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♪♪ (patriotic)
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♪♪ (man singing in French)
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♪♪ (continues)
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♪♪ (ends)
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(man speaking French)
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(speaking French)
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Sweetback set a tone
where people are
really considering,
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"Well, maybe you can
beat the man."
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MAN: For Melvin
to come when he did and show
a film where we were the victor
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and came out heroic
and dignified at the same time,
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you know, that's monumental.
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There was a fear of blackness,
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and Melvin saw blackness
emerging as a commodity,
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as a commercial aspect
of popular culture.
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His career's been built
around that--
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knowing how to make noise
and making controversy
work to his advantage.
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Melvin had guts.
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He wouldn't have cared
what anyone else thought.
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MAN:
At some point in life,
my dad threw the rule book out.
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He said,
"I'm gonna do what I wanna do."
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MELVIN:
What happened with me
is if I don't see it,
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then I do it myself.
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That's what happened with film.
That's what happened with music.
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That's what happened
with writing.
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I didn't see
the type of things
I wanted to see,
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so I did it myself.
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(speaking French)
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I started, um,
I guess you call life
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as a-- as a painter
and sculptor.
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What I discovered
as time went on
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was that I didn't feel
that painting allowed me
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to talk to the people
I wanted to talk to.
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So I said, "Shit.
I'll go into movies."
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I knew nothing,
absolutely nothing, about film.
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Most short films--
most independent films
at that time-- were squiggles.
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You know,
squigg, squigg, squiggle.
(speaking gibberish)
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Nobody wanted
to go near anything
that smacked of Hollywood.
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Um-- But me, all I ever wanted
to do was tell stories.
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MAN:
The filmmaking business for him
is not an end in itself.
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It's a way to get
where he wants to get.
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If he could reach
a wider audience
for what he wants to say
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by being the world champion
of the hundred meters,
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he'd probably be
the world champion
of the hundred meters.
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Cut!
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♪♪ (fanfare)
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NARRATOR:
Chicago. The Windy City.
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The metropolis
of America's middle west.
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There's where Melvin Van Peebles
is born in 1932,
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on the city's
rough-and-tumble South Side.
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Young Melvin excels in school
and stands out
among his classmates.
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Melvin's daughter
recalls an outfit
he was forced to wear.
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It was lemon yellow
and lime green,
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satin little shorts,
with a beanie.
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Now, the South Side of Chicago,
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you put this
on not a very attractive,
knobby-kneed little black boy,
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they stick out like--
(whistles)
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No wonder he spent
his time in the library.
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NARRATOR:
As a teenager, Melvin attends
a large suburban high school,
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one of Thornton High's
few black students.
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Tennis, anyone?
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Mary McCall,
describe your former classmate.
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He wore glasses, and he looked
kind of geeky, really.
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He had orange shoes,
and they were squeaky.
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And he'd get up
and he'd walk down the aisle(shoes squeaking)
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and across the front of the room
to sharpen his pencil,
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and then he'd squeak
on his way back.
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And it was real amusing
to everybody.
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NARRATOR:
College is next.
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Melvin takes advantage
of an ROTC scholarship
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to study art
at Ohio Wesleyan University.
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He graduates
at the tender age of 20,
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an officer
in the United States Air Force.
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Congratulations, Lieutenant.
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Are you ready
for your first assignment?
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And what an assignment it is.
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The young navigator
immediately sees action
on a B-47,
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circling the globe hauling
one precious piece of cargo:
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the atom bomb.
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Let me just say this.
It's a good thing
he wasn't the pilot.
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'Cause these days, you know,
Mississippi and Alabama
would be rubble.
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NARRATOR:
His air force commitment
behind him,
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Melvin takes flight
to the city by the bay--
San Francisco.
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There we find him
driving a cable car.
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Hop on board.
Let's go for a ride.
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Melvin writes a popular story,
The Big Heart,
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about his life
on the cable cars.
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One admiring passenger,
a Hollywood producer,
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encourages Melvin
to make movies.
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Yet, despite the book's success,
Melvin receives some bad news.
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MELVIN:
The director of the cable car
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was someone who didn't think
blacks should read,
let alone write.
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So I was fired.
Why was I being fired?
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He said because I fit
the psychological profile
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of someone who's probably
going to have an accident.
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NARRATOR:
Undaunted, the budding director
shoots a few short films,
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with the hope of breaking
into Hollywood.
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When the studios
show no interest,
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the former navigator
sets a course for Holland.
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There, he studies astronomy
at the University of Amsterdam.
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But something else
is in the stars for Melvin.
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His movies have found
some fans in France,
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where he's invited to
the world-famous Cinémathèque.
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So it's au revoir, Amsterdam,
and bienvenue, Paris,
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where Melvin Van Peebles
would soon make his mark
on the City of Light.
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MELVIN:
This is Henri Langlois.
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Why all film museums
all called cinematheque
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is in honor of Henri Langlois,
who started the first
cinematheque.
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And this guy
and his significant other,
Mary Meerson,
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that's-- these are the ones
who looked me up
when I was in Holland
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and invited me to France.
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(honking)
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I had no money and--
but my little cans of film,
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and they swept me up
and drove me to a big car
in the Champs-Élysées.
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Took me to
a private screening room,
and they showed my films there.
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And everybody ooh'd and aah'd,
and we came downstairs
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and they kissed me
on both cheeks
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and got in their car
and drove away.
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And there I was in the middle
of the Champs-Élysées, couldn't
speak of work of French,
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two wet cheeks,
three cans of film
and not a penny in my pocket.
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But I had been given
that glimmer of possibility,
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and I decided that, okay,
I'm gonna make it in film
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or-- or die on the route.
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I was a beggar for a while,
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and, um, then I became
a street singer.
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And little by little,
I learned a little French.
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I discovered there was a law
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that said
a French writer could have
a temporary director's card
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to bring his own creation
to the screen.
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So as I was learning French,
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I always had this
in the back of my mind,
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and I turned myself
into a French writer.
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(typing)
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(man speaking French)
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(man speaking French)
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(Gébé, French)
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(TV announcer speaking French)
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(Melvin speaking French)
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GÉBÉ:
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WOLINSKI:
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I must have met Melvin--
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must have been '63, '64.
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I-- Melvin was a big fan
of the Montparnasse cafés.
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Somehow I had never noticed
that he was around before,
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which is kind of unforgivable
because you notice Melvin.
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And I was sitting at the Dôme
one night with friends,
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and this guy came rushing in,
stopped at the table,
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said, "Bonjour,"
in his good French,
and said, "Who are you?"
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Stopped in front of me,
and said, "Who are you?"
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And I said, you know,
"I'm me. I'm Janine."
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He said, "Oh. We're going
to see each other again,
but not now."
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We lived together
for four years,
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which was a fabulous,
exhausting, heartbreaking
experience from time to time.
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Paris fitted him
like a well-fit suit.
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Paris was made for him,
but the Paris
of the little people,
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the Paris of the bistros,
the Paris of the street.
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The '60s were marvelous.
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There were a lot
of expatriates in Paris.
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And the black musicians--
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the Art Ensemble of Chicago
was in Paris,
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Anthony Braxton, Archie Shepp--
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all the great jazz musicians
were in Paris.
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BOURNE:
There's a history in
the black intellectual community
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of artists leaving the shores
to clear their heads
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and to get opportunities
they couldn't get in America.
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MAN:
Paris said, "Come to us."
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You just got this sense of--
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that there was
freedom of thought
and freedom of action there.
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He did in France
a lot of the things that
he could not do in the States.
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Although things were very hard
for him at the beginning.
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(fingers snap)
They didn't come like that.
I mean, he had to learn French.
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I mean, you don't become
a writer or journalist,
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a film director
if you don't fight for it.
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WOLINSKI:
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GÉBÉ:
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JANINE:
I used to say,
"You can't say that.
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Verb comes and adjective
and pronoun and--
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I mean, there are laws."
"Forget about the laws."
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I said, "You know, you can't.
It's impossible."
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Well--
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Obviously, it was possible
because it's been published.
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TV HOST (speaking French):
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(speaking French)
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MELVIN:
I started writing these novels.
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Eventually, after I had
published four novels,
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I go to the Centre du Cinema,
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and I say to the guy,
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"It says that a French writer
can have a temporary
director's card
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to bring his own work
to the screen.
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I write in French,
so I'm a French writer, right?"
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And the guy looked at me
and said, "Yes."
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And that's how...
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I got to make
my first film.
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Monsieur?
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Un bier?
Oui, monsieur.
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MAN (speaking French):
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(man speaking French)
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Action!
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THIVAT:
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MELVIN:
The first time I was
on the set of La Permission,
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I'd never been
inside a studio before.
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No one knew that except
the director of photography
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who said, "I got your back.
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You tell me what you want
and then I'll be able to do it."
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And then after a while,
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I was able to take
what he would say to me
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and be able to say it myself.
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(laughing)
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Turner, hi.
Hi.
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What are you guys
doing here?
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Oh, nothing much.
Just a little
Sunday sightseeing.
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WOMAN (speaking French):
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(chattering)
Ooh-la-la.
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TURNER:
You guys, this is a friend.
Miriam.
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Miriam, uh, these are
some of the guys
from the base.
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Hello.
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MARTINEAU:
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We'll let you
get back to your thing.
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But we'll tell
everybody we saw you.
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I guess I just lost
my promotion.
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THIVAT:
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GÉBÉ:
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(Turner laughing)
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THIVAT:
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MELVIN:
When I get to San Francisco,
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nobody knew I was an American,
let alone black.
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I get off the plane.
I hear this voice call,
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"Melvin Van Peebles, délégation Français.
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Melvin Van Peebles,délégation Français."
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And there's
this little old lady,
blue-hair type.
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And I go up to her
and I say, "Ma'am."
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She says, "Don't bother me, son.
I'm busy.
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Melvin Van Peebles,délégation Français."
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I said, "Hey, lady.
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I'm Melvin Van Peebles."
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The eyes rolled back
in her head.
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00:24:48,854 --> 00:24:51,457
And of course
she checks me out."Parlez-vous Français?"
237
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And I spoke French.
238
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And she said,
"Well, your limo's
waiting for you."
239
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I went on to win the festival.
240
00:25:00,566 --> 00:25:04,203
Hollywood began
to swarm around and said,
241
00:25:04,203 --> 00:25:07,539
"Well, why you over there
with those frogs?
242
00:25:07,539 --> 00:25:09,875
Why aren't you here
making films here with us?"
243
00:25:11,944 --> 00:25:15,414
Eventually, I got the script
of Watermelon Man.
244
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The guy who sent it to me
named some actors
that they've been looking for--
245
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Alan Arkin, Jack Lemmon.
246
00:25:22,821 --> 00:25:25,090
But I said,
"The guy's black."
247
00:25:25,090 --> 00:25:27,526
He says, "Yes,
but he starts off white."
248
00:25:27,526 --> 00:25:31,363
I said, "He's only white
maybe four minutes of the film,
just during the credits.
249
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Why don't you get a black guy
to play it in whiteface
250
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instead of a white guy
to play it in blackface?"
251
00:25:36,769 --> 00:25:40,072
He says, "Is that possible?"
252
00:25:40,072 --> 00:25:43,175
Not even understanding
the inherent racism--
any black--
253
00:25:43,175 --> 00:25:46,578
The king can play a valet,
but the valet couldn't
play the king.
254
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Oh, man.
255
00:25:48,180 --> 00:25:50,916
The things
they put me through to do that.
256
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(screaming)
257
00:26:01,693 --> 00:26:04,430
The story is this
obnoxious white guy
258
00:26:04,430 --> 00:26:08,000
one day gets up
to go to the toilet,
and he's turned black.
259
00:26:12,471 --> 00:26:15,240
How now
260
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brown cow.
261
00:26:19,545 --> 00:26:21,180
MELVIN:
In the original script,
262
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toward the end of the movie,
he's turned white again.
263
00:26:24,149 --> 00:26:27,820
I thought that implied
that being black
was just a bad dream,
264
00:26:27,820 --> 00:26:32,157
and I wanted him to have
to live with it and stay black.
265
00:26:32,157 --> 00:26:35,894
But we came to a compromise.
We'd shoot it both ways.
266
00:26:35,894 --> 00:26:40,065
Well, I was born at night
but not last night.
267
00:26:40,065 --> 00:26:42,568
So I agree.
268
00:26:42,568 --> 00:26:45,304
"Sure, guys, okay.
We'll do it that way."
269
00:26:46,305 --> 00:26:47,940
Ha!
