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Do you ever wonder about
the different ways of dying?
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You know, violently.
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Brains.
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Nostalgia plays
such a heavy part
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in, you know,
what you grow up with.
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The thing about horror
that I really, really love --
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It was this
kind of counterculture,
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"Fuck you" attitude,
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and it was something
that your parents hated.
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Rusler: Sex, drugs, and rock
'n' roll in the '80s, right?
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Well, it became a lot more
than that.
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We were rock stars in the '80s.
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We were busier
than we'd ever been.
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The amount of horror movies
that came out in the '80s
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was enormous.
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The output was insane worldwide.
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Horror films really did open
the floodgates.
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Englund:
Horror, splatter, gore.
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Great Grand Guignol.
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That horror stew.
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Savini: Why did it affect me
so strongly?
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I mean, it really changed
everything.
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No!
Allen:
A good horror film can be scary,
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but it can also make you laugh.
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It just picked something
in my brain.
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You're taken on this wild ride
emotionally.
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You're being terrified,
you're laughing,
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they relax you,
they make you laugh,
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then they scare you again.
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I'm a scaredy-cat.
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Rusler:
When I see a good horror movie,
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the first thing I want to do
when I get out of there
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is I want to fight or fuck.
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I look now at the '80s.
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There's never gonna be
another time like it.
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That's for damn sure.
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Hey kids, welcome to prime time!
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The key to understanding
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what made the films of the '80s
so great
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is to understand the influences
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that all the filmmakers had
as kids.
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It was clear that these
filmmakers were showing love
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for the movies of the past.
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There's a cycle.
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People who grew up on something
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relay that back
for a younger generation.
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So it's always this wheel
turning of, like,
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what's popular at one point
comes back around again.
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Good ones became
all-time classics
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while the bad ones became
cult favorites.
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Peterson: When I was doing
"Movie Macabre,"
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I saw myself
as kind of a librarian...
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...exposing a new generation
of new people
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to these horror films
that I grew up with
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and that I loved
when I was young.
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I think it was important
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to curate these movies from
the past for a new audience.
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Unpleasant dreams.
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I was 8 years old in 1954,
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when "The Creature
From the Black Lagoon"
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hit the movie theaters, okay?
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Announcer:
A throwback to a creature
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that had existed
100 million years ago.
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In those days, I believed
that monsters were real.
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Frankenstein, the Wolf Man --
they were real.
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It's not until I saw
"Man of a Thousand Faces"
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that that showed me, "Oh,
somebody creates this stuff."
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Announcer: Yes, Lon Chaney was
all of these --
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The Hunchback of Notre Dame,
The Miracle Man,
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the Phantom of the Opera.
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Somebody says
"Oh, that's an old movie."
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Well, it's not old
if you haven't seen it.
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I fell in love with horror
when I was a young kid.
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"Bride of Frankenstein"
was my favorite.
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She's alive!
Alive!
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In the early '50s, I saw
"Thing From Another World."
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Howard Hawks.
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Oh, my God. That -- Oh, geez.
I loved that.
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It was kind of serendipitous,
my life in horror movies.
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The very first horror movie
that I remember seeing
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was actually
a science-fiction film
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called "It Came
From Outer Space" in 3-D.
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And that meant
a gigantic impression --
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because of the 3-D process.
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A meteor in the beginning
came out of the screen
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and blew up in my little face.
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I ran screaming.
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As a kid, I just couldn't get
enough of it.
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"Horror of Dracula"
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with Christopher Lee
and Peter Cushing.
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The iconic first reveal
of Dracula,
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with the bloodshot
contact lenses
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and the blood around his mouth
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when he snarls
at Jonathan Harker.
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It's just --
I'll never forget that image.
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Vampires, werewolves
were always --
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They're staples.
They're the original movies
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to show the manifestation
of our monsters.
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The film that gave me nightmares
for several years --
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and this is hard to admit --
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was "Abbott and Costello Meet
Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde."
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That movie scared the crap
out of me.
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And, you know, it's funny
when I look back at it.
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I see elements of "Re-Animator"
in that film.
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You turn into Mr. Hyde
by getting an injection.
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So these guys with syringes
are running around,
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you know, in this movie,
very much like "Re-Animator."
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One more dose!
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"The Brain That Wouldn't Die."
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I was 8.
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It's really sort of
an early echo of "Re-Animator."
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All she would say is...
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Let me die.
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Let me die.
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But the idea was horrifying
to me.
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The first R-rated horror movie
I ever saw was "The Omen."
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It's all for you!
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I was 13 years old.
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My dad took me.
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I was raised Catholic,
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so that decapitation
of David Warner
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made a huge impression on me.
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And I've decapitated many people
in my movies over the years.
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I think it's one of the finest
ways of murdering someone.
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I was a big horror guy.
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In the '60s,
we had "Chiller Theatre."
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That was my Saturday night
go-to.
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I lovedthat stuff.
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My mother let me watch
"The Birds"
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when it came on television.
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I remember saying, "How could
you let me watch that?"
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But my mom was super cool.
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"Psycho."
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I was 10 years old.
My parents took me.
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I don't know if they had a clue
what we were going to see,
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but it certainly impacted
mylife.
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We all go a little mad
sometimes.
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We're all sitting there
with our Chico Bon Bons
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and our hot buttered popcorn
and our Good & Plenty,
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you know, waiting for the movie.
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Announcer:
Now all the images of horror,
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the demons of your mind...
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That was, like,
this great fan-boy memory for me
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of how important that was to us.
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I'm a silly goose, ain't I?
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I'm telling you.
I love that old scary stuff.
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Dario Argento kicked off
the 1980s with "Inferno,"
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which was a continuation
of his "Mother of Tears" trilogy
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after "Suspiria."
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Basically took us
into an apartment building
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in New York City,
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and I think shows how their
sort of desire to infiltrate
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into American cinema was
very much there and prevalent.
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It feels like an amalgamation
of a lot of Argento movies.
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For me, probably the biggest
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and most impressive set piece
in that film
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is the underwater sequence
that we see early on,
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where it feels impossibly long.
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You're kind of holding
your breath with her.
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And yet it's so beautiful
and so tranquil,
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and it's such a fun
juxtaposition
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against everything else
in that movie.
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And with "Inferno,"
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you don't really get
a full-on viewing of the witch.
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You get sort of these glimpses
of her and her hands
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and the cauldron.
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Argento, as opposed to
just sort of showing his cards,
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he still plays with viewers
and kind of still holds back.
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There's definitely moments
of animal cruelty in "Inferno"
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that I think makes it
uncomfortable
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for a lot of folks.
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Ultimately, "Inferno" wraps up
with the reveal of the witch...
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...and then, basically,
the building ends up in flames,
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which is very similar
to how "Suspiria" ends.
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but then "Inferno" kind of
takes it to another level
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with sort of death incarnate
making an appearance.
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"Inferno" is Argento, like,
really flexing his muscles.
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He's got a couple hits
under his belt,
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he's got some money, and he's
going for it in the early '80s.
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"Inferno" is one of those films.
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Announcer:
"Humanoids From the Deep."
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"Humanoids From the Deep."
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This is top-notch exploitation
from my buddy Roger Corman.
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This one features fishy mutants
trying to accost women
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so that they can be fruitful
and multiply.
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Not very PC, is it?
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Corman's mantra for the film
was literally the monsters
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need to kill all the men
and rape all the women.
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Oh! No!
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It was actually directed
by a woman, Barbara Peeters.
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Now, whether or not
Corman hired her
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to deflect some of the criticism
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from the movie's more exploitive
elements, I don't know.
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I do know that he requested
that a bunch more violence
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and nudity be added
in postproduction,
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which she was not happy
with him about.
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The humanoid costumes
are actually pretty cool.
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Rather than just the typical,
you know,
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"Creature From the
Black Lagoon"-style fish man...
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"Humanoids From the Deep"
was done so quickly.
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And it was a very low-budget
film on the producers' part.
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I ended up playing a humanoid.
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Every time --
three hours to get into the suit
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and three hours
to get out of it,
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because of all the -- you know,
putting the slimy seaweed
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to hide the unfinished parts
on it.
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Tenold:
The finale of the movie
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just goes completely
balls to the wall.
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It's fish men killing people.
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They're ripping bikinis
off of women.
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Corman was like, "You know what?
This movie's rated R.
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We're gonna earn that rating."
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Johnson: Barbara really liked
the way I took bullet hits.
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And so every time you see a
humanoid get shot in that movie,
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it's me.
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Help!
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"Humanoids From the Deep"
is a better creature feature
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than you'd expect
from Roger Corman.
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The end stinger
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is pretty much an "Alien"
chestburster rip-off...
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...but it's still fun.
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Announcer: No one can escape
on Mother's Day, because...
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Mother's Day never ends.
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Two depraved brothers
kidnap friends
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who are on a camping trip
and then torture and rape them.
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This movie is very deranged.
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It's very depraved.
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It's very much something
that you could never make
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in this day and age.
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Ike and Addley are just
two filthy redneck --
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just psycho monsters.
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And, of course, all orchestrated
by the mom.
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Darlings, you have
made your mother very proud.
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Their house is just disgusting.
It's cluttered.
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They eat like pigs.
They eat like slobs.
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She thinks it's funny, 'cause
she's the fucked-up mother.
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It's just -- It's a real --
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Ugh.
it's a dirty movie.
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One of the best deaths
of all time
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was when they finally do escape.
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Pouring the Drano
down his throat.
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Then he's just vomiting up,
like, red --
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You would assume
it's his entrails.
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There's another amazing scene
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where they're trying to escape
down the side of the house
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with a sleeping bag,
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and the laces
of the sleeping bag
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are just cutting into her palms.
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It just looks real.
It looks gross.
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Like, what would you do?
You know, it's your friend.
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It does have some humor in it,
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but once again,
it's very black, dark humor.
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I swear sometimes you boys
are just like lil' savages.
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It's more
of a social commentary.
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Gore and comedy and --
But it's a masterpiece.
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Charles Kaufman wrote it
and directed it.
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In the 1980s, when it came out,
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it had a full-page ad
in The New York Times.
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Full page.
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And was distributed as if
it was, you know, an MGM movie.
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It was distributed
by an independent.
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They put a lot of money
into when it came out.
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It would never happen today.
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"Mother's Day" had at least
100 theaters when it opened.
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Jericho:
As horrific as it sounds, rape,
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in the '70s and early '80s
in horror movies
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was used as a plot device,
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specifically
in "Last House on the Left."
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I mean, that whole movie
is based around that.
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You would never see that now --
nor shouldyou see that now,
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but "Mother's Day" is the same
for that,
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where it's just over-the-top,
horrific things happening
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to these poor women, who then
have to go get their revenge
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by murdering the people who did
these horrible things to them.
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Aah!
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It's hard to watch.
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Because yeah, they get
their comeuppance in the end,
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but was it worth it?
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Like, these poor people.
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You don't leave those movies
going, "Enh, whatever."
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You go, like, "Wow.
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That really made you feel
something
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and made you leave a piece
of yourself with that movie."
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Dante: Once a picture
like "Prom Night" came out
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and made a lot of money,
the genre of the slasher film,
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which had really kind of started
with "Halloween,"
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but nobody
really called it that --
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but once "Prom Night" came out
and was a big hit,
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and the "Terror Trains"
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and all the other following
pictures that were made,
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it became a viable genre
unto itself.
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Our next movie is an exercise
in gruesome stupidity.
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Now, you might ask,
"What is gruesome stupidity?"
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That's when everybody
in the movie is stupid
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and they're also either dead
or covered in blood.
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This next movie
is a horrible example of that.
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Williams: It was like
"Murder on the Orient Express"
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with teenagers.
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And the movie itself,
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it's almost structured
like an anthology.
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Everybody has their own
little individual story line
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until they all kind of start
to collide together
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and you finally get where
the terror train was going.
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No!
No, no!
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That's when I started
recognizing Jamie Lee Curtis.
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I was just like,
"She's in everything."
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Those few years
after "Halloween," she was it.
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You know,
she was thefinal girl.
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Jamie Lee Curtis --
She's a terrific everywoman.
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She was an action figure.
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Aah!
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And what I do remember
is how creepy the killer was.
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There was this ambiguous,
androgynous sense to him
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that, as a young kid
who was being picked on a lot,
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I could see myself in that.
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You didn't necessarily
see yourself in the survivors.
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Man: Shut up.
Woman: Come on.
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I said move off...sir.
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You saw yourself in the people
who were being antagonized.
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The mask on the killer,
just a see-through --
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It was the same type of mask
from "Sweet Alice," actually.
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It was that kind of vibe.
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If you like early '80s
Jamie Lee Curtis --
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and who doesn't? --
it's worth a watch.
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Announcer:
"Alligator."
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The nature-run-amok movies
of the '80s.
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Donna!
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Oh, fuck!
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Probably my favorite subgenre
of horror.
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Taylor: As a kid,
I remember all of my friends
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telling the urban legend
about this.
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Nobody I knew wanted to go
to New York City,
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because to them,
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the sewer system was
just crawling with rogue pets.
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I just love all the humor
in "Alligator."
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I mean, there are
some outrageous moments,
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like the alligator
in the swimming pool
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with the kid
walking the plank...
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the running joke about
Robert Forster's thinning hair.
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You need to see
a hairstylist.
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They let your hair grow down
and whip the cross.
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There are just so many
little moments
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that humanize the characters
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and also provide
a good counterpoint.
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That's another movie that mixes
horror and comedy really well.
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The thing that I remember
the most about this movie
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was how realistic
the gator looked.
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I mean, the goddamn thing's
mouth was enormous!
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And then every time
it would eat somebody,
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it just felt like
you could feelit.
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I mean, just this slamming down.
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And you're like, "Aah!"
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It always made my skin crawl.
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Robert Forster is, like --
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He's up, trying to get out
of the manhole cover,
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and it's stuck, and he's just
giving it as much as he can.
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And then you see the gator
coming up behind him.
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Like, "Oh, okay. So they can
just climb ladders now?
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This is horseshit."
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I can just remember the panic
as a kid,
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going, "Get out of there!
Get out of there!"
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No!
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Gary?
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Mm. Very tense moment
for a 10-year-old.
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Announcer:
The most terrifying experiment
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in the history of science
is out of control.
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Ken Russell just made
the weirdest, greatest movies
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in that time.
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I think he's totally underrated.
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I remember, in "Altered States"
the big gag,
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the really cool thing was with
the sensory-deprivation tank.
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The story line was really,
I thought,
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intellectually challenging.
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And William Hurt will always be
my favorite actor
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from that period of time.
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And then he did drugs
in the sensory-deprivation tank.
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Well, that sounded like
a lot of fun, right?
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That sounded like something
you wanted to do.
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He has these
horrible contortions
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that either is really happening
to him
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or he's imagining happening
to him.
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"Altered States" was one
of the first movies I saw
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that had, like,
that crazy makeup effect
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where the arm bubbles.
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This whole bladder technology,
I think it actually began
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with "Altered States"
in the '80s, Dick Smith's work.
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And it was still, you know,
a groundbreaking technique
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to take skin and have that skin
change and be able to swell
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and do things
that we hadn't seen before.
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Emily:
Defy it, Eddie.
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Eddie transforms into
some kind of a primal being
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that only indulges
his own elemental appetites.
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There are things that happen
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when you're exploring
these altered states
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that are unexplainable
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and could be liberating,
could be terrifying.
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At the end, when he's slamming
around the room,
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changing from, you know,
one state to another,
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is he imagining it?
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Is he actually becoming
this creature?
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It's a mind-blow
in the best kind of way
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but also a cautionary tale,
right?
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Which all great horror films
are cautionary tales.
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I recommend it.
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I'm gonna go make my son
sit through that,
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'cause he's a senior
in high school
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and I want to make sure
that he never does drugs.
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If you, as I did in the '80s,
walked into a movie theater
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and didn't know you're walking
into an Italian horror movie,
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you were kind of caught
wondering
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00:23:03,076 --> 00:23:04,730
what the hell
you just walked into.
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Because it's
just a littledifferent.
413
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I mean, they're truly
foreign films, right?
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It's foreign to our experience.
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Don't act like that. Come out.
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Englund: The Italian culture,
they love horror.
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They respect it much more
than Americans.
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They respect it as a genre,
like the Western...
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Get three coffins ready.
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...or the gangster film
or the film noir or the mystery.
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I think there is a reaction
to the inherent fascism
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that was in or left over
in those cultures at that time.
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Italy was also
sort of coming out
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from under a conservative,
authoritarian regime.
425
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When it comes to Italian
filmmakers during the 1980s,
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I think the three titans
of Italian cinema
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00:23:49,601 --> 00:23:54,562
were Lamberto Bava, Lucio Fulci,
and, of course, Dario Argento.
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Argento's is very operatic.
It's very colorful.
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It's a sensory experience, with
sound and color and set pieces.
430
00:24:08,707 --> 00:24:10,317
"Suspiria" is one
of my favorite movies,
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not only because
of the story line,
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but also because
Dario Argento's color palette
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00:24:16,106 --> 00:24:17,324
is so amazing.
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00:24:17,324 --> 00:24:19,674
And the kills are amazing in it.
435
00:24:25,202 --> 00:24:28,379
"Opera" to me is a classic.
Dario Argento's "Opera."
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00:24:28,379 --> 00:24:31,904
He's a visual stylist, okay?
437
00:24:32,949 --> 00:24:35,473
The shot through the peephole
in the door,
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00:24:35,473 --> 00:24:38,519
when the guy gets the bullet
and it takes out the phone --
439
00:24:38,519 --> 00:24:40,260
That's incredible stuff, okay?
440
00:24:45,962 --> 00:24:48,094
To me, Dario is a volcano
of the mind.
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00:24:52,055 --> 00:24:54,318
Lamberto Bava was the wild card
442
00:24:54,318 --> 00:24:58,104
of the Italian maestros
of horror cinema in the 1980s.
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He was the guy
who was gonna take you
444
00:24:59,801 --> 00:25:01,673
on some really crazy journeys
445
00:25:01,673 --> 00:25:05,459
that you possibly could not have
ever expected you would go on.
446
00:25:05,459 --> 00:25:06,939
He would just take big swings
447
00:25:06,939 --> 00:25:08,985
that would connect
in very unique ways.
448
00:25:16,731 --> 00:25:18,820
And then you have somebody
like Lucio Fulci,
449
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who was sort of the maestro
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00:25:21,693 --> 00:25:25,001
of these really
over-the-top effects --
451
00:25:25,001 --> 00:25:27,568
gooey, gory movies
452
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where you could almost just feel
the residue on your skin.
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Fulci is the weirdest to me,
454
00:25:38,275 --> 00:25:40,625
because he doesn't give a shit
about reality.
455
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He is creating a weird,
surreal hallucination for you.
456
00:25:43,410 --> 00:25:47,153
And Fulci clearly has
some kind of eye fetish
457
00:25:47,153 --> 00:25:49,547
where he needs to do eye trauma
every time.
458
00:25:51,679 --> 00:25:53,377
And it's horrible.
459
00:25:53,377 --> 00:25:57,771
What's more horrifying
than to be stabbed in the eye?
460
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They're into eyeballs.
461
00:26:07,739 --> 00:26:09,784
A lot of eyeballs.
462
00:26:09,784 --> 00:26:11,525
The Italians just went there
immediately.
463
00:26:11,525 --> 00:26:13,005
You know, they just went,
"Boom!"
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Argento did a little bit
of that too,
465
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especially with "Opera,"
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where you have a character
who's completely defenseless
467
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and is forced to watch
these horrific, macabre events.
468
00:26:27,672 --> 00:26:30,501
They have needles taped
right underneath their eyes,
469
00:26:30,501 --> 00:26:33,852
so if they close their eyes,
they will shred their eyelids,
470
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which to me -- I can't think of
a more terrifying scenario
471
00:26:36,724 --> 00:26:38,465
to be put in.
472
00:26:38,465 --> 00:26:41,120
Italian directors were sort of
challenging us as viewers
473
00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:42,686
with the eye trauma,
474
00:26:42,686 --> 00:26:44,949
being like, "Well,
if you're gonna watch this,
475
00:26:44,949 --> 00:26:46,778
you know, this is what you get."
476
00:26:48,693 --> 00:26:52,653
Reflective of our willingness
to sit there and bear witness
477
00:26:52,653 --> 00:26:56,353
to a lot of this really crazy
and over-the-top gore
478
00:26:56,353 --> 00:26:58,659
that they were willing to put
into their movies
479
00:26:58,659 --> 00:27:00,226
for our entertainment.
480
00:27:01,923 --> 00:27:04,404
Geretta: And the eyes
are the window to the soul.
481
00:27:04,404 --> 00:27:06,102
Bingo.
482
00:27:06,102 --> 00:27:09,192
And you know those smart
Italians had thought about that.
483
00:27:13,369 --> 00:27:15,588
Englund:
My heart with the Italians
484
00:27:15,588 --> 00:27:17,765
is in the style,
the stylized horror.
485
00:27:17,765 --> 00:27:21,334
Not that I have anything
against Italian cannibal horror,
486
00:27:21,334 --> 00:27:23,554
because I know how influential
it is
487
00:27:23,554 --> 00:27:25,337
and I know how hard core it is,
488
00:27:25,337 --> 00:27:28,472
and I know what it represents
in the world of horror,
489
00:27:28,472 --> 00:27:29,863
splatter, gore.
490
00:27:29,863 --> 00:27:31,953
I just was so taken
491
00:27:31,953 --> 00:27:36,045
with the sort of stylistics
of the Italians.
492
00:27:41,398 --> 00:27:44,879
I am totally in love
with Italian giallo.
493
00:27:44,879 --> 00:27:48,579
There's a different reality
in Italian giallo films.
494
00:27:50,581 --> 00:27:54,324
The reality doesn't have to be
so airtight.
495
00:27:54,324 --> 00:27:57,501
One of the things
that fans say to me all the time
496
00:27:57,501 --> 00:27:59,416
is they go,
"I love those Italian movies.
497
00:27:59,416 --> 00:28:02,114
They're just crazy.
They don't make any sense."
498
00:28:02,114 --> 00:28:05,074
Mm, sorry.
Yeah, they do.
499
00:28:05,074 --> 00:28:08,468
But it's based on theirculture,
not ours.
500
00:28:08,468 --> 00:28:11,993
They make perfect sense
within their culture.
501
00:28:11,993 --> 00:28:15,693
Wixson: Giallo really takes
your expectations
502
00:28:15,693 --> 00:28:17,564
and then completely
obliterates them
503
00:28:17,564 --> 00:28:19,739
and comes at you
in a totally different way.
504
00:28:19,739 --> 00:28:22,133
There's definitely motifs
that we saw in giallo movies.
505
00:28:22,133 --> 00:28:25,790
You'd have the mystery killer
who was stalking somebody.
506
00:28:25,790 --> 00:28:27,879
Most of the time,
they were wearing gloves.
507
00:28:27,879 --> 00:28:29,750
It was never usually a gun.
508
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:31,970
It was always something
like a switchblade or a knife,
509
00:28:31,970 --> 00:28:34,842
which gave these movies
sort of a sense of intimacy.
510
00:28:34,842 --> 00:28:38,933
Ultimately, like, having sort of
a collection of victims as well.
511
00:28:38,933 --> 00:28:41,632
Like, there is always
a larger picture
512
00:28:41,632 --> 00:28:43,285
in terms of
sort of the body count
513
00:28:43,285 --> 00:28:45,897
that they wanted to amass
in giallo movies.
514
00:28:45,897 --> 00:28:49,857
It's a celebration of horror,
of bodies, of bleeding,
515
00:28:49,857 --> 00:28:51,685
of screaming women.
516
00:28:51,685 --> 00:28:54,123
It's also the appreciation
of the kills --
517
00:28:54,123 --> 00:28:57,082
the special-effects makeup,
the supernatural.
518
00:29:02,479 --> 00:29:04,436
You'll always get a payoff,
519
00:29:04,436 --> 00:29:06,222
even if it takes a while
to get there.
520
00:29:06,222 --> 00:29:08,049
And it's gonna make you go,
"Ugh!"
521
00:29:08,049 --> 00:29:10,400
And it doesn't stop, so you
can't just close your eyes.
522
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,663
No. It just goes
and it goes and it goes.
523
00:29:12,663 --> 00:29:14,534
You know,
it's right down your throat.
524
00:29:14,534 --> 00:29:18,277
"We are going to make you recoil
in terror no matter what."
525
00:29:25,588 --> 00:29:27,243
Fear is universal.
526
00:29:27,243 --> 00:29:29,375
You know, it's another reason
why horror does well
527
00:29:29,375 --> 00:29:30,942
in distribution
around the world.
528
00:29:30,942 --> 00:29:32,725
You don't have to know
the languages.
529
00:29:32,725 --> 00:29:34,119
Everyone can recognize running.
530
00:29:34,119 --> 00:29:35,860
Everyone can recognize fear.
531
00:29:35,860 --> 00:29:37,861
When you went to see
these movies,
532
00:29:37,861 --> 00:29:40,734
you didn't go because you knew
anything about them.
533
00:29:40,734 --> 00:29:43,694
You went because of the poster,
the newspaper ad, the title.
534
00:29:43,694 --> 00:29:48,612
You went because of the
titillation of the ad campaign.
535
00:29:48,612 --> 00:29:51,136
All of the Italian horror films,
for example,
536
00:29:51,136 --> 00:29:54,443
came out during this period, but
nobody knew they were Italian.
537
00:29:54,443 --> 00:29:57,969
All the Italian names were
changed to Anglicized names,
538
00:29:57,969 --> 00:29:59,579
and they were dubbed, of course.
539
00:29:59,579 --> 00:30:01,145
I'll kill you,
you son of a --
540
00:30:01,145 --> 00:30:03,843
Are you trying to say
that those girls were killed
541
00:30:03,843 --> 00:30:07,065
by someone you wouldn't define
as a school friend?
542
00:30:07,065 --> 00:30:09,067
Dubbing in Italian horror,
I think,
543
00:30:09,067 --> 00:30:10,589
takes a while to get used to.
544
00:30:10,589 --> 00:30:12,462
Because if you're not
expecting it,
545
00:30:12,462 --> 00:30:13,854
it can be very off-putting.
546
00:30:13,854 --> 00:30:16,292
Best, best bad overdubs,
for sure.
547
00:30:16,292 --> 00:30:18,250
The worstoverdubs.
548
00:30:18,250 --> 00:30:21,384
Worse than then, you know,
old kung fu movies.
549
00:30:21,384 --> 00:30:23,429
Listen to me, young lady.
We're in this situation --
550
00:30:23,429 --> 00:30:26,476
Youlisten, you gang
of bloodthirsty bastard!
551
00:30:26,476 --> 00:30:28,434
"Hey, what's going on here?
552
00:30:28,434 --> 00:30:29,956
What's in that closet?"
553
00:30:29,956 --> 00:30:31,655
"Don't open it."
554
00:30:31,655 --> 00:30:33,700
"Why not?
Oh, it's a zombie. Shoot it."
555
00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:35,049
"Aah!"
556
00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:40,185
That's the inherent charm of it.
557
00:30:40,185 --> 00:30:42,970
Like, that's the rough edges
that I love about it.
558
00:30:42,970 --> 00:30:45,059
Because it doesn't feel
super polished.
559
00:30:45,059 --> 00:30:47,845
When we laugh at dubbing and
we go, "The lips don't match,"
560
00:30:47,845 --> 00:30:50,673
and for the rest of the world,
that doesn't matter.
561
00:30:50,673 --> 00:30:52,241
Smoking is not allowed
in here.
562
00:30:52,241 --> 00:30:53,894
Excuse us.Geretta: I've dubbed.
563
00:30:53,894 --> 00:30:56,549
I've dubbed myself.
I've dubbed other people.
564
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:59,422
It isan art form, and it takes
a while to get good at it.
565
00:30:59,422 --> 00:31:03,513
Huh. What I think
doesn't matter anymore.
566
00:31:04,514 --> 00:31:05,993
Bitch.
567
00:31:05,993 --> 00:31:07,952
I think Italian
horror filmmakers are fans
568
00:31:07,952 --> 00:31:09,822
of American horror
and American dollars.
569
00:31:09,822 --> 00:31:12,913
That heightened Italian flavor
gets into America,
570
00:31:12,913 --> 00:31:14,827
gets into theaters,
gets into video stores.
571
00:31:14,827 --> 00:31:18,049
That lurid box art starts
to show up on the shelves.
572
00:31:18,049 --> 00:31:21,182
The Italians were churning out
splatter movies --
573
00:31:21,182 --> 00:31:23,359
must have been like 20 a week
or something.
574
00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:25,361
So every week,
there was something new.
575
00:31:25,361 --> 00:31:27,841
They all have a very special
place in my heart.
576
00:31:27,841 --> 00:31:29,887
They're not all necessarily
great films.
577
00:31:31,932 --> 00:31:33,978
They were just doing
what they wanted to do
578
00:31:33,978 --> 00:31:35,848
and telling
these really crazy stories.
579
00:31:35,848 --> 00:31:38,286
Honestly, when you would pick up
a movie at the video store,
580
00:31:38,286 --> 00:31:40,592
you never knew what experience
you were in for.
581
00:31:40,592 --> 00:31:43,291
And that was the fun of it.
582
00:31:43,291 --> 00:31:44,988
Nobile:
I think what's interesting
583
00:31:44,988 --> 00:31:46,904
about Italian exploitation
in general
584
00:31:46,904 --> 00:31:48,558
is that it all starts
as a rip-off.
585
00:31:48,558 --> 00:31:51,561
You'll get one hit,
and then you'll get 30 copies.
586
00:31:51,561 --> 00:31:53,650
Going back to, like,
a Hercules movie in the '50s.
587
00:31:53,650 --> 00:31:55,216
They've got a hit
Hercules movie,
588
00:31:55,216 --> 00:31:57,043
and then there's all these
sword-and-sandal movies.
589
00:31:57,043 --> 00:31:58,524
You've got "Fistful of Dollars"
590
00:31:58,524 --> 00:32:00,396
and then the whole
spaghetti-Western genre.
591
00:32:00,396 --> 00:32:02,572
And the horror genre
is no different.
592
00:32:02,572 --> 00:32:05,836
They picked up on
what was happening in America
593
00:32:05,836 --> 00:32:08,491
and copied it
and then perverted it --
594
00:32:08,491 --> 00:32:10,188
I say that as a compliment --
595
00:32:10,188 --> 00:32:13,930
and made it gaudy and loud
and funky...
596
00:32:15,975 --> 00:32:17,587
...and naked.
597
00:32:17,587 --> 00:32:20,850
There's so much American DNA
in Italian horror,
598
00:32:20,850 --> 00:32:24,289
but it's all just cranked up
to this insane level.
599
00:32:24,289 --> 00:32:26,987
So a lot of times
what you may have seen
600
00:32:26,987 --> 00:32:28,424
is people doing the best
they can
601
00:32:28,424 --> 00:32:30,163
with the financial choices
they were given,
602
00:32:30,163 --> 00:32:32,209
people still wanting to make
their movie.
603
00:32:32,209 --> 00:32:35,474
And like anything else,
artistry is on a scale.
604
00:32:35,474 --> 00:32:37,170
So thanks to the Italians
605
00:32:37,170 --> 00:32:39,434
and thanks to "Suspiria"
and everything that came after,
606
00:32:39,434 --> 00:32:41,871
suddenly '80s horror
is very colorful --
607
00:32:41,871 --> 00:32:43,830
in a way that '70s horror
was not.
608
00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:46,571
And I think you can tie that
directly to the Italians.
609
00:33:01,238 --> 00:33:03,327
Announcer:
"The Funhouse" --
610
00:33:03,327 --> 00:33:05,851
coming soon
from Universal Pictures.
611
00:33:05,851 --> 00:33:08,158
"The Funhouse" is a movie
that kind of gets lost
612
00:33:08,158 --> 00:33:09,726
in Tobe Hooper's filmography
613
00:33:09,726 --> 00:33:12,467
because it's between
"Texas Chain Saw Massacre"
614
00:33:12,467 --> 00:33:15,078
and then those crazy movies
he made for Cannon Films
615
00:33:15,078 --> 00:33:16,689
in the mid-'80s,
616
00:33:16,689 --> 00:33:18,735
which is a shame,
because it's actually, like,
617
00:33:18,735 --> 00:33:20,606
a solid little
haunted-house slasher movie.
618
00:33:24,131 --> 00:33:25,959
Moseley:
Well, it was funny,
619
00:33:25,959 --> 00:33:28,135
because I was actually dating
Elizabeth Berridge
620
00:33:28,135 --> 00:33:30,964
for a while there,
so it was great to see her work.
621
00:33:30,964 --> 00:33:32,618
Joey!
622
00:33:34,489 --> 00:33:36,316
I think that's one
of my favorite Tobe movies.
623
00:33:36,316 --> 00:33:38,971
I certainly loved the monster.
I thought that was fantastic.
624
00:33:38,971 --> 00:33:40,060
I loved that whole movie.
625
00:33:40,060 --> 00:33:41,714
The monster in "The Funhouse,"
626
00:33:41,714 --> 00:33:44,413
a guy named Gunther,
wears this Frankenstein mask
627
00:33:44,413 --> 00:33:48,111
because his actual face
is also really horrendous.
628
00:33:48,111 --> 00:33:50,766
And the effects on his face
are really memorable.
629
00:33:50,766 --> 00:33:53,159
You got, like,
red eyes and fangs
630
00:33:53,159 --> 00:33:55,031
and this stringy white hair.
631
00:33:59,644 --> 00:34:02,038
You tell me who got it!
Come on!
632
00:34:02,038 --> 00:34:04,475
Just this kind of harelip,
fanged mouth
633
00:34:04,475 --> 00:34:06,173
with drool coming out of it.
634
00:34:09,219 --> 00:34:12,222
This sort of bastard son
of the carnival guy.
635
00:34:12,222 --> 00:34:15,531
Just the way he's treated
and the way he's deformed and --
636
00:34:15,531 --> 00:34:17,009
You almost feel for him,
637
00:34:17,009 --> 00:34:18,924
but yet he's going around
killing people.
638
00:34:23,016 --> 00:34:24,888
This has got to be
the only movie
639
00:34:24,888 --> 00:34:27,325
where the inciting incident
is a guy in a Frankenstein mask
640
00:34:27,325 --> 00:34:30,067
getting some happy service
by a psychic.
641
00:34:30,067 --> 00:34:32,243
Nothing to be ashamed of.
642
00:34:32,243 --> 00:34:33,635
It happens
to the best of us.
643
00:34:35,985 --> 00:34:37,856
What's interesting
about this movie
644
00:34:37,856 --> 00:34:40,468
is that it's a lot more graphic
than "Texas Chain Saw Massacre,"
645
00:34:40,468 --> 00:34:42,818
where all the gore is implied
and you don't really see it.
646
00:34:45,952 --> 00:34:48,172
You get to see
all the backstage parts
647
00:34:48,172 --> 00:34:51,218
of the funhouse in a carnival --
all the whirring mechanics
648
00:34:51,218 --> 00:34:53,090
and the trap doors
and the track.
649
00:34:55,396 --> 00:34:57,354
It's great to see that space
explored.
650
00:34:59,443 --> 00:35:01,445
Jericho:
"Funhouse," to me, is a movie
651
00:35:01,445 --> 00:35:04,317
that was completely made
by Fangoria
652
00:35:04,317 --> 00:35:07,800
and talking about the influence
of the magazines at that time.
653
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,889
I remember when I saw that
on the cover,
654
00:35:09,889 --> 00:35:12,848
I was like, "That's disgusting."
655
00:35:12,848 --> 00:35:15,503
It's one of those things where
when you're in a funhouse
656
00:35:15,503 --> 00:35:18,288
ever since then,
I always wonder,
657
00:35:18,288 --> 00:35:20,464
"What if this guy
is an actual killer?"
658
00:35:23,206 --> 00:35:25,382
All right.
Here we go!
659
00:35:30,387 --> 00:35:32,868
Announcer: Prepare
for "The Final Conflict,"
660
00:35:32,868 --> 00:35:35,741
the concluding chapter
of the "Omen" trilogy.
661
00:35:37,612 --> 00:35:40,790
"Omen III" was 1981.
662
00:35:41,790 --> 00:35:44,401
That picked up Damien
as an adult.
663
00:35:44,401 --> 00:35:49,014
He's a thirtyish politician
played by Sam Neill.
664
00:35:49,014 --> 00:35:51,713
I think that was the first time
I had ever seen Sam Neill,
665
00:35:51,713 --> 00:35:54,804
probably same for
American audiences in general.
666
00:35:54,804 --> 00:35:56,762
Take him.
667
00:36:01,244 --> 00:36:04,943
As the movie begins,
he has the post that his father,
668
00:36:04,943 --> 00:36:08,600
Gregory Peck, had
a mere five years before him
669
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,908
in the, you know, twisted
chronology of the "Omen" series,
670
00:36:12,908 --> 00:36:14,866
where they would, you know,
fast-forward
671
00:36:14,866 --> 00:36:16,390
with soap-opera speed.
672
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:18,523
"Omen II," Damien was 13.
673
00:36:18,523 --> 00:36:21,221
Suddenly, he's 30 years old.
674
00:36:21,221 --> 00:36:23,875
Anyway, he is the ambassador
to Great Britain
675
00:36:23,875 --> 00:36:26,791
at the beginning of the story,
as is the wont
676
00:36:26,791 --> 00:36:30,013
of all of the devil worshippers
who surround Damien.
677
00:36:30,013 --> 00:36:32,406
And they're grooming him
for his, you know,
678
00:36:32,406 --> 00:36:34,103
ultimate world power.
679
00:36:34,103 --> 00:36:35,757
Do you hear me?
680
00:36:35,757 --> 00:36:38,324
Group:
We hear and obey.
681
00:36:38,324 --> 00:36:40,849
We hear and obey.
682
00:36:40,849 --> 00:36:43,940
One of the weird things
about that movie
683
00:36:43,940 --> 00:36:45,984
is that it really
is all structured around
684
00:36:45,984 --> 00:36:48,684
a series of murders of babies.
685
00:36:48,684 --> 00:36:51,469
Because in the story,
686
00:36:51,469 --> 00:36:54,167
the rebirth of Christ
has also happened.
687
00:36:54,167 --> 00:36:57,692
And now Damien feels threatened
by this,
688
00:36:57,692 --> 00:37:01,565
so he dispatches all
of his devil-worshipping minions
689
00:37:01,565 --> 00:37:03,915
to kill all the babies.
690
00:37:03,915 --> 00:37:06,223
Slay the Nazarene,
691
00:37:06,223 --> 00:37:12,141
and you will know the violent
raptures of my father's kingdom.
692
00:37:12,141 --> 00:37:14,012
Which is kind of hilarious,
693
00:37:14,012 --> 00:37:16,362
because it's just, like,
something you could not do
694
00:37:16,362 --> 00:37:17,451
in movies anymore.
695
00:37:17,451 --> 00:37:19,453
Liquidate the Nazarene.
696
00:37:19,453 --> 00:37:21,498
There's a woman who --
697
00:37:21,498 --> 00:37:25,024
She just, like, somehow
has this weird hallucination
698
00:37:25,024 --> 00:37:27,547
of her baby as a monster.
699
00:37:27,547 --> 00:37:32,075
And so she takes a hot iron
to the baby and goes "Chh!"
700
00:37:32,075 --> 00:37:35,207
It's -- It's really
kind of unspeakable.
701
00:37:47,698 --> 00:37:49,526
Scrivens:
"Friday the 13th Part II" --
702
00:37:49,526 --> 00:37:52,485
I'd seen the end of that movie
so many times
703
00:37:52,485 --> 00:37:54,487
because it was tacked on
to the beginning
704
00:37:54,487 --> 00:37:57,883
of "Friday the 13th Part III,"
which I rented a lot as a kid.
705
00:37:57,883 --> 00:37:59,579
There's something
really charming
706
00:37:59,579 --> 00:38:01,146
about the characters
in that film.
707
00:38:01,146 --> 00:38:02,974
Jeff, the women
are showing you up.
708
00:38:02,974 --> 00:38:04,977
What's the matter with ya?
709
00:38:06,238 --> 00:38:07,501
Hey.
710
00:38:07,501 --> 00:38:10,068
The second one, to me,
711
00:38:10,068 --> 00:38:13,943
is the only true definition
of a sequel.
712
00:38:13,943 --> 00:38:17,902
Bigger story, bigger budget,
bigger scares.
713
00:38:19,730 --> 00:38:21,820
Massive twist
because now you're going,
714
00:38:21,820 --> 00:38:24,300
"This is the first appearance
of Jason as the killer."
715
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:28,784
It was the first one
that Steve Miner directed.
716
00:38:28,784 --> 00:38:34,440
The way he paced it was that you
didn't know who was gonna die.
717
00:38:36,921 --> 00:38:38,749
Manfredini:
Jason, he's the shark.
718
00:38:38,749 --> 00:38:41,491
You're gonna do something
and Jason's gonna knock you off.
719
00:38:41,491 --> 00:38:43,493
You know.
720
00:38:45,974 --> 00:38:48,498
I loved Amy Steel
as the lead heroine.
721
00:38:48,498 --> 00:38:50,761
You're such a suck-up,
Mark.
722
00:38:51,937 --> 00:38:54,461
She is just awesome and badass.
723
00:38:54,461 --> 00:38:56,681
I love the way Jason and her
interact with each other
724
00:38:56,681 --> 00:38:57,681
at the end.
725
00:38:57,681 --> 00:38:59,249
The chase at the end, to me,
726
00:38:59,249 --> 00:39:01,730
is one of my favorite
final moments --
727
00:39:01,730 --> 00:39:04,427
the rat going under the bed
and peeing underneath it.
728
00:39:04,427 --> 00:39:08,083
There's moments in there
that are almost a little quirky
729
00:39:08,083 --> 00:39:10,695
that I don't feel happened
in other films like that.
730
00:39:15,046 --> 00:39:16,831
She psychs out Jason.
731
00:39:16,831 --> 00:39:18,833
I love that scene,
732
00:39:18,833 --> 00:39:21,444
where they're in
what we call the Chez Jason,
733
00:39:21,444 --> 00:39:24,099
with the head there
and all the candles and stuff,
734
00:39:24,099 --> 00:39:25,970
and she puts on the sweater,
735
00:39:25,970 --> 00:39:28,494
and Jason's, like,
got the sack thing
736
00:39:28,494 --> 00:39:29,583
and freaking out and stuff.
737
00:39:37,156 --> 00:39:40,463
I wish they had never abandoned
the burlap sack.
738
00:39:40,463 --> 00:39:42,291
And that's what a lot of people
don't realize,
739
00:39:42,291 --> 00:39:46,296
is that he doesn't get the
hockey mask until number three.
740
00:39:48,210 --> 00:39:52,867
But it's just overall, to me,
so much scarier
741
00:39:52,867 --> 00:39:54,564
than any of the other ones.
742
00:39:54,564 --> 00:39:57,045
I think that's probably why
it's my favorite.
743
00:40:09,709 --> 00:40:12,016
Announcer:
"Graduation Day."
744
00:40:12,016 --> 00:40:13,888
"Graduation Day" is a movie
745
00:40:13,888 --> 00:40:16,368
that has a killer
who is killing people
746
00:40:16,368 --> 00:40:20,024
specifically who were on
the high school track team.
747
00:40:20,024 --> 00:40:21,853
It stars Linnea Quigley,
748
00:40:21,853 --> 00:40:23,332
but originally, it didn't have
Linnea Quigley.
749
00:40:23,332 --> 00:40:25,116
They had another actress
in the place
750
00:40:25,116 --> 00:40:27,292
who they filmed some scenes
with her,
751
00:40:27,292 --> 00:40:29,295
but then she wouldn't do
the nudity
752
00:40:29,295 --> 00:40:31,035
that was required with the role.
753
00:40:31,035 --> 00:40:34,865
So they fired her
and brought in Linnea Quigley
754
00:40:34,865 --> 00:40:36,346
to play the same part.
755
00:40:36,346 --> 00:40:39,087
Now there's a blonde,
but she's different
756
00:40:39,087 --> 00:40:41,829
but she's playing
the same character.
757
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:45,136
Your ass is mine.
758
00:40:45,136 --> 00:40:47,138
Ooh! Tough guy!Oh, no!
759
00:40:47,138 --> 00:40:49,053
Quigley:
It was just, like, a fun film.
760
00:40:49,053 --> 00:40:51,447
It was light, and it's got
all these great kills in it.
761
00:40:58,193 --> 00:40:59,760
Like, my boyfriend,
762
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,067
Billy Hufsey,
who teaches acting classes now
763
00:41:02,067 --> 00:41:04,199
and I don't think wants
to talk about it
764
00:41:04,199 --> 00:41:07,550
was like, going to -- Of course,
"I'll be right back,"
765
00:41:07,550 --> 00:41:10,640
and goes and pees in the woods
and gets his head chopped off.
766
00:41:15,036 --> 00:41:18,300
I remember doing the running,
767
00:41:18,300 --> 00:41:20,606
and I made a mistake --
which I'll never do again --
768
00:41:20,606 --> 00:41:23,654
and I ate lunch -- a lot.
769
00:41:23,654 --> 00:41:26,438
I remember having to throw up
because I was running so much.
770
00:41:26,438 --> 00:41:28,485
I was just like...
771
00:41:28,485 --> 00:41:30,356
I'm like, "Oh, my God.
My stomach."
772
00:41:30,356 --> 00:41:34,794
So that was a fun fact too --
that I threw up after running.
773
00:41:34,794 --> 00:41:36,405
When they were doing
the effects,
774
00:41:36,405 --> 00:41:38,450
they had cast the head
of the original girl.
775
00:41:38,450 --> 00:41:42,325
So you see Linnea Quigley
through most of the film,
776
00:41:42,325 --> 00:41:44,849
and then in the end,
when she gets killed,
777
00:41:44,849 --> 00:41:47,459
they're using the head
of the girl
778
00:41:47,459 --> 00:41:50,114
from the beginning
of the movie...
779
00:41:50,114 --> 00:41:52,943
It's not my head,
but it's supposed to be.
780
00:41:52,943 --> 00:41:55,163
...which has confused
a few people.
781
00:41:55,163 --> 00:41:57,034
Vanna White also appears
in the movie,
782
00:41:57,034 --> 00:41:58,819
but she doesn't turn letters.
783
00:41:58,819 --> 00:42:02,300
Fuck.
It's blood.
784
00:42:05,260 --> 00:42:09,481
It's another example of
how popular horror films were.
785
00:42:09,481 --> 00:42:12,964
You had this movie that cost
around $250,000.
786
00:42:12,964 --> 00:42:17,882
They put it out there.
It made almost $24 million.
787
00:42:30,894 --> 00:42:33,157
Those old trailers
from the '80s,
788
00:42:33,157 --> 00:42:35,203
they just had a certain magic
to them,
789
00:42:35,203 --> 00:42:36,596
where you'd have the voice
790
00:42:36,596 --> 00:42:38,684
of something as silly
as "The Boogens,"
791
00:42:38,684 --> 00:42:40,860
but they deliver it in...
"The Boogens."
792
00:42:40,860 --> 00:42:43,167
And that sets off something
in your head
793
00:42:43,167 --> 00:42:48,129
where you need to see this movie
to see what arethe boogens.
794
00:42:50,131 --> 00:42:53,003
Announcer:
There is no escape.
795
00:42:53,003 --> 00:42:54,570
"The Boogens."
796
00:42:54,570 --> 00:42:57,442
And the people involved
with the production,
797
00:42:57,442 --> 00:43:01,272
they didn't know what the
boogens was going to look like.
798
00:43:01,272 --> 00:43:04,145
They hired a special-effects guy
and they said, "Okay.
799
00:43:04,145 --> 00:43:06,886
Here's the ideas that we have."
800
00:43:06,886 --> 00:43:09,324
And he came back with this idea
of a little monster
801
00:43:09,324 --> 00:43:10,890
with, like, crab claws.
802
00:43:10,890 --> 00:43:12,805
And they were like,
"Well, that's really cool,
803
00:43:12,805 --> 00:43:14,634
but that's not
what a boogens looks like."
804
00:43:14,634 --> 00:43:16,767
And they were like, "Well,
what does a boogens look like?"
805
00:43:16,767 --> 00:43:18,507
They're like, "We don't know."
806
00:43:18,507 --> 00:43:22,598
And he went and eventually
designed this monster.
807
00:43:22,598 --> 00:43:24,166
It was like a turtle.
808
00:43:24,166 --> 00:43:25,993
But the turtle shell
809
00:43:25,993 --> 00:43:28,561
was supposed to look like
the brain of a sheep
810
00:43:28,561 --> 00:43:31,868
that he saw
in a medical catalog.
811
00:43:31,868 --> 00:43:35,089
It had tentacles, and its head
could come out and retract,
812
00:43:35,089 --> 00:43:36,829
and it had teeth,
813
00:43:36,829 --> 00:43:39,963
and it was just the most
ridiculous hodgepodge of ideas
814
00:43:39,963 --> 00:43:41,573
that could all come together
815
00:43:41,573 --> 00:43:44,881
and somehow be thrown
into a horror film.
816
00:43:44,881 --> 00:43:46,970
Strangest damn thing I ever saw.
817
00:43:57,937 --> 00:44:00,027
Announcer:
"Dead & Buried."
818
00:44:00,027 --> 00:44:03,856
It will take your breath away.
819
00:44:03,856 --> 00:44:05,945
Englund:
That's my second horror film.
820
00:44:05,945 --> 00:44:08,774
There's some great sequences
and great images in it.
821
00:44:08,774 --> 00:44:11,081
We were all up
in this great little town
822
00:44:11,081 --> 00:44:12,952
in Northern California
called Mendocino.
823
00:44:12,952 --> 00:44:15,694
And you don't have to dress it.
It's just there.
824
00:44:15,694 --> 00:44:18,697
It looks like Stephen King's
gonna walk out of every door.
825
00:44:18,697 --> 00:44:21,396
It looks exactly like what you
think Maine should look like.
826
00:44:21,396 --> 00:44:25,182
And it's James Farentino,
the late, great Jack Albertson,
827
00:44:25,182 --> 00:44:26,531
and Lisa Blount.
828
00:44:26,531 --> 00:44:29,056
Wonderful, extraordinary
actress.
829
00:44:29,056 --> 00:44:32,015
Most people know her
from "Officer and a Gentleman."
830
00:44:32,015 --> 00:44:34,626
It's actually an effective
little movie.
831
00:44:36,889 --> 00:44:38,543
That's it! No!
No! Don't do that!
832
00:44:38,543 --> 00:44:39,850
What are you doing,
Nurse --
833
00:44:42,417 --> 00:44:45,942
It turns out that the mortician
has been behind
834
00:44:45,942 --> 00:44:50,251
killing the townspeople
and reanimating them,
835
00:44:50,251 --> 00:44:53,689
basically creating an army
of undead puppets.
836
00:44:53,689 --> 00:44:56,431
Stan Winston did the makeup
on that film.
837
00:44:56,431 --> 00:44:57,954
And there was a lot of us.
838
00:44:57,954 --> 00:45:00,435
He had to make a lot of people
the undead.
839
00:45:00,435 --> 00:45:04,613
Stan -- not yet the legend
he would become, but a player.
840
00:45:04,613 --> 00:45:09,835
Stan was beginning to push
more into puppetry
841
00:45:09,835 --> 00:45:12,360
with some of the effects
he created for that film.
842
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,057
There are two
that stand out to me
843
00:45:14,057 --> 00:45:16,233
as being the most
"Oh, that's cool."
844
00:45:16,233 --> 00:45:19,410
One is the burn victim.
