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[unsettling music]
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♪
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[fly buzzing]
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♪
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[woman breathing heavily]
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It's--I think it's--
it's whatever's here.
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Whatever is here is--
[breathing heavily]
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[man] Is it trying to harm you?
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Yes.
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It's like a black shadow
that forms a hood.
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[reporter]
Surrounded by pastoral charm
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in a quaint Long Island
township
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stands a wooden frame house
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that some folk
claim is haunted.
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♪
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[dog growling, barking]
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[interviewer]
George and Kathleen Lutz
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are with us this morning
to talk about
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what happened in Amityville.
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Within a week,
Kathy's hand had been touched
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by something that we discussed
and couldn't explain.
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It was just something unseen.
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We also had hordes of flies
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that would appear
within two rooms.
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You played George in the movie.
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- [James] Mm-hmm.
- And you did research this.
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I didn't realize
what I was getting into.
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The Amityville Horror
is an experience in terror
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you will never forget.
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[distant scream]
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♪
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I remember the tagline.
"For God's sakes, get out."
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♪
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[interviewer] Do you plan
to show the movie here?
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No, we don't.
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Our people put up
quite a stink.
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And the distributor agreed
not to show it in Amityville.
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[Carol] People forgot after
seeing The Amityville Horror
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the true tragedy
of really what happened.
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♪
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I lost a whole family
in one night.
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♪
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And I couldn't
bring them back.
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♪
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[reporter] A young man
murdered, in cold blood,
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his father, mother,
four brothers, and sisters
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because voices told him
to do it.
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[man] Nobody was drugged.
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Nobody heard any shots.
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And to this day,
all the clever lawyers
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and all the police officers
have no answer to this.
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Because they just aren't
qualified to understand it.
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♪
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[eerie music]
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♪
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♪
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[soft dramatic music]
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♪
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[Kathy] We also had
hordes of flies
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that would appear
within two rooms.
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And no matter how many times
we would kill them,
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they'd reappeared.
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My name is
Christopher Quaratino.
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I'm formerly known
as Christopher Lutz,
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Kathy Lutz's son.
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The Amityville Horror
is called a true story.
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And what really happened is,
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to me, more traumatic.
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And it was something
that I would like to have
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just forgotten about.
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♪
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Unfortunately,
I wasn't able to do that.
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And now, it's time to set
that record straight.
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♪
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The first time I went to go
see the house in Amityville
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would've been when my parents
were serious about buying it.
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The real estate agent
was there.
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I was just a kid.
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And I'm, like, checking out
this new, big sprawling place,
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a new playground.
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To me, it was like,
this place is huge.
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We'd never had
a house that large.
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George and Kathy asked me
to go out with them
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to look at the house
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that they were
interested in buying.
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It went right up to the sound.
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So the--the water was
right behind the house.
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There was a big stretch
of land
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to get from the house
to the sound.
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And there was
a whole boathouse.
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[gulls squawking]
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It was very pretty neighborhood,
very quiet.
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[gulls squawking]
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♪
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They gave me a camera
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and they asked me to take
pictures of the house.
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And we spent a good hour or so
walking around the house
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'cause it was a big house.
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We walked in and there was
this marble floor...
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a beautiful banister
going up three stories...
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and you could look
from the foyer and look up
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and you could see the balcony
on the third-floor landing.
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It was beautiful.
The house was gorgeous.
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[Mrs. Townsend] You'll see
what a beauty this is.
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[birds chirping]
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There's nothing like it
on the market,
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not at this price.
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- Come in. Come on in.
- [Kathy] Thank you.
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[Townsend] Impressive,
isn't it?
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[Kathy] Mm-hmm.
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As soon as Kathy
walked in the front door,
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she just had this smile like
this was it.
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I describe the house
as charming
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the first time I saw it
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because that's
what I thought of it.
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[eerie music]
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♪
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[Carol] Before we left,
George and Kathy asked me
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if I felt anything
in the house.
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I don't know why,
but there was just something
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that made me feel strange.
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And that's when they showed me
the bullet holes.
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♪
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When George showed me
the bullet holes,
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he was actually laughing,
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not because of
what had happened,
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but for the fact
that he did not believe that
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there was anything
in this house
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that would stop him
from buying it.
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[both laughing]
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The house was
on the market for $100,000.
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We made an offer of $80,000.
It was accepted.
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And we moved
into this beautiful
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4,000 square foot home
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on the water with
a heated pool, full basement,
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boathouse, garage,
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and we thought we were home.
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[upbeat funk music]
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♪
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[Christopher] My mom had
divorced my real dad
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when I was about five.
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Mom was Irish.
Dad was Italian.
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[singer]
♪ Started a business deal
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[Christopher]
My mom was an angel.
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They had my older brother
Danny first.
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And then I was second.
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And then came
my younger sister Melissa.
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[singer] ♪ Love was the last
Thing that crossed my mind ♪
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♪ But business
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[Christopher]
After the divorce,
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Mom, she was working
as a waitress.
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George used to come in
to where she'd work
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and sit in her section,
and he was fond of her.
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One night,
her car wouldn't start.
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She began to walk home.
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George showed up as a hero
on his Harley,
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gave her a ride home.
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And pretty soon,
Mom had sold her house
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and we moved
into the Amityville house.
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My mom was excited about it.
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It was an exciting time
for all of us.
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[Joe] On the cuff of my jeans,
all my jeans,
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I had angel wings with
Harley-Davidson in the middle.
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They were, like, three inches
wide, an inch tall.
