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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:12,081 --> 00:00:14,641 TANYA: Hello, I'm Tanya Hart, and welcome to our show. 2 00:00:14,635 --> 00:00:18,285 My guest today has experienced truly horrendous life 3 00:00:18,294 --> 00:00:20,304 to just be 20 years old. 4 00:00:20,296 --> 00:00:22,156 His family portrait could well be a poster 5 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:23,750 for America's Most Wanted. 6 00:00:23,747 --> 00:00:25,987 Please welcome a very streetwise young man 7 00:00:25,991 --> 00:00:28,301 who wants to make a difference for all Black people. 8 00:00:28,304 --> 00:00:29,654 - What's up? - Tupac Shakur. 9 00:00:29,650 --> 00:00:30,550 Welcome to our show. 10 00:00:30,547 --> 00:00:32,577 Thank you. I love it. 11 00:00:32,584 --> 00:00:34,484 Boy, you know, I gotta tell you, 12 00:00:34,482 --> 00:00:36,552 I heard about what happened to you 13 00:00:36,553 --> 00:00:38,043 as a young man. 14 00:00:38,038 --> 00:00:40,558 In retrospect, how would you say 15 00:00:40,557 --> 00:00:42,697 that your life has been? 16 00:00:42,697 --> 00:00:46,667 I would say it's been like a test on my faith. 17 00:00:46,667 --> 00:00:48,667 You know what I'm saying? You know how, 18 00:00:48,669 --> 00:00:51,049 I guess his name was Job in the Bible, 19 00:00:51,051 --> 00:00:53,361 who God just did all of this crazy stuff to him 20 00:00:53,363 --> 00:00:54,783 just to make sure his faith was straight. 21 00:00:54,778 --> 00:00:56,368 And that's how it was. It made me-- 22 00:00:56,366 --> 00:00:58,436 If I didn't have all of this stuff, 23 00:00:58,437 --> 00:01:01,027 I don't think that my feet would have been so firm. 24 00:01:01,026 --> 00:01:02,506 - TANYA: Yeah. - If God ain't finished with me yet... 25 00:01:02,510 --> 00:01:04,030 TUPAC: ...let Him check me. 26 00:01:04,029 --> 00:01:05,719 MAN: Your socks are high, dude. 27 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,690 BILLY: Yeah, make sure y'all get the socks, man. 28 00:01:08,689 --> 00:01:11,379 PRODUCER: So, Billy, what is your relation to Tupac? 29 00:01:11,381 --> 00:01:14,421 BILLY: I am Tupac's oldest cousin. 30 00:01:14,419 --> 00:01:16,729 I'm eight years older than him, so... 31 00:01:16,731 --> 00:01:19,251 before he became who everybody know him as, 32 00:01:19,251 --> 00:01:21,051 he was like this little dude 33 00:01:21,046 --> 00:01:23,046 who used to follow me everywhere. 34 00:01:23,048 --> 00:01:25,398 And I'd be, like, "Man, you can't go with me, man. 35 00:01:25,395 --> 00:01:26,805 I'm getting ready to go do crime. 36 00:01:26,810 --> 00:01:28,740 You can't come with me to do crime." 37 00:01:28,743 --> 00:01:33,403 But I didn't really feel responsible about his safety 38 00:01:33,403 --> 00:01:38,063 until... Halloween night, 1993. 39 00:01:38,063 --> 00:01:39,443 [distant police sirens wail] 40 00:01:39,444 --> 00:01:41,484 I had just got out of jail, 41 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,660 and I hadn't seen Pac for several years. 42 00:01:43,655 --> 00:01:46,415 My family had a ticket for me to come to Atlanta. 43 00:01:46,416 --> 00:01:48,796 That's where he's performing a show. 44 00:01:48,798 --> 00:01:50,488 - [crowd screaming] - DANTE: Great night. 45 00:01:50,489 --> 00:01:53,149 First thing I see, panties flying. 46 00:01:53,147 --> 00:01:56,387 But the night was too good to be true. 47 00:01:56,392 --> 00:01:58,332 BILLY: Tupac ends up getting into a beef 48 00:01:58,325 --> 00:02:00,565 with the security guards about smoking this weed. 49 00:02:00,568 --> 00:02:02,638 So we cut the show short... 50 00:02:02,639 --> 00:02:06,129 - Fuck you, motherfuckers! - [all shouting angrily] 51 00:02:06,126 --> 00:02:08,776 BILLY: ...and we left with six or seven carloads full of people. 52 00:02:08,783 --> 00:02:11,343 DANTE: "Yo, we at such-and-such. Follow us to the room." 53 00:02:11,338 --> 00:02:13,748 BILLY: We're getting ready to take a left into the hotel, 54 00:02:13,754 --> 00:02:15,794 but we can't 'cause there's a Black man 55 00:02:15,790 --> 00:02:18,520 arguing with two White men. 56 00:02:18,517 --> 00:02:21,657 He pushed him. He'll push him. It looked corny, but Pac still got out. 57 00:02:21,658 --> 00:02:23,318 [car door sensor dinging] 58 00:02:24,765 --> 00:02:27,345 BILLY: At that very moment, 59 00:02:27,354 --> 00:02:31,464 one of the White guys hit the Black dude in the jaw. 60 00:02:31,461 --> 00:02:34,261 And when Pac saw that, he freaked out. 61 00:02:34,257 --> 00:02:36,667 DANTE: The Black dude took off, started running. 62 00:02:36,673 --> 00:02:39,193 BILLY: One of the White guys pulled his gun out on Pac 63 00:02:39,193 --> 00:02:40,713 and told him to run. 64 00:02:40,712 --> 00:02:43,342 And that's when Pac pulled up his shirt: 65 00:02:43,335 --> 00:02:44,675 "This is thug life. I don't run nowhere." 66 00:02:44,681 --> 00:02:46,511 The dude took the gun and bang! 67 00:02:46,511 --> 00:02:48,551 BILLY: Cracks the car window out. 68 00:02:48,547 --> 00:02:49,577 And started running. 69 00:02:49,583 --> 00:02:51,313 Right past me. 70 00:02:51,309 --> 00:02:52,829 So Tupac goes... 71 00:02:52,827 --> 00:02:54,517 "I want my gun. Give me my gun." 72 00:02:54,519 --> 00:02:55,659 BILLY: No. 73 00:02:55,658 --> 00:02:57,348 Nobody wanted to hand it to him. 74 00:02:57,349 --> 00:02:59,829 He goes around and get it hisself. 75 00:02:59,834 --> 00:03:01,184 [car door sensor dinging] 76 00:03:01,181 --> 00:03:03,291 No, no, no, no. 77 00:03:03,286 --> 00:03:05,316 BILLY: They, like, 40 feet away and it's dark. 78 00:03:05,323 --> 00:03:07,883 And Tupac gets down on one knee. 79 00:03:07,877 --> 00:03:10,737 - One knee. - BILLY: He aims. 80 00:03:10,742 --> 00:03:11,612 You're not going to hit the-- 81 00:03:11,605 --> 00:03:14,325 Bang, bang, bang! 82 00:03:14,332 --> 00:03:16,162 BILLY: Three shots. 83 00:03:16,161 --> 00:03:18,471 Just like a marksman. Trained. 84 00:03:18,474 --> 00:03:20,824 DANTE: All I remember seeing was fire coming from the gun. 85 00:03:20,821 --> 00:03:24,761 BILLY: He takes his gun, slams it on the ground, 86 00:03:24,756 --> 00:03:28,346 and I picked it up and said, "You missed. You missed. I know you missed." 87 00:03:28,346 --> 00:03:29,826 He said, "Nah. I got him. I got him." 88 00:03:29,830 --> 00:03:31,560 DANTE: So he's sitting there... 89 00:03:31,556 --> 00:03:33,206 - [car door sensor dinging] - [exhaling] 90 00:03:33,213 --> 00:03:35,423 ..."Let's go, cuz." 91 00:03:35,422 --> 00:03:37,492 So I'm thinking we about to skirt off. 92 00:03:37,493 --> 00:03:39,533 - [car doors slam] - But we makes the left 93 00:03:39,529 --> 00:03:41,669 to go in the hotel room. 94 00:03:41,669 --> 00:03:43,669 BILLY: Now we at the hotel, and I look outside 95 00:03:43,671 --> 00:03:46,741 and I see police all over the place. 96 00:03:46,743 --> 00:03:50,263 And I could see they're comin' upstairs to the room. 97 00:03:50,264 --> 00:03:52,724 The room is full of people. 98 00:03:52,715 --> 00:03:54,535 Everybody is excited. 99 00:03:54,544 --> 00:03:56,624 They just saw somebody get shot. 100 00:03:56,615 --> 00:03:59,645 But Tupac, he's calm. 101 00:04:02,863 --> 00:04:04,523 DANTE: Cloud of smoke. 102 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:05,520 [exhaling] 103 00:04:05,521 --> 00:04:07,281 Weed. 104 00:04:07,281 --> 00:04:08,631 BILLY: His face is blank. 105 00:04:08,627 --> 00:04:10,597 DANTE: Not talking about it. 106 00:04:10,595 --> 00:04:12,555 BILLY: He's like in a peaceful trance. 107 00:04:12,562 --> 00:04:15,772 But I can hear the cops outside the door. 108 00:04:15,772 --> 00:04:18,502 Suddenly, he says, 109 00:04:18,499 --> 00:04:23,539 "Yo, wait a minute. I want everybody to hear my new song." 110 00:04:23,539 --> 00:04:26,779 DANTE: Song? We're going to jail. This is over. 111 00:04:26,783 --> 00:04:29,553 The song he played for the very first time... 112 00:04:29,545 --> 00:04:31,365 TUPAC: It's a love song. 113 00:04:31,374 --> 00:04:33,314 DANTE: ...with the police at the door 114 00:04:33,307 --> 00:04:34,757 was "Dear Mama." 115 00:04:34,757 --> 00:04:36,477 - TUPAC: Dear Mama. -"Dear Mama." 116 00:04:36,483 --> 00:04:38,313 Into it. Vibing. Smoking. 117 00:04:38,312 --> 00:04:40,562 - He's grooving now. - Listen, listen. 118 00:04:40,556 --> 00:04:44,556 He has no connection to what he just did. 119 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,730 That was the first time I realized... 120 00:04:46,734 --> 00:04:49,294 - TUPAC: Dear Mama. - ...that that motherfucker was for real. 121 00:04:49,289 --> 00:04:51,949 That he's gonna protect Black people. Period. 122 00:04:51,946 --> 00:04:53,666 TUPAC: Dear Mama. 123 00:04:53,672 --> 00:04:55,642 BILLY: That was how he was raised. 124 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,750 ["Dear Mama" by 2Pac playing] 125 00:04:57,745 --> 00:05:00,325 ♪ When I was young Me and my mama had beef ♪ 126 00:05:00,334 --> 00:05:02,514 ♪ 17 years old Kicked out on the streets ♪ 127 00:05:02,509 --> 00:05:04,579 ♪ Though back at the time 128 00:05:04,580 --> 00:05:05,620 ♪ I never thought I'd see her face ♪ 129 00:05:05,615 --> 00:05:07,575 ♪ Ain't a woman alive 130 00:05:07,583 --> 00:05:08,653 ♪ That could take My mama's place ♪ 131 00:05:08,653 --> 00:05:10,313 ♪ Suspended from school 132 00:05:10,310 --> 00:05:11,760 ♪ I'm scared to go home 133 00:05:11,759 --> 00:05:13,309 ♪ I was the fool With the big boys ♪ 134 00:05:13,313 --> 00:05:15,323 ♪ Breaking all the rules 135 00:05:15,315 --> 00:05:17,555 ♪ I shed tears With my baby sister ♪ 136 00:05:17,558 --> 00:05:20,528 ♪ Over the years we was poorer Than the other little kids ♪ 137 00:05:20,527 --> 00:05:22,457 ♪ And even though we had Different daddies ♪ 138 00:05:22,460 --> 00:05:24,530 ♪ The same drama 139 00:05:24,531 --> 00:05:26,361 ♪ When things went wrong We blamed Mama ♪ 140 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:27,840 ♪ I reminisce On the stress I caused ♪ 141 00:05:27,844 --> 00:05:29,884 ♪ It was hell 142 00:05:29,881 --> 00:05:32,501 ♪ Hugging on my mama From a jail cell ♪ 143 00:05:32,504 --> 00:05:34,784 ♪ And who'd think In elementary ♪ 144 00:05:34,782 --> 00:05:37,512 ♪ Hey, I'd see The penitentiary? ♪ 145 00:05:37,509 --> 00:05:39,649 ♪ One day running From the police ♪ 146 00:05:39,649 --> 00:05:41,619 ♪ That's right 147 00:05:41,617 --> 00:05:44,307 ♪ Mama catch me Put a whupping to my backside ♪ 148 00:05:44,309 --> 00:05:46,859 ♪ And even as a crack fiend 149 00:05:46,863 --> 00:05:50,383 ♪ Mama, you always Was a Black queen, Mama ♪ 150 00:05:50,384 --> 00:05:52,844 ♪ I finally understand For a woman it ain't easy ♪ 151 00:05:52,835 --> 00:05:55,355 ♪ Trying to raise a man 152 00:05:55,355 --> 00:05:57,075 ♪ You always was committed 153 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,320 ♪ A poor single mother On welfare ♪ 154 00:05:59,324 --> 00:06:01,404 ♪ Tell me how you did it 155 00:06:01,395 --> 00:06:03,395 ♪ There's no way I can pay you back ♪ 156 00:06:03,397 --> 00:06:05,737 ♪ But the plan is to show you That I understand ♪ 157 00:06:05,744 --> 00:06:07,304 ♪ You are appreciated 158 00:06:09,645 --> 00:06:11,675 ♪ Don't you know We love you, sweet lady ♪ 159 00:06:11,681 --> 00:06:14,551 ♪ Dear Mama 160 00:06:14,546 --> 00:06:16,546 ♪ Free you from your cage Full of rage ♪ 161 00:06:16,548 --> 00:06:19,068 ♪ 'Cause this is What a good day is ♪ 162 00:06:19,068 --> 00:06:21,418 ♪ And even though You're lonely ♪ 163 00:06:21,415 --> 00:06:23,825 ♪ You're more than the mother You're my homey ♪ 164 00:06:23,831 --> 00:06:26,011 ♪ There's no way I could pay you back ♪ 165 00:06:26,006 --> 00:06:29,386 ♪ But my plan is to show you That I understand ♪ 166 00:06:29,389 --> 00:06:30,389 ♪ Dear Mama 167 00:06:37,431 --> 00:06:40,501 MAN: How does doing this project feel for you, 168 00:06:40,503 --> 00:06:42,403 I guess, 30 years later? 169 00:06:42,402 --> 00:06:43,852 MAN 2: That's pretty surreal, 170 00:06:43,851 --> 00:06:46,061 to do a narrative that you were a part of. 171 00:06:46,060 --> 00:06:48,790 And then to have it be so personal, you know, uh, 172 00:06:48,787 --> 00:06:51,717 I didn't want to do it at first, and then I realized, shit, 173 00:06:51,721 --> 00:06:54,451 I never processed the trauma. 174 00:06:54,448 --> 00:06:57,418 But we have to take ownership of all of our collective journey, 175 00:06:57,417 --> 00:06:59,447 and go, "This is part of us." 176 00:06:59,453 --> 00:07:01,703 So how do we decant this? 177 00:07:01,697 --> 00:07:05,627 Tupac's legacy? 178 00:07:05,632 --> 00:07:09,462 Man, it's... it's really difficult to sum that up. 179 00:07:09,463 --> 00:07:11,533 MIKE: Man, listen. Anywhere I go, 180 00:07:11,534 --> 00:07:14,024 Russia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan... 181 00:07:15,607 --> 00:07:17,607 "How was Tupac? What was he like?" 182 00:07:17,609 --> 00:07:20,409 Children soldiers from Uganda, 183 00:07:20,405 --> 00:07:21,475 "What was Tupac like?" 184 00:07:21,475 --> 00:07:23,645 Blows my mind. 185 00:07:23,650 --> 00:07:26,830 Tupac was the first rapper to me that could make you cry. 186 00:07:26,825 --> 00:07:29,475 Like, he was just, like, "Oh, my God, that's me." 187 00:07:29,483 --> 00:07:33,113 I've had many people come up to me and say, "Tupac saved my life." 188 00:07:33,107 --> 00:07:35,557 He was a great, great storyteller, 189 00:07:35,558 --> 00:07:39,488 and I think the story that he told most effectively 190 00:07:39,493 --> 00:07:41,053 was his own truth. 191 00:07:41,046 --> 00:07:42,806 Tupac was a Zen master. 192 00:07:42,807 --> 00:07:44,767 He lived in these moments more than any of us, 193 00:07:44,774 --> 00:07:46,474 and if there wasn't something happening, 194 00:07:46,466 --> 00:07:47,776 he was gonna make something happen. 195 00:07:47,777 --> 00:07:51,467 They're teaching his poetry in college. 196 00:07:51,471 --> 00:07:53,681 What are you talking about? 197 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,440 He was a legend in his own time. [laughs] 198 00:07:56,441 --> 00:07:58,511 And he would say that too. 199 00:07:58,512 --> 00:08:01,692 Pac lived three niggas' lives in about eight months. 200 00:08:01,688 --> 00:08:03,828 That's why his life seemed so long. 201 00:08:03,828 --> 00:08:06,488 SNOOP: They say a man ain't a man 'til he's 27. 202 00:08:06,486 --> 00:08:08,696 He's still a baby at 25. 203 00:08:08,695 --> 00:08:11,455 But he just was like a special motherfucker, 204 00:08:11,456 --> 00:08:13,626 and with a spirit that was only grown through his mother. 