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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:17,640 Norwegian texts: Jørn-Are Haugli Johansen 2 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:58,640 As churches begin to burn, a golden age in black metal begins. 3 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,080 With a number of defining releases. 4 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:06,080 Many are recorded in the Grieg Hall in Bergen. 5 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:16,600 It's strange to think that some of the most extreme, gravelly - 6 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:23,000 Norwegian black metal bands go to Grieg Hall and record albums - 7 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:28,440 - who remain as bauts in rock history. 8 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:33,120 The tension between pretty, bourgeois, Bergen Philharmonic - 9 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:37,040 - and extreme metal with cutting guitars ... 10 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,960 Pytten, the producer, has had an enormous amount to do with - 11 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:54,120 - how Norwegian black metal was presented, acoustically. 12 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:59,880 As one of those who was the birth attendant for Norwegian black metal sound. 13 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:06,280 A soundscape that almost the whole world has since tried to repeat. 14 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,000 These two were some of the first things I did. 15 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:27,240 The first metal recording in the Grieg Hall was my father - 16 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:32,600 - who was an old school friend of Pytten. 17 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:38,120 I asked my father if he knew anyone with a studio. 18 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:43,640 Then he thought a little. "The puddle is drifting down in the Grieg Hall." He called. 19 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:50,160 "My son has a band. They are not that old, so they do not have much money." 20 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:57,240 "Yes, they can come to me." "Do not say that, you have not heard the music." 21 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,960 It was a brutal entrance into the world. 22 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:18,360 The doctrine of harmony no longer applied. It was gone. 23 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,120 But I was extremely fascinated. 24 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:27,320 The puddle, which then receives the Old Funeral, puts them into the Grieg Hall. 25 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:33,400 He makes sure that a bunch of relatively inexperienced musicians get - 26 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:40,760 - a sound they had not dreamed of. Not least a sound they themselves wanted. 27 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,120 It's a gift! 28 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:55,720 Pytten has been a key figure in Norwegian metal. 29 00:03:55,840 --> 00:04:02,440 After we recorded the Funeral tape, Amputation came. 30 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,760 Amputation later became Immortal. 31 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:13,200 The word spread about good recordings with Pytten. 32 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:19,280 After Old Funeral and Amputation came Immortal, Emperor, Burzum ... 33 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,120 He did not become unemployed. 34 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:27,120 All this was happening while we were waiting for "De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas". 35 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:32,760 Mayhem's spectacular record was what everyone was waiting for. 36 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:39,160 Waited, waited and waited. In 1992, recording begins - 37 00:04:39,280 --> 00:04:45,720 - by "De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas". In Grieg Hall with Pytten. 38 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:53,080 When we recorded "Mysteriis", - 39 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:58,600 - Mayhem was me, Øystein and Varg. 40 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:06,040 We also chose Grieg Hall because of Varg. He was from Bergen. 41 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,360 He knew Pytten. 42 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:16,560 They were looking for a great sound, so we did it on stage in the Grieg Hall. 43 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,480 We put the Marshall stack to Øystein here. 44 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:26,200 He recorded melodies and solos. Turned this way. 45 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:32,440 And then I had a microphone on a stand, a little high, and placed it here - 46 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:37,680 - when we in the control room listened and heard that it was the right position. 47 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:42,760 We used the room. This wonderful room. 48 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:54,280 -That was a long time ago. -Yes. 49 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,760 -Good to see you again. -You too. 50 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:02,080 Yes, this is where we created magic. 51 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:10,120 This was the temple of sound. Judgment of sound. 52 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:22,120 The acoustics in the Grieg Hall are intended for symphonic orchestra. 53 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:30,080 I did not want to take the whole Grieg Hall with me. 54 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:36,440 Then you can lose control. So we made a small cage for the drums. 55 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:43,720 After a while of talking and discussion and yelling. "Hey Hey!" 56 00:06:44,840 --> 00:06:51,480 Above the drums were nine floors of tall houses. Open all the way to the ceiling. 57 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:02,760 Then you get a fantastic openness, and just listen to some of what has been done - 58 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,280 - of drums on that record. 59 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:19,680 We had to complement the riff with very dynamic drumming. 