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I came to Midnight Express
in a most peculiar way.
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I'd been invited to New York in '76
to see the stage show of The Wiz.
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They wanted to make it
into a movie. It was U niversal .
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I didn't like it, and so I had lunch
with the Universal guys...
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...and kind of said no,
and walking back from lunch ...
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...I was walking down Fifth Avenue,
walked past the Columbia building ...
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...and Peter Guber was coming out,
and he said :
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"I've got something for you ."
And he went back upstairs...
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...and he gave me the galley proofs
of Midnight Express. . .
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...the book that Billy Hayes
had written with William Hoffer.
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And he said , "Could you read it?"
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So I read it on the way back,
on a plane.
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I talked about it with my then-producer,
AIan Marshall ...
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...who had done most of my work
till then .
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AIso, I'd spoke to David Puttnam ,
who I'd worked with also.
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David Puttnam was about to go
into business with Guber...
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...quite coincidentally.
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So I said , "Well , if you're gonna take
the job at Casablanca--"
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Which was Guber's company.
"--then I'Il do the film ."
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And suddenly, all three of us
were involved , which was terrific...
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...because we'd worked
so successfully in the past.
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What happened with the script
was that...
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...up to that point, I had written
most of everything that I'd directed .
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So, you know, it was-- I was
used to doing my own screenplays.
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I went to L.A. and Guber introduced me
to this young man called OIiver Stone...
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...who had not any film credits
at that time...
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...although he had written a couple
of very good scripts.
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Peter Guber had found OIiver.
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I think had read Platoon...
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...and liked Platoon
and given OIiver the shot to do his fir--
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I think,
his first commissioned screenplay.
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They flew me to New York,
to the Mayflower Hotel ...
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...where OIiver Stone was staying .
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He was a screenwriter they hired to
adapt Midnight Express into the script.
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I didn't know him.
He didn't have credits on much at all .
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While we-- We sat in a room for,
I think, about a week.
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If you know OIiver,
he has an immense amount of energy.
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Back 30 years ago, he had even more.
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So it's Iike being in a room with--
I n a washing machine, non-stop going .
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I Iove it. For me, I just--
I Iove that kind of person .
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And he's a brilliant guy,
and he was fiery about this project.
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I interviewed Billy Hayes in New York
for several days...
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...and we talked in a hotel , and I asked
him every specific question I could ...
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...and I got-- And he had written
a book also. Was writing one.
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So...
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...when I went to England to write this,
I was charged .
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It was decided
that he would come to London ...
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...and he would begin writing
the screenplay of Midnight Express...
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...which he, in fact, did ...
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...in the back office
of our commercials company.
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A Iittle office we had in Soho,
in London .
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He came over and wrote it with AIan .
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I mean , more OIiver than AIan ,
but, obviously, he would call in Alan ...
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...and they would discuss it
each evening ...
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...and then OIiver would come in
the next day...
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...and he would sit at a desk,
and he'd write for, Iike, seven hours...
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...at a time.
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I believe still that the screenplay,
the first draught...
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...should be written in a burst of the
energy in which you see the movie...
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...which is a two-hour time Iimit.
It's got a clock on it.
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And I think that if--
I try to write it in six weeks...
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...and I wrote the first draught
in six weeks, actually, to the day.
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But, of course, with AIan ,
he was pretty tough ...
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...and I was a young ,
struggling screenwriter...
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...and he was an established d irector
at that time.
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So I had-- He made me work
in the back of his office...
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...which Iooked Iike a Dickens-- Charles
Dickens' Scrooge office with no light.
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To be quite honest,
I think most of us thought:
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"Well , Iet him
write the first draught"...
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...and then I would get on
and write the screenplay.
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That really was, basically,
what we were thinking .
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And that was the kind of working
assumption for about three months.
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Then the moment
I absolutely remember...
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...is that OIiver delivered to me
and AIan simultaneously--
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And probably AIan Marshall .
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--His first draught.
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And I sat in my office--
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I was in-- My office was
in Soho Square at the time.
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--And sat down and read it.
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Literally, in a sitting .
It was a real page-turner.
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It was a wonderfully,
energetically written script.
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And thinking , "Jesus,
this is actually very good .
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He's very, very good .
This is very, very, very good ."
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And at the end of it, I picked up
the phone to Alan , and I got through ...
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...and he said , " I know, I know, I know.
I know what you're gonna say.
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It's great, isn't it?"
I said , "Yes, it's great."