205 00:08:13,631 --> 00:08:16,191 She was great before he even got here. 206 00:08:16,185 --> 00:08:18,705 The myth builder, a fantasy rider. 207 00:08:18,705 --> 00:08:20,145 Not mindin' his business, he never did. 208 00:08:20,154 --> 00:08:22,644 His mother certainly didn't. 209 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,190 'Cause where did Tupac get the myth-building from, Afeni. 210 00:08:25,194 --> 00:08:28,684 And Feni wanted the story told. 211 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,790 Correctly. That means blemishes and all. 212 00:08:31,787 --> 00:08:36,647 So people can understand that whole thing 213 00:08:36,654 --> 00:08:39,484 of what makes a human being as he 214 00:08:39,484 --> 00:08:41,694 and the human being as she. 215 00:08:41,693 --> 00:08:44,803 So, here we go. 216 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:46,660 WOMAN: This is the videotape examination 217 00:08:46,664 --> 00:08:48,804 of Tupac Amaru Shakur, 218 00:08:48,804 --> 00:08:51,504 held at the Clinton Correctional Facility, 219 00:08:51,496 --> 00:08:53,496 Dannemora, New York, 220 00:08:53,498 --> 00:08:56,878 at the time indicated on the video screen. 221 00:08:56,881 --> 00:08:58,811 The notary public will now swear the witness. 222 00:08:58,814 --> 00:09:00,824 Sir, would you raise your right hand, please? 223 00:09:00,816 --> 00:09:02,986 - Yes. - WOMAN: Do you swear or affirm 224 00:09:02,990 --> 00:09:04,820 that the testimony you're about to give will be the truth, 225 00:09:04,820 --> 00:09:06,580 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? 226 00:09:06,580 --> 00:09:07,720 - I do. - WOMAN: Thank you. 227 00:09:07,719 --> 00:09:09,549 AFENI: Well, I think we start-- 228 00:09:09,549 --> 00:09:11,589 Let's start with his name. 229 00:09:11,585 --> 00:09:15,205 MAN: Could you please state your full name for the record? 230 00:09:15,209 --> 00:09:18,209 Yes. It's Tupac Amaru Shakur. 231 00:09:18,212 --> 00:09:20,912 AFENI: Tupac Amaru is an Inca name. 232 00:09:20,905 --> 00:09:24,765 The first Tupac Amaru was the last indigenous Inca chief 233 00:09:24,771 --> 00:09:28,841 to be killed and martyred by the Spanish conquistadores 234 00:09:28,844 --> 00:09:33,194 who came to invade the area of South America called Peru. 235 00:09:33,193 --> 00:09:36,853 After that, another Tupac Amaru laid out plans 236 00:09:36,852 --> 00:09:39,542 for the modern state of Peru. 237 00:09:39,544 --> 00:09:42,934 Also killed and martyred by the Spanish people. 238 00:09:42,927 --> 00:09:46,547 Tupac was conceived during the worst part of my life. 239 00:09:46,551 --> 00:09:48,801 I was on trial for my life, 240 00:09:48,795 --> 00:09:52,795 and I chose his name because I wanted my son 241 00:09:52,799 --> 00:09:55,769 to understand that African-Americans 242 00:09:55,767 --> 00:09:58,977 are not the only people that this has happened to. 243 00:09:58,977 --> 00:10:01,567 I'm Afeni Shakur, 244 00:10:01,566 --> 00:10:04,636 and I'm Tupac's mom. 245 00:10:04,638 --> 00:10:06,708 MAN: The grand jury has returned an indictment 246 00:10:06,709 --> 00:10:09,299 charging members of the Black Panther Party 247 00:10:09,298 --> 00:10:13,338 with a conspiracy to destroy elements of society, 248 00:10:13,336 --> 00:10:16,746 which they regarded as part of, and I'm quoting the indictment, 249 00:10:16,754 --> 00:10:18,554 "The power structure." 250 00:10:22,725 --> 00:10:24,965 AFENI: Before I became a parent, 251 00:10:24,969 --> 00:10:27,559 I chose to be in the Black Panther Party. 252 00:10:29,732 --> 00:10:33,122 Tupac stayed in my womb through hell. 253 00:10:35,324 --> 00:10:39,264 And the Black Panther Party helped me, number one, 254 00:10:39,259 --> 00:10:43,609 to respect who my son was 255 00:10:43,608 --> 00:10:46,198 simply because of his birth. 256 00:10:46,197 --> 00:10:50,747 A Black male born in America 257 00:10:50,753 --> 00:10:53,933 in the 1970s. 258 00:10:53,929 --> 00:10:57,309 It was my responsibility to teach Tupac 259 00:10:57,311 --> 00:11:00,661 how to survive his reality. 260 00:11:00,660 --> 00:11:01,970 [airplane whirring] 261 00:11:14,294 --> 00:11:17,684 [upbeat song playing] 262 00:11:17,677 --> 00:11:19,677 ♪ Ah, can you feel it, baby? 263 00:11:20,783 --> 00:11:22,273 ♪ I can 264 00:11:24,442 --> 00:11:27,072 [school bell ringing] 265 00:11:27,065 --> 00:11:29,785 CHRISTINE: My name is Christine Mendes, 266 00:11:29,792 --> 00:11:32,622 and I'm a senior. 267 00:11:32,622 --> 00:11:34,212 GRAHAM: I'm Graham Davis, 268 00:11:34,210 --> 00:11:36,800 and I'm a junior here at Tamalpais High School. 269 00:11:36,799 --> 00:11:39,039 And I'm loving every minute of it. 270 00:11:39,043 --> 00:11:41,223 My name is Tupac Shakur, 271 00:11:41,217 --> 00:11:43,387 and I attend Tamalpais High School, 272 00:11:43,392 --> 00:11:45,642 and I'm 17 years old. 273 00:11:45,635 --> 00:11:48,185 GIRL 1: Tam is the raddest school ever. 274 00:11:48,190 --> 00:11:49,360 GIRL 2: The best thing about going to Tam 275 00:11:49,363 --> 00:11:51,683 is the Drama department. 276 00:11:51,676 --> 00:11:52,676 GIRL 3: And here, you can dress how you want. 277 00:11:52,677 --> 00:11:54,747 You can be who you want to be. 278 00:11:54,748 --> 00:11:55,748 What do I like the most about this school? 279 00:11:55,749 --> 00:11:57,819 - INTERVIEWER: Yeah. - Um... 280 00:11:57,820 --> 00:11:59,270 TUPAC: Well--Oh, I hope I don't get in trouble 281 00:11:59,270 --> 00:12:01,440 because Tam is really integrated, 282 00:12:01,444 --> 00:12:03,244 but I think there should be a different curriculum 283 00:12:03,239 --> 00:12:05,349 in each and every, like, neighborhood, you know? 284 00:12:05,345 --> 00:12:07,415 Because I'm learning the basics, 285 00:12:07,416 --> 00:12:10,006 but since I'm living in a slum-ish area 286 00:12:10,005 --> 00:12:12,415 and I'm Black, they're not basic for me. 287 00:12:12,421 --> 00:12:14,771 Like German. 288 00:12:14,768 --> 00:12:16,428 When am I going to Germany? 289 00:12:16,425 --> 00:12:19,115 I can't afford to pay my rent in America. 290 00:12:19,117 --> 00:12:21,257 MAN: I pledge allegiance... 291 00:12:21,257 --> 00:12:24,427 ALL: ...to the flag of the United States of America. 292 00:12:24,433 --> 00:12:27,713 TUPAC: We're not being taught to deal with the world as it is. 293 00:12:27,712 --> 00:12:30,062 We're being taught to deal with this fairy land 294 00:12:30,059 --> 00:12:31,469 which we're not even living in anymore. 295 00:12:31,474 --> 00:12:33,304 ALL: ...liberty and justice for all. 296 00:12:33,304 --> 00:12:35,414 TUPAC: That's why my mother taught me 297 00:12:35,409 --> 00:12:38,859 to analyze society and not be quiet. 298 00:12:38,861 --> 00:12:42,071 To... If there's something on my mind, speak it. 299 00:12:42,071 --> 00:12:43,421 Because-- Okay, I got to go to the beginning. 300 00:12:43,417 --> 00:12:46,317 My mother was a Black Panther. 301 00:12:46,317 --> 00:12:48,417 MIKE WALLACE: The Black Panther Party. 302 00:12:48,422 --> 00:12:50,772 The Panthers believed the system was against them. 303 00:12:50,770 --> 00:12:52,880 They were willing to pick up the gun 304 00:12:52,875 --> 00:12:54,385 to protect themselves from what they call 305 00:12:54,394 --> 00:12:56,404 the Pig Power Structure. 306 00:12:56,396 --> 00:12:59,396 WOMAN: They demanded land, housing, 307 00:12:59,399 --> 00:13:03,229 food, clothing, jobs, education, and justice. 308 00:13:03,230 --> 00:13:05,090 But most urgently, 309 00:13:05,094 --> 00:13:07,824 they demanded an end to the police brutality 310 00:13:07,821 --> 00:13:10,411 that they had witnessed in the Black community. 311 00:13:10,410 --> 00:13:13,000 REPORTER: The Panthers were most admired 312 00:13:12,999 --> 00:13:15,799 for their willingness to die for what they believe in. 313 00:13:15,795 --> 00:13:19,135 But second to that, their Free Breakfast for Children Program. 314 00:13:19,143 --> 00:13:21,153 - [explosion] - WALLACE: The Black Panthers 315 00:13:21,145 --> 00:13:23,285 formally disbanded by the early '80s, 316 00:13:23,285 --> 00:13:27,455 killed both by internal squabbling and by COINTELPRO, 317 00:13:27,461 --> 00:13:30,121 the controversial FBI Counter Intelligence Program 318 00:13:30,119 --> 00:13:32,539 focused in part on infiltrating 319 00:13:32,535 --> 00:13:36,125 and sabotaging the Black Panther Party. 320 00:13:36,125 --> 00:13:38,015 WOMAN: It is clear that many Americans 321 00:13:38,024 --> 00:13:40,994 still retain a fearful image of the group, 322 00:13:40,992 --> 00:13:44,312 but it may be too soon to know what history 323 00:13:44,306 --> 00:13:46,786 will write of the Black Panther Party 324 00:13:46,791 --> 00:13:49,171 or to know how their actions have really affected the lives 325 00:13:49,173 --> 00:13:52,563 of thousands of youngsters just like these. 326 00:13:52,555 --> 00:13:56,455 TUPAC: I loved my childhood, but I hated growing up poor. 327 00:13:56,456 --> 00:13:58,386 My mother's totally brilliant. 328 00:13:58,389 --> 00:14:00,149 She could have chose to go to college 329 00:14:00,149 --> 00:14:01,459 and got a degree and been well off. 330 00:14:01,461 --> 00:14:03,981 But we're stone broke. 331 00:14:03,981 --> 00:14:07,231 We're just poor because our ideals always get in the way. 332 00:14:07,225 --> 00:14:08,845 Yeah, let me tell you this about Afeni. 333 00:14:08,848 --> 00:14:10,298 So we correct, nobody don't think 334 00:14:10,297 --> 00:14:13,437 I'm blowing sunshine up her ass. 335 00:14:13,438 --> 00:14:16,338 She got on my nerve. 336 00:14:16,338 --> 00:14:17,268 Do you understand what I'm saying? 337 00:14:17,270 --> 00:14:19,170 Walled me out, 338 00:14:19,168 --> 00:14:21,898 because the thing that I always had to do 339 00:14:21,895 --> 00:14:24,545 all my life is protect my sister. 340 00:14:24,553 --> 00:14:26,523 AFENI: That's my sister. 341 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,520 Her name is Glo. 342 00:14:28,522 --> 00:14:30,902 And everybody around me knows who Glo is. 343 00:14:30,904 --> 00:14:33,844 She's the oldest, and we were always a unit. 344 00:14:33,838 --> 00:14:37,188 ♪ I won't harm you With words from my mouth ♪ 345 00:14:37,186 --> 00:14:38,876 ♪ I love you 346 00:14:38,878 --> 00:14:41,398 ♪ I need you to survive 347 00:14:41,397 --> 00:14:45,157 I would never hurt my sister with words from my mouth... 348 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:46,920 to her, you know. 349 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:48,540 I talk shit behind her back, cuss her ass out. 350 00:14:48,542 --> 00:14:50,062 You know what I mean? [laughs] 351 00:14:50,061 --> 00:14:51,931 ["Me and My Girlfriend" playing] 352 00:14:51,925 --> 00:14:53,505 ♪ Look for me, Lost in the whirlwind ♪ 353 00:14:53,513 --> 00:14:55,583 ♪ '96 Bonnie and Clyde 354 00:14:55,584 --> 00:14:58,244 ♪ Me and my girlfriend Doing 85 when we ride ♪ 355 00:14:58,242 --> 00:14:59,522 ♪ Trapped in this world Of sin ♪ 356 00:14:59,519 --> 00:15:01,279 ♪ Born as a ghetto child 357 00:15:01,279 --> 00:15:02,349 ♪ Raised in this whirlwind, C'mon ♪ 358 00:15:02,349 --> 00:15:03,589 GLORIA: Awesome. 359 00:15:03,592 --> 00:15:05,422 Awesome. 360 00:15:05,421 --> 00:15:07,461 Let me tell you something. Awesome. 361 00:15:07,458 --> 00:15:09,248 Coming to New York was awesome. 362 00:15:10,599 --> 00:15:14,289 Feni was maybe 11. 363 00:15:14,292 --> 00:15:16,232 You know, we were both little dark-skinned girls 364 00:15:16,225 --> 00:15:18,565 from North Carolina. 365 00:15:18,572 --> 00:15:21,232 What I remember is the smells. 366 00:15:21,230 --> 00:15:23,920 I had never smelled garlic. 367 00:15:23,923 --> 00:15:26,583 I had never tasted butter, salami. 368 00:15:26,580 --> 00:15:29,310 We had never heard of salami. 369 00:15:29,307 --> 00:15:31,067 New York was exciting. 370 00:15:31,068 --> 00:15:34,448 The--The noise and the, uh... uh... 371 00:15:36,452 --> 00:15:38,452 The rhythm of it. 372 00:15:38,454 --> 00:15:41,464 Both of us were very happy to be in New York, 373 00:15:41,457 --> 00:15:43,527 'cause Feni hated Lumberton. 374 00:15:43,528 --> 00:15:46,288 Lumberton had no rhythm. 375 00:15:46,290 --> 00:15:49,600 My father was a truck driver and he was a drinker. 376 00:15:49,603 --> 00:15:51,093 He had other women. 377 00:15:51,088 --> 00:15:53,158 Stayed gone all the time. 378 00:15:53,159 --> 00:15:56,399 My mother was tired of the arguing. 379 00:15:56,403 --> 00:15:59,413 Went to New York, got a job, and sent for us. 380 00:15:59,406 --> 00:16:04,266 So my memory of my father is a person who was not there. 381 00:16:04,273 --> 00:16:07,283 My mother had a room and an apartment 382 00:16:07,276 --> 00:16:10,656 with an old White lady in The Bronx. 383 00:16:10,659 --> 00:16:13,009 I remember the kids saying, 384 00:16:13,006 --> 00:16:15,076 [sing-songy] "Bald-headed, ain't got no hair." 385 00:16:15,077 --> 00:16:16,627 I never knew that in the South, 386 00:16:16,630 --> 00:16:18,460 but in New York, that's what we heard. 387 00:16:18,460 --> 00:16:21,330 And, "You're dark-skinned" and all of that. 388 00:16:21,325 --> 00:16:23,115 Feni could not be a cheerleader 389 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,330 'cause she didn't have long hair. 390 00:16:25,329 --> 00:16:27,539 And we went to Black schools, segregated schools. 391 00:16:27,538 --> 00:16:29,158 So these were Black people 392 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,300 choosing how the girls should look, 393 00:16:32,301 --> 00:16:33,131 and it wasn't us. 394 00:16:34,579 --> 00:16:37,029 So going to high school, 395 00:16:37,030 --> 00:16:41,660 Feni concentrated on being the smartest at everything. 396 00:16:41,655 --> 00:16:44,655 And she auditioned and she got accepted 397 00:16:44,658 --> 00:16:47,628 into the High School of Performing Arts. 398 00:16:47,627 --> 00:16:50,317 She had a curiosity in her spirit 399 00:16:50,319 --> 00:16:52,149 about what she wanted to be, 400 00:16:52,149 --> 00:16:54,529 but she wasn't comfortable 401 00:16:54,530 --> 00:16:57,460 knowing that she didn't have what the other kids had, 402 00:16:57,464 --> 00:16:59,984 because they were rich White kids from the suburbs somewhere. 