60 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:24,400 Dynamic symbols, crescendo and all that. 61 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:29,960 New ideas about drumming that no one had done before at that time. 62 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,440 Pytten was no ordinary producer. 63 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,880 He was so much more engaged. 64 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:45,000 We worked as a team to make this happen. 65 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,320 Absolutely. 66 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:53,000 I did not think I had said anything that, but in the mixing process ... 67 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:59,240 I wanted the drums louder. When you saw another way ... 68 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,040 -Did you do it? -Yes. 69 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:13,080 Here was the mixing desk, and there I recorded the vocals. 70 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,440 Interesting. 71 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,600 I still get goosebumps. 72 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:27,760 It felt very good to be here, alone in the dark. 73 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:34,480 With candles. I saw the text there and everything was fine. 74 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,440 It was like being in a trance. 75 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:46,840 Like that ... A little opera, but aggressive and dark. 76 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:53,600 You added black metal to something completely new and different. 77 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,000 -With that vocal. -Thanks. 78 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,640 You know that. 79 00:09:00,560 --> 00:09:03,840 -Thanks! -Raw. 80 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,520 I loved doing it and it was really good. 81 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:14,680 But I can not say that at that time I understood what it would be. 82 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:20,760 I do not think I saw the future this record got. 83 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:31,640 Without Mayhem's magnum opus, Norwegian black metal would not have been as it is. 84 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:37,200 Sound-wise, lots of atmosphere. How the lyrics are. 85 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:42,400 It solidifies some of the cornerstones. 86 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,880 "De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas" is a damn important record. 87 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,480 The songs, the mood and everything around the record. 88 00:09:54,600 --> 00:10:00,760 That's probably the essence of black metal, I think. 89 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,840 It's a kind of extraterrestrialism. 90 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,960 You get a rush from hearing "Freezing Moon". 91 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,280 It can withstand the test of time. 92 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:38,080 When you listen to the record, you are taken to a place - 93 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:44,920 - which is more than the sum of the parts and circumstances surrounding it. 94 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:50,760 It's like a black hole in the center of the black metal universe. 95 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:10,520 The police in Bergen are without a trace after the fire in Åsane church. 96 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,080 Police are now asking witnesses to report. 97 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:18,440 We will follow these matters closely. 98 00:11:18,560 --> 00:11:25,720 Here we are in an area where we have had only one fire per year. 99 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:31,600 Now we can sum up to 8-9 in 1992, - 100 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:36,200 - so it is an area that needs increased attention. 101 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:44,600 January 20, 1993, black metal goes from underground to front page fabric. 102 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:52,200 The count then goes to Bergens Tidende and tells - 103 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:58,520 - that he knows who is behind the church fires. The police take him in. 104 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:03,560 18 years old, unemployed and belongs to the rawest hard rock community. 105 00:12:03,680 --> 00:12:07,040 Today he was imprisoned for four weeks. 106 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:13,280 "We are behind all church fires in Norway, and we do not stop now", - 107 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,960 - claims the 18-year-old in an interview. 108 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:21,560 He does not admit the content of the interview. 109 00:12:21,680 --> 00:12:25,600 How would you describe the environment he comes from? 110 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:33,120 There are details, but the apartment he had was very special. 111 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:38,200 -In what way? -We found very special weapons. 112 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:43,720 -What kind of weapon? -Knives and things like that. 113 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:54,000 The media attention in the wake of this is taking a lot of people to bed. 114 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:58,120 Hell is the characteristic name of this store in Oslo. 115 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:03,240 It is alleged that the accused is connected to the environment here. 116 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:08,360 -I know nothing about anything. - We did not ask. 117 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,920 They called. 118 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:15,840 Some had been skeptical of the boys boys culture at Hell - 119 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,880 - and withdrew from it. 120 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:26,240 Others also see the possibility of being able to promote bands in the start-up phase. 121 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,000 So there is a duality in the environment. 122 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:36,640 To go from a fairly anonymous existence where people did not fully understand - 123 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:43,400 - what was your scene ... People shrugged about it. 124 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:51,160 To stand there with a follow-up spot ... "Hi! You! Satanist!" 