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This film is based on
minutes from a meeting
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which has gone down in history
as the Wannsee Conference.
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The so-called statesmen of the enemy spoke.
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They could allow themselves to be
silent, because their cannons spoke.
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And their soldiers won
victories on a tremendous scale,
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which is unparalleled in history.
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It is a pleasure for us as Berliners
to express our warm gratitude
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to you, my Führer, on behalf
of the entire German people.
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I think I speak for the whole
people when I say, my Führer:
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We stood by your side when they were
silent, in difficult and in happy moments,
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and we will stand with
you through all disasters
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till the proud hour of our victory...
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Berlin, war winter 1942.
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The persecution and murder of Europe's
Jewish population began a long time ago.
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On January 20, the highest
representatives of the SS meet,
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The NSDAP and the ministerial bureaucracy
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at a conference in a
villa at Großer Wannsee.
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The person who invited to this
breakfast meeting is Reinhard Heydrich,
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the head of the National
Security Agency, RSHA.
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On the agenda is "the final
solution to the Jewish question".
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- Hail Hitler. - Good morning.
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- Has Obergruppenführer Heydrich landed?
- No.
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Notify me when he does. Who is here?
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Dr. Freisler, Secretary of State Neumann
and Herr Luther of the State Department.
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I can't keep them waiting...
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- Where is Obersturmbannführer Eichmann?
- In the meeting room.
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Please go ahead.
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Entertain the gentlemen with
some civilized conversation.
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Tell stories from the East.
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The Secretary of State may find them distasteful.
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You can handle it.
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- Comrade Eichmann.
- Good morning, Gruppenführer.
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- It looks orderly.
- We are almost done.
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Heydrich at the end of the table?
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You to his right, Gruppenführer
Hofmann to his left.
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Then Hofmann will be
happy. And here next to him?
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Ministry of the East:
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Gauleiter Meyer, Dr Leibbrandt and
Dr Bühler from the General Government.
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- We place Meyer a little further away.
- I thought that as a Gauleiter...
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Otherwise he feels too important. Further.
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Dr Schöngarth and Dr Lange.
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Fine.
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- And the desktop riders opposite?
- Yes.
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And you?
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I will sit down with Fräulein Werlemann, so that
we can resolve matters of protocol directly.
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At the side table, I see.
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- I'm glad you're here.
- Me too, Gruppenführer.
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It's different.
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For my part, we can
hold all conferences here.
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- You don't like Herr Eichmann's office?
- I didn't say that.
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Do something about the work
environment, Eichmann. A trip to the zoo.
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I will investigate the possibilities.
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- Did your trip to Theresienstadt go well?
- Very good. I came home last night.
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- Was everything as expected?
- It's not as crowded as people say.
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- That's what I said.
- The new bunk beds work perfectly.
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The inmates are allowed to huddle together.
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First Mölder's plane crash and
now Field Marshal Reichenau.
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I left the coat at the laundry, and now
we already have the next state funeral.
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- A terrible loss, especially now.
- Yes.
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- Apparently a stroke.
- Deep in the Ukrainian forests.
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- What was he doing in the forest?
- Run.
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- In minus 40 degrees, like every morning.
- You're kidding.
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A Reichenau is not stopped by
freezing temperatures. A tough devil.
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40 degrees below zero, good
god. And our men outside Moscow...
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It is not warmer for the Russians.
Moscow falls on Easter at the latest.
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Right, Dr Schöngarth?
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Of course.
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Excuse me.
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- It was a surprise!
- Dr. Schöngarth?
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- I thought you were in Latvia?
- That's me.
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I am here in place of Dr. Stahlecker.
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- You are climbing in the career.
- Well...
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- I'm not happy with conferences.
- You get used to it.
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- Where do you live?
- Here. My room is up there.
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You should have told
me! This is the wish.
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I only arrived last night.
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- Lots of work at your place?
- Yes.
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You are hardly finished with your Jews until
more arrive. 900 more yesterday, Czech.
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Where do you place them? The ghetto in Riga?
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Hardly. We take a walk
in the forest, and that's it.
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- Mr. Kritzinger. - Dr. Klopfer.
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I never thought I would make it!
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Be careful what you say.
The Gestapo is watching us.
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As far as I know, we have
nothing on you, Dr. Klopfer.
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It was a relief.
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- Minister Kritzinger...
- Gruppenführer.
