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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:30,063 --> 00:00:31,566 I'm sitting in these rooms alone 2 00:00:31,599 --> 00:00:34,067 with people who have run secret weapons programs, 3 00:00:34,101 --> 00:00:35,737 interrogated terrorists, 4 00:00:35,770 --> 00:00:38,873 protected closely-guarded secrets as a profession, 5 00:00:38,907 --> 00:00:40,374 and all I can think about 6 00:00:40,407 --> 00:00:42,209 is getting them to tell me something 7 00:00:42,242 --> 00:00:43,845 they don't want me to know. 8 00:00:53,721 --> 00:00:56,323 It's gonna take somebody at the executive level to do it, 9 00:00:56,356 --> 00:00:58,660 or there's gonna be 10 00:00:58,693 --> 00:01:03,196 a incredible leak somewhere that's somebody's conscience, 11 00:01:03,230 --> 00:01:04,999 and they don't end up, um, 12 00:01:05,033 --> 00:01:08,736 you know, committing suicide by 12 bullet holes 13 00:01:08,770 --> 00:01:10,505 to the back of the head kind of thing. 14 00:01:12,372 --> 00:01:15,309 The UFO reality can no longer be denied. 15 00:01:15,342 --> 00:01:17,177 The secret has been managed and guarded 16 00:01:17,210 --> 00:01:20,247 by a select few for over 75 years. 17 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:21,816 Advanced technology, 18 00:01:21,849 --> 00:01:25,218 biological and physical materials have been recovered. 19 00:01:25,252 --> 00:01:28,656 They've been secretly studied by compartmentalized factions 20 00:01:28,690 --> 00:01:31,291 within both government and industry. 21 00:01:31,325 --> 00:01:33,393 These claims are not new. 22 00:01:33,427 --> 00:01:36,263 But you are about to see undeniable evidence 23 00:01:36,296 --> 00:01:38,465 and previously unpublished accounts 24 00:01:38,498 --> 00:01:41,903 that make this case stronger than ever before. 25 00:01:42,837 --> 00:01:45,573 Somewhere between fact and denial, 26 00:01:45,607 --> 00:01:47,942 you are about to discover 27 00:01:47,976 --> 00:01:49,577 an accidental truth. 28 00:01:51,746 --> 00:01:53,982 3-7-8-2-0-5-8-4. 29 00:01:54,949 --> 00:01:56,084 Knees up. Knees up. 30 00:02:11,431 --> 00:02:12,834 In 2017, 31 00:02:12,867 --> 00:02:16,169 the UFO subject exploded into the mainstream. 32 00:02:16,203 --> 00:02:18,438 There's a whole fleet of them. Look on the S.A. 33 00:02:18,472 --> 00:02:20,307 Whoa! Got him! 34 00:02:22,877 --> 00:02:24,979 The New York Times broke a front page story 35 00:02:25,013 --> 00:02:28,783 about a shadowy government program studying UFOs. 36 00:02:28,816 --> 00:02:30,585 October 2017. 37 00:02:30,618 --> 00:02:34,689 Leslie Kean, who's a notable expert on UFOs 38 00:02:34,722 --> 00:02:38,191 she was invited to a very private conference in Washington 39 00:02:38,225 --> 00:02:41,361 with Lue Elizondo and some other people, 40 00:02:41,395 --> 00:02:45,566 Chris Mellon, to discuss UFOs. 41 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:50,805 Lue Elizondo had just submitted his resignation in October 2017, 42 00:02:50,838 --> 00:02:55,576 as the head of this very secretive Pentagon UFO office. 43 00:02:55,610 --> 00:02:57,078 Program was established. 44 00:02:57,111 --> 00:02:59,047 It was initially called AAWSAP, 45 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,650 Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program, 46 00:03:02,684 --> 00:03:05,987 and very quickly that evolved, 47 00:03:06,020 --> 00:03:09,222 morphed into the more common vernacular 48 00:03:09,256 --> 00:03:12,492 AATIP, Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. 49 00:03:12,527 --> 00:03:14,796 I was brought in initially to come in 50 00:03:14,829 --> 00:03:19,934 to run the counterintelligence and security piece for this effort in 2008. 51 00:03:19,967 --> 00:03:24,772 In 2010, I was asked by the former director to run this program. 52 00:03:24,806 --> 00:03:27,141 The program was then taken out of DIA 53 00:03:27,175 --> 00:03:28,543 and up to the OSD level, 54 00:03:28,576 --> 00:03:30,111 Office of Secretary of Defense. 55 00:03:30,144 --> 00:03:31,846 The Pentagon had this secret 56 00:03:31,879 --> 00:03:34,949 UFO monitoring agency which nobody knew about. 57 00:03:34,982 --> 00:03:38,920 New York Times, Politico, and followed by them, 58 00:03:38,953 --> 00:03:41,122 everyone else covering the UFO subject 59 00:03:41,155 --> 00:03:44,158 suddenly, with seriousness, 60 00:03:44,192 --> 00:03:47,829 suddenly talking about encounters by the U.S. Navy with 61 00:03:47,862 --> 00:03:50,263 objects that are supposed to be impossible. 62 00:03:50,297 --> 00:03:53,134 The government is investigating UFOs. 63 00:03:53,167 --> 00:03:55,603 Well, I almost crashed my car. 64 00:03:55,636 --> 00:03:57,672 Three cryptic videos were released 65 00:03:57,705 --> 00:03:59,741 that claimed to show unknown objects 66 00:03:59,774 --> 00:04:01,976 operating in military airspace 67 00:04:02,009 --> 00:04:05,146 while defying known capabilities of flight 68 00:04:05,179 --> 00:04:06,547 and physics. 69 00:04:06,581 --> 00:04:09,050 There are more of them that have not been released. 70 00:04:09,083 --> 00:04:11,219 These were only snippets, by the way, 71 00:04:11,284 --> 00:04:12,720 and we knew that. 72 00:04:12,754 --> 00:04:15,288 But we were happy to get them. 73 00:04:15,322 --> 00:04:17,491 And they caused quite a stir. 74 00:04:17,525 --> 00:04:22,063 Lue Elizondo made the media rounds with shocking statements. 75 00:04:22,096 --> 00:04:23,430 My personal belief is that 76 00:04:23,463 --> 00:04:25,633 there is very compelling evidence that 77 00:04:25,666 --> 00:04:28,703 we may not be alone. 78 00:04:28,736 --> 00:04:32,405 Our cosmic neighborhood may be a hell of a lot bigger. 79 00:04:32,439 --> 00:04:36,644 And by the way, we might, might, have neighbors. 80 00:04:38,311 --> 00:04:39,680 That's a profound moment. 81 00:04:40,581 --> 00:04:42,683 At the 2018 symposium 82 00:04:42,717 --> 00:04:44,685 of The Mutual UFO Network, 83 00:04:44,719 --> 00:04:46,154 behind closed doors, 84 00:04:46,187 --> 00:04:49,356 he went beyond his public statements to drop a bombshell. 85 00:04:49,389 --> 00:04:51,659 Sometimes people may have associated you 86 00:04:51,692 --> 00:04:54,629 as being fringe or being out there, 87 00:04:54,662 --> 00:04:57,865 and all along, you were right. 88 00:05:00,768 --> 00:05:03,204 One of the pilots who engaged the craft, 89 00:05:03,237 --> 00:05:04,404 Commander David Fravor, 90 00:05:04,437 --> 00:05:08,576 chimed in with bold statements inferring otherworldly origins 91 00:05:08,609 --> 00:05:10,377 of the mysterious phenomenon. 92 00:05:10,410 --> 00:05:13,313 I believe, as do the other folks that were on the flight, 93 00:05:13,346 --> 00:05:16,784 that what we visually saw, that it was something not from this world. 94 00:05:16,818 --> 00:05:20,221 You are talking to a pilot who is looking at you 95 00:05:20,254 --> 00:05:23,724 with complete bewilderment as to 96 00:05:23,758 --> 00:05:25,126 looking to you for answers. 97 00:05:25,159 --> 00:05:28,896 They're asking you, "Sir, what was this?" 98 00:05:28,930 --> 00:05:33,067 Congress is now looking at the possibility of national security 99 00:05:33,100 --> 00:05:37,505 that the military is now owning up to hours of videotapes 100 00:05:37,538 --> 00:05:39,774 taken by Navy pilots. 101 00:05:39,807 --> 00:05:41,542 There's been a sea change. 102 00:05:41,576 --> 00:05:43,678 Things are changing. 103 00:05:43,711 --> 00:05:45,680 People are more open to the idea that, 104 00:05:45,713 --> 00:05:48,850 yeah, maybe we're not alone in the universe. 105 00:05:51,384 --> 00:05:55,156 We were given an updated phrase to describe it all. 106 00:05:55,189 --> 00:05:58,059 Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon. 107 00:05:58,092 --> 00:06:00,328 They're calling them UAPs sometimes. 108 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,730 Sometimes UFO, sometimes UAP. 109 00:06:02,763 --> 00:06:05,266 It's a kind of a rebranding to a certain extent 110 00:06:05,299 --> 00:06:08,936 and a redefinition of what the phenomenon is. 111 00:06:08,970 --> 00:06:13,941 A new group called To The Stars Academy of Arts and Sciences was introduced. 112 00:06:13,975 --> 00:06:17,278 We are To The Stars Academy of Arts and Science. 113 00:06:17,311 --> 00:06:19,113 A public benefit corporation. 114 00:06:19,146 --> 00:06:22,116 The group was co-founded by rock star Tom DeLonge. 115 00:06:22,149 --> 00:06:24,185 I was working my way through NASA, 116 00:06:24,218 --> 00:06:25,853 the Department of Defense, 117 00:06:25,887 --> 00:06:28,589 and various "other" agencies. 118 00:06:28,623 --> 00:06:30,091 Its members spoke out, 119 00:06:30,124 --> 00:06:31,959 hinting of unprecedented openness 120 00:06:31,993 --> 00:06:34,095 and straight answers about the topic. 121 00:06:34,128 --> 00:06:36,097 But who are these people really? 122 00:06:36,130 --> 00:06:39,967 Dr. Hal Puthoff, former CIA operations officer. 123 00:06:40,001 --> 00:06:46,473 Jim Semivan, a 50-year veteran of NASA, the CIA, and the National Security Agency. 124 00:06:46,507 --> 00:06:47,775 Steve Justice, 125 00:06:47,808 --> 00:06:50,410 former director of Lockheed Martin Skunk Works. 126 00:06:50,443 --> 00:06:55,182 Christopher Mellon, former Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence. 127 00:06:55,216 --> 00:06:56,317 Lue Elizondo, 128 00:06:56,350 --> 00:06:59,153 fresh from a controversial Pentagon resignation. 129 00:06:59,186 --> 00:07:03,024 Was anybody going to share anything that brought us concrete answers? 130 00:07:03,057 --> 00:07:06,794 It was the first time I really digested the enormity 131 00:07:06,827 --> 00:07:10,331 of the national security implications of the UFO subject. 132 00:07:10,364 --> 00:07:14,335 The CIA and all these people associated with Skunk Works 133 00:07:14,368 --> 00:07:15,636 and other intelligence agencies, 134 00:07:15,670 --> 00:07:18,239 you're not the right people to come out with this. 135 00:07:18,272 --> 00:07:19,674 You're really not. 136 00:07:19,707 --> 00:07:22,343 Because you're the ones that have been lying to us for 70 years. 137 00:07:22,376 --> 00:07:28,115 We haven't trusted these individual agencies ever. 138 00:07:28,149 --> 00:07:32,620 In fact, they've always teased our community. 139 00:07:32,653 --> 00:07:35,289 We are dealing with insiders. 140 00:07:35,323 --> 00:07:39,827 We are dealing with people who have been in government, 141 00:07:39,860 --> 00:07:42,029 the military, the intelligence community, 142 00:07:42,063 --> 00:07:44,899 have access to classified information. 143 00:07:44,932 --> 00:07:46,901 But those people, all of them, 144 00:07:46,934 --> 00:07:48,703 will have to be very careful. 145 00:07:48,736 --> 00:07:53,641 For us to just go ahead and spew out to satisfy the idle curiosity of a few, 146 00:07:53,674 --> 00:07:54,875 that's not our job. 147 00:07:54,909 --> 00:07:57,211 Our job is to protect this nation from enemies, 148 00:07:57,244 --> 00:07:58,446 foreign and domestic. 149 00:07:58,478 --> 00:08:01,849 For what it's worth, I see it that they were trying to 150 00:08:01,882 --> 00:08:04,618 make progress on this within government, 151 00:08:04,652 --> 00:08:06,654 they took it as far as they could, 152 00:08:06,687 --> 00:08:07,888 and then they realized that, 153 00:08:07,922 --> 00:08:11,292 really, the only way to move it further forward 154 00:08:11,325 --> 00:08:14,295 was to leave government and do it outside of that. 155 00:08:17,231 --> 00:08:20,034 Some believe that this new roll-out of information 156 00:08:20,067 --> 00:08:22,236 was a cleverly crafted set of events 157 00:08:22,269 --> 00:08:24,705 being orchestrated by hidden hands. 158 00:08:24,739 --> 00:08:26,107 An evasive faction 159 00:08:26,140 --> 00:08:28,843 who has controlled this information for years. 160 00:08:28,876 --> 00:08:30,578 I'm not a believer in the conspiracy theory 161 00:08:30,611 --> 00:08:34,749 that this is some plot to leak it to The New York Times and all that. 162 00:08:34,782 --> 00:08:39,587 I mean, too many elements came together completely serendipitously. 163 00:08:39,620 --> 00:08:43,591 And, you know, looking back, 164 00:08:43,624 --> 00:08:45,393 you can, you know, try to make a case 165 00:08:45,426 --> 00:08:48,829 that this was all orchestrated and not at all true. 166 00:08:48,863 --> 00:08:51,365 I think that this was definitely something 167 00:08:51,399 --> 00:08:56,303 that was organized, thought out long-term. 168 00:08:56,337 --> 00:08:57,705 Again, I think some... 169 00:08:57,738 --> 00:08:59,573 I think they know, and they're trying to get ahead of something. 170 00:08:59,607 --> 00:09:03,611 I think... I use the analogy of a snowball at the top of a hill, 171 00:09:03,644 --> 00:09:05,179 and it starts out really small. 172 00:09:05,212 --> 00:09:07,181 And as it rolls down, it's going to get bigger and bigger, 173 00:09:07,214 --> 00:09:09,083 and I think they're trying to get ahead of that. 174 00:09:09,116 --> 00:09:12,620 You can't talk about this subject with a government background 175 00:09:12,653 --> 00:09:14,355 without being the bad guy, 176 00:09:14,388 --> 00:09:16,690 in some people's minds eye. 177 00:09:16,724 --> 00:09:18,759 It just comes with the territory. 178 00:09:18,793 --> 00:09:20,594 I refuse to discuss anything classified. 179 00:09:20,628 --> 00:09:23,532 I've took an oath, which is, by the way, a lifelong oath. 180 00:09:23,564 --> 00:09:26,000 As I've told people before, 181 00:09:26,033 --> 00:09:27,635 don't ask me because I'm not going to tell you. 182 00:09:27,668 --> 00:09:28,803 Lue is in a tough spot, 183 00:09:28,836 --> 00:09:30,604 because he knows a lot of things that... 184 00:09:30,638 --> 00:09:32,773 I mean, he still... He was... 185 00:09:32,807 --> 00:09:34,842 He came out of the Intelligence community 186 00:09:34,875 --> 00:09:36,444 and he probably still, 187 00:09:36,477 --> 00:09:39,580 undoubtedly still has connections to the Intelligence community. 188 00:09:39,613 --> 00:09:44,519 Well, you know, so he can't say everything he knows 189 00:09:44,553 --> 00:09:45,653 and has been privy to. 190 00:09:45,686 --> 00:09:47,855 These people promoting this... 191 00:09:48,689 --> 00:09:51,158 agenda of UFO openness, 192 00:09:51,192 --> 00:09:53,461 not disclosure, but openness, 193 00:09:53,494 --> 00:09:56,664 they have enemies within that establishment. 194 00:09:56,697 --> 00:09:58,899 So we're not talking about a unified message. 195 00:09:58,933 --> 00:10:00,569 It's very uncomfortable. 196 00:10:00,601 --> 00:10:02,937 Especially if you've lived a life 197 00:10:02,970 --> 00:10:06,073 where anonymity has been your friend. 198 00:10:06,107 --> 00:10:10,711 We have every right to know the truth. 199 00:10:10,744 --> 00:10:15,182 And it's... It's not okay that they're holding that back. 200 00:10:15,216 --> 00:10:18,520 It is not a fun place to be. 201 00:10:18,553 --> 00:10:20,955 In fact, if I had any opportunity 202 00:10:20,988 --> 00:10:23,757 for anybody else to stand up and take my place... 203 00:10:23,791 --> 00:10:25,392 I would do it. 204 00:10:25,426 --> 00:10:28,563 There are a lot of people that want this information out 205 00:10:28,597 --> 00:10:31,432 and there are a lot of people who don't want this information out. 206 00:10:31,465 --> 00:10:33,767 The level of pushback that 207 00:10:33,801 --> 00:10:36,303 Harry Reid shared with me on camera. 208 00:10:36,337 --> 00:10:39,907 When he tried to launch this investigatory arm 209 00:10:39,940 --> 00:10:41,475 into creating AATIP, 210 00:10:41,510 --> 00:10:44,245 he said he got so much pushback from the intelligence agencies, 211 00:10:44,278 --> 00:10:46,413 that they, like, tried to destroy people. 212 00:10:46,447 --> 00:10:49,483 They really did not want this to happen. 213 00:10:52,186 --> 00:10:54,088 After the initial media flurry, 214 00:10:54,121 --> 00:10:55,557 the Pentagon promised a report 215 00:10:55,590 --> 00:10:58,392 that might shed some light on the subject. 216 00:10:58,425 --> 00:11:01,929 Do you expect to see real answers in this report? 217 00:11:01,962 --> 00:11:03,430 What do you think? 218 00:11:04,899 --> 00:11:06,867 Look. Honestly, I don't think so, Jake. 219 00:11:06,901 --> 00:11:08,068 The public only received 220 00:11:08,102 --> 00:11:10,738 a few pages of inconclusive information. 221 00:11:10,771 --> 00:11:15,009 A more elaborate report was delivered to Congress behind closed doors. 222 00:11:15,042 --> 00:11:17,211 Freedom of Information Act requests, 223 00:11:17,244 --> 00:11:19,914 known as FOIA requests, were submitted. 224 00:11:19,947 --> 00:11:22,917 The responses received were heavily redacted. 225 00:11:22,950 --> 00:11:25,152 Three years later, three and a half years later, 226 00:11:25,186 --> 00:11:28,455 no new evidence has come out. 227 00:11:28,489 --> 00:11:30,592 We've got no new videos. 