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I guarantee you. 8 00:02:04,790 --> 00:02:07,168 [man] In the weeks leading up to any manned space mission, 9 00:02:07,251 --> 00:02:11,005 the crew and the spacecraft are put through a series of dress rehearsals, 10 00:02:11,088 --> 00:02:13,883 each one more like the real thing than the last. 11 00:02:13,966 --> 00:02:16,636 The plugs-out test is just one of these. 12 00:02:16,719 --> 00:02:20,640 The crew is wearing full pressure suits locked inside the hatch, 13 00:02:20,723 --> 00:02:24,226 confirming that the spacecraft can operate under its own power 14 00:02:24,310 --> 00:02:27,980 with all the umbilical plugs connecting it to the ground removed. 15 00:02:28,064 --> 00:02:29,774 Even for the very first Apollo mission, 16 00:02:29,857 --> 00:02:33,694 the plugs-out test was routine and hardly considered hazardous. 17 00:02:33,778 --> 00:02:36,739 For astronauts Gus Grissom, Ed White and Roger Chaffee, 18 00:02:36,822 --> 00:02:39,867 it was supposed to be just another long afternoon spent on their backs 19 00:02:39,950 --> 00:02:42,578 inside the Apollo 1 command module. 20 00:02:42,662 --> 00:02:46,832 Another test of the complicated vehicle that would someday, perhaps, 21 00:02:46,916 --> 00:02:50,544 take all three of them on a voyage from the Earth to the moon. 22 00:02:52,463 --> 00:02:53,964 [radio crackling] 23 00:02:55,049 --> 00:02:56,849 [man 1 ] Okay, command pilot, how do you read? 24 00:02:58,135 --> 00:03:02,556 [man 2, distorted] I read you loud and clear... read me? 25 00:03:02,640 --> 00:03:04,480 [man 1 ] Well, you're pretty garbled here, Gus. 26 00:03:04,558 --> 00:03:06,102 Senior pilot, can you hear us? 27 00:03:07,269 --> 00:03:09,939 [man 2, distorted] Yes, [indistinct] loud and clear. 28 00:03:10,022 --> 00:03:13,567 [man 1 ] Okay, Ed, you're worse than Gus. How about you, Roger? 29 00:03:13,651 --> 00:03:17,196 [Roger, distorted] Okay. Pilot reads you five-by-five. 30 00:03:17,279 --> 00:03:19,240 [man 1 ] Roger, you are just a little bit better. 31 00:03:19,323 --> 00:03:21,283 [Roger] Better than Ed or better than Gus? 32 00:03:21,367 --> 00:03:22,702 [man 1 ] Better than both. 33 00:03:22,785 --> 00:03:24,453 [Roger] That's what I always say. 34 00:03:24,537 --> 00:03:28,082 [man 1 ] Gus, what we'd like to do is try using strictly S-band communication. 35 00:03:28,165 --> 00:03:30,167 - See if we can clear this up. - [radio crackling] 36 00:03:30,251 --> 00:03:33,129 Can we get all three of you in the S-band mode? 37 00:03:33,212 --> 00:03:35,256 [Gus] We're all now in the S-band. 38 00:03:36,048 --> 00:03:37,341 [man 1 ] That's real clean, Gus. 39 00:03:38,050 --> 00:03:40,370 [man 1 ] Let's try one more, and maybe we can make the run. 40 00:03:40,886 --> 00:03:43,639 [Gus, distorted] Okay. This is the command pilot. 41 00:03:43,723 --> 00:03:47,601 One, two, three, four, five. 42 00:03:47,685 --> 00:03:49,145 [man 1 ] Okay, you're garbled. 43 00:03:49,228 --> 00:03:51,647 But I think maybe we can get through like this. 44 00:03:51,731 --> 00:03:54,442 Senior pilot, one more time, please. 45 00:03:54,525 --> 00:03:56,569 [Ed] Roger. Senior pilot transmitting. 46 00:03:56,652 --> 00:03:59,947 One, two, three, four... 47 00:04:00,030 --> 00:04:02,283 - [crackling] - senior pilot. 48 00:04:02,366 --> 00:04:04,744 [man 1 ] Well, we're not copying anybody five-by. 49 00:04:04,827 --> 00:04:07,037 We've tried about every mode. 50 00:04:07,121 --> 00:04:08,914 We never did hear the pilot. 51 00:04:08,998 --> 00:04:11,667 [Roger, distorted] Pilot hasn't talked to you yet. How's this? 52 00:04:11,751 --> 00:04:15,212 - [crackling] - One, two, three, four, five. 53 00:04:15,296 --> 00:04:18,007 [man 1 ] Okay, roger. You're all coming in about the same now. 54 00:04:18,090 --> 00:04:21,427 You'll have to bear with us. Sometimes we don't get your transmission. 55 00:04:21,510 --> 00:04:24,847 - [man 2] Okay, STC... - [radio crackling] 56 00:04:24,930 --> 00:04:28,559 five hours. If you run into many more communication problems, 57 00:04:28,642 --> 00:04:30,311 well, we're down. Copy? 58 00:04:30,394 --> 00:04:32,062 [man 3] Steve, I need you at the phone. 59 00:04:32,146 --> 00:04:33,946 [man 1 ] No, I didn't read you, Chuck, at all. 60 00:04:33,981 --> 00:04:36,817 I can't read you, Chuck. Want to try the phone? 61 00:04:36,901 --> 00:04:40,321 How are we gonna get to the moon if we can't talk between three buildings? 62 00:04:40,404 --> 00:04:43,908 - [crackling] - Didn't read you. Can you repeat? 63 00:04:43,991 --> 00:04:46,786 I can't hear a thing you're saying. Jesus Christ. 64 00:04:46,869 --> 00:04:49,121 I said, how are we gonna get to the moon 65 00:04:49,205 --> 00:04:52,124 if we can't talk between two or three buildings? 66 00:05:00,841 --> 00:05:02,736 - [crackling] - That's a little better, gentlemen. 67 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,178 Give us a count on black-three. 68 00:05:04,261 --> 00:05:07,306 We're trying to figure out why you're coming in on black-two. 69 00:05:07,389 --> 00:05:12,186 Okay, well, you want us to sit by here until we get this stuff squared away? 70 00:05:12,269 --> 00:05:14,029 - Uh, Chuck, I didn't read you. - [crackling] 71 00:05:14,063 --> 00:05:17,358 Test countdown hold continues at T-minus ten. 72 00:05:18,484 --> 00:05:20,194 Apollo 1, how do you read? 73 00:05:24,156 --> 00:05:26,075 [over PA] Apollo 1, how do you read? 74 00:05:29,787 --> 00:05:31,705 [over PA] Apollo 1, how do you read? 75 00:05:31,789 --> 00:05:35,626 [Gus] I read you fine. The problem is you're not reading me. 76 00:05:35,709 --> 00:05:37,628 We're gonna get a new backup system, Gus. 77 00:05:37,711 --> 00:05:42,091 I, uh, sent a guy out for a couple of empty soup cans and some string. 78 00:05:42,174 --> 00:05:44,718 - [chuckling] - A lot of string. 79 00:05:44,802 --> 00:05:46,804 - This is really getting ridiculous. - [crackling] 80 00:05:52,643 --> 00:05:53,686 [feedback whines] 81 00:05:53,769 --> 00:05:55,855 Seems like we got an open mic in there somewhere. 82 00:05:57,231 --> 00:05:58,858 - We'd better find it. - Fire! 83 00:06:00,192 --> 00:06:02,528 - We got a fire in the cockpit! - [crackling] 84 00:06:03,070 --> 00:06:05,197 - Did he say fire? - On the monitor. 85 00:06:07,658 --> 00:06:09,243 We got a bad fire! 86 00:06:10,619 --> 00:06:11,912 Fire, go! 87 00:06:11,996 --> 00:06:13,747 [alarm blaring] 88 00:06:16,709 --> 00:06:18,335 Let's get out! 89 00:06:19,169 --> 00:06:20,588 We're burning up! 90 00:06:20,671 --> 00:06:22,506 [urgent chatter, alarm continues] 91 00:06:25,134 --> 00:06:26,969 [people yelling] 92 00:06:58,792 --> 00:07:00,419 We keeping you from something, Stormy? 93 00:07:00,502 --> 00:07:02,212 Oh, Rick's rehearsal dinner. 94 00:07:02,296 --> 00:07:04,757 I promised Phyllis that I wouldn't be late. [chuckles] 95 00:07:04,840 --> 00:07:06,467 I'm sure she's never heard that before. 96 00:07:06,550 --> 00:07:09,470 Control is on the line from the Cape. There's a fire in the spacecraft. 97 00:07:10,930 --> 00:07:13,891 [heavy breaths echoing] 98 00:07:32,284 --> 00:07:34,370 Mr. Shea, I was just trying the house. 99 00:07:34,453 --> 00:07:36,789 I thought you were going straight home from the airport. 100 00:07:36,872 --> 00:07:39,959 Yeah, well, I have a couple things I still need to take a look at. 101 00:07:40,042 --> 00:07:42,836 Mission Control just called. There's some situation with the test. 102 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:44,546 They wanted you to come over right away. 103 00:07:46,757 --> 00:07:48,258 What kind of situation? 104 00:08:38,267 --> 00:08:40,477 Chris, what's going on? 105 00:08:42,646 --> 00:08:44,023 We lost the crew. 106 00:08:45,691 --> 00:08:48,235 There was a fire. The crew is... 107 00:08:49,570 --> 00:08:50,779 They're dead. 108 00:09:17,973 --> 00:09:19,475 [talking quietly] 109 00:09:23,729 --> 00:09:24,938 Jan? 110 00:09:26,273 --> 00:09:27,399 Hi. 111 00:10:00,641 --> 00:10:02,518 Would you like a sedative, Betty? 