845
00:45:19,410 --> 00:45:22,152
He created
this shoulders-up puppet
846
00:45:22,152 --> 00:45:24,721
of this terribly burned
character,
847
00:45:24,721 --> 00:45:27,201
where you're seeing the muscles
and the ligaments.
848
00:45:27,201 --> 00:45:31,248
It was a hand puppet,
and it was highly effective.
849
00:45:31,248 --> 00:45:34,251
And I remember seeing that
come together in his shop
850
00:45:34,251 --> 00:45:36,819
and thinking that was the
grossest thing he'd ever made.
851
00:45:39,909 --> 00:45:41,606
Another sequence
that really works
852
00:45:41,606 --> 00:45:44,392
is when the evil mortician
is reconstructing
853
00:45:44,392 --> 00:45:46,524
this hitchhiker,
played by Lisa Marie.
854
00:45:46,524 --> 00:45:49,614
And she starts out
horribly injured and disfigured.
855
00:45:49,614 --> 00:45:51,877
It's a dummy,
a re-creation of the actress.
856
00:45:51,877 --> 00:45:55,707
I will make you beautiful
again...
857
00:45:55,707 --> 00:45:58,493
even more beautiful
than before.
858
00:45:58,493 --> 00:46:00,712
Using a series of wipes
and dissolves,
859
00:46:00,712 --> 00:46:04,238
you slowly see her being
reconstructed by the mortician
860
00:46:04,238 --> 00:46:07,502
until she's finally back,
intact and pretty, and sits up.
861
00:46:07,502 --> 00:46:09,112
And there she is.
862
00:46:09,112 --> 00:46:13,029
And she's actually undead,
but she looks pretty hot.
863
00:46:13,029 --> 00:46:16,902
I also remember being freaked
out by the burn-victim character
864
00:46:16,902 --> 00:46:19,036
who's completely covered
in gauze --
865
00:46:19,036 --> 00:46:21,124
all you see is one eye
and his mouth --
866
00:46:21,124 --> 00:46:24,301
and this nurse just plunges
a needle right in his eyeball.
867
00:46:24,301 --> 00:46:26,695
And that was just -- aah! --
a cringe moment.
868
00:46:29,088 --> 00:46:33,310
For me, Lisa was the first
sort of nurse angel of death.
869
00:46:33,310 --> 00:46:38,446
Embodies that cold, hard,
blond sexuality
870
00:46:38,446 --> 00:46:41,927
that Hitchcock
was so intrigued by.
871
00:46:41,927 --> 00:46:43,494
"We're dead,
but we're not buried!"
872
00:46:43,494 --> 00:46:44,713
Smile.
873
00:46:44,713 --> 00:46:46,889
Woman:
Oh! No!
874
00:46:57,073 --> 00:46:59,510
Announcer: "Nightmare."
875
00:46:59,510 --> 00:47:01,600
"Nightmare" is a movie told
876
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,775
from the point of view
of a serial killer
877
00:47:03,775 --> 00:47:06,213
who goes up and down the
East Coast of the United States.
878
00:47:06,213 --> 00:47:08,171
And when I say told
from his point of view,
879
00:47:08,171 --> 00:47:09,999
I mean told
with a point-of-view camera --
880
00:47:09,999 --> 00:47:13,872
"You are the killer!" --
as he wreaks mayhem
881
00:47:13,872 --> 00:47:16,701
all up and down the East Coast
of the United States.
882
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:20,749
People hated the film.
883
00:47:20,749 --> 00:47:26,015
People pelted the screen
in Times Square with objects.
884
00:47:26,015 --> 00:47:27,277
People walked out.
885
00:47:27,277 --> 00:47:28,887
People demanded
their money back.
886
00:47:31,194 --> 00:47:35,285
The eternal principles
of a good cinematic story
887
00:47:35,285 --> 00:47:37,505
still must be observed,
888
00:47:37,505 --> 00:47:43,162
and there must be a sympathetic
protagonist in your story.
889
00:47:43,162 --> 00:47:46,078
Otherwise, the audience
will turn against you.
890
00:47:46,078 --> 00:47:49,734
There's a myth,
and we should destroy this myth,
891
00:47:49,734 --> 00:47:53,782
because censors use it
to censor movies.
892
00:47:53,782 --> 00:47:56,872
And the myth is that all we want
to see is blood and gore.
893
00:47:56,872 --> 00:47:58,613
That's not true.
894
00:47:58,613 --> 00:48:00,441
If you look at the movies
made in the '80s
895
00:48:00,441 --> 00:48:03,095
made by clueless idiots
who thought
896
00:48:03,095 --> 00:48:06,969
that that wasthe secret
to making a great horror movie,
897
00:48:06,969 --> 00:48:09,058
you end up with films
like "Nightmare."
898
00:48:09,058 --> 00:48:11,321
Man: No!
899
00:48:11,321 --> 00:48:14,498
Oh, my God!
900
00:48:21,853 --> 00:48:25,422
Announcer: Be sure to see it
before sunrise.
901
00:48:25,422 --> 00:48:27,729
"Saturday the 14th"!
902
00:48:27,729 --> 00:48:31,733
Every time I think of
"Saturday the 14th,"
903
00:48:31,733 --> 00:48:38,000
I think of sitting at my mom's
old apartment and watching HBO.
904
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:42,439
There was, like, this handful
of fairly risqué movies
905
00:48:42,439 --> 00:48:44,354
with weird content,
906
00:48:44,354 --> 00:48:46,878
but they would just show them
during the day
907
00:48:46,878 --> 00:48:50,273
for any 8- to 10-year-old
to kind of catch up on.
908
00:48:50,273 --> 00:48:54,233
You've got Jeffrey Tambor
as Dracula-ish --
909
00:48:54,233 --> 00:48:56,148
a Dracula-type person.
910
00:48:56,148 --> 00:49:01,371
Well, if you don't trust me
after 311 years of marriage...
911
00:49:01,371 --> 00:49:03,591
Three hundred
and twelve.
912
00:49:03,591 --> 00:49:05,288
You've got Richard Benjamin
running around,
913
00:49:05,288 --> 00:49:07,290
basically tormenting his family.
914
00:49:07,290 --> 00:49:11,250
Take this coffee.
I can't stand the sight of it.
915
00:49:11,250 --> 00:49:14,906
But just remember how goofy
that movie was.
916
00:49:17,431 --> 00:49:20,912
And then the guy who played
the Van Helsing-type character
917
00:49:20,912 --> 00:49:23,132
was sosketch,
918
00:49:23,132 --> 00:49:26,788
and he scared me
more than the monsters did.
919
00:49:26,788 --> 00:49:28,920
If someone should open
that book,
920
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,184
his soul would be doomed to
eternal hellfire and damnation!
921
00:49:32,184 --> 00:49:33,795
Damned.
922
00:49:33,795 --> 00:49:36,841
So many weird things were okay
back then, man.
923
00:49:36,841 --> 00:49:39,061
The bathtub moment, to me,
924
00:49:39,061 --> 00:49:41,759
reminds me of the Freddy moment,
when the glove comes up.
925
00:49:41,759 --> 00:49:46,590
But this, being before that,
was like the "Jaws" take.
926
00:49:46,590 --> 00:49:48,244
So who influenced who?
927
00:49:54,118 --> 00:49:56,383
But then you see the
teenage daughter running around
928
00:49:56,383 --> 00:49:59,211
being chased by, you know,
the fish man, you know?
929
00:50:00,125 --> 00:50:01,910
What the -- Jesus Christ.
930
00:50:01,910 --> 00:50:04,173
Hastag MeToo Fish, you know?
931
00:50:04,173 --> 00:50:07,306
I mean, this is a kids' movie.
What the hell's going on?
932
00:50:07,306 --> 00:50:08,786
You're watching it as a kid.
933
00:50:08,786 --> 00:50:11,180
You don't realize
the dark undertone of it.
934
00:50:14,183 --> 00:50:17,794
Will I show that to my kids?
No, I will not be showing it.
935
00:50:17,794 --> 00:50:19,928
Do you see a monster
in this room?
936
00:50:19,928 --> 00:50:21,712
I can't believe
that I'm standing here
937
00:50:21,712 --> 00:50:24,193
in the middle of the night
arguing with a 10-year-old kid
938
00:50:24,193 --> 00:50:25,934
about the existence of monsters.
939
00:50:32,026 --> 00:50:36,161
As an actor, I get to bring
a little joy into someone's life
940
00:50:36,161 --> 00:50:39,687
every time I get --
no matter what the genre is --
941
00:50:39,687 --> 00:50:41,732
every time I have an opportunity
to work.
942
00:50:41,732 --> 00:50:45,606
It's a great charge, you know,
to do the best I can
943
00:50:45,606 --> 00:50:49,087
because, you know,
somebody's going to enjoy this.
944
00:50:49,087 --> 00:50:51,350
They're killing everybody.I got to find her.
945
00:50:51,350 --> 00:50:52,961
Wait a minute, man.
Are you crazy?
946
00:50:52,961 --> 00:50:54,919
I got to see
if she's all right.Just stand back!
947
00:50:54,919 --> 00:50:56,617
There's nothing you can do
out there!
948
00:50:56,617 --> 00:50:58,575
I didn't think I was going to be
an actress.
949
00:50:58,575 --> 00:51:00,489
Actually, I wanted to be
an archaeologist.
950
00:51:00,489 --> 00:51:03,145
I always thought that would be
an interesting thing to be.
951
00:51:03,145 --> 00:51:04,929
So I went to Carnegie Mellon,
952
00:51:04,929 --> 00:51:07,062
which is a really good theater
school here in Pittsburgh.
953
00:51:07,062 --> 00:51:09,020
There's different techniques
that we were trained,
954
00:51:09,020 --> 00:51:11,980
but one of them
was the whole Method movement
955
00:51:11,980 --> 00:51:15,331
of bringing, you know,
your experiences to the moment.
956
00:51:15,331 --> 00:51:17,027
And I remember using it
957
00:51:17,027 --> 00:51:21,337
especially after Sarah
cuts off Miguel's arm.
958
00:51:21,337 --> 00:51:25,950
She has a moment
where she just...has had it.
959
00:51:25,950 --> 00:51:28,257
She actually breaks down,
960
00:51:28,257 --> 00:51:30,346
which, to me, was like the arc
of the character.
961
00:51:30,346 --> 00:51:32,740
She's actually very strong
in that moment
962
00:51:32,740 --> 00:51:35,264
because she was able to be
very real in that moment.
963
00:51:40,835 --> 00:51:45,316
Working that with myself and
my thoughts and my technique.
964
00:51:45,316 --> 00:51:48,320
Acting is the art of not acting,
right?
965
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,104
Acting is being.
966
00:51:51,062 --> 00:51:53,151
Acting class 101, right?
967
00:51:53,151 --> 00:51:56,241
Before I made any movies,
I was a stage actor.
968
00:51:56,241 --> 00:51:59,854
I was King Arthur.
I was Ben Franklin.
969
00:51:59,854 --> 00:52:01,246
When I did effects on a film,
970
00:52:01,246 --> 00:52:03,161
I always tried to play
a part of it --
971
00:52:03,161 --> 00:52:04,728
you know, some little part.
972
00:52:04,728 --> 00:52:06,512
And that just led to more
and more parts
973
00:52:06,512 --> 00:52:08,905
and then, suddenly,
with George Romero, justparts.
974
00:52:08,905 --> 00:52:11,429
Don't forget.
Some of us are wearing tinfoil.
975
00:52:12,519 --> 00:52:14,216
That's yourproblem.
976
00:52:14,216 --> 00:52:15,999
I really wanted to be,
you know, an actor.
977
00:52:15,999 --> 00:52:18,306
Makeup effects was kind of
what got me in the door.
978
00:52:20,135 --> 00:52:22,572
You get in the door
so you can prove yourself,
979
00:52:22,572 --> 00:52:24,835
let people know who you are,
you know?
980
00:52:24,835 --> 00:52:27,707
And who knows
where that could lead?
981
00:52:32,930 --> 00:52:34,844
I used to want to be a minister.
982
00:52:34,844 --> 00:52:36,760
Well, the acting is my ministry.
983
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,284
You know, that's how I get to...
984
00:52:40,634 --> 00:52:44,462
...you know, how my soul
gets to speak to your soul
985
00:52:44,462 --> 00:52:46,769
about our commonality,
986
00:52:46,769 --> 00:52:51,600
above the oneness that we share
as human beings.
987
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:53,647
You rarely thought about it
in the '80s.
988
00:52:53,647 --> 00:52:55,823
There was no, really,
Asian representation.
989
00:52:55,823 --> 00:52:57,564
We were all
kind of stereotypical,
990
00:52:57,564 --> 00:53:00,827
and it was a difficult time.
991
00:53:00,827 --> 00:53:02,656
It also made me feel like, "Hmm.
992
00:53:02,656 --> 00:53:04,875
Maybe I should do
something else."
993
00:53:04,875 --> 00:53:07,051
I kept at it
only because of the theater.
994
00:53:07,051 --> 00:53:10,794
Something like Kelly Hu
in "Jason Takes Manhattan."
995
00:53:10,794 --> 00:53:13,667
That was pretty extraordinary,
where she didn't have an accent.
996
00:53:13,667 --> 00:53:15,886
Look.
I think I'll pass, okay?
997
00:53:15,886 --> 00:53:17,932
What?
I'll see you later.
998
00:53:17,932 --> 00:53:21,283
My first moviemovie
was "Sixteen Candles."
999
00:53:23,067 --> 00:53:25,853
What's happenin',
hot stuff?
1000
00:53:25,853 --> 00:53:27,768
The controversy was good,
1001
00:53:27,768 --> 00:53:31,684
because I also think that it
startedto change things
1002
00:53:31,684 --> 00:53:33,382
and make people aware.
1003
00:53:33,382 --> 00:53:35,863
If anything,
it made the Asian community
1004
00:53:35,863 --> 00:53:38,647
come out
and try to express themselves
1005
00:53:38,647 --> 00:53:41,041
about why they disagreed
with this character.
1006
00:53:41,041 --> 00:53:43,565
And what they failed to do,
I thought,
1007
00:53:43,565 --> 00:53:45,350
was we weren't coalesced
together
1008
00:53:45,350 --> 00:53:48,352
to try to figure out what to do
about it, unlike today.
1009
00:53:48,352 --> 00:53:49,833
It's much better today.
1010
00:53:49,833 --> 00:53:52,662
I've never been so happy
in my whole life
1011
00:53:52,662 --> 00:53:54,490
You maniac.
1012
00:53:54,490 --> 00:53:58,407
There was no ethnicity mentioned
in "Vamp."
1013
00:53:58,407 --> 00:54:00,016
So I thought
that was kind of cool.
1014
00:54:00,016 --> 00:54:02,063
I thought that was a good step.
1015
00:54:02,063 --> 00:54:05,152
What time do you get off?Two-thirty.
1016
00:54:05,152 --> 00:54:07,634
Can I watch?
1017
00:54:07,634 --> 00:54:11,767
The better your actors are,
the better shape you're in.
1018
00:54:11,767 --> 00:54:16,598
Hire people that bring
a certain kind of credibility
1019
00:54:16,598 --> 00:54:19,122
and naturalness
to the performance.
1020
00:54:19,122 --> 00:54:22,387
And then at least
you're a step ahead.
1021
00:54:22,387 --> 00:54:24,084
Give me a script,
1022
00:54:24,084 --> 00:54:26,696
let me break this character
down, make some choices,
1023
00:54:26,696 --> 00:54:29,612
and hopefully I buoy
what you're doing here.
1024
00:54:29,612 --> 00:54:33,006
Hopefully, I kind of put
some wind and some sails here.
1025
00:54:33,006 --> 00:54:34,095
He's dead?
1026
00:54:36,401 --> 00:54:37,924
Not anymore.
1027
00:54:37,924 --> 00:54:39,622
It's what I'm in control of.
1028
00:54:39,622 --> 00:54:42,537
If somebody offered me a job,
and I liked the script
1029
00:54:42,537 --> 00:54:44,844
and the story and the character,
I'm in.
1030
00:54:44,844 --> 00:54:46,368
I'm all in.
1031
00:54:46,368 --> 00:54:50,023
And that's how I started doing
horror movies.
1032
00:54:50,023 --> 00:54:53,070
John invited me to be
in "The Fog," and we were off.
1033
00:54:53,070 --> 00:54:57,379
I don't believe in luck,
good or bad.
1034
00:54:57,379 --> 00:54:59,206
Allen:
I hated acting class.
1035
00:54:59,206 --> 00:55:01,687
It just was torture for me.
1036
00:55:01,687 --> 00:55:05,300
But, you know,
you have to get some tools.
1037
00:55:05,300 --> 00:55:07,171
A director told me once,
1038
00:55:07,171 --> 00:55:10,957
"The best thing an actor can do
is give me choices."
1039
00:55:10,957 --> 00:55:13,568
Trusting my instincts
when I read something
1040
00:55:13,568 --> 00:55:16,572
and trusting my instincts
about a character
1041
00:55:16,572 --> 00:55:19,053
generally ends up being
the right way to go.
1042
00:55:19,053 --> 00:55:20,575
I've studied
a lot of different styles.
1043
00:55:20,575 --> 00:55:21,969
I've worked
with different coaches.
1044
00:55:21,969 --> 00:55:24,406
So I've used some stuff
from the Method.
1045
00:55:24,406 --> 00:55:26,930
I've used the old James Cagney
1046
00:55:26,930 --> 00:55:30,150
"Plant your feet in the ground
and tell the truth" method.
1047
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:34,198
The funny thing about it is that
if something is written well,
1048
00:55:34,198 --> 00:55:36,026
you don't have to do
a lot of work with it.
1049
00:55:36,026 --> 00:55:37,593
That's what I always
want to know --
1050
00:55:37,593 --> 00:55:39,812
"Let me see the script.
Let's see how it is."
1051
00:55:39,812 --> 00:55:42,162
And if you have trouble
getting lines out, it's like,
1052
00:55:42,162 --> 00:55:43,816
it's not written well.
1053
00:55:43,816 --> 00:55:46,862
That's the problem.
And I used to think it was me.
1054
00:55:46,862 --> 00:55:48,299
Come on, you little bastard!
1055
00:55:48,299 --> 00:55:50,084
Maroney:
What we had back then
1056
00:55:50,084 --> 00:55:51,781
was people who were learning
their craft.
1057
00:55:51,781 --> 00:55:54,610
But now we have people that are,
yes, learning their craft,
1058
00:55:54,610 --> 00:55:56,438
but also passionate
about the genre
1059
00:55:56,438 --> 00:55:58,788
and purposefully going into it.
1060
00:55:58,788 --> 00:56:01,225
I mean, you'll talk to people
in the '80s,
1061
00:56:01,225 --> 00:56:04,098
and they'll say, "You know,
that's just what I got."
1062
00:56:04,098 --> 00:56:06,709
But now these people
are coming up
1063
00:56:06,709 --> 00:56:09,538
very focused on doing horror
because they love horror
1064
00:56:09,538 --> 00:56:12,714
and that's what they intend
to do.
1065
00:56:12,714 --> 00:56:17,938
You have to be as honest as you
can be with your character
1066
00:56:17,938 --> 00:56:21,767
and your story and your --
the truth of what you're saying.
1067
00:56:21,767 --> 00:56:25,510
It's up to them to make it scary
for the audience.
1068
00:56:25,510 --> 00:56:30,646
And my job is just to tell
the truth.
1069
00:56:30,646 --> 00:56:32,256
The shit is getting old
real fast.
1070
00:56:32,256 --> 00:56:34,519
You know, I was awakened
out of a real pleasant dream
1071
00:56:34,519 --> 00:56:35,868
to come down here.
1072
00:56:35,868 --> 00:56:37,348
Are you gonna straighten it out,
Raimi,
1073
00:56:37,348 --> 00:56:39,046
or am I gonna play poo patrol
with your nightstick?
1074
00:56:39,046 --> 00:56:41,657
I received a thoroughgoing
1075
00:56:41,657 --> 00:56:45,008
acting-for-the-camera education
from Dennis Hopper.
1076
00:56:45,008 --> 00:56:46,836
Thatwas an experience
not to be missed.
1077
00:56:46,836 --> 00:56:49,404
And as time goes on,
I cherish it more,
1078
00:56:49,404 --> 00:56:52,102
I appreciate it more,
and I apply it more.
1079
00:56:52,102 --> 00:56:54,322
Dennis encouraged me
to look through the lens.
1080
00:56:54,322 --> 00:56:56,150
"This is what it looks like.
1081
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:58,021
This is where your light is.
1082
00:56:58,021 --> 00:57:00,153
This is the side
that's best for you.
1083
00:57:00,153 --> 00:57:02,285
When you deliver that line,
do this.
1084
00:57:02,285 --> 00:57:05,724
Make that gesture.
It's a visual medium."
1085
00:57:05,724 --> 00:57:07,465
You said you were gonna do this
alone.
1086
00:57:07,465 --> 00:57:10,860
I need your help, missy.
1087
00:57:10,860 --> 00:57:12,557
That was a takeaway
1088
00:57:12,557 --> 00:57:15,822
that continues to provide
extraordinary benefits for me.
1089
00:57:15,822 --> 00:57:19,826
When I hear "cut," I'm Doug.
1090
00:57:19,826 --> 00:57:23,350
I'm Doug in a skirt and a very
constricting leather jacket
1091
00:57:23,350 --> 00:57:25,309
with my face covered in leather
and pins,
1092
00:57:25,309 --> 00:57:26,745
but I'm Doug.
1093
00:57:26,745 --> 00:57:30,313
I don't carry the character
through the day,
1094
00:57:30,313 --> 00:57:32,620
and I don't take him home
with me.
1095
00:57:32,620 --> 00:57:36,016
Before I ever started thinking
about doing crazy stuff,
1096
00:57:36,016 --> 00:57:39,323
I was very interested
in mapmaking.
1097
00:57:39,323 --> 00:57:44,588
I've been playing
the bad characters for so long
1098
00:57:44,588 --> 00:57:49,376
but always knew that I had
other things I could do.
1099
00:57:49,376 --> 00:57:52,380
So Charlie's Farm, huh?
Somebody's feelin' brave.
1100
00:57:52,380 --> 00:57:56,949
It's important as an actor
to show versatility, right?
1101
00:57:58,081 --> 00:58:00,388
I'm cuttin' over to Pinewood
to pick up Barnes.
1102
00:58:00,388 --> 00:58:04,609
Not only have I done
some emotional stuff...
1103
00:58:09,658 --> 00:58:12,965
...but also recently,
in the past couple years,
1104
00:58:12,965 --> 00:58:14,881
done some comedy.
1105
00:58:14,881 --> 00:58:17,665
I never thought somebody
would be interested
1106
00:58:17,665 --> 00:58:19,841
in me trying to be funny.
1107
00:58:25,194 --> 00:58:28,111
As an actor, you have
your facial expressions
1108
00:58:28,111 --> 00:58:32,942
and your voice
to add to your performance.
1109
00:58:32,942 --> 00:58:34,508
It's, like, wayeasier.
1110
00:58:34,508 --> 00:58:36,989
When you have to look scary
and intimidating
1111
00:58:36,989 --> 00:58:40,080
without either one
of those two things,
1112
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,778
with a hockey mask on --
way harder.
1113
00:58:42,778 --> 00:58:45,302
And that's why everybody
overacts.
1114
00:58:45,302 --> 00:58:48,348
People, they think,
"Oh, I can do that.
1115
00:58:48,348 --> 00:58:51,656
You don't even have to show
your face or say anything."
1116
00:58:51,656 --> 00:58:53,483
You know what?
You can'tdo it.
1117
00:58:53,483 --> 00:58:54,964
You thinkyou can,
1118
00:58:54,964 --> 00:58:58,184
but you try too hard,
and then it looks phony.
1119
00:58:58,184 --> 00:59:00,708
I've worked pretty consistently
in the '80s.
1120
00:59:00,708 --> 00:59:04,973
I did a lot of soap-opera work
and a lot of horror movies.
1121
00:59:04,973 --> 00:59:09,325
And at the time that I did
"Castle Freak,"
1122
00:59:09,325 --> 00:59:12,633
which was in 1995,
I felt like for the first time
1123
00:59:12,633 --> 00:59:15,289
I really understood
what I was doing.
1124
00:59:15,289 --> 00:59:17,464
I got it.
I know how to act on film.
1125
00:59:17,464 --> 00:59:18,769
I know what I'm doing.
1126
00:59:18,769 --> 00:59:21,598
So I was about 35.
1127
00:59:21,598 --> 00:59:25,560
And then, all of a sudden,
people stopped calling me.
1128
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,431
I wasn't working.
1129
00:59:27,431 --> 00:59:31,478
And at that time, I feel like
I had aged out a little bit.
1130
00:59:31,478 --> 00:59:34,612
I just wasn't getting any calls.
1131
00:59:34,612 --> 00:59:36,396
And I was mad.
1132
00:59:36,396 --> 00:59:39,835
At the time, I thought,
"Well, I'll go back to school.
1133
00:59:39,835 --> 00:59:43,055
I'll get a degree in gardening."
I loved gardening.
1134
00:59:43,055 --> 00:59:45,231
And then I met my husband, Bob.
1135
00:59:45,231 --> 00:59:47,711
And he said, "Well,
1136
00:59:47,711 --> 00:59:50,149
I have to move up
to San Francisco for my job.
1137
00:59:50,149 --> 00:59:51,716
Do you want to come with me?"
1138
00:59:51,716 --> 00:59:55,197
And I thought, "Yeah.
F Hollywood.
1139
00:59:55,197 --> 00:59:57,373
I'm just gonna go
and do something else!"
1140
00:59:57,373 --> 01:00:00,421
And then I became a mom,
and I was busy with that.
1141
01:00:00,421 --> 01:00:03,076
I took a break
because I aged out a little bit,
1142
01:00:03,076 --> 01:00:05,992
but now, thank God,
I'm playing these older women
1143
01:00:05,992 --> 01:00:12,476
and moms and mentors
and evil people and caretakers.
1144
01:00:12,476 --> 01:00:15,175
I'm glad that the producers
from "You're Next"
1145
01:00:15,175 --> 01:00:17,003
took a chance on me and said,
"Yeah.
1146
01:00:17,003 --> 01:00:18,829
We want to see Barbara Crampton
again.
1147
01:00:18,829 --> 01:00:20,657
We want to see her,"
1148
01:00:20,657 --> 01:00:25,488
because I'm having a lot of fun
working again.
1149
01:00:37,848 --> 01:00:40,025
Announcer: "The Beast Within."
1150
01:00:40,025 --> 01:00:42,767
Even you may not survive.
1151
01:00:42,767 --> 01:00:45,335
You have been warned.
1152
01:00:45,335 --> 01:00:46,901
"The Beast Within"
is another one
1153
01:00:46,901 --> 01:00:48,555
of these low-budget '80s movies
1154
01:00:48,555 --> 01:00:51,688
that is super rapey
at the crux of it.
1155
01:00:51,688 --> 01:00:53,516
You've got character actors
in there
1156
01:00:53,516 --> 01:00:55,519
who have been
in Oscar-nominated films.
1157
01:00:55,519 --> 01:00:58,434
You've got Ronny Cox in there.
You've got Bibi Besch in there.
1158
01:00:58,434 --> 01:01:00,393
It's a pretty trashy movie
1159
01:01:00,393 --> 01:01:02,222
for the caliber of actors
that are in it.
1160
01:01:02,222 --> 01:01:04,180
R.G. Armstrong -- no slouch.
1161
01:01:04,180 --> 01:01:05,659
Really qualified
character actor.
1162
01:01:05,659 --> 01:01:07,704
Lord save us.
1163
01:01:07,704 --> 01:01:09,098
He's been embalmed...
1164
01:01:09,098 --> 01:01:11,012
...alive.
1165
01:01:11,012 --> 01:01:12,709
Bladder effects
are front and center
1166
01:01:12,709 --> 01:01:14,711
in the '80s horror movies
in the transformation scenes.
1167
01:01:14,711 --> 01:01:16,236
You see them in "The Howling,"
1168
01:01:16,236 --> 01:01:17,932
and you see it in
"American Werewolf in London."
1169
01:01:17,932 --> 01:01:20,021
Anytime something's changing,
that's a bladder effect.
1170
01:01:20,021 --> 01:01:21,762
And "Beast Within"
is like a script
1171
01:01:21,762 --> 01:01:23,243
written around a bladder effect.
1172
01:01:23,243 --> 01:01:25,854
Holland: "Beast Within."
1173
01:01:25,854 --> 01:01:28,725
Philippe Mora,
whom I dearly love, directed it.
1174
01:01:28,725 --> 01:01:30,902
All they had at the time
were bladder effects,
1175
01:01:30,902 --> 01:01:32,600
so all you could do
was blow up --
1176
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,733
you know, under the latex,
the skin.
1177
01:01:35,733 --> 01:01:38,518
"The Beast Within"
is a very comical version of it.
1178
01:01:38,518 --> 01:01:40,911
Tom Burman did the effects,
and I love Tom.
1179
01:01:40,911 --> 01:01:44,612
He's got an excuse
for that transformation scene.
1180
01:01:44,612 --> 01:01:48,484
"The Beast Within" is the nadir
of bladder effects
1181
01:01:48,484 --> 01:01:52,836
in which the lead monster's head
explodes to a point
1182
01:01:52,836 --> 01:01:54,882
where he looks like
Charlie Brown.
1183
01:01:54,882 --> 01:01:56,711
Johnson: And it just goes
and goes and goes
1184
01:01:56,711 --> 01:01:59,279
and goes and goes and goes and
goes, and it's so silly-looking.
1185
01:01:59,279 --> 01:02:02,672
Tom says, in his own defense,
1186
01:02:02,672 --> 01:02:04,892
they had already gotten the
scenes for the transformation
1187
01:02:04,892 --> 01:02:06,763
that he felt were good
and then they said,
1188
01:02:06,763 --> 01:02:08,679
"Let's just have fun
and let's just pop it.
1189
01:02:08,679 --> 01:02:10,507
Let's just film it
until it won't go anymore."
1190
01:02:10,507 --> 01:02:12,988
And the director used that.
1191
01:02:12,988 --> 01:02:15,556
A friend of mine who said,
"Testing something's limits
1192
01:02:15,556 --> 01:02:17,296
usually results
in finding them."
1193
01:02:17,296 --> 01:02:19,385
Bladder effects can be awesome,
1194
01:02:19,385 --> 01:02:20,951
and sometimes they can be
"The Beast Within."
1195
01:02:20,951 --> 01:02:22,345
Oh, my God.
1196
01:02:36,707 --> 01:02:38,970
Announcer:
"Evilspeak."
1197
01:02:38,970 --> 01:02:41,103
"Evilspeak" is a movie
that's starring
1198
01:02:41,103 --> 01:02:45,324
the outstanding Clint Howard,
Ron Howard's brother.
1199
01:02:45,324 --> 01:02:49,371
And he is a guy who's bullied
at school
1200
01:02:49,371 --> 01:02:51,374
and figures out the perfect way
to get revenge.
1201
01:02:51,374 --> 01:02:54,942
He uses his computer
to summon the devil.
1202
01:02:54,942 --> 01:02:57,336
I conjure and command thee,
prince of darkness!
1203
01:02:59,294 --> 01:03:01,818
This is one of those magical
movies from the early '80s
1204
01:03:01,818 --> 01:03:04,386
where they were
trying to capitalize
1205
01:03:04,386 --> 01:03:07,521
on the explosion of computers.
1206
01:03:07,521 --> 01:03:09,914
"Well, what can we do
to put computers into movies?"
1207
01:03:09,914 --> 01:03:11,524
And especially
into horror movies.
1208
01:03:11,524 --> 01:03:13,743
"I got it.
1209
01:03:13,743 --> 01:03:15,832
Let's have a kid who can summon
the devil with the computer."
1210
01:03:15,832 --> 01:03:17,183
Satan!
1211
01:03:20,010 --> 01:03:22,230
Even though there are kids
being killed,
1212
01:03:27,583 --> 01:03:30,673
...you side with the killer
1213
01:03:30,673 --> 01:03:33,110
because he's a guy
who has been bullied
1214
01:03:33,110 --> 01:03:35,243
and he's really just out
getting revenge
1215
01:03:35,243 --> 01:03:38,029
for all the stuff
that people have done to him.
1216
01:03:43,469 --> 01:03:46,385
Makes you wish we allhad
a Commodore 64 for revenge,
1217
01:03:46,385 --> 01:03:47,430
doesn't it?
1218
01:03:58,310 --> 01:04:00,921
Announcer:
"The Slumber Party Massacre."
1219
01:04:00,921 --> 01:04:05,926
Close your eyes for a second
and sleep...forever.
1220
01:04:05,926 --> 01:04:09,191
The story revolves around
a slumber party
1221
01:04:09,191 --> 01:04:11,019
and a driller killer...
1222
01:04:15,283 --> 01:04:18,461
...coming to kill
said slumber party,
1223
01:04:18,461 --> 01:04:22,203
hence the "massacre"
in the title.
1224
01:04:23,510 --> 01:04:25,555
The thing that people forget
about this movie
1225
01:04:25,555 --> 01:04:27,295
is how funny it is.
1226
01:04:28,514 --> 01:04:29,951
]
1227
01:04:33,562 --> 01:04:38,959
It was originally written
as a spoof lampooning the genre,
1228
01:04:38,959 --> 01:04:42,050
but I don't think the people
who bought the script
1229
01:04:42,050 --> 01:04:45,139
really had any sense of irony,
'cause they mainlined it
1230
01:04:45,139 --> 01:04:49,752
and basically made it
this fairly ingenious movie.
1231
01:04:49,752 --> 01:04:51,712
No!
1232
01:04:51,712 --> 01:04:54,714
I love the dynamic
between the girls.
1233
01:04:54,714 --> 01:04:55,889
Oh.
1234
01:04:56,933 --> 01:04:58,588
Even in the beginning,
1235
01:04:58,588 --> 01:05:00,938
when, like, they don't realize
anything's going on,
1236
01:05:00,938 --> 01:05:03,026
but people around them
are just dying.
1237
01:05:06,465 --> 01:05:11,992
He's just kind of this weird,
standard, J-11 killer,
1238
01:05:11,992 --> 01:05:13,559
you know, just running around
1239
01:05:13,559 --> 01:05:15,865
with this incredibly
impressive drill.
1240
01:05:15,865 --> 01:05:20,305
Chock full of
really benign monotony...
1241
01:05:20,305 --> 01:05:22,698
What do you say
we order a pizza?Girl: No anchovies.
1242
01:05:22,698 --> 01:05:28,182
...punctuated by savage,
masculine kills.
1243
01:05:31,795 --> 01:05:35,450
It's really a dissertation
on the fact
1244
01:05:35,450 --> 01:05:41,457
that any male serial killer
is just basically using his...
1245
01:05:41,457 --> 01:05:42,501
you know.
1246
01:05:44,938 --> 01:05:46,114
How pretty.
1247
01:05:46,114 --> 01:05:47,897
The symbolism in the movie
1248
01:05:47,897 --> 01:05:51,161
when they basically chop
that off and go after him --
1249
01:05:51,161 --> 01:05:55,384
I mean, it makes "Death Ride"
look like a cakewalk.
1250
01:05:55,384 --> 01:05:57,560
It's pretty funny.
1251
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:11,138
Announcer: "Alone in the Dark,"
from New Line Cinema.
1252
01:06:11,138 --> 01:06:12,792
Nobile:
I love "Alone in the Dark."
1253
01:06:12,792 --> 01:06:15,011
It's a weird little
"What if" movie.
1254
01:06:15,011 --> 01:06:16,492
If we didn't fall into
1255
01:06:16,492 --> 01:06:19,016
the slasher-summer-camp thing
in the '80s,
1256
01:06:19,016 --> 01:06:21,323
and something like "Alone in
the Dark" had a chance to shine,
1257
01:06:21,323 --> 01:06:23,760
where you're using A-list actors
1258
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:26,023
in, like, a weird
home-invasion plot...
1259
01:06:30,157 --> 01:06:33,813
Jack Palance is amazing in it.
Martin Landau is amazing in it.
1260
01:06:33,813 --> 01:06:35,249
Here's Donald Pleasence.
1261
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:38,905
"Alone in the Dark"'s poster
1262
01:06:38,905 --> 01:06:40,907
makes you think you're going
to see another slasher movie
1263
01:06:40,907 --> 01:06:43,300
and not a bananas
home-invasion movie
1264
01:06:43,300 --> 01:06:45,477
by a group
of escaped mental patients
1265
01:06:45,477 --> 01:06:49,002
that are all middle-
to late-aged white men
1266
01:06:49,002 --> 01:06:51,439
played by some of the best
actors of their generation.
1267
01:06:52,745 --> 01:06:54,224
What are you,
some kind of asshole?
1268
01:06:58,141 --> 01:07:00,143
That opening has no reason
to be in the film.
1269
01:07:00,143 --> 01:07:01,494
It's just a crazy,
1270
01:07:01,494 --> 01:07:03,103
grab-you-by-the-lapels
dream sequence
1271
01:07:03,103 --> 01:07:05,279
that goes berserk
right out of the gate.
1272
01:07:08,238 --> 01:07:10,589
I think it's interesting
that "Alone in the Dark"
1273
01:07:10,589 --> 01:07:12,939
is made by New Line and it's got
a very "Elm Street" opening
1274
01:07:12,939 --> 01:07:14,549
two years before "Elm Street"
happened.
1275
01:07:14,549 --> 01:07:16,029
And then Jack Sholder,
1276
01:07:16,029 --> 01:07:18,597
who directed it,
ended up doing "Elm Street 2."
1277
01:07:18,597 --> 01:07:20,643
I really wish that there was
more of that flavor
1278
01:07:20,643 --> 01:07:22,557
in the '80s horror.
1279
01:07:22,557 --> 01:07:24,298
"Alone in the Dark"
is a weird little movie
1280
01:07:24,298 --> 01:07:25,734
that's kind of its own thing.
1281
01:07:25,734 --> 01:07:30,347
"'Vengeance is mine,'
sayeth the Lord."
1282
01:07:40,053 --> 01:07:41,533
Announcer:
"Nightbeast."
1283
01:07:41,533 --> 01:07:44,623
Terror from beyond.
1284
01:07:45,711 --> 01:07:48,758
"Nightbeast."
Oh, boy.
1285
01:07:48,758 --> 01:07:50,759
"Nightbeast" is a gem
right here.
1286
01:07:50,759 --> 01:07:52,761
I mean, it's a low-budget film,
1287
01:07:52,761 --> 01:07:55,198
but it did an incredible job
on the effects.
1288
01:08:01,509 --> 01:08:03,816
This alien is here
for the body count.
1289
01:08:03,816 --> 01:08:07,472
I mean, it just kills people
in all kinds of gory ways.
1290
01:08:12,389 --> 01:08:16,263
The alien has this very funny
facial expression.
1291
01:08:16,263 --> 01:08:18,004
I don't know what it is,
1292
01:08:18,004 --> 01:08:21,486
but there's something very funny
about that alien's face.
1293
01:08:21,486 --> 01:08:24,446
You don't really understand
what the alien's motive is.
1294
01:08:24,446 --> 01:08:27,448
It kind of seems like a child
that just got a new toy.
1295
01:08:27,448 --> 01:08:29,146
Like,
"Oh, what's this button do?
1296
01:08:29,146 --> 01:08:30,799
Oh, wow!"
1297
01:08:30,799 --> 01:08:33,149
And he's just killing people
for fun the whole movie.
1298
01:08:38,111 --> 01:08:40,156
Guess who did the music.
1299
01:08:40,156 --> 01:08:41,244
J.J. Abrams.
1300
01:08:42,419 --> 01:08:45,554
J.J. Abrams, who was credited
as Jeffrey Abrams,
1301
01:08:45,554 --> 01:08:48,382
did the music in "Nightbeast."
1302
01:08:48,382 --> 01:08:50,819
If you want a body count,
I mean, this movie has it.
1303
01:08:58,131 --> 01:09:00,829
They got to bring back
the nightbeast in some way.
1304
01:09:08,576 --> 01:09:12,841
I do enjoy horror,
but only if it's really good.
1305
01:09:12,841 --> 01:09:17,063
I've tended to like
darker films, even as a child --
1306
01:09:17,063 --> 01:09:19,108
film noir, you know,
for instance.
1307
01:09:19,108 --> 01:09:20,675
I like that genre.
1308
01:09:20,675 --> 01:09:24,505
It just is my favorite form
of escape.
1309
01:09:24,505 --> 01:09:26,115
It's like, just take me away.
1310
01:09:26,115 --> 01:09:28,292
I'm a willing participant,
you know?
1311
01:09:28,292 --> 01:09:32,862
I really want you
to change my world right now.
1312
01:09:32,862 --> 01:09:34,428
Today, I think of '80s movies
1313
01:09:34,428 --> 01:09:37,126
and I think of really big hair,
to start with.
1314
01:09:37,126 --> 01:09:38,824
That's pretty scary now.
1315
01:09:38,824 --> 01:09:40,087
I love movies.
1316
01:09:40,087 --> 01:09:42,350
I would always look
at who directed it,
1317
01:09:42,350 --> 01:09:44,700
who wrote it, who's in it,
what's it about.
1318
01:09:44,700 --> 01:09:46,135
All of the above, really.
1319
01:09:46,135 --> 01:09:48,442
You know, I started out
to be a dancer.
1320
01:09:48,442 --> 01:09:50,052
That was my first love.
1321
01:09:50,052 --> 01:09:53,403
And film really found me,
oddly enough.
1322
01:09:53,403 --> 01:09:55,710
It wasn't like
I was in search of.
1323
01:09:55,710 --> 01:09:57,756
Even the first time
I walked on the sound stage,
1324
01:09:57,756 --> 01:10:00,019
I felt like, "Oh.
It's like home."
1325
01:10:00,019 --> 01:10:02,587
You know, it felt like
I was in the right place.
1326
01:10:02,587 --> 01:10:05,894
Before I did film in New York,
I did a number of commercials.
1327
01:10:05,894 --> 01:10:07,026
Pants!
1328
01:10:07,026 --> 01:10:09,594
Wow!
A car with pants!
1329
01:10:09,594 --> 01:10:11,378
And I was very shy,
1330
01:10:11,378 --> 01:10:16,209
so it was at that point
that I got into acting classes.
1331
01:10:16,209 --> 01:10:18,777
And then when I started
making movies in the '70s,
1332
01:10:18,777 --> 01:10:23,825
and I found myself in a crowd
of people like Brian De Palma,
1333
01:10:23,825 --> 01:10:26,306
Steven Spielberg,
Marty Scorsese,
1334
01:10:26,306 --> 01:10:28,961
Francis Ford Coppola,
George Lucas, and Bob Zemeckis,
1335
01:10:28,961 --> 01:10:30,702
who I met as well,
1336
01:10:30,702 --> 01:10:33,095
you're sitting there, and you're
hearing this conversation.
1337
01:10:33,095 --> 01:10:35,184
They're deconstructing
these films
1338
01:10:35,184 --> 01:10:36,621
and talking about filmmakers.
1339
01:10:36,621 --> 01:10:38,492
And now all of a sudden,
I'm looking at it
1340
01:10:38,492 --> 01:10:40,755
from a different perspective.
1341
01:10:40,755 --> 01:10:42,409
I really like good directors.
1342
01:10:42,409 --> 01:10:44,498
They know what they're gonna
do, they have a plan,
1343
01:10:44,498 --> 01:10:47,370
and they will collaborate.
1344
01:10:47,370 --> 01:10:51,897
You know, they're interested
in your perspective as well.
1345
01:10:51,897 --> 01:10:53,507
Honestly, I spend
much more time
1346
01:10:53,507 --> 01:10:57,119
on enriching the character's
inner life and life
1347
01:10:57,119 --> 01:10:59,600
and making it
as real as possible.
1348
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:01,558
I really throw caution
to the wind
1349
01:11:01,558 --> 01:11:04,431
and leave it to the director
to get the tone
1350
01:11:04,431 --> 01:11:08,174
and the balance correct
between all the performers,
1351
01:11:08,174 --> 01:11:11,743
and, you know, delivering a film
that makes sense tonally.
1352
01:11:11,743 --> 01:11:13,832
But I've worked
with great directors.
1353
01:11:13,832 --> 01:11:17,357
Now you have a problem,
which I've experienced,
1354
01:11:17,357 --> 01:11:21,491
where you work with a director
who you can't really trust.
1355
01:11:21,491 --> 01:11:24,930
And that's very difficult.
1356
01:11:24,930 --> 01:11:29,717
Unfortunately, with women,
a lot of the roles that I played
1357
01:11:29,717 --> 01:11:31,458
and a lot of the films
that I was in,
1358
01:11:31,458 --> 01:11:34,417
there wasn't a lot of background
about who this character is,
1359
01:11:34,417 --> 01:11:36,463
so I had to fill
in those blanks.
1360
01:11:36,463 --> 01:11:39,901
Starting with "Carrie," I just
literally I wrote a biography.
1361
01:11:39,901 --> 01:11:41,337
What do they eat in the morning?
What do they dress?
1362
01:11:41,337 --> 01:11:42,730
What do they like to do?
1363
01:11:42,730 --> 01:11:44,123
It just informs me.
1364
01:11:44,123 --> 01:11:45,951
It makes it fuller and richer
for me,
1365
01:11:45,951 --> 01:11:48,431
because there's often not
a lot on the page.
1366
01:11:50,738 --> 01:11:53,132
You'll get canned
for this, you bitch!
1367
01:11:53,132 --> 01:11:55,003
One more word from you
and I'm gonna knock you down,
1368
01:11:55,003 --> 01:11:56,526
do you understand me?!
1369
01:11:56,526 --> 01:11:58,703
I did not see Chris Hargenson
as a bitch.
1370
01:11:58,703 --> 01:12:00,879
Let's start with that.
1371
01:12:00,879 --> 01:12:05,535
I thought that Chris Hargenson
was a pretty cool girl.
1372
01:12:05,535 --> 01:12:09,975
And this gal Carrie, that
I wouldn't even hang out with,
1373
01:12:09,975 --> 01:12:11,977
has just screwed
things up for me.
1374
01:12:11,977 --> 01:12:13,500
So there.
1375
01:12:13,500 --> 01:12:15,981
Look at her.
1376
01:12:15,981 --> 01:12:18,548
You eat shit.
1377
01:12:18,548 --> 01:12:20,246
You have to find why you
like a character
1378
01:12:20,246 --> 01:12:21,987
and teenagers
are so black and white.
1379
01:12:21,987 --> 01:12:24,076
That's what's interesting
about having people
1380
01:12:24,076 --> 01:12:25,860
in their 20s play that role.
1381
01:12:25,860 --> 01:12:27,819
You have a little distance
on it, a little perspective.
1382
01:12:27,819 --> 01:12:30,038
What I had to wrap myself around
1383
01:12:30,038 --> 01:12:32,562
was the, you know,
what's driving her?
1384
01:12:32,562 --> 01:12:34,651
Why is she doing this?
Why is she so hurt?
1385
01:12:34,651 --> 01:12:36,566
What's going on at home?
1386
01:12:36,566 --> 01:12:40,570
And, you know, why does she feel
so entitled to behave this way?
1387
01:12:40,570 --> 01:12:43,443
And I would have to say that
the crew really helped me
1388
01:12:43,443 --> 01:12:46,011
because whenever John
and I, Travolta,
1389
01:12:46,011 --> 01:12:47,926
were on the set,
everybody laughed,
1390
01:12:47,926 --> 01:12:49,666
so I just thought
we were really funny.
1391
01:12:49,666 --> 01:12:51,233
I thought we were comic relief.
1392
01:12:51,233 --> 01:12:53,322
I didn't realize
everyone was gonna despise me.
1393
01:13:01,635 --> 01:13:04,551
I think "Dressed to Kill"
is, first of all,
1394
01:13:04,551 --> 01:13:05,987
it's visually stunning.
1395
01:13:05,987 --> 01:13:08,162
It's an emotional dance,
it's a visual dance.
1396
01:13:08,162 --> 01:13:10,209
The film worked on paper,
it just did.
1397
01:13:10,209 --> 01:13:12,211
It was -- You could see it.
1398
01:13:12,211 --> 01:13:16,606
I personally wasn't a fan
of the slasher aspect of it,
1399
01:13:16,606 --> 01:13:20,175
and I always felt
that the elevator scene,
1400
01:13:20,175 --> 01:13:22,003
you didn't even
have to see anything.
1401
01:13:22,003 --> 01:13:25,615
My preference would have been
to just see this character
1402
01:13:25,615 --> 01:13:28,444
being backed into the co--
That was enough for me.
1403
01:13:31,404 --> 01:13:33,798
I didn't need the blood,
but I guess people like that.
1404
01:13:38,758 --> 01:13:41,195
The psychological aspects of it
1405
01:13:41,195 --> 01:13:46,332
rather than the thriller aspects
of it are what I prefer.
1406
01:13:46,332 --> 01:13:50,423
This character that I play,
the Liz Blake character,
1407
01:13:50,423 --> 01:13:52,164
is a very strong woman.
1408
01:13:52,164 --> 01:13:54,557
You can say whatever
you want about her.
1409
01:13:54,557 --> 01:13:56,081
She knows what she wants.
1410
01:13:56,081 --> 01:13:57,864
And that's what she gets.
1411
01:13:57,864 --> 01:14:01,738
Well...what do you think?
1412
01:14:01,738 --> 01:14:03,566
Shooting the last scene
in "Dressed to Kill,"
1413
01:14:03,566 --> 01:14:06,613
first of all,
you're in a sound stage,
1414
01:14:06,613 --> 01:14:08,223
tiny, little corner of a space.
1415
01:14:08,223 --> 01:14:09,571
The water's running.
1416
01:14:09,571 --> 01:14:11,574
They're trying to get it
a little warmer
1417
01:14:11,574 --> 01:14:12,967
so that I don't freeze
to death.
1418
01:14:12,967 --> 01:14:14,446
It's the dead of winter.
1419
01:14:14,446 --> 01:14:17,015
I remember the cold,
I remember the wet,
1420
01:14:17,015 --> 01:14:18,712
I remember the naked.
1421
01:14:18,712 --> 01:14:19,931
That's what I remember.
1422
01:14:25,197 --> 01:14:27,286
There was a mirror.
It opened up.
1423
01:14:27,286 --> 01:14:29,810
That's when
the razor comes out.
1424
01:14:34,032 --> 01:14:36,164
Even though someone's
lying on the floor,
1425
01:14:36,164 --> 01:14:37,861
they're pumping the blood,
1426
01:14:37,861 --> 01:14:40,865
is it coming through
with the razor on my throat...
1427
01:14:43,476 --> 01:14:44,998
...there is something --
1428
01:14:44,998 --> 01:14:47,219
even though
it's all make believe --
1429
01:14:47,219 --> 01:14:50,526
that's traumatizing when you
see blood gushing out of you.
1430
01:14:53,834 --> 01:14:55,531
It does end in a nightmare
for her,
1431
01:14:55,531 --> 01:14:58,056
so you wonder how much more
she's gonna be going on
1432
01:14:58,056 --> 01:14:59,448
in her life with all of that.
1433
01:15:02,234 --> 01:15:05,541
The big hullabaloo
when the film came out
1434
01:15:05,541 --> 01:15:08,980
had nothing to do
with transgender at all.
1435
01:15:08,980 --> 01:15:11,983
It was all about the misogyny.
That's what I remember.
1436
01:15:11,983 --> 01:15:14,115
Let's face it,
you're a whore, eh?
1437
01:15:14,115 --> 01:15:16,117
You're a Park Avenue whore,
but you're still a whore.