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And this guy next to me is
looking at my cuff and says,
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"Hey, uh, you ride
a motorcycle?"
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I said, "Yeah, I have
a Harley-Davidson."
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He says, "Yeah, so do I.
My name is George Lutz."
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He said his grandfather owned
a surveying company,
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and he was now running
the business,
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which gave him time,
I think, to hang out
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on the Harley-Davidson.
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[electric guitar playing]
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♪
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In those days, guys were
chopping their motorcycles,
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extended front ends,
lots of chrome,
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high handlebars.
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And I rode with
a bunch of guys that
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had bikes like that.
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And that's the group
I introduced George to.
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And we just took him
into the group
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like he was one of the guys.
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[tense music]
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[Christopher]
I think the first time
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I remember meeting George,
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he showed up
on that Harley trike.
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By then, I was riding
a two-wheel bike,
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but I still had my big wheel.
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And I saw that Harley trike
with the wheelie bars on it.
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And its loud engine was, like,
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you know, definitely cooler
than my big wheel.
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I remember he gave us kids
each a ride on it.
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And it was pretty impressive.
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He was into Harleys big time.
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He also had
a really big chopper.
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It was fun to be around.
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Early on, everything was like,
it's a new friend.
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He's got cool things.
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And he was a black belt
in jujitsu.
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He started getting us boys
involved in jujitsu classes
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and starting to learn to fight
and how to defend yourself.
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And so it was all new.
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It was somebody that was
a man figure that was there
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and kind to us, and--
and, uh, and Mom liked him,
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and that was that.
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♪
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[Carol] After he married Kathy,
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the children looked like they
were very happy with George.
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They got along with him well.
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He seemed to be
a very good father,
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especially to the boys.
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I think Danny was nine,
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Christopher was seven,
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and Missy was five
and she was adorable.
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All the kids were really nice.
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Kathy was a very good mother.
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She was a very sweet,
innocent,
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beautiful, beautiful person.
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George and Kathy
were young parents.
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♪
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We love this house.
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We were so happy
to get that house.
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We really wanted
to live there.
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There was such a desire
on our part
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to move in
and be a family there.
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[Christopher] It was the time
where I was just a kid
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and running around
different places
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to explore and look around.
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And I was exploring my new room
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and looking out
that quarter round window.
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We'd only been
in two-story homes before,
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so a three-story was,
like, cool.
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I remember
about that bedroom that
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the weird and kind of
colorful and cool
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and interesting wallpaper.
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The one wall being
all, like, dots,
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but then the other side
where it had, like,
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all these old-fashioned
drawings.
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And I remember a lady
on there with a hat.
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♪
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In my closet,
there was a hook.
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I had this bag
that had a drawstring,
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and I hooked it on there.
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♪
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The weight of it
caused the paneling...
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- [wood bangs]
- ...to tip forward.
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And that revealed,
like, an area
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that was behind there.
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♪
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The Realtor told us
after we had toured the house,
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this is the house
the DeFeos were murdered in,
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the news stories that had
been a year earlier.
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We talked about it at length
as a family.
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We asked the kids,
"Look, you're gonna have
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the same bedrooms
that these kids had,
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and they were killed here."
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"Is that gonna be a problem?"
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And they were all
fine with it.
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It wasn't a snap decision
by any means.
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♪
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[Joe] George told me
that he bought the house.
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He paid 80,000 for it,
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had to furnish it,
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bought some of the furniture
that was in the house
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from the DeFeo estate.
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♪
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When he first saw the house,
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there was still some blood
in some of the rooms
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and on some of the furniture.
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It was kind of strange.
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♪
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[eerie music]
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[insects buzzing]
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[Christopher]
On the second floor,
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in the sewing room,
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there was
a lot of flies there,
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and that was the first place
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that I had seen them.
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There was times
when you'd feel a chill.
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And then, I remember
the awkward moment
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where I was in the basement
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and Mom and George
were down there.
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And I remember asking,
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"Is this where
they hid the bodies?"
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I remember Mom
looking at George
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and George looking at Mom,
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and then
they all looked at me.
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And nobody answered
the question.
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[flies buzzing]
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[dreamy sitar music]
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♪
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[reporter] The Maharishi
Mahesh Yogis program
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of transcendental meditation
attracted
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thousands of followers.
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[Christopher] George was
into this new thing
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that I didn't know
anything about.
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It was new to me, anyway.
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It was called
transcendental meditation.
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He would sit in this specific
position sitting on the floor,
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legs crossed, palms open,
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and holding his fingers
in a weird way,
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and say these sounds.
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[reporter] Every single
student at the university
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is a regular practitioner
of transcendental meditation.
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[student] It's nothing
out of the ordinary at all.
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At times, one...
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[Christopher] He got my mom
into it.
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[reporter] ...of their
vast organization.
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We were both into practicing
transcendental meditation.
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♪
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[Christopher] I don't think
she ever had anything
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to do with it prior
to them getting together.
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[ambient music]
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♪
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It was a pretty regular
thing that they did.
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And they would want time
to be able to do it.
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And we would be quiet,
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whether it was up
in our own rooms or outside.
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I recall them wanting
a long time to meditate, so...
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♪
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That was my introduction
to transcendental meditation.
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♪
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And he had me doing it
with him.
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♪
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I was practicing
transcendental meditation.
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And on one occasion,
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during the meditation,
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something reached out
and took hold of my hand.
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[eerie music]
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And my only description
for it was
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the touch of a woman,
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simply because you could feel
a softness.
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But yet, you know there was
an inner strength involved.