112 00:10:02,601 --> 00:10:04,686 - Something to... - No, thank you. 113 00:10:06,105 --> 00:10:08,745 I've got a lot of important decisions to make in the next few days. 114 00:10:08,816 --> 00:10:10,692 I don't want to be zonked out on pills. 115 00:10:15,781 --> 00:10:17,866 I better go call Gus's folks. 116 00:10:36,677 --> 00:10:39,596 Martha, Mike Collins is here. 117 00:11:14,381 --> 00:11:16,633 [man] Just so you know, Joe, uh, 118 00:11:16,717 --> 00:11:18,510 the suits failed, but they... 119 00:11:20,053 --> 00:11:22,848 The doctors said they didn't burn to death. 120 00:11:22,931 --> 00:11:26,018 It was the smoke. They were asphyxiated. 121 00:11:44,661 --> 00:11:47,831 [metal creaking] 122 00:12:06,808 --> 00:12:08,727 Hello? ls anybody home? 123 00:12:09,770 --> 00:12:11,855 Mom? Dad? 124 00:12:26,286 --> 00:12:27,454 [whispers] 125 00:12:29,373 --> 00:12:31,375 [whispering] There was a terrible accident today. 126 00:12:35,462 --> 00:12:37,182 [man] It could have been any of us in there. 127 00:12:38,757 --> 00:12:40,259 Hell, it almost was me. 128 00:12:41,093 --> 00:12:45,180 I was gonna sit in the spacecraft for the test. Either me or Joe. 129 00:12:45,264 --> 00:12:46,265 What? 130 00:12:46,348 --> 00:12:49,017 We'd been having so many problems with the communication system 131 00:12:49,101 --> 00:12:53,272 that we thought it might be a good idea to have somebody in there listening in. 132 00:12:57,067 --> 00:13:01,029 So, up until breakfast this morning, Joe Shea and I were gonna flip a coin 133 00:13:01,113 --> 00:13:03,615 to see who got to ride in there with the guys. 134 00:13:03,699 --> 00:13:06,743 - Where would we sit? - Not on my lap, that's for damn sure. 135 00:13:07,744 --> 00:13:11,581 Well, we could fit one person across the cabin underneath the footrail. 136 00:13:11,665 --> 00:13:13,083 Whichever one of us is going in, 137 00:13:13,166 --> 00:13:15,544 we'll be able to hear what it is you fellas are hearing. 138 00:13:15,627 --> 00:13:17,421 Which won't be much. 139 00:13:17,504 --> 00:13:20,549 - Approximately. - Approximately? 140 00:13:20,632 --> 00:13:23,010 Well, we can't patch you into the cabin comm lines. 141 00:13:23,093 --> 00:13:26,763 We'd have to run a separate line through the hatch. 142 00:13:26,847 --> 00:13:30,350 Well, then the hatch would have to be open. That's not gonna work. 143 00:13:30,434 --> 00:13:34,354 We decided that if we weren't gonna hear exactly what they were hearing, 144 00:13:34,438 --> 00:13:36,773 that there really wasn't much point. 145 00:13:42,654 --> 00:13:43,905 [man sighs] 146 00:13:44,364 --> 00:13:47,159 Hell, we've been doing that test since Mercury, Frank. 147 00:13:48,327 --> 00:13:53,707 So, Joe flew back to Houston, and I went out to the pad. 148 00:13:54,708 --> 00:13:57,127 Don't really know why I went out there with the guys. 149 00:13:57,210 --> 00:13:58,795 I usually don't. 150 00:13:59,713 --> 00:14:04,134 I think I just really wanted to ride in the spacecraft. 151 00:14:05,385 --> 00:14:09,723 At least see what it was like to ride a test out up there. 152 00:14:17,481 --> 00:14:19,107 But, anyway... 153 00:14:24,738 --> 00:14:27,074 You know, I'm kind of concerned about Joe. 154 00:14:30,202 --> 00:14:32,204 I mean, I saw him up at the tower, but... 155 00:14:33,372 --> 00:14:35,165 I don't know how he's handling it. 156 00:14:37,959 --> 00:14:39,419 How are you handling it? 157 00:14:45,967 --> 00:14:47,260 [sighs] 158 00:14:47,928 --> 00:14:49,805 I'm drunk. [chuckles] 159 00:14:52,182 --> 00:14:54,309 You know, the thing is, Frank, that... 160 00:14:54,393 --> 00:15:00,524 I mean, you and I, we both know that people die testing unproved aircraft. 161 00:15:00,607 --> 00:15:01,942 It happens all the time. 162 00:15:02,025 --> 00:15:04,945 It's not nice and we don't like it, 163 00:15:05,028 --> 00:15:07,531 but we all knew it'd happen someday. 164 00:15:08,198 --> 00:15:12,285 No, Deke. We all knew it'd happen someday in space. 165 00:15:15,288 --> 00:15:17,582 It's one thing to die on a mission. 166 00:15:17,666 --> 00:15:20,961 It's another to die on the pad during a routine goddamn test. 167 00:15:24,756 --> 00:15:29,010 Senator Mondale's thoughts are with the families of these brave Americans. 168 00:15:29,761 --> 00:15:32,889 That's it. No, that's it for now. 169 00:15:32,973 --> 00:15:35,142 You seen The Times? Listen to this. 170 00:15:35,225 --> 00:15:37,018 "The astronauts were badly burned. 171 00:15:37,102 --> 00:15:40,230 Rescue workers needed five hours to remove their bodies." 172 00:15:40,313 --> 00:15:42,107 I always knew this was a waste of money. 173 00:15:42,190 --> 00:15:44,192 It turns out it's a dangerous waste of money. 174 00:15:45,152 --> 00:15:47,904 For five, six years now, they've been spending money hand over fist. 175 00:15:47,988 --> 00:15:50,031 No one's been able to do anything about it. 176 00:15:50,115 --> 00:15:52,117 Until now. We're going to look into this. 177 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,662 I talked to Anderson's office. He wants to wait until NASA's finished... 178 00:15:55,745 --> 00:15:58,707 Its own investigation? For Christ's sake. 179 00:15:58,790 --> 00:16:01,551 That's the fox guarding the henhouse. It'll be a complete and utter... 180 00:16:01,626 --> 00:16:03,336 Whitewash. 181 00:16:03,420 --> 00:16:07,466 They don't like NASA employees investigating NASA. 182 00:16:07,549 --> 00:16:10,051 Well, as far as I'm concerned, I didn't come here from Langley 183 00:16:10,135 --> 00:16:13,847 to put a good face on this for my employers. 184 00:16:13,930 --> 00:16:15,432 Matter of fact, the way I see it, 185 00:16:15,515 --> 00:16:19,060 while we're doing this, we're not working for NASA. 186 00:16:21,146 --> 00:16:25,775 We're working for Gus and Ed and Roger. 187 00:16:29,613 --> 00:16:32,282 You're each gonna head up a panel or two. 188 00:16:32,365 --> 00:16:36,703 Max, I want you to go over all the data that came out of the spacecraft. 189 00:16:36,786 --> 00:16:39,456 Printouts, voice transmissions, everything. 190 00:16:39,539 --> 00:16:42,751 Pin down the precise sequence of events. 191 00:16:42,834 --> 00:16:46,213 We're gonna have one panel focusing squarely on the fire. 192 00:16:46,296 --> 00:16:47,589 How it started, how it spread. 193 00:16:47,672 --> 00:16:49,758 They'll be reporting to Dr. Robert Van Dolah 194 00:16:49,841 --> 00:16:52,594 of the Bureau of Mines Explosives Research Center. 195 00:16:52,677 --> 00:16:56,223 Frank, I want you to head up the panel 196 00:16:56,306 --> 00:16:59,059 responsible for dismantling the spacecraft. 197 00:17:07,526 --> 00:17:09,110 [cigarette lighter clicking] 198 00:17:10,570 --> 00:17:14,324 Sorry I'm late. I got a call from Joe Shea. 199 00:17:16,034 --> 00:17:18,203 Stormy, he had a good idea. 200 00:17:18,286 --> 00:17:21,706 They're gonna use spacecraft 14 as a model for taking apart 12. 201 00:17:21,790 --> 00:17:26,169 Before they remove a screw from 12, they'll try it out first on 14. 202 00:17:26,253 --> 00:17:27,420 All right, fine. 203 00:17:28,547 --> 00:17:31,758 Stormy, we're gonna help them any way we can. 204 00:17:31,841 --> 00:17:37,430 I know, but we've also got to get the Block II's ready to fly. 205 00:17:37,514 --> 00:17:38,765 Anything else? 206 00:17:40,308 --> 00:17:43,079 - Do you think they'll try to nail us? - How can they nail us for it, Bud? 207 00:17:43,103 --> 00:17:44,854 It wasn't our fault. 208 00:18:28,398 --> 00:18:31,401 We were gonna run an emergency egress test at the end of the plugs-out, 209 00:18:31,484 --> 00:18:33,653 see how fast they could get out of there. 210 00:18:34,070 --> 00:18:36,031 How far did Ed manage to turn the latch handle? 211 00:18:36,114 --> 00:18:39,409 We don't know. Even if he'd managed to turn the handle all the way... 212 00:18:39,492 --> 00:18:42,579 He still never would've gotten out. It's an inward-opening hatch. 213 00:18:42,662 --> 00:18:45,624 Yeah. As strong as Ed was, the pressure from the fire and smoke 214 00:18:45,707 --> 00:18:47,584 would've been too much for him to pull against. 