270
00:26:50,342 --> 00:26:52,144
ALL: Ha!
271
00:26:52,144 --> 00:26:55,314
Meantime, I got a call
from the editor.
272
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He says, "Melvin,
I can't locate the other ending
where he turns white again."
273
00:27:00,285 --> 00:27:04,289
I said, "Oh, Lawda mercy,
you know, I gwan forgot dat.
274
00:27:04,289 --> 00:27:06,024
I forgots to shoot it."
275
00:27:06,024 --> 00:27:08,393
ALL: HA!
276
00:27:08,393 --> 00:27:12,130
That's how we ended up
with the way I wanted it.
277
00:27:24,977 --> 00:27:30,516
The thing I'm probably
most comfortable with
is the unknown,
278
00:27:30,516 --> 00:27:35,387
because everything
I had usually gone into,
I didn't know anything about.
279
00:27:35,387 --> 00:27:39,291
So it's not as frightening to me
as it may be to someone else.
280
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♪♪ (singing in French)
281
00:28:05,183 --> 00:28:07,920
I wasn't deeply into music
at that time.
282
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,689
It came out of just necessity.
283
00:28:10,689 --> 00:28:12,324
The films that I did,
284
00:28:12,324 --> 00:28:15,827
I couldn't afford
to pay anyone to do
the music and the soundtrack.
285
00:28:15,827 --> 00:28:18,430
And that's how I got
into music, literally.
286
00:28:18,430 --> 00:28:25,137
Um, I first started off
by humming on a comb
and, uh, you know, the kazoo.
287
00:28:25,137 --> 00:28:27,339
- ♪ Zzzzz ♪
- ♪♪ (kazoo)
288
00:28:30,142 --> 00:28:32,911
JANINE:
Melvin's favorite songs--
289
00:28:32,911 --> 00:28:38,216
he can sing all the repertoire
of-of all the great singers
of the '30s.
290
00:28:38,216 --> 00:28:39,718
He adores it.
291
00:28:39,718 --> 00:28:42,354
♪♪ (singing in French)
292
00:28:46,525 --> 00:28:50,395
♪♪ (man singing in French
on recording)
293
00:28:54,766 --> 00:28:57,436
WOLINSKI:
294
00:29:10,782 --> 00:29:12,484
♪♪ (continues)
295
00:29:36,008 --> 00:29:37,542
When I came back to the States,
296
00:29:37,542 --> 00:29:42,981
I was shocked by the fact
that the political movement--
297
00:29:42,981 --> 00:29:45,350
There were no black songs.
298
00:29:48,220 --> 00:29:50,455
I mean,
there was "We Shall Overcome,"
299
00:29:50,455 --> 00:29:52,591
but there weren't songs
describing the condition--
300
00:29:52,591 --> 00:29:54,092
There was Dylan,
what he was doing.
301
00:29:54,092 --> 00:29:56,395
There was Baez,
and there were the other people.
302
00:29:56,395 --> 00:30:01,333
But there were not
what I felt things that
mirrored the black experience.
303
00:30:01,333 --> 00:30:02,834
A-one, two, three.
304
00:30:02,834 --> 00:30:05,037
♪ Lum di lum di lie ♪
305
00:30:05,037 --> 00:30:07,105
♪ Lum di
lum di lie ♪
306
00:30:07,105 --> 00:30:11,043
I felt that the black experience
had been hijacked musically
307
00:30:11,043 --> 00:30:14,579
to simply being
rhythm, beat and melody,
308
00:30:14,579 --> 00:30:16,782
and the words were getting lost.
309
00:30:16,782 --> 00:30:19,518
♪ This cat named Mickey
came from out of town, yeah ♪
310
00:30:22,154 --> 00:30:24,923
♪ He was spreading
a new dance all around ♪
311
00:30:24,923 --> 00:30:27,693
And so that's when I sort
of invented this style
312
00:30:27,693 --> 00:30:32,497
that used words to carry
the message and the melody,
313
00:30:32,497 --> 00:30:36,301
and I wanted to give voice
to those voiceless people.
314
00:30:36,301 --> 00:30:38,870
I think that Melvin brought
storytelling back into fashion.
315
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:40,706
And anybody who wanted
to tell a story
316
00:30:40,706 --> 00:30:44,443
and make
a strong narrative point--
317
00:30:44,443 --> 00:30:48,847
all your early rap people,
like The Last Poets
or Gil Scott-Heron--
318
00:30:48,847 --> 00:30:51,683
they had to be aware of Melvin.
319
00:30:51,683 --> 00:30:54,086
SCOTT-HERON:
You will not be able
to stay home, brother.
320
00:30:54,086 --> 00:30:55,687
AUDIENCE MEMBERS:
Whoo!
321
00:30:55,687 --> 00:30:58,857
You will not be able
to plug in, turn on
and cop out.
322
00:30:58,857 --> 00:31:00,392
WOMAN:
Yeah!
323
00:31:00,392 --> 00:31:03,428
The revolution
will not be televised.
324
00:31:03,428 --> 00:31:07,466
SCOTT-HERON:
With folks calling me
the godfather of rap,
325
00:31:07,466 --> 00:31:10,936
I've had to, like, uh,
try to indicate the fact
326
00:31:10,936 --> 00:31:15,540
that there were influences
that I picked up on
before I started,
327
00:31:15,540 --> 00:31:21,146
uh, in particular,
Melvin and Oscar Brown Jr.
and people of that nature
328
00:31:21,146 --> 00:31:26,451
who made sure there was
a story inside the things
that they were talking about.
329
00:31:29,187 --> 00:31:31,323
MELVIN (on recording):
Don't jump, folks.
330
00:31:31,323 --> 00:31:34,092
Take them looks off your face.
331
00:31:34,092 --> 00:31:36,161
I ain't one
of them dope addicts.
332
00:31:36,161 --> 00:31:38,396
That's a teenybopper bag.
333
00:31:38,396 --> 00:31:41,466
Whoever seen a junkie
as old as me?
334
00:31:42,634 --> 00:31:46,404
I just want my taste, you see?
335
00:31:49,741 --> 00:31:52,077
My story's sad, ain't it?
336
00:31:53,845 --> 00:31:56,348
Believe you me.
337
00:31:56,348 --> 00:31:59,451
How about a little something
to show your sympathy?
338
00:32:00,552 --> 00:32:02,220
Have a little pity.
339
00:32:03,421 --> 00:32:07,092
What you say, folks?
You got a little booze for me?
340
00:32:07,092 --> 00:32:10,162
MAN: One of my favorite albums
of all time
was the Brer Soul record,
341
00:32:10,162 --> 00:32:14,432
which was released
September 26, 1968
by A&M Records.
342
00:32:14,432 --> 00:32:18,003
It took the idea of someone
on the margins of society
343
00:32:18,003 --> 00:32:23,375
and people's, you know,
um, conventional notions
of who that person might be.
344
00:32:23,375 --> 00:32:25,410
And Melvin was trying
to do something with narrative
345
00:32:25,410 --> 00:32:28,280
that would fire
people's imaginations.
346
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,516
Why does a play
have to be on a stage?
347
00:32:31,516 --> 00:32:34,286
Why does a record have
to be listened to
instead of read?
348
00:32:34,286 --> 00:32:36,054
There's no real reason.
349
00:32:36,054 --> 00:32:41,426
A record like Brer Soul,
when you close your eyes
it's still in your head.
350
00:32:41,426 --> 00:32:44,296
You know? I mean--
351
00:32:44,296 --> 00:32:47,866
That record is probably
best listened to
in the dark, in a way.
352
00:32:47,866 --> 00:32:49,801
Uh, because, um,
353
00:32:49,801 --> 00:32:55,307
it's so visual, in a sense,
you almost don't need pictures.
354
00:32:55,307 --> 00:32:58,610
(bell ringing)
MELVIN (on recording):
I got five bad beans
355
00:32:58,610 --> 00:33:01,079
looking for trouble.
356
00:33:01,079 --> 00:33:04,349
Five first presidents
backing a brother.
357
00:33:04,349 --> 00:33:07,452
Looking for five more
backing the other.
358
00:33:07,452 --> 00:33:10,255
Five uppity beans
just waitin'
359
00:33:10,255 --> 00:33:13,491
for somebody to try
and put 'em in their place.
360
00:33:13,491 --> 00:33:16,494
I got the blood.
Who got whitey?
361
00:33:16,494 --> 00:33:20,298
I got the soul.
Who got whitey?
362
00:33:20,298 --> 00:33:24,169
I say brother
gonna whip some behind.
363
00:33:24,169 --> 00:33:27,372
The other stud
got 11 pounds on him.
364
00:33:27,372 --> 00:33:30,609
But Brer gonna stomp him
limb from limb.
365
00:33:30,609 --> 00:33:33,511
Don't be shy.
Come on. Make me a lie.
366
00:33:33,511 --> 00:33:37,148
Who got those five beans
gonna make a fib out of me?
367
00:33:38,350 --> 00:33:41,519
I'm takin' the blood.
Who got whitey?
368
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:44,756
I got the soul.
Who got whitey?
369
00:33:45,857 --> 00:33:47,592
Black ain't only beautiful.
370
00:33:47,592 --> 00:33:49,461
It's bad too.
371
00:33:50,128 --> 00:33:52,264
It's fast, classy,
372
00:33:52,264 --> 00:33:55,333
name-taking
and ass-kicking too.
373
00:33:56,568 --> 00:33:59,771
I'm lookin' for five beans
that sayin' it ain't true.
374
00:33:59,771 --> 00:34:03,308
When he said he was going
to write his own music,
I thought, the man is crazy.
375
00:34:03,308 --> 00:34:05,777
Have you
ever heard Melvin sing?
376
00:34:05,777 --> 00:34:07,312
I mean, it is monstrous.
377
00:34:07,312 --> 00:34:09,381
I adore music.
Melvin adores music.
378
00:34:09,381 --> 00:34:12,484
But to listen to him sing
is a punishment.
379
00:34:12,484 --> 00:34:15,320
When I first heard him,
I said, "Geez, the guy
got a unique voice."
380
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,556
It's something like--
381
00:34:17,556 --> 00:34:19,624
Hmm. Uh--
382
00:34:20,825 --> 00:34:22,360
A frog on crack.
383
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,930
(rapping)
♪ Now, once upon a time ♪
384
00:34:24,930 --> 00:34:26,698
♪ If your mouth slipped up ♪
385
00:34:26,698 --> 00:34:29,935
♪ And said what
Mother Nature herself ♪
386
00:34:29,935 --> 00:34:32,437
♪ Had put on your mind ♪
387
00:34:32,437 --> 00:34:35,740
♪ Quick as a wink,
you'd be dead meat ♪♪
388
00:34:35,740 --> 00:34:39,010
The quality of his voice
you can really argue about.
389
00:34:39,010 --> 00:34:40,712
You know what I mean?
You really can.
390
00:34:40,712 --> 00:34:44,015
I mean, it's not like bad.
It's just unique.
391
00:34:44,015 --> 00:34:46,851
So you got to say, "All right."
You've got to deal with it.
392
00:34:46,851 --> 00:34:49,220
The next thing to to--
The real next thing to do
393
00:34:49,220 --> 00:34:52,557
is for you to come in here
with the headsets on
and act your foolish self
394
00:34:52,557 --> 00:34:54,426
and so then we have
the damn thing done.
395
00:34:58,163 --> 00:35:00,832
All right, okay.
I'm going-- I'm going--
396
00:35:00,832 --> 00:35:04,302
I'm going in
to "play" and "record." Okay?
Got it.
397
00:35:07,105 --> 00:35:08,974
♪♪ (rap beat)
398
00:35:08,974 --> 00:35:10,408
MELVIN:
♪ Everybody ♪
399
00:35:11,476 --> 00:35:14,212
♪ Get down, chillins
Get down ♪
400
00:35:14,212 --> 00:35:16,214
You see that thing
in front of you there?
Yeah.
401
00:35:16,214 --> 00:35:17,849
That's called a mic.
402
00:35:17,849 --> 00:35:21,419
If you don't do it
into the motherfuckin' mic,
it does not record.
403
00:35:21,419 --> 00:35:23,555
Because we've got the gate
and everything else on,
404
00:35:23,555 --> 00:35:25,991
you've got to do
"Mm-hmm," "Oh, yeah"
and so forth.
405
00:35:25,991 --> 00:35:27,826
It's too loud
to come to the gate.
406
00:35:27,826 --> 00:35:31,096
But not only that,
you turn your head
half the time.
407
00:35:31,096 --> 00:35:32,864
Listen to the music.
Don't try to read.