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I thought she was kidding
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and she, you know,
reiterated it again.
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And I believed her.
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♪
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She was concerned enough
to tell me about it.
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And we really put it down to
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just being overtired
and moving in.
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We moved in a week
before Christmas, 1975.
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So we were very anxious
to get set up for Christmas.
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We had a lot of company coming
the following week.
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[Carol] And on a weekend,
there were a number of people
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who were going to go
and help them
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move their stuff
into the house.
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What do you think?
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[Carol] My ex-husband and I,
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both of us were gonna go
to the house
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and help him move in.
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When we got to the house,
I just became violently sick.
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I got very dizzy.
I felt very nauseous.
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And I told my husband,
I said, "I can't go in there."
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What's the matter?
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[Carol] And I felt like
I was gonna pass out
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sitting in the car
outside the house.
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I don't want to go any closer.
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Carolyn,
what are you talking about?
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[ghostly voice] Get out.
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It gives me the creeps.
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[Carol] George and Kathy
wanted to have, like,
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a housewarming
holiday party together.
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Again, the exact same thing
that happened to me in the car
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happened to me
in the apartment.
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I got dizzy.
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I got sick.
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I felt like
I was gonna pass out.
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And I never made it
to the party.
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I never made it out the door.
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It was just
a unbelievable feeling.
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[suspenseful music]
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♪
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And after that,
I had other encounters
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with a presence
either in our bedroom,
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the kitchen,
or the dining room.
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Missy came down
on one occasion.
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And she said,
"Mommy, do angels talk?"
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And I asked her
to explain her question.
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And she said,
"Well, something talks to me,
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and I answer."
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And I shrugged it off,
a child's vivid imagination.
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On several occasions,
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I'd go and stand in front
of Missy's closed door,
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and I would hear her
carrying on a conversation.
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And I would hear the answer.
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And I opened the door.
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You could hear
the sounds of an answer.
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- Of another voice?
- I would open the door.
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And Missy would be
sitting on her bed.
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And she had a small
rocking chair in the room.
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And the chair would be rocking.
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You couldn't see
anything sitting in it.
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And Missy was talking
in the direction of the chair.
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[unsettling music]
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♪
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And then Missy told us
about Jody.
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♪
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- You scared Jody.
- Jody?
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She tells me about
the little boy
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who used to live in my room.
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He got hurt and he died.
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[Kathy] Missy said
that there was this pig.
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We put it to her imagination
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until there were
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hoofprints out in the snow.
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[snow crunching]
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Something walked
from the house,
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through the snow,
out to the river,
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and right off into the water.
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[unsettling music]
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♪
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[Christopher] Christmas came.
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Danny and I started
fighting more than ever.
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My brother is, you know,
kind of an instigator.
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The whole wall
along the playroom,
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it was closet area.
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And my brother convinced me to
go in there and get something.
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- He shut the door.
- [door slams]
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And I couldn't get out.
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00:25:51,930 --> 00:25:55,300
[doorknob rattling]
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00:25:55,500 --> 00:25:59,820
Backing up, something grabbed
the back of my calf.
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And it scared
the hell out of me.
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00:26:08,430 --> 00:26:11,230
[bluesy guitar playing]
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00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:18,700
♪
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[Joe] So I met George in '73
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00:26:26,790 --> 00:26:29,640
and we spent
a lot of time together.
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He was just getting
his marriage annulled
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from his first wife.
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00:26:35,890 --> 00:26:37,210
Didn't know much
about his background,
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00:26:37,410 --> 00:26:39,860
except he was an ex-Marine.
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00:26:40,060 --> 00:26:42,560
But he never talked about
the military service.
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00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,040
[loud explosions]
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00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,220
[rapid gunfire]
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00:26:48,420 --> 00:26:51,050
[Carol] George did say
that he served in Vietnam.
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00:26:51,250 --> 00:26:52,700
[helicopter whirring]
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00:26:52,900 --> 00:26:55,660
There was something
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that he didn't want
to talk about
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00:26:57,910 --> 00:26:59,750
when it came to his service
in Vietnam.
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00:26:59,950 --> 00:27:03,670
[helicopter whirring]
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00:27:03,870 --> 00:27:06,150
And too many people,
my friends,
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00:27:06,350 --> 00:27:07,890
the ones that did come back,
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they were not the same.
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00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:12,330
[men chanting]
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00:27:12,530 --> 00:27:15,200
[reporter 1] Over 1,000
Vietnam vets came here to say
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the war was a horrible mistake
and should end.
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00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:20,560
[reporter 2]
The protest was angry
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00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,210
and more passionate than most
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00:27:22,410 --> 00:27:24,170
because these vets
had borne witness.
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00:27:24,370 --> 00:27:26,780
The men have a flair
for drama,
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throwing back the medals
they had won in Vietnam.
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They were still unsatisfied.
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♪
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[Erik] The Vietnam veteran
is a fascinating
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and tragic figure
in American history,
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particularly in the '70s.
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They carried the guilt of this
absurd and useless operation.
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And they don't return home
to any kind of homecoming,
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any kind of celebration.
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00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,800
[crowd cheering and whistling]
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00:28:03,810 --> 00:28:06,250
[vocalizing]
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A lot of vets returning,
finding themselves alienated
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both from mainstream America
and from the counterculture,
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would find themselves
joining biker gangs
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because it's a way of
building up a kind of identity
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that is independent
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and as a way of dealing
with the dislocation
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00:28:23,470 --> 00:28:26,100
and confusion of that era.
