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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,630 [unsettling music] 2 00:00:21,830 --> 00:00:29,110 ♪ 3 00:00:34,290 --> 00:00:39,090 [fly buzzing] 4 00:00:39,290 --> 00:00:44,480 ♪ 5 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:46,490 [woman breathing heavily] 6 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,220 It's--I think it's-- it's whatever's here. 7 00:00:52,530 --> 00:00:54,970 Whatever is here is-- [breathing heavily] 8 00:00:55,170 --> 00:00:56,360 [man] Is it trying to harm you? 9 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:57,630 Yes. 10 00:00:57,830 --> 00:01:01,460 It's like a black shadow that forms a hood. 11 00:01:01,660 --> 00:01:03,500 [reporter] Surrounded by pastoral charm 12 00:01:03,700 --> 00:01:05,420 in a quaint Long Island township 13 00:01:05,620 --> 00:01:07,030 stands a wooden frame house 14 00:01:07,230 --> 00:01:08,330 that some folk claim is haunted. 15 00:01:08,530 --> 00:01:15,460 ♪ 16 00:01:24,860 --> 00:01:27,090 [dog growling, barking] 17 00:01:27,290 --> 00:01:28,220 [interviewer] George and Kathleen Lutz 18 00:01:28,420 --> 00:01:29,350 are with us this morning to talk about 19 00:01:29,550 --> 00:01:31,230 what happened in Amityville. 20 00:01:31,430 --> 00:01:33,310 Within a week, Kathy's hand had been touched 21 00:01:33,510 --> 00:01:36,710 by something that we discussed and couldn't explain. 22 00:01:36,910 --> 00:01:38,150 It was just something unseen. 23 00:01:38,350 --> 00:01:40,500 We also had hordes of flies 24 00:01:40,700 --> 00:01:43,110 that would appear within two rooms. 25 00:01:43,310 --> 00:01:44,540 You played George in the movie. 26 00:01:44,740 --> 00:01:47,200 - [James] Mm-hmm. - And you did research this. 27 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,370 I didn't realize what I was getting into. 28 00:01:49,570 --> 00:01:52,680 The Amityville Horror is an experience in terror 29 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,470 you will never forget. 30 00:01:55,670 --> 00:01:57,690 [distant scream] 31 00:01:57,890 --> 00:02:03,430 ♪ 32 00:02:03,630 --> 00:02:06,220 I remember the tagline. "For God's sakes, get out." 33 00:02:06,420 --> 00:02:11,740 ♪ 34 00:02:11,940 --> 00:02:13,490 [interviewer] Do you plan to show the movie here? 35 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:14,790 No, we don't. 36 00:02:14,990 --> 00:02:16,880 Our people put up quite a stink. 37 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:21,450 And the distributor agreed not to show it in Amityville. 38 00:02:21,650 --> 00:02:24,840 [Carol] People forgot after seeing The Amityville Horror 39 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,200 the true tragedy of really what happened. 40 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:33,550 ♪ 41 00:02:33,750 --> 00:02:36,200 I lost a whole family in one night. 42 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,420 ♪ 43 00:02:38,620 --> 00:02:41,560 And I couldn't bring them back. 44 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,470 ♪ 45 00:02:43,670 --> 00:02:45,690 [reporter] A young man murdered, in cold blood, 46 00:02:45,890 --> 00:02:48,690 his father, mother, four brothers, and sisters 47 00:02:48,890 --> 00:02:52,210 because voices told him to do it. 48 00:02:53,470 --> 00:02:54,790 [man] Nobody was drugged. 49 00:02:54,990 --> 00:02:56,790 Nobody heard any shots. 50 00:02:56,990 --> 00:03:00,180 And to this day, all the clever lawyers 51 00:03:00,380 --> 00:03:03,540 and all the police officers have no answer to this. 52 00:03:03,730 --> 00:03:07,800 Because they just aren't qualified to understand it. 53 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,450 ♪ 54 00:03:13,010 --> 00:03:15,720 [eerie music] 55 00:03:15,920 --> 00:03:22,810 ♪ 56 00:03:52,970 --> 00:04:00,240 ♪ 57 00:04:11,070 --> 00:04:13,910 [soft dramatic music] 58 00:04:14,110 --> 00:04:21,340 ♪ 59 00:04:22,610 --> 00:04:25,310 [Kathy] We also had hordes of flies 60 00:04:25,510 --> 00:04:27,840 that would appear within two rooms. 61 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,270 And no matter how many times we would kill them, 62 00:04:30,470 --> 00:04:32,410 they'd reappeared. 63 00:04:32,610 --> 00:04:34,450 My name is Christopher Quaratino. 64 00:04:34,650 --> 00:04:36,850 I'm formerly known as Christopher Lutz, 65 00:04:37,050 --> 00:04:39,020 Kathy Lutz's son. 66 00:04:39,220 --> 00:04:42,370 The Amityville Horror is called a true story. 67 00:04:42,570 --> 00:04:45,460 And what really happened is, 68 00:04:45,660 --> 00:04:49,900 to me, more traumatic. 69 00:04:50,100 --> 00:04:53,730 And it was something that I would like to have 70 00:04:53,930 --> 00:04:55,950 just forgotten about. 71 00:04:56,150 --> 00:04:59,300 ♪ 72 00:04:59,500 --> 00:05:00,910 Unfortunately, I wasn't able to do that. 73 00:05:01,110 --> 00:05:03,860 And now, it's time to set that record straight. 74 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:12,870 ♪ 75 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:21,630 The first time I went to go see the house in Amityville 76 00:05:21,830 --> 00:05:25,590 would've been when my parents were serious about buying it. 77 00:05:25,790 --> 00:05:27,940 The real estate agent was there. 78 00:05:28,140 --> 00:05:29,770 I was just a kid. 79 00:05:29,970 --> 00:05:32,730 And I'm, like, checking out this new, big sprawling place, 80 00:05:32,930 --> 00:05:34,330 a new playground. 81 00:05:36,940 --> 00:05:39,520 To me, it was like, this place is huge. 82 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,340 We'd never had a house that large. 83 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,310 George and Kathy asked me to go out with them 84 00:05:47,510 --> 00:05:48,610 to look at the house 85 00:05:48,810 --> 00:05:50,610 that they were interested in buying. 86 00:05:52,090 --> 00:05:53,920 It went right up to the sound. 87 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,620 So the--the water was right behind the house. 88 00:05:57,820 --> 00:05:59,320 There was a big stretch of land 89 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,540 to get from the house to the sound. 90 00:06:01,740 --> 00:06:03,450 And there was a whole boathouse. 91 00:06:03,650 --> 00:06:06,630 [gulls squawking] 92 00:06:06,830 --> 00:06:10,450 It was very pretty neighborhood, very quiet. 93 00:06:11,930 --> 00:06:14,030 [gulls squawking] 94 00:06:14,230 --> 00:06:18,380 ♪ 95 00:06:18,580 --> 00:06:19,910 They gave me a camera 96 00:06:20,100 --> 00:06:23,420 and they asked me to take pictures of the house. 97 00:06:26,210 --> 00:06:29,350 And we spent a good hour or so walking around the house 98 00:06:29,550 --> 00:06:32,700 'cause it was a big house. 99 00:06:32,900 --> 00:06:35,520 We walked in and there was this marble floor... 100 00:06:38,180 --> 00:06:41,610 a beautiful banister going up three stories... 101 00:06:44,140 --> 00:06:46,980 and you could look from the foyer and look up 102 00:06:47,180 --> 00:06:50,680 and you could see the balcony on the third-floor landing. 103 00:06:50,870 --> 00:06:53,630 It was beautiful. The house was gorgeous. 104 00:06:53,830 --> 00:06:55,770 [Mrs. Townsend] You'll see what a beauty this is. 105 00:06:55,970 --> 00:06:58,800 [birds chirping] 106 00:07:01,590 --> 00:07:03,860 There's nothing like it on the market, 107 00:07:04,060 --> 00:07:05,770 not at this price. 108 00:07:08,900 --> 00:07:11,440 - Come in. Come on in. - [Kathy] Thank you. 109 00:07:11,630 --> 00:07:12,520 [Townsend] Impressive, isn't it? 110 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,090 [Kathy] Mm-hmm. 111 00:07:14,290 --> 00:07:15,870 As soon as Kathy walked in the front door, 112 00:07:16,070 --> 00:07:20,180 she just had this smile like this was it. 113 00:07:20,380 --> 00:07:21,970 I describe the house as charming 114 00:07:22,170 --> 00:07:23,100 the first time I saw it 115 00:07:23,300 --> 00:07:24,750 because that's what I thought of it. 116 00:07:24,950 --> 00:07:27,670 [eerie music] 117 00:07:27,870 --> 00:07:34,020 ♪ 118 00:07:34,220 --> 00:07:37,200 [Carol] Before we left, George and Kathy asked me 119 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,730 if I felt anything in the house. 