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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,671 --> 00:00:09,134 ♪ ♪ 2 00:00:09,134 --> 00:00:14,681 ♪ It hurts to be told when you're not very old ♪ 3 00:00:14,681 --> 00:00:16,934 MARIANA: Americans and guns go hand in hand. 4 00:00:16,934 --> 00:00:19,061 ♪ An outlaw's son ♪ 5 00:00:19,061 --> 00:00:21,563 MARIANA: They're part of the country's founding mythology, 6 00:00:21,563 --> 00:00:25,067 and for some citizens, they go to the core of what it means 7 00:00:25,067 --> 00:00:26,985 to be an American. 8 00:00:26,985 --> 00:00:30,906 COWBOY: We're surrounded by a sea of wonderful products to buy. 9 00:00:31,281 --> 00:00:34,201 ♪ The son of a gun ♪ 10 00:00:34,201 --> 00:00:37,871 MARIANA: Today, the US has nearly 400 million firearms 11 00:00:37,871 --> 00:00:39,915 in circulation. 12 00:00:39,915 --> 00:00:44,253 It's the only country in the world with more guns than people. 13 00:00:44,253 --> 00:00:47,256 All of this is constitutionally protected 14 00:00:47,256 --> 00:00:49,967 and 100% legal. 15 00:00:50,592 --> 00:00:53,553 But a new kind of weapons technology is testing the 16 00:00:53,553 --> 00:00:56,014 limits of America's gun laws. 17 00:00:56,348 --> 00:00:58,684 They're called ghost guns. 18 00:00:58,684 --> 00:01:03,981 Unlicensed, untraceable, and easy to assemble at home. 19 00:01:04,690 --> 00:01:07,484 CODY: Almost everything you see here is just printed on a 3D printer. 20 00:01:07,484 --> 00:01:08,485 MARIANA: Do they ask you any questions? 21 00:01:12,406 --> 00:01:16,535 MARIANA: I want to know who's making them, who's buying them. 22 00:01:16,535 --> 00:01:17,911 Have you sold to criminals? 23 00:01:25,210 --> 00:01:27,212 MARIANA: And how these weapons are getting into the hands of 24 00:01:27,212 --> 00:01:30,465 America's most violent gangs. 25 00:01:30,465 --> 00:01:32,217 CODY: This is a world you will have to live in. 26 00:01:32,217 --> 00:01:33,802 There's no going back. 27 00:01:35,762 --> 00:01:38,015 (gunshots) 28 00:01:38,015 --> 00:01:43,020 (theme music plays) 29 00:01:51,403 --> 00:01:54,489 RYAN: We're searching for ammunition and firearms. 30 00:01:54,865 --> 00:01:56,825 No one inside of this house has any guns registered to 31 00:01:56,825 --> 00:02:00,162 them, but there's likely several guns inside of here. 32 00:02:00,162 --> 00:02:02,372 We don't necessarily anticipate any violence, 33 00:02:02,372 --> 00:02:05,959 but they are meth users and the dope game is unpredictable. 34 00:02:09,212 --> 00:02:11,340 MARIANA: Welcome to the frontlines of the fight 35 00:02:11,340 --> 00:02:14,009 against ghost guns. 36 00:02:14,259 --> 00:02:17,304 Detective Ryan Swetavage is a member of the Alameda County 37 00:02:17,304 --> 00:02:20,682 Sheriff's Office Gang Suppression Unit. 38 00:02:20,682 --> 00:02:23,602 Today, the team is executing a search warrant on the home of 39 00:02:23,602 --> 00:02:27,230 a convicted felon; a home they suspect is being used to 40 00:02:27,230 --> 00:02:29,608 manufacture ghost guns. 41 00:02:29,608 --> 00:02:30,817 RYAN: So when we pull up in front of the house, 42 00:02:30,817 --> 00:02:32,069 try to stay behind a vehicle, 43 00:02:32,069 --> 00:02:33,570 so you're a little bit more protected. 44 00:02:33,570 --> 00:02:35,197 MARIANA: Okay. In case there are shots fired? 45 00:02:35,197 --> 00:02:37,032 RYAN: Correct. 46 00:02:47,709 --> 00:02:49,878 Okay. Here we go. 47 00:02:53,507 --> 00:02:58,595 ♪ ♪ 48 00:02:58,595 --> 00:03:00,430 (knocking) 49 00:03:00,430 --> 00:03:02,099 This is the Alameda County Sheriff's Office! 50 00:03:02,099 --> 00:03:05,185 Come to the front door with nothing in your hands! 51 00:03:09,898 --> 00:03:12,776 Come on down the stairs. 52 00:03:13,193 --> 00:03:15,612 MARIANA: Oh, somebody just came out. 53 00:03:17,155 --> 00:03:19,157 MAN: Oh, my God. 54 00:03:19,533 --> 00:03:21,827 MARIANA: Over the next couple hours, the team locates an 55 00:03:21,827 --> 00:03:24,788 impressive weapons cache. 56 00:03:27,749 --> 00:03:29,126 That was inside? 57 00:03:29,126 --> 00:03:30,919 RYAN: Yeah. MARIANA: That long one too? 58 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:32,421 RYAN: Yeah. 59 00:03:34,005 --> 00:03:36,508 So, she's not supposed to have firearms, but this is actually 60 00:03:36,508 --> 00:03:37,968 from a company. 61 00:03:37,968 --> 00:03:39,636 And then they drilled some holes in it, milled it out, 62 00:03:39,636 --> 00:03:41,179 and then completed the gun. 63 00:03:41,179 --> 00:03:43,140 There's no serial number on that plate. 64 00:03:43,140 --> 00:03:44,558 MARIANA: So it's a ghost gun, as well? 65 00:03:44,558 --> 00:03:46,226 RYAN: Correct, yeah. 66 00:03:46,226 --> 00:03:48,186 MARIANA: This is a critical point. 67 00:03:48,186 --> 00:03:50,730 Ghost guns are weapons without serial numbers, 68 00:03:50,730 --> 00:03:54,526 untraceable guns, which pose an enormous challenge 69 00:03:54,526 --> 00:03:57,195 for cops investigating gun violence. 70 00:03:57,195 --> 00:03:58,572 That's crazy. 71 00:03:58,572 --> 00:03:59,948 Did you think you were going to find so many guns? 72 00:03:59,948 --> 00:04:01,450 RYAN: I didn't think we're going to find this many. 73 00:04:01,450 --> 00:04:03,618 I mean, right here, just what we found so far, you know, 74 00:04:03,618 --> 00:04:06,371 about 30% of the guns here are ghosN guns. 75 00:04:07,122 --> 00:04:09,583 MARIANA: This is not an isolated incident. 76 00:04:09,583 --> 00:04:13,378 Illegal ghost gun recoveries are accelerating and there's 77 00:04:13,378 --> 00:04:15,589 a disturbing reason why. 78 00:04:15,589 --> 00:04:18,300 REPORTER (over TV): The 13-year-old was allegedly selling ghost guns. 79 00:04:18,300 --> 00:04:20,051 POLICE (over TV): You can manufacture your own gun. 80 00:04:20,051 --> 00:04:21,887 REPORTER (over TV): And build something that could kill people. 81 00:04:21,887 --> 00:04:24,181 MARIANA: Right now, there are more than 80 companies 82 00:04:24,181 --> 00:04:25,724 selling ghost guns. 83 00:04:25,724 --> 00:04:27,559 MAN: Straight to your door. 84 00:04:27,559 --> 00:04:29,644 MARIANA: Unlike traditional firearms, they can be 85 00:04:29,644 --> 00:04:32,814 purchased without any IDs or background checks. 86 00:04:33,774 --> 00:04:37,611 Buyers get what's called an 80% build kit. 87 00:04:37,611 --> 00:04:40,489 They simply drill a few holes and assemble. 88 00:04:40,489 --> 00:04:43,450 It's like Ikea for lethal weapons. 89 00:04:43,450 --> 00:04:46,495 WOMAN: This is how I've built mine, how will you build yours? 90 00:04:46,495 --> 00:04:48,914 RYAN: This is basically an AR-15 rifle that's been 91 00:04:48,914 --> 00:04:51,082 converted to fire handgun ammunition, 92 00:04:51,082 --> 00:04:52,584 nine-millimeter ammunition. 93 00:04:52,584 --> 00:04:55,045 In this case, we executed a search warrant on someone who 94 00:04:55,045 --> 00:04:57,422 was manufacturing these guns and likely selling them to 95 00:04:57,422 --> 00:04:58,840 gang members. 96 00:04:58,840 --> 00:05:01,134 MARIANA: But you found somebody making their own AR-15s 97 00:05:01,134 --> 00:05:03,845 to sell to gang members on the streets of the United States? 98 00:05:03,845 --> 00:05:05,347 RYAN: Correct, yeah. 99 00:05:05,347 --> 00:05:07,182 If he's going to put guns in the hands of gang members, 100 00:05:07,182 --> 00:05:09,226 he absolutely should not have that anything. 