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We all kind of read it--
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AIan Marshall , David Puttnam and
myself-- within a space of five minutes.
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You know, we all called one another,
and it was a terrific script, actually.
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The first time I read the script,
I couldn't put it down .
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It was a magnificent script.
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You know, it was heavy...
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...but it was certainly a page-turner.
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The screenplay had a volatile energy.
Really had a dynam--
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It was, Iike, a new energy at that time.
It was more rougher, it was rawer...
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...and vital .
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It was angry too.
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It was angry about, at that time, what I
perceived to be a system of injustice...
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...not just in Turkey,
but everywhere in the world .
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But Turkey did stand in for me...
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...in my passionate heart,
for the rest of the world .
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The original screenplay...
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...was in a number
of different prisons.
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It followed , quite closely, the book.
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And the first changes that were made
from the notes...
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...that came from me and from the
studio and from Guber and Puttnam ...
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...were really to conflate the prisons.
Make the prison one prison .
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Because, by going
to this island prison , and then he--
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I n the original screenplay,
he swam to a fishing boat...
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...and that's how he escapes.
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It Iet off the pressure cooker by--
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And most of the characters
that you created--
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Hamidou , the prison guard ,
and Max, John Hurt character.
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--Were suddenly not there
in our story.
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So we kept it all in the same prison .
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And that was the big change
into the second draught.
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AIthough it was a cracking script...
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...there were fundamental things
that we wanted to adjust and change.
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But there were two more draughts.
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And a number of things were changed
whilst we were filming .
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It was quite organic.
It gradually changed , little bit by Iittle.
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And we started shooting
in September of '77.
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The studio were very, very keen
on Richard Gere in particular.
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He just had a very successful movie,
I think called Bloodbrothers.
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But it-- It had been very good ,
and he'd got terrific reviews.
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And a whole series
of meetings occurred ...
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...between AIan Parker and Richard
that I set up.
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I met with Richard Gere about twice,
and I wanted him to read the part.
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He refused to read .
He didn't wanna read .
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There was kind of a Iine that if you
were a young actor who had made it...
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...you don't have to read anymore.
He didn't Iike doing cold readings.
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So I couldn't commit to him , he didn't
commit to us at that moment in time.
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We'd also cast and screen-tested
a number of people...
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...and that included Sam Bottoms,
who was very good ...
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...Dennis Quaid , and Brad Davis.
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I had seen Brad Davis.
He'd come in Iate one day.
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He knocked at my door two hours
after he should have been there...
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...at the end of the day.
He was completely covered in grease.
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H is VW had broken down on the way
from his home in North Hollywood ...
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...and he read ...
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...and I was always impressed
by him .
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I mean , he had such passion for the
piece, and he was very vulnerable...
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...almost like
a wou nded animal , really...
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...and so keen and so anxious
to play the part.
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It's fantastic for a director to have
somebody who wanted to do that badly.
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Brad Davis was an unusual fella.
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He was made for that role, you know.
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I've seen so many people that
have come along , and then one role--
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And that's the role of their Iife.
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It's the 1 5th picture they've done,
or the 1 0th , or the sixth .
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That was the first real one he did ,
and that was it.
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It was another scary element
for the studio...
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...because they eventually
went with an unknown ...
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...and when you have, almost,
a first-time studio director--
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That was the first studio film he did .
He did a Iittle independent film.
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--And a first-time screenwriter...
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...now a first-time actor...
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And then there was a problem
of selling Brad Davis.
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And for some extraordinary reason ...
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...Dan Melnick,
and particularly David Begelman--
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This is while Begelman
was still there...
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...before Begelman was forced
to step down from the studio.
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--Got this obsession that Brad had--
Was cross-eyed .
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It was an absolutely extraordinary
series of conversations.
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"The kid's cross-eyed , he's not
attractive enough ," et cetera, et cetera.
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I Iiterally had to go to an optician
to have Brad's eyes tested ...
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...and a Ietter from the optician saying
in no way at all was he suffering ...
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...from any form of astigmatism
or anything else. We took that back.
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And I got on
with the rest of the casting ...
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...in Los Angeles and New York...
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...mostly for the American parts.
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Randy Quaid , obviously,
I met here in Los Angeles.
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John H urt was one
of the first people we cast...
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...who plays Max-- I've met in London .
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--And he really wanted to do the film ,
and that was easy.
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John H urt was a very early
and very easy decision .
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I remember that I had the job of--
A happy job of persuading him .