215 00:18:49,919 --> 00:18:51,296 You know what haunts me? 216 00:18:51,379 --> 00:18:54,507 In a way, if it wasn't for me, 217 00:18:54,591 --> 00:18:56,676 the fire might not have been fatal. 218 00:18:57,510 --> 00:18:59,262 Why is that? 219 00:18:59,346 --> 00:19:02,766 The capsules in the Mercury program had explosive hatches, right? 220 00:19:02,849 --> 00:19:05,810 You pull a lever and, bam, you're out of there in a second. 221 00:19:07,062 --> 00:19:08,813 Remember when Gus's capsule sank, 222 00:19:08,897 --> 00:19:11,358 and everyone said he must have blown the hatch by accident? 223 00:19:12,484 --> 00:19:14,110 I was on the review board for that. 224 00:19:15,111 --> 00:19:17,781 I was the one who found out Gus was telling the truth. 225 00:19:17,864 --> 00:19:20,283 The hatch could blow by itself. 226 00:19:21,201 --> 00:19:24,746 It was because of that they decided not to use an explosive hatch with Apollo. 227 00:19:29,042 --> 00:19:30,669 Nice irony, huh? 228 00:19:31,961 --> 00:19:34,547 If I hadn't proved Gus right, 229 00:19:34,631 --> 00:19:37,717 we might have had an explosive hatch on this spacecraft. 230 00:19:38,677 --> 00:19:41,971 In which case, Gus and the boys would still be alive and well. 231 00:19:50,522 --> 00:19:52,440 I'm not a big fan of irony. 232 00:19:53,316 --> 00:19:56,152 - [radio crackling] - We got a bad fire! 233 00:19:57,278 --> 00:19:58,947 Let's get out! 234 00:19:59,030 --> 00:20:00,782 We're burning up! 235 00:20:09,999 --> 00:20:11,626 We got a bad fire! 236 00:20:12,836 --> 00:20:14,629 Let's get out! 237 00:20:14,713 --> 00:20:16,172 We're burning up! 238 00:20:18,967 --> 00:20:21,010 [click, tape rewinds] 239 00:20:25,932 --> 00:20:27,642 We got a bad fire! 240 00:20:47,704 --> 00:20:48,955 [knock on door] 241 00:20:50,665 --> 00:20:53,585 I'm going now, Mr. Shea. Is there anything I can get you? 242 00:20:54,586 --> 00:20:56,337 You believe in time travel, Kathy? 243 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,884 I mean, if you could go back in time, what would you do? 244 00:21:03,344 --> 00:21:07,140 I mean, I'd... I'd be on that spacecraft for the test. 245 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,268 That's where I'd be. 246 00:21:15,607 --> 00:21:16,983 Good night, sir. 247 00:21:29,037 --> 00:21:34,250 Next is TPS4CM183, item 1018. 248 00:21:34,334 --> 00:21:37,003 Panel 209 mount, upper right. 249 00:21:38,213 --> 00:21:41,049 Panel 209 mount, upper right. 250 00:21:43,426 --> 00:21:45,428 Panel 209 mount, upper right. 251 00:21:46,221 --> 00:21:50,016 Uh, counterclockwise rotation, 22 pounds torque. 252 00:21:50,099 --> 00:21:52,477 Counterclockwise rotation, 22 pounds torque. 253 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,314 - [wrench clicks] - Release at 22.5. 254 00:21:59,192 --> 00:22:01,945 Confirmed as panel 209 mount, upper right. 255 00:22:02,028 --> 00:22:04,781 Mm, threading's intact. No visible marking. 256 00:22:06,199 --> 00:22:08,952 - 22.5. Noted. - [clicks pen] 257 00:22:09,035 --> 00:22:11,871 [man in module] Hold on. I think you're gonna wanna see this. 258 00:22:14,415 --> 00:22:16,125 It's a socket wrench. 259 00:22:17,585 --> 00:22:19,796 We found it behind a panel door. 260 00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:23,591 Must have been left there by one of the North American workmen. 261 00:22:23,675 --> 00:22:25,677 There's no other reasonable explanation for it. 262 00:22:26,386 --> 00:22:27,720 A socket wrench? 263 00:22:29,264 --> 00:22:32,684 [scoffs] Did it have anything to do with the fire? 264 00:22:32,767 --> 00:22:35,270 Uh, we haven't finished our analysis, but I'd have to say no. 265 00:22:35,353 --> 00:22:38,106 That's a long way away from where we think that fire started. 266 00:22:38,940 --> 00:22:41,860 But it still shouldn't have been there, should it? 267 00:22:42,735 --> 00:22:44,112 No, sir. 268 00:22:44,529 --> 00:22:48,867 Well, I think we better hear what North American has to say. 269 00:23:06,134 --> 00:23:08,678 Gentlemen, this is off the record. 270 00:23:10,221 --> 00:23:12,982 First off, I want to thank Stormy and Joe for coming in to talk to us. 271 00:23:13,057 --> 00:23:15,685 We're gonna be writing this report in the next three weeks, 272 00:23:15,768 --> 00:23:19,230 and we have some questions for you both that might help us clear some things up. 273 00:23:19,814 --> 00:23:22,066 Stormy, we'll start with you. 274 00:23:23,610 --> 00:23:26,404 - I'm sure you've seen this. - Yes, no, I've seen that. 275 00:23:26,487 --> 00:23:30,408 Uh, leaving that wrench in those wires was careless and sloppy. 276 00:23:30,491 --> 00:23:32,994 And when we find the person responsible for leaving it there, 277 00:23:33,077 --> 00:23:36,331 we're going to make our displeasure known in the strongest possible way. 278 00:23:36,414 --> 00:23:40,501 But we all know that that wrench had absolutely nothing to do with the fire. 279 00:23:44,130 --> 00:23:45,131 [man clears throat] 280 00:23:47,675 --> 00:23:51,679 Stormy, a number of people have told me Gus wasn't happy with North American. 281 00:23:52,388 --> 00:23:55,016 When he made suggestions or had complaints, 282 00:23:55,099 --> 00:23:56,893 he didn't think he was being listened to. 283 00:23:56,976 --> 00:23:59,187 No, we listened, at first. 284 00:23:59,270 --> 00:24:01,606 But after a while, we had to stop listening. 285 00:24:01,689 --> 00:24:04,609 The good old days of Mercury and Gemini are gone, Frank. 286 00:24:04,692 --> 00:24:07,528 On Gemini, if you wanted to make a change in the spacecraft, 287 00:24:07,612 --> 00:24:09,530 all you had to do was call up old man McDonnell. 288 00:24:09,614 --> 00:24:13,034 Right? Well, you can't do that on Apollo. You know that, Frank. 289 00:24:13,117 --> 00:24:16,454 The smallest change has huge ramifications. 290 00:24:16,871 --> 00:24:19,999 Mercury missions, you launched, orbited a couple times, came back down. 291 00:24:20,083 --> 00:24:22,669 You could hold your breath through some of those flights. 292 00:24:22,752 --> 00:24:24,837 We're going to the moon now. 293 00:24:24,921 --> 00:24:29,717 So, if the accusation is we haven't done everything you astronauts have asked us, 294 00:24:29,801 --> 00:24:31,928 well, all I can say is guilty as charged. 295 00:24:33,221 --> 00:24:36,015 No one's accusing you of anything, Stormy. This isn't a court of law. 296 00:24:36,099 --> 00:24:38,351 Damn right it's not a court of law. It's an ambush. 297 00:24:38,434 --> 00:24:40,561 No. You say you got questions for Joe and me. 298 00:24:40,645 --> 00:24:43,856 Why do I think there aren't gonna be too many questions for Joe? 299 00:24:43,940 --> 00:24:46,859 Because if you don't have any, I got a couple, Joe. 300 00:24:46,943 --> 00:24:49,612 You want to tell them the real reason for the wiring problems? 301 00:24:49,696 --> 00:24:52,156 How NASA keeps changing mission requirements, 302 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,451 and yet you still, you push us to meet these arbitrary deadlines. 303 00:24:55,535 --> 00:24:58,204 We never made changes regarding Velcro, Stormy. 304 00:24:58,287 --> 00:24:59,539 What? 305 00:24:59,622 --> 00:25:02,917 There was not supposed to be more than 500 square inches in the cabin. 306 00:25:03,001 --> 00:25:05,837 You guys had over 5,000 square inches in there. 307 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,296 I wasn't aware that was a problem. 308 00:25:07,380 --> 00:25:09,841 You weren't aware? Of course you were aware. 309 00:25:09,924 --> 00:25:12,218 - We talked about it last August. - [laughter] 310 00:25:12,301 --> 00:25:14,387 You guys got any other complaints? 311 00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:16,764 - Uh, no steering wheel, huh? - No. 312 00:25:16,848 --> 00:25:19,475 How about tinted windows, maybe some power steering? 313 00:25:19,559 --> 00:25:21,352 - No. - No problem. 