1438
01:15:16,117 --> 01:15:17,466
Fuck you.
1439
01:15:17,466 --> 01:15:19,555
No, fuck you.
1440
01:15:19,555 --> 01:15:21,818
That bothered me
because I-I felt like
1441
01:15:21,818 --> 01:15:24,169
Liz Blake
was a pretty tough cookie.
1442
01:15:24,169 --> 01:15:25,910
She was nobody's fool.
1443
01:15:25,910 --> 01:15:29,087
And unlike Angie Dickinson
character who had to be punished
1444
01:15:29,087 --> 01:15:31,089
for her sexuality,
she had real sexual energy.
1445
01:15:31,089 --> 01:15:33,613
She was real comfortable
with her sexuality.
1446
01:15:33,613 --> 01:15:35,223
In fact, it was a business
for her.
1447
01:15:35,223 --> 01:15:36,659
Do you want to fuck me?
1448
01:15:36,659 --> 01:15:38,705
Oh, yes.
1449
01:15:38,705 --> 01:15:42,361
I think it would be very hard
to get that film made today
1450
01:15:42,361 --> 01:15:45,494
with that script,
with that transgender character
1451
01:15:45,494 --> 01:15:48,149
being the killer,
maybe impossible.
1452
01:15:48,149 --> 01:15:50,891
What's important about that film
is what we didn't know
1453
01:15:50,891 --> 01:15:54,634
and how unconscious
we were at that time.
1454
01:15:54,634 --> 01:15:57,637
For better or for worse,
we're more conscious now,
1455
01:15:57,637 --> 01:15:59,421
or self-conscious in a way now.
1456
01:15:59,421 --> 01:16:01,641
Everybody seems
very self-conscious
1457
01:16:01,641 --> 01:16:03,599
to me about everything.
1458
01:16:03,599 --> 01:16:07,386
We're still understanding
and still trying to understand
1459
01:16:07,386 --> 01:16:10,083
some of the complications
of a character
1460
01:16:10,083 --> 01:16:11,781
like
the Michael Caine character.
1461
01:16:15,829 --> 01:16:19,484
I do not gravitate
to scary films,
1462
01:16:19,484 --> 01:16:21,139
but I'm not afraid of them
either.
1463
01:16:21,139 --> 01:16:23,054
I like suspense.
1464
01:16:23,054 --> 01:16:25,360
I like jeopardy in films, I do.
1465
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:29,276
So I guess I like feeling
a little bit out of control
1466
01:16:29,276 --> 01:16:33,107
or whatever,
but I don't like slasher films.
1467
01:16:33,107 --> 01:16:34,717
Don't like just blood and guts.
1468
01:16:34,717 --> 01:16:37,329
I'd like to be a little bit
smarter than that.
1469
01:16:49,776 --> 01:16:51,343
Announcer: "The Entity."
1470
01:16:54,737 --> 01:16:58,306
Barbara Hershey in "The Entity"
is attacked
1471
01:16:58,306 --> 01:17:00,743
by a sexual being of some sort,
1472
01:17:00,743 --> 01:17:03,485
and it's very realistic
and very disturbing.
1473
01:17:11,405 --> 01:17:14,060
It was apparently based
on a true story
1474
01:17:14,060 --> 01:17:17,325
that had happened seven,
eight years previous
1475
01:17:17,325 --> 01:17:18,891
to the making of the film,
1476
01:17:18,891 --> 01:17:21,808
about this woman
who was terrorized,
1477
01:17:21,808 --> 01:17:25,420
and, you know, raped sexually
by this -- this ghost.
1478
01:17:25,420 --> 01:17:28,466
Barbara Hershey gives
an excellent performance
1479
01:17:28,466 --> 01:17:29,642
in the lead role.
1480
01:17:29,642 --> 01:17:31,470
Ron Silver's in it.
1481
01:17:31,470 --> 01:17:33,166
It's a small film.
1482
01:17:33,166 --> 01:17:36,344
It's actually quite effective.
1483
01:17:36,344 --> 01:17:37,998
You think I'm insane.
1484
01:17:37,998 --> 01:17:40,827
Insane?
1485
01:17:40,827 --> 01:17:42,916
That means different things
to different people, Carla.
1486
01:17:42,916 --> 01:17:44,656
It was so realistic,
1487
01:17:44,656 --> 01:17:48,356
because of all the things
she was doing and the bruises.
1488
01:17:48,356 --> 01:17:50,837
That would have been
a hard role.
1489
01:17:50,837 --> 01:17:53,579
You'll wait till I'm alone,
won't you?
1490
01:17:53,579 --> 01:17:56,885
Then you'll come forth
to hurt me, to hurt my children!
1491
01:17:56,885 --> 01:18:01,238
Stan Winston was responsible
for this moment
1492
01:18:01,238 --> 01:18:05,286
where you see Barbara Hershey's
character nude in bed,
1493
01:18:05,286 --> 01:18:08,985
and you see
the entity fondling her.
1494
01:18:08,985 --> 01:18:10,638
It's an excellent effect,
1495
01:18:10,638 --> 01:18:15,687
he and his team
created a fake body for Barbara
1496
01:18:15,687 --> 01:18:18,473
and she was underneath the bed
on a slant board.
1497
01:18:18,473 --> 01:18:21,433
Stan was underneath her
reaching up past her
1498
01:18:21,433 --> 01:18:24,436
to manipulate the --
the breasts.
1499
01:18:24,436 --> 01:18:27,481
So he had cups
on the interior of the breast
1500
01:18:27,481 --> 01:18:29,918
and when he pulled his fingers
in, from the outside,
1501
01:18:29,918 --> 01:18:32,922
it would look as if invisible
fingers were pressing.
1502
01:18:32,922 --> 01:18:37,971
And his other crew were gently
manipulating the fake arms
1503
01:18:37,971 --> 01:18:40,626
and legs of this body.
1504
01:18:40,626 --> 01:18:43,541
Barbara Hershey was exhausted
by doing "The Entity"
1505
01:18:43,541 --> 01:18:46,849
because first of all,
she had to be naked.
1506
01:18:46,849 --> 01:18:49,765
She had to act like somebody
was having sex with her.
1507
01:18:49,765 --> 01:18:51,767
She's got all these people
on set.
1508
01:18:51,767 --> 01:18:55,249
With me, when I'm acting,
like, possessed or something,
1509
01:18:55,249 --> 01:18:57,556
I feel ridiculous.
1510
01:18:57,556 --> 01:18:58,861
I'm sure all that was running
1511
01:18:58,861 --> 01:19:00,819
through her head
when she was doing it.
1512
01:19:00,819 --> 01:19:04,084
But when you see the final
movie, it's very realistic.
1513
01:19:04,084 --> 01:19:05,476
And she did a great job.
1514
01:19:05,476 --> 01:19:06,913
That had to have been
so hard to do.
1515
01:19:20,100 --> 01:19:21,927
It's All Saints' Day.
1516
01:19:21,927 --> 01:19:23,798
Woman: A demanding,
implacable enemy
1517
01:19:23,798 --> 01:19:27,238
whose search for blood
is never satiated.
1518
01:19:27,238 --> 01:19:31,545
The goriest, nastiest thing that
kind of stuck with me growing up
1519
01:19:31,545 --> 01:19:34,158
wasn't anything that Jason did
1520
01:19:34,158 --> 01:19:36,464
or Freddy Krueger did
or Michael Myers did.
1521
01:19:36,464 --> 01:19:39,250
It was Lucio Fulci's
"City of the Living Dead."
1522
01:19:47,083 --> 01:19:49,781
The living dead part
kind of throws you off.
1523
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:54,742
It's a more supernatural movie.
1524
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:05,841
Almost like it was tacked on to
kind of ride the Romero train.
1525
01:20:08,017 --> 01:20:10,976
The original title was
"City of the Living Dead."
1526
01:20:10,976 --> 01:20:12,935
But when they brought it
over to America,
1527
01:20:12,935 --> 01:20:16,024
they changed it
to "The Gates of Hell."
1528
01:20:16,024 --> 01:20:17,897
Nobile Jr.:
"The Gates of Hell" ad
1529
01:20:17,897 --> 01:20:20,204
seemed like it was just warning
you to not watch this movie.
1530
01:20:20,204 --> 01:20:22,510
It had, like, a long explanation
about why it wasn't rated,
1531
01:20:22,510 --> 01:20:25,991
but you can't
come see this movie.
1532
01:20:25,991 --> 01:20:28,647
I remember the image
of "The Gates of Hell" thing,
1533
01:20:28,647 --> 01:20:30,474
thinking it was gonna be
the most terrifying thing
1534
01:20:30,474 --> 01:20:32,085
I've ever seen.
1535
01:20:32,085 --> 01:20:33,739
Just a really effective
marketing campaign...
1536
01:20:33,739 --> 01:20:35,087
to a 12-year-old.
1537
01:20:35,087 --> 01:20:38,961
I saw a priest
who, by hanging himself,
1538
01:20:38,961 --> 01:20:41,225
opened the gates
of Hell.
1539
01:20:41,225 --> 01:20:45,490
It was almost like
this gothic-zombie tale
1540
01:20:45,490 --> 01:20:50,538
surrounding this priest trying
to bring about the apocalypse
1541
01:20:50,538 --> 01:20:53,801
in this small town,
the protagonists
1542
01:20:53,801 --> 01:20:56,326
basically trying to shut
the portal to Hell.
1543
01:21:02,115 --> 01:21:05,378
A dude is sitting in his pickup
truck with his lady.
1544
01:21:08,512 --> 01:21:11,255
And she turns and looks at him
1545
01:21:11,255 --> 01:21:14,301
after seeing this priest flash
before her eyes,
1546
01:21:14,301 --> 01:21:18,174
and she just starts
puking her own guts out.
1547
01:21:18,174 --> 01:21:22,918
And it goes on a lot longer
than you would expect.
1548
01:21:22,918 --> 01:21:24,267
It's super gnarly.
1549
01:21:24,267 --> 01:21:25,878
And that always stuck with me.
1550
01:21:29,663 --> 01:21:31,752
Jericho: And there's some kind
of a kidney-looking thing,
1551
01:21:31,752 --> 01:21:34,451
and then here comes
some sausage intestines,
1552
01:21:34,451 --> 01:21:35,975
and then there's
a heart-like thing,
1553
01:21:35,975 --> 01:21:38,369
and it's just like --
It just doesn't stop.
1554
01:21:44,112 --> 01:21:48,247
It has, to me, the best kill.
1555
01:21:48,247 --> 01:21:51,860
The father holding homeboy's
head down
1556
01:21:51,860 --> 01:21:53,819
and the drill coming in,
1557
01:21:53,819 --> 01:21:58,563
and just giving him the full-on
Black & Decker lobotomy.
1558
01:22:03,916 --> 01:22:05,395
It's so sick.
1559
01:22:05,395 --> 01:22:08,399
To this day, it's one of
my favorite Fulci movies.
1560
01:22:21,106 --> 01:22:23,935
"Pieces" is,
as the tagline says,
1561
01:22:23,935 --> 01:22:26,546
"exactly what you think it is."
1562
01:22:26,546 --> 01:22:28,331
This is a movie they were
trying to capitalize
1563
01:22:28,331 --> 01:22:30,246
on the "Texas Chainsaw
Massacre."
1564
01:22:33,466 --> 01:22:37,557
A maniac killer
going around a college,
1565
01:22:37,557 --> 01:22:41,736
chopping up a bevy
of beautiful women
1566
01:22:41,736 --> 01:22:45,697
to basically create
one perfect, beautiful woman.
1567
01:22:48,961 --> 01:22:52,529
And the fact that this is still
such an underground movie
1568
01:22:52,529 --> 01:22:54,182
is criminal.
1569
01:22:56,446 --> 01:22:58,318
The gore is insane.
1570
01:22:58,318 --> 01:23:00,842
There's so much blood
everywhere,
1571
01:23:00,842 --> 01:23:04,759
it's almost like you
can just smell the guts.
1572
01:23:08,110 --> 01:23:09,851
George: Help!
1573
01:23:09,851 --> 01:23:11,853
I would have to turn
in my horror card
1574
01:23:11,853 --> 01:23:13,985
if I didn't say
that the greatest scene
1575
01:23:13,985 --> 01:23:16,771
in almost any '80s horror film
1576
01:23:16,771 --> 01:23:21,689
was not Linda George shouting,
"Bastard!"
1577
01:23:21,689 --> 01:23:23,865
Bastard!
1578
01:23:25,823 --> 01:23:28,173
Bastard!
1579
01:23:28,173 --> 01:23:30,349
There was a major red herring
in the film.
1580
01:23:30,349 --> 01:23:32,090
There's a guy
who's the groundskeeper,
1581
01:23:32,090 --> 01:23:35,267
walking around with a chainsaw,
played by Paul Smith,
1582
01:23:35,267 --> 01:23:37,749
who was Bluto
in the "Popeye" movie,
1583
01:23:37,749 --> 01:23:39,489
and also in "Dune."
1584
01:23:41,404 --> 01:23:43,710
You think that he is gonna
be the killer.
1585
01:23:43,710 --> 01:23:48,107
It's one of the most blatantly
obvious not red herrings ever.
1586
01:23:48,107 --> 01:23:49,935
He's walking around,
he's got the chainsaw,
1587
01:23:49,935 --> 01:23:51,892
he loves his chainsaw,
1588
01:23:51,892 --> 01:23:55,027
and people are dying
by chainsaw.
1589
01:23:57,421 --> 01:23:59,684
If anything, you have to see it
for the ending.
1590
01:23:59,684 --> 01:24:01,468
You will not see
this one coming.
1591
01:24:19,180 --> 01:24:22,227
Lucio Fulci's "The Beyond"
is a fantastic movie
1592
01:24:22,227 --> 01:24:26,274
that I think, one,
not only captures the essence
1593
01:24:26,274 --> 01:24:28,147
of who he was as a filmmaker,
1594
01:24:28,147 --> 01:24:30,018
but I also think,
in a really great way,
1595
01:24:30,018 --> 01:24:33,934
it's really a fantastic sort of
celebration of the weirdness
1596
01:24:33,934 --> 01:24:37,635
that is New Orleans,
specifically in the early 1980s.
1597
01:24:37,635 --> 01:24:39,332
The movie is centered
on a young woman
1598
01:24:39,332 --> 01:24:42,856
who inherits
mysteriously a hotel,
1599
01:24:42,856 --> 01:24:45,946
and then ultimately finds out
that the hotel is centered
1600
01:24:45,946 --> 01:24:48,296
over one of the gates
of Hell, darn.
1601
01:24:48,296 --> 01:24:51,910
This hotel is one of the
seven gateways of Hell.
1602
01:24:54,564 --> 01:24:56,349
And I think in the first
30 seconds,
1603
01:24:56,349 --> 01:24:57,871
we've already got flesh ripping,
1604
01:24:57,871 --> 01:25:00,265
really ghastly,
gruesome effects,
1605
01:25:00,265 --> 01:25:01,919
which were the work
of Giannetto De Rossi,
1606
01:25:01,919 --> 01:25:03,964
who is one of the greatest
sort of Italian
1607
01:25:03,964 --> 01:25:05,793
special effects
artists over there,
1608
01:25:05,793 --> 01:25:07,882
and it just
never stops from there.
1609
01:25:07,882 --> 01:25:11,494
It's just a constant barrage
of horribleness.
1610
01:25:14,061 --> 01:25:18,196
He also taps into my fear
of big spiders as well.
1611
01:25:18,196 --> 01:25:20,503
In Fulci's world, tarantulas
are gonna come for you
1612
01:25:20,503 --> 01:25:24,333
and they're going
to eat your face.
1613
01:25:24,333 --> 01:25:27,467
You have, like, these little
munching spiders coming through,
1614
01:25:27,467 --> 01:25:30,121
eating the guy's flesh
and tearing it away.
1615
01:25:30,121 --> 01:25:32,037
Basically, it sounds,
you know, like,
1616
01:25:32,037 --> 01:25:34,778
there's like a bunch of people
at a buffet.
1617
01:25:36,084 --> 01:25:38,129
There's a great set piece
at the hospital.
1618
01:25:38,129 --> 01:25:42,525
It's just like a constant
barrage of reanimated corpses.
1619
01:25:42,525 --> 01:25:44,091
They're trying to fight
their way out,
1620
01:25:44,091 --> 01:25:46,312
and it just, like,
it doesn't stop.
1621
01:25:50,316 --> 01:25:52,360
Eyes were definitely a motif
in "The Beyond"
1622
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:55,364
that we saw sort of utilized
again and again.
1623
01:25:55,364 --> 01:25:58,366
We have Joe the handyman
who basically finds himself
1624
01:25:58,366 --> 01:26:00,934
being blinded in both eyes
after being attacked.
1625
01:26:03,371 --> 01:26:04,809
And then you have a housekeeper
1626
01:26:04,809 --> 01:26:06,461
who ends up getting
sort of pushed
1627
01:26:06,461 --> 01:26:09,596
onto a large spike,
and her eye pops out as well.
1628
01:26:11,336 --> 01:26:15,122
And then you have characters
in the movie who also go blind.
1629
01:26:15,122 --> 01:26:17,472
It's a really weird
and wild movie,
1630
01:26:17,472 --> 01:26:19,910
but you wouldn't expect
anything less from Fulci.
1631
01:26:34,751 --> 01:26:36,579
I wanted to make
a monster movie.
1632
01:26:40,322 --> 01:26:42,193
I wrote "The Being"
when I was 23.
1633
01:26:42,193 --> 01:26:44,587
I was fascinated by
the idea of horror,
1634
01:26:44,587 --> 01:26:48,939
because I love eliciting
a reaction.
1635
01:26:48,939 --> 01:26:51,899
A nuclear waste dump
produces a monster
1636
01:26:51,899 --> 01:26:53,944
that wreaks havoc
on a small town
1637
01:26:53,944 --> 01:26:55,902
while he's looking for his mom.
1638
01:26:55,902 --> 01:26:59,472
Okay?
Alright?
1639
01:26:59,472 --> 01:27:01,605
There's always a human
element there.
1640
01:27:01,605 --> 01:27:03,781
My sort of weird sense of humor.
1641
01:27:03,781 --> 01:27:06,653
I think that is the thread
you see in all my films.
1642
01:27:09,263 --> 01:27:13,268
I went over to Martin Landau's
acting studio
1643
01:27:13,268 --> 01:27:14,878
because I wanted
Martin Landau in my film.
1644
01:27:14,878 --> 01:27:16,706
And I said,
"You know, Mr. Landau,
1645
01:27:16,706 --> 01:27:22,102
I really don't want to be in
your acting class, no offense.
1646
01:27:22,102 --> 01:27:24,061
I'm a director,
1647
01:27:24,061 --> 01:27:26,367
and I want you
to be in my film."
1648
01:27:26,367 --> 01:27:28,326
And he was so wonderful.
1649
01:27:28,326 --> 01:27:30,155
I pulled the script
out of my bag
1650
01:27:30,155 --> 01:27:32,374
and gave it to him,
and he goes, "I'll read it."
1651
01:27:32,374 --> 01:27:35,029
And he read it that night
and he said he'd do it.
1652
01:27:35,029 --> 01:27:38,292
And he was instrumental
in getting José Ferrer,
1653
01:27:38,292 --> 01:27:41,557
who was a friend of his,
and Dorothy Malone.
1654
01:27:41,557 --> 01:27:46,126
I had two Academy Award-winning
actors in my first horror film.
1655
01:27:49,087 --> 01:27:53,482
I even spent so much time
trying to design the monster,
1656
01:27:53,482 --> 01:27:55,789
and finally everyone said,
"Stop designing the monster.
1657
01:27:55,789 --> 01:27:57,137
Start making the movie."
1658
01:28:01,402 --> 01:28:05,102
I may have been heavy-handed
with it, but it still works,
1659
01:28:05,102 --> 01:28:09,846
of this denial about
environmental disasters.
1660
01:28:09,846 --> 01:28:13,458
I mean, Martin Landau says
with dead seriousness
1661
01:28:13,458 --> 01:28:15,982
that dumping nuclear waste
into the aquifer
1662
01:28:15,982 --> 01:28:17,897
will not affect
the drinking water.
1663
01:28:17,897 --> 01:28:19,683
He even does
the demonstration --
1664
01:28:19,683 --> 01:28:21,772
Pouring the water,
drinking the water,
1665
01:28:21,772 --> 01:28:24,339
"Mmmmmm, delicious."
1666
01:28:24,339 --> 01:28:26,907
This goes on today.
1667
01:28:26,907 --> 01:28:29,909
It was chilling, unpredictable,
1668
01:28:29,909 --> 01:28:32,346
and a slice of Americana.
1669
01:28:32,346 --> 01:28:34,261
I learned a lot
making that movie.
1670
01:28:39,179 --> 01:28:42,356
It wasn't a perfect film,
but I have to say, you know,
1671
01:28:42,356 --> 01:28:44,707
I have certain fans
that come to me
1672
01:28:44,707 --> 01:28:46,491
and tell me it's their
favorite film that I've made.
1673
01:28:59,592 --> 01:29:01,375
Announcer: "The Keep."
1674
01:29:01,375 --> 01:29:04,597
Coming soon
from Paramount Pictures.
1675
01:29:04,597 --> 01:29:06,163
Michael Mann directs "The Keep,"
1676
01:29:06,163 --> 01:29:09,254
which I think is
one of his best movies.
1677
01:29:09,254 --> 01:29:12,212
That's a Pandora's Box movie.
It's like "The Mummy."
1678
01:29:12,212 --> 01:29:17,087
We don't want to let whatever's
in the keep out.
1679
01:29:17,087 --> 01:29:19,350
The reason it's in the keep,
it's supposed to stay in there.
1680
01:29:19,350 --> 01:29:21,700
Never touch the crosses.
1681
01:29:23,485 --> 01:29:25,008
Never!
1682
01:29:25,008 --> 01:29:27,053
And the Nazis have to control
this keep.
1683
01:29:27,053 --> 01:29:31,536
And, of course, they can't not
open up the keep
1684
01:29:31,536 --> 01:29:32,756
and find out what is in it.
1685
01:29:37,543 --> 01:29:40,588
What we find out is inside
is Scott Glenn.
1686
01:29:42,374 --> 01:29:44,811
You don't want to let
Scott Glenn out on the world.
1687
01:29:46,856 --> 01:29:49,511
Don't...touch that.
1688
01:29:51,949 --> 01:29:54,038
The reason why "The Keep"
has a cult following
1689
01:29:54,038 --> 01:29:58,258
is that it is both
very '80s and very unique.
1690
01:29:58,258 --> 01:30:01,958
The sound design,
the look of it, the music.
1691
01:30:01,958 --> 01:30:05,309
It's all very unlike
what you would see
1692
01:30:05,309 --> 01:30:09,400
in a World War II movie
where a monster kills people.
1693
01:30:12,620 --> 01:30:15,058
Michael Mann, just like
on his previous movie "Thief,"
1694
01:30:15,058 --> 01:30:17,321
he used Tangerine Dream
for the soundtrack,
1695
01:30:17,321 --> 01:30:20,019
and it's these moody,
synthesized soundscapes,
1696
01:30:20,019 --> 01:30:21,978
which is again something
you don't normally hear
1697
01:30:21,978 --> 01:30:23,414
in a World War II movie.
1698
01:30:30,508 --> 01:30:32,466
The villain of the movie,
Molasar,
1699
01:30:32,466 --> 01:30:34,164
has a really interesting look.
1700
01:30:34,164 --> 01:30:37,297
When he first appears,
he's this giant mass of muscle
1701
01:30:37,297 --> 01:30:39,430
and sinew with a skull
for a head.
1702
01:30:39,430 --> 01:30:41,607
It almost looks like somebody's
skinned the Incredible Hulk.
1703
01:30:41,607 --> 01:30:43,783
The soldiers are back.
1704
01:30:43,783 --> 01:30:46,351
I will destroy them!
1705
01:30:46,351 --> 01:30:48,221
And then later,
he gets more complete,
1706
01:30:48,221 --> 01:30:51,008
and he takes on almost
this Gollum-like appearance,
1707
01:30:51,008 --> 01:30:53,227
which is pretty appropriate
considering the Gollum
1708
01:30:53,227 --> 01:30:56,186
is a creature
from Jewish mythology
1709
01:30:56,186 --> 01:30:58,276
and he's killing Nazis.
1710
01:31:04,934 --> 01:31:07,372
The movie had
a very troubled production.
1711
01:31:07,372 --> 01:31:09,503
Michael Mann's original cut
was supposed to be
1712
01:31:09,503 --> 01:31:11,766
three and a half hours long,
but they forced him
1713
01:31:11,766 --> 01:31:13,812
to cut it down to a little
over an hour and a half.
1714
01:31:13,812 --> 01:31:15,509
So as a result,
in the final movie,
1715
01:31:15,509 --> 01:31:17,947
there's a lot of elements
that aren't really explained.
1716
01:31:17,947 --> 01:31:19,862
For example,
Scott Glenn's character,
1717
01:31:19,862 --> 01:31:23,213
you're not exactly sure what
his connection to the villain is
1718
01:31:23,213 --> 01:31:27,260
or why he's got these --
these supernatural powers.
1719
01:31:30,046 --> 01:31:32,396
Michael Mann was very
disappointed in the movie
1720
01:31:32,396 --> 01:31:36,096
and has basically tried to bury
it ever since it was released.
1721
01:31:36,096 --> 01:31:38,489
Aah!
1722
01:31:38,489 --> 01:31:40,056
Michael, if you're
watching this,
1723
01:31:40,056 --> 01:31:41,361
I know you don't like
this movie,
1724
01:31:41,361 --> 01:31:43,320
but there are people
out there who do.
1725
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:46,584
So, you know, maybe consider
giving it a high-def release.
1726
01:31:59,728 --> 01:32:02,905
Gower: In the '80s, having
the kids be part of the story
1727
01:32:02,905 --> 01:32:04,907
and an integral part
of the story,
1728
01:32:04,907 --> 01:32:09,042
instead of just someone's
offspring, became more popular.
1729
01:32:09,042 --> 01:32:11,739
And it became more part
of the story engine
1730
01:32:11,739 --> 01:32:13,437
than just on the side.
1731
01:32:13,437 --> 01:32:16,440
We progressed out of that
as just a cutesy little kind of,
1732
01:32:16,440 --> 01:32:18,703
"I'm the kid with the freckles,"
on an episode of "The Love Boat"
1733
01:32:18,703 --> 01:32:20,705
into being chased
by guys with axes
1734
01:32:20,705 --> 01:32:24,622
and monsters with dynamite,
and cars that come alive.
1735
01:32:24,622 --> 01:32:26,493
Stuff that can really get you.
1736
01:32:26,493 --> 01:32:30,106
Anytime you put a young kid
in a -- in a scary story,
1737
01:32:30,106 --> 01:32:31,716
it really brings it home.
1738
01:32:37,243 --> 01:32:39,071
You put them in groups,
you put kids in peril,
1739
01:32:39,071 --> 01:32:41,247
you put them in adventures,
it becomes this whole thing,
1740
01:32:41,247 --> 01:32:42,770
and you're just wrapped up
in emotion
1741
01:32:42,770 --> 01:32:45,556
because these are kids,
you want them to succeed.
1742
01:32:45,556 --> 01:32:48,211
So you go all the way back
to the original kid
1743
01:32:48,211 --> 01:32:50,169
in a horror story,
1744
01:32:50,169 --> 01:32:53,129
is when Frankenstein's monster
kills a little girl by the pond.
1745
01:32:53,129 --> 01:32:56,219
That had to have been
absolutely astonishing
1746
01:32:56,219 --> 01:32:57,960
to people at that time,
1747
01:32:57,960 --> 01:32:59,787
that really punches you
right in the chest,
1748
01:32:59,787 --> 01:33:02,790
where it's like, "Wow, some harm
came to this kid."
1749
01:33:02,790 --> 01:33:06,359
There was a rule for a while
that you cannot kill off a kid.
1750
01:33:06,359 --> 01:33:09,188
And I don't think I do
except for in "The Being."
1751
01:33:10,624 --> 01:33:12,976
I think I cross
the line on that one.
1752
01:33:12,976 --> 01:33:15,368
But I love working with kids.
1753
01:33:15,368 --> 01:33:16,848
They love that role playing.
1754
01:33:16,848 --> 01:33:20,373
They know how to react
to what's happening
1755
01:33:20,373 --> 01:33:22,897
and get totally immersed
in the scene...
1756
01:33:22,897 --> 01:33:24,334
There she is.
1757
01:33:24,334 --> 01:33:26,075
...without being self-conscious.
1758
01:33:29,208 --> 01:33:32,951
I have always loved watching
young performers anyway.
1759
01:33:32,951 --> 01:33:35,301
Because it's amazing to me
1760
01:33:35,301 --> 01:33:38,043
that someone can have
that kind of ability.
1761
01:33:38,043 --> 01:33:41,655
Sometimes they grow up
to be tremendous actors
1762
01:33:41,655 --> 01:33:45,833
because of that, and other
times, they're fuck-ups.
1763
01:33:45,833 --> 01:33:47,531
Gower: But working with kids
is a whole other thing
1764
01:33:47,531 --> 01:33:49,315
that a lot of people
don't understand
1765
01:33:49,315 --> 01:33:51,709
if they've never been in
production with younger actors,
1766
01:33:51,709 --> 01:33:53,972
because there's
restraints on time.
1767
01:33:53,972 --> 01:33:55,843
They can, you know,
depending on how old you are,
1768
01:33:55,843 --> 01:33:58,150
there's different levels of how
long you can actually be on set.
1769
01:33:58,150 --> 01:34:00,197
There's even minimums
or maximums
1770
01:34:00,197 --> 01:34:01,719
of how long you can be
in front of the camera,
1771
01:34:01,719 --> 01:34:03,373
which adds into how long
you can be on set.
1772
01:34:03,373 --> 01:34:05,070
You have to go to school
every day.
1773
01:34:05,070 --> 01:34:07,116
There's a reason why they say
don't work with kids.
1774
01:34:07,116 --> 01:34:09,031
It really is a pain in the ass
for a production.
1775
01:34:12,904 --> 01:34:16,516
"Halloween III"
and on Halloween night,
1776
01:34:16,516 --> 01:34:21,435
all these masks are gonna eat
the kids' faces
1777
01:34:21,435 --> 01:34:24,220
and brains and kill them.
1778
01:34:31,357 --> 01:34:33,229
It gives me chills
thinking about it.
1779
01:34:33,229 --> 01:34:35,492
I want everybody
to be reassured,
1780
01:34:35,492 --> 01:34:38,712
when I'm standing there
on the phone screaming,
1781
01:34:38,712 --> 01:34:42,151
"Please stop it,
stop it, turn it off,
1782
01:34:42,151 --> 01:34:44,501
stop it, turn off
the final channel.
1783
01:34:44,501 --> 01:34:48,983
Stop it, stop it,"
all the children were saved.
1784
01:34:48,983 --> 01:34:51,073
You can take that to the bank.
1785
01:34:51,073 --> 01:34:52,335
Dante: When you're a kid,
1786
01:34:52,335 --> 01:34:54,163
other kids getting killed
on screen
1787
01:34:54,163 --> 01:34:56,904
is much more affecting
than if you see their, you know,
1788
01:34:56,904 --> 01:34:58,123
somebody's grandfather
getting killed.
1789
01:35:01,779 --> 01:35:06,305
It became very trendy to have
at least one or two kids
1790
01:35:06,305 --> 01:35:09,787
or a group of kids
going against the antagonist.
1791
01:35:09,787 --> 01:35:11,963
They would assemble
this group of --
1792
01:35:11,963 --> 01:35:16,402
of plucky kids to try
and take down,
1793
01:35:16,402 --> 01:35:20,276
you know, this
incredibly disturbing force.
1794
01:35:20,276 --> 01:35:23,757
As a kid growing up in the '80s,
1795
01:35:23,757 --> 01:35:29,546
it was cool to kind of be able
to see myself reflected in that.
1796
01:35:29,546 --> 01:35:33,419
It was empowering to see that,
especially as a poor kid.
1797
01:35:33,419 --> 01:35:36,596
Burn rubber!
1798
01:35:36,596 --> 01:35:37,989
Aaaaahh!
1799
01:35:39,382 --> 01:35:40,818
Christ!
1800
01:35:40,818 --> 01:35:42,167
I think a lot of it
1801
01:35:42,167 --> 01:35:45,170
came from the writings
of Stephen King.
1802
01:35:45,170 --> 01:35:49,348
I mean, "Cujo" has the kid.
"It" has a group of kids.
1803
01:35:49,348 --> 01:35:53,483
I mean, he was kind of
the inventor of that subgenre,
1804
01:35:53,483 --> 01:35:55,137
if you want to call it that.
1805
01:35:55,137 --> 01:35:58,531
Stephen King certainly
has exploited Children as --
1806
01:35:58,531 --> 01:36:01,230
children as victims,
children as evil, you know,
1807
01:36:01,230 --> 01:36:04,189
and -- and done it
really quite well.
1808
01:36:04,189 --> 01:36:05,625
I think
it's an interesting tool
1809
01:36:05,625 --> 01:36:08,237
because I think we become,
as the audience,
1810
01:36:08,237 --> 01:36:11,153
very conflicted, because right
away, it's a child.
1811
01:36:11,153 --> 01:36:14,634
So you have all of these
mixed -- mixed emotions
1812
01:36:14,634 --> 01:36:17,375
about how you're supposed
to feel about it.
1813
01:36:20,945 --> 01:36:24,296
One of Stephen's tricks
is to put kids in jeopardy.
1814
01:36:24,296 --> 01:36:27,038
It's a little bit too effective,
I think,
1815
01:36:27,038 --> 01:36:29,214
because it gets mimicked
all the time.
1816
01:36:29,214 --> 01:36:31,782
And it's one of those things
that I resent.
1817
01:36:31,782 --> 01:36:34,480
It becomes a trope.
1818
01:36:34,480 --> 01:36:36,307
Now the kid is being victimized,
1819
01:36:36,307 --> 01:36:39,224
so our heroes are justified
in doing anything they want.
1820
01:36:39,224 --> 01:36:41,748
They're morally excused,
ethically excused from anything
1821
01:36:41,748 --> 01:36:45,535
because there's
a child involved.
1822
01:36:45,535 --> 01:36:48,101
Gage in "Pet Cemetery"
is interesting,
1823
01:36:48,101 --> 01:36:50,017
because in the beginning,
1824
01:36:50,017 --> 01:36:53,151
he is just
an innocent little kid...Bye-bye.
1825
01:36:53,151 --> 01:36:56,372
...and he gets killed
devastatingly.
1826
01:37:01,464 --> 01:37:03,422
After I became a father,
1827
01:37:03,422 --> 01:37:05,990
that scene had so much
more weight than it did
1828
01:37:05,990 --> 01:37:07,687
when I was younger.
1829
01:37:07,687 --> 01:37:10,951
But it's interesting because
he is the poster child
1830
01:37:10,951 --> 01:37:12,997
for innocence in the beginning.
1831
01:37:12,997 --> 01:37:14,781
Hi, Daddy, I love you.
1832
01:37:14,781 --> 01:37:17,393
And then after he gets buried
in the pet cemetery,
1833
01:37:17,393 --> 01:37:19,743
he comes back as the villain.
1834
01:37:21,178 --> 01:37:24,226
Gage 2.0 comes in
1835
01:37:24,226 --> 01:37:27,968
and cuts Fred Gwynne's
Achilles tendon.
1836
01:37:27,968 --> 01:37:31,450
It's such a simple move,
but it's so cruel
1837
01:37:31,450 --> 01:37:34,366
and it's so effective
and it's so horrifying.
1838
01:37:39,979 --> 01:37:43,462
I don't scare easily.
1839
01:37:43,462 --> 01:37:46,378
The moment that is iconic for me
out of the 1980s,
1840
01:37:46,378 --> 01:37:48,598
is the twins from "The Shining."
1841
01:37:48,598 --> 01:37:49,903
They bothered me.
1842
01:37:49,903 --> 01:37:52,254
And they stayed with me.
1843
01:37:52,254 --> 01:37:53,994
Featherston: The twins
at the end of the hallway,
1844
01:37:53,994 --> 01:37:56,780
every time I'm in a hotel,
and I'm in a hallway alone,
1845
01:37:56,780 --> 01:37:58,564
that comes back for me
and I have this moment of like,
1846
01:37:58,564 --> 01:38:00,479
"Please don't let the hallway
feel longer than it is."
1847
01:38:00,479 --> 01:38:02,786
That is just a spooky-ass thing.
1848
01:38:02,786 --> 01:38:04,701
And the kid is wonderful in it.
1849
01:38:07,530 --> 01:38:09,183
There's just such a sadness
about that.
1850
01:38:09,183 --> 01:38:12,143
It's a lot of responsibility
to have that awareness,
1851
01:38:12,143 --> 01:38:15,842
to have that knowing,
to have that power.
1852
01:38:15,842 --> 01:38:18,932
It's a lot of responsibility
for a child.
1853
01:38:22,414 --> 01:38:24,894
That was the slow kill
for me, too, was the kid
1854
01:38:24,894 --> 01:38:28,986
'cause he would sit there
and you knew he knew.
1855
01:38:28,986 --> 01:38:32,205
There's nothing worse
for a child to know.
1856
01:38:32,205 --> 01:38:33,686
Adults, it's okay.
1857
01:38:33,686 --> 01:38:36,080
But when a child embraces,
1858
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:38,430
"I know something
that they don't know,"
1859
01:38:38,430 --> 01:38:42,173
then it becomes
really terrifying.
1860
01:38:42,173 --> 01:38:45,132
Redrum.
1861
01:38:45,132 --> 01:38:47,265
Redrum.
1862
01:38:47,265 --> 01:38:50,876
And as a child, of course,
you tend to feel powerless.
1863
01:38:50,876 --> 01:38:54,577
And the fantasy of being able
to telekinetically punish
1864
01:38:54,577 --> 01:38:58,188
one's enemies
was really intoxicating.
1865
01:38:58,188 --> 01:39:01,061
It just appealed to my,
1866
01:39:01,061 --> 01:39:03,673
you know,
frustrated powerlessness
1867
01:39:03,673 --> 01:39:06,632
that I felt as a child,
that I think most children feel.
1868
01:39:13,857 --> 01:39:17,991
Just for a moment in our lives
when we felt that powerless,
1869
01:39:17,991 --> 01:39:19,427
the, you know, the bully
1870
01:39:19,427 --> 01:39:23,562
or the cruelty
that we've experienced,
1871
01:39:23,562 --> 01:39:25,869
I'm wishing I had a little
of that power myself
1872
01:39:25,869 --> 01:39:27,479
right now in the world.
1873
01:39:44,409 --> 01:39:46,933
"The Black Cat" by Lucio Fulci.
1874
01:39:46,933 --> 01:39:50,894
Many times the Edgar Allan Poe
story was adapted into film.
1875
01:39:50,894 --> 01:39:54,288
There was a 1934 film
with Karloff and Lugosi.
1876
01:39:54,288 --> 01:39:57,683
There was the 1940s film
with Lugosi also.
1877
01:39:57,683 --> 01:39:59,684
And then there was the '60s,
1878
01:39:59,684 --> 01:40:01,991
which had Vincent Price
and Peter Lorre.
1879
01:40:04,297 --> 01:40:06,865
All of them were very loose
adaptations, and so is this one.
1880
01:40:09,956 --> 01:40:12,306
This one is nothing subtle
at all.
1881
01:40:12,306 --> 01:40:14,178
This is about a killer cat.
1882
01:40:16,659 --> 01:40:19,139
Aah! Aah!
1883
01:40:21,794 --> 01:40:24,754
It doesn't just murder people,
it murders the shit out of them.
1884
01:40:24,754 --> 01:40:26,973
This cat could take
on Michael Myers.
1885
01:40:26,973 --> 01:40:28,060
It's a beast.
1886
01:40:30,280 --> 01:40:32,979
There's horror movies
where people burn to death.
1887
01:40:32,979 --> 01:40:34,416
And then there's horror movies
1888
01:40:34,416 --> 01:40:36,156
where people get thrown
out of windows.
1889
01:40:38,245 --> 01:40:42,205
Well, in "Black Cat,"
you get both at the same time.
1890
01:40:49,953 --> 01:40:51,519
Holy shit.
1891
01:40:53,695 --> 01:40:56,786
Some of the other movies
kind of use the black cat
1892
01:40:56,786 --> 01:40:59,919
as a symbol, like a metaphor
for evil or something,
1893
01:40:59,919 --> 01:41:03,749
but this one is just
going right for the jugular.
1894
01:41:03,749 --> 01:41:05,229
The cat is gonna leap out
1895
01:41:05,229 --> 01:41:06,709
and tear your fucking face
off.
1896
01:41:25,902 --> 01:41:27,380
"Suspiria" gets all the love,
1897
01:41:27,380 --> 01:41:29,252
but "Tenebrae"
is my favorite Argento.
1898
01:41:29,252 --> 01:41:31,646
There's something about the way
Argento paces a scene
1899
01:41:31,646 --> 01:41:33,736
where you know
something's coming,
1900
01:41:33,736 --> 01:41:34,998
because you're watching
a horror movie
1901
01:41:34,998 --> 01:41:36,346
and you've seen horror movies.
1902
01:41:36,346 --> 01:41:37,870
So you know that's --
that's the deal,
1903
01:41:37,870 --> 01:41:40,090
but he waits just
a little too long,
1904
01:41:40,090 --> 01:41:41,918
so that when he finally
delivers it,
1905
01:41:41,918 --> 01:41:43,223
it's a different
kind of catharsis
1906
01:41:43,223 --> 01:41:44,834
than your average slasher movie.
1907
01:41:52,494 --> 01:41:54,800
I love stories about writers.
1908
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:58,150
For me, that's just one of
my sort of cinematic catnips.
1909
01:41:58,150 --> 01:42:01,415
Tony Franciosa, in this movie,
he's playing an author
1910
01:42:01,415 --> 01:42:03,635
who basically
there's a killer out there
1911
01:42:03,635 --> 01:42:05,507
who's mimicking things
from his book,
1912
01:42:05,507 --> 01:42:08,379
and then he's sort of dealing
with the ramifications of that,
1913
01:42:08,379 --> 01:42:10,294
in Italy,
while he's on a book tour.
1914
01:42:10,294 --> 01:42:14,471
And his manager in the movie
is John Saxon, who is a delight.
1915
01:42:14,471 --> 01:42:16,908
It's such a complete
departure for him
1916
01:42:16,908 --> 01:42:19,041
from being Lieutenant Thompson
1917
01:42:19,041 --> 01:42:20,609
in the "Nightmare
on Elm Street" movies.
1918
01:42:20,609 --> 01:42:22,480
Doesn't it drop off?
Drop off?
1919
01:42:22,480 --> 01:42:24,308
Yeah, I mean, if you make
a quick movement,
1920
01:42:24,308 --> 01:42:25,439
won't it slip off?
1921
01:42:25,439 --> 01:42:27,746
Look...
1922
01:42:27,746 --> 01:42:29,487
I really love Daria Nicolodi
in it,
1923
01:42:29,487 --> 01:42:32,403
who was a frequent collaborator
with Dario Argento,
1924
01:42:32,403 --> 01:42:34,492
and I don't think
she gets enough credit
1925
01:42:34,492 --> 01:42:36,712
for the writing
that she did with him.
1926
01:42:36,712 --> 01:42:39,410
Some of the camerawork
in that movie is absolutely,
1927
01:42:39,410 --> 01:42:41,238
like, just astonishingly great.
1928
01:42:48,462 --> 01:42:53,206
The way that that camera moves
is so fluid and so wonderful.
1929
01:42:57,994 --> 01:43:02,651
There is this huge switch
that happens in the movie.
1930
01:43:02,651 --> 01:43:05,131
You think you know the game
that's being played,
1931
01:43:05,131 --> 01:43:07,264
and then ultimately,
halfway through the movie,
1932
01:43:07,264 --> 01:43:09,353
it takes a completely
different direction.
1933
01:43:15,488 --> 01:43:17,491
A woman is sitting in her house,
1934
01:43:17,491 --> 01:43:19,406
and she's sitting there
with a gun in her hand,
1935
01:43:19,406 --> 01:43:22,018
and the killer, out of nowhere,
just kind of comes to the window
1936
01:43:22,018 --> 01:43:23,889
and chops her hand off
with the gun in it.
1937
01:43:26,936 --> 01:43:28,720
And then she gets up,
1938
01:43:28,720 --> 01:43:32,549
and there's just this crimson
spray of blood everywhere,
1939
01:43:32,549 --> 01:43:34,377
and, of course,
everything has white walls.
1940
01:43:34,377 --> 01:43:36,727
So it looks amazing.
1941
01:43:36,727 --> 01:43:38,600
It's beautiful.
1942
01:43:38,600 --> 01:43:40,863
Like it shouldn't be beautiful,
this should be horrifying.
1943
01:43:40,863 --> 01:43:43,430
But yet there's something
so stunning about the way
1944
01:43:43,430 --> 01:43:46,085
that that blood would hit,
and especially Italian blood
1945
01:43:46,085 --> 01:43:49,480
was always notoriously much more
red and much more vibrant
1946
01:43:49,480 --> 01:43:52,744
than the blood we were
using here in the States.
1947
01:43:52,744 --> 01:43:55,659
It really captures
everything that you love about
1948
01:43:55,659 --> 01:43:57,444
Giallo movies, but does it
in a different way
1949
01:43:57,444 --> 01:43:59,708
that we really hadn't seen
from him before.
1950
01:43:59,708 --> 01:44:02,840
It's one of the standouts
amongst Argento's filmography,
1951
01:44:02,840 --> 01:44:05,321
specifically during the 1980s.
1952
01:44:13,809 --> 01:44:15,462
Announcer: "C.H.U.D." --
1953
01:44:15,462 --> 01:44:20,598
cannibalistic humanoid
underground dwellers.
1954
01:44:20,598 --> 01:44:23,514
Janisse: "C.H.U.D." stars
John Hurt and Daniel Stern.
1955
01:44:23,514 --> 01:44:26,342
It's got early appearances
by Coen brothers mainstays
1956
01:44:26,342 --> 01:44:28,258
like Jon Polito as a newscaster,
1957
01:44:28,258 --> 01:44:32,305
and John Goodman, who alongside
Jay Thomas, are cops in a diner.
1958
01:44:32,305 --> 01:44:34,438
Ah.
1959
01:44:38,267 --> 01:44:42,924
The concept of going underground
and mutant homeless people
1960
01:44:42,924 --> 01:44:45,404
that are mutated
through the nuclear waste
1961
01:44:45,404 --> 01:44:46,711
that was
being stored underground
1962
01:44:46,711 --> 01:44:48,320
in New York, and it was great.
1963
01:44:48,320 --> 01:44:50,453
So it certainly had that
"Death Wish,"
1964
01:44:50,453 --> 01:44:52,585
dirty New York setting
1965
01:44:52,585 --> 01:44:55,894
with the isolation
of the underground tunnels,
1966
01:44:55,894 --> 01:44:57,199
and then the mutant monsters.
1967
01:45:00,464 --> 01:45:02,204
Shit!
1968
01:45:04,946 --> 01:45:07,645
So it had a great mixture
of elements.
1969
01:45:07,645 --> 01:45:10,474
The idea of cannibalistic
humanoid underground dwellers
1970
01:45:10,474 --> 01:45:11,953
is a brilliant one, really.
1971
01:45:11,953 --> 01:45:13,433
And then obviously the bit
at the start,
1972
01:45:13,433 --> 01:45:16,174
where the puppy and the woman
get pulled out
1973
01:45:16,174 --> 01:45:17,742
from the underground manhole.
1974
01:45:28,797 --> 01:45:31,059
Announcer:
It's only a movie,
1975
01:45:31,059 --> 01:45:33,061
but it's more than enough.
1976
01:45:36,152 --> 01:45:39,111
"Terror in the Aisles"
is a great compilation film
1977
01:45:39,111 --> 01:45:41,461
and it really does explore
the thoughts,
1978
01:45:41,461 --> 01:45:44,594
the feelings,
the how and the why of it all.
1979
01:45:44,594 --> 01:45:47,292
Say, how'd they do that?
1980
01:45:47,292 --> 01:45:48,947
That's the trick, isn't it?
1981
01:45:48,947 --> 01:45:51,254
Once the lights go down.
1982
01:45:52,821 --> 01:45:55,301
You're only watching clips
of these movies,
1983
01:45:55,301 --> 01:46:00,524
but somehow, all put
together like that,
1984
01:46:00,524 --> 01:46:02,961
it was absolutely terrifying.
1985
01:46:02,961 --> 01:46:05,746
And unfortunately,
in these movies,
1986
01:46:05,746 --> 01:46:08,357
the victim is almost
always a woman.
1987
01:46:08,357 --> 01:46:11,229
And I watched it on a VHS,
and I remember having to stop it
1988
01:46:11,229 --> 01:46:15,190
because I was getting
so rattled by it.
1989
01:46:15,190 --> 01:46:16,235
Get him!
1990
01:46:18,367 --> 01:46:20,717
It certainly packs
a very different punch.
1991
01:46:20,717 --> 01:46:23,895
It's -- it's pretty frightening.
1992
01:46:23,895 --> 01:46:26,158
Why make up horrible things
1993
01:46:26,158 --> 01:46:30,467
when there is so much...
real terror?
1994
01:46:30,467 --> 01:46:33,687
We can enjoy the jeopardy,
we can have a good scream,
1995
01:46:33,687 --> 01:46:35,515
a good laugh,
and laugh at ourselves
1996
01:46:35,515 --> 01:46:38,214
for having been tricked
the way we have.
1997
01:46:38,214 --> 01:46:40,564
It's just fun.
You know, it's just a fun thing.
1998
01:46:40,564 --> 01:46:45,786
And you're sitting in a theater,
which is...relatively safe.
1999
01:46:45,786 --> 01:46:47,266
There are two reasons
that I wanted to do
2000
01:46:47,266 --> 01:46:49,050
"Terror in the Aisles."
2001
01:46:49,050 --> 01:46:51,008
I love the idea of it,
I love those movies, you know,
2002
01:46:51,008 --> 01:46:53,837
and I think those genres
are really great and...
2003
01:46:53,837 --> 01:46:55,839
but I also wanted to meet
Donald Pleasence,
2004
01:46:55,839 --> 01:46:57,537
who I was a great fan of,
2005
01:46:57,537 --> 01:46:59,322
and I didn't get to meet him,
so I was devastated.
2006
01:46:59,322 --> 01:47:01,890
That was shocking...
2007
01:47:01,890 --> 01:47:03,587
wasn't it?
2008
01:47:10,332 --> 01:47:12,638
Announcer: You've made it
through Halloween.
2009
01:47:12,638 --> 01:47:15,729
Now try and survive Christmas.
2010
01:47:15,729 --> 01:47:19,254
"Silent Night, Deadly Night"
is about Catholic guilt,
2011
01:47:19,254 --> 01:47:20,517
I think.
2012
01:47:24,259 --> 01:47:27,132
I didn't really even know the
controversy until years later,
2013
01:47:27,132 --> 01:47:30,570
when it came to pass that, like,
this was the harsh, black mark
2014
01:47:30,570 --> 01:47:32,616
on Christmas of '84.
2015
01:47:32,616 --> 01:47:37,229
There was a big hue and cry
about turning Santa Claus
2016
01:47:37,229 --> 01:47:39,144
into a serial killer.
2017
01:47:42,104 --> 01:47:45,671
This scared people
and made it want to be banned.
2018
01:47:45,671 --> 01:47:49,415
Punishment
is necessary, Pamela.