408
00:35:32,864 --> 00:35:35,233
You know you
motherfuckin' can't read.
I'm tryin' to count.
409
00:35:35,233 --> 00:35:37,102
Well, okay,
but you got to bob--
410
00:35:37,102 --> 00:35:40,138
Who you think you are,
Stevie Wonder?
Shit, motherfucker.
411
00:35:40,138 --> 00:35:42,440
(chuckling)
412
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,377
I go into loc 1, right?
413
00:35:45,377 --> 00:35:48,747
Loc-- The bottom two.
414
00:35:48,747 --> 00:35:50,582
Loc 1, yeah.
415
00:35:53,018 --> 00:35:55,053
You stink, Mel.
416
00:35:55,053 --> 00:35:56,654
MAN:
He was showing me some music.
417
00:35:56,654 --> 00:35:59,691
And I said,
"Have you ever studied
any real composition?"
418
00:35:59,691 --> 00:36:02,527
He said, "No, I have
never studied composition."
419
00:36:02,527 --> 00:36:05,163
He said, "I just got
my own little way
of doing it."
420
00:36:05,163 --> 00:36:06,798
He writes by numbers,
421
00:36:06,798 --> 00:36:10,468
and then I'll take it
and put it into notes.
422
00:36:10,468 --> 00:36:14,005
He'll sit at the piano
and go--
423
00:36:14,005 --> 00:36:16,674
♪ Da-da-dum ♪
424
00:36:16,674 --> 00:36:18,176
♪ De-dum ♪
425
00:36:18,176 --> 00:36:20,879
Which is--
♪ 1-2-3 ♪
426
00:36:22,047 --> 00:36:23,782
♪ 6-5 ♪
427
00:36:23,782 --> 00:36:27,318
So he'll write like that.
He'll write 1-2-3.
428
00:36:27,318 --> 00:36:30,388
♪ 6-5 ♪
429
00:36:30,388 --> 00:36:34,092
♪ 7-6-5 ♪
430
00:36:34,092 --> 00:36:38,296
♪ 4-3-2-1-5 ♪
431
00:36:38,296 --> 00:36:40,632
This is the Sweetback theme.
432
00:36:41,299 --> 00:36:44,302
6-- This is 6.
433
00:36:44,302 --> 00:36:46,171
And this will be 6 1/2.
434
00:36:46,171 --> 00:36:47,972
So it goes--
435
00:36:47,972 --> 00:36:50,475
♪♪ (playing notes)
436
00:36:58,249 --> 00:37:01,820
CHORUS:
They bled your mama!
437
00:37:01,820 --> 00:37:04,689
They bled your papa!
438
00:37:04,689 --> 00:37:06,891
SWEETBACK:
They won't bleed me.
439
00:37:06,891 --> 00:37:09,127
Niggas scared
and pretend they don't see.
440
00:37:09,127 --> 00:37:11,429
Just like you, Sweetback!
441
00:37:11,429 --> 00:37:14,499
Just like I used to be.
442
00:37:14,499 --> 00:37:17,035
Work your black behind
to the gums.
443
00:37:17,035 --> 00:37:20,472
And you supposed
to Thomas till he done.
444
00:37:20,472 --> 00:37:23,875
You got to Thomas,
Sweetback!
445
00:37:23,875 --> 00:37:27,879
They bled your brother!
446
00:37:28,513 --> 00:37:30,115
They bled your sister!
447
00:37:30,115 --> 00:37:33,485
BOURNE:
With Sweetback,
Melvin's role as provocateur
448
00:37:33,485 --> 00:37:37,288
had succeeded
beyond all reasonable means
449
00:37:37,288 --> 00:37:40,825
because everybody
had something to say about it.
450
00:37:40,825 --> 00:37:44,562
Everybody had something
to disagree about it.
451
00:37:44,562 --> 00:37:46,331
And--
452
00:37:46,331 --> 00:37:48,766
But nobody could deny its power.
453
00:37:48,766 --> 00:37:50,768
(siren blaring)
454
00:37:55,173 --> 00:37:59,310
Black films or, that is,
455
00:37:59,310 --> 00:38:01,579
films they called
"black films,"
456
00:38:01,579 --> 00:38:05,016
were never shown first-run.
457
00:38:05,016 --> 00:38:06,618
I said, "Why is that?"
458
00:38:06,618 --> 00:38:10,221
"Because a black film
has never made money."
459
00:38:10,221 --> 00:38:13,124
"Well, how would you know?
You've never made a black film.
460
00:38:13,124 --> 00:38:17,195
You've made white fantasies
of what you hoped
black people would take."
461
00:38:17,195 --> 00:38:19,497
♪♪ (funk)
462
00:38:38,016 --> 00:38:41,686
It's just one of those films
that really hits.
463
00:38:41,686 --> 00:38:45,690
It was the timing, you know.
It was the turbulence.
464
00:38:46,958 --> 00:38:50,428
We were still dealing
with what happened in the '60s,
465
00:38:50,428 --> 00:38:54,732
with the whole shift,
socially, in this country.
466
00:38:54,732 --> 00:38:57,635
We were--
We were no longer Negroes.
467
00:38:57,635 --> 00:39:02,006
We were discovering who we are
and celebrating this.
468
00:39:02,006 --> 00:39:05,043
MAN:
We were just coming
from the era of nonviolence.
469
00:39:05,043 --> 00:39:06,911
And so, as the movie depicts,
470
00:39:06,911 --> 00:39:09,581
a brother standing up
for justice, you know--
471
00:39:09,581 --> 00:39:14,085
because in the movie,
what sets Sweetback off
472
00:39:14,085 --> 00:39:18,256
is the fact that the police
is brutalizing this young
Afro-American brother,
473
00:39:18,256 --> 00:39:21,226
and he couldn't turn
his back on it,
so he stood up for him.
474
00:39:21,226 --> 00:39:25,063
OFFICER: You drunk?
OFFICER #2:
He looks like a sniper to me.
475
00:39:28,233 --> 00:39:31,269
WOMAN:
It was something
that I had never ever seen.
476
00:39:31,269 --> 00:39:36,741
I had never seen in film
a black man go up
against authority.
477
00:39:36,741 --> 00:39:40,111
He just fought the system
and went up against the citadel
478
00:39:40,111 --> 00:39:42,380
and just kept going back
and kept going back.
479
00:39:42,380 --> 00:39:45,250
And he was just full of rage.
480
00:39:45,250 --> 00:39:48,553
And the system
was just against him,
no matter what.
481
00:39:50,755 --> 00:39:52,090
(screams)
482
00:39:58,162 --> 00:40:01,733
BOURNE:
He is challenging,
483
00:40:01,733 --> 00:40:06,404
engaging core issues
in American life--
484
00:40:06,404 --> 00:40:09,507
issues that people
don't even wanna talk about.
485
00:40:09,507 --> 00:40:13,411
And then he does it in a way
that's not simplistic.
486
00:40:14,812 --> 00:40:19,150
Here's a guy who kills a cop
with his own handcuffs
487
00:40:19,150 --> 00:40:21,452
and says he's right to do it.
488
00:40:25,790 --> 00:40:28,059
It was the embodiment
of what the Party was about.
489
00:40:28,059 --> 00:40:32,430
So finally we'd seen somebody
capture our thoughts,
490
00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:34,999
our gestures, our ideology.
491
00:40:34,999 --> 00:40:37,468
So the concept is this,
basically:
492
00:40:37,468 --> 00:40:40,938
The whole black nation
has to be put together
as a black army.
493
00:40:40,938 --> 00:40:43,942
And we gonna walk
on this nation.
494
00:40:43,942 --> 00:40:47,011
We gonna walk
on this racist power structure.
495
00:40:47,011 --> 00:40:50,948
And we gonna say
to the whole damn government,
"Stick 'em up, motherfucker.
496
00:40:50,948 --> 00:40:54,519
This is a holdup.
We come for what's ours."
497
00:40:54,519 --> 00:40:56,988
JENNINGS:
Huey Newton made everybody
in the Black Panther Party
498
00:40:56,988 --> 00:40:58,423
go see the movie.
499
00:40:58,423 --> 00:41:03,161
And he put
a revolutionary analysis
to this movie in our paper.
500
00:41:03,161 --> 00:41:09,033
And I don't think
Van Peebles knew and told
how powerful this movie was
501
00:41:09,033 --> 00:41:11,636
until Huey put
the analysis to it.
502
00:41:11,636 --> 00:41:14,372
When I see this photo,
it reminds me of Nat Turner
503
00:41:14,372 --> 00:41:17,408
or someone, like,
from the slavery days,
running for their freedom.
504
00:41:17,408 --> 00:41:20,978
And when he talks about
"feet don't fail me now,"
he's talking about--
505
00:41:20,978 --> 00:41:23,848
That's the only thing
black people had at that time--
506
00:41:23,848 --> 00:41:27,018
their feet
and their ability to survive.
507
00:41:34,492 --> 00:41:36,060
Fuck.
508
00:41:36,060 --> 00:41:37,929
(barking)
509
00:41:37,929 --> 00:41:42,333
At the very end, you don't know
if Sweet Sweetback
is dead or not
510
00:41:42,333 --> 00:41:43,801
when they sic the dogs on him.
511
00:41:43,801 --> 00:41:47,171
When you put dogs
on black people,
512
00:41:47,171 --> 00:41:50,508
black people will react
in a very hostile manner
513
00:41:50,508 --> 00:41:53,511
because of what's been
happening historical
to black people.
514
00:41:53,511 --> 00:41:56,414
So everybody was, like, angry,
515
00:41:56,414 --> 00:41:59,016
and they was cussing
at the screen
516
00:41:59,016 --> 00:42:02,153
because everybody thought
it was going to be the end
for Sweetback.
517
00:42:25,143 --> 00:42:28,646
So when we seen
that projected on the screen,
518
00:42:28,646 --> 00:42:32,483
all it did was help
to empower us even more.
519
00:42:32,483 --> 00:42:35,119
"Yeah, this has
finally got it right."
520
00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:37,922
I thought there were probably
a lot of people
out there like myself
521
00:42:37,922 --> 00:42:42,527
who just got tired of us
always going to the lynch mob
with a Bible and a hymn.
522
00:42:42,527 --> 00:42:45,663
And, um, I wanted a movie
523
00:42:45,663 --> 00:42:48,633
that black people could
walk out of standing tall,
524
00:42:48,633 --> 00:42:49,834
and, uh--
525
00:42:49,834 --> 00:42:51,569
at least
street black folk.
526
00:42:51,569 --> 00:42:56,040
Now, there are a whole lot of
people who, um, decided--
elitists-- that, um,
527
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,709
they had the key
to our salvation,
528
00:42:58,709 --> 00:43:00,678
and if you went
any other way you were--
529
00:43:00,678 --> 00:43:02,947
you were a dirty,
rotten traitor.
530
00:43:02,947 --> 00:43:05,183
Um, I won't deal with that.
531
00:43:05,183 --> 00:43:08,619
Either you loved it
or you hated it.
There was no in between.
532
00:43:08,619 --> 00:43:12,523
My parents, you know, hated it.
They wouldn't even
talk about it.
533
00:43:12,523 --> 00:43:15,326
They'd just read things
about it. "Oh, it's terrible.
It's terrible."
534
00:43:15,326 --> 00:43:17,228
And then some people
just said it was disgusting.
535
00:43:18,396 --> 00:43:20,798
Yeah, baby.
(farts)
536
00:43:20,798 --> 00:43:22,600
You gonna have
to be awful cool,
537
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,903
'cause what you do
reflects on all the rest
of our little employees.
538
00:43:25,903 --> 00:43:29,574
We can't have that
'cause we got
a good operation going here.
539
00:43:29,574 --> 00:43:31,843
BOURNE:
The black middle class tends to
540
00:43:31,843 --> 00:43:36,514
project itself and the race
as a positive image.
541
00:43:36,514 --> 00:43:40,451
The idea was to show
that we weren't degenerates.
We weren't weirdos.
542
00:43:40,451 --> 00:43:44,689
Well, Melvin running around,
getting down with white women
on motorcycles,
543
00:43:44,689 --> 00:43:48,759
that's not
a positive image, you see,
so they freaked out on that.
544
00:43:48,759 --> 00:43:51,429
Woman:
Oh! Sweetback!
545
00:43:51,429 --> 00:43:53,898
MAN:
There's a fear of blackness.
546
00:43:53,898 --> 00:43:57,034
And Melvin saw blackness
emerging as a commodity,
547
00:43:57,034 --> 00:44:00,104
as a commercial aspect
of popular culture.
