wait
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{\an7}until they actually issue their
decision.
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{\an7}\h\h- [Reporter] And no
matter what they decide,
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{\an7}they will make history.
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{\an7}\h\h\h- The Supreme Court
took up those cases today,
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{\an7}the arguments are gonna happen
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hin April,
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{\an7}\hand then, probably in
June, the Supreme Court
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{\an7}\h\hof the United States will
issue what very well might be
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{\an7}the biggest gay rights ruling
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hever.
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{\an7}- [Crowd] We want freedom!
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{\an7}We want freedom!
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{\an7}We want freedom!
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{\an7}(bell tolling)
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{\an7}- Good afternoon, Freedom
\hto Marry, this is Mark.
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{\an7}\h\h\h- Okay, the Supreme
Court has said this is it.
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{\an7}We have got what, four or five
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hmonths,
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{\an7}to now to continue driving this
narrative
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{\an7}that America is ready and it’s
\htime, as we have been doing.
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{\an7}We really have to exhibit that
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hurgency
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{\an7}as we’re sending out the
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hmessage.
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{\an7}\h\h\hWinning isn’t won and it’s
not a done deal until it’s done.
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{\an7}The case before the Supreme
Court is the marriage case,
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{\an7}it’s the case seeking
the freedom to marry,
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{\an7}\h\h\h\h\hthe culmination of
everything we’ve fought for.
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{\an7}- My biggest fear is that we
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hlose.
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{\an7}This is not just a normal court
case.
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{\an7}This is a case about the
\hdignity of millions of
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{\an7}Americans.
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{\an7}- We stand now before the
\h\h\h\h\hSupreme Court,
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{\an7}having gone from zero states
where gay people can marry,
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{\an7}little more than a decade ago,
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{\an7}to now 37 Freedom to Marry
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hstates.
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{\an7}But we’re not done until we have
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{\an7}won the freedom to marry
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{\an7}with no state and no family
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hleft out.
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{\an7}And the job is not done and
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hit’s urgent,
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{\an7}and it makes a difference,
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{\an7}it makes a difference whether
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hit happens
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{\an7}\hthis year or next year
or five years from now.
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{\an7}It makes a real difference to
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hreal people.
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{\an7}\h- [Thalia] Evan has been the
leader of this entire movement
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{\an7}\h\h\h\h\hand he has gathered
together political operatives,
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{\an7}message people, new media,
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{\an7}all looking towards the same
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hvision
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{\an7}and moving in the same
\h\h\h\h\h\hdirection.
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{\an7}- Evan has driven this thing.
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{\an7}From the mid-’80s, he has
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hdriven it
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{\an7}all the way through to today.
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{\an7}- You know, one way or another,
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{\an7}I have been working on this
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{\an7}for the most part of most
\hdays for 32 years now.
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{\an7}- Are you filming?
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{\an7}- [Michael] Yes.
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{\an7}Don’t just curious me
when you are filming.
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{\an7}That is not fair.
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{\an7}- [Michael] Why?
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{\an7}\h- Mike, I’ll make you
turn it off, I mean it.
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{\an7}- [Michael] Okay.
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{\an7}I mean, one of the things you
do is activism for gay rights,
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{\an7}why do you do that?
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{\an7}- Because it bothers me.
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{\an7}Injustice, pompous as
it sounds, bothers me.
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{\an7}I think it’s unfair that people
should not be able to live
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{\an7}their lives and make their
\hown choices in a country
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{\an7}that is built on respect
\hfor individual choice
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{\an7}and diverse exercise of freedom.
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{\an7}- Evan is the extremely unique
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hguy
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{\an7}\h\hwho, as he realized
he was gay, he was like,
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{\an7}I am gay and I am being treated
unequally.
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{\an7}What’s the matter with
the rest of the world?
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{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- So, this is my
neighborhood, this is my street,
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{\an7}we used to walk up here
\hto elementary school.
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{\an7}We felt part of a community,
\h\h\h\hsupported and loved.
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{\an7}So, very, very lucky.
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{\an7}Very lucky.
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{\an7}I grew up in a loving family.
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{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\hWe were certainly
Jewish-identified and I had a
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{\an7}Bar Mitzvah
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{\an7}and we went to Jewish summer
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hcamp,
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{\an7}\h\h\h\h\hbut we weren’t an
intensely religious family.
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{\an7}But the values were there.
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{\an7}Bring your part.
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{\an7}Mend the world.
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{\an7}Care for others.
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{\an7}Be a mensch.
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{\an7}- [Joan] Evan was always very
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hbright.
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{\an7}\h\h\hYou know, he would try
to help out and all of that.
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{\an7}You were an A-okay kid.
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{\an7}(laughing)
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{\an7}- I always used to say some day
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{\an7}he was gonna be President
\h\hof the United States.
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{\an7}\h\h- He was supposed to be
the first Jewish President.
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{\an7}In fact I remember when
\hhe was four years old,
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{\an7}\hmaybe four years old, and he
was reading The New York Times.
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{\an7}\h\hNot only was he reading
it, he was understanding it.
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{\an7}- And when he went away to the
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hPeace Corps
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{\an7}\hand then came home was when
he announced that he was gay.
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{\an7}And then we thought, I am not
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hsure
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{\an7}he is gonna be President,
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{\an7}but he is gonna be something.
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{\an7}- It was clear to me that
he was gonna be a winner,
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{\an7}and he is so far.
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{\an7}- So far!
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{\an7}Knock on wood.
\h\h- So far.
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{\an7}No, it’s true.
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{\an7}(light hopeful music)
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{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h- We now have oral
arguments set for April 28th
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{\an7}\hand we’re gonna be doing
a national television ad.
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{\an7}It’s not a done deal.
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{\an7}The Supreme Court does not just
look at the Constitution
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{\an7}and give an answer.
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{\an7}You have to earn your way
to being considered worthy
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{\an7}of equal protection.
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{\an7}\h\h\h- And so our teams
are preparing the briefs
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{\an7}so the court hears from all of
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hAmerica,
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{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\hbusiness leaders,
clergy, civil rights leaders,
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{\an7}to give them the arguments and
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hthe comfort
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{\an7}of knowing that the country is
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hready.
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{\an7}- [Man] I think that most of
\hthose companies will join.
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{\an7}\h\h- And we’re trying to
build on the sports teams
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{\an7}that have signed on, you
know, the Tampa Bay Rays
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{\an7}are super-enthusiastic and, you
know.
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{\an7}- The question isn’t just, will
we win?
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{\an7}\hIt’s, how did we get
to this moment at all?
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{\an7}(ticking)
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{\an7}- In a national telephone
\hpoll earlier this year,
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{\an7}NBC news found that a narrow
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hmajority felt
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{\an7}that homosexuality was immoral.
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{\an7}- We were perverts and outcasts.
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{\an7}We were dangerous, we were
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hthreatening.
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{\an7}That was the dominant narrative
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{\an7}of LGBT people in this society.
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{\an7}- Most Americans are repelled
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{\an7}by the mere notion of
\h\h\hhomosexuality.
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{\an7}The average homosexual
\his not interested in
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{\an7}nor capable of a lasting
\h\h\h\h\h\hrelationship
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{\an7}like that of a heterosexual
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hmarriage.
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{\an7}- Gays were the dregs, the low
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hof the low,
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{\an7}just people to be shat upon,
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{\an7}the people to be abused by the
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hpolice,
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{\an7}people to be arrested.
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{\an7}There were no legal protections
in place,
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{\an7}\hand it was so stigmatized,
it was a bad way back then.
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{\an7}- [Woman] What do you
want the police to do?
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{\an7}- We want them off our backs.
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{\an7}We want them to stop harassing
\hus, stop pushing us around.
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{\an7}- The first wave of marriage
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hlitigation
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{\an7}was in the immediate aftermath
\hof the Stonewall rebellion.
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{\an7}- [Men] He got away with murder!
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{\an7}He got away with murder!
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{\an7}- [Man] We want the freedoms,
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{\an7}the freedoms to love that belong
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{\an7}to the heterosexuals in this
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hcountry,
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{\an7}and we’re going to have them.
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{\an7}\h\h\h- In that movement
were several major cases
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{\an7}seeking the freedom to marry.
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{\an7}All of those cases were
\hrubber-stamped away.
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{\an7}\h\h\h\h- [Man] Officials turned
them down flat, stating bluntly,
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{\an7}\h\h\h"A marital relationship
cannot exist between faggots."
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{\an7}- They were laughed out of
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hcourt.
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{\an7}People had no idea what
being gay was back then,
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{\an7}and what they knew was terrible.
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{\an7}(ticking)
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{\an7}- In 1983, while at Harvard Law
School,
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{\an7}\h\h\h\hI wrote my thesis on gay
people and the freedom to marry.
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{\an7}\hI argued that, by claiming
this vocabulary of marriage,
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{\an7}\h\h\hwe would be achieving
an engine of transformation
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{\an7}\h\h\h\hthat would help change
non-gay people’s understanding
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{\an7}of who gay people are.
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{\an7}- And when you read that thesis,
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{\an7}\hit’s amazing how the
vision and the roadmap
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{\an7}of how we get to where we’re
today has really come to be.
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{\an7}But back in 1983, most people
\hthought it was ridiculous.
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{\an7}- When Evan wrote his paper,
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{\an7}trying to win marriage equality
was not even on the radar
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{\an7}of the gay movement.
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{\an7}\h\hHe went through years
of being really ridiculed
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{\an7}\hby many people who would
literally laugh in his face
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{\an7}and just say, "That’s
\h\h\h\h\hridiculous.
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{\an7}"It’s never gonna happen."
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{\an7}- When I wrote my paper back in
1983,
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{\an7}there were very, very
few gay organizations.
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{\an7}They were just beginning
\hto make some progress,
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{\an7}and here comes AIDS.
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{\an7}The lifestyle of some male
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hhomosexuals
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{\an7}has triggered an epidemic.
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{\an7}- Tens and tens of thousands
\h\h\hof people were dying.
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{\an7}- And AIDS shattered the silence
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{\an7}about gay people’s lives, and
that transformed our movement
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{\an7}from being a movement in which
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{\an7}what we were really asking
\hfor was to be let alone,
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{\an7}\h\hdon’t arrest us, don’t
harass us, don’t attack us,
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{\an7}to a movement about being let
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hin.
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{\an7}(ticking)
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{\an7}- [Man] Three gay couples,
\htwo men and four women,
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{\an7}sued Hawaii’s Department of
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hPublic Health
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{\an7}to overturn the ban on same-sex
marriages.
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{\an7}- It was in 1990 that Genora
asked me to marry her and--
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{\an7}- They reached out to me and
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hsaid,
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{\an7}"Would you be interested
\h\hin doing this case?"
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{\an7}\h\h\h\hAnd some believed
that the time wasn’t right
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{\an7}\h\h\h\hand some believed not
the right thing to fight for.
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{\an7}- I mean, people were very
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hafraid
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{\an7}\h\h\hand thought that we
would generate a backlash.
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{\an7}\hWell, that it was hopeless,
there is no way we would win.
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{\an7}- The case is about ending
\h\h\h\h\h\hdiscrimination
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{\an7}to citizens of this nation
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{\an7}\h\h\h\hand we believe we will
prevail in the State of Hawaii.
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{\an7}Thank you.
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{\an7}- Dan and I really bonded and
we began to really strategize
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{\an7}about how to win this case in
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hHawaii
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{\an7}and how to leverage this case
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hin Hawaii
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{\an7}for the national implications
\h\h\h\h\hthat it would have.
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{\an7}- He had been thinking about
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hthis
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{\an7}and writing about this for a
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hdecade,
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{\an7}\hso, he was ready to help
make a really powerful case
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{\an7}to the Hawaii Supreme Court and
they won.
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{\an7}They won.
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{\an7}\h\h- [Man] A Honolulu judge
told Hawaii state government
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{\an7}it cannot deny a marriage
\hlicense to gay couples.
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{\an7}- Today the court in Hawaii
\hhas struck a strong blow
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{\an7}\hagainst discrimination
in marriage based on sex.
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{\an7}- The win in Hawaii at the
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hcourt level
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{\an7}was Evan’s vision completely
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hvindicated.
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{\an7}- So, that’s when the marriage
\h\hmovement really got going.
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{\an7}\h\h\hPeople saw that this
wasn’t simply a pipe dream.
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{\an7}But gay people never married in
Hawaii.
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{\an7}The political system shut it
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hdown.
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{\an7}\h\h- Are we so wise today
that we’re ready to reject
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{\an7}5,000 years od recorded history?
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{\an7}I don’t think so.
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{\an7}\h\h\h\h- Congress said oh my
God, this really could happen.
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{\an7}\h\hSo they said, federal
government doesn’t respect
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{\an7}these marriages, and it moved
\hthrough Congress so quickly.
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{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h- [Man] President
Clinton has signed the bill
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{\an7}that bans the federal government
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{\an7}from recognizing same-sex
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hmarriages.
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{\an7}- [Woman] The so-called
Defense of Marriage Act
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{\an7}\h\hdefines marriage as union
between one man and one woman.
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{\an7}- Even though we experienced a
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hbacklash,
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{\an7}\hEvan understood the power
of it and he never wavered.
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{\an7}- Back then people called him
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{\an7}the Paul Revere of gay marriage.
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{\an7}You know, marriage is coming,
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{\an7}marriage is coming, marriage is
coming.
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{\an7}- Marriage has a host
of legal and economic
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{\an7}\h\h\has well as social benefits
and protections attached with it
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{\an7}that lesbians and gay men are
automatically denied every day
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{\an7}because we cannot get married.
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{\an7}- And I think he felt like his
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\htrue gift
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{\an7}was to be The Marriage Guy.
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{\an7}- Why is it so important
\h\hto attain, for gays,
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{\an7}the institution of marriage?
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{\an7}\h- Marriage, we have long
recognized in this country,
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{\an7}\his a basic human right and a
very important personal choice
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{\an7}and gay people want to make
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hthat choice
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{\an7}with the person they love
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{\an7}for the same mix of reasons
\h\hthat non-gay people do.
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{\an7}I knew that this wasn’t just a
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hcase
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{\an7}and it wasn’t just about Hawaii.
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{\an7}It was a national conversation
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{\an7}and became a global conversation
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{\an7}that was gonna change
\h\h\h\h\heverything.
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{\an7}(light hopeful music)
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{\an7}- [Thalia] I guess you could say
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{\an7}\hif Evan is the godfather
of the marriage movement,
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{\an7}Mary Bonauto is the godmother.
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{\an7}- Mary was hired by GLAD
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{\an7}as our first civil rights
\h\h\h\h\hproject lawyer.
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{\an7}\h\h- I started because
Massachusetts had become
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{\an7}the second state to enact
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{\an7}a non-discrimination law,
\h\h\h\h\hNovember 1989.
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{\an7}- One of the first things
that came across her desk
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{\an7}\has a GLAD attorney was
a request to get married.
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{\an7}\h\hI felt awful telling people
that I would not represent them
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{\an7}in marriage litigation and, of
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hcourse,
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{\an7}every time I got one of those
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hcalls,
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{\an7}it was anxiety-producing.
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{\an7}I took it very seriously.
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{\an7}I just didn’t think it was the
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hright time.
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{\an7}\h\h\h\h\hHawaii was a wake-up
call to people like me to say,
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{\an7}wow, the issue is on the table.
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{\an7}We have to go for it.
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{\an7}\hI came out in college and it
wasn’t the easiest coming out.
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{\an7}\h\hIt became clear to me
right away that there was,
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{\an7}\h\h\h\hthere was massive
discrimination out there.
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{\an7}\h\hAnd it was the one thing
that finally made sense to me
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{\an7}and really made me happy,
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{\an7}\hbut other people were
really unhappy about it.
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{\an7}My parents said, "When
\hsomething is wrong,
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{\an7}"you should do something to
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hchange it."
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{\an7}\h- We really connected
on that first day we met
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{\an7}at this first round-table
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hgathering
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{\an7}of the Small Movement
\h\h\h\h\hLeadership.
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{\an7}And she shared a similar view.
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{\an7}- I definitely felt like I was
\h\h\hin the big leagues here.
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{\an7}I felt a little intimidated,
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{\an7}so his warmth meant the world
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hto me
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{\an7}and we discovered in short order
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{\an7}\hthat we both thought this
was a very important issue.
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{\an7}- I mean, she has dedicated her
life
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{\an7}to thinking about these issues,
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{\an7}briefing these issues,
arguing these issues.
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{\an7}- [Gary] I think that’s a pretty
strong argument, actually.
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{\an7}- Hopefully, that gives you a
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hheads-up
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{\an7}\h\h\h\has this proceeds to
scheduling for oral argument
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{\an7}and we’ll go from there.
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{\an7}Thank you.
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{\an7}- Okay.
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{\an7}(bright music)
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{\an7}- The United States Supreme
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hCourt
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{\an7}\h\h\h\his gonna settle the gay
marriage issue once and for all.
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{\an7}- Yeah, the justices will hear
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hfour cases
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{\an7}on the issue this spring,
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{\an7}\h\hincluding one brought by a
lesbian couple from Hazel Park.
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{\an7}\h\h\h- So in this case, we’re
actually arguing two questions.
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{\an7}Number one, is it okay for
\hstates to ban gays from
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{\an7}marrying?
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{\an7}\h\h\h\hAnd number two, is it
okay for states to not respect
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{\an7}legal marriages performed in
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hother states?
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{\an7}\h- I represent April DeBoer
and Jayne Rowse from Michigan
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{\an7}who are seeking to marry under
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hstate law.
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{\an7}\hWe hope to settle this
issue once and for all,
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{\an7}so that in Michigan and the
\h\h\h\h\h\hentire nation,
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{\an7}same-sex couples may marry.
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{\an7}- [Jayne] Everything we have
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hdone
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{\an7}or are doing is for our kids.
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{\an7}- Hi, Mommy.
\h\h\h- Hi.
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{\an7}- Mommy!
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{\an7}- Did you have breakfast?
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{\an7}- Yes.
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{\an7}- Oh.
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{\an7}- I had toast.
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{\an7}- Toast?
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{\an7}(laughing)
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{\an7}- Between the two of us,
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{\an7}Jayne and I have four adopted
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hchildren
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{\an7}and we currently have one
\h\h\h\h\h\hfoster child
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{\an7}that will be adopted soon.