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00:28:26,300 --> 00:28:29,060
[tense music]
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♪
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The logic of a biker gang is
not dissimilar than a platoon.
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00:28:35,130 --> 00:28:38,850
That sense of camaraderie
in a hostile universe,
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it carries over
into a biker gang,
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00:28:41,580 --> 00:28:44,120
where you're really there
for your fellow bikers.
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00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,980
And there's an incredible
tight bond.
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00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,300
So in a way,
they represent the profound
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00:28:51,500 --> 00:28:54,860
and painful contradictions
of the era.
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A couple of guys in our group
were veterans from Vietnam.
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00:29:00,590 --> 00:29:02,440
But they never talked
about it.
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00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,400
They just enjoyed
the camaraderie
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00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,140
and the motorcycles.
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00:29:06,340 --> 00:29:08,360
♪
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00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,090
George's gas tank was
shaped like a coffin.
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00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,760
It was also painted all black.
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00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,020
That says something.
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00:29:18,220 --> 00:29:21,200
He made sure
the trike was his own.
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00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,030
George had himself painted
in the prone position
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00:29:25,230 --> 00:29:30,210
with George laying
on the coffin tank,
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00:29:30,410 --> 00:29:31,900
like he was in a coffin.
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00:29:32,100 --> 00:29:34,990
[bluesy guitar playing]
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00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:41,040
♪
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00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,000
When we went
to New Hampshire Bike Week,
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I think this was in 1975.
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♪
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And one of the guys said
that his brother-in-law
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had moved to Weirs Beach.
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00:29:55,430 --> 00:30:00,370
It was just a short ride
down the hill from our hotel.
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00:30:00,570 --> 00:30:04,460
And his name was Ray Buckland.
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00:30:04,660 --> 00:30:07,810
I am a follower
of the religion of witchcraft,
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00:30:08,010 --> 00:30:10,860
the pre-Christian religion.
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00:30:11,060 --> 00:30:13,080
[Joe] He had a big name
in the occult,
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00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,080
wrote books on witchcraft.
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00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,340
We got there and he gave us
a tour of the whole house.
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00:30:20,540 --> 00:30:22,090
[reporter]
Witchcraft and Satanism are
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00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,570
exploding in popularity,
especially among youth.
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00:30:25,770 --> 00:30:28,400
This lecture is given
by Dr. Raymond Buckland,
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00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,880
anthropologist and white witch
of Long Island, New York.
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00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,490
If we can have
the house lights off,
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00:30:34,690 --> 00:30:38,280
then we'll get into the slides.
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00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:40,450
[reporter]
His slides show ceremonies
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00:30:40,650 --> 00:30:42,150
held in his own basement,
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00:30:42,350 --> 00:30:44,930
where he and his wife,
a high priestess,
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00:30:45,130 --> 00:30:46,410
hold nude rituals
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00:30:46,610 --> 00:30:49,850
to summon Neolithic gods
of the hunt and fertility.
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00:30:50,050 --> 00:30:53,290
[eerie music]
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00:30:53,490 --> 00:30:56,380
They say these ceremonies
can heal the sick,
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00:30:56,580 --> 00:30:58,820
but they could be used
for evil purposes
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00:30:59,020 --> 00:31:01,990
in the wrong hands.
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00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:08,440
[Joe] Ray Buckland originally
had a museum in Bayshore
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00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,430
on Long Island.
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00:31:11,730 --> 00:31:15,310
George also said that he had
been to the museum in Bayshore.
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00:31:15,510 --> 00:31:22,360
♪
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00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,020
And we headed outside,
524
00:31:25,220 --> 00:31:28,020
had a smoke before
we got ready to ride again,
525
00:31:28,220 --> 00:31:30,410
but George was
nowhere to be found.
526
00:31:30,610 --> 00:31:34,590
He was still in the house
talking to Ray.
527
00:31:34,790 --> 00:31:37,070
He finally came outside.
528
00:31:37,270 --> 00:31:38,940
We razzed him a little bit
about
529
00:31:39,140 --> 00:31:40,550
what the heck he was doing.
530
00:31:40,750 --> 00:31:42,250
He never said anything about
531
00:31:42,450 --> 00:31:45,300
why he was talking to Ray
at any extended length of time.
532
00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:48,430
So we just got on our bikes
and rode.
533
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:50,960
No further mention of it
for the rest of the week
534
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,000
and the seven-hour ride home.
535
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,000
Absolutely nothing.
536
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:56,350
And, you know,
we knew each other
537
00:31:56,550 --> 00:31:58,010
pretty well by that time,
538
00:31:58,210 --> 00:31:59,840
'cause I had already been
best man at his wedding.
539
00:32:00,030 --> 00:32:02,350
So it was kind of strange.
540
00:32:03,310 --> 00:32:04,880
And he was into meditation.
541
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,410
So every once in a while
on the ride home,
542
00:32:06,610 --> 00:32:09,580
he would stop
and then meditate.
543
00:32:09,780 --> 00:32:12,850
He's, "I'm gonna meditate,
so don't disturb me."
544
00:32:13,050 --> 00:32:16,060
[vocalizing]
545
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,470
[Erik] Understanding the human
as something that has
546
00:32:21,660 --> 00:32:23,470
these greater potentials
547
00:32:23,670 --> 00:32:26,600
is a super important part
of that whole
548
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,560
'70s spiritual mind frame.
549
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,220
There are psychic powers.
Telepathy is possible.
550
00:32:33,420 --> 00:32:35,440
So there was a sense
that there was an opportunity
551
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,090
to change the self,
to explore the self.