548
00:44:00,104 --> 00:44:03,641
He's playing on
black sexual stereotyping
549
00:44:03,641 --> 00:44:05,243
and using that to
his advantage.
550
00:44:05,243 --> 00:44:11,516
I read an article about
how blacks could move
into the mainstream
551
00:44:11,516 --> 00:44:14,819
if they could only remember
their manners, et cetera.
552
00:44:14,819 --> 00:44:17,788
And I wrote an article--
the guy wouldn't publish it--
553
00:44:17,788 --> 00:44:19,490
but I sent it back
to the magazine.
554
00:44:19,490 --> 00:44:23,294
It was entitled
"How to Eat Your Watermelon
in White Company and Enjoy It."
555
00:44:23,294 --> 00:44:25,530
Well, if I like watermelon,
I'm gonna eat watermelon.
556
00:44:25,530 --> 00:44:28,966
Why should I not eat it
because of this--
Hey, forget it already.
557
00:44:28,966 --> 00:44:32,703
In fact, that sort of judo
558
00:44:32,703 --> 00:44:36,174
was one of the major
elements of Sweetback.
559
00:44:36,174 --> 00:44:40,244
I took every stereotype
and stood it on its head.
560
00:44:40,244 --> 00:44:42,280
The consummate huckster,
561
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,549
I mean, sort of
the African-American
P.T. Barnum--
562
00:44:44,549 --> 00:44:46,284
and I don't mean that
in a bad sense.
563
00:44:46,284 --> 00:44:48,519
I remember seeing the ad
in the paper as a kid.
564
00:44:48,519 --> 00:44:51,055
If Melvin were this black,
you wouldn't be able to see him.
565
00:44:51,055 --> 00:44:53,291
Nothing but the mustache.
It was in silhouette.
566
00:44:53,291 --> 00:44:55,993
It just sort of
popped off the paper.
567
00:44:57,395 --> 00:45:00,364
And then the line,
"Rated X by an all-white jury."
568
00:45:00,364 --> 00:45:05,036
He made himself
Bobby Seale, Huey Newton and
Eldridge Cleaver all in one.
569
00:45:05,036 --> 00:45:08,306
All my life I had seen
X-rated movies,
570
00:45:08,306 --> 00:45:12,877
if X-rated means damaging
to young minds.
571
00:45:12,877 --> 00:45:15,212
Well, there was Tarzan.
572
00:45:15,212 --> 00:45:17,548
There was King Kong.
There was Mantan Moreland,
573
00:45:17,548 --> 00:45:20,217
There were all
these Stepin Fetchits,
et cetera, et cetera.
574
00:45:20,217 --> 00:45:25,056
And I can't find, in my mind,
anything more devastating
to the psyche
575
00:45:25,056 --> 00:45:28,626
of a young
African-American or minority
than those things.
576
00:45:28,626 --> 00:45:30,394
You don't call those X?
577
00:45:30,394 --> 00:45:33,764
I think you've lost
your credibility to judge.
578
00:45:33,764 --> 00:45:37,668
And so,
I wouldn't go to them.
579
00:45:37,668 --> 00:45:41,172
And then when I wouldn't
go to them, that meant
I had an automatic X.
580
00:45:41,172 --> 00:45:44,575
That's when I made these
T-shirts and the slogan--
581
00:45:44,575 --> 00:45:46,944
"Rated X by an all-white jury."
582
00:45:46,944 --> 00:45:50,915
Valenti, he went ballistic.
"You can't say that. Race has
nothing to do with it."
583
00:45:50,915 --> 00:45:53,684
I said, "You're all white,
right?" "Yeah."
"So what's your problem?"
584
00:45:53,684 --> 00:45:57,355
And it was partially
because of that stance
585
00:45:57,355 --> 00:46:01,425
that the ratings board now
is more diversified.
586
00:46:02,593 --> 00:46:05,630
Melvin's a great marketer.
(chuckles)
587
00:46:05,630 --> 00:46:07,932
That was a marketing tool.
588
00:46:07,932 --> 00:46:12,069
They-- They did him a favor
by giving him an X rating.
589
00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:17,475
Whatever they did to him,
he turned it into a positive.
590
00:46:19,477 --> 00:46:22,113
BOURNE:
He is bullheaded,
591
00:46:22,113 --> 00:46:24,615
and he has a clear vision
of what he wants to do.
592
00:46:24,615 --> 00:46:28,252
And if you get in his way,
you're gonna get knocked over.
593
00:46:28,252 --> 00:46:30,821
I was on a panel
with Melvin in Ohio,
594
00:46:30,821 --> 00:46:33,424
sponsored by
a black-studies department.
595
00:46:33,424 --> 00:46:37,628
And we were all holding forth
about, you know,
theory and cinema
596
00:46:37,628 --> 00:46:43,200
and positive images
and, you know, the need for
a revolutionary cinema.
597
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,504
And the night before,
they had shown Sweetback,
598
00:46:46,504 --> 00:46:50,975
and a community brother
in the audience, he says,
599
00:46:50,975 --> 00:46:55,179
"Look, Melvin,
I saw your stuff last night,
and it was all dark, man.
600
00:46:55,179 --> 00:46:58,416
You really messed up
on the coloring.
It's too dark."
601
00:46:58,416 --> 00:47:00,384
So Melvin, he says to him,
602
00:47:00,384 --> 00:47:03,421
"Look, these are
artistic decisions that I made.
603
00:47:03,421 --> 00:47:06,691
I'd like to hear
how you react to 'em,
but they were not mistakes.
604
00:47:06,691 --> 00:47:10,494
Everything in that film
was thought out.
There's a reason for it."
605
00:47:10,494 --> 00:47:14,098
And the guy says,
"Man, as far as I'm concerned,
I thought it was fucked up."
606
00:47:14,098 --> 00:47:16,967
Melvin leaps off the stage,
607
00:47:16,967 --> 00:47:19,303
wades through the audience
and punches the cat out.
608
00:47:19,303 --> 00:47:21,205
Oh, that's it, motherfucker.
Bap!
609
00:47:21,205 --> 00:47:24,408
And this is academia, you know.
This is not supposed to happen.
610
00:47:24,408 --> 00:47:28,679
What I used to have
in my office
was so funny.
611
00:47:28,679 --> 00:47:32,450
And I regret to this day
I didn't buy 12 canisters of it.
612
00:47:32,450 --> 00:47:35,653
Somebody came along
selling watermelon spray.
613
00:47:35,653 --> 00:47:40,524
And sometimes when I had people
come into my office,
I would spray the office.
614
00:47:40,524 --> 00:47:42,860
And they would come in and say,
"Gee, Mel, what's that odor?
615
00:47:42,860 --> 00:47:47,765
It smells like,
uh, uh, uh, uh, cantaloupe,"
or something.
616
00:47:47,765 --> 00:47:50,668
No white folk wants to say--
(laughing)
617
00:47:50,668 --> 00:47:52,903
(French)
618
00:47:57,875 --> 00:47:59,443
MELVIN:
When Sweetback came out,
619
00:47:59,443 --> 00:48:02,413
only two theaters in
the entire United States
would show the thing.
620
00:48:02,413 --> 00:48:07,785
But it went on to become
the highest grossing
independent film up to its time.
621
00:48:07,785 --> 00:48:11,155
I owned everything.
I owned the music.
I owned the publishing.
622
00:48:11,155 --> 00:48:13,057
I owned the whole damn thing.
623
00:48:13,057 --> 00:48:16,460
That's-- You think,
"Oh, that's smart."
I was some financial wizard.
624
00:48:16,460 --> 00:48:18,028
No.
625
00:48:18,028 --> 00:48:20,931
Nobody would
come in with me.
626
00:48:20,931 --> 00:48:25,469
BOURNE:
When Melvin made Sweetback,
nobody could deny the power.
627
00:48:25,469 --> 00:48:29,673
But what happened was
the classic American process.
628
00:48:29,673 --> 00:48:34,044
What Hollywood said,
"Wow. A lot of people
like this stuff.
629
00:48:34,044 --> 00:48:37,047
Let's take the formula for it,
630
00:48:37,047 --> 00:48:39,517
take out the politics
631
00:48:39,517 --> 00:48:41,819
and give 'em
a wave of these films."
632
00:48:41,819 --> 00:48:47,691
And essentially,
blaxploitation is
the bastard child of Sweetback.
633
00:48:47,691 --> 00:48:48,959
My name's Coffy.
634
00:49:05,442 --> 00:49:07,244
MAN:
They made Shaft.
They made Superfly.
635
00:49:07,244 --> 00:49:10,014
There was a chance
for black actors
636
00:49:10,014 --> 00:49:12,383
to get some work
in leading-man roles.
637
00:49:12,383 --> 00:49:15,286
But there was also
something else going on.
638
00:49:15,286 --> 00:49:19,723
What they did was
they perverted the message.
639
00:49:19,723 --> 00:49:22,993
Bobby Rush, ex-Panther,
Congressman Bobby Rush,
said to me,
640
00:49:22,993 --> 00:49:27,031
"One of the things that your
father's film Sweet Sweetback's
Baadasssss Song did
641
00:49:27,031 --> 00:49:31,068
was it made being
a revolutionary hip.
642
00:49:31,068 --> 00:49:35,439
And the Panthers made
being a revolutionary hip.
643
00:49:35,439 --> 00:49:38,542
But Superfly made
being a drug dealer hip."
644
00:49:40,611 --> 00:49:42,146
Big difference.
645
00:49:45,816 --> 00:49:49,553
That impact of Superfly
and a lot of these movies
did a lot of damage.
646
00:49:49,553 --> 00:49:53,924
And eventually, if you
make enough shark movies
or enough Vietnam movies,
647
00:49:53,924 --> 00:49:55,759
people will get tired
of going to them.
648
00:49:55,759 --> 00:50:00,130
And what they did
was they shut the economic doors
in Hollywood, and they said--
649
00:50:00,130 --> 00:50:03,067
They didn't say
"Those action-y movies
aren't making money anymore."
650
00:50:03,067 --> 00:50:05,803
They said, "Those movies
with those black people
aren't making money anymore,"
651
00:50:05,803 --> 00:50:07,238
and they shut
the economic doors.
652
00:50:09,306 --> 00:50:12,877
My dad said to me later on,
he learned from that process
of doing Sweetback
653
00:50:12,877 --> 00:50:17,147
that it was very important
that the big boys win
when you win.
654
00:50:19,216 --> 00:50:22,286
If they don't win when you win,
they have no interest
in you winning.
655
00:50:22,286 --> 00:50:26,457
In fact, they have an interest
in you not winning, and
they'll resent your winning.
656
00:50:27,758 --> 00:50:30,294
He didn't get another job.
657
00:50:30,294 --> 00:50:33,764
Here's a man that produced and
directed an independent hit--
acted in it--
658
00:50:33,764 --> 00:50:38,168
and didn't get other
acting offers, and didn't get
other directing offers.
659
00:50:48,746 --> 00:50:51,682
Twenty years later, kids that
grew up on that stuff,
660
00:50:51,682 --> 00:50:54,051
kids like Spike Lee,
kids like Mario Van Peebles,
661
00:50:54,051 --> 00:50:57,821
kids like the Hudlin brothers,
kids like John Singleton, uh,
662
00:50:57,821 --> 00:50:59,623
who grew up seeing those movies.
663
00:50:59,623 --> 00:51:01,558
"Hey, I want to do that."
664
00:51:01,558 --> 00:51:03,594
Because they were shown
it was possible.
665
00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:08,632
My dad, he didn't open doors.
He blew them off the hinges.
666
00:51:20,144 --> 00:51:25,149
Uh, what are your interests
for the future as far as
music and film is concerned?
667
00:51:25,149 --> 00:51:28,686
Well, my interest for the future
is just like my interest
for the past, man.
668
00:51:28,686 --> 00:51:32,690
Whatever I think can
further the consciousness
669
00:51:32,690 --> 00:51:37,127
of the disenfranchised
third-world folk.
670
00:51:37,127 --> 00:51:42,299
If cinema no longer becomes
relevant to the struggle,
I ain't gonna make another film.
671
00:51:42,299 --> 00:51:46,870
Um, if music,
for some unforeseeable reason,
672
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:52,776
no longer is the message,
or one of the methods
673
00:51:52,776 --> 00:51:56,647
of reaching the folks,
then I'll have to put it down.
674
00:51:56,647 --> 00:52:01,151
Um, it does not--
The media does not dictate
the message, man.
675
00:52:01,151 --> 00:52:04,254
The need dictates the media.