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{\an7}Well, legally, Jacob and
\hNolan belong to Jayne,
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{\an7}and Ryanne and Rylee belong to
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hme.
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{\an7}We’re a family together,
\hbut strictly on paper,
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{\an7}that’s the way it goes.
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{\an7}- [Jayne] The law in Michigan
is, married couples can adopt,
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{\an7}single people can adopt,
but two unmarried people
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{\an7}cannot jointly adopt.
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{\an7}Which is what, obviously, we’re
considered
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{\an7}\h\hbecause gay marriage is
not recognized in Michigan.
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{\an7}(laughing)
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{\an7}- April is a NICU nurse, Jayne
\his an emergency-room nurse.
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{\an7}They took in children who
had either been abandoned
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{\an7}or you know, surrendered at
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hbirth.
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{\an7}- Can you say hi?
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{\an7}Say, hi.
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{\an7}- Hi.
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{\an7}- Say, I am Rylee.
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{\an7}I am Rylee.
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{\an7}Can you blow a kiss?
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{\an7}- Muah.
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{\an7}- There you go.
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{\an7}\h\h\h\hShe came into our
life through foster care.
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{\an7}She has asthma, chronic ear
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hinfections.
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{\an7}She is going back for
surgery for her ears.
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{\an7}- They brought Jacob home.
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{\an7}Basically, the hospital let
\hthem take him home to die.
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{\an7}No one expected for him to live.
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{\an7}\h\hHe was drug-addicted, he
weighed 1.9 pounds at birth.
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{\an7}They just nursed him back to
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hhealth.
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{\an7}He is thriving, they are all
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hthriving.
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{\an7}\h\hThey are energetic,
talkative, healthy kids.
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{\an7}\h\hBy the time they go to
bed, I’m pretty exhausted.
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{\an7}- Mama.
- What?
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{\an7}- I want more milk.
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{\an7}- You want more milk?
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Yeah.
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{\an7}- Okay, can I finish talking?
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{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h- Yeah.
- Okay, thank you.
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{\an7}- So they’re asked by
the State of Michigan,
399
00:18:45,270 --> 00:18:48,230
{\an7}\hcan you take this baby in
and take care of this baby?
400
00:18:48,270 --> 00:18:52,110
{\an7}But then when they want to
adopt these children as a
401
00:18:52,150 --> 00:18:53,150
{\an7}couple,
402
00:18:53,190 --> 00:18:53,940
{\an7}they’re prohibited from doing
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hso.
403
00:18:53,980 --> 00:18:56,610
{\an7}- Something happens to me
404
00:18:56,650 --> 00:19:00,110
{\an7}\h\h\hand my daughters get
moved to a different house
405
00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,530
{\an7}\h\hand there is no legal
action that can be taken.
406
00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:09,830
{\an7}\h\hThink about those kids
that could, in an instant,
407
00:19:10,170 --> 00:19:12,330
{\an7}lose everything that they know.
408
00:19:14,290 --> 00:19:16,300
{\an7}- I couldn’t do nothing.
409
00:19:16,340 --> 00:19:18,130
{\an7}I was embarrassed to be a lawyer
410
00:19:18,170 --> 00:19:20,630
{\an7}in a state that treated people
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hthis badly.
411
00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:24,640
{\an7}\h- Are you so different
or dangerous or deficient
412
00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:29,140
{\an7}in some way, so other still,
\hthat you can’t participate
413
00:19:29,180 --> 00:19:32,650
{\an7}in something that is really
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hconsidered
414
00:19:32,690 --> 00:19:36,820
{\an7}a fundamental right for all
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hAmericans?
415
00:19:36,860 --> 00:19:41,360
{\an7}- I hope we will win this case,
but yeah nothing is certain.
416
00:19:43,660 --> 00:19:45,830
{\an7}- We weren’t gonna stand still
417
00:19:45,870 --> 00:19:49,330
{\an7}and let our children be
\hdiscriminated against.
418
00:19:49,370 --> 00:19:51,500
{\an7}We were gonna do what
we promised them to do
419
00:19:51,540 --> 00:19:53,630
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\hand we were gonna
protect them no matter what.
420
00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,840
{\an7}\h\h- [Reporter] This is
eyewitness news Up Close.
421
00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,340
{\an7}\h\h\h- Legalizing same-sex
marriage, again a hot topic
422
00:20:01,380 --> 00:20:03,640
{\an7}\hboth in our area and
all around the country.
423
00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,180
{\an7}- We’re all Americans, we’re
all entitled to basic rights
424
00:20:06,220 --> 00:20:07,510
{\an7}and protections and we don’t
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hput that
425
00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:08,640
{\an7}up to an up or down vote.
426
00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,270
{\an7}- But all of us agree on that
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hissue,
427
00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:11,770
{\an7}\h\h\h\hwe agree that we have
civil rights, the question is,
428
00:20:11,810 --> 00:20:13,480
{\an7}\hwhether there is a civil
right to redefine marriage,
429
00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:14,770
{\an7}and we disagree on that.
430
00:20:14,810 --> 00:20:16,360
{\an7}- Well, the people have voted,
431
00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:17,860
{\an7}the people elected legislators.
432
00:20:17,900 --> 00:20:20,320
{\an7}They elected legislators to do
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\htheir job.
433
00:20:20,360 --> 00:20:22,700
{\an7}If the legislators don’t do
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\htheir job.
434
00:20:22,740 --> 00:20:24,700
{\an7}- In this country, we’re
\h\h\h\h\hgenerally free
435
00:20:24,740 --> 00:20:25,950
{\an7}to live as we choose.
436
00:20:25,990 --> 00:20:28,540
{\an7}Gays and lesbians can live
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\htogether.
437
00:20:28,580 --> 00:20:31,330
{\an7}They have general freedom to
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hlive
438
00:20:31,370 --> 00:20:32,870
{\an7}as all of us have freedom to
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hlive.
439
00:20:32,910 --> 00:20:35,210
{\an7}\h\h\hThey don’t have the
right to redefine marriage
440
00:20:35,250 --> 00:20:36,710
{\an7}for the rest of society.
441
00:20:36,750 --> 00:20:39,550
{\an7}- I believe, as so many
\hsocial scientists do,
442
00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:41,010
{\an7}that if you want to take care
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hof children,
443
00:20:41,260 --> 00:20:42,550
{\an7}if you want to have a nation
444
00:20:42,590 --> 00:20:45,390
{\an7}that’s strong in the future,
445
00:20:45,430 --> 00:20:48,510
{\an7}you have got to have strong
families in our communities
446
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,390
{\an7}\h\h\hwho raise up children who
have the kind of cultural values
447
00:20:52,430 --> 00:20:55,230
{\an7}\h\h\h\hthat will make them
good citizens in the future.
448
00:20:55,270 --> 00:20:59,230
{\an7}\hAnd unless you have a strong
influence from a mom and a dad,
449
00:20:59,270 --> 00:21:01,900
{\an7}\h\hthey are not gonna grow
up into the kind of citizens
450
00:21:01,940 --> 00:21:04,530
{\an7}that it takes to be a strong
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hcountry.
451
00:21:04,570 --> 00:21:06,360
{\an7}- Gay people don’t want to
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hmarry people
452
00:21:06,410 --> 00:21:08,490
{\an7}of the opposite gender.
453
00:21:08,530 --> 00:21:11,870
{\an7}And the reason for that
is because they are gay!
454
00:21:11,910 --> 00:21:15,540
{\an7}\hSo they want to be with
the person that they love
455
00:21:15,580 --> 00:21:17,830
{\an7}and they are gonna continue to
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hdo that.
456
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,670
{\an7}\h\hThey are just gonna do
it without the same rights,
457
00:21:20,710 --> 00:21:22,960
{\an7}securities and protections
\h\h\h\h\has other people.
458
00:21:23,300 --> 00:21:26,760
{\an7}\h- The church and many
other faiths don’t teach
459
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,680
{\an7}that we’re to hate or demean
\hpeople for their choices,
460
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,430
{\an7}but we do teach that there,
461
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,600
{\an7}\h\h\hthat there are differences
between orientation and actions.
462
00:21:37,650 --> 00:21:39,690
{\an7}\h\hAnd some people don’t
want to hear this anymore,
463
00:21:39,730 --> 00:21:41,270
{\an7}it makes them very upset,
464
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,280
{\an7}but this is the traditional
\hteaching of Christianity.
465
00:21:46,990 --> 00:21:51,330
{\an7}\hThat if we feel that we’re
oriented towards the same sex
466
00:21:54,450 --> 00:21:55,960
{\an7}that we’re called not to act on
that.
467
00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,460
{\an7}And that is a big cross for
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hmany to bear.
468
00:22:00,500 --> 00:22:02,460
{\an7}But that’s what our faith is.
469
00:22:02,500 --> 00:22:05,470
{\an7}\h\h\h\hIt’s not supposed to be
easy, it’s not even necessarily
470
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:08,010
{\an7}supposed to feel as if
it’s humanly possible.
471
00:22:14,470 --> 00:22:17,730
{\an7}\h- The amicus briefs are
due in a week and a half,
472
00:22:17,770 --> 00:22:21,400
{\an7}oral arguments are likely
to be at the end of April.
473
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,610
{\an7}- Are you pricing out the ad
that we want to do to again,
474
00:22:24,650 --> 00:22:26,490
{\an7}sort of meta-frame the--
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Yeah.
475
00:22:26,530 --> 00:22:29,320
{\an7}Washington Post ad would cost,
476
00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:32,910
{\an7}between 60 and slightly over
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h100.
477
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:34,740
{\an7}When I jumped into the marriage
fight,
478
00:22:34,790 --> 00:22:35,830
{\an7}I certainly didn’t know it was
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hgonna be
479
00:22:35,870 --> 00:22:37,660
{\an7}the next 14 years of my life.
480
00:22:37,710 --> 00:22:39,460
{\an7}You know, I had done political
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hactivism
481
00:22:39,500 --> 00:22:43,630
{\an7}\hbut marriage just felt
so viscerally important.
482
00:22:46,050 --> 00:22:50,840
{\an7}\h\h\hI grew up in Kansas City,
Missouri in a liberal household.
483
00:22:50,890 --> 00:22:52,680
{\an7}I’d play in the baseball league
484
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,100
{\an7}and the basketball league there.
485
00:22:54,140 --> 00:22:56,680
{\an7}It was a good place to be.
486
00:22:56,730 --> 00:23:00,770
{\an7}\h\h- He wouldn’t be wearing
a suit like that except for.
487
00:23:00,810 --> 00:23:02,060
{\an7}Yeah, this is right.
488
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,530
{\an7}\h\h- Well, my mom passed
away about six years ago.
489
00:23:05,570 --> 00:23:07,360
{\an7}Father and I are still tight.
490
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,030
{\an7}We are die-hard Kansas City
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hRoyals fans.
491
00:23:11,070 --> 00:23:12,030
{\an7}Are you kidding me?
492
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:12,870
{\an7}Gone.
493
00:23:12,910 --> 00:23:13,700
{\an7}- Oh!
494
00:23:13,740 --> 00:23:14,870
{\an7}God damn it.
495
00:23:14,910 --> 00:23:16,540
{\an7}- Wow.
496
00:23:16,580 --> 00:23:18,500
{\an7}There is no question I’m the
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\honly gay guy
497
00:23:18,540 --> 00:23:19,870
{\an7}walking around Chelsea
498
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,460
{\an7}\hlistening to the Kansas
City Royals on my iPhone.
499
00:23:22,500 --> 00:23:24,380
{\an7}(men cheering)
500
00:23:24,420 --> 00:23:25,800
{\an7}All right.
501
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,880
{\an7}\h\hSo, this weekend was my
30-year high school reunion
502
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,550
{\an7}and I was invited to give
\hthe alumni-day speech.
503
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:32,550
{\an7}Hi.
504
00:23:32,590 --> 00:23:35,390
{\an7}- Ready for sound-check?
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Sure.
505
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:38,560
{\an7}\h\h\hOoh, the auditorium looks
a lot better than the old days.
506
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,900
{\an7}\h\hOne of the administrators
told me about her gay brother
507
00:23:41,940 --> 00:23:43,560
{\an7}who got married in Seattle.
508
00:23:43,610 --> 00:23:45,400
{\an7}\h\h\h- You being here is
not just important for us
509
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,570
{\an7}to learn as a school and
\hto welcome back alumni
510
00:23:47,610 --> 00:23:49,570
{\an7}but you made my family.
511
00:23:49,610 --> 00:23:50,450
{\an7}- Oh.
512
00:23:51,450 --> 00:23:52,530
{\an7}Well, thank you, it’s--
513
00:23:52,570 --> 00:23:53,410
{\an7}- No, thank you.
514
00:23:53,450 --> 00:23:54,530
{\an7}- Yeah, awesome!
515
00:23:55,450 --> 00:23:56,740
{\an7}Oh!
516
00:23:56,790 --> 00:23:59,000
{\an7}It was a huge change from 30
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hyears ago.
517
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,080
{\an7}- Please welcome Marc
Solomon to the stage.
518
00:24:02,120 --> 00:24:03,670
{\an7}(audience applauding)
519
00:24:03,710 --> 00:24:05,710
{\an7}- I think all alumni will
\hsay they can’t believe
520
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:08,590
{\an7}\h\h\hit’s been 30 years
since they’ve been here.
521
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:11,090
{\an7}\h\h\h\hWhat I remember is
sitting in these same seats
522
00:24:11,130 --> 00:24:14,010
{\an7}\h\hwith a secret that I felt
like I couldn’t tell anybody.
523
00:24:14,050 --> 00:24:15,430
{\an7}I first thought I was gay
524
00:24:15,470 --> 00:24:17,100
{\an7}around the time I was 12 years
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hold.
525
00:24:17,140 --> 00:24:19,600
{\an7}\h\h\hI remember getting
ready for my Bar Mitzvah
526
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,600
{\an7}and I started to go to Bar
\h\h\h\h\hMitzvah parties
527
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,440
{\an7}but I couldn’t tell anybody.
528
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,440
{\an7}I didn’t know anybody who was
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hgay.
529
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,070
{\an7}Gay was bad.
530
00:24:28,110 --> 00:24:30,240
{\an7}In college, even though my
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hparents
531
00:24:30,490 --> 00:24:32,450
{\an7}were activist liberal democrats,
532
00:24:32,490 --> 00:24:35,780
{\an7}I decided that I liked Ronald
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hReagan,
533
00:24:35,820 --> 00:24:38,120
{\an7}thinking that if I were
\h\ha tough Republican,
534
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:39,740
{\an7}sort of masculine,
535
00:24:39,790 --> 00:24:41,450
{\an7}\h\hthen that would make sure
that people don’t think of me
536
00:24:41,500 --> 00:24:44,790
{\an7}as someone who is effeminate or
gay.
537
00:24:46,500 --> 00:24:49,630
{\an7}I dated women, I tried
\h\h\hpsychoanalysis.
538
00:24:49,670 --> 00:24:51,460
{\an7}I really said to myself,
539
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:56,930
{\an7}\hI am gonna try to figure
out a way to be straight.
540
00:24:56,970 --> 00:25:02,100
{\an7}I tried hard and I was as
gay at 30 as I was at 12,
541
00:25:02,140 --> 00:25:03,980
{\an7}and, but I tried.
542
00:25:04,020 --> 00:25:05,560
{\an7}I mean, I really tried.
543
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,020
{\an7}- He sent us a letter, I opened
it up,
544
00:25:09,270 --> 00:25:11,490
{\an7}and I just freaked out
\hand I called my wife
545
00:25:11,530 --> 00:25:13,990
{\an7}and she came home and then we
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hboth cried.
546
00:25:14,030 --> 00:25:18,160
{\an7}We never thought that he was
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hgay.
547
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,750
{\an7}\h\h\h\h- You know, my mom
was I think she was saddest
548
00:25:22,790 --> 00:25:27,000
{\an7}that I hadn’t felt comfortable
\h\h\h\h\htelling them before.
549
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:28,630
{\an7}You know, and then my father was
550
00:25:28,670 --> 00:25:31,170
{\an7}\h\h\h\ha little bit Homer
Simpson-esque, he was like,
551
00:25:31,210 --> 00:25:33,510
{\an7}so, tell me, like, when
you see a woman’s body,
552
00:25:33,550 --> 00:25:35,840
{\an7}it really just doesn’t
\hdo anything for you?
553
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,840
{\an7}He was like, even this
\hbeautiful hot model
554
00:25:37,890 --> 00:25:40,850
{\an7}\h\h\hwith beautiful breasts,
you just don’t feel anything?
555
00:25:40,890 --> 00:25:42,100
{\an7}And I was like, no.
556
00:25:42,140 --> 00:25:45,520
{\an7}And he was like, I just
\hcan’t understand that!
557
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,190
{\an7}- He can still throw a
\hfootball, you know,
558
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:50,230
{\an7}he can throw a football 60
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hyards,
559
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:53,860
{\an7}whatever in the hell that means.
560
00:25:53,900 --> 00:25:56,030
{\an7}- My question is, what would
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hyou tell
561
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:58,990
{\an7}your 16-year-old high school
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hself?
562
00:25:59,030 --> 00:26:01,660
{\an7}- I guess what I would say is,
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hit’s okay.
563
00:26:01,700 --> 00:26:04,040
{\an7}It’s okay to be, you know,
that you are who you are.
564
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,210
{\an7}\h\h\hWhen you’re ready to
come out, you know, do it,
565
00:26:06,250 --> 00:26:08,790
{\an7}but it’s okay to be who you are.
566
00:26:08,830 --> 00:26:11,210
{\an7}Well, anyhow, thank you guys so
much and--
567
00:26:11,250 --> 00:26:14,590
{\an7}(audience applauding)
568
00:26:18,090 --> 00:26:20,220
{\an7}- Yeah, I am very proud of Marc.
569
00:26:20,260 --> 00:26:21,890
{\an7}He is freeing his people.
570
00:26:23,770 --> 00:26:25,770
{\an7}Just like, just like Moses.
571
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:33,730
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h- [Woman] You know,
we’re trying really to identify
572
00:26:33,780 --> 00:26:37,570
{\an7}business leaders and clearly
everybody agreed by getting
573
00:26:37,610 --> 00:26:40,160
{\an7}\h\h\hTampa Bay to be one of
those voices would be great.