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I didn't know your agency
operates a branch out here.
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- A former factory villa.
- Aryanized?
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Not in this case.
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Gentlemen.
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Obergruppenführer
Heydrich has just landed.
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We start at twelve o'clock
as planned. Notify the kitchen.
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Yes, Obersturmbannführer.
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We expect 90 minutes. Prepare
snacks in the saloon when the doors close.
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- Gauleiter. - Gruppenführer.
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Dr. Buhler.
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- Dr. Leibbrandt.
- Gruppenführer.
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Where have you kidnapped us
to, Müller? It looks downright feudal.
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It is a guest house that belongs to RSHA.
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The East Ministry should also
have a guesthouse at Wannsee.
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I agree.
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Are you doing just as well in Kraków, Dr. Bühler?
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The General Government has other
concerns: two million Polish Jews.
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- You can say that again.
- We wait in vain for reinforcements.
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- That is why we are here today.
- Governor-General Frank wants results.
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Gentlemen.
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Gruppenführer Müller.
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Dr. Stuckart. Let me
congratulate you on the addition.
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As well informed as always.
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Why are we honored to be here?
Repainting on Prinz-Albrecht-Straße?
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We wanted to give a little change.
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You want to impress us,
but don't get your hopes up.
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The house has central heating.
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- For God's sake!
- Can you orient me?
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Gauleiter Meyer. You must
know him. Ministry of the East.
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- He hasn't introduced himself.
- It will. He thinks he is important.
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Leibbrandt works for him.
He speaks seven languages.
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And next to him?
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Dr. Buhler. I have to constantly
spar with him in Kraków.
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- The General Government. Civil administration.
- And the other costume elves?
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Doubters in service. Secretary of State and stuff
like that. Göring's office for the four-year plan.
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The Ministry of Justice, the National
Chancellery and the Party Chancellery.
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Luther, he's nice. Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
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- I hope I don't have to remember them all.
- But you must remember him.
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Stucco art. He will be
interior minister one day.
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- Yes, this will be fun.
- It's like a friends night out.
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In the end, it's about who
wears the hat, albeit without beer.
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That was unfortunate.
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- I was wondering if you would come by bicycle.
- I considered it.
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Do you live here by the lake?
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Two kilometers. A beautiful
house. A wonderful family.
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Who is the young man?
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- A Sturmbannführer if I see correctly.
- In this party?
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- They probably both belong to the rough crew.
- Heydrich's "fighting administration".
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I don't want to know what our
soldiers in the east have to experience.
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- Hail Hitler.
- Gruppenführer Hofmann.
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- A pleasure.
- It is my pleasure. And in the east?
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- Too many Jews, but we are working on it.
- That is why we are here today.
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According to the invitation,
Mr. Heydrich is to draw up an overall plan
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to solve the Jewish question. Do
you know more about the matter?
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He seems serious. Otherwise
he wouldn't have invited us here.
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Göring himself entrusted him with it.
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Yes, Heydrich's path to
Reich Marshal has been short.
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- He is an ambitious man.
- That's what I want to say!
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An incredible career, and
he's not even a graduate.
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- He has success. That is the important thing.
- He is welcome to have that.
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But I dislike poachers in
my area of responsibility.
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Let me introduce Sturmbannführer Lange.
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- And you represent...?
- Brigadeführer Stahlecker.
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I know him. Welcome.
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Hail Hitler.
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- Welcome to Berlin.
- How are you?
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- Very good thanks. Did the flight go well?
- Yes.
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- Are all the others here?
- Yes, we are full.
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An excellent idea to invite to a second
breakfast. Now at least they are punctual.
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- How is the mood?
- Dr. Stuckart is as combative as ever.
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Dr. Bühler complains about the
Jews in the General Government.
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As usual, that is.
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Make sure you are well taken care
of in the kitchen, Hauptsturmführer.
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- Do you have the numbers I asked for?
- They are ready in the study.
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I have noted that the accuracy varies.
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An impression of correctness is enough.
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- Gauleiter.
- Obergruppenführer.
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Good morning. Sorry I am late.
My departure in Prague was delayed.
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We have a lot to do.
I'll be there in a minute.
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Mr. Luther. Dr. Lange.
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Excuse me.
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Please close the door.
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Mr. Luther, surely the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
has its own ideas about the Jewish question?
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That's right.
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I hope they are in line
with what we discussed.