676
00:52:06,590 --> 00:52:10,427
♪ Just don't make no sense ♪
677
00:52:10,427 --> 00:52:15,199
♪ The way my corns
are hurting me ♪
678
00:52:15,199 --> 00:52:19,536
♪ When a man
runs his game ♪
679
00:52:19,536 --> 00:52:24,308
♪ Lord knows he sure
runs it mean ♪
680
00:52:24,308 --> 00:52:28,612
♪ Four buses gone by
for them ♪
681
00:52:28,612 --> 00:52:32,416
♪ And not one
gone by for me ♪
682
00:52:32,416 --> 00:52:35,719
♪ Hey, cruise on
in your bad ride, brother ♪
683
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,922
♪ Let the world know
you is somebody, yeah ♪
684
00:52:38,922 --> 00:52:41,658
♪ No, no ♪
685
00:52:41,658 --> 00:52:45,562
♪ Just don't make no sense ♪
686
00:52:45,562 --> 00:52:48,665
♪ The way these corns
are hurting me ♪♪
687
00:52:48,665 --> 00:52:51,435
You've had, uh,
tremendous public--
688
00:52:51,435 --> 00:52:57,441
and it's irrelevant what kind of
financial success you've had
from Sweet Sweetback and--
689
00:52:57,441 --> 00:53:00,277
Well, it's not irrelevant.
It's very important.
I mean--
690
00:53:00,277 --> 00:53:03,080
- Well, it's personal also.
- No, it's not personal.
691
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,849
You know, Ellis,
you're very kind
692
00:53:05,849 --> 00:53:11,155
because the money aspect
is usually a thing
not to be discussed
693
00:53:11,155 --> 00:53:14,658
because people who've made money
usually get very uptight.
694
00:53:14,658 --> 00:53:19,296
I have no qualms
about the money I made
because the money is power.
695
00:53:19,296 --> 00:53:22,866
The money has allowed Ain't Supposed to Die
to stand there.
696
00:53:25,636 --> 00:53:30,174
MAN:
The first--
Probably the first hard-nosed
697
00:53:30,174 --> 00:53:33,610
black scream
ever done on Broadway.
698
00:53:34,978 --> 00:53:37,147
Black theater was--
There was Raisin in the Sun,
699
00:53:37,147 --> 00:53:40,551
and the musical Raisin,
and Purlie Victorious--
700
00:53:40,551 --> 00:53:43,353
but there was nothing
that came from the stomach,
701
00:53:43,353 --> 00:53:46,190
no visceral black theater.
702
00:53:46,190 --> 00:53:47,791
Melvin wrote something
703
00:53:48,659 --> 00:53:50,627
using jazz riffs
704
00:53:51,295 --> 00:53:54,064
about various people
705
00:53:54,064 --> 00:53:56,533
living in a ghetto
and their pain.
706
00:53:56,533 --> 00:53:59,303
The postman who goes crazy,
707
00:53:59,303 --> 00:54:01,638
the guy that's being executed,
708
00:54:01,638 --> 00:54:05,142
the bag lady,
the black cop on the street,
709
00:54:05,142 --> 00:54:06,743
the kid that's running
away from the cop.
710
00:54:06,743 --> 00:54:10,114
Come on, feet.
Do this for me.
711
00:54:10,114 --> 00:54:13,484
AZENBERG: He thinks that
because he can run fast
he can outrun a bullet.
712
00:54:14,718 --> 00:54:17,321
As the bullet hits him
and he dies,
713
00:54:17,321 --> 00:54:19,323
the feet never stop running.
714
00:54:21,425 --> 00:54:25,062
Those were people that had
no voices in the society,
715
00:54:25,062 --> 00:54:27,064
and Melvin gave them a voice.
716
00:54:27,064 --> 00:54:29,266
What I'm trying to do
is train,
717
00:54:29,266 --> 00:54:33,203
or make opportunities
for other blacks, um,
718
00:54:33,203 --> 00:54:38,475
to-- to explore
wherever their heads lie,
so there is a broader thing.
719
00:54:38,475 --> 00:54:40,511
One of the complaints leveled
against Sweetback--
720
00:54:40,511 --> 00:54:43,280
It was, um, all blacks
weren't like that.
721
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,082
Well, absolutely not.
722
00:54:45,082 --> 00:54:50,487
Just like any of the 19 segments
in Ain't Supposed to Die
a Natural Death
723
00:54:50,487 --> 00:54:52,289
is not blackness in itself.
724
00:54:52,289 --> 00:54:57,027
Even the ensemble of
all those things do not
represent the mirrored facets.
725
00:54:57,027 --> 00:55:00,831
Uh, the only thing to
do about that is get more
brothers and sisters up there
726
00:55:00,831 --> 00:55:04,701
where they can express
where they're coming from
and what they know.
727
00:55:04,701 --> 00:55:08,338
WOMAN:
When the show started,
the house lights are on.
728
00:55:08,338 --> 00:55:12,075
And the set is visible.
There's no curtain.
729
00:55:12,075 --> 00:55:16,013
And the band plays
"The Star-Spangled Banner."
730
00:55:16,013 --> 00:55:20,417
And this is the early 1970s,
731
00:55:20,417 --> 00:55:23,754
and people are having to
define themselves
732
00:55:23,754 --> 00:55:25,989
by hearing
"The Star-Spangled Banner"
in a theater
733
00:55:25,989 --> 00:55:28,992
like they hear it
in a baseball game,
and they don't know what to do.
734
00:55:28,992 --> 00:55:32,663
Did it mean if they stood up
were they with Reagan or Nixon?
735
00:55:32,663 --> 00:55:36,266
And if they sat, did it mean
they were aligning themselves
with the militants?
736
00:55:36,266 --> 00:55:39,903
It was a very,
very profound statement.
737
00:55:39,903 --> 00:55:41,805
AZENBERG:
We just thought,
this is what you do.
738
00:55:41,805 --> 00:55:43,574
You're supposed to produce plays
that are meaningful,
739
00:55:43,574 --> 00:55:45,809
that have something to say,
it's about something.
740
00:55:45,809 --> 00:55:49,179
So we did it.
We didn't know,
nor did we think--
741
00:55:49,179 --> 00:55:53,684
There weren't even the terms
marketing in those days.
We just did it.
742
00:55:54,885 --> 00:55:57,788
What turned
out is that an audience
743
00:55:57,788 --> 00:56:00,991
that had heretofore
never gone to the theater
started to show up.
744
00:56:04,094 --> 00:56:08,232
MELVIN:
The audience did not know
what a hard ticket sale was,
745
00:56:08,232 --> 00:56:11,935
and people would buy their
ticket, they'd come early,
sit down and wait an hour.
746
00:56:11,935 --> 00:56:13,570
Then somebody would say,
"You're sitting in my seat."
747
00:56:13,570 --> 00:56:16,440
"What do you mean,
I'm sitting in your seat?
I've been here an hour."
748
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,343
They didn't realize
each seat had a number on it.
749
00:56:21,211 --> 00:56:24,014
(shouting)
750
00:56:24,014 --> 00:56:26,416
AZENBERG:
Some numbers were devastating.
751
00:56:26,416 --> 00:56:30,487
The last number in the show
was Minnie Gentry,
who plays a bag lady.
752
00:56:30,487 --> 00:56:34,324
She'd been wandering
around for the entire evening
on the street,
753
00:56:34,324 --> 00:56:37,961
and then she turns to
the audience and says,
"Put a curse on you."
754
00:56:37,961 --> 00:56:39,796
Put a curse on you!
755
00:56:41,398 --> 00:56:46,069
May all of your children
end up junkies too.
756
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:51,775
Your mind been
tricked by the power
to buy that ounce.
757
00:56:51,775 --> 00:56:55,412
Your young daughters
give rich old dudes
758
00:56:55,412 --> 00:56:58,515
head in limousines too.
759
00:57:00,250 --> 00:57:01,952
Put a curse on you.
760
00:57:03,220 --> 00:57:04,855
AZENBERG:
The audience went crazy.
761
00:57:04,855 --> 00:57:09,326
I-It spoke such pain
that people screamed and yelled.
762
00:57:09,326 --> 00:57:12,262
People were weeping.
It was a killer.
763
00:57:12,262 --> 00:57:17,868
Ain't got
nothing else to do.
764
00:57:17,868 --> 00:57:20,871
BONUS:
When the lady at the end says,
"I put a curse on you.
765
00:57:20,871 --> 00:57:23,440
May all your children
end up junkies too"--
766
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,676
And I'm sitting there
and I'm thinking,
767
00:57:25,676 --> 00:57:27,911
I had an interracial marriage.
768
00:57:27,911 --> 00:57:32,382
When my daughter's father left
and my marriage fell apart, um,
769
00:57:32,382 --> 00:57:34,618
everything I believed in
fell apart
770
00:57:34,618 --> 00:57:40,324
because people divided in
my life on a racial basis.
771
00:57:40,324 --> 00:57:43,427
And, um--
772
00:57:47,197 --> 00:57:51,668
And when I went to see Ain't Supposed to Die
that night
773
00:57:51,668 --> 00:57:54,204
and heard these voices
774
00:57:57,174 --> 00:58:00,077
saying what I felt
and what I was experiencing
775
00:58:00,077 --> 00:58:04,715
and what I knew my daughter
was gonna experience, um,
776
00:58:05,949 --> 00:58:08,518
I was really
shaken to my core
777
00:58:08,518 --> 00:58:12,756
that the truth could be said
in such a way that--
778
00:58:12,756 --> 00:58:15,325
You know, the people
that got uncomfortable
779
00:58:15,325 --> 00:58:18,795
when they sawAin't Supposed to Die,
they were shamed
780
00:58:18,795 --> 00:58:22,232
because it told
the truth about America.
781
00:58:22,232 --> 00:58:25,569
(shouting)
782
00:58:25,569 --> 00:58:27,637
WOMAN:
There was no reconciliation.
783
00:58:27,637 --> 00:58:30,474
It's so Melvinesque,
not to have a reconciliation
784
00:58:30,474 --> 00:58:32,909
where everybody comes together
very happily,
785
00:58:32,909 --> 00:58:35,645
and the addict goes to rehab
and this goes to that.
786
00:58:35,645 --> 00:58:38,081
No. It was
it's going to continue.
787
00:58:38,081 --> 00:58:41,518
AZENBERG:
The New York Times roasted it.
788
00:58:41,518 --> 00:58:45,489
Clive Barnes found it offensive,
789
00:58:45,489 --> 00:58:47,524
and he wrote this awful notice
790
00:58:47,524 --> 00:58:50,193
and then apologized
on the radio the next day.
791
00:58:50,193 --> 00:58:53,830
And he said, "I missed it.
I missed its pain."
792
00:58:53,830 --> 00:58:57,934
It helped for a while when
we got the seven nominations.
793
00:58:57,934 --> 00:59:02,539
But for the most part,
the white audience
was afraid of it.
794
00:59:02,539 --> 00:59:06,610
They don't want to be yelled it.
White people wanted to come to
the theater for entertainment.
795
00:59:06,610 --> 00:59:10,881
ANNOUNCER: Tonight, from
the stage of the Broadway
Theatre in New York City,
796
00:59:10,881 --> 00:59:12,716
the League of New York
Theatres presents
797
00:59:12,716 --> 00:59:17,154
the 26th annual celebration
of the American Theatre Wing's
Tony Awards.
798
00:59:17,154 --> 00:59:21,525
With scenes from
Jesus Christ, Superstar,
799
00:59:21,525 --> 00:59:23,160
No, No Nanette,
800
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,062
Ain't Supposed to Die
a Natural Death,
801
00:59:26,062 --> 00:59:29,232
and the musicals
of Rodgers & Hammerstein.
802
00:59:29,232 --> 00:59:31,735
(applause)
803
00:59:31,735 --> 00:59:35,839
Ain't Supposed to Die
a Natural Death
804
00:59:35,839 --> 00:59:38,875
is a series of songs
and musical sketches
805
00:59:38,875 --> 00:59:42,379
which surround us
with the heartbreak
and the humor,
806
00:59:42,379 --> 00:59:47,784
the frustrations
and the lifestyle
of the urban black ghetto.
807
00:59:47,784 --> 00:59:52,589
In the writing, the book--
in other words,
the music and the lyrics--
808
00:59:52,589 --> 00:59:57,627
they are all
the passionate work of one man,
Melvin Van Peebles.