120 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,730 I don't know why, but there was just something 121 00:07:43,930 --> 00:07:45,900 that made me feel strange. 122 00:07:48,770 --> 00:07:51,780 And that's when they showed me the bullet holes. 123 00:07:51,980 --> 00:07:58,910 ♪ 124 00:08:16,670 --> 00:08:18,110 When George showed me the bullet holes, 125 00:08:18,310 --> 00:08:21,420 he was actually laughing, 126 00:08:21,620 --> 00:08:23,720 not because of what had happened, 127 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,420 but for the fact that he did not believe that 128 00:08:27,620 --> 00:08:29,770 there was anything in this house 129 00:08:29,970 --> 00:08:32,520 that would stop him from buying it. 130 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,870 [both laughing] 131 00:08:35,070 --> 00:08:39,960 The house was on the market for $100,000. 132 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,920 We made an offer of $80,000. It was accepted. 133 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,140 And we moved into this beautiful 134 00:08:46,340 --> 00:08:49,880 4,000 square foot home 135 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:54,760 on the water with a heated pool, full basement, 136 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,670 boathouse, garage, 137 00:08:56,870 --> 00:08:59,540 and we thought we were home. 138 00:08:59,740 --> 00:09:02,590 [upbeat funk music] 139 00:09:02,790 --> 00:09:09,810 ♪ 140 00:09:29,830 --> 00:09:31,580 [Christopher] My mom had divorced my real dad 141 00:09:31,770 --> 00:09:34,620 when I was about five. 142 00:09:34,820 --> 00:09:37,150 Mom was Irish. Dad was Italian. 143 00:09:37,350 --> 00:09:40,500 [singer] ♪ Started a business deal 144 00:09:40,700 --> 00:09:42,930 [Christopher] My mom was an angel. 145 00:09:43,130 --> 00:09:44,850 They had my older brother Danny first. 146 00:09:45,050 --> 00:09:46,760 And then I was second. 147 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,160 And then came my younger sister Melissa. 148 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,730 [singer] ♪ Love was the last Thing that crossed my mind ♪ 149 00:09:52,930 --> 00:09:55,950 ♪ But business 150 00:09:56,150 --> 00:09:57,950 [Christopher] After the divorce, 151 00:09:58,150 --> 00:10:01,870 Mom, she was working as a waitress. 152 00:10:02,070 --> 00:10:05,130 George used to come in to where she'd work 153 00:10:05,330 --> 00:10:09,080 and sit in her section, and he was fond of her. 154 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,230 One night, her car wouldn't start. 155 00:10:13,420 --> 00:10:14,960 She began to walk home. 156 00:10:16,310 --> 00:10:18,620 George showed up as a hero on his Harley, 157 00:10:18,820 --> 00:10:19,880 gave her a ride home. 158 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:21,630 And pretty soon, Mom had sold her house 159 00:10:21,820 --> 00:10:24,880 and we moved into the Amityville house. 160 00:10:31,060 --> 00:10:32,640 My mom was excited about it. 161 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,110 It was an exciting time for all of us. 162 00:10:51,380 --> 00:10:54,090 [Joe] On the cuff of my jeans, all my jeans, 163 00:10:54,290 --> 00:10:57,360 I had angel wings with Harley-Davidson in the middle. 164 00:10:57,560 --> 00:11:02,620 They were, like, three inches wide, an inch tall. 165 00:11:02,820 --> 00:11:05,840 And this guy next to me is looking at my cuff and says, 166 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,930 "Hey, uh, you ride a motorcycle?" 167 00:11:09,130 --> 00:11:10,940 I said, "Yeah, I have a Harley-Davidson." 168 00:11:11,130 --> 00:11:15,850 He says, "Yeah, so do I. My name is George Lutz." 169 00:11:16,050 --> 00:11:19,640 He said his grandfather owned a surveying company, 170 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,730 and he was now running the business, 171 00:11:22,930 --> 00:11:25,300 which gave him time, I think, to hang out 172 00:11:25,500 --> 00:11:26,780 on the Harley-Davidson. 173 00:11:26,980 --> 00:11:29,780 [electric guitar playing] 174 00:11:29,980 --> 00:11:36,950 ♪ 175 00:11:40,170 --> 00:11:43,660 In those days, guys were chopping their motorcycles, 176 00:11:43,860 --> 00:11:47,100 extended front ends, lots of chrome, 177 00:11:47,300 --> 00:11:48,970 high handlebars. 178 00:11:49,170 --> 00:11:50,800 And I rode with a bunch of guys that 179 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:52,980 had bikes like that. 180 00:11:53,180 --> 00:11:57,160 And that's the group I introduced George to. 181 00:11:57,350 --> 00:11:58,720 And we just took him into the group 182 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,810 like he was one of the guys. 183 00:12:02,010 --> 00:12:04,860 [tense music] 184 00:12:05,060 --> 00:12:05,860 [Christopher] I think the first time 185 00:12:06,060 --> 00:12:07,120 I remember meeting George, 186 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,950 he showed up on that Harley trike. 187 00:12:10,150 --> 00:12:11,470 By then, I was riding a two-wheel bike, 188 00:12:11,670 --> 00:12:13,480 but I still had my big wheel. 189 00:12:13,680 --> 00:12:15,780 And I saw that Harley trike with the wheelie bars on it. 190 00:12:15,980 --> 00:12:19,000 And its loud engine was, like, 191 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,180 you know, definitely cooler than my big wheel. 192 00:12:22,380 --> 00:12:24,440 I remember he gave us kids each a ride on it. 193 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,960 And it was pretty impressive. 194 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:30,280 He was into Harleys big time. 195 00:12:30,470 --> 00:12:34,410 He also had a really big chopper. 196 00:12:34,610 --> 00:12:37,200 It was fun to be around. 197 00:12:37,390 --> 00:12:40,420 Early on, everything was like, it's a new friend. 198 00:12:40,620 --> 00:12:41,850 He's got cool things. 199 00:12:42,050 --> 00:12:44,200 And he was a black belt in jujitsu. 200 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,340 He started getting us boys involved in jujitsu classes 201 00:12:47,540 --> 00:12:49,770 and starting to learn to fight and how to defend yourself. 202 00:12:49,970 --> 00:12:52,040 And so it was all new. 203 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,000 It was somebody that was a man figure that was there 204 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:59,780 and kind to us, and-- and, uh, and Mom liked him, 205 00:12:59,980 --> 00:13:01,350 and that was that. 206 00:13:01,550 --> 00:13:04,920 ♪ 207 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,090 [Carol] After he married Kathy, 208 00:13:07,290 --> 00:13:11,010 the children looked like they were very happy with George. 209 00:13:11,210 --> 00:13:13,060 They got along with him well. 210 00:13:13,260 --> 00:13:15,930 He seemed to be a very good father, 211 00:13:16,130 --> 00:13:19,020 especially to the boys. 212 00:13:19,220 --> 00:13:21,810 I think Danny was nine, 213 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,070 Christopher was seven, 214 00:13:23,270 --> 00:13:26,720 and Missy was five and she was adorable. 215 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:28,980 All the kids were really nice. 216 00:13:30,980 --> 00:13:34,170 Kathy was a very good mother. 217 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,950 She was a very sweet, innocent, 218 00:13:37,150 --> 00:13:40,560 beautiful, beautiful person. 219 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,350 George and Kathy were young parents. 220 00:13:43,550 --> 00:13:48,830 ♪ 221 00:13:49,030 --> 00:13:50,310 We love this house. 222 00:13:50,510 --> 00:13:52,100 We were so happy to get that house. 223 00:13:52,300 --> 00:13:55,320 We really wanted to live there. 224 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,140 There was such a desire on our part 225 00:13:57,340 --> 00:14:02,060 to move in and be a family there. 