574
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,740
{\an7}\h- They really want to be
seen as the leaders on this
575
00:26:42,780 --> 00:26:46,330
{\an7}\h\hso I can, do you want
me to, do you want me to,
576
00:26:46,370 --> 00:26:48,670
{\an7}\htee that up with the
president of the team?
577
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:51,710
{\an7}\h\h\h\hThe more pro-sports
teams, the more Republicans,
578
00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:56,880
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\hthe more businesses we
can show, the better off we are.
579
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,760
{\an7}We want to show the Supreme
Court that America is ready
580
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,100
{\an7}for a national ruling.
581
00:27:03,140 --> 00:27:05,720
{\an7}\h\h- While our litigators
are doing their really deep
582
00:27:05,770 --> 00:27:08,230
{\an7}and great work, we’re working
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hto make sure
583
00:27:08,270 --> 00:27:10,940
{\an7}that everything that can be
\hdone outside the courtroom
584
00:27:10,980 --> 00:27:12,610
{\an7}will be done.
585
00:27:12,650 --> 00:27:14,610
{\an7}- You know, I’ll touch
base in a couple days
586
00:27:14,650 --> 00:27:17,190
{\an7}and let you know what, let
you know how we’re doing.
587
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,320
{\an7}(ticking)
588
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,700
{\an7}I got involved with a
small grassroots group
589
00:27:23,740 --> 00:27:26,790
{\an7}\hcalled the Massachusetts
Freedom To Marry coalition.
590
00:27:26,830 --> 00:27:29,040
{\an7}It was right around the
time that seven couples
591
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,420
{\an7}went to file for marriage
licenses in Massachusetts.
592
00:27:32,670 --> 00:27:35,130
{\an7}\h\hThey were all denied, and
Mary Bonauto, on their behalf,
593
00:27:35,170 --> 00:27:36,880
{\an7}filed a lawsuit for marriage.
594
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,130
{\an7}- [Crowd] Let the people vote!
595
00:27:38,170 --> 00:27:39,300
{\an7}- [Reporter] Massachusetts
\h\h\h\hbecame the latest
596
00:27:39,340 --> 00:27:41,130
{\an7}\h\h\hbattleground state
over the right to marry,
597
00:27:41,180 --> 00:27:44,640
{\an7}\hafter seven same-sex
couples sued the state.
598
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,310
{\an7}- Now, finally, these couples.
599
00:27:46,350 --> 00:27:49,980
{\an7}I argued the Goodridge case
\hand I knew when I stood up
600
00:27:50,020 --> 00:27:53,650
{\an7}in court I needed to remind
\h\hthem that we were here
601
00:27:53,690 --> 00:27:57,230
{\an7}seeking marriage and that
\h\h\h\h\hmarriage itself
602
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,240
{\an7}is a commitment and a
\h\h\h\h\hprotection.
603
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,990
{\an7}\hAnd then in November 2003,
I am on my way to a hearing
604
00:28:05,030 --> 00:28:09,000
{\an7}\hin Connecticut and I
get the call from Evan.
605
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:10,660
{\an7}(audience applauding) (audience
cheering)
606
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:11,830
{\an7}- Today, in Massachusetts,
607
00:28:11,870 --> 00:28:13,330
{\an7}for the first time in US
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hhistory,
608
00:28:13,370 --> 00:28:19,010
{\an7}the civil marriage laws of a
\hstate do not exclude gays.
609
00:28:19,050 --> 00:28:21,130
{\an7}\h\h\h- [Reporter] Just after
midnight thousands celebrated
610
00:28:21,170 --> 00:28:24,260
{\an7}what was once just a dream.
611
00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:28,430
{\an7}\h- May 17th, 2004 was the
most remarkable day ever.
612
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:30,850
{\an7}\hIt was the first day of
marriages in the country.
613
00:28:30,890 --> 00:28:33,350
{\an7}It was just unbelievable.
614
00:28:33,390 --> 00:28:36,190
{\an7}- That was proof to bolster
615
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:38,150
{\an7}what Evan had been saying for a
long time,
616
00:28:38,190 --> 00:28:39,860
{\an7}that, yeah, this could happen,
617
00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:40,900
{\an7}we could do it.
618
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,200
{\an7}(audience cheering)
619
00:28:49,370 --> 00:28:51,370
{\an7}- We also had the whole world
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hagainst us.
620
00:28:52,910 --> 00:28:54,870
{\an7}- Repent, repent!
621
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,880
{\an7}\h\h\h- There were people
from all over the country
622
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,130
{\an7}\h\h\hcarrying crosses in
front of the State House,
623
00:28:59,170 --> 00:29:00,380
{\an7}calling us evil.
624
00:29:00,420 --> 00:29:02,300
{\an7}A lot of people thought
\h\h\h\h\hsomething bad
625
00:29:02,340 --> 00:29:04,300
{\an7}was really gonna happen.
626
00:29:04,340 --> 00:29:05,220
{\an7}- [Crowd] Let the people vote!
627
00:29:05,260 --> 00:29:06,220
{\an7}Let the people vote!
628
00:29:06,260 --> 00:29:08,850
{\an7}- What the court is about to do
629
00:29:08,890 --> 00:29:13,140
{\an7}is unleash chaos on our society.
630
00:29:13,180 --> 00:29:14,730
{\an7}- And then what I remember the
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hmost
631
00:29:14,770 --> 00:29:17,730
{\an7}is all of these statements
coming in from everywhere
632
00:29:17,770 --> 00:29:20,020
{\an7}ripping this decision to shreds.
633
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:24,400
{\an7}- Marriage is an institution
\hbetween a man and a woman.
634
00:29:24,450 --> 00:29:28,410
{\an7}\h- Our nation must defend
the sanctity of marriage.
635
00:29:28,450 --> 00:29:29,910
{\an7}(audience applauding)
636
00:29:29,950 --> 00:29:32,410
{\an7}- It really felt like
it was life or death.
637
00:29:32,450 --> 00:29:34,830
{\an7}- And the whole strategy of our
opponents
638
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:36,750
{\an7}was to shut down every other
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hstate.
639
00:29:36,790 --> 00:29:39,040
{\an7}- The big story of the day,
\hthe New York State Senate
640
00:29:39,090 --> 00:29:41,880
{\an7}rejects legalizing same-sex
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hmarriage.
641
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,090
{\an7}\h\h\h- [Reporter] By a 20 to 14
margin, the state senate rejects
642
00:29:45,130 --> 00:29:48,090
{\an7}\ha bill to legalize gay
marriage in New Jersey.
643
00:29:48,140 --> 00:29:50,260
{\an7}- [Reporter] A new poll finds
\hopposition to gay marriage
644
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:52,430
{\an7}is actually growing in the
\h\h\h\h\h\hUnited States.
645
00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:55,770
{\an7}- [Reporter] 26 states have
\hconstitutional amendments
646
00:29:55,810 --> 00:29:57,770
{\an7}banning same-sex marriage.
647
00:29:57,810 --> 00:30:00,110
{\an7}- [Reporter] In California,
\h\h\hProposition 8 amends
648
00:30:00,150 --> 00:30:03,400
{\an7}the state constitution to
\hban same-sex marriage.
649
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,110
{\an7}- The battle has been won.
650
00:30:06,150 --> 00:30:09,950
{\an7}(audience applauding)
651
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:12,120
{\an7}- It was totally devastating.
652
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,500
{\an7}- That was the hardest
\hmoment of my career,
653
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:16,960
{\an7}because it felt like we turned
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\ha corner
654
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,000
{\an7}and it ended up being a U-turn.
655
00:30:22,170 --> 00:30:23,300
{\an7}- So it was at that point,
656
00:30:23,340 --> 00:30:25,220
{\an7}we said what we’re doing ain’t
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hworking,
657
00:30:25,260 --> 00:30:26,470
{\an7}and we’ve got to figure out how,
658
00:30:26,510 --> 00:30:28,300
{\an7}in terms of reaching people,
659
00:30:28,340 --> 00:30:30,550
{\an7}and, number two, we don’t have
660
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,010
{\an7}a national, a real national
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hcampaign.
661
00:30:34,850 --> 00:30:38,140
{\an7}\h\h\hFreedom To Marry was
still a small organization,
662
00:30:38,190 --> 00:30:40,480
{\an7}it was not raising money on its
own.
663
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,980
{\an7}It was a cajoler, a pusher, a
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hshover,
664
00:30:43,020 --> 00:30:45,990
{\an7}but not a real staffed campaign.
665
00:30:46,030 --> 00:30:47,280
{\an7}- So the funders convened it
666
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,160
{\an7}and it was held at Gill
\h\h\h\h\h\hFoundation.
667
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:54,040
{\an7}And idea of it was, can we get
\heverybody on the same page?
668
00:30:55,330 --> 00:30:57,410
{\an7}- Gay organizations are vastly
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\houtspent
669
00:30:57,460 --> 00:30:59,330
{\an7}by the opponents of equality.
670
00:30:59,370 --> 00:31:02,130
{\an7}\h\hAnd for us to really
achieve our equal rights,
671
00:31:02,170 --> 00:31:04,210
{\an7}we’re gonna have to increase
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hwhat we give,
672
00:31:04,250 --> 00:31:07,170
{\an7}\h\h\h\hwe’re gonna have to be
smarter, and, more importantly,
673
00:31:07,220 --> 00:31:10,010
{\an7}\hwe have to get the rest of
the gay community involved.
674
00:31:10,050 --> 00:31:13,180
{\an7}\h\h\h- And part of the
understanding, implicit,
675
00:31:13,220 --> 00:31:16,020
{\an7}was that if we were able to
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hcome together
676
00:31:16,060 --> 00:31:20,440
{\an7}\hand figure out a way forward
that the funders would back us.
677
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,270
{\an7}- We needed a single strategy.
678
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:26,190
{\an7}\h\h\h\hWe needed a leader, we
needed a level of coordination
679
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:28,030
{\an7}that we didn’t have before.
680
00:31:29,070 --> 00:31:30,530
{\an7}- Evan stepped up and did it.
681
00:31:30,570 --> 00:31:34,160
{\an7}\h\h\h- Evan made the decision
we needed to build internally,
682
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:40,370
{\an7}\h\h\ha political operation to
evaluate which states to go to,
683
00:31:40,420 --> 00:31:41,880
{\an7}to put together campaigns in
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hthose states,
684
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,540
{\an7}to raise and invest the money
685
00:31:43,580 --> 00:31:46,050
{\an7}\hthat would enable us
to win in these places.
686
00:31:46,090 --> 00:31:52,340
{\an7}\h\h\h\hThat’s when we really
transformed into this campaign
687
00:31:52,390 --> 00:31:53,800
{\an7}center.
688
00:31:53,850 --> 00:31:54,600
{\an7}\h- No one organization, no
one battle was gonna be able
689
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:55,600
{\an7}to fulfill this strategy.
690
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:57,890
{\an7}We needed this to become
\h\h\ha massive movement
691
00:31:57,930 --> 00:32:00,140
{\an7}in which everyone was doing
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\htheir part
692
00:32:00,180 --> 00:32:03,650
{\an7}but the movement is following a
strategy.
693
00:32:03,690 --> 00:32:06,480
{\an7}\h\hWe’re going to win the
freedom to marry nationwide
694
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,150
{\an7}by getting to the Supreme
Court with a strong case,
695
00:32:10,190 --> 00:32:13,360
{\an7}having built a critical mass of
states
696
00:32:13,410 --> 00:32:15,160
{\an7}and a critical mass of support
697
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,990
{\an7}\h\hto set the stage for the
Supreme Court to do its part
698
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,250
{\an7}\hand bring the country
to national resolution.
699
00:32:21,290 --> 00:32:25,210
{\an7}- So we funded endless amounts
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hof research
700
00:32:25,250 --> 00:32:30,210
{\an7}\hto really kind of dismantle
the foundations of homophobia.
701
00:32:30,260 --> 00:32:31,630
{\an7}- We did a lot of research.
702
00:32:31,670 --> 00:32:34,090
{\an7}Focus groups, polling, and
would ask straight people,
703
00:32:34,140 --> 00:32:35,600
{\an7}what does marriage mean to you?
704
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,600
{\an7}Well, love, commitment, family.
705
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,600
{\an7}And if you asked them the same
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hthing,
706
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,690
{\an7}Why do same-sex couples
\hwant to get married?
707
00:32:42,730 --> 00:32:46,400
{\an7}\h\h\h\hWell, it’s because of
insurance benefits and rights.
708
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,610
{\an7}So there was this huge
\h\h\h\h\hdisconnect.
709
00:32:48,650 --> 00:32:51,530
{\an7}\h- At its most simple, the
case that needed to be made
710
00:32:51,570 --> 00:32:57,950
{\an7}was we want to marry for the
same reasons you do, period.
711
00:32:57,990 --> 00:33:00,410
{\an7}Who are gay people in reality
\hand how do we really live?
712
00:33:00,450 --> 00:33:02,620
{\an7}And how are we like you?
713
00:33:04,330 --> 00:33:06,630
{\an7}- [Thalia] It was the stories,
\h\h\hit was showing couples,
714
00:33:06,670 --> 00:33:08,630
{\an7}it was showing their love and
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hshowing
715
00:33:08,670 --> 00:33:12,300
{\an7}their commitment to the world.
716
00:33:12,340 --> 00:33:14,630
{\an7}- We looked at what is
the most effective way
717
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,260
{\an7}of getting people to hear these
words.
718
00:33:17,300 --> 00:33:18,970
{\an7}How do you take a political
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hbattle
719
00:33:19,010 --> 00:33:20,470
{\an7}that’s happening over there
720
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,060
{\an7}to something that prompts people
721
00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:24,600
{\an7}\hto talk in their kitchen
table in more human terms.
722
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,270
{\an7}- And all of sudden, there we
were, really talking to people
723
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:30,650
{\an7}in a way that opened their
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hhearts
724
00:33:30,690 --> 00:33:32,570
{\an7}and really changed their minds.
725
00:33:32,610 --> 00:33:34,110
{\an7}- [Man] For the first time,
726
00:33:34,150 --> 00:33:37,320
{\an7}\h\h\ha majority of people
support same-sex marriage.
727
00:33:37,370 --> 00:33:40,330
{\an7}We looked at the map like a
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hchessboard
728
00:33:40,370 --> 00:33:44,460
{\an7}and every year we said we’re
\hgonna choose three states
729
00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:46,000
{\an7}to try to win this year.
730
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,000
{\an7}- [Man] The Washington D.C.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hCity Council
731
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,000
{\an7}overwhelmingly passed a bill
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hTuesday
732
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,000
{\an7}to approve same-sex unions.
733
00:33:52,050 --> 00:33:54,340
{\an7}- [Man] Ayes 33, Nays 29.
734
00:33:54,380 --> 00:33:56,090
{\an7}- Just in the last eight months,
735
00:33:56,130 --> 00:33:58,590
{\an7}six states have recognized gay
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hmarriages
736
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,680
{\an7}and politicians who once
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hopposed it
737
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,350
{\an7}are now supporting marriage
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hequality.
738
00:34:03,390 --> 00:34:05,350
{\an7}- We have finally won
the freedom to marry.
739
00:34:05,390 --> 00:34:07,730
{\an7}(audience applauding) (audience
cheering)
740
00:34:08,060 --> 00:34:09,810
{\an7}- [Woman] Maine has become the
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hfirst state
741
00:34:10,060 --> 00:34:12,360
{\an7}\h\hto legalize same-sex
marriage by popular vote.
742
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,530
{\an7}- We are standing here as equal
citizens!
743
00:34:15,570 --> 00:34:19,200
{\an7}(audience applauding) (audience
cheering)
744
00:34:19,240 --> 00:34:21,530
{\an7}- Now we had won in the courts,
745
00:34:21,580 --> 00:34:25,040
{\an7}in the legislature and at the
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hballot.
746
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,710
{\an7}- Would you call this a social
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hrevolution
747
00:34:26,750 --> 00:34:28,540
{\an7}or a cultural shift?
748
00:34:28,580 --> 00:34:30,130
{\an7}- Both.
749
00:34:30,170 --> 00:34:31,340
{\an7}\h- [Woman] I think that the
same-sex marriage advocates
750
00:34:31,380 --> 00:34:33,550
{\an7}\h\hhave done a credible
job of getting out there
751
00:34:33,590 --> 00:34:34,800
{\an7}and making their case.
752
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,380
{\an7}- [Man] And the other
side hasn’t been able
753
00:34:36,420 --> 00:34:37,760
{\an7}to do anything but thump the
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hBible.
754
00:34:39,260 --> 00:34:41,720
{\an7}\h\h- I think same-sex couples
should be able to get married.
755
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,720
{\an7}- DOMA is gone.
756
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,810
{\an7}\h- [Thalia] And I thought,
wow, it’s really happening.
757
00:34:46,850 --> 00:34:48,440
{\an7}It’s really happening.
758
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,650
{\an7}(bell tolling)
759
00:34:53,690 --> 00:34:54,530
{\an7}- What changed?
760
00:34:54,570 --> 00:34:56,070
{\an7}Why are we here?
761
00:34:56,110 --> 00:34:59,240
{\an7}\h\hWhy are we now winning the
freedom to marry in the courts
762
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,410
{\an7}and why are we so hopeful
763
00:35:01,450 --> 00:35:03,580
{\an7}as we head into the Supreme
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hCourt now?
764
00:35:03,620 --> 00:35:07,080
{\an7}It’s not the Constitution
\h\h\h\hthat has changed.
765
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,250
{\an7}What’s changed is our knowledge
766
00:35:09,290 --> 00:35:11,500
{\an7}of what it means to be lesbian
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hor gay.
767
00:35:11,540 --> 00:35:14,550
{\an7}There is no marriage without
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hengagement.
768
00:35:14,590 --> 00:35:16,760
{\an7}(audience applauding)
769
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,430
{\an7}\h\h- A big part of Evan’s
genius and what he realized
770
00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:23,100
{\an7}is that, in order to win in the
courts,
771
00:35:23,140 --> 00:35:26,350
{\an7}\h\h\hwe also have to win in
the court of public opinion.
772
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:28,770
{\an7}The two things go hand-in-hand.
773
00:35:28,810 --> 00:35:32,350
{\an7}- Often the court needs to have
a sense
774
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,110
{\an7}that not only is the language
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hthere,
775
00:35:35,150 --> 00:35:36,650
{\an7}but that the country is there.