314 00:25:21,436 --> 00:25:23,855 Come on, now. We do have a couple of other things. 315 00:25:23,938 --> 00:25:26,649 Joe, check the fine print. There's no warranty on this vehicle. 316 00:25:26,733 --> 00:25:29,068 As soon as we signed the pink slip over, it was yours. 317 00:25:29,152 --> 00:25:31,612 - Caveat emptor, buddy. - No, it's the Velcro. 318 00:25:31,696 --> 00:25:34,907 It's flammable, and there's too much of it inside. So, how did this happen? 319 00:25:34,991 --> 00:25:36,951 Talk to them. They're the ones who put it there. 320 00:25:37,035 --> 00:25:40,163 Look, Joe, when you get up in zero-G, crap just starts floating around. 321 00:25:40,246 --> 00:25:43,666 But you put a little bit on your pen, a little on the bulkhead, and presto. 322 00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:47,378 Okay, well, then maybe there's just a few too many little bits in there. 323 00:25:47,462 --> 00:25:49,505 So, wherever Velcro is, 324 00:25:49,589 --> 00:25:53,217 there should be at least four inches between it and any ignition source. 325 00:25:53,301 --> 00:25:56,137 - Sure. Yeah. - All right, other than that... 326 00:25:56,220 --> 00:25:59,599 Not one piece of Velcro, or anything flammable, 327 00:25:59,682 --> 00:26:02,143 was within four inches of any ignition source. 328 00:26:02,226 --> 00:26:05,063 Not that it mattered. A ten-inch gap wouldn't have been enough. 329 00:26:05,146 --> 00:26:07,482 The fire wasn't caused by Velcro. 330 00:26:07,565 --> 00:26:12,945 It was caused by the use of 100% pure goddamn oxygen under pressure. 331 00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:15,281 North American was given mission requirements. 332 00:26:15,364 --> 00:26:19,327 One of the requirements was a spacecraft designed to operate filled with oxygen 333 00:26:19,410 --> 00:26:21,412 and to do so without exploding! 334 00:26:21,496 --> 00:26:24,082 Joe, I think it's time that you and your friends at NASA, 335 00:26:24,165 --> 00:26:26,209 you took a little remedial math course. 336 00:26:26,626 --> 00:26:28,961 In space, the cabin was supposed to contain 337 00:26:29,045 --> 00:26:32,256 five pounds per square inch of pure oxygen, right? 338 00:26:32,340 --> 00:26:35,885 Fine. So, we built it to those specifications. 339 00:26:35,968 --> 00:26:37,970 But you weren't conducting the test in space. 340 00:26:38,054 --> 00:26:39,764 You were conducting it at sea level, 341 00:26:39,847 --> 00:26:43,184 where the atmospheric pressure is already 14.8. 342 00:26:43,267 --> 00:26:47,647 That means that in order to simulate the positive pressure of spaceflight, 343 00:26:47,730 --> 00:26:49,232 you had to add some PSI. 344 00:26:49,315 --> 00:26:51,442 You guys tanked up that spacecraft 345 00:26:51,526 --> 00:26:54,779 with almost 17 pounds per square inch of pure oxygen. 346 00:26:54,862 --> 00:26:58,699 At 17 PSI pure oxygen, Velcro explodes. 347 00:26:58,783 --> 00:27:02,912 The fact remains, we conducted over 15,000 hours of manned tests 348 00:27:02,995 --> 00:27:06,374 with pressurized oxygen environments without anything going wrong, ever! 349 00:27:06,457 --> 00:27:08,209 This time something did go wrong. 350 00:27:08,292 --> 00:27:10,211 You told us there wouldn't be ignition sources. 351 00:27:10,294 --> 00:27:12,130 We begged you not to test at high pressure. 352 00:27:12,213 --> 00:27:13,589 [man] All right. 353 00:27:16,467 --> 00:27:17,468 All right. 354 00:27:22,348 --> 00:27:23,432 Sorry. 355 00:27:25,476 --> 00:27:28,604 Now, normally, Velcro is not much of a fire risk. 356 00:27:28,688 --> 00:27:31,691 This is Velcro in air at sea level. 357 00:27:32,066 --> 00:27:34,402 Under intense direct heat... 358 00:27:35,528 --> 00:27:38,156 it'll burn, it'll melt... 359 00:27:39,323 --> 00:27:41,200 it will not support combustion. 360 00:27:43,828 --> 00:27:47,456 Now, this is Velcro in an atmosphere of 100% oxygen. 361 00:27:57,175 --> 00:28:00,052 As for the spark that started it, 362 00:28:00,136 --> 00:28:03,264 from our fire propagation test and analysis of the spacecraft, 363 00:28:03,347 --> 00:28:05,933 we believe the fire started down here. 364 00:28:06,767 --> 00:28:09,645 Because of the severity of fire damage in this part of the spacecraft, 365 00:28:09,729 --> 00:28:11,981 we'll never know for certain how the fire started. 366 00:28:12,064 --> 00:28:14,942 Our best guess is 367 00:28:15,026 --> 00:28:19,113 that a wire was resting against the inside of this panel door here. 368 00:28:19,197 --> 00:28:21,616 After the door opened and shut a few times, 369 00:28:21,699 --> 00:28:25,119 the Teflon insulation became abraded in two spots. 370 00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:29,707 When a current went through the wire, there was an arc and... 371 00:28:30,625 --> 00:28:32,960 well, you've heard the rest. 372 00:28:35,087 --> 00:28:37,548 You're saying the fire was the result of frayed wiring? 373 00:28:38,674 --> 00:28:39,717 Yes. 374 00:28:57,693 --> 00:29:01,030 [man] Disassembly of the Apollo 1 command module was completed 375 00:29:01,113 --> 00:29:04,951 at the Kennedy Space Center on the 27th of March, 1967, 376 00:29:05,034 --> 00:29:06,535 during the first shift. 377 00:29:16,712 --> 00:29:18,381 [click, door creaks] 378 00:29:34,021 --> 00:29:36,649 You keep working these hours, you're gonna have a heart attack. 379 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,903 - Did you read this thing? - It's 2,300 pages, Stormy. 380 00:29:40,987 --> 00:29:43,227 They're nailing us, Lee. They're saying it was our fault. 381 00:29:43,281 --> 00:29:44,991 There's a couple of references to the fact 382 00:29:45,074 --> 00:29:48,869 that testing in highly pressurized pure oxygen is a tiny bit dangerous. 383 00:29:48,953 --> 00:29:50,663 Other than that, we get our butt kicked. 384 00:29:50,746 --> 00:29:52,623 - We gotta let them know... - No, we don't. 385 00:29:52,707 --> 00:29:55,376 - We're not just gonna take this? - Yes, we are. 386 00:29:55,459 --> 00:29:58,796 We have got files filled with memos begging them not to test like that. 387 00:29:58,879 --> 00:30:01,215 And we are going to forget about those files. 388 00:30:01,299 --> 00:30:05,136 - Forget about them? - We can't blame NASA, Stormy. 389 00:30:05,219 --> 00:30:08,139 We make NASA look bad, they could cancel the whole program. 390 00:30:08,222 --> 00:30:12,351 Mondale's looking for any excuse to shut it down. 391 00:30:12,435 --> 00:30:17,148 This way, we take a few hits, but the program rolls on. 392 00:30:17,231 --> 00:30:21,110 - With a new contractor. - It's too late to get a new contractor. 393 00:30:21,193 --> 00:30:24,030 Kennedy promised the moon by the end of the decade. 394 00:30:24,113 --> 00:30:26,657 They switch contractors now, they can forget about that. 395 00:30:27,450 --> 00:30:30,119 And if it looks like they're gonna miss Kennedy's goal, 396 00:30:30,202 --> 00:30:34,582 public sentiment will evaporate and Congress will pull the plug. 397 00:30:34,665 --> 00:30:36,542 They can't replace us. 398 00:30:37,376 --> 00:30:39,920 We put our cap in our hands and we beg forgiveness, 399 00:30:40,004 --> 00:30:41,714 and we promise it will never happen again. 400 00:30:41,797 --> 00:30:44,425 We do not fight back. 401 00:30:47,428 --> 00:30:49,889 And we forget those files exist. 402 00:30:56,687 --> 00:30:57,938 What files? 403 00:31:01,776 --> 00:31:03,694 [Storms] He must be loving this. 404 00:31:03,778 --> 00:31:05,571 - Who? - Joe Shea. 405 00:31:05,946 --> 00:31:09,075 I can't believe how he's been able to skate through all this unscathed. 406 00:31:11,077 --> 00:31:12,745 That's not what I hear, Stormy. 407 00:31:14,622 --> 00:31:20,252 From what I hear, Joe has been anything but unscathed. 408 00:31:21,337 --> 00:31:23,798 I'm okay. I'm fine. 409 00:31:24,965 --> 00:31:28,052 Well, it's just that you got a lot of people worried about you, Joe. 410 00:31:28,135 --> 00:31:31,722 Yeah? Well, I'm just a little overtired. That's all. 411 00:31:32,932 --> 00:31:35,643 Hey, I know, I know. Hell, we're all feeling the pressure. 