403 00:16:59,984 --> 00:17:03,164 So, yeah, it was anger, because my mother can't do this, 404 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:04,750 my mother can't do that. 405 00:17:04,747 --> 00:17:06,677 And I was comfortable in whatever it was. 406 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,300 You know, I'd be all right. Feni was never that. 407 00:17:09,304 --> 00:17:12,554 She felt things differently and deeper, 408 00:17:12,548 --> 00:17:15,658 because she always wanted to be beyond 409 00:17:15,655 --> 00:17:17,685 what her circumstances were. 410 00:17:17,691 --> 00:17:21,351 Feni was really both a wanderer and a wonderer, 411 00:17:21,350 --> 00:17:23,390 and I don't mean aimlessly. 412 00:17:23,387 --> 00:17:25,487 - SEALE: I am... - CROWD: I am... 413 00:17:25,492 --> 00:17:27,742 - SEALE: ...a revolutionary. - CROWD: ...a revolutionary. 414 00:17:27,736 --> 00:17:30,496 GLORIA: So, yeah, she stepped right into the Black Panther Party. 415 00:17:30,497 --> 00:17:33,497 That was Bobby Seale she saw on 125th Street. 416 00:17:33,500 --> 00:17:35,570 - I am... - CROWD: I am... 417 00:17:35,571 --> 00:17:37,091 ...a revolutionary. 418 00:17:37,090 --> 00:17:39,610 GLORIA: And I was scared. 419 00:17:39,610 --> 00:17:41,230 REPORTER 1: Thirty-two-year-old ex-con named Bobby Seale 420 00:17:41,232 --> 00:17:43,792 proclaims his hope for revolution. 421 00:17:43,786 --> 00:17:46,026 GLORIA: All I knew was what I saw on television. 422 00:17:46,030 --> 00:17:48,030 REPORTER 2: The extremists, the revolutionaries, 423 00:17:48,032 --> 00:17:50,722 say the Black people have been left with no alternative 424 00:17:50,724 --> 00:17:52,664 but to gain by violence what they've been denied 425 00:17:52,657 --> 00:17:54,447 by peaceful means. 426 00:17:54,452 --> 00:17:56,562 So the same thing that I admired and loved 427 00:17:56,558 --> 00:17:59,288 for the Black people standing on there with the guns, 428 00:17:59,285 --> 00:18:02,285 now my sister's down with it. Well, that's a different story. 429 00:18:02,288 --> 00:18:04,218 But that's what she was doing, 430 00:18:04,221 --> 00:18:06,261 then that's what I was down with. 431 00:18:06,257 --> 00:18:07,707 REPORTER 2: They offer self-respect, 432 00:18:07,707 --> 00:18:09,567 pride in being Black, 433 00:18:09,571 --> 00:18:12,751 beauty in being Black, and Black people are listening. 434 00:18:12,746 --> 00:18:16,126 AFENI: I was liberated and empowered 435 00:18:16,129 --> 00:18:18,439 by the Black Panther Party, 436 00:18:18,442 --> 00:18:19,682 because young women at that time 437 00:18:19,684 --> 00:18:21,384 wanted to be different, 438 00:18:21,376 --> 00:18:23,546 and young men were perfectly willing 439 00:18:23,550 --> 00:18:27,420 to see women as individuals that they could respect. 440 00:18:27,416 --> 00:18:30,386 That was something that I yearned for. 441 00:18:30,385 --> 00:18:33,215 GLORIA: She brought an array of characters 442 00:18:33,215 --> 00:18:35,735 that I had never thought existed. 443 00:18:35,735 --> 00:18:38,215 Panthers, hustlers, 444 00:18:38,220 --> 00:18:40,770 gay women, gay men. 445 00:18:40,774 --> 00:18:43,614 So if she opened up my world, 446 00:18:43,605 --> 00:18:49,265 imagine her son around this array of characters, 447 00:18:49,266 --> 00:18:51,406 what that was for him. 448 00:18:51,406 --> 00:18:53,196 In the beginning, it's beautiful. 449 00:18:54,754 --> 00:18:56,274 TUPAC: I can't stand racism 450 00:18:56,273 --> 00:18:58,453 in any form, shape, or color. 451 00:18:58,447 --> 00:19:00,347 I feel like if you can't respect yourself, 452 00:19:00,346 --> 00:19:02,236 then you can't respect your race, 453 00:19:02,244 --> 00:19:04,114 then you can't respect another's race. 454 00:19:04,108 --> 00:19:06,248 It just has to do with respect, like my mother taught me. 455 00:19:06,248 --> 00:19:08,418 So, what we want-- 456 00:19:08,423 --> 00:19:10,363 What we're doing is starting the Black Panthers again. 457 00:19:10,356 --> 00:19:13,496 And I'm talking to a lot of the ex-members of the Panthers. 458 00:19:13,497 --> 00:19:15,287 And they did a lot of good things in the past. 459 00:19:15,292 --> 00:19:17,502 It's just that... 460 00:19:17,501 --> 00:19:18,711 you know those things they had for the mice 461 00:19:18,709 --> 00:19:20,469 where they go through around the circle 462 00:19:20,469 --> 00:19:21,539 and it has little blocks for it and everything? 463 00:19:21,539 --> 00:19:23,819 Well, society is like that. 464 00:19:23,817 --> 00:19:25,817 They'll let you go as far as you want, 465 00:19:25,819 --> 00:19:27,549 but as soon as you start asking too many questions 466 00:19:27,545 --> 00:19:29,505 and you're ready to change, 467 00:19:29,513 --> 00:19:31,793 boom, their blocker come. 468 00:19:31,791 --> 00:19:35,101 And, for me, minds would come through being a statistic. 469 00:19:41,628 --> 00:19:45,808 MAN: Have you had your deposition taken before? 470 00:19:45,805 --> 00:19:48,525 TUPAC: On one other occasion, I have, yes. 471 00:19:48,532 --> 00:19:51,472 MAN: Do you understand, then, the deposition process 472 00:19:51,466 --> 00:19:54,676 in that I'm gonna ask you some questions and you, under oath, 473 00:19:54,676 --> 00:19:57,676 are gonna answer my questions, and we'll have it on video? 474 00:19:59,370 --> 00:20:00,610 - Yes, I do. - MAN: Okay. 475 00:20:02,304 --> 00:20:03,694 How'd you get interested in music? 476 00:20:08,379 --> 00:20:10,489 I started off with poetry. 477 00:20:10,485 --> 00:20:12,345 It is my opinion that I was rapping 478 00:20:12,349 --> 00:20:14,349 while I was writing poetry. 479 00:20:14,351 --> 00:20:17,181 But while I was in Marin County, 480 00:20:17,181 --> 00:20:19,361 poets, I saw, 481 00:20:19,356 --> 00:20:21,356 were looked on as, like, wimps. 482 00:20:21,358 --> 00:20:23,568 So I did that personally, 483 00:20:23,567 --> 00:20:26,537 but then I started to change the method of my poetry. 484 00:20:26,535 --> 00:20:28,915 - MAN: Okay, how old were you? - TUPAC: 17. 485 00:20:28,917 --> 00:20:31,327 Seventeen's such a weird age. 486 00:20:31,333 --> 00:20:33,613 Like today, when I had to sign the release form, 487 00:20:33,611 --> 00:20:35,611 I felt so bad 'cause I couldn't sign it myself. 488 00:20:35,613 --> 00:20:38,693 I had to go and get my mother's and all that, but... 489 00:20:38,685 --> 00:20:42,515 18 is... it's just society's way of saying that you're ready. 490 00:20:42,517 --> 00:20:45,517 But 17, like, I think I'm ready now, 491 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,520 as ready as I'm gonna be in this world, but... 492 00:20:47,522 --> 00:20:51,282 So, it's okay, I guess 17 is alright. 493 00:20:51,284 --> 00:20:53,634 RYAN: When Tupac first came out here, 494 00:20:53,631 --> 00:20:56,361 he was totally different than everybody else. 495 00:20:56,358 --> 00:20:58,568 I remember when I first met him, he had on a-- 496 00:20:58,567 --> 00:21:00,467 He would wear this jean outfit with, like, ripped jeans and stuff. 497 00:21:00,466 --> 00:21:02,806 Nobody wore ripped clothes in the late '80s. 498 00:21:02,813 --> 00:21:04,783 If that is the East Coast style, I don't know. 499 00:21:04,780 --> 00:21:06,470 It was different to us. 500 00:21:06,472 --> 00:21:08,722 So he stood out like a sore thumb. 501 00:21:08,715 --> 00:21:10,915 But at the same time, he was so charismatic. 502 00:21:10,924 --> 00:21:12,444 Everybody liked Tupac. 503 00:21:12,443 --> 00:21:14,313 INTERVIEWER: What-- Give me a-- 504 00:21:14,307 --> 00:21:15,407 You-- Like last year, you were in New York? 505 00:21:15,412 --> 00:21:16,792 - Yeah. - INTERVIEWER: Where? 506 00:21:16,792 --> 00:21:18,242 No, last year, I was in Baltimore. 507 00:21:18,242 --> 00:21:19,972 Year before that, I was in-- 508 00:21:19,968 --> 00:21:21,588 I spent three years in Baltimore, my high school years, 509 00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:22,970 going to the School of Performing Arts. 510 00:21:22,971 --> 00:21:25,281 [upbeat music playing] 511 00:21:27,389 --> 00:21:29,289 Then before that, I was in New York. 512 00:21:29,288 --> 00:21:31,808 That's where I grew up. 513 00:21:31,807 --> 00:21:34,467 We moved out of New York because of my mother's choices. 514 00:21:34,465 --> 00:21:36,465 And I came to California to escape that violence 515 00:21:36,467 --> 00:21:38,807 that I escaped New York for, escaped Baltimore for. 516 00:21:38,814 --> 00:21:41,444 Come to Marin City, and there's skinheads violence. 517 00:21:43,302 --> 00:21:45,442 KENDRICK: This is Marin County. 518 00:21:45,442 --> 00:21:49,002 Probably like the fifth-richest county in the United States. 519 00:21:48,997 --> 00:21:51,277 A lot of old money. 520 00:21:51,275 --> 00:21:52,445 Beautiful place. 521 00:21:52,449 --> 00:21:53,969 Nothing but scenery 522 00:21:53,967 --> 00:21:56,757 next to the Golden Gate Bridge. 523 00:21:56,763 --> 00:21:58,493 SINGER: ♪ You make me feel So good ♪ 524 00:21:58,489 --> 00:22:00,319 KENDRICK: Marin City is a little hole... 525 00:22:00,319 --> 00:22:02,529 TUPAC: Fuck the police. 526 00:22:02,528 --> 00:22:03,458 KENDRICK: ...right at the bottom of the hill... 527 00:22:03,460 --> 00:22:05,670 TUPAC: Fuck the police. 528 00:22:05,669 --> 00:22:07,019 KENDRICK: ...where they put all the Black people. 529 00:22:07,015 --> 00:22:08,595 SINGER: ♪ Oh, my gosh 530 00:22:08,603 --> 00:22:10,813 We used to say, "One way in, one way out." 531 00:22:10,812 --> 00:22:13,472 SINGER: ♪ Thinking Of a master plan ♪ 532 00:22:13,470 --> 00:22:15,610 ♪ 'Cause ain't nothing But sweat inside my hand ♪ 533 00:22:15,610 --> 00:22:18,300 ♪ So I dig into my pocket All my money spent ♪ 534 00:22:18,302 --> 00:22:20,062 ♪ So I dig deeper But still coming up with lint ♪ 535 00:22:20,062 --> 00:22:21,822 RYAN: We lived in the Tall Buildings, 536 00:22:21,823 --> 00:22:23,453 the original project buildings in Marin City. 537 00:22:23,445 --> 00:22:25,445 From my back patio, 538 00:22:25,447 --> 00:22:26,377 I could look out to the Tiburon Bay 539 00:22:26,379 --> 00:22:28,489 and see mansions and yachts. 540 00:22:28,485 --> 00:22:30,625 And I go out my front door, 541 00:22:30,625 --> 00:22:32,275 and I see dope fiends and kids with no shoes, 542 00:22:32,281 --> 00:22:33,801 and they ain't ate all day. 543 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,560 So I was outspoken on political things, 544 00:22:35,561 --> 00:22:37,631 but Tupac was me times ten. 545 00:22:37,632 --> 00:22:40,052 TUPAC: In Marin City, I've seen already death. 546 00:22:40,048 --> 00:22:41,948 I mean, aren't they wondering why death rates are going up, 547 00:22:41,946 --> 00:22:43,526 and suicide, drug abuse? 548 00:22:43,534 --> 00:22:45,364 Aren't they wondering? I mean... 549 00:22:45,364 --> 00:22:47,544 RAY: Pac is beyond conscious. 550 00:22:47,538 --> 00:22:50,468 His hairstyle is conscious, profound, distinct. 551 00:22:50,472 --> 00:22:52,542 And I'm looking at this dude like there's no way 552 00:22:52,543 --> 00:22:54,963 that he's a good rapper dressed like that. 553 00:22:56,754 --> 00:22:59,554 But never judge a book by its cover. 554 00:22:59,550 --> 00:23:02,420 ♪ As real as it seems The American dream ♪ 555 00:23:02,415 --> 00:23:04,415 ♪ Ain't nothing but another Calculated scheme ♪ 556 00:23:04,417 --> 00:23:06,487 ♪ To get us locked up Shot up and back in chains ♪ 557 00:23:06,488 --> 00:23:08,728 ♪ To deny us of the future Rob our names ♪ 558 00:23:08,732 --> 00:23:10,942 RYAN: Rakim was out at the time. I would tell everybody, 559 00:23:10,941 --> 00:23:13,671 "My buddy is doper than Rakim right now. He's 17 years old." 560 00:23:13,668 --> 00:23:14,738 ♪ You kept my history A mystery ♪ 561 00:23:14,738 --> 00:23:16,908 ♪ But now I see 562 00:23:16,912 --> 00:23:18,742 ♪ The American dream Wasn't meant for me ♪ 563 00:23:18,742 --> 00:23:19,712 ♪ 'Cause Lady Liberty's A hypocrite ♪ 564 00:23:19,708 --> 00:23:21,848 ♪ She lied to me 565 00:23:21,848 --> 00:23:23,678 ♪ Promised me freedom Education, and equality ♪ 566 00:23:23,678 --> 00:23:25,708 ♪ She never gave me Nothing but slavery ♪ 567 00:23:25,714 --> 00:23:28,614 ♪ So now look at how dangerous You made me ♪ 568 00:23:28,614 --> 00:23:31,764 He's rappin' about stuff that I'm not even beginning to think about. 569 00:23:31,755 --> 00:23:33,065 And I'm blown away. 570 00:23:33,066 --> 00:23:34,376 ♪ Calling me a madman 571 00:23:34,378 --> 00:23:36,098 ♪ Because I'm strong and bold 572 00:23:36,104 --> 00:23:37,074 ♪ With this gun Full of knowledge ♪ 573 00:23:37,070 --> 00:23:39,450 ♪ Of the lies you told 574 00:23:39,452 --> 00:23:41,112 ♪ Promise me emancipation In this new nation ♪ 575 00:23:41,109 --> 00:23:43,529 ♪ All you ever gave my people Was starvation ♪ 576 00:23:43,525 --> 00:23:45,525 ♪ Fathers of this country Never cared for me ♪ 577 00:23:45,527 --> 00:23:47,597 ♪ They kept my ancestors Shackled up in slavery ♪ 578 00:23:47,598 --> 00:23:49,978 ♪ And Uncle Sam never did A damn thing for me ♪ 579 00:23:49,980 --> 00:23:52,470 ♪ Except lie about the facts Of my history ♪ 580 00:23:52,465 --> 00:23:54,735 RYAN: It's amazing to me because I would look in his rap book. 581 00:23:54,743 --> 00:23:57,473 He'd have pages of poems in between raps. 582 00:23:57,470 --> 00:23:59,540 You know, he'd write a hard rap, 583 00:23:59,541 --> 00:24:01,581 then have a poem about a girl he fell in love with, 584 00:24:01,578 --> 00:24:04,128 with hearts and flowers and eyeballs all on top of it. 585 00:24:04,132 --> 00:24:05,752 I always thought that was weird. 586 00:24:05,754 --> 00:24:07,764 Romantic. I mean, people didn't know 587 00:24:07,756 --> 00:24:10,406 he was a ballet dancer, he was an actor. 588 00:24:10,414 --> 00:24:12,074 Whatever you're talking about, he knew about it. 589 00:24:12,071 --> 00:24:14,421 But he was saying stuff that we wanted to hear, 590 00:24:14,418 --> 00:24:17,558 and we didn't want to hear about women, about us, about his mom. 591 00:24:17,559 --> 00:24:19,909 ♪ My mother never let me Forget my history ♪ 592 00:24:19,906 --> 00:24:22,386 ♪ Hoping I was set free Chains never put on me ♪ 593 00:24:22,391 --> 00:24:24,641 ♪ Wanted to be More than just free ♪ 594 00:24:24,635 --> 00:24:26,565 ♪ Had to know the true facts About my history ♪ 595 00:24:26,568 --> 00:24:28,188 And he'd be over here, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm, like... 596 00:24:28,190 --> 00:24:29,610 TUPAC: Like yesterday he was cursing, 597 00:24:29,606 --> 00:24:31,566 and I was like, "Don't curse." 598 00:24:31,573 --> 00:24:33,583 And he got mad at me because I told him not to curse. 599 00:24:33,575 --> 00:24:34,605 Mind y'all, I wasn't really trying to hear it. 600 00:24:34,611 --> 00:24:36,921 They call girls the B-word. 601 00:24:36,923 --> 00:24:39,033 - KENDRICK: Yeah, yeah, yeah. - TUPAC: They are getting girls. 