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And he said this, so I can .
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He says that I sat down with him
and said :
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"John , how would you Iike to be
nominated for an Academy Award?"
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And he said , "What?"
I said , "If you do this, you will be."
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And he was, so that was nice.
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But it was an obvious stand-out part
for him .
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He was perfect. And he--
I think he loved it.
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How it came about, to start with ...
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I was approached by David Puttnam .
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And he said there's a film that
I might be interested in doing .
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I said , "Oh , really? What's that?"
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I said , "Who's gonna be directing?"
And he said , "AIan Parker."
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And I said--
I mmediately, I said , " I'II do it."
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He said , "What do you mean?
You don't want to see the script?"
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"No, no, no." I said-- I'd just seen
some shorts by AIan Parker...
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...because I was part and parcel
of producing a film ...
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...called Little Malcolm and His
Struggle Against the Eunuchs...
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...which turned out
to be handmade film .
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It was done by George Harrison .
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And I'd seen these three Iittle...
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...films made by AIan ...
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...which , I think, they were all to do
with the Blitz in London .
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And they were fabulous.
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And I just said , "Well . . . ."
At that stage, I said , "No.
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If it's him , I want to do it."
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I figured that there's--
He wouldn't want me to do it...
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...if there wasn't anything--
If it wasn't worth doing .
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If it wasn't something to get your teeth
into, and I was dead right.
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But it surprised Puttnam .
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And it's the only time I've ever done
a film which is sight unseen .
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He came in with a beautiful drawing
he made of the character, Max.
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How he thought he should look,
including broken glasses...
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...with Band-Aids on the broken glass,
and his whole look, actually, was--
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He'd already figured out
how he wanted to Iook.
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It's exactly how he looked
in the film , in fact.
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The first screenplay
was early part of '77.
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I think in , like, spring . April .
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I then started casting
and Iooking for Iocations.
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We went to five countries in Europe
to look for where we might set the film .
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We couldn't make the film ,
for obvious reasons, in Turkey.
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I n fact, it was quite dangerous
for us to go there.
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Even for us to go and recce,
which we did do.
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We had to find a prison ...
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...because we-- Or a Iocation ...
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...that gave us this mediaeval feeling .
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I n all honesty, we went to Istanbul ...
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...and saw the real prison ,
Sagmalcilar...
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...which is actually much more
a German blockhouse.
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We were originally, from memory,
Iooking at--
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We Iooked at a number of countries.
Yugoslavia we looked at.
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Israel , at one point.
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But everywhere we went, the Turkish
authorities who got wind of the script...
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...got there ahead of us and managed
to do a very good job--
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Italy, we were gonna shoot in .
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--Of making sure
that permissions were withdrawn .
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We ended up in Malta because
it was run by an extraordinary...
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...eccentric man
called Dom M intoff...
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...who wasn't gonna be told
by the Turks about anything .
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We were remarkably welcome
in Malta...
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...whereas we'd been literally...
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...kind of eased off from our first--
I think our first three Iocations.
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And although ...
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...having been to Istanbul ,
it didn't Iook absolutely Istanbul ...
241
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...it had that period feel ...
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...that Istanbul has...
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...and I found ...
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...this yard , which was actually...
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...a British Army storage facility.
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I called up, and I said
to Alan and Geoffrey:
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"Get on a plane.
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Come over here and have a Iook
at this, and see what you think."
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It was, architecturally,
qu ite interesting .
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It's kind of dusty,
and it was made of this wonderful ...
251
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...dirty, old , honey-coloured Iimestone.
And it was--
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It had seen better days.
253
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It was rather shabby,
and it was empty.
254
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It was Iike a gigantic film studio
that was ours.
255
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And so I thought,
"Well , this is a great space...
256
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...in which to base the whole piece."
257
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On the other hand , it didn't actually
have a big open area, or kogus...
258
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...where a lot of the scenes
had been written for...
259
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...and so we decided
to build our own kogus...
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...which we bu ilt
with real Iimestone, intact...
261
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...in the corner of the courtyard
of this fort.
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Geoffrey designed this building that--
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He actually put a whole front
onto an existing rear...
264
00:14:08,736 --> 00:14:13,307
...so some of the Iittle cells
and things were all in the original ...
265
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...and then he built...
266
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...the wash areas...
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...and some other cells,
and moulded them in perfectly...
268
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...so it became like a real prison .
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We built that,
and it gave me staircases...