552
00:32:38,290 --> 00:32:40,090
What can we actually do
553
00:32:40,290 --> 00:32:42,660
to enhance our own
inherent powers?
554
00:32:42,860 --> 00:32:44,360
The occult and the paranormal
555
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,060
and radical psychological
techniques,
556
00:32:47,260 --> 00:32:49,930
they were all part of this,
as well as drugs.
557
00:32:50,130 --> 00:32:53,320
[vocalizing]
558
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:54,500
[interviewer]
Did you ever think
559
00:32:54,700 --> 00:32:56,240
maybe you're conjuring
this up yourself,
560
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:57,540
or it could be your own
mental powers working on it?
561
00:32:57,740 --> 00:32:59,940
Have you tried anything
in that area or...
562
00:33:00,140 --> 00:33:02,070
None of us really had any--
563
00:33:02,270 --> 00:33:05,420
neither of us had
any knowledge of the occult
564
00:33:05,620 --> 00:33:07,420
- prior to moving into the home.
- [interviewer] Nothing?
565
00:33:07,620 --> 00:33:09,210
You hold yourself up
for ridicule, for one thing,
566
00:33:09,410 --> 00:33:11,600
to just stand up and say,
"This really happened."
567
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,040
I'll tell you what.
I wouldn't be afraid
568
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:14,390
to tell anybody
if it happened to me.
569
00:33:14,590 --> 00:33:15,560
Come to think of it, again,
on second thought,
570
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:16,870
I'd run around
and tell them all, maybe.
571
00:33:17,070 --> 00:33:20,130
- Charge admission to the house.
- [laughter]
572
00:33:20,330 --> 00:33:22,210
We'd watch the furniture fly
or do something.
573
00:33:24,170 --> 00:33:27,260
[vocalizing]
574
00:33:30,740 --> 00:33:32,620
[Erik] One of these alternative
spiritual practices
575
00:33:32,820 --> 00:33:35,450
was transcendental meditation.
576
00:33:35,650 --> 00:33:38,150
Some of The Beach Boys
practiced TM,
577
00:33:38,350 --> 00:33:41,760
and it was
kind of a clever practice
578
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,420
because it was
relatively simple.
579
00:33:44,620 --> 00:33:48,470
It would fit
into an ordinary day.
580
00:33:48,660 --> 00:33:50,510
And yet there was
a little bit of magic in it.
581
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:51,950
You had the secret mantra.
582
00:33:52,150 --> 00:33:55,160
[vocalizing]
583
00:33:57,770 --> 00:34:00,430
People thought it started to
open up magical powers even.
584
00:34:00,630 --> 00:34:02,440
So like a lot
of these practices,
585
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,480
they provide
immediate rewards,
586
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,310
but then
they also open the door
587
00:34:07,510 --> 00:34:09,700
towards the possibility
of more mystical
588
00:34:09,900 --> 00:34:11,620
or spiritual kinds of states.
589
00:34:11,820 --> 00:34:14,490
[vocalizing]
590
00:34:14,690 --> 00:34:19,280
So a mantra is a series
of sacred syllables.
591
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:20,580
And it might mean something,
592
00:34:20,780 --> 00:34:22,590
but the point is
to keep repeating it,
593
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:24,590
not unlike saying a rosary.
594
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:26,810
And you're repeating
the name of a god,
595
00:34:27,010 --> 00:34:28,980
or you're repeating
a certain phrase
596
00:34:29,180 --> 00:34:32,070
that you would get
from your guru,
597
00:34:32,270 --> 00:34:33,770
a series of sacred syllables
598
00:34:33,970 --> 00:34:37,290
that have
some extra power to them.
599
00:34:39,590 --> 00:34:43,130
[vocalizing]
600
00:34:43,330 --> 00:34:44,350
[Christopher]
The word that you repeat
601
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:46,130
over and over and over again
602
00:34:46,330 --> 00:34:48,220
is actually the name
of a spirit.
603
00:34:48,420 --> 00:34:49,480
And what you're doing is,
604
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,830
you're calling
that spirit into you.
605
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:55,230
What George doesn't
talk about is
606
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:57,490
the other thing
that he was mixing it with.
607
00:34:57,690 --> 00:35:02,100
[vocalizing]
608
00:35:02,300 --> 00:35:05,190
What I found out is that
the list of spirits
609
00:35:05,390 --> 00:35:07,200
that are recommended from
610
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,720
transcendental meditation
practitioners,
611
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,710
they tell you what the word is
that you're gonna say.
612
00:35:15,020 --> 00:35:16,510
The things
that he was calling on
613
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:18,640
are not on that
recommended list.
614
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,720
[vocalizing]
615
00:35:24,250 --> 00:35:26,560
It's not a good thing.
616
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,220
And by calling that spirit
into himself,
617
00:35:29,420 --> 00:35:32,260
he availed himself
to possession.
618
00:35:32,460 --> 00:35:35,270
Because you're--
you're giving it--
619
00:35:35,470 --> 00:35:37,530
you're giving it entry.
620
00:35:37,730 --> 00:35:39,580
What George was doing
in that house
621
00:35:39,780 --> 00:35:42,800
would have caused a haunting
in any home.
622
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,800
[ominous music]
623
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,150
♪
624
00:35:49,350 --> 00:35:52,110
[flames crackling]
625
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:58,670
♪
626
00:36:02,590 --> 00:36:04,300
[Joe] We were at home
in Babylon,
627
00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:06,080
and there's a knock
on the door,
628
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,170
and it's George and Kathy.