602 00:24:39,029 --> 00:24:41,509 And I'm going, "Peace," and, "I think you're beautiful." 603 00:24:41,514 --> 00:24:44,104 And they're going, "Well, I like him because he's masculine." 604 00:24:44,103 --> 00:24:47,143 I'm masculine. I mean... 605 00:24:47,140 --> 00:24:50,140 But then, I was liking this girl in Tam. And I'm extra nice. 606 00:24:50,143 --> 00:24:52,043 You know, extra gentleman. 607 00:24:52,042 --> 00:24:53,152 I'm extra just, like, "Oh, you're beautiful, 608 00:24:53,146 --> 00:24:54,796 and you deserve the best," 609 00:24:54,803 --> 00:24:57,533 and she told me I was too nice. 610 00:24:57,530 --> 00:24:59,500 I couldn't believe it. 611 00:24:59,498 --> 00:25:01,528 It wouldn't work 'cause I was too nice. 612 00:25:01,534 --> 00:25:03,614 That was the ultimate stab in the back. 613 00:25:03,605 --> 00:25:05,495 So I went through a week of just going, 614 00:25:05,504 --> 00:25:06,574 "Forget it. I'm just gonna be like them." 615 00:25:08,092 --> 00:25:10,962 KENDRICK: He was hurt. 616 00:25:10,957 --> 00:25:12,677 It wasn't so much he changed, you know, 617 00:25:12,683 --> 00:25:14,103 I always say, he made progressions. 618 00:25:15,997 --> 00:25:17,787 He just jumped in the car and started doing 619 00:25:17,792 --> 00:25:19,862 what me and my friends were doing, 620 00:25:19,863 --> 00:25:22,523 which was romanticizing all over the county. 621 00:25:22,521 --> 00:25:24,561 And from then on, he became a player. 622 00:25:24,557 --> 00:25:26,527 But he did something I did not do. 623 00:25:26,525 --> 00:25:29,175 He went into the girls' minds, 624 00:25:29,182 --> 00:25:33,152 and he became what they wanted. 625 00:25:33,152 --> 00:25:35,572 RYAN: That was his gift. 626 00:25:35,568 --> 00:25:37,158 He related to them. He got into character. 627 00:25:37,156 --> 00:25:39,186 And he was real about it. 628 00:25:39,192 --> 00:25:41,752 He showed a part of them that they'd never seen. 629 00:25:41,747 --> 00:25:44,607 And when I say "player," I don't mean somebody who lies to women 630 00:25:44,612 --> 00:25:48,552 or someone who knows the game and fits in appropriately. 631 00:25:48,547 --> 00:25:50,197 It's an addition to the situation, 632 00:25:50,203 --> 00:25:52,143 and he was a great player. 633 00:25:52,136 --> 00:25:53,826 He stole the show. 634 00:25:53,828 --> 00:25:55,898 No matter what crowd we took him around, 635 00:25:55,899 --> 00:25:59,519 I don't care if it was the most gangster dudes in East Oakland, 636 00:25:59,523 --> 00:26:02,603 rich men, or some square cats in Santa Rosa, 637 00:26:02,595 --> 00:26:04,555 Tupac would instantly use the same words they'd use 638 00:26:04,563 --> 00:26:06,743 that fit right in. 639 00:26:06,737 --> 00:26:08,737 And everybody would be drawn to him immediately, 640 00:26:08,739 --> 00:26:11,259 White, Black, no matter who it was, 641 00:26:11,259 --> 00:26:14,189 but being around that environment, he ended up doing things 642 00:26:14,193 --> 00:26:15,193 that he really didn't have to do. 643 00:26:15,194 --> 00:26:17,204 He was struggling financially, 644 00:26:17,196 --> 00:26:18,746 and so he was trying to sell drugs. 645 00:26:18,749 --> 00:26:20,579 I mean, crack was full blown. 646 00:26:20,579 --> 00:26:22,549 But Tupac was such a nice person, 647 00:26:22,546 --> 00:26:23,616 he probably was fronting all his dope out. 648 00:26:23,616 --> 00:26:25,926 RAY: We sucked at selling crack. 649 00:26:25,929 --> 00:26:29,099 We was the worst crack dealers in the history of crack dealers. 650 00:26:29,104 --> 00:26:32,594 He sold crack for, like, I think five days. 651 00:26:32,591 --> 00:26:35,281 I think I sold crack for seven, mostly, 652 00:26:35,283 --> 00:26:37,293 because I couldn't sell my crack, which is weird, 653 00:26:37,285 --> 00:26:39,935 like, I just... don't nobody want it, 654 00:26:39,943 --> 00:26:42,743 like, I don't even know how to, like, who to take it to. 655 00:26:42,739 --> 00:26:45,219 But we knew very quickly 656 00:26:45,224 --> 00:26:48,684 that that was not gonna be our way out. 657 00:26:48,676 --> 00:26:53,606 Because capitalism requires that your empathy level is relatively low, 658 00:26:53,612 --> 00:26:58,132 and his empathy level was a little higher than most people. 659 00:26:58,133 --> 00:27:00,313 He did not believe in hurting, maiming, 660 00:27:00,308 --> 00:27:02,068 or killing Black people. 661 00:27:02,068 --> 00:27:04,798 So if a person's smoking crack 662 00:27:04,795 --> 00:27:07,315 with their daughter or their son, 663 00:27:07,315 --> 00:27:09,275 he's not gonna recover from that. 664 00:27:09,282 --> 00:27:11,252 But one day, comin' out of school, 665 00:27:11,250 --> 00:27:13,670 Leila's standing outside 666 00:27:13,666 --> 00:27:16,076 looking for kids that wanna perform and did that. 667 00:27:16,082 --> 00:27:17,222 LEILA: I'd like to just introduce 668 00:27:17,221 --> 00:27:18,331 everyone who participated. 669 00:27:18,326 --> 00:27:20,116 This is my daughter Shaquan... 670 00:27:20,121 --> 00:27:22,091 - TUPAC: Leila Steinberg. - ...Shiqua... 671 00:27:22,088 --> 00:27:24,128 TUPAC: She was older and she was White, 672 00:27:24,125 --> 00:27:25,915 and she's the one that I used 673 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,160 - to let look at my poetry. - ...Raymond... 674 00:27:28,163 --> 00:27:30,373 She understood a lot of things 675 00:27:30,372 --> 00:27:33,172 that I was doing that other people couldn't understand. 676 00:27:33,168 --> 00:27:36,688 And she's the one that, um... 677 00:27:36,689 --> 00:27:39,799 stayed on me about working hard to do my music. 678 00:27:39,796 --> 00:27:42,756 RAY: Leila is an anomaly, 679 00:27:42,764 --> 00:27:45,704 but at her most pure, she's a educator. 680 00:27:45,698 --> 00:27:48,358 One of our main goals is to educate while we entertain. 681 00:27:48,356 --> 00:27:50,626 RAY: Pac and I knew very early 682 00:27:50,634 --> 00:27:53,674 that this business is brutal. 683 00:27:53,672 --> 00:27:57,232 Like the most criminal-minded, shady people 684 00:27:57,227 --> 00:27:59,327 feasting off theater kids. 685 00:27:59,332 --> 00:28:02,162 Whereas Leila's very conscious 686 00:28:02,163 --> 00:28:04,063 and laid back. 687 00:28:04,061 --> 00:28:07,621 So we was, "Listen, we need you to be a real White lady 688 00:28:07,616 --> 00:28:09,376 in this business for us." 689 00:28:09,377 --> 00:28:11,097 Okay. 690 00:28:11,103 --> 00:28:12,173 WOMAN: Okay. 691 00:28:18,697 --> 00:28:21,217 LEILA: I didn't know anything about the business 692 00:28:21,216 --> 00:28:22,666 when we started. 693 00:28:22,666 --> 00:28:24,286 I never wanted to manage. 694 00:28:24,288 --> 00:28:26,808 Tupac was just convinced 695 00:28:26,808 --> 00:28:29,358 that I could get through any door. 696 00:28:29,362 --> 00:28:32,712 But a part of management is parenting. 697 00:28:32,711 --> 00:28:34,891 And he met me 698 00:28:34,885 --> 00:28:38,915 when his mom was deep in her struggle. 699 00:28:38,924 --> 00:28:41,374 And, I mean, we could talk for hours 700 00:28:41,374 --> 00:28:43,314 about the challenges of being a Panther 701 00:28:43,307 --> 00:28:44,757 and being let down, 702 00:28:44,757 --> 00:28:47,347 but what I knew is that Afeni 703 00:28:47,346 --> 00:28:50,246 was his hero. 704 00:28:50,245 --> 00:28:52,825 TUPAC: Well, I never knew who my father was. 705 00:28:52,834 --> 00:28:54,774 He was a hustler, a street hustler. 706 00:28:54,767 --> 00:28:58,007 I met him, but he died, and that was horrible, 707 00:28:58,012 --> 00:29:00,392 but got over that. My mother is really 708 00:29:00,393 --> 00:29:02,123 my father and mother. 709 00:29:02,119 --> 00:29:03,779 And really strict, almost. 710 00:29:03,776 --> 00:29:05,916 But now, I can see how it paid off. 711 00:29:05,916 --> 00:29:08,886 Because I can talk to my mother about anything, 712 00:29:08,885 --> 00:29:11,815 like, I could say, "Ma, I'm really curious about this drug." 713 00:29:11,819 --> 00:29:13,719 And she will go, "I did it, and this is what happened, 714 00:29:13,717 --> 00:29:15,437 and I don't think you should." 715 00:29:15,443 --> 00:29:17,763 So she's my guide through life. 716 00:29:17,756 --> 00:29:19,476 And she's human, I mean, she has mistakes, 717 00:29:19,481 --> 00:29:21,241 and we get in our tiffs and everything. 718 00:29:21,242 --> 00:29:23,382 But it's good. 719 00:29:23,382 --> 00:29:24,902 LEILA: He was like me. 720 00:29:24,901 --> 00:29:26,421 You know, we hide behind a smile 721 00:29:26,419 --> 00:29:28,079 and fake like we're all right. 722 00:29:28,076 --> 00:29:29,456 [laughs] 723 00:29:29,457 --> 00:29:31,247 He couldn't really expose 724 00:29:31,252 --> 00:29:33,362 how broken he was. 725 00:29:33,357 --> 00:29:35,217 It was me, I admit it. 726 00:29:35,221 --> 00:29:37,501 LEILA: But everything he ever wrote 727 00:29:37,499 --> 00:29:40,879 was a road map to understand a condition. 728 00:29:40,882 --> 00:29:43,092 AFENI: I right now have deep pain 729 00:29:43,091 --> 00:29:45,401 about those years. 730 00:29:45,404 --> 00:29:48,724 At that point, I think the effects of everything, 731 00:29:48,717 --> 00:29:50,437 the trials, the police, whatever. 732 00:29:50,443 --> 00:29:52,243 I don't want to cry about it. 733 00:29:52,238 --> 00:29:54,028 But it was having a bad effect on me. 734 00:29:55,310 --> 00:29:56,970 [Blood speaking] 735 00:30:05,286 --> 00:30:07,456 AFENI: This is when I was smoking crack cocaine. 736 00:30:07,460 --> 00:30:09,150 Yeah. 737 00:30:30,104 --> 00:30:32,494 RAY: I didn't see the fingerprints 738 00:30:32,485 --> 00:30:35,965 of her addiction at that time. 739 00:30:35,972 --> 00:30:40,532 It was an entire generation of us that were latchkey kids. 740 00:30:40,528 --> 00:30:43,498 So our parents were hardworking addicts. 741 00:30:43,496 --> 00:30:45,766 Never completely present. 742 00:30:45,774 --> 00:30:47,224 And we didn't think we were getting 743 00:30:47,224 --> 00:30:48,854 anything out of school. 744 00:30:48,847 --> 00:30:50,327 It's just a place you go during the day, 745 00:30:50,331 --> 00:30:52,131 to keep you busy while they're at work. 746 00:30:52,126 --> 00:30:53,886 RAY: So we learned to raise each other. 747 00:30:53,886 --> 00:30:55,406 While they're at work, that's exactly what it is. 748 00:30:55,405 --> 00:30:57,885 RAY: But when he hustled, the whole point was 749 00:30:57,890 --> 00:31:00,890 to take care of his mother and sister Sekyiwa. 750 00:31:00,893 --> 00:31:03,523 Yeah, I'm... I'm actually been working already, you know, 751 00:31:03,516 --> 00:31:06,376 like, I've been going to school during the day 752 00:31:06,381 --> 00:31:09,831 then I work eight hours at the pizza place, then go home. 753 00:31:09,833 --> 00:31:12,913 And if I'm... Isn't it like, 40-hour week, that's what adults work, right? 754 00:31:12,905 --> 00:31:16,315 And that's what I'm working, 40 hours a week. I'm still poor. 755 00:31:16,322 --> 00:31:19,362 My family's still poor, I'm still living in a poor neighborhood. 756 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:20,570 RAY: ♪ You know They got me trapped ♪ 757 00:31:20,568 --> 00:31:22,568 ♪ In this prison of seclusion 758 00:31:22,570 --> 00:31:25,020 ♪ Happiness, living On the streets is a delusion ♪ 759 00:31:25,021 --> 00:31:28,201 ♪ Even a smooth criminal One day must get caught ♪ 760 00:31:28,196 --> 00:31:30,266 I wrote the opening line 761 00:31:30,267 --> 00:31:33,997 to a song about how I felt in this environment, 762 00:31:33,995 --> 00:31:36,855 but I was never really comfortable 763 00:31:36,860 --> 00:31:40,860 with being as intimate and open as Pac was. 764 00:31:40,864 --> 00:31:43,904 Mind you, we're living in a world pre-Tupac. 765 00:31:43,902 --> 00:31:45,562 There is no Brenda's Got a Baby. 766 00:31:45,558 --> 00:31:47,388 There is no Keep Ya Head Up. 767 00:31:47,388 --> 00:31:49,008 There is no Dear Mama. 768 00:31:49,010 --> 00:31:51,880 That doesn't exist in hip-hop yet. 769 00:31:51,875 --> 00:31:54,525 So I crumpled it up and I threw it in the garbage can. 770 00:31:54,533 --> 00:31:56,603 And he was, like, "What are you doing with this? Why are you throwing it away?" 771 00:31:56,604 --> 00:31:58,054 I'm like, "Man, I don't want that. 772 00:31:58,054 --> 00:31:59,614 I don't want that on my record. 773 00:31:59,607 --> 00:32:01,537 I don't want to be that personal." 774 00:32:01,540 --> 00:32:04,060 LEILA: Tupac never would've performed 775 00:32:04,060 --> 00:32:05,650 anybody else's song or lyrics, 776 00:32:05,647 --> 00:32:08,577 but they were so close and so connected 777 00:32:08,581 --> 00:32:11,551 that when Tupac got the lyrics out of the trash can, 778 00:32:11,550 --> 00:32:14,380 he was, like, "I feel like I wrote this. This is me." 779 00:32:14,380 --> 00:32:17,000 RAY: He was, like, "Let me do something with this." 780 00:32:17,004 --> 00:32:18,424 TUPAC: ♪ Shot up or shot down With the bullet That he bought ♪ 781 00:32:18,419 --> 00:32:20,419 ♪ Nine-millimeter kicking 782 00:32:20,421 --> 00:32:22,601 ♪ Thinking about What the streets do to me ♪ 783 00:32:22,595 --> 00:32:25,315 ♪ 'Cause they never talk peace In the Black community ♪ 784 00:32:25,322 --> 00:32:29,982 RAY: That was the beginning of what ultimately became 2Pacalypse Now. 785 00:32:29,982 --> 00:32:31,432 ♪ All we know is violence 786 00:32:31,432 --> 00:32:33,642 ♪ Do the job in silence 787 00:32:33,641 --> 00:32:35,681 ♪ Walk the city streets Like a rat pack of tyrants ♪ 788 00:32:35,677 --> 00:32:38,467 ♪ Too many brothers Daily headed for the big pen ♪ 789 00:32:38,473 --> 00:32:41,613 ♪ Niggas coming out worse off Than when they went in ♪ 790 00:32:41,614 --> 00:32:44,414 ♪ Over the years I've done A lot of growing up ♪ 791 00:32:44,410 --> 00:32:45,960 ♪ Get drunk, throwing up, Cuffed up ♪ 792 00:32:45,964 --> 00:32:48,244 ♪ Then I said, "I had enough" ♪ 793 00:32:48,242 --> 00:32:50,932 ♪ There must be another route Way out to money and fame ♪ 794 00:32:50,934 --> 00:32:53,324 ♪ I changed my name Played a different game ♪ 795 00:32:53,316 --> 00:32:55,626 ♪ Tired of being trapped In this vicious cycle ♪ 796 00:32:55,628 --> 00:32:57,598 ♪ If one more cop harasses me I just might go psycho ♪ 797 00:32:57,596 --> 00:32:59,456 ♪ And when I get 'em 798 00:32:59,460 --> 00:33:01,670 ♪ I hit 'em With a bum rush ♪ 799 00:33:01,669 --> 00:33:03,639 ♪ Only a lunatic would like To see a skull crush ♪ 800 00:33:03,636 --> 00:33:06,666 ♪ Yo, if you're smart You'll really let me go, G ♪ 801 00:33:06,674 --> 00:33:08,614 ♪ But keep me cooped up in this Ghetto and catch the Uzi ♪ 802 00:33:08,607 --> 00:33:10,637 ♪ They got me trapped 803 00:33:10,643 --> 00:33:12,473 AFENI: The situation that I had my children in... 804 00:33:12,473 --> 00:33:14,373 TUPAC: ♪ Trapped 805 00:33:14,371 --> 00:33:15,481 AFENI: ...the way that we were living at that point... 