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...and also the convenience
to be able to shoot, really...
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...and the whole crew
could be in there.
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It was a film set, really, and yet,
it was made with real materials.
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The cell block...
274
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...that Hamidou comes down
when he walks down the stairs...
275
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...and beats Billy on the back
with the baton ...
276
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...that was all there.
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It was-- Geoffrey obviously
put in the iron ...
278
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...the metal bars and stuff Iike that
for pulling him u p...
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...by his feet and stuff like that...
280
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...but the actual Iocations,
even when they go down into the--
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Down the well , that is a real well .
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We shot that for real .
I nto the water, we shot that for real .
283
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It was an amazing find .
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When I first step onto the set at Malta,
I was overwhelmed ...
285
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...by the reality, for me, of, again ,
the Turkish guards with the uniforms...
286
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...and the kids running around ,
and the dogs, and--
287
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While it wasn't my particular prison ,
it was Istanbul , in a way.
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It was other prisons that I had been in
and seen and so on .
289
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I didn't particularly Iike sitting
on the bunk...
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...in my cell , as it were.
291
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That was a little too close.
That was a little weird .
292
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And then we went across the road
to another facility...
293
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...and found the wheel
that they walked around in the wr--
294
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He walked around
in the wrong direction .
295
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You must go the other way.
296
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The arrest and the capture was--
297
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And the bus ride
were all done in Malta Airport.
298
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We took over the airport.
299
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I think we got it for two nights
to shoot the scene.
300
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They were very good . We had good
help from the Maltese government...
301
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...in allowing us to, ostensibly,
close down the airport.
302
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We just redressed it to Iook
a little Iike Istanbul Airport...
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...and shot the scenes.
304
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I was Iucky when I started the film .
I some had familiar faces around me.
305
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Most importantly, of course, I had
AIan Marshall and David Puttnam ...
306
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...who were gonna be the hands-on
producers there in Malta with me.
307
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Peter Guber was in Los Angeles.
308
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And also, I had--
AImost the entire crew...
309
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...were people that I knew
from making commercials...
310
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...which I'd been doing
for a few years before making the film.
311
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They'd worked with me
on Bugsy Malone.
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The cinematographer, Michael Seresin ,
who is hugely important to me...
313
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...Geoffrey Kirkland ,
production designer...
314
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...and Gerry Hambling , the editor.
315
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They had all worked with me...
316
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...and , in fact, went on to do many,
many films with me Iater.
317
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So that, plus almost everybody,
from the makeup and hair...
318
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...to the first assistant director,
had worked with me before.
319
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It was kind of necessary,
because it was pretty hard .
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Going in , it was six-day weeks.
Sometimes we did seven-day weeks.
321
00:17:27,100 --> 00:17:29,436
It was a three-week period .
Nobody got a day off...
322
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...which was kind of hard , particularly
as it's a very dark subject...
323
00:17:34,975 --> 00:17:36,977
...and it-- Very humid and hot...
324
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...filming in a prison .
325
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It's not the best of things in an island ,
which is just really a rock...
326
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...in the middle of the Mediterranean
with two restaurants.
327
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The bar at the H ilton
was the only pleasure anybody had .
328
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So we had Michael ,
and we had our operator...
329
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...we had our focus pullers.
330
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We knew everybody on the crew,
and everybody came from the U . K.
331
00:17:58,432 --> 00:18:03,537
The crew was very tight,
very together.
332
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It really was like a family.
333
00:18:05,939 --> 00:18:09,409
And one of the things I like
about making a film on an island ...
334
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...is that it, particularly, some--
And I Iike Malta.
335
00:18:12,746 --> 00:18:15,682
It's big enough to be able to be
separate when you need to be...
336
00:18:15,849 --> 00:18:19,319
...but it's small enough to make
everything feel very familiar...
337
00:18:19,486 --> 00:18:22,356
...you know? And ...
338
00:18:22,589 --> 00:18:26,460
So therefore-- And everybody,
everybody in the crew...
339
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...to the humblest carpenter...
340
00:18:30,063 --> 00:18:31,565
...was involved .
341
00:18:31,732 --> 00:18:33,767
Everybody was involved in it.
342
00:18:33,934 --> 00:18:35,969
And that was a great deal to do
with Alan .
343
00:18:36,136 --> 00:18:39,206
And Alan Marshall as well ,
you know.
344
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They were very...
345
00:18:44,077 --> 00:18:45,979
Brought everybody together.