101 00:05:09,226 --> 00:05:11,728 MARIANA: And it's ghost gun technology like this that's 102 00:05:11,728 --> 00:05:13,271 making it possible. 103 00:05:13,271 --> 00:05:15,106 RYAN: This actual device is a mill. 104 00:05:15,106 --> 00:05:16,566 It's an electronic mill. 105 00:05:16,566 --> 00:05:18,693 So you plug that in to a laptop or any sort of computer 106 00:05:18,693 --> 00:05:21,446 and with a software that you can download, 107 00:05:21,446 --> 00:05:23,657 you can finish firearms. 108 00:05:23,657 --> 00:05:25,700 MARIANA: The operation they busted earlier tonight was 109 00:05:25,700 --> 00:05:28,995 using hand drills and dremels to make ghost guns. 110 00:05:28,995 --> 00:05:30,664 RYAN: These are just regular hand tools. 111 00:05:30,664 --> 00:05:33,124 MARIANA: Somewhat primitive compared to this machine, 112 00:05:33,124 --> 00:05:35,794 which allows someone to professionally mill 113 00:05:35,794 --> 00:05:37,546 metal gun parts at home. 114 00:05:37,546 --> 00:05:38,922 So do you mind if I look for, 115 00:05:38,922 --> 00:05:40,715 I'm trying to figure out what company makes this. 116 00:05:40,715 --> 00:05:44,261 RYAN: No. Go for it. 117 00:05:46,596 --> 00:05:48,306 MARIANA: Oh, wow. 118 00:05:48,306 --> 00:05:53,311 A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a 119 00:05:53,311 --> 00:05:57,524 free state, to keep and bear arms. 120 00:05:57,524 --> 00:05:59,484 It's the Bill of Rights that's written here. 121 00:05:59,484 --> 00:06:00,819 Had you seen this? 122 00:06:00,819 --> 00:06:02,237 RYAN: No, I didn't see that. 123 00:06:02,237 --> 00:06:03,864 MARIANA: A little more poking around reveals that the 124 00:06:03,864 --> 00:06:07,784 machine is manufactured by "Defense Distributed," 125 00:06:07,784 --> 00:06:12,706 a company based 1,500 miles away in Austin, Texas. 126 00:06:13,415 --> 00:06:16,042 CODY: It's like a tradition of ours to put in little Easter eggs. 127 00:06:16,042 --> 00:06:19,129 So we just managed to fit the entire Bill of Rights on this 128 00:06:19,129 --> 00:06:20,505 LED board here. 129 00:06:20,505 --> 00:06:21,506 MARIANA: Really, all of it is here? 130 00:06:21,506 --> 00:06:23,091 CODY: Uh-hmm. 131 00:06:23,091 --> 00:06:24,467 You would never know that, you know, but that's just a little 132 00:06:24,467 --> 00:06:28,013 gift of love from us to you. 133 00:06:35,896 --> 00:06:37,814 MARIANA: This looks like a Star Wars gun almost. Right? 134 00:06:37,814 --> 00:06:39,816 CODY: This is, careful where you point that, but this is 135 00:06:39,816 --> 00:06:41,026 J Stark's FGC. 136 00:06:41,026 --> 00:06:42,444 MARIANA: Oh, this is the, sorry. 137 00:06:42,444 --> 00:06:44,195 CODY: Here's your barrel. Yeah. This is J Stark's FGC-9. 138 00:06:44,195 --> 00:06:45,280 This is the Mark II. 139 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:46,281 MARIANA: Oh. 140 00:06:49,284 --> 00:06:50,869 CODY: This is (bleep) Gun Control, nine millimeter. 141 00:06:50,869 --> 00:06:53,788 And almost everything you see here is actually just printed 142 00:06:53,788 --> 00:06:55,498 on a 3D printer. 143 00:06:55,498 --> 00:06:57,584 Anyone in the world should be able to make it if they have 144 00:06:57,584 --> 00:06:58,877 the right equipment. 145 00:06:58,877 --> 00:07:01,421 MARIANA: A decade ago, 3D-printed guns like this 146 00:07:01,421 --> 00:07:03,965 were the stuff of science fiction. 147 00:07:03,965 --> 00:07:06,009 CODY: When I see this gun, I see the fulfillment of the 148 00:07:06,009 --> 00:07:07,802 things that I was doing. 149 00:07:07,802 --> 00:07:09,179 MARIANA: So you're proud of it. 150 00:07:09,179 --> 00:07:10,972 CODY: I enjoy it. I love it. Yeah. 151 00:07:10,972 --> 00:07:13,767 It's, I look at it more like a child. 152 00:07:13,767 --> 00:07:16,269 MARIANA: The man I'm speaking with didn't invent this 153 00:07:16,269 --> 00:07:19,814 particular weapon, but he gave birth to the technology 154 00:07:19,814 --> 00:07:21,441 that made it possible. 155 00:07:21,441 --> 00:07:23,234 His name is... 156 00:07:23,234 --> 00:07:24,361 REPORTER (over TV): Cody Wilson. 157 00:07:24,361 --> 00:07:25,487 REPORTER 2 (over TV): Cody Wilson. 158 00:07:25,487 --> 00:07:27,864 REPORTER 3 (over TV): Cody Wilson. 159 00:07:27,864 --> 00:07:30,283 MARIANA: He's the director of Defense Distributed, 160 00:07:30,283 --> 00:07:33,203 one of the country's leading ghost gun manufacturers. 161 00:07:33,536 --> 00:07:36,081 CODY: If you can run a computer, you can run a ghost gun. 162 00:07:36,081 --> 00:07:38,667 MARIANA: Some say Cody is a gun rights activist. 163 00:07:38,667 --> 00:07:40,168 CODY: As long as you have the right to keep and bear arms, 164 00:07:40,168 --> 00:07:41,378 you have the right to make them. 165 00:07:41,378 --> 00:07:43,129 MARIANA: Others call him an anarchist. 166 00:07:43,129 --> 00:07:45,340 REPORTER (over TV): This is about weapons of war being made 167 00:07:45,340 --> 00:07:46,841 in people's living rooms. 168 00:07:46,841 --> 00:07:48,426 CODY: There would be nothing illegal about even felons or 169 00:07:48,426 --> 00:07:49,844 other people getting it. 170 00:07:49,844 --> 00:07:52,055 MARIANA: Wired magazine once labeled him one of 171 00:07:52,055 --> 00:07:55,308 "the 15 most dangerous people in the world." 172 00:07:55,308 --> 00:07:58,353 RICHARD: The new wave of American gun violence. 173 00:07:58,353 --> 00:08:01,189 MARIANA: That's because Cody Wilson was the first person to 174 00:08:01,189 --> 00:08:04,609 build a fully functional, 3D-printed firearm. 175 00:08:04,943 --> 00:08:06,236 CODY: I didn't know how to print a gun. 176 00:08:06,236 --> 00:08:07,487 I didn't know how to use a 3D printer. 177 00:08:07,487 --> 00:08:08,571 MARIANA: Uh-hmm. 178 00:08:08,571 --> 00:08:09,698 CODY: But I knew what I wanted to do. 179 00:08:09,698 --> 00:08:11,032 I wanted to make a Wiki Weapon. 180 00:08:11,032 --> 00:08:13,451 I wanted to, WikiLeaks for guns. 181 00:08:13,451 --> 00:08:15,578 MARIANA: Three-dimensional printers use raw materials 182 00:08:15,578 --> 00:08:20,458 like metal or plastic, depositing them layer after layer 183 00:08:20,458 --> 00:08:23,920 until they create a three-dimensional object. 184 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,215 Today's 3D printers can make just about anything, 185 00:08:27,215 --> 00:08:31,302 from medical prosthetics and children's toys, to furniture 186 00:08:31,302 --> 00:08:34,055 and, of course, firearms. 187 00:08:34,305 --> 00:08:37,559 Cody called his very first creation "The Liberator." 188 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,394 So this was one of the first, what? 189 00:08:39,394 --> 00:08:40,937 Five guns that you printed? 190 00:08:40,937 --> 00:08:42,439 CODY: I would say it's one of the first three Liberators. 191 00:08:42,439 --> 00:08:43,565 MARIANA: Oh, the first three. Wow. 192 00:08:43,565 --> 00:08:45,233 CODY: Ever printed... 193 00:08:45,233 --> 00:08:47,402 MARIANA: And did you, did you actually go out and shoot this one? 194 00:08:47,402 --> 00:08:48,111 CODY: Yeah. You can, in fact, you can still see the dust and the grime and the uh... 195 00:08:48,111 --> 00:08:49,696 MARIANA: You can. Yeah. 196 00:08:49,696 --> 00:08:51,406 CODY: The explosive pNwder burns. 197 00:08:51,406 --> 00:08:52,490 MARIANA: Uh-hmm. 198 00:08:52,490 --> 00:08:53,992 CODY: And this thing has been fired. 