806 00:33:15,476 --> 00:33:17,266 TUPAC: ♪ Trapped 807 00:33:17,271 --> 00:33:19,171 AFENI: ...it affected my children very deeply. 808 00:33:19,169 --> 00:33:21,449 TUPAC: ♪ They got me trapped 809 00:33:21,447 --> 00:33:23,657 AFENI: But because the drugs devastate so completely... 810 00:33:23,656 --> 00:33:25,306 TUPAC: ♪ Trapped 811 00:33:25,313 --> 00:33:26,633 AFENI: ...I had to look at myself. 812 00:33:26,625 --> 00:33:28,385 TUPAC: ♪ Trapped 813 00:33:28,385 --> 00:33:30,345 AFENI: And make changes in my own self. 814 00:33:30,353 --> 00:33:32,293 ATRON: One day, Tupac came up to me and said, 815 00:33:32,286 --> 00:33:34,626 "Can you give my mom a ride to the bus station? 816 00:33:34,633 --> 00:33:36,533 She's about to go to rehab." 817 00:33:36,531 --> 00:33:38,501 And he was just quiet. 818 00:33:38,499 --> 00:33:40,669 Afeni was in the back seat, and she was not herself. 819 00:33:40,673 --> 00:33:44,713 She was feeling terrible, and it was just a sad ride. 820 00:33:44,712 --> 00:33:47,542 AFENI: It's just a hectic turmoil. 821 00:33:47,542 --> 00:33:50,412 On the other hand, personally, 822 00:33:50,407 --> 00:33:53,377 this is not from Tupac's perspective, 823 00:33:53,376 --> 00:33:55,066 from my perspective, 824 00:33:55,067 --> 00:33:57,237 there is no way 825 00:33:57,242 --> 00:33:59,762 that I could've crawled back up 826 00:33:59,761 --> 00:34:03,281 had I not been broken by those drugs first. 827 00:34:09,047 --> 00:34:13,527 That meant that the last five years of my son's life, 828 00:34:13,534 --> 00:34:17,194 he had the benefit of a mother who was completely present. 829 00:34:19,574 --> 00:34:23,304 That was worth everything to me. 830 00:34:33,726 --> 00:34:37,626 JAMAL: When Tupac was a child, he was the life of the party... 831 00:34:37,627 --> 00:34:40,557 always the one creating a game 832 00:34:40,561 --> 00:34:42,391 or a talent show. 833 00:34:42,390 --> 00:34:45,290 And you knew whatever it was, 834 00:34:45,290 --> 00:34:47,600 that he was the center of that energy. 835 00:34:47,602 --> 00:34:50,092 So I recognized that there was something kind of special. 836 00:34:50,088 --> 00:34:52,188 Then they left New York. 837 00:34:52,193 --> 00:34:56,373 And around that same time, 838 00:34:56,370 --> 00:34:58,410 I went back to prison. 839 00:34:58,406 --> 00:35:00,306 And this is the longest time I was gone. 840 00:35:00,305 --> 00:35:02,575 I was gone for close to six years. 841 00:35:02,583 --> 00:35:04,593 And when I came back, 842 00:35:04,585 --> 00:35:08,485 I had this little Honda that had a cassette player. 843 00:35:08,485 --> 00:35:12,315 And I remember someone, who also knew the Shakur family, 844 00:35:12,317 --> 00:35:13,727 got me a cassette. 845 00:35:13,732 --> 00:35:15,632 And I played this tape. 846 00:35:15,630 --> 00:35:17,120 ["Never Be Beat" playing] 847 00:35:20,566 --> 00:35:24,086 And so I stopped and I said, "This is Tupac. 848 00:35:24,087 --> 00:35:25,297 This is my godson Tupac." 849 00:35:25,295 --> 00:35:27,325 And he says, "Yeah." 850 00:35:27,332 --> 00:35:29,512 He said, "You know, he's gonna be the next one." 851 00:35:29,506 --> 00:35:33,476 [gun cocks and fires] 852 00:35:33,476 --> 00:35:36,406 We feel that the problem of the Black man in America 853 00:35:36,410 --> 00:35:39,450 is beyond America's ability to solve. 854 00:35:39,447 --> 00:35:41,517 It's a human problem, not an American problem 855 00:35:41,518 --> 00:35:43,418 or a Negro problem. 856 00:35:43,417 --> 00:35:45,697 And as a human problem or a world problem, 857 00:35:45,695 --> 00:35:48,245 we feel that it should be taken out of the jurisdiction 858 00:35:48,249 --> 00:35:49,629 of the United States government 859 00:35:49,630 --> 00:35:51,430 and taken into the United Nations, 860 00:35:51,425 --> 00:35:53,455 because not only are we denied the right 861 00:35:53,461 --> 00:35:55,431 to be a citizen in the United States, 862 00:35:55,429 --> 00:35:57,469 we're denied the right to be a human being. 863 00:36:00,848 --> 00:36:02,818 JAMAL: When I joined the Panther Party, 864 00:36:02,815 --> 00:36:06,155 the thing that attracted me the most was not ideology. 865 00:36:06,164 --> 00:36:08,374 I didn't realize what Black Panther ideology really was. 866 00:36:08,373 --> 00:36:10,273 I came 'cause I was mad, 867 00:36:10,271 --> 00:36:11,651 because they had killed Malcolm X. 868 00:36:11,652 --> 00:36:13,342 MAN: We saw a guy. 869 00:36:13,343 --> 00:36:15,173 He was shooting like a cowboy. 870 00:36:15,173 --> 00:36:16,483 ♪ Shot across the room 871 00:36:19,384 --> 00:36:21,664 ♪ And now the man No longer lives... ♪ 872 00:36:21,662 --> 00:36:23,322 JAMAL: They'd killed Martin Luther King. 873 00:36:23,319 --> 00:36:25,629 We are not giving in. 874 00:36:25,631 --> 00:36:26,631 [gunshots] 875 00:36:26,632 --> 00:36:28,632 [woman screams] 876 00:36:28,634 --> 00:36:30,364 MAN: Martin Luther King dedicated his life 877 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,470 - to love and to justice. - [gunshot] 878 00:36:32,466 --> 00:36:33,736 JAMAL: They had killed the Kennedys. 879 00:36:33,743 --> 00:36:35,403 MAN: Get that gun! Get the gun! 880 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,400 MALCOLM X: The Negro revolution. 881 00:36:37,402 --> 00:36:38,682 JAMAL: They radicalized a whole generation, 882 00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:40,339 and sparks were flying. 883 00:36:42,407 --> 00:36:44,647 MALCOLM X: Revolution is hostile. 884 00:36:44,650 --> 00:36:46,690 Revolution knows no compromise. 885 00:36:46,687 --> 00:36:50,657 JAMAL: And on TV is a story about the Panthers 886 00:36:50,656 --> 00:36:53,686 storming the state capital of Sacramento with guns. 887 00:36:53,694 --> 00:36:55,664 And Bobby Seale reads this manifesto. 888 00:36:55,661 --> 00:36:58,701 Take careful note of the racist California legislature 889 00:36:58,699 --> 00:37:00,769 which is now considering legislation 890 00:37:00,770 --> 00:37:02,700 aimed at keeping the Black people disarmed 891 00:37:02,703 --> 00:37:05,743 and powerless at the very same time 892 00:37:05,740 --> 00:37:08,260 racist police agencies throughout the country 893 00:37:08,260 --> 00:37:11,370 are intensifying the terror, brutality, murder, 894 00:37:11,367 --> 00:37:13,707 - and repression of Black people. - LEILA: This is a country 895 00:37:13,714 --> 00:37:15,414 where some people have the right 896 00:37:15,405 --> 00:37:17,545 to bear arms and some people don't. 897 00:37:17,545 --> 00:37:19,505 We were in the part of the population 898 00:37:19,513 --> 00:37:20,893 that wasn't allowed to bear arms. 899 00:37:20,893 --> 00:37:23,383 So seeing these people 900 00:37:23,379 --> 00:37:26,239 on the steps of the Capitol legally with these guns 901 00:37:26,244 --> 00:37:28,524 was a huge moment. 902 00:37:28,522 --> 00:37:31,532 My two friends and I find the address 903 00:37:31,525 --> 00:37:34,355 to the secret headquarters of the Black Panther Party. 904 00:37:34,355 --> 00:37:37,285 The Harlem Office, 2022 7th Avenue. 905 00:37:37,289 --> 00:37:38,879 If you remember those old-school stores 906 00:37:38,877 --> 00:37:40,737 that had a little indentation. 907 00:37:40,741 --> 00:37:43,431 And I saw this beautiful dark-skinned Black woman 908 00:37:43,433 --> 00:37:45,403 that was different... 909 00:37:45,401 --> 00:37:47,541 Afeni Shakur. 910 00:37:47,541 --> 00:37:51,301 Brown-skinned woman, short afro, the essence of African beauty. 911 00:37:51,303 --> 00:37:53,723 I looked at that sister, like, "Yo, if everybody is like this, 912 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,239 I'm joining this." 913 00:37:55,238 --> 00:37:57,278 And that's straight up, bro. 914 00:37:57,275 --> 00:37:59,305 REPORTER: The most radical 915 00:37:59,311 --> 00:38:01,971 Black civil rights organization in this country's history. 916 00:38:01,969 --> 00:38:03,249 [music player stops] 917 00:38:07,492 --> 00:38:12,432 SHABA: Afeni... well, energetic, 918 00:38:12,428 --> 00:38:15,808 smart, quick wit, 919 00:38:15,810 --> 00:38:18,330 tolerated very little chauvinism. 920 00:38:18,330 --> 00:38:20,820 She was a very strong 921 00:38:20,815 --> 00:38:24,575 independent Black woman. 922 00:38:24,578 --> 00:38:26,678 And it was downright frightening to me, 923 00:38:26,683 --> 00:38:30,863 but intriguing at the same time. 924 00:38:30,860 --> 00:38:33,620 TUPAC: My mother had a high position in the Black Panther Party, 925 00:38:33,621 --> 00:38:35,591 which was like unheard of, 926 00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:37,319 because of course, there was sexism 927 00:38:37,315 --> 00:38:39,005 even in the Panthers. 928 00:38:39,006 --> 00:38:41,036 SHABA: When I got in the office, 929 00:38:41,042 --> 00:38:43,672 it was a feeling of exhilaration. 930 00:38:43,666 --> 00:38:47,046 Mesmerized by Afeni Shakur, to be quite honest with you. 931 00:38:47,048 --> 00:38:48,598 She was explaining what the Black Panther Party was, 932 00:38:48,602 --> 00:38:50,432 you know, the Ten-Point Program. 933 00:38:50,431 --> 00:38:51,811 MIKE WALLACE: The Ten-Point Program 934 00:38:51,812 --> 00:38:53,642 of the Panther Party forms the basis 935 00:38:53,641 --> 00:38:55,711 for almost everything they teach and do. 936 00:38:55,712 --> 00:38:59,442 I'm sitting in the back, and Afeni and Lumumba Shakur 937 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,510 were running a political education class. 938 00:39:01,511 --> 00:39:03,861 We are disciples and students of Malcolm X. 939 00:39:03,858 --> 00:39:06,618 SHABA: Lumumba Shakur was a very interesting individual. 940 00:39:06,620 --> 00:39:08,790 He was doing what I wanted to do in the streets. 941 00:39:08,794 --> 00:39:10,664 He had two wives. 942 00:39:10,658 --> 00:39:12,348 LUMUMBA: Right on, brothers. Power to the people. 943 00:39:12,350 --> 00:39:13,320 Lumumba Shakur, Black Panther Party. 944 00:39:13,316 --> 00:39:15,346 SHABA: He was a king. 945 00:39:15,353 --> 00:39:16,153 - He was entitled to do that. - That's right. 946 00:39:16,146 --> 00:39:18,386 GLORIA: Yeah, Lumumba Shakur. 947 00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:20,940 I met Lumumba Shakur when Afeni said, 948 00:39:20,944 --> 00:39:23,644 "That's my husband." 949 00:39:23,637 --> 00:39:25,047 And then she said, 950 00:39:25,052 --> 00:39:27,642 "I'm gonna be his second wife." 951 00:39:27,641 --> 00:39:30,751 And then I was, like, "What?" 952 00:39:30,747 --> 00:39:33,407 But she had already taken the name Shakur 953 00:39:33,405 --> 00:39:35,475 because of the father. 954 00:39:35,476 --> 00:39:37,716 JAMAL: Lumumba's father was a prominent imam, 955 00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:40,650 head of one of the largest mosques in Philadelphia. 956 00:39:40,654 --> 00:39:42,694 BLOOD: Saladin. He was a merchant. 957 00:39:42,690 --> 00:39:44,830 He had a lot of land in Ghana. 958 00:39:44,830 --> 00:39:48,460 Very mild-mannered guy. And he educated his son. 959 00:39:48,455 --> 00:39:50,415 LUMUMBA: Genocide is being inflicted on our people. 960 00:39:50,422 --> 00:39:52,422 That's why I'm about to be extinct, 961 00:39:52,424 --> 00:39:54,844 and be like the American-Indian in a couple more years. 962 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,840 JAMAL: Lumumba Shakur was a gang leader, 963 00:39:56,842 --> 00:39:59,572 but Lumumba and his brother Zayd Shakur 964 00:39:59,569 --> 00:40:02,019 became revolutionary nationalists, 965 00:40:02,020 --> 00:40:03,500 and they brought with them a lot of revolutionary nationalists, 966 00:40:03,504 --> 00:40:05,684 and they became Panthers. 967 00:40:05,679 --> 00:40:08,719 Lumumba had a beard and a goatee, permanent shades. 968 00:40:08,716 --> 00:40:10,856 He looked like a-- Okay. 969 00:40:10,856 --> 00:40:12,926 He looked like, to me, 970 00:40:12,927 --> 00:40:15,687 a shorter guy than I would have thought she would have. 971 00:40:15,689 --> 00:40:18,519 But he was the most commanding person in the room. 972 00:40:18,519 --> 00:40:20,759 - He had a stutter. - Even the stuttering was fly. 973 00:40:20,763 --> 00:40:22,423 He wasn't cute. 974 00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:23,730 My role model, 975 00:40:23,731 --> 00:40:26,081 my image of what a man should be. 976 00:40:26,078 --> 00:40:29,428 And there were people in the movement who weren't related, 977 00:40:29,427 --> 00:40:30,767 who changed their last name to Shakur. 978 00:40:30,773 --> 00:40:32,983 That's how powerful the name was. 979 00:40:32,982 --> 00:40:36,712 Assata Shakur was one of those people, and Mutulu Shakur. 980 00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:38,610 TUPAC: My stepfather, Mutulu Shakur, 981 00:40:38,608 --> 00:40:41,468 was also like a well-known revolutionary. 982 00:40:41,473 --> 00:40:43,583 SHABA: He's a natural healer, to the extent that 983 00:40:43,579 --> 00:40:46,059 he learned the art of acupuncture 984 00:40:46,064 --> 00:40:48,554 to help communities detox. 985 00:40:48,549 --> 00:40:51,519 Colonial warfare, mental disorder. 986 00:40:51,518 --> 00:40:55,108 As colonized subjects, it's normal to have issues from oppression. 987 00:40:55,107 --> 00:40:56,557 JAMAL: People were fighting depression, 988 00:40:56,557 --> 00:40:58,767 homelessness, drug addiction. 989 00:40:58,766 --> 00:41:00,106 When I came out of Vietnam, 990 00:41:00,112 --> 00:41:01,562 my choice of drug was heroin. 991 00:41:01,562 --> 00:41:04,432 I snort that shit. I loved that shit. 992 00:41:04,427 --> 00:41:06,427 It's like PTSD, man. 993 00:41:06,429 --> 00:41:08,119 JAMAL: Hard drugs were forbidden 994 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,670 in the Black Panther Party. 995 00:41:09,674 --> 00:41:12,164 In fact, they would go into dope spots, 996 00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:14,469 guns drawn, disarm the dealers, 997 00:41:14,472 --> 00:41:17,202 destroy the drugs, flush it down the sewer. 998 00:41:17,198 --> 00:41:19,168 So it was all that wrapped up in one 999 00:41:19,166 --> 00:41:22,826 when the Shakurs were there in that Panther office. 1000 00:41:22,825 --> 00:41:24,925 Afeni was already a section leader, 1001 00:41:24,930 --> 00:41:26,690 which is a lieutenant in the Black Panther Party 1002 00:41:26,691 --> 00:41:28,491 on the frontline with rent strikes 1003 00:41:28,486 --> 00:41:30,586 and with school takeovers. 