226 00:14:02,260 --> 00:14:03,890 [Christopher] It was the time where I was just a kid 227 00:14:04,090 --> 00:14:07,460 and running around different places 228 00:14:07,660 --> 00:14:08,850 to explore and look around. 229 00:14:09,050 --> 00:14:12,250 And I was exploring my new room 230 00:14:12,450 --> 00:14:17,300 and looking out that quarter round window. 231 00:14:17,490 --> 00:14:19,340 We'd only been in two-story homes before, 232 00:14:19,540 --> 00:14:22,250 so a three-story was, like, cool. 233 00:14:24,210 --> 00:14:26,960 I remember about that bedroom that 234 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,000 the weird and kind of colorful and cool 235 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,140 and interesting wallpaper. 236 00:14:33,340 --> 00:14:36,010 The one wall being all, like, dots, 237 00:14:36,210 --> 00:14:38,010 but then the other side where it had, like, 238 00:14:38,210 --> 00:14:40,270 all these old-fashioned drawings. 239 00:14:40,470 --> 00:14:44,240 And I remember a lady on there with a hat. 240 00:14:44,430 --> 00:14:47,280 ♪ 241 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:51,020 In my closet, there was a hook. 242 00:14:51,220 --> 00:14:54,900 I had this bag that had a drawstring, 243 00:14:55,100 --> 00:14:57,810 and I hooked it on there. 244 00:14:58,010 --> 00:15:05,030 ♪ 245 00:15:09,340 --> 00:15:12,050 The weight of it caused the paneling... 246 00:15:12,250 --> 00:15:14,340 - [wood bangs] - ...to tip forward. 247 00:15:17,220 --> 00:15:19,920 And that revealed, like, an area 248 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,230 that was behind there. 249 00:15:22,430 --> 00:15:29,360 ♪ 250 00:15:43,810 --> 00:15:46,650 The Realtor told us after we had toured the house, 251 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,260 this is the house the DeFeos were murdered in, 252 00:15:50,460 --> 00:15:55,130 the news stories that had been a year earlier. 253 00:15:55,330 --> 00:15:58,220 We talked about it at length as a family. 254 00:15:58,420 --> 00:16:00,180 We asked the kids, "Look, you're gonna have 255 00:16:00,380 --> 00:16:02,310 the same bedrooms that these kids had, 256 00:16:02,510 --> 00:16:03,360 and they were killed here." 257 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:07,140 "Is that gonna be a problem?" 258 00:16:07,340 --> 00:16:10,320 And they were all fine with it. 259 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,240 It wasn't a snap decision by any means. 260 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,540 ♪ 261 00:16:16,740 --> 00:16:19,070 [Joe] George told me that he bought the house. 262 00:16:19,270 --> 00:16:21,680 He paid 80,000 for it, 263 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:23,420 had to furnish it, 264 00:16:23,620 --> 00:16:25,640 bought some of the furniture that was in the house 265 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:27,900 from the DeFeo estate. 266 00:16:28,100 --> 00:16:35,120 ♪ 267 00:16:39,730 --> 00:16:41,440 When he first saw the house, 268 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,010 there was still some blood in some of the rooms 269 00:16:44,210 --> 00:16:46,010 and on some of the furniture. 270 00:16:46,210 --> 00:16:47,360 It was kind of strange. 271 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:54,440 ♪ 272 00:17:08,850 --> 00:17:13,120 [eerie music] 273 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,290 [insects buzzing] 274 00:17:36,350 --> 00:17:38,190 [Christopher] On the second floor, 275 00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:40,150 in the sewing room, 276 00:17:40,350 --> 00:17:41,190 there was a lot of flies there, 277 00:17:41,390 --> 00:17:42,330 and that was the first place 278 00:17:42,530 --> 00:17:44,190 that I had seen them. 279 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,330 There was times when you'd feel a chill. 280 00:17:50,530 --> 00:17:57,460 ♪ 281 00:18:23,230 --> 00:18:26,020 And then, I remember the awkward moment 282 00:18:26,220 --> 00:18:27,550 where I was in the basement 283 00:18:27,740 --> 00:18:33,120 and Mom and George were down there. 284 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,380 And I remember asking, 285 00:18:35,580 --> 00:18:39,860 "Is this where they hid the bodies?" 286 00:18:40,060 --> 00:18:41,730 I remember Mom looking at George 287 00:18:41,930 --> 00:18:43,520 and George looking at Mom, 288 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:45,080 and then they all looked at me. 289 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,700 And nobody answered the question. 290 00:18:47,900 --> 00:18:51,430 [flies buzzing] 291 00:18:53,390 --> 00:18:56,180 [dreamy sitar music] 292 00:18:56,380 --> 00:19:02,150 ♪ 293 00:19:02,340 --> 00:19:04,190 [reporter] The Maharishi Mahesh Yogis program 294 00:19:04,390 --> 00:19:06,150 of transcendental meditation attracted 295 00:19:06,350 --> 00:19:08,360 thousands of followers. 296 00:19:10,620 --> 00:19:12,890 [Christopher] George was into this new thing 297 00:19:13,090 --> 00:19:14,370 that I didn't know anything about. 298 00:19:14,570 --> 00:19:16,250 It was new to me, anyway. 299 00:19:16,450 --> 00:19:20,600 It was called transcendental meditation. 300 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:24,730 He would sit in this specific position sitting on the floor, 301 00:19:24,930 --> 00:19:27,610 legs crossed, palms open, 302 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,350 and holding his fingers in a weird way, 303 00:19:30,550 --> 00:19:33,480 and say these sounds. 304 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,350 [reporter] Every single student at the university 305 00:19:35,550 --> 00:19:39,170 is a regular practitioner of transcendental meditation. 306 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,190 [student] It's nothing out of the ordinary at all. 307 00:19:43,390 --> 00:19:44,450 At times, one... 308 00:19:44,650 --> 00:19:46,450 [Christopher] He got my mom into it. 309 00:19:46,650 --> 00:19:49,450 [reporter] ...of their vast organization. 310 00:19:49,650 --> 00:19:53,240 We were both into practicing transcendental meditation. 311 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,760 ♪ 312 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:57,370 [Christopher] I don't think she ever had anything 313 00:19:57,570 --> 00:20:01,290 to do with it prior to them getting together. 314 00:20:01,490 --> 00:20:04,290 [ambient music] 315 00:20:04,490 --> 00:20:11,470 ♪ 316 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,790 It was a pretty regular thing that they did. 317 00:20:18,990 --> 00:20:20,750 And they would want time to be able to do it. 318 00:20:20,940 --> 00:20:24,360 And we would be quiet, 319 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,930 whether it was up in our own rooms or outside. 320 00:20:28,130 --> 00:20:32,840 I recall them wanting a long time to meditate, so... 321 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:39,810 ♪ 322 00:20:40,010 --> 00:20:44,330 That was my introduction to transcendental meditation. 323 00:20:44,530 --> 00:20:47,380 ♪ 324 00:20:47,580 --> 00:20:49,680 And he had me doing it with him. 325 00:20:51,940 --> 00:20:56,610 ♪ 326 00:20:56,810 --> 00:21:00,260 I was practicing transcendental meditation. 327 00:21:00,460 --> 00:21:02,480 And on one occasion, 328 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,440 during the meditation, 329 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,270 something reached out and took hold of my hand. 330 00:21:09,470 --> 00:21:13,320 [eerie music] 331 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,450 And my only description for it was 332 00:21:16,650 --> 00:21:18,670 the touch of a woman, 333 00:21:18,870 --> 00:21:20,850 simply because you could feel a softness. 334 00:21:21,050 --> 00:21:24,410 But yet, you know there was an inner strength involved. 335 00:21:26,450 --> 00:21:27,590 I thought she was kidding 336 00:21:27,790 --> 00:21:31,290 and she, you know, reiterated it again. 