199 00:08:53,992 --> 00:08:57,662 MARIANA: In fact, in May of 2013, Cody posted a video of 200 00:08:57,662 --> 00:09:00,832 himself successfully test-firing the Liberator, 201 00:09:02,208 --> 00:09:05,378 then uploaded the gun's design onto the web, 202 00:09:05,378 --> 00:09:08,757 making it accessible to anyone online, 203 00:09:08,757 --> 00:09:11,926 including criminals and terrorists. 204 00:09:12,594 --> 00:09:16,306 It was downloaded nearly 100,000 times. 205 00:09:17,056 --> 00:09:18,308 Were you surprised? 206 00:09:18,308 --> 00:09:20,685 CODY: Yeah. I was like, "Wow. Okay." 207 00:09:20,685 --> 00:09:22,687 I'm, I'm thrown into this world just like you are now. 208 00:09:22,687 --> 00:09:24,689 We live in a world of 3D guns. 209 00:09:24,689 --> 00:09:28,693 MARIANA: It's a world the U.S. Government wasn't happy about, 210 00:09:28,693 --> 00:09:32,572 so they accused Cody of illegally trafficking weapons overseas. 211 00:09:33,323 --> 00:09:34,949 CODY: The fun thing of the law is there's a line. 212 00:09:34,949 --> 00:09:37,118 Before that line, this is a piece of metal. 213 00:09:37,118 --> 00:09:39,287 It might have a funny shape, but it means nothing. 214 00:09:39,287 --> 00:09:41,456 After this line, the ATF says this is a firearm. 215 00:09:41,456 --> 00:09:43,333 MARIANA: Uh-hmm. What do you think of that line? 216 00:09:43,333 --> 00:09:45,293 CODY: If the ATF wants to redraw the line. 217 00:09:45,293 --> 00:09:46,294 MARIANA: Uh-hmm. 218 00:09:46,294 --> 00:09:48,004 CODY: We'll redraw the line too. 219 00:09:48,004 --> 00:09:49,798 MARIANA: Cody sued the U.S. Government and 220 00:09:49,798 --> 00:09:51,925 they ultimately backed down. 221 00:09:51,925 --> 00:09:53,259 So your defense was, it's the right... 222 00:09:53,259 --> 00:09:55,303 CODY: Yeah. 223 00:09:55,303 --> 00:09:57,222 MARIANA: Of free speech to be able to put out this code that makes these guns. 224 00:09:57,222 --> 00:09:58,890 CODY: Uh-hmm. Yeah, exactly. 225 00:09:58,890 --> 00:10:01,810 It's a game. Why can't I play this game? 226 00:10:01,810 --> 00:10:03,895 MARIANA: Right now, the rules of the game say that 227 00:10:03,895 --> 00:10:06,606 any American company selling guns needs 228 00:10:06,606 --> 00:10:10,193 a Federal Firearms License or FFL. 229 00:10:10,193 --> 00:10:12,403 Ghost gun companies don't. 230 00:10:12,403 --> 00:10:15,532 Because they argue, they're not selling guns, 231 00:10:15,532 --> 00:10:17,450 they're selling parts. 232 00:10:17,450 --> 00:10:19,244 Online, I can buy all these parts from you? 233 00:10:19,244 --> 00:10:20,328 Everything? 234 00:10:20,328 --> 00:10:21,496 CODY: Everything you see. 235 00:10:21,496 --> 00:10:23,122 MARIANA: And then I can put it together? 236 00:10:23,122 --> 00:10:26,167 It all comes down to a surprisingly complicated question. 237 00:10:26,167 --> 00:10:29,003 What exactly is a gun? 238 00:10:30,839 --> 00:10:33,967 Every firearm is made up of multiple parts. 239 00:10:33,967 --> 00:10:37,679 Some parts are metal, others are plastic. 240 00:10:38,388 --> 00:10:40,265 But the U.S. Government doesn't regulate 241 00:10:40,265 --> 00:10:42,725 pieces of plastic and metal. 242 00:10:42,725 --> 00:10:45,603 CODY: Who, who can determine, and by what means, 243 00:10:45,603 --> 00:10:47,230 when a piece of metal is a gun, 244 00:10:47,230 --> 00:10:49,107 is more like a gun than not a gun, right? 245 00:10:49,107 --> 00:10:51,234 So a bureaucrat looks at a gun and says, this is when this 246 00:10:51,234 --> 00:10:52,277 becomes a gun. 247 00:10:52,277 --> 00:10:53,695 This is when this becomes a gun. 248 00:10:53,695 --> 00:10:55,905 And these things have no real relation to each other. 249 00:10:55,905 --> 00:10:58,199 MARIANA: For the moment, federal law has decided that 250 00:10:58,199 --> 00:11:01,703 the firearm frame, or lower receiver, is in fact what 251 00:11:01,703 --> 00:11:03,496 makes a gun. 252 00:11:03,496 --> 00:11:06,499 And once a series of holes are drilled into the frame, 253 00:11:06,499 --> 00:11:10,128 it becomes a working firearm and worthy of regulation. 254 00:11:10,128 --> 00:11:12,463 That's how ghost gun companies get away with selling 255 00:11:12,463 --> 00:11:16,801 incomplete, 80% kits because there's still some at-home 256 00:11:16,801 --> 00:11:18,678 assembly required. 257 00:11:18,678 --> 00:11:21,306 We've spoken to a lot of police departments around the country and... 258 00:11:21,306 --> 00:11:22,849 CODY: Yeah. 259 00:11:22,849 --> 00:11:23,558 MARIANA: We know that there are a lot more of ghost guns. 260 00:11:23,558 --> 00:11:24,642 CODY: Yeah. 261 00:11:24,642 --> 00:11:26,561 MARIANA: Showing up in crime scenes. 262 00:11:26,561 --> 00:11:27,854 REPORTER (over TV): The epidemic of gun violence gripping America. 263 00:11:27,854 --> 00:11:29,355 REPORTER (over TV): He built this gun. 264 00:11:29,355 --> 00:11:31,274 REPORTER (over TV): Last year, more than 20,000 people were 265 00:11:31,274 --> 00:11:34,027 killed by a firearm in the United States. 266 00:11:34,027 --> 00:11:36,112 MARIANA: How do you feel about that? 267 00:11:36,112 --> 00:11:39,282 CODY: I'm happy that these police are, you know, I don't know what, finding work. 268 00:11:39,282 --> 00:11:41,075 Be a detective. Do your job. 269 00:11:41,075 --> 00:11:43,453 All right? How is this my problem? 270 00:11:50,126 --> 00:11:54,714 ♪ ♪ 271 00:11:57,175 --> 00:11:58,885 CODY: This is how you buy, like, a whole Glock. 272 00:11:58,885 --> 00:12:02,055 But what we do ahead of time is, you know, we chop it up. 273 00:12:02,055 --> 00:12:04,599 We make sure that the regulated part is no longer 274 00:12:04,599 --> 00:12:05,808 in the package. 275 00:12:05,808 --> 00:12:07,769 MARIANA: So, the lower receiver isn't here. 276 00:12:07,769 --> 00:12:09,938 CODY: You, you know, you've got one, your one step removed. 277 00:12:09,938 --> 00:12:11,314 Your lower is on a USB. 278 00:12:11,314 --> 00:12:14,150 MARIANA: Wow. CODY: Think about it. 279 00:12:14,150 --> 00:12:17,403 MARIANA: All right. That, this is so crazy to me. 280 00:12:17,403 --> 00:12:19,614 So, you buy this, you've got all the parts you need. 281 00:12:19,614 --> 00:12:21,699 CODY: Yeah. 282 00:12:21,699 --> 00:12:22,825 MARIANA: Except for the lower receiver which, usually, it's the registered part. 283 00:12:22,825 --> 00:12:24,202 CODY: Yeah, yeah. MARIANA: But guess what? 284 00:12:24,202 --> 00:12:25,912 CODY: Yeah. 285 00:12:25,912 --> 00:12:29,415 MARIANA: You have a USB that will teach you how to make a gun. 286 00:12:29,415 --> 00:12:31,834 I'm trying to understand how ghost guns are making their 287 00:12:31,834 --> 00:12:34,254 way into the hands of criminals. 288 00:12:34,254 --> 00:12:37,757 And there's no better person to ask than Cody Wilson. 289 00:12:38,383 --> 00:12:41,135 The man who gave birth to the ghost gun industry. 290 00:12:41,511 --> 00:12:42,762 So, if the federal government, 291 00:12:42,762 --> 00:12:44,305 if the authorities were to open this. 292 00:12:44,305 --> 00:12:45,682 CODY: Yeah. 293 00:12:45,682 --> 00:12:47,141 MARIANA: They, everything is legal here right now. 294 00:12:47,141 --> 00:12:48,977 CODY: I don't see a gun in here. I don't see a gun, sorry. 295 00:12:48,977 --> 00:12:51,521 Nothing in here looks regulated to me. 296 00:12:51,521 --> 00:12:53,398 MARIANA: So it's a way of trying to skirt the law? 297 00:12:53,398 --> 00:12:56,776 CODY: I think it's, you know, more, it's more grand than that, right? 298 00:12:56,776 --> 00:12:58,069 MARIANA: Uh-hmm. 299 00:12:58,069 --> 00:13:00,405 CODY: It's a way of making the law pointless. 