412 00:31:35,726 --> 00:31:37,603 Hear about Ron Tucker? 413 00:31:37,686 --> 00:31:39,688 Got up in the middle of a review board meeting 414 00:31:39,772 --> 00:31:43,234 and started drawing an organizational chart of heaven on the blackboard. 415 00:31:43,317 --> 00:31:44,360 [chuckles] 416 00:31:44,443 --> 00:31:47,530 At the top goes God, who we'll call Big Daddy. 417 00:31:48,864 --> 00:31:51,242 Ron's eating soft food in a soft room now, 418 00:31:51,325 --> 00:31:53,536 but, hell, at least he's alive. 419 00:31:53,619 --> 00:31:55,663 Quality-control inspector out at the Cape 420 00:31:55,746 --> 00:31:58,249 that drove his whole family out in front of a train... 421 00:31:59,375 --> 00:32:00,918 wasn't so lucky. 422 00:32:02,336 --> 00:32:06,382 You, uh... You don't think I'm gonna snap like that, do you? 423 00:32:07,258 --> 00:32:09,510 Look, I don't know, Joe. Um... 424 00:32:11,011 --> 00:32:13,889 You know, a lot of people heard you say that 425 00:32:13,973 --> 00:32:16,434 you wished you'd been in the spacecraft with the guys. 426 00:32:17,017 --> 00:32:19,019 I'm not saying that I wish I was dead. 427 00:32:19,103 --> 00:32:22,481 No, no, no. That's... That's not what I'm saying at all. 428 00:32:23,357 --> 00:32:24,525 It's just... 429 00:32:29,196 --> 00:32:32,158 Forget it. What do they want me to do? 430 00:32:32,241 --> 00:32:34,368 - Who? - The three wise men. 431 00:32:34,452 --> 00:32:35,870 Webb, Seamans, Mueller. 432 00:32:35,953 --> 00:32:39,748 They think I've gone over the edge here. What would they like me to do? 433 00:32:40,458 --> 00:32:42,168 I don't know what they want you to do. 434 00:32:42,251 --> 00:32:44,462 I'll tell you what I think you should do. 435 00:32:44,545 --> 00:32:47,756 I think you should take a break. Just a leave of absence. 436 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,884 A couple of weeks and get some rest. 437 00:32:49,967 --> 00:32:51,385 No. No. 438 00:32:52,386 --> 00:32:53,512 - No. - [sighs] 439 00:32:53,596 --> 00:32:54,972 Come on, Joe. 440 00:32:56,223 --> 00:32:58,267 You said yourself you were overtired. 441 00:32:58,350 --> 00:33:01,479 Yeah, I got a lot of work to do. You see that desk there? 442 00:33:01,562 --> 00:33:02,563 [sighs] 443 00:33:03,606 --> 00:33:05,483 Well, then, maybe... 444 00:33:05,566 --> 00:33:10,279 I just think maybe you ought to just talk to somebody, you know? 445 00:33:11,739 --> 00:33:13,532 Maybe see a psychiatrist. 446 00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:19,079 You really do think I've cracked. 447 00:33:19,580 --> 00:33:21,749 It's just to put everybody's mind at ease. 448 00:33:21,832 --> 00:33:24,001 Fine, I'll see a psychiatrist. I'll see a couple. 449 00:33:24,084 --> 00:33:26,629 Why don't you bring on a whole platoon of psychiatrists? 450 00:33:26,712 --> 00:33:28,839 But I'm not leaving the program. Not voluntarily. 451 00:33:28,923 --> 00:33:30,466 Not till we get to the moon. 452 00:33:34,762 --> 00:33:36,514 Joe, I'm gonna come right to the point. 453 00:33:36,597 --> 00:33:39,058 We got letters from the two psychiatrists. 454 00:33:39,141 --> 00:33:40,309 It seems... 455 00:33:41,310 --> 00:33:44,146 It seems like you passed with flying colors. 456 00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:47,650 One of those psychiatrists complained that seeing you was a waste of his time. 457 00:33:47,733 --> 00:33:48,734 Yeah. 458 00:33:49,527 --> 00:33:53,447 Joe, I don't want you to think that this reflects on what I think of you. 459 00:33:53,531 --> 00:33:56,992 I mean, I honestly feel you're the most valuable man in NASA today. 460 00:33:57,660 --> 00:34:01,539 And that's why I'm gonna say what I'm gonna say. 461 00:34:02,998 --> 00:34:04,375 Joe... [sighs] 462 00:34:04,833 --> 00:34:08,629 NASA is about more than just going to the moon. 463 00:34:08,712 --> 00:34:12,091 We got the space station to think about and the manned mission to Mars. 464 00:34:12,174 --> 00:34:14,843 And I want you to be a part of all of that. 465 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:20,432 It's time you left the detail work behind, got involved in making policy. 466 00:34:20,516 --> 00:34:22,560 I want you to join me here in Washington, Joe. 467 00:34:23,060 --> 00:34:24,353 You'll be at the highest level. 468 00:34:24,436 --> 00:34:27,022 You won't have to report to anyone except maybe me. 469 00:34:28,148 --> 00:34:30,276 - What do you say? - [chuckles] 470 00:34:30,359 --> 00:34:32,278 What do I say? 471 00:34:32,361 --> 00:34:35,197 - How soon you want me? - How does now sound? 472 00:34:35,281 --> 00:34:36,949 That sounds great. 473 00:34:37,032 --> 00:34:40,160 - I mean, we got kids in school... - You don't have to decide right now. 474 00:34:40,244 --> 00:34:42,997 You can go back to the hotel, phone your wife, talk about it. 475 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,666 I'll call you tomorrow, all right? 476 00:34:46,417 --> 00:34:49,295 - Thanks. - Call you tomorrow. 477 00:35:01,682 --> 00:35:04,393 - Hey, Jim. You talk to Joe? - Yeah. 478 00:35:04,476 --> 00:35:06,061 - Did he bite? - Mm-hmm. 479 00:35:06,145 --> 00:35:08,981 And I feel like a complete and utter heel. 480 00:35:09,064 --> 00:35:12,443 It had to be done, Jim. We had to get him out of the way before the hearings. 481 00:35:12,526 --> 00:35:13,766 They'd have torn him to shreds. 482 00:35:13,819 --> 00:35:14,820 I don't know, George. 483 00:35:14,903 --> 00:35:17,615 Maybe these hearings aren't gonna be as horrible as we think. 484 00:35:17,698 --> 00:35:19,241 Look, I'll see you in the morning. 485 00:35:20,743 --> 00:35:23,287 Now, going back to your statement, Dr. Mueller, 486 00:35:23,370 --> 00:35:26,582 I think I understood you to say there were nearly 500 inspectors 487 00:35:26,665 --> 00:35:28,459 in the Apollo Program at the Cape. 488 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:30,961 Yes. 489 00:35:31,420 --> 00:35:33,589 Now, for the life of me, 490 00:35:33,672 --> 00:35:37,009 I cannot understand, with all those people, 491 00:35:37,092 --> 00:35:40,971 how a socket wrench could have gone undetected in the capsule 492 00:35:41,055 --> 00:35:43,682 from October until January the 27th. 493 00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:47,603 [clears throat] 494 00:35:50,564 --> 00:35:53,317 You're saying it was not because NASA was in a hurry. 495 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,362 - The contractor is responsible... - Wasn't that a failure? 496 00:35:56,445 --> 00:35:59,823 Did you consider cancellation of North American's contract? 497 00:36:00,741 --> 00:36:02,701 Wouldn't you say they were negligent? 498 00:36:02,785 --> 00:36:06,455 Sir, I have not found anyone at North American or NASA 499 00:36:06,538 --> 00:36:09,124 who would not give anything they had to prevent what happened. 500 00:36:09,208 --> 00:36:11,752 Yes, but there was negligence on the part of North American. 501 00:36:11,835 --> 00:36:13,253 Was there not? 502 00:36:14,296 --> 00:36:16,799 I don't see how you can call what they did negligence. 503 00:36:17,132 --> 00:36:19,802 Unless you mean that a company is negligent 504 00:36:19,885 --> 00:36:22,596 if 100% of its work is not done without a mistake. 505 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:27,101 As someone with extensive experience in testing experimental aircraft, 506 00:36:27,184 --> 00:36:30,646 I can tell you that that standard is just not achievable. 507 00:36:31,438 --> 00:36:35,275 So, I don't feel that negligence is the proper word. 508 00:36:36,193 --> 00:36:37,194 Thank you, Senator. 509 00:36:38,654 --> 00:36:39,988 Senator Mondale. 