629
00:36:09,370 --> 00:36:11,700
They were frightened.
630
00:36:11,890 --> 00:36:13,440
I had never seen them
like that before.
631
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,220
They were truly frightened
632
00:36:15,420 --> 00:36:16,790
of what was happening
in the house.
633
00:36:16,990 --> 00:36:18,310
[flames crackling]
634
00:36:18,510 --> 00:36:20,660
The temperature extremes
in the house,
635
00:36:20,860 --> 00:36:22,840
the way George explained it
was like
636
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,710
a runaway locomotive.
637
00:36:24,910 --> 00:36:26,840
It got hot or it got cold.
638
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,660
[flames crackling]
639
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:33,330
He was up every night
at three o'clock
640
00:36:33,530 --> 00:36:34,720
wandering the house,
641
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,590
visiting the boathouse
for no apparent reason.
642
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:40,330
I had never seen them
like that before.
643
00:36:40,530 --> 00:36:42,160
They were truly frightened
644
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:43,770
of what was happening
in the house.
645
00:36:43,970 --> 00:36:47,210
[flames crackling]
646
00:36:47,410 --> 00:36:50,690
[Christopher] George had
a change in his demeanor
647
00:36:50,890 --> 00:36:53,520
where he no longer
went into work,
648
00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:57,390
became obsessed with just
sitting around the fire
649
00:36:57,590 --> 00:37:00,220
and obsessed with his boats
and his boathouse.
650
00:37:00,420 --> 00:37:03,530
[thunderclap]
651
00:37:03,730 --> 00:37:06,360
And George's temperament
was, like,
652
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,880
quick to get pissed off
and express that.
653
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,660
That became scary.
654
00:37:14,140 --> 00:37:17,370
[George]
Confusion, anger, misplaced
655
00:37:17,570 --> 00:37:20,630
because I would direct it
at Kathy for no reason.
656
00:37:20,830 --> 00:37:23,640
- [banging]
- [children crying]
657
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,510
[banging]
658
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:29,640
Noises would go off
downstairs every night,
659
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,380
slamming doors.
660
00:37:31,580 --> 00:37:32,910
The kids would come down
from the third floor
661
00:37:33,110 --> 00:37:35,520
to see what was going on.
662
00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:37,520
- [sighs]
- [phone rings]
663
00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:39,700
When we called Father Ray
the next day,
664
00:37:39,900 --> 00:37:41,570
he asked what we were
still doing there.
665
00:37:41,770 --> 00:37:43,700
He was surprised that we were
still even in the house.
666
00:37:43,900 --> 00:37:46,660
And it hadn't even occurred
to us to--even at that point
667
00:37:46,860 --> 00:37:49,580
to just up
and abandon everything.
668
00:37:49,780 --> 00:37:54,490
Father Ray wasn't just
your average parish priest.
669
00:37:54,690 --> 00:37:57,760
He was trained in the Vatican.
670
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,540
[George] The only priest
I knew was a priest
671
00:37:59,740 --> 00:38:01,890
by the name
of Father Ralph Pecoraro.
672
00:38:02,090 --> 00:38:04,900
I had met him
when my previous marriage,
673
00:38:05,090 --> 00:38:08,900
which had lasted about
six months, had been annulled.
674
00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:12,380
He went room to room,
said prayers in each room.
675
00:38:12,580 --> 00:38:15,470
[Ray] I was blessing
the sewing room.
676
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:17,730
It was cold.
It was really cold in there.
677
00:38:17,930 --> 00:38:20,870
And I thought, "Gee, that's--
this is peculiar."
678
00:38:21,070 --> 00:38:24,570
I also--sprinkling holy water.
679
00:38:24,770 --> 00:38:26,740
[ghostly voice] Get out.
680
00:38:26,940 --> 00:38:30,880
[Ray] And I heard
a rather deep voice behind me
681
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,400
say, "Get out."
682
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:35,800
[George] He stopped
and just asked us
683
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,490
what we were going to use
one bedroom for.
684
00:38:38,690 --> 00:38:39,970
There was something
about the room
685
00:38:40,170 --> 00:38:43,060
that made him uncomfortable
and he wanted to leave.
686
00:38:43,260 --> 00:38:44,670
That was evidently the bedroom
687
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:46,980
where the two boys
had been murdered.
688
00:38:47,180 --> 00:38:53,760
♪
689
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:01,470
We had asked him to come back
and bless the house again,
690
00:39:01,670 --> 00:39:03,680
which he refused to do.
691
00:39:05,470 --> 00:39:08,390
And we were
really shattered by that.
692
00:39:08,590 --> 00:39:10,920
We didn't know
why he wouldn't come back.
693
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,620
We couldn't understand that.
694
00:39:12,810 --> 00:39:17,970
♪
695
00:39:18,170 --> 00:39:19,750
Pretty soon, New Year's came.
696
00:39:19,950 --> 00:39:23,630
I remember coming back
from school one day.
697
00:39:23,830 --> 00:39:26,500
I was laying on my bed,
698
00:39:26,700 --> 00:39:29,620
looking out into the hallway.
699
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,900
Right in front of the door,
there was this figure.
700
00:39:35,100 --> 00:39:37,470
♪
701
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:39,340
It looked like a shadow,
702
00:39:39,540 --> 00:39:41,770
doesn't have legs
that touch the ground.