776
00:35:41,660 --> 00:35:44,280
{\an7}- On Friday all of the
amicus briefs were due
777
00:35:44,330 --> 00:35:48,120
{\an7}into the court, you know,
\hthe coverage was great.
778
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,120
{\an7}\h\hYou know, Republicans,
enough new names to make--
779
00:35:51,170 --> 00:35:53,420
{\an7}- Yeah, well, thanks to you.
780
00:35:53,460 --> 00:35:54,670
{\an7}- We’re just a little over a
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hmonth away
781
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:56,800
{\an7}from being in front of
the US Supreme Court,
782
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,260
{\an7}\hand the biggest state to
not have marriage is Texas.
783
00:36:00,300 --> 00:36:02,800
{\an7}\h\h\hWe’ve budgeted for
another TV spot in Texas
784
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,310
{\an7}\hand we need to decide if
we want to do that or not.
785
00:36:06,350 --> 00:36:08,770
{\an7}- In a place like Texas, as
opposed to in the national,
786
00:36:08,810 --> 00:36:10,480
{\an7}sort of round-up.
787
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,650
{\an7}\hDo you want to try to
also say why, you know?
788
00:36:13,690 --> 00:36:15,230
{\an7}- Why Texas is ready?
789
00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:18,320
{\an7}- The argument in Texas is
these people are still not
790
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:19,030
{\an7}there.
791
00:36:19,070 --> 00:36:20,030
{\an7}You know, it’s unfair.
792
00:36:20,070 --> 00:36:21,860
{\an7}Why should Texans be left
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hbehind?
793
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,360
{\an7}- Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
794
00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:29,160
{\an7}\h- [Man] Good morning
and welcome, everyone.
795
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,500
{\an7}On behalf of Equality Texas,
796
00:36:30,540 --> 00:36:32,670
{\an7}I want to thank you all for
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hjoining us
797
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:35,840
{\an7}for today’s Family Advocacy day.
798
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,170
{\an7}- They say everything is bigger
in Texas.
799
00:36:38,210 --> 00:36:41,300
{\an7}I think that includes the
BS from your politicians,
800
00:36:41,340 --> 00:36:43,680
{\an7}\hwhich is bigger here in
Texas than anywhere else.
801
00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:45,850
{\an7}\h\h\hAnd so some of the
folks across the street,
802
00:36:45,890 --> 00:36:48,260
{\an7}\h\h\hthey might demagogue
the heck out of this stuff.
803
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:50,600
{\an7}\h\hBut know that because
of the work you are doing,
804
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,520
{\an7}the stories you’re sharing, you
know,
805
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,600
{\an7}we are gonna win here in Texas.
806
00:36:54,650 --> 00:36:56,860
{\an7}(audience applauding)
807
00:36:56,900 --> 00:36:58,650
{\an7}- What’s his name?
\h\h\h\h\h- Devon.
808
00:36:58,690 --> 00:37:00,610
{\an7}- That is a cute little brother.
809
00:37:00,650 --> 00:37:03,700
{\an7}\h\h\hAre you intimidated by
doing the lobbying work, or?
810
00:37:03,740 --> 00:37:04,950
{\an7}- No.
- No?
811
00:37:04,990 --> 00:37:06,820
{\an7}- I have never lobbied
with my child, though.
812
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:08,200
{\an7}- Yeah?
813
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:10,540
{\an7}- And I am very excited
\hto show her the ropes.
814
00:37:10,580 --> 00:37:11,410
{\an7}- Right.
815
00:37:17,420 --> 00:37:19,380
{\an7}- Whoa, do you guys see that?
816
00:37:19,420 --> 00:37:20,250
{\an7}- [Girl] What?
817
00:37:20,300 --> 00:37:21,420
{\an7}- How cool it looks down there?
818
00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:24,720
{\an7}Representative Oliveira.
819
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:25,590
{\an7}Oh, Oliveira.
820
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:30,890
{\an7}Hello, I’m Marty Beyer.
821
00:37:30,930 --> 00:37:32,850
{\an7}- Sophia, very good to meet you.
822
00:37:32,890 --> 00:37:36,520
{\an7}- Hi, my name is Jen, nice to
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hmeet you.
823
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:37,770
{\an7}\h\h\hMeet my daughter Ovito
who is gonna stay right here.
824
00:37:37,810 --> 00:37:40,730
{\an7}\h- I have seen so many
lawmakers meet with kids
825
00:37:40,780 --> 00:37:43,900
{\an7}\h\h\h\hwith same-sex parents
who’ll be like, you know what,
826
00:37:43,940 --> 00:37:47,360
{\an7}after I met those kids, I could
only think of my own kids,
827
00:37:47,410 --> 00:37:49,830
{\an7}\h\hand how could I treat
those kids any differently
828
00:37:49,870 --> 00:37:51,410
{\an7}than I want my kids to be
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\htreated.
829
00:37:51,450 --> 00:37:53,580
{\an7}- You know, in particular,
\h\hsince having children,
830
00:37:53,620 --> 00:37:54,910
{\an7}it’s a real feeling of
\h\h\h\hvulnerability
831
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,580
{\an7}\hthat we were just able
to have our legal status
832
00:37:57,630 --> 00:37:59,540
{\an7}reflect our actual life status.
833
00:37:59,590 --> 00:38:02,380
{\an7}- We really made the discussion
be a two-way discussion
834
00:38:02,420 --> 00:38:04,720
{\an7}in which part of what we were
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hsaying was,
835
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,590
{\an7}what are your values?
836
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:09,430
{\an7}And how do all of these
\h\h\h\hnegative ideas
837
00:38:09,470 --> 00:38:11,560
{\an7}and stereotypes about gay
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hpeople,
838
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,430
{\an7}how do they actually fit into
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hyour values?
839
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,350
{\an7}- [Thalia] If you believe
\h\h\hin the golden rule,
840
00:38:16,390 --> 00:38:18,440
{\an7}if you believe in freedom,
841
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,610
{\an7}how can you deny something
\h\has basic as marriage?
842
00:38:21,650 --> 00:38:24,780
{\an7}- Hey, Alyse, I am Marty
Beyer, nice to meet you.
843
00:38:24,820 --> 00:38:26,740
{\an7}- We wanted to convince
\h\h\h\hstraight people
844
00:38:26,780 --> 00:38:29,450
{\an7}that in order for them to be
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hgood people
845
00:38:29,490 --> 00:38:33,330
{\an7}they needed to back gay
people’s right to marry.
846
00:38:34,500 --> 00:38:35,330
{\an7}- Go team.
847
00:38:37,330 --> 00:38:38,500
{\an7}And hugs.
848
00:38:39,830 --> 00:38:42,300
{\an7}\h\h- So what’s happening
today is pretty dramatic.
849
00:38:42,340 --> 00:38:45,710
{\an7}On the inside of the building,
\h\h\h\hwe have families go in
850
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,300
{\an7}\h\h\h\hand share their real
stories with their lawmakers.
851
00:38:49,340 --> 00:38:51,300
{\an7}Outside you had our opponents
852
00:38:51,350 --> 00:38:53,810
{\an7}push back against our families.
853
00:38:53,850 --> 00:38:57,390
{\an7}\h\h\h- The Lieutenant Governor
of our great state, Dan Patrick.
854
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:59,650
{\an7}(audience applauding) (audience
cheering)
855
00:38:59,690 --> 00:39:00,770
{\an7}- Good afternoon, everyone.
856
00:39:00,810 --> 00:39:02,400
{\an7}Thank you for coming out
857
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,610
{\an7}to stand for two important
\h\h\h\h\h\hissues today.
858
00:39:05,650 --> 00:39:08,320
{\an7}First and foremost is
the issue of standing
859
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,490
{\an7}for traditional marriage.
860
00:39:10,530 --> 00:39:12,990
{\an7}It’s not about being
\h\h\h\hanti-anyone.
861
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:17,080
{\an7}It’s about being for marriage
\hbetween a man and a woman.
862
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:18,620
{\an7}- Yeah.
863
00:39:18,660 --> 00:39:20,420
{\an7}- And it is not the federal
\h\h\hgovernment’s business
864
00:39:20,460 --> 00:39:24,590
{\an7}\hto tell Texans what to
do in Texas on any issue.
865
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:27,840
{\an7}Thank y’all for being here and
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hGod bless.
866
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,840
{\an7}\h\h- There are 13 states
that don’t have marriage.
867
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,510
{\an7}None of ’em is as powerful
or as important as Texas.
868
00:39:32,550 --> 00:39:35,850
{\an7}\h\hTexas has always had
this independent streak.
869
00:39:35,890 --> 00:39:37,810
{\an7}Nobody, you know, don’t mess
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hwith Texas.
870
00:39:37,850 --> 00:39:41,020
{\an7}\h- What Texas does, the
rest of the country does.
871
00:39:41,060 --> 00:39:44,480
{\an7}\h\h\hLet’s make sure that
Texas does the right thing.
872
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,980
{\an7}(audience applauding) (audience
cheering)
873
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:49,990
{\an7}- I’m a judge, and normally
judges don’t speak in public
874
00:39:50,030 --> 00:39:52,370
{\an7}about issues like this.
875
00:39:52,410 --> 00:39:55,030
{\an7}But nothing in the Constitution
of the United States,
876
00:39:55,080 --> 00:40:01,540
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\hnothing in the laws or
precedents of the federal courts
877
00:40:01,580 --> 00:40:04,460
{\an7}\h\h\hgive federal courts any
authority over domestic policy
878
00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:07,460
{\an7}on family and marriage
in the State of Texas,
879
00:40:07,500 --> 00:40:10,590
{\an7}in the State of Alabama or
\h\h\h\h\h\hanywhere else.
880
00:40:11,930 --> 00:40:13,390
{\an7}- [Man] Enough is enough, man.
881
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:14,890
{\an7}Our nation is gonna waste.
882
00:40:14,930 --> 00:40:16,060
{\an7}They need deliverance, man.
883
00:40:16,100 --> 00:40:18,520
{\an7}They need more Jesus!
884
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:19,680
{\an7}- I pay taxes just like
\h\h\h\heverybody else,
885
00:40:19,730 --> 00:40:20,980
{\an7}we should all get along and say,
886
00:40:21,020 --> 00:40:22,060
{\an7}you know what, you live your
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hlife.
887
00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:23,520
{\an7}I don’t need people in my
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hbedroom.
888
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:24,690
{\an7}I don’t want to be in your
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hbedroom.
889
00:40:24,730 --> 00:40:25,560
{\an7}- About the children!
\h\h- I don’t wanna--
890
00:40:25,610 --> 00:40:26,730
{\an7}- It’s all about the children!
891
00:40:28,110 --> 00:40:29,400
{\an7}- What does it say, you want
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hequality,
892
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,570
{\an7}that’s one man, one woman.
893
00:40:32,610 --> 00:40:34,070
{\an7}Look, pervert, pervert, pervert.
894
00:40:34,110 --> 00:40:37,870
{\an7}\h\h\h\hYou are trying to
desensitize our children.
895
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:39,750
{\an7}Sick pervert.
896
00:40:39,790 --> 00:40:41,750
{\an7}- [Woman] My son is gay.
897
00:40:41,790 --> 00:40:43,080
{\an7}- [Man] Then he got perverted.
898
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:44,420
{\an7}- He--
899
00:40:44,460 --> 00:40:45,580
{\an7}- Let me ask you a simple
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hquestion.
900
00:40:45,630 --> 00:40:47,000
{\an7}- Yeah, ask me.
901
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,760
{\an7}- When children are born,
nothing is in their mind,
902
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,090
{\an7}they have to learn everything,
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hright?
903
00:40:52,130 --> 00:40:53,590
{\an7}- I have two boys, one is gay.
904
00:40:53,630 --> 00:40:54,590
{\an7}- Learn.
905
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:55,760
{\an7}- One is not gay, alright?
906
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,930
{\an7}They were raised exactly the
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hsame way.
907
00:40:57,970 --> 00:40:59,100
{\an7}- Yeah, well, one of them must
have got perverted somewhere.
908
00:40:59,140 --> 00:41:01,430
{\an7}- Believe me, nobody chooses
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hthat.
909
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,100
{\an7}- I have been faithful to my
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hwife.
910
00:41:03,140 --> 00:41:05,690
{\an7}\h\hYou think I haven’t
been tempted not to be?
911
00:41:05,730 --> 00:41:07,610
{\an7}I chose not to be!
912
00:41:07,650 --> 00:41:08,770
{\an7}You have a son with a problem.
913
00:41:08,820 --> 00:41:10,530
{\an7}- That has nothing to do with
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hit!
914
00:41:10,570 --> 00:41:11,860
{\an7}\h- Just because you love
him doesn’t mean you say,
915
00:41:11,900 --> 00:41:13,200
{\an7}oh, son, you are an alcoholic.
916
00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:14,950
{\an7}I am gonna buy all the alcohol
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hyou want.
917
00:41:14,990 --> 00:41:16,200
{\an7}- Oh, you are comparing being
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hgay--
918
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:17,120
{\an7}- You have to choose!
919
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:18,160
{\an7}- To an alcoholic, you’re wrong.
920
00:41:18,490 --> 00:41:19,700
{\an7}- Yes, I am, because it’s a
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hchoice.
921
00:41:19,740 --> 00:41:22,620
{\an7}- You have to choose,
promiscuity or purity.
922
00:41:22,660 --> 00:41:24,710
{\an7}- I have seven children, some
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hof them--
923
00:41:24,750 --> 00:41:25,790
{\an7}- Just take it easy.
924
00:41:25,830 --> 00:41:27,080
{\an7}There you go, honey.
925
00:41:27,130 --> 00:41:28,790
{\an7}\h\h- I just have never
done anything like this
926
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:33,760
{\an7}and it just, I am I’m just, I
\hguess I’ve surrounded myself
927
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,140
{\an7}with people that don’t think
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hthat way
928
00:41:36,180 --> 00:41:38,550
{\an7}and it’s just shocking to me.
929
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,600
{\an7}\h\h- Ultimately, when it’s
them preaching their hatred
930
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:47,650
{\an7}and us sharing heartfelt
stories about who we are
931
00:41:47,690 --> 00:41:49,900
{\an7}\h\hand our love for our
families, we win the day.
932
00:41:49,940 --> 00:41:50,770
{\an7}- I mean, I’m a mom.
933
00:41:50,820 --> 00:41:51,820
{\an7}I’ve got.
934
00:41:54,860 --> 00:41:57,070
{\an7}- Oh, that’s the mom.
\h- She was amazing.
935
00:41:57,110 --> 00:41:58,280
{\an7}And I told her afterwards,
936
00:41:58,530 --> 00:42:00,160
{\an7}"You know, you are gonna change
the minds
937
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:01,660
{\an7}"of a lot of people."
938
00:42:01,700 --> 00:42:03,830
{\an7}Here she is on the TV.
939
00:42:03,870 --> 00:42:05,540
{\an7}- You know, the goal is that
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hyou find
940
00:42:05,580 --> 00:42:07,630
{\an7}a really interesting person
\hand then you can get them
941
00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:09,130
{\an7}to go talk to the press,
942
00:42:09,170 --> 00:42:11,920
{\an7}or share their story on
\htheir Facebook page,
943
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,630
{\an7}it’s that ripple effect.
\h- Oh, I was so angry.
944
00:42:22,220 --> 00:42:24,680
{\an7}- [Man] Good evening, everyone,
my name is Gerard Douglas
945
00:42:24,730 --> 00:42:28,100
{\an7}\hand I work with Equality
Texas and Freedom To Marry
946
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:31,690
{\an7}\h\h\h\hon the campaign to win
marriage not only here in Texas
947
00:42:31,730 --> 00:42:34,530
{\an7}but across the United States of
America.
948
00:42:34,570 --> 00:42:37,530
{\an7}- I’m here because I have
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hchildren
949
00:42:37,570 --> 00:42:41,830
{\an7}and grandchildren who fit into
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hLGBTQ.
950
00:42:41,870 --> 00:42:46,210
{\an7}So I’m doing everything I
can to promote and secure
951
00:42:46,250 --> 00:42:48,960
{\an7}their freedom to marry whomever
they love.
952
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,170
{\an7}- They are lucky you are here,
953
00:42:50,210 --> 00:42:52,710
{\an7}so you should feel good about
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hthat,
954
00:42:52,750 --> 00:42:54,000
{\an7}really good about that.
955
00:42:54,050 --> 00:42:55,210
{\an7}- Thank you.
956
00:42:55,260 --> 00:42:56,880
{\an7}- What we’re doing is very
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hbrave.
957
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,880
{\an7}But the reason why we do this
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hin groups
958
00:42:58,930 --> 00:43:01,220
{\an7}\h\h\his so that we know
we’re not alone anymore.
959
00:43:01,260 --> 00:43:04,640
{\an7}Um, but now we’re gonna
sort of turn the tables.
960
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,180
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\hWe’re gonna kind of
role-play what a conversation
961
00:43:07,230 --> 00:43:09,230
{\an7}with somebody might look like.
962
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:11,730
{\an7}\h- Why is it important for
you to be married in Texas?
963
00:43:11,770 --> 00:43:14,230
{\an7}- Because I am deeply in love
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hwith her
964
00:43:14,270 --> 00:43:18,320
{\an7}\h\hand I want to be able to
express my love for her here.
965
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:19,910
{\an7}- These conversations can be
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hscary
966
00:43:19,950 --> 00:43:22,320
{\an7}and it’s hard to get people
\hto commit to having them
967
00:43:22,370 --> 00:43:24,580
{\an7}but you’ve got to show them the
research.
968
00:43:24,620 --> 00:43:27,250
{\an7}\h\h\h75% of Americans will
say they know a gay person.
969
00:43:27,290 --> 00:43:30,080
{\an7}\h\hOnly 35% of those people
have ever had a conversation
970
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,080
{\an7}with a gay person about
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hmarriage.
971
00:43:32,130 --> 00:43:34,090
{\an7}But if they’re truly undecided
972
00:43:34,130 --> 00:43:36,090
{\an7}and they have a conversation
\h\hwith somebody they know,
973
00:43:36,130 --> 00:43:38,010
{\an7}they then become 70% more likely
974
00:43:38,050 --> 00:43:39,590
{\an7}to support marriage equality.