510 00:36:40,989 --> 00:36:44,034 [sighs] Well, it seems that my colleagues have asked 511 00:36:44,118 --> 00:36:45,786 all the questions I was going to ask. 512 00:36:49,123 --> 00:36:50,541 Except one. 513 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:56,088 Now, I have been told, and I would like to have this set straight if I'm wrong, 514 00:36:56,171 --> 00:36:57,339 that there was a report 515 00:36:57,423 --> 00:37:02,845 prepared for NASA by General Phillips in mid or late 1965 516 00:37:02,928 --> 00:37:06,056 which very strongly criticized the Apollo program 517 00:37:06,140 --> 00:37:07,599 for what were regarded as 518 00:37:07,683 --> 00:37:11,228 "very serious inadequacies in terms of quality control." 519 00:37:15,232 --> 00:37:16,734 Would you comment on that? 520 00:37:18,110 --> 00:37:19,945 Was there a Phillips report? 521 00:37:21,780 --> 00:37:23,240 Would you comment on that? 522 00:37:25,784 --> 00:37:26,827 Um... 523 00:37:27,578 --> 00:37:29,371 I'm not aware of it, sir. 524 00:37:30,414 --> 00:37:34,793 Is it then your testimony that no such unusual General Phillips report existed? 525 00:37:35,919 --> 00:37:38,422 Is this rumor unfounded? 526 00:37:39,757 --> 00:37:41,759 [softly] That's something we gotta take a look at. 527 00:37:46,555 --> 00:37:48,056 Let us look it up, sir. 528 00:37:48,140 --> 00:37:50,601 - Is there something somebody forgot? - It was a memo, Jim. 529 00:37:50,684 --> 00:37:52,478 - It wasn't a big deal. - It is now. 530 00:37:52,561 --> 00:37:55,022 It came out of the tiger team audit from North American. 531 00:37:55,105 --> 00:37:57,649 - It's old news. - It's still gonna be damaging to us! 532 00:37:58,233 --> 00:38:01,653 "I heard a rumor." Rumor, my foot. Probably got a copy in his hand. 533 00:38:02,279 --> 00:38:05,115 The only reason why he didn't throw it in front of me like Perry Mason 534 00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:07,618 is because he knows the fool thing is classified! 535 00:38:08,869 --> 00:38:10,120 He's gonna kill us. 536 00:38:11,205 --> 00:38:14,500 We're dead. We're dead before we even got off the damn launchpad. 537 00:38:14,583 --> 00:38:16,463 Hold on. We don't know what Anderson's thinking. 538 00:38:16,543 --> 00:38:18,629 He can steer the committee any way he wants. 539 00:38:18,712 --> 00:38:21,965 George, where were you this morning? He's got us twisting in the wind. 540 00:38:22,049 --> 00:38:24,635 Clinton Anderson has to worry about getting reelected 541 00:38:24,718 --> 00:38:26,345 just like everybody else. 542 00:38:27,930 --> 00:38:29,515 Who's left to testify? 543 00:38:29,598 --> 00:38:32,309 Lee Atwood and some of the folks from North American. 544 00:38:32,392 --> 00:38:34,978 They're gonna get torn to pieces right after lunch. 545 00:38:35,062 --> 00:38:37,523 And then there are some members of the review board. 546 00:38:37,606 --> 00:38:39,858 - Borman? - Frank's going at the end. 547 00:38:39,942 --> 00:38:41,902 That's good. Everybody loves an astronaut. 548 00:38:41,985 --> 00:38:43,695 Come on, George. Are you kidding me? 549 00:38:43,779 --> 00:38:45,989 You think Frank Borman's gonna paint a rosy picture? 550 00:38:46,073 --> 00:38:48,116 Hell, it could have been him in that spacecraft. 551 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:49,409 You're right. 552 00:38:49,827 --> 00:38:51,119 Where you going, Jim? 553 00:38:51,703 --> 00:38:54,915 I'm gonna do the only thing left for me to do. Beg for mercy. 554 00:38:56,542 --> 00:38:58,627 I'm sorry, Mr. Webb, but I've got a job to do, 555 00:38:58,710 --> 00:39:00,337 and I'm going to do it. 556 00:39:01,296 --> 00:39:05,175 With all due humility, Senator, what did we do wrong? 557 00:39:05,717 --> 00:39:09,179 - That's what I'm going to find out. - No. I mean, why are you so down on us? 558 00:39:10,347 --> 00:39:12,266 You and I are both Democrats. 559 00:39:13,100 --> 00:39:15,352 Going to the moon was Kennedy's dream. 560 00:39:15,435 --> 00:39:18,814 It was one of his dreams. Jack Kennedy had a lot of dreams. 561 00:39:18,897 --> 00:39:20,732 Do you really want to kill Apollo? 562 00:39:21,441 --> 00:39:24,778 No. I'll tell you what I want, Mr. Webb. 563 00:39:24,862 --> 00:39:28,198 I want no more American children going hungry in any of our cities. 564 00:39:28,657 --> 00:39:31,493 I want to do something about our boys dying halfway around the world. 565 00:39:32,119 --> 00:39:33,829 I want to do a lot of things. 566 00:39:33,912 --> 00:39:36,248 And if getting what I want means we don't go to the moon... 567 00:39:37,332 --> 00:39:38,667 then so be it. 568 00:39:38,750 --> 00:39:40,586 [crowd chattering] 569 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,322 [chattering stops] 570 00:40:09,656 --> 00:40:12,534 Colonel Borman, would you have entered the spacecraft 571 00:40:12,618 --> 00:40:15,162 on the morning of the accident if your turn had been called? 572 00:40:16,121 --> 00:40:17,331 Yes, sir. 573 00:40:17,414 --> 00:40:19,124 Would you have had any hesitancy? 574 00:40:20,292 --> 00:40:21,293 No, sir. 575 00:40:23,045 --> 00:40:25,380 Were there defects in workmanship? 576 00:40:26,048 --> 00:40:27,049 There were. 577 00:40:27,966 --> 00:40:30,594 And did these defects go beyond workmanship? 578 00:40:31,053 --> 00:40:32,971 Yes, sir. There were defects in design. 579 00:40:35,265 --> 00:40:38,226 If you had entered the spacecraft on that morning, 580 00:40:39,019 --> 00:40:42,022 would you have been motivated by a desire to take risks? 581 00:40:43,649 --> 00:40:44,650 No, sir. 582 00:40:46,151 --> 00:40:50,238 Sometimes there are, uh, romantic, silk-scarf notions 583 00:40:50,322 --> 00:40:54,660 attributed to this business, but, uh, we're professionals. 584 00:40:55,577 --> 00:40:58,914 We'll accept risk, certainly, but not undue risk. 585 00:40:58,997 --> 00:41:00,499 Let me rephrase the question. 586 00:41:01,375 --> 00:41:05,045 Knowing what you know now, would you have entered that spacecraft? 587 00:41:07,547 --> 00:41:08,548 No, sir. 588 00:41:10,175 --> 00:41:11,885 [people murmuring] 589 00:41:13,553 --> 00:41:14,596 Colonel Borman, 590 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,600 how did Commander Grissom and his crew feel about the readiness of the vehicle? 591 00:41:18,684 --> 00:41:21,436 I talked to Ed White shortly before the accident. 592 00:41:22,104 --> 00:41:25,983 Uh... He thought they were over most of their problems and on their way. 593 00:41:26,066 --> 00:41:30,862 Colonel, didn't Commander Grissom once hang a lemon on the simulator? 594 00:41:33,782 --> 00:41:35,784 You, uh... You had to know Gus. 595 00:41:35,867 --> 00:41:38,203 Did Commander Grissom hang a lemon on the simulator? 596 00:41:39,162 --> 00:41:40,163 Yes, sir. 597 00:41:40,622 --> 00:41:42,457 Tell us about him, Colonel. 598 00:41:44,209 --> 00:41:46,211 Sorry, Senator, I have a couple quick questions. 599 00:41:46,294 --> 00:41:48,171 Would you yield for a minute or two? 600 00:41:48,255 --> 00:41:50,090 - Actually, Mr. Chairman, I... - Thanks. 601 00:41:54,344 --> 00:41:56,722 Colonel Borman, you just said, 602 00:41:56,805 --> 00:41:58,557 "You had to know Gus." 603 00:41:59,474 --> 00:42:03,645 And I think that that's been missing in here these past two days. 604 00:42:03,729 --> 00:42:06,314 I'd like for the record to contain at least a little bit 605 00:42:06,398 --> 00:42:08,734 about the men who perished in that fire. 606 00:42:09,526 --> 00:42:11,236 Colonel, could you do that for us? 607 00:42:14,031 --> 00:42:15,073 [clears throat] 608 00:42:16,158 --> 00:42:17,451 Um... 609 00:42:17,534 --> 00:42:20,871 Gus Grissom was the first astronaut to be asked to fly three times. 610 00:42:21,371 --> 00:42:22,914 Mercury, Gemini and Apollo. 611 00:42:23,874 --> 00:42:25,333 He loved being an astronaut. 612 00:42:26,501 --> 00:42:30,589 Except for the publicity and being on display that comes with the job. 613 00:42:32,758 --> 00:42:37,012 There are no front windows on the house he built for Betty in Timber Cove 614 00:42:37,095 --> 00:42:39,973 because he didn't want people looking in. 615 00:42:40,766 --> 00:42:43,810 Now, if that gives you the impression that Gus was a cranky SOB, 616 00:42:43,894 --> 00:42:46,104 well, he was at times. 