228 00:11:30,625 --> 00:11:32,226 Nothing like that happened. 229 00:11:32,259 --> 00:11:33,727 Congressman Tim Burchett 230 00:11:33,761 --> 00:11:37,298 has become an outspoken crusader against the secrecy. 231 00:11:37,331 --> 00:11:41,268 The American public deserves to know. We need transparency. 232 00:11:41,302 --> 00:11:43,137 That's why nobody trusts government. 233 00:11:43,170 --> 00:11:47,775 Nobody trusts either party when it comes down to it. 234 00:11:47,808 --> 00:11:49,176 Instead of new answers, 235 00:11:49,210 --> 00:11:51,445 we've been given a whitewashing of the past 236 00:11:51,478 --> 00:11:54,649 and further reinforcement of a "New Narrative" 237 00:11:54,683 --> 00:11:56,183 created to fit the day. 238 00:12:02,022 --> 00:12:03,592 The New Narrative states that 239 00:12:03,625 --> 00:12:07,428 the UAP's not ours or any foreign government's. 240 00:12:07,461 --> 00:12:10,599 They display characteristics that defy explanation. 241 00:12:10,632 --> 00:12:13,133 "We are committed to determining their nature, 242 00:12:13,167 --> 00:12:15,202 "and assessing any potential threat." 243 00:12:15,236 --> 00:12:18,205 There was no official government study of the topic 244 00:12:18,239 --> 00:12:21,342 after Project Blue Book ended in 1969, 245 00:12:21,375 --> 00:12:25,079 until the AAWSAP program started in 2004. 246 00:12:25,112 --> 00:12:27,549 By sort of extracting a lot of the history out, 247 00:12:29,083 --> 00:12:30,685 they're able to make it seem like, 248 00:12:30,719 --> 00:12:33,020 wow, this is a real mystery here. 249 00:12:33,053 --> 00:12:34,488 So, I don't agree with that. 250 00:12:34,522 --> 00:12:38,325 I think their New Narrative, I think they have this fear, 251 00:12:38,359 --> 00:12:40,060 you know, that it's a threat. 252 00:12:40,094 --> 00:12:43,831 And the word "threat" kind of bothers me a little bit. 253 00:12:43,864 --> 00:12:48,369 But I understand that in order to get government attention, 254 00:12:48,402 --> 00:12:50,938 they need to call it, perhaps, a threat. 255 00:12:50,971 --> 00:12:53,642 So we have an ongoing situation here. 256 00:12:53,675 --> 00:12:55,543 This is a defense issue. 257 00:12:55,577 --> 00:12:56,910 It's an air safety issue. 258 00:12:56,944 --> 00:12:59,446 It's a national security issue. 259 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:00,515 It's a valid issue. 260 00:13:00,548 --> 00:13:03,317 There is something flying around in our airspace 261 00:13:03,350 --> 00:13:06,721 and we don't know what it is or we're not telling what it is. 262 00:13:06,755 --> 00:13:08,088 Eighteen months ago, 263 00:13:08,122 --> 00:13:12,993 if you had asked anyone in government the official line on UFOs, 264 00:13:13,027 --> 00:13:15,963 you would have received a standard response 265 00:13:15,996 --> 00:13:17,666 rather like this. 266 00:13:17,699 --> 00:13:21,503 "There is no current interest or involvement in the subject. 267 00:13:21,536 --> 00:13:24,938 "Since the termination of Blue Book in 1969, 268 00:13:24,972 --> 00:13:26,073 "nobody in government 269 00:13:26,106 --> 00:13:28,342 "is researching or investigating this." 270 00:13:28,375 --> 00:13:29,678 You know, the department writ large 271 00:13:29,711 --> 00:13:33,213 is clearly not interested in UFOs whatsoever. 272 00:13:35,583 --> 00:13:38,218 This story leaves a gap of over 35 years 273 00:13:38,252 --> 00:13:39,754 that the government was supposedly 274 00:13:39,788 --> 00:13:42,724 not engaged in the study of the phenomenon. 275 00:13:42,757 --> 00:13:45,859 The media was quick to participate in the new story. 276 00:13:45,893 --> 00:13:49,664 Were they complicit in delivering this new version of the facts? 277 00:13:49,698 --> 00:13:55,135 There is a risk of believing the official narrative 278 00:13:55,169 --> 00:13:57,806 too quickly and just reporting it. 279 00:13:57,838 --> 00:14:02,309 There's many steps to go and it's going to take a while. 280 00:14:02,343 --> 00:14:04,679 And, you know, they still have a totally compliant media, 281 00:14:04,713 --> 00:14:05,913 for the most part. 282 00:14:05,946 --> 00:14:09,049 I can tell you from my knowledge of The New York Times. 283 00:14:09,083 --> 00:14:11,753 The New York Times is not afraid to confront the government. 284 00:14:11,786 --> 00:14:14,188 Having been legal counsel for The New York Times 285 00:14:14,221 --> 00:14:15,856 and for NBC News, 286 00:14:15,889 --> 00:14:19,761 the people on the board of editors of those things, 287 00:14:19,794 --> 00:14:24,398 you know, feel themselves to have a certain patriotic duty, as they perceive them, 288 00:14:25,499 --> 00:14:28,969 to not reveal anything to the American public 289 00:14:29,002 --> 00:14:32,707 that the National Security State people don't want revealed. 290 00:14:32,741 --> 00:14:33,775 So I don't want to be bound 291 00:14:33,808 --> 00:14:35,976 by what Danny Sheehan said about his, 292 00:14:36,009 --> 00:14:39,681 you know, concepts of what The Times prints and doesn't. 293 00:14:42,049 --> 00:14:45,419 This New Narrative has become the official story. 294 00:14:45,452 --> 00:14:48,355 It was even stated as fact by Andre Carson 295 00:14:48,389 --> 00:14:52,092 at the beginning of the first congressional UFO hearings, 296 00:14:52,126 --> 00:14:53,961 in over 40 years. 297 00:14:53,994 --> 00:14:56,096 More than 50 years ago, 298 00:14:56,130 --> 00:14:59,868 the U.S. Government ended Project Blue Book. 299 00:14:59,900 --> 00:15:02,469 An effort to catalog and understand 300 00:15:02,504 --> 00:15:04,606 sightings of objects in the air 301 00:15:04,639 --> 00:15:07,675 that could not otherwise be explained. 302 00:15:07,709 --> 00:15:09,644 For more than 20 years, that project 303 00:15:09,677 --> 00:15:12,847 had treated unidentified anomalies in our airspace 304 00:15:12,881 --> 00:15:17,918 as a national security threat to be monitored and investigated. 305 00:15:17,951 --> 00:15:21,121 In 2017, we learned for the first time that the Department of Defense 306 00:15:21,155 --> 00:15:23,924 had quietly restarted a similar organization, 307 00:15:23,957 --> 00:15:27,829 tracking what we now call Unidentified Aerial Phenomena. 308 00:15:30,464 --> 00:15:32,065 We've heard all of this before. 309 00:15:32,099 --> 00:15:36,738 The New Narrative is really an eerie echo of 70-year-old events. 310 00:15:36,771 --> 00:15:41,776 We can say that the recent sightings are in no way connected 311 00:15:41,810 --> 00:15:46,346 with any secret development by any agency of the United States. 312 00:15:46,380 --> 00:15:49,784 Aircraft, we call them aircraft, are displaying characteristics 313 00:15:49,818 --> 00:15:52,687 that are not currently within the U.S. inventory, 314 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,423 nor in any foreign inventory that we are aware of. 315 00:15:56,457 --> 00:15:59,359 Air Force interest in this problem 316 00:15:59,393 --> 00:16:01,830 has been due to our feeling of an obligation 317 00:16:01,863 --> 00:16:06,901 to identify and analyze, to the best of our ability, 318 00:16:06,935 --> 00:16:10,672 anything in the air that may have the possibility 319 00:16:10,705 --> 00:16:14,308 of threat or menace to the United States. 320 00:16:14,341 --> 00:16:18,045 We know that our service members have encountered 321 00:16:18,078 --> 00:16:20,214 Unidentified Aerial Phenomena. 322 00:16:20,247 --> 00:16:21,850 And because UAPs pose 323 00:16:21,883 --> 00:16:24,786 potential flight safety and general security risk, 324 00:16:24,819 --> 00:16:28,088 we are committed to a focused effort to determine their origins. 325 00:16:28,121 --> 00:16:32,459 However, there have been a certain percentage of this volume of reports 326 00:16:33,561 --> 00:16:37,064 that have been made by credible observers 327 00:16:37,097 --> 00:16:39,333 of relatively incredible things. 328 00:16:40,969 --> 00:16:42,737 It is this group of observations 329 00:16:42,770 --> 00:16:46,373 that we now are attempting to resolve. 330 00:16:46,406 --> 00:16:50,712 There will be a recognized concerted effort 331 00:16:50,745 --> 00:16:52,446 to figure this out. 332 00:16:52,479 --> 00:16:56,618 The old story was repeated almost verbatim by the current players. 333 00:16:56,651 --> 00:16:59,386 We're still far from the goal line, 334 00:16:59,419 --> 00:17:02,456 and there is a lot of positions 335 00:17:02,489 --> 00:17:03,958 that they could take along the way 336 00:17:03,992 --> 00:17:06,661 that still will allow them to maintain credibility 337 00:17:07,294 --> 00:17:10,430 and avoid culpability. 338 00:17:10,464 --> 00:17:12,299 The media and the public want more. 339 00:17:12,332 --> 00:17:13,768 They want answers. 340 00:17:13,801 --> 00:17:15,637 I'm not sure that there are going to be easy answers to this. 341 00:17:15,670 --> 00:17:20,808 They're trying to sweep anything prior to 2004 under the carpet, 342 00:17:20,842 --> 00:17:22,510 but we won't let them because we've got 343 00:17:22,544 --> 00:17:25,145 all the historical cases and those can't go away. 344 00:17:25,178 --> 00:17:28,983 They're not only whitewashing history, they're denying it. 345 00:17:29,017 --> 00:17:32,520 They're only acknowledging the phenomenon back to 2004. 346 00:17:32,554 --> 00:17:34,956 The government has a lot to answer for. 347 00:17:34,989 --> 00:17:35,890 Absolutely right. 348 00:17:36,824 --> 00:17:38,826 The history of the subject has been replete 349 00:17:38,860 --> 00:17:41,529 with misinformation and disinformation. 350 00:17:41,563 --> 00:17:43,330 It's just a complete cover up. 351 00:17:49,037 --> 00:17:52,974 What was going on in the time between the closing of Project Blue Book 352 00:17:53,007 --> 00:17:56,578 and the beginning of the officially announced UFO programs 353 00:17:56,611 --> 00:17:58,478 that we know about today? 354 00:17:58,513 --> 00:17:59,981 Why is it important? 355 00:18:00,014 --> 00:18:03,150 Because in those years, is where the truth lies. 356 00:18:03,183 --> 00:18:08,556 A truth that many have gone to great lengths to conceal, deny, and debunk. 357 00:18:08,590 --> 00:18:10,558 We start by taking a closer look 358 00:18:10,592 --> 00:18:14,328 at the period between 1947 and 2005. 359 00:18:14,361 --> 00:18:16,898 The existence of official UFO research 360 00:18:16,931 --> 00:18:20,400 and programs by the U.S. Government in this time frame 361 00:18:20,434 --> 00:18:22,402 has been staunchly denied. 362 00:18:22,436 --> 00:18:25,138 The facts challenge that position. 363 00:18:25,172 --> 00:18:29,510 In the late 1940s, the world was recovering from World War II. 364 00:18:29,544 --> 00:18:31,613 The military was reorganizing. 365 00:18:31,646 --> 00:18:35,115 In 1947, the Air Force was being created 366 00:18:35,148 --> 00:18:37,351 as a standalone branch of service. 367 00:18:37,384 --> 00:18:40,755 The Cold War and its strategic questions were looming. 368 00:18:40,788 --> 00:18:42,724 But in the midst of all of this, 369 00:18:42,757 --> 00:18:45,225 the United States Army created what they called 370 00:18:45,258 --> 00:18:47,595 the Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit 371 00:18:47,629 --> 00:18:50,430 of the Scientific and Technical branch. 372 00:18:50,464 --> 00:18:52,734 Why did they need that? 373 00:18:54,468 --> 00:18:58,906 Numerous FOIA request verified the existence of this Army program. 374 00:18:58,940 --> 00:19:01,042 They state that the unit disbanded 375 00:19:01,075 --> 00:19:04,211 and was folded into Project Blue Book in the 50s. 376 00:19:04,244 --> 00:19:05,813 But the files of this group 377 00:19:05,847 --> 00:19:09,216 are not part of the official Project Blue Book Collection. 378 00:19:09,249 --> 00:19:11,119 So where did they go? 379 00:19:11,151 --> 00:19:14,889 During that time, there was advanced technology in the possession of Germany. 380 00:19:14,922 --> 00:19:18,526 Scientists were brought over after the war to continue the work. 381 00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:21,963 Stories of UFOs and crashes were abundant, 382 00:19:21,996 --> 00:19:26,233 including the famous Roswell incident of 1947. 383 00:19:26,266 --> 00:19:28,268 The late astronaut Dr. Edgar Mitchell 384 00:19:28,301 --> 00:19:31,639 was given secret information about events of the time. 385 00:19:31,673 --> 00:19:34,042 In this never before seen video, 386 00:19:34,075 --> 00:19:36,044 he shares what he was told. 387 00:19:36,077 --> 00:19:37,945 Individuals at the Pentagon, 388 00:19:37,979 --> 00:19:41,415 had been attempting to get into the system 389 00:19:41,448 --> 00:19:42,917 and find out about it, 390 00:19:43,818 --> 00:19:47,121 thus confirming and had confirmed. 391 00:19:47,155 --> 00:19:48,723 that the Roswell incident was real. 392 00:19:48,756 --> 00:19:53,895 They saw some of the material from the crashed spacecraft. 393 00:19:53,928 --> 00:19:59,266 Some saw bodies from the beings that were killed in that crash. 394 00:19:59,299 --> 00:20:02,302 There were some that saw a live being. 395 00:20:02,335 --> 00:20:07,374 A live being had been taken away and was in the system somewhere. 396 00:20:07,407 --> 00:20:11,879 So those were real life incidents that were reported to me. 397 00:20:14,649 --> 00:20:18,786 Many believe in the formation of a group called Majestic 12 398 00:20:18,820 --> 00:20:20,688 assembled by President Truman, 399 00:20:20,722 --> 00:20:23,658 to strategize about how to handle the information 400 00:20:23,691 --> 00:20:25,793 about these encounters and more. 401 00:20:25,827 --> 00:20:28,029 Documents purport to detail the creation 402 00:20:28,062 --> 00:20:31,264 and deployment of this group, but their authenticity 403 00:20:31,298 --> 00:20:33,601 is still a hotly debated topic. 404 00:20:33,634 --> 00:20:37,004 It makes sense, however, that under such circumstances, 405 00:20:37,038 --> 00:20:39,607 just such a group would have been formed. 406 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,542 They would have had control of the subject 407 00:20:41,576 --> 00:20:43,811 and accountability to a select few. 408 00:20:43,845 --> 00:20:46,480 If a decision was made to enact secrecy, 409 00:20:46,514 --> 00:20:48,816 this group would have made it happen. 410 00:20:50,985 --> 00:20:57,225 After years of UFO hysteria and speculation between 1947 and 1952, 411 00:20:57,257 --> 00:21:01,428 the government finally said that they were taking the subject seriously. 412 00:21:01,461 --> 00:21:02,663 Enter Project Blue Book, 413 00:21:02,697 --> 00:21:03,965 a public program 414 00:21:03,998 --> 00:21:07,034 that was supposed to shed light on the UFO subject. 415 00:21:07,068 --> 00:21:11,773 Paul Hynek, son of the late J. Allen Hynek, shared this. 416 00:21:11,806 --> 00:21:14,407 My father was the chief scientific consultant 417 00:21:14,441 --> 00:21:18,079 working alongside Air Force counterparts. 418 00:21:18,112 --> 00:21:22,049 And it became clear that the role of Project Blue Book 419 00:21:22,083 --> 00:21:27,688 wasn't to look for the truth, but was to manufacture answers 420 00:21:27,722 --> 00:21:29,557 and to tamp down hysteria. 421 00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:36,164 Somebody called it the Society for the Explanation of the Uninvestigated. 422 00:21:36,197 --> 00:21:40,835 My father had to question whether he should stay involved. 423 00:21:40,868 --> 00:21:43,204 James McDonald, one of his colleagues, said, 424 00:21:43,237 --> 00:21:46,974 look, you're being played a fool by the Air Force, 425 00:21:47,008 --> 00:21:48,609 and my father thought a lot about it. 426 00:21:48,643 --> 00:21:50,211 He finally decided that 427 00:21:50,244 --> 00:21:53,981 having that front row center seat to all these goings on 428 00:21:54,015 --> 00:21:56,784 and being able to influence things, not control, 429 00:21:56,818 --> 00:21:58,318 was worth the trouble. 430 00:21:58,351 --> 00:22:04,457 But it became increasingly frustrating for him over time, 431 00:22:04,491 --> 00:22:08,062 as he saw that the Air Force was not changing their colors. 432 00:22:10,698 --> 00:22:13,067 J. Allen Hynek was openly frustrated 433 00:22:13,100 --> 00:22:15,069 by the fact he was never given access 434 00:22:15,102 --> 00:22:18,739 to what he knew were compelling events shrouded in secrecy. 435 00:22:18,773 --> 00:22:22,176 It haunted him until his passing in 1986. 436 00:22:22,210 --> 00:22:26,013 Official Air Force statements regarding the conclusion of Blue Book say, 437 00:22:26,047 --> 00:22:28,282 "Since the termination of Project Blue Book, 438 00:22:28,316 --> 00:22:30,350 "nothing has occurred that would support 439 00:22:30,383 --> 00:22:34,021 "a resumption of UFO investigations by the Air Force." 440 00:22:34,055 --> 00:22:37,225 But another four-year request revealed a different story. 