975
00:43:39,630 --> 00:43:41,090
{\an7}\h\h- So the next thing
that we’re gonna do is,
976
00:43:41,140 --> 00:43:44,060
{\an7}we are asking you all to commit
yourselves
977
00:43:44,100 --> 00:43:48,930
{\an7}\hto having five conversations
with people you know this week
978
00:43:48,980 --> 00:43:51,190
{\an7}about why marriage matters to
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hyou.
979
00:43:51,230 --> 00:43:53,690
{\an7}- It’s conversation that
\h\h\h\h\hengages people
980
00:43:53,730 --> 00:43:56,610
{\an7}in really looking at the people
involved
981
00:43:56,650 --> 00:43:58,690
{\an7}and thinking about their own
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hvalues
982
00:43:58,740 --> 00:44:00,990
{\an7}and change their, change their
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hmind.
983
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:09,620
{\an7}\h- This is personal because
we’re talking about my kids
984
00:44:09,660 --> 00:44:12,960
{\an7}\h\h\h\hand that makes me
want to advocate for more.
985
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,300
{\an7}- So we talked earlier, you’ve
\hgot these five conversations
986
00:44:16,340 --> 00:44:17,710
{\an7}you know, you just said all the
reasons
987
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:19,130
{\an7}why they are important.
988
00:44:19,170 --> 00:44:22,220
{\an7}The goal is that if I can
\hhave five conversations
989
00:44:22,260 --> 00:44:23,760
{\an7}and then can teach five people
990
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,640
{\an7}to have the same conversations,
991
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,810
{\an7}then that is 25 conversations
\h\ha week that are happening
992
00:44:28,850 --> 00:44:31,310
{\an7}and it just kind of adds up and
adds up
993
00:44:31,350 --> 00:44:33,770
{\an7}until marriage is fully
\h\h\h\h\h\h\haccepted.
994
00:44:34,690 --> 00:44:35,810
{\an7}Do you want to call them
995
00:44:35,860 --> 00:44:36,400
{\an7}and see if they want to go to
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hlunch?
996
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:37,320
{\an7}- Sure.
997
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:38,820
{\an7}- Okay.
998
00:44:38,860 --> 00:44:40,150
{\an7}Hey, girl, I did this
crazy thing last night
999
00:44:40,190 --> 00:44:42,360
{\an7}and I wanted to share it with
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hyou and see,
1000
00:44:42,700 --> 00:44:44,990
{\an7}do you want to go to lunch
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\htomorrow?
1001
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:46,280
{\an7}Okay, I love you, too.
1002
00:44:46,330 --> 00:44:47,160
{\an7}Bye.
1003
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:48,330
{\an7}- So she said yes?
1004
00:44:48,370 --> 00:44:50,120
{\an7}- Yes, she said yes.
1005
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,290
{\an7}- This is great, you are gonna
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hdo awesome.
1006
00:44:52,330 --> 00:44:54,670
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h- The Vermont Supreme
Court had this beautiful phrase
1007
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:56,210
{\an7}in which they said that this
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hcase,
1008
00:44:56,250 --> 00:45:00,300
{\an7}\hthis Freedom To Marry case,
is about our common humanity.
1009
00:45:00,340 --> 00:45:04,840
{\an7}\hAnd we had to get people
to see the common humanity
1010
00:45:04,890 --> 00:45:06,350
{\an7}and then understand how the law
1011
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:09,890
{\an7}must treat all of us as people.
1012
00:45:11,230 --> 00:45:12,730
{\an7}- You want coffee?
\h\h\h\h\h- Yeah.
1013
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:16,110
{\an7}\h- This is a struggle
that I am going through
1014
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:18,690
{\an7}and it’s difficult because
\h\hthey are my children.
1015
00:45:18,730 --> 00:45:21,280
{\an7}- This is about a respectful
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hdialog.
1016
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:22,950
{\an7}It comes back to the elements
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hof love
1017
00:45:22,990 --> 00:45:24,860
{\an7}and what that means to every
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hone of us.
1018
00:45:24,910 --> 00:45:27,160
{\an7}- Because this is important for
me,
1019
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:28,780
{\an7}this is personal, this is.
1020
00:45:28,830 --> 00:45:30,370
{\an7}- Well, you are my friend,
so I support what you do.
1021
00:45:30,410 --> 00:45:31,870
{\an7}- This is.
1022
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:35,370
{\an7}\h- You are my friend, and
because it makes you happy,
1023
00:45:35,420 --> 00:45:37,170
{\an7}I’ll do what you need me to do.
1024
00:45:37,210 --> 00:45:38,040
{\an7}- Thank you.
1025
00:45:38,090 --> 00:45:39,130
{\an7}- You have to know that.
1026
00:45:39,170 --> 00:45:40,300
{\an7}(laughing)
1027
00:45:40,340 --> 00:45:41,880
{\an7}- Oh.
1028
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,050
{\an7}\h- This is a revolution,
one conversation at a time
1029
00:45:43,090 --> 00:45:44,430
{\an7}is how we win this.
1030
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,100
{\an7}(upbeat whimsical music)
1031
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,810
{\an7}- Evan, it’s good to have
you back on this program.
1032
00:45:57,850 --> 00:46:00,440
{\an7}\h\h\hYou have worked more
than anybody else on this.
1033
00:46:03,940 --> 00:46:08,240
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h- Heroes like Evan
Wolfson who joins us tonight.
1034
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,330
{\an7}We’re honored to have you, sir.
1035
00:46:10,370 --> 00:46:12,910
{\an7}- Good to meet you finally.
1036
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:16,370
{\an7}\h\h\h- Hi, good to meet you or
see you again, whichever it is.
1037
00:46:23,090 --> 00:46:25,760
{\an7}This is what civil rights feels
like.
1038
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,930
{\an7}It isn’t easy, it doesn’t
\h\h\h\h\hhappen quickly,
1039
00:46:28,970 --> 00:46:31,760
{\an7}but if you stick with it,
1040
00:46:31,810 --> 00:46:34,270
{\an7}if you believe you can do it,
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hyou can.
1041
00:46:40,900 --> 00:46:44,110
{\an7}This moment has been decades in
the making
1042
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:49,110
{\an7}\hand now America is ready
for the freedom to marry.
1043
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,280
{\an7}(audience applauding)
1044
00:46:53,830 --> 00:46:55,290
{\an7}\h\h- You know, essentially, if
proponents of same-sex marriage
1045
00:46:55,330 --> 00:46:58,080
{\an7}\h\h\hare so certain that
they’ve got public opinion
1046
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,290
{\an7}\h\hon their side, then why
not see how this plays out?
1047
00:47:00,330 --> 00:47:01,500
{\an7}Why have the court come in
1048
00:47:01,540 --> 00:47:03,210
{\an7}and short-circuit the
\hdemocratic process?
1049
00:47:03,250 --> 00:47:07,420
{\an7}- The facts are not contested
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hby anybody
1050
00:47:07,470 --> 00:47:10,140
{\an7}that the married couple, man
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hand woman,
1051
00:47:10,180 --> 00:47:16,480
{\an7}\h\h\h\hmom-and-dad family is
the best for raising children.
1052
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,310
{\an7}- Same-sex couples are raising
\h\hkids, they’re having kids,
1053
00:47:19,350 --> 00:47:24,360
{\an7}\h\hand these laws are hurting
those kids that we’re raising.
1054
00:47:25,610 --> 00:47:30,160
{\an7}- Who can say that these
parents are not entitled
1055
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:31,820
{\an7}to the best for their kids?
1056
00:47:31,870 --> 00:47:34,830
{\an7}Who can say, with a clear heart,
1057
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:37,120
{\an7}\hthat these kids are not
entitled to everything we,
1058
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,160
{\an7}as a society, can give them?
1059
00:47:39,210 --> 00:47:41,500
{\an7}Who is to say that these
\hpeople are not worthy
1060
00:47:41,540 --> 00:47:44,090
{\an7}of that bundle of protections
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hand security
1061
00:47:44,130 --> 00:47:45,500
{\an7}that every parent wants for
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\htheir kids
1062
00:47:45,550 --> 00:47:48,340
{\an7}and that we want for our loved
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hones?
1063
00:47:48,380 --> 00:47:50,130
{\an7}And that bundle is called
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hmarriage.
1064
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:57,020
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\hPeople marry somebody
because that person is precious.
1065
00:47:57,060 --> 00:47:59,310
{\an7}The essence of the right to
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hmarry
1066
00:47:59,350 --> 00:48:02,900
{\an7}is the freedom to marry
\hthe person you choose.
1067
00:48:04,900 --> 00:48:08,530
{\an7}I feel very, very lucky
\hto have found somebody
1068
00:48:08,570 --> 00:48:13,030
{\an7}\h\h\hsmart and centered
and loving who loves me.
1069
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:15,580
{\an7}So what are you guys doing for.
1070
00:48:15,620 --> 00:48:18,120
{\an7}\h\h\h\hBut even the people who
live in a Freedom to Marry state
1071
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,540
{\an7}as my husband and I do in New
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hYork,
1072
00:48:20,580 --> 00:48:23,960
{\an7}we’re still not fully respected
and secure
1073
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,340
{\an7}because when we travel
1074
00:48:25,380 --> 00:48:29,010
{\an7}to one of the discriminating
\h\hstates we’re vulnerable.
1075
00:48:30,090 --> 00:48:31,380
{\an7}And then of course there are
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hthe people
1076
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:34,350
{\an7}who live in the discriminating
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hstates.
1077
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:37,560
{\an7}\hThis is one country,
with one Constitution.
1078
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,100
{\an7}We’re not done until it’s done
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\heverywhere.
1079
00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:46,570
{\an7}(seagulls squawking)
1080
00:48:46,610 --> 00:48:49,530
{\an7}(dramatic music)
1081
00:49:03,580 --> 00:49:08,460
{\an7}\h\h- Mary is engaged in a very
intense process of preparation.
1082
00:49:13,260 --> 00:49:17,430
{\an7}\h- I wish I had tons of
time to prepare for this.
1083
00:49:17,470 --> 00:49:19,260
{\an7}I appreciate people saying to
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hme, Mary,
1084
00:49:19,310 --> 00:49:22,560
{\an7}\h\h\hyou have been doing this
for 20 years, you’ve got this.
1085
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,560
{\an7}And that is true.
1086
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,110
{\an7}But I don’t think it’s in the
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hbag.
1087
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:29,270
{\an7}I think we’re gonna have to
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hfight to win.
1088
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:30,690
{\an7}You know, I’m counting every
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hday here.
1089
00:49:30,730 --> 00:49:32,400
{\an7}- I know, yeah.
1090
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,110
{\an7}- Do you think we could have
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hsome sort
1091
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,950
{\an7}of stand-up-type thing
where I just stand up
1092
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:40,290
{\an7}and I will just start talking
1093
00:49:40,330 --> 00:49:41,620
{\an7}and you guys should start
\h\h\h\h\h\hhammering me.
1094
00:49:41,660 --> 00:49:43,330
{\an7}- Will do.
\h- Okay.
1095
00:49:44,750 --> 00:49:46,630
{\an7}\h- But you know the stuff,
and this will just be a way
1096
00:49:46,670 --> 00:49:49,960
{\an7}to start and to get in the
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hfirst mood,
1097
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:51,630
{\an7}maybe get a little more
\h\h\h\h\h\hcomfortable
1098
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:53,380
{\an7}and then go into the rest of
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hthem.
1099
00:49:53,420 --> 00:49:54,970
{\an7}- Yeah.
1100
00:49:55,010 --> 00:49:56,470
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\hThe Supreme Court
experts who I’m hearing from,
1101
00:49:56,510 --> 00:49:59,300
{\an7}people who know the justices
in a way that I never will,
1102
00:49:59,350 --> 00:50:01,600
{\an7}\hthey are telling me,
"Focus, you should not
1103
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,730
{\an7}"assume you have this."
1104
00:50:04,770 --> 00:50:07,310
{\an7}- She’s eaten and breathed
\hand lived this material,
1105
00:50:07,350 --> 00:50:09,150
{\an7}but that doesn’t mean you are
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hprepared
1106
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:11,650
{\an7}for any obscure question
that might come your way
1107
00:50:11,690 --> 00:50:13,480
{\an7}from any of the justices.
1108
00:50:13,530 --> 00:50:15,650
{\an7}And you know, you only have one
chance
1109
00:50:15,700 --> 00:50:17,450
{\an7}and you want to get it right.
1110
00:50:17,490 --> 00:50:18,780
{\an7}- I mean, the fact is we could
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hlose.
1111
00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:21,240
{\an7}We’ve got nine people making a
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hdecision
1112
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:22,740
{\an7}for the entire country.
1113
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:26,250
{\an7}If they think America is really
not ready,
1114
00:50:26,290 --> 00:50:28,330
{\an7}they probably won’t move
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hforward.
1115
00:50:28,380 --> 00:50:31,340
{\an7}- Of the five that we
need and the majority,
1116
00:50:31,380 --> 00:50:34,340
{\an7}we have four of them pretty for
sure.
1117
00:50:34,380 --> 00:50:37,550
{\an7}\h\h\hThen we have the Four
Horsemen of the Apocalypse.
1118
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:42,100
{\an7}- Scalia, Justice Thomas and
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hJustice Alito
1119
00:50:42,140 --> 00:50:45,180
{\an7}are extremely conservative.
1120
00:50:45,230 --> 00:50:47,690
{\an7}And there is no reason for me
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hto think
1121
00:50:47,730 --> 00:50:50,020
{\an7}that Roberts is with us.
1122
00:50:50,060 --> 00:50:54,530
{\an7}So the key court member that
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hyou need
1123
00:50:54,570 --> 00:50:58,700
{\an7}in any LGBT issue is Justice
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hKennedy.
1124
00:50:58,740 --> 00:51:00,450
{\an7}He is seen as the swing vote.
1125
00:51:00,490 --> 00:51:03,540
{\an7}Kennedy is really the audience
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hof one
1126
00:51:03,580 --> 00:51:05,750
{\an7}that the advocates were
\h\h\h\h\hspeaking to.
1127
00:51:05,790 --> 00:51:07,460
{\an7}- All right, this could be
\h\h\h\h\hgroundbreaking.
1128
00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:09,620
{\an7}\hThe history-making hearing
that could change the lives
1129
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:11,710
{\an7}of gay couples across the
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hcountry.
1130
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:13,710
{\an7}- [Reporter] The line is
long, the hopes are high
1131
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:15,630
{\an7}outside the United States
\h\h\h\h\h\hSupreme Court
1132
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:18,340
{\an7}where people have been waiting
\h\hfor days to secure a spot
1133
00:51:18,380 --> 00:51:21,220
{\an7}for the same-sex marriage
\h\h\hhearing on Tuesday.
1134
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:27,060
{\an7}- [Announcer] Let’s not
be ashamed of who we are
1135
00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:28,520
{\an7}or who we represent.
1136
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,480
{\an7}\h\hWe represent the King of
kings and the Lord of lords,
1137
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:36,320
{\an7}and let’s give God a big praise
for our brother Brian Brown.
1138
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:37,820
{\an7}- I can tell you right now,
1139
00:51:37,860 --> 00:51:41,370
{\an7}\h\hthis is the largest
march for marriage ever.
1140
00:51:41,410 --> 00:51:43,200
{\an7}God bless you for being here.
1141
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,240
{\an7}We don’t accept and it’s not
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\htrue
1142
00:51:46,290 --> 00:51:49,410
{\an7}that there is a civil right
\h\h\hto redefine marriage.
1143
00:51:49,460 --> 00:51:50,790
{\an7}All you’re going to do,
1144
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,590
{\an7}is you’re going to further
polarize American society.
1145
00:51:54,630 --> 00:51:58,420
{\an7}- President Obama likes to say
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hthat no one
1146
00:51:58,470 --> 00:52:02,760
{\an7}\h\hshould lose their job
because of who they love.
1147
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,510
{\an7}What if who they love is Jesus
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hChrist?
1148
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,220
{\an7}(audience cheering)
1149
00:52:08,270 --> 00:52:10,690
{\an7}\h\h\h\h- If the court tomorrow
changes the law in this country,
1150
00:52:10,730 --> 00:52:12,100
{\an7}it doesn’t change what marriage
is,
1151
00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:13,610
{\an7}it just embeds a lie into the
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hlaw.
1152
00:52:13,650 --> 00:52:18,530
{\an7}We need to quit glorifying
families without a father,
1153
00:52:18,570 --> 00:52:21,610
{\an7}to take a stand for justice,
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hfor children,
1154
00:52:21,660 --> 00:52:24,450
{\an7}for men and women and for our
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hnation.
1155
00:52:24,490 --> 00:52:27,490
{\an7}(audience cheering)
1156
00:52:30,460 --> 00:52:32,830
{\an7}(bell tolling)
1157
00:52:37,340 --> 00:52:40,670
{\an7}(church members singing)
1158
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:51,770
{\an7}\h- Where there is love
all things are possible.
1159
00:52:51,810 --> 00:52:53,440
{\an7}- When all can marry without
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hfear of bias
1160
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,320
{\an7}\h\h\hand discrimination
humankind moves forward,
1161
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,610
{\an7}Islam moves forward.
1162
00:52:59,650 --> 00:53:04,490
{\an7}- Justice and human dignity
are cherished Jewish values.
1163
00:53:04,530 --> 00:53:06,160
{\an7}- We labor together toward the
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hday
1164
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,280
{\an7}when all people are welcomed.
1165
00:53:08,330 --> 00:53:10,580
{\an7}- We United Methodists recognize
1166
00:53:10,620 --> 00:53:17,170
{\an7}\hthat sexuality is God’s
good gift to all persons.
1167
00:53:17,210 --> 00:53:19,550
{\an7}\h\h\h\h- Did Ruth and Naomi
have a lesbian relationship?
1168
00:53:21,550 --> 00:53:25,800
{\an7}It is clear the two women
had a lifelong passionate,
1169
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:30,520
{\an7}\hcommitted relationship
celebrated in scripture.
1170
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,850
{\an7}(upbeat band music)
1171
00:53:33,890 --> 00:53:36,400
{\an7}- [Crowd] One man, one woman.
1172
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,280
{\an7}One man, one woman.
1173
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,530
{\an7}One man, one woman.
1174
00:53:42,570 --> 00:53:44,700
{\an7}One man, one woman.
1175
00:53:44,740 --> 00:53:47,200
{\an7}One man, one woman.
1176
00:53:47,240 --> 00:53:50,290
{\an7}- We need you, O God, we need
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hyou!