346
00:18:46,146 --> 00:18:50,717
That was what the Friday-evening party
was all about, really.
347
00:18:50,884 --> 00:18:54,021
And everyone was invited .
Everybody went up to Alan's place.
348
00:18:54,187 --> 00:18:57,090
And they're there till dawn .
349
00:18:57,257 --> 00:19:00,427
Dancing . We danced and we danced
and we sang and we danced ...
350
00:19:00,594 --> 00:19:03,964
...and we drank,
and we had a fantastic time.
351
00:19:07,668 --> 00:19:12,005
Biggest challenge was,
it was a depressing film to make.
352
00:19:12,172 --> 00:19:13,940
You know, we were shooting
in a prison .
353
00:19:14,107 --> 00:19:18,745
And going to work there everyday
I found awful , actually.
354
00:19:18,912 --> 00:19:21,581
And we-- There was a kind
of cu mulative depression ...
355
00:19:21,748 --> 00:19:26,319
...that seem to build itself up,
and it was very, very hard .
356
00:19:26,486 --> 00:19:28,989
It was a brutal movie...
357
00:19:29,156 --> 00:19:34,227
...so, in that respect, again ,
another, you know...
358
00:19:34,394 --> 00:19:38,365
Sometimes the actors...
359
00:19:38,532 --> 00:19:42,636
...got, shall I say, overzealous
with their particular roles...
360
00:19:42,803 --> 00:19:44,905
...but, you know, it--
361
00:19:45,072 --> 00:19:46,907
Eventually, it--
362
00:19:47,074 --> 00:19:51,344
It was a hard film ...
363
00:19:51,511 --> 00:19:54,915
...because of the story line,
because of the conditions...
364
00:19:55,082 --> 00:19:58,351
...and it was very hot.
We were working--
365
00:19:58,518 --> 00:20:03,824
Malta gets very, very hot during the
period of time that we were shooting ...
366
00:20:03,990 --> 00:20:07,961
...so we were always in the 90s,
and it was pretty stifling ...
367
00:20:08,128 --> 00:20:09,896
...in some of these areas.
368
00:20:10,330 --> 00:20:13,100
I say, "We worked Iike dogs,
and we played hard ."
369
00:20:13,266 --> 00:20:15,702
Great. I mean ,
it was a terrific experience.
370
00:20:15,869 --> 00:20:19,339
We had absolute nightmare
the first three days' rushes.
371
00:20:19,773 --> 00:20:24,044
We'd all decided the film would be
underlit and be very kind of murky.
372
00:20:24,211 --> 00:20:27,347
And it so happened
the first three days' rushes...
373
00:20:27,514 --> 00:20:29,082
...were in jail sequences...
374
00:20:29,249 --> 00:20:31,251
...and we just undercooked it...
375
00:20:31,418 --> 00:20:32,652
...and they were too dark.
376
00:20:32,819 --> 00:20:36,022
I would say something Iike two--
377
00:20:36,189 --> 00:20:39,059
Two of the first three days
were unusable.
378
00:20:39,226 --> 00:20:40,861
And we were in the shit.
379
00:20:41,027 --> 00:20:44,064
We managed to make sure
the studio never saw them .
380
00:20:44,231 --> 00:20:47,634
I , Iiterally, I'm afraid ,
sort of falsified production reports...
381
00:20:47,801 --> 00:20:50,704
...to the sense that we were--
Keep going .
382
00:20:50,871 --> 00:20:55,175
And with a sort of an enormous
effort on the part of the crew...
383
00:20:55,342 --> 00:20:57,477
...by the end of the second week,
we caught up.
384
00:20:57,644 --> 00:21:01,681
And the studio never knew that we had
to reshoot a whole Iot of sequences.
385
00:21:02,282 --> 00:21:04,484
Now, I would argue,
today, it wouldn't happen ...
386
00:21:04,651 --> 00:21:07,187
...because they'd have the rushes
immediately, on--
387
00:21:07,354 --> 00:21:08,922
Probably online.
388
00:21:09,089 --> 00:21:12,025
Someone would be Iooking at them ,
and someone would be saying ...
389
00:21:12,192 --> 00:21:14,728
...in a sheer panic,
at the end of two days:
390
00:21:14,895 --> 00:21:17,164
"Get rid of the cinematographer.
Fire the--"
391
00:21:17,330 --> 00:21:18,865
AII that stuff would be going on .
392
00:21:19,032 --> 00:21:22,235
I n those days, you had , at Ieast,
that kind of pause in the moment...