1004 00:41:30,591 --> 00:41:33,111 So watching the two of them run a meeting, 1005 00:41:33,111 --> 00:41:34,771 one of my friends leans over, he says, 1006 00:41:34,768 --> 00:41:36,488 "Panthers is like the Mafia, man. 1007 00:41:36,494 --> 00:41:38,534 Once you join, there's no getting out." 1008 00:41:38,530 --> 00:41:41,120 And my other friend leans over and he goes, 1009 00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:43,189 "You know, you got to kill a White dude to be a Panther." 1010 00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:46,780 And I'm, like, "Kill somebody? I'm in the choir." 1011 00:41:46,780 --> 00:41:49,160 But I can't be a punk. I was like, "I don't care." 1012 00:41:49,161 --> 00:41:53,031 And big afro, skinny Jamal jumps up and goes, 1013 00:41:53,027 --> 00:41:56,547 "Choose me, brother. I'll kill a White dude right now." 1014 00:41:56,548 --> 00:41:58,138 The whole office gets quiet. 1015 00:41:58,136 --> 00:42:01,166 Lumumba calls me up, looks me up and down, 1016 00:42:01,173 --> 00:42:03,623 and reaches into the bottom drawer of the desk. 1017 00:42:03,624 --> 00:42:06,044 My heart's pounding. I was, like, 1018 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,180 "He's gonna give me a big-ass gun. What I'ma do?" 1019 00:42:09,181 --> 00:42:11,631 And he hands me a stack of books. 1020 00:42:11,632 --> 00:42:13,192 And I said, "Excuse me, brother, 1021 00:42:13,185 --> 00:42:14,805 I thought you were gonna arm me." 1022 00:42:14,808 --> 00:42:15,948 And he says, "Excuse me, young brother, 1023 00:42:15,947 --> 00:42:17,707 I just did." 1024 00:42:17,707 --> 00:42:21,847 And Afeni Shakur comes up to me, 1025 00:42:21,849 --> 00:42:24,469 and she says, "I've got my eye on you." 1026 00:42:25,715 --> 00:42:27,265 Malcolm X. 1027 00:42:27,268 --> 00:42:29,128 AFENI: I worship the written word. 1028 00:42:29,132 --> 00:42:30,652 JAMAL: Mao Tse-tung. 1029 00:42:30,651 --> 00:42:33,211 AFENI: Anything written. 1030 00:42:33,205 --> 00:42:35,585 - JAMAL: Frantz Fanon. - AFENI: It's a way for us, 1031 00:42:35,587 --> 00:42:38,247 on our own, to get information. 1032 00:42:38,245 --> 00:42:39,135 JAMAL: Fidel Castro, History Will Absolve Me. 1033 00:42:39,142 --> 00:42:41,282 AFENI: Information. 1034 00:42:41,282 --> 00:42:42,252 JAMAL: I never even heard of political power 1035 00:42:42,249 --> 00:42:44,289 comes out a barrel of a gun. 1036 00:42:44,285 --> 00:42:45,555 That was a quotation from The Little Red Book 1037 00:42:45,563 --> 00:42:47,573 by Chairman Mao. 1038 00:42:47,565 --> 00:42:49,595 The gun aspect wasn't new to me. 1039 00:42:49,601 --> 00:42:52,601 What was new was understanding what that was for. 1040 00:42:52,604 --> 00:42:55,094 It was treated as a tool for liberation, not to disrupt, 1041 00:42:55,089 --> 00:42:57,259 not to rob, not to maim. 1042 00:42:57,264 --> 00:42:59,234 MIKE WALLACE: Whatever else the Panthers may teach, 1043 00:42:59,231 --> 00:43:01,201 they do not teach racism. 1044 00:43:01,199 --> 00:43:03,029 They do not teach Black supremacy. 1045 00:43:03,028 --> 00:43:05,308 They talk about the problems of all the poor. 1046 00:43:05,306 --> 00:43:06,686 SEALE: We don't hate nobody because of their color. 1047 00:43:06,687 --> 00:43:08,757 We hate oppression. 1048 00:43:08,758 --> 00:43:11,208 We hate murder of Black people in our communities. 1049 00:43:11,209 --> 00:43:14,249 We hate the gross unemployment that exists in our community. 1050 00:43:14,246 --> 00:43:18,286 We hate Black man being taken off into the military service, 1051 00:43:18,285 --> 00:43:20,215 to be fighting for racist, decadent Americans 1052 00:43:20,218 --> 00:43:21,808 promising us freedom. 1053 00:43:21,806 --> 00:43:23,736 In the Civil War, 186,000 Black men 1054 00:43:23,739 --> 00:43:25,879 fought in the military service, 1055 00:43:25,879 --> 00:43:27,709 and we were promised freedom, and we didn't get it. 1056 00:43:27,708 --> 00:43:30,158 In the World War, 350,000 Black men fought, 1057 00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:32,609 and we were promised freedom, and we didn't get it. 1058 00:43:32,610 --> 00:43:35,650 In World War II, 850,000 Black men fought, 1059 00:43:35,647 --> 00:43:37,577 and we were promised freedom, and we didn't get it. 1060 00:43:37,580 --> 00:43:39,650 In the Korean Conflict, 1061 00:43:39,651 --> 00:43:41,241 we fought there, and we didn't get it. 1062 00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:42,969 Now here we go with the damn Vietnam War, 1063 00:43:42,965 --> 00:43:44,785 and we still ain't getting nothing 1064 00:43:44,794 --> 00:43:46,904 but racist police brutality, et cetera. 1065 00:43:46,900 --> 00:43:49,350 JAMAL: Panthers will say racism is a byproduct of capitalism, 1066 00:43:49,350 --> 00:43:52,150 recognizing that there are more White people on welfare 1067 00:43:52,146 --> 00:43:54,626 than Black folks. And if you can organize, 1068 00:43:54,632 --> 00:43:57,122 then you are dealing with true change 1069 00:43:57,117 --> 00:43:58,767 and a true rainbow alliance. 1070 00:43:58,774 --> 00:44:00,814 We're talking about class warfare. 1071 00:44:00,810 --> 00:44:03,850 ♪ I couldn't settle For being a statistic ♪ 1072 00:44:03,848 --> 00:44:06,368 ♪ Couldn't survive in this Capitalistic government ♪ 1073 00:44:06,367 --> 00:44:08,157 ♪ Because it was meant To hold us back ♪ 1074 00:44:08,162 --> 00:44:10,652 ♪ Using ignorance, Drugs to sneak attack ♪ 1075 00:44:10,648 --> 00:44:12,678 ♪ In my community, They killed the unity ♪ 1076 00:44:12,684 --> 00:44:14,864 ♪ But when I charged them Tried to claim immunity ♪ 1077 00:44:14,859 --> 00:44:17,279 ♪ I strike America Like a case of heart disease ♪ 1078 00:44:17,275 --> 00:44:19,275 ♪ Panther power is running Through my arteries ♪ 1079 00:44:19,277 --> 00:44:20,687 ♪ Panther power... 1080 00:44:20,692 --> 00:44:22,662 LEILA: And in 1989, 1081 00:44:22,660 --> 00:44:25,110 Tupac was getting really popular, 1082 00:44:25,110 --> 00:44:27,150 and everyone loved Tupac. 1083 00:44:28,424 --> 00:44:29,814 ♪ Panther power... 1084 00:44:29,805 --> 00:44:31,665 LEILA: We were throwing parties. 1085 00:44:31,669 --> 00:44:34,119 There'd be 500 people, 2,000 people. 1086 00:44:34,119 --> 00:44:36,119 ♪ Panther power... 1087 00:44:36,121 --> 00:44:38,641 LEILA: Then I had an event Atron was actually at. 1088 00:44:38,641 --> 00:44:40,781 And he was, like, 1089 00:44:40,781 --> 00:44:42,961 -"Hmm, here's my card." - ATRON: Energy. 1090 00:44:42,956 --> 00:44:45,126 The intensity of his eyes and the vibe. 1091 00:44:45,130 --> 00:44:47,720 I saw energy. 1092 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,379 ♪ Try to stop me Oh, boy you'll be clawed to death ♪ 1093 00:44:50,377 --> 00:44:52,407 ♪ 'Cause I'll be fighting for my freedom With my dying breath ♪ 1094 00:44:52,413 --> 00:44:54,833 ♪ Do you remember? That's what I'm asking you ♪ 1095 00:44:54,830 --> 00:44:56,970 ♪ You think you living free? Don't make me laugh at you ♪ 1096 00:44:56,970 --> 00:44:59,730 ♪ Open your eyes, realize You've been locked in chains ♪ 1097 00:44:59,731 --> 00:45:01,801 ♪ Said you wasn't civilized And stole your name ♪ 1098 00:45:01,802 --> 00:45:04,052 ♪ Some time has passed Seems you all forget ♪ 1099 00:45:04,046 --> 00:45:05,876 ♪ There ain't no liberty For you and me ♪ 1100 00:45:05,875 --> 00:45:07,355 ♪ We ain't free yet Panther power ♪ 1101 00:45:07,359 --> 00:45:09,259 ATRON: You know, looking back, 1102 00:45:09,258 --> 00:45:10,398 he has one of the most unique voices in hip-hop. 1103 00:45:10,397 --> 00:45:11,807 But I went out and shopped 1104 00:45:11,812 --> 00:45:13,992 Tupac to every company I knew, 1105 00:45:13,987 --> 00:45:15,367 and every company I could, and everyone turned us down. 1106 00:45:15,367 --> 00:45:16,847 ♪ Panther power 1107 00:45:16,852 --> 00:45:21,682 He said, "Look, if I don't get a deal, 1108 00:45:21,684 --> 00:45:24,794 then I'm gonna go be the chairman of the New Afrikan Panthers." 1109 00:45:24,791 --> 00:45:26,721 And I'm, like, "The New Afrikan Panthers? What's this?" 1110 00:45:42,463 --> 00:45:44,363 ATRON: Tupac understood his audience. 1111 00:45:44,362 --> 00:45:46,922 He was reading music business books 1112 00:45:46,916 --> 00:45:49,746 prior to getting a deal, just trying to understand 1113 00:45:49,747 --> 00:45:52,227 where things were with the business. 1114 00:45:52,232 --> 00:45:54,232 And with Tupac, there was kind of two sides. 1115 00:45:54,234 --> 00:45:55,794 A lot of people like to say he was a Gemini. 1116 00:45:55,787 --> 00:45:57,437 He was this, but he also 1117 00:45:57,444 --> 00:45:59,314 came from a family of Panthers. 1118 00:45:59,308 --> 00:46:02,688 So there was a constant tug and pull 1119 00:46:02,690 --> 00:46:05,140 of just wanting to be an artist 1120 00:46:05,141 --> 00:46:07,211 and having to be this person 1121 00:46:07,212 --> 00:46:09,112 who I think 1122 00:46:09,111 --> 00:46:11,731 would've ended up being a politician or activist. 1123 00:46:11,734 --> 00:46:15,054 But at that time, I didn't have a real relationship 1124 00:46:15,048 --> 00:46:17,978 with Tupac as related to his history 1125 00:46:17,982 --> 00:46:19,952 of his mother being in the Panthers 1126 00:46:19,949 --> 00:46:22,429 and how most of his mentors were in jail. 1127 00:46:22,434 --> 00:46:24,304 He never mentioned his mother to me. 1128 00:46:24,298 --> 00:46:25,298 His family was leaded. 1129 00:46:58,436 --> 00:47:00,506 LEILA: Tupac was born 1130 00:47:00,507 --> 00:47:03,477 into a family that required him 1131 00:47:03,475 --> 00:47:05,505 to be a leader, 1132 00:47:05,512 --> 00:47:07,762 and there was a real plan for Tupac. 1133 00:47:07,755 --> 00:47:09,335 He was gonna be, you know, 1134 00:47:09,343 --> 00:47:12,143 the chairman of the New Afrikan Panther Party, 1135 00:47:12,139 --> 00:47:14,309 which was a continuation 1136 00:47:14,314 --> 00:47:15,834 of the Black Panthers. 1137 00:47:17,869 --> 00:47:19,489 MAN: Now, how long have you been 1138 00:47:19,491 --> 00:47:21,221 national chairman of the New Afrikan Panthers? 1139 00:47:21,217 --> 00:47:23,007 TUPAC: I was...[chuckling] matter of fact, 1140 00:47:23,012 --> 00:47:24,502 - about, what, a week. - MAN: A week? 1141 00:47:24,496 --> 00:47:25,496 TUPAC: We had a central committee meeting. 1142 00:47:25,497 --> 00:47:27,147 We had representatives 1143 00:47:27,154 --> 00:47:29,294 from Los Angeles and Atlanta 1144 00:47:29,294 --> 00:47:31,124 and, uh, Mississippi 1145 00:47:31,124 --> 00:47:33,474 and New York, and we just had a vote. 1146 00:47:33,471 --> 00:47:35,131 WATANI: Pac was always an artist. 1147 00:47:35,128 --> 00:47:36,298 Particularly, he was a wordsmith, 1148 00:47:36,301 --> 00:47:37,541 one of the best I knew at that. 1149 00:47:37,544 --> 00:47:39,514 And so that was part of Tupac's 1150 00:47:39,511 --> 00:47:41,171 and young people's job 1151 00:47:41,168 --> 00:47:43,518 was to be griots, or use their art form 1152 00:47:43,515 --> 00:47:46,205 to talk about our movement. 1153 00:47:46,208 --> 00:47:47,968 TUPAC: It is my duty to be one 1154 00:47:47,968 --> 00:47:50,518 of many spokesmen, spokespersons. 1155 00:47:50,522 --> 00:47:53,562 And because right now, it is almost impossible 1156 00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,250 for you not to see how strong rap has gotten, 1157 00:47:56,252 --> 00:47:58,322 'cause our youth and some of our adults, 1158 00:47:58,323 --> 00:48:01,333 their ear is pinned to rap music right now. 1159 00:48:01,326 --> 00:48:02,976 And if you really want to get our message out, 1160 00:48:02,983 --> 00:48:05,333 we really need to start using our method, 1161 00:48:05,330 --> 00:48:06,880 you know what I'm saying? Even in our history, 1162 00:48:06,884 --> 00:48:08,584 poets went from village to village, 1163 00:48:08,575 --> 00:48:11,265 and that's how stories of lessons were taught. 1164 00:48:11,267 --> 00:48:15,307 But, uh, history repeats itself, and it's time to realize 1165 00:48:15,306 --> 00:48:18,236 that everything is not okay in America, you know, to get angry, you know, 1166 00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:20,350 and not angry and pick up their gun 1167 00:48:20,345 --> 00:48:22,205 but to start opening our minds, you know what I'm saying, 1168 00:48:22,209 --> 00:48:23,139 and stop sleeping. 1169 00:48:43,403 --> 00:48:46,063 JAMAL: Two of the most valuable lessons I learned in the Black Panther Party 1170 00:48:46,061 --> 00:48:47,931 came from Afeni Shakur. 1171 00:48:47,925 --> 00:48:51,305 She says, "Freedom is an abstract idea to folk. 1172 00:48:51,307 --> 00:48:53,587 To someone who is hungry, it's the meal. 1173 00:48:53,585 --> 00:48:56,655 To someone who doesn't have a place to stay, 1174 00:48:56,657 --> 00:48:59,107 it's a warm, safe place to sleep. 1175 00:48:59,108 --> 00:49:00,448 For the sick, it's medical care 1176 00:49:00,454 --> 00:49:03,154 from someone who cares." 1177 00:49:03,147 --> 00:49:05,287 One of my first days in the party, 1178 00:49:05,287 --> 00:49:07,147 a young mother comes in carrying her little girl, 1179 00:49:07,151 --> 00:49:09,391 who was crying and trembling. 1180 00:49:09,394 --> 00:49:11,504 She explains that her daughter has sickle cell anemia 1181 00:49:11,500 --> 00:49:13,610 and that she had taken her to Harlem Hospital, 1182 00:49:13,605 --> 00:49:16,125 and that they said that all she had was a cold, 1183 00:49:16,125 --> 00:49:18,325 that it was psychosomatic. 1184 00:49:18,334 --> 00:49:20,444 So Lumumba and Afeni marched to Harlem Hospital, 1185 00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,990 holding this girl. 1186 00:49:22,994 --> 00:49:25,584 And Afeni said, "You treat this young sister right now, 1187 00:49:25,583 --> 00:49:29,003 or there's gonna be a psychosomatic riot in your emergency room." 1188 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,590 But Afeni didn't leave it alone at that. 1189 00:49:30,588 --> 00:49:32,448 She formed a relationship 1190 00:49:32,452 --> 00:49:34,592 with a couple of the doctors and nurses, 1191 00:49:34,592 --> 00:49:37,352 and we would rally together outside the hospital, 1192 00:49:37,353 --> 00:49:39,463 demanding that they treat the needs of the people, 1193 00:49:39,459 --> 00:49:41,599 whether they had insurance or not. 1194 00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:44,329 And then especially Lincoln Hospital 1195 00:49:44,326 --> 00:49:48,636 became the place where Panthers and the Young Lords 1196 00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,200 started doing these takeovers. 