300 00:13:00,405 --> 00:13:02,365 This changes the balance of power between the state and 301 00:13:02,365 --> 00:13:03,992 between the individual. 302 00:13:03,992 --> 00:13:06,035 Cheap available guns. Downloadable guns. 303 00:13:06,035 --> 00:13:08,871 3D-printed guns. Guns with no serial numbers. 304 00:13:08,871 --> 00:13:10,999 This is a world you will have to live in. 305 00:13:10,999 --> 00:13:13,501 You know, like, there's no going back. 306 00:13:13,501 --> 00:13:16,546 MARIANA: Cody Wilson calls himself a crypto-anarchist. 307 00:13:16,546 --> 00:13:20,133 His ideological inspiration is WikiLeaks founder and 308 00:13:20,133 --> 00:13:23,177 free speech radical, Julian Assange. 309 00:13:23,177 --> 00:13:26,848 Of course, Cody's focus isn't speech, it's guns. 310 00:13:27,348 --> 00:13:30,852 He advocates for immunity from any government oversight. 311 00:13:30,852 --> 00:13:33,938 But would a world without meaningful gun laws 312 00:13:33,938 --> 00:13:37,984 increase freedom or just fuel anarchy? 313 00:13:37,984 --> 00:13:40,361 How do you feel about the fact that ghost guns are being used 314 00:13:40,361 --> 00:13:42,155 to commit crimes, to kill innocent people? 315 00:13:42,155 --> 00:13:43,865 CODY: Guns kill people. 316 00:13:43,865 --> 00:13:46,451 You know, this is what makes them effective, politically interesting. 317 00:13:46,451 --> 00:13:49,245 MARIANA: Right. But there's a reason why they're using ghost guns, right? 318 00:13:49,245 --> 00:13:50,788 Because they are untraceable, 319 00:13:50,788 --> 00:13:52,040 because they're easy, they're easy. 320 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:53,875 CODY: Oh, look, I agree. 321 00:13:53,875 --> 00:13:54,417 MARIANA: You can make, you still haven't answered my question though. 322 00:13:54,417 --> 00:13:55,918 How do you feel? 323 00:13:55,918 --> 00:13:57,462 CODY: Excited, empowered. 324 00:13:57,462 --> 00:14:00,423 Right? Capable of delivering more damage. 325 00:14:00,423 --> 00:14:02,925 I think I'll be a bigger problem to the government and 326 00:14:02,925 --> 00:14:05,595 I think, you know, that's what I've always been trying to be. 327 00:14:05,595 --> 00:14:06,846 MARIANA: I think a lot of people would find that 328 00:14:06,846 --> 00:14:08,347 incredibly dangerous, as I'm sure you know. 329 00:14:08,347 --> 00:14:09,515 CODY: Yeah, well, I'm an American. 330 00:14:09,515 --> 00:14:12,935 You know? Move to Finland. 331 00:14:14,270 --> 00:14:20,943 ♪ ♪ 332 00:14:22,612 --> 00:14:26,074 ♪ It hurts to be told ♪ 333 00:14:26,074 --> 00:14:29,368 ♪ When you're not very old ♪ 334 00:14:29,368 --> 00:14:34,999 ♪ That you're an outlaw's son ♪ 335 00:14:35,458 --> 00:14:40,088 ♪ And that you're the son of a gun ♪ 336 00:14:48,596 --> 00:14:50,723 MARIANA: It's already incredibly easy to get a gun 337 00:14:50,723 --> 00:14:52,642 in the U.S. 338 00:14:52,642 --> 00:14:57,313 So I want to understand who's buying ghost guns and why. 339 00:15:08,699 --> 00:15:13,913 ♪ ♪ 340 00:15:14,413 --> 00:15:16,332 Wow, that's a lot of weapons, huh? 341 00:15:21,337 --> 00:15:22,380 MARIANA: Can I hold it? 342 00:15:23,256 --> 00:15:25,216 MARIANA: It's, oh wow. 343 00:15:25,216 --> 00:15:26,551 So it's all, it's 3D-printed, what part of it's, it's the lower receiver? 344 00:15:28,219 --> 00:15:29,720 MARIANA: Do you have a machine, the 3D printer? 345 00:15:31,055 --> 00:15:32,682 MARIANA: And then the rest is just parts that you bought. 346 00:15:35,017 --> 00:15:37,603 MARIANA: My contact tells me to call him "Dutch." 347 00:15:38,062 --> 00:15:41,065 He says he built this AR-15 assault rifle from an 348 00:15:41,065 --> 00:15:43,776 80% parts kit he ordered online, 349 00:15:43,776 --> 00:15:46,237 just like the kits Cody Wilson sells. 350 00:15:46,237 --> 00:15:51,617 (gunshots) 351 00:15:53,911 --> 00:15:56,622 Do they ask you any questions when you're ordering this stuff online? 352 00:16:00,376 --> 00:16:01,627 MARIANA: That's it? DUTCH: Yup. 353 00:16:01,627 --> 00:16:02,795 MARIANA: How many guns do you own? 354 00:16:05,590 --> 00:16:07,717 MARIANA: And how many of them are ghost guns? 355 00:16:09,510 --> 00:16:12,680 MARIANA: That's because Dutch can't buy a traditional firearm. 356 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:13,931 Why can't you buy it? 357 00:16:22,315 --> 00:16:24,650 MARIANA: Dutch and his friends aren't criminals, 358 00:16:24,650 --> 00:16:27,695 they're kids, teenagers actually. 359 00:16:27,695 --> 00:16:31,407 But because IDs aren't required to order ghost guns, 360 00:16:31,407 --> 00:16:34,619 the companies don't know, or don't care, if they're helping 361 00:16:34,619 --> 00:16:38,289 underage customers acquire an arsenal like this. 362 00:16:54,722 --> 00:16:57,016 MARIANA: Dutch is right. 363 00:16:58,309 --> 00:17:02,772 I've been reporting on black markets for more than 15 years 364 00:17:02,772 --> 00:17:06,943 and guns are a lucrative commodity to the criminal underworld. 365 00:17:06,943 --> 00:17:10,821 Every day they're bought, sold, and smuggled throughout 366 00:17:10,821 --> 00:17:13,741 the United States and around the world. 367 00:17:14,951 --> 00:17:18,871 Now that ghost guns can be ordered online and 3D-printed at home, 368 00:17:18,871 --> 00:17:23,459 I suspect someone, somewhere is taking advantage of this. 369 00:17:23,459 --> 00:17:25,336 So it's almost 9:00 PM. 370 00:17:25,336 --> 00:17:27,421 We're heading to meet one of our contacts. 371 00:17:27,421 --> 00:17:31,300 He's an American, lives here in LA, but is part of a Mexican cartel. 372 00:17:31,300 --> 00:17:35,054 His group has been dealing more and more in, in ghost guns. 373 00:17:35,054 --> 00:17:38,432 Apparently, they're receiving some sort of shipment tonight. 374 00:17:38,432 --> 00:17:41,727 So he's allowed us to come and talk to him and 375 00:17:41,727 --> 00:17:44,313 possibly film part of his operation. 376 00:17:56,242 --> 00:17:58,119 MARIANA: So all of the parts in this gun were ordered from 377 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,037 online websites, completely legal? 378 00:18:03,833 --> 00:18:05,710 MARIANA: I've seen a lot of things in my career, 379 00:18:05,710 --> 00:18:07,461 but this is a first. 380 00:18:07,461 --> 00:18:10,881 Watching two gang members assemble an arsenal by simply 381 00:18:10,881 --> 00:18:14,010 ordering the parts online, grabbing a few tools, 382 00:18:14,010 --> 00:18:16,596 and following the instructions. 383 00:18:16,596 --> 00:18:18,764 So this is a completely untraceable gun? 384 00:18:18,764 --> 00:18:21,183 If you find this on the streets, there's no way that 385 00:18:21,183 --> 00:18:22,893 somebody's going to find out where it came from? 386 00:18:30,610 --> 00:18:33,487 MARIANA: Well, maybe not everybody, but Tiny and Flaco 387 00:18:33,487 --> 00:18:35,865 are members of the Surenos, 388 00:18:35,865 --> 00:18:38,367 a violent Latin-American street gang 389 00:18:38,367 --> 00:18:41,912 whose stronghold is in Southern California. 390 00:18:42,622 --> 00:18:45,333 To arm their gang, they used to have to buy guns from 391 00:18:45,333 --> 00:18:49,962 private sellers or straight up steal them, 392 00:18:49,962 --> 00:18:52,798 but none of the guns I'm looking at tonight are stolen. 393 00:18:52,798 --> 00:18:55,009 How often are you selling guns? 394 00:19:00,473 --> 00:19:03,267 MARIANA: And so, now what happens to these guns? 395 00:19:06,145 --> 00:19:08,230 MARIANA: Oh, there's a buyer on his way right now? 396 00:19:28,376 --> 00:19:30,795 MARIANA: The buyer is eager to see the merchandise, 397 00:19:30,795 --> 00:19:33,381 but less than thrilled about our presence. 