125 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:57,160 I remember fists in the window from neighbors. They knew I had ... 126 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:03,720 I did not play with Vikernes anymore. He had quit before this happened. 127 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,200 I got out of it in the Count's time. 128 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:16,000 He proudly claims to be behind the record launch of all time. 129 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:20,920 For the accused, the prison stay has been part of the price. 130 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:28,560 He bluffed church fires to get a buzz about the music, it is claimed. 131 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,880 I have obviously managed to get PR. 132 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,600 -It was only PR for the album? -Of course. 133 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:40,000 Are you part of a satanic movement? 134 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,520 No. 135 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:47,760 Are the Nazi signs just to provoke? 136 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:54,560 It's a little different. To show support for Nazism. 137 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:59,480 Jewish extermination, for example. Because it was people. 138 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:03,640 I might as well have stood with a portrait of Stalin. 139 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:09,600 The so-called Count was released this afternoon. 140 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:16,240 The charge for church fires is upheld. 141 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:21,000 It was a bubble of its own. A world of its own. 142 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:26,360 For those who were into it, it was completely real and the way it should be. 143 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:30,320 Although it was completely distorted. 144 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,520 Øystein wanted to release records in cabin and pine. 145 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:46,560 It's good, but he did not have financial coverage for it. 146 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,320 He owed a lot of money here and there. 147 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:57,200 That was also what made him and Varg get in trouble with each other. 148 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:06,720 We had just become friends again. 149 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:14,760 I started getting letters that he missed the old days and stuff. 150 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:21,360 That we should make contact and stuff. Finally I went in and visited him. 151 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:28,840 Then we agreed that I should play over the bass tracks of the Count. 152 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:38,440 We knew there were things going on. Great enmity between him and Varg. 153 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:43,280 One of them came up with something crazy, probably. 154 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,640 No one knew what, where or who. 155 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:53,080 They started sending death threats to each other. 156 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:59,600 For Euronymous, death threats were ... He was always like that. 157 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:05,840 He sent death threats to everyone, but he did not put much into it. 158 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:11,760 But when you send death threats to someone like Varg Vikernes, - 159 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,600 - he probably thought: "Better him than me." 160 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:30,000 I was told that Øystein was dead when I was going to ... 161 00:17:30,120 --> 00:17:33,680 ... call down in the shop. No one picked up the phone. 162 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,640 I should say I could not bear to come. 163 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:43,720 It was strange that no one answered, Øystein lived in the shop. 164 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:47,880 I called, but thought he had gone home. 165 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,240 I called his parents in Ski. 166 00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:58,680 His mother picked up the phone, and she said that Øystein had been found dead. 167 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,640 He had been killed. 168 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:08,160 The man who was found killed this morning is Øystein Aarseth. 169 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,760 A famous person in the small Satanist milieu. 170 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:18,440 He was found by a neighbor at 05. He had been stabbed several times. 171 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:25,160 The police have secured traces at the scene, but are so far on bare ground. 172 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:29,200 It was Jan Axel who called me. 173 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:34,760 "Now you must hear! I tried to get hold of Øystein yesterday." 174 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:41,040 "He was not home, so I called his father." 175 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:46,760 "He told Øystein he was killed." 176 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:53,840 I could not say a word. He said, "Hello, are you there?" "Yes." 177 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:01,360 It was just completely incomprehensible. 178 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:08,640 I could not imagine that this would come to a level ... 179 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:18,200 To stand in front of a murder case ... It was completely ... 180 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:28,440 The first time I met Varg Vikernes was when I first questioned him. 181 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:33,640 We were at his house. Knocked. Unregistered. 