1197 00:49:51,195 --> 00:49:53,435 "Come get tested, come get treated." 1198 00:49:53,438 --> 00:49:56,338 And they wrote the first Patient Bill of Rights, 1199 00:49:56,338 --> 00:49:59,098 the foundational document for what we see 1200 00:49:59,099 --> 00:50:01,269 in every hospital room now, 1201 00:50:01,274 --> 00:50:03,074 where a patient has a right to be treated, 1202 00:50:03,069 --> 00:50:05,279 a right to medical care whether they have money or not. 1203 00:50:05,278 --> 00:50:06,998 That was the work of Afeni Shakur, 1204 00:50:07,004 --> 00:50:08,664 Doc Dawkins, Cleo Silvers, 1205 00:50:08,660 --> 00:50:10,010 the Panthers, and the Lords. 1206 00:50:12,699 --> 00:50:15,459 GLORIA: I am in awe of my sister. 1207 00:50:15,460 --> 00:50:18,640 She either started the shit or got in the shit 1208 00:50:18,636 --> 00:50:20,016 that was already started. 1209 00:50:21,984 --> 00:50:25,064 WATANI: If she agreed to do something, 1210 00:50:25,056 --> 00:50:28,336 it was done, thoroughly. 1211 00:50:28,335 --> 00:50:31,335 So, what that made you do being in her company, 1212 00:50:31,338 --> 00:50:34,338 either step up or step off. 1213 00:50:34,341 --> 00:50:37,411 Her son, same thing. 1214 00:50:37,413 --> 00:50:40,663 It's the same type of spirit that they had. 1215 00:50:40,658 --> 00:50:44,388 WATANI: Both charismatic, both took charge of a room, 1216 00:50:44,386 --> 00:50:47,316 both intelligent, articulate, argumentative, 1217 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,530 you know, so there was a lot of Afeni there in Pac. 1218 00:50:49,529 --> 00:50:51,699 LEILA: Tupac has the biggest heart 1219 00:50:51,703 --> 00:50:53,983 of anyone that I've known. 1220 00:50:53,981 --> 00:50:56,231 He was different than anybody. 1221 00:50:56,225 --> 00:50:58,775 I mean, he was the Marvin Gaye of rap. 1222 00:50:58,779 --> 00:51:02,199 And I thought I was not managing an artist 1223 00:51:02,197 --> 00:51:04,197 but a campaign, 1224 00:51:04,199 --> 00:51:07,369 because to me, Tupac was always running for office. 1225 00:51:07,374 --> 00:51:10,454 It was always about critical mass. 1226 00:51:10,446 --> 00:51:14,376 So he was gonna go chair the New Afrikan Panther Party 1227 00:51:14,381 --> 00:51:17,451 unless he got a deal immediately 1228 00:51:17,453 --> 00:51:20,283 because that would be a faster path 1229 00:51:20,284 --> 00:51:22,394 to access what he needed. 1230 00:51:22,389 --> 00:51:25,669 And Atron was managing a group in the Bay Area. 1231 00:51:25,668 --> 00:51:27,568 TUPAC: Who's that? 1232 00:51:27,567 --> 00:51:30,357 LEILA: So he set up a meeting for us to see them. 1233 00:51:30,363 --> 00:51:32,783 TUPAC: He's in the bathroom. Let's go see who it is. 1234 00:51:32,779 --> 00:51:37,369 Oh, shit. My nigga Shocka laka, laka, laka, laka. 1235 00:51:37,370 --> 00:51:38,820 Simply trying to get the fade together here, 1236 00:51:38,819 --> 00:51:41,649 - I mean... [indistinct] - [Tupac laughing] 1237 00:51:41,650 --> 00:51:43,720 Y'all wanna see me take a shit, too? 1238 00:51:43,721 --> 00:51:44,761 - Come on, take a shit. - TUPAC: Uh-oh. This is 1239 00:51:44,756 --> 00:51:46,476 Shocka laka, laka, laka, laka... 1240 00:51:46,482 --> 00:51:47,452 - taking a shit. - SHOCK G: Taking a shit. 1241 00:51:47,449 --> 00:51:49,039 [Tupac laughing] 1242 00:51:55,112 --> 00:51:56,732 MAN: Have you ever performed 1243 00:51:56,734 --> 00:51:59,394 what, uh, people call "gangsta rap"? 1244 00:51:59,392 --> 00:52:01,152 - TUPAC: No. - MAN: Oh. 1245 00:52:01,152 --> 00:52:02,602 MAN: Have you heard the term? 1246 00:52:02,602 --> 00:52:04,472 - A lot. - MAN: Okay. 1247 00:52:04,466 --> 00:52:06,326 - A lot. - MAN: Well, what do you understand 1248 00:52:06,330 --> 00:52:07,370 the term to mean? 1249 00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,090 I understand it to be... 1250 00:52:13,302 --> 00:52:15,442 a category that mostly 1251 00:52:15,442 --> 00:52:18,342 what I've seen the media 1252 00:52:18,342 --> 00:52:21,352 and people outside the rap world classify 1253 00:52:21,345 --> 00:52:23,825 as any music other than party music. 1254 00:52:23,830 --> 00:52:26,660 - MAN: Okay. Now, Digital Underground... - [funky music plays, stops] 1255 00:52:26,660 --> 00:52:28,800 - ...what kind of music did they perform? - [funky music plays, stops] 1256 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,770 - They... - MAN: Digital Underground. 1257 00:52:31,769 --> 00:52:33,769 Party music. Strictly party music. 1258 00:52:33,771 --> 00:52:38,851 ANNOUNCER: Digital Underground! 1259 00:52:38,845 --> 00:52:41,495 ♪ All right, stop whatcha doin' 'Cause I'm about to ruin ♪ 1260 00:52:41,503 --> 00:52:43,573 ♪ The image and the style That you're used to... ♪ 1261 00:52:43,574 --> 00:52:45,784 [laughing] 1262 00:52:45,783 --> 00:52:47,163 Strictly party music. 1263 00:52:48,544 --> 00:52:50,174 MONEY B: Digital Underground 1264 00:52:50,167 --> 00:52:51,197 consisted of Shock G, 1265 00:52:51,202 --> 00:52:53,622 Chopmaster J, DJ Fuze, 1266 00:52:53,618 --> 00:52:55,718 - Money B, and of course... - SCHMOOV: What's up, y'all? 1267 00:52:55,724 --> 00:52:57,484 "Schmoov" Eddie Humphrey in the house. 1268 00:52:57,484 --> 00:52:59,494 ♪ The Humpty Dance 1269 00:52:59,486 --> 00:53:00,826 ♪ Is your chance To do the hump... ♪ 1270 00:53:00,832 --> 00:53:03,282 Hold up, though, hold up. 1271 00:53:03,283 --> 00:53:04,323 ATRON: Shock G was the mastermind 1272 00:53:04,319 --> 00:53:05,839 behind Digital Underground. 1273 00:53:05,837 --> 00:53:08,387 Fly, my nigga there. Look at that nigga. 1274 00:53:08,392 --> 00:53:09,672 ATRON: He came up with the concept, produced the music, and... 1275 00:53:09,669 --> 00:53:11,329 ♪ I once got busy 1276 00:53:11,326 --> 00:53:12,666 ♪ In a Burger King bathroom 1277 00:53:12,672 --> 00:53:14,642 ...literally a musical genius. 1278 00:53:14,639 --> 00:53:18,399 And the only hip-hop producer ever on a Prince record. 1279 00:53:18,402 --> 00:53:19,682 - MAN: Which record was it? - I don't remember. [laughs] 1280 00:53:19,679 --> 00:53:22,229 ♪ Come here, are ya ticklish? 1281 00:53:22,233 --> 00:53:23,513 ♪ Yeah, I called ya fat Look at me, I'm skinny ♪ 1282 00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:25,310 Shock, how was that? 1283 00:53:25,305 --> 00:53:27,825 I like the first one a little bit better. 1284 00:53:27,825 --> 00:53:28,855 MONEY B: This is right when we were finishing "The Humpty Dance." 1285 00:53:28,860 --> 00:53:31,520 SHOCK G: I'm at the mixing board. 1286 00:53:31,518 --> 00:53:33,898 All the sudden, H and, uh, Leila send this kid to the studio. 1287 00:53:33,900 --> 00:53:36,770 "Shock G, what's up? I'm Tupac. Do you want me to rhyme now?" 1288 00:53:36,765 --> 00:53:38,585 I was, like, "Damn, this guy's intense." 1289 00:53:38,594 --> 00:53:40,184 You know? He didn't wanna chill. 1290 00:53:40,182 --> 00:53:42,462 ["Static Mix 2" playing] 1291 00:53:53,368 --> 00:53:55,338 ATRON: Digital was getting ready to go out on the road, 1292 00:53:55,335 --> 00:53:56,605 and I said, "If we don't do something with Pac, 1293 00:53:56,612 --> 00:53:59,442 he's gonna leave." Shock said... 1294 00:53:59,443 --> 00:54:02,273 SHOCK G: "Damn, well, we don't really need any more rappers. 1295 00:54:02,273 --> 00:54:04,383 You know, we could always use a roadie. 1296 00:54:04,379 --> 00:54:05,929 We can always use a dancer." 1297 00:54:05,932 --> 00:54:07,872 Pac was, like, "Anything. 1298 00:54:07,865 --> 00:54:09,685 I just wanna get out of here before I go crazy." 1299 00:54:09,694 --> 00:54:10,904 MONEY B: He was stressed. His mom was on crack, 1300 00:54:10,902 --> 00:54:13,392 he got a little sister, 1301 00:54:13,388 --> 00:54:14,868 and he didn't know where his next meal was coming from. 1302 00:54:14,872 --> 00:54:17,532 But he knew he was a star from day one. 1303 00:54:17,530 --> 00:54:20,220 This all had happened the same time the earthquake happened. 1304 00:54:20,222 --> 00:54:22,292 [rumbling] 1305 00:54:22,293 --> 00:54:23,713 And so everyone was going crazy, 1306 00:54:23,708 --> 00:54:25,878 and "The Humpty Dance" just came about that way. 1307 00:54:25,883 --> 00:54:28,303 [baby wailing] 1308 00:54:28,299 --> 00:54:30,539 [" The Humpty Dance" by Digital Underground playing] 1309 00:54:30,543 --> 00:54:33,203 ♪ Shaking and twitching Kinda like I was smoking ♪ 1310 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,310 ♪ Crazy, whack, funky, People say ♪ 1311 00:54:35,306 --> 00:54:37,786 ♪ "You look like M.C. Hammer On crack, Humpty" ♪ 1312 00:54:37,791 --> 00:54:39,721 SHOCK G: " The Humpty Dance" threw us around the world immediately. 1313 00:54:39,724 --> 00:54:41,554 So being that we were so large, 1314 00:54:41,554 --> 00:54:42,974 you can only expect people to play into it. 1315 00:54:42,969 --> 00:54:44,419 But it was beyond that with Tupac. 1316 00:54:44,419 --> 00:54:46,459 The very first day 1317 00:54:46,455 --> 00:54:47,725 of his very first tour, the soundman was fucking up 1318 00:54:47,732 --> 00:54:49,672 our music, and Tupac swings on him. 1319 00:54:49,665 --> 00:54:52,455 Luckily, Atron was there to catch him. 1320 00:54:52,461 --> 00:54:54,391 But damn, he was, like, "I'm gonna show these guys. 1321 00:54:54,394 --> 00:54:55,264 I'm gonna knock this motherfucker out for y'all." 1322 00:54:55,257 --> 00:54:56,597 ♪ Gather round 1323 00:54:56,603 --> 00:54:58,923 ♪ I'm the new fool in town 1324 00:54:58,916 --> 00:55:00,806 ♪ And my sound's laid down By the Underground... ♪ 1325 00:55:00,814 --> 00:55:03,374 SHOCK G: He was very loyal. He wanted to please. 1326 00:55:03,369 --> 00:55:05,749 He rolled in, he'd load the bus, he carried the equipment. 1327 00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:07,650 And it was never no flak with him. 1328 00:55:07,649 --> 00:55:09,479 CHOPMASTER J: Tupac knew the magic words, 1329 00:55:09,478 --> 00:55:11,408 because he understood making himself of service. 1330 00:55:11,411 --> 00:55:14,621 "Chop, what can I do to help so that I can be put on?" 1331 00:55:14,621 --> 00:55:16,311 ♪ Oh, do me, baby 1332 00:55:18,763 --> 00:55:20,253 SHOCK G: He moved up through the ranks 1333 00:55:20,247 --> 00:55:21,277 of Digital Underground quickly. 1334 00:55:21,283 --> 00:55:23,353 Earned our respect. 1335 00:55:23,354 --> 00:55:25,364 That's why Pac wound up on "Same Song." 1336 00:55:25,356 --> 00:55:26,316 ♪ Now I clown around When I hang around ♪ 1337 00:55:26,323 --> 00:55:28,843 ♪ With my Underground 1338 00:55:28,842 --> 00:55:30,782 ♪ Girls use to frown, Say I'm down When I come round ♪ 1339 00:55:30,775 --> 00:55:32,845 ♪ Gas me, and when they pass me They use to diss me ♪ 1340 00:55:32,846 --> 00:55:35,056 ♪ Harass me, but now they Ask me if they can kiss me ♪ 1341 00:55:35,055 --> 00:55:37,395 ♪ Get some fame, people change Wanna live they life high ♪ 1342 00:55:37,403 --> 00:55:39,853 ♪ Same song can't go wrong If I play the nice guy ♪ 1343 00:55:39,853 --> 00:55:42,553 ♪ Claiming fame, Must have changed, Now that we became strong ♪ 1344 00:55:42,546 --> 00:55:43,816 - ♪ I remain still the same - ♪ Why Tu? 1345 00:55:43,823 --> 00:55:45,623 ♪ 'Cause it's the same song 1346 00:55:45,618 --> 00:55:47,968 TUPAC: Shock G made sure people saw me 1347 00:55:47,965 --> 00:55:51,655 as a member of the group and not the posse, and because he did that, 1348 00:55:51,658 --> 00:55:54,488 it gave me a courage and a confidence to really just do what I want. 1349 00:55:54,489 --> 00:55:56,729 That's the best thing one human being could do for another one. 1350 00:55:56,732 --> 00:56:00,982 SHOCK G: The hardest-working man in hip-hop, hands down. 1351 00:56:00,978 --> 00:56:04,428 At the time in '91, we were on tour constantly. 1352 00:56:04,430 --> 00:56:08,880 Most of our visual memories of Tupac is with a pen and pad. 1353 00:56:08,882 --> 00:56:10,752 His hotel room looked like a bomb went off. 1354 00:56:10,746 --> 00:56:12,706 Blunt scrapings on every counter. 1355 00:56:12,714 --> 00:56:14,684 He just wasn't thinking about that mundane shit. 1356 00:56:14,681 --> 00:56:16,721 Always writing. 1357 00:56:16,718 --> 00:56:18,058 ATRON: He wanted to be the best he could be, 1358 00:56:18,064 --> 00:56:19,034 he wanted to be number one. 1359 00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:20,930 Sometimes in the morning, 1360 00:56:20,929 --> 00:56:23,069 Tupac would've read two papers, a book, 1361 00:56:23,069 --> 00:56:24,759 listened to two records, 1362 00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:26,830 watched a movie by 8:00, 9:00 in the morning, 1363 00:56:26,831 --> 00:56:29,111 and probably smoked a half-ounce of weed. 1364 00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:32,389 How else do you become number one than studying people at the top? 1365 00:56:32,389 --> 00:56:35,429 MONEY B: Hip-hop was changing with N.W.A. 1366 00:56:35,426 --> 00:56:39,776 The aggressive, hardcore mentality was more glorified. 1367 00:56:39,775 --> 00:56:42,425 But every morning, 1368 00:56:42,433 --> 00:56:44,403 Tupac would always be in the back of the tour bus... 1369 00:56:46,541 --> 00:56:48,411 in his feelings, like a ritual... 1370 00:56:49,682 --> 00:56:52,692 blasting some Mariah Carey. 1371 00:56:52,685 --> 00:56:54,755 "Visions of Love." 1372 00:56:54,756 --> 00:56:57,446 And he's trying to explain what it means. 1373 00:56:57,448 --> 00:56:59,108 And he's, like, "You don't understand, This is Mariah Carey." 1374 00:56:59,105 --> 00:57:01,105 ATRON: He listened to all types of music 1375 00:57:01,107 --> 00:57:02,867 that were on the charts, and say, "What are they doing?" 1376 00:57:02,867 --> 00:57:05,107 What are their lyrics? What is their sound?" 1377 00:57:05,111 --> 00:57:07,111 And I know that him and Leila worked on a plan. 1378 00:57:07,113 --> 00:57:09,633 Tupac wanted to seduce the children 1379 00:57:09,633 --> 00:57:11,053 of White America. 1380 00:57:11,048 --> 00:57:12,598 TUPAC: I had a whole energy 1381 00:57:12,601 --> 00:57:14,781 that represents not just Black youth, 1382 00:57:14,776 --> 00:57:16,776 but White youth, Mexican youth-- youth. 1383 00:57:16,778 --> 00:57:19,708 LEILA: He felt strongly that in order to make shifts, 1384 00:57:19,712 --> 00:57:21,542 we had to do it together. 1385 00:57:21,541 --> 00:57:24,651 It was soft, but let me give him credit. 