398 00:19:46,519 --> 00:19:50,773 ♪ ♪ 399 00:20:04,620 --> 00:20:06,914 MARIANA: Just miles from my home in Los Angeles, 400 00:20:06,914 --> 00:20:09,250 I'm watching a ghost gun deal go down. 401 00:20:13,921 --> 00:20:16,132 MARIANA: Because these guns don't have serial numbers and 402 00:20:16,132 --> 00:20:21,137 are effectively untraceable, the buyer pays $3,000. 403 00:20:21,137 --> 00:20:24,181 That's three times what similar guns would cost 404 00:20:24,181 --> 00:20:26,475 at a legal firearms store. 405 00:20:43,242 --> 00:20:49,874 (rapping in Spanish). 406 00:20:51,208 --> 00:20:54,420 MARIANA: Do you worry about what ends up happening with these guns? 407 00:20:54,420 --> 00:20:55,629 I mean... 408 00:21:03,471 --> 00:21:06,265 MARIANA: It's a game I'm only beginning to understand. 409 00:21:08,851 --> 00:21:13,772 The following day, Flaco tells me to meet him 100 miles outside the city. 410 00:21:24,867 --> 00:21:27,828 I find him waiting for me in a stolen pickup truck, 411 00:21:27,828 --> 00:21:30,873 with another Sureno he calls "Problem." 412 00:21:32,208 --> 00:21:35,127 But the most explosive intel he shares is that the buyers 413 00:21:35,127 --> 00:21:38,798 I saw last night are in police custody. 414 00:21:39,215 --> 00:21:40,883 Oh, my. 415 00:21:40,883 --> 00:21:42,343 So they used, they used the guns? 416 00:21:42,343 --> 00:21:43,928 Basically, they shot at other people with those guns? 417 00:21:44,637 --> 00:21:45,846 MARIANA: And they were arrested? 418 00:21:47,097 --> 00:21:49,517 MARIANA: Didn't you guys get concerned that that might lead back to you guys? 419 00:21:49,517 --> 00:21:50,518 FLACO: No. 420 00:21:58,526 --> 00:22:01,820 MARIANA: And do you know, did anyone get hurt? 421 00:22:01,820 --> 00:22:05,241 I mean, if he got in trouble, it's because he probably 422 00:22:05,241 --> 00:22:06,742 either injured or killed somebody. 423 00:22:09,370 --> 00:22:10,788 MARIANA: Would you sell him a gun again? 424 00:22:17,461 --> 00:22:20,965 MARIANA: Flaco tells me the demand for his products are skyrocketing. 425 00:22:20,965 --> 00:22:24,385 In fact, he's out here in the middle of nowhere for a very 426 00:22:24,385 --> 00:22:27,346 specific reason, quality control. 427 00:22:27,346 --> 00:22:28,347 (gunshot) 428 00:22:35,229 --> 00:22:38,190 MARIANA: Flaco reminds me that in his world, if a weapon 429 00:22:38,190 --> 00:22:40,860 doesn't work as advertised, the buyer is going to come 430 00:22:40,860 --> 00:22:44,697 looking for the seller and he's going to be pissed. 431 00:22:46,073 --> 00:22:47,658 I mean, I know this is the middle of the desert, 432 00:22:47,658 --> 00:22:50,202 but there's also a lot of people around shooting their own guns. 433 00:22:50,202 --> 00:22:51,662 FLACO: Uh-hmm. 434 00:22:51,662 --> 00:22:53,581 MARIANA: This is not somewhere that makes you nervous? 435 00:22:55,457 --> 00:22:59,962 MARIANA: They're right, the canyon is crawling with legal gun owners. 436 00:23:01,755 --> 00:23:05,092 These two gangsters are hiding in plain sight. 437 00:23:05,926 --> 00:23:09,513 But they're not shooting for fun, like Dutch and his buddies. 438 00:23:10,014 --> 00:23:12,266 They're making sure these weapons are primed for 439 00:23:12,266 --> 00:23:14,643 future gang hits. 440 00:23:15,102 --> 00:23:17,605 (gunshots) 441 00:23:24,528 --> 00:23:26,488 MARIANA: In your guy's case, running a business. 442 00:23:26,488 --> 00:23:28,407 (gunshots) 443 00:23:28,407 --> 00:23:30,618 An illegal business in this case. 444 00:23:36,332 --> 00:23:39,710 MARIANA: Getting caught isn't something these two worry about. 445 00:23:41,545 --> 00:23:44,465 They already have buyers waiting for them in the city. 446 00:23:45,883 --> 00:23:47,259 ♪ Oh! ♪ 447 00:23:47,259 --> 00:23:49,845 ♪ I got to make me a gun ♪ 448 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,932 MARIANA: It's hard for me to imagine ghost guns aren't 449 00:23:53,932 --> 00:23:56,894 having an impact in America's rising gun violence. 450 00:23:58,479 --> 00:24:02,858 The industry is ripe for exploitation, but a true 451 00:24:02,858 --> 00:24:07,196 black market isn't built on backyard operations. 452 00:24:08,864 --> 00:24:11,617 You need to scale up. 453 00:24:12,076 --> 00:24:15,245 ♪ Hit me, not for fun, I got to make me a gun ♪ 454 00:24:15,913 --> 00:24:19,583 ♪ Clearly not for fun, I got to make me a gun ♪ 455 00:24:19,583 --> 00:24:22,002 MARIANA: And I've heard rumors that something much bigger is 456 00:24:22,002 --> 00:24:25,964 taking place right here, in the Rocky Mountains. 457 00:24:32,471 --> 00:24:33,889 When I started looking into this story. 458 00:24:33,889 --> 00:24:37,184 I didn't ever imagine that I would end up in Denver. 459 00:24:37,184 --> 00:24:40,020 It's not a place that you think of when you think of 460 00:24:40,020 --> 00:24:42,356 guns or gangs. 461 00:24:42,356 --> 00:24:45,651 But it might be the center of an interstate pipeline that 462 00:24:45,651 --> 00:24:51,073 proves ghosts guns are the future of American gun trafficking. 463 00:24:58,372 --> 00:25:00,708 ♪ ♪ 464 00:25:01,375 --> 00:25:04,837 MARIANA: So quite the setup you have here. 465 00:25:05,254 --> 00:25:08,090 And who, these guys all work with you? 466 00:25:14,054 --> 00:25:16,890 MARIANA: Denver isn't my usual beat, so I had some colleagues 467 00:25:16,890 --> 00:25:18,934 connect me with this man. 468 00:25:18,934 --> 00:25:22,730 By day, he's the owner of a retail store that sells toys, 469 00:25:22,730 --> 00:25:25,774 T-shirts and custom sneakers, 470 00:25:25,774 --> 00:25:28,444 but at night, he runs a black market business 471 00:25:28,444 --> 00:25:30,779 out of the back office. 472 00:25:30,779 --> 00:25:34,491 As for the other men in the room, I'm not so sure. 473 00:25:37,286 --> 00:25:38,287 MARIANA: Uh-hmm. 474 00:25:43,709 --> 00:25:45,044 MARIANA: A silencer kit? 475 00:25:46,420 --> 00:25:47,671 MARIANA: Holy moly. 476 00:25:54,386 --> 00:25:55,929 MARIANA: And this is completely illegal. 477 00:25:57,598 --> 00:25:59,058 MARIANA: How did you come up with this idea? 478 00:26:03,562 --> 00:26:06,482 MARIANA: That reason is guns. 479 00:26:07,816 --> 00:26:09,943 Getting a ghost gun is easy, 480 00:26:09,943 --> 00:26:13,072 but not as easy as I've been led to believe. 481 00:26:15,032 --> 00:26:18,410 California has some of the country's most restrictive gun laws. 482 00:26:18,827 --> 00:26:22,122 There's all kinds of hardware that ghost gun companies can't 483 00:26:22,122 --> 00:26:26,835 ship into the States, but I saw those outlawed parts in action. 484 00:26:27,127 --> 00:26:29,088 (gunshots) 485 00:26:29,088 --> 00:26:32,424 Colorado's laws are looser, and I suspect criminals are 486 00:26:32,424 --> 00:26:37,179 using Denver as a kind of way station or weapons depot, 487 00:26:37,179 --> 00:26:40,557 the nexus of a larger pipeline. 488 00:26:40,849 --> 00:26:43,310 And who's buying this, this from you? 489 00:26:44,937 --> 00:26:46,730 Have you sold to criminals? 