337 00:21:31,490 --> 00:21:33,950 And I believed her. 338 00:21:34,150 --> 00:21:37,390 ♪ 339 00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:41,570 She was concerned enough to tell me about it. 340 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,480 And we really put it down to 341 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,400 just being overtired and moving in. 342 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,490 We moved in a week before Christmas, 1975. 343 00:21:50,690 --> 00:21:53,580 So we were very anxious to get set up for Christmas. 344 00:21:53,780 --> 00:21:57,530 We had a lot of company coming the following week. 345 00:22:01,140 --> 00:22:03,760 [Carol] And on a weekend, there were a number of people 346 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:05,720 who were going to go and help them 347 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,810 move their stuff into the house. 348 00:22:10,010 --> 00:22:11,330 What do you think? 349 00:22:11,530 --> 00:22:13,380 [Carol] My ex-husband and I, 350 00:22:13,580 --> 00:22:15,820 both of us were gonna go to the house 351 00:22:16,020 --> 00:22:17,690 and help him move in. 352 00:22:17,890 --> 00:22:21,430 When we got to the house, I just became violently sick. 353 00:22:21,630 --> 00:22:24,910 I got very dizzy. I felt very nauseous. 354 00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:27,790 And I told my husband, I said, "I can't go in there." 355 00:22:27,980 --> 00:22:29,090 What's the matter? 356 00:22:29,290 --> 00:22:31,620 [Carol] And I felt like I was gonna pass out 357 00:22:31,810 --> 00:22:33,090 sitting in the car outside the house. 358 00:22:33,290 --> 00:22:35,710 I don't want to go any closer. 359 00:22:35,910 --> 00:22:38,450 Carolyn, what are you talking about? 360 00:22:38,650 --> 00:22:40,890 [ghostly voice] Get out. 361 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,500 It gives me the creeps. 362 00:22:43,700 --> 00:22:45,630 [Carol] George and Kathy wanted to have, like, 363 00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:48,760 a housewarming holiday party together. 364 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,380 Again, the exact same thing that happened to me in the car 365 00:22:52,570 --> 00:22:54,030 happened to me in the apartment. 366 00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:55,770 I got dizzy. 367 00:22:55,970 --> 00:22:57,470 I got sick. 368 00:22:57,670 --> 00:22:59,770 I felt like I was gonna pass out. 369 00:22:59,970 --> 00:23:02,600 And I never made it to the party. 370 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,650 I never made it out the door. 371 00:23:04,850 --> 00:23:09,040 It was just a unbelievable feeling. 372 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,000 [suspenseful music] 373 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:19,440 ♪ 374 00:23:23,570 --> 00:23:29,670 And after that, I had other encounters 375 00:23:29,870 --> 00:23:33,370 with a presence either in our bedroom, 376 00:23:33,570 --> 00:23:37,330 the kitchen, or the dining room. 377 00:23:37,530 --> 00:23:39,550 Missy came down on one occasion. 378 00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:44,560 And she said, "Mommy, do angels talk?" 379 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,040 And I asked her to explain her question. 380 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,440 And she said, "Well, something talks to me, 381 00:23:52,630 --> 00:23:55,790 and I answer." 382 00:23:55,990 --> 00:24:00,530 And I shrugged it off, a child's vivid imagination. 383 00:24:00,730 --> 00:24:03,100 On several occasions, 384 00:24:03,300 --> 00:24:06,010 I'd go and stand in front of Missy's closed door, 385 00:24:06,210 --> 00:24:09,370 and I would hear her carrying on a conversation. 386 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,110 And I would hear the answer. 387 00:24:11,310 --> 00:24:12,500 And I opened the door. 388 00:24:12,700 --> 00:24:15,590 You could hear the sounds of an answer. 389 00:24:15,790 --> 00:24:17,550 - Of another voice? - I would open the door. 390 00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:18,900 And Missy would be sitting on her bed. 391 00:24:19,100 --> 00:24:21,680 And she had a small rocking chair in the room. 392 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:22,940 And the chair would be rocking. 393 00:24:23,140 --> 00:24:25,690 You couldn't see anything sitting in it. 394 00:24:25,890 --> 00:24:28,510 And Missy was talking in the direction of the chair. 395 00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:31,520 [unsettling music] 396 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,650 ♪ 397 00:24:34,850 --> 00:24:37,520 And then Missy told us about Jody. 398 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,400 ♪ 399 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,920 - You scared Jody. - Jody? 400 00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:46,750 She tells me about the little boy 401 00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:48,710 who used to live in my room. 402 00:24:48,910 --> 00:24:51,490 He got hurt and he died. 403 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:57,110 [Kathy] Missy said that there was this pig. 404 00:24:57,310 --> 00:24:59,150 We put it to her imagination 405 00:24:59,350 --> 00:25:02,200 until there were 406 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,900 hoofprints out in the snow. 407 00:25:06,100 --> 00:25:08,980 [snow crunching] 408 00:25:11,290 --> 00:25:13,470 Something walked from the house, 409 00:25:13,670 --> 00:25:15,520 through the snow, out to the river, 410 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,430 and right off into the water. 411 00:25:17,630 --> 00:25:20,440 [unsettling music] 412 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:25,140 ♪ 413 00:25:25,340 --> 00:25:27,090 [Christopher] Christmas came. 414 00:25:27,290 --> 00:25:30,790 Danny and I started fighting more than ever. 415 00:25:30,990 --> 00:25:36,530 My brother is, you know, kind of an instigator. 416 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,020 The whole wall along the playroom, 417 00:25:40,220 --> 00:25:42,980 it was closet area. 418 00:25:43,180 --> 00:25:47,810 And my brother convinced me to go in there and get something. 419 00:25:48,010 --> 00:25:50,160 - He shut the door. - [door slams] 420 00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:51,730 And I couldn't get out. 421 00:25:51,930 --> 00:25:55,300 [doorknob rattling] 422 00:25:55,500 --> 00:25:59,820 Backing up, something grabbed the back of my calf. 423 00:26:00,020 --> 00:26:01,690 And it scared the hell out of me. 424 00:26:08,430 --> 00:26:11,230 [bluesy guitar playing] 425 00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:18,700 ♪ 426 00:26:24,670 --> 00:26:26,590 [Joe] So I met George in '73 427 00:26:26,790 --> 00:26:29,640 and we spent a lot of time together. 428 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,250 He was just getting his marriage annulled 429 00:26:32,450 --> 00:26:34,720 from his first wife. 430 00:26:35,890 --> 00:26:37,210 Didn't know much about his background, 431 00:26:37,410 --> 00:26:39,860 except he was an ex-Marine. 432 00:26:40,060 --> 00:26:42,560 But he never talked about the military service. 433 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,040 [loud explosions] 434 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,220 [rapid gunfire] 435 00:26:48,420 --> 00:26:51,050 [Carol] George did say that he served in Vietnam. 436 00:26:51,250 --> 00:26:52,700 [helicopter whirring] 437 00:26:52,900 --> 00:26:55,660 There was something 438 00:26:55,860 --> 00:26:57,710 that he didn't want to talk about 439 00:26:57,910 --> 00:26:59,750 when it came to his service in Vietnam. 