2019
01:47:49,415 --> 01:47:51,461
It is...No!
2020
01:47:51,461 --> 01:47:53,376
...good!
2021
01:47:53,376 --> 01:47:55,420
"Silent Night, Deadly Night"
tells the story of Billy,
2022
01:47:55,420 --> 01:47:57,553
who, as a child,
2023
01:47:57,553 --> 01:48:00,121
witnesses his family
get murdered
2024
01:48:00,121 --> 01:48:03,342
by someone dressed
as Santa Claus.
2025
01:48:03,342 --> 01:48:07,258
Flash-forward to when Billy
becomes 18,
2026
01:48:07,258 --> 01:48:11,132
and he is now
a strapping young lad.
2027
01:48:11,132 --> 01:48:15,006
Merry Christmas, everyone,
ho ho ho!
2028
01:48:15,006 --> 01:48:16,746
Merry Christmas.
2029
01:48:16,746 --> 01:48:18,400
One thing leads to another,
2030
01:48:18,400 --> 01:48:20,489
and Billy is completely
triggered
2031
01:48:20,489 --> 01:48:24,624
and goes on a massive
killing spree dressed as Santa.
2032
01:48:32,370 --> 01:48:34,416
The trigger,
when that happens,
2033
01:48:34,416 --> 01:48:37,375
you can totally understand it.
2034
01:48:37,375 --> 01:48:40,030
There's a death
involving antlers on a wall,
2035
01:48:40,030 --> 01:48:41,424
which is -- which is great.
2036
01:48:41,424 --> 01:48:42,728
Punish!
No!
2037
01:48:45,254 --> 01:48:47,342
Quigley:
He impales me on antlers,
2038
01:48:47,342 --> 01:48:49,605
so never answer the door
to strangers.
2039
01:48:49,605 --> 01:48:51,912
Punish!
Aah!
2040
01:48:51,912 --> 01:48:54,001
I had a talk with the director.
2041
01:48:54,001 --> 01:48:55,264
I said,
"She wouldn't be topless.
2042
01:48:55,264 --> 01:48:57,788
A woman would, you know,
put on a top,
2043
01:48:57,788 --> 01:49:00,095
maybe not her bottoms
to go upstairs.
2044
01:49:00,095 --> 01:49:01,747
That's just what
a woman would do."
2045
01:49:01,747 --> 01:49:04,838
And he's like, "Well, we have
to have you topless,
2046
01:49:04,838 --> 01:49:06,797
because the antlers
are gonna come out."
2047
01:49:06,797 --> 01:49:09,582
I think there was
another reason behind it.
2048
01:49:09,582 --> 01:49:11,715
I had to be lifted up
a billion times
2049
01:49:11,715 --> 01:49:13,978
to get on the antlers
by a stunt man.
2050
01:49:13,978 --> 01:49:17,285
I don't know how he did it,
but he's like
2051
01:49:17,285 --> 01:49:20,288
again and again
and having blood capsules
2052
01:49:20,288 --> 01:49:22,986
come out my mouth
and doing it at the right time.
2053
01:49:22,986 --> 01:49:25,119
It was -- it was an ordeal.
2054
01:49:29,036 --> 01:49:32,605
It's crazy how two-dimensional
most of these movies are,
2055
01:49:32,605 --> 01:49:34,041
and yet you have a movie
2056
01:49:34,041 --> 01:49:35,521
like "Silent Night,
Deadly Night,"
2057
01:49:35,521 --> 01:49:38,697
that gives character
development and depth
2058
01:49:38,697 --> 01:49:42,789
and reasons why this guy
is wreaking havoc on people.
2059
01:49:42,789 --> 01:49:45,922
And yet people wanted
to shut this down.
2060
01:49:45,922 --> 01:49:47,837
I was like, "Are you kidding?"
2061
01:49:47,837 --> 01:49:51,711
Quigley: I'm so glad that
the mothers wanted it banned,
2062
01:49:51,711 --> 01:49:53,975
because it made a lot of money
2063
01:49:53,975 --> 01:49:55,627
and it got a lot of attention
because of that.
2064
01:50:07,900 --> 01:50:10,817
Announcer:
Dangerous or dead.
2065
01:50:12,035 --> 01:50:13,559
"Razorback."
2066
01:50:15,561 --> 01:50:18,650
"Razorback" is a beautiful film,
2067
01:50:18,650 --> 01:50:20,523
and I don't throw
that term around lightly.
2068
01:50:20,523 --> 01:50:23,873
I mean, it is an absolutely
gorgeous film.
2069
01:50:23,873 --> 01:50:25,570
It's directed
by Russell Mulcahy,
2070
01:50:25,570 --> 01:50:27,399
who is an Australian director
2071
01:50:27,399 --> 01:50:31,185
who shortly after this, would go
off to direct "Highlander."
2072
01:50:31,185 --> 01:50:32,535
It's one of the best
2073
01:50:32,535 --> 01:50:35,232
of the "nature run amok"
subgenre horror.
2074
01:50:35,232 --> 01:50:38,714
It's a movie about a giant boar,
2075
01:50:38,714 --> 01:50:41,021
a boar that is
three times larger
2076
01:50:41,021 --> 01:50:45,068
than any of the boars
that anyone there has ever seen.
2077
01:50:45,068 --> 01:50:49,333
As you know, everything in
Australia wants to kill you.
2078
01:50:49,333 --> 01:50:51,727
So this is the perfect
setting for that.
2079
01:50:51,727 --> 01:50:54,425
It starts off with
this giant boar
2080
01:50:54,425 --> 01:50:57,515
that rips through a house
and kills a child,
2081
01:50:57,515 --> 01:50:59,691
while his grandfather's
watching it.
2082
01:51:02,129 --> 01:51:03,739
Oh, God, Scotty!
2083
01:51:06,785 --> 01:51:08,483
Everyone in the town
2084
01:51:08,483 --> 01:51:11,790
thinks that the grandfather
has killed this kid.
2085
01:51:11,790 --> 01:51:17,101
So he's spending the rest of
his life hunting this razorback.
2086
01:51:22,758 --> 01:51:24,413
Aaah!
2087
01:51:24,413 --> 01:51:26,806
The movie shifts because
you initially think
2088
01:51:26,806 --> 01:51:28,634
it's gonna be
about the grandfather,
2089
01:51:28,634 --> 01:51:32,115
then you think it's gonna
be about the woman
2090
01:51:32,115 --> 01:51:34,204
who is the reporter
who's going to Australia
2091
01:51:34,204 --> 01:51:35,815
to investigate this.
2092
01:51:35,815 --> 01:51:38,861
But then she ends up
getting killed by the razorback.
2093
01:51:42,779 --> 01:51:45,738
And then her husband flies
out to Australia
2094
01:51:45,738 --> 01:51:48,262
to find out
what happened to his wife.
2095
01:51:48,262 --> 01:51:52,962
So the movie then shifts again,
to be about the husband.
2096
01:51:52,962 --> 01:51:56,096
The giant razorback
is incredible.
2097
01:51:56,096 --> 01:51:58,707
You don't see it very much,
but you see it enough,
2098
01:51:58,707 --> 01:52:01,013
and it's terrifying.
2099
01:52:01,013 --> 01:52:03,233
It is still legitimately scary.
2100
01:52:08,412 --> 01:52:11,242
The color palette that they use
is just gorgeous.
2101
01:52:11,242 --> 01:52:14,375
It is not something you would
expect to see
2102
01:52:14,375 --> 01:52:15,986
in a movie called "Razorback."
2103
01:52:15,986 --> 01:52:18,249
You're expecting blood and guts
and violence.
2104
01:52:18,249 --> 01:52:19,989
You wouldn't really expect
to see
2105
01:52:19,989 --> 01:52:21,556
this stunningly beautiful film.
2106
01:52:24,602 --> 01:52:28,041
It's okay, it's okay.
2107
01:52:32,829 --> 01:52:35,657
Well, the big rock star in terms
of makeup effects
2108
01:52:35,657 --> 01:52:38,616
in the '80s
was undeniably Tom Savini.
2109
01:52:38,616 --> 01:52:41,706
He kind of cornered the market
in gore for the early '80s
2110
01:52:41,706 --> 01:52:44,362
and did it better
than anybody else.
2111
01:52:44,362 --> 01:52:46,494
The '80s was
the splatter decade.
2112
01:52:46,494 --> 01:52:48,713
That was my decade, you know.
2113
01:52:48,713 --> 01:52:52,064
I was called the Sultan
of Splatter, the Wizard of Gore.
2114
01:52:52,064 --> 01:52:55,242
And it was the one-two punch
of "Dawn of the Dead"
2115
01:52:55,242 --> 01:52:58,463
and then "Friday the 13th"
that catapulted my career.
2116
01:52:58,463 --> 01:53:01,465
In fact, "Friday the 13th"
wouldn't exist
2117
01:53:01,465 --> 01:53:03,902
if George hadn't done
and hired me
2118
01:53:03,902 --> 01:53:06,253
for "Dawn of the Dead."
2119
01:53:06,253 --> 01:53:10,170
One movie after another
got me work with other directors
2120
01:53:10,170 --> 01:53:11,562
who saw those movies.
2121
01:53:11,562 --> 01:53:13,174
So Sean Cunningham saw "Dawn"
and said,
2122
01:53:13,174 --> 01:53:15,088
"We got to get this guy."
2123
01:53:15,088 --> 01:53:18,352
Tom Savini came to us and said,
"You know what I want to do?"
2124
01:53:18,352 --> 01:53:19,919
I said,
"What do you want to do?"
2125
01:53:19,919 --> 01:53:22,139
He said, "I want to cut
somebody's head off...
2126
01:53:22,139 --> 01:53:25,010
on screen.
It's never been done."
2127
01:53:25,010 --> 01:53:26,970
I said, "Really?"
2128
01:53:26,970 --> 01:53:29,014
He said, "No, it's never been
done, and it could be great."
2129
01:53:29,014 --> 01:53:30,494
I said,
"How are we gonna do it?"
2130
01:53:30,494 --> 01:53:32,409
He said, "Well, we have
to figure it out."
2131
01:53:34,672 --> 01:53:36,021
Aah!
2132
01:53:40,722 --> 01:53:45,335
I always feel that Tom Savini
is the godfather of all of this,
2133
01:53:45,335 --> 01:53:48,513
and in a lot of ways,
of sheer invention.
2134
01:53:48,513 --> 01:53:50,776
You know, the script says
this happens.
2135
01:53:55,084 --> 01:53:56,564
How the fuck does that happen?
2136
01:53:56,564 --> 01:53:58,653
When I was growing up trying
to learn makeup,
2137
01:53:58,653 --> 01:54:00,351
there was no place to learn.
2138
01:54:00,351 --> 01:54:01,656
Nobody wanted to share
their secrets.
2139
01:54:01,656 --> 01:54:04,615
Limitations make you
more creative.
2140
01:54:04,615 --> 01:54:08,010
Limitations -- not enough time,
not enough people,
2141
01:54:08,010 --> 01:54:10,404
not enough materials,
not enough money.
2142
01:54:10,404 --> 01:54:13,494
Now, Robo Chimp could, um...
2143
01:54:13,494 --> 01:54:15,104
you know,
he could open his mouth
2144
01:54:15,104 --> 01:54:17,019
and make his head move
left and right.
2145
01:54:17,019 --> 01:54:18,890
And then "Martin,"
there was a stake
2146
01:54:18,890 --> 01:54:21,416
that goes through
a guy's neck, you know?
2147
01:54:21,416 --> 01:54:24,070
So George said, "We're gonna go
to a slaughterhouse
2148
01:54:24,070 --> 01:54:27,638
and maybe get a lamb neck and
stick a stick in a lamb neck."
2149
01:54:27,638 --> 01:54:29,292
I said, "No, no,
2150
01:54:29,292 --> 01:54:31,686
you need to see the guy's face
when that happens."
2151
01:54:31,686 --> 01:54:33,384
"Well, how are you gonna
do that?"
2152
01:54:33,384 --> 01:54:35,647
"I don't know.
I'll figure it out, okay?"
2153
01:54:35,647 --> 01:54:38,475
And it wound up being exactly
how I killed Kevin Bacon
2154
01:54:38,475 --> 01:54:40,304
in "Friday the 13th."
2155
01:54:40,304 --> 01:54:42,262
In "Martin," the stake
went in the front.
2156
01:54:45,004 --> 01:54:47,789
In "Friday the 13th,"
I brought the arrow
2157
01:54:47,789 --> 01:54:50,922
from behind
the fake neck appliance.
2158
01:54:55,057 --> 01:54:57,320
But it's the same kind
of an appliance
2159
01:54:57,320 --> 01:55:00,062
that Kevin Bacon
stuck his head into,
2160
01:55:00,062 --> 01:55:02,586
that the guy in "Martin"
stuck his head into,
2161
01:55:02,586 --> 01:55:04,458
that Ned Eisenberg,
in "The Burning,"
2162
01:55:04,458 --> 01:55:06,024
stuck his head into.
2163
01:55:06,024 --> 01:55:09,680
I did that effect
over and over again.
2164
01:55:09,680 --> 01:55:12,857
Usually if there's
a rubber weapon involved,
2165
01:55:12,857 --> 01:55:15,120
we try to establish
the real weapon,
2166
01:55:15,120 --> 01:55:17,993
taking a chunk out of the wall
or in "Friday the 13th,"
2167
01:55:17,993 --> 01:55:19,821
the hatchet
taking out the light bulb
2168
01:55:19,821 --> 01:55:22,302
before the rubber axe
goes into the girl's head.
2169
01:55:26,175 --> 01:55:29,004
So in your mind,
there's no separation.
2170
01:55:29,004 --> 01:55:31,441
My books are called
"Grand Illusions."
2171
01:55:31,441 --> 01:55:33,878
My books about special
makeup effects,
2172
01:55:33,878 --> 01:55:36,490
because that's how I think
of them, as magic tricks.
2173
01:55:36,490 --> 01:55:40,232
Because it may surprise
you to hear from me
2174
01:55:40,232 --> 01:55:43,366
that I believe
the less you show,
2175
01:55:43,366 --> 01:55:46,369
the more effective stuff is,
you know.
2176
01:55:46,369 --> 01:55:47,675
I'm the guy
that showed everything.
2177
01:55:49,720 --> 01:55:51,722
But on "Creepshow,"
I had never done anything
2178
01:55:51,722 --> 01:55:56,466
like Fluffy before,
an animatronic creature/monster.
2179
01:55:56,466 --> 01:55:58,990
So I called Rob Bottin,
and he taught me
2180
01:55:58,990 --> 01:56:00,906
how to do it over the phone.
2181
01:56:04,561 --> 01:56:07,303
"Creepshow" was five movies,
you know,
2182
01:56:07,303 --> 01:56:10,567
with monsters and Nate's corpse,
which to me was --
2183
01:56:10,567 --> 01:56:12,961
was an exciting thing to do.
2184
01:56:14,049 --> 01:56:16,312
I want my cake.
2185
01:56:17,922 --> 01:56:20,708
The first thing you see is
Raul's corpse,
2186
01:56:20,708 --> 01:56:22,884
the thing in the window,
you know,
2187
01:56:22,884 --> 01:56:26,889
so it was a real skeleton
that I animated with all these,
2188
01:56:26,889 --> 01:56:30,239
you know, he could smile,
his fingers could do this.
2189
01:56:30,239 --> 01:56:33,547
He did a bunch of stuff.
2190
01:56:33,547 --> 01:56:36,637
I did not turn Stephen King
into the plant,
2191
01:56:36,637 --> 01:56:39,161
but I did blow the top
of his head off.
2192
01:56:41,903 --> 01:56:44,340
I was up in the ceiling
pulling stuff out of him
2193
01:56:44,340 --> 01:56:45,602
while hitting blood explosions.
2194
01:56:45,602 --> 01:56:47,778
It was pretty complicated stuff.
2195
01:56:47,778 --> 01:56:51,216
And the cockroaches --
Oh, my God, the cockroaches.
2196
01:56:51,216 --> 01:56:55,046
I was never in the same room
with those cockroaches.
2197
01:56:55,046 --> 01:56:56,787
I would be outside
a sealed room,
2198
01:56:56,787 --> 01:56:58,441
looking through glass.
2199
01:56:58,441 --> 01:57:00,225
"Okay, cue the blood,"
you know?
2200
01:57:00,225 --> 01:57:01,836
Alright, pump the roaches."
2201
01:57:01,836 --> 01:57:03,794
Because there were
two entomologists
2202
01:57:03,794 --> 01:57:06,797
with huge syringes
full with roaches.
2203
01:57:06,797 --> 01:57:08,320
We pumped blood on them
2204
01:57:08,320 --> 01:57:10,105
so they would leave
little bloody footprints.
2205
01:57:10,105 --> 01:57:11,976
Man: Mr. Pratt!
2206
01:57:11,976 --> 01:57:14,805
"Creepshow" was my opportunity
2207
01:57:14,805 --> 01:57:17,025
to create monsters
and characters,
2208
01:57:17,025 --> 01:57:20,463
you know, not just cutting
throats and blowing heads off.
2209
01:57:22,334 --> 01:57:25,294
"Texas Chainsaw Massacre
2" was another --
2210
01:57:25,294 --> 01:57:26,730
an opportunity like that,
2211
01:57:26,730 --> 01:57:28,732
you know, creating
the old-age makeup.
2212
01:57:32,955 --> 01:57:36,871
"Xiao Sheng Pa Pa" is a horror
movie I did in Hong Kong,
2213
01:57:36,871 --> 01:57:39,177
a horror-comedy movie
I did in Hong Kong.
2214
01:57:39,177 --> 01:57:41,310
And all I did was use stuff
from,
2215
01:57:41,310 --> 01:57:43,181
well, some stuff
from "Creepshow."
2216
01:57:43,181 --> 01:57:44,966
Raul, he's in the movie.
2217
01:57:44,966 --> 01:57:46,968
He's just a ghost apparition
at the window.
2218
01:57:50,841 --> 01:57:53,322
But I had to build lots
of monsters and things.
2219
01:57:55,672 --> 01:57:57,065
And the two leads,
they were like
2220
01:57:57,065 --> 01:57:59,371
the Abbott and Costello
of Hong Kong.
2221
01:57:59,371 --> 01:58:01,199
I didn't understand a word
of what was going on.
2222
01:58:01,199 --> 01:58:03,854
But, you know, but I built
some elaborate effects
2223
01:58:03,854 --> 01:58:05,595
for that movie.
2224
01:58:05,595 --> 01:58:07,641
Listen, don't talk to me
about interpreters.
2225
01:58:07,641 --> 01:58:10,557
We sent him out for Super Glue,
2226
01:58:10,557 --> 01:58:14,082
and he came back with a case
of condoms, you know.
2227
01:58:14,082 --> 01:58:15,997
And he's the interpreter, okay?
2228
01:58:15,997 --> 01:58:18,521
Williams: I met Tom.
2229
01:58:18,521 --> 01:58:22,394
He opened up the dictionary
of forensic pathology.
2230
01:58:22,394 --> 01:58:25,920
And I saw genuine photos
of murder victims,
2231
01:58:25,920 --> 01:58:29,967
drowning victims,
accident victims, you name it,
2232
01:58:29,967 --> 01:58:33,101
every variety of death
that the human body can endure
2233
01:58:33,101 --> 01:58:34,450
was in those pages.
2234
01:58:34,450 --> 01:58:36,060
And then I went through his lab,
2235
01:58:36,060 --> 01:58:38,410
and I looked at
what people were creating.
2236
01:58:38,410 --> 01:58:41,326
The reality of it
was extraordinary.
2237
01:58:41,326 --> 01:58:44,416
I'm the only makeup artist
that has seen the real stuff.
2238
01:58:44,416 --> 01:58:46,418
I was a combat photographer
in Vietnam.
2239
01:58:46,418 --> 01:58:48,943
I saw horrible stuff, okay?
2240
01:58:48,943 --> 01:58:52,250
You know, if you see a movie,
a guy's wearing a white shirt,
2241
01:58:52,250 --> 01:58:53,730
and there's blood on it,
2242
01:58:53,730 --> 01:58:56,037
and the blood looks like
strawberry Kool-Aid,
2243
01:58:56,037 --> 01:58:58,387
the makeup artist
didn't add green to the blood
2244
01:58:58,387 --> 01:59:00,215
because it's going
on something white.
2245
01:59:00,215 --> 01:59:01,825
You have to do that.
2246
01:59:01,825 --> 01:59:03,871
In fact, here's the formula --
2247
01:59:03,871 --> 01:59:06,569
a gallon of blood,
32 drops of green,
2248
01:59:06,569 --> 01:59:08,353
and that blood can go
on something light
2249
01:59:08,353 --> 01:59:10,921
and still look
deep red like blood.
2250
01:59:10,921 --> 01:59:13,924
A little helpful hint
for you here.
2251
01:59:13,924 --> 01:59:15,709
Everything that we do today,
2252
01:59:15,709 --> 01:59:17,580
as special makeup effect
artists,
2253
01:59:17,580 --> 01:59:19,321
was invented by Dick Smith.
2254
01:59:19,321 --> 01:59:22,063
We enhance it, elaborate,
make it better, you know,
2255
01:59:22,063 --> 01:59:25,893
but he invented all the stuff
that we -- that we do today.
2256
01:59:25,893 --> 01:59:27,634
If you've seen
"Dawn of the Dead,"
2257
01:59:27,634 --> 01:59:30,462
the blood is atrocious.
2258
01:59:30,462 --> 01:59:32,987
The blood looks like
melted crayons.
2259
01:59:32,987 --> 01:59:35,163
So on the way
to "Friday the 13th,"
2260
01:59:35,163 --> 01:59:38,862
driving to Connecticut,
we went to Dick Smith's house.
2261
01:59:38,862 --> 01:59:41,604
And he gave us the blood
formula, his blood formula,
2262
01:59:41,604 --> 01:59:43,954
which is theblood formula.
2263
01:59:43,954 --> 01:59:46,478
The blood in "Friday the 13th"
is the first time
2264
01:59:46,478 --> 01:59:49,438
the blood looked real to me.
2265
01:59:49,438 --> 01:59:51,745
I wish I had my school
growing up,
2266
01:59:51,745 --> 01:59:54,661
where you could go and learn
all this stuff, you know.
2267
01:59:54,661 --> 01:59:58,316
It's important
for film students, let's say,
2268
01:59:58,316 --> 02:00:01,493
to study films from the past.
2269
02:00:01,493 --> 02:00:03,278
If you're surrounded by people,
2270
02:00:03,278 --> 02:00:07,499
like I am with students
coming into my school,
2271
02:00:07,499 --> 02:00:10,241
and they don't know
who Boris Karloff is,
2272
02:00:10,241 --> 02:00:12,679
you're deprived.
2273
02:00:12,679 --> 02:00:14,855
I mean, if you're gonna be
a makeup artist, you know,
2274
02:00:14,855 --> 02:00:18,162
do some research on some of the
greatest monsters or creatures
2275
02:00:18,162 --> 02:00:20,817
or makeups that were
ever created, you know.
2276
02:00:20,817 --> 02:00:24,734
The first sentence in my book
on makeup effects is,
2277
02:00:24,734 --> 02:00:26,649
"The more you do,
the more you get to do."
2278
02:00:26,649 --> 02:00:29,521
That's the thrill of creativity,
2279
02:00:29,521 --> 02:00:33,438
that idea of taking a blob
of clay or taking a blank page,
2280
02:00:33,438 --> 02:00:36,093
you're giving life to something
that never existed
2281
02:00:36,093 --> 02:00:39,748
and that -- that's thrilling.
2282
02:00:53,197 --> 02:00:55,025
Announcer: "Ghoulies"
2283
02:00:55,025 --> 02:00:57,898
They'll get you in the end!
2284
02:00:57,898 --> 02:00:59,203
"Ghoulies."
2285
02:00:59,203 --> 02:01:01,292
Well, first there was
"Gremlins,"
2286
02:01:01,292 --> 02:01:03,120
then there was "Ghoulies."
2287
02:01:03,120 --> 02:01:06,254
And then there was "Munchies,"
and then there was "Hobgoblins."
2288
02:01:07,864 --> 02:01:09,823
When you have a picture
that's successful,
2289
02:01:09,823 --> 02:01:12,912
people might want to immediately
rush out an imitation.
2290
02:01:12,912 --> 02:01:16,090
The fact that the ad has the
ghoulie coming out of a toilet,
2291
02:01:16,090 --> 02:01:20,834
I think probably expresses my
feelings about the whole series.
2292
02:01:20,834 --> 02:01:22,879
I did enjoy the "Ghoulies"
movies.
2293
02:01:22,879 --> 02:01:25,621
In fact, I did one of them,
"Ghoulies Go to College."
2294
02:01:25,621 --> 02:01:27,710
I'm hungry again.
2295
02:01:27,710 --> 02:01:30,060
I was stunt coordinator on it
2296
02:01:30,060 --> 02:01:34,761
and played the character falling
in a mop bucket, ass first.
2297
02:01:34,761 --> 02:01:36,850
Get out of the way!
2298
02:01:36,850 --> 02:01:38,721
Whoa!
2299
02:01:38,721 --> 02:01:41,331
Ohhh!
2300
02:01:41,331 --> 02:01:43,421
The greatest thing about
"Ghoulies" is something
2301
02:01:43,421 --> 02:01:45,859
that almost didn't make it
into the movie.
2302
02:01:45,859 --> 02:01:48,382
They watched it and said,
"Where's the scene
2303
02:01:48,382 --> 02:01:50,124
with the Ghoulie
coming out of the toilet?"
2304
02:01:50,124 --> 02:01:51,995
They said, "Well, we just did
that for the poster."
2305
02:01:51,995 --> 02:01:54,955
"No, you need to put this scene
in the movie."
2306
02:01:54,955 --> 02:01:56,739
So they went back
and reshot the scene,
2307
02:01:56,739 --> 02:01:58,436
the Ghoulie coming out
of the toilet.
2308
02:01:58,436 --> 02:02:01,657
And whenever somebody says
Ghoulies, they always love that.
2309
02:02:03,833 --> 02:02:06,314
And, of course, that ties in
with the tagline.
2310
02:02:06,314 --> 02:02:09,404
Ghoulies.
They'll get you in the end!
2311
02:02:09,404 --> 02:02:11,232
Literally.
2312
02:02:11,232 --> 02:02:14,017
So if I had to give my blessing
to any of the rip-offs,
2313
02:02:14,017 --> 02:02:16,541
I would definitely choose
the "Critters" series.
2314
02:02:16,541 --> 02:02:19,501
However, I feel remiss in
criticizing anybody's rip-offs
2315
02:02:19,501 --> 02:02:21,198
when my first picture
was "Piranha,"
2316
02:02:21,198 --> 02:02:22,504
which is a rip-off of "Jaws."
2317
02:02:22,504 --> 02:02:25,507
You know
so I'm not -
2318
02:02:25,507 --> 02:02:27,901
just, you know,
walk around and tinkle a bell
2319
02:02:27,901 --> 02:02:29,641
and yell "unclean"
and all of that.
2320
02:02:35,603 --> 02:02:37,910
Go back home!
2321
02:02:41,741 --> 02:02:46,310
During the heyday of
the video boom, early '80s,
2322
02:02:46,310 --> 02:02:48,878
there were so many videos
on the shelves
2323
02:02:48,878 --> 02:02:52,708
that you had to do something
to grab people's attention.
2324
02:02:52,708 --> 02:02:54,928
I used to love all those painted
covers, you know,
2325
02:02:54,928 --> 02:02:57,539
like "Cannibal Holocaust,"
"Cannibal Ferox."
2326
02:02:57,539 --> 02:03:00,368
As the years went on,
they became more and more lurid
2327
02:03:00,368 --> 02:03:04,589
because they had to compete
and threw was so much in there.
2328
02:03:04,589 --> 02:03:06,026
"Cannibal Holocaust"
is interesting
2329
02:03:06,026 --> 02:03:08,071
because it is the first
2330
02:03:08,071 --> 02:03:10,726
in a whole kind of wave
of found-footage movies,
2331
02:03:10,726 --> 02:03:12,554
where you didn't know
if it was real or not.
2332
02:03:12,554 --> 02:03:15,383
Of course, by the time I saw it,
you knew that it wasn't real.
2333
02:03:20,257 --> 02:03:22,085
Much like
"The Blair Witch Project"
2334
02:03:22,085 --> 02:03:24,740
when it first came out,
people weren't sure.
2335
02:03:24,740 --> 02:03:27,481
Deodato even was brought up
in criminal charges
2336
02:03:27,481 --> 02:03:29,353
of filming actual murders.
2337
02:03:33,401 --> 02:03:35,533
There's phases that take
place in -- in horror movies,
2338
02:03:35,533 --> 02:03:40,103
the found footage,
Amazon jungle, torture porn,
2339
02:03:40,103 --> 02:03:42,104
"Cannibal Holocaust"
and "Cannibal Ferox."
2340
02:03:42,104 --> 02:03:44,193
For a time, I thought
they were the same movie
2341
02:03:44,193 --> 02:03:46,327
with different titles.
2342
02:03:46,327 --> 02:03:47,676
One would kind of look
like the other,
2343
02:03:47,676 --> 02:03:50,592
which would look like the other.
2344
02:03:50,592 --> 02:03:52,899
"Cannibal Holocaust" has
a couple scenes in it
2345
02:03:52,899 --> 02:03:54,204
that you just don't forget,
2346
02:03:54,204 --> 02:03:55,857
the guy getting his cock
chopped off.
2347
02:03:58,642 --> 02:04:00,297
Don't ever go to
the Amazon jungle
2348
02:04:00,297 --> 02:04:02,256
and that way you won't get
your cock chopped off
2349
02:04:02,256 --> 02:04:05,606
by a bunch
of Cannibal Holocaust feroxes.
2350
02:04:05,606 --> 02:04:09,176
The real issue that everybody
talks about, though,
2351
02:04:09,176 --> 02:04:10,655
with "Cannibal Holocaust"
2352
02:04:10,655 --> 02:04:12,613
is not the apparent
deaths of the people.
2353
02:04:12,613 --> 02:04:15,965
It's the deaths of the animals
on screen,
2354
02:04:15,965 --> 02:04:18,228
and that's hard to watch
because that's real.
2355
02:04:18,228 --> 02:04:21,970
Big sea turtle getting
cut up for dinner.
2356
02:04:21,970 --> 02:04:23,973
Fuck, really?!
2357
02:04:26,541 --> 02:04:29,805
So that, I think, is why
some people
2358
02:04:29,805 --> 02:04:33,156
thought that it could be real
because the animal deaths are.
2359
02:04:33,156 --> 02:04:35,637
You're watching literal
animal-snuff films.
2360
02:04:35,637 --> 02:04:38,292
The most popular nasty
of them all
2361
02:04:38,292 --> 02:04:41,076
is a piece of trash
called "Faces of Death,"
2362
02:04:41,076 --> 02:04:43,426
which purports to be
a professor's investigation
2363
02:04:43,426 --> 02:04:45,168
of death worldwide.
2364
02:04:45,168 --> 02:04:47,257
And his effort, he says,
is to gain knowledge
2365
02:04:47,257 --> 02:04:48,824
about the fragility of man.
2366
02:04:48,824 --> 02:04:50,477
Sure, and I'm the Easter Bunny.
2367
02:04:50,477 --> 02:04:51,783
"Faces of Death."
2368
02:04:51,783 --> 02:04:53,394
Somebody's brother's
sister's brother
2369
02:04:53,394 --> 02:04:57,614
had it on some kind of
fifth-, sixth-edition VHS,
2370
02:04:57,614 --> 02:05:02,838
and what it was, was apparent
real-life snuff films
2371
02:05:02,838 --> 02:05:05,493
put together
on this documentary.
2372
02:05:05,493 --> 02:05:07,974
And there was like
"Faces of Death 1"
2373
02:05:07,974 --> 02:05:10,063
through, you know, 27,
or something along those lines,
2374
02:05:10,063 --> 02:05:12,065
and you could never
really find it,
2375
02:05:12,065 --> 02:05:16,025
which made the legend of it
so much more mysterious.
2376
02:05:16,025 --> 02:05:17,374
Man: I find this to be
2377
02:05:17,374 --> 02:05:19,376
a particularly unusual
face of death.
2378
02:05:19,376 --> 02:05:21,116
And that's why you thought,
"Maybe this is real."
2379
02:05:21,116 --> 02:05:24,251
Until you actually saw one
and then you realize,
2380
02:05:24,251 --> 02:05:26,993
"This might not be
as real as you think."
2381
02:05:26,993 --> 02:05:31,388
The Satanic cult, you know,
sacrificing somebody.
2382
02:05:31,388 --> 02:05:33,085
Who's taping this?
Where's this from?
2383
02:05:33,085 --> 02:05:34,565
What's -- What is this?
2384
02:05:34,565 --> 02:05:35,871
Why is no one
getting arrested from this?
2385
02:05:35,871 --> 02:05:37,872
But what a strange phase
to go through,
2386
02:05:37,872 --> 02:05:39,614
a fake snuff-film phase.
2387
02:05:39,614 --> 02:05:41,268
Man:
His mutilated body represented
2388
02:05:41,268 --> 02:05:43,705
a violent retaliation
from a creature
2389
02:05:43,705 --> 02:05:46,447
which has suffered
continual abuse from mankind.
2390
02:05:46,447 --> 02:05:49,145
We were fucking weird
as teenagers, man.
2391
02:05:49,145 --> 02:05:50,799
Who would ever want
to watch that?
2392
02:05:59,328 --> 02:06:01,678
Announcer: "The Bride."
2393
02:06:01,678 --> 02:06:06,205
It was a love story
about two people
2394
02:06:06,205 --> 02:06:08,381
that were literally made
for each other,
2395
02:06:08,381 --> 02:06:11,123
but that were separated.
2396
02:06:11,123 --> 02:06:12,516
You fool!
2397
02:06:12,516 --> 02:06:14,040
Imbecile!
2398
02:06:14,040 --> 02:06:16,172
It was a lyrical,
beautiful script.
2399
02:06:16,172 --> 02:06:18,348
You're safe now.
2400
02:06:18,348 --> 02:06:20,306
Safe?
2401
02:06:20,306 --> 02:06:22,961
Frankenstein says that he wants
to create a woman
2402
02:06:22,961 --> 02:06:24,485
who is his equal,
2403
02:06:24,485 --> 02:06:26,574
and, of course,
doing exactly the opposite.
2404
02:06:26,574 --> 02:06:28,793
He's trying to make her
into the image
2405
02:06:28,793 --> 02:06:30,360
of a woman that he wants.
2406
02:06:30,360 --> 02:06:33,102
And Jennifer Beals,
she was the big get
2407
02:06:33,102 --> 02:06:35,104
because she had just come off
of "Flashdance."
2408
02:06:38,499 --> 02:06:40,675
Jennifer, I think,
is sublimely good.
2409
02:06:40,675 --> 02:06:43,417
I don't think anybody gives her
enough credit for the work
2410
02:06:43,417 --> 02:06:44,635
that she did in that movie.
2411
02:06:50,293 --> 02:06:54,863
She's looks magnificent
in the costumes and on the sets.
2412
02:06:54,863 --> 02:06:56,168
I thought she was terrific.
2413
02:06:56,168 --> 02:06:58,474
I thought Sting
was terrific, too.
2414
02:06:58,474 --> 02:07:01,217
There was me
and Rappaport, David.
2415
02:07:01,217 --> 02:07:02,739
We got to be
quite good friends.
2416
02:07:02,739 --> 02:07:04,351
Friend?
2417
02:07:04,351 --> 02:07:05,655
Yes.
2418
02:07:05,655 --> 02:07:06,831
Good health.
2419
02:07:06,831 --> 02:07:08,137
Good health.
2420
02:07:08,137 --> 02:07:09,964
Boy, playing the creature,
2421
02:07:09,964 --> 02:07:11,358
it's so rich.
2422
02:07:11,358 --> 02:07:14,013
Of course, the creature
in Shelley's book
2423
02:07:14,013 --> 02:07:17,058
is articulate
and sophisticated
2424
02:07:17,058 --> 02:07:21,671
and is the truth seeker and
the truth teller in the movie.
2425
02:07:23,891 --> 02:07:26,154
The popular iteration of it
of Karloff
2426
02:07:26,154 --> 02:07:29,376
and the subsequent
Karloff-esque versions
2427
02:07:29,376 --> 02:07:33,119
of that Universal creature
just make him a brute.
2428
02:07:36,208 --> 02:07:39,864
This was clearly
a romantic version of it.
2429
02:07:39,864 --> 02:07:41,344
He gets more and more handsome
2430
02:07:41,344 --> 02:07:44,565
as the
movie goes on,
2431
02:07:44,565 --> 02:07:46,610
which just meant that
the prosthetics got more
2432
02:07:46,610 --> 02:07:48,395
and more handsome.
They did, you know...
2433
02:07:51,572 --> 02:07:55,532
If the script had a flaw,
it's that the two main stars
2434
02:07:55,532 --> 02:07:58,013
had to carry the portion
of the film
2435
02:07:58,013 --> 02:08:00,450
that was the darkest
and the coldest.
2436
02:08:00,450 --> 02:08:02,451
Where have you been
all day?
2437
02:08:02,451 --> 02:08:04,366
Riding.
2438
02:08:04,366 --> 02:08:07,327
The job that Sting and Jennifer
had to do
2439
02:08:07,327 --> 02:08:09,197
was to show
how things fall apart.
2440
02:08:09,197 --> 02:08:11,504
They weren't supposed to have
any chemistry.
2441
02:08:11,504 --> 02:08:13,375
Off screen, they actually
did have chemistry.
2442
02:08:13,375 --> 02:08:15,161
I mean, we're all kind of
liked each other.
2443
02:08:15,161 --> 02:08:17,119
On screen, they had to miss.
2444
02:08:17,119 --> 02:08:18,467
I made you out of ashes.
2445
02:08:18,467 --> 02:08:21,079
I can always reduce you
to ashes again.
2446
02:08:21,079 --> 02:08:22,559
You can do
what you like!
2447
02:08:22,559 --> 02:08:24,431
I think people miss the point
of that, yeah.
2448
02:08:24,431 --> 02:08:27,216
It's a hopeful message
of how we can, you know,
2449
02:08:27,216 --> 02:08:29,088
we can all get better
from our --
2450
02:08:29,088 --> 02:08:32,351
from even
the most miserable beginnings.
2451
02:08:32,351 --> 02:08:34,962
And we can all find true love.
2452
02:08:34,962 --> 02:08:37,007
That's not really the story.
2453
02:08:37,007 --> 02:08:39,749
It's not Mary Shelley's story,
but that's okay.
2454
02:08:45,408 --> 02:08:47,932
Announcer:
"Nightmare on Elm Street:
2455
02:08:47,932 --> 02:08:49,629
Part 2."
2456
02:08:49,629 --> 02:08:53,242
"Nightmare 1" was a huge,
huge, off-the-charts hit.
2457
02:08:53,242 --> 02:08:55,070
They couldn't believe it.
2458
02:08:55,070 --> 02:08:59,204
"Nightmare 2" -- it has some
of the most classic moments
2459
02:08:59,204 --> 02:09:01,903
of the franchise.
2460
02:09:01,903 --> 02:09:06,560
"Nightmare on Elm Street 2"
is about relationships,
2461
02:09:06,560 --> 02:09:12,000
perspectives, and stereotypes
that all get smashed
2462
02:09:12,000 --> 02:09:15,873
once Freddy Krueger
gets his claws in them.
2463
02:09:20,399 --> 02:09:25,535
What we did is utilize the truth
between Mark Patton,
2464
02:09:25,535 --> 02:09:29,277
Jesse Walsh,
and I, Robert Rusler,
2465
02:09:29,277 --> 02:09:33,674
Ron Grady,
and we utilized our own truths.
2466
02:09:33,674 --> 02:09:37,373
And we put it in
the circumstances of the film.
2467
02:09:37,373 --> 02:09:41,246
I didn't have a judgment
about sexuality.
2468
02:09:41,246 --> 02:09:44,511
And that's what I loved
about Grady and Jesse,
2469
02:09:44,511 --> 02:09:46,774
there was no ulterior
motive there.
2470
02:09:46,774 --> 02:09:49,951
There was a sexual tension
between them.
2471
02:09:49,951 --> 02:09:51,822
I don't know why you're wasting
your time with this guy,
2472
02:09:51,822 --> 02:09:54,869
he's a basket case.Shut up, Grady.
2473
02:09:54,869 --> 02:09:56,392
But it depends who's looking.
2474
02:09:56,392 --> 02:09:58,742
See you around, buddy.
2475
02:09:58,742 --> 02:10:01,049
We were playing with this idea
2476
02:10:01,049 --> 02:10:05,270
that Freddy was exploiting
the subconscious
2477
02:10:05,270 --> 02:10:06,880
of Mark's character, Jesse,
2478
02:10:06,880 --> 02:10:09,796
and was maybe opening
the closet door.
2479
02:10:14,757 --> 02:10:19,501
And we had beaucoup hints
of Freddy
2480
02:10:19,501 --> 02:10:22,679
manipulating
the boy's sexuality,
2481
02:10:22,679 --> 02:10:25,725
prompted both
by the original screenplay,
2482
02:10:25,725 --> 02:10:31,732
the staging, the casting,
and by sets, whole sequences.
2483
02:10:31,732 --> 02:10:34,387
No one said, "We're making
a gay horror film,"
2484
02:10:34,387 --> 02:10:36,432
but we were toying with that.
2485
02:10:36,432 --> 02:10:39,261
Not nailing it down rigidly
2486
02:10:39,261 --> 02:10:41,437
but certainly exploring it.
2487
02:10:45,745 --> 02:10:47,790
And I loved what was going on
with Freddy
2488
02:10:47,790 --> 02:10:49,444
being in the middle of it.
2489
02:10:49,444 --> 02:10:53,884
Divisive, calculating,
darker than any of the other
2490
02:10:53,884 --> 02:10:55,321
"Nightmare on Elm Street"
movies.
2491
02:11:02,240 --> 02:11:04,329
That scene comes up.
2492
02:11:04,329 --> 02:11:06,722
Krueger comes out
of Jesse's body...
2493
02:11:08,985 --> 02:11:10,249
Dad!
2494
02:11:10,249 --> 02:11:13,163
...and I'm yelling
for my dad.
2495
02:11:16,646 --> 02:11:19,475
Dad!
2496
02:11:19,475 --> 02:11:22,304
When I saw the movie
with my dad at the screening,
2497
02:11:22,304 --> 02:11:24,654
my dad was crying, you know.
2498
02:11:24,654 --> 02:11:26,874
And I looked back
in the audience,
2499
02:11:26,874 --> 02:11:29,006
and people were affected.
2500
02:11:29,006 --> 02:11:30,703
-Ron!
2501
02:11:36,709 --> 02:11:39,364
They did break one rule.
2502
02:11:39,364 --> 02:11:40,714
They took Freddy
out of the dream.
2503
02:11:45,762 --> 02:11:48,503
He's dead, he's burned alive.
2504
02:11:48,503 --> 02:11:50,810
He doesn't even show up
at the pool party.
2505
02:11:50,810 --> 02:11:52,508
Yet, there's some great stuff
at the pool party,
2506
02:11:52,508 --> 02:11:54,204
"You're all my children now."
2507
02:11:54,204 --> 02:11:57,687
You are all my children now.
2508
02:11:57,687 --> 02:11:59,515
You know,
"Help yourself, fucker."
2509
02:11:59,515 --> 02:12:01,561
Help yourself, fucker!
2510
02:12:04,215 --> 02:12:06,740
Aah!
2511
02:12:06,740 --> 02:12:09,133
And I love the idea
that it's the rich girl's party,
2512
02:12:09,133 --> 02:12:11,310
and Freddy ruins it
for all the rich kids.
2513
02:12:13,093 --> 02:12:14,834
Aah!
2514
02:12:14,834 --> 02:12:17,489
All they had to do --
just get a pickup shot
2515
02:12:17,489 --> 02:12:21,884
of Jesse or Jesse and Kim asleep
in the pool house taking a nap,
2516
02:12:21,884 --> 02:12:26,541
and then that whole party
crash by Freddy works.
2517
02:12:26,541 --> 02:12:28,283
Daddy can't help you now!
2518
02:12:28,283 --> 02:12:30,329
I mean, I remember asking Mark
2519
02:12:30,329 --> 02:12:32,983
in a sequence with Freddy
and Jesse,
2520
02:12:32,983 --> 02:12:35,290
if I could touch him
like I was gonna kiss him,
2521
02:12:35,290 --> 02:12:36,638
"Can I put a blade
in your mouth?
2522
02:12:36,638 --> 02:12:38,553
Or could I just
circle your mouth?
2523
02:12:38,553 --> 02:12:40,077
Can I caress your eyes?"
2524
02:12:40,077 --> 02:12:43,906
That's a real scary,
strange moment.
2525
02:12:43,906 --> 02:12:45,560
I said, "Mark, do you think
it should be sexual
2526
02:12:45,560 --> 02:12:47,258
or maybe the kiss of death?"
2527
02:12:47,258 --> 02:12:49,565
So I thought there
might be a great
2528
02:12:49,565 --> 02:12:52,262
male-on-male kiss there.
2529
02:12:52,262 --> 02:12:55,744
That could be erotic and
then -- and then death kiss.
2530
02:12:58,879 --> 02:13:02,098
Aaaahh!
2531
02:13:02,098 --> 02:13:04,666
There is a lot of people
that watch that movie,
2532
02:13:04,666 --> 02:13:07,016
and it made them
uncomfortable.
2533
02:13:07,016 --> 02:13:08,931
There were a lot of people
that watched that movie
2534
02:13:08,931 --> 02:13:10,630
and it empowered them.
2535
02:13:10,630 --> 02:13:13,414
There were a lot of people
that watched that movie,
2536
02:13:13,414 --> 02:13:17,113
and they made fun of
or judged or poked.
2537
02:13:17,113 --> 02:13:21,204
Most of the people
that judge and poke,
2538
02:13:21,204 --> 02:13:23,337
eh, what are you hiding,
you know what I mean?
2539
02:13:23,337 --> 02:13:25,644
People were talking about this
from the get-go,
2540
02:13:25,644 --> 02:13:29,692
and there was an increased
and an enhanced fan base
2541
02:13:29,692 --> 02:13:33,827
within the gay community,
because of this, immediately.
2542
02:13:33,827 --> 02:13:38,439
A lot of young gay men
were heavily, heavily influenced
2543
02:13:38,439 --> 02:13:43,619
by that movie, to be truthful
and honest with themselves
2544
02:13:43,619 --> 02:13:45,315
and -- and really flourish
2545
02:13:45,315 --> 02:13:48,581
into who they wanted
to be from the inside.
2546
02:13:48,581 --> 02:13:50,190
I-I think that's fantastic.
2547
02:13:50,190 --> 02:13:52,410
As far as Freddy goes,
2548
02:13:52,410 --> 02:13:56,152
and as far as the depth of truth
between characters,
2549
02:13:56,152 --> 02:13:58,112
nobody else touches
"Nightmare 2."
2550
02:13:58,112 --> 02:13:59,809
I'm very proud of that movie.
2551
02:13:59,809 --> 02:14:01,375
And when people go,
"Hey, what's it like to be
2552
02:14:01,375 --> 02:14:03,377
in the gayest horror movie
ever made?"
2553
02:14:03,377 --> 02:14:05,249
I go, "It was fucking awesome."
2554
02:14:05,249 --> 02:14:08,164
It's okay, it's all over.
2555
02:14:17,260 --> 02:14:20,176
Man: Spooky.
2556
02:14:21,440 --> 02:14:23,179
I was a big Wes Craven fan.
2557
02:14:23,179 --> 02:14:27,227
I was also a huge fan
of "The Hills Have Eyes."
2558
02:14:27,227 --> 02:14:28,751
That movie was freaky, man.
2559
02:14:30,012 --> 02:14:31,971
I'll come back
for you later, girlie.
2560
02:14:33,973 --> 02:14:39,631
Another example of a situation
that you could relate to
2561
02:14:39,631 --> 02:14:41,502
as, "This can really
happen to me."
2562
02:14:41,502 --> 02:14:43,896
It was sort of like,
"I take the wrong turn,
2563
02:14:43,896 --> 02:14:45,941
and I wind up in,
you know, Hell."
2564
02:14:53,035 --> 02:14:54,690
"Hills Have Eyes II"
is a weird one
2565
02:14:54,690 --> 02:14:56,212
because it comes
on the heels of Craven
2566
02:14:56,212 --> 02:14:58,432
having maybe the biggest
hit of his career
2567
02:14:58,432 --> 02:15:00,216
with "Nightmare on Elm Street."
2568
02:15:00,216 --> 02:15:03,045
And suddenly, he's kind of going
back to the bottom of the barrel
2569
02:15:03,045 --> 02:15:06,572
and delivering a sequel
to a movie
2570
02:15:06,572 --> 02:15:08,878
some eight years earlier.
2571
02:15:08,878 --> 02:15:10,792
There's a lot of flashbacks.
2572
02:15:10,792 --> 02:15:14,143
If you ever want to see a dog
have a flashback in a movie,
2573
02:15:14,143 --> 02:15:16,146
I can name one and it's
"Hills Have Eyes II."
2574
02:15:21,542 --> 02:15:23,066
In the first film,
2575
02:15:23,066 --> 02:15:25,547
this civilized, soft,
suburban family
2576
02:15:25,547 --> 02:15:27,506
finds itself in the wilderness,
2577
02:15:27,506 --> 02:15:29,724
facing off against
the sort of feral mutants,
2578
02:15:29,724 --> 02:15:31,334
I guess you would say.
2579
02:15:32,074 --> 02:15:33,685
Ohh!
2580
02:15:33,685 --> 02:15:36,209
And in the second one,
it's kind of the mutants
2581
02:15:36,209 --> 02:15:39,125
bringing the fight
to civilization a little bit
2582
02:15:39,125 --> 02:15:42,042
because one of their own
has dared to try to cross over.
2583
02:15:45,392 --> 02:15:46,916
Rusler: I love Michael Berryman,
you know,
2584
02:15:46,916 --> 02:15:50,353
working with him
in "Weird Science,"
2585
02:15:50,353 --> 02:15:55,097
he was such the antithesis of
what he comes off as on screen,
2586
02:15:55,097 --> 02:15:57,056
you know,
because he's always playing
2587
02:15:57,056 --> 02:16:00,494
these really freaky, creepy,
like super sadistic,
2588
02:16:00,494 --> 02:16:02,104
like, scary roles.
2589
02:16:02,104 --> 02:16:04,933
And in person,
he's a super pleasant,
2590
02:16:04,933 --> 02:16:07,894
super educated, sweet man.
2591
02:16:07,894 --> 02:16:11,810
Can we keep this
between us?
2592
02:16:11,810 --> 02:16:13,638
I'd hate to lose
my teaching job.
2593
02:16:13,638 --> 02:16:17,032
What resonates with me
about "Hills Have Eyes II"
2594
02:16:17,032 --> 02:16:19,382
compared to "Hills Have Eyes I"
2595
02:16:19,382 --> 02:16:22,777
was more the clarity
2596
02:16:22,777 --> 02:16:26,041
on what the fear was.
2597
02:16:26,041 --> 02:16:28,522
I want you to stay together
and stay alert.
2598
02:16:28,522 --> 02:16:30,437
This place
might look deserted,
2599
02:16:30,437 --> 02:16:32,439
but it's been used
for something
2600
02:16:32,439 --> 02:16:34,181
right up to the time
that we got here.
2601
02:16:34,181 --> 02:16:38,967
They got to expound upon
the characters, the situation.