809
00:59:57,627 --> 01:00:01,364
And as the critic
of the New York Times
said in his review,
810
01:00:01,364 --> 01:00:03,800
"New York and its friendly,
neighborhood ghetto
811
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,570
has moved away somewhat
from Damon Runyon,
812
01:00:06,570 --> 01:00:09,673
and Mr. Van Peebles
is taking note of
the transition.
813
01:00:09,673 --> 01:00:12,242
I suspect," the Times continues,
814
01:00:12,242 --> 01:00:15,979
"that this is a fair picture
of a 1971 street scene,
815
01:00:15,979 --> 01:00:19,583
not, dear friend, on
the street where you live"--
816
01:00:19,583 --> 01:00:23,286
AZENBERG:
Did it have lasting impact
on some people? Sure.
817
01:00:23,286 --> 01:00:28,191
You just tap the sensibilities
of somebody, it stays.
818
01:00:28,959 --> 01:00:31,161
And, uh,
819
01:00:31,161 --> 01:00:36,466
it certainly opened the door
for other "black theater."
820
01:00:36,466 --> 01:00:39,870
♪ Oh, yeah, yeah ♪
821
01:00:41,738 --> 01:00:44,574
♪ You cut up the clothes ♪
822
01:00:44,574 --> 01:00:47,310
♪ In the closet of my dreams ♪
823
01:00:48,678 --> 01:00:55,085
♪ You pulled on the sleeves
and ripped out the seams ♪
824
01:00:55,085 --> 01:00:58,121
MAN:
Here's how I found out
about Dont Play Us Cheap.
825
01:00:58,121 --> 01:01:01,591
Melvin asked me to come by
the office and pick up a script.
826
01:01:01,591 --> 01:01:03,927
In the office
was Manny Azenberg,
827
01:01:03,927 --> 01:01:06,363
and Manny had the same script
in his hand.
828
01:01:06,363 --> 01:01:09,132
And Melvin looked at the two
of us, first at me, and he said,
829
01:01:09,132 --> 01:01:12,435
"Jerry, is that a film
or a play?"
830
01:01:12,435 --> 01:01:14,604
I said, "It's a film."
And he looked at Manny,
831
01:01:14,604 --> 01:01:16,840
and he said,
"Is that a film or a play?"
832
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:18,375
And Manny said, "A play."
833
01:01:18,375 --> 01:01:21,278
And Melvin said,
"You're both right."
(laughing)
834
01:01:23,413 --> 01:01:25,815
He said, "Tell you what
we're gonna do, guys.
835
01:01:25,815 --> 01:01:28,818
We're gonna make this
as a movie,
836
01:01:28,818 --> 01:01:32,589
and we're gonna rehearse
the movie as if it was a play.
837
01:01:32,589 --> 01:01:34,925
We're going to record
the soundtrack.
838
01:01:34,925 --> 01:01:39,696
We're going to shoot the movie
after it's well rehearsed.
839
01:01:39,696 --> 01:01:43,233
Manny, you will have
built a set
840
01:01:43,233 --> 01:01:46,403
and prepared
the Broadway production
and sell the tickets.
841
01:01:46,403 --> 01:01:48,972
We'll start running the play.
842
01:01:48,972 --> 01:01:51,875
We'll take three or four months
to run the play
843
01:01:51,875 --> 01:01:53,476
while I go back
and cut the film,
844
01:01:53,476 --> 01:01:55,779
and when the play is beginning
to need a boost,
845
01:01:55,779 --> 01:01:57,881
we'll release the film."
846
01:01:59,950 --> 01:02:02,852
MAN:
The major impact
of Dont Play Us Cheap
847
01:02:02,852 --> 01:02:05,188
and Ain't Supposed to Die
a Natural Death--
848
01:02:05,188 --> 01:02:08,592
Because at one time, both was
running at the same time.
849
01:02:08,592 --> 01:02:11,394
It was one of the few times
in the history of the American
theater
850
01:02:11,394 --> 01:02:14,164
a black writer had--
probably the only time--
851
01:02:14,164 --> 01:02:17,200
had two shows on Broadway
at the same time.
852
01:02:17,867 --> 01:02:20,470
But while you may have
853
01:02:20,470 --> 01:02:25,408
more blacks on Broadway
than ever before in the seats,
854
01:02:25,408 --> 01:02:29,679
it is not enough
to pay the bills
that Broadway demands.
855
01:02:29,679 --> 01:02:32,415
We struggled every week
to get through.
856
01:02:32,415 --> 01:02:34,584
But we got through each week
for a year.
857
01:02:34,584 --> 01:02:37,020
We didn't think hit.
858
01:02:37,020 --> 01:02:40,957
You can't think of doingAin't Supposed to Die
a Natural Death and think "hit."
859
01:02:42,292 --> 01:02:44,194
He made no money onAin't Supposed to Die
860
01:02:44,194 --> 01:02:45,996
and no money onDont Play Us Cheap.
861
01:02:48,498 --> 01:02:53,570
BOURNE: He has a saying--
A setback is just an opportunity
in work clothes.
862
01:02:53,570 --> 01:02:55,739
He always says that.
863
01:02:55,739 --> 01:02:58,508
So, you know,
I think that's what he feels.
864
01:02:58,508 --> 01:03:04,414
He says, "Listen, it can be done
if you have a setback.
865
01:03:04,414 --> 01:03:06,016
It just means
you're gonna have to find
866
01:03:06,016 --> 01:03:09,719
another opportunity
to do what you want to do,
'cause you will do it."
867
01:03:09,719 --> 01:03:12,455
I mean, he's just indomitable.
That's the way he thinks.
868
01:03:12,455 --> 01:03:17,227
He talks about
the art of the possible.
The art of the possible.
869
01:03:17,227 --> 01:03:20,397
And-And-And being bold
and direct in attaining it.
870
01:03:20,397 --> 01:03:25,068
He's the same way, you know,
sort of coming on to women.
871
01:03:25,068 --> 01:03:30,473
Everybody's always
asking me about girls
because, um--
872
01:03:30,473 --> 01:03:34,544
And in Cosmopolitan,
I was named
the bachelor of the month.
873
01:03:34,544 --> 01:03:38,281
- Oh.
- And the girl came and
asked me. She interviewed me.
874
01:03:38,281 --> 01:03:41,518
She asked me, you know,
my philosophy of women,
et cetera, et cetera.
875
01:03:41,518 --> 01:03:44,287
And I explained to her
I like girls who didn't tell,
didn't yell,
876
01:03:44,287 --> 01:03:46,456
didn't swell
and were grateful as hell.
877
01:03:46,456 --> 01:03:47,924
And she put, "Articulate."
878
01:04:11,047 --> 01:04:13,149
♪ Come on, feet ♪
879
01:04:13,149 --> 01:04:15,385
♪ Cruise for me ♪
880
01:04:15,385 --> 01:04:18,021
♪ Trouble ain't no place to be ♪
881
01:04:18,021 --> 01:04:22,859
MAN: His morning run consisted
of a series of stops
that he'd make along the way.
882
01:04:22,859 --> 01:04:27,030
He had six, seven different
women he had to "keep happy"
during the week.
883
01:04:27,030 --> 01:04:30,934
And while he did this,
he had to visit them.
He had to pay attention.
884
01:04:30,934 --> 01:04:34,304
One was a contortionist.
He'd go to her.
He'd get that going.
885
01:04:34,304 --> 01:04:37,841
The next one he'd talk about--
more of a domestic woman
886
01:04:37,841 --> 01:04:40,877
who would cook him
a pancake breakfast,
and then he'd take care of her.
887
01:04:40,877 --> 01:04:45,215
Then he'd be on to the next one.
He was taking care of them along
the way along this route.
888
01:04:45,215 --> 01:04:50,220
Like the bee going from flower
to flower, you know,
taking a little from everywhere.
889
01:04:50,220 --> 01:04:54,991
WOMAN:
He keeps them
really well organized.
890
01:04:54,991 --> 01:04:58,061
If you are Tuesday night,
you're Tuesday night,
891
01:04:58,061 --> 01:05:00,997
and don't come or call
on Wednesday evening.
892
01:05:02,365 --> 01:05:03,933
That's my father.
893
01:05:05,168 --> 01:05:07,604
ALLEN:
If you want to be a part
of Melvin's world,
894
01:05:07,604 --> 01:05:11,674
you really have to understand
his life and his work.
895
01:05:11,674 --> 01:05:15,612
There are clear boundaries.
There is work and there is play.
896
01:05:15,612 --> 01:05:20,683
And if one minute
after 6:00 work begin?
Play stops at 6:00.
897
01:05:20,683 --> 01:05:23,920
You know, and there is no way
to get him back to play.
898
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:27,023
♪ Yeah, must have run all day ♪
899
01:05:27,023 --> 01:05:28,892
♪ Sure have a bitch ♪
900
01:05:28,892 --> 01:05:31,461
♪ Must have run all day ♪♪
901
01:05:31,461 --> 01:05:34,798
DWELLINGHAM: There's a day
when we were gonna go on down
to Philadelphia.
902
01:05:34,798 --> 01:05:39,803
My wife was with me,
so Mel said come over to the
office and wait for me.
903
01:05:39,803 --> 01:05:43,840
So we're sitting in the office,
and this woman come in
to interview Melvin.
904
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:47,043
Nice looking blonde woman.
Nice body. The whole thing.
905
01:05:47,043 --> 01:05:50,413
Next thing I hear,
the woman in there moanin'.
906
01:05:50,413 --> 01:05:54,417
I said, "Now what the hell
is happening in there now?"
907
01:05:54,417 --> 01:05:58,454
Then I hear the woman,
she getting louder and louder
and everything.
908
01:05:58,454 --> 01:06:00,256
Melvin in there
doin' the woman.
909
01:06:00,256 --> 01:06:03,226
I said,
"Damn it.
Did he know that woman?"
910
01:06:03,226 --> 01:06:05,595
This is when
I had just started
working with him.
911
01:06:05,595 --> 01:06:08,498
That's when I really found out
how this guy was, you know.
912
01:06:08,498 --> 01:06:12,101
And he was in there
doin' the woman.
The woman moanin' and groanin'.
913
01:06:12,101 --> 01:06:14,704
They goin' at it like crazy,
you know.
914
01:06:14,704 --> 01:06:18,508
And my wife say, "Did he know
that woman?" I said,
"No, he didn't know that woman!"
915
01:06:18,508 --> 01:06:23,746
Melvin had no problem
with my porn career.
916
01:06:23,746 --> 01:06:27,183
Uh, often showed up
at some of my shoots, uh,
917
01:06:27,183 --> 01:06:29,152
and chatted up the models.
918
01:06:29,152 --> 01:06:33,923
Um, one of my publishers used to
give me a certain amount
of money every month
919
01:06:33,923 --> 01:06:37,393
to make big parties
to promote the magazine
and to do shoots.
920
01:06:37,393 --> 01:06:40,230
We had all kinds of
strange goings-on,
921
01:06:40,230 --> 01:06:43,266
and naked people and models
at those parties.
922
01:06:43,266 --> 01:06:45,335
Uh, I don't think Melvin
missed too many of those.
923
01:06:45,335 --> 01:06:51,007
My love belongs to you.
924
01:06:51,007 --> 01:06:53,977
♪ My love belongs to you
Mm-mmm ♪
925
01:06:53,977 --> 01:06:57,380
♪ My love belongs to you
Mm-mmm ♪
926
01:06:57,380 --> 01:07:00,483
♪ My love belongs to you
Mm-mmm ♪
927
01:07:00,483 --> 01:07:04,587
Well, the first thing you do,
you go in bodacious on 'em.
928
01:07:04,587 --> 01:07:06,656
You know what I mean,
don't you, fellas?
929
01:07:07,991 --> 01:07:10,193
You throw 'em off balance,
you dig?
930
01:07:12,428 --> 01:07:16,299
♪ Forever, we're through ♪
931
01:07:16,299 --> 01:07:18,534
♪ I don't mean just yesterday ♪
932
01:07:18,534 --> 01:07:20,670
♪ I'm talkin' about today ♪♪
933
01:07:20,670 --> 01:07:24,874
MARIO:
He doesn't take himself
too seriously.
934
01:07:24,874 --> 01:07:27,844
He's the one that said,
"Man, you've got four stages
in your life.
935
01:07:27,844 --> 01:07:33,182
There's Mario who? Get me Mario.
Get me a young Mario.
And Mario who?"
936
01:07:33,182 --> 01:07:35,318
So do something
you're proud of
while you're here.
937
01:07:36,819 --> 01:07:40,823
MAN:
He's made a hit movie and been
nominated for nine Tony Awards.