490 00:26:55,489 --> 00:26:57,533 MARIANA: I love how you're going, you're going in circles 491 00:26:57,533 --> 00:27:00,911 and not wanting to tell me about what the business is. 492 00:27:00,911 --> 00:27:05,749 My contacts may be connected to the pipeline I'm searching for, 493 00:27:05,749 --> 00:27:07,918 but with some black market operators, 494 00:27:07,918 --> 00:27:10,546 if you push too far, they clam up. 495 00:27:20,347 --> 00:27:24,643 MARIANA: My line of work takes trust, but here, 496 00:27:24,643 --> 00:27:28,021 I'm a stranger in a strange town. 497 00:27:30,732 --> 00:27:34,152 I reach back out to my colleagues for another way in. 498 00:27:37,948 --> 00:27:40,158 Apparently, he's waiting for us on the side of the road 499 00:27:40,158 --> 00:27:42,327 somewhere here. 500 00:27:42,327 --> 00:27:44,663 Yeah, he says he's here already. 501 00:27:44,663 --> 00:27:46,164 Do you guys see him? 502 00:27:46,164 --> 00:27:48,542 I don't see anyone. 503 00:27:48,542 --> 00:27:50,335 Oh, I think it's him right here. 504 00:27:50,335 --> 00:27:51,837 Yeah. 505 00:27:51,837 --> 00:27:54,506 I think this is him. 506 00:27:56,258 --> 00:27:57,342 Hi. 507 00:27:57,342 --> 00:27:58,760 ABEL: Hello. MARIANA: How are you? 508 00:27:58,760 --> 00:27:59,970 ABEL: How are you? 509 00:27:59,970 --> 00:28:01,263 MARIANA: So nice to finally meet you. 510 00:28:01,263 --> 00:28:03,599 ABEL: Yeah. How you doing? 511 00:28:06,727 --> 00:28:13,191 ♪ ♪ 512 00:28:17,738 --> 00:28:19,740 MARIANA: Who are we meeting tonight? 513 00:28:19,740 --> 00:28:22,367 ABEL: We're going to go meet a couple of my homies. 514 00:28:22,367 --> 00:28:24,369 This is what they do. 515 00:28:24,369 --> 00:28:26,747 He has customers that will blow your mind. 516 00:28:26,747 --> 00:28:28,916 MARIANA: Really? 517 00:28:28,916 --> 00:28:30,667 His name is Abel. 518 00:28:30,667 --> 00:28:34,421 Back in Miami, he was a gang member who ran with a violent crew. 519 00:28:35,088 --> 00:28:39,092 After spending several years in jail, Abel moved to Denver, 520 00:28:39,092 --> 00:28:42,471 hoping to leave his criminal past behind, 521 00:28:42,471 --> 00:28:46,391 but his connections to the black market remain strong. 522 00:28:46,391 --> 00:28:51,063 And tonight, he's taking me to meet a gun trafficker. 523 00:28:51,063 --> 00:28:53,023 ABEL: Him and his brother, they're Surenos. 524 00:28:53,023 --> 00:28:54,900 MARIANA: Oh, he's a Sureno? 525 00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:56,693 ABEL: Yeah. 526 00:28:56,693 --> 00:28:59,237 MARIANA: So that's a Mexican cartel, basically? 527 00:28:59,237 --> 00:29:00,781 ABEL: Yeah, yeah. 528 00:29:00,781 --> 00:29:02,616 MARIANA: That operates. ABEL: Everywhere. 529 00:29:02,616 --> 00:29:04,076 MARIANA: Heavily here in the U.S., as well. 530 00:29:04,076 --> 00:29:05,619 ABEL: Yeah. 531 00:29:05,619 --> 00:29:07,746 MARIANA: Though the Surenos have their strongest presence 532 00:29:07,746 --> 00:29:10,832 in Southern California, the gang is believed to have some 533 00:29:10,832 --> 00:29:14,795 30,000 members spread across 35 states. 534 00:29:15,128 --> 00:29:17,255 Are the Surenos big in Denver right now? 535 00:29:17,255 --> 00:29:19,633 ABEL: From what I see, yeah. 536 00:29:20,509 --> 00:29:22,219 MARIANA: And why is it? 537 00:29:22,219 --> 00:29:25,347 Why do you think there's such a demand for, for these guns? 538 00:29:25,347 --> 00:29:27,224 ABEL: Because people do a lot of dumb (bleep). 539 00:29:27,224 --> 00:29:30,644 And nobody wants to be held accountable for that. 540 00:29:37,150 --> 00:29:38,610 MARIANA: Is that him? 541 00:29:38,610 --> 00:29:42,239 ABEL: Yup. That's him. 542 00:29:42,239 --> 00:29:44,491 MARIANA: Okay. That's our guy. 543 00:29:44,491 --> 00:29:46,076 It's okay to get out? 544 00:29:46,076 --> 00:29:48,203 ABEL: Yeah, yeah. Let's go. 545 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,918 MARIANA: Abel's contact asked me to call him "Johnny". 546 00:29:54,918 --> 00:29:56,336 JOHNNY: Yo. 547 00:29:56,336 --> 00:29:58,213 MARIANA: And confirms that he is, in fact, a Sureno. 548 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:21,737 MARIANA: Do you mind putting the gun down? 549 00:30:21,737 --> 00:30:23,613 Only because we're, it's making me really nervous. 550 00:30:24,489 --> 00:30:26,742 MARIANA: With the light and people passing but you're not. 551 00:30:26,742 --> 00:30:28,243 JOHNNY: Yeah, you're good. MARIANA: You're okay here? 552 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,039 MARIANA: I don't know. 553 00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:34,291 We're under an underpass with cars passing, and I'm getting super nervous. 554 00:30:34,291 --> 00:30:35,917 JOHNNY: Yeah. For sure. 555 00:30:38,795 --> 00:30:40,213 MARIANA: So this is all 3D. 556 00:30:40,213 --> 00:30:41,256 JOHNNY: The plastic, yeah. Everything. 557 00:30:41,256 --> 00:30:42,549 MARIANA: This is all plastic? 558 00:30:44,551 --> 00:30:46,720 MARIANA: Oh, wow. Doesn't look plastic at all. 559 00:30:51,224 --> 00:30:52,434 MARIANA: Can I hold it? 560 00:30:55,687 --> 00:30:58,106 MARIANA: Wow. So this is an AR? 561 00:31:08,867 --> 00:31:10,368 MARIANA: Really, the shotguns is what every. 562 00:31:11,661 --> 00:31:14,289 MARIANA: Johnny and his brother print these shotguns 563 00:31:14,289 --> 00:31:17,959 for 200 to 300 bucks, then they sell them for roughly a grand. 564 00:31:18,543 --> 00:31:22,047 They use a 3D printer and order the other parts via 565 00:31:22,047 --> 00:31:25,926 80% build kits, just like Dutch and his buddies. 566 00:31:28,303 --> 00:31:31,306 And even though Johnny is an ex-con who isn't legally 567 00:31:31,306 --> 00:31:33,558 permitted to own firearms, 568 00:31:33,558 --> 00:31:37,646 the laws around ghost guns are so easy to outsmart, 569 00:31:38,939 --> 00:31:42,818 that Johnny now prints three to four guns every couple days. 570 00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:46,613 And where do you get, like, the, the, the drawings for 571 00:31:46,613 --> 00:31:48,573 the, what to print? 572 00:31:48,573 --> 00:31:51,493 Where do you think Johnny gets them from? 573 00:31:51,493 --> 00:31:54,579 From Cody Wilson's company, Defense Distributed. 574 00:32:06,508 --> 00:32:12,889 ♪ ♪ 575 00:32:16,017 --> 00:32:18,687 MARIANA: Why do you think these guns are so popular? 576 00:32:34,411 --> 00:32:38,373 MARIANA: Do you think that the guns you're selling are being used to kill? 577 00:32:38,373 --> 00:32:39,749 JOHNNY: Yeah. 578 00:32:43,879 --> 00:32:47,215 MARIANA: These guns aren't "ending up" in the wrong hands. 579 00:32:47,215 --> 00:32:52,387 Those hands are reaching out to Johnny and he's eagerly supplying them. 580 00:32:54,222 --> 00:32:55,223 MARIANA: You don't? 581 00:32:55,223 --> 00:32:56,600 MARIANA: Why not? 582 00:33:00,437 --> 00:33:03,982 MARIANA: Johnny isn't just a gun trafficker, he's a gangster. 583 00:33:04,649 --> 00:33:06,818 He was born into the Surenos. 584 00:33:06,818 --> 00:33:10,113 His family has been a part of the gang for generations. 585 00:33:10,488 --> 00:33:14,075 But I'm surprised to discover Johnny actually grew up in LA, 586 00:33:14,075 --> 00:33:18,163 mere miles from where I saw Flaco's operation. 587 00:33:18,163 --> 00:33:22,000 So this is a weird question, but we actually, I know a group 588 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,127 that I was filming with last week in LA, 589 00:33:24,127 --> 00:33:29,132 that coincidentally came to Denver to buy ghost guns. 590 00:33:29,132 --> 00:33:32,469 This group, they're called the (bleep). 591 00:33:33,011 --> 00:33:35,764 After talking to Johnny for a while, I had a hunch that 592 00:33:35,764 --> 00:33:38,516 maybe he knew Tiny and Flaco. 