182 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:41,520 Then we heard a bang, and he opened the door. 183 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:47,960 Then he stood there with an insane wooden club with nails in it. 184 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,320 He looked ugly at us. 185 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:57,120 It was obvious to us that there was a fear in the environment - 186 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:03,080 - that he who tries, and does not follow his "leaders", - 187 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,480 - it would have ugly consequences for. 188 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:12,760 In connection with the murder in Tøyengata in Oslo in August, Kripos - 189 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:19,800 - identified the so-called Count's fingerprint in blood. 190 00:20:24,120 --> 00:20:29,000 It was discussed whether he should be driven to Oslo. 191 00:20:29,120 --> 00:20:34,440 Or if we were to take a plane or train. We took him by car. 192 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:41,760 On the way over ... We switched to driving. 193 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:46,600 He was sitting in the middle between two police officers. 194 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,040 Eventually he fell asleep. 195 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:55,160 Then the head went down, and then it became quiet. 196 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,320 We just drove. 197 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:03,440 Then he woke up, and he was just like a little child waking up. 198 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:10,520 Smile on your face, shiny, nice eyes. 199 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:15,400 Looked up ... "Good morning." 200 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:19,160 And then he probably realized where he was. 201 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,240 Then he got really hard in the eyes. 202 00:21:22,360 --> 00:21:29,560 Then he went in black and back to the cold. Then he sat completely still. 203 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:36,520 But the little ... the seconds he was a little kid - 204 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:41,880 - who wakes up in the morning ... Then I saw that it was a human too. 205 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,880 It was actually Kristian Vikernes. 206 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:55,960 When we were able to transport him to Oslo and put him in custody, - 207 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,360 - let go of the roof also for these young people. 208 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:05,200 They would tell what they had been involved in, when they could not be caught - 209 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:10,880 - or punished for it, by the environment. 210 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:16,600 They gave up and wanted to tell how it was. 211 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:23,800 When the most prominent figure of them all - 212 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:30,280 - gets killed, it's kind of like ... "What happens now?" 213 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:35,640 "What's going on with this environment and this movement now?" 214 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:43,000 He was black metal. He was the highlight of that genre. 215 00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:48,720 I never felt like it was the same again. That did not happen. 216 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:54,320 Yes, so far, mass was produced in retrospect, but not for me. 217 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,840 For me, it was a black hole afterwards. 218 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:04,120 When he disappeared, I felt it was not worth anything more. 219 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:20,040 Now I have to stand and play. 220 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,000 But we can well stop filming. 221 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:43,520 I went to Øystein's funeral. There I saw Jan Axel. 222 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:50,320 I explained that I have premises in Skippergata. "Do you want to jam a little?" 223 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:55,200 I met Jan Axel on the tram by chance. 224 00:23:55,320 --> 00:24:01,160 He wanted to start Mayhem. "Do you want to join?" 225 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,440 "What? I haven't done this in years. Sure?" 226 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,320 "Yes, we need someone who can sing. I want you." 227 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:14,080 "What about the guitarist? He who was Mayhem is gone." 228 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,960 Jan mentioned a name. 229 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,880 He knew a guy named Rune Eriksen. 230 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:30,120 I was so skeptical, but then I thought about it for a very long time. 231 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,600 "OK, I'll show up for the first rehearsal." 232 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:42,880 Jan and I had talked about that if we got the right feeling, - 233 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:48,960 - then we would drive on. Otherwise we would give a damn. 234 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:59,520 We started, and I looked at Jan. He looked at me and just ... 235 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:04,560 "Yes! We're back!" Damn ... 236 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:10,560 I was told on Elm Street that this was a very bad idea. 237 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:16,320 "Why are you doing this?" I do not think anyone supported us. 238 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,640 It's perfect when we do such negative music. 239 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:26,520 Give me more negativity, and I'll give you back! 240 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:33,680 I took it as inspiration. Everything that went to hell was delicious! 241 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:49,280 After the confusion had subsided, people rolled up their sleeves, - 242 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:55,120 - and then they continued with the music. There was a lot of attention - 243 00:25:55,240 --> 00:26:00,120 - because there had been many dramatic events. 244 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,600 Remember that the attention was not of the good kind. 245 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:12,080 The most influential metal magazines ran tabloid style. 