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- I don't want to start from scratch.
- Everything is as we have discussed.
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On the whole, it's about
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that we must have full access
to all Jews of all nationalities,
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provided they are within
our sphere of interest.
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The time for international
considerations is over.
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So true.
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The United States and England have taken decisions
against us. The Jews can no longer be used as hostages.
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They should have been taken
from us while it was possible.
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It fits well with our thoughts.
I like the last paragraph best:
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"The measures are carried out in
agreement with the state secret police."
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Our collaboration with Herr Eichmann
has been extremely constructive.
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Maybe it's because I've
also worked in transport.
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I can only imagine the work
that the current measures require.
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I am glad to hear.
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Our tactics in the Jewish question are too
rapid for the delicate sensibilities abroad.
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I like to do a proper job.
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- Can you excuse us for a moment?
- Of course.
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- Recorder?
- Fräulein Werlemann from Eichmann's office.
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- Reliable?
- One hundred percent.
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- Day officer?
- Handpicked people.
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Dr. Lange, come closer.
You don't have to hide.
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I only hear good things from the Baltics.
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The commander of Task Force
A, Brigadeführer Stahlecker,
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as well as Higher SS and Police Commander
in the East, Obergruppenführer Jeckeln,
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has authorized me to inform
you: Estonia is free of Jews.
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Lithuania and Latvia, apart from a few
remaining working Jews, are also free.
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What can I say? Good news.
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May I?
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What is this?
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We have prepared a small sketch
with the quotas achieved so far.
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Task group A is now at 220,000.
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Together with the others, it will be half a million.
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- It is making progress.
- You've worked hard on this one!
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The drawings were made by a comrade.
We have someone who can do that.
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Only 42,000 in Belarus?
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Unfortunately. It is a large area, and
there is a lack of vehicles and gasoline.
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And the ground is
frozen. We can't dig holes.
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Arquebusing is still possible,
but disposal has stalled.
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- How do you remedy that?
- Stacks, until it thaws again.
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We will soon get rid of those kinds of bottlenecks.
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The promised gas wagons
are soon on their way to you too.
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- Have the loading problems been solved?
- Problem?
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A comrade from Kulmhof told me. The
Jews do not voluntarily go on the wagons.
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- It often gets restless in the hold.
- Yes, it takes a little fingertip feeling.
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Afterwards they have to go out again. The comrade
says that it is more disgusting than the arquebusing.
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It is still more efficient,
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especially with a full load of
nine to ten units per square meter.
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The wagons are still only a transitional solution.
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Later you will learn more about
the scope of our current plans.
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I'm looking forward to it.
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Eichmann.
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The transport yesterday from Theresienstadt?
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Completed last night. I
almost missed my flight.
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- Thank you, Sturmbannführer.
- An order is an order.
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You and your comrades are doing a duty to
people and fatherland that few are capable of.
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The future will honor
the heroism of your men.
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- If I can, I'll say hello to them.
- Do so.
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Some of the gentlemen you will meet
are not made of the same wood as us.
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We have inherited remnants of the
previous administration and government.
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The ones Herr Müller calls
them "Christmas Santas".
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Dr. Schöngarth has
warned me. I will be discreet.
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It's not necessary. They should be told what
they are participating in. That closes the ranks.
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I understand. A question of dosage.
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Right. A question of dosage.
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But shouldn't my place be here?
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- Here, Gauleiter.
- Would you be so kind?
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- Here we are again talking about the Jews.
- It looks like that.
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An extremely unpleasant topic.
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Thanks.
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- Dr. Stuckart.
- Undersecretary of State Luther.
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Did your audience end well?
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You should not be jealous. I heard
that you yourself were a guest in Prague.
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I represented the interests of
the Home Office, not the RSHA.
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- Water? - Thank you, please.
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Herr Gauleiter, Secretary of
State, Comrades of the SS.
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I am pleased that you accepted
my invitation at such short notice.
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We preferred it to a dusty office,
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so that we are not disturbed by
telephones and the running of the advisers.
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And if your agencies would like to enjoy
the convenience here, one night costs…
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Eichmann, help me.
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Five reiksmark per night and person.
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- What an offer!
- So that's why we're here.
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RSHA is looking for new sources of funding.
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Anything helps, Mister
Gauleiter. Joking aside.