938
01:07:40,823 --> 01:07:45,862
So what is Melvin Van Peebles
doing on the floor of the
American Stock Exchange?
939
01:07:45,862 --> 01:07:49,032
MELVIN:
I tend to hang with
businessmen quite often
940
01:07:49,032 --> 01:07:51,701
because they deal a little more
where the rubber meets the road.
941
01:07:51,701 --> 01:07:55,571
We were going to put money
into a project,
Henry Jarecki and I,
942
01:07:55,571 --> 01:07:59,676
and we were arguing
about the rate of return.
943
01:07:59,676 --> 01:08:02,979
And I said one thing,
and he said another.
944
01:08:02,979 --> 01:08:05,481
MAN:
My memory is that
there was a bet.
945
01:08:05,481 --> 01:08:07,750
I don't even remember
what it was that we bet about.
946
01:08:07,750 --> 01:08:10,353
Come on, Henry, give me a break.
What's the vigorish of the bet?
947
01:08:10,353 --> 01:08:12,488
I mean, you know--
And the vigorish--
948
01:08:12,488 --> 01:08:16,059
that is, the interest of
the bet on his side
was if I lost,
949
01:08:16,059 --> 01:08:17,527
I'd go to work
on Wall Street.
950
01:08:21,698 --> 01:08:23,666
MAN:
To become a market maker
down there,
951
01:08:23,666 --> 01:08:27,070
you need to put your time in
and really learn
over a period of years.
952
01:08:27,070 --> 01:08:29,872
It takes a while to assimilate
all that material
and to learn the language.
953
01:08:29,872 --> 01:08:31,641
You're using a different
language to trade in.
954
01:08:31,641 --> 01:08:34,143
(babbling)
I didn't know what
they're talking about.
955
01:08:34,143 --> 01:08:38,114
Everybody who'd been there
had worked their way up
for 15 years, et cetera.
956
01:08:38,114 --> 01:08:39,716
I understood nothing.
957
01:08:39,716 --> 01:08:44,520
And so two days later
I took the test,
and I didn't pass it.
958
01:08:45,788 --> 01:08:48,324
And so I was off the hook,
more or less.
959
01:08:48,324 --> 01:08:52,528
But then, that sort of
got my goat, et cetera.
960
01:08:52,528 --> 01:08:55,064
And so I hired myself
out as a clerk.
961
01:08:55,064 --> 01:08:56,699
I was probably the oldest clerk.
962
01:08:56,699 --> 01:09:00,203
And after a while,
what sounded like Greek
963
01:09:00,203 --> 01:09:03,606
began to sound like
Old English,
964
01:09:03,606 --> 01:09:06,843
began to sound like
Shakespearean English,
965
01:09:06,843 --> 01:09:08,778
and then began
to make sense.
966
01:09:08,778 --> 01:09:13,616
So the next month I took
the test again, and I passed.
967
01:09:13,616 --> 01:09:15,852
And two weeks later,
I was a trader on Wall Street.
968
01:09:19,789 --> 01:09:23,326
And on
the American Stock Exchange,
I was the first black trader.
969
01:09:24,627 --> 01:09:26,996
NICHOLS:
He would do it in his own way.
Even down to--
970
01:09:26,996 --> 01:09:29,232
In the very beginning,
he'd give me
these trade tickets.
971
01:09:29,232 --> 01:09:31,200
And you were supposed to write
what you bought.
972
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,936
You bought a January call
at whatever price.
973
01:09:33,936 --> 01:09:38,174
And Melvin had a whole shorthand
that wasn't regular shorthand.
He made it up.
974
01:09:38,174 --> 01:09:39,942
Hey--
What are you talking about?
975
01:09:39,942 --> 01:09:42,078
No more of them remarks.
976
01:09:42,078 --> 01:09:46,382
NICHOLS: Melvin would come
walking in with this real crazy,
complex kind of trade,
977
01:09:46,382 --> 01:09:49,652
and get the specialist going,
"What is this?"
and scratching their heads.
978
01:09:49,652 --> 01:09:52,255
And while they were scratching
their heads and saying,
"Where'd you get-- What's this?"
979
01:09:52,255 --> 01:09:56,125
Melvin would start
engaging them in conversation,
tell them a joke,
980
01:09:56,125 --> 01:09:57,760
get them distracted.
981
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:01,097
He got them to do the trade.
He'd walk away having
the order filled,
982
01:10:01,097 --> 01:10:03,900
and the specialist is sitting
there scratching their head,
"What is this all about?"
983
01:10:06,736 --> 01:10:08,738
MAN:
The fact that he came from
a theater background
984
01:10:08,738 --> 01:10:11,340
almost actually
was his saving grace.
985
01:10:11,340 --> 01:10:13,342
Because when you would walk
into these crowds,
986
01:10:13,342 --> 01:10:15,044
it was a performance.
987
01:10:15,044 --> 01:10:18,648
You would walk in and there
would be maybe 10, 15
people standing there,
988
01:10:18,648 --> 01:10:20,616
and you would announce
what you wanted to do.
989
01:10:20,616 --> 01:10:22,952
And there was a certain
theatrical nature to it.
990
01:10:22,952 --> 01:10:24,987
And these are not, you know,
just nice people.
991
01:10:24,987 --> 01:10:28,825
These are, you know,
these seasoned,
veteran traders
992
01:10:28,825 --> 01:10:30,693
who have been down there
for 10 years,
993
01:10:30,693 --> 01:10:35,098
and they all have
an ax to grind, and you had to
have some presence.
994
01:10:35,098 --> 01:10:36,899
And he had a lot of presence.
995
01:10:38,568 --> 01:10:41,904
WOMAN:
He would wear very wide,
out-of-fashion ties,
996
01:10:41,904 --> 01:10:43,773
And the reason he wore
these out-of-fashion ties
997
01:10:43,773 --> 01:10:45,708
was that became the joke on
the floor of the exchange.
998
01:10:45,708 --> 01:10:47,477
What kind of tie
is Van Peebles wearing today?
999
01:10:47,477 --> 01:10:49,378
And, "Hey, Van Peebles,
where'd you get that tie?"
1000
01:10:49,378 --> 01:10:53,716
It was his way
of giving people an opening
to be friendly with him.
1001
01:10:56,586 --> 01:11:02,258
He didn't have the kind of style
that the floor traders did,
1002
01:11:02,258 --> 01:11:04,560
but he was very sensible
and thoughtful
1003
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:07,563
and a big help in getting us
to think about it.
1004
01:11:07,563 --> 01:11:09,832
And he ultimately
even did a book about it.
1005
01:11:09,832 --> 01:11:15,204
Uh, I think the two of us were
staggered to see a book on
options trading
1006
01:11:15,204 --> 01:11:17,106
from Melvin Van Peebles.
Right.
1007
01:11:17,106 --> 01:11:20,510
Four years later, I turned on
the TV, and there's Melvin
on Channel 5 or whatever,
1008
01:11:20,510 --> 01:11:24,714
talking about, you know,
as a financial options analyst,
talking about the market.
1009
01:11:24,714 --> 01:11:26,782
I was flabbergasted.
I couldn't believe it.
Right.
1010
01:11:26,782 --> 01:11:28,251
How did he do that?
1011
01:11:28,251 --> 01:11:32,321
MELVIN:
Is Wall Street a vital link in
commerce or a rich man's bingo?
1012
01:11:32,321 --> 01:11:34,090
Actually it's both.
1013
01:11:34,090 --> 01:11:38,694
Wall Street is the center
of trade and, as such,
it serves a vital function.
1014
01:11:38,694 --> 01:11:43,266
On the other hand,
it's a booming, fertile casino.
1015
01:11:43,266 --> 01:11:47,336
Melvin came from Wall Street, so
his first bunch of commentaries
were about Wall Street.
1016
01:11:47,336 --> 01:11:51,541
Then he could go on
any other ideas
1017
01:11:51,541 --> 01:11:54,577
and crazy spots
that he had in mind.
1018
01:11:54,577 --> 01:11:57,446
Tonight, Melvin's going to
tackle, uh--
1019
01:11:57,446 --> 01:12:00,116
Well, he's going to be
talking about--
1020
01:12:00,116 --> 01:12:01,617
I'm going to let you
figure it out.
1021
01:12:01,617 --> 01:12:03,853
I have the housing solution.
1022
01:12:03,853 --> 01:12:09,192
Here goes--
hookers and the homeless.
1023
01:12:09,192 --> 01:12:11,827
The homeless need beds, right?
1024
01:12:11,827 --> 01:12:15,865
A bed is not much
when you got one,
everything when you don't.
1025
01:12:15,865 --> 01:12:18,701
There are beds, hundreds
of them,
1026
01:12:18,701 --> 01:12:20,703
little used, relatively
speaking,
1027
01:12:20,703 --> 01:12:24,340
scattered conveniently all over
the city.
1028
01:12:24,340 --> 01:12:28,010
Rooms of prostitution-- cribs.
1029
01:12:28,010 --> 01:12:31,080
Every hooker should be assigned
a homeless person
1030
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:34,050
who gets the mattress
when she's not using it.
1031
01:12:34,050 --> 01:12:38,621
And those ladies or gentlemen
or in-betweens of the evening
1032
01:12:38,621 --> 01:12:43,025
will do their bit, gladly,
without a fight,
1033
01:12:43,025 --> 01:12:48,664
seeing as how they all--
everybody knows--
have hearts of gold, right?
1034
01:12:52,902 --> 01:12:56,038
I'm Melvin Van Peebles.
Good night.
1035
01:12:58,474 --> 01:13:04,013
♪ All I wanna do-- do
is have some fun ♪
1036
01:13:04,013 --> 01:13:08,751
♪ I got a feeling
I'm not the--
I'm not the only one ♪
1037
01:13:08,751 --> 01:13:11,053
Yeah. Wh-What's up?
What do you want?
1038
01:13:13,089 --> 01:13:14,924
Thank you.
1039
01:13:14,924 --> 01:13:18,461
MAN: Since he works
on 50 projects at a time,
one has to come.
1040
01:13:18,461 --> 01:13:20,029
One has to happen.
1041
01:13:21,697 --> 01:13:24,867
If he goes
into a meeting and-and
1042
01:13:24,867 --> 01:13:26,602
you practice your song
and you don't like it--
1043
01:13:26,602 --> 01:13:28,638
"It's all good. Don't worry.
I have another one. Here.
1044
01:13:28,638 --> 01:13:30,439
I have another one."
You know what I'm saying?
1045
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:32,074
He's always ready
for the next move.
1046
01:13:32,074 --> 01:13:35,044
WOMAN:
It comes from that session.
♪♪ (piano: jazz)
1047
01:13:41,317 --> 01:13:44,854
It comes from--
Yeah, but I'm thinking we can do
something like Count Basie.
1048
01:13:44,854 --> 01:13:46,956
♪♪ (hitting notes)
♪♪ (scatting)
1049
01:13:46,956 --> 01:13:49,292
♪ All I wanna-- ♪
You know, just each note--
1050
01:13:49,292 --> 01:13:51,193
You know, "blee-dink"
or "bleh-dink."
1051
01:13:51,193 --> 01:13:53,262
♪ All I wanna-- ♪
1052
01:13:53,262 --> 01:13:56,232
MAN: Tell me more about
the cabaret show.
MELVIN: It's pretty eclectic.
1053
01:13:56,232 --> 01:14:01,604
I use a lot of
the American songs,
and a lot of my own songs.
1054
01:14:01,604 --> 01:14:05,474
And people get to hear 'em again
in a way that they've
never heard them before.
1055
01:14:05,474 --> 01:14:08,377
♪ Don't tell my heart ♪
1056
01:14:08,377 --> 01:14:10,880
♪ My achy breaky heart ♪
1057
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:14,083
♪ I just don't think
he'd understand ♪
1058
01:14:14,083 --> 01:14:16,319
♪ Don't be a dog ♪
1059
01:14:16,319 --> 01:14:18,754
♪ But if you tell my heart ♪
1060
01:14:18,754 --> 01:14:21,991
♪ My achy breaky heart ♪
1061
01:14:21,991 --> 01:14:25,594
♪ He might just blow up,
kill this man ♪♪
1062
01:14:25,594 --> 01:14:28,597
MEGAN:
There is a lot of patience
1063
01:14:28,597 --> 01:14:34,036
that my father has
that a lot of people don't see.
1064
01:14:35,037 --> 01:14:39,075
Like with this new movie,The Bellyful.
1065
01:14:39,075 --> 01:14:41,744
Um, that's a novel
1066
01:14:41,744 --> 01:14:47,983
that my dad has wanted to do
for 33 years.