246 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:18,680 When it had no news value, they said, "We do not like this." 247 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,560 "We do not recognize this." 248 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:26,720 But the music was too good, and it was too important. 249 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:36,600 In 1993 Immortal goes on a European tour with Greek Rattan Christ - 250 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,800 and Blasphemy from Canada. 251 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:50,120 The first time many on the continent experienced Norwegian black metal live. 252 00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:03,960 When it comes to abroad, no one could imagine - 253 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:09,720 - that you could play like that. They were three times as happy as everyone else. 254 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,960 They had a completely different expression. 255 00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:26,120 When we go on stage, we go on stage to shock, - 256 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:31,800 - to bring out aggression and do a damn raw show. 257 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:38,040 We do things on stage that you do not see today. 258 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,520 Easily. 259 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,080 The impact on the metal scene was enormous. 260 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:58,880 Nothing new happened in metal. People recycled old ideas. 261 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,160 Suddenly Norwegian black metal came. 262 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:09,080 At first it was the headlines, but then you could focus on the music again - 263 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:14,720 - and see that it was new and exciting. It made metal interesting again. 264 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:21,120 There was something that spoke to the subconscious - 265 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:26,120 - and captured the mind in a way that changed the rules of the game. 266 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:33,000 You had to develop new ears, in a way, and listen to music in new ways. 267 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:37,800 It took me a long time to figure out what the Emperor was doing. 268 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,120 Suddenly I realized that. 269 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:57,440 Emperor was one of the great ambassadors for Norwegian black metal. 270 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,360 They toured with the Cradle of Filth in 1993. 271 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,920 Then we were 17-18 years old. 272 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,320 With Cradle of Filth as the warm-up band. 273 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:15,720 It took a while before we realized that things were actually starting to get big. 274 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:24,200 An international phenomenon where we were one of the bands with very high status. 275 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:31,400 It was a budding beginning to be accepted in the metal industry. 276 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:55,560 In 1994 comes Emperor's "In the Nightside Eclipse". 277 00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:00,000 Emperor proves to be much more technical and musical. 278 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:07,160 They are more progressive in expression, although they retain the core. 279 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:15,040 It is also one of the first albums to attract attention abroad. 280 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,360 The first black metal record I heard was "In the Nightside Eclipse". 281 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,760 And who gets really good reviews. 282 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:28,600 If any black metal record is considered a work of art, it is. 283 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,720 This was something completely new. 284 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:47,320 I remember the feeling of being shaken up by the chair. 285 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,440 I had never heard the like. 286 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:04,120 It is in many ways the beginning of symphonic black metal. 287 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:11,120 Without "In the Nightside Eclipse", Dimmu Borgir would not have sounded like they do. 288 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:34,240 We have gone our way. We wanted to try to create an expression - 289 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,880 - based on our own feelings. Simply. 290 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:45,000 That which comes from within. Instead of being a copy of something that has been done before. 291 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:57,520 We were perhaps one of the first bands to take advantage of - 292 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,400 - synth and keyboard more extensive. 293 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:05,240 We listened to Emperor and Enslaved, who also had synth and stuff. 294 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:12,280 But we used synth as a tool in the writing process. 295 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:17,360 We got a lot of pepper for that, but very proud of it today, - 296 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:24,840 - that we have not allowed ourselves to be swayed by bad criticism. 297 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,920 We do things our way, and that's always been the case. 298 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:34,360 We may well have been "outcasts" in this scene. 299 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:40,000 It was never important for us to make music to play fast - 300 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:47,920 - or sound as extreme as possible. We leave that to others. 301 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:54,760 For us, it was more about hitting a nerve with a feeling - 302 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:59,680 - of a riff, for example. Then I have achieved what I want. 303 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:12,480 Dimmu probably contributed to the popularity. Their sound is much bigger. 