440 00:26:59,950 --> 00:27:03,670 [helicopter whirring] 441 00:27:03,870 --> 00:27:06,150 And too many people, my friends, 442 00:27:06,350 --> 00:27:07,890 the ones that did come back, 443 00:27:08,090 --> 00:27:09,630 they were not the same. 444 00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:12,330 [men chanting] 445 00:27:12,530 --> 00:27:15,200 [reporter 1] Over 1,000 Vietnam vets came here to say 446 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,080 the war was a horrible mistake and should end. 447 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:20,560 [reporter 2] The protest was angry 448 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,210 and more passionate than most 449 00:27:22,410 --> 00:27:24,170 because these vets had borne witness. 450 00:27:24,370 --> 00:27:26,780 The men have a flair for drama, 451 00:27:26,980 --> 00:27:29,300 throwing back the medals they had won in Vietnam. 452 00:27:29,500 --> 00:27:32,220 They were still unsatisfied. 453 00:27:32,420 --> 00:27:34,920 ♪ 454 00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:37,830 [Erik] The Vietnam veteran is a fascinating 455 00:27:38,030 --> 00:27:41,620 and tragic figure in American history, 456 00:27:41,820 --> 00:27:44,750 particularly in the '70s. 457 00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:52,240 They carried the guilt of this absurd and useless operation. 458 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,370 And they don't return home to any kind of homecoming, 459 00:27:55,570 --> 00:27:57,720 any kind of celebration. 460 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,800 [crowd cheering and whistling] 461 00:28:03,810 --> 00:28:06,250 [vocalizing] 462 00:28:06,450 --> 00:28:09,130 A lot of vets returning, finding themselves alienated 463 00:28:09,330 --> 00:28:12,300 both from mainstream America and from the counterculture, 464 00:28:12,500 --> 00:28:15,130 would find themselves joining biker gangs 465 00:28:15,330 --> 00:28:17,870 because it's a way of building up a kind of identity 466 00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:20,140 that is independent 467 00:28:20,340 --> 00:28:23,270 and as a way of dealing with the dislocation 468 00:28:23,470 --> 00:28:26,100 and confusion of that era. 469 00:28:26,300 --> 00:28:29,060 [tense music] 470 00:28:29,260 --> 00:28:30,710 ♪ 471 00:28:30,910 --> 00:28:34,930 The logic of a biker gang is not dissimilar than a platoon. 472 00:28:35,130 --> 00:28:38,850 That sense of camaraderie in a hostile universe, 473 00:28:39,050 --> 00:28:41,380 it carries over into a biker gang, 474 00:28:41,580 --> 00:28:44,120 where you're really there for your fellow bikers. 475 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,980 And there's an incredible tight bond. 476 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,300 So in a way, they represent the profound 477 00:28:51,500 --> 00:28:54,860 and painful contradictions of the era. 478 00:28:56,900 --> 00:29:00,390 A couple of guys in our group were veterans from Vietnam. 479 00:29:00,590 --> 00:29:02,440 But they never talked about it. 480 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,400 They just enjoyed the camaraderie 481 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,140 and the motorcycles. 482 00:29:06,340 --> 00:29:08,360 ♪ 483 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,090 George's gas tank was shaped like a coffin. 484 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,760 It was also painted all black. 485 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,020 That says something. 486 00:29:18,220 --> 00:29:21,200 He made sure the trike was his own. 487 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,030 George had himself painted in the prone position 488 00:29:25,230 --> 00:29:30,210 with George laying on the coffin tank, 489 00:29:30,410 --> 00:29:31,900 like he was in a coffin. 490 00:29:32,100 --> 00:29:34,990 [bluesy guitar playing] 491 00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:41,040 ♪ 492 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,000 When we went to New Hampshire Bike Week, 493 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,220 I think this was in 1975. 494 00:29:47,420 --> 00:29:49,230 ♪ 495 00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:52,320 And one of the guys said that his brother-in-law 496 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,230 had moved to Weirs Beach. 497 00:29:55,430 --> 00:30:00,370 It was just a short ride down the hill from our hotel. 498 00:30:00,570 --> 00:30:04,460 And his name was Ray Buckland. 499 00:30:04,660 --> 00:30:07,810 I am a follower of the religion of witchcraft, 500 00:30:08,010 --> 00:30:10,860 the pre-Christian religion. 501 00:30:11,060 --> 00:30:13,080 [Joe] He had a big name in the occult, 502 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,080 wrote books on witchcraft. 503 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,340 We got there and he gave us a tour of the whole house. 504 00:30:20,540 --> 00:30:22,090 [reporter] Witchcraft and Satanism are 505 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,570 exploding in popularity, especially among youth. 506 00:30:25,770 --> 00:30:28,400 This lecture is given by Dr. Raymond Buckland, 507 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,880 anthropologist and white witch of Long Island, New York. 508 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,490 If we can have the house lights off, 509 00:30:34,690 --> 00:30:38,280 then we'll get into the slides. 510 00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:40,450 [reporter] His slides show ceremonies 511 00:30:40,650 --> 00:30:42,150 held in his own basement, 512 00:30:42,350 --> 00:30:44,930 where he and his wife, a high priestess, 513 00:30:45,130 --> 00:30:46,410 hold nude rituals 514 00:30:46,610 --> 00:30:49,850 to summon Neolithic gods of the hunt and fertility. 515 00:30:50,050 --> 00:30:53,290 [eerie music] 516 00:30:53,490 --> 00:30:56,380 They say these ceremonies can heal the sick, 517 00:30:56,580 --> 00:30:58,820 but they could be used for evil purposes 518 00:30:59,020 --> 00:31:01,990 in the wrong hands. 519 00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:08,440 [Joe] Ray Buckland originally had a museum in Bayshore 520 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,430 on Long Island. 521 00:31:11,730 --> 00:31:15,310 George also said that he had been to the museum in Bayshore. 522 00:31:15,510 --> 00:31:22,360 ♪ 523 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,020 And we headed outside, 524 00:31:25,220 --> 00:31:28,020 had a smoke before we got ready to ride again, 525 00:31:28,220 --> 00:31:30,410 but George was nowhere to be found. 526 00:31:30,610 --> 00:31:34,590 He was still in the house talking to Ray. 527 00:31:34,790 --> 00:31:37,070 He finally came outside. 528 00:31:37,270 --> 00:31:38,940 We razzed him a little bit about 529 00:31:39,140 --> 00:31:40,550 what the heck he was doing. 530 00:31:40,750 --> 00:31:42,250 He never said anything about 531 00:31:42,450 --> 00:31:45,300 why he was talking to Ray at any extended length of time. 532 00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:48,430 So we just got on our bikes and rode. 533 00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:50,960 No further mention of it for the rest of the week 534 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,000 and the seven-hour ride home. 535 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,000 Absolutely nothing. 536 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:56,350 And, you know, we knew each other 537 00:31:56,550 --> 00:31:58,010 pretty well by that time, 538 00:31:58,210 --> 00:31:59,840 'cause I had already been best man at his wedding. 539 00:32:00,030 --> 00:32:02,350 So it was kind of strange. 540 00:32:03,310 --> 00:32:04,880 And he was into meditation. 541 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,410 So every once in a while on the ride home, 542 00:32:06,610 --> 00:32:09,580 he would stop and then meditate. 543 00:32:09,780 --> 00:32:12,850 He's, "I'm gonna meditate, so don't disturb me." 544 00:32:13,050 --> 00:32:16,060 [vocalizing] 545 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,470 [Erik] Understanding the human as something that has 546 00:32:21,660 --> 00:32:23,470 these greater potentials 547 00:32:23,670 --> 00:32:26,600 is a super important part of that whole 548 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,560 '70s spiritual mind frame. 