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Regarding the reason for our gathering,
I would like to draw your attention
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to the letter from Reich Marshal
Göring which is attached to my invitation.
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There, the Reich Marshal tasks me to:
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"Make preparations in organizational,
factual and material terms
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for a comprehensive solution
to Europe's Jewish question."
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I am instructed to involve all
concerned central authorities
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to produce an overall draft.
So that's you, gentlemen.
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- That is why we are here today.
- Add a copy to the minutes.
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- May I ask...
- Already, Dr. Freisler?
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Just a trifle.
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The assignment is dated to July last
year. Why is it only happening now?
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As you know, for a few months I have been
dividing my time between Berlin and Prague.
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My duties as Deputy National
Protector occupy much of my time.
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The Czechs offer stubborn resistance.
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It was expected. The slaves are recalcitrant.
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A meeting in December was made
impossible by the military developments:
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Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor,
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The Führer's declaration of war against the United
States and the Russian counter-offensive in the East.
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After all, the Russians have
decided to offer resistance.
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It won't help him.
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I have been asked to present
an overall draft regarding,
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and I quote the Reich Marshal again:
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"The Implementation of the Final
Solution to the Jewish Question."
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The overall solution to the Jewish question is just that:
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The final solution to the Jewish question.
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Our preparations have thus
been extensive and complicated,
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which has caused some delays.
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- Thanks for the information. I understand.
- Have I understood the matter correctly?
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So we are no longer just
talking about the national Jews?
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- Do the new plans apply to all of Europe?
- That's right.
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The Jewish question can only be considered
solved after a total biological cleansing
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of all Jewry up to the Ural Mountains.
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That is the goal, the task
that fate has set before us.
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All over Europe...
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It's a whole new perspective.
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The goal has been around for a long time. The
new thing is that we are now dealing with it.
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It is not unexpected. I was at the
Führer's house a few weeks ago.
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Then he said clearly that he
wanted the Jewish question resolved.
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As he predicted in the Riksdag:
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"If international Jewry once again
plunges the people into a world war,
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then the result will not be a
Bolshevization of the world,
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without an annihilation of
the Jewish race in Europe."
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This is the falsification of prophecy.
The Jews want war and will have it.
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The destiny of Judaism is
fulfilled, which is hard but deserved.
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Pity or remorse is thus
completely inappropriate.
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We don't need any presentations. Most
people here are familiar with each other.
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Except our Sturmbannführer here.
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Dr. Stuckart?
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I just wanted to point out that I
am not personally familiar with him.
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- Dr. Lange, would you be so kind?
- Sturmbannführer, Dr. Rudolf Lange.
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Head of the security police
and intelligence service in Latvia.
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I represent Dr. Stahlecker,
who sends greetings to all of you.
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Then it was settled.
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- Isn't Latvia our territory?
- That's right.
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Our operational area is in
the Rikskommissariat Ostland.
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- And yet we haven't met?
- We haven't been given the opportunity.
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Then it's time. We want to know
who moves in our area of responsibility.
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I will arrange it as soon as possible.
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This might interest the gentlemen:
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Thanks to the combined efforts of the
Ministry of the East and the task forces
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can Estonia be considered Jew-free.
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Dr. Lange has already notified me.
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You will soon be able to read a report
on the situation for the task forces.
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You are welcome to take a look at it later.
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- If I may ask a question...
- Is it a short question?
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- It applies to Dr. Lange's area of responsibility.
- You are welcome.
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As you write in your invitation have
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Jewish transport
increased in recent months,
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both from the kingdom and from the protectorate,
this according to your report IV B4
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and your Jewish expert
Obersturmbannführer Eichmann.
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That's right.
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There appear to have been
irregularities during these transports.
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The Rikskansliet holds documents
from November, from Riga.
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Can you get to the point?
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At efforts in the Rigattot
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to prepare a certain relief,
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a transport of Jews from Berlin was
included in an ongoing special treatment.
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We know that. What else?
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The incident has also been
discussed at the Ministry of the Interior,
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with a certain inability to understand.
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I beg you. Judaism has
forced this war on us.
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One must recognize the world-historical
necessity of fighting back.
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One cannot anxiously ask whether
individual Jews bear personal guilt.
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You see, gentlemen... We
are warm and cozy here.
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But in the East it is often less orderly.
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It is not possible to get an up-to-date order
from Berlin for each individual decision.
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I know. I was a soldier in World War.