441 00:22:37,258 --> 00:22:40,695 A 1969 memo from General Carroll Bolender, 442 00:22:40,728 --> 00:22:43,664 a senior director at Air Force Research and Development, 443 00:22:43,698 --> 00:22:46,334 stated, "After Blue Book was dissolved, 444 00:22:46,366 --> 00:22:47,668 "that reports of 'UFOs' 445 00:22:47,702 --> 00:22:49,704 "would still continue to be handled 446 00:22:49,737 --> 00:22:51,606 "through a standard Air Force procedure 447 00:22:51,639 --> 00:22:53,140 "designed for this purpose. 448 00:22:53,174 --> 00:22:56,143 "Furthermore, reports of unidentified flying objects 449 00:22:56,177 --> 00:22:59,146 "which could affect national security were, are, 450 00:22:59,180 --> 00:23:01,448 "not part of the Blue Book system." 451 00:23:01,481 --> 00:23:05,586 There was the creation of the Air Intelligence Service squadrons, 452 00:23:05,620 --> 00:23:09,422 which were tasked with going to any spot 453 00:23:09,456 --> 00:23:11,225 in the continental United States, 454 00:23:11,259 --> 00:23:15,863 within six hours and picking up debris, 455 00:23:15,897 --> 00:23:21,769 fallen pilots, and also containing information leak. 456 00:23:21,802 --> 00:23:24,437 And so many people think that that would have been 457 00:23:24,471 --> 00:23:28,408 the entity or the agency that gave birth to the Men in Black. 458 00:23:28,441 --> 00:23:32,647 What seems to be clear is that there was a bifurcation. 459 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,382 That Project Blue Book may have started off 460 00:23:34,414 --> 00:23:35,716 as a serious scientific endeavor, 461 00:23:35,750 --> 00:23:38,386 but as of 1953, it no longer was, 462 00:23:38,418 --> 00:23:42,223 and there was most likely the Air Intelligence Service squadrons 463 00:23:42,256 --> 00:23:43,824 that picked up the banner 464 00:23:43,858 --> 00:23:46,594 of going out and trying to find saucers 465 00:23:46,627 --> 00:23:49,163 and then hand them off to people 466 00:23:49,196 --> 00:23:51,032 who would try to reverse-engineer 467 00:23:51,065 --> 00:23:52,934 the propulsion systems, et cetera. 468 00:23:52,967 --> 00:23:54,769 General Arthur Exon described to us 469 00:23:54,802 --> 00:23:56,404 when he was base commander 470 00:23:56,436 --> 00:23:59,674 at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in 1964, 471 00:23:59,707 --> 00:24:02,343 that there would be an ongoing joke 472 00:24:02,376 --> 00:24:05,413 that the Blue Book, you know, a two-man team would fly off 473 00:24:05,445 --> 00:24:08,115 in a little single engine plane in one direction, 474 00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:11,419 and then the actual project would arrive from Washington 475 00:24:11,451 --> 00:24:14,922 on a commercial flight, they would change back into their uniforms, 476 00:24:14,956 --> 00:24:19,393 and a team of 12-15 officers would fly off in a jet 477 00:24:19,427 --> 00:24:22,897 to actually conduct full-scale investigations. 478 00:24:25,266 --> 00:24:27,034 Project Blue Book was headquartered 479 00:24:27,068 --> 00:24:29,036 at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, 480 00:24:29,070 --> 00:24:32,073 but some of the other, more secret UFO programs 481 00:24:32,106 --> 00:24:34,141 seem to have been located there, too. 482 00:24:34,175 --> 00:24:37,111 One of these is the mysterious Blue Room, 483 00:24:37,144 --> 00:24:41,282 an underground repository of recovered technology and debris. 484 00:24:41,315 --> 00:24:45,286 This is the location, allegedly, where they brought the bodies 485 00:24:45,319 --> 00:24:46,988 and the craft from the Roswell crash 486 00:24:47,021 --> 00:24:50,358 and where all of the other crash retrievals and bodies, 487 00:24:50,391 --> 00:24:53,561 kind of like they have a consortium of where they keep all this. 488 00:24:53,594 --> 00:24:57,865 So you've got the bodies, you've got the craft, you've got the debris, 489 00:24:57,898 --> 00:24:59,233 autopsy reports, 490 00:24:59,266 --> 00:25:02,470 the eight-by-ten glossy black and white photographs, 491 00:25:02,503 --> 00:25:06,207 and the gun camera footage is all supposed to be kept 492 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,210 at the Blue Room, some type of an underground vault 493 00:25:09,243 --> 00:25:13,147 or Building 18 at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. 494 00:25:13,180 --> 00:25:16,751 Senator Barry Goldwater sought confirmation of this. 495 00:25:16,784 --> 00:25:18,786 At Wright-Patterson field, 496 00:25:18,819 --> 00:25:21,489 if you could get into certain places, 497 00:25:21,522 --> 00:25:23,290 you find out what the Air Force 498 00:25:23,324 --> 00:25:26,093 and the government knows about UFOs. 499 00:25:26,127 --> 00:25:31,098 Reportedly, a spaceship landed 500 00:25:31,132 --> 00:25:35,036 and it was all hushed up, quiet, and nobody ever... 501 00:25:35,069 --> 00:25:37,271 I've never heard about much of it. 502 00:25:38,339 --> 00:25:42,777 I called Curtis LeMay, and I said, "General, 503 00:25:42,810 --> 00:25:47,048 "I know we have a room at Wright-Patterson, 504 00:25:47,081 --> 00:25:49,316 "where you put all the secret stuff. 505 00:25:51,018 --> 00:25:52,253 "Could I go in there?" 506 00:25:53,220 --> 00:25:56,123 I've never heard him get mad, 507 00:25:56,157 --> 00:25:58,559 but he got madder than hell at me. 508 00:25:58,592 --> 00:25:59,827 Cussed me out, 509 00:25:59,860 --> 00:26:02,730 said, "Don't ever ask me that question." 510 00:26:02,763 --> 00:26:06,267 Supposedly, the contents of the Blue Room were filmed. 511 00:26:06,300 --> 00:26:10,104 Exhaustive FOIA requests finally revealed that this film 512 00:26:10,137 --> 00:26:13,040 did indeed exist, but was destroyed. 513 00:26:15,409 --> 00:26:19,213 Nick Pope, a longtime ex-British government pundit on the topic, 514 00:26:19,246 --> 00:26:22,483 denied official investigation of the subject for years. 515 00:26:22,517 --> 00:26:23,684 Until he didn't. 516 00:26:23,717 --> 00:26:26,720 The more interesting UFO sightings are being looked at, 517 00:26:26,754 --> 00:26:29,356 but not under the auspices 518 00:26:29,390 --> 00:26:32,760 of a formally constituted UFO research program. 519 00:26:32,793 --> 00:26:36,664 We now know about a government UFO program, 520 00:26:36,697 --> 00:26:42,636 but we might not know about the government UFO program. 521 00:26:45,473 --> 00:26:47,208 Pope has told a story about 522 00:26:47,241 --> 00:26:49,710 a picture that hung on the wall of his office for years 523 00:26:49,743 --> 00:26:51,112 until being removed. 524 00:26:51,145 --> 00:26:54,381 The Calvine incident from the United Kingdom, 525 00:26:54,415 --> 00:26:57,418 is one of the most intriguing sightings 526 00:26:57,451 --> 00:26:59,887 in the British government's UFO files. 527 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:02,056 And for some years, 528 00:27:02,089 --> 00:27:06,293 when I was working in Ministry of Defense main building on this issue, 529 00:27:06,327 --> 00:27:11,298 we had a blown-up, poster-sized enlargement 530 00:27:11,332 --> 00:27:15,002 of one of the photos that was taken. 531 00:27:15,035 --> 00:27:17,138 The story is that two hikers 532 00:27:17,171 --> 00:27:20,407 were out and they saw a large diamond-shaped UFO. 533 00:27:20,441 --> 00:27:23,944 At one point, there was a military jet in the background. 534 00:27:23,978 --> 00:27:27,148 And then the UFO accelerated away. 535 00:27:27,181 --> 00:27:29,083 We had looked at them at the Ministry of Defense. 536 00:27:29,116 --> 00:27:35,189 They'd been analyzed by various intelligence community imagery analysts. 537 00:27:35,222 --> 00:27:37,024 It was literally a UFO. 538 00:27:37,057 --> 00:27:40,394 The Ministry of Defense embarked on a campaign 539 00:27:40,427 --> 00:27:43,497 to declassify and release its UFO files. 540 00:27:43,532 --> 00:27:47,234 Documents about the Calvine incident emerged, 541 00:27:47,268 --> 00:27:50,704 but the full-size color photos, 542 00:27:50,738 --> 00:27:54,074 the negatives, the enlarged image that was on my wall, 543 00:27:54,108 --> 00:27:55,976 gone. Disappeared. 544 00:27:56,010 --> 00:28:00,515 There was an effort to see if the original photos 545 00:28:00,549 --> 00:28:05,953 might be in the hard copy file held at the National Archives. 546 00:28:05,986 --> 00:28:08,523 And, apparently, the hard copy file 547 00:28:08,557 --> 00:28:11,792 will be released in about the year 2072. 548 00:28:14,161 --> 00:28:15,996 In an interesting turn of events, 549 00:28:16,030 --> 00:28:18,132 just as we were finishing this project, 550 00:28:18,165 --> 00:28:19,500 the picture appeared. 551 00:28:19,534 --> 00:28:22,836 This is the mysterious Calvine UFO photograph. 552 00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:24,405 The facts around this photograph 553 00:28:24,438 --> 00:28:26,608 strongly suggest an unknown group 554 00:28:26,641 --> 00:28:29,611 that was able to intercept the release of this image 555 00:28:29,644 --> 00:28:30,945 and attempt to stop it. 556 00:28:30,978 --> 00:28:32,614 But who are they? 557 00:28:32,647 --> 00:28:34,815 Information in government, 558 00:28:34,848 --> 00:28:37,619 in particularly intelligence information, 559 00:28:37,652 --> 00:28:42,890 it's highly classified, deeply compartmentalized, 560 00:28:42,923 --> 00:28:44,559 everyone works in silos. 561 00:28:44,593 --> 00:28:47,494 The left hand often doesn't know what the right hand's doing. 562 00:28:47,529 --> 00:28:50,297 We saw an example of compartmentalization 563 00:28:50,331 --> 00:28:52,701 and the evasion of scrutiny and straight answers 564 00:28:52,733 --> 00:28:55,570 during the recent Senate hearings on UFOs. 565 00:28:55,604 --> 00:28:59,273 So you're not aware of anything in between Project Blue Book and AATIP? 566 00:28:59,306 --> 00:29:01,342 Hasn't been brought to my attention. 567 00:29:01,375 --> 00:29:04,646 That data is not within the holdings of the UAP task force. 568 00:29:04,679 --> 00:29:06,247 There are many things that are out there in the ether 569 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:07,948 that aren't officially brought to our attention. 570 00:29:07,982 --> 00:29:10,050 How would it have to be officially brought? 571 00:29:10,084 --> 00:29:11,852 I'm bringing it to your attention. 572 00:29:11,885 --> 00:29:14,321 Probably a lot of leads that we would have to follow up on. 573 00:29:14,355 --> 00:29:16,290 I don't think we have resource to do that right now. 574 00:29:16,323 --> 00:29:18,459 All I can speak to is, you know, what's within my cognizance, 575 00:29:18,492 --> 00:29:21,362 the UAP task force, and we have not looked at that incident. 576 00:29:21,395 --> 00:29:23,063 And then, finally, are you aware of a document 577 00:29:23,097 --> 00:29:24,633 that appeared around 2019, 578 00:29:24,666 --> 00:29:28,637 sometimes called the Admiral Wilson Memo or E.W. Notes Memo? 579 00:29:28,670 --> 00:29:32,039 -I am... I am not... -I'm not personally aware of that. 580 00:29:32,072 --> 00:29:35,644 These answers are made possible by compartmentalization 581 00:29:35,677 --> 00:29:37,612 that aids in deniability. 582 00:29:37,646 --> 00:29:39,079 You can ask the questions, 583 00:29:39,113 --> 00:29:40,814 but who are you going to ask them of? 584 00:29:40,848 --> 00:29:43,384 And you've got to make sure you're asking the right people the questions, 585 00:29:43,417 --> 00:29:45,553 because that's another problem. 586 00:29:45,587 --> 00:29:47,555 You can ask questions all day long. 587 00:29:49,923 --> 00:29:53,127 While we're at it, what is the Wilson-Davis Memo 588 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,162 that Senator Gallagher asked about? 589 00:29:55,195 --> 00:30:00,167 It's the leak of 15 pages of notes by Dr. Eric Davis, 590 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,705 of a meeting he had in 2002 with a retired member 591 00:30:03,738 --> 00:30:06,708 of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Thomas R. Wilson. 592 00:30:06,741 --> 00:30:11,345 And the contents of these notes are absolutely explosive. 593 00:30:11,378 --> 00:30:13,981 The Wilson-Davis Memo was found in the files 594 00:30:14,014 --> 00:30:15,717 of the late Dr. Edgar Mitchell. 595 00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:18,352 It was the existence of a reverse-engineering program 596 00:30:18,385 --> 00:30:21,623 to reverse-engineer extraterrestrial technology. 597 00:30:21,656 --> 00:30:23,123 After he learned about the existence 598 00:30:23,157 --> 00:30:26,994 of a deep classified program to study ET technology. 599 00:30:27,027 --> 00:30:32,366 And the fact that he had genuine legal regulatory oversight over this, 600 00:30:32,399 --> 00:30:34,703 how he was denied access to this program. 601 00:30:34,736 --> 00:30:38,640 We'd retrieved a functioning craft that was ET in nature. 602 00:30:38,673 --> 00:30:40,642 I mean, this is all stated in there. 603 00:30:40,675 --> 00:30:43,578 And that there had been this long reverse-engineering program. 604 00:30:43,611 --> 00:30:45,647 But it had gone into a corporate company, 605 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,082 and the heads of the Joint Chiefs of Staff 606 00:30:48,115 --> 00:30:49,551 have no business looking into it. 607 00:30:49,584 --> 00:30:51,786 The memorable quote on that note is, 608 00:30:51,820 --> 00:30:54,321 "Technology not of this Earth, 609 00:30:54,355 --> 00:30:57,659 "not made by man, not by human hands." 610 00:30:57,692 --> 00:30:59,561 They said, "No, you're not read in." 611 00:30:59,594 --> 00:31:02,863 Admiral Wilson denies the authenticity of the story. 612 00:31:02,896 --> 00:31:05,567 Dr. Eric Davis plays a significant role 613 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,901 in the programs we are describing here, 614 00:31:07,935 --> 00:31:09,704 the history and the research. 615 00:31:09,738 --> 00:31:11,271 He said this, 616 00:31:11,305 --> 00:31:16,276 "I am not at liberty to confirm or verify any aspect of those notes." 617 00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:18,646 These notes, in my view, 618 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,582 there's no question about their authenticity. 619 00:31:23,417 --> 00:31:25,452 In a recent presentation to Congress, 620 00:31:25,486 --> 00:31:28,021 MUFON, the Mutual UFO Network, 621 00:31:28,055 --> 00:31:32,426 presented a slide pointing out nearly 20 government agencies 622 00:31:32,459 --> 00:31:36,063 that have some program or study of UAP. 623 00:31:36,096 --> 00:31:37,498 There were many. 624 00:31:39,166 --> 00:31:40,668 In 1991, 625 00:31:40,702 --> 00:31:42,537 New York Times writer Howard Blum 626 00:31:42,570 --> 00:31:44,539 released the book Out There. 627 00:31:44,572 --> 00:31:47,241 In it, he detailed an actual group 628 00:31:47,274 --> 00:31:50,177 formed by the Pentagon to investigate new evidence 629 00:31:50,210 --> 00:31:52,946 related to an extraterrestrial presence. 630 00:31:52,980 --> 00:31:57,251 This group, referred to in the book as the UFO Working Group, 631 00:31:57,284 --> 00:31:59,521 was led by a shadowy army colonel 632 00:31:59,554 --> 00:32:02,524 referred to as Colonel Phillips. 633 00:32:02,557 --> 00:32:05,359 It is believed that the mysterious Colonel Phillips 634 00:32:05,392 --> 00:32:09,798 represents a real colonel who is even more of a mystery. 635 00:32:09,831 --> 00:32:14,268 Colonel John Alexander is a central figure in much of this history. 636 00:32:14,301 --> 00:32:19,940 In 1985, he became the director of advanced concepts at the U.S. Army Lab. 637 00:32:20,575 --> 00:32:21,576 In 2009, 638 00:32:21,609 --> 00:32:24,779 John Alexander spoke at the UFOX Conference 639 00:32:24,813 --> 00:32:27,281 and was interviewed behind the scenes. 640 00:32:27,314 --> 00:32:32,219 What I think needs to happen at this time is not disclosure per se, 641 00:32:32,252 --> 00:32:33,788 because I don't think there is much to disclose. 642 00:32:33,822 --> 00:32:38,058 What I think needs to happen is we need to make it okay, 643 00:32:38,091 --> 00:32:41,563 permissible for serious scientists 644 00:32:41,596 --> 00:32:44,097 who want to explore these fields to do this. 645 00:32:44,131 --> 00:32:47,100 Unknown at the time of this original interview, 646 00:32:47,134 --> 00:32:48,435 he had been running a program 647 00:32:48,469 --> 00:32:51,138 exactly like the kind described in Blum's book. 648 00:32:51,171 --> 00:32:55,810 A bunch of military, aerospace and government insiders 649 00:32:55,844 --> 00:32:59,112 started with the Advanced Theoretical Physics Working Group. 650 00:32:59,146 --> 00:33:02,650 Now, there's even some evidence that it existed prior to that. 651 00:33:02,684 --> 00:33:06,521 I ran a program inside the government, 652 00:33:06,554 --> 00:33:09,691 I had all of the services involved, 653 00:33:09,724 --> 00:33:13,160 I had many aspects of the Intelligence community, 654 00:33:13,193 --> 00:33:15,630 I had aerospace engineers. 