1067
01:14:47,983 --> 01:14:50,086
(French)
1068
01:15:24,387 --> 01:15:26,088
(gasps)
1069
01:15:36,232 --> 01:15:37,767
(French)
1070
01:15:38,834 --> 01:15:41,804
Très bien.
Perfect! Perfect!
1071
01:15:41,804 --> 01:15:45,141
MILNER:
There's a part of Melvin
that really is an enigma,
1072
01:15:45,141 --> 01:15:51,480
and nobody
will ever know the roots of
so many things about him.
1073
01:15:51,480 --> 01:15:57,486
When I asked him once
how he came to be so good
at deal-making,
1074
01:15:57,486 --> 01:16:00,890
uh, he said that when
he was a little kid
in his father's tailor shop,
1075
01:16:00,890 --> 01:16:04,460
his father used to give him a
little toy wagon to go out with
1076
01:16:04,460 --> 01:16:09,632
and pile on the clothes
that were not claimed
by customers and sell them.
1077
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:14,103
"If I asked too much money
for the clothes,
1078
01:16:14,103 --> 01:16:18,808
then the big boys
would beat me up
and take the clothes anyway.
1079
01:16:18,808 --> 01:16:21,310
And if I asked too little money
for the clothes,
1080
01:16:21,310 --> 01:16:24,313
my father would beat me up
when I got home."
1081
01:16:24,313 --> 01:16:28,751
He said, "So I learned
how to make deals where
everybody came out a winner."
1082
01:16:28,751 --> 01:16:32,588
These are some of
the little clues you get
about Melvin's early life.
1083
01:16:32,588 --> 01:16:35,958
He made himself
an early promise about sex--
1084
01:16:35,958 --> 01:16:37,993
that he was going to get
plenty of it.
1085
01:16:37,993 --> 01:16:42,832
And, uh, sometimes I tell him
now that this promise he made
to this 11-year-old boy,
1086
01:16:42,832 --> 01:16:45,401
maybe he should ease up on it
a little bit now.
1087
01:16:45,401 --> 01:16:46,969
(laughing)
But, uh,
1088
01:16:46,969 --> 01:16:50,573
he stays faithful to those
vows he made to himself
1089
01:16:50,573 --> 01:16:54,777
when he was very small
and he was going
to overcome the world.
1090
01:17:10,025 --> 01:17:13,829
MELVIN: There are 50 billion
things that I want to explore,
that I want to understand,
1091
01:17:13,829 --> 01:17:15,764
that I haven't had
a chance to do.
1092
01:17:15,764 --> 01:17:18,834
I had to deal with
the pragmatic--
making it work.
1093
01:17:18,834 --> 01:17:21,971
And since there was
no infrastructure,
1094
01:17:21,971 --> 01:17:24,173
I had to be
a one-man infrastructure.
1095
01:17:24,173 --> 01:17:27,510
I thought of myself
as sort of like on a unicycle.
1096
01:17:27,510 --> 01:17:30,613
Remember that song
"Joshua Fit the Battle
of Jericho"?
1097
01:17:30,613 --> 01:17:34,183
Well, what actually happened
my Joshua of the situation is--
1098
01:17:34,183 --> 01:17:35,818
I'm on a unicycle. I go--
(imitates horn)
1099
01:17:35,818 --> 01:17:39,255
I blow at this end.
I pedal real fast to
the next side of the wall.
1100
01:17:39,255 --> 01:17:41,423
(imitates horn)
And people say,
"Jesus, we're surrounded!"
1101
01:17:41,423 --> 01:17:44,326
It's just one guy out there
on a fuckin' unicycle.
You know what I mean?
1102
01:17:44,326 --> 01:17:45,828
That's what I did.
1103
01:17:53,836 --> 01:17:57,239
(no audible dialogue)
1104
01:18:21,397 --> 01:18:22,898
They did a good job.
1105
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:26,235
Pretty close, huh?
1106
01:18:28,604 --> 01:18:31,273
MAN:
He taught me it's possible.
And he taught me it's possible.
1107
01:18:31,273 --> 01:18:34,810
And he taught me
you have the choice,
and you have to make it.
1108
01:18:34,810 --> 01:18:37,846
But you have the choice
to make your life what
you want it to be.
1109
01:18:37,846 --> 01:18:40,349
You don't have to let it be
imposed to you.
1110
01:18:46,789 --> 01:18:50,125
MARIO:
My dad didn't change
his lifestyle.
1111
01:18:50,125 --> 01:18:54,663
He early on recognized the power
in keeping a low overhead.
1112
01:18:54,663 --> 01:18:58,901
He realized that there is
a line, a balance between
having what you want
1113
01:18:58,901 --> 01:19:00,869
and doing what you want.
1114
01:19:00,869 --> 01:19:04,039
And the more you have
what you want, the less
you're gonna do what you want.
1115
01:19:06,642 --> 01:19:10,512
So once he said, "Hey, man,
I've got three jackets,
two jeans and some boots,
1116
01:19:10,512 --> 01:19:12,681
I can make anything."
1117
01:19:12,681 --> 01:19:15,918
(no audible dialogue)
1118
01:19:26,195 --> 01:19:32,501
MELVIN:
I'm not really interested
in the outside part of it,
1119
01:19:32,501 --> 01:19:34,937
the-- the accolades of it.
1120
01:19:34,937 --> 01:19:40,342
I'm-- I'm just really fascinated
by the people of it.
1121
01:19:40,342 --> 01:19:43,178
(chattering)
1122
01:19:46,649 --> 01:19:50,252
MAN:
Melvin Van Peebles,
1123
01:19:50,252 --> 01:19:54,923
on behalf of the president
of the French Republic,
1124
01:19:54,923 --> 01:19:59,461
and by virtue
of the powers vested in me,
1125
01:19:59,461 --> 01:20:04,266
I hereby make you a knight
of the Legion of Honor.
1126
01:20:04,266 --> 01:20:07,870
(cheering)
1127
01:20:19,815 --> 01:20:22,017
MELVIN:
I'm fascinated by people.
1128
01:20:22,017 --> 01:20:24,853
And, as such,
I want to know them.
1129
01:20:24,853 --> 01:20:26,922
I want to see
what they're doing.
1130
01:20:26,922 --> 01:20:30,959
And I find notoriety,
in many ways,
1131
01:20:30,959 --> 01:20:34,430
is an extreme hindrance
1132
01:20:34,430 --> 01:20:39,201
to, um--
to really deal with people.
1133
01:20:39,201 --> 01:20:42,971
So I prefer-- if possible--
1134
01:20:42,971 --> 01:20:45,941
to sort of, just like they say,
just "lay in the cut"
1135
01:20:45,941 --> 01:20:49,878
and watch things pass.
1136
01:20:53,215 --> 01:20:55,984
That's what I prefer to do.
1137
01:20:55,984 --> 01:21:01,023
And, um, I don't really feel
any major urge
1138
01:21:01,023 --> 01:21:03,959
to be out there,
to be, um--
1139
01:21:05,260 --> 01:21:07,830
to be in the limelight,
other than
1140
01:21:08,831 --> 01:21:11,266
it's nice to get paid
for your work.
1141
01:21:12,101 --> 01:21:15,204
But outside of that, eh,
1142
01:21:15,204 --> 01:21:19,708
I'm a happy camper
just hiding in the shadows,
1143
01:21:19,708 --> 01:21:21,977
watching the world turn.
1144
01:21:40,729 --> 01:21:45,267
MELVIN:
♪ Excuse me, lady, but you
foolin', ain't you? ♪
1145
01:21:47,236 --> 01:21:52,074
♪ Where can I be?
This ain't America, is it? ♪
1146
01:21:53,075 --> 01:21:55,911
♪ Oh, Lord,
where can I be? ♪
1147
01:21:57,012 --> 01:21:59,214
♪ This ain't America, is it? ♪
1148
01:22:01,083 --> 01:22:03,719
♪ Naw, this ain't America ♪
1149
01:22:03,719 --> 01:22:05,621
♪ You can't fool me ♪
1150
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:14,129
♪ This here's
the home of the sheriff ♪
1151
01:22:16,131 --> 01:22:18,200
♪ Not the land of the free ♪
1152
01:22:19,868 --> 01:22:23,705
♪ In America, folks don't
run through the streets ♪
1153
01:22:23,705 --> 01:22:26,642
♪ Blood streaming
from where they been beat ♪
1154
01:22:28,544 --> 01:22:31,647
♪ And the parks
are for the people ♪
1155
01:22:31,647 --> 01:22:34,416
♪ And the cops
In the good old USA ♪
1156
01:22:34,416 --> 01:22:36,351
♪ Don't think they're
some kinda gods either ♪
1157
01:22:36,351 --> 01:22:39,087
♪ Naw, this ain't America ♪
1158
01:22:39,087 --> 01:22:40,989
♪ You can't fool me ♪
1159
01:22:45,661 --> 01:22:47,663
♪ If you don't spit
the right image ♪
1160
01:22:49,031 --> 01:22:52,434
♪ They just pull out
their DDT ♪
1161
01:22:52,434 --> 01:22:55,571
♪ If they don't like
the way you look ♪
1162
01:22:55,571 --> 01:22:58,273
♪ They just law and order
and trick and trip
1163
01:22:58,273 --> 01:23:00,576
♪ Name and frame and blame ♪
1164
01:23:00,576 --> 01:23:03,345
♪ Just legislate
and club away ♪
1165
01:23:03,345 --> 01:23:06,148
♪ And just laugh
louder and louder ♪
1166
01:23:09,918 --> 01:23:12,387
♪ Naw, this ain't America ♪
1167
01:23:13,121 --> 01:23:15,357
♪ You can't fool me ♪
1168
01:23:20,329 --> 01:23:23,866
♪ Naw, this ain't America ♪
1169
01:23:23,866 --> 01:23:25,701
♪ You can't fool me ♪
1170
01:23:29,538 --> 01:23:31,607
♪ Love ♪
♪ That's America ♪
1171
01:23:31,607 --> 01:23:34,543
♪ Open arms
for every creature ♪
1172
01:23:34,543 --> 01:23:35,844
♪ Love ♪
1173
01:23:35,844 --> 01:23:39,014
♪ That's America ♪
♪ Open arms for every man ♪
1174
01:23:39,014 --> 01:23:40,616
♪ Love ♪
1175
01:23:40,616 --> 01:23:43,886
♪ That's America ♪
♪ Joy and peace
and harmony ♪
1176
01:23:43,886 --> 01:23:45,554
♪ Love ♪
1177
01:23:45,554 --> 01:23:48,857
♪ That's America ♪
♪ Children
with laughing eyes ♪
1178
01:23:48,857 --> 01:23:50,492
♪ Love ♪
1179
01:23:50,492 --> 01:23:53,629
♪ Love,
that's America ♪
♪ That's America ♪
1180
01:23:53,629 --> 01:23:55,030
♪ Love ♪
1181
01:23:55,030 --> 01:23:58,567
♪ That's America ♪
♪ Our old eagle
soarin' again ♪
1182
01:23:58,567 --> 01:24:00,035
♪ Love ♪
1183
01:24:00,035 --> 01:24:03,105
♪ That's America ♪
♪ The old eagle
wearin' a grin ♪
1184
01:24:03,105 --> 01:24:04,606
♪ Love ♪
1185
01:24:04,606 --> 01:24:08,810
♪ That's America ♪
♪ Our old eagle soarin' ♪
1186
01:24:08,810 --> 01:24:11,146
♪ Oh, yeah ♪
1187
01:24:13,882 --> 01:24:18,420
♪ Love, that's America ♪
1188
01:24:18,420 --> 01:24:23,158
♪ Love, that's America ♪
1189
01:24:23,158 --> 01:24:26,728
♪ Love, that's America ♪
1190
01:24:26,728 --> 01:24:28,330
♪ This here's
the land of the sniper ♪
1191
01:24:28,330 --> 01:24:30,299
♪ Love, that's America ♪
1192
01:24:30,299 --> 01:24:32,868
♪ Not the home of the brave ♪
1193
01:24:32,868 --> 01:24:36,672
♪ Oh, say can't you smell?
Are you too smug to see? ♪
1194
01:24:37,839 --> 01:24:40,108
♪ Greed done pulled the plug ♪
1195
01:24:40,108 --> 01:24:42,878
♪ Your democracy's
defrosting ♪
1196
01:24:42,878 --> 01:24:44,780
♪ Something gone rotten ♪
1197
01:24:44,780 --> 01:24:47,582
♪ Smells like
justice and liberty ♪♪
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