1177
00:53:50,330 --> 00:53:52,540
{\an7}America needs you, Lord.
1178
00:53:52,580 --> 00:53:54,660
{\an7}Pour out your spirit!
1179
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:55,870
{\an7}- We need you!
1180
00:53:57,250 --> 00:53:58,250
{\an7}We need you!
1181
00:53:59,590 --> 00:54:01,550
{\an7}- Lord, I’m yours!
1182
00:54:01,590 --> 00:54:02,670
{\an7}Lord, I’m yours!
1183
00:54:02,710 --> 00:54:03,760
{\an7}Glory to God!
1184
00:54:05,590 --> 00:54:06,890
{\an7}- [Man] Jesus!
1185
00:54:06,930 --> 00:54:07,760
{\an7}Jesus!
1186
00:54:08,890 --> 00:54:09,720
{\an7}Jesus!
1187
00:54:10,930 --> 00:54:11,760
{\an7}Jesus!
1188
00:54:12,930 --> 00:54:16,230
{\an7}(horn blaring)
1189
00:54:16,270 --> 00:54:19,270
{\an7}(audience cheering)
1190
00:54:21,940 --> 00:54:23,400
{\an7}- Welcome everyone.
\h\h\h- Thank you.
1191
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,950
{\an7}\h\h- So name tags, and then
you’ll go get pictures taken.
1192
00:54:29,620 --> 00:54:32,660
{\an7}- Hi, April DeBoer, nice to
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hmeet you.
1193
00:54:32,700 --> 00:54:34,910
{\an7}- Hi, nice to meet you.
1194
00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:36,330
{\an7}- Thank you.
1195
00:54:36,370 --> 00:54:37,580
{\an7}- We care very much about this
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hissue.
1196
00:54:37,620 --> 00:54:41,250
{\an7}- Very much, give me a hug!
1197
00:54:41,290 --> 00:54:45,420
{\an7}\h- We were the first ones to
challenge the California ban.
1198
00:54:45,470 --> 00:54:46,840
{\an7}- A picture where you each kiss
me?
1199
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:47,760
{\an7}Can we do that?
\h- Okay, yeah.
1200
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:49,300
{\an7}- Wait, we need another one.
1201
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,850
{\an7}- Oh God, I gave you lipstick.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Uh-huh.
1202
00:54:54,890 --> 00:54:56,430
{\an7}- I remember that--
1203
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:57,390
{\an7}- You guys look so great, you
\hguys haven’t changed at all.
1204
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,900
{\an7}It’s ridiculous.
1205
00:54:59,940 --> 00:55:02,730
{\an7}On the eve of the Supreme
\hCourt argument tomorrow,
1206
00:55:02,770 --> 00:55:04,940
{\an7}it is my delight to welcome all
of you
1207
00:55:04,980 --> 00:55:09,570
{\an7}\hto this historic gathering
of plaintiffs and attorneys
1208
00:55:09,610 --> 00:55:15,870
{\an7}\hfrom more than 33 states
spanning more than 40 years
1209
00:55:15,910 --> 00:55:17,750
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\hof our movement’s
battles in the courts of law
1210
00:55:17,790 --> 00:55:19,710
{\an7}and in the court of public
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hopinion
1211
00:55:19,750 --> 00:55:21,460
{\an7}to win the freedom to marry.
1212
00:55:21,500 --> 00:55:24,750
{\an7}(audience cheering)
1213
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,300
{\an7}Will all the plaintiffs here
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\htonight
1214
00:55:26,340 --> 00:55:27,920
{\an7}please raise your hands?
1215
00:55:27,970 --> 00:55:31,800
{\an7}\h\h\hAnd those who don’t
have their hands, we clap.
1216
00:55:31,850 --> 00:55:35,310
{\an7}And on that note, let’s
give a round of applause
1217
00:55:35,350 --> 00:55:37,480
{\an7}to the current Supreme Court
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hplaintiffs,
1218
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,770
{\an7}the Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio
1219
00:55:39,810 --> 00:55:41,980
{\an7}and Tennessee couples here
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\htonight.
1220
00:55:42,020 --> 00:55:46,480
{\an7}(audience cheering)
1221
00:55:46,530 --> 00:55:49,990
{\an7}\h\hWe have made our case to
the country and to the courts
1222
00:55:50,030 --> 00:55:52,620
{\an7}and tonight is for savoring the
moment
1223
00:55:52,660 --> 00:55:55,120
{\an7}and looking forward in great
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hhope.
1224
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:07,460
{\an7}- Four years ago.
1225
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:11,050
{\an7}\h\h- (chuckles) Four years
of hard work comes to this.
1226
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:13,050
{\an7}- Here we are.
1227
00:56:20,850 --> 00:56:22,400
{\an7}Equal justice under the law.
1228
00:56:28,900 --> 00:56:32,360
{\an7}(police sirens wailing)
1229
00:56:40,910 --> 00:56:42,830
{\an7}- You violate the laws of God,
1230
00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:46,380
{\an7}\h\h\hyou violate the laws of
nature and you better repent.
1231
00:56:46,420 --> 00:56:49,710
{\an7}- Regardless of what the
\hSupreme Court decides,
1232
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:53,930
{\an7}\hthis nation is still
under the laws of God.
1233
00:56:55,180 --> 00:56:56,050
{\an7}- Unworthy!
1234
00:56:56,100 --> 00:56:57,050
{\an7}- Are you for or against it?
1235
00:56:57,100 --> 00:57:00,060
{\an7}Fuck you, you coward, go home!
1236
00:57:00,100 --> 00:57:03,020
{\an7}\h- So what is happening
today in this building?
1237
00:57:03,060 --> 00:57:06,900
{\an7}Freedom, justice and equality.
1238
00:57:06,940 --> 00:57:10,740
{\an7}\h\h\h- The Bible and the God
of the Bible is that lawgiver!
1239
00:57:10,780 --> 00:57:12,400
{\an7}He is that life giver.
1240
00:57:12,450 --> 00:57:14,570
{\an7}\h\h\h- You know, you have
to admire their conviction.
1241
00:57:14,610 --> 00:57:17,580
{\an7}♪ God won’t stand by you
1242
00:57:17,620 --> 00:57:21,040
{\an7}♪ He will destroy you
1243
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,710
{\an7}- God is love, God is love.
\h\h- And hate, and wrath.
1244
00:57:24,750 --> 00:57:26,830
{\an7}- God is not hate, God is love.
1245
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,210
{\an7}- Tell that to the people in
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hhell!
1246
00:57:29,460 --> 00:57:32,010
{\an7}\h\h- When people told me they
came from Louisiana and Texas,
1247
00:57:32,050 --> 00:57:33,510
{\an7}I was pretty amazed.
1248
00:57:33,550 --> 00:57:35,930
{\an7}Our folks are here, we’re
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hpraying,
1249
00:57:35,970 --> 00:57:38,100
{\an7}hoping the court doesn’t
\h\hdo the wrong thing.
1250
00:57:38,140 --> 00:57:40,720
{\an7}See, no one knows until the
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hcourt rules.
1251
00:57:40,770 --> 00:57:43,600
{\an7}- There is a higher court
besides the Supreme Court,
1252
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,440
{\an7}Gloria, and wait till you meet
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hGod.
1253
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,610
{\an7}- Love will win, love will win.
1254
00:57:49,650 --> 00:57:51,780
{\an7}- We pray to God for the
\h\h\h\h\hdismantlement
1255
00:57:51,820 --> 00:57:55,530
{\an7}of the danger to the whole
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hnation!
1256
00:57:55,570 --> 00:57:58,780
{\an7}LGBT is against God and against
humanity.
1257
00:57:58,830 --> 00:57:59,620
{\an7}- [Woman] We’re queer.
1258
00:57:59,660 --> 00:58:00,870
{\an7}- [Crowd] We know it!
1259
00:58:00,910 --> 00:58:01,910
{\an7}- [Woman] We’re here!
1260
00:58:01,950 --> 00:58:02,870
{\an7}- [Crowd] To show it!
1261
00:58:02,910 --> 00:58:04,120
{\an7}What you see is what you get,
1262
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:05,870
{\an7}and you ain’t seen nothing yet.
1263
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,920
{\an7}- [Woman] We’re here to show it!
1264
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:10,630
{\an7}What you see is what you get.
1265
00:58:10,670 --> 00:58:11,750
{\an7}- Everybody is here.
1266
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,840
{\an7}- Look at this.
\h\h\h- I know.
1267
00:58:16,180 --> 00:58:17,010
{\an7}- Wow!
1268
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:20,010
{\an7}- Yes, thank you.
1269
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,140
{\an7}- [Man] Take care, you guys,
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hgood luck.
1270
00:58:24,180 --> 00:58:25,180
{\an7}- Let’s win.
1271
00:58:26,940 --> 00:58:29,940
{\an7}(audience cheering)
1272
00:58:37,530 --> 00:58:38,910
{\an7}- [Crowd] Go, Mary, go!
1273
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:40,490
{\an7}Go, Mary, go!
1274
00:58:40,530 --> 00:58:41,990
{\an7}Go, Mary, go!
1275
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:43,660
{\an7}Go, Mary, go!
1276
00:58:43,700 --> 00:58:45,160
{\an7}Go, Mary, go!
1277
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:46,210
{\an7}Go, Mary, go!
1278
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:06,680
{\an7}We will win!
1279
00:59:06,730 --> 00:59:07,690
{\an7}We will win!
1280
00:59:07,730 --> 00:59:09,100
{\an7}We will win!
1281
00:59:09,150 --> 00:59:10,860
{\an7}We will win!
1282
00:59:10,900 --> 00:59:12,190
{\an7}We will win!
1283
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:13,860
{\an7}We will win!
1284
00:59:13,900 --> 00:59:14,940
{\an7}We will win!
1285
00:59:14,980 --> 00:59:16,030
{\an7}Love must win!
1286
00:59:16,070 --> 00:59:17,820
{\an7}Love must win!
1287
00:59:17,860 --> 00:59:19,700
{\an7}Love must win!
1288
00:59:19,740 --> 00:59:21,200
{\an7}Love must win!
1289
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,030
{\an7}Love must win!
1290
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:24,660
{\an7}Love must win!
1291
00:59:24,700 --> 00:59:27,620
{\an7}(audience cheering)
1292
00:59:27,660 --> 00:59:29,170
{\an7}Love must win!
1293
00:59:29,210 --> 00:59:31,000
{\an7}Love must win!
1294
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:32,170
{\an7}Love must win!
1295
00:59:33,590 --> 00:59:34,710
{\an7}Love must win!
1296
00:59:45,180 --> 00:59:47,890
{\an7}- Mary, we love you, thank you.
1297
00:59:47,930 --> 00:59:49,020
{\an7}- Can I just give you a hug?
1298
00:59:49,060 --> 00:59:49,980
{\an7}- Totally.
1299
00:59:50,020 --> 00:59:50,980
{\an7}- Mazel tov I’m so proud of you.
1300
00:59:51,020 --> 00:59:52,560
{\an7}- Thank you.
1301
00:59:52,610 --> 00:59:54,020
{\an7}How did it go in there?
1302
00:59:54,070 --> 00:59:55,900
{\an7}- I don’t know, it was
\h\h\h\h\hinteresting.
1303
00:59:55,940 --> 00:59:58,070
{\an7}I think that it’s gonna take
\hme a while to process it.
1304
00:59:58,110 --> 01:00:00,610
{\an7}\h\h\h- [Woman] SCOTUSblog
said you had a rough start.
1305
01:00:02,620 --> 01:00:04,660
{\an7}- And that’s the only thing
\hthat is out there, yeah?
1306
01:00:04,700 --> 01:00:05,870
{\an7}- Yeah.
1307
01:00:05,910 --> 01:00:06,910
{\an7}It just goes to show you can’t
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\htell
1308
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:08,120
{\an7}where their heads are at.
1309
01:00:09,790 --> 01:00:13,080
{\an7}- We stand before you one step
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hcloser
1310
01:00:13,130 --> 01:00:15,750
{\an7}to being a legalized and
\h\h\hrecognized family
1311
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,760
{\an7}\hand hopefully we’re on
the right side of history
1312
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,090
{\an7}and our kids will now
have equal protection.
1313
01:00:21,130 --> 01:00:22,840
{\an7}Thank you.
1314
01:00:22,890 --> 01:00:24,260
{\an7}(audience applauding)
1315
01:00:24,300 --> 01:00:26,220
{\an7}- The real heart of this issue,
always,
1316
01:00:26,260 --> 01:00:30,230
{\an7}\hevery day is real people who
have committed to one another,
1317
01:00:30,270 --> 01:00:33,230
{\an7}\h\hwho simply want to make
that commitment a legal one.
1318
01:00:33,270 --> 01:00:35,770
{\an7}And that is where we certainly
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hhope
1319
01:00:35,820 --> 01:00:37,690
{\an7}this will all end up in the end.
1320
01:00:37,730 --> 01:00:38,400
{\an7}Thank you.
1321
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:41,780
{\an7}I did the best I could.
1322
01:00:41,820 --> 01:00:43,110
{\an7}Everything I prepared
is not what happened.
1323
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,030
{\an7}- We’re in good hands.
1324
01:00:45,070 --> 01:00:47,330
{\an7}(chuckling)
1325
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:51,120
{\an7}- It’s so hard to say how it
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hwent.
1326
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,120
{\an7}Now our fate and the fate of
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hour marriage
1327
01:00:53,170 --> 01:00:55,380
{\an7}is in the hands of nine
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hjustices,
1328
01:00:55,420 --> 01:00:56,790
{\an7}so we’ll see what they do.
1329
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,920
{\an7}- We’re proud of you, so proud
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hof you!
1330
01:00:59,960 --> 01:01:00,880
{\an7}So proud of you.
1331
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:02,970
{\an7}- You did the last lap, you did.
1332
01:01:03,010 --> 01:01:05,720
{\an7}- You did the first lap,
I did the best I could.
1333
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:07,260
{\an7}\h\h- Don’t even, don’t
even have that thought!
1334
01:01:07,310 --> 01:01:08,640
{\an7}- I’m just saying.
1335
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:10,810
{\an7}- [John] I know, that’s what
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hI’m saying.
1336
01:01:15,350 --> 01:01:17,980
{\an7}- Arguments went very well for
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hus today.
1337
01:01:18,020 --> 01:01:21,320
{\an7}\h\h\hOne word that Kennedy
started with was millennia,
1338
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,320
{\an7}\h\hsaying why should we change
what has existed for millennia,
1339
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,660
{\an7}why do we have the right to
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hdecide?
1340
01:01:26,700 --> 01:01:28,830
{\an7}The other side had built up
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hexpectations
1341
01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:29,990
{\an7}that oral arguments were going
1342
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:31,910
{\an7}to overwhelmingly go in their
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hdirection.
1343
01:01:31,950 --> 01:01:33,750
{\an7}We have no rational arguments.
1344
01:01:33,790 --> 01:01:36,080
{\an7}Politico today has the audacity
1345
01:01:36,130 --> 01:01:39,000
{\an7}\h\h\hto have a Gerstein piece
saying, there are no arguments
1346
01:01:39,050 --> 01:01:40,170
{\an7}left against gay marriage.
1347
01:01:40,210 --> 01:01:41,800
{\an7}What a joke.
1348
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,970
{\an7}\h\hWhat they want to do is
again influence legislators,
1349
01:01:45,010 --> 01:01:48,850
{\an7}\h\h\h\hinfluence the court by
predicting this inevitability,
1350
01:01:48,890 --> 01:01:52,020
{\an7}\h\hbut the one problem is
is that it’s not inevitable
1351
01:01:52,060 --> 01:01:55,230
{\an7}and today’s hearing made that
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h100% clear.
1352
01:01:59,070 --> 01:02:00,860
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h- I am Laura.
- Very nice to meet you.
1353
01:02:00,900 --> 01:02:02,690
{\an7}Thank you so much for today.
1354
01:02:02,740 --> 01:02:03,860
{\an7}- Thank you.
1355
01:02:03,900 --> 01:02:06,360
{\an7}Yeah, I, anyway, I did the best
I could.
1356
01:02:06,410 --> 01:02:08,120
{\an7}It’s amazing how--
\h- You did great.
1357
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:09,370
{\an7}- Stop it!
1358
01:02:09,410 --> 01:02:10,700
{\an7}I was a little unnerved
\hby the whole process.
1359
01:02:10,740 --> 01:02:11,910
{\an7}You know, everyone knew
1360
01:02:11,950 --> 01:02:13,120
{\an7}there would be very aggressive
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hquestioning
1361
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:16,000
{\an7}of whoever stood up first, and
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hthere was.
1362
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:18,880
{\an7}- Mary got three sentences
before she was interrupted
1363
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:20,880
{\an7}and she got interrupted in like,
1364
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,210
{\an7}a weird direction right to
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hbegin with.
1365
01:02:23,260 --> 01:02:28,010
{\an7}\h\h- Mary got a crazy barrage
of wild hypothetical questions,
1366
01:02:28,050 --> 01:02:32,060
{\an7}everything from polygamy
\h\h\hto Ancient Greece.
1367
01:02:32,100 --> 01:02:34,020
{\an7}You know, Mary was just hit
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hwith a,
1368
01:02:34,060 --> 01:02:36,060
{\an7}it was like bam, bam, bam.
1369
01:02:36,100 --> 01:02:38,020
{\an7}- I had hoped to talk more
\h\h\h\h\habout equality,
1370
01:02:38,060 --> 01:02:40,900
{\an7}but at the other hand they
\hhad plenty of questions.
1371
01:02:40,940 --> 01:02:43,230
{\an7}A lot of them were putting
\h\h\hme on the defensive,
1372
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:44,740
{\an7}without a doubt,
1373
01:02:44,780 --> 01:02:46,030
{\an7}and what do you do when
you’re in that position?
1374
01:02:46,070 --> 01:02:47,990
{\an7}You try to respectfully
\hanswer the question,
1375
01:02:48,030 --> 01:02:51,490
{\an7}but also pivot to your own
points and so I did that,
1376
01:02:51,530 --> 01:02:53,120
{\an7}I tried to do that repeatedly.
1377
01:02:59,290 --> 01:03:01,460
{\an7}- You were, you were so ready.
1378
01:03:01,790 --> 01:03:03,340
{\an7}- Are you feeling okay?