655 00:33:15,663 --> 00:33:18,766 It was at the top secret SCI level, 656 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,368 so everybody had the high clearances. 657 00:33:23,671 --> 00:33:26,240 They had this meeting at BDM Corporation 658 00:33:26,273 --> 00:33:28,475 in a secure vault room and said, 659 00:33:28,510 --> 00:33:30,812 "We're forming up this group." 660 00:33:30,845 --> 00:33:32,714 And that was in 1985. 661 00:33:32,747 --> 00:33:34,047 The real name of the group 662 00:33:34,081 --> 00:33:37,184 was the Advanced Theoretical Physics Working Group. 663 00:33:37,217 --> 00:33:39,219 The study topics included 664 00:33:39,253 --> 00:33:41,388 Advanced Detector Deployment, 665 00:33:41,421 --> 00:33:45,627 Established Communication, New Materials, 666 00:33:45,660 --> 00:33:48,395 Develop a "Gravity Interaction System", 667 00:33:48,428 --> 00:33:51,098 "Biological Controls of Processes". 668 00:33:51,966 --> 00:33:54,002 We start by saying it's real. 669 00:33:54,034 --> 00:33:55,435 So let's be clear. 670 00:33:55,469 --> 00:33:57,037 UFOs are real, 671 00:33:57,070 --> 00:33:58,673 sensor systems picked them up. 672 00:34:01,543 --> 00:34:04,913 UFOs have been around, you know, 673 00:34:04,946 --> 00:34:07,649 since, again, the beginning of time, 674 00:34:07,682 --> 00:34:10,919 or recorded history as we know it. 675 00:34:10,952 --> 00:34:14,321 It is a global phenomenon. 676 00:34:16,223 --> 00:34:19,426 One of the things that will come up in this, undoubtedly, 677 00:34:19,459 --> 00:34:21,128 is the BAASS study 678 00:34:21,161 --> 00:34:23,297 or the one that Lue Elizondo said 679 00:34:23,330 --> 00:34:26,233 came out in The New York Times. 680 00:34:26,266 --> 00:34:27,501 We spent a lot of time 681 00:34:27,535 --> 00:34:28,903 in the analysis piece of this, 682 00:34:28,937 --> 00:34:31,973 getting experts within the community, 683 00:34:32,006 --> 00:34:35,309 both the Department of Defense and the Intelligence community. 684 00:34:35,342 --> 00:34:38,078 It basically followed the same thing 685 00:34:38,111 --> 00:34:41,448 that I had done 30 years earlier 686 00:34:41,481 --> 00:34:45,587 and found, I think, basically the same thing. 687 00:34:45,620 --> 00:34:47,321 What we're talking about is something 688 00:34:47,354 --> 00:34:50,190 that is probably not ours or adversarial. 689 00:34:50,223 --> 00:34:54,494 Something that we really just don't know where it's from. 690 00:34:54,529 --> 00:34:56,430 And may have been frankly here for quite a while. 691 00:34:56,463 --> 00:34:58,465 The things that they knew about 692 00:34:58,498 --> 00:35:02,102 the capabilities of UFOs were being observed 693 00:35:02,135 --> 00:35:03,136 felt the same. 694 00:35:03,170 --> 00:35:06,774 Really fast, high speed turns, anti-gravity. 695 00:35:06,808 --> 00:35:09,176 You know, things that just can't happen. 696 00:35:11,646 --> 00:35:14,247 And first of all, every sensorial system we have 697 00:35:14,281 --> 00:35:17,351 does pick up UFOs from time to time. 698 00:35:17,384 --> 00:35:20,622 We have hard craft more than a mile across, 699 00:35:20,655 --> 00:35:23,992 multi sensor. I mean, absolutely real. 700 00:35:24,025 --> 00:35:27,629 And thousands and thousands of variations in between. 701 00:35:27,662 --> 00:35:30,430 UAP observed and interacting with 702 00:35:30,464 --> 00:35:32,366 and flying over sensitive military facilities, 703 00:35:32,399 --> 00:35:33,801 and not just ranges, 704 00:35:33,835 --> 00:35:37,170 but some facilities housing our strategic nuclear forces. 705 00:35:37,204 --> 00:35:39,439 One such incident allegedly occurred 706 00:35:39,473 --> 00:35:41,876 at Malmstrom Air Force Base, 707 00:35:41,909 --> 00:35:44,679 in which ten of our nuclear ICBMs were rendered inoperable. 708 00:35:44,712 --> 00:35:46,681 People do look at some of these things. 709 00:35:46,714 --> 00:35:49,651 Particularly, the incidents with F aded Giant 710 00:35:49,684 --> 00:35:53,121 that Bob Salas talks about where you had missiles go down. 711 00:35:53,153 --> 00:35:54,589 Absolutely real. 712 00:35:54,622 --> 00:35:56,958 I have heard stories, I have not seen the official data. 713 00:35:56,991 --> 00:35:58,926 No official assessment 714 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,864 that you've done or exist within DOD that you're aware of 715 00:36:02,897 --> 00:36:04,699 regarding the Malmstrom incident? 716 00:36:04,732 --> 00:36:06,000 We have not looked at that incident. 717 00:36:06,034 --> 00:36:07,869 You're the guys investigating it. 718 00:36:07,902 --> 00:36:09,403 I mean, who else is doing it? 719 00:36:09,436 --> 00:36:14,008 Studied the hell out of it and end up with, "Have no idea." 720 00:36:16,944 --> 00:36:18,713 This stunning set of revelations 721 00:36:18,746 --> 00:36:21,649 places John Alexander in the thick of the subject 722 00:36:21,683 --> 00:36:25,653 during the elusive missing years in question. 723 00:36:25,687 --> 00:36:28,321 A request for information on the military background 724 00:36:28,355 --> 00:36:32,325 of Colonel John Alexander returned an absolute refusal 725 00:36:32,359 --> 00:36:34,394 by the Department of Army personnel, 726 00:36:34,428 --> 00:36:38,265 to even acknowledge Colonel Alexander's military record. 727 00:36:41,368 --> 00:36:43,104 After retiring from the Army, 728 00:36:43,137 --> 00:36:47,041 John Alexander worked at Los Alamos National Labs. 729 00:36:47,075 --> 00:36:48,543 In 1995, 730 00:36:48,576 --> 00:36:52,580 Alexander took a position at a new research group called NIDS. 731 00:36:52,613 --> 00:36:55,783 The National Institute for Discovery Sciences. 732 00:36:55,817 --> 00:36:59,620 NIDS was founded by a Nevada billionaire, Robert Bigelow. 733 00:36:59,654 --> 00:37:02,389 These individuals became friends with Robert Bigelow, 734 00:37:02,422 --> 00:37:03,758 and they became involved with him. 735 00:37:03,791 --> 00:37:06,627 Shortly after that, another organization 736 00:37:06,661 --> 00:37:08,129 was formed called NIDS, 737 00:37:08,162 --> 00:37:10,598 National Institute of Discovery Science. 738 00:37:10,631 --> 00:37:12,066 And Bigelow funded that, 739 00:37:12,100 --> 00:37:15,435 and it involved all these same people and others. 740 00:37:15,469 --> 00:37:17,304 Shortly after forming NIDS, 741 00:37:17,337 --> 00:37:22,242 Robert Bigelow bought the famous paranormal site known as Skinwalker Ranch. 742 00:37:22,275 --> 00:37:24,645 John Alexander was there. 743 00:37:24,679 --> 00:37:25,880 I was with Bob, 744 00:37:26,714 --> 00:37:28,049 Robert Bigelow who owned it. 745 00:37:28,082 --> 00:37:30,250 I was with Bob the day he bought the ranch. 746 00:37:30,283 --> 00:37:32,486 Was the first one to, 747 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,655 you know, spend the night. 748 00:37:34,689 --> 00:37:37,024 We spent years looking at that. 749 00:37:37,058 --> 00:37:40,027 He would go on to personally witness events 750 00:37:40,061 --> 00:37:42,196 that led him to startling conclusions 751 00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:45,465 about the complexity of unexplained phenomenon. 752 00:37:45,499 --> 00:37:48,736 There was no single phenomenon that was happening at the ranch. 753 00:37:48,770 --> 00:37:52,673 The stories are so bizarre, what you end up, though, 754 00:37:52,707 --> 00:37:56,077 with is something that is terribly complex, 755 00:37:56,110 --> 00:37:59,080 maybe more complex than we can imagine. 756 00:38:01,783 --> 00:38:04,051 It wasn't long before strange reports 757 00:38:04,085 --> 00:38:06,020 of unusual activity at the ranch 758 00:38:06,053 --> 00:38:09,891 attracted the attention of the Defense Intelligence Agency. 759 00:38:09,924 --> 00:38:11,526 You look at the guys involved, 760 00:38:11,559 --> 00:38:14,929 and some of them were, I mean, we're talking PhD-level scientists. 761 00:38:14,962 --> 00:38:19,066 Robert Bigelow went on to form Bigelow Advanced Aerospace Studies, 762 00:38:19,100 --> 00:38:22,103 BAASS, as the evolved version of NIDs. 763 00:38:22,136 --> 00:38:26,607 He was quickly rewarded with a Defense Intelligence Agency contract 764 00:38:26,641 --> 00:38:30,845 to study subjects closely tied to the UAP phenomenon. 765 00:38:30,878 --> 00:38:33,313 According to the original contract, 766 00:38:33,346 --> 00:38:35,149 some of these topics included, 767 00:38:35,183 --> 00:38:39,954 Lift, Propulsion, Control, Power Generation, 768 00:38:39,987 --> 00:38:42,156 Spatial/Temporal Translation, 769 00:38:42,190 --> 00:38:45,593 Materials, Structural Configuration, 770 00:38:45,626 --> 00:38:48,663 Signature Reduction, Human Interface, 771 00:38:48,696 --> 00:38:51,933 Human Effects, and Armament. 772 00:38:51,966 --> 00:38:54,268 At one point, BAASS brought on MUFON, 773 00:38:54,302 --> 00:38:55,870 the Mutual UFO Network, 774 00:38:55,903 --> 00:38:58,906 to help in the study of UFO events around the world. 775 00:38:58,940 --> 00:39:01,709 Richard Lang ran the program inside MUFON. 776 00:39:01,742 --> 00:39:03,544 When we put this program together, 777 00:39:03,578 --> 00:39:05,345 basically what they were doing 778 00:39:05,378 --> 00:39:10,151 is they were paying MUFON for data every month. 779 00:39:10,184 --> 00:39:12,086 At the time that we put this all together, 780 00:39:12,119 --> 00:39:14,856 we didn't know that the DIA was funding this. 781 00:39:14,889 --> 00:39:17,390 I knew based on some of the conversations I had 782 00:39:17,424 --> 00:39:21,394 that there was somebody funding that, that wasn't Bigelow, 783 00:39:21,428 --> 00:39:22,597 but I didn't know who it was. 784 00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:24,866 I assumed it was some government agency. 785 00:39:27,134 --> 00:39:29,436 The BAASS program was called AAWSAP. 786 00:39:29,469 --> 00:39:33,774 It was the precursor program to what we now know as AATIP. 787 00:39:33,808 --> 00:39:39,046 Lue Elizondo says he took over the remains of the program in 2009. 788 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:44,185 So the initial focus of AATIP, which was really AAWSAP, 789 00:39:44,218 --> 00:39:46,453 was very broad. 790 00:39:46,486 --> 00:39:50,992 So imagine trying to shoot a fly with a shotgun, right? 791 00:39:51,959 --> 00:39:53,327 Chances are you probably hit the fly, 792 00:39:53,361 --> 00:39:55,696 but chances are you're going to hit a lot more. 793 00:39:55,730 --> 00:39:58,599 So we quickly realized that we were getting a lot of information 794 00:39:58,633 --> 00:40:01,335 as a result of this broad focus very quickly, 795 00:40:01,369 --> 00:40:03,671 and we frankly, just didn't have the staff to deal with it all. 796 00:40:03,704 --> 00:40:06,140 So a decision was made early on 797 00:40:06,173 --> 00:40:09,810 to focus a program, the program was renamed to AATIP, 798 00:40:09,844 --> 00:40:13,147 and really use, let's say, instead of a shotgun, 799 00:40:13,180 --> 00:40:15,950 maybe we're going to use a sniper rifle this time, right? 800 00:40:15,983 --> 00:40:19,987 So much more focused on what it is we were trying to collect, 801 00:40:20,021 --> 00:40:24,725 and try to digest this elephant, one bite at a time. 802 00:40:24,759 --> 00:40:27,561 And so the focus of AATIP was indeed... 803 00:40:27,595 --> 00:40:29,330 Was indeed the phenomenon. 804 00:40:30,998 --> 00:40:33,567 Again, the challenge is, where do you start? 805 00:40:33,601 --> 00:40:36,337 We have got, and we may well get, 806 00:40:36,871 --> 00:40:38,105 interesting information, 807 00:40:38,139 --> 00:40:39,707 but we may never get all of it. 808 00:40:39,740 --> 00:40:42,376 What I'm afraid happens, too, is that somebody 809 00:40:42,410 --> 00:40:47,447 that has this knowledge, passes away or goes on, 810 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,418 and then the new person coming in doesn't quite 811 00:40:50,450 --> 00:40:52,219 grasp what's going on. 812 00:40:52,253 --> 00:40:56,290 One difficulty with getting information from the military is, 813 00:40:56,324 --> 00:40:58,793 those who say don't know. 814 00:40:58,826 --> 00:41:01,461 Those who know don't say. 815 00:41:01,494 --> 00:41:03,764 In other words, when someone says that they know everything 816 00:41:03,798 --> 00:41:08,102 about what's happening with the military, then don't believe it. 817 00:41:08,135 --> 00:41:10,938 Because maybe there are things that they don't know. 818 00:41:10,972 --> 00:41:14,474 So I think the mantra here is "Beware". 819 00:41:14,508 --> 00:41:15,609 That is, be cautious. 820 00:41:15,643 --> 00:41:19,046 Don't believe everything you hear from the military. 821 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:20,748 These private corporations that are running 822 00:41:20,781 --> 00:41:23,117 the special access programs, they are the Mafia. 823 00:41:24,185 --> 00:41:27,888 They don't want anything examining what they do. 824 00:41:27,922 --> 00:41:29,790 They've got the future in their possession. 825 00:41:29,824 --> 00:41:33,561 They've got the most exotic technology and science imaginable, 826 00:41:33,594 --> 00:41:35,029 and they have it. 827 00:41:35,062 --> 00:41:37,765 Why would they possibly want to share it? 828 00:41:37,798 --> 00:41:39,967 Anybody that does know the truth, 829 00:41:40,001 --> 00:41:41,569 I don't know their name. 830 00:41:41,602 --> 00:41:43,070 You don't know their name. 831 00:41:43,104 --> 00:41:45,006 They are not in the public right now. 832 00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:46,874 They are not speaking to anybody. 833 00:41:46,907 --> 00:41:48,442 They're not on camera. 834 00:41:48,476 --> 00:41:49,610 You don't know them. 835 00:41:49,643 --> 00:41:51,946 And that's where the dark programs, I think, come in. 836 00:41:51,979 --> 00:41:53,781 The Skunk Works and things like that. 837 00:41:53,814 --> 00:41:58,219 It's where the government and big business somehow are interlocked, 838 00:41:58,252 --> 00:42:02,256 that we don't know and there's somebody knows. 839 00:42:02,289 --> 00:42:05,259 Somebody is getting that money and it's going somewhere. 840 00:42:09,930 --> 00:42:12,533 When it came to investigating UFO mystery, 841 00:42:12,566 --> 00:42:14,001 a lot of people used to say 842 00:42:14,035 --> 00:42:17,071 that all roads lead to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. 843 00:42:17,104 --> 00:42:18,406 But in the last few years, 844 00:42:18,439 --> 00:42:21,075 and especially some of the more controversial subjects, 845 00:42:21,108 --> 00:42:23,744 a lot of the roads lead right here. 846 00:42:23,778 --> 00:42:26,080 Recently declassified documents 847 00:42:26,113 --> 00:42:28,883 now shed light on the other aspects of BAASS 848 00:42:28,916 --> 00:42:31,252 and information that may have originated 849 00:42:31,285 --> 00:42:33,754 from some of these older programs. 850 00:42:33,788 --> 00:42:35,289 Since the early 1900s, 851 00:42:35,322 --> 00:42:38,125 there have been reports of crashed UFOs. 852 00:42:38,159 --> 00:42:39,493 For over a century, 853 00:42:39,528 --> 00:42:42,396 hundreds of witnesses have shared their accounts. 854 00:42:42,430 --> 00:42:46,000 There were 119 alleged crash retrieval cases. 855 00:42:46,033 --> 00:42:48,169 All we need is one to be true, 856 00:42:48,202 --> 00:42:50,871 and it's disclosure right there. All we need is one. 857 00:42:50,905 --> 00:42:53,941 So, some of the cases that come to mind 858 00:42:53,974 --> 00:42:58,179 are certainly 1941, Cape Girardeau, Missouri, 859 00:42:58,212 --> 00:43:00,114 where there were three bodies recovered. 860 00:43:00,147 --> 00:43:01,849 The craft was recovered as well. 861 00:43:01,882 --> 00:43:05,186 It's alleged that the bodies in the craft were stored, 862 00:43:05,219 --> 00:43:06,487 not at the Pentagon, 863 00:43:06,521 --> 00:43:08,923 because the Pentagon didn't exist in '41, 864 00:43:08,956 --> 00:43:12,660 but in the basement of the Capitol Building in Washington, D.C. 865 00:43:12,693 --> 00:43:14,895 So that's 1941, Cape Girardeau. 866 00:43:14,929 --> 00:43:16,931 Now, move fast forward six years, 867 00:43:16,964 --> 00:43:19,433 you've got July 2nd, 1947. 868 00:43:19,467 --> 00:43:21,936 You've got the Roswell Crash retrieval. 869 00:43:21,969 --> 00:43:23,871 There was a small egg-shaped craft 870 00:43:23,904 --> 00:43:26,040 the size of a Volkswagen with a dome on top. 871 00:43:26,073 --> 00:43:27,408 There were five bodies recovered, 872 00:43:27,441 --> 00:43:29,443 one was still alive, so that's Roswell. 873 00:43:29,477 --> 00:43:31,479 Move forward in 1953, 874 00:43:31,513 --> 00:43:33,314 you've got the Kingman. 875 00:43:33,347 --> 00:43:38,652 This is not the crash retrieval, but it is a forced landing. 