1386 00:57:24,648 --> 00:57:27,438 He had his vulnerable side, or whatever you wanna call it, 1387 00:57:27,444 --> 00:57:29,454 and he wasn't afraid to show it. 1388 00:57:29,446 --> 00:57:30,446 And we were actually in New York 1389 00:57:30,447 --> 00:57:32,617 when a script was given to me 1390 00:57:32,621 --> 00:57:34,111 to audition for this movie, Juice. 1391 00:57:34,105 --> 00:57:35,935 This is, like, the making-of. 1392 00:57:35,935 --> 00:57:38,455 Hey, the making-of. 1393 00:57:38,455 --> 00:57:42,005 Now, little do y'all know, it's all a bluff. 1394 00:57:42,010 --> 00:57:44,150 I don't know how the script was given to me, 'cause I'm not an actor. 1395 00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:45,770 Like, I didn't know how to cry or anything. 1396 00:57:45,772 --> 00:57:48,122 I'm shaking, I'm nervous as fuck. 1397 00:57:48,119 --> 00:57:48,979 But as I'm reading the script, this character, Bishop, 1398 00:57:48,982 --> 00:57:50,922 reminds me of Tupac. 1399 00:57:50,915 --> 00:57:52,775 And I was, like, "You should read for this." 1400 00:57:52,779 --> 00:57:54,919 So Tupac goes in the room. 1401 00:57:54,919 --> 00:57:57,509 And now Tupac is killing it. You can hear claps and shit. 1402 00:57:57,508 --> 00:57:59,988 We run from Radames. We run from security guards. 1403 00:57:59,993 --> 00:58:03,133 We run from old man Quiles in this fucking bullshit store 1404 00:58:03,134 --> 00:58:05,694 when he come with that bullshit gun! 1405 00:58:05,689 --> 00:58:07,619 All we do is fucking run! 1406 00:58:07,622 --> 00:58:09,762 I feel like I'm on a goddamn track team. 1407 00:58:09,762 --> 00:58:11,592 ATRON: He was probably at his happiest place. 1408 00:58:11,591 --> 00:58:13,941 MAN: That was the time of his life. 1409 00:58:13,938 --> 00:58:15,658 And then I get a call that there's a hot 1410 00:58:15,664 --> 00:58:17,804 new artist-friendly label named Interscope 1411 00:58:17,804 --> 00:58:19,774 that want to make a deal with us. 1412 00:58:19,772 --> 00:58:22,532 He was over-the-moon excited. 1413 00:58:22,533 --> 00:58:25,193 But I made him open a bank account. 1414 00:58:25,191 --> 00:58:28,681 The police saw him walking across the street 1415 00:58:28,677 --> 00:58:31,677 to go get some money out of the bank. 1416 00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,200 REPORTER: Shakur admitted jaywalking 1417 00:58:33,199 --> 00:58:35,819 in downtown Oakland, October 17th, 1418 00:58:35,822 --> 00:58:38,622 and also arguing with the officers, even using profanity. 1419 00:58:38,618 --> 00:58:40,968 But he said his treatment didn't fit the crime. 1420 00:58:40,965 --> 00:58:43,235 I think they used a little bit too much force, because, I mean, 1421 00:58:43,243 --> 00:58:46,113 he was already handcuffed, and they were still hitting him. 1422 00:58:46,108 --> 00:58:48,628 ATRON: Another change. 1423 00:58:48,628 --> 00:58:52,178 This is a point when he became a television activist. 1424 00:58:58,742 --> 00:59:00,232 MAN: Could you spell your name for the record 1425 00:59:00,226 --> 00:59:01,636 so we know that it's T-U-P-A-C? 1426 00:59:01,641 --> 00:59:04,061 TUPAC: Yes. Tupac. 1427 00:59:04,057 --> 00:59:05,507 MAN: Family name? 1428 00:59:05,507 --> 00:59:08,677 Shakur. S-H-A-K-U-R. 1429 00:59:08,683 --> 00:59:10,133 Shakur. 1430 00:59:10,132 --> 00:59:11,932 KAREN: Tupac always knew 1431 00:59:11,927 --> 00:59:14,517 that his name would draw attention, 1432 00:59:14,516 --> 00:59:16,656 but this was the first time 1433 00:59:16,656 --> 00:59:20,586 I think he had been physically... 1434 00:59:20,591 --> 00:59:23,531 abused that way. 1435 00:59:23,525 --> 00:59:26,765 He was irate. 1436 00:59:26,770 --> 00:59:30,770 Afeni was in rehab in Connecticut. 1437 00:59:30,774 --> 00:59:32,914 He said, "I need for her to get better, 'cause I need her." 1438 00:59:32,914 --> 00:59:34,924 I remember him saying specifically that, 1439 00:59:34,916 --> 00:59:37,846 "I need for her to get better, 'cause I need her." 1440 00:59:37,850 --> 00:59:39,750 RYAN: Yeah, the police messed him up. 1441 00:59:39,748 --> 00:59:42,678 He had knots on his head. He got messed up. 1442 00:59:42,682 --> 00:59:44,752 That's why he had to cut his hair off. 1443 00:59:44,753 --> 00:59:46,933 KAREN: He got alopecia. 1444 00:59:46,928 --> 00:59:48,688 And that's when he started shaving his head, 1445 00:59:48,688 --> 00:59:51,098 because the hair wasn't coming back in. 1446 00:59:51,104 --> 00:59:54,764 So that showed us that there was something going on internally 1447 00:59:54,763 --> 00:59:56,283 that he just wasn't talking about. 1448 00:59:56,282 --> 00:59:58,802 And Afeni called me, 1449 00:59:58,802 --> 01:00:03,812 concerned how was her past gonna affect his future? 1450 01:00:03,807 --> 01:00:07,567 AFENI: He came here the son of a radical. 1451 01:00:07,569 --> 01:00:10,259 This country does not look kindly on those people. 1452 01:00:10,261 --> 01:00:12,781 REPORTER: In Oakland today, 1453 01:00:12,781 --> 01:00:14,711 a Black musician filed a $10 million claim 1454 01:00:14,714 --> 01:00:16,794 against two White police officers, 1455 01:00:16,785 --> 01:00:19,335 saying they assaulted him physically and verbally 1456 01:00:19,339 --> 01:00:21,889 after arresting him for jaywalking. 1457 01:00:21,894 --> 01:00:24,284 Tupac Shakur is a member of the popular rap group 1458 01:00:24,275 --> 01:00:25,785 Digital Underground. 1459 01:00:25,794 --> 01:00:27,184 TUPAC: I was walking to Union Bank. 1460 01:00:27,175 --> 01:00:29,065 I was going to withdraw money. 1461 01:00:29,073 --> 01:00:30,283 I had my bank cards in my hand, my beeper was going off. 1462 01:00:30,281 --> 01:00:32,181 I'm running across the street. 1463 01:00:32,180 --> 01:00:34,150 The police officer stopped me on the sidewalk 1464 01:00:34,147 --> 01:00:36,287 and asked to see my ID. 1465 01:00:36,287 --> 01:00:38,807 He sweated me about my name, like, 1466 01:00:38,807 --> 01:00:41,637 "I can't believe your mother named you that." 1467 01:00:41,638 --> 01:00:43,738 And they were charging me with jaywalking. 1468 01:00:43,743 --> 01:00:46,093 So I was riffing and arguing about... 1469 01:00:46,090 --> 01:00:48,130 why would they charge me with such a petty crime? 1470 01:00:48,127 --> 01:00:51,717 The officers said, "You are not above the law, 1471 01:00:51,717 --> 01:00:54,167 and just because you're in a rap group don't make you different. 1472 01:00:54,167 --> 01:00:55,817 You have to learn your place." 1473 01:00:55,824 --> 01:00:57,144 And they said, "You have to learn 1474 01:00:57,136 --> 01:00:58,926 how to treat the police officers of Oakland." 1475 01:00:58,931 --> 01:01:00,311 So I kept yelling, "Just give me the citation. 1476 01:01:00,311 --> 01:01:02,041 Let me go about my business." 1477 01:01:02,037 --> 01:01:03,867 That was a problem. 1478 01:01:03,867 --> 01:01:05,277 But after I said that, I was in a choke hold, 1479 01:01:05,282 --> 01:01:07,182 which is known as the sleeper. 1480 01:01:07,180 --> 01:01:10,840 Officer Boyovich repeatedly slammed my face into the floor 1481 01:01:10,839 --> 01:01:12,979 while Rodgers put the cuffs on me. 1482 01:01:12,979 --> 01:01:15,259 They was happy after I was unconscious in cuffs on the floor. 1483 01:01:19,296 --> 01:01:21,326 AFENI: For every young Black male child, 1484 01:01:21,332 --> 01:01:24,162 at some point in his life, 1485 01:01:24,163 --> 01:01:27,243 there is 90% possibility 1486 01:01:27,235 --> 01:01:30,375 that some person is going to look at that child 1487 01:01:30,376 --> 01:01:33,406 and denote to that child 1488 01:01:33,413 --> 01:01:37,353 what his station in life will be in this country. 1489 01:01:39,765 --> 01:01:42,795 The police beat my son in the streets of Oakland 1490 01:01:42,802 --> 01:01:44,842 because his name was Tupac Amaru Shakur 1491 01:01:44,839 --> 01:01:46,699 and not Joe Blow. 1492 01:01:46,703 --> 01:01:48,263 TUPAC: My spirit was broke, 1493 01:01:48,256 --> 01:01:50,846 because after I made consciousness again, 1494 01:01:50,845 --> 01:01:53,425 they kept joking about... [coughs] "I can't breathe. I can't breathe." 1495 01:01:53,433 --> 01:01:56,403 'Cause I couldn't breathe. The breath was taken from me. 1496 01:01:56,402 --> 01:01:58,402 AFENI: What I wanted for my son 1497 01:01:58,404 --> 01:02:00,374 is when they did that, 1498 01:02:00,371 --> 01:02:03,651 I wanted him to have a place where he found beauty, 1499 01:02:03,650 --> 01:02:06,720 integrity and strength within himself. 1500 01:02:06,723 --> 01:02:08,413 He could fight back at that. 1501 01:02:08,414 --> 01:02:10,114 And I thought that was the most important thing 1502 01:02:10,105 --> 01:02:11,995 I could give to my son. 1503 01:02:12,004 --> 01:02:13,944 TUPAC: On every single track on my album, 1504 01:02:13,937 --> 01:02:16,107 I talk about the injustices of the young Black males. 1505 01:02:16,111 --> 01:02:18,391 And in my album, the number one enemy is the police, 1506 01:02:18,389 --> 01:02:20,389 the crooked police officer. 1507 01:02:20,391 --> 01:02:22,121 And the ironic thing is that it never happened to me. 1508 01:02:22,117 --> 01:02:24,427 I was speaking from stories of my peers. 1509 01:02:24,430 --> 01:02:26,400 [indistinct chattering] 1510 01:02:26,397 --> 01:02:28,747 I missed my video debuting on MTV. 1511 01:02:28,745 --> 01:02:30,815 First-time world premiere. 1512 01:02:30,816 --> 01:02:33,466 I spent seven hours in jail for getting beat on by police. 1513 01:02:33,473 --> 01:02:35,683 And I'm in jail while my video is being premiered. 1514 01:02:37,788 --> 01:02:39,068 ♪ Hands up, throw me up Against the wall ♪ 1515 01:02:39,065 --> 01:02:41,205 ♪ Didn't do a thing at all 1516 01:02:41,205 --> 01:02:42,965 ♪ Telling you one day These suckers got to fall ♪ 1517 01:02:42,966 --> 01:02:44,966 ♪ Cuffed up, throw me On the concrete ♪ 1518 01:02:44,968 --> 01:02:47,378 ♪ Coppers try to kill me But they didn't know ♪ 1519 01:02:47,384 --> 01:02:48,804 ♪ This was the wrong street, Bang, bang ♪ 1520 01:02:48,799 --> 01:02:50,869 ♪ Count another casualty 1521 01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:52,290 ♪ But it's a cop Who's shot for his brutality ♪ 1522 01:02:52,285 --> 01:02:54,285 ♪ Who do you blame? 1523 01:02:54,287 --> 01:02:56,317 ♪ It's a shame Because the man's slain ♪ 1524 01:02:56,324 --> 01:02:58,914 ♪ He got caught in the chains Of his own game ♪ 1525 01:02:58,913 --> 01:03:01,403 ♪ How can I feel guilty After all the things They did to me? ♪ 1526 01:03:01,398 --> 01:03:04,298 ♪ Sweated me, hunted me Trapped in my own community ♪ 1527 01:03:04,297 --> 01:03:06,777 ♪ One day I'm gonna bust Blow up on this society ♪ 1528 01:03:06,783 --> 01:03:08,473 ♪ Why did you lie to me? 1529 01:03:08,474 --> 01:03:10,444 ♪ I couldn't find A trace of equality ♪ 1530 01:03:10,441 --> 01:03:11,791 ♪ Work me like a slave While they laid back ♪ 1531 01:03:11,788 --> 01:03:13,958 ♪ Homey don't play that 1532 01:03:13,962 --> 01:03:15,902 ♪ It's time I let them Suffer the payback ♪ 1533 01:03:15,895 --> 01:03:17,965 ♪ I'm trying To avoid physical contact ♪ 1534 01:03:17,966 --> 01:03:20,446 ♪ I can't hold back, It's time to attack ♪ 1535 01:03:20,451 --> 01:03:22,211 ♪ Jack, they got me trapped 1536 01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:26,349 AFENI: Today, no matter what, 1537 01:03:26,354 --> 01:03:28,844 I thank God that I gave him. 1538 01:03:28,839 --> 01:03:33,809 I remember the last time I tried to spank my son. 1539 01:03:33,810 --> 01:03:36,260 And he was too old for me to spank then. 1540 01:03:36,260 --> 01:03:38,300 He was about 13 years old. 1541 01:03:38,297 --> 01:03:40,467 And I raised my hand to hit him. 1542 01:03:40,471 --> 01:03:43,101 And he didn't try to hit me back, 1543 01:03:43,095 --> 01:03:45,815 but he blocked the blows. 1544 01:03:45,822 --> 01:03:48,482 And from here he looked at me and he said, 1545 01:03:48,479 --> 01:03:53,169 "I'm never going to let anybody beat me down." 1546 01:03:53,174 --> 01:03:54,424 And you know what? 1547 01:03:54,416 --> 01:03:56,276 [chuckles] 1548 01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:58,390 Stopped me in my tracks. 1549 01:03:58,386 --> 01:04:01,456 TUPAC: ♪ Nightmare That's what I am ♪ 1550 01:04:01,458 --> 01:04:03,488 ♪ America's nightmare 1551 01:04:03,494 --> 01:04:05,394 ♪ I am what you made me 1552 01:04:05,393 --> 01:04:08,573 ♪ The hate and the evil That you gave me ♪ 1553 01:04:08,568 --> 01:04:11,188 ♪ I shine as a reminder of what You've done to my people ♪ 1554 01:04:11,192 --> 01:04:14,472 ♪ For 400-plus years 1555 01:04:14,471 --> 01:04:16,891 ♪ You should be scared 1556 01:04:16,887 --> 01:04:18,887 ♪ You should be running 1557 01:04:18,889 --> 01:04:22,309 ♪ You should be Trying to silence me ♪ 1558 01:04:22,306 --> 01:04:25,896 ♪ Ha, but you cannot Escape fate ♪ 1559 01:04:25,896 --> 01:04:27,376 ♪ For it is my turn to come 1560 01:04:27,380 --> 01:04:29,560 ♪ 2pacalypse 1561 01:04:29,555 --> 01:04:31,175 ♪ America's nightmare 1562 01:04:33,386 --> 01:04:34,486 ♪ Come on, come on 1563 01:04:34,491 --> 01:04:36,321 ♪ I see no changes 1564 01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:38,360 ♪ Wake up in the morning And I ask myself ♪ 1565 01:04:38,357 --> 01:04:40,497 ♪ "Is life worth living? Should I blast myself?" ♪ 1566 01:04:40,497 --> 01:04:43,257 ♪ I'm tired of being poor Even worse, I'm Black ♪ 1567 01:04:43,258 --> 01:04:44,808 ♪ My stomach hurts So I'm looking for a purse To snatch ♪ 1568 01:04:44,811 --> 01:04:46,611 ♪ Cops give a damn About a Negro ♪ 1569 01:04:46,606 --> 01:04:48,606 ♪ Pull the trigger Kill a nigga, he's a hero ♪ 1570 01:04:48,608 --> 01:04:50,988 ♪ Give the crack to the kids Who the hell cares? ♪ 1571 01:04:50,990 --> 01:04:53,230 ♪ One less hungry mouth On the welfare ♪ 1572 01:04:53,234 --> 01:04:55,344 ♪ First ship them dope And let them deal to brothers ♪ 1573 01:04:55,339 --> 01:04:57,579 ♪ Give them guns, step back Watch them kill each other ♪ 1574 01:04:57,583 --> 01:04:59,413 ♪ "It's time to fight back," That's what Huey said ♪ 1575 01:04:59,412 --> 01:05:01,932 ♪ Two shots in the dark, Now Huey's dead ♪ 1576 01:05:01,932 --> 01:05:04,002 ♪ I got love for my brother But we can never go nowhere ♪ 1577 01:05:04,003 --> 01:05:05,563 ♪ Unless we share With each other ♪ 1578 01:05:05,556 --> 01:05:07,246 ♪ We got to start Making changes ♪ 1579 01:05:07,248 --> 01:05:09,248 ♪ Learn to see me As a brother ♪ 1580 01:05:09,250 --> 01:05:10,940 ♪ Instead of two Distant strangers ♪ 1581 01:05:10,941 --> 01:05:11,841 ♪ And that's how It's supposed to be... ♪126042

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