1379
01:03:03,380 --> 01:03:06,010
{\an7}It’s so hard, I think you
\h\hhad such a hard run.
1380
01:03:07,260 --> 01:03:08,930
{\an7}- You know, every lawyer
I think has the argument
1381
01:03:08,970 --> 01:03:09,760
{\an7}they think they are gonna have,
1382
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:10,930
{\an7}then the one they have
1383
01:03:10,970 --> 01:03:12,430
{\an7}and then the one they wished
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hthey had.
1384
01:03:12,470 --> 01:03:15,890
{\an7}- Here’s to five organizations
1385
01:03:15,930 --> 01:03:22,110
{\an7}\hthat have spent 20 years
in the trenches to ensure
1386
01:03:22,150 --> 01:03:24,190
{\an7}\h\h\h\hthat we have lived
equality in our community.
1387
01:03:24,230 --> 01:03:26,440
{\an7}That message will be heard
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hworldwide.
1388
01:03:26,490 --> 01:03:27,950
{\an7}We are grateful.
1389
01:03:27,990 --> 01:03:29,360
{\an7}Thank you.
1390
01:03:29,410 --> 01:03:32,240
{\an7}(audience cheering)
1391
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,290
{\an7}\h\h- If we lose the Supreme
Court, it’s not fine at all.
1392
01:03:34,330 --> 01:03:37,080
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\hThere is a very good
chance that many of the states
1393
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:39,960
{\an7}that are in the bag now would
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hbe undone.
1394
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,130
{\an7}We would have to, you know,
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hspend,
1395
01:03:42,170 --> 01:03:44,090
{\an7}literally hundreds of millions
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hof dollars
1396
01:03:44,130 --> 01:03:45,460
{\an7}fighting ballot fights
1397
01:03:45,500 --> 01:03:48,470
{\an7}in some of the toughest
\hplaces in the country.
1398
01:03:48,510 --> 01:03:52,260
{\an7}\h- If they think we’re
not ready, we’re stuck.
1399
01:03:52,300 --> 01:03:54,810
{\an7}We’re stuck for probably 10
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hyears.
1400
01:03:54,850 --> 01:03:58,310
{\an7}\h\h- For us to lose this case
brings us squarely to the point
1401
01:03:58,350 --> 01:04:00,980
{\an7}where a class of people
\h\hare denied marriage
1402
01:04:01,020 --> 01:04:04,150
{\an7}\h\h\hbecause of who they are,
because they are second class.
1403
01:04:04,190 --> 01:04:10,410
{\an7}And that is something I truly
hope this court would not do.
1404
01:04:10,450 --> 01:04:12,200
{\an7}\h\h- I don’t want to be an
LGBT person in this country
1405
01:04:13,370 --> 01:04:14,870
{\an7}with that being the answer,
1406
01:04:16,870 --> 01:04:20,370
{\an7}because the impact will be
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hdevastating.
1407
01:04:30,380 --> 01:04:33,010
{\an7}\h- How are we doing on the
working up quickly a concept
1408
01:04:33,050 --> 01:04:35,850
{\an7}and a plan to be ready
on the air if we lose?
1409
01:04:35,890 --> 01:04:37,850
{\an7}- Well, what do you think the
\htheme should be if we lose?
1410
01:04:37,890 --> 01:04:40,430
{\an7}\h\h\h- This matters to real
people and it’s a real injury
1411
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,440
{\an7}and it’s not living up
to America’s promise,
1412
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:43,850
{\an7}but we’re gonna get there
1413
01:04:43,900 --> 01:04:45,110
{\an7}and here is how we’re gonna get
there.
1414
01:04:45,150 --> 01:04:46,360
{\an7}\h- How tough should we
be on the Supreme Court?
1415
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,530
{\an7}The Supreme Court let America
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hdown today?
1416
01:04:48,570 --> 01:04:50,150
{\an7}- Yeah, totally.
1417
01:04:50,190 --> 01:04:52,030
{\an7}\h\hYeah, today the Supreme
Court let the country down,
1418
01:04:52,070 --> 01:04:53,860
{\an7}but Americans are better than
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hthis
1419
01:04:53,910 --> 01:04:57,120
{\an7}and the stakes are too high
and we know how to get there
1420
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:58,410
{\an7}and we’re gonna get there.
1421
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,330
{\an7}No loss is gonna stop us
1422
01:05:02,370 --> 01:05:06,250
{\an7}and that we’re not gonna
\htake no for an answer.
1423
01:05:06,290 --> 01:05:08,340
{\an7}\h- It pisses me off so much
to think that we could lose.
1424
01:05:08,380 --> 01:05:10,550
{\an7}The notion of waiting for a new
court
1425
01:05:10,590 --> 01:05:13,340
{\an7}\h\hwhich means, justices to
leave the court is, (sighs).
1426
01:05:15,010 --> 01:05:17,010
{\an7}- Right, but hopefully we won’t
go there.
1427
01:05:30,610 --> 01:05:32,240
{\an7}- May I please have the
\h\h\h\hAthenian omelet
1428
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,240
{\an7}but without the mushrooms,
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hplease?
1429
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:35,490
{\an7}- That’s my order!
1430
01:05:35,530 --> 01:05:39,080
{\an7}Except, I want egg whites and
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hwell done.
1431
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:40,240
{\an7}Yeah, I like everything well
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hdone.
1432
01:05:40,290 --> 01:05:41,540
{\an7}- Do you like--
\h\h- Likewise.
1433
01:05:41,580 --> 01:05:43,250
{\an7}Thank you.
1434
01:05:43,290 --> 01:05:46,330
{\an7}\h\h\hDivided justices spar
over right to gay marriage.
1435
01:05:46,380 --> 01:05:48,500
{\an7}- Yeah.
1436
01:05:48,540 --> 01:05:50,340
{\an7}\h- Do you suspect that’s
the headline they wanted?
1437
01:05:50,380 --> 01:05:51,590
{\an7}(chuckling)
1438
01:05:51,630 --> 01:05:52,920
{\an7}I do.
1439
01:05:52,970 --> 01:05:55,090
{\an7}- Frankly, I am fine with
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hdivided.
1440
01:05:55,130 --> 01:05:57,260
{\an7}- Yes.
1441
01:05:57,300 --> 01:05:59,600
{\an7}\h\hSo what is your travel
schedule between now and--
1442
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:02,020
{\an7}\h\h- Well, my travel schedule
primarily involves, of course,
1443
01:06:02,060 --> 01:06:03,180
{\an7}going back and forth to
\h\h\h\hWashington D.C.
1444
01:06:03,230 --> 01:06:04,730
{\an7}and waiting for a decision.
1445
01:06:04,770 --> 01:06:06,310
{\an7}I definitely want to be in the
\hcourtroom when they decide.
1446
01:06:06,350 --> 01:06:07,480
{\an7}Although I plan to go back and
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hforth
1447
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,270
{\an7}so I can see my kids in the
\h\h\h\h\h\hmorning, yeah.
1448
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,280
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Yeah?
- That’s the deal, yeah.
1449
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:14,110
{\an7}- I’m not planning to go to
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hD.C.,
1450
01:06:14,150 --> 01:06:16,280
{\an7}\h\h\hI want to be in New
York and roll out the team
1451
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,370
{\an7}and respond and back you up
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hand--
1452
01:06:18,410 --> 01:06:20,200
{\an7}- Yeah, thank you.
\h\h\h\h\h- Yeah.
1453
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:21,370
{\an7}- I’m trying to figure out
1454
01:06:21,410 --> 01:06:23,620
{\an7}how I’m gonna handle both
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hscenarios.
1455
01:06:23,660 --> 01:06:25,120
{\an7}If there were a loss,
1456
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,250
{\an7}it would reverberate on so many
levels,
1457
01:06:29,290 --> 01:06:30,960
{\an7}but it’s hard not to worry, I
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hmean.
1458
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:32,300
{\an7}- Of course.
1459
01:06:32,340 --> 01:06:34,300
{\an7}- I know this is an annoying
\h\h\h\hthing about me, but,
1460
01:06:34,340 --> 01:06:37,090
{\an7}I don’t want to take things
\hfor granted, I don’t, and.
1461
01:06:37,130 --> 01:06:38,470
{\an7}- Yeah.
- Yeah.
1462
01:06:40,050 --> 01:06:42,180
{\an7}- Let me ask you, do you feel
like this is your life’s work?
1463
01:06:43,140 --> 01:06:45,310
{\an7}- I resist that framing.
1464
01:06:45,350 --> 01:06:47,310
{\an7}- Well, Freedom to Marry will
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hclose down,
1465
01:06:47,350 --> 01:06:50,440
{\an7}but I would like to think there
is another chapter coming.
1466
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:53,320
{\an7}I do feel like, wow, I have
\hbeen writing about this,
1467
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:56,110
{\an7}\hspeaking about it and
working on it constantly
1468
01:06:56,150 --> 01:06:58,660
{\an7}in one form or another for 32
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hyears.
1469
01:06:58,700 --> 01:07:01,330
{\an7}\h\h\h\h- And at the same
time, there’s other issues
1470
01:07:01,370 --> 01:07:02,740
{\an7}we have got to get our arms
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\haround
1471
01:07:02,790 --> 01:07:05,500
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h\hto make sure that
throughout the whole life cycle,
1472
01:07:05,540 --> 01:07:07,620
{\an7}people have freedoms and
\h\h\h\h\hopportunities
1473
01:07:07,670 --> 01:07:11,170
{\an7}and their life circumstances
\hhaven’t been disadvantaged
1474
01:07:11,210 --> 01:07:12,380
{\an7}because of who they are.
1475
01:07:24,390 --> 01:07:26,480
{\an7}I have not listened to the tape.
1476
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:27,730
{\an7}I have read the transcript.
1477
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,060
{\an7}I have not listened to the tape.
1478
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:41,530
{\an7}\hSince I’m listening, I might
as well take some notes, right?
1479
01:07:41,570 --> 01:07:43,160
{\an7}Okay.
1480
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,290
{\an7}- We will hear arguments this
\hmorning in case number 14556
1481
01:07:46,330 --> 01:07:50,540
{\an7}Obergefell v. Hodges and the
\h\h\h\hconsolidating cases.
1482
01:07:50,580 --> 01:07:52,090
{\an7}Miss Bonauto.
1483
01:07:53,090 --> 01:07:56,130
{\an7}\h- Mr. Chief Justice, may it
please the court, the intimate
1484
01:07:56,170 --> 01:07:59,050
{\an7}and committed relationships
\h\h\hof same-sex couples,
1485
01:07:59,090 --> 01:08:02,180
{\an7}just like those of heterosexual
couples,
1486
01:08:02,220 --> 01:08:04,390
{\an7}provide mutual support
and are the foundation
1487
01:08:04,430 --> 01:08:06,310
{\an7}of family life in our society.
1488
01:08:08,100 --> 01:08:09,560
{\an7}It’s interesting.
1489
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:11,440
{\an7}\h\hI was trying to talk slow,
but I am clearly talking fast.
1490
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:13,610
{\an7}Okay.
1491
01:08:13,650 --> 01:08:16,190
{\an7}\h\h- You’re not seeking
to join the institution,
1492
01:08:16,230 --> 01:08:19,740
{\an7}you’re seeking to change
what the institution is.
1493
01:08:19,780 --> 01:08:21,570
{\an7}A fundamental core of the
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hinstitution
1494
01:08:21,610 --> 01:08:24,160
{\an7}is the opposite-sex relationship
1495
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:28,250
{\an7}\h\h\hand you want to introduce
into it a same-sex relationship.
1496
01:08:28,290 --> 01:08:30,080
{\an7}- I think when we look
at the 14th Amendment
1497
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:33,080
{\an7}we know that it provides
\h\henduring guarantees,
1498
01:08:33,130 --> 01:08:35,250
{\an7}\h\hand the question is
whether gay people share
1499
01:08:35,290 --> 01:08:37,130
{\an7}that same liberty to be.
1500
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:43,760
{\an7}Clearly, I’m sticking
with the Constitution,
1501
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:47,260
{\an7}I think the Constitution is on
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hour side.
1502
01:08:47,310 --> 01:08:52,190
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h- Do you know of any
society prior to the Netherlands
1503
01:08:52,230 --> 01:08:56,570
{\an7}in 2001 that permitted same-sex
marriage?
1504
01:08:56,610 --> 01:08:57,610
{\an7}- As a legal matter, Your Honor?
1505
01:08:57,650 --> 01:08:58,690
{\an7}- As a legal matter.
1506
01:08:58,730 --> 01:09:00,780
{\an7}- I am not, I am not, I.
1507
01:09:00,820 --> 01:09:02,610
{\an7}Okay, I have paid for that
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hanswer.
1508
01:09:02,660 --> 01:09:03,780
{\an7}I mean, it’s clearly a time
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hwhen I think
1509
01:09:03,820 --> 01:09:06,830
{\an7}some people wish I had said.
1510
01:09:06,870 --> 01:09:08,450
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\hThere have been gay
people through the millennia.
1511
01:09:08,490 --> 01:09:10,620
{\an7}\h\hThere have been same-sex
couples forming relationships
1512
01:09:10,660 --> 01:09:12,620
{\an7}through the millennia,
and that is all true.
1513
01:09:12,670 --> 01:09:14,290
{\an7}It wasn’t the question, however.
1514
01:09:14,330 --> 01:09:17,630
{\an7}\hThe question was, are there
societies that have permitted
1515
01:09:17,670 --> 01:09:20,260
{\an7}same-sex marriage as a legal
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hmatter?
1516
01:09:20,300 --> 01:09:22,800
{\an7}- But did they have same-sex
marriage in Ancient Greece?
1517
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:24,630
{\an7}- Yeah, I don’t think they had
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hanything
1518
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,470
{\an7}comparable to what we have,
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hYour Honor.
1519
01:09:27,510 --> 01:09:28,640
{\an7}- I mean, we’re talking about--
1520
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:29,850
{\an7}- Well, they had marriage,
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hdidn’t they?
1521
01:09:30,180 --> 01:09:31,770
{\an7}- Yeah, they had, yes.
1522
01:09:31,810 --> 01:09:33,310
{\an7}- They had some sort of
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hmarriage.
1523
01:09:33,350 --> 01:09:34,600
{\an7}- And they had--
1524
01:09:34,650 --> 01:09:35,770
{\an7}- And they had same-sex
relations, did they not?
1525
01:09:35,810 --> 01:09:37,020
{\an7}- Yes, and they also were able
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hto--
1526
01:09:38,610 --> 01:09:42,650
{\an7}- So, their limiting marriage
to couples of the opposite sex
1527
01:09:42,700 --> 01:09:46,160
{\an7}\hwas not based on prejudice
against gay people, was it?
1528
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:47,320
{\an7}- I can’t speak to what was
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hhappening
1529
01:09:47,370 --> 01:09:49,490
{\an7}with the ancient philosophers,
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hbut.
1530
01:09:49,540 --> 01:09:51,160
{\an7}I mean, there may be an opinion
out there
1531
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:54,620
{\an7}\h\h\hthat references Ancient
Greece, I have not found one.
1532
01:09:54,670 --> 01:09:58,290
{\an7}\h\h- I would like to hear the
precise answer to the question
1533
01:09:58,340 --> 01:10:00,300
{\an7}you have been asked several
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\htimes.
1534
01:10:00,340 --> 01:10:01,550
{\an7}- Okay.
1535
01:10:01,590 --> 01:10:03,920
{\an7}- The opposite view has
been the law everywhere
1536
01:10:03,970 --> 01:10:08,760
{\an7}\hfor thousands of years and
suddenly you want nine people
1537
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:14,850
{\an7}outside the ballot box to
\hrequire states to change
1538
01:10:14,890 --> 01:10:17,690
{\an7}what marriage is to include gay
people.
1539
01:10:17,730 --> 01:10:22,360
{\an7}Why can’t those states
at least wait and see?
1540
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:25,950
{\an7}\h\h- It’s not about the
court versus the states,
1541
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:29,330
{\an7}it’s about the individual
making the choice to marry
1542
01:10:29,370 --> 01:10:33,370
{\an7}and with whom to marry, or the
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hgovernment.
1543
01:10:33,410 --> 01:10:34,660
{\an7}I’d been wanting to say that,
I’d been wanting to say that.
1544
01:10:34,710 --> 01:10:37,370
{\an7}I am not gonna sit down until I
say that!
1545
01:10:37,420 --> 01:10:38,830
{\an7}So I said it.
1546
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:41,380
{\an7}\h\h\h\hI hear that Michigan
loves adoption and in fact--
1547
01:10:41,420 --> 01:10:42,630
{\an7}Yeah.
1548
01:10:42,670 --> 01:10:43,800
{\an7}I have to admit I was mad and I
was mad
1549
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:45,380
{\an7}because I thought about the
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hsuffering
1550
01:10:45,420 --> 01:10:49,220
{\an7}\h\hand the pain that these
women and so many like them
1551
01:10:49,260 --> 01:10:51,560
{\an7}\h\h\hgo through with the
fact that only one of them
1552
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:52,720
{\an7}is allowed to be the parent.
1553
01:10:52,770 --> 01:10:54,390
{\an7}They can’t tell their kids
1554
01:10:54,430 --> 01:10:57,650
{\an7}\h\h\hthat they are really a
whole one big family in law.
1555
01:10:57,690 --> 01:10:59,230
{\an7}Felt like it was an example of
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hdoublespeak
1556
01:10:59,270 --> 01:11:01,570
{\an7}and I was determined to address
it.
1557
01:11:01,610 --> 01:11:04,690
{\an7}\h\h\h\h- Because by denying
marriage to same-sex couples
1558
01:11:04,740 --> 01:11:08,740
{\an7}\h\h\h\hwe’re denying not only
the protection for the adults,
1559
01:11:08,780 --> 01:11:10,990
{\an7}which is independently
\h\h\h\h\h\himportant,
1560
01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:12,870
{\an7}but we’re denying those
\h\h\h\h\h\hprotections
1561
01:11:12,910 --> 01:11:15,910
{\an7}and that security that would
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hcome
1562
01:11:15,950 --> 01:11:20,420
{\an7}from having married parents.
1563
01:11:20,460 --> 01:11:22,590
{\an7}So, with that, thank you.
1564
01:11:22,630 --> 01:11:24,510
{\an7}- Thank you, Counsel.