876 00:43:38,686 --> 00:43:40,555 There were four beings associated 877 00:43:40,589 --> 00:43:43,257 with that particular retrieval operation. 878 00:43:43,290 --> 00:43:46,595 They were all live, they did establish contact. 879 00:43:46,627 --> 00:43:49,663 That craft was allegedly brought to the remote test site in Nevada. 880 00:43:49,697 --> 00:43:54,301 Now, prior to that, we've got the '48 Aztec crash retrieval. 881 00:43:54,335 --> 00:43:58,139 This was a 99.9 foot diameter, disk-shaped craft, 882 00:43:58,172 --> 00:44:02,511 that had kind of a silver outer exterior color. 883 00:44:02,544 --> 00:44:05,913 There were two bodies recovered on the upper dome of the craft 884 00:44:05,946 --> 00:44:09,216 in the central part of the rim of the craft. On the interior, 885 00:44:09,250 --> 00:44:12,753 there were another 14 bodies for a grand total of 16 bodies. 886 00:44:12,786 --> 00:44:17,091 That craft was allegedly brought back to Los Alamos, reassembled, 887 00:44:17,124 --> 00:44:21,563 and then the retrieval operation or the reverse engineering operation 888 00:44:21,596 --> 00:44:22,963 began at that point. 889 00:44:22,997 --> 00:44:25,634 These are some of the retrieval operations 890 00:44:25,666 --> 00:44:29,638 in cases that come to mind that, if we could get one of these, 891 00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:34,509 the evidence for one of these, it would push this field of ufology forward. 892 00:44:34,543 --> 00:44:38,145 There's a red line in this whole process that you're not allowed to cross. 893 00:44:38,179 --> 00:44:41,315 And the red line is, well, the conspiracy line. 894 00:44:41,348 --> 00:44:43,984 The red line is basically crash retrievals, 895 00:44:44,018 --> 00:44:46,153 because if you acknowledge 896 00:44:46,187 --> 00:44:48,557 that there had been retrievals of this technology, 897 00:44:49,123 --> 00:44:50,457 and bodies, 898 00:44:50,491 --> 00:44:53,961 there is no way to avoid the obvious conclusion 899 00:44:53,994 --> 00:44:55,496 that this is a conspiracy. 900 00:44:55,530 --> 00:44:59,634 Areas of materials recovery to the extent that they have been 901 00:44:59,668 --> 00:45:03,270 recovered in crashes, are heavily classified, 902 00:45:03,304 --> 00:45:05,507 so we don't have access to that material. 903 00:45:07,875 --> 00:45:10,844 We know about programs that have existed to study 904 00:45:10,878 --> 00:45:14,448 and attempt to reverse engineer this technology. 905 00:45:14,481 --> 00:45:17,718 The evidence has been circumstantial at best. 906 00:45:17,751 --> 00:45:19,420 Until now. 907 00:45:19,453 --> 00:45:22,557 Included in the 2017 media flurry, 908 00:45:22,591 --> 00:45:25,694 was an additional story by The New York Times. 909 00:45:25,726 --> 00:45:28,697 And they took the conversation right to the edge, 910 00:45:28,729 --> 00:45:31,533 of crash retrievals. Right to the precipice. 911 00:45:31,566 --> 00:45:33,834 If they took one more step, they're going off that cliff 912 00:45:33,867 --> 00:45:36,437 and we're talking about genuine UFO cash retrievals. 913 00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:38,573 What we do know, and what we put in The New York Times, 914 00:45:38,607 --> 00:45:42,376 and I'm pretty proud of this because it was as far as we could go, 915 00:45:42,409 --> 00:45:48,617 that was fully documented, was that a congressional committee's staff 916 00:45:48,650 --> 00:45:55,557 were briefed on with slides referring to material recovery. 917 00:45:55,590 --> 00:45:59,226 Apparent material recovery from crashed UFOs... 918 00:45:59,994 --> 00:46:02,763 off-Earth, off-planet vehicles. 919 00:46:02,796 --> 00:46:05,667 They quoted Eric Davis, they quoted Harry Reid, 920 00:46:05,700 --> 00:46:08,637 both very positively 921 00:46:08,670 --> 00:46:11,972 about UFO crash... Can you imagine what that's like 922 00:46:12,006 --> 00:46:14,842 for The New York Times to talk about UFO crash retrievals? 923 00:46:14,875 --> 00:46:17,211 Senator Harry Reid was quoted as saying 924 00:46:17,244 --> 00:46:20,314 that materials recovered from off-world craft 925 00:46:20,347 --> 00:46:22,983 were studied as part of the AAWSAP Program. 926 00:46:23,017 --> 00:46:25,986 After the story broke, Senator Reid strongly objected 927 00:46:26,020 --> 00:46:29,691 to some of the wording of the story and demanded a retraction. 928 00:46:29,724 --> 00:46:31,892 The verbiage was changed slightly, 929 00:46:31,925 --> 00:46:35,829 but The Times still sticks by its original reporting. 930 00:46:35,863 --> 00:46:39,833 Stories in The New York Times were fully documented, with named sources. 931 00:46:39,867 --> 00:46:43,237 We didn't put in information that hid the origin. 932 00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:44,606 It was very transparent. 933 00:46:44,639 --> 00:46:46,273 We said where we got the information, 934 00:46:46,307 --> 00:46:47,642 we had briefing slides. 935 00:46:47,676 --> 00:46:50,477 One was put into a story that we wrote in The Times. 936 00:46:50,512 --> 00:46:53,847 We actually had the slide, you know, 937 00:46:53,881 --> 00:46:58,285 copied and and pictured in The New York Times. 938 00:46:58,319 --> 00:47:01,523 Dr Eric Davis again made an appearance. 939 00:47:01,556 --> 00:47:04,793 This time, it was reported that he delivered a presentation 940 00:47:04,825 --> 00:47:06,994 behind the closed doors of Congress, 941 00:47:07,027 --> 00:47:10,130 acknowledging that some materials were recovered 942 00:47:10,164 --> 00:47:12,466 from off-world craft. 943 00:47:12,499 --> 00:47:15,637 Dr. Davis is quoted elsewhere as saying, 944 00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:18,673 "We have crash retrievals and they've been analyzed. 945 00:47:18,707 --> 00:47:22,644 "The program was terminated for lack of progress in reverse engineering." 946 00:47:23,578 --> 00:47:25,613 Because there is no way at that point 947 00:47:25,647 --> 00:47:28,315 that you can pretend there's something out there, 948 00:47:28,349 --> 00:47:30,918 but we don't know what they are. Which has been a little 949 00:47:30,951 --> 00:47:33,722 pretend game that everyone's been playing all this time. 950 00:47:33,755 --> 00:47:35,557 Elizondo plays that game 951 00:47:35,590 --> 00:47:36,725 'cause he has to. 952 00:47:36,758 --> 00:47:38,827 'Cause he knows how far he's allowed to go. 953 00:47:38,859 --> 00:47:41,629 I'm not a whistleblower, and as far as a leaker, 954 00:47:41,663 --> 00:47:44,131 I'll be damned if someone's going to call me a leaker, because a leaker's 955 00:47:44,164 --> 00:47:45,700 somebody who takes classified information 956 00:47:45,734 --> 00:47:48,369 and provides it in an unauthorized manner 957 00:47:48,402 --> 00:47:50,638 for the purpose of disclosure. 958 00:47:50,672 --> 00:47:53,006 I've never done that, and I never will do that. 959 00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,610 Do you think the U.S. Government has 960 00:47:55,643 --> 00:47:58,011 debris from a UFO in its possession? 961 00:47:58,045 --> 00:48:01,816 Unfortunately, Tucker, I really have to be careful of my NDA. 962 00:48:01,850 --> 00:48:04,418 I really can't go into a lot more detail than that. 963 00:48:04,451 --> 00:48:07,856 -Okay. -But simply put, yes. 964 00:48:10,324 --> 00:48:12,326 Chris Melon, former undersecretary 965 00:48:12,359 --> 00:48:16,997 of Defense for Intelligence, said in a Washington Post Op Ed, 966 00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:20,401 that the government had not been studying the UFO topic, 967 00:48:20,434 --> 00:48:23,638 and because of his position, he would know if it was. 968 00:48:23,671 --> 00:48:27,975 But when we pressed him on it, he made a stunning statement. 969 00:48:28,008 --> 00:48:33,313 There's a bona fide issue there, and I understand that... 970 00:48:33,347 --> 00:48:36,851 I was part of a process that was supposedly reviewing 971 00:48:36,885 --> 00:48:40,120 all of the Defense Department special access programs, 972 00:48:40,154 --> 00:48:44,559 and I'd also... People don't generally understand this taxonomy, 973 00:48:44,592 --> 00:48:48,228 but there is a world of programs within the Defense Department 974 00:48:48,262 --> 00:48:51,365 that is entirely separate and distinct from the Intelligence community, 975 00:48:51,398 --> 00:48:53,568 and is not shared with the Intelligence community. 976 00:48:53,601 --> 00:48:55,202 And to some extent, vice versa. 977 00:48:55,235 --> 00:48:58,372 In addition, there's a group of programs at the Department of Energy, 978 00:48:58,405 --> 00:49:00,809 and again, those are not generally shared. 979 00:49:00,842 --> 00:49:04,378 So, there's sort of three galaxies which intersect to some degree 980 00:49:04,411 --> 00:49:06,881 of very tightly held programs. 981 00:49:06,915 --> 00:49:12,953 I was very deep on two of the tree, had some access to the third. 982 00:49:12,986 --> 00:49:16,390 But as I've often said to people, "You don't know, what you don't know." 983 00:49:16,423 --> 00:49:22,229 And you know, there is a possibility that there is some very small... 984 00:49:22,262 --> 00:49:26,967 tightly held close hold group, for example, that has some crash debris or something, 985 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,202 and was working that... 986 00:49:28,235 --> 00:49:30,971 The rest of the department, and even we didn't know about 987 00:49:31,004 --> 00:49:33,775 at the Special Access Program Oversight Committee. 988 00:49:35,743 --> 00:49:39,213 So now there are reports of perhaps debris. 989 00:49:39,246 --> 00:49:42,349 Debris left over from UFOs. 990 00:49:42,382 --> 00:49:45,319 Even with thinly veiled admissions from those in the know, 991 00:49:45,352 --> 00:49:49,824 and evidence pointing to corporations having received materials to study, 992 00:49:49,858 --> 00:49:53,026 details about any of these physical materials 993 00:49:53,060 --> 00:49:54,896 have been unverifiable. 994 00:49:54,929 --> 00:49:56,931 Recently, that changed. 995 00:50:01,401 --> 00:50:05,740 UFO investigator Anthony Regalia finally received a reply 996 00:50:05,773 --> 00:50:09,644 to a Freedom of Information Act request that he filed back in 2017, 997 00:50:09,677 --> 00:50:15,650 pertaining to "Physical debris recovered by personnel of the Department of Defense 998 00:50:15,683 --> 00:50:19,019 "as residue, flotsam, shot-off material 999 00:50:19,052 --> 00:50:22,590 "or crashed UAP, or unidentified flying objects." 1000 00:50:22,624 --> 00:50:25,292 After two years of going back and forth, 1001 00:50:25,325 --> 00:50:27,361 and Ragalia's threat of lawsuits, 1002 00:50:27,394 --> 00:50:30,430 the DIA admitted that it had documents 1003 00:50:30,464 --> 00:50:33,902 responsive to the request on recovered debris, 1004 00:50:33,935 --> 00:50:38,405 and its analysis and a program under which it was administered. 1005 00:50:38,438 --> 00:50:43,545 Included in the FOIA release, are reports about a variety of advanced materials. 1006 00:50:43,578 --> 00:50:47,281 The reports speculated about how they may be created, 1007 00:50:47,314 --> 00:50:49,316 and what they may be capable of. 1008 00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:52,620 One is a well-known alloy, called Nitinol. 1009 00:50:52,654 --> 00:50:56,891 It's a shapeable, memory retaining titanium alloy. 1010 00:50:56,925 --> 00:51:01,996 Nitinol enjoys wide use today in a variety of applications. 1011 00:51:02,030 --> 00:51:05,567 But its capabilities bare similarity to the many accounts 1012 00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,202 about the so called Roswell memory metal. 1013 00:51:09,236 --> 00:51:10,872 Hey, is it from a crash? 1014 00:51:12,472 --> 00:51:13,508 How do you know about that? 1015 00:51:13,541 --> 00:51:14,742 We heard about it on the radio. 1016 00:51:14,776 --> 00:51:16,109 Everybody's talking about it. 1017 00:51:20,147 --> 00:51:21,081 Abracadabra. 1018 00:51:24,151 --> 00:51:26,320 How'd it do that? 1019 00:51:26,353 --> 00:51:30,157 The origins of Nitinol help make a case for stories 1020 00:51:30,190 --> 00:51:31,960 of extraterrestrial technology 1021 00:51:31,993 --> 00:51:35,095 being recovered and delivered to science and industry. 1022 00:51:35,128 --> 00:51:40,535 It was supposedly invented in a naval weapons research lab in 1959. 1023 00:51:40,568 --> 00:51:44,371 But its origins have been traced back even further, to a corporation 1024 00:51:44,404 --> 00:51:47,008 called Battelle Memorial Institute. 1025 00:51:47,041 --> 00:51:49,010 Since the late 1940s, 1026 00:51:49,043 --> 00:51:52,513 Battelle maintained a contract to analyze metal samples 1027 00:51:52,547 --> 00:51:55,750 provided by Wright Patterson Air Force Base. 1028 00:51:55,783 --> 00:52:00,521 Another is a class of materials called metallic glass. 1029 00:52:04,324 --> 00:52:06,628 Transparent aluminum? 1030 00:52:06,661 --> 00:52:09,262 That's the ticket, laddie. 1031 00:52:09,296 --> 00:52:12,634 The material described in the Star Trek film Voyage Home 1032 00:52:12,667 --> 00:52:16,504 in 1986 actually exists. 1033 00:52:16,537 --> 00:52:18,706 We find upon further research, 1034 00:52:18,740 --> 00:52:21,876 that the original patents for this type of metallic glass 1035 00:52:21,909 --> 00:52:24,846 was initially applied for in 1981 1036 00:52:24,879 --> 00:52:27,447 by the Raytheon Corporation. 1037 00:52:27,481 --> 00:52:30,450 These guys in the Lockheed and TRW, 1038 00:52:30,484 --> 00:52:32,954 and McDonnell Douglas or Boeing, 1039 00:52:33,788 --> 00:52:36,924 General Electric, Raytheon... 1040 00:52:38,358 --> 00:52:42,830 Look, there's no way they're going to voluntarily let this happen. 1041 00:52:45,332 --> 00:52:46,601 There's more. 1042 00:52:46,634 --> 00:52:49,771 We now enter the stunning world of meta materials. 1043 00:52:49,804 --> 00:52:54,341 In this recording, from an interview Lue Elizondo gave to the MUFON journal. 1044 00:52:54,374 --> 00:52:58,478 He discusses the finer points of the materials claims. 1045 00:52:58,513 --> 00:53:02,650 So, it was never about unidentified metal alloys. 1046 00:53:02,684 --> 00:53:04,786 Any second year metal artist will tell you 1047 00:53:04,819 --> 00:53:07,187 elements are elements, and we can figure it out. 1048 00:53:07,220 --> 00:53:11,425 What was actually discussed was certain meta materials 1049 00:53:11,458 --> 00:53:18,533 in which they're isotopic ratios at the molecular level are so unique, 1050 00:53:18,566 --> 00:53:22,770 and so precise, based on the complexity 1051 00:53:22,804 --> 00:53:26,974 that the origins of those materials remain unknown. 1052 00:53:27,008 --> 00:53:30,377 If we do encounter extraterrestrial materials, 1053 00:53:30,410 --> 00:53:33,915 they would have isotopic ratios that are not found on the earth 1054 00:53:33,948 --> 00:53:36,450 because of their exposure to cosmic rays, 1055 00:53:36,483 --> 00:53:40,188 different kinds of manufacturer they would differ from us. 1056 00:53:40,220 --> 00:53:46,194 And so that's one way to analyze the fact that these are, in fact extraterrestrial, 1057 00:53:46,226 --> 00:53:48,896 because they have different isotopic ratios. 1058 00:53:51,766 --> 00:53:55,103 There are more space age materials described in the reports 1059 00:53:55,136 --> 00:53:57,905 that the Defense Intelligence Agency acknowledges. 1060 00:53:57,939 --> 00:54:01,008 One type may be used to slow down light. 1061 00:54:01,042 --> 00:54:03,778 And even bring light to a complete standstill. 1062 00:54:03,811 --> 00:54:09,684 Another may induce invisibility by manipulating refraction, reflectivity, 1063 00:54:09,717 --> 00:54:11,886 and increasing light absorption. 1064 00:54:11,919 --> 00:54:15,255 Meta materials allow you to, in principle, 1065 00:54:15,288 --> 00:54:20,027 make objects invisible. In principle, allow you to stop light. 1066 00:54:20,061 --> 00:54:22,163 In principle, allow you to magnify things 1067 00:54:22,196 --> 00:54:25,166 beyond what we can do with present day technology. 1068 00:54:25,199 --> 00:54:27,969 We can do that in the microwave range. 1069 00:54:28,002 --> 00:54:31,572 We have not yet done it in the optical frequencies. 1070 00:54:31,606 --> 00:54:34,575 Another has the interesting ability to compress 1071 00:54:34,609 --> 00:54:36,511 electromagnetic energy. 1072 00:54:36,544 --> 00:54:38,880 Things that we would consider impossible 1073 00:54:38,913 --> 00:54:40,882 would become child's play 1074 00:54:40,915 --> 00:54:46,554 if you have a technology that is centuries more advanced than us. 1075 00:54:46,587 --> 00:54:50,258 Still another exhibits a particular tunable resonance, 1076 00:54:50,323 --> 00:54:53,326 which was likely determined during fabrication. 1077 00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,664 You see, if these objects come from a civilization 1078 00:54:56,697 --> 00:55:00,001 more advanced than ours, they have mastered the art 1079 00:55:00,034 --> 00:55:03,604 of manipulating individual atoms. 