617 00:42:48,106 --> 00:42:50,108 But I would have trusted him with my life. 618 00:42:53,070 --> 00:42:57,365 Ed White was a big man for an astronaut. 619 00:42:58,241 --> 00:42:59,910 A shade under six feet. 620 00:43:00,744 --> 00:43:02,037 An exceptional athlete. 621 00:43:02,829 --> 00:43:06,666 As you all know, Ed was the first American to walk in space. 622 00:43:08,919 --> 00:43:12,589 There was a story going around that when he was on his space walk, 623 00:43:12,672 --> 00:43:17,052 he stayed out after he'd been ordered in because he was having such a good time. 624 00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:19,971 It's a funny story. 625 00:43:20,055 --> 00:43:23,016 But it would have meant that Ed White disobeyed an order. 626 00:43:25,143 --> 00:43:26,353 Not gonna happen. 627 00:43:27,312 --> 00:43:28,939 Ed was a West Point man. 628 00:43:29,314 --> 00:43:33,443 And duty, honor, country weren't just words to him, they were him. 629 00:43:35,278 --> 00:43:36,947 He was one of my closest friends. 630 00:43:38,156 --> 00:43:39,199 Uh... 631 00:43:39,282 --> 00:43:41,118 Roger Chaffee, I, uh... 632 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,830 I didn't know that well. He was one of the new guys. 633 00:43:46,081 --> 00:43:48,250 Very energetic, very excited. 634 00:43:50,127 --> 00:43:51,670 I heard a story about him though. 635 00:43:51,753 --> 00:43:54,840 He was out on Long Island visiting the Grumman facility 636 00:43:54,923 --> 00:43:58,093 where they're building the descent stage for the lunar module. 637 00:43:58,176 --> 00:44:00,762 And he saw a group of men standing in a corner. 638 00:44:02,013 --> 00:44:06,351 Well, he found out these were the fellas that make the tools 639 00:44:06,434 --> 00:44:07,936 that make the machines. 640 00:44:09,104 --> 00:44:12,566 None of the bigwigs being escorted through there ever talked to these guys. 641 00:44:13,358 --> 00:44:15,068 But Roger went over and made them feel 642 00:44:15,152 --> 00:44:17,737 like they were the most important part of the program. 643 00:44:25,078 --> 00:44:27,372 Colonel, this isn't a court of law, 644 00:44:27,455 --> 00:44:31,459 so I can ask you something that's completely hypothetical. 645 00:44:32,919 --> 00:44:37,632 If we could somehow reach beyond the wall of death... 646 00:44:38,675 --> 00:44:41,636 and talk to Grissom, White and Chaffee, 647 00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:44,556 what do you imagine they would say about the fire? 648 00:44:45,765 --> 00:44:49,102 I was, uh... I was hoping someone would ask that. 649 00:44:49,186 --> 00:44:52,397 I don't know what Roger or Ed would say, 650 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,693 but, uh, I can let Gus speak for himself. 651 00:44:56,776 --> 00:44:59,696 Back in January, he talked to a group of reporters. 652 00:44:59,779 --> 00:45:03,033 They asked him about the dangers involved in going to the moon. 653 00:45:03,116 --> 00:45:04,910 it will not delay the program. 654 00:45:05,285 --> 00:45:07,913 The conquest of space is worth the risk of life. 655 00:45:08,622 --> 00:45:12,542 Our God-given curiosity will force us to go there ourselves because, 656 00:45:13,210 --> 00:45:16,796 in the final analysis, only man can fully evaluate the moon 657 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,216 in terms understandable to other men. 658 00:45:22,594 --> 00:45:24,387 Colonel, at the risk of being gruesome, 659 00:45:24,471 --> 00:45:27,599 we've heard about the fire from everyone who was there. 660 00:45:28,099 --> 00:45:31,061 Everyone except the astronauts themselves, of course. 661 00:45:32,354 --> 00:45:34,189 Can you tell us what they went through? 662 00:45:34,773 --> 00:45:36,233 What it was like for them? 663 00:45:36,775 --> 00:45:40,445 I can only tell you what we know, or at least what we think we know. 664 00:45:41,613 --> 00:45:42,614 Uh... 665 00:45:42,697 --> 00:45:46,534 When it happened, they were just waiting for the test to resume. 666 00:45:57,170 --> 00:46:00,632 How are we gonna get to the moon if we can't talk between three buildings? 667 00:46:02,300 --> 00:46:04,135 [indistinct radio chatter] 668 00:46:04,219 --> 00:46:07,013 I can't hear a thing you're saying. Jesus Christ. 669 00:46:07,097 --> 00:46:09,391 I said, how are we gonna get to the moon 670 00:46:09,474 --> 00:46:12,143 if we can't talk between two or three buildings? 671 00:46:12,227 --> 00:46:13,645 [radio crackling] 672 00:46:17,941 --> 00:46:20,235 They wouldn't have seen the spark that started the fire 673 00:46:20,318 --> 00:46:23,905 because it was behind a panel door down below Gus's feet. 674 00:46:24,531 --> 00:46:26,032 Because of the oxygen, 675 00:46:26,116 --> 00:46:30,453 the spark was able to jump out to the nylon netting under the seats. 676 00:46:30,537 --> 00:46:33,498 Gus probably saw it first because it was closest to him. 677 00:46:35,667 --> 00:46:36,668 Fire! 678 00:46:37,585 --> 00:46:39,296 We got a fire in the cockpit! 679 00:46:40,547 --> 00:46:44,384 The procedure would have had Gus push down Ed's headrest 680 00:46:44,843 --> 00:46:47,262 so that Ed could start turning the latch handle. 681 00:46:50,682 --> 00:46:52,100 We got a bad fire! 682 00:47:10,994 --> 00:47:12,329 We're burning up! 683 00:47:13,538 --> 00:47:17,083 [Borman] By now, the, uh, temperature and the pressure were astronomical. 684 00:47:19,044 --> 00:47:20,045 Let's get out! 685 00:47:30,055 --> 00:47:32,807 [breathing heavily, clock ticking] 686 00:47:36,353 --> 00:47:38,772 [flames roaring] 687 00:47:50,784 --> 00:47:52,118 Now... 688 00:47:53,286 --> 00:47:57,290 it just took me a minute or more to tell you all that. 689 00:47:58,917 --> 00:48:03,338 In actuality, from the first mention of the fire to the rupture of the hull, 690 00:48:03,421 --> 00:48:05,048 only 15 seconds went by. 691 00:48:11,137 --> 00:48:14,057 Colonel, what caused the fire? 692 00:48:14,140 --> 00:48:17,060 I'm not talking about wires and oxygen. 693 00:48:17,936 --> 00:48:22,148 It seems that some people think that NASA pressured North American 694 00:48:22,232 --> 00:48:25,193 to meet unrealistic and arbitrary deadlines. 695 00:48:25,276 --> 00:48:29,531 And that in turn, North American allowed safety to be compromised. 696 00:48:30,657 --> 00:48:33,368 I won't deny that there's been pressure to meet deadlines. 697 00:48:34,119 --> 00:48:36,538 But safety has never been intentionally compromised. 698 00:48:37,414 --> 00:48:38,832 Then what caused the fire? 699 00:48:41,584 --> 00:48:42,961 A failure of imagination. 700 00:48:44,587 --> 00:48:48,258 We've always known there was the possibility of fire in a spacecraft. 701 00:48:48,341 --> 00:48:50,885 But the fear was always that it would happen in space 702 00:48:50,969 --> 00:48:54,180 when you're 180 miles from Terra firma and the nearest fire station. 703 00:48:54,848 --> 00:48:56,391 That was the worry. 704 00:48:57,475 --> 00:49:00,186 No one ever imagined that it would happen on the ground. 705 00:49:00,270 --> 00:49:03,857 If anyone had thought of it, the test would've been classified as hazardous. 706 00:49:04,691 --> 00:49:07,569 But it wasn't. We just didn't think of it. 707 00:49:09,737 --> 00:49:11,364 Now, whose fault is that? 708 00:49:13,241 --> 00:49:15,034 Well, it's North American's fault. 709 00:49:16,286 --> 00:49:17,787 It's NASA's fault. 710 00:49:18,746 --> 00:49:21,958 It's the fault of every person who ever worked on Apollo. 711 00:49:23,668 --> 00:49:27,338 It's my fault. I didn't think the test was hazardous. 712 00:49:28,882 --> 00:49:30,133 No one did. 713 00:49:32,010 --> 00:49:33,386 I wish to God we had. 714 00:49:38,516 --> 00:49:40,685 Now, before we all go home, 715 00:49:41,436 --> 00:49:43,980 is there any statement you personally would like to make? 716 00:49:46,107 --> 00:49:49,944 I think I'm safe in speaking for all the astronauts when I say that... 717 00:49:51,362 --> 00:49:53,114 we're confident in our management, 718 00:49:53,698 --> 00:49:55,283 we're confident in our training, 719 00:49:55,366 --> 00:49:57,660 in our engineering and in ourselves. 