703
00:39:41,970 --> 00:39:46,870
♪
704
00:39:47,070 --> 00:39:48,610
And as I'm looking
at this thing,
705
00:39:48,810 --> 00:39:50,910
it's coming towards me.
706
00:39:51,110 --> 00:39:57,920
♪
707
00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:59,870
And I was petrified.
708
00:40:02,090 --> 00:40:03,710
[ghostly voice] Get out!
709
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:06,410
[Kathy whispering] Our Father
which art in heaven,
710
00:40:06,610 --> 00:40:08,320
hallowed be thy name.
711
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:09,930
[tinkling]
712
00:40:10,130 --> 00:40:12,810
[George] The last week
we were there was the worst.
713
00:40:13,010 --> 00:40:14,460
[Kathy whispering]
Thy will be done.
714
00:40:14,660 --> 00:40:16,680
At a suggestion of a friend,
we went around
715
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,380
and we blessed the rooms
in the house.
716
00:40:20,580 --> 00:40:23,860
There was quite a deal
of screaming.
717
00:40:24,060 --> 00:40:28,040
[George] We heard a chorus
of voices scream out,
718
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:30,520
"Will you please stop?"
719
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:33,090
♪
720
00:40:33,290 --> 00:40:34,650
[Christopher] I remember them
having us go around
721
00:40:34,850 --> 00:40:37,530
and open all the windows.
722
00:40:37,730 --> 00:40:39,010
What they were trying to do
was, like,
723
00:40:39,210 --> 00:40:42,040
basically their own exorcism
of the house.
724
00:40:44,050 --> 00:40:47,530
And here they were walking
around saying these prayers.
725
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,150
It was afterwards that they
had us closing the windows,
726
00:40:52,350 --> 00:40:55,540
and that was when the incident
with Danny's hand happened.
727
00:40:55,740 --> 00:40:58,460
[screaming]
728
00:40:58,660 --> 00:41:01,590
[Christopher] My mom trying
to get the window off his hand
729
00:41:01,790 --> 00:41:02,900
took more time
than it should have.
730
00:41:03,100 --> 00:41:04,600
[screaming, crying]
731
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,730
[Kathy] Let me push it up.
732
00:41:06,930 --> 00:41:08,690
[Christopher] And Danny was,
like, screaming in pain.
733
00:41:08,890 --> 00:41:12,910
[screaming, crying]
734
00:41:13,110 --> 00:41:15,870
[unsettling music]
735
00:41:16,070 --> 00:41:20,440
♪
736
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,620
[George] I was half dressed.
737
00:41:23,820 --> 00:41:26,010
Then I looked down at Kathy,
and...
738
00:41:26,210 --> 00:41:29,580
♪
739
00:41:29,780 --> 00:41:31,620
...the lines started
to form in her face.
740
00:41:31,820 --> 00:41:34,060
And she saw herself
and started screaming.
741
00:41:34,260 --> 00:41:37,150
[interviewer]
What did you look like?
742
00:41:37,350 --> 00:41:38,760
[George] Like an old crag.
743
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,760
- [audience laughs]
- [interviewer] You tell me.
744
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,030
What did you--what was your--
745
00:41:43,230 --> 00:41:44,680
tell me what you saw
and what you thought.
746
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:45,770
What did you think
when you look in the mirror
747
00:41:45,970 --> 00:41:47,160
and you see yourself age
like that?
748
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,770
Well, it was really repulsive.
749
00:41:49,970 --> 00:41:53,560
My mouth was very tight,
severe lines,
750
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,950
lines throughout the cheeks,
crow's feet,
751
00:41:57,150 --> 00:42:00,130
and the change
in the hair color.
752
00:42:00,330 --> 00:42:01,440
[interviewer] Did you feel--
753
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,960
Physically,
I felt without energy.
754
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:05,530
[interviewer] Huh.
755
00:42:05,730 --> 00:42:07,620
Uh, looking in the mirror,
756
00:42:07,820 --> 00:42:10,920
it was like looking
through a Halloween mask,
757
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,840
knowing how you are,
what you look like.
758
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,540
And yet what you see
isn't what you know.
759
00:42:17,740 --> 00:42:20,540
[unsettling music]
760
00:42:20,740 --> 00:42:27,800
♪
761
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:35,730
[George] Something's going on
762
00:42:35,930 --> 00:42:36,820
that you don't
really understand.
763
00:42:37,020 --> 00:42:38,600
And we really did not want
764
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,550
to just give up
on living there.
765
00:42:42,990 --> 00:42:45,990
We wanted to get
the house fixed.
766
00:42:48,170 --> 00:42:52,140
[Carol] George wanted to do
some research on the house.
767
00:42:52,340 --> 00:42:56,710
He got involved in looking up
what the land was
768
00:42:56,910 --> 00:42:58,880
and all the history
of the house
769
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,150
to see if there was any sort
of connection in the past
770
00:43:03,350 --> 00:43:07,890
to things that had happened
on the property, to the house.
771
00:43:08,090 --> 00:43:14,990
♪
772
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:18,030
[insects buzzing]
773
00:43:24,730 --> 00:43:25,870
George and Kathy felt that
774
00:43:26,070 --> 00:43:28,860
something was let loose
in the house.
775
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:36,620
I do believe in the paranormal,
776
00:43:36,820 --> 00:43:38,840
that people can have
experiences.
777
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,230
So maybe there were
children ghosts in the house.
778
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:44,190
And maybe that's what
Missy was talking to.