1080 00:55:03,638 --> 00:55:07,208 The reports on these materials have something in common. 1081 00:55:07,241 --> 00:55:10,278 They all talk about what the materials might do, 1082 00:55:10,310 --> 00:55:12,312 and their possible uses. 1083 00:55:12,345 --> 00:55:14,615 This seems to be an indirect confirmation 1084 00:55:14,649 --> 00:55:18,451 that we didn't create them, and we're not sure what they do. 1085 00:55:20,988 --> 00:55:24,859 And they have to be analyzed on several levels. 1086 00:55:24,892 --> 00:55:27,695 First, they have to be analyzed spectroscopically. 1087 00:55:27,728 --> 00:55:29,964 So we know what they're made of. 1088 00:55:29,997 --> 00:55:34,501 So let's say that there is... There are materials 1089 00:55:34,535 --> 00:55:37,138 that some other civilization has created 1090 00:55:37,171 --> 00:55:40,407 and that they have atomic grade printing 1091 00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,977 that we don't have today, 1092 00:55:43,010 --> 00:55:46,981 the only way to understand it is to de-assemble it atom by atom. 1093 00:55:47,014 --> 00:55:50,618 Dr. Gary Nolan is a scientist at Stanford University. 1094 00:55:50,651 --> 00:55:54,822 He publicly stated that a new technique for mass spectrometry, 1095 00:55:54,856 --> 00:55:57,258 that he developed attracted the attention 1096 00:55:57,291 --> 00:56:00,261 of those in possession of UFO materials. 1097 00:56:00,294 --> 00:56:03,064 Well, there is one technology 1098 00:56:03,097 --> 00:56:06,499 that's in my lab called Secondary Ion Mass Spec, 1099 00:56:06,534 --> 00:56:11,404 and we developed a company around it and the technology for using it 1100 00:56:11,438 --> 00:56:15,776 to read biopsy material from patients, right? 1101 00:56:15,810 --> 00:56:19,213 And we had a way of labeling the biopsies 1102 00:56:19,247 --> 00:56:25,586 with metal tags delivered via antibodies, and that would light up the tissue 1103 00:56:25,620 --> 00:56:29,857 in a way that would tell you something about the distribution of those proteins 1104 00:56:29,891 --> 00:56:32,526 in cancer cells and immune system cells. 1105 00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,263 That's a very successful technology that's worked very well. 1106 00:56:35,296 --> 00:56:39,634 It turns out that it was tuned to look at metals... 1107 00:56:39,667 --> 00:56:42,036 right, because we were using the metal tags 1108 00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:47,074 and so when in discussions with Jacques and others, 1109 00:56:47,108 --> 00:56:49,243 that they said they had these pieces of metal. 1110 00:56:49,277 --> 00:56:51,545 Well, I have an instrument that's perfectly tuned 1111 00:56:51,579 --> 00:56:53,480 to look at metals, so let's do it. 1112 00:56:53,514 --> 00:56:57,852 But what that stuff consisted of and why they think it's off-planet, 1113 00:56:57,885 --> 00:57:00,288 and, you know, what the testing showed about 1114 00:57:00,321 --> 00:57:04,992 the possibility that nothing like that could appear on Earth. 1115 00:57:05,026 --> 00:57:07,862 That's all stuff we were not able to get access to. 1116 00:57:07,895 --> 00:57:09,096 We don't know. 1117 00:57:09,130 --> 00:57:10,965 Upon release of the FOIA request, 1118 00:57:10,998 --> 00:57:15,603 there was evidence of internal commotion inside the DIA and the Pentagon. 1119 00:57:15,636 --> 00:57:17,138 You know, the powers that be... 1120 00:57:17,171 --> 00:57:18,572 I mean, there are such people. 1121 00:57:18,606 --> 00:57:20,207 I think they realized 1122 00:57:20,241 --> 00:57:22,009 "All right. You just went, you went actually, as far as you can go, 1123 00:57:22,043 --> 00:57:23,544 "and in fact, you went a little too far. 1124 00:57:23,577 --> 00:57:25,179 "We're going to dial it back." 1125 00:57:25,212 --> 00:57:27,949 Susan Gough, a Pentagon spokesperson, 1126 00:57:27,982 --> 00:57:29,650 said that although she was aware 1127 00:57:29,684 --> 00:57:33,955 of the social media chatter, the information provided by the DIA 1128 00:57:33,988 --> 00:57:37,725 actually relates in some way to an advanced weapons program 1129 00:57:37,758 --> 00:57:39,492 and not UFO items. 1130 00:57:39,527 --> 00:57:41,162 But if you start with different assumptions 1131 00:57:41,195 --> 00:57:43,064 about how something might operate, 1132 00:57:43,097 --> 00:57:46,734 you can come up with things that another 1133 00:57:46,767 --> 00:57:51,906 equally advanced civilization, America, let's say, or Western civilization, 1134 00:57:51,939 --> 00:57:53,841 doesn't understand how it works. 1135 00:57:53,874 --> 00:57:56,777 But that doesn't mean it came from E.T. 1136 00:57:56,811 --> 00:57:59,847 But I suspect that Freedom of Information Act 1137 00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:01,549 is talking about something a little different. 1138 00:58:04,652 --> 00:58:07,688 Some of the main players in the material story 1139 00:58:07,722 --> 00:58:12,526 were making new statements that changed previously reported facts. 1140 00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:13,361 Right. This is a counter... 1141 00:58:13,394 --> 00:58:15,329 This is The Empire Strikes Back. 1142 00:58:15,363 --> 00:58:18,933 This is what we're seeing. You're seeing the major establishment, 1143 00:58:18,966 --> 00:58:21,068 which was on the back foot for over three years 1144 00:58:21,102 --> 00:58:24,071 because of the offensive of the UFO faction. 1145 00:58:24,105 --> 00:58:26,941 They were on retreat. They've gathered their resources. 1146 00:58:26,974 --> 00:58:28,976 They're like, you know, "We don't really want... 1147 00:58:29,010 --> 00:58:31,512 "We can't go any farther than we've gone." 1148 00:58:31,545 --> 00:58:34,181 Harry Reid walked it back as far as with The New York Times 1149 00:58:34,215 --> 00:58:39,086 about Lockheed having artifacts and so, they get these phone calls. 1150 00:58:40,021 --> 00:58:41,789 I mean, why else... 1151 00:58:41,822 --> 00:58:44,825 You know, catch yourself after the fact and go, 1152 00:58:44,859 --> 00:58:45,726 "I should have never said that." 1153 00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:46,961 And there's a pattern here. 1154 00:58:46,994 --> 00:58:52,867 It always pertains to physical evidence. 1155 00:58:52,900 --> 00:58:54,602 And in our New York Times story, 1156 00:58:54,635 --> 00:58:57,438 we said that a hangar was built 1157 00:58:58,606 --> 00:59:03,677 to contain materials, okay. 1158 00:59:03,711 --> 00:59:08,082 We didn't say that materials were obtained and put in the hangar. 1159 00:59:08,115 --> 00:59:10,519 You did an interview with Jesse Michaels. 1160 00:59:10,551 --> 00:59:14,121 -In that interview, you laid out some of the materials. -Mmm-hmm. 1161 00:59:14,155 --> 00:59:16,490 Very excitingly, we have parts... 1162 00:59:16,525 --> 00:59:19,727 Okay, the parts were a little anti-climactic and small, 1163 00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,030 but he claims to have much bigger parts that we can't see 1164 00:59:23,064 --> 00:59:25,399 due to national security sensitivities. 1165 00:59:25,433 --> 00:59:28,402 But then when you did the interview with Lex, 1166 00:59:28,436 --> 00:59:32,173 you said that she had materials just from, like, Jacques Vilet 1167 00:59:32,206 --> 00:59:33,874 which obviously wouldn't be classified, 1168 00:59:33,908 --> 00:59:36,511 and from TTSA, which wouldn't be classified. 1169 00:59:36,545 --> 00:59:41,449 There's two classes of materials that I've been given by people, 1170 00:59:41,482 --> 00:59:43,884 and they're not given by, like, the government or anything. 1171 00:59:43,918 --> 00:59:46,020 So have you studied classified materials, 1172 00:59:46,053 --> 00:59:47,188 but you just don't have them? 1173 00:59:47,221 --> 00:59:48,789 I just shouldn't say anything more. 1174 00:59:48,823 --> 00:59:49,990 You shouldn't say anything about that. 1175 00:59:50,024 --> 00:59:51,459 Okay, all right. 1176 00:59:51,492 --> 00:59:53,194 You can put that on there. I just can't say anything more. 1177 00:59:53,227 --> 00:59:54,462 Right. No, that's fine. 1178 00:59:54,495 --> 00:59:57,264 It might have been an accidental truth moment. 1179 01:00:01,735 --> 01:00:06,707 FOIA responses are based on reacting to very specific wording. 1180 01:00:06,740 --> 01:00:10,411 The FOIA response from the DIA specifically refers 1181 01:00:10,444 --> 01:00:14,882 to recovered materials from UFOs being studied at Bigelow Aerospace. 1182 01:00:14,915 --> 01:00:20,087 This is official confirmation that these studies indeed occurred. 1183 01:00:20,121 --> 01:00:21,922 Bigelow Aerospace is massive. 1184 01:00:21,956 --> 01:00:25,059 It's surrounded on most sides by these gigantic vacant lots. 1185 01:00:25,092 --> 01:00:29,163 It's surrounded by multiple layers of fencing, including barbed wire, 1186 01:00:29,196 --> 01:00:33,100 video surveillance, 24-hour security guards everywhere. 1187 01:00:33,134 --> 01:00:35,269 This place is a fortress. 1188 01:00:35,302 --> 01:00:40,542 Multiple reports also seemed to confirm the presence of materials at the facility. 1189 01:00:40,575 --> 01:00:44,211 But after the release of the documents, the story changed. 1190 01:00:44,245 --> 01:00:48,349 For years, one of the secret studies was carried out by BAASS, 1191 01:00:48,382 --> 01:00:51,919 a Las Vegas operation hidden within Bigelow Aerospace. 1192 01:00:51,952 --> 01:00:55,189 Documents first reported by the I-Team show that BAASS 1193 01:00:55,222 --> 01:00:58,959 landed a contract with the DIA, and one of the objectives 1194 01:00:58,993 --> 01:01:01,596 was to study so called meta materials. 1195 01:01:01,630 --> 01:01:03,898 Multiple sources have confirmed to us 1196 01:01:03,931 --> 01:01:07,401 there was a weird piece of something at the Bigelow plant. 1197 01:01:07,434 --> 01:01:11,772 New York Times reported that you modified your facility here 1198 01:01:11,805 --> 01:01:15,142 in order to house some material from somewhere else. 1199 01:01:15,709 --> 01:01:16,645 Did you ever have it? 1200 01:01:18,078 --> 01:01:20,080 -Never had any. -Did you ever see it? 1201 01:01:20,681 --> 01:01:22,917 Um... 1202 01:01:22,950 --> 01:01:26,987 But... I... you know, do you see... 1203 01:01:27,021 --> 01:01:28,155 Do you see... 1204 01:01:30,858 --> 01:01:36,030 It's the old Raiders of the Lost Ark warehouse scene. 1205 01:01:36,063 --> 01:01:37,698 "We've got our top people working on it." 1206 01:01:37,731 --> 01:01:39,700 "Who are your top people?" "Oh, they're top." 1207 01:01:39,733 --> 01:01:43,837 In March 2022, the Defense Intelligence Agency 1208 01:01:43,871 --> 01:01:47,308 responded to another FOIA request that demanded information 1209 01:01:47,341 --> 01:01:50,411 about the work of AATIP and its previous versions. 1210 01:01:50,444 --> 01:01:55,416 The result was 1500 pages that included 38 independent papers 1211 01:01:55,449 --> 01:01:57,985 about potential advanced technology. 1212 01:01:58,018 --> 01:02:02,156 The authors of some of these reports, are many of the same people 1213 01:02:02,189 --> 01:02:05,025 that have been involved in secret UFO programs 1214 01:02:05,059 --> 01:02:07,328 all the way back to the late 1960s. 1215 01:02:07,361 --> 01:02:12,667 These reports came in the form of defense intelligence reference documents. 1216 01:02:12,701 --> 01:02:15,436 Some of the technologies that were explored 1217 01:02:15,469 --> 01:02:18,439 include advanced nuclear propulsion, 1218 01:02:18,472 --> 01:02:21,509 for manned deep space missions. 1219 01:02:21,543 --> 01:02:24,278 Aneutronic Fusion Propulsion, 1220 01:02:24,311 --> 01:02:28,182 Pulsed High-Power Microwave Technology, 1221 01:02:28,215 --> 01:02:31,686 Antigravity for Aerospace Applications. 1222 01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:35,222 I think when talking about extraterrestrial civilizations, 1223 01:02:35,256 --> 01:02:37,958 we have to be open to the fact that their technology 1224 01:02:37,992 --> 01:02:42,229 is thousands of years more advanced than our technology. 1225 01:02:42,263 --> 01:02:45,533 But then the question is, is it possible that we, 1226 01:02:45,567 --> 01:02:51,038 that we humans can also partake of some of these advanced technologies? 1227 01:02:51,071 --> 01:02:54,942 Space-Communication Implications of Quantum Entanglement 1228 01:02:54,975 --> 01:03:01,015 and Nonlocality, High-Frequency Gravitational Wave Communications. 1229 01:03:01,048 --> 01:03:03,851 I take two objects, 1230 01:03:03,884 --> 01:03:07,321 two particles that are quantumly entangled, 1231 01:03:07,354 --> 01:03:10,759 and if I do something to this one, this one responds. 1232 01:03:10,791 --> 01:03:14,261 And if you separate those two by a foot... 1233 01:03:14,295 --> 01:03:16,531 when I do something here, something happens here. 1234 01:03:16,564 --> 01:03:17,965 But something even more magical happens 1235 01:03:17,998 --> 01:03:20,934 that when I take these objects, and I put them one here 1236 01:03:20,968 --> 01:03:23,672 and one at the farthest end of the visible universe, 1237 01:03:23,705 --> 01:03:26,840 that direction, 13.5 billion light years, 1238 01:03:26,874 --> 01:03:28,075 and I take the other particle, 1239 01:03:28,108 --> 01:03:32,614 I put it in that direction, 13.5 billion light years away, 1240 01:03:32,647 --> 01:03:34,415 when I do this, 1241 01:03:34,448 --> 01:03:37,885 this one responds instantaneously. 1242 01:03:37,918 --> 01:03:42,557 - Traversable Wormholes, - Stargates and Negative Energy. 1243 01:03:42,590 --> 01:03:46,026 Special relativity says you cannot break the light barrier. 1244 01:03:46,060 --> 01:03:49,531 But special relativity has a loophole. 1245 01:03:49,564 --> 01:03:52,066 The loophole is general relativity, 1246 01:03:52,099 --> 01:03:53,668 the theory of gravity, 1247 01:03:53,702 --> 01:03:57,338 whereby you can bend time and space into a pretzel 1248 01:03:57,371 --> 01:04:00,174 if you have enough matter and energy. 1249 01:04:00,207 --> 01:04:06,080 An energy which we won't have, perhaps for another 100,000 to one million years. 1250 01:04:06,113 --> 01:04:08,349 So it's not for us. 1251 01:04:08,382 --> 01:04:11,251 Perhaps for an extraterrestrial civilization, 1252 01:04:11,285 --> 01:04:13,287 but it's not for us. 1253 01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,523 Warp Drive, Dark Energy 1254 01:04:15,557 --> 01:04:18,292 and the manipulation of extra dimensions. 1255 01:04:18,325 --> 01:04:23,732 We have to be open to the possibility that there are other dimensions, 1256 01:04:23,765 --> 01:04:25,199 and shortcuts. 1257 01:04:25,232 --> 01:04:29,036 Perhaps shortcuts between different universes. 1258 01:04:29,069 --> 01:04:30,371 Now, of course, moving through 1259 01:04:30,404 --> 01:04:33,240 these higher dimensions, would require a technology 1260 01:04:33,273 --> 01:04:36,143 much more advanced than anything we have. 1261 01:04:36,176 --> 01:04:40,414 Concepts for extracting energy from the quantum vacuum. 1262 01:04:40,447 --> 01:04:42,751 You would have to be a very advanced civilization 1263 01:04:42,784 --> 01:04:46,554 to get net usable energy from nothing. 1264 01:04:46,588 --> 01:04:48,790 In other words, it's not for us. 1265 01:04:48,823 --> 01:04:52,694 That doesn't mean an advanced civilization can't do it. 1266 01:04:52,727 --> 01:04:56,096 Quantum computing, and utilizing organic molecules 1267 01:04:56,130 --> 01:04:58,633 in automation technology. 1268 01:04:58,666 --> 01:05:02,302 Technological approaches to controlling external devices, 1269 01:05:02,336 --> 01:05:04,938 in the absence of limb operated interfaces. 1270 01:05:04,972 --> 01:05:09,476 Our most advanced understanding of the brain comes from BCI, 1271 01:05:09,511 --> 01:05:12,212 Brain Computer Interface. 1272 01:05:12,246 --> 01:05:15,949 We can take a chip, put it on the surface of the brain, 1273 01:05:15,983 --> 01:05:19,019 have that chip connected to a laptop computer 1274 01:05:19,052 --> 01:05:23,625 that then analyzes the impulses of the brain and deciphers it, 1275 01:05:23,658 --> 01:05:26,694 and then uses it to control something. 1276 01:05:26,728 --> 01:05:29,731 And so you can imagine what we can do today 1277 01:05:29,764 --> 01:05:33,066 and then extrapolate to the future. 1278 01:05:33,100 --> 01:05:36,704 Aerospace applications of programmable matter. 1279 01:05:36,738 --> 01:05:40,575 If you could design something, atom by atom, 1280 01:05:40,608 --> 01:05:44,011 and position things atom by atom, 1281 01:05:44,044 --> 01:05:47,582 then there's a lot more we could do with material science 1282 01:05:47,615 --> 01:05:49,450 than we can do today. 1283 01:05:49,483 --> 01:05:54,656 Ultra capacitors as energy and power storage devices. 