393
00:21:22,402 --> 00:21:23,804
...to actually correct things.
394
00:21:23,970 --> 00:21:25,972
And as a producer,
I've always believed ...
395
00:21:26,139 --> 00:21:28,108
...the first week
will always be chaotic.
396
00:21:28,275 --> 00:21:29,876
It cannot not be.
397
00:21:30,043 --> 00:21:32,312
And you've only got the second week
to sort it...
398
00:21:32,479 --> 00:21:36,516
...because by the time you get into
the beginning of the third week...
399
00:21:36,683 --> 00:21:39,886
...you establish rhythms. Shooting
rhythms. You establish patterns...
400
00:21:40,053 --> 00:21:42,455
...which become almost
all but impossible to break.
401
00:21:42,622 --> 00:21:46,426
So your second week, for a producer,
is your moment of crisis.
402
00:21:46,593 --> 00:21:49,062
You either sort it
or you bug it, really.
403
00:21:49,229 --> 00:21:50,897
And I had both . I've sorted it...
404
00:21:51,064 --> 00:21:54,301
...and I've also had times
where I haven't sorted it, and we bug it.
405
00:21:54,467 --> 00:21:58,505
And through an enormous effort
of will , remarkable, actually--
406
00:21:58,672 --> 00:22:02,209
I think we may have worked
on the Saturday. Probably did .
407
00:22:02,375 --> 00:22:04,311
--In a space of five, six, seven days...
408
00:22:04,477 --> 00:22:08,248
...we managed to catch up
two full days' shooting .
409
00:22:08,849 --> 00:22:10,884
That was the closest thing
to a real crisis.
410
00:22:11,051 --> 00:22:13,420
The time was very different
in the mid-'70s.
411
00:22:13,587 --> 00:22:15,188
Today, you can stream the dailies.
412
00:22:15,355 --> 00:22:19,159
Today, I could be sitting in this office,
Iooking at the dailies...
413
00:22:19,326 --> 00:22:23,096
...that are coming
from UIaanbaatar stream to me...
414
00:22:23,263 --> 00:22:26,733
...and I can look at them
almost through the camera.
415
00:22:27,467 --> 00:22:32,205
Back then , you had to Ioad the dailies
on a horse and buggy...
416
00:22:32,372 --> 00:22:35,542
...and you had to take them to the pier
and put the sails u p...
417
00:22:35,709 --> 00:22:38,211
...and sail them to London
and get them printed .
418
00:22:38,378 --> 00:22:41,081
If you wanted them
brought to the States to Iook at them ...
419
00:22:41,248 --> 00:22:44,050
...again , another courier
would have to take them by plane...
420
00:22:44,217 --> 00:22:46,486
...and land in Los Angeles,
go through customs...
421
00:22:46,653 --> 00:22:49,155
...and by the time you got them,
the film was over.
422
00:22:49,322 --> 00:22:53,126
You wanna make an adjustment?
They've struck the set. The cast had--
423
00:22:53,293 --> 00:22:55,829
Was into another movie.
So it was very difficult.
424
00:22:55,996 --> 00:22:59,699
I got sacked for three days
haltway through the film ...
425
00:22:59,866 --> 00:23:04,004
...because we were sending-- We
were showing rushes to the studio.
426
00:23:04,170 --> 00:23:06,740
And we sent them
the scene in the shower, you know.
427
00:23:06,907 --> 00:23:09,476
When Billy turns away.
428
00:23:09,643 --> 00:23:11,945
And you know, this is 1 977.
429
00:23:12,112 --> 00:23:15,115
That was felt to be
too close the knuckle and--
430
00:23:15,282 --> 00:23:18,852
"No one wants to watch a fucking
gay movie. This is crazy."
431
00:23:19,019 --> 00:23:20,687
You know, "You guys are nuts."
432
00:23:20,854 --> 00:23:22,789
And I was fired .
433
00:23:22,956 --> 00:23:25,959
Now, this was not quite as awful
as it may sound .
434
00:23:26,126 --> 00:23:28,428
I'd actually had enough of Malta
by this time.
435
00:23:28,595 --> 00:23:32,666
Six weeks of crappy food
and depressing atmosphere.
436
00:23:32,832 --> 00:23:34,534
I was fired all the way to Rome.
437
00:23:34,701 --> 00:23:40,640
I sat in a hotel room in Rome
for three days, waiting to be unfired .
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