593 00:33:38,516 --> 00:33:42,103 And when I ask, he tells me not only does he know them, 594 00:33:42,103 --> 00:33:44,522 he, in fact, does business with them. 595 00:33:44,522 --> 00:33:45,565 So they buy guns from you guys? 596 00:33:49,402 --> 00:33:51,404 MARIANA: Wow, that's crazy. 597 00:33:52,697 --> 00:33:53,949 MARIANA: Yeah. It's a small world. 598 00:33:53,949 --> 00:33:55,992 I can't believe that. 599 00:33:55,992 --> 00:33:57,202 So I guess you guys are the people to buy guns from if you're coming to Denver? 600 00:34:00,580 --> 00:34:03,792 MARIANA: I'm genuinely shocked by this trafficking pipeline, 601 00:34:03,792 --> 00:34:08,129 one that connects the Rocky Mountains to Downtown Los Angeles, 602 00:34:08,129 --> 00:34:12,259 arming gang members all along the way. 603 00:34:12,259 --> 00:34:14,719 Johnny says his printing operation goes even further 604 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,098 than that, supplying ghost guns to the Midwest and 605 00:34:18,098 --> 00:34:21,184 even to Mexico's cartels. 606 00:34:21,184 --> 00:34:26,606 What about groups, scarier groups than gangs, even. 607 00:34:26,606 --> 00:34:27,983 Like what about, have you? 608 00:34:29,484 --> 00:34:30,860 MARIANA: Yeah, yeah. 609 00:34:30,860 --> 00:34:32,070 Actually, I wasn't going to ask that, but have you? 610 00:34:41,371 --> 00:34:42,497 MARIANA: Wow! JOHNNY: Yeah. 611 00:34:46,167 --> 00:34:47,877 MARIANA: It's a frightening admission. 612 00:34:47,877 --> 00:34:52,799 One that dovetails perfectly with something Cody Wilson said. 613 00:34:53,049 --> 00:34:55,176 And who are your, who are your customers? 614 00:34:55,176 --> 00:34:56,636 Who's buying this stuff? 615 00:34:56,636 --> 00:34:58,179 CODY: It's always hard to characterize them, but they 616 00:34:58,179 --> 00:35:00,640 skew older men, decent technical experience, 617 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,226 maybe there's some military experience, but in general, 618 00:35:03,226 --> 00:35:06,229 that, that sweet spot of that January 6th rioter, probably. 619 00:35:06,229 --> 00:35:08,440 You know, someone like that. 620 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,359 (shouting) 621 00:35:13,111 --> 00:35:15,780 MARIANA: It's clear to me now that the entire ghost gun 622 00:35:15,780 --> 00:35:20,160 industry is helping create a violent black market, 623 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,705 one that may be spreading beyond the streets. 624 00:35:26,541 --> 00:35:30,920 (gunshots) 625 00:35:41,890 --> 00:35:44,267 MARIANA: The number of attacks by anti-government groups are 626 00:35:44,267 --> 00:35:47,020 at the highest they've been in decades. 627 00:35:47,020 --> 00:35:48,813 DUNCAN: Go. 628 00:35:48,813 --> 00:35:51,524 MARIANA: Today, there are some 500 of them in the United States. 629 00:35:51,524 --> 00:35:54,903 With thousands of members. 630 00:35:54,903 --> 00:35:55,904 DUNCAN: Set! 631 00:35:55,904 --> 00:35:57,113 (gunshot) 632 00:35:57,113 --> 00:35:58,907 MARIANA: The ones I've arranged to meet tonight 633 00:35:58,907 --> 00:36:02,160 belong to the Boogaloo Bois. 634 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,204 And what is it about the government that you don't agree with? 635 00:36:08,291 --> 00:36:11,961 MARIANA: The Boogaloo movement started online in 2010 as a 636 00:36:11,961 --> 00:36:15,882 loose collection of extreme voices preparing for a second 637 00:36:15,882 --> 00:36:19,678 civil war, what they nicknamed "The Boogaloo." 638 00:36:20,553 --> 00:36:24,474 But by 2020, members took their outrage offline and 639 00:36:24,474 --> 00:36:27,811 onto the streets, showing up armed and wearing bright 640 00:36:27,811 --> 00:36:31,940 Hawaiian shirts at various protests across the country. 641 00:36:32,357 --> 00:36:34,401 EXPERT (over computer): They bring guns, they don't like the police, 642 00:36:34,401 --> 00:36:36,069 and they're attracted to chaos. 643 00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:38,071 MARIANA: Violence wasn't far behind. 644 00:36:38,071 --> 00:36:39,739 REPORTER (over TV): A self-avowed Boogaloo member. 645 00:36:39,739 --> 00:36:41,241 REPORTER (over TV): Fired what's called a ghost gun. 646 00:36:41,241 --> 00:36:43,576 REPORTER (over TV): Connected to the deaths of two officers. 647 00:36:43,576 --> 00:36:45,620 MAN (over TV): They came to Oakland to kill cops. 648 00:36:45,620 --> 00:36:48,164 REPORTER (over TV): A plan to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer. 649 00:36:49,791 --> 00:36:51,710 MARIANA: Is there a point that you guys see that you'll need 650 00:36:51,710 --> 00:36:55,255 to use your guns against the government and the police? 651 00:37:04,389 --> 00:37:05,724 MARIANA: Are you serious? 652 00:37:08,101 --> 00:37:11,604 MARIANA: So, as an American citizen myself, and being at 653 00:37:11,604 --> 00:37:14,149 home that day, and watching the news, and seeing people 654 00:37:14,149 --> 00:37:18,903 attacking our democracy, it was incredibly shocking and sad. 655 00:37:18,903 --> 00:37:20,780 It was a really sad day for me. 656 00:37:20,780 --> 00:37:24,367 PROTESTERS: Treason! Treason! Treason! 657 00:37:24,701 --> 00:37:26,494 MARIANA: So to hear you say that you want this to happen 658 00:37:26,494 --> 00:37:31,541 again with armed people next time is, is troubling to me. 659 00:37:39,716 --> 00:37:41,718 MARIANA: And you would join the people that were taking it up a notch? 660 00:37:45,305 --> 00:37:47,807 (police officer screaming). 661 00:37:47,807 --> 00:37:50,435 MARIANA: All of this sounds like anarchy. 662 00:37:50,435 --> 00:37:52,812 It sounds like America's criminals have discovered the 663 00:37:52,812 --> 00:37:57,400 perfect weapon, one that they can use against rival gangs, 664 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,654 the government, and even the people closest to us. 665 00:38:16,961 --> 00:38:20,465 ♪ ♪ 666 00:38:20,465 --> 00:38:22,467 (gunshots) 667 00:38:22,467 --> 00:38:24,135 KEN: You hear gunfire in a rural area, 668 00:38:24,135 --> 00:38:27,222 it's nothing that's new. 669 00:38:28,223 --> 00:38:31,017 It's, it's part of the environment. 670 00:38:31,434 --> 00:38:34,062 But there was something about this one that made it different. 671 00:38:34,062 --> 00:38:38,650 (gunshots) 672 00:38:40,652 --> 00:38:43,988 MARIANA: It was the morning of November 14th, 2017. 673 00:38:45,114 --> 00:38:47,951 What fourth grade teacher Ken Yuers didn't know was 674 00:38:47,951 --> 00:38:50,620 that by the time he heard gunfire, the shooter had 675 00:38:50,620 --> 00:38:54,707 already murdered his own wife and two neighbors. 676 00:38:54,958 --> 00:38:56,167 OPERATOR (over phone): 911. 677 00:38:56,167 --> 00:38:57,502 WOMAN (over phone): Someone's been shot. 678 00:38:57,502 --> 00:38:59,671 MAN (over phone): He shot, he shot my uncle! 679 00:38:59,671 --> 00:39:00,922 MAN (over phone): Initially we opened the door and he started shooting at us. 680 00:39:00,922 --> 00:39:02,131 MAN (Nver phone): Oh, my God. 681 00:39:02,131 --> 00:39:03,591 OPERATOR (over phone): Which way did he go? 682 00:39:03,591 --> 00:39:06,511 MARIANA: And was heading towards the elementary school. 683 00:39:07,136 --> 00:39:10,682 The gunman smashed through the school's gates and 684 00:39:10,682 --> 00:39:14,686 opened fire with a semi-automatic assault rifle. 