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Then you know that our units are
sometimes forced to improvise at the front.
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Here we are talking about a
thousand people, from Berlin.
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What would we do? We couldn't throw them out
into the snow and let them freeze to death.
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I have great confidence in
the judgment of your men.
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They solve things in the spirit of the Führer.
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Let's be honest:
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What was forbidden in November
is allowed in December, so please.
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The Germans don't care if
Ukrainian or Latvian Jews die.
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But each of these thousand Reich Jews has
relatives, acquaintances and friends in Berlin.
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It leads to irritation and questions.
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And the Rikskansliet cannot
always provide correct information.
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We also feel that way at the Ministry of Justice.
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The rumors have also led to
suicides among German Jews,
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which leads to great
concern among the population.
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I am not worried about Jewish suicides.
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It has happened that
non-Jews have been deported,
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or Jews who fought on Germany's side
in the World War, some highly decorated.
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The Gestapo in particular doesn't
seem to be following their own guidelines.
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Regrettable initial mishaps.
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That is precisely why we have gathered
here today, to hear all your concerns.
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Reichsmarschalk Göring, who I
speak for here, recently criticized
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that Jewish skilled workers are transported
from factories important for rearmament.
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It cannot, especially at this critical
stage of the war, be in our interest.
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I understand. The Marshal criticizes
one aspect of what he otherwise welcomes.
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- Regarding the current transports...
- Dr. Bühler, can it wait?
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The Führer promised Governor
General Frank several months ago
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that the General Government would
be Jew-free in the foreseeable future.
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- But our ghettos are still full of explosives.
- Show me someone who is better off.
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We also run the risk of not
being able to feed all the Jews.
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One wonders if the most humane
thing would not be for non-working Jews
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eliminated with a fast-acting agent.
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It's more pleasant than starving to death.
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Financially speaking, absolutely right. It is war.
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Why waste precious
resources on the Jews?
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We in the General Government are certainly
capable of solving the problem ourselves.
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We have already taken steps in the
direction of Mr. Brack's euthanasia actions.
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There are procedures,
although not completely harmless.
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That's why you should let us handle it.
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00:30:39,016 --> 00:30:40,997
We are already working with Mr. Brack.
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His people provide
knowledge and equipment.
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In the Litzmannstadt ghetto, it has
already provided noticeable relief.
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We hope to hear more about these measures
today. At least that's what we were promised.
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I realize that we live in turbulent times.
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In recent months, we have begun
tremendous development on many levels,
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and sometimes progress is
faster than we have anticipated,
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not least because areas of
responsibility often overlap.
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Welcome to Berlin, where everyone seems to
think they are responsible for everything.
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That is the German thoroughness.
We should consider it a virtue.
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Sure, but so that our virtue
doesn't become an obstacle
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a faster decision-making process is required.
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We have to make sure we
follow parallel lines, so to speak.
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I state, also with regard to
Reich Marshal Göring's letter,
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that from now on lies the leadership of
the final solution of the Jewish question,
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regardless of geographical boundaries,
with Reichsführer-SS, Heinrich Himmler
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and with his authorization the
head of the National Security Board,
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that is, my little person.
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00:32:11,441 --> 00:32:18,059
So can I inform the Minister of the Interior that
the RSHA is now making the Jewish laws themselves?
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- It would be easier.
- Don't worry, Dr. Stuckart.
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- You will participate in the decision-making process.
- Or be informed about decisions already made?
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00:32:27,487 --> 00:32:32,152
Don't you want to listen to our
Obergruppenführer's plans first?
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before you feel excluded?
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What I feel does not belong here.
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I am asking based on a responsibility
for my ministry's areas of competence.
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I'm surprised I'm the only
one. You then, Mr. Luther?
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- Or the gentlemen from the Ministry of the East.
- How so?
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You have complained that Berlin interferes in
your Jewish affairs, and now you are silent.
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- Right now you are getting involved in our Jewish affairs.
- Dr. Bühler, do you see the same in Kraków?
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If the final solution means
that we finally get rid of our Jews
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am I ready to follow our
Obergruppenführer's lead.
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And that's exactly how it should be. We
will solve your Jewish problems for you!
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After today, you will all agree that only
the National Security Supervisory Board
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is capable of solving the Jewish question,
organizationally as well as practically.
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We have the resources, methods,
organization and experience required
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and people with enough determination.