1284 01:05:54,689 --> 01:05:57,759 Role of superconductors in gravity research. 1285 01:05:57,792 --> 01:06:04,231 Most of what we create today, in even the superconductor areas 1286 01:06:04,264 --> 01:06:07,034 is basically recipes. 1287 01:06:07,067 --> 01:06:08,770 They are not designs. 1288 01:06:08,803 --> 01:06:12,907 Many of these technologies are beyond the realm of current science. 1289 01:06:12,941 --> 01:06:15,142 These technologies are discussed 1290 01:06:15,175 --> 01:06:19,046 as if someone knows that they are entirely possible, 1291 01:06:19,079 --> 01:06:22,249 even in some stage of successful development. 1292 01:06:22,282 --> 01:06:25,854 I will tell you unequivocally if a man like Robert Bigelow 1293 01:06:25,887 --> 01:06:29,591 were to ask you, to come on board and to do something, 1294 01:06:29,624 --> 01:06:35,395 man, I would do it in the blink of an eye. 1295 01:06:35,429 --> 01:06:37,397 It would be almost reflexive. 1296 01:06:37,431 --> 01:06:39,199 When do we start? Let's go. 1297 01:06:39,233 --> 01:06:41,468 He's a good man, and he's also a patriot. 1298 01:06:41,502 --> 01:06:43,771 Machinery really does exist. 1299 01:06:45,038 --> 01:06:46,975 Does exist. 1300 01:06:47,007 --> 01:06:53,113 That the problem has been the inability to back engineer 1301 01:06:53,146 --> 01:06:57,919 and I kind of think that some... 1302 01:06:57,952 --> 01:07:01,455 Some things require a weightless environment. 1303 01:07:10,732 --> 01:07:12,432 It is generally accepted 1304 01:07:12,466 --> 01:07:15,502 that the New Narrative broke in late 2017. 1305 01:07:15,537 --> 01:07:19,774 It was actually Robert Bigelow, who made spellbinding revelations 1306 01:07:19,807 --> 01:07:24,044 before anybody knew that he was involved in government contracts 1307 01:07:24,077 --> 01:07:25,613 to study UFOs. 1308 01:07:29,316 --> 01:07:30,852 Do you believe in aliens? 1309 01:07:30,885 --> 01:07:33,721 I am absolutely convinced. That's all there is to it. 1310 01:07:33,755 --> 01:07:36,724 Do you also believe that UFOs have come to Earth? 1311 01:07:36,758 --> 01:07:40,327 There has been, and is an existing presence an E.T. presence. 1312 01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:42,530 You have the interview that Robert Bigelow did on 60 Minutes. 1313 01:07:42,564 --> 01:07:45,399 Really, an amazing interview. 1314 01:07:45,432 --> 01:07:49,904 This is one of the most knowledgeable people on this planet, 1315 01:07:49,938 --> 01:07:52,205 in my view, on the subject of UFOs, 1316 01:07:52,239 --> 01:07:55,409 He's also a billionaire, and he's also got a lot of influence in this world. 1317 01:07:55,442 --> 01:07:58,046 And here he is saying, aliens are real 1318 01:07:58,078 --> 01:08:00,414 and indeed they are actually walking among us. 1319 01:08:00,447 --> 01:08:03,017 His unshakable statement regarding the reality 1320 01:08:03,051 --> 01:08:05,419 of an extraterrestrial presence, 1321 01:08:05,452 --> 01:08:07,989 drew some media reaction. 1322 01:08:08,022 --> 01:08:10,525 Its significance did not become clear 1323 01:08:10,558 --> 01:08:13,093 until the story of Bigelow Aerospace 1324 01:08:13,126 --> 01:08:16,631 and its role in AATIP began to unfold. 1325 01:08:16,664 --> 01:08:21,435 The New York Times came out with a couple of articles essentially downplaying any E.T. 1326 01:08:21,468 --> 01:08:23,103 component of these sightings, 1327 01:08:23,136 --> 01:08:27,075 but also playing down the fact that they may be Russian or Chinese 1328 01:08:27,107 --> 01:08:34,749 and also playing down the fact that these are advanced U.S. classified prototypes. 1329 01:08:34,782 --> 01:08:36,383 If they're going to play all of those things down, 1330 01:08:36,416 --> 01:08:41,321 then I would ask, what gets played up? Because there is nothing left. 1331 01:08:41,355 --> 01:08:44,157 Confronted with the challenge of weaving Robert Bigelow's 1332 01:08:44,191 --> 01:08:45,693 informed beliefs 1333 01:08:45,727 --> 01:08:48,096 into the story Chris Mellon had revealed, 1334 01:08:48,128 --> 01:08:51,264 -Mellon said this, -There aren't many people 1335 01:08:51,298 --> 01:08:55,737 associated with the establishment who are so bold 1336 01:08:55,770 --> 01:08:59,974 and willing to make statements like that. 1337 01:09:00,008 --> 01:09:05,079 Many of the Navy pilots themselves who've engaged these crafts 1338 01:09:05,113 --> 01:09:09,249 go there because they can't conceive of any other explanation, frankly. 1339 01:09:09,282 --> 01:09:12,854 When Lue Elizondo was asked about Bigelow statements, 1340 01:09:12,887 --> 01:09:15,990 his response corroborated Bigelow's position. 1341 01:09:16,024 --> 01:09:18,993 He has his own space stations in space. 1342 01:09:19,027 --> 01:09:20,227 People say "What do you mean?" 1343 01:09:20,260 --> 01:09:24,264 Yeah, he has his own, right now, in space. 1344 01:09:24,297 --> 01:09:27,334 I mean, I don't know who else has done that, and by the way, 1345 01:09:27,367 --> 01:09:31,773 he's done it for a long time, so give the guy some credit. 1346 01:09:31,806 --> 01:09:33,608 He knows what he's talking about. 1347 01:09:35,810 --> 01:09:39,814 They have stated flatly "They're not one of ours." 1348 01:09:39,847 --> 01:09:42,917 Then the question is, whose are they? 1349 01:09:42,950 --> 01:09:45,352 All of the people involved in the current narrative 1350 01:09:45,385 --> 01:09:47,121 are deliberately stopping short 1351 01:09:47,155 --> 01:09:52,259 of identifying the phenomenon as originating from extraterrestrials. 1352 01:09:52,292 --> 01:09:56,664 We have all these tales going back centuries, millennia, 1353 01:09:56,698 --> 01:09:59,934 about visitations and strange beings. 1354 01:09:59,967 --> 01:10:04,404 Maybe it's a record of visits from alien civilizations. 1355 01:10:04,438 --> 01:10:08,810 You can't rule out the fact that, yeah, maybe we have been visited in the past. 1356 01:10:08,843 --> 01:10:10,178 You can't rule it out. 1357 01:10:10,210 --> 01:10:14,048 So you say one by one, they're not natural phenomena. 1358 01:10:15,449 --> 01:10:16,851 They're not weather balloons. 1359 01:10:16,884 --> 01:10:18,119 They're not U.S. technology. 1360 01:10:18,152 --> 01:10:19,987 They're not Russian. They're not Chinese. 1361 01:10:20,922 --> 01:10:22,489 They're not optical illusions. 1362 01:10:22,523 --> 01:10:26,094 They're not mental illness on the part of the people who report them. 1363 01:10:26,127 --> 01:10:28,796 Because these are our most highly trained experts 1364 01:10:28,830 --> 01:10:30,832 who are reporting these things, and they've been caught on, 1365 01:10:30,865 --> 01:10:35,703 as I said, Navy instrumentation. So what are you left with? 1366 01:10:35,737 --> 01:10:37,270 Well, no one is going there. 1367 01:10:37,304 --> 01:10:40,307 Our view is, let's follow the trail wherever it leads. 1368 01:10:40,340 --> 01:10:41,241 Let's get the data, 1369 01:10:41,274 --> 01:10:43,276 the best evidence possible. 1370 01:10:43,310 --> 01:10:46,981 There's probably more than one phenomenon at work here. 1371 01:10:47,014 --> 01:10:49,684 They refused to say the "A" word. 1372 01:10:50,383 --> 01:10:53,054 Alien. Why? 1373 01:10:53,087 --> 01:10:56,758 You know, assuming that these things are all of alien origin... 1374 01:10:58,826 --> 01:11:01,863 for a variety reasons, in part because people shut down 1375 01:11:01,896 --> 01:11:07,101 and it impedes our progress and some of the allies 1376 01:11:07,135 --> 01:11:09,604 and people that we need to bring to bear, 1377 01:11:09,637 --> 01:11:12,472 who are sort of now getting on board, 1378 01:11:12,507 --> 01:11:16,944 wouldn't do so if we started with the premise that these are aliens. 1379 01:11:16,978 --> 01:11:19,647 I think the word alien is a little... 1380 01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:22,282 People are afraid of the word alien. 1381 01:11:22,315 --> 01:11:25,686 You know, E.T, extraterrestrial, non-humans. 1382 01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:28,689 I've always concerned about 1383 01:11:28,723 --> 01:11:33,928 getting ahead of our headlights, frankly, 1384 01:11:33,961 --> 01:11:36,296 and leaping to conclusions. 1385 01:11:36,329 --> 01:11:39,200 For me, it's more of the thrill of the hunt. 1386 01:11:39,233 --> 01:11:42,270 It's trying to figure out the unknowns 1387 01:11:42,302 --> 01:11:46,774 because once they are known, they are no longer a mystery. 1388 01:11:46,808 --> 01:11:48,943 What it is, no one's admitted yet. 1389 01:11:48,976 --> 01:11:51,212 And you've got plenty of video evidence 1390 01:11:51,245 --> 01:11:56,349 of Lue and Chris not admitting it because they can't say it. 1391 01:11:56,383 --> 01:11:58,920 But they've said it in as many ways as you can. 1392 01:11:58,953 --> 01:12:02,156 Just anybody bright enough to listen, 1393 01:12:02,190 --> 01:12:05,092 will, as you say, understand the accidental truth. 1394 01:12:13,201 --> 01:12:19,472 During the interview in 2018, Lue Elizondo gave us an accidental truth. 1395 01:12:19,507 --> 01:12:22,710 So, you've spoken about some of the technologies 1396 01:12:22,743 --> 01:12:25,313 that are being studied as a spin off the research 1397 01:12:25,345 --> 01:12:26,948 you did at AATIP. 1398 01:12:26,981 --> 01:12:32,086 Things like bending space-time, and Einstein type possibilities that may unfold. 1399 01:12:32,119 --> 01:12:34,989 Is there an interdimensional element to any of this 1400 01:12:35,022 --> 01:12:37,825 that you guys maybe explored? 1401 01:12:38,826 --> 01:12:40,628 Other dimensions may absolutely exist. 1402 01:12:40,661 --> 01:12:42,997 You look at String Theory, look at M Theory, 1403 01:12:43,030 --> 01:12:45,533 dimensions are all around us. 1404 01:12:45,566 --> 01:12:50,771 So I think you have to cast a wide net when you're looking at this. 1405 01:12:50,805 --> 01:12:53,241 And that's why I've said before, whether they're from outer space, 1406 01:12:53,274 --> 01:12:54,909 inner space or the space in between, 1407 01:12:54,942 --> 01:12:58,179 we just don't know, and we need to collect more data. 1408 01:12:58,212 --> 01:13:00,882 Is it possible? Absolutely, it's possible. 1409 01:13:00,915 --> 01:13:03,684 Is it possible that they're from the Pleiades? Sure. 1410 01:13:03,718 --> 01:13:04,986 Is it possible that they're from... 1411 01:13:05,019 --> 01:13:06,988 They've been here all along and they're from here, 1412 01:13:07,021 --> 01:13:10,423 they're just resonating at a different vibration? 1413 01:13:10,457 --> 01:13:12,226 Sure. 1414 01:13:12,260 --> 01:13:15,529 It seems like the only question that is answered 1415 01:13:15,563 --> 01:13:17,265 in the ones you just posed, 1416 01:13:17,298 --> 01:13:21,269 is that whether or not, there is an actual "They." 1417 01:13:21,802 --> 01:13:23,871 That's a great question. 1418 01:13:23,905 --> 01:13:25,438 I don't know if I can answer that. 1419 01:13:27,875 --> 01:13:31,312 A few seem willing to officially pronounce the phenomenon 1420 01:13:31,345 --> 01:13:34,248 as originating from extraterrestrials. 1421 01:13:34,282 --> 01:13:36,317 There is a willingness to concede 1422 01:13:36,350 --> 01:13:39,419 that there might be extraterrestrial involvement. 1423 01:13:39,452 --> 01:13:41,421 You know, what's here is probably just an A.I. 1424 01:13:41,454 --> 01:13:45,993 I mean, why spend all your time on one little planet 1425 01:13:46,027 --> 01:13:48,663 out in a dust speck at the edge of the galaxy? 1426 01:13:48,696 --> 01:13:50,497 You send your robots. 1427 01:13:50,531 --> 01:13:54,101 The question is, what's our definition of life? 1428 01:13:54,135 --> 01:13:57,738 I think life may exist, may exist, 1429 01:13:57,772 --> 01:14:02,076 and I'll caveat that, in all sorts of forms. 1430 01:14:02,109 --> 01:14:03,844 I don't think it's necessarily going to be 1431 01:14:03,878 --> 01:14:08,916 something that we might recognize or even initially even classify as life. 1432 01:14:08,950 --> 01:14:11,218 Because we don't have a full understanding of it. 1433 01:14:11,252 --> 01:14:13,187 There is a growing consensus 1434 01:14:13,220 --> 01:14:15,756 that the extraterrestrial hypothesis 1435 01:14:15,790 --> 01:14:17,858 doesn't answer all of the questions. 1436 01:14:17,892 --> 01:14:22,363 There are multiple phenomena at work, that cannot be explained completely 1437 01:14:22,396 --> 01:14:24,565 without looking at other possibilities. 1438 01:14:24,598 --> 01:14:27,635 Maybe there's a whole range of different phenomena at play here. 1439 01:14:27,668 --> 01:14:33,708 In fact, I think, given the differences in what's been reported by people, 1440 01:14:33,741 --> 01:14:38,913 that's quite likely that there are many different parallel strands to this. 1441 01:14:38,946 --> 01:14:42,516 But whatever is involved, and as I say, I don't know, 1442 01:14:42,550 --> 01:14:48,723 I think it does raise important defense, national security and air safety issues. 1443 01:14:48,756 --> 01:14:53,728 The E.T. hypothesis, for instance, is a logical starting point. 1444 01:14:53,761 --> 01:14:55,529 If not from here, from where? 1445 01:14:55,563 --> 01:14:59,499 Until you start talking about, well, what do you mean, where? 1446 01:14:59,533 --> 01:15:05,306 We think that an object is solid and can only be one place at the same time. 1447 01:15:05,339 --> 01:15:09,810 But in quantum mechanics, electrons can be two places at the same time. 1448 01:15:09,844 --> 01:15:11,479 In fact, they can be many places, 1449 01:15:11,512 --> 01:15:14,515 and this is called the multiverse idea. 1450 01:15:14,548 --> 01:15:19,020 The idea that we exist with other universes simultaneously. 1451 01:15:19,553 --> 01:15:20,588 Well, wait a minute. 1452 01:15:20,621 --> 01:15:24,091 We're talking about multi-dimensional realities. 1453 01:15:24,125 --> 01:15:26,027 But doesn't really matter how far you go 1454 01:15:26,060 --> 01:15:28,362 in a three-dimensional space and distance, 1455 01:15:28,396 --> 01:15:32,099 that there are shortcuts, and those shortcuts exist 1456 01:15:33,300 --> 01:15:35,202 as part of the natural universe. 1457 01:15:35,236 --> 01:15:37,538 So that is a real world example where we know 1458 01:15:38,806 --> 01:15:40,608 other dimensions may absolutely exist. 1459 01:15:40,641 --> 01:15:46,881 Whether it's extraterrestrial or interdimensional, to me, is irrelevant 1460 01:15:46,914 --> 01:15:49,550 because whatever it is, clearly has 1461 01:15:49,583 --> 01:15:53,154 the ability to manipulate dimensionality. 1462 01:15:53,187 --> 01:15:58,459 These things can jump in and out, appear, disappear. 1463 01:15:58,492 --> 01:16:02,196 And so, for all intents and purposes, it's both. 1464 01:16:02,229 --> 01:16:07,668 In August of 2022, Dr. Hal Puthoff released a paper in which he explored 1465 01:16:07,701 --> 01:16:10,404 other options for what may be at work. 1466 01:16:10,438 --> 01:16:14,543 He presented concepts such as ultra-terrestrial beings. 1467 01:16:14,575 --> 01:16:18,813 The concept that there could be another intelligent race living with us 1468 01:16:18,846 --> 01:16:21,115 inside the Earth or under water. 1469 01:16:21,148 --> 01:16:23,984 A civilization with advanced technology, 1470 01:16:24,018 --> 01:16:26,854 that has been here, long before us. 1471 01:16:26,887 --> 01:16:28,656 Time travelers. 1472 01:16:28,689 --> 01:16:32,693 While mainstream science debates the feasibility of time travel, 1473 01:16:32,726 --> 01:16:35,129 it still remains a possibility. 1474 01:16:35,162 --> 01:16:38,833 Some people say that the aliens don't come from Mars, 1475 01:16:38,866 --> 01:16:40,868 they don't come from a distant star. 1476 01:16:40,901 --> 01:16:43,337 They come from a different time. 1477 01:16:43,370 --> 01:16:45,773 Well, I'm open to all sorts of ideas, 1478 01:16:45,806 --> 01:16:47,741 as long as they are testable. 1479 01:16:47,775 --> 01:16:53,280 Our notion of time and space is flawed, seriously. 1480 01:16:53,314 --> 01:16:56,183 And you're entering issues where 1481 01:16:56,217 --> 01:16:58,853 there is no time and there is no space. 1482 01:16:58,886 --> 01:17:01,255 You've got man-made craft. 1483 01:17:01,288 --> 01:17:04,325 You've got possible extraterrestrial. 1484 01:17:04,358 --> 01:17:06,026 You've got interdimensional. 1485 01:17:06,060 --> 01:17:07,529 You've got... 1486 01:17:07,562 --> 01:17:10,331 Hmm. A pre-existing high tech civilization 1487 01:17:10,364 --> 01:17:12,299 that could have been on this planet for thousands of years. 1488 01:17:12,333 --> 01:17:13,934 And when you wrap this all together, 1489 01:17:13,968 --> 01:17:17,404 you can see how confusing it is because a lot of these things merge. 1490 01:17:19,340 --> 01:17:22,143 Some of the phenomena seemed to point 1491 01:17:22,176 --> 01:17:25,547 to a direct interaction, with consciousness. 