304 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:20,560 If the music is magnificent, it more likely reaches a larger audience. 305 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:26,000 It may have enticed people to explore more. 306 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:33,200 Norway's most important music event, the Spellemann Prize. 307 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:38,440 One million TV viewers and several thousand in Spektrum are at the party. 308 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:44,120 Why are you so pink, but sometimes black as a year? Dark Cities! 309 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:17,640 Who would have thought that black metal would become the living room - 310 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:23,080 - that they received Spellemann Prize nominations? Not me. 311 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:30,040 It was kind of like ... "What the hell happened now?" 312 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,320 You did not notice it until you got it in the middle of your face. 313 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,800 "What happened now?" 314 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:43,880 "Nominated for the Spellemann Prize? Do you fuck?" 315 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:50,560 Then it was like ... "Yes, yes." 316 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:57,560 We got a lot of fights from some people within the underground scene. 317 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,600 Then you are called "sellouts" and you name it. 318 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:19,480 It is always a double-edged sword when you have such an internal thing. 319 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:25,080 Of course you want to sell records, but also stay at a level - 320 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:30,400 - which is very secretive. It's something that's yours. 321 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:35,880 "This is not public property. We have worked for this." 322 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:42,560 It should be a bit like that subculture that is extreme. 323 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:49,560 Now it's like this: "Satyricon on the VG list. What the hell happened?" 324 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:35,920 Society is changing. People are changing. Black metal has also been - 325 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,200 - in development, and I think it's good. 326 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,840 If black metal is to be interesting, it has to be moving. 327 00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:58,680 When we released the album "Satyricon" in 2013 ... 328 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:04,920 There was no way how many reactions there were - 329 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,800 - that Sivert Høyem sang on a song. 330 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,360 Then I explain, "This is just inside your head." 331 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:32,320 "Had I sung the same lyrics, it would have been ... black metal." 332 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:38,440 "But you did not see this coming, and we will play a little with that." 333 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:43,000 We will move on, we will find new ways to express ourselves. 334 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:49,880 We will try to move both the definition and the associations. 335 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,720 We almost have to do that. 336 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:06,240 Black metal has always been characterized by paradoxes and doubts, - 337 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,160 - and that's what makes it so dynamic. 338 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:14,440 One has the old school and a progressive wing. 339 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:20,120 You need the old school, because you have to remember where you come from. 340 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:34,320 It's a riff. The core value of Darkthrone is riffs. 341 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:39,400 Without a good riff, you have nothing to offer. 342 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,640 Many who got a touch of black metal-feeling, thought: 343 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:50,040 "Early black metal is not enough, so we have to add to this atmosphere." 344 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:55,480 As an estimate of synth and more melodic features on top - 345 00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:00,120 - already simple, drawn rifle lines. 346 00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:06,080 Then I mean it is half misunderstood. 347 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:12,640 But now we make bread. The others can make cake. 348 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,680 But you get tired of cake too. 349 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,880 So we're kidding. 350 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:24,080 We must not forget Taake, - 351 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,480 - which keeps it going to this day. 352 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:33,560 Which is completely true to black metal as it was in the beginning. 353 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:39,560 We keep the old flame alive, I say. 354 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:44,880 I found my expression at the very beginning and ... 355 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,920 Has not really changed vision at all. 356 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:54,280 I still have a lot to give. 357 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,880 I have always felt that I have seen the world in a different way. 358 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:04,720 Been preoccupied with completely different things than my peers. 359 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:09,000 Thought in paths they could not imagine thinking in. 360 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:13,240 It could be frustrating to be different before, - 361 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:19,360 - but this style of music helped me find myself - 362 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:26,520 - and be proud to be different. Just give up being A4. 363 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:38,520 Some people have extreme things inside them, and it has to come out. 364 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,880 Then it's better to get it out in the music. 