549 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,220 There are psychic powers. Telepathy is possible. 550 00:32:33,420 --> 00:32:35,440 So there was a sense that there was an opportunity 551 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,090 to change the self, to explore the self. 552 00:32:38,290 --> 00:32:40,090 What can we actually do 553 00:32:40,290 --> 00:32:42,660 to enhance our own inherent powers? 554 00:32:42,860 --> 00:32:44,360 The occult and the paranormal 555 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,060 and radical psychological techniques, 556 00:32:47,260 --> 00:32:49,930 they were all part of this, as well as drugs. 557 00:32:50,130 --> 00:32:53,320 [vocalizing] 558 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:54,500 [interviewer] Did you ever think 559 00:32:54,700 --> 00:32:56,240 maybe you're conjuring this up yourself, 560 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:57,540 or it could be your own mental powers working on it? 561 00:32:57,740 --> 00:32:59,940 Have you tried anything in that area or... 562 00:33:00,140 --> 00:33:02,070 None of us really had any-- 563 00:33:02,270 --> 00:33:05,420 neither of us had any knowledge of the occult 564 00:33:05,620 --> 00:33:07,420 - prior to moving into the home. - [interviewer] Nothing? 565 00:33:07,620 --> 00:33:09,210 You hold yourself up for ridicule, for one thing, 566 00:33:09,410 --> 00:33:11,600 to just stand up and say, "This really happened." 567 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,040 I'll tell you what. I wouldn't be afraid 568 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:14,390 to tell anybody if it happened to me. 569 00:33:14,590 --> 00:33:15,560 Come to think of it, again, on second thought, 570 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:16,870 I'd run around and tell them all, maybe. 571 00:33:17,070 --> 00:33:20,130 - Charge admission to the house. - [laughter] 572 00:33:20,330 --> 00:33:22,210 We'd watch the furniture fly or do something. 573 00:33:24,170 --> 00:33:27,260 [vocalizing] 574 00:33:30,740 --> 00:33:32,620 [Erik] One of these alternative spiritual practices 575 00:33:32,820 --> 00:33:35,450 was transcendental meditation. 576 00:33:35,650 --> 00:33:38,150 Some of The Beach Boys practiced TM, 577 00:33:38,350 --> 00:33:41,760 and it was kind of a clever practice 578 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,420 because it was relatively simple. 579 00:33:44,620 --> 00:33:48,470 It would fit into an ordinary day. 580 00:33:48,660 --> 00:33:50,510 And yet there was a little bit of magic in it. 581 00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:51,950 You had the secret mantra. 582 00:33:52,150 --> 00:33:55,160 [vocalizing] 583 00:33:57,770 --> 00:34:00,430 People thought it started to open up magical powers even. 584 00:34:00,630 --> 00:34:02,440 So like a lot of these practices, 585 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,480 they provide immediate rewards, 586 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,310 but then they also open the door 587 00:34:07,510 --> 00:34:09,700 towards the possibility of more mystical 588 00:34:09,900 --> 00:34:11,620 or spiritual kinds of states. 589 00:34:11,820 --> 00:34:14,490 [vocalizing] 590 00:34:14,690 --> 00:34:19,280 So a mantra is a series of sacred syllables. 591 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:20,580 And it might mean something, 592 00:34:20,780 --> 00:34:22,590 but the point is to keep repeating it, 593 00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:24,590 not unlike saying a rosary. 594 00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:26,810 And you're repeating the name of a god, 595 00:34:27,010 --> 00:34:28,980 or you're repeating a certain phrase 596 00:34:29,180 --> 00:34:32,070 that you would get from your guru, 597 00:34:32,270 --> 00:34:33,770 a series of sacred syllables 598 00:34:33,970 --> 00:34:37,290 that have some extra power to them. 599 00:34:39,590 --> 00:34:43,130 [vocalizing] 600 00:34:43,330 --> 00:34:44,350 [Christopher] The word that you repeat 601 00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:46,130 over and over and over again 602 00:34:46,330 --> 00:34:48,220 is actually the name of a spirit. 603 00:34:48,420 --> 00:34:49,480 And what you're doing is, 604 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,830 you're calling that spirit into you. 605 00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:55,230 What George doesn't talk about is 606 00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:57,490 the other thing that he was mixing it with. 607 00:34:57,690 --> 00:35:02,100 [vocalizing] 608 00:35:02,300 --> 00:35:05,190 What I found out is that the list of spirits 609 00:35:05,390 --> 00:35:07,200 that are recommended from 610 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,720 transcendental meditation practitioners, 611 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,710 they tell you what the word is that you're gonna say. 612 00:35:15,020 --> 00:35:16,510 The things that he was calling on 613 00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:18,640 are not on that recommended list. 614 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,720 [vocalizing] 615 00:35:24,250 --> 00:35:26,560 It's not a good thing. 616 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,220 And by calling that spirit into himself, 617 00:35:29,420 --> 00:35:32,260 he availed himself to possession. 618 00:35:32,460 --> 00:35:35,270 Because you're-- you're giving it-- 619 00:35:35,470 --> 00:35:37,530 you're giving it entry. 620 00:35:37,730 --> 00:35:39,580 What George was doing in that house 621 00:35:39,780 --> 00:35:42,800 would have caused a haunting in any home. 622 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,800 [ominous music] 623 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,150 ♪ 624 00:35:49,350 --> 00:35:52,110 [flames crackling] 625 00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:58,670 ♪ 626 00:36:02,590 --> 00:36:04,300 [Joe] We were at home in Babylon, 627 00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:06,080 and there's a knock on the door, 628 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,170 and it's George and Kathy. 629 00:36:09,370 --> 00:36:11,700 They were frightened. 630 00:36:11,890 --> 00:36:13,440 I had never seen them like that before. 631 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,220 They were truly frightened 632 00:36:15,420 --> 00:36:16,790 of what was happening in the house. 633 00:36:16,990 --> 00:36:18,310 [flames crackling] 634 00:36:18,510 --> 00:36:20,660 The temperature extremes in the house, 635 00:36:20,860 --> 00:36:22,840 the way George explained it was like 636 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,710 a runaway locomotive. 637 00:36:24,910 --> 00:36:26,840 It got hot or it got cold. 638 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,660 [flames crackling] 639 00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:33,330 He was up every night at three o'clock 640 00:36:33,530 --> 00:36:34,720 wandering the house, 641 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,590 visiting the boathouse for no apparent reason. 642 00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:40,330 I had never seen them like that before. 643 00:36:40,530 --> 00:36:42,160 They were truly frightened 644 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:43,770 of what was happening in the house. 645 00:36:43,970 --> 00:36:47,210 [flames crackling] 646 00:36:47,410 --> 00:36:50,690 [Christopher] George had a change in his demeanor 647 00:36:50,890 --> 00:36:53,520 where he no longer went into work, 648 00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:57,390 became obsessed with just sitting around the fire 649 00:36:57,590 --> 00:37:00,220 and obsessed with his boats and his boathouse. 