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If you do not agree after today,
I will gladly hand over the task.
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It's not that we don't
have enough work.
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- So if you let me continue...
- Of course.
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A brief retrospective: Since 1933, we
have waged a battle against Judaism
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and succeeded in repressing
the Jews from German society.
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The Jewish race is recognized as
foreign to the body of the German people,
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thanks, among other things, to the actions of
the Central Agency for Race and Settlement.
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00:34:12,156 --> 00:34:16,478
The Jewish laws have made the harmful
influence of the Jews on our community
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practically impossible.
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With legislation such as
Dr. Stuckart's Nuremberg Laws...
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I was just a co-author.
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With the goal of clearing the Jews
out of German social life by legal means
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we have had a large
number of Jews emigrate.
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- Obersturmbannführer.
- So far it is around 537,000.
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00:34:42,779 --> 00:34:48,464
Not least thanks to Obersturmbannführer
Eichmann's organizational efforts.
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My agency is also only part of
Gruppenführer Müller's Gestapo department.
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It was nothing.
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In principle, the acceleration of the
Jewish exodus was not a bad idea.
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Let them exert their
harmful influence elsewhere.
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00:35:02,689 --> 00:35:05,478
But emigration is
no longer an option.
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00:35:05,502 --> 00:35:08,469
They don't want them abroad either.
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00:35:08,493 --> 00:35:12,462
And we must not increase the
enemy's forces in time of war.
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00:35:12,486 --> 00:35:17,475
What happened to the idea of sending them
to Madagascar? Then the world had let them go.
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Shelved, as long as England
has dominion over the seas.
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00:35:22,273 --> 00:35:26,470
- The same applies to the marshlands of Siberia.
- At least as long as the Russians stand in the way.
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Therefore, Reichsführer-SS and Chief of the
German Police, Heinrich Himmler, forbade
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the exodus of Jews in October.
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And now we turn our attention to what I like
to call "the opportunities in the East".
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In the east, thanks to the
work of our task forces, we have
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about half a million Jews who
have received special treatment.
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We have gained experience that
will be important for the final solution.
448
00:35:56,486 --> 00:36:01,465
So instead of emigration, another
possible solution has emerged.
449
00:36:01,489 --> 00:36:06,330
Let us call it the evacuation
of the Jews to the East,
450
00:36:06,355 --> 00:36:11,347
to bring them to the final solution
with the methods of the East.
451
00:36:12,271 --> 00:36:14,459
- Sorry, Obergruppenführer.
- Dr. Lange?
452
00:36:14,483 --> 00:36:16,476
- So we're going to accept more Jews?
- No.
453
00:36:16,890 --> 00:36:20,896
You deal with the Eastern Jews who
are added when the front is moved forward.
454
00:36:21,451 --> 00:36:26,433
The major measures that are planned
go through the Higher SS and Police Chief.
455
00:36:26,816 --> 00:36:29,804
And how big are the big measures?
456
00:36:30,001 --> 00:36:35,006
The spaces of the final solution
will also relieve the task forces.
457
00:36:35,256 --> 00:36:38,470
"Evacuation to the Premises
of the Final Solution",
458
00:36:38,494 --> 00:36:44,490
Does that mean special
treatment for all European Jews?
459
00:36:46,028 --> 00:36:51,006
Listen now, but then forget it
immediately. That's exactly right.
460
00:36:51,031 --> 00:36:55,285
May I ask where these
spaces are located?
461
00:36:55,310 --> 00:37:01,474
- Not with us. That was not the case.
- With us, in the General Government.
462
00:37:01,684 --> 00:37:03,660
At least I assume so.
463
00:37:03,903 --> 00:37:07,888
It is built in the area around Lublin
under Brigadeführer Globocnik.
464
00:37:08,294 --> 00:37:12,706
Thus we get rid of some of the Jews who
have gathered in the General Government,
465
00:37:12,982 --> 00:37:15,462
around Bełżec and Sobibór.
466
00:37:15,486 --> 00:37:18,479
The capacity is also to be
expanded in eastern Upper Silesia,
467
00:37:19,065 --> 00:37:22,038
near the village of
Auschwitz. More on that later.
468
00:37:22,318 --> 00:37:27,462
Dr. Bühler, didn't the Governor-General
desperately want to get rid of the Jews?
469
00:37:27,765 --> 00:37:32,459
- And now he gets more?