1565
01:11:24,550 --> 01:11:25,760
{\an7}The Court will take a brief
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hbreak
1566
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:27,970
{\an7}and return to the bench in five
minutes.
1567
01:11:31,300 --> 01:11:32,390
{\an7}- All right then.
1568
01:11:41,310 --> 01:11:44,270
{\an7}Yeah, it’s not a touchy-feely
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hexperience,
1569
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:45,940
{\an7}it’s not a warm and fuzzy
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hexperience,
1570
01:11:45,980 --> 01:11:47,610
{\an7}I guess is really more
of the way to put it.
1571
01:11:47,650 --> 01:11:50,660
{\an7}\h\h\hIt’s not a warm and fuzzy
experience, but what can I say?
1572
01:11:54,490 --> 01:11:57,960
{\an7}I think that it’s a great
\hsystem where people can
1573
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,290
{\an7}weigh in with all this law,
1574
01:12:00,330 --> 01:12:02,960
{\an7}\hpeople having expertise
can weigh in on both sides
1575
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:05,630
{\an7}and then there is this hearing.
1576
01:12:05,670 --> 01:12:07,920
{\an7}Again, I think it’s the tip of
\hthe iceberg at the hearing,
1577
01:12:07,970 --> 01:12:12,970
{\an7}but it’s a system I think
\h\h\hwe can be proud of.
1578
01:12:17,020 --> 01:12:18,680
{\an7}It’s not true everywhere.
1579
01:12:30,700 --> 01:12:32,660
{\an7}\h\h\h- All right, so everybody
knows why we’re here, obviously,
1580
01:12:32,700 --> 01:12:35,990
{\an7}today is one of what may
be the one decision day
1581
01:12:36,030 --> 01:12:40,500
{\an7}or a set of decision days
that arguably are possible
1582
01:12:40,540 --> 01:12:43,000
{\an7}but then turn out not to be ours
1583
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:44,790
{\an7}and we have to keep gathering.
1584
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:47,000
{\an7}Starting at 10:00, the court
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hconvenes.
1585
01:12:47,050 --> 01:12:48,460
{\an7}Within a few minutes after
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h10:00,
1586
01:12:48,510 --> 01:12:50,630
{\an7}they will start announcing
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hdecisions.
1587
01:12:50,670 --> 01:12:52,760
{\an7}There are 20 decisions waiting.
1588
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:55,680
{\an7}Literally, until we get the
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hruling,
1589
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:59,020
{\an7}nobody knows what the answer is.
1590
01:12:59,060 --> 01:13:01,940
{\an7}\h\hMeanwhile, we all are
refreshing our SCOTUSblog
1591
01:13:01,980 --> 01:13:04,650
{\an7}\hin order to get the news
from people on the ground.
1592
01:13:05,730 --> 01:13:06,940
{\an7}- Third and final.
1593
01:13:08,980 --> 01:13:10,860
{\an7}Well, we’re done for the day.
1594
01:13:10,900 --> 01:13:12,780
{\an7}So we’re all on for Thursday.
1595
01:13:12,820 --> 01:13:14,030
{\an7}- Yup.
1596
01:13:14,070 --> 01:13:15,910
{\an7}- Thank you everybody.
1597
01:13:16,910 --> 01:13:20,700
{\an7}Okay, so let’s just run through.
1598
01:13:20,750 --> 01:13:22,370
{\an7}\hLike, today if it had come
through what’s gonna happen.
1599
01:13:22,410 --> 01:13:24,830
{\an7}\h- So we will go up with all
of our prepared social media.
1600
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,040
{\an7}\h\h\h\hIdeally, weddings would
begin right away in many states.
1601
01:13:27,090 --> 01:13:28,380
{\an7}- In some places, yeah.
1602
01:13:28,420 --> 01:13:30,050
{\an7}- And just kind of keeping
\h\h\h\h\h\hpeople posted.
1603
01:13:30,090 --> 01:13:31,880
{\an7}- Okay, so today obviously
\h\h\hwas unusually fast.
1604
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:33,550
{\an7}Like, we were done within a
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hminute.
1605
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:35,510
{\an7}\h- Yeah, maybe they will
make it easy on all of us
1606
01:13:35,550 --> 01:13:37,510
{\an7}and save it till the very last
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hday.
1607
01:13:37,550 --> 01:13:40,930
{\an7}- Great so, today we were
\hready and back to work.
1608
01:13:42,730 --> 01:13:46,060
{\an7}(bright whimsical music)
1609
01:13:49,070 --> 01:13:51,570
{\an7}\h\h\h- [Woman] She wants to
increase the character limit.
1610
01:13:51,610 --> 01:13:53,570
{\an7}- Okay, let’s do it.
1611
01:13:56,910 --> 01:13:58,580
{\an7}Do we have champagne?
1612
01:14:03,460 --> 01:14:05,420
{\an7}♪ Weh, weh, weh
1613
01:14:05,460 --> 01:14:07,420
{\an7}- Okay, thank you everybody.
1614
01:14:07,460 --> 01:14:08,420
{\an7}Same time tomorrow.
1615
01:14:09,710 --> 01:14:11,420
{\an7}- Go back to your desks and
\h\h\h\h\h\hstart working.
1616
01:14:11,460 --> 01:14:13,720
{\an7}(laughing)
1617
01:14:20,140 --> 01:14:24,890
{\an7}Not us today, so we’re
back to, back to work.
1618
01:14:26,730 --> 01:14:27,810
{\an7}- Thank you everybody.
1619
01:14:29,650 --> 01:14:30,400
{\an7}- ObamaCare?
1620
01:14:35,150 --> 01:14:36,780
{\an7}- No, not us today, by the
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hcheek.
1621
01:14:36,820 --> 01:14:37,820
{\an7}- We’re so ready!
1622
01:14:40,490 --> 01:14:42,450
{\an7}I woke up this morning
\hsinging One Day More
1623
01:14:42,490 --> 01:14:45,160
{\an7}so I think it’s tomorrow.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h(laughing)
1624
01:14:46,580 --> 01:14:48,120
{\an7}- Say, Decision day.
1625
01:14:48,170 --> 01:14:49,630
{\an7}- [Staff] Decision day!
1626
01:14:49,670 --> 01:14:51,800
{\an7}- All right, say, back to work.
1627
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:53,760
{\an7}- [Staff] Back to work!
1628
01:15:02,510 --> 01:15:03,520
{\an7}- What is it?
1629
01:15:05,020 --> 01:15:07,190
{\an7}So, we can go back to work.
1630
01:15:16,030 --> 01:15:19,200
{\an7}(light hopeful music)
1631
01:16:04,580 --> 01:16:06,080
{\an7}- Oh, we got a text from Mary.
1632
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:10,000
{\an7}It says, hi, April, please know
I am thinking of you, Jayne,
1633
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:12,170
{\an7}and your amazing kids each and
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hevery day.
1634
01:16:12,210 --> 01:16:14,290
{\an7}No matter what happens, we’re
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hright.
1635
01:16:14,340 --> 01:16:16,710
{\an7}\h\hThank you for having
me as part of your team.
1636
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:18,970
{\an7}My best and big hugs all
\h\h\h\h\haround, Mary.
1637
01:16:19,010 --> 01:16:21,050
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Aw.
- Isn’t that sweet?
1638
01:16:21,090 --> 01:16:22,760
{\an7}Maybe it will come today.
1639
01:16:36,860 --> 01:16:39,570
{\an7}- Hey, let’s do it.
1640
01:16:39,610 --> 01:16:41,070
{\an7}Here we are again.
1641
01:16:41,110 --> 01:16:44,240
{\an7}\h\hI am sure everybody
is feeling the pressure,
1642
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:46,330
{\an7}the tension, the anxiety.
1643
01:16:46,370 --> 01:16:50,210
{\an7}\h\hToday would be a lovely
day to finish the campaign.
1644
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:54,830
{\an7}Actually, can I just have
\hone sec with everybody?
1645
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:56,250
{\an7}- Yes.
1646
01:16:56,290 --> 01:16:57,090
{\an7}- No matter what happens,
I just really want to say
1647
01:16:57,130 --> 01:16:58,260
{\an7}thank you to all of you.
1648
01:16:58,300 --> 01:17:00,880
{\an7}This has been a wonderful team
1649
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:04,340
{\an7}\h\hand we all have done
such great work together.
1650
01:17:04,390 --> 01:17:07,260
{\an7}I don’t know if I will ever
have another team like this,
1651
01:17:07,310 --> 01:17:09,140
{\an7}and thank you all.
1652
01:17:11,060 --> 01:17:12,850
{\an7}- 9:59, 10 o’clock.
1653
01:17:12,890 --> 01:17:13,980
{\an7}Here we go!
1654
01:17:15,150 --> 01:17:15,980
{\an7}Okay.
1655
01:17:21,070 --> 01:17:22,740
{\an7}Are you schvitzing?
1656
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:25,200
{\an7}- [Woman] My palms are sweaty!
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h(giggles)
1657
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:26,830
{\an7}- Should we go around the room?
1658
01:17:34,330 --> 01:17:35,630
{\an7}- Marriage?
1659
01:17:35,670 --> 01:17:36,500
{\an7}- [Jayne] What?
1660
01:17:36,540 --> 01:17:37,960
{\an7}- They are gonna start with it?
1661
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:39,630
{\an7}- [Man] What?
1662
01:17:39,670 --> 01:17:40,300
{\an7}- [Woman] They’re starting
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hwith--
1663
01:17:40,340 --> 01:17:41,210
{\an7}- Marriage?
1664
01:17:41,260 --> 01:17:42,010
{\an7}- Marriage?
\h\h- Holy.
1665
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:45,090
{\an7}- [Man] What happened?
1666
01:17:45,140 --> 01:17:47,050
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h- Here we go.
- Kennedy has the opinion!
1667
01:17:47,100 --> 01:17:47,930
{\an7}- Oh, God!
1668
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:16,290
{\an7}- Chris Geidner, The Supreme
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hCourt ends
1669
01:18:16,330 --> 01:18:19,170
{\an7}same-sex marriage bans
\h\h\h\h\hnationwide.
1670
01:18:19,210 --> 01:18:23,170
{\an7}(everyone applauding) (everyone
cheering)
1671
01:18:23,220 --> 01:18:26,300
{\an7}(joyful piano music)
1672
01:18:33,890 --> 01:18:38,900
{\an7}Oh, my God!
1673
01:18:53,250 --> 01:18:58,790
{\an7}\h\h- We are now the campaign
that won marriage nationwide.
1674
01:18:58,830 --> 01:19:00,710
{\an7}Wow.
1675
01:19:00,750 --> 01:19:03,050
{\an7}- [Woman] Congratulations,
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hAmerica!
1676
01:19:03,090 --> 01:19:06,760
{\an7}(camera shutters clicking)
1677
01:19:11,260 --> 01:19:13,060
{\an7}- I am Mary Bonauto and I want
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hto say
1678
01:19:13,100 --> 01:19:15,180
{\an7}today was a momentous decision
1679
01:19:15,230 --> 01:19:18,980
{\an7}\h\hand it’s going to bring
joy to millions of families,
1680
01:19:19,020 --> 01:19:21,310
{\an7}gay and straight, across this
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hland.
1681
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:23,150
{\an7}And I thank everyone who has
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hhelped
1682
01:19:23,190 --> 01:19:26,030
{\an7}make this day possible,
\h\hmillions of people.
1683
01:19:27,450 --> 01:19:30,910
{\an7}- Now we can actually be a
\h\h\h\h\h\hlegal family,
1684
01:19:30,950 --> 01:19:36,330
{\an7}\hand so, apparently, we
have to plan a marriage!
1685
01:19:36,370 --> 01:19:37,750
{\an7}(laughing)
1686
01:19:37,790 --> 01:19:39,750
{\an7}(audience applauding) (audience
cheering)
1687
01:19:39,790 --> 01:19:41,330
{\an7}- Well, that only took 32 years.
1688
01:19:41,380 --> 01:19:43,800
{\an7}(laughing)
1689
01:19:45,460 --> 01:19:48,220
{\an7}- Our nation was founded
\hon a bedrock principle
1690
01:19:49,430 --> 01:19:52,180
{\an7}that we are all created equal.
1691
01:19:52,220 --> 01:19:55,100
{\an7}The project of each generation
\h\h\his to bridge the meaning
1692
01:19:55,140 --> 01:19:57,430
{\an7}of those founding words
1693
01:19:57,480 --> 01:20:00,400
{\an7}with the realities of changing
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\htimes.
1694
01:20:00,440 --> 01:20:04,110
{\an7}\h\hA never-ending quest to
ensure those words ring true
1695
01:20:04,150 --> 01:20:07,240
{\an7}for every single American.
1696
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:10,780
{\an7}Progress on this journey often
\h\hcomes in small increments,
1697
01:20:10,820 --> 01:20:16,790
{\an7}\h\hsometimes two steps
forward, one step back,
1698
01:20:16,830 --> 01:20:20,960
{\an7}\hpropelled by the persistent
effort of dedicated citizens.
1699
01:20:22,830 --> 01:20:24,920
{\an7}\h\h\hAnd then sometimes
there are days like this
1700
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:30,800
{\an7}\h\h\h\hwhen that slow, steady
effort is rewarded with justice
1701
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:33,140
{\an7}that arrives like a thunderbolt.
1702
01:20:33,180 --> 01:20:34,970
{\an7}What an extraordinary
\h\h\h\hachievement,
1703
01:20:35,010 --> 01:20:39,310
{\an7}\hwhat a vindication of the
belief that ordinary people
1704
01:20:39,350 --> 01:20:41,600
{\an7}can do extraordinary things.
1705
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:46,530
{\an7}Those countless, often
\h\hanonymous heroes,
1706
01:20:47,530 --> 01:20:48,940
{\an7}they should be very proud.
1707
01:20:51,110 --> 01:20:53,570
{\an7}America should be very proud of
you.
1708
01:20:53,620 --> 01:20:56,990
{\an7}(audience applauding) (audience
cheering)
1709
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:58,250
{\an7}- To the freedom to marry.
1710
01:20:58,290 --> 01:20:59,330
{\an7}We did it!
1711
01:21:02,540 --> 01:21:04,500
{\an7}- I feel like I do this
\hwork because of love
1712
01:21:04,540 --> 01:21:07,550
{\an7}\hfor so many people and the
aspirations of so many people
1713
01:21:07,590 --> 01:21:11,130
{\an7}\h\hwho just want to be
able to be who they are.
1714
01:21:11,170 --> 01:21:14,180
{\an7}(audience cheering)
1715
01:21:16,050 --> 01:21:18,100
{\an7}- In 20 years, hopefully I’ll
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hbe married
1716
01:21:18,140 --> 01:21:21,180
{\an7}\hand my wife and I can have a
conversation with our daughter
1717
01:21:21,230 --> 01:21:25,980
{\an7}\h\h\hand, you know, she says,
why was marriage ever a thing?
1718
01:21:28,020 --> 01:21:29,530
{\an7}- There is a tremendous amount
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hof work
1719
01:21:29,570 --> 01:21:33,530
{\an7}\hstill to be done, but
this was a conversation
1720
01:21:33,570 --> 01:21:35,990
{\an7}that engaged our entire country
1721
01:21:36,030 --> 01:21:38,370
{\an7}about who gay and lesbian and
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hbisexual
1722
01:21:38,410 --> 01:21:40,580
{\an7}and transgender people really
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hare.
1723
01:21:43,250 --> 01:21:45,460
{\an7}\h\h\h\h- So many people did
not live to see this moment.
1724
01:21:45,500 --> 01:21:48,880
{\an7}What a privilege to be alive.
1725
01:21:50,090 --> 01:21:51,050
{\an7}I mean, my God!
1726
01:21:51,090 --> 01:21:53,880
{\an7}Who gets to do that?
1727
01:21:53,930 --> 01:21:59,970
{\an7}\h\h\h- And I hope that future
generations take it for granted
1728
01:22:00,010 --> 01:22:02,060
{\an7}that they have the freedom to
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hmarry,
1729
01:22:02,100 --> 01:22:05,600
{\an7}\h\h\h\hbecause they should be
able to take that for granted.
1730
01:22:19,030 --> 01:22:21,240
{\an7}- It’s very much like my paper.
1731
01:22:21,290 --> 01:22:23,250
{\an7}It actually weaves together
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hthings
1732
01:22:23,290 --> 01:22:24,620
{\an7}in the way that I wrote them.
1733
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:27,960
{\an7}It’s beautiful.
1734
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:33,050
{\an7}I always believed we could win.
1735
01:22:36,380 --> 01:22:37,470
{\an7}You have to believe.
1736
01:22:43,140 --> 01:22:45,980
{\an7}("Wedding March")
1737
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:04,410
{\an7}♪ I’m gonna marry you someday
1738
01:23:04,450 --> 01:23:07,960
{\an7}♪ Get you out of here
1739
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:11,590
{\an7}♪ I’m gonna carry you away
1740
01:23:11,630 --> 01:23:15,130
{\an7}♪ We’re gonna disappear
1741
01:23:15,170 --> 01:23:20,180
{\an7}♪ We’re gonna go, oh oh oh
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hsomeday ♪
1742
01:23:22,430 --> 01:23:27,440
{\an7}\h\h\h\h♪ We’re gonna fly,
we’re gonna fly, fly away ♪
1743
01:23:29,690 --> 01:23:33,320
{\an7}♪ I’m gonna marry you someday
1744
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:36,650
{\an7}♪ Just you wait and see
1745
01:23:36,690 --> 01:23:39,660
{\an7}♪ I’m gonna save enough someway
♪
1746
01:23:39,700 --> 01:23:44,330
{\an7}♪ Make you my bride-to-be
1747
01:23:44,370 --> 01:23:49,370
{\an7}♪ We’ll be so oh oh oh, happy
1748
01:23:51,540 --> 01:23:56,550
{\an7}♪ Baby, you ooh ooh ooh, you
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hand me ♪
1749
01:24:13,570 --> 01:24:18,570
{\an7}\h\h\h♪ See, we’re gonna
laugh, we’re gonna cry ♪
1750
01:24:20,410 --> 01:24:23,530
{\an7}♪ We’re gonna live, we’re gonna
love ♪
1751
01:24:23,580 --> 01:24:28,410
{\an7}♪ We’ll always get by
1752
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:36,550
{\an7}(hopeful music)
1753
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:41,760
{\an7}(singers vocalizing)
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