1492 01:17:25,580 --> 01:17:30,885 Well, the consciousness is interacting in all aspects of it. 1493 01:17:30,918 --> 01:17:32,653 And to take it a step farther, 1494 01:17:32,686 --> 01:17:36,090 going to Max Planck, suggests that maybe 1495 01:17:36,123 --> 01:17:40,861 the physical evolved from consciousness, 1496 01:17:40,895 --> 01:17:42,796 as opposed to the other way around. 1497 01:17:49,937 --> 01:17:52,541 As part of developing new understandings, 1498 01:17:52,574 --> 01:17:56,443 it's hard to ignore the so-called experience or phenomenon. 1499 01:17:56,477 --> 01:17:59,146 A significant percentage of the population 1500 01:17:59,180 --> 01:18:02,517 report having encounters with non-human beings. 1501 01:18:02,551 --> 01:18:06,521 These encounters range from enlightening to terrifying, 1502 01:18:06,555 --> 01:18:12,159 Many, many, many people have had some very strange experiences. 1503 01:18:12,193 --> 01:18:17,064 Either seeing UFOs, and not just at night while they were dreaming. 1504 01:18:17,097 --> 01:18:19,668 These are not nightmares. 1505 01:18:19,700 --> 01:18:24,371 These are often described as more real than everyday reality. 1506 01:18:24,405 --> 01:18:27,408 The people who describe it, these people are solid. 1507 01:18:27,441 --> 01:18:29,376 They come from all walks of life. 1508 01:18:29,410 --> 01:18:32,947 Ralph Blumenthal wrote a book about the late Harvard psychologist John Mack, 1509 01:18:32,980 --> 01:18:34,848 called The Believer. 1510 01:18:34,882 --> 01:18:37,351 Mack was one of the first members of academia 1511 01:18:37,384 --> 01:18:40,754 to acknowledge the validity of the experience or phenomenon. 1512 01:18:40,788 --> 01:18:44,358 John Mack investigated these stories of people who said that this and this 1513 01:18:44,391 --> 01:18:48,229 happened to them, and at least Mack, as a psychiatrist, 1514 01:18:48,262 --> 01:18:52,199 was able to evaluate their stories to the... 1515 01:18:52,233 --> 01:18:56,804 Couldn't prove that this happened or didn't happen, but at least could say that 1516 01:18:56,837 --> 01:19:00,941 these people were solid people and were not mentally ill. 1517 01:19:02,510 --> 01:19:06,146 We interface with whatever this is. 1518 01:19:06,180 --> 01:19:08,449 Contactees, abductees. 1519 01:19:08,482 --> 01:19:12,219 I think we can create some of the phenomenon itself. 1520 01:19:12,253 --> 01:19:16,423 So I do believe that there are certain individuals on this planet 1521 01:19:16,457 --> 01:19:20,427 who are more in tune, are more intuitive, 1522 01:19:20,461 --> 01:19:23,732 are more in touch with the unseen world 1523 01:19:23,764 --> 01:19:25,266 than the seen world. 1524 01:19:25,299 --> 01:19:28,335 Some of us are able to pierce the veil 1525 01:19:28,369 --> 01:19:31,272 and connect with whatever is going on out there. 1526 01:19:33,575 --> 01:19:36,277 Stunning new research by Dr Gary Nolan, 1527 01:19:36,310 --> 01:19:38,946 has revealed a trait in the human brain 1528 01:19:38,979 --> 01:19:41,982 that may make some people more prone to abilities, 1529 01:19:42,016 --> 01:19:45,553 such as heightened intuition, psychic abilities, 1530 01:19:45,587 --> 01:19:50,157 and possibly an ability to communicate in undeveloped manners, 1531 01:19:50,190 --> 01:19:51,458 such as telepathy. 1532 01:19:51,492 --> 01:19:55,630 We had MRIs of claimed remote viewers, 1533 01:19:56,230 --> 01:19:58,633 high-end remote viewers, 1534 01:19:58,667 --> 01:20:03,370 and this area of their brain lit up like a Christmas tree. 1535 01:20:03,404 --> 01:20:07,441 The condition has been observed in so-called "Experiencers." 1536 01:20:07,474 --> 01:20:10,844 Nolan has detected increased activity and development 1537 01:20:10,878 --> 01:20:13,814 in a region of the brain called the basal ganglia. 1538 01:20:13,847 --> 01:20:16,183 The thing that got me really intrigued 1539 01:20:16,216 --> 01:20:20,921 was that we did have MRIs from experiencers, 1540 01:20:20,954 --> 01:20:24,925 but these were high functioning individuals that we happened to notice 1541 01:20:24,958 --> 01:20:29,963 that an area of their brain, had a density in it 1542 01:20:29,997 --> 01:20:33,000 that we first thought was damaged because we were studying damage at the moment. 1543 01:20:33,033 --> 01:20:37,071 But then we realized, this is not damaged. This is living tissue. 1544 01:20:37,104 --> 01:20:39,808 And that became sort of a side discovery. 1545 01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:43,243 You're left then with, frankly, what was 1546 01:20:43,277 --> 01:20:45,979 an even less uniform group of individuals 1547 01:20:46,013 --> 01:20:51,885 with such varied interactions. Things that we're talking to them, 1548 01:20:51,919 --> 01:20:55,557 things that they had gotten close to and had been damaged and harmed. 1549 01:20:55,590 --> 01:20:58,492 And there were a couple of people in that group who were harmed. 1550 01:20:58,526 --> 01:21:00,928 But of the remaining individuals, 1551 01:21:00,961 --> 01:21:04,198 I would say that the majority of them were not harmed. 1552 01:21:04,231 --> 01:21:09,571 This area of the brain, that we came to the conclusion at the time 1553 01:21:09,604 --> 01:21:11,405 was probably involved in intuition, 1554 01:21:11,438 --> 01:21:13,775 when we actually looked into it, 1555 01:21:13,808 --> 01:21:15,677 and then looked into the literature, 1556 01:21:15,710 --> 01:21:17,311 believe it or not, people were finding that 1557 01:21:17,344 --> 01:21:19,046 it had something to do with intuition. 1558 01:21:19,980 --> 01:21:22,116 And that's the basal ganglia. 1559 01:21:22,149 --> 01:21:24,719 This area, the caudate putamen, 1560 01:21:24,753 --> 01:21:27,988 which is, you know, by many neurophysiologist 1561 01:21:28,021 --> 01:21:29,456 called the brain within the brain. 1562 01:21:29,490 --> 01:21:31,593 What Dr. Nolan has discovered 1563 01:21:31,626 --> 01:21:34,662 may represent a leap in human evolution 1564 01:21:34,696 --> 01:21:38,031 or even a new variation of Homo sapien. 1565 01:21:38,065 --> 01:21:43,605 You have to ask the question "What kind of information 1566 01:21:43,638 --> 01:21:48,976 "is being perceived and how is it being translated into, 1567 01:21:49,009 --> 01:21:52,479 "let's say, traditional neuro-physiologic pathways?" 1568 01:21:53,313 --> 01:21:56,350 We don't understand... 1569 01:21:56,383 --> 01:21:59,219 space time the way we'd like to pretend we do. 1570 01:21:59,253 --> 01:22:05,794 And so, who is to say that there is not some kind of information transfer 1571 01:22:05,827 --> 01:22:08,696 that we just don't necessarily yet appreciate, 1572 01:22:08,730 --> 01:22:11,566 but evolution has found a way to latch onto. 1573 01:22:18,540 --> 01:22:21,241 The people that we've met since 2017 1574 01:22:21,275 --> 01:22:23,043 seemed to have some genuine interest 1575 01:22:23,076 --> 01:22:27,014 in helping to make humanity more aware of these realities. 1576 01:22:27,047 --> 01:22:30,951 Chris Mellon continues to work quietly behind the scenes 1577 01:22:30,984 --> 01:22:34,288 to bring about an effective means of disclosure. 1578 01:22:34,321 --> 01:22:36,891 Very much changing within the government, 1579 01:22:36,925 --> 01:22:40,060 on the Hill and the executive branch, 1580 01:22:40,093 --> 01:22:42,664 as well as you can see with the media lately. 1581 01:22:42,697 --> 01:22:44,866 It's becoming respectable and legitimate, 1582 01:22:44,899 --> 01:22:48,502 and that's so crucial to engaging more minds and more energy, 1583 01:22:48,536 --> 01:22:50,638 and more resources to getting to the bottom of this. 1584 01:22:50,672 --> 01:22:52,439 Lue Elizondo seems to have put 1585 01:22:52,473 --> 01:22:54,609 everything on the line since going public. 1586 01:22:54,642 --> 01:22:58,045 So if there's an issue where the government is doing something we don't want to 1587 01:22:58,078 --> 01:23:00,682 then it's up to us as a people to change that. 1588 01:23:00,715 --> 01:23:03,551 But it doesn't have to be an adversarial relationship. 1589 01:23:03,585 --> 01:23:07,454 I think where we go wrong is that people often times look at the government, they say, 1590 01:23:07,488 --> 01:23:09,423 "Oh, the government's bad, the government's bad." 1591 01:23:09,456 --> 01:23:13,227 His role in AATIP has been challenged by the Defense Intelligence Agency. 1592 01:23:13,260 --> 01:23:15,996 Lue fought back by hiring one of the most effective 1593 01:23:16,029 --> 01:23:19,767 and well known civil rights attorneys in the field, Danny Sheehan. 1594 01:23:19,801 --> 01:23:25,138 I was contacted by Lue Elizondo and asked to represent him 1595 01:23:25,172 --> 01:23:27,040 because he was upset 1596 01:23:27,074 --> 01:23:29,209 about the fact that the Pentagon 1597 01:23:29,243 --> 01:23:32,212 even after the publication of this 1598 01:23:32,246 --> 01:23:35,349 on December 16th and 17th of 2017, 1599 01:23:35,382 --> 01:23:40,522 there were officials inside the Pentagon issuing completely false statements, 1600 01:23:40,555 --> 01:23:42,991 still, saying, "Yeah, there's no such thing 1601 01:23:43,023 --> 01:23:46,460 "as the Advanced Aerospace Identification Program." 1602 01:23:46,493 --> 01:23:49,296 Together, they approached the Inspector General 1603 01:23:49,329 --> 01:23:51,064 of the Defense Intelligence Agency 1604 01:23:51,098 --> 01:23:55,335 to reverse the Pentagon's failure to acknowledge Elizondo's position. 1605 01:23:55,369 --> 01:24:00,374 When Elizondo started, talking about this phenomenon publicly, 1606 01:24:00,407 --> 01:24:04,579 you can see the Pentagon had tremendous pushback against him. 1607 01:24:05,145 --> 01:24:06,113 They lied. 1608 01:24:06,146 --> 01:24:08,382 They said "No, he didn't run such a program." 1609 01:24:08,415 --> 01:24:09,584 That was a lie. 1610 01:24:09,617 --> 01:24:11,653 They said AATIP had nothing to do with UFOs. 1611 01:24:11,686 --> 01:24:13,922 -That was a lie. -We were trying at the same time, 1612 01:24:13,955 --> 01:24:16,958 trying to determine what Lue can say 1613 01:24:16,991 --> 01:24:20,093 in light of his security clearances, you know, publicly. 1614 01:24:20,127 --> 01:24:24,832 Not long ago, Elizondo supposedly said to his attorney 1615 01:24:24,866 --> 01:24:27,001 that he had seen a flying saucer in a hanger. 1616 01:24:27,035 --> 01:24:32,072 That gets out and the stuff hits the fan. 1617 01:24:32,105 --> 01:24:34,809 And, you know, Lue had to walk that back too. 1618 01:24:34,842 --> 01:24:37,011 What did he do? He said, "Well, you know, 1619 01:24:37,045 --> 01:24:39,514 "I went to a hangar that was designed 1620 01:24:39,547 --> 01:24:42,817 "to accommodate exotic materials, but I didn't see anything there. 1621 01:24:42,850 --> 01:24:46,821 "I never saw any intact craft." He was like, very lawyerly 1622 01:24:46,854 --> 01:24:49,557 in how he said what he did because he had to. 1623 01:24:49,591 --> 01:24:53,828 I guess I'm just genetically pre-disposed to not trusting government 1624 01:24:53,861 --> 01:24:56,864 and seeing it now, too, it's just a joke. 1625 01:24:56,898 --> 01:24:57,832 It really is. 1626 01:24:59,701 --> 01:25:02,770 MUFON, The Mutual UFO Network 1627 01:25:02,804 --> 01:25:06,975 is the largest and oldest UFO organization in the world. 1628 01:25:07,008 --> 01:25:10,678 After over 50 years, MUFON is stronger than ever. 1629 01:25:11,746 --> 01:25:14,515 I'm Ron James. It's March 11th 2022. 1630 01:25:14,549 --> 01:25:16,050 I'm here in front of the White House. 1631 01:25:16,084 --> 01:25:19,419 It's been a historic week for the UFO community and for MUFON, 1632 01:25:19,453 --> 01:25:20,788 the Mutual UFO Network. 1633 01:25:20,822 --> 01:25:23,390 We have actually been taking meetings all week long 1634 01:25:23,423 --> 01:25:27,662 with key members and staff of the House and Senate intelligence committees 1635 01:25:27,695 --> 01:25:29,530 regarding the UAP phenomenon. 1636 01:25:29,564 --> 01:25:32,100 We've been here for three days now, four days, 1637 01:25:32,132 --> 01:25:35,937 and have met with about 10 different officials, 1638 01:25:35,970 --> 01:25:41,576 congressmen, representatives staff and senators, 1639 01:25:41,609 --> 01:25:44,746 and we've really had a tremendous welcome. 1640 01:25:44,779 --> 01:25:47,882 Thousands of people over 100 years or more, 1641 01:25:47,915 --> 01:25:51,786 have challenged the official deception around the UFO topic. 1642 01:25:51,819 --> 01:25:54,287 They have been ridiculed and debunked. 1643 01:25:54,321 --> 01:25:56,958 Today, they are beginning to be vindicated, 1644 01:25:56,991 --> 01:25:59,493 but still have not accomplished their goal. 1645 01:25:59,527 --> 01:26:02,396 A total end to the UFO cover-up. 1646 01:26:02,429 --> 01:26:05,800 There is no way to inform the American people writ large, 1647 01:26:05,833 --> 01:26:09,137 all 500 million of us, and ensure that information 1648 01:26:09,169 --> 01:26:11,606 is not going to get into the hands of a foreign adversary. 1649 01:26:11,639 --> 01:26:14,108 Maybe it's that there are some elements 1650 01:26:14,142 --> 01:26:17,244 of the technology that has to be kept under wraps 1651 01:26:17,277 --> 01:26:21,582 or kept to a limited number of people because 1652 01:26:21,616 --> 01:26:23,851 if you cross the wires, bad things happen. 1653 01:26:23,885 --> 01:26:28,056 This is a version of disclosure. 1654 01:26:28,089 --> 01:26:29,891 But is it going to be the real truth? 1655 01:26:29,924 --> 01:26:31,959 And, I mean, I don't care 1656 01:26:31,993 --> 01:26:33,995 about anything except what the actual truth is. 1657 01:26:34,028 --> 01:26:35,730 So, we'll see if they can get there. 1658 01:26:35,763 --> 01:26:38,498 They could say, for example, down the road, 1659 01:26:38,533 --> 01:26:43,071 "Well, actually, yeah. We have had a few reports down the road, 1660 01:26:43,104 --> 01:26:45,640 "over the years, but we kept it quiet because, 1661 01:26:45,673 --> 01:26:48,241 "honestly, we needed to avoid public panic." 1662 01:26:48,275 --> 01:26:49,544 They'll say that. 1663 01:26:49,577 --> 01:26:54,314 At a societal level, I believe that we are completely ready 1664 01:26:54,347 --> 01:26:57,484 to incorporate this new reality, 1665 01:26:57,518 --> 01:27:02,023 and if the President were to go on 1666 01:27:02,056 --> 01:27:05,526 the evening news today and say, "My fellow Americans, 1667 01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:07,061 "people of the world, we're not alone," 1668 01:27:07,095 --> 01:27:11,331 I think the reaction would be sorta two-fold. 1669 01:27:11,364 --> 01:27:14,102 Obviously, there would be a huge interest in it, 1670 01:27:14,135 --> 01:27:17,538 but actually there wouldn't be panic in the streets. 1671 01:27:17,572 --> 01:27:21,109 So to be part of that journey, 1672 01:27:21,142 --> 01:27:25,847 to uncover and to show links to this advanced civilization, 1673 01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:29,784 that would be a great honor, because as a scientist, 1674 01:27:29,817 --> 01:27:32,053 you go where the data takes you. 1675 01:27:32,086 --> 01:27:35,857 And sometimes the data takes you to places that are uncomfortable. 1676 01:27:35,890 --> 01:27:38,358 But, hey, that's the way the cookie crumbles. 1677 01:27:38,391 --> 01:27:40,528 Yeah, I just... You know, I'm going to get hit on it. 1678 01:27:40,561 --> 01:27:43,531 They told me. They said, "Man, Burchett you need to cool this stuff out 1679 01:27:43,564 --> 01:27:49,402 "because it's gonna hurt us at the polls." But we'll see. 1680 01:27:51,806 --> 01:27:54,909 We've shown that even today there is a narrative at work 1681 01:27:54,942 --> 01:28:00,047 that has been created to manipulate public perception about the UFO topic. 1682 01:28:00,081 --> 01:28:02,683 We are not alone in the universe. 1683 01:28:02,717 --> 01:28:06,353 There are those who have struggled to keep this truth a secret. 1684 01:28:06,386 --> 01:28:10,024 But the proof of the deception serves its own purpose 1685 01:28:10,057 --> 01:28:12,760 and tells us much more than ever before. 1686 01:28:12,794 --> 01:28:15,196 I have good news and I have bad news. 1687 01:28:15,229 --> 01:28:19,167 And the good news is the government's been telling you the truth. 1688 01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:22,837 The bad news is the government's been telling you the truth. 1689 01:28:22,870 --> 01:28:23,971 I mean, just look at Roswell. 1690 01:28:24,005 --> 01:28:25,873 There are no 509th bomb group members left. 1691 01:28:25,907 --> 01:28:27,275 They're all dead. 1692 01:28:27,307 --> 01:28:30,511 So according to the government, it's cover up complete. 1693 01:28:30,545 --> 01:28:32,914 All right, then what did I see out there in that field? 1694 01:28:33,413 --> 01:28:34,816 Oh, that... 1695 01:28:36,984 --> 01:28:39,020 Why, that was a weather balloon. 153096

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