650 00:37:00,420 --> 00:37:03,530 [thunderclap] 651 00:37:03,730 --> 00:37:06,360 And George's temperament was, like, 652 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,880 quick to get pissed off and express that. 653 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,660 That became scary. 654 00:37:14,140 --> 00:37:17,370 [George] Confusion, anger, misplaced 655 00:37:17,570 --> 00:37:20,630 because I would direct it at Kathy for no reason. 656 00:37:20,830 --> 00:37:23,640 - [banging] - [children crying] 657 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,510 [banging] 658 00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:29,640 Noises would go off downstairs every night, 659 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,380 slamming doors. 660 00:37:31,580 --> 00:37:32,910 The kids would come down from the third floor 661 00:37:33,110 --> 00:37:35,520 to see what was going on. 662 00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:37,520 - [sighs] - [phone rings] 663 00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:39,700 When we called Father Ray the next day, 664 00:37:39,900 --> 00:37:41,570 he asked what we were still doing there. 665 00:37:41,770 --> 00:37:43,700 He was surprised that we were still even in the house. 666 00:37:43,900 --> 00:37:46,660 And it hadn't even occurred to us to--even at that point 667 00:37:46,860 --> 00:37:49,580 to just up and abandon everything. 668 00:37:49,780 --> 00:37:54,490 Father Ray wasn't just your average parish priest. 669 00:37:54,690 --> 00:37:57,760 He was trained in the Vatican. 670 00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,540 [George] The only priest I knew was a priest 671 00:37:59,740 --> 00:38:01,890 by the name of Father Ralph Pecoraro. 672 00:38:02,090 --> 00:38:04,900 I had met him when my previous marriage, 673 00:38:05,090 --> 00:38:08,900 which had lasted about six months, had been annulled. 674 00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:12,380 He went room to room, said prayers in each room. 675 00:38:12,580 --> 00:38:15,470 [Ray] I was blessing the sewing room. 676 00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:17,730 It was cold. It was really cold in there. 677 00:38:17,930 --> 00:38:20,870 And I thought, "Gee, that's-- this is peculiar." 678 00:38:21,070 --> 00:38:24,570 I also--sprinkling holy water. 679 00:38:24,770 --> 00:38:26,740 [ghostly voice] Get out. 680 00:38:26,940 --> 00:38:30,880 [Ray] And I heard a rather deep voice behind me 681 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,400 say, "Get out." 682 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:35,800 [George] He stopped and just asked us 683 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,490 what we were going to use one bedroom for. 684 00:38:38,690 --> 00:38:39,970 There was something about the room 685 00:38:40,170 --> 00:38:43,060 that made him uncomfortable and he wanted to leave. 686 00:38:43,260 --> 00:38:44,670 That was evidently the bedroom 687 00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:46,980 where the two boys had been murdered. 688 00:38:47,180 --> 00:38:53,760 ♪ 689 00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:01,470 We had asked him to come back and bless the house again, 690 00:39:01,670 --> 00:39:03,680 which he refused to do. 691 00:39:05,470 --> 00:39:08,390 And we were really shattered by that. 692 00:39:08,590 --> 00:39:10,920 We didn't know why he wouldn't come back. 693 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,620 We couldn't understand that. 694 00:39:12,810 --> 00:39:17,970 ♪ 695 00:39:18,170 --> 00:39:19,750 Pretty soon, New Year's came. 696 00:39:19,950 --> 00:39:23,630 I remember coming back from school one day. 697 00:39:23,830 --> 00:39:26,500 I was laying on my bed, 698 00:39:26,700 --> 00:39:29,620 looking out into the hallway. 699 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,900 Right in front of the door, there was this figure. 700 00:39:35,100 --> 00:39:37,470 ♪ 701 00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:39,340 It looked like a shadow, 702 00:39:39,540 --> 00:39:41,770 doesn't have legs that touch the ground. 703 00:39:41,970 --> 00:39:46,870 ♪ 704 00:39:47,070 --> 00:39:48,610 And as I'm looking at this thing, 705 00:39:48,810 --> 00:39:50,910 it's coming towards me. 706 00:39:51,110 --> 00:39:57,920 ♪ 707 00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:59,870 And I was petrified. 708 00:40:02,090 --> 00:40:03,710 [ghostly voice] Get out! 709 00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:06,410 [Kathy whispering] Our Father which art in heaven, 710 00:40:06,610 --> 00:40:08,320 hallowed be thy name. 711 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:09,930 [tinkling] 712 00:40:10,130 --> 00:40:12,810 [George] The last week we were there was the worst. 713 00:40:13,010 --> 00:40:14,460 [Kathy whispering] Thy will be done. 714 00:40:14,660 --> 00:40:16,680 At a suggestion of a friend, we went around 715 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,380 and we blessed the rooms in the house. 716 00:40:20,580 --> 00:40:23,860 There was quite a deal of screaming. 717 00:40:24,060 --> 00:40:28,040 [George] We heard a chorus of voices scream out, 718 00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:30,520 "Will you please stop?" 719 00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:33,090 ♪ 720 00:40:33,290 --> 00:40:34,650 [Christopher] I remember them having us go around 721 00:40:34,850 --> 00:40:37,530 and open all the windows. 722 00:40:37,730 --> 00:40:39,010 What they were trying to do was, like, 723 00:40:39,210 --> 00:40:42,040 basically their own exorcism of the house. 724 00:40:44,050 --> 00:40:47,530 And here they were walking around saying these prayers. 725 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,150 It was afterwards that they had us closing the windows, 726 00:40:52,350 --> 00:40:55,540 and that was when the incident with Danny's hand happened. 727 00:40:55,740 --> 00:40:58,460 [screaming] 728 00:40:58,660 --> 00:41:01,590 [Christopher] My mom trying to get the window off his hand 729 00:41:01,790 --> 00:41:02,900 took more time than it should have. 730 00:41:03,100 --> 00:41:04,600 [screaming, crying] 731 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,730 [Kathy] Let me push it up. 732 00:41:06,930 --> 00:41:08,690 [Christopher] And Danny was, like, screaming in pain. 733 00:41:08,890 --> 00:41:12,910 [screaming, crying] 734 00:41:13,110 --> 00:41:15,870 [unsettling music] 735 00:41:16,070 --> 00:41:20,440 ♪ 736 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,620 [George] I was half dressed. 737 00:41:23,820 --> 00:41:26,010 Then I looked down at Kathy, and... 738 00:41:26,210 --> 00:41:29,580 ♪ 739 00:41:29,780 --> 00:41:31,620 ...the lines started to form in her face. 740 00:41:31,820 --> 00:41:34,060 And she saw herself and started screaming. 741 00:41:34,260 --> 00:41:37,150 [interviewer] What did you look like? 742 00:41:37,350 --> 00:41:38,760 [George] Like an old crag. 743 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,760 - [audience laughs] - [interviewer] You tell me. 744 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,030 What did you--what was your-- 745 00:41:43,230 --> 00:41:44,680 tell me what you saw and what you thought. 746 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:45,770 What did you think when you look in the mirror 747 00:41:45,970 --> 00:41:47,160 and you see yourself age like that? 748 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,770 Well, it was really repulsive. 749 00:41:49,970 --> 00:41:53,560 My mouth was very tight, severe lines, 750 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,950 lines throughout the cheeks, crow's feet, 751 00:41:57,150 --> 00:42:00,130 and the change in the hair color. 752 00:42:00,330 --> 00:42:01,440 [interviewer] Did you feel-- 753 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,960 Physically, I felt without energy. 