2602
02:16:38,967 --> 02:16:41,796
What's at stake you know?
My life.
2603
02:16:41,796 --> 02:16:43,582
And what are the odds of me
making out of here?
2604
02:16:43,582 --> 02:16:44,799
You know, slim and none.
2605
02:16:47,802 --> 02:16:52,372
I think Wes Craven was very good
about capturing a perspective,
2606
02:16:52,372 --> 02:16:56,681
really taking you
to that world in the desert.
2607
02:16:56,681 --> 02:16:59,074
That's one of those movies,
like "Dawn of the Dead,"
2608
02:16:59,074 --> 02:17:03,252
where you come out hitting each
other, being super mischievous.
2609
02:17:03,252 --> 02:17:05,254
For some reason,
that's how some of those
2610
02:17:05,254 --> 02:17:06,516
horror movies affect me.
2611
02:17:10,825 --> 02:17:12,827
I want to get into trouble
after I see 'em.
2612
02:17:27,625 --> 02:17:29,714
Horror movies are
essentially absurd,
2613
02:17:29,714 --> 02:17:33,543
and the comedy just
it's already in there.
2614
02:17:37,156 --> 02:17:39,288
And if you don't find it,
someone else is gonna find it
2615
02:17:39,288 --> 02:17:40,768
because sometimes
some of the things
2616
02:17:40,768 --> 02:17:42,901
that are happening
are just preposterous.
2617
02:17:42,901 --> 02:17:44,773
Many of the pictures
in the '80s,
2618
02:17:44,773 --> 02:17:47,428
like "Return of the Living Dead"
and "The Stuff," are not afraid
2619
02:17:47,428 --> 02:17:49,211
to embrace the fact
that they're silly.
2620
02:17:49,211 --> 02:17:51,126
I mean, in fact,
I would almost think
2621
02:17:51,126 --> 02:17:55,217
that silly is kind of the --
the byword for horror comedies,
2622
02:17:55,217 --> 02:17:56,958
beginning with "Abbott and
Costello Meet Frankenstein,"
2623
02:17:56,958 --> 02:17:59,005
which is everybody's favorite,
because of the fact
2624
02:17:59,005 --> 02:18:01,093
that the horror-movie stuff
is played straight.
2625
02:18:01,093 --> 02:18:02,877
It just all meshes together
so perfectly,
2626
02:18:02,877 --> 02:18:04,444
and it looks terrific.
2627
02:18:04,444 --> 02:18:06,186
And it's, you know,
I think, the best movie
2628
02:18:06,186 --> 02:18:07,795
that Abbott and Costello
ever made.
2629
02:18:07,795 --> 02:18:09,188
And it's also the best
2630
02:18:09,188 --> 02:18:11,669
of the later
Universal horror pictures.
2631
02:18:11,669 --> 02:18:14,062
Open sesame!
2632
02:18:14,062 --> 02:18:16,804
In black and white,
the comedy was funnier.
2633
02:18:16,804 --> 02:18:19,241
In black and white,
the horror was scarier.
2634
02:18:26,379 --> 02:18:29,251
It's almost like horror
of the absurd.
2635
02:18:29,251 --> 02:18:34,909
Like, this is not even
in the realm of probable.
2636
02:18:34,909 --> 02:18:38,565
And so there's a great sort
of communal delight.
2637
02:18:38,565 --> 02:18:41,263
There's something
endearing about that.
2638
02:18:41,263 --> 02:18:43,657
Dante: "Re-Animator" is --
is a very funny movie.
2639
02:18:43,657 --> 02:18:44,876
It's also pretty gruesome.
2640
02:18:47,792 --> 02:18:49,228
It's in the mind
of the filmmaker.
2641
02:18:49,228 --> 02:18:51,796
You can't all be Takashi Miike
2642
02:18:51,796 --> 02:18:54,276
and have it be
unrelentingly grim.
2643
02:18:58,803 --> 02:19:02,589
There's got to be some moments
where the graph goes up and down
2644
02:19:02,589 --> 02:19:04,809
instead of just
all the way across.
2645
02:19:04,809 --> 02:19:07,508
In my movies, I've always
approached the horror aspects
2646
02:19:07,508 --> 02:19:10,336
along
with a sense of the absurd.
2647
02:19:13,948 --> 02:19:16,908
My mechanism of dealing with
fear is -- is -- is laughter,
2648
02:19:16,908 --> 02:19:18,648
especially in the movies,
you know,
2649
02:19:18,648 --> 02:19:21,608
because then you realize
that you're not in the movie.
2650
02:19:23,784 --> 02:19:25,220
Maroney:
They call it comic relief,
2651
02:19:25,220 --> 02:19:28,441
a little space to stand
still for a second
2652
02:19:28,441 --> 02:19:29,964
and catch your breath
before you kick --
2653
02:19:29,964 --> 02:19:31,574
before you get
chased around again,
2654
02:19:31,574 --> 02:19:32,924
or whatever it is.
2655
02:19:32,924 --> 02:19:34,273
You have to have that.
2656
02:19:34,273 --> 02:19:36,275
Otherwise,
it's just relentless,
2657
02:19:36,275 --> 02:19:38,886
and it becomes
unintentionally funny,
2658
02:19:38,886 --> 02:19:43,065
which you really don't want.
2659
02:19:43,065 --> 02:19:45,937
I couldn't think of a more
horrible job if I wanted to.
2660
02:19:45,937 --> 02:19:49,331
"The Texas Chainsaw Massacre"
has many comic elements in it,
2661
02:19:49,331 --> 02:19:52,726
but people don't think of it
as a comedy until much later.
2662
02:19:52,726 --> 02:19:54,641
And then they have to invent
fancy terms
2663
02:19:54,641 --> 02:19:56,512
like Gran Guignol
2664
02:19:56,512 --> 02:20:00,821
to describe what's going on
in "Texas Chainsaw Massacre."
2665
02:20:00,821 --> 02:20:04,825
Garris: "The Howling" is a
really powerful horror movie,
2666
02:20:04,825 --> 02:20:06,828
but it's funny as hell,
2667
02:20:06,828 --> 02:20:09,178
and "An American Werewolf
in London."
2668
02:20:09,178 --> 02:20:11,572
Both of them
take their horror seriously,
2669
02:20:11,572 --> 02:20:13,442
and they take the comedy
seriously.
2670
02:20:13,442 --> 02:20:17,229
And both of them are made by
filmmakers who've embraced both
2671
02:20:17,229 --> 02:20:19,971
and have made comedies
and have made horror movies.
2672
02:20:19,971 --> 02:20:22,277
They have such glee and relish.
2673
02:20:22,277 --> 02:20:24,889
A good horror movie
makes you feel really excited
2674
02:20:24,889 --> 02:20:26,760
and like you're having
a good time,
2675
02:20:26,760 --> 02:20:30,068
and certainly a good comedy,
you ride that wave of laughter.
2676
02:20:30,068 --> 02:20:32,940
And when you can melt them
together like John Landis
2677
02:20:32,940 --> 02:20:34,681
and Joe Dante can do...
2678
02:20:36,901 --> 02:20:38,163
Excuse me.
2679
02:20:38,163 --> 02:20:39,818
When it works,
it's really great,
2680
02:20:39,818 --> 02:20:42,168
and that's what I was hoping
for doing "Critters 2"
2681
02:20:42,168 --> 02:20:44,648
was that the comedy
would be funny
2682
02:20:44,648 --> 02:20:46,345
and the horror would be scary.
2683
02:20:47,955 --> 02:20:50,653
I love that -- when you have
a humorous movie
2684
02:20:50,653 --> 02:20:52,525
that also has scares,
2685
02:20:52,525 --> 02:20:57,182
because what it does for me
is takes the edge off.
2686
02:20:58,531 --> 02:20:59,880
It's even more of
a roller-coaster ride
2687
02:20:59,880 --> 02:21:02,535
than just scary,
scary, scary, scary,
2688
02:21:02,535 --> 02:21:05,320
aah, scary, scary,
aah, scary.
2689
02:21:05,320 --> 02:21:07,453
It's more like, "I'm totally
relaxed because I was laughing.
2690
02:21:07,453 --> 02:21:08,758
Oh, my God!"
2691
02:21:08,758 --> 02:21:10,760
Now this big thing happens.
You know?
2692
02:21:12,284 --> 02:21:14,634
Holy shit!
I don't believe it.
2693
02:21:14,634 --> 02:21:17,376
Some of the things I kind
of gravitate towards in horror
2694
02:21:17,376 --> 02:21:19,204
are the comedy horror.
2695
02:21:19,204 --> 02:21:21,467
Garbage day!
2696
02:21:21,467 --> 02:21:22,685
No!
2697
02:21:24,905 --> 02:21:26,733
I do love the wink of the eye.
2698
02:21:26,733 --> 02:21:29,779
Maybe because I hate
to be scared, actually.
2699
02:21:29,779 --> 02:21:32,347
I like to get a little bit
of a step backwards.
2700
02:21:35,481 --> 02:21:37,570
Can I have
a piece of toast?
2701
02:21:37,570 --> 02:21:40,834
There are a lot of really
successful horror films
2702
02:21:40,834 --> 02:21:43,576
with comedic elements
in the '80s.
2703
02:21:43,576 --> 02:21:46,144
but there are a lot of movies
that didn't get it right.
2704
02:21:46,144 --> 02:21:47,972
There was a short trend
of movies
2705
02:21:47,972 --> 02:21:50,496
that were overall comedies
but dealt with horror subjects.
2706
02:21:50,496 --> 02:21:53,803
You had "Teen Wolf"
and "Transylvania 6-5000"
2707
02:21:53,803 --> 02:21:55,414
and "Once Bitten."
2708
02:21:55,414 --> 02:21:58,025
Oh, shit!
2709
02:21:58,025 --> 02:21:59,592
It's a tough balance
to pull off,
2710
02:21:59,592 --> 02:22:02,421
but you really have to get
the tone just right
2711
02:22:02,421 --> 02:22:04,597
so that the comedy
doesn't really infringe
2712
02:22:04,597 --> 02:22:06,164
on the horror and vice versa.
2713
02:22:09,602 --> 02:22:12,605
Horror and comedy
can go hand in hand
2714
02:22:12,605 --> 02:22:14,912
or they can be
each other's worst enemy.
2715
02:22:14,912 --> 02:22:18,524
Most horror comedies
are neither scary nor funny.
2716
02:22:18,524 --> 02:22:19,829
But when it works together,
2717
02:22:19,829 --> 02:22:22,223
they both aim
for the same thing.
2718
02:22:22,223 --> 02:22:26,532
Horror and comedy both go
for a physical reaction,
2719
02:22:26,532 --> 02:22:29,535
a scream, a jump, tension
2720
02:22:29,535 --> 02:22:31,667
gripping the arms
of your seat for horror,
2721
02:22:31,667 --> 02:22:33,626
and comedy, the laughter.
2722
02:22:33,626 --> 02:22:36,759
If you go into a horror movie,
or a comedy,
2723
02:22:36,759 --> 02:22:38,544
and it's quiet
all the way through,
2724
02:22:38,544 --> 02:22:41,503
it ain't working.
2725
02:22:41,503 --> 02:22:43,244
Kong: A laugh is very difficult
to get.
2726
02:22:43,244 --> 02:22:44,593
How do you get the laugh?
2727
02:22:44,593 --> 02:22:46,987
You get the laugh
by surprising people.
2728
02:22:46,987 --> 02:22:49,685
If they can see the punch line
coming, you're sunk.
2729
02:22:54,952 --> 02:22:57,258
The key to making a great
horror comedy
2730
02:22:57,258 --> 02:23:01,001
is it's got to be 80% horror
and 20% comedy.
2731
02:23:01,001 --> 02:23:04,483
If you try to do 80% comedy
and 20% horror,
2732
02:23:04,483 --> 02:23:06,789
then what you're doing
is you're attempting
2733
02:23:06,789 --> 02:23:09,967
to make a cult film in advance
and that never works.
2734
02:23:09,967 --> 02:23:11,969
It always falls on its face.
2735
02:23:11,969 --> 02:23:14,536
Winter: Horror obviously
crosses genres anyway,
2736
02:23:14,536 --> 02:23:17,844
but I would argue that '80s
horror does that more than most.
2737
02:23:17,844 --> 02:23:19,802
It's like, you've got
Reese's Peanut Butter Cups.
2738
02:23:19,802 --> 02:23:21,630
It's gonna work great.
2739
02:23:21,630 --> 02:23:23,197
Hey!
Oh!
2740
02:23:23,197 --> 02:23:24,503
Hey, you got your chocolate
in my peanut butter.
2741
02:23:24,503 --> 02:23:25,983
You've got peanut butter
on my chocolate.
2742
02:23:25,983 --> 02:23:27,722
What?
What?
2743
02:23:27,722 --> 02:23:31,075
So the '80s, I would argue,
actually defined the --
2744
02:23:31,075 --> 02:23:35,601
and created this idea
of kind of multi-genre horror
2745
02:23:35,601 --> 02:23:38,560
that absolutely gets away
with high art and low art...
2746
02:23:40,693 --> 02:23:44,088
...make you laugh and --
and have visceral drama
2747
02:23:44,088 --> 02:23:46,394
and gross you out.
2748
02:23:46,394 --> 02:23:49,354
I said,
"Shut up, butthole!"
2749
02:23:49,354 --> 02:23:50,920
That is really, I'd say,
2750
02:23:50,920 --> 02:23:53,053
the definition of '80s horror
in a way, is --
2751
02:23:53,053 --> 02:23:55,795
is the people
who grew out of those eras
2752
02:23:55,795 --> 02:23:58,058
and are slamming
all of these genres together.
2753
02:24:03,281 --> 02:24:05,674
I never thought in
a million years
2754
02:24:05,674 --> 02:24:07,676
when I was growing up
in Davenport, lowa,
2755
02:24:07,676 --> 02:24:09,069
that I would be acting,
2756
02:24:09,069 --> 02:24:11,854
because I was probably
the shyest person
2757
02:24:11,854 --> 02:24:13,813
on the face of the Earth.
2758
02:24:13,813 --> 02:24:17,599
I remember my first role that
I got that was a speaking role,
2759
02:24:17,599 --> 02:24:21,125
even though it wasn't a lot
of speaking, was "Fairy Tales."
2760
02:24:21,125 --> 02:24:23,170
And that was with Charlie Band.
2761
02:24:23,170 --> 02:24:26,739
I was so proud, I remember
writing in my diary,
2762
02:24:26,739 --> 02:24:29,219
"I'm a big star."
2763
02:24:29,219 --> 02:24:32,266
I think I found my niche
in doing the ones
2764
02:24:32,266 --> 02:24:35,356
that were more independent,
I hate to say low budget.
2765
02:24:35,356 --> 02:24:38,925
What is this, midnight
wimp bowling league?
2766
02:24:38,925 --> 02:24:41,100
What are you,
the bride of Dracula?
2767
02:24:41,100 --> 02:24:44,278
I think there was a lot more
freedom in doing things then,
2768
02:24:44,278 --> 02:24:46,280
and I just liked it.
2769
02:24:46,280 --> 02:24:47,673
It was a lot more fun.
2770
02:24:49,501 --> 02:24:52,025
The first time I had to take off
my clothes,
2771
02:24:52,025 --> 02:24:55,376
which was in "Fairy Tales,"
I was terrified.
2772
02:24:55,376 --> 02:24:57,030
I was so scared.
2773
02:24:57,030 --> 02:25:01,426
I actually did push-ups
to get my adrenaline going
2774
02:25:01,426 --> 02:25:02,470
so I wouldn't think about it.
2775
02:25:06,126 --> 02:25:07,823
It was a formula.
2776
02:25:07,823 --> 02:25:13,699
Shower scene,
getting killed topless.
2777
02:25:13,699 --> 02:25:15,788
It became redundant.
2778
02:25:15,788 --> 02:25:17,137
I knew the formula.
2779
02:25:17,137 --> 02:25:19,183
I know they needed it
to sell the film.
2780
02:25:19,183 --> 02:25:23,970
I think if you feel comfortable
doing nudity, it's no big deal.
2781
02:25:23,970 --> 02:25:26,799
I made up in my mind,
"If I have to show my breasts,
2782
02:25:26,799 --> 02:25:27,930
I'm gonna get more money."
2783
02:25:27,930 --> 02:25:30,324
So I was the go-to girl.
2784
02:25:32,239 --> 02:25:36,809
The more you draw attention
to being naked, the worse it is.
2785
02:25:36,809 --> 02:25:40,682
If you just take it very
casually, people don't notice.
2786
02:25:40,682 --> 02:25:43,076
It's like when -- It's the
person that's like going,
2787
02:25:43,076 --> 02:25:45,774
"Oh, don't look.
Oh, you can't see me.
2788
02:25:45,774 --> 02:25:47,863
Oh, I'm so embarrassed"
that you want to look at.
2789
02:25:47,863 --> 02:25:50,779
So I would just be, like,
very casual about it
2790
02:25:50,779 --> 02:25:53,173
and people didn't make
a big deal.
2791
02:25:53,173 --> 02:25:55,784
You know, so it's like,
it's not a big thing.
2792
02:25:57,569 --> 02:26:01,616
"Savage Streets" is about
this badass Linda Blair going
2793
02:26:01,616 --> 02:26:04,184
and getting these guys
who raped me,
2794
02:26:04,184 --> 02:26:06,447
which was a hard scene to do.
2795
02:26:06,447 --> 02:26:09,798
The director wanted mucus
coming out my nose
2796
02:26:09,798 --> 02:26:11,148
and blood running down my leg.
2797
02:26:11,148 --> 02:26:13,323
I said, "I don't think
that's necessary.
2798
02:26:13,323 --> 02:26:18,633
I think it's pretty creepy the
way it is gonna be depicted."
2799
02:26:18,633 --> 02:26:23,421
I was so happy at that point
to be playing opposite
2800
02:26:23,421 --> 02:26:26,424
Linda Blair
and playing her sister.
2801
02:26:26,424 --> 02:26:28,034
And it was a different role
for me
2802
02:26:28,034 --> 02:26:30,428
because I was just so innocent.
2803
02:26:30,428 --> 02:26:32,342
You're real pretty.
You know that?
2804
02:26:34,605 --> 02:26:37,130
From "Savage Streets,"
I got both negative
2805
02:26:37,130 --> 02:26:39,305
and positive comments.
2806
02:26:39,305 --> 02:26:41,612
Like, the negative ones were,
2807
02:26:41,612 --> 02:26:43,354
"Oh, you didn't have
to remember any lines.
2808
02:26:43,354 --> 02:26:45,094
You didn't have any lines
in the movie."
2809
02:26:45,094 --> 02:26:46,574
But then I got the others
2810
02:26:46,574 --> 02:26:48,836
that are more into film
that would say,
2811
02:26:48,836 --> 02:26:52,885
"Wow, that must have been hard
not to say things and do things
2812
02:26:52,885 --> 02:26:55,887
and pretend
that you can't understand."
2813
02:26:55,887 --> 02:26:58,891
I remember on "Return
of the Living Dead,"
2814
02:26:58,891 --> 02:27:00,631
I don't usually say no,
2815
02:27:00,631 --> 02:27:03,461
but there were things
like shave my eyebrows off.
2816
02:27:03,461 --> 02:27:05,027
Well, everybody was like,
2817
02:27:05,027 --> 02:27:06,942
"Don't do it because
they might not grow back."
2818
02:27:06,942 --> 02:27:09,510
And I thought, "I don't want
to go without eyebrows."
2819
02:27:09,510 --> 02:27:11,817
And then they wanted me
to cut my hair.
2820
02:27:11,817 --> 02:27:14,254
I didn't do that,
so they had to get a wig.
2821
02:27:14,254 --> 02:27:18,606
But I did agree to dance nude
on a tombstone.
2822
02:27:18,606 --> 02:27:21,392
And talk about nude,
it was really nude.
2823
02:27:24,438 --> 02:27:26,875
Getting away from zombies,
I was terrified
2824
02:27:26,875 --> 02:27:30,009
because the zombies were extras.
2825
02:27:30,009 --> 02:27:31,619
And extras get very zealous
2826
02:27:31,619 --> 02:27:33,404
and they want to be seen
in the camera
2827
02:27:33,404 --> 02:27:35,667
and I'm like, "Oh, my God,
they're gonna really attack me."
2828
02:27:35,667 --> 02:27:39,932
I was --
I was actually very, like,
2829
02:27:39,932 --> 02:27:42,239
"Oh, no, what's gonna happen
when they yell 'action'?"
2830
02:27:46,678 --> 02:27:49,333
And I'm, like, surrounded
by the zombies,
2831
02:27:49,333 --> 02:27:50,638
and that's the end of me.
2832
02:27:53,293 --> 02:27:57,863
Being buried in mud, there is
an art to holding your breath.
2833
02:27:57,863 --> 02:28:01,779
They dug a hole, then they're
covering me up and I'm like,
2834
02:28:01,779 --> 02:28:03,608
"Oh, my God.
I can't tell --
2835
02:28:03,608 --> 02:28:06,219
I can't hear
when they call 'action.'
2836
02:28:06,219 --> 02:28:09,570
I can't tell when
the rain machine's going."
2837
02:28:09,570 --> 02:28:11,877
So I had to
kind of, like, time it,
2838
02:28:11,877 --> 02:28:15,402
and it was, like, kind of creepy
to be under there.
2839
02:28:15,402 --> 02:28:18,361
So I did it on the first take,
thank goodness.
2840
02:28:18,361 --> 02:28:21,189
I was so happy.
2841
02:28:21,189 --> 02:28:24,498
That's kind of dangerous
because you can inhale the mud.
2842
02:28:24,498 --> 02:28:27,240
So I didn't know if anybody
really knew what they were doing
2843
02:28:27,240 --> 02:28:29,895
or if I was just, like,
a guinea pig on it.
2844
02:28:32,289 --> 02:28:35,857
When I turned into a zombie,
I'm nude --
2845
02:28:35,857 --> 02:28:38,077
cold and nude.
2846
02:28:38,077 --> 02:28:42,734
It was horrible to have
the special effects makeup done.
2847
02:28:42,734 --> 02:28:44,561
I didn't know
what I was getting into,
2848
02:28:44,561 --> 02:28:46,998
but it was, like,
all glued on me,
2849
02:28:46,998 --> 02:28:51,220
and they had the mouth
at one point down here.
2850
02:28:51,220 --> 02:28:55,399
And I couldn't drink anything
or really eat anything
2851
02:28:55,399 --> 02:28:56,878
because it was, like, so low.
2852
02:28:59,359 --> 02:29:00,621
It was pretty miserable.
2853
02:29:05,930 --> 02:29:08,541
I decided to do this workout,
2854
02:29:08,541 --> 02:29:11,284
"The Linnea Quigley
Horror Workout."
2855
02:29:11,284 --> 02:29:12,937
Everybody was doing it.
2856
02:29:12,937 --> 02:29:16,594
So we decided to do a campy
version with zombies
2857
02:29:16,594 --> 02:29:19,292
and with girls
at a slumber party
2858
02:29:19,292 --> 02:29:21,599
and, you know,
just throwing everything,
2859
02:29:21,599 --> 02:29:23,383
throw it into the mix.
2860
02:29:23,383 --> 02:29:26,647
I know what you're doing when
you're watching my movies.
2861
02:29:26,647 --> 02:29:29,868
Just how many calories
do you think that burns?
2862
02:29:29,868 --> 02:29:32,305
We had a really fun time
doing it
2863
02:29:32,305 --> 02:29:33,567
because it was
so tongue in cheek.
2864
02:29:38,224 --> 02:29:42,402
It's supposed to be taking place
on the mountain with gravestones
2865
02:29:42,402 --> 02:29:45,144
and this whole
dramatic thing.
2866
02:29:45,144 --> 02:29:49,235
Well, the fire marshals
decided to do,
2867
02:29:49,235 --> 02:29:51,498
like, a fire test up there.
2868
02:29:51,498 --> 02:29:54,327
So we got kicked out of there
and went to my parents' house
2869
02:29:54,327 --> 02:29:57,330
and decided to film by the pool,
2870
02:29:57,330 --> 02:29:59,288
and then have the zombies
jump in the pool.
2871
02:29:59,288 --> 02:30:01,203
Okay!
Everybody into the pool!
2872
02:30:04,511 --> 02:30:06,861
Cynthia Garris,
Mick Garris's wife,
2873
02:30:06,861 --> 02:30:09,994
choreographed the whole thing,
so she was across the pool,
2874
02:30:09,994 --> 02:30:13,738
because I'm not a great,
you know, dancer.
2875
02:30:13,738 --> 02:30:16,696
I wasn't aerobically trained.
2876
02:30:16,696 --> 02:30:18,525
So she was helping me out
with that.
2877
02:30:18,525 --> 02:30:22,573
And she was actually one
of the slumber party girls, too.
2878
02:30:22,573 --> 02:30:25,532
I think when they label you,
like, scream queen, to me,
2879
02:30:25,532 --> 02:30:27,012
it's an honor.
2880
02:30:27,012 --> 02:30:29,275
It's taken like a flip-flop.
2881
02:30:29,275 --> 02:30:33,147
So I don't think it's limiting
now, but it was limiting then.
2882
02:30:33,147 --> 02:30:36,413
I would say advice
for screaming on camera
2883
02:30:36,413 --> 02:30:39,067
would be just go
all out and do it.
2884
02:30:43,855 --> 02:30:45,987
Also, know that you're gonna
get a headache
2885
02:30:45,987 --> 02:30:47,553
after doing it a lot.
2886
02:30:47,553 --> 02:30:48,642
So bring some aspirin.
2887
02:30:54,169 --> 02:30:55,693
I think horror changed a lot
2888
02:30:55,693 --> 02:30:58,652
when we were
in people's living rooms.
2889
02:30:58,652 --> 02:31:01,611
I think that people
got to know you better.
2890
02:31:01,611 --> 02:31:06,050
They could go seek you out
in a video store and say,
2891
02:31:06,050 --> 02:31:08,487
"Oh, you know,
I really liked that person.
2892
02:31:08,487 --> 02:31:11,055
Do you have another movie
by her or him?"
2893
02:31:11,055 --> 02:31:15,060
Or, you know, "Is there
another part two or part three?"
2894
02:31:15,060 --> 02:31:18,584
It's a way to really
get into someone's heart.
2895
02:31:29,943 --> 02:31:32,337
Announcer: "House."
2896
02:31:32,337 --> 02:31:35,733
Enter at your own risk.
2897
02:31:35,733 --> 02:31:39,170
After "Friday the 13th" and then
a couple of more sequels
2898
02:31:39,170 --> 02:31:40,738
and then
"Nightmare on Elm Street,"
2899
02:31:40,738 --> 02:31:43,131
we knew the genre was changing.
2900
02:31:43,131 --> 02:31:46,612
And one of the pitfalls
in horror films in general,
2901
02:31:46,612 --> 02:31:50,225
is that you think it's
a compounding of grim scenes
2902
02:31:50,225 --> 02:31:52,053
and suspense and desperation.
2903
02:31:52,053 --> 02:31:53,532
No!
2904
02:31:53,532 --> 02:31:54,839
But it isn't that way.
2905
02:31:54,839 --> 02:31:57,450
It has to have hills
and valleys,
2906
02:31:57,450 --> 02:32:00,670
and lots of times,
some kind of comic relief
2907
02:32:00,670 --> 02:32:02,237
really, really helps.
2908
02:32:05,413 --> 02:32:07,677
Sandy. Aah!
2909
02:32:09,593 --> 02:32:13,205
You have a man who's writing and
who's isolated from his family,
2910
02:32:13,205 --> 02:32:15,729
dealing with sort
of these Vietnam flashbacks.
2911
02:32:18,732 --> 02:32:20,778
You're dealing with, like,
the death of a kid
2912
02:32:20,778 --> 02:32:22,387
at certain points.
2913
02:32:22,387 --> 02:32:25,043
And there's definitely
some trauma issues
2914
02:32:25,043 --> 02:32:28,220
that they're exploring
in that movie.
2915
02:32:28,220 --> 02:32:30,483
Cunningham: Bill Katt
was just terrific casting.
2916
02:32:30,483 --> 02:32:34,007
And then Steve Miner is the one
who really believed in that
2917
02:32:34,007 --> 02:32:36,053
and really thought
that he could bring it off
2918
02:32:36,053 --> 02:32:37,969
and he did a great job.
2919
02:32:37,969 --> 02:32:39,927
You've been in Vietnam,
2920
02:32:39,927 --> 02:32:42,277
lost your only child,
your wife divorced you.
2921
02:32:42,277 --> 02:32:43,931
I mean, you've got a few marbles
running around,
2922
02:32:43,931 --> 02:32:45,802
but right now,
you seem fine.
2923
02:32:45,802 --> 02:32:48,980
You have crazy characters
popping in.
2924
02:32:48,980 --> 02:32:51,678
You have Richard Moll
as Big Ben.
2925
02:32:51,678 --> 02:32:52,939
Big Ben?
2926
02:32:52,939 --> 02:32:55,333
No, it's your
fairy godmother.
2927
02:32:57,248 --> 02:33:01,732
Our hope initially was that Big
Ben was gonna become iconic,
2928
02:33:01,732 --> 02:33:03,037
but he didn't.
2929
02:33:03,037 --> 02:33:04,690
Oh!
2930
02:33:04,690 --> 02:33:07,651
You're pissing me off,
Roger.
2931
02:33:07,651 --> 02:33:12,656
This notion of -- of a zombie
G.I. rotting off the bone,
2932
02:33:12,656 --> 02:33:15,963
that he would come back
and really raise hell.
2933
02:33:18,486 --> 02:33:20,793
Roger, you hit like
a little girl!
2934
02:33:20,793 --> 02:33:22,753
For some magical reason,
2935
02:33:22,753 --> 02:33:26,670
people didn't buy into him
as being a super villain
2936
02:33:26,670 --> 02:33:30,803
the way they bought into
other characters at the time.
2937
02:33:30,803 --> 02:33:33,764
You can't
get rid of me, Roger.
2938
02:33:33,764 --> 02:33:36,114
You can't
and you never will!
2939
02:33:36,114 --> 02:33:38,682
A good poster will tell
the audience
2940
02:33:38,682 --> 02:33:41,162
what it's going to see.
2941
02:33:41,162 --> 02:33:42,772
"House" had that great line
2942
02:33:42,772 --> 02:33:44,991
and an image of, like,
a zombie finger
2943
02:33:44,991 --> 02:33:47,298
that goes,
"Ding Dong. You're dead."
2944
02:33:47,298 --> 02:33:50,083
It's like...
2945
02:33:50,083 --> 02:33:53,392
I just thought that was
delightful because it suggested
2946
02:33:53,392 --> 02:33:56,524
that we weren't taking it
completely seriously,
2947
02:33:56,524 --> 02:34:00,225
but that it was a haunted house
and that people were at risk.
2948
02:34:00,225 --> 02:34:02,183
That was kind of inspired.
2949
02:34:10,626 --> 02:34:14,108
Our original twist love affair
2950
02:34:14,108 --> 02:34:17,024
started with the unmasking
of who a killer was
2951
02:34:17,024 --> 02:34:18,635
or who the bad guy was.
2952
02:34:18,635 --> 02:34:21,115
And that goes all the way
back to "Scooby-Doo."
2953
02:34:21,115 --> 02:34:22,681
"Scooby-Doo"
is just a horror movie
2954
02:34:22,681 --> 02:34:26,512
in animated segments
of a killer or a bad guy,
2955
02:34:26,512 --> 02:34:29,906
and that sort of that gateway
into watching the real movies
2956
02:34:29,906 --> 02:34:32,038
where you wanted the unmasking
of who the killer is
2957
02:34:32,038 --> 02:34:33,867
or who the bad guy is.
2958
02:34:33,867 --> 02:34:36,087
Everybody always references,
"Ooh, Freddy" or "Jason."
2959
02:34:36,087 --> 02:34:37,391
And they go, "What's
your favorite movie?"
2960
02:34:37,391 --> 02:34:38,437
and I go, "April Fool's Day."
2961
02:34:38,437 --> 02:34:41,265
Announcer: "April Fool's Day."
2962
02:34:41,265 --> 02:34:44,268
Get ready to party...
till you drop.
2963
02:34:44,268 --> 02:34:46,400
And it blows their mind.
They're like, "Why?"
2964
02:34:46,400 --> 02:34:48,272
And I was like,
"Well, if you actually watch
2965
02:34:48,272 --> 02:34:51,188
'April Fool's Day,'
it's a great slasher movie
2966
02:34:51,188 --> 02:34:53,494
with a fantastic performance,"
2967
02:34:53,494 --> 02:34:55,583
because if you actually
watch her in that movie,
2968
02:34:55,583 --> 02:34:57,543
Foreman is -- she's creepy.
2969
02:34:57,543 --> 02:34:59,240
Criminally under-looked.
2970
02:34:59,240 --> 02:35:01,590
It tells the story
of a bunch of friends
2971
02:35:01,590 --> 02:35:06,073
who were invited to their
friend's house for a weekend.
2972
02:35:06,073 --> 02:35:08,510
They all just start
dropping like flies.
2973
02:35:11,731 --> 02:35:13,254
Come on!
2974
02:35:13,254 --> 02:35:16,604
My favorite kill is
probably the first one
2975
02:35:16,604 --> 02:35:19,869
where the guy has his face
chopped up with the boat motor.
2976
02:35:19,869 --> 02:35:23,655
You talk about roast beef,
it is just a shredder.
2977
02:35:25,658 --> 02:35:28,616
Oh! Geez!
2978
02:35:28,616 --> 02:35:30,054
The kills are great.
2979
02:35:30,054 --> 02:35:32,796
The comedy is off the charts.
2980
02:35:32,796 --> 02:35:35,449
It's smart, it's funny.
2981
02:35:42,935 --> 02:35:44,503
I think it's probably my
all-time favorite horror movie
2982
02:35:44,503 --> 02:35:45,851
just because of the twist.
2983
02:35:45,851 --> 02:35:47,331
Blew my mind
at the end of the movie.
2984
02:35:53,381 --> 02:35:57,863
It's not just about, "I thought
the killer was somebody else,"
2985
02:35:57,863 --> 02:35:59,517
because you always try
to figure out the mystery.
2986
02:36:03,304 --> 02:36:04,740
Yeah, having twists in --
2987
02:36:04,740 --> 02:36:07,177
especially in '80s
horror movies,
2988
02:36:07,177 --> 02:36:10,355
whether they're the big movies
or the obscure ones,
2989
02:36:10,355 --> 02:36:11,529
those always get you
a little bit.
2990
02:36:11,529 --> 02:36:13,400
April fool.
2991
02:36:19,799 --> 02:36:21,714
Announcer:
Will you survive it?
2992
02:36:21,714 --> 02:36:23,106
Ahhh!
2993
02:36:23,106 --> 02:36:24,238
"Demons."
2994
02:36:26,501 --> 02:36:29,852
The construct of the story
for "Demons"
2995
02:36:29,852 --> 02:36:32,550
is a group of people
are watching a movie.
2996
02:36:32,550 --> 02:36:34,552
We're watching the people
watch the movie,
2997
02:36:34,552 --> 02:36:35,771
as they're watching a movie.
2998
02:36:35,771 --> 02:36:38,339
So I am a working girl
2999
02:36:38,339 --> 02:36:41,081
on a day off
with my best friend
3000
02:36:41,081 --> 02:36:44,518
and the fellow who, let's say,
collects the money for us.
3001
02:36:44,518 --> 02:36:47,086
And we get a free ticket.
3002
02:36:47,086 --> 02:36:50,743
I pick up the mask and something
inside the mask
3003
02:36:50,743 --> 02:36:52,091
scratches my face.
3004
02:36:52,091 --> 02:36:54,572
Ow!
What was that?
3005
02:36:54,572 --> 02:36:56,966
There's three levels of demons.
3006
02:36:56,966 --> 02:36:59,185
And by the way it's demone.
3007
02:36:59,185 --> 02:37:01,535
That's how we say "demons"
in Italy. It's demone.
3008
02:37:01,535 --> 02:37:02,928
So there's three
different levels,
3009
02:37:02,928 --> 02:37:05,235
and the first level
is infection.
3010
02:37:05,235 --> 02:37:06,759
That's when hell will open
3011
02:37:06,759 --> 02:37:09,544
because the demons
are gonna come onto Earth
3012
02:37:09,544 --> 02:37:12,590
and try to take over
the dominion of Earth.
3013
02:37:12,590 --> 02:37:17,769
Dario Argento and Sacchetti
and Ferrini and Lamberto Bava,
3014
02:37:17,769 --> 02:37:21,773
the four authors of the script,
they knew the story.
3015
02:37:21,773 --> 02:37:23,471
"Yeah, we're gonna do this.
3016
02:37:23,471 --> 02:37:24,950
It's gonna be a film and a film
of some kids in a film."
3017
02:37:24,950 --> 02:37:28,302
But it took them two years
to make the rules.
3018
02:37:28,302 --> 02:37:30,086
What were the rules of hell?
3019
02:37:30,086 --> 02:37:32,610
What were the rules of demons?
3020
02:37:32,610 --> 02:37:34,481
And what is a demon?
3021
02:37:34,481 --> 02:37:37,834
It can come through the screen,
it can come around you,
3022
02:37:37,834 --> 02:37:39,573
and it can get into
your blood system.
3023
02:37:41,793 --> 02:37:45,015
My face exploding was
my first day on the set.
3024
02:37:45,015 --> 02:37:47,147
In the ladies' room,
I look in the mirror,
3025
02:37:47,147 --> 02:37:50,802
and the audience sees the pulse
get bigger and bigger
3026
02:37:50,802 --> 02:37:52,022
and bigger and explode.
3027
02:37:52,022 --> 02:37:55,502
No!
3028
02:37:55,502 --> 02:37:58,070
And from that moment on,
we're running.
3029
02:37:58,070 --> 02:38:00,246
The movie
never slows down again.
3030
02:38:02,945 --> 02:38:04,685
Then you can't get out.
3031
02:38:04,685 --> 02:38:06,297
Isn't that everyone's fear?
3032
02:38:06,297 --> 02:38:07,993
You're in a box,
you're in a group,
3033
02:38:07,993 --> 02:38:10,343
you're with a gang,
you don't know anybody,
3034
02:38:10,343 --> 02:38:12,650
and now you can't get out.
3035
02:38:12,650 --> 02:38:16,436
There's not any, "You're bad,
you had sex so you must die."
3036
02:38:16,436 --> 02:38:21,528
It really is the larger concept
of how much can you stay human,
3037
02:38:21,528 --> 02:38:23,356
your humanity
3038
02:38:23,356 --> 02:38:26,969
within a bad situation
that you can't get out of?
3039
02:38:26,969 --> 02:38:28,057
That's the real message.
3040
02:38:30,929 --> 02:38:33,889
And it's a movie
with this amazing soundtrack.
3041
02:38:33,889 --> 02:38:37,154
I mean, Billy Idol, Go West,
3042
02:38:37,154 --> 02:38:40,678
and then you have
Claudio Simonetti.
3043
02:38:40,678 --> 02:38:43,638
There's something about metal,
that to them,
3044
02:38:43,638 --> 02:38:46,858
it's the standout loner
against society.
3045
02:38:49,730 --> 02:38:52,603
There's so many great effects
and demone-- demons.
3046
02:38:52,603 --> 02:38:54,039
-Help!
3047
02:38:54,039 --> 02:38:57,173
The eyeball gauge,
it's a real man.
3048
02:38:57,173 --> 02:38:58,914
And they put padding on there.
3049
02:38:58,914 --> 02:39:03,006
So they had a system that
when I put my hands in the pad,
3050
02:39:03,006 --> 02:39:06,443
there was gel,
and I knew don't go past the gel
3051
02:39:06,443 --> 02:39:07,749
because his real eyes
are in there.
3052
02:39:10,621 --> 02:39:16,018
The birth of the demon
that comes out of Paola's back,
3053
02:39:16,018 --> 02:39:18,324
that was a mechanical thing
3054
02:39:18,324 --> 02:39:21,023
that Sergio Stivaletti created.
3055
02:39:22,328 --> 02:39:23,721
Just look at that doll.
3056
02:39:23,721 --> 02:39:24,983
Look at that creature
that comes out.
3057
02:39:24,983 --> 02:39:26,290
Excellently done.
3058
02:39:28,030 --> 02:39:29,249
They love that!
3059
02:39:29,249 --> 02:39:31,164
They love the -- the guts of it.
3060
02:39:33,993 --> 02:39:35,821
The helicopter.
3061
02:39:42,609 --> 02:39:44,307
It was a technical way
3062
02:39:44,307 --> 02:39:46,744
of how the helicopter
got through the roof.
3063
02:39:46,744 --> 02:39:48,007
It's not magic.
3064
02:39:48,007 --> 02:39:50,357
It's the mechanics
of movie making.
3065
02:39:53,229 --> 02:39:55,927
So as everyone's running
toward the camera, I'm hiding.
3066
02:39:55,927 --> 02:39:58,277
I'm hiding.
I'm hiding behind pillars.
3067
02:39:58,277 --> 02:40:01,498
I'm hiding behind things
because I want to be sure
3068
02:40:01,498 --> 02:40:02,978
I don't get killed on scene.
3069
02:40:02,978 --> 02:40:04,936
I want to be sure my head
3070
02:40:04,936 --> 02:40:07,504
doesn't go flying
with that helicopter blade.
3071
02:40:10,463 --> 02:40:13,990
The humanity of it
is the secret of the movie.
3072
02:40:13,990 --> 02:40:16,209
Watch all these people
doing the best they can
3073
02:40:16,209 --> 02:40:17,557
in the worst circumstances.
3074
02:40:17,557 --> 02:40:20,692
And not everyone's going to win.
3075
02:40:30,702 --> 02:40:34,967
Announcer:
"Vamp" -- a comedy with bite,
3076
02:40:34,967 --> 02:40:37,882
and, of course, Grace Jones.
3077
02:40:37,882 --> 02:40:41,059
"Vamp" is the story
of three kids
3078
02:40:41,059 --> 02:40:43,670
who go downtown to a strip club
3079
02:40:43,670 --> 02:40:47,457
to procure
some unappareled refreshment,
3080
02:40:47,457 --> 02:40:49,590
I guess, is what you want
to call it,
3081
02:40:49,590 --> 02:40:53,376
and end up running
into a nest of vampires.
3082
02:40:56,293 --> 02:40:58,250
Richard Wenk,
the writer/director,
3083
02:40:58,250 --> 02:41:00,383
had a terrific vision
of what he wanted.
3084
02:41:00,383 --> 02:41:03,735
He wanted to make a horror movie
that utilized humor.
3085
02:41:07,781 --> 02:41:10,175
"Vamp," for me,
was trying to fit in.
3086
02:41:10,175 --> 02:41:11,437
Take me with you
and just pretend
3087
02:41:11,437 --> 02:41:12,918
to be my friends for a week.
3088
02:41:12,918 --> 02:41:14,832
Hey, guys, I'm psyched.
3089
02:41:14,832 --> 02:41:16,312
Let's party.
3090
02:41:16,312 --> 02:41:17,836
At what cost?
3091
02:41:19,445 --> 02:41:24,930
I was so stoked
to meet Grace Jones.
3092
02:41:24,930 --> 02:41:28,106
She was perfectly cast
to play Katrina.
3093
02:41:28,106 --> 02:41:31,153
We were all worried if
Grace Jones was gonna show up
3094
02:41:31,153 --> 02:41:33,894
on the set or not.
3095
02:41:33,894 --> 02:41:37,724
She surprised us in a lot,
a lot of ways, I have to say.
3096
02:41:37,724 --> 02:41:40,988
I think all of us were
kind of, like, vamping
3097
02:41:40,988 --> 02:41:43,601
so you know, in some way.
3098
02:41:43,601 --> 02:41:48,170
When Grace Jones came on
the set, the air would change.
3099
02:41:48,170 --> 02:41:52,435
I do remember one incident
where I had opened the door,
3100
02:41:52,435 --> 02:41:56,047
and there was Grace Jones
and she was stark naked.
3101
02:41:56,047 --> 02:41:58,832
And underneath her this man
was painting her,
3102
02:41:58,832 --> 02:42:01,444
turned out to be Keith Haring.
3103
02:42:01,444 --> 02:42:05,752
Keith was just slowly drawing
white lines
3104
02:42:05,752 --> 02:42:08,233
on her beautiful ebony body.
3105
02:42:08,233 --> 02:42:10,192
It was just unbelievable
to watch.
3106
02:42:10,192 --> 02:42:13,760
I give you...Katrina.
3107
02:42:13,760 --> 02:42:16,546
Watanabe: The dance --
that was pretty cool.
3108
02:42:16,546 --> 02:42:18,156
None of us knew what to expect.
3109
02:42:21,116 --> 02:42:23,074
The red wig that she had on,
at first,
3110
02:42:23,074 --> 02:42:25,120
I kept thinking it looked like
Ronald McDonald.
3111
02:42:25,120 --> 02:42:27,252
I said, "How in the hell
is this gonna work?"
3112
02:42:27,252 --> 02:42:28,949
But it worked!
3113
02:42:28,949 --> 02:42:32,692
I sat there and went,
"Oh, my God. She looks great."
3114
02:42:39,221 --> 02:42:42,790
Grace Jones is so charismatic
and her character was so strong
3115
02:42:42,790 --> 02:42:44,922
that she didn't need to talk.
3116
02:42:44,922 --> 02:42:46,924
She was all action.
3117
02:42:48,099 --> 02:42:52,843
You like to play rough, huh?
3118
02:42:52,843 --> 02:42:55,672
When we were filming
the death scene,
3119
02:42:55,672 --> 02:42:57,674
Grace was just so wild.
3120
02:42:57,674 --> 02:43:00,938
You know, she came onto
set nine hours late one night,
3121
02:43:00,938 --> 02:43:03,245
howling, saying,
"Where's my man?"
3122
02:43:03,245 --> 02:43:05,203
And the whole crew just went...
3123
02:43:10,034 --> 02:43:13,124
She had attacked my neck
like a Pit Bull,
3124
02:43:13,124 --> 02:43:14,995
like a shark on a fish
3125
02:43:14,995 --> 02:43:18,651
and didn't realize that
the teeth actually penetrated
3126
02:43:18,651 --> 02:43:21,959
the latex
and went into my jugular.
3127
02:43:21,959 --> 02:43:25,702
And I was writhing in pain,
screaming in agony,
3128
02:43:25,702 --> 02:43:28,966
and she didn't realize
how badly I was hurt.
3129
02:43:32,665 --> 02:43:34,667
And it could have been a lot
worse than how it turned out.
3130
02:43:34,667 --> 02:43:36,713
How you're doing
back there, Duncan?
3131
02:43:36,713 --> 02:43:38,454
I'm hungry.
3132
02:43:38,454 --> 02:43:40,325
He's okay.
3133
02:43:40,325 --> 02:43:45,069
It was the first time I ever
was transformed into a vampire,
3134
02:43:45,069 --> 02:43:48,072
so it was pretty exciting
for me.
3135
02:43:48,072 --> 02:43:51,902
They started to proceed to put
on the prosthetics on my face.
3136
02:43:51,902 --> 02:43:55,035
I watched myself turn
into my grandfather.
3137
02:43:55,035 --> 02:43:58,518
It was a little scary.
3138
02:43:58,518 --> 02:44:00,650
There's a certain kind
of empowerment
3139
02:44:00,650 --> 02:44:04,871
that you feel
when you're put into a costume,
3140
02:44:04,871 --> 02:44:07,526
and this one was
kind of like, "Okay,
3141
02:44:07,526 --> 02:44:11,574
I got the teeth, I got power,"
which really surprised me,
3142
02:44:11,574 --> 02:44:13,837
because I think my character
was -- was empowered.
3143
02:44:13,837 --> 02:44:16,448
Now all of a sudden,
he had this power even though
3144
02:44:16,448 --> 02:44:19,059
he eventually was gonna die,
but still, you know,
3145
02:44:19,059 --> 02:44:21,236
why not go out in a flame
if you have to?
3146
02:44:23,934 --> 02:44:24,935
Literally.
3147
02:44:41,995 --> 02:44:44,346
"The Seventh Curse"
came out in 1986.
3148
02:44:44,346 --> 02:44:45,999
It's a hidden gem, I would say.
3149
02:44:47,914 --> 02:44:50,570
Hong Kong cinema was very much
like two-fold --
3150
02:44:50,570 --> 02:44:52,397
you had action and comedy.
3151
02:44:52,397 --> 02:44:55,705
Then the other side, we were
incorporating a lot of fantasy
3152
02:44:55,705 --> 02:44:57,228
and horror as well.
3153
02:45:02,146 --> 02:45:03,713
Directed by Simon Nam.
3154
02:45:03,713 --> 02:45:05,236
He went on to direct
"The Story of Ricky,"
3155
02:45:05,236 --> 02:45:07,325
which is kind of a very
over-the-top action movie
3156
02:45:07,325 --> 02:45:09,240
with lots of blood and gore.
3157
02:45:09,240 --> 02:45:12,548
The plot revolves around
Dr. Yuan, played by Chin Siu-ho,
3158
02:45:12,548 --> 02:45:14,463
who's
a fantastic martial artist.
3159
02:45:17,596 --> 02:45:19,424
Dr. Yuan is warned of a curse
3160
02:45:19,424 --> 02:45:21,513
after being attacked
in his apartment.
3161
02:45:25,125 --> 02:45:26,605
The film flashes back,
3162
02:45:26,605 --> 02:45:28,433
where we see him
saving a girl called Betsy
3163
02:45:28,433 --> 02:45:31,088
from an evil tribe
called the Worm Tribe.
3164
02:45:31,741 --> 02:45:35,092
Aah!
3165
02:45:35,092 --> 02:45:38,313
After saving her from
being sacrificed, he is cursed.
3166
02:45:38,313 --> 02:45:39,662
Aah!
3167
02:45:39,662 --> 02:45:41,533
He decides to head back
to Thailand
3168
02:45:41,533 --> 02:45:43,405
to get rid of this tribe,
3169
02:45:43,405 --> 02:45:45,929
so he can live forever without
having to look over his shoulder
3170
02:45:45,929 --> 02:45:48,627
thinking he's gonna die
in a year's time.
3171
02:45:52,065 --> 02:45:55,373
He gets the advice by Wisely
played by Chow Yun-Fat,
3172
02:45:55,373 --> 02:45:57,157
who is barely in the movie,
he's --
3173
02:45:57,157 --> 02:45:58,724
He pops up in the beginning.
3174
02:45:58,724 --> 02:46:00,857
He's in a little bit near
the sort of middle act.
3175
02:46:00,857 --> 02:46:02,772
And he pops up at the end
with a rocket launcher,
3176
02:46:02,772 --> 02:46:04,643
which is a great sequence.
3177
02:46:10,257 --> 02:46:12,085
When it comes to the action,
the film completely delivers.
3178
02:46:19,136 --> 02:46:21,094
They try and push the gore
as much as possible.
3179
02:46:21,094 --> 02:46:23,445
They actually quite --
It's quite sprinkled throughout.
3180
02:46:26,317 --> 02:46:28,624
You see someone's stomach
get ripped apart,
3181
02:46:28,624 --> 02:46:30,452
all these worms fall out of it.
3182
02:46:30,452 --> 02:46:33,324
A guy's head gets ripped off,
blood gets drained from him.
3183
02:46:37,241 --> 02:46:39,678
They give it a go, and it
does work to a certain degree,
3184
02:46:39,678 --> 02:46:43,290
but it does provide
some unintentional laughs.
3185
02:46:43,290 --> 02:46:46,119
Watching this movie,
I had a huge smile on my face.