- Why do our Jews interest you right now?
470
00:37:32,484 --> 00:37:37,396
- You receive the news with great calmness.
- The Obergruppenführer has explained:
471
00:37:37,421 --> 00:37:42,466
We don't have to deal with the Jews
in the final solution. They don't stop.
472
00:37:42,490 --> 00:37:49,004
It's real. Do not worry. You
will practically not notice it.
473
00:37:49,029 --> 00:37:52,459
But you spoke of all the Jews of Europe.
474
00:37:52,484 --> 00:37:55,501
- A good knitting line.
- Obersturmbannführer...
475
00:38:11,089 --> 00:38:15,722
The map shows the current political
and military situation in Europe.
476
00:38:16,308 --> 00:38:19,705
Here in the east, the current front line.
477
00:38:19,730 --> 00:38:22,749
The red is the kingdom's
territory at the outbreak of war.
478
00:38:23,099 --> 00:38:25,480
The pink are incorporated areas:
479
00:38:25,504 --> 00:38:29,476
Formerly Western Poland,
the Czech Republic and Austria.
480
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,605
Further east in white, the eastern
territories under German civil administration:
481
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:37,463
Ostland, Ukraine and the General Government.
482
00:38:37,487 --> 00:38:41,468
Vertically dashed in red are territories
that we have occupied militarily:
483
00:38:41,492 --> 00:38:45,365
Norway, Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium,
484
00:38:45,505 --> 00:38:49,699
northern France, Serbia and Greece.
485
00:38:49,724 --> 00:38:54,197
And dashed horizontally, countries
that are allies or where we have influence:
486
00:38:54,641 --> 00:38:58,625
Italy, the Vichy regime, Hungary, Romania,
487
00:38:58,650 --> 00:39:02,612
Bulgaria, Albania,
Croatia and Slovakia.
488
00:39:02,637 --> 00:39:06,650
- We practically have Europe in our hands.
- And we have only just begun.
489
00:39:07,693 --> 00:39:10,464
- And the black dots are...
- Jews.
490
00:39:10,489 --> 00:39:14,762
The density seems to indicate the
concentration of the Jewish population.
491
00:39:14,787 --> 00:39:15,787
That's right.
492
00:39:16,072 --> 00:39:20,051
The further east we look, the more
compact the Jewish resistance becomes,
493
00:39:20,515 --> 00:39:23,926
above all in former Poland and
areas that belonged to the Soviet Union.
494
00:39:24,251 --> 00:39:27,773
After all, they have been
spreading there for centuries.
495
00:39:27,798 --> 00:39:32,777
Behind the front lines in the fog of war, we
have already reduced concentration significantly.
496
00:39:32,802 --> 00:39:37,474
- But there is still much to do.
- The task appears to be too ambitious.
497
00:39:37,818 --> 00:39:42,467
I consider myself an expert in
the field, but I cannot overview
498
00:39:42,491 --> 00:39:45,482
how many Jews are we talking about.
499
00:39:46,161 --> 00:39:49,149
We are talking about eleven million.
500
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:57,071
This list shows how Judaism is
distributed between individual countries.
501
00:39:58,082 --> 00:40:02,385
Within the Reich we
still have 130,000 Jews.
502
00:40:02,410 --> 00:40:05,387
Numerically manageable,
but politically complicated.
503
00:40:05,786 --> 00:40:09,321
The largest items: the General
Government with 2.3 million.
504
00:40:09,346 --> 00:40:12,325
The Soviet Union has the most, around five million.
505
00:40:12,350 --> 00:40:17,329
In the Balkans, I quickly
count around 1.6 million,
506
00:40:17,494 --> 00:40:20,271
and almost a million more throughout France.
507
00:40:20,489 --> 00:40:22,483
The numbers are higher than expected.
508
00:40:22,655 --> 00:40:26,763
Non-occupied countries such as England
and Switzerland are also listed here.
509
00:40:26,788 --> 00:40:33,107
Of course. The figures already
paint the coming new order of Europe.
510
00:40:33,323 --> 00:40:38,306
Very good. We must
look beyond the horizon.
511
00:40:38,876 --> 00:40:42,855
- And where do the numbers come from?
- From our archives.
512
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,199
And from representatives of
the Jews in Vienna and Berlin.
513
00:40:45,318 --> 00:40:47,474
The Ministry of Foreign Affairs has also contributed.