779
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:46,890
[distant sirens wailing]
780
00:43:47,090 --> 00:43:48,240
[George]
We learned after we spoke
781
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:49,670
with the local police there
782
00:43:49,870 --> 00:43:51,630
that we had the same odor
in the house
783
00:43:51,830 --> 00:43:52,980
that would come and go
784
00:43:53,180 --> 00:43:55,200
that was there when
they arrived on the scene.
785
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,900
[distant sirens wailing]
786
00:43:59,100 --> 00:44:00,860
We could tell the police
about the murders
787
00:44:01,060 --> 00:44:03,640
things that were never
released to the public.
788
00:44:06,290 --> 00:44:09,130
We knew who was shot,
789
00:44:09,330 --> 00:44:11,350
where they were shot,
790
00:44:11,550 --> 00:44:12,920
what position they were in.
791
00:44:13,110 --> 00:44:14,350
The first week in the house,
792
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:17,310
the children and Kathy
all slept on their stomachs.
793
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:20,920
And we knew from that
that the murders had--
794
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,060
everyone in the family
had been shot,
795
00:44:23,260 --> 00:44:25,220
they were facedown
on their stomachs.
796
00:44:28,140 --> 00:44:31,320
I found myself waking up
at 3:15 every morning
797
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,720
and for no reason at all.
798
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,720
When we found out later
from the police
799
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,160
something that had
never been released was
800
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,380
that was when
the murders took place.
801
00:44:41,580 --> 00:44:45,120
[Carol] George and Kathy told
me the story about the DeFeos.
802
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,820
They were a family
from Brooklyn.
803
00:44:49,020 --> 00:44:52,350
And what happened, supposedly,
804
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:55,130
Ronald DeFeo, the son,
805
00:44:55,330 --> 00:44:57,660
murdered his entire family
in the house.
806
00:44:57,860 --> 00:45:04,870
♪
807
00:45:09,010 --> 00:45:10,190
[Gloria]
Sometimes, he'd remind me
808
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:13,240
of Charles Manson.
809
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,280
Maybe they thought
he'd get away with it,
810
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:20,030
that it wasn't him,
it was a ghost that did it.
811
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:23,990
I said, if anyone could
haunt a house, it's him.
812
00:45:24,190 --> 00:45:30,850
♪
813
00:45:35,420 --> 00:45:36,690
[Tommy]
This is really the first time
814
00:45:36,890 --> 00:45:38,990
I'm even talking about it.
815
00:45:40,430 --> 00:45:41,960
I don't want to be
associated with it,
816
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:43,480
to be honest with you.
817
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,440
But something tells me
I should--
818
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,360
I have a couple things to say.
819
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,140
And I'd like to let people know
820
00:45:51,340 --> 00:45:54,010
some things
that they don't know.
821
00:45:57,450 --> 00:46:01,200
November 13, 1974.
822
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,360
It was the last time
I saw him.
823
00:46:06,580 --> 00:46:09,250
George told me that he--
824
00:46:09,450 --> 00:46:12,300
he had learned
that the house was built
825
00:46:12,490 --> 00:46:15,730
on an Indian burial ground.
826
00:46:15,930 --> 00:46:19,260
He went to the society
in Amityville,
827
00:46:19,460 --> 00:46:22,910
and they had old maps.
828
00:46:25,390 --> 00:46:29,050
And that it was possible
spirits in the land
829
00:46:29,250 --> 00:46:31,010
had something to do
with the evil
830
00:46:31,210 --> 00:46:33,220
that was in the house.
831
00:46:39,490 --> 00:46:41,800
[thunder crashes]
832
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:42,800
[interviewer]
What happened the night
833
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,070
that made you flee the house?
834
00:46:44,270 --> 00:46:46,850
The boys' bedroom
was above ours,
835
00:46:47,050 --> 00:46:50,250
and they each had
their own bed.
836
00:46:50,450 --> 00:46:54,210
And we could hear the beds
slamming down onto the floor.
837
00:46:54,410 --> 00:46:56,170
[all screaming]
838
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,430
Something tremendous would
pick it up and slam it down.
839
00:46:59,630 --> 00:47:02,040
Their bedroom door
would open and close.
840
00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:04,000
Their closet doors
would open and close.
841
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,170
And the boys were in fear
watching this.
842
00:47:08,690 --> 00:47:10,050
Go! Run!
843
00:47:10,250 --> 00:47:13,270
[suspenseful music]
844
00:47:13,470 --> 00:47:16,050
[thunder crashing]
845
00:47:16,250 --> 00:47:23,140
♪
846
00:47:26,660 --> 00:47:29,760
[mellow guitar playing]
847
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:34,290
♪
848
00:47:34,490 --> 00:47:37,250
[psychedelic rock music]
849
00:47:37,450 --> 00:47:44,330
♪
850
00:47:48,030 --> 00:47:50,220
[singer] ♪ Try
851
00:47:50,420 --> 00:47:54,960
♪ To understand what I say
852
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,580
♪ We are not leaving today
853
00:47:58,770 --> 00:48:00,360
♪ It's true
854
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:06,410
♪ Oh, we're just
Passing through ♪
855
00:48:06,610 --> 00:48:13,450
♪
856
00:48:21,150 --> 00:48:27,600
♪ You may hide away
For a while ♪
857
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,610
♪ When you come back
There's a smile ♪
858
00:48:31,810 --> 00:48:35,830
♪ On the face of your clock
859
00:48:36,030 --> 00:48:40,920
♪ As the time passes by
860
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,620
[music fades]
861
00:48:44,820 --> 00:48:46,960
[eerie ambient hum]
862
00:48:47,010 --> 00:48:51,560
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