754 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:05,530 [interviewer] Huh. 755 00:42:05,730 --> 00:42:07,620 Uh, looking in the mirror, 756 00:42:07,820 --> 00:42:10,920 it was like looking through a Halloween mask, 757 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,840 knowing how you are, what you look like. 758 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,540 And yet what you see isn't what you know. 759 00:42:17,740 --> 00:42:20,540 [unsettling music] 760 00:42:20,740 --> 00:42:27,800 ♪ 761 00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:35,730 [George] Something's going on 762 00:42:35,930 --> 00:42:36,820 that you don't really understand. 763 00:42:37,020 --> 00:42:38,600 And we really did not want 764 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,550 to just give up on living there. 765 00:42:42,990 --> 00:42:45,990 We wanted to get the house fixed. 766 00:42:48,170 --> 00:42:52,140 [Carol] George wanted to do some research on the house. 767 00:42:52,340 --> 00:42:56,710 He got involved in looking up what the land was 768 00:42:56,910 --> 00:42:58,880 and all the history of the house 769 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,150 to see if there was any sort of connection in the past 770 00:43:03,350 --> 00:43:07,890 to things that had happened on the property, to the house. 771 00:43:08,090 --> 00:43:14,990 ♪ 772 00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:18,030 [insects buzzing] 773 00:43:24,730 --> 00:43:25,870 George and Kathy felt that 774 00:43:26,070 --> 00:43:28,860 something was let loose in the house. 775 00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:36,620 I do believe in the paranormal, 776 00:43:36,820 --> 00:43:38,840 that people can have experiences. 777 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,230 So maybe there were children ghosts in the house. 778 00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:44,190 And maybe that's what Missy was talking to. 779 00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:46,890 [distant sirens wailing] 780 00:43:47,090 --> 00:43:48,240 [George] We learned after we spoke 781 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:49,670 with the local police there 782 00:43:49,870 --> 00:43:51,630 that we had the same odor in the house 783 00:43:51,830 --> 00:43:52,980 that would come and go 784 00:43:53,180 --> 00:43:55,200 that was there when they arrived on the scene. 785 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,900 [distant sirens wailing] 786 00:43:59,100 --> 00:44:00,860 We could tell the police about the murders 787 00:44:01,060 --> 00:44:03,640 things that were never released to the public. 788 00:44:06,290 --> 00:44:09,130 We knew who was shot, 789 00:44:09,330 --> 00:44:11,350 where they were shot, 790 00:44:11,550 --> 00:44:12,920 what position they were in. 791 00:44:13,110 --> 00:44:14,350 The first week in the house, 792 00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:17,310 the children and Kathy all slept on their stomachs. 793 00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:20,920 And we knew from that that the murders had-- 794 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,060 everyone in the family had been shot, 795 00:44:23,260 --> 00:44:25,220 they were facedown on their stomachs. 796 00:44:28,140 --> 00:44:31,320 I found myself waking up at 3:15 every morning 797 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,720 and for no reason at all. 798 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,720 When we found out later from the police 799 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,160 something that had never been released was 800 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,380 that was when the murders took place. 801 00:44:41,580 --> 00:44:45,120 [Carol] George and Kathy told me the story about the DeFeos. 802 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,820 They were a family from Brooklyn. 803 00:44:49,020 --> 00:44:52,350 And what happened, supposedly, 804 00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:55,130 Ronald DeFeo, the son, 805 00:44:55,330 --> 00:44:57,660 murdered his entire family in the house. 806 00:44:57,860 --> 00:45:04,870 ♪ 807 00:45:09,010 --> 00:45:10,190 [Gloria] Sometimes, he'd remind me 808 00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:13,240 of Charles Manson. 809 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,280 Maybe they thought he'd get away with it, 810 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:20,030 that it wasn't him, it was a ghost that did it. 811 00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:23,990 I said, if anyone could haunt a house, it's him. 812 00:45:24,190 --> 00:45:30,850 ♪ 813 00:45:35,420 --> 00:45:36,690 [Tommy] This is really the first time 814 00:45:36,890 --> 00:45:38,990 I'm even talking about it. 815 00:45:40,430 --> 00:45:41,960 I don't want to be associated with it, 816 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:43,480 to be honest with you. 817 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,440 But something tells me I should-- 818 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,360 I have a couple things to say. 819 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,140 And I'd like to let people know 820 00:45:51,340 --> 00:45:54,010 some things that they don't know. 821 00:45:57,450 --> 00:46:01,200 November 13, 1974. 822 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,360 It was the last time I saw him. 823 00:46:06,580 --> 00:46:09,250 George told me that he-- 824 00:46:09,450 --> 00:46:12,300 he had learned that the house was built 825 00:46:12,490 --> 00:46:15,730 on an Indian burial ground. 826 00:46:15,930 --> 00:46:19,260 He went to the society in Amityville, 827 00:46:19,460 --> 00:46:22,910 and they had old maps. 828 00:46:25,390 --> 00:46:29,050 And that it was possible spirits in the land 829 00:46:29,250 --> 00:46:31,010 had something to do with the evil 830 00:46:31,210 --> 00:46:33,220 that was in the house. 831 00:46:39,490 --> 00:46:41,800 [thunder crashes] 832 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:42,800 [interviewer] What happened the night 833 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,070 that made you flee the house? 834 00:46:44,270 --> 00:46:46,850 The boys' bedroom was above ours, 835 00:46:47,050 --> 00:46:50,250 and they each had their own bed. 836 00:46:50,450 --> 00:46:54,210 And we could hear the beds slamming down onto the floor. 837 00:46:54,410 --> 00:46:56,170 [all screaming] 838 00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,430 Something tremendous would pick it up and slam it down. 839 00:46:59,630 --> 00:47:02,040 Their bedroom door would open and close. 840 00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:04,000 Their closet doors would open and close. 841 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,170 And the boys were in fear watching this. 842 00:47:08,690 --> 00:47:10,050 Go! Run! 843 00:47:10,250 --> 00:47:13,270 [suspenseful music] 844 00:47:13,470 --> 00:47:16,050 [thunder crashing] 845 00:47:16,250 --> 00:47:23,140 ♪ 846 00:47:26,660 --> 00:47:29,760 [mellow guitar playing] 847 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:34,290 ♪ 848 00:47:34,490 --> 00:47:37,250 [psychedelic rock music] 849 00:47:37,450 --> 00:47:44,330 ♪ 850 00:47:48,030 --> 00:47:50,220 [singer] ♪ Try 851 00:47:50,420 --> 00:47:54,960 ♪ To understand what I say 852 00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,580 ♪ We are not leaving today 853 00:47:58,770 --> 00:48:00,360 ♪ It's true 854 00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:06,410 ♪ Oh, we're just Passing through ♪ 855 00:48:06,610 --> 00:48:13,450 ♪ 856 00:48:21,150 --> 00:48:27,600 ♪ You may hide away For a while ♪ 857 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,610 ♪ When you come back There's a smile ♪ 858 00:48:31,810 --> 00:48:35,830 ♪ On the face of your clock 859 00:48:36,030 --> 00:48:40,920 ♪ As the time passes by 860 00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,620 [music fades] 861 00:48:44,820 --> 00:48:46,960 [eerie ambient hum] 862 00:48:47,010 --> 00:48:51,560 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 62609

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