720 00:49:59,245 --> 00:50:02,790 The real question is, are you confident in us? 721 00:50:07,587 --> 00:50:09,797 What do you think we should do, Colonel? 722 00:50:12,091 --> 00:50:16,012 I think you should stop this witch hunt and let us go to the moon. 723 00:50:16,095 --> 00:50:17,347 [applause] 724 00:50:20,475 --> 00:50:21,809 Please. 725 00:50:21,893 --> 00:50:25,688 Please. Senator Mondale, back to you. 726 00:50:27,232 --> 00:50:28,525 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 727 00:50:33,196 --> 00:50:34,739 I have nothing further. 728 00:50:35,615 --> 00:50:36,950 [Anderson] Thank you, Colonel. 729 00:50:38,409 --> 00:50:40,119 [overlapping chatter] 730 00:50:50,296 --> 00:50:52,131 [children playing outside] 731 00:50:58,012 --> 00:50:59,180 Those are beautiful. 732 00:50:59,889 --> 00:51:01,474 Well, thank you, dear. 733 00:51:01,975 --> 00:51:03,142 Who called? 734 00:51:03,977 --> 00:51:05,019 Lee Atwood. 735 00:51:06,479 --> 00:51:07,772 He wants to see me. 736 00:51:08,731 --> 00:51:09,941 On a Sunday? 737 00:51:11,609 --> 00:51:12,944 I think this is it. 738 00:51:15,154 --> 00:51:16,489 [sighs] 739 00:51:22,036 --> 00:51:23,162 [sobs] 740 00:51:26,332 --> 00:51:28,543 I wanted to see it through to the landing. 741 00:51:31,379 --> 00:51:32,505 Goddamn it. 742 00:51:53,276 --> 00:51:55,403 - [buzzer] - [woman] Mr. Shea. 743 00:51:57,363 --> 00:52:00,033 - Yeah? - There's a Mr. Storms to see you. 744 00:52:01,034 --> 00:52:03,119 [thunder rumbling] 745 00:52:03,202 --> 00:52:05,455 Well, they said I wouldn't have to report to anyone. 746 00:52:05,538 --> 00:52:08,708 The trouble, of course, is there's no one to report to me either. 747 00:52:08,791 --> 00:52:12,378 - So, what do you do? - I go to the movies and I go to museums. 748 00:52:12,462 --> 00:52:15,715 There's a lot of damn fine museums in this town. Did you know that? 749 00:52:15,798 --> 00:52:17,675 Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think I've heard that. 750 00:52:18,509 --> 00:52:21,429 - So, what's next? - Oh, I'm getting out. 751 00:52:21,512 --> 00:52:23,556 I joined a company in Boston. 752 00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:24,974 How about you? 753 00:52:25,058 --> 00:52:28,144 Well, they moved me over to the brake yard. I'm still a VP, but... 754 00:52:28,227 --> 00:52:32,023 I still talk with my old buddies over at the space division now and then. 755 00:52:32,106 --> 00:52:35,943 And, you know, they say that things have really improved since the fire. 756 00:52:36,027 --> 00:52:38,321 Everybody's working together better than ever. 757 00:52:38,404 --> 00:52:41,407 There's a whole new sense of purpose, a sense of relief. 758 00:52:41,491 --> 00:52:42,575 Relief? 759 00:52:43,201 --> 00:52:45,620 Well, everyone knew an accident was inevitable, Joe. 760 00:52:45,703 --> 00:52:50,083 I know. I talked to some UPI reporters a couple of weeks before the fire. 761 00:52:51,167 --> 00:52:55,546 I said to them that I believed some kind of accident was probably inevitable. 762 00:52:56,798 --> 00:53:00,843 I also said I thought it would be harder on those of us on the ground. 763 00:53:01,594 --> 00:53:04,263 The astronauts are dead, God rest them, 764 00:53:04,347 --> 00:53:08,643 but we have to live with the knowledge we could've done something different. 765 00:53:08,726 --> 00:53:10,687 There's nothing you could've done, Joe. 766 00:53:12,021 --> 00:53:14,774 I could have been in the cockpit that day, Stormy. 767 00:53:18,653 --> 00:53:22,323 Why is it every time I say that, people assume I mean I wish I were dead? 768 00:53:23,574 --> 00:53:26,452 The fire started on the left side 769 00:53:26,536 --> 00:53:28,538 - below Gus's feet, right? - Yeah. 770 00:53:28,621 --> 00:53:30,623 Well, if I'd been on the spacecraft that day, 771 00:53:30,707 --> 00:53:32,917 I would've been lying below the footrest, 772 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,544 right there where it started. 773 00:53:35,128 --> 00:53:37,338 Figure I had a 50-50 chance of putting the fire out 774 00:53:37,422 --> 00:53:39,716 before it got out of control. 775 00:53:39,799 --> 00:53:43,553 My years in flight test, I saw a number of crews slam into the desert floor. 776 00:53:45,513 --> 00:53:46,806 Too many. 777 00:53:47,515 --> 00:53:50,935 I love those guys, you know, and each time that happened, I wanted to die. 778 00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:55,898 But I've learned that you've gotta let go of the "what ifs." 779 00:53:56,774 --> 00:53:59,652 They're meaningless, and they'll kill you. 780 00:54:02,113 --> 00:54:03,114 Yeah. 781 00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:11,205 [Shea] it really meant a lot you coming by, Stormy. 782 00:54:11,289 --> 00:54:14,041 - I know we didn't always see eye to eye. - Oh... 783 00:54:15,793 --> 00:54:16,878 [chuckles] 784 00:54:18,588 --> 00:54:20,047 I got mine up in the den. 785 00:54:20,131 --> 00:54:23,092 Yeah? I'm thinking about the front hall. 786 00:54:24,844 --> 00:54:26,763 You had to know it was Gus's idea. 787 00:54:35,062 --> 00:54:36,439 Take care. 788 00:54:36,814 --> 00:54:38,316 - Good luck. - You too. 789 00:54:40,651 --> 00:54:41,652 Bye, Joe. 790 00:54:48,951 --> 00:54:51,746 Okay, well, then that leaves only one very important thing, 791 00:54:51,829 --> 00:54:54,207 which is, of course, who's paying for dinner. 792 00:54:54,290 --> 00:54:55,708 North American, I guess. 793 00:54:57,376 --> 00:54:58,836 That didn't take long. 794 00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,172 Uh, wait, gentlemen, before we go, 795 00:55:01,255 --> 00:55:03,299 Roger, Ed and I have a little presentation 796 00:55:03,382 --> 00:55:05,593 we'd like to make to Joe and Stormy here. 797 00:55:05,676 --> 00:55:08,012 - Oh, yeah? - It's not a lot. 798 00:55:08,095 --> 00:55:10,223 - Just a little something from us. - That's very nice. 799 00:55:10,306 --> 00:55:12,433 From us to you. A little something from the guys. 800 00:55:12,517 --> 00:55:13,893 Plain brown paper. 801 00:55:13,976 --> 00:55:17,146 - I don't know, I'm a little nervous. - Frightened for my life, why is that? 802 00:55:17,230 --> 00:55:19,649 - Because you know us. - It's not ticking, is it? 803 00:55:20,149 --> 00:55:22,443 All those designs for the power steering, I'll bet. 804 00:55:22,527 --> 00:55:23,945 [laughter] 805 00:55:25,446 --> 00:55:27,573 Look at that. Oh, that's great. 806 00:55:27,657 --> 00:55:31,536 Wow. That's very funny, you guys. Thank you. 807 00:55:31,994 --> 00:55:34,330 - We have absolute faith in you, really. - Yeah, right. 808 00:55:36,999 --> 00:55:38,959 - [Shea] Thank you. - Thank you. That's very nice. 809 00:55:40,086 --> 00:55:41,646 "It isn't that we don't trust you, Joe, 810 00:55:41,712 --> 00:55:44,549 but this time we've decided to go over your head." 811 00:55:52,598 --> 00:55:55,017 I got a call from some woman at NASA, Deke. 812 00:55:55,101 --> 00:55:57,895 They say they don't want to call it Apollo 1 because it never flew. 813 00:55:58,688 --> 00:56:01,023 They're gonna call it Apollo 2-0... 814 00:56:01,107 --> 00:56:04,610 Two-oh-four. That was the internal designation. 815 00:56:05,444 --> 00:56:08,656 It's like they already want people to forget it ever even happened. 816 00:56:12,660 --> 00:56:15,413 This is the reason we wanted to see you, Deke. 817 00:56:17,874 --> 00:56:18,875 [chuckles] 818 00:56:19,333 --> 00:56:20,543 Open it. 819 00:56:26,424 --> 00:56:28,134 It's an astronaut pin. 820 00:56:31,971 --> 00:56:35,057 The guys knew you would never get into space 'cause of your heart problem. 821 00:56:35,808 --> 00:56:37,268 But they wanted you to know 822 00:56:37,351 --> 00:56:40,271 that they considered you as much of an astronaut as any of them. 823 00:56:42,607 --> 00:56:45,026 They were gonna give that to you when they got back. 65271

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