685 00:39:15,603 --> 00:39:19,399 KEN: My senses were completely overwhelmed with what was going down. 686 00:39:19,399 --> 00:39:22,860 This is an actual attack on our school, this guy has an AR-15. 687 00:39:22,860 --> 00:39:24,904 I can't even explain it. 688 00:39:24,904 --> 00:39:26,573 MAN (over phone): There's shooting at Rancho Tehama. 689 00:39:26,573 --> 00:39:27,866 There's a white truck ramming the gate. 690 00:39:27,866 --> 00:39:29,450 WOMAN (over phone): All kinds of gunfire. 691 00:39:29,450 --> 00:39:31,411 KEN: And then I heard him just opening up on that quad area. 692 00:39:31,411 --> 00:39:32,829 WOMAN (over phone): A bunch of gunshots are going off, 693 00:39:32,829 --> 00:39:34,330 people are yelling "Help!" 694 00:39:34,330 --> 00:39:36,374 KEN: You're going through a shooting, and seconds matter 695 00:39:36,374 --> 00:39:38,626 and the police are minutes away, and not even minutes, 696 00:39:38,626 --> 00:39:41,462 I mean 15-20 minutes, it was such a long time to be at the 697 00:39:41,462 --> 00:39:44,799 mercy of a maniac. 698 00:39:44,799 --> 00:39:47,385 MARIANA: Six-year-old Alejandro Hernandez was 699 00:39:47,385 --> 00:39:50,096 huddled inside his kindergarten classroom 700 00:39:50,096 --> 00:39:53,391 while the gunman was firing through the walls and windows. 701 00:39:53,391 --> 00:39:56,060 REPORTER (over TV): Opening fir at seven different locations. 702 00:39:56,060 --> 00:39:58,271 REPORTER (over TV): Semi-automatic rifle in hand. 703 00:39:58,271 --> 00:40:00,732 REPORTER (over TV): Fired at least 30 rounds. 704 00:40:00,732 --> 00:40:03,192 MARIANA: Once police began chasing the shooter, 705 00:40:03,192 --> 00:40:06,529 Alejandro's mother received an urgent call from the school. 706 00:40:07,530 --> 00:40:09,115 ANGELICA: First she told me, "Sit down." 707 00:40:09,115 --> 00:40:11,951 And the moment when she told me to sit down, I, yeah, 708 00:40:11,951 --> 00:40:15,955 I knew there was something, you know, happening. 709 00:40:25,089 --> 00:40:30,720 ANGELICA: I got shocked, it was really hard. 710 00:40:34,891 --> 00:40:39,562 MARIANA: I have a son as well, the same age, and it's, 711 00:40:39,562 --> 00:40:43,608 I think, the biggest worry. 712 00:40:43,608 --> 00:40:44,817 ANGELICA: Yeah. 713 00:40:44,817 --> 00:40:46,819 MARIANA: The most scary thing for every mom's. 714 00:40:46,819 --> 00:40:49,155 ANGELICA: Uh-hmm. MARIANA: And father's mind. 715 00:40:49,155 --> 00:40:52,909 ANGELICA: You never know when it will happen. 716 00:40:52,909 --> 00:40:56,204 MARIANA: Alejandro Hernandez took two direct hits. 717 00:40:56,204 --> 00:40:58,748 Thankfully, he survived. 718 00:40:59,123 --> 00:41:03,211 But I didn't come to Rancho Tehama to learn more about the murders. 719 00:41:03,211 --> 00:41:06,756 I came here to prove a point about the murder weapon. 720 00:41:08,257 --> 00:41:10,134 KEN: I do believe in the Second Amendment. 721 00:41:10,134 --> 00:41:12,679 But I come to find out later he had been told back in 722 00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:15,098 January of 2017, the judge told him, 723 00:41:15,098 --> 00:41:16,849 "You need to turn in all your weapons." 724 00:41:16,849 --> 00:41:18,059 MARIANA: He wasn't allowed to own a gun? 725 00:41:18,059 --> 00:41:20,853 KEN: Correct! He was not allowed to own a gun. 726 00:41:20,853 --> 00:41:23,564 MARIANA: Like the gangsters I met, the Rancho Tehama gunman 727 00:41:23,564 --> 00:41:27,527 wasn't allowed to possess a firearm, but because gun parts 728 00:41:27,527 --> 00:41:33,241 aren't regulated like guns, he was able to order a ghost gun online. 729 00:41:33,700 --> 00:41:34,867 CODY: It's a game. MARIANA: Uh-hmm. 730 00:41:34,867 --> 00:41:36,577 CODY: Why can't I play this game? 731 00:41:36,577 --> 00:41:39,747 MARIANA: If this is in fact a game, then we're the ones being played. 732 00:41:39,747 --> 00:41:41,791 DISPATCH: Shots fired, multiple calls coming in. 733 00:41:41,791 --> 00:41:43,626 REPORTER (over TV): A shooting outside a Manhattan night club. 734 00:41:43,626 --> 00:41:44,836 MAN: We opened the door and he started shooting at us. 735 00:41:44,836 --> 00:41:46,587 MAN: Hey. We need an ambulance, immediately. 736 00:41:46,587 --> 00:41:47,839 OPERATOR (over phone): How many shots did you hear? 737 00:41:47,839 --> 00:41:48,965 WOMAN (over phone): Like, four or five. 738 00:41:48,965 --> 00:41:50,216 MAN: No. 739 00:41:50,216 --> 00:41:54,137 (crying) 740 00:41:55,012 --> 00:41:59,225 CODY: What we accidentally did was create the Second Amendment, 741 00:41:59,225 --> 00:42:01,477 if it didn't exist beforehand. 742 00:42:01,477 --> 00:42:04,272 If there's a right to keep and bear arms, whatever that means, 743 00:42:04,272 --> 00:42:05,898 then you've got it. 744 00:42:05,898 --> 00:42:10,153 MARIANA: Sure, but so does everyone else, and that's not 745 00:42:10,153 --> 00:42:12,864 what America's founding fathers intended. 746 00:42:13,489 --> 00:42:15,992 There's a difference between a free marketplace 747 00:42:15,992 --> 00:42:17,618 and a free-for-all. 748 00:42:21,664 --> 00:42:24,125 MARIANA: Ironically, it was the gangsters I met who were 749 00:42:24,125 --> 00:42:27,670 the most honest about the impact of the ghost gun industry. 750 00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:29,922 Do you think the gun manufacturers feel threatened 751 00:42:29,922 --> 00:42:32,759 at all by the fact that these are becoming so popular? 752 00:42:46,814 --> 00:42:48,316 MARIANA: I couldn't agree more. 753 00:42:48,316 --> 00:42:51,152 From what I've seen, ghost guns are like a black market 754 00:42:51,152 --> 00:42:54,072 disguised as a legal one. 755 00:42:54,072 --> 00:42:56,991 And that's not something to cheer. 756 00:42:56,991 --> 00:42:59,619 Unless you think guns belong in the hands of gangsters, 757 00:42:59,619 --> 00:43:01,496 underage kids, 758 00:43:01,496 --> 00:43:05,333 or extremists trying to overthrow our government. 759 00:43:05,958 --> 00:43:11,130 ♪ ♪ 760 00:43:13,466 --> 00:43:15,885 Do you wish that there were clearer laws in place? 761 00:43:15,885 --> 00:43:17,345 RYAN: Absolutely. 762 00:43:17,345 --> 00:43:19,180 I, I think there's certain people that have lost their 763 00:43:19,180 --> 00:43:20,932 privilege to possess a firearm. 764 00:43:20,932 --> 00:43:22,433 POLICE OFFICER: Search warrant! 765 00:43:22,433 --> 00:43:24,102 BIDEN: And today, the United States Department of Justice 766 00:43:24,102 --> 00:43:25,770 is making it illegal. 767 00:43:25,770 --> 00:43:29,982 To manufacture one of these kits without a serial number, illegal. 768 00:43:30,274 --> 00:43:32,068 MARIANA: Though the Biden administration is attempting 769 00:43:32,068 --> 00:43:35,321 to regulate the sale of at-home build kits, 770 00:43:35,321 --> 00:43:38,282 experts fear this won't make much difference because the 771 00:43:38,282 --> 00:43:42,120 parts themselves remain legal and available. 772 00:43:51,003 --> 00:43:53,714 MARIANA: It's time for Americans to ask themselves. 773 00:43:53,714 --> 00:43:56,134 ♪ The son of a gun ♪ 774 00:43:56,134 --> 00:43:58,845 (gunshots) 775 00:43:58,845 --> 00:44:00,721 REPORTER (over TV): A shooting outside a Manhattan night club. 776 00:44:00,721 --> 00:44:04,183 WOMAN (over phone): How many shots did you hear? 777 00:44:04,183 --> 00:44:06,602 MARIANA: Is this a price we're willing to pay? 778 00:44:06,602 --> 00:44:07,854 Captioned by Cotter Media Group. 64115

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