3186
02:46:46,119 --> 02:46:47,686
If you love
your Hong Kong action,
3187
02:46:47,686 --> 02:46:49,688
if you love your fantasy
and you love horror
3188
02:46:49,688 --> 02:46:52,343
thrown into that
with elements of Indiana Jones,
3189
02:46:52,343 --> 02:46:53,823
it's a movie you've got to watch
3190
02:46:53,823 --> 02:46:55,433
because
it's so bonkers and silly.
3191
02:46:56,782 --> 02:46:58,305
Uh!
3192
02:47:05,617 --> 02:47:08,228
There. Now, isn't that the best
song?
3193
02:47:08,228 --> 02:47:10,405
What kind of a weird plant
is that, Seymour?
3194
02:47:10,405 --> 02:47:12,015
Announcer:
"Little Shop of Horrors."
3195
02:47:12,015 --> 02:47:13,538
Rolfe: The original
"Little Shop of Horrors"
3196
02:47:13,538 --> 02:47:16,062
by Roger Corman
is about a florist,
3197
02:47:16,062 --> 02:47:18,630
Seymour,
whose shop is struggling,
3198
02:47:18,630 --> 02:47:21,503
until he grows this amazing
Venus fly trap,
3199
02:47:21,503 --> 02:47:24,462
but the problem is,
it only eats human flesh.
3200
02:47:27,813 --> 02:47:30,425
The 1982 musical
stage production
3201
02:47:30,425 --> 02:47:33,036
was adapted into the 1986 film
3202
02:47:33,036 --> 02:47:35,952
directed by Frank Oz
and starring Rick Moranis.
3203
02:47:35,952 --> 02:47:37,867
It seems like
the whole world's gone crazy.
3204
02:47:37,867 --> 02:47:40,782
At least we got
each other, right?
3205
02:47:40,782 --> 02:47:43,612
Audrey II is incredible.
3206
02:47:43,612 --> 02:47:46,397
These practical effects
were outstanding.
3207
02:47:46,397 --> 02:47:47,964
They look so good.
3208
02:47:49,052 --> 02:47:50,182
Does it have to be
human?
3209
02:47:51,663 --> 02:47:53,099
Does it have
to be mine?!
3210
02:47:54,579 --> 02:47:56,189
In order to get
the lip sync perfect,
3211
02:47:56,189 --> 02:47:59,454
they had to slow down
the frame rate of the plant.
3212
02:47:59,454 --> 02:48:01,891
But it works fantastic.
3213
02:48:01,891 --> 02:48:06,069
You sure do drive
a hard bargain.
3214
02:48:06,069 --> 02:48:07,766
Ellen Greene is great.
3215
02:48:07,766 --> 02:48:10,334
I mean, she has this funny,
squeaky voice.
3216
02:48:10,334 --> 02:48:12,597
I call it an Audrey II.
3217
02:48:12,597 --> 02:48:13,945
After me?
3218
02:48:13,945 --> 02:48:15,731
I hope you don't mind.
3219
02:48:15,731 --> 02:48:17,994
But then when she sings,
it's -- it's gorgeous.
3220
02:48:25,783 --> 02:48:27,830
The songs are wonderful.
3221
02:48:27,830 --> 02:48:30,920
Also, you have this great cameo
by Steve Martin,
3222
02:48:30,920 --> 02:48:32,747
who plays this deranged dentist
3223
02:48:32,747 --> 02:48:35,011
who likes to inflict pain
on people.
3224
02:48:41,626 --> 02:48:43,802
But then he meets his match
with Bill Murray,
3225
02:48:43,802 --> 02:48:46,762
who's this patient who doesn't
want any Novocaine or anything.
3226
02:48:46,762 --> 02:48:49,328
Say "Ah."
Ahhhhh!
3227
02:48:49,328 --> 02:48:51,941
And Bill Murray is actually
filling in the role
3228
02:48:51,941 --> 02:48:54,639
that Jack Nicholson played
in the original.
3229
02:48:54,639 --> 02:48:56,032
No Novocaine.
It dulls the senses.
3230
02:48:57,468 --> 02:49:01,079
The original ending
was not a happy one.
3231
02:49:01,079 --> 02:49:04,257
In fact, it's relentlessly
dark and morbid.
3232
02:49:04,257 --> 02:49:08,087
Seymour's girlfriend, Audrey,
is fatally wounded by the plant,
3233
02:49:08,087 --> 02:49:12,004
and then he sacrifices
her corpse to the plant.
3234
02:49:12,004 --> 02:49:14,485
He slowly carries her up,
3235
02:49:14,485 --> 02:49:16,835
like it's some kind of ceremony.
3236
02:49:16,835 --> 02:49:20,317
It's tragic, yet somehow
beautiful at the same time.
3237
02:49:27,454 --> 02:49:30,936
He confronts the original plant,
only to be eaten himself.
3238
02:49:35,245 --> 02:49:37,726
The plants attack the city.
3239
02:49:37,726 --> 02:49:41,293
And it's a full-on
destruction sequence,
3240
02:49:41,293 --> 02:49:43,253
where the plants
destroy everything.
3241
02:49:43,253 --> 02:49:46,299
And it's some of the best
miniature-model work
3242
02:49:46,299 --> 02:49:47,649
I've ever seen.
3243
02:49:47,649 --> 02:49:51,348
Everybody in the whole
world dies.
3244
02:49:51,348 --> 02:49:56,266
It's so insanely depressing
that it's no wonder they cut it.
3245
02:50:01,140 --> 02:50:02,488
I mean, that was pretty crazy.
3246
02:50:11,542 --> 02:50:16,764
The allure of horror isn't just
watching other people in terror,
3247
02:50:16,764 --> 02:50:18,984
it's identifying with the people
who are in terror.
3248
02:50:20,682 --> 02:50:24,903
Crampton: People in life
naturally walk away from fear.
3249
02:50:24,903 --> 02:50:29,604
But in watching a horror movie,
it allows you to confront that
3250
02:50:29,604 --> 02:50:31,518
while someone else
is going through it.
3251
02:50:31,518 --> 02:50:33,389
It doesn't have to be you.
3252
02:50:33,389 --> 02:50:37,089
And usually there's somebody
in the film that is victorious,
3253
02:50:37,089 --> 02:50:40,963
and, by osmosis, it makes
you feel more confident.
3254
02:50:44,053 --> 02:50:46,229
The whole idea behind
living our lives
3255
02:50:46,229 --> 02:50:48,100
is having enough ordinary care
3256
02:50:48,100 --> 02:50:51,495
to see whatever threats may
materialize over the horizon.
3257
02:50:51,495 --> 02:50:53,758
That's what's basic to horror.
3258
02:50:53,758 --> 02:50:57,762
If I am that person, how do
I get out of that situation?
3259
02:50:57,762 --> 02:51:00,025
How do I live
through this moment?
3260
02:51:00,025 --> 02:51:02,158
We can experience that horror
and that terror
3261
02:51:02,158 --> 02:51:05,248
through somebody else's eyes.
3262
02:51:05,248 --> 02:51:07,946
And there's also a giant sense
of catharsis
3263
02:51:07,946 --> 02:51:11,471
and kind of a projection of,
"What if that was me?
3264
02:51:11,471 --> 02:51:14,518
Are they making the right
decisions that I would make?"
3265
02:51:15,736 --> 02:51:18,000
Dennis! Dennis!
3266
02:51:19,784 --> 02:51:21,394
Sometimes you end up
rooting more for the monster
3267
02:51:21,394 --> 02:51:22,787
than for the kids.
3268
02:51:22,787 --> 02:51:24,963
Now, in the traditional
horror movie,
3269
02:51:24,963 --> 02:51:27,096
we often saw things
from the victim's point of view,
3270
02:51:27,096 --> 02:51:28,750
but that's no longer.
3271
02:51:28,750 --> 02:51:30,490
Now we look through
the killer's eyes.
3272
02:51:30,490 --> 02:51:32,144
It's almost as if the audience
is being asked
3273
02:51:32,144 --> 02:51:34,755
to identify with the attackers
in these movies,
3274
02:51:34,755 --> 02:51:36,888
and that really bothers me.
3275
02:51:36,888 --> 02:51:39,325
Cunningham: Jason was meant
to be kind of a shark.
3276
02:51:39,325 --> 02:51:42,764
And he made this transition
from being a shark
3277
02:51:42,764 --> 02:51:45,680
to being, somehow or other,
a hero.
3278
02:51:45,680 --> 02:51:48,683
There's this tiny little
backstory about Jason
3279
02:51:48,683 --> 02:51:50,380
being picked on as a kid,
3280
02:51:50,380 --> 02:51:52,904
tormented,
and then finally drowned.
3281
02:51:57,648 --> 02:52:01,696
And ever since he came back,
he's been kicking ass.
3282
02:52:01,696 --> 02:52:06,309
And it's sort of like "Revenge
of the Nerds" on steroids.
3283
02:52:13,098 --> 02:52:15,230
There's a certain kind
of identification
3284
02:52:15,230 --> 02:52:20,976
with Jason being the super ego
of the depressed kid.
3285
02:52:22,193 --> 02:52:25,023
You get to have your fantasy
that you're the killer.
3286
02:52:25,023 --> 02:52:26,981
You're ripping out hearts,
you're ripping out throats,
3287
02:52:26,981 --> 02:52:28,853
"You know what, boss? I'll tell
you what I'd like to do."
3288
02:52:28,853 --> 02:52:29,985
Rrrr-rrrr-rrr.
3289
02:52:29,985 --> 02:52:31,812
You could be the little person
3290
02:52:31,812 --> 02:52:35,120
that finally got
to beat up the meanies.
3291
02:52:35,120 --> 02:52:37,688
You could be the girl
that nobody liked,
3292
02:52:37,688 --> 02:52:39,734
and you're gonna get them
in the end.
3293
02:52:44,390 --> 02:52:46,871
I think it's more
like vicariousness.
3294
02:52:46,871 --> 02:52:48,699
I don't think it's catharsis.
3295
02:52:48,699 --> 02:52:53,181
I think people maybe are curious
about how it would feel to be
3296
02:52:53,181 --> 02:52:56,881
in a power position,
or curious about the rush
3297
02:52:56,881 --> 02:53:00,057
that you would get out
of executing somebody.
3298
02:53:03,235 --> 02:53:06,325
You watch people, how much
they love video games, too.
3299
02:53:06,325 --> 02:53:08,980
Like, it's not catharsis.
3300
02:53:08,980 --> 02:53:11,634
I think it's --
it's more than that.
3301
02:53:11,634 --> 02:53:14,202
It depends on what world
you want to escape into.
3302
02:53:14,202 --> 02:53:16,857
And I think if you watch the --
"Hey, I'm watching the kids
3303
02:53:16,857 --> 02:53:18,772
run through the woods
to get their heads cut off,"
3304
02:53:18,772 --> 02:53:20,991
you feel good
because you're not in the woods.
3305
02:53:23,385 --> 02:53:25,909
You -- You live in a world
that, you know, doesn't --
3306
02:53:25,909 --> 02:53:28,433
that doesn't actually
hopefully happen to you.
3307
02:53:28,433 --> 02:53:30,219
And then in that fantasy world,
3308
02:53:30,219 --> 02:53:32,395
or that spy-adventure-movie
world,
3309
02:53:32,395 --> 02:53:34,179
you want to be
one of those characters.
3310
02:53:34,179 --> 02:53:36,094
So they're two completely
different things.
3311
02:53:36,094 --> 02:53:38,095
The categorical difference
between a horror movie
3312
02:53:38,095 --> 02:53:40,838
and a -- a --
a violent action movie
3313
02:53:40,838 --> 02:53:44,667
has to do with the experience.
3314
02:53:44,667 --> 02:53:47,496
On "Death Wish," you are Paul.
3315
02:53:47,496 --> 02:53:49,454
You get the gun, you go out
3316
02:53:49,454 --> 02:53:52,415
and you shoot these
sort of faceless victims.
3317
02:53:52,415 --> 02:53:54,765
In a horror movie,
you're the victim.
3318
02:53:54,765 --> 02:53:57,114
The whole experience
is completely flipped.
3319
02:53:59,377 --> 02:54:01,597
That is a significant difference
on a cinematic level,
3320
02:54:01,597 --> 02:54:02,947
on a political level,
3321
02:54:02,947 --> 02:54:05,776
on what it has to say
about society,
3322
02:54:05,776 --> 02:54:08,604
but it's also a difference
critically in terms
3323
02:54:08,604 --> 02:54:10,302
of how it's getting
at your subconscious.
3324
02:54:10,302 --> 02:54:11,869
An action movie of that type,
3325
02:54:11,869 --> 02:54:14,437
it has a kind of
wish-fulfillment aspect to it.
3326
02:54:14,437 --> 02:54:16,613
Every time he goes out
and shoots one of these,
3327
02:54:16,613 --> 02:54:19,094
like, hoodlums,
you get a dopamine hit.
3328
02:54:19,094 --> 02:54:21,966
It's like a video game.
Like, "Oh, I got another one."
3329
02:54:21,966 --> 02:54:23,794
In a horror movie,
you know, it's --
3330
02:54:23,794 --> 02:54:25,622
it's more like a nightmare.
3331
02:54:25,622 --> 02:54:28,146
You're put in this position
of kind of existential dread
3332
02:54:28,146 --> 02:54:31,628
or threat that is pursuing you
in some way,
3333
02:54:31,628 --> 02:54:36,415
which gets into much, much
deeper aspects of human nature.
3334
02:54:40,637 --> 02:54:44,205
Horror movies have
a much more complicated
3335
02:54:44,205 --> 02:54:46,772
and I would say deeper level
that they're getting at.
3336
02:54:52,954 --> 02:54:54,651
I was never really
a video-game guy.
3337
02:54:54,651 --> 02:54:56,609
I was more of a pinball guy.
3338
02:54:56,609 --> 02:54:59,525
Nowadays there's
an Elvira pinball machine.
3339
02:54:59,525 --> 02:55:02,137
There's a Rob Zombie
pinball machine.
3340
02:55:02,137 --> 02:55:03,878
I'm pinball, man.
3341
02:55:03,878 --> 02:55:05,836
Today you have a lot
of great horror games,
3342
02:55:05,836 --> 02:55:08,055
especially with the -- the VR.
3343
02:55:08,055 --> 02:55:10,754
I mean, there's all kinds
of things they can do now.
3344
02:55:14,583 --> 02:55:17,107
Even now, you have some that are
based on '80s horror films
3345
02:55:17,107 --> 02:55:19,588
like the recent
"Friday the 13th video" game,
3346
02:55:19,588 --> 02:55:22,243
which is connected
with Tom Savini and Kane Hodder,
3347
02:55:22,243 --> 02:55:23,897
but we didn't always have that.
3348
02:55:23,897 --> 02:55:28,510
Back then, video-game technology
wasn't as advanced.
3349
02:55:28,510 --> 02:55:30,600
Wizard Video was releasing
these games like
3350
02:55:30,600 --> 02:55:33,558
"Texas Chainsaw Massacre"
and "Halloween."
3351
02:55:33,558 --> 02:55:36,867
In "Texas Chainsaw Massacre,"
you're the bad guy.
3352
02:55:36,867 --> 02:55:39,130
You are Leatherface,
and you're killing people.
3353
02:55:39,130 --> 02:55:41,175
Like, there's no morals
in this game.
3354
02:55:41,175 --> 02:55:45,006
It's sort of like one
of the first real sadistic games
3355
02:55:45,006 --> 02:55:46,921
where you control the killer.
3356
02:55:46,921 --> 02:55:50,925
You basically get points for
chopping people up.
3357
02:55:50,925 --> 02:55:52,360
One thing that's funny
about the chainsaw
3358
02:55:52,360 --> 02:55:54,797
is that it's the same color
as the body.
3359
02:55:54,797 --> 02:55:57,191
It's sort of like
an extension of his body,
3360
02:55:57,191 --> 02:56:00,325
and you get stuck on everything.
3361
02:56:00,325 --> 02:56:03,241
Then there was "Halloween,"
also on Atari.
3362
02:56:03,241 --> 02:56:04,894
You're running
from Michael Myers.
3363
02:56:04,894 --> 02:56:06,244
You have to get the kids
3364
02:56:06,244 --> 02:56:07,898
and move them
to a corner of the house.
3365
02:56:07,898 --> 02:56:12,294
And every time you do that,
you get 675 points.
3366
02:56:12,294 --> 02:56:14,338
Very specific.
3367
02:56:14,338 --> 02:56:16,863
It also has what might be
the first head decapitation
3368
02:56:16,863 --> 02:56:18,386
in a video game.
3369
02:56:18,386 --> 02:56:20,432
I mean, I can't think
of any games before that
3370
02:56:20,432 --> 02:56:24,088
where a head gets cut off,
and you see blood spurting out.
3371
02:56:24,088 --> 02:56:26,656
And it also has the "Halloween"
theme song in it.
3372
02:56:31,443 --> 02:56:35,839
They were super, super cheesy,
just little pixels,
3373
02:56:35,839 --> 02:56:37,666
So bad.
3374
02:56:37,666 --> 02:56:42,062
So the Atari version of "Alien"
basically took Pac-Man
3375
02:56:42,062 --> 02:56:45,501
and then just turned it
into "Alien."
3376
02:56:47,633 --> 02:56:50,201
"Frankenstein's Monster"
on Atari,
3377
02:56:50,201 --> 02:56:51,985
it had this great moment
3378
02:56:51,985 --> 02:56:56,337
where the Frankenstein monster
would approach the screen.
3379
02:56:56,337 --> 02:56:58,600
If you played in the dark
at night,
3380
02:56:58,600 --> 02:57:01,211
the whole room
would just flash green.
3381
02:57:07,957 --> 02:57:09,351
I did a few games.
3382
02:57:09,351 --> 02:57:11,657
One was "Elvira:
Mistress of the Dark."
3383
02:57:16,140 --> 02:57:18,795
One was "The Jaws of Cerberus."
3384
02:57:18,795 --> 02:57:20,187
I don't know what I had
to do with that.
3385
02:57:27,629 --> 02:57:30,633
And one was "Elvira:
The Arcade Game."
3386
02:57:30,633 --> 02:57:33,201
They kind of got better
as time went on.
3387
02:57:38,119 --> 02:57:39,903
Everybody was grabbing
their joystick
3388
02:57:39,903 --> 02:57:40,990
and having a really good time.
3389
02:57:45,343 --> 02:57:48,519
There was this one game called
"Monster Party" for the NES.
3390
02:57:48,519 --> 02:57:51,000
And I can remember renting it
as a kid
3391
02:57:51,000 --> 02:57:54,004
and being really excited because
the box art was great on it.
3392
02:57:54,004 --> 02:57:55,831
It had all these
different monsters on it,
3393
02:57:55,831 --> 02:57:58,355
and I popped the game in
and was kind of disappointed
3394
02:57:58,355 --> 02:58:00,270
because it wasn't as good
as the box art.
3395
02:58:00,270 --> 02:58:01,794
It was an important lesson
I learned about
3396
02:58:01,794 --> 02:58:03,796
never judge a game
by its cover.
3397
02:58:07,364 --> 02:58:09,366
The interesting thing
about horror video games
3398
02:58:09,366 --> 02:58:11,369
is that I've watched
the graphics progress
3399
02:58:11,369 --> 02:58:14,154
to a point where they are able
to get more graphic,
3400
02:58:14,154 --> 02:58:17,026
and as a result, the games
became more controversial.
3401
02:58:17,026 --> 02:58:19,115
I remember hearing
controversies about "Doom,"
3402
02:58:19,115 --> 02:58:20,639
about "Resident Evil,"
3403
02:58:20,639 --> 02:58:22,118
even something like
"Mortal Kombat"
3404
02:58:22,118 --> 02:58:23,772
was a big deal when I was a kid.
3405
02:58:23,772 --> 02:58:26,296
And it was all because the
graphics had progressed
3406
02:58:26,296 --> 02:58:30,345
to a point where you could show
all these sort of graphic things
3407
02:58:30,345 --> 02:58:33,216
that you previously would have
only been able to see in movies,
3408
02:58:33,216 --> 02:58:35,740
that you could now see
in these games.
3409
02:58:35,740 --> 02:58:38,178
And a lot of parents groups
and politicians
3410
02:58:38,178 --> 02:58:39,571
did not like that.
3411
02:58:39,571 --> 02:58:42,226
You're engaged now
as the aggressor.
3412
02:58:42,226 --> 02:58:44,619
You're engaged as the person
who commits the violence
3413
02:58:44,619 --> 02:58:47,883
and not just someone
who watches the violence.
3414
02:58:47,883 --> 02:58:51,409
Trachenburg: "The Ghostbusters"
game for the Commodore 64,
3415
02:58:51,409 --> 02:58:55,631
you are the Ghostbusters and you
start off a lot like the movie.
3416
02:58:55,631 --> 02:58:58,894
You have to go and buy
all your different equipment.
3417
02:58:58,894 --> 02:59:00,766
You put it together,
and then you go out
3418
02:59:00,766 --> 02:59:03,812
and you hunt ghosts
in order to get enough money
3419
02:59:03,812 --> 02:59:07,643
to be able to get
to the finale of the game.
3420
02:59:10,688 --> 02:59:14,650
You would get in the Ecto-1,
you would drive to the location.
3421
02:59:16,259 --> 02:59:18,174
And there would be a ghost
3422
02:59:18,174 --> 02:59:20,785
that looked like Slimer
that's flying around.
3423
02:59:20,785 --> 02:59:24,486
And you have to position
your two Ghostbusters together
3424
02:59:24,486 --> 02:59:27,531
to trap the ghosts
in between the streams.
3425
02:59:27,531 --> 02:59:29,707
And then you can suck them up
in the trap.
3426
02:59:32,188 --> 02:59:35,496
Not really challenging, but fun.
3427
02:59:35,496 --> 02:59:37,411
Ghostbusters!
3428
02:59:39,239 --> 02:59:42,546
"Nightmare on Elm Street"
was one of the few NES games
3429
02:59:42,546 --> 02:59:44,418
where you could play
four players
3430
02:59:44,418 --> 02:59:47,422
using the NES Four Score.
3431
02:59:47,422 --> 02:59:48,813
You're running around
Elm Street,
3432
02:59:48,813 --> 02:59:50,815
which happens to be
the longest street
3433
02:59:50,815 --> 02:59:52,470
in the world in this game,
3434
02:59:52,470 --> 02:59:55,430
but the idea is to collect
all of Freddy's bones.
3435
02:59:55,430 --> 02:59:59,651
You have all these stock
villains like lollipop ghosts
3436
02:59:59,651 --> 03:00:01,653
with stick arms, bats,
3437
03:00:01,653 --> 03:00:04,221
skeletons,
Frankenstein monsters.
3438
03:00:04,221 --> 03:00:06,789
It's so generic.
3439
03:00:06,789 --> 03:00:09,052
Every once in a while,
Freddy would appear,
3440
03:00:09,052 --> 03:00:11,315
and it would say
"Freddy's coming,"
3441
03:00:11,315 --> 03:00:15,188
but it would be a "Freddy's --
trademark -- "coming."
3442
03:00:18,801 --> 03:00:20,977
"Friday the 13th" on NES
3443
03:00:20,977 --> 03:00:23,327
might have been one of the first
horror games I've ever played.
3444
03:00:23,327 --> 03:00:25,154
And there's a bunch of items
you have to collect
3445
03:00:25,154 --> 03:00:27,940
but you'll never have time
because this Jason alarm
3446
03:00:27,940 --> 03:00:29,637
keeps going off
and you have to keep on top
3447
03:00:29,637 --> 03:00:32,335
of he's out there killing
the camp counselors.
3448
03:00:32,335 --> 03:00:35,426
Then you go inside the house
and it switches to 3D,
3449
03:00:35,426 --> 03:00:37,167
which was kind of cool
at that time.
3450
03:00:37,167 --> 03:00:38,428
It was one of the first
horror games
3451
03:00:38,428 --> 03:00:40,170
that really made
an impression on me.
3452
03:00:42,520 --> 03:00:46,436
"You and your friends are dead.
Game over."
3453
03:00:46,436 --> 03:00:49,658
" That's kind of rough,
you know?
3454
03:00:49,658 --> 03:00:51,616
A lot of these games
don't really hold up,
3455
03:00:51,616 --> 03:00:54,705
but back then you used
your imagination.
3456
03:00:54,705 --> 03:00:57,142
And you made the best of it,
because that's all we had.
3457
03:00:57,142 --> 03:01:00,058
But we would have never imagined
that, you know,
3458
03:01:00,058 --> 03:01:02,974
all these decades later,
you get a real
3459
03:01:02,974 --> 03:01:05,630
"Friday the 13th" game that
definitely feels more official
3460
03:01:05,630 --> 03:01:07,327
than, you know,
the type of games
3461
03:01:07,327 --> 03:01:09,111
they would
usually put out in the '80s.
3462
03:01:13,724 --> 03:01:16,205
The "Friday the 13th" game,
3463
03:01:16,205 --> 03:01:20,166
as a player, you can play
as Jason, which is fun,
3464
03:01:20,166 --> 03:01:22,256
or as any of the victims,
3465
03:01:22,256 --> 03:01:24,780
trying to get away from Jason
or defeat Jason.
3466
03:01:24,780 --> 03:01:26,869
So I thought that was
an ingenious way
3467
03:01:26,869 --> 03:01:30,219
of building a video game.
3468
03:01:30,219 --> 03:01:32,309
In this video game,
you can play as
3469
03:01:32,309 --> 03:01:35,050
several different versions
of Jason.
3470
03:01:35,050 --> 03:01:37,661
I was honored that they
wanted me to be a part of it,
3471
03:01:37,661 --> 03:01:41,057
because this is animation,
basically,
3472
03:01:41,057 --> 03:01:42,927
so they could have used anyone.
3473
03:01:42,927 --> 03:01:46,280
But it was in their minds
I was the person to do it,
3474
03:01:46,280 --> 03:01:49,064
because they liked how I moved
as the character.
3475
03:01:52,154 --> 03:01:53,938
Savini:
"Friday the 13th" video game,
3476
03:01:53,938 --> 03:01:57,639
I essentially did what I did
on the movie,
3477
03:01:57,639 --> 03:02:00,511
except not physically, right.
3478
03:02:00,511 --> 03:02:03,296
My job was to sit down
and create kills.
3479
03:02:09,302 --> 03:02:13,480
On paper, they didn't seem
so horrible and grisly,
3480
03:02:13,480 --> 03:02:14,743
but then seeing him in a game
I was like
3481
03:02:14,743 --> 03:02:17,136
"Oh, God, you know,
I wrote that."
3482
03:02:21,139 --> 03:02:23,098
I created them on paper,
3483
03:02:23,098 --> 03:02:25,013
and then
Kane Hodder donned the suit
3484
03:02:25,013 --> 03:02:28,190
and did the motion capture
for all the kills.
3485
03:02:29,974 --> 03:02:33,283
You're wearing spandex,
which is scary to think of me
3486
03:02:33,283 --> 03:02:35,894
in spandex anyway,
with sensors everywhere.
3487
03:02:35,894 --> 03:02:38,114
So I'll look at the monitor,
I see Jason.
3488
03:02:38,114 --> 03:02:41,116
Whenever I would move I would
see exactly what the character
3489
03:02:41,116 --> 03:02:42,378
is gonna look like
in the game.
3490
03:02:44,293 --> 03:02:47,515
By the way, Kane Hodder
plays the game,
3491
03:02:47,515 --> 03:02:50,126
but he plays it
as a camp counselor
3492
03:02:50,126 --> 03:02:51,735
trying to outwit himself.
3493
03:02:51,735 --> 03:02:54,348
Is it's not as easy
as you would think.
3494
03:02:54,348 --> 03:02:58,699
And I played as a counselor,
trying to defeat Jason,
3495
03:02:58,699 --> 03:03:00,918
and I just got my ass whooped.
3496
03:03:03,094 --> 03:03:05,053
Eh, it's more fun
to be the bad guy.
3497
03:03:16,978 --> 03:03:20,504
Announcer: Harry Angel has been
hired to search for the truth.
3498
03:03:20,504 --> 03:03:22,898
Pray he doesn't find it.
3499
03:03:22,898 --> 03:03:25,769
"Angel Heart" was another one
of those "Exorcist,"
3500
03:03:25,769 --> 03:03:28,337
"Rosemary's Baby"
kind of movies.
3501
03:03:28,337 --> 03:03:29,948
I think it's completely
underrated.
3502
03:03:29,948 --> 03:03:32,167
I think it's one
of Alan Parker's,
3503
03:03:32,167 --> 03:03:35,127
who directed, I think
it's one of his best ever.
3504
03:03:35,127 --> 03:03:36,737
A guy making a deal
3505
03:03:36,737 --> 03:03:40,131
with the devil not really
knowing it's the devil.
3506
03:03:40,131 --> 03:03:43,221
It's funny I have a feeling
I've met you before.
3507
03:03:43,221 --> 03:03:45,398
I don't know,
I don't think so.
3508
03:03:45,398 --> 03:03:47,922
Mickey Rourke is terrific in it,
De Niro is terrific in it,
3509
03:03:47,922 --> 03:03:51,143
and it's great to see them
operating together.
3510
03:03:51,143 --> 03:03:52,622
How terrible is wisdom
3511
03:03:52,622 --> 03:03:55,712
when it brings
no profit to the wise, Johnny.
3512
03:03:55,712 --> 03:03:58,193
That was one of the attractions
of it, was we get to see
3513
03:03:58,193 --> 03:04:01,892
Lisa Bonet, the Cosby kid
as a little sexpot.
3514
03:04:01,892 --> 03:04:03,286
So, the gods
got you pregnant?
3515
03:04:03,286 --> 03:04:04,852
-Yeah.
-I understand that.
3516
03:04:04,852 --> 03:04:06,723
-Sorry.
3517
03:04:06,723 --> 03:04:09,422
I'm not, it was the best fuck
I ever had.
3518
03:04:09,422 --> 03:04:10,988
Very much about the '80s,
3519
03:04:10,988 --> 03:04:13,121
very much
about behaving yourself
3520
03:04:13,121 --> 03:04:16,603
and not being as decadent
and horrible and cruel
3521
03:04:16,603 --> 03:04:18,474
and awful to people as --
3522
03:04:18,474 --> 03:04:22,739
as the '80s allowed you to be,
seemed to be in fashion then.
3523
03:04:22,739 --> 03:04:25,568
De Niro has this
spectacular moment.
3524
03:04:25,568 --> 03:04:30,660
He's talking about the an egg as
sort of a metaphor for the soul.
3525
03:04:30,660 --> 03:04:34,186
You know, some religions think
that the egg
3526
03:04:34,186 --> 03:04:36,624
is the symbol of the soul.
Did you know that?
3527
03:04:36,624 --> 03:04:39,147
And at the end of
this beautiful speech,
3528
03:04:39,147 --> 03:04:42,019
takes a big honkin' bite
out of the egg,
3529
03:04:42,019 --> 03:04:45,501
just big teeth
and everything right into it.
3530
03:04:51,464 --> 03:04:53,683
It's De Niro as
you've never seen him,
3531
03:04:53,683 --> 03:04:56,860
or seen him before since.
3532
03:04:56,860 --> 03:04:59,515
He's going down
the elevator at the end
3533
03:04:59,515 --> 03:05:01,648
and descending into hell
3534
03:05:01,648 --> 03:05:03,737
and not having
any choice about it.
3535
03:05:03,737 --> 03:05:07,089
It's a great horrible
cautionary tale as well.
3536
03:05:07,089 --> 03:05:08,481
But boy, oh boy.
3537
03:05:08,481 --> 03:05:10,352
Only the soul is immortal.
3538
03:05:12,659 --> 03:05:14,965
Yours belongs to me.
3539
03:05:21,798 --> 03:05:24,192
Announcer: The scares comes
twice as quickly in...
3540
03:05:24,192 --> 03:05:25,977
I...beat...you.
3541
03:05:27,804 --> 03:05:29,719
Announcer: ..."Creepshow 2."
3542
03:05:29,719 --> 03:05:32,113
"Creepshow 1" was such a success
3543
03:05:32,113 --> 03:05:34,463
that they of course
had to put out a sequel,
3544
03:05:34,463 --> 03:05:37,466
"Creepshow 2" was not
as memorable as the first
3545
03:05:37,466 --> 03:05:39,991
but it did have some
very memorable segments.
3546
03:05:42,036 --> 03:05:45,083
So here we were, you know,
in Arizona, you know,
3547
03:05:45,083 --> 03:05:46,649
doing another "Creepshow."
3548
03:05:46,649 --> 03:05:48,259
Mike Gornick directed it.
3549
03:05:48,259 --> 03:05:49,913
I love being with Mike Gornick.
3550
03:05:49,913 --> 03:05:51,349
I might have been
a little miffed
3551
03:05:51,349 --> 03:05:54,397
that I wasn't asked to do
the effects on it,
3552
03:05:54,397 --> 03:05:58,967
and I think their intention
was to save money or something,
3553
03:05:58,967 --> 03:06:00,445
then they offered me
the role of the creep.
3554
03:06:00,445 --> 03:06:02,186
Okay, great, you know, so.
3555
03:06:02,186 --> 03:06:04,058
And I, you know, I just mimed
that whole thing,
3556
03:06:04,058 --> 03:06:05,581
the dialogue was recorded.
3557
03:06:05,581 --> 03:06:09,629
I never seen anyone
so impatient, Billy.
3558
03:06:09,629 --> 03:06:11,195
In fact,
when I played the creep,
3559
03:06:11,195 --> 03:06:14,068
I insisted that
when my scene was over,
3560
03:06:14,068 --> 03:06:17,071
I must immediately have
the makeup removed
3561
03:06:17,071 --> 03:06:18,333
and walk into a shower.
3562
03:06:18,333 --> 03:06:19,726
Hey, kids.
3563
03:06:19,726 --> 03:06:22,119
My nightmares involve
being sticky.
3564
03:06:22,119 --> 03:06:23,730
I can't be sticky.
3565
03:06:23,730 --> 03:06:27,081
So wearing that makeup
is the stickiest feel.
3566
03:06:27,081 --> 03:06:29,213
I hate wearing it, but it's good
that I have worn it
3567
03:06:29,213 --> 03:06:30,519
because I know
what I'm doing to people
3568
03:06:30,519 --> 03:06:32,042
when I put it on them, okay.
3569
03:06:32,042 --> 03:06:37,657
I never seen anyone
so impatient, Billy.
3570
03:06:37,657 --> 03:06:41,182
Anthologies are hard.
They're a hard sell.
3571
03:06:41,182 --> 03:06:44,402
Because if you had a story that
was good enough for a movie,
3572
03:06:44,402 --> 03:06:47,014
you'd make a whole movie
about it.
3573
03:06:47,014 --> 03:06:49,233
Starts off with of course,
the wooden Indian,
3574
03:06:49,233 --> 03:06:52,672
the old trope
of the kind store owners
3575
03:06:52,672 --> 03:06:54,717
that are elderly get,
you know, beat up
3576
03:06:54,717 --> 03:06:58,765
and killed by these creeps
that are robbing the store.
3577
03:06:58,765 --> 03:07:01,898
And then of course,
the wooden Indian outside turns
3578
03:07:01,898 --> 03:07:03,770
real and murders
these three kids.
3579
03:07:07,425 --> 03:07:08,644
Then we get to "The Raft,"
which is great.
3580
03:07:08,644 --> 03:07:10,515
They did a great job of it.
3581
03:07:10,515 --> 03:07:13,214
It's a creepy story about four
friends who swim out to a raft
3582
03:07:13,214 --> 03:07:16,173
and then this giant oil slick
that's living
3583
03:07:16,173 --> 03:07:19,133
and has magical powers that can
mesmerize you, kills them all.
3584
03:07:25,487 --> 03:07:27,271
It's one of my wife's
favorite movies
3585
03:07:27,271 --> 03:07:29,534
but when I say to her, "you know
that was just a big garbage"
3586
03:07:29,534 --> 03:07:31,058
but no, no, no, no,
she doesn't want to hear
3587
03:07:31,058 --> 03:07:32,625
about the effects, okay.
3588
03:07:35,062 --> 03:07:40,067
The creature in the lake, using
ultra slime and tinted metacil
3589
03:07:40,067 --> 03:07:41,372
and all this kind of stuff.
3590
03:07:41,372 --> 03:07:43,592
This sequence where
Page Hannah is --
3591
03:07:43,592 --> 03:07:45,072
is attacked by the creature,
3592
03:07:45,072 --> 03:07:46,464
we had a bunch
of different gags.
3593
03:07:46,464 --> 03:07:48,597
we had an arm prosthetic
that I sculpted
3594
03:07:48,597 --> 03:07:50,165
with bladders underneath it,
3595
03:07:50,165 --> 03:07:53,776
and then we built
these different versions of her
3596
03:07:53,776 --> 03:07:58,128
sort of melted as the blob
is kind of enveloping her.
3597
03:08:01,175 --> 03:08:03,786
One of the funniest moments
of that
3598
03:08:03,786 --> 03:08:06,834
was we were prepping
for Chief Wooden Head,
3599
03:08:06,834 --> 03:08:09,662
and Howard Berger had called and
said, "We need slime.
3600
03:08:09,662 --> 03:08:12,273
We were shooting another shot
and we're out of slime."
3601
03:08:13,796 --> 03:08:15,798
I was like driving
like 50 miles an hour,
3602
03:08:15,798 --> 03:08:18,453
60 miles an hour
on these side streets.
3603
03:08:18,453 --> 03:08:21,151
And I turned a corner and one of
the buckets in the back seat
3604
03:08:21,151 --> 03:08:23,153
spilled .
3605
03:08:23,153 --> 03:08:24,807
And I looked at down at my feet
3606
03:08:24,807 --> 03:08:27,810
and this black sludge
went up underneath the seat,
3607
03:08:27,810 --> 03:08:30,857
my foot's now stuck
to the gas pedal and the brake.
3608
03:08:30,857 --> 03:08:32,989
So we were literally
scooping it out
3609
03:08:32,989 --> 03:08:34,643
and running to dress the set.
3610
03:08:34,643 --> 03:08:36,863
I beat you!
3611
03:08:38,081 --> 03:08:39,604
It's always tough to do a sequel
3612
03:08:39,604 --> 03:08:42,999
I think, and particularly
an anthological sequel
3613
03:08:42,999 --> 03:08:45,393
because the expectations
are already high,
3614
03:08:45,393 --> 03:08:48,352
because of how well
the first "Creepshow" did
3615
03:08:48,352 --> 03:08:50,877
and how much
it connected with fans.
3616
03:08:52,095 --> 03:08:53,923
It was missing that spark.
3617
03:08:53,923 --> 03:08:57,492
It tries, but I don't think
it nearly reaches the heights
3618
03:08:57,492 --> 03:08:58,928
that "Creepshow 1" did.
3619
03:08:58,928 --> 03:09:00,495
No.
3620
03:09:11,071 --> 03:09:12,812
Announcer: The "Blood Diner."
3621
03:09:12,812 --> 03:09:14,335
First they greet you...
3622
03:09:14,335 --> 03:09:16,119
then they eat you.
3623
03:09:16,119 --> 03:09:18,861
No one under 17 admitted.
3624
03:09:18,861 --> 03:09:21,603
And what's great about horror is
you can make social commentary
3625
03:09:21,603 --> 03:09:24,519
while entertaining people
on this roller coaster ride.
3626
03:09:24,519 --> 03:09:26,608
You're not gonna
sit there passively
3627
03:09:26,608 --> 03:09:28,697
in a Jackie Kong movie,
for sure.
3628
03:09:28,697 --> 03:09:30,307
What's the story
of "Blood Diner"?
3629
03:09:30,307 --> 03:09:34,355
Blood Diner is family loyalty
gone wrong.
3630
03:09:34,355 --> 03:09:36,009
They love their uncle.
3631
03:09:36,009 --> 03:09:39,055
The problem is the uncle
is a psychopath serial killer.
3632
03:09:42,929 --> 03:09:45,148
The script was serious
as a heart attack.
3633
03:09:45,148 --> 03:09:47,977
From what I understood,
it was a scene by scene rip-off
3634
03:09:47,977 --> 03:09:49,239
of "Blood Feast."
3635
03:09:49,239 --> 03:09:50,937
Herschel Gordon Lewis's
execution
3636
03:09:50,937 --> 03:09:55,419
is a completely different
execution of what I did.
3637
03:09:55,419 --> 03:09:57,421
"Blood Diner"
transcends the genre.
3638
03:10:00,337 --> 03:10:02,644
Ah.
3639
03:10:02,644 --> 03:10:06,082
I had the killers being
extremely likable guys.
3640
03:10:06,082 --> 03:10:07,431
It was not scripted that way.
3641
03:10:07,431 --> 03:10:08,737
It was scripted they were
supposed to be
3642
03:10:08,737 --> 03:10:10,608
these ghoulish
brothers that go around,
3643
03:10:10,608 --> 03:10:12,915
you could see them
a mile away coming,
3644
03:10:12,915 --> 03:10:15,700
and they kill people and stitch
together this female
3645
03:10:15,700 --> 03:10:18,834
Frankenstein in the back
of their popular
3646
03:10:18,834 --> 03:10:21,619
restaurant
3647
03:10:21,619 --> 03:10:27,147
The idea of reanimating family
members brain and having
3648
03:10:27,147 --> 03:10:32,152
that brain tell you to commit
mass homicide, was so out there.
3649
03:10:32,152 --> 03:10:36,330
You, my nephews, must construct
Sheetar from the body parts
3650
03:10:36,330 --> 03:10:38,027
of many immoral girls.
3651
03:10:38,027 --> 03:10:42,118
It's really misguided family
loyalty at its extreme.
3652
03:10:42,118 --> 03:10:43,772
I wanted to shock people.
3653
03:10:45,818 --> 03:10:47,384
Am I doing this right,
Uncle Anwar?
3654
03:10:47,384 --> 03:10:48,951
I was just having fun.
3655
03:10:48,951 --> 03:10:51,214
It doesn't bother me
to have a naked woman
3656
03:10:51,214 --> 03:10:54,261
doing nude aerobics
because I'm a woman.
3657
03:10:56,002 --> 03:10:57,264
A nude kung fu scene?
3658
03:10:57,264 --> 03:10:58,787
No one had ever done that.
3659
03:10:58,787 --> 03:11:00,136
I had to do that.
3660
03:11:00,136 --> 03:11:03,009
And why did I do that?
3661
03:11:03,009 --> 03:11:06,969
She's completely nude,
full bush.
3662
03:11:06,969 --> 03:11:11,495
I wanted her to be naked because
I wanted her to look vulnerable.
3663
03:11:11,495 --> 03:11:14,716
You think it's an easy kill
for sure, and that's when the --
3664
03:11:14,716 --> 03:11:17,719
where the surprise comes in.
3665
03:11:17,719 --> 03:11:20,113
And my job as the director
is to throw them off
3666
03:11:20,113 --> 03:11:21,636
in the head another direction.
3667
03:11:21,636 --> 03:11:23,638
The people that I work with,
my actors
3668
03:11:23,638 --> 03:11:27,642
and my crew don't have a problem
at all working with a woman.
3669
03:11:27,642 --> 03:11:30,253
Where you run into the problems
are with the executives,
3670
03:11:30,253 --> 03:11:32,299
there was a disconnect.
3671
03:11:32,299 --> 03:11:36,172
How could this little
Asian young woman
3672
03:11:36,172 --> 03:11:39,088
direct this outrageous
off the hook,
3673
03:11:39,088 --> 03:11:42,091
violent movie, right?
3674
03:11:42,091 --> 03:11:45,181
Funny, ridiculous
absurdist piece.
3675
03:11:45,181 --> 03:11:46,617
Hey, hey!
3676
03:11:49,316 --> 03:11:50,970
Things haven't
changed that much.
3677
03:11:50,970 --> 03:11:52,710
It's not a contest.
3678
03:11:52,710 --> 03:11:55,191
It's really isn't, it just is
who's qualified to do it,
3679
03:11:55,191 --> 03:11:56,627
and I bring attention to that.
3680
03:11:57,933 --> 03:11:59,848
Bastards!
You goddamn fickle bastards!
3681
03:11:59,848 --> 03:12:01,110
You'll pay for this!
3682
03:12:01,110 --> 03:12:03,591
My sets look like
the United Nations
3683
03:12:03,591 --> 03:12:05,114
Okay.
3684
03:12:05,114 --> 03:12:08,422
You've got every possible
nationality working,
3685
03:12:08,422 --> 03:12:11,904
and you've got half of the crew,
if not more, women.
3686
03:12:11,904 --> 03:12:14,515
And that's why you see
a big representation
3687
03:12:14,515 --> 03:12:15,820
of different ethnicities,
3688
03:12:15,820 --> 03:12:17,648
because that's the way
I saw the world.
3689
03:12:17,648 --> 03:12:19,476
Jesus fucking Christ,
what am I paying you two for?
3690
03:12:19,476 --> 03:12:23,393
The way I saw that finale
was like a war scene.
3691
03:12:25,047 --> 03:12:27,180
It was an insane undertaking,
3692
03:12:27,180 --> 03:12:30,923
but Sheetar bites that head off
of a virgin
3693
03:12:30,923 --> 03:12:34,230
with her giant vagina
3694
03:12:34,230 --> 03:12:38,017
with teeth in a ritual that
brings her to life, how absurd.
3695
03:12:40,454 --> 03:12:42,238
Censors were shutting it down.
3696
03:12:42,238 --> 03:12:45,241
They said it had no socially
redeeming values whatsoever.
3697
03:12:47,765 --> 03:12:49,767
It just was misunderstood,
the film,
3698
03:12:49,767 --> 03:12:51,508
and it was way
ahead of its time.
3699
03:12:51,508 --> 03:12:55,034
Yet I found my followers.
3700
03:12:55,034 --> 03:12:57,687
Right before I stick
my big sausage in you,
3701
03:12:57,687 --> 03:12:59,299
what do they call 'ya?
3702
03:12:59,299 --> 03:13:02,215
They call me Sheetar .
3703
03:13:11,919 --> 03:13:15,010
Announcer: "Hello Mary Lou:
Prom Night II."
3704
03:13:15,010 --> 03:13:16,751
"Hello Mary Lou: Prom Night II"
3705
03:13:16,751 --> 03:13:21,538
is about this really
awesome chick living in the '50s
3706
03:13:21,538 --> 03:13:23,583
who is ahead of her time.
3707
03:13:23,583 --> 03:13:27,718
She loves to party and have sex
with many, many boys
3708
03:13:27,718 --> 03:13:30,983
and finds herself murdered
3709
03:13:30,983 --> 03:13:33,201
as she's supposed
to be coronated
3710
03:13:33,201 --> 03:13:35,334
by one of those boys
that she had scorned.
3711
03:13:40,905 --> 03:13:42,951
And she comes back
to wreak havoc
3712
03:13:42,951 --> 03:13:44,735
and take her revenge
and get her crown back.
3713
03:13:47,869 --> 03:13:50,654
Nobile: She's presented as this
sort of slutty character.
3714
03:13:50,654 --> 03:13:52,133
In the '80s,
we would say slutty,
3715
03:13:52,133 --> 03:13:53,918
but really what that means
3716
03:13:53,918 --> 03:13:55,964
is that she sort of owns
her sexuality.
3717
03:13:55,964 --> 03:13:59,576
It's not who you come with,
it's who takes you home.
3718
03:13:59,576 --> 03:14:01,013
Scram.
3719
03:14:01,013 --> 03:14:03,884
Mary Lou Maloney is my favorite,
3720
03:14:03,884 --> 03:14:07,541
I literally have the poster
hanging over my bed.
3721
03:14:07,541 --> 03:14:09,760
She just was definitely somebody
I looked up to
3722
03:14:09,760 --> 03:14:12,328
when I was little,
like she's just sexually open
3723
03:14:12,328 --> 03:14:14,330
and not apologizing for it.
3724
03:14:14,330 --> 03:14:16,985
And I don't know, and then
her kills were really cool.
3725
03:14:24,862 --> 03:14:27,256
It was a Canadian film
that has nothing to do
3726
03:14:27,256 --> 03:14:28,866
with the original "Prom Night."
3727
03:14:28,866 --> 03:14:30,651
The queer audience
has gotten really,
3728
03:14:30,651 --> 03:14:32,696
really excited about
"Hello Mary Lou."
3729
03:14:32,696 --> 03:14:34,393
It resonates for them in a way
3730
03:14:34,393 --> 03:14:37,091
that a lot of other
'80s Films don't.
3731
03:14:37,091 --> 03:14:38,876
It's got a sort of a coding
that they have
3732
03:14:38,876 --> 03:14:40,139
embraced and mapped to.
3733
03:14:40,139 --> 03:14:41,661
We've come a very long way
3734
03:14:41,661 --> 03:14:44,752
in how we think
about that kind of agency
3735
03:14:44,752 --> 03:14:47,450
and about how we judge
that kind of behavior.
3736
03:14:47,450 --> 03:14:49,016
I think her whole situation
is absorbed
3737
03:14:49,016 --> 03:14:50,627
by a contemporary audience
in a way
3738
03:14:50,627 --> 03:14:54,805
that '80s audiences
weren't ready to do, or willing.
3739
03:14:54,805 --> 03:14:58,025
See you later, alligator.
3740
03:15:11,822 --> 03:15:14,781
"Prince of Darkness" is a movie
that shows what happens
3741
03:15:14,781 --> 03:15:17,828
when John Carpenter
gets experimental.
3742
03:15:20,309 --> 03:15:22,442
Jesus Christ!
3743
03:15:22,442 --> 03:15:24,486
It goes straight
for the cerebral
3744
03:15:24,486 --> 03:15:27,621
but then it goes for a lot of
the traditional blood and guts
3745
03:15:27,621 --> 03:15:29,710
that you would expect
in a Carpenter film.
3746
03:15:33,539 --> 03:15:36,281
I decided I wanted to make some
low budget movies again
3747
03:15:36,281 --> 03:15:38,806
after
"Big Trouble Little China."
3748
03:15:38,806 --> 03:15:40,676
"Prince of Darkness"
was the first one.
3749
03:15:42,549 --> 03:15:46,770
It was inspired
by Dario Argento's "Inferno,"
3750
03:15:46,770 --> 03:15:48,511
because he just did things
crazy --
3751
03:15:48,511 --> 03:15:51,949
these crazy batshit things,
and I thought, "Let's go.
3752
03:15:51,949 --> 03:15:53,908
Let's try it."
3753
03:15:53,908 --> 03:15:58,304
The cast in this is one of the
most diverse casts of the '80s,
3754
03:15:58,304 --> 03:16:02,133
but Carpenter has said he didn't
cast them to be diverse.
3755
03:16:02,133 --> 03:16:06,572
He cast them because they were
the best choices for the roles.
3756
03:16:06,572 --> 03:16:08,183
Is there some reason
why you're not telling us
3757
03:16:08,183 --> 03:16:09,880
what we're going
to be doing?
3758
03:16:09,880 --> 03:16:11,446
In time.
3759
03:16:11,446 --> 03:16:13,449
I wanted to work
with Victor Wong
3760
03:16:13,449 --> 03:16:15,625
and Dennis Dun again,
3761
03:16:15,625 --> 03:16:17,758
and I cast Donald Pleasance.
3762
03:16:17,758 --> 03:16:21,501
I thought what a really
interesting cast in this.
3763
03:16:21,501 --> 03:16:22,806
What is it?
3764
03:16:25,852 --> 03:16:28,682
A secret that can
no longer be kept.