365 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:48,440 I think it's important to be a complete human being and recognize - 366 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:52,600 its animalistic, destructive sides as well. 367 00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:57,840 To live my way, it has been important to make friends with - 368 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,880 - all negative, destructive things. 369 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:17,320 Black metal zoomed in on a kind of primitive part of people - 370 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:22,920 - which is not usually fully expressed in other music genres. 371 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:28,680 When someone illuminates this inner landscape, - 372 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,720 - it is extremely liberating. 373 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:50,160 Black metal is the soundtrack to a lot of inner turmoil. 374 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:55,320 That we dare to put into words the difficult feelings we have. 375 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,920 As a fan, I felt very at home in it when I was younger. 376 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:14,320 I was a little alone and without identity and felt difficult feelings, - 377 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:21,960 - and black metal was an expression of that. It was healing for me. 378 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:27,560 I recognize that in a lot of other black metal fans. 379 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,000 There are few normal fans of black metal. If you dig it, - 380 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:37,920 - is it usually because it gives you a kind of outlet - 381 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:43,680 - or an experience that touches you on a spiritual and psychological level. 382 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:50,120 It does not affect everyone, but those who are affected become an important part of it. 383 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:08,640 It is powerful and makes us feel powerful. 384 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,840 We feel that we can rise above everything that depresses us. 385 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,400 Everything that weighs us down and makes us feel left out. 386 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,400 As outsiders. But not here. 387 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:28,360 Everyone looks "dangerous", but there are the happiest people there are. 388 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,880 I have never felt unwanted here. 389 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:40,040 If you are a black metal fan, really, then you are going to Norway. 390 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:44,240 In the same way that Beatles fans go to Liverpool. 391 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:48,520 It's exactly the same. If people are fans, then they should come here. 392 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:55,480 Then they go to Inferno and to Neseblod to take a picture in the basement. 393 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,440 It is important to them. 394 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:16,640 Especially this place I think is a dream for any metal fan. 395 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:23,160 When you are here, you really feel where things come from, - 396 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,320 - and how it all went. 397 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:32,120 Whatever you want to find, you will find it here. 398 00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:35,040 There is fantastic selection here. 399 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,240 This is a church candle. 400 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:46,720 They were famous for burning churches, and now you can do it - 401 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,400 - without consequences. 402 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:57,720 All these extra-musical things like suicide, lawsuits, fires ... 403 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:03,200 Murder and stuff. It has triggered quite a large willingness to pay. 404 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:09,280 Among people who are interested in buying records, shirts and such. 405 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:17,040 It has also led to a cash flow to record companies, bands and musicians. 406 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:23,240 It's almost like that ... 407 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:29,200 What should you call it? Varg Vikernes' cultural scholarship. 408 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:34,440 I'm 100% sure that these extremely talented artists - 409 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:41,320 had managed to make just that music and got those careers - 410 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:47,840 - they have got, without all the board here, which comes down to - 411 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:54,040 - very, very few people. This is incredibly good music. 412 00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,600 Damn, how well this has worked out! 413 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:12,400 We like Mayhem because it's such a raw feeling. 414 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:17,400 Not like that ... It feels sharp, in a way. 415 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,120 A little like that ... 416 00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:25,400 Cutting tones, in a way. I like that. 417 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:43,720 It's so nice when you've had so much power against you - 418 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:51,120 - for so many years, and then get to the top in the end. 419 00:46:51,240 --> 00:46:55,480 I think people understand how delicious it is. 420 00:46:55,600 --> 00:47:03,320 To be able to land with both feet on the ground with the mind somewhat intact. 421 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:08,640 And hopefully have forty good years left. 422 00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:15,720 To enjoy it. There hasn't been that much fun in the last 25 years. 423 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,760 Who's laughing now? 37140

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