3765
03:16:28,682 --> 03:16:30,596
"Prince of Darkness"
features Alice Cooper
3766
03:16:30,596 --> 03:16:32,859
as one of the controlled
homeless people,
3767
03:16:32,859 --> 03:16:34,470
and Alice was a nice guy.
3768
03:16:34,470 --> 03:16:37,385
He brought along the gag
where he stabs the guy.
3769
03:16:37,385 --> 03:16:39,735
It was from his stage show.
3770
03:16:39,735 --> 03:16:43,349
He just kind of wanders
up on him, very unassuming.
3771
03:16:43,349 --> 03:16:45,742
And then all of a sudden
.
3772
03:16:47,875 --> 03:16:50,747
He is a member
of the homeless community.
3773
03:16:50,747 --> 03:16:54,664
He has been possessed
by the devil's particle,
3774
03:16:54,664 --> 03:16:57,885
whatever you want to call it,
the evil.
3775
03:16:57,885 --> 03:16:59,843
And he is now the goalie.
3776
03:16:59,843 --> 03:17:01,366
He's keeping people
in
3777
03:17:01,366 --> 03:17:03,629
or killing them
as they come out.
3778
03:17:08,590 --> 03:17:12,160
Carpenter, as he does,
masterfully balanced two things.
3779
03:17:12,160 --> 03:17:17,165
In this, it was the war
of science and religion.
3780
03:17:17,165 --> 03:17:19,906
You have science where
they're talking about
3781
03:17:19,906 --> 03:17:22,083
black holes and particles,
3782
03:17:22,083 --> 03:17:26,435
and you have religion
where the son of the anti-God
3783
03:17:26,435 --> 03:17:29,263
is being held in a chamber
in a church.
3784
03:17:29,263 --> 03:17:33,660
Every particle
has an anti-particle,
3785
03:17:33,660 --> 03:17:35,183
its mirror image.
3786
03:17:35,183 --> 03:17:36,966
Maybe he's anti-God.
3787
03:17:36,966 --> 03:17:39,709
The fact that they never
really come out
3788
03:17:39,709 --> 03:17:42,146
and say it's the devil
is genius.
3789
03:17:44,801 --> 03:17:46,890
They found the God Particle.
3790
03:17:46,890 --> 03:17:48,804
Where's
the devil's particle?
3791
03:17:48,804 --> 03:17:52,548
And that I think is where
Prince of Darkness comes in.
3792
03:17:52,548 --> 03:17:56,422
That tells you how relevant
that movie is today.
3793
03:17:56,422 --> 03:17:59,251
No person can hold him now.
3794
03:18:04,777 --> 03:18:08,695
I am...
3795
03:18:08,695 --> 03:18:10,479
eternal.
3796
03:18:10,479 --> 03:18:15,223
Freddie's personality was
being quoted by Johnny Carson.
3797
03:18:15,223 --> 03:18:18,531
It was in Mad Magazine,
it was in the funny papers,
3798
03:18:18,531 --> 03:18:21,446
it was being merchandised.
3799
03:18:21,446 --> 03:18:23,883
When you become that part
of the culture,
3800
03:18:23,883 --> 03:18:25,494
you follow it a little bit.
3801
03:18:25,494 --> 03:18:29,672
So the franchise exploited
Freddie's sense of humor,
3802
03:18:29,672 --> 03:18:33,022
This- isn't helping.
3803
03:18:33,022 --> 03:18:37,637
And a kind of almost surreal,
subconscious,
3804
03:18:37,637 --> 03:18:41,597
dreamlike sense of fun
and revenge
3805
03:18:41,597 --> 03:18:43,817
that Freddy was going through
with the culture
3806
03:18:43,817 --> 03:18:45,339
at the same time.
3807
03:18:45,339 --> 03:18:47,994
The Freddy merchandising
now it --
3808
03:18:47,994 --> 03:18:49,344
there's something
new every week.
3809
03:18:49,344 --> 03:18:50,737
Literally.
3810
03:18:50,737 --> 03:18:53,653
It's just amazing,
the amount of stuff,
3811
03:18:53,653 --> 03:18:58,310
from pencil sharpeners
to squirt guns.
3812
03:18:58,310 --> 03:19:01,399
There's silly stuff,
there's corny stuff.
3813
03:19:01,399 --> 03:19:05,447
I love finding old, like,
board games from Europe,
3814
03:19:05,447 --> 03:19:08,407
you know, and things like that
are fun for me to see them.
3815
03:19:08,407 --> 03:19:11,322
I love the foreign posters,
3816
03:19:11,322 --> 03:19:13,933
like the one over my shoulder
here, that's from Thailand.
3817
03:19:13,933 --> 03:19:15,674
Because they're more lurid.
3818
03:19:15,674 --> 03:19:19,983
I didn't suffer the curse
of typecasting or and -- and --
3819
03:19:19,983 --> 03:19:22,942
and when I did,
I was prepared for it.
3820
03:19:22,942 --> 03:19:25,336
I wasn't going
to be surprised by it,
3821
03:19:25,336 --> 03:19:26,903
and I'd already proved myself.
3822
03:19:26,903 --> 03:19:30,645
Let me go! .
3823
03:19:30,645 --> 03:19:34,128
Hey, hands on the counter,
asshole!
3824
03:19:34,128 --> 03:19:36,956
It was a big deal to decide
to be an actor
3825
03:19:36,956 --> 03:19:38,654
or a musician back
when I was a kid.
3826
03:19:38,654 --> 03:19:40,395
It was like a big deal.
3827
03:19:40,395 --> 03:19:43,572
My generation, God, you know,
you can be an engineer,
3828
03:19:43,572 --> 03:19:45,487
or you can be a doctor
or a lawyer,
3829
03:19:45,487 --> 03:19:46,792
but that was it.
3830
03:19:46,792 --> 03:19:48,620
That's what you're
supposed to be.
3831
03:19:48,620 --> 03:19:52,451
I did Shakespeare, was paid
for it professionally, union.
3832
03:19:52,451 --> 03:19:54,277
Moliere.
3833
03:19:54,277 --> 03:19:56,671
I did George Bernard Shaw.
3834
03:19:56,671 --> 03:19:58,194
I did Arthur Miller.
3835
03:19:58,194 --> 03:19:59,675
I just love doing it.
3836
03:19:59,675 --> 03:20:01,328
I was trained to do that,
3837
03:20:01,328 --> 03:20:02,722
and I was getting good parts,
3838
03:20:02,722 --> 03:20:04,941
and I was predominantly
doing comedy.
3839
03:20:04,941 --> 03:20:09,206
So most of my memory of theaters
about getting that laugh.
3840
03:20:09,206 --> 03:20:16,213
1973 till 1983 I was not only
an established
3841
03:20:16,213 --> 03:20:21,523
Hollywood character actor,
sidekick, co-star,
3842
03:20:21,523 --> 03:20:25,962
I side kicked
all of the big stars,
3843
03:20:25,962 --> 03:20:27,573
and then I moved
into television.
3844
03:20:27,573 --> 03:20:30,140
And I played bad guys,
and I played --
3845
03:20:30,140 --> 03:20:31,358
I've been playing
a lot of Southerners.
3846
03:20:31,358 --> 03:20:33,187
I don't know why.
3847
03:20:33,187 --> 03:20:35,537
I guess I'd learned something
doing "Tennessee Williams,"
3848
03:20:35,537 --> 03:20:37,104
but that's how Hollywood
saw me.
3849
03:20:37,104 --> 03:20:39,585
Hey, quit stalling, will 'ya!
3850
03:20:39,585 --> 03:20:43,022
Just because you know
you've got a great hand.
3851
03:20:43,022 --> 03:20:44,241
.
3852
03:20:44,241 --> 03:20:45,459
I was on "Manimal."
3853
03:20:45,459 --> 03:20:47,419
I do know that for the fan boys
3854
03:20:47,419 --> 03:20:53,336
it did become, like, a kind of
suspension bridge of obsession.
3855
03:20:53,336 --> 03:20:56,340
You know, with werewolf effects.
3856
03:20:56,340 --> 03:20:59,647
A show like "Manimal"
is a link in that genre,
3857
03:20:59,647 --> 03:21:03,043
and it deserves
its asterisk, you know,
3858
03:21:03,043 --> 03:21:06,220
and I deserve
my residual check .
3859
03:21:10,616 --> 03:21:11,877
And then "V."
3860
03:21:11,877 --> 03:21:14,270
I am just...
3861
03:21:14,270 --> 03:21:16,316
Just what?
Yes.
3862
03:21:16,316 --> 03:21:19,450
Oh, get out of the way,
damn stupid alien.
3863
03:21:19,450 --> 03:21:22,454
I do "V," and I've tapped into
the great science fiction
3864
03:21:22,454 --> 03:21:26,065
Zeitgeist of the world,
not just America.
3865
03:21:26,065 --> 03:21:28,110
Then our movie
became a big hit,
3866
03:21:28,110 --> 03:21:29,504
and I was off.
3867
03:21:29,504 --> 03:21:32,898
This is God.
3868
03:21:35,030 --> 03:21:37,990
Our budgets are getting a little
bit bigger for each movie,
3869
03:21:37,990 --> 03:21:40,514
but time got precious.
3870
03:21:40,514 --> 03:21:42,211
Not shooting.
3871
03:21:42,211 --> 03:21:45,738
We never were rush shooting,
but post.
3872
03:21:45,738 --> 03:21:49,045
We would be shooting a movie,
3873
03:21:49,045 --> 03:21:52,832
and they would rely too much
on the Freddy jokes.
3874
03:21:52,832 --> 03:21:55,182
I could -- I would have an
option sometimes.
3875
03:21:55,182 --> 03:21:57,750
A scene would end with me
doing a joke
3876
03:21:57,750 --> 03:22:00,187
or a wisecrack
or a kind of Dirty Harry
3877
03:22:00,187 --> 03:22:01,579
make my day line.
3878
03:22:01,579 --> 03:22:02,929
Sorry, kid.
3879
03:22:02,929 --> 03:22:05,192
I don't believe
in fairy tales.
3880
03:22:09,631 --> 03:22:11,677
And sometimes I would
just do it without the line.
3881
03:22:15,984 --> 03:22:18,204
And sometimes I do it
and just do it a little darker.
3882
03:22:18,204 --> 03:22:20,641
But when you're editing,
3883
03:22:20,641 --> 03:22:23,252
that line becomes
your punctuation point,
3884
03:22:23,252 --> 03:22:27,648
it becomes your button that can,
you know, button up the scene
3885
03:22:27,648 --> 03:22:30,085
and give it a little
percussive rimshot.
3886
03:22:30,085 --> 03:22:33,176
So they erred
in that direction a bit.
3887
03:22:33,176 --> 03:22:34,699
Krueger!
3888
03:22:34,699 --> 03:22:36,657
Well, it ain't Dr. Seuss.
3889
03:22:36,657 --> 03:22:40,096
"Wes Craven's New Nightmare"
is a great film,
3890
03:22:40,096 --> 03:22:41,967
and the most popular of all
the nightmare films
3891
03:22:41,967 --> 03:22:44,404
in the franchise
is "Nightmare 3."
3892
03:22:47,626 --> 03:22:49,541
There's room for more.
3893
03:22:49,541 --> 03:22:51,716
Gaston Leroux,
"Phantom of the Opera""
3894
03:22:51,716 --> 03:22:56,285
was the Stephen King
cheap thrill story of its time.
3895
03:22:56,285 --> 03:22:57,374
A Penny Dreadful.
3896
03:22:57,374 --> 03:22:59,202
"Give me a penny mate.
3897
03:22:59,202 --> 03:23:01,029
I'll give you
something dreadful."
3898
03:23:01,029 --> 03:23:03,772
Still hungry
for an introduction?
3899
03:23:03,772 --> 03:23:07,470
We delivered the goods
on our "Phantom of the Opera."
3900
03:23:07,470 --> 03:23:09,386
The director Dwight Little and I
3901
03:23:09,386 --> 03:23:13,565
were kind of simultaneously
inspiring each other
3902
03:23:13,565 --> 03:23:17,742
to be on the same page,
with this sort of homage,
3903
03:23:17,742 --> 03:23:20,223
to the Hammer film,
3904
03:23:20,223 --> 03:23:23,357
which is why we transported
our "Phantom of the Opera""
3905
03:23:23,357 --> 03:23:27,099
from the Paris Opera
of the 1890s
3906
03:23:27,099 --> 03:23:30,625
to the 1890s of London
of "Jack the Ripper,"
3907
03:23:30,625 --> 03:23:34,280
and the sets are scrumptious
and romantic,
3908
03:23:34,280 --> 03:23:36,805
and Stephanie Lawrence,
3909
03:23:36,805 --> 03:23:40,678
from Evita on the West End
playing our diva.
3910
03:23:40,678 --> 03:23:42,593
Bill Nighy.
3911
03:23:48,076 --> 03:23:49,948
"A bit of blood
and guts here."
3912
03:23:49,948 --> 03:23:52,124
But we're also doing
the romantics
3913
03:23:52,124 --> 03:23:55,649
sumptuous on location richness.
3914
03:23:55,649 --> 03:23:56,998
So it was great fun.
3915
03:24:00,786 --> 03:24:03,875
But the other real
selling point for me
3916
03:24:03,875 --> 03:24:08,445
on "Phantom of the Opera"
was there was two scripts.
3917
03:24:08,445 --> 03:24:11,578
There was this
second script called
3918
03:24:11,578 --> 03:24:13,449
"The Phantom of Manhattan,"
3919
03:24:13,449 --> 03:24:15,800
and it's ultra romantic.
3920
03:24:15,800 --> 03:24:19,587
And of course that attracted me
to play the romance of it.
3921
03:24:19,587 --> 03:24:22,676
The fans of not only
"Phantom of Opera,"
3922
03:24:22,676 --> 03:24:24,461
but my fans from Freddy,
3923
03:24:24,461 --> 03:24:28,944
there's a huge kind of strange
goth, romantic contingent.
3924
03:24:28,944 --> 03:24:32,904
There are girls that have
a kind of "Beauty and the Beast"
3925
03:24:32,904 --> 03:24:34,601
attraction with Freddy.
3926
03:24:34,601 --> 03:24:37,430
I mean, to this day,
I'm so disappointed
3927
03:24:37,430 --> 03:24:39,780
that we never got to do
that second film,
3928
03:24:39,780 --> 03:24:41,478
you know,
"Phantom of Manhattan."
3929
03:24:46,092 --> 03:24:47,920
Well, here's the thing
with "976-Evil."
3930
03:24:47,920 --> 03:24:51,270
Nobody held a gun to my head.
3931
03:24:51,270 --> 03:24:52,620
They made me a nice offer.
3932
03:24:52,620 --> 03:24:54,142
I was allowed to direct,
3933
03:24:54,142 --> 03:24:57,015
but I love the idea
of "976-Evil."
3934
03:24:57,015 --> 03:24:59,671
It seems gimmicky now,
in hindsight,
3935
03:24:59,671 --> 03:25:01,454
but the body of it I liked,
3936
03:25:01,454 --> 03:25:04,414
and I had this great
cast assembled.
3937
03:25:04,414 --> 03:25:06,852
I got Stephen Geoffreys
fresh off "Fright Night."
3938
03:25:08,679 --> 03:25:12,770
Steven, his look and his haircut
and his sense --
3939
03:25:12,770 --> 03:25:16,077
fashion sense,
he embodied the '80s.
3940
03:25:16,077 --> 03:25:19,038
Kevin Yagher, you know,
did me a big favor
3941
03:25:19,038 --> 03:25:22,127
and designed this strange,
wonderful makeup.
3942
03:25:22,127 --> 03:25:23,695
It's a great makeup.
3943
03:25:23,695 --> 03:25:27,001
As he transforms into evil
as the devil
3944
03:25:27,001 --> 03:25:28,221
gets his hooks into him.
3945
03:25:30,789 --> 03:25:33,356
Bye-bye.
3946
03:25:33,356 --> 03:25:37,011
I had great scenes with
Robert Picardo as the devil.
3947
03:25:37,011 --> 03:25:40,841
The devil who runs
the 976-Evil phone call site
3948
03:25:40,841 --> 03:25:46,629
because that's how he recruits
people to the dark side.
3949
03:25:46,629 --> 03:25:48,588
I used to live in Radio Shack
when I was in high school.
3950
03:25:48,588 --> 03:25:50,459
.
3951
03:25:50,459 --> 03:25:52,158
But it didn't work out.
3952
03:25:52,158 --> 03:25:55,508
And he had some great comedy.
3953
03:25:55,508 --> 03:25:57,640
They cut that stuff out.
3954
03:25:57,640 --> 03:25:59,730
A guy can't make
a buck anymore.
3955
03:25:59,730 --> 03:26:03,168
And one over my --
my female producer,
3956
03:26:03,168 --> 03:26:06,780
Lisa Hansen, she was seeing
the movie through my eyes.
3957
03:26:06,780 --> 03:26:08,478
She saw where I was going.
3958
03:26:08,478 --> 03:26:11,654
She got ill in post production,
3959
03:26:11,654 --> 03:26:13,266
and the other producer came in.
3960
03:26:13,266 --> 03:26:16,616
He was just --
he had read some how to make
3961
03:26:16,616 --> 03:26:19,097
a horror movie book, you know,
3962
03:26:19,097 --> 03:26:21,360
sold at
Larry Edmunds for $1.99
3963
03:26:21,360 --> 03:26:24,973
remaindered in a paperback
with a cigarette burn on it.
3964
03:26:24,973 --> 03:26:26,452
And he thought all horror movies
3965
03:26:26,452 --> 03:26:28,323
have to be 90 minutes,
and I was going,
3966
03:26:28,323 --> 03:26:32,372
"No, no, no action movies
have to be 90 minutes.
3967
03:26:32,372 --> 03:26:34,591
Not horror movies."
3968
03:26:34,591 --> 03:26:38,638
There's still sequences that are
all mine in the boys bathroom.
3969
03:26:38,638 --> 03:26:41,685
You know, with the skateboards,
all the stuff with the mirror
3970
03:26:41,685 --> 03:26:43,818
and him getting sliced by hoax.
3971
03:26:43,818 --> 03:26:47,647
That's pure, unadulterated
Robert Englund, you know.
3972
03:26:47,647 --> 03:26:51,043
It would have been
a third again, better movie,
3973
03:26:51,043 --> 03:26:54,523
had they left it
and trusted me with what it was.
3974
03:26:54,523 --> 03:26:57,657
I mean, I should get over it,
but it's your baby.
3975
03:26:57,657 --> 03:27:00,748
The reason I don't direct film
as much is not
3976
03:27:00,748 --> 03:27:05,187
because I'm intimidated by film,
but I am desired
3977
03:27:05,187 --> 03:27:07,450
because of my name
and because of the seats I fill
3978
03:27:07,450 --> 03:27:09,538
and because of my baggage
that I bring.
3979
03:27:09,538 --> 03:27:13,847
I am desired to always
do effects-laden movies.
3980
03:27:13,847 --> 03:27:15,980
And it's rough enough
directing film
3981
03:27:15,980 --> 03:27:17,895
because once you say "action,"
3982
03:27:17,895 --> 03:27:20,375
you're against the clock.
3983
03:27:20,375 --> 03:27:22,334
That's all you hear.
3984
03:27:22,334 --> 03:27:25,859
Pre-production is fun.
Post production is ecstatic.
3985
03:27:25,859 --> 03:27:28,644
But the actual shooting
of a movie is not pleasant.
3986
03:27:28,644 --> 03:27:30,429
You're not sleeping at night,
3987
03:27:30,429 --> 03:27:33,912
you're worried about getting
your day, it's not fun,
3988
03:27:33,912 --> 03:27:36,262
even when your actors
and your cameraman
3989
03:27:36,262 --> 03:27:37,828
are bringing you great stuff.
3990
03:27:37,828 --> 03:27:39,960
The reason Robert Englund
doesn't direct more film
3991
03:27:39,960 --> 03:27:42,180
is because
people aren't asking me
3992
03:27:42,180 --> 03:27:45,793
to direct the films
that I'm right for.
3993
03:27:45,793 --> 03:27:47,533
Left to my own devices,
3994
03:27:47,533 --> 03:27:50,623
I'm the guy that should
be directing "Tender Mercies."
3995
03:27:50,623 --> 03:27:52,931
That's the kind of film
I would do the best.
3996
03:28:03,549 --> 03:28:06,160
Announcer: Michael Keaton
is "Beetlejuice."
3997
03:28:06,160 --> 03:28:08,075
I'm the ghost with the most,
babe.
3998
03:28:10,599 --> 03:28:12,863
Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice,
Beetlejuice. Oops.
3999
03:28:12,863 --> 03:28:15,430
It's show time.
4000
03:28:15,430 --> 03:28:18,608
Beetlejuice is for me
one of the movies where it shows
4001
03:28:18,608 --> 03:28:21,046
Tim Burton firing
on all cylinders.
4002
03:28:21,046 --> 03:28:23,090
He was just absolutely
in his element.
4003
03:28:23,090 --> 03:28:28,966
It made him one of the premiere
directors of the '80s.
4004
03:28:32,012 --> 03:28:35,364
It's hilarious, it's weird,
it's funny.
4005
03:28:35,364 --> 03:28:36,538
The cast is terrific.
4006
03:28:36,538 --> 03:28:38,236
The practical effects are great.
4007
03:28:38,236 --> 03:28:40,760
Geena Davis
and Alec Baldwin die.
4008
03:28:44,198 --> 03:28:46,898
They go to the afterlife
and they find out
4009
03:28:46,898 --> 03:28:51,075
that they don't want to die.
4010
03:28:51,075 --> 03:28:53,729
The couple go back
to their house,
4011
03:28:53,729 --> 03:28:57,603
but unfortunately, the worst
family ever moves in
4012
03:28:57,603 --> 03:29:00,649
and wants to change everything
that they love about the house.
4013
03:29:00,649 --> 03:29:03,523
So they enlist the help
of Beetlejuice,
4014
03:29:03,523 --> 03:29:06,264
who is the human Exorcist.
4015
03:29:10,050 --> 03:29:12,967
He's there to scare them
out of the house.
4016
03:29:12,967 --> 03:29:15,838
Problem is Beetlejuice
is a little eccentric.
4017
03:29:15,838 --> 03:29:18,276
What do we got here
tonight, kids?
4018
03:29:18,276 --> 03:29:19,755
Ooh.
4019
03:29:19,755 --> 03:29:22,585
Michael Keaton surprises you
all the time.
4020
03:29:22,585 --> 03:29:23,934
To see him play Beetlejuice.
4021
03:29:23,934 --> 03:29:25,326
It was such a great character
4022
03:29:25,326 --> 03:29:27,329
and really outrageous and wild
4023
03:29:27,329 --> 03:29:28,721
and all over the place.
4024
03:29:30,462 --> 03:29:31,855
Scram!
4025
03:29:31,855 --> 03:29:33,465
That was neat to see that.
4026
03:29:38,252 --> 03:29:40,951
The "Day-O" scene
was glorious to me.
4027
03:29:48,175 --> 03:29:51,526
I reenact that almost,
you know, once a month.
4028
03:29:52,832 --> 03:29:54,355
I think Beetlejuice is the film
4029
03:29:54,355 --> 03:29:56,662
that really put Winona Ryder
on the map.
4030
03:29:56,662 --> 03:29:58,751
I mean, she had such
a great character.
4031
03:29:58,751 --> 03:30:01,972
It's kind of the updated
Wednesday Addams,
4032
03:30:01,972 --> 03:30:04,888
just this creepy little girl who
had to live in this creepy house
4033
03:30:04,888 --> 03:30:07,020
with her sort of creepy parents
.
4034
03:30:07,020 --> 03:30:13,461
I am utterly alone.
4035
03:30:13,461 --> 03:30:15,072
I think that's really one
of the first times
4036
03:30:15,072 --> 03:30:17,509
that you saw what --
what goth was all about
4037
03:30:17,509 --> 03:30:20,468
in comedy like that,
so that was exciting to see her
4038
03:30:20,468 --> 03:30:23,297
and to realize that
she was such an outcast,
4039
03:30:23,297 --> 03:30:25,343
and you really felt for her,
4040
03:30:25,343 --> 03:30:27,998
which made me really happy.
I liked that.
4041
03:30:30,435 --> 03:30:31,784
Trachenburg: The waiting room
is a prime example
4042
03:30:31,784 --> 03:30:34,395
of Tim Burton's creativity
in the '80s,
4043
03:30:34,395 --> 03:30:36,658
because you had all these people
4044
03:30:36,658 --> 03:30:39,444
who were waiting to go
to the afterlife
4045
03:30:39,444 --> 03:30:42,055
and each one of them died
in a different way.
4046
03:30:42,055 --> 03:30:44,449
So you had the circus performer
4047
03:30:44,449 --> 03:30:46,494
who had been sawed
in half for real.
4048
03:30:46,494 --> 03:30:50,150
You had the witch doctor
with the shrunken head.
4049
03:30:50,150 --> 03:30:54,546
It's just brimming with that
wonderful Tim Burton stuff
4050
03:30:54,546 --> 03:30:56,461
that we all miss.
4051
03:30:56,461 --> 03:30:57,766
You want a cigarette?
4052
03:30:57,766 --> 03:31:00,465
No, thank you.
4053
03:31:00,465 --> 03:31:03,598
Trying to cut down myself.
4054
03:31:03,598 --> 03:31:05,774
Well, Tim Burton,
he's gonna surprise you
4055
03:31:05,774 --> 03:31:09,822
and do some beautiful, wonderful
artwork and set designs.
4056
03:31:09,822 --> 03:31:13,260
He brings you into another
world, which I really adore.
4057
03:31:13,260 --> 03:31:14,827
And his stories are fun.
4058
03:31:14,827 --> 03:31:16,959
They just engage you.
4059
03:31:19,136 --> 03:31:20,528
You look great.
4060
03:31:20,528 --> 03:31:22,052
I wish I could have done
one of his movies.
4061
03:31:23,749 --> 03:31:26,230
Can you be scary?
Oh!
4062
03:31:26,230 --> 03:31:28,275
Don't ask me
if I can be scary.
4063
03:31:30,148 --> 03:31:31,278
What do you think of this?
4064
03:31:38,329 --> 03:31:40,635
Announcer: It's
"Hollywood Chainsaw Hookers."
4065
03:31:40,635 --> 03:31:43,725
These girls charge an arm
and a leg.
4066
03:31:43,725 --> 03:31:46,293
You may not have heard
of the term video nasties
4067
03:31:46,293 --> 03:31:47,860
or gross out films.
4068
03:31:47,860 --> 03:31:50,080
These terms refer to a whole
group of pictures
4069
03:31:50,080 --> 03:31:53,605
from a blood and guts,
sometimes real, sometimes fake.
4070
03:31:53,605 --> 03:31:57,565
In the U.K., we had the video
nasties, which was
4071
03:31:57,565 --> 03:32:00,612
a reaction by
the Conservative government
4072
03:32:00,612 --> 03:32:03,615
to sort of clamp
down on horror movies,
4073
03:32:03,615 --> 03:32:04,964
because a lot of them
were getting through
4074
03:32:04,964 --> 03:32:07,401
without being rated by the BBFC,
4075
03:32:07,401 --> 03:32:10,187
so kids could rent these movies
and watch them at home.
4076
03:32:10,187 --> 03:32:11,971
So they wrote up a list
of movies that had --
4077
03:32:11,971 --> 03:32:13,277
that were essentially
had to be banned.
4078
03:32:16,671 --> 03:32:18,673
The funny thing was,
was that there's a lot of people
4079
03:32:18,673 --> 03:32:21,502
criticizing these movies
without actually seeing them.
4080
03:32:21,502 --> 03:32:24,723
It's often the case
with -- with government.
4081
03:32:24,723 --> 03:32:27,247
They also had these local
MPs as well who like to comment
4082
03:32:27,247 --> 03:32:30,250
and get sort of political points
with their --
4083
03:32:30,250 --> 03:32:32,687
with their constituency
by saying,
4084
03:32:32,687 --> 03:32:34,950
"Oh, this movie is really bad,
it should be banned."
4085
03:32:34,950 --> 03:32:36,388
And someone goes "Oh,
have you seen this movie?"
4086
03:32:36,388 --> 03:32:37,779
"Oh, no, no,
I don't need to see it."
4087
03:32:37,779 --> 03:32:39,955
You think, well,
you need to see something
4088
03:32:39,955 --> 03:32:41,261
before you criticize it.
4089
03:32:41,261 --> 03:32:44,482
If anyone can stand up
and defend
4090
03:32:44,482 --> 03:32:48,312
the sort of horrific scenes
that I have had to see
4091
03:32:48,312 --> 03:32:50,836
and other members of parliament
have had to see,
4092
03:32:50,836 --> 03:32:52,794
I believe they're living
in a different world
4093
03:32:52,794 --> 03:32:54,492
to that world that I live in.
4094
03:32:54,492 --> 03:32:57,234
The video nasties didn't stick
around for that long,
4095
03:32:57,234 --> 03:32:58,844
but there were a number
of movies that were
4096
03:32:58,844 --> 03:33:00,541
on the BBFC kind of hit list
4097
03:33:00,541 --> 03:33:02,674
for a number of years
that remained banned.
4098
03:33:02,674 --> 03:33:04,458
And it was kind of years later
that these movies
4099
03:33:04,458 --> 03:33:06,199
did eventually come out,
4100
03:33:06,199 --> 03:33:08,158
and people got to see them
properly for the first time
4101
03:33:08,158 --> 03:33:10,899
and not some kind of wonky VHS
4102
03:33:10,899 --> 03:33:14,076
bootleg from 1982
or something like that.
4103
03:33:14,076 --> 03:33:18,472
Video nasties, they don't like
violence or blood
4104
03:33:18,472 --> 03:33:19,604
and all that stuff.
4105
03:33:19,604 --> 03:33:21,867
You can have all the sex
you want,
4106
03:33:21,867 --> 03:33:23,912
but if you use the word
4107
03:33:23,912 --> 03:33:28,874
chainsaw in your title,
that's too violent.
4108
03:33:28,874 --> 03:33:31,355
And "Hollywood Hooker"
sounds worse than
4109
03:33:31,355 --> 03:33:33,879
"Hollywood Chainsaw Hookers."
4110
03:33:33,879 --> 03:33:37,056
That was a great line --
they charge an arm and a leg --
4111
03:33:37,056 --> 03:33:40,712
because the movies
about this prostitution ring
4112
03:33:40,712 --> 03:33:45,499
that my sister has fallen into
and having to investigate it
4113
03:33:45,499 --> 03:33:48,676
and go under cover
with this chainsaw cult.
4114
03:33:48,676 --> 03:33:52,680
I'm gonna burn that temple
over those fuckers heads.
4115
03:33:52,680 --> 03:33:54,378
You know, you've got a lot
of guts for a little girl.
4116
03:33:54,378 --> 03:33:57,250
It's a very silly romp.
4117
03:33:59,209 --> 03:34:02,386
A film noir, but it's in color.
4118
03:34:02,386 --> 03:34:05,040
Jack: I'll check the photo
to make sure.
4119
03:34:05,040 --> 03:34:06,912
It was her alright.
4120
03:34:06,912 --> 03:34:09,088
I got involved with
"Hollywood Chainsaw Hookers"
4121
03:34:09,088 --> 03:34:10,872
when Fred Olen Ray
gave me a call.
4122
03:34:10,872 --> 03:34:13,135
It was Memorial Day weekend,
4123
03:34:13,135 --> 03:34:16,530
and he said, "I'm gonna do
a movie in three days now."
4124
03:34:16,530 --> 03:34:19,098
And it was just so tongue
in cheek and so fun.
4125
03:34:24,103 --> 03:34:28,586
And I got to meet Leatherface
from "Texas Chainsaw Massacre."
4126
03:34:28,586 --> 03:34:30,675
That was like a big deal to me,
4127
03:34:30,675 --> 03:34:32,459
because I loved that film.
4128
03:34:32,459 --> 03:34:34,244
-Please, Mr. Chandler,
4129
03:34:34,244 --> 03:34:36,768
think of the neighbors.
They're trying to sleep.
4130
03:34:38,335 --> 03:34:40,946
Gunnar Hansen was like
the nicest guy
4131
03:34:40,946 --> 03:34:44,819
who had no clue that
he was admired by thousands.
4132
03:34:44,819 --> 03:34:48,345
I think it's time somebody
cut you down to size, Jack.
4133
03:34:50,477 --> 03:34:52,044
Fred Olen Ray is very,
4134
03:34:52,044 --> 03:34:53,915
like, he's got
that dry sense of humor.
4135
03:34:53,915 --> 03:34:57,267
He said, "Okay, dance sexy
with these chainsaws."
4136
03:34:57,267 --> 03:35:00,313
And I'm like, "They're heavy."
4137
03:35:00,313 --> 03:35:04,665
And like, I'm trying my best to
dance sexy with the chainsaws.
4138
03:35:04,665 --> 03:35:08,408
And I'm like struggling,
and I am being asphyxiated
4139
03:35:08,408 --> 03:35:10,802
when I'm in the sarcophagus
with the chainsaws running
4140
03:35:10,802 --> 03:35:12,630
and all the smokes going.
4141
03:35:12,630 --> 03:35:16,286
If you watch, I, like, kind of
like stumble when I get out
4142
03:35:16,286 --> 03:35:20,246
because I'm like high
from the smoke in there.
4143
03:35:23,554 --> 03:35:25,251
Then I was like dancing
with them
4144
03:35:25,251 --> 03:35:27,862
and I felt something on my leg
and I thought,
4145
03:35:27,862 --> 03:35:30,909
"Oh, my God, hot oil is burning
my skin," but I didn't stop.
4146
03:35:30,909 --> 03:35:32,214
I kept going.
4147
03:35:35,435 --> 03:35:38,308
It was like, "Action.
4148
03:35:38,308 --> 03:35:40,658
Here's your chainsaw. Go."
4149
03:35:44,183 --> 03:35:46,011
They just said,
"Well, this a great idea,
4150
03:35:46,011 --> 03:35:47,838
let's use real chainsaws.
They're cheaper."
4151
03:35:52,278 --> 03:35:55,542
I think they probably got them
at Kmart,
4152
03:35:55,542 --> 03:35:57,196
and then returned them
the next day.
4153
03:36:08,033 --> 03:36:09,991
Announcer: Treat Williams...
4154
03:36:09,991 --> 03:36:11,253
Sit down.
4155
03:36:11,253 --> 03:36:13,647
Announcer:
...and Joe Piscopo are..
4156
03:36:13,647 --> 03:36:15,214
"Dead Heat."
4157
03:36:15,214 --> 03:36:18,304
"Dead Heat" is a buddy cop film
with zombies.
4158
03:36:18,304 --> 03:36:20,872
You got Joe Piscopo
and Treat Williams,
4159
03:36:20,872 --> 03:36:23,918
who discovered
that there's this company
4160
03:36:23,918 --> 03:36:26,921
that has found a way to bring
people back from the dead.
4161
03:36:26,921 --> 03:36:30,142
The only problem is you don't
come back for very long.
4162
03:36:30,142 --> 03:36:31,665
You start to fall apart,
4163
03:36:31,665 --> 03:36:34,276
and they've been using it
bringing people back
4164
03:36:34,276 --> 03:36:37,149
from the dead
to go do things like heists.
4165
03:36:37,149 --> 03:36:39,194
Come on.
You wanna be dead?
4166
03:36:42,720 --> 03:36:45,244
Part of the humor of it is
that they called it "Dead Heat."
4167
03:36:45,244 --> 03:36:47,464
It's such a generic title,
4168
03:36:47,464 --> 03:36:49,988
but I think they were kind
of aping off of the fact
4169
03:36:49,988 --> 03:36:52,294
that it was a goof
on action films.
4170
03:36:54,514 --> 03:36:56,734
Johnson: I loved
working on "Dead Heat."
4171
03:36:56,734 --> 03:36:58,475
Mark Goldblatt
was really cool.
4172
03:36:58,475 --> 03:36:59,650
I mean, I had Carte Blanche...
4173
03:37:01,085 --> 03:37:02,653
...and I got to work
with Vincent Price.
4174
03:37:02,653 --> 03:37:04,394
Death doesn't discriminate.
4175
03:37:04,394 --> 03:37:06,439
At least not till now.
4176
03:37:06,439 --> 03:37:10,182
We really did a lot of close up
quality zombie makeups on that.
4177
03:37:10,182 --> 03:37:11,879
They cut out a lot
of our effects
4178
03:37:11,879 --> 03:37:13,227
because they were
just too over the top.
4179
03:37:16,754 --> 03:37:18,930
I was cut out of "Dead Heat"
4180
03:37:18,930 --> 03:37:20,627
because they didn't use
that footage,
4181
03:37:20,627 --> 03:37:25,502
But I practiced at Steve's shop
with this heavy skeleton
4182
03:37:25,502 --> 03:37:30,028
doing puppeteering, you know,
dancing and dancing and dancing.
4183
03:37:30,028 --> 03:37:31,769
I danced to "Burning Up"
4184
03:37:31,769 --> 03:37:34,641
with this heavy skeleton
for so long
4185
03:37:34,641 --> 03:37:35,947
so I would get it right.
4186
03:37:38,732 --> 03:37:40,821
She was the sexy dancer
puppeteer
4187
03:37:40,821 --> 03:37:42,519
for the sexy skeleton,
but they cut that scene.
4188
03:37:42,519 --> 03:37:44,172
Again, why they cut
all our work out?
4189
03:37:44,172 --> 03:37:45,696
It would only make
that movie better.
4190
03:37:45,696 --> 03:37:47,480
The shitty movie could have
only been better
4191
03:37:47,480 --> 03:37:49,743
with a bunch of over
the top effects, right?
4192
03:37:49,743 --> 03:37:52,311
Joe Piscopo when he was
on "Saturday Night Live"
4193
03:37:52,311 --> 03:37:55,705
was kind of this skinny kind
of Wiener-ish comedian.
4194
03:37:55,705 --> 03:37:58,185
He had started lifting weights,
4195
03:37:58,185 --> 03:38:00,798
and this was one of the first
times where it really came out,
4196
03:38:00,798 --> 03:38:02,886
"Oh, look at this dude,
he's jacked."
4197
03:38:02,886 --> 03:38:05,236
And I think that going forward,
4198
03:38:05,236 --> 03:38:09,502
more people will remember him
as the big muscle dude.
4199
03:38:09,502 --> 03:38:11,939
I think my favorite part
of the work that we did in
4200
03:38:11,939 --> 03:38:13,724
"Dead Heat" is the butcher shop
that comes alive,
4201
03:38:13,724 --> 03:38:15,595
because I have always thought
in zombie movies,
4202
03:38:15,595 --> 03:38:17,379
why is it just people?
4203
03:38:17,379 --> 03:38:19,250
And so this whole butcher shop
when it comes to life,
4204
03:38:19,250 --> 03:38:21,818
I mean, there's even a liver,
that was a really cool effect.
4205
03:38:21,818 --> 03:38:25,779
We built an inverted table
and inverted the background
4206
03:38:25,779 --> 03:38:27,433
and inverted the camera
the same way
4207
03:38:27,433 --> 03:38:29,217
and just let the liver roll.
4208
03:38:29,217 --> 03:38:30,741
But then it looks like
it's moving
4209
03:38:30,741 --> 03:38:32,786
until it leaps
on Treat's face.
4210
03:38:35,136 --> 03:38:36,616
Ducks, chickens, fish,
you name it,
4211
03:38:36,616 --> 03:38:38,182
they all came to life.
4212
03:38:42,969 --> 03:38:44,406
Part of the way
through the film,
4213
03:38:44,406 --> 03:38:46,321
Treat Williams dies.
4214
03:38:46,321 --> 03:38:48,323
They bring him back
from the dead
4215
03:38:48,323 --> 03:38:53,241
so that he can solve
the crime of who murdered him.
4216
03:38:53,241 --> 03:38:55,548
Hi, guys.
4217
03:38:55,548 --> 03:38:57,507
The longer he's been dead,
the more alive he comes,
4218
03:38:57,507 --> 03:38:58,986
and that's reflected
in the makeup.
4219
03:38:58,986 --> 03:39:00,814
When he's handcuffed
to the back of the van,
4220
03:39:00,814 --> 03:39:02,686
car rolls down explodes,
4221
03:39:02,686 --> 03:39:04,818
he comes out
and he's suddenly cool
4222
03:39:04,818 --> 03:39:07,168
because his hair is all
punked out and it's black.
4223
03:39:10,041 --> 03:39:12,696
He's got a piece of shrapnel
for a long earring,
4224
03:39:12,696 --> 03:39:15,655
and his blue ridiculous
Hawaiian shirt is all black,
4225
03:39:15,655 --> 03:39:18,702
and he looks hip
and he looks cool.
4226
03:39:18,702 --> 03:39:20,138
Detective Mortis, homicide.
4227
03:39:20,138 --> 03:39:22,619
At the end of the film,
Treat Williams
4228
03:39:22,619 --> 03:39:26,666
and Joe Piscopo
are both back from the dead.
4229
03:39:26,666 --> 03:39:29,626
Sinew is flying everywhere.
4230
03:39:29,626 --> 03:39:31,453
It's a spectacle
that you need to see.
4231
03:39:41,725 --> 03:39:44,509
Announcer: This one maniac
you'll have to face alone
4232
03:39:44,509 --> 03:39:46,120
or die.
4233
03:39:46,120 --> 03:39:49,602
"Maniac Cop."
4234
03:39:49,602 --> 03:39:54,564
Next to maniac, "Maniac Cop"
is Bill Lustig's magnum opus.
4235
03:39:54,564 --> 03:39:57,392
How can you not love a movie
about a killer cop
4236
03:39:57,392 --> 03:40:01,266
written by Larry Cohen
and directed by Bill Lustig?
4237
03:40:01,266 --> 03:40:04,269
Bill Lustig went out and found
the money for "Maniac Cop,"
4238
03:40:04,269 --> 03:40:07,577
and was the understanding that
he would direct the picture.
4239
03:40:07,577 --> 03:40:10,057
I didn't want
to direct it anyway,
4240
03:40:10,057 --> 03:40:12,190
so it all worked out okay.
4241
03:40:17,586 --> 03:40:19,066
There's a killer on the streets
4242
03:40:19,066 --> 03:40:21,199
and he's killing
indiscriminately.
4243
03:40:21,199 --> 03:40:25,203
And a lot of people believe
that it is Matt Cordell,
4244
03:40:25,203 --> 03:40:29,293
a good police officer
that was killed in prison
4245
03:40:29,293 --> 03:40:32,123
but is now back for revenge.
4246
03:40:35,039 --> 03:40:36,692
Tom Atkins plays the cop,
4247
03:40:36,692 --> 03:40:40,218
who's on the trail
of Matt Cordell, trying to undo
4248
03:40:40,218 --> 03:40:43,220
If it's really this killer cop
back from the dead.
4249
03:40:43,220 --> 03:40:46,920
It's called "Maniac Cop" because
it's got a maniac cop in it.
4250
03:40:49,053 --> 03:40:53,230
And it was my job to find him
and to kill him.
4251
03:40:54,885 --> 03:40:58,236
But I didn't, he killed me,
4252
03:40:58,236 --> 03:40:59,758
threw me out of window
on top of a cab.
4253
03:41:02,500 --> 03:41:04,502
Died, ignominiously.
4254
03:41:09,333 --> 03:41:12,511
The maniac cop Matt Cordell
is played by Robert Z'Dar,
4255
03:41:12,511 --> 03:41:15,819
who is quite possibly
the only actor in history,
4256
03:41:15,819 --> 03:41:17,516
who has a more
impressive chin
4257
03:41:17,516 --> 03:41:20,911
than Bruce Campbell,
who is also in the movie.
4258
03:41:22,956 --> 03:41:26,132
He has a rare medical condition
called cherubism,
4259
03:41:26,132 --> 03:41:29,484
and they use that to
great effect in this movie,
4260
03:41:29,484 --> 03:41:31,443
and it actually ended up
benefiting him
4261
03:41:31,443 --> 03:41:32,965
in his movie career.
4262
03:41:32,965 --> 03:41:35,359
The climax of the film starts
with a car chase
4263
03:41:35,359 --> 03:41:39,494
and culminates in one of the
best villain deaths in the '80s.
4264
03:41:44,021 --> 03:41:47,981
It ends with a cliffhanger that
leads into "Maniac Cop 2,"
4265
03:41:47,981 --> 03:41:51,115
which is in my humble opinion,
the best of the series.
4266
03:41:51,115 --> 03:41:53,291
My one question is,
4267
03:41:53,291 --> 03:41:55,946
what the hell is the matter
with William Lustig?
4268
03:41:55,946 --> 03:41:57,469
Bruce Campbell and I,
4269
03:41:57,469 --> 03:41:59,689
we run into each other
every once in a while,
4270
03:41:59,689 --> 03:42:02,387
and he said the same thing --
4271
03:42:02,387 --> 03:42:05,085
"What the hell is up
with Bill Lustig?"
4272
03:42:05,085 --> 03:42:07,348
"You're the star the first one,"
he says to me,
4273
03:42:07,348 --> 03:42:11,047
and 25 minutes into the movie,
you're dead and out the window
4274
03:42:11,047 --> 03:42:15,442
on top of a cab
at the hands of the maniac cop.
4275
03:42:15,442 --> 03:42:18,445
In the second one,
I'm the star
4276
03:42:18,445 --> 03:42:21,580
and I go to a news stand
to buy a magazine,
4277
03:42:21,580 --> 03:42:23,321
somebody stabs me to death.
4278
03:42:23,321 --> 03:42:26,106
It has nothing to do
with anything, and I'm dead
4279
03:42:28,065 --> 03:42:30,240
Oh!
Talk to me, talk to me.
4280
03:42:30,240 --> 03:42:31,329
Talk --
4281
03:42:31,329 --> 03:42:34,071
Police! Police! Police!
4282
03:42:34,071 --> 03:42:37,683
There you are.
William Lustig, nuts.
4283
03:42:50,652 --> 03:42:52,959
I had thought, well,
it's "Poltergeist,"
4284
03:42:52,959 --> 03:42:54,569
you know,
it's this, it is a sequel.
4285
03:42:54,569 --> 03:42:56,222
It's a popular franchise,
4286
03:42:56,222 --> 03:42:59,139
I thought this could be
a lot of fun to do this.
4287
03:42:59,139 --> 03:43:02,707
Gary Sherman had this thick book
and he had everything.
4288
03:43:02,707 --> 03:43:05,362
He was like a scientist,
he had everything laid out
4289
03:43:05,362 --> 03:43:06,756
and how
this was gonna be done.
4290
03:43:06,756 --> 03:43:08,540
And the special effects
were gonna be
4291
03:43:08,540 --> 03:43:10,629
real and challenging.
4292
03:43:10,629 --> 03:43:13,197
And I thought, well, that's
sort of right up my alley.
4293
03:43:13,197 --> 03:43:14,414
With my dance background,
4294
03:43:14,414 --> 03:43:16,852
I can -- I can do this,
you know?
4295
03:43:16,852 --> 03:43:19,680
But it was brutal to shoot.
4296
03:43:19,680 --> 03:43:22,510
It really was difficult.
4297
03:43:22,510 --> 03:43:25,078
We're back.
4298
03:43:25,078 --> 03:43:27,733
The use of the double
and the mirrors and all of that.
4299
03:43:27,733 --> 03:43:31,127
And when you had
the long hallway of mirrors
4300
03:43:31,127 --> 03:43:33,173
and you had
different characters.
4301
03:43:33,173 --> 03:43:36,219
I think at one point, there were
maybe five different characters
4302
03:43:36,219 --> 03:43:37,612
that were involved.
4303
03:43:37,612 --> 03:43:40,701
It was extremely difficult
and frustrating,
4304
03:43:40,701 --> 03:43:43,313
and it all had to be
timed and perfect.
4305
03:43:43,313 --> 03:43:45,750
And even with the queues,
one thing could go off
4306
03:43:45,750 --> 03:43:47,405
and you had to start
all over again.
4307
03:43:47,405 --> 03:43:50,015
Because everything took two,
three times as long as
4308
03:43:50,015 --> 03:43:52,105
it would have
the way we shot it.
4309
03:43:52,105 --> 03:43:53,715
The payoff, of course is
it's like,
4310
03:43:53,715 --> 03:43:55,368
oh, that was worth it.
You see it.
4311
03:43:55,368 --> 03:43:57,457
And I think the hallway scene
is a great case of,
4312
03:43:57,457 --> 03:43:59,938
oh, look, that really worked.
It was great.
4313
03:43:59,938 --> 03:44:03,029
And there's something magical
in the moment, you know.
4314
03:44:03,029 --> 03:44:04,247
Hello?
4315
03:44:04,247 --> 03:44:06,510
-Hello?
-Hello?
4316
03:44:06,510 --> 03:44:08,947
Zelda Rubinstein .
4317
03:44:08,947 --> 03:44:12,081
Oh, my God, she was so much fun.
4318
03:44:12,081 --> 03:44:14,344
We really had a blast.
4319
03:44:14,344 --> 03:44:16,259
She had a lot of boyfriends,
I know that.
4320
03:44:17,827 --> 03:44:20,785
Zelda attracted
very handsome young boys.
4321
03:44:20,785 --> 03:44:24,181
I can lead you into the light.
4322
03:44:24,181 --> 03:44:28,053
I have the knowledge
and the power.
4323
03:44:28,053 --> 03:44:32,536
What I honestly remember
most about that film,
4324
03:44:32,536 --> 03:44:34,582
other than being wet
for a very long time ,
4325
03:44:34,582 --> 03:44:38,456
when Tom and I were running
around, was Heather O'Rourke.
4326
03:44:38,456 --> 03:44:40,632
She was just a real little girl.
4327
03:44:40,632 --> 03:44:42,807
She liked Barbies,
and she loved her mother.
4328
03:44:42,807 --> 03:44:44,809
She wasn't a child actress.
4329
03:44:44,809 --> 03:44:47,029
I mean, she had none
of that going on.
4330
03:44:47,029 --> 03:44:49,118
There was so much chaos
on that set,
4331
03:44:49,118 --> 03:44:51,034
because it was so challenging.
4332
03:44:51,034 --> 03:44:55,125
But whenever Heather was
on the set, it was like,
4333
03:44:55,125 --> 03:44:57,214
she was like a grounding force.
4334
03:44:57,214 --> 03:44:59,258
A woman's entitled
to change her mind.
4335
03:45:01,478 --> 03:45:04,351
And I always feel like
I can relax.
4336
03:45:04,351 --> 03:45:05,743
Heather is here.
4337
03:45:05,743 --> 03:45:07,006
It's kind of funny
when you think about it.
4338
03:45:07,006 --> 03:45:08,877
And I always think about,
you know,
4339
03:45:08,877 --> 03:45:11,706
the tragedy of her loss and all
and how unnecessary it was.
4340
03:45:11,706 --> 03:45:14,535
But the fact that she had
this old soul, you know,
4341
03:45:14,535 --> 03:45:17,320
and that's the only way
that I can look at it
4342
03:45:17,320 --> 03:45:19,757
that I don't feel
so desperately sad.
4343
03:45:28,158 --> 03:45:32,074
Announcer: A new dimension
in terror.
4344
03:45:32,074 --> 03:45:33,511
"Waxwork."
4345
03:45:35,774 --> 03:45:39,646
"Waxwork" is somewhat inspired
by other wax movies,
4346
03:45:39,646 --> 03:45:43,476
like the 1924 silent film
"Waxworks,"
4347
03:45:43,476 --> 03:45:48,525
and the 1933 and 1953 versions
of "House of Wax."
4348
03:45:48,525 --> 03:45:51,572
This one is more about
the wax figures coming to life.
4349
03:45:56,098 --> 03:45:57,838
You have a familiar face,
Zach Galligan
4350
03:45:57,838 --> 03:45:59,493
from "Gremlins."
4351
03:45:59,493 --> 03:46:01,104
Welcome to the Waxwork!
4352
03:46:03,322 --> 03:46:05,978
He and his fellow students
go to a wax museum
4353
03:46:05,978 --> 03:46:08,154
that's full
of classic car scenes.
4354
03:46:08,154 --> 03:46:12,027
And when they wander into the
display, they become part of it.
4355
03:46:12,027 --> 03:46:16,770
One of the girls goes into
this area, and it's a vampire.
4356
03:46:22,167 --> 03:46:25,954
Or you have one person goes into
a an area, and it's a werewolf.
4357
03:46:25,954 --> 03:46:30,567
A lot of them are based
on the old horror tropes.
4358
03:46:30,567 --> 03:46:33,309
It's very clever because the way
that they do it
4359
03:46:33,309 --> 03:46:35,398
is after the person dies,
4360
03:46:35,398 --> 03:46:39,794
then they become part
of the exhibit.
4361
03:46:39,794 --> 03:46:42,883
They become wax models
like in "House of Wax."
4362
03:46:42,883 --> 03:46:45,799
They had the marquee de sade,
they had zombies,
4363
03:46:45,799 --> 03:46:50,021
they had a wide variety
of different exhibits.
4364
03:46:50,021 --> 03:46:52,415
The effects are better than you
probably would be expecting
4365
03:46:52,415 --> 03:46:54,026
with a movie like this.
4366
03:46:54,026 --> 03:46:57,289
Sadly, the original
cut of the film got rated X
4367
03:46:57,289 --> 03:46:59,683
and they had to cut out
some of the gore
4368
03:46:59,683 --> 03:47:01,815
in order to get it down
to an R rating.
4369
03:47:04,731 --> 03:47:06,777
The ending is crazy,
because everything
4370
03:47:06,777 --> 03:47:08,127
in the museum attacks.
4371
03:47:10,564 --> 03:47:12,305
I mean, this is '80s excess
4372
03:47:12,305 --> 03:47:15,612
and it reminds you
what you love about the decade.
4373
03:47:15,612 --> 03:47:17,918
Take me!
Take this.
4374
03:47:25,491 --> 03:47:27,103
Announcer: Her life
becomes a nightmare
4375
03:47:27,103 --> 03:47:28,756
when she won't stay out
of the basement
4376
03:47:28,756 --> 03:47:32,716
and snared by evil
cellar dweller.
4377
03:47:32,716 --> 03:47:35,981
"Cellar Dweller,"
really?
4378
03:47:35,981 --> 03:47:38,592
Well, this is what I remember
about "Cellar Dweller."
4379
03:47:38,592 --> 03:47:42,378
Stuart was shooting "Robot Jox"
in Italy, And he said,
4380
03:47:42,378 --> 03:47:44,510
"You know, I want you
to do a cameo in this."
4381
03:47:44,510 --> 03:47:46,425
You think Achilles
has a chance?
4382
03:47:46,425 --> 03:47:49,602
Damn right he's got a chance.
He's got to kill that convict!
4383
03:47:49,602 --> 03:47:53,693
And then Charlie, I believe,
called me and said,
4384
03:47:53,693 --> 03:47:55,695
"Listen, while
you're over there,
4385
03:47:55,695 --> 03:48:00,396
do you think that you could also
do a day on this other movie,
4386
03:48:00,396 --> 03:48:05,575
kind of a half day of reacting
and carrying a hatchet?"
4387
03:48:05,575 --> 03:48:10,754
We had Jeffrey Combs appears
as the comic book artist
4388
03:48:10,754 --> 03:48:14,280
from the past in this sort
of pre-title sequence
4389
03:48:14,280 --> 03:48:17,282
to "Cellar Dweller,"
just to set up the whole story.
4390
03:48:17,282 --> 03:48:21,244
And he's drawing on the
inspiration of the dark arts
4391
03:48:21,244 --> 03:48:23,855
as embodied in this book,
4392
03:48:23,855 --> 03:48:25,683
clearly ripped off
from "The Evil Dead."
4393
03:48:25,683 --> 03:48:29,251
And he pays the price,
and he dies.
4394
03:48:32,472 --> 03:48:35,475
I certainly felt like
I'm going to write
4395
03:48:35,475 --> 03:48:39,784
the best version of a movie
called "Cellar Dweller"
4396
03:48:39,784 --> 03:48:44,397
starring this
John Buechler-designed monster
4397
03:48:44,397 --> 03:48:47,400
that all takes place
in one building
4398
03:48:47,400 --> 03:48:49,923
that is humanly possible.
4399
03:48:49,923 --> 03:48:52,448
Are you trying to say to me
that a monster
4400
03:48:52,448 --> 03:48:55,015
you drew
just stepped of the page
4401
03:48:55,015 --> 03:48:57,017
and devoured Amanda
and Norman?
4402
03:48:57,017 --> 03:48:59,151
That's how I got into
the "Cellar Dweller.
4403
03:48:59,151 --> 03:49:02,284
It's like, "Here's the monster,
write a movie called
4404
03:49:02,284 --> 03:49:04,242
"Cellar Dweller'
with this monster."
4405
03:49:04,242 --> 03:49:05,897
That was Charles Band's way.
4406
03:49:11,032 --> 03:49:14,339
But there's a lot to be said
for having set parameters,
4407
03:49:14,339 --> 03:49:15,689
and, you know?
4408
03:49:15,689 --> 03:49:17,996
I mean, my God,
Michelangelo just --
4409
03:49:17,996 --> 03:49:20,867
he only had that ceiling.
4410
03:49:20,867 --> 03:49:23,087
I still think the monster
is really cool.
4411
03:49:27,353 --> 03:49:32,531
More and more as time goes on,
I do meet "Cellar Dweller" fans,
4412
03:49:32,531 --> 03:49:34,752
which at first
kind of surprised me,
4413
03:49:34,752 --> 03:49:37,406
but now we kind of, you know,
is heartwarming .
4414
03:49:37,406 --> 03:49:40,626
You know, it's -- it's nice
that like you write something
4415
03:49:40,626 --> 03:49:42,237
and then you might just
sort of shrug it off
4416
03:49:42,237 --> 03:49:44,153
and not think about it
for a few decades
4417
03:49:44,153 --> 03:49:46,155
and you find out
that actually had
4418
03:49:46,155 --> 03:49:48,461
a positive effect on somebody.
4419
03:49:50,114 --> 03:49:51,681
No!
4420
03:49:57,382 --> 03:50:00,212
Announcer:
"Night of the Demons."
4421
03:50:00,212 --> 03:50:02,039
We're you going?
4422
03:50:02,039 --> 03:50:04,563
The party's just begun.
4423
03:50:04,563 --> 03:50:06,522
People love that movie,
4424
03:50:06,522 --> 03:50:09,220
and I find it to be so campy.
4425
03:50:09,220 --> 03:50:11,396
Hey, grandpa,
look at the mirror!
4426
03:50:13,355 --> 03:50:14,835
You stupid bastards!
4427
03:50:14,835 --> 03:50:16,271
I really wanted to prove
myself on that,
4428
03:50:16,271 --> 03:50:18,011
even though it was
a very low budget movie,
4429
03:50:18,011 --> 03:50:19,362
we did the best we could.
4430
03:50:20,623 --> 03:50:21,929
No!
4431
03:50:21,929 --> 03:50:23,582
No! Holy shit!
4432
03:50:23,582 --> 03:50:26,019
"Night of the Demons" is about
4433
03:50:26,019 --> 03:50:30,328
these girls that have a party,
and everybody's excited to go
4434
03:50:30,328 --> 03:50:32,722
and they're all dressed up
in different costumes,
4435
03:50:32,722 --> 03:50:34,941
and they call out a demon.
4436
03:50:34,941 --> 03:50:36,247
Concentrate.
4437
03:50:40,470 --> 03:50:43,037
I get possessed,
and I just go crazy.
4438
03:50:45,562 --> 03:50:48,303
Squelching, growling]
4439
03:50:48,303 --> 03:50:51,262
I am writing on my face
with lipstick,
4440
03:50:51,262 --> 03:50:53,917
I'm making lipstick disappear
in my breasts,
4441
03:50:53,917 --> 03:50:55,745
which nobody expects.
4442
03:50:55,745 --> 03:50:58,400
It's like it's supposed
to be kind of titillating.
4443
03:50:58,400 --> 03:51:01,229
Hahaha,
but it becomes weird.
4444
03:51:05,668 --> 03:51:11,501
When they do the effect
on camera, they show my breasts,
4445
03:51:11,501 --> 03:51:14,416
then they cut away
and then there's a mold of me
4446
03:51:14,416 --> 03:51:16,332
from here to there.
4447
03:51:16,332 --> 03:51:18,942
They had
cut out a little slit,
4448
03:51:18,942 --> 03:51:22,250
so when I'm doing
my lipstick trick,
4449
03:51:22,250 --> 03:51:24,339
that lipstick just goes
right through there.
4450
03:51:27,037 --> 03:51:30,215
When I first met Steve Johnson,
who did the effects,
4451
03:51:30,215 --> 03:51:35,567
I went to his shop and they had
to do a lifecast of my breast.
4452
03:51:35,567 --> 03:51:37,961
I had a crush on him right away,
4453
03:51:37,961 --> 03:51:42,096
and then I guess he kind of
had a crush on me, too.
4454
03:51:42,096 --> 03:51:45,795
So it was very awkward because
he's putting alginate,
4455
03:51:45,795 --> 03:51:49,103
which is like a plaster
type thing that hardens on me.
4456
03:51:49,103 --> 03:51:52,105
And then they're wrapping me
like a mummy with bandages
4457
03:51:52,105 --> 03:51:56,110
and having to touch my breasts,
and it was just very awkward.
4458
03:51:56,110 --> 03:52:00,375
So it was interesting
how we met.
4459
03:52:00,375 --> 03:52:03,682
I enjoyed that effect, because
it wasn't on my face
4460
03:52:03,682 --> 03:52:05,772
and I didn't feel like
I was like covered
4461
03:52:05,772 --> 03:52:08,774
in all this horrible stuff.
4462
03:52:08,774 --> 03:52:11,081
But I'm like a very vain girl
in this movie,
4463
03:52:11,081 --> 03:52:13,736
and I have to ask
if my makeup's okay.
4464
03:52:13,736 --> 03:52:15,433
Is my makeup okay?
4465
03:52:15,433 --> 03:52:18,044
I put my head back, you know,
they cut away
4466
03:52:18,044 --> 03:52:21,004
and then I'm possessed.
4467
03:52:21,004 --> 03:52:22,049
Ah!
4468
03:52:22,049 --> 03:52:24,704
Stop looking at me!
Ah!
4469
03:52:24,704 --> 03:52:28,533
I had contacts and teeth
and all this makeup
4470
03:52:28,533 --> 03:52:30,448
that was glued to me,
4471
03:52:30,448 --> 03:52:35,235
and then I surprised him
by poking his eyes out.
4472
03:52:35,235 --> 03:52:37,673
And in fact, it's not my hands
that are doing it
4473
03:52:37,673 --> 03:52:40,197
because I didn't do it right.
4474
03:52:40,197 --> 03:52:42,765
They had to like put my bracelet
on this guy's hands
4475
03:52:42,765 --> 03:52:47,030
and have him poke my eyes
out professionally.
4476
03:52:47,030 --> 03:52:48,727
I could look at it and see how
it would scare the shit
4477
03:52:48,727 --> 03:52:50,294
at certain scenes.
4478
03:52:50,294 --> 03:52:51,991
You see Angela gliding
down the hall
4479
03:52:51,991 --> 03:52:53,993
and going through the shadows
and light with that face.
4480
03:52:53,993 --> 03:52:55,908
It's pretty -- pretty creepy.
4481
03:53:00,218 --> 03:53:04,047
Most of the cast thought
the house was haunted.
4482
03:53:04,047 --> 03:53:05,614
They thought there was
really hauntings.
4483
03:53:05,614 --> 03:53:07,181
I think it scared them.
4484
03:53:18,496 --> 03:53:21,500
As a horror fan, you were kind
of learning that the business,
4485
03:53:21,500 --> 03:53:23,501
the movie business
was very fickle.
4486
03:53:23,501 --> 03:53:26,939
So any number of your horror
icon directors
4487
03:53:26,939 --> 03:53:29,725
can be jumping to
any project at any given minute.
4488
03:53:29,725 --> 03:53:31,422
Every month in Fangoria,
there's a section called
4489
03:53:31,422 --> 03:53:34,773
Monster Invasion, and that's
news of upcoming releases.
4490
03:53:34,773 --> 03:53:36,514
And there would always be
a paragraph at the bottom
4491
03:53:36,514 --> 03:53:38,516
called The Terror Teletype.
4492
03:53:38,516 --> 03:53:41,824
"Director X is making
film Y with actor Z"
4493
03:53:41,824 --> 03:53:44,783
and you'd be like,
"Wow, I want to see that."
4494
03:53:44,783 --> 03:53:46,437
And then that movie
would never happen.
4495
03:53:46,437 --> 03:53:47,699
And that happened a lot.
4496
03:53:52,748 --> 03:53:55,707
"The Fly" is one of my favorite
films of all time,
4497
03:53:55,707 --> 03:53:58,623
and given the opportunity
to write the sequel
4498
03:53:58,623 --> 03:54:01,147
was incredibly exciting to me.
4499
03:54:01,147 --> 03:54:02,758
And what I came up
4500
03:54:02,758 --> 03:54:05,804
with bears very
little resemblance
4501
03:54:05,804 --> 03:54:08,067
to the movie
that was eventually made.
4502
03:54:10,897 --> 03:54:13,465
The original "Fly 2"
that I came up with
4503
03:54:13,465 --> 03:54:16,859
had a lot to do with something
that was going on at the time.
4504
03:54:16,859 --> 03:54:19,296
There was a couple named
Tony and Susan Alamo,
4505
03:54:19,296 --> 03:54:22,560
and they would try to find
mothers talk them
4506
03:54:22,560 --> 03:54:25,607
out of the abortions
and talk them into
4507
03:54:25,607 --> 03:54:29,132
raising good Christian,
God fearing children.
4508
03:54:29,132 --> 03:54:32,397
So I took it a step further
and said, well,
4509
03:54:32,397 --> 03:54:34,137
let's find an organization
4510
03:54:34,137 --> 03:54:36,879
that not only wants them
not to abort,
4511
03:54:36,879 --> 03:54:40,709
they are also training them,
as the Soviet Union
4512
03:54:40,709 --> 03:54:44,800
did decades ago,
creating super children.
4513
03:54:44,800 --> 03:54:48,020
If Veronica Quaife
and Seth Brundle
4514
03:54:48,020 --> 03:54:51,023
had had that baby
and Veronica wanted
4515
03:54:51,023 --> 03:54:53,025
to abort
because of the monster
4516
03:54:53,025 --> 03:54:57,073
she knew it would become
but was talked into giving up
4517
03:54:57,073 --> 03:55:01,686
her baby for adoption
by this group,
4518
03:55:01,686 --> 03:55:05,430
they suddenly are in possession
of this super powerful creature
4519
03:55:05,430 --> 03:55:08,432
that looked human
but was much more than that.
4520
03:55:08,432 --> 03:55:10,565
It would become
the first line of defense
4521
03:55:10,565 --> 03:55:13,524
in a new Christian army.
4522
03:55:13,524 --> 03:55:17,268
Then along came a new studio
head, Leonard Goldberg.
4523
03:55:17,268 --> 03:55:19,443
He had a very short life
4524
03:55:19,443 --> 03:55:21,750
as a feature studio
at 20th Century Fox.
4525
03:55:24,753 --> 03:55:27,277
He wanted
a teenage monster movie.
4526
03:55:27,277 --> 03:55:29,584
That's what was popular
in the '80s,
4527
03:55:29,584 --> 03:55:33,283
so suddenly, what I thought
could be a good companion piece
4528
03:55:33,283 --> 03:55:38,070
to the Cronenberg movie became
something much more mundane.
4529
03:55:42,858 --> 03:55:45,251
I did write a version of that,
4530
03:55:45,251 --> 03:55:49,691
but I left to direct my first
movie "Critters 2" at that time,
4531
03:55:49,691 --> 03:55:53,172
and Frank Darabont came on board
as the second writer on "Fly 2"
4532
03:55:53,172 --> 03:55:55,479
and then Jim and Ken Wheat.
4533
03:55:55,479 --> 03:55:57,960
So in the resulting movie...
4534
03:55:59,352 --> 03:56:01,311
I was sitting in my seat,
4535
03:56:01,311 --> 03:56:02,965
and I was watching it unspool,
4536
03:56:02,965 --> 03:56:05,358
and I'm sinking lower
and lower in my seat.
4537
03:56:05,358 --> 03:56:08,274
It's so far removed
from what the intent was,
4538
03:56:08,274 --> 03:56:11,495
and I thought Chris Wallace
did a great job as a director,
4539
03:56:11,495 --> 03:56:13,236
good cast and everything but --
4540
03:56:13,236 --> 03:56:15,804
but it was so far afield
from what I had intended
4541
03:56:15,804 --> 03:56:18,721
that it -- I haven't
watched it since.
4542
03:56:23,202 --> 03:56:25,815
Woodruff: "Pumpkinhead,"
it's a morality tale,
4543
03:56:25,815 --> 03:56:27,685
which always make
for the best movies.
4544
03:56:27,685 --> 03:56:31,210
I have been trying to get back
into the world of "Pumpkinhead"
4545
03:56:31,210 --> 03:56:34,518
and get the rights back
to do a prequel that --
4546
03:56:34,518 --> 03:56:36,302
that sort of sets up the story
4547
03:56:36,302 --> 03:56:38,609
and tells it
in a linear fashion,
4548
03:56:38,609 --> 03:56:41,090
so that it leads and ends up
4549
03:56:41,090 --> 03:56:43,353
with the Stan Winston movie
from the '80s.
4550
03:56:43,353 --> 03:56:47,618
But -- but while
that could be a long,
4551
03:56:47,618 --> 03:56:49,011
long, long process with --
4552
03:56:49,011 --> 03:56:50,534
with yielding very little.
.
4553
03:56:57,715 --> 03:57:03,068
After "Chainsaw 2," I wrote
a treatment for "Chainsaw 3"
4554
03:57:03,068 --> 03:57:06,158
and that Sawyers have now moved
to New York City.
4555
03:57:06,158 --> 03:57:10,119
Leatherface and Stretch
are married.
4556
03:57:10,119 --> 03:57:12,164
They have a little baby
in a bone crib
4557
03:57:12,164 --> 03:57:14,514
with like a little
leather mask on.
4558
03:57:14,514 --> 03:57:18,431
Chop Top is a DJ
in a disco club.
4559
03:57:21,913 --> 03:57:25,351
Leatherface by day works
for Parks and Recreation,
4560
03:57:25,351 --> 03:57:27,832
sewing off limbs
in Central Park.
4561
03:57:27,832 --> 03:57:32,358
And Jim Siedow, the cook,
has a famous chili restaurant
4562
03:57:32,358 --> 03:57:35,231
down in Soho, and at night
4563
03:57:35,231 --> 03:57:38,713
Leatherface goes into the steam
tunnels under Grand Central
4564
03:57:38,713 --> 03:57:40,845
and chops up
some of the homeless,
4565
03:57:40,845 --> 03:57:43,152
and that's the meat
for Jim Siedow's
4566
03:57:43,152 --> 03:57:45,154
award-winning chili.
4567
03:57:45,154 --> 03:57:47,330
Tobe didn't really want to go
to that place.
4568
03:57:47,330 --> 03:57:50,420
So that was you know that --
that was kind of stillborn.
4569
03:57:56,382 --> 03:58:00,299
We thought that the follow up
to "Re-animator"
4570
03:58:00,299 --> 03:58:03,607
wouldn't be "Re-animator 2."
4571
03:58:03,607 --> 03:58:06,349
Gordon:
The idea of doing a series
of movies based on Lovecraft
4572
03:58:06,349 --> 03:58:09,221
was something that
really appealed to us.
4573
03:58:09,221 --> 03:58:10,875
And so the next project
4574
03:58:10,875 --> 03:58:12,964
was gonna be
"Shadow over Innsmouth,"
4575
03:58:12,964 --> 03:58:15,837
which is a story about people
turning into fish.
4576
03:58:15,837 --> 03:58:20,319
Lovecraft is taking evolution
and turning it upside down.
4577
03:58:20,319 --> 03:58:22,104
Instead of, you know -- you know
the idea of us
4578
03:58:22,104 --> 03:58:26,761
coming out of the sea,
we're going back into the sea.
4579
03:58:26,761 --> 03:58:31,940
People are changing into
underwater creatures.
4580
03:58:31,940 --> 03:58:33,985
Yuzna: And Dennis actually wrote
the script of that
4581
03:58:33,985 --> 03:58:36,901
while we were in post production
for "Re-animator."
4582
03:58:36,901 --> 03:58:40,688
That to me seemed like the
sequel, just like the sequel
4583
03:58:40,688 --> 03:58:43,778
to the "House of Usher"
was "The Pit and the Pendulum."
4584
03:58:43,778 --> 03:58:47,956
We'd get Jeffrey and Barbara
do it more like a William Castle
4585
03:58:47,956 --> 03:58:52,787
series of movies
or a Corman Poe series.
4586
03:58:52,787 --> 03:58:54,614
Gordon: Everybody, including
Charlie Band,
4587
03:58:54,614 --> 03:58:56,965
who owned the studio
that were making the films
4588
03:58:56,965 --> 03:58:59,184
thought this concept
was ridiculous
4589
03:58:59,184 --> 03:59:01,404
and no one's gonna want to see
a movie like this.
4590
03:59:01,404 --> 03:59:04,275
Brian Yuzna and I took
that concept and pitched it
4591
03:59:04,275 --> 03:59:05,930
to just about
every studio in town.
4592
03:59:05,930 --> 03:59:07,453
The closest we ever got
to getting it made
4593
03:59:07,453 --> 03:59:08,976
was one guy who said,
4594
03:59:08,976 --> 03:59:10,674
"Well, if you make them
werewolves, we'll do it.
4595
03:59:10,674 --> 03:59:14,112
Turning into fish is not scary."
4596
03:59:14,112 --> 03:59:16,158
And I wanted to say to that guy,
you know, how about
4597
03:59:16,158 --> 03:59:18,333
if I just bring a big fish in
and put it on your desk
4598
03:59:18,333 --> 03:59:20,205
right now, you know,
or shark or something?
4599
03:59:20,205 --> 03:59:23,905
I think you might find that
a little disturbing.
4600
03:59:23,905 --> 03:59:30,041
Winston:
Shadow had a ton of really
cool production concepts
4601
03:59:30,041 --> 03:59:33,436
that were developed by
the masterful illustrator
4602
03:59:33,436 --> 03:59:36,482
Bernie Wrightson.
4603
03:59:36,482 --> 03:59:40,660
Stuart Gordon never got
to make "Shadow over Innsmouth,"
4604
03:59:40,660 --> 03:59:44,402
but he did get to use some of
those elements in "Dagon."
4605
03:59:47,624 --> 03:59:49,713
We will live for eternity.
4606
03:59:51,846 --> 03:59:53,369
The thing about
"Shadow over Innsmouth"
4607
03:59:53,369 --> 03:59:55,153
is it's one
of the most action packed
4608
03:59:55,153 --> 03:59:58,069
Lovecraft stories
ever that he ever wrote.
4609
03:59:58,069 --> 04:00:00,202
"Shadow Over Innsmouth"
is a novella.
4610
04:00:00,202 --> 04:00:02,508
It really is like the closest
he ever got to a novel.
4611
04:00:02,508 --> 04:00:04,380
You know, I read somewhere
that Fritz Lang wanted
4612
04:00:04,380 --> 04:00:07,862
to make it way back in the day,
which would have been wonderful.
4613
04:00:26,576 --> 04:00:30,014
"Bad Taste" was my personal
introduction to Peter Jackson,
4614
04:00:30,014 --> 04:00:33,061
and I've been in love
with his work ever since.
4615
04:00:33,061 --> 04:00:36,411
He was a New Zealand filmmaker
who wanted to move on to bigger
4616
04:00:36,411 --> 04:00:39,589
and better things,
and he certainly did.
4617
04:00:39,589 --> 04:00:41,983
He was getting a lot of
attention for "Meet the Feebles"
4618
04:00:41,983 --> 04:00:44,463
but that one still
didn't go over quite as well.
4619
04:00:44,463 --> 04:00:47,684
This was the movie that kind of
broke him to American audiences,
4620
04:00:47,684 --> 04:00:50,468
and then of course,
this led into "Dead Alive,"
4621
04:00:50,468 --> 04:00:53,908
which made people stand up
and take notice.
4622
04:00:53,908 --> 04:00:56,562
"Bad Taste," it's about aliens
that come down
4623
04:00:56,562 --> 04:01:02,306
and find the new taste sensation
on Earth is human flesh.
4624
04:01:02,306 --> 04:01:05,484
Tomorrow we're having you
for lunch.
4625
04:01:07,399 --> 04:01:09,314
It is a film
that only could have come
4626
04:01:09,314 --> 04:01:11,403
from the mind of Peter Jackson.
4627
04:01:13,536 --> 04:01:18,975
The aliens are these big,
dumb monsters
4628
04:01:18,975 --> 04:01:22,371
that have asses that
stick out really far.
4629
04:01:22,371 --> 04:01:24,460
They're not scary at all.
4630
04:01:24,460 --> 04:01:27,028
They're completely
meant to be dumb.
4631
04:01:32,294 --> 04:01:34,818
Peter Jackson is starring
in the film as well.
4632
04:01:34,818 --> 04:01:36,646
He plays a guy named Derek.
4633
04:01:36,646 --> 04:01:38,866
And as we know,
Dereks don't run.
4634
04:01:38,866 --> 04:01:41,259
I'm a Derek.
4635
04:01:41,259 --> 04:01:42,738
Dereks don't run.
4636
04:01:42,738 --> 04:01:45,698
He falls off a cliff
and his skull breaks open
4637
04:01:45,698 --> 04:01:48,005
so part of his brain falls out.
4638
04:01:50,660 --> 04:01:54,794
Throughout the film, his back
of his head keeps falling open,
4639
04:01:54,794 --> 04:01:57,275
and his brain
keeps getting exposed.
4640
04:01:59,189 --> 04:02:01,409
He starts picking up brains
along the way
4641
04:02:01,409 --> 04:02:04,107
and shoving them
back into his head,
4642
04:02:04,107 --> 04:02:06,501
and he takes his belt off
and puts it around his head
4643
04:02:06,501 --> 04:02:08,633
to keep his skull
closed to stop his brain
4644
04:02:08,633 --> 04:02:12,377
from falling out
all the time .
4645
04:02:12,377 --> 04:02:15,553
The effects in the movie
are outstanding.
4646
04:02:15,553 --> 04:02:17,165
You can actually look at this,
4647
04:02:17,165 --> 04:02:20,733
and if you look
at Peter Jackson's work
4648
04:02:20,733 --> 04:02:23,606
with "Lord of the Rings,"
4649
04:02:23,606 --> 04:02:31,092
you had the foundations of Weta,
who goes on to be this in-demand
4650
04:02:31,092 --> 04:02:34,269
Oscar award
winning effects company
4651
04:02:34,269 --> 04:02:38,403
that was making this
really goofy weird stuff
4652
04:02:38,403 --> 04:02:39,665
back in the '80s.
4653
04:08:01,857 --> 04:08:04,729
Announcer: This time,
he's back with a vengeance.
4654
04:08:07,341 --> 04:08:10,081
Halloween 5: The Revenge
of Michael Myers.
4655
04:08:10,081 --> 04:08:12,649
"Halloween 5" is the revenge
of Michael Myers,
4656
04:08:12,649 --> 04:08:14,738
And it's when the series
starts to introduce
4657
04:08:14,738 --> 04:08:16,524
some of the weirder aspects.
4658
04:08:16,524 --> 04:08:18,656
There's apparently
now a psychic connection
4659
04:08:18,656 --> 04:08:22,224
between Michael and Jamie Lloyd
and he's sporting a tattoo
4660
04:08:22,224 --> 04:08:25,402
that would come to be part
of the curse of the Thorne cult,
4661
04:08:25,402 --> 04:08:27,403
but you don't get
that weird green blood
4662
04:08:27,403 --> 04:08:29,405
that Michael Myers
has in the next one.
4663
04:08:31,538 --> 04:08:35,586
I rewatched 5, and it's actually
really, really good,
4664
04:08:35,586 --> 04:08:38,327
maybe even better than 2.
4665
04:08:40,330 --> 04:08:43,071
And it really is the return
of this horrific
4666
04:08:43,071 --> 04:08:46,379
mad man to his hometown.
4667
04:08:51,689 --> 04:08:55,083
Fundamentally, what is scary
about Michael Myers
4668
04:08:55,083 --> 04:08:58,696
is that mask, that rubber mask,
that white face,
4669
04:08:58,696 --> 04:09:00,698
that unknowable entity
4670
04:09:00,698 --> 04:09:03,004
that is consistent
throughout the franchise,
4671
04:09:03,004 --> 04:09:04,788
even though the mask changed,
4672
04:09:04,788 --> 04:09:07,836
I think not usually
for the better over the sequels,
4673
04:09:07,836 --> 04:09:13,102
people saw that original mask,
and went, "That is scary."
4674
04:09:13,102 --> 04:09:14,450
Every horror movie works
4675
04:09:14,450 --> 04:09:16,409
if it's got a well
written script,
4676
04:09:16,409 --> 04:09:18,846
it's not about budget,
it's about the story.
4677
04:09:18,846 --> 04:09:20,718
There has to be some
different elements
4678
04:09:20,718 --> 04:09:22,285
where you care
about the characters.
4679
04:09:22,285 --> 04:09:24,766
Can you kill him?
4680
04:09:24,766 --> 04:09:26,811
I think so.
4681
04:09:26,811 --> 04:09:29,466
-Wait a minute, Loomis
-There isn't a minute to wait.
4682
04:09:29,466 --> 04:09:31,075
And that's kind of the whole
crux of that movie,
4683
04:09:31,075 --> 04:09:32,816
and why we care, because we know
the showdown is coming
4684
04:09:32,816 --> 04:09:34,645
between characters
that we care about,
4685
04:09:34,645 --> 04:09:37,821
And that's why the movie
resonates because you care
4686
04:09:37,821 --> 04:09:40,912
about what happens
at the finish of this movie.
4687
04:09:40,912 --> 04:09:44,089
Oh, God.
4688
04:09:55,623 --> 04:09:58,973
Announcer: "Shocker."
4689
04:09:58,973 --> 04:10:01,236
Horace Pinker
is a serial killer,
4690
04:10:01,236 --> 04:10:02,325
he goes on death row...
4691
04:10:04,152 --> 04:10:05,719
...death by electric chair.
4692
04:10:07,330 --> 04:10:12,683
He gets shocked, but then,
like feels the power.
4693
04:10:12,683 --> 04:10:16,600
And survives it, and comes back
from the dead
4694
04:10:16,600 --> 04:10:18,340
as an electric murderer.
4695
04:10:20,864 --> 04:10:22,475
The reason why "Shocker"
really works
4696
04:10:22,475 --> 04:10:24,694
is because the character
of Horace Pinker,
4697
04:10:24,694 --> 04:10:27,218
the murderer,
is played by Mitch Pileggi
4698
04:10:27,218 --> 04:10:29,178
who was Skinner
in "The X Files."
4699
04:10:29,178 --> 04:10:32,006
He plays it really evil
and mean and straight.
4700
04:10:34,312 --> 04:10:37,359
Finger looking good.
4701
04:10:37,359 --> 04:10:39,274
He's got that look
and so it works.
4702
04:10:42,887 --> 04:10:45,324
Horace Pinker's makeup
was really interesting
4703
04:10:45,324 --> 04:10:48,153
in that everything in that movie
is practical, everything.
4704
04:10:48,153 --> 04:10:49,458
Shit!
4705
04:10:51,286 --> 04:10:54,638
I went to visit my boyfriend,
David Anderson, on the set.
4706
04:10:54,638 --> 04:10:57,206
They were rolling gurneys
out of the house,
4707
04:10:57,206 --> 04:10:59,687
And I'm like, "Wes, I'm gonna
get on one of the gurneys
4708
04:10:59,687 --> 04:11:01,078
and play a dead body."
He was like, "Great."
4709
04:11:01,078 --> 04:11:02,689
And then I just got on it
one of the gurneys
4710
04:11:02,689 --> 04:11:04,213
and they rolled me out
under a blanket.
4711
04:11:04,213 --> 04:11:05,605
That's me.
4712
04:11:05,605 --> 04:11:07,650
It was pretty ridiculous.
4713
04:11:07,650 --> 04:11:10,392
Somebody put me in the credits.
That was probably Wes.
4714
04:11:10,392 --> 04:11:12,220
He has a sense of humor.
4715
04:11:12,220 --> 04:11:14,309
Watching horror movies
being filmed by Wes Craven,
4716
04:11:14,309 --> 04:11:15,659
there's never a dull moment.
4717
04:11:18,575 --> 04:11:20,577
I've heard of audience
participation shows,
4718
04:11:20,577 --> 04:11:22,056
but this is ridiculous.
4719
04:11:22,056 --> 04:11:23,450
Jerico: When you talk about
the connection
4720
04:11:23,450 --> 04:11:25,060
between heavy metal
and horror movies,
4721
04:11:25,060 --> 04:11:26,843
"Shocker" is probably
the epitome of it
4722
04:11:26,843 --> 04:11:29,280
because they had some heavy
hitters on that soundtrack.
4723
04:11:29,280 --> 04:11:31,761
The theme song
is called "Shocker."
4724
04:11:31,761 --> 04:11:34,548
And it's by a band called
The Dudes of Wrath.
4725
04:11:42,120 --> 04:11:43,686
Who are The Dudes of Wrath?
4726
04:11:43,686 --> 04:11:46,560
Paul Stanley on vocals,
Desmond Child on vocals,
4727
04:11:46,560 --> 04:11:48,823
Rudy Sarzo on bass
from the Ozzy's band,
4728
04:11:48,823 --> 04:11:55,219
Tommy Lee on drums
and Guy Mann Dude on guitar.
4729
04:11:55,219 --> 04:11:56,526
There's no way
that can be a real name.
4730
04:12:02,139 --> 04:12:05,579
Announcer: "Silent Night,
Deadly Night 3:
4731
04:12:05,579 --> 04:12:07,144
Better Watch Out!"
4732
04:12:07,144 --> 04:12:10,105
Supported by full trade
and consumer advertising.
4733
04:12:10,105 --> 04:12:12,280
I'm playing Ricky
the Santa Claus killer.
4734
04:12:12,280 --> 04:12:15,197
Horror.
4735
04:12:15,197 --> 04:12:17,808
I've escaped from
the prison hospital,
4736
04:12:17,808 --> 04:12:20,854
I've come to after being
in some kind of a coma.
4737
04:12:20,854 --> 04:12:22,378
I'm wearing my brain cap,
4738
04:12:22,378 --> 04:12:24,989
which is basically
a clear salad bowl
4739
04:12:24,989 --> 04:12:27,383
with a bunch of blinking lights
with a rubber brain
4740
04:12:27,383 --> 04:12:31,953
with a bunch of orange liquid
swirling around in it.
4741
04:12:31,953 --> 04:12:35,390
I liked gutting Tony
from "West Side Story"
4742
04:12:35,390 --> 04:12:39,221
Richard Beymer, the therapist
going "Ricky, Ricky."
4743
04:12:39,221 --> 04:12:41,223
Come on, Ricky.
4744
04:12:41,223 --> 04:12:43,704
I don't like to hurt anybody
on the set.
4745
04:12:43,704 --> 04:12:45,836
I did a couple takes
and he complained
4746
04:12:45,836 --> 04:12:47,837
that I wasn't
doing it hard enough.
4747
04:12:47,837 --> 04:12:49,535
He challenged my manhood.
4748
04:12:49,535 --> 04:12:51,972
I remember, basically,
so it felt,
4749
04:12:51,972 --> 04:12:53,756
and so I did
really...
4750
04:12:53,756 --> 04:12:55,106
.
4751
04:12:56,890 --> 04:13:00,807
That got the Richard Beymer's
seal of approval.
4752
04:13:00,807 --> 04:13:02,939
Carlos Palomino picks me up
4753
04:13:02,939 --> 04:13:04,986
for a middleweight boxing
champion of the world.
4754
04:13:04,986 --> 04:13:06,464
Merry Christmas, buddy.
4755
04:13:06,464 --> 04:13:08,423
Hop in.
4756
04:13:08,423 --> 04:13:09,947
Working his way up
the ladder
4757
04:13:09,947 --> 04:13:11,469
in the acting business.
4758
04:13:13,559 --> 04:13:15,517
What happened to you, man?
4759
04:13:15,517 --> 04:13:16,954
You get a head transplant?
4760
04:13:16,954 --> 04:13:18,782
That's the last we see
of Carlos.
4761
04:13:18,782 --> 04:13:22,002
The next thing we see of me is
I'm wearing Carlos's clothes
4762
04:13:22,002 --> 04:13:25,920
and I'm knocking on the door
of a -- of a house.
4763
04:13:25,920 --> 04:13:27,790
Yes?
4764
04:13:27,790 --> 04:13:30,707
An old, kindly old woman
opens up and she goes,
4765
04:13:30,707 --> 04:13:32,316
"Oh, you look like
you're a homeless man.
4766
04:13:32,316 --> 04:13:35,145
Why don't you come in,
I'll give you something to eat."
4767
04:13:35,145 --> 04:13:38,758
I had a fear, a secret actors
fear and that was --
4768
04:13:38,758 --> 04:13:40,543
that I would
never be able to cry.
4769
04:13:40,543 --> 04:13:43,980
Some actors really just were
in touch with their emotions.
4770
04:13:43,980 --> 04:13:46,287
They could turn the, you know,
the water on and off
4771
04:13:46,287 --> 04:13:47,854
and I just thought,
4772
04:13:47,854 --> 04:13:50,204
"Geez, I'll never be able
to do that."
4773
04:13:50,204 --> 04:13:53,424
And I remember looking up
at this kind -- this lady,
4774
04:13:53,424 --> 04:13:54,991
they beautifully cast.
4775
04:13:54,991 --> 04:13:57,994
She's beaming down at me,
and I started to cry.
4776
04:13:57,994 --> 04:14:00,257
This moment was so loving,
4777
04:14:00,257 --> 04:14:02,999
the tears started
falling out of my eyes,
4778
04:14:02,999 --> 04:14:08,876
and then all of a sudden
Monte goes, "And cut.
4779
04:14:08,876 --> 04:14:10,704
"Sotto voce."
4780
04:14:10,704 --> 04:14:15,883
And all of a sudden the crew
starts spontaneously clapping.
4781
04:14:15,883 --> 04:14:17,492
As these tears are coming down
4782
04:14:17,492 --> 04:14:20,322
Ricky the Santa Claus
killer's cheeks,
4783
04:14:20,322 --> 04:14:23,759
and I just remember thinking,
"This is fucking weird."
4784
04:14:34,728 --> 04:14:36,685
Woman: Did you really
kill your mama?
4785
04:14:36,685 --> 04:14:38,034
What?
4786
04:14:38,034 --> 04:14:40,907
Did you really
kill your mama?
4787
04:14:40,907 --> 04:14:44,259
The power of that movie
is the truth of that movie.
4788
04:14:44,259 --> 04:14:45,520
"Henry: Portrait
of a Serial Killer"
4789
04:14:45,520 --> 04:14:47,740
was based on a true story.
4790
04:14:47,740 --> 04:14:49,829
It's something
that goes for the gut.
4791
04:14:54,007 --> 04:14:57,880
I personally love to hate
serial killer movies.
4792
04:14:57,880 --> 04:15:01,579
They scare me a lot because
they're representative
4793
04:15:01,579 --> 04:15:04,582
of something
that really happens.
4794
04:15:04,582 --> 04:15:06,846
"Henry: Portrait
of a Serial Killer,"
4795
04:15:06,846 --> 04:15:12,025
that one feels
very raw and gritty.
4796
04:15:12,025 --> 04:15:14,375
Don't do that, Otis,
she's your sister.
4797
04:15:14,375 --> 04:15:16,203
Okay, I was only kidding
around, Henry.
4798
04:15:16,203 --> 04:15:18,292
-Tell her you're sorry.
-Okay.
4799
04:15:18,292 --> 04:15:20,816
They did that on a very,
very low budget.
4800
04:15:20,816 --> 04:15:24,342
That was one of the first movies
that Michael Rooker did.
4801
04:15:24,342 --> 04:15:27,693
His performance in that film
is so scary.
4802
04:15:27,693 --> 04:15:30,304
Henry: You strangle one
and stab another and
4803
04:15:30,304 --> 04:15:32,436
one when you cut up,
one you don't,
4804
04:15:32,436 --> 04:15:34,134
then police don't know
what to do.
4805
04:15:34,134 --> 04:15:36,398
Seemingly having a normal life
4806
04:15:36,398 --> 04:15:39,313
with kind of an almost
girlfriend and a friend,
4807
04:15:39,313 --> 04:15:41,968
and he was living with somebody
4808
04:15:41,968 --> 04:15:46,581
but all the while committing
these crazy murders is chilling.
4809
04:15:49,410 --> 04:15:52,282
I'm really fascinated by this
sort of psychological reasons
4810
04:15:52,282 --> 04:15:54,023
why we become who we are,
4811
04:15:54,023 --> 04:15:57,245
And that is an obvious
clear case of some sort
4812
04:15:57,245 --> 04:16:00,290
of deep childhood trauma
that hasn't been addressed,
4813
04:16:00,290 --> 04:16:03,163
and some sort of unhealthy
relationship with his mom.
4814
04:16:03,163 --> 04:16:06,079
Mentally unstable people
with childhood traumas
4815
04:16:06,079 --> 04:16:08,124
who then manifest those traumas
4816
04:16:08,124 --> 04:16:11,868
into real life horror shows,
it happens.
4817
04:16:13,914 --> 04:16:15,436
And that is scary.
4818
04:16:15,436 --> 04:16:21,008
Sometimes you beat me,
make me wear a dress,
4819
04:16:21,008 --> 04:16:22,791
watch you doing it.
4820
04:16:22,791 --> 04:16:26,447
This is less of a, you know,
exploitation movie
4821
04:16:26,447 --> 04:16:28,145
and more of a character study,
4822
04:16:28,145 --> 04:16:30,190
and that's the kind of stuff
I dial into.
4823
04:16:30,190 --> 04:16:33,193
Maybe there is a line
that you can cross.
4824
04:16:33,193 --> 04:16:35,804
"Henry: Portrait of a Serial
Killer" came close to that...
4825
04:16:38,676 --> 04:16:40,330
...but that just makes
a great horror movie
4826
04:16:40,330 --> 04:16:42,724
that gets under your skin
and becomes super memorable.
4827
04:16:53,822 --> 04:16:56,912
There's so many things that
a horror film can do for you,
4828
04:16:56,912 --> 04:17:02,352
and I think a lot of the fans
find it very healing
4829
04:17:02,352 --> 04:17:06,661
that have gone through things
or going through things.
4830
04:17:06,661 --> 04:17:10,186
They find hope in that,
and they think --
4831
04:17:10,186 --> 04:17:13,016
they live through you
vicariously going,
4832
04:17:13,016 --> 04:17:14,669
"I'm gonna kick ass,
4833
04:17:14,669 --> 04:17:16,976
I'm gonna get rid of all
these bad things in my life."
4834
04:17:19,587 --> 04:17:22,372
And I've had fans come
and say that to me,
4835
04:17:22,372 --> 04:17:24,679
I didn't have friends
or I was teased
4836
04:17:24,679 --> 04:17:26,333
or gender issues.
4837
04:17:26,333 --> 04:17:30,163
And this was one world where
the monster gets payback
4838
04:17:30,163 --> 04:17:31,729
when you're a kid.
4839
04:17:37,866 --> 04:17:40,956
I've been bullied,
I've been an outcast.
4840
04:17:40,956 --> 04:17:44,177
And I think that is kind of
what resonates with fans,
4841
04:17:44,177 --> 04:17:46,310
because a lot of my fans
will tell me
4842
04:17:46,310 --> 04:17:48,964
they've had similar issues
4843
04:17:48,964 --> 04:17:51,227
when they were a kid
or a teenager.
4844
04:17:51,227 --> 04:17:53,577
People are watching horror
because it's,
4845
04:17:53,577 --> 04:17:55,188
"Oh, I see myself in it.
4846
04:17:55,188 --> 04:17:57,146
Oh, this got me
through a tough time.
4847
04:17:57,146 --> 04:17:59,105
Oh, this final girl reminded me
of this trauma
4848
04:17:59,105 --> 04:18:00,671
that I experienced."
4849
04:18:00,671 --> 04:18:03,849
And they're turning it
into a kind of therapy.
4850
04:18:03,849 --> 04:18:05,720
People are even kind
of dissecting
4851
04:18:05,720 --> 04:18:07,375
what the movies meant to them.
4852
04:18:07,375 --> 04:18:09,637
it's refreshing because all
I've been hearing about,
4853
04:18:09,637 --> 04:18:10,681
"Oh, it's such a great movie."
4854
04:18:10,681 --> 04:18:12,509
But now "it's a great movie,
4855
04:18:12,509 --> 04:18:15,861
because this is what it meant
to me and this is why."
4856
04:18:15,861 --> 04:18:17,514
Horror is personal.
4857
04:18:17,514 --> 04:18:19,734
I think it represents not only
our personal styles
4858
04:18:19,734 --> 04:18:22,780
and our personal feelings,
you know, about the genre
4859
04:18:22,780 --> 04:18:24,652
and what we love about it.
4860
04:18:24,652 --> 04:18:27,263
But I think for a lot of us,
it becomes part of our journey.
4861
04:18:27,263 --> 04:18:30,266
for as scary as it can be
and as fun as it can be,
4862
04:18:30,266 --> 04:18:33,575
regardless of the quote
unquote quality of it,
4863
04:18:33,575 --> 04:18:35,402
It still means something to us.
4864
04:18:35,402 --> 04:18:38,100
We're talking about this,
like, incredibly respected,
4865
04:18:38,100 --> 04:18:42,104
well done horror film, or this
sort of campy horror film
4866
04:18:42,104 --> 04:18:44,063
that's actually terrible
but everyone loves it,
4867
04:18:44,063 --> 04:18:45,847
and everything in between.
4868
04:18:45,847 --> 04:18:49,155
It's kind of inspiring to see
people so deeply excited
4869
04:18:49,155 --> 04:18:50,939
and invested in entertainment.
4870
04:18:50,939 --> 04:18:52,549
You know, it feeds them.
4871
04:18:54,160 --> 04:18:55,857
They stand the test of time,
because they're --
4872
04:18:55,857 --> 04:18:57,990
they're super fun.
4873
04:18:57,990 --> 04:19:00,862
When you look at a lot of films,
specifically horror movies
4874
04:19:00,862 --> 04:19:02,951
during the '80s,
they were taking a beating
4875
04:19:02,951 --> 04:19:04,648
left and right from critics.
4876
04:19:04,648 --> 04:19:06,041
But I think that
kind of goes to show
4877
04:19:06,041 --> 04:19:08,217
that you really
shouldn't judge movies
4878
04:19:08,217 --> 04:19:11,612
based on sort of that time
that they released,
4879
04:19:11,612 --> 04:19:13,702
because ultimately,
I think they're gonna live on
4880
04:19:13,702 --> 04:19:16,747
and in very different ways
and come to mean a lot to fans.
4881
04:19:16,747 --> 04:19:19,620
I think we're all missing
our youth, basically.
4882
04:19:19,620 --> 04:19:21,535
The '80s to me was a great time.
4883
04:19:21,535 --> 04:19:25,626
I was vibrant more.
4884
04:19:25,626 --> 04:19:29,021
So the nostalgia
is breaking down meaning.
4885
04:19:29,021 --> 04:19:31,327
The good, the bad,
the in between.
4886
04:19:31,327 --> 04:19:34,287
It all means something to all
of us, in one way or another.
4887
04:19:34,287 --> 04:19:36,463
Emotions and memories
and nostalgia
4888
04:19:36,463 --> 04:19:38,378
that it's tied to these films
4889
04:19:38,378 --> 04:19:40,684
for a lot of us who grew up
during that time.
4890
04:19:40,684 --> 04:19:43,252
Film is an art unto itself.
4891
04:19:43,252 --> 04:19:44,993
You need to look back
at its history
4892
04:19:44,993 --> 04:19:47,474
because it's not
only the technology,
4893
04:19:47,474 --> 04:19:49,693
it's the storytelling,
the narrative.
4894
04:19:49,693 --> 04:19:53,306
There's only so many stories
to tell around the campfire.
4895
04:19:53,306 --> 04:19:57,049
Never neglect that stuff,
even if your appreciation for it
4896
04:19:57,049 --> 04:20:02,793
is as something primitive,
and -- and -- and old and naive.
4897
04:20:02,793 --> 04:20:04,273
You still need to see it.
4898
04:20:04,273 --> 04:20:05,971
I think there's so much access
4899
04:20:05,971 --> 04:20:11,193
to just everything now
that a lot of stuff gets lost.
4900
04:20:11,193 --> 04:20:14,849
So if you curate the ones
4901
04:20:14,849 --> 04:20:17,808
that you feel
are important to be seen,
4902
04:20:17,808 --> 04:20:19,375
then you bring attention
4903
04:20:19,375 --> 04:20:21,334
that they might
not have gotten otherwise.
4904
04:20:21,334 --> 04:20:22,988
Curation is key.
4905
04:20:22,988 --> 04:20:25,207
Nobile: I think it's important
to keep digging up films
4906
04:20:25,207 --> 04:20:27,383
and putting them
in front of new eyeballs,
4907
04:20:27,383 --> 04:20:29,690
because the pool is just
getting more and more narrow.
4908
04:20:29,690 --> 04:20:31,170
I don't know, I just want people
to be excited
4909
04:20:31,170 --> 04:20:34,087
about the discovery
of these older films.
4910
04:20:34,087 --> 04:20:36,610
Word of mouth keeps
'80s horror alive.
4911
04:20:36,610 --> 04:20:38,133
i have a list at home,
4912
04:20:38,133 --> 04:20:39,917
things I have not seen
that I need to watch.
4913
04:20:39,917 --> 04:20:42,703
Because of the horror community,
every time something comes up
4914
04:20:42,703 --> 04:20:45,227
that I haven't seen,
I write it down,
4915
04:20:45,227 --> 04:20:46,707
because how could you --
4916
04:20:46,707 --> 04:20:48,622
how could I have missed that,
you know?
4917
04:20:48,622 --> 04:20:51,103
The horror family is a family.
4918
04:20:51,103 --> 04:20:54,280
The knowledge base
there is incredible.
4919
04:20:54,280 --> 04:20:56,282
I think revisiting the films
is really interesting
4920
04:20:56,282 --> 04:20:58,545
if you revisit them
at later points in your life,
4921
04:20:58,545 --> 04:21:00,764
so you can revisit a film,
a well made film,
4922
04:21:00,764 --> 04:21:04,203
and it will yield
new things for you.
4923
04:21:04,203 --> 04:21:07,684
That's incredibly
influential to me.
4924
04:21:10,035 --> 04:21:11,514
People can talk about
'80s horror
4925
04:21:11,514 --> 04:21:13,125
till the sun comes up.
4926
04:21:13,125 --> 04:21:14,561
I sure do.
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