514
00:40:47,597 --> 00:40:50,612
- Are the numbers reliable?
- They should roughly match.
515
00:40:51,434 --> 00:40:55,953
- These are incredible numbers.
- May I quickly put it into perspective?
516
00:40:55,978 --> 00:40:58,968
Gladly. Keep it short, please.
517
00:41:01,835 --> 00:41:06,808
We have to consider the
numbers in a larger context.
518
00:41:06,833 --> 00:41:10,816
The final solution to the Jewish
question is only one of the building blocks
519
00:41:10,841 --> 00:41:13,484
in the planned reorganization of Europe.
520
00:41:14,124 --> 00:41:20,483
In the longer term, we are talking about the removal
of all lower races in our sphere of interest.
521
00:41:21,208 --> 00:41:25,189
The movement of people in the
eastern territories must give way
522
00:41:25,214 --> 00:41:31,526
for the Germanization of the conquered living
space in the East through German colonization.
523
00:41:32,210 --> 00:41:37,488
In the end, we are talking about a Europe
characterized by our Germanic culture,
524
00:41:38,021 --> 00:41:43,474
in which non-Germanic peoples
are at most tolerated as labor slaves.
525
00:41:43,498 --> 00:41:47,482
Reading and writing at primary school
level. Counting up to one hundred.
526
00:41:47,912 --> 00:41:50,560
We don't need them anymore.
527
00:41:51,493 --> 00:41:53,709
Europe's new order and racial elevation
528
00:41:53,734 --> 00:41:56,721
requiring the repopulation
of hundreds of millions.
529
00:41:57,018 --> 00:42:04,003
In comparison, a final solution for eleven
million Jews is downright negligible.
530
00:42:08,491 --> 00:42:12,724
How are you going to control all
these Jews? How will that happen?
531
00:42:12,749 --> 00:42:14,730
I wonder that too.
532
00:42:14,755 --> 00:42:19,715
The transports have just started, and
already we have delays and obstacles.
533
00:42:19,740 --> 00:42:24,473
What will it look like when
eleven million get moving.
534
00:42:24,497 --> 00:42:29,873
They do not move. They
are set in motion by us.
535
00:42:30,786 --> 00:42:32,773
I don't want to trivialize it:
536
00:42:32,798 --> 00:42:37,812
We are facing an organizational task
that is unprecedented in world history.
537
00:42:38,445 --> 00:42:40,429
It will proceed as follows:
538
00:42:40,501 --> 00:42:44,489
We plan to comb
Europe from west to east.
539
00:42:44,831 --> 00:42:48,790
The evacuated Jews are first
taken to so-called transit ghettos,
540
00:42:48,815 --> 00:42:52,426
and then transported eastward train by train.
541
00:42:52,451 --> 00:42:56,583
- So from west to east?
- It's true.
542
00:42:56,608 --> 00:43:00,973
I have to hope that the General
Government leads the way.
543
00:43:00,998 --> 00:43:07,479
When the facilities are in place,
shall we first work by our Jews?
544
00:43:07,971 --> 00:43:10,490
- We shall see.
- You must excuse...
545
00:43:11,081 --> 00:43:16,816
We cannot be expected to stand and
watch as trains are full of French Jews
546
00:43:16,841 --> 00:43:20,793
rolling into our territory while our
own country is being choked by Jews.
547
00:43:20,818 --> 00:43:23,699
Do you think it is different with us?
548
00:43:23,724 --> 00:43:26,489
The territory of the German
Reich naturally comes first,
549
00:43:27,045 --> 00:43:30,716
not least because of the housing
shortage after the bombings.
550
00:43:30,741 --> 00:43:36,714
Bohemia-Moravia also takes precedence,
and not because it's my home ground.
551
00:43:36,739 --> 00:43:40,267
Too many Czechs still
think they can get rid of us.
552
00:43:40,292 --> 00:43:44,603
The Jewish-controlled backbone of
the resistance must be quickly broken.
553
00:43:44,834 --> 00:43:49,470
- It is about military necessity.
- I understand them, but still:
554
00:43:49,495 --> 00:43:53,475
A plan with no reduction of our Jews
at the beginning of the Final Solution,
555
00:43:53,499 --> 00:43:57,943
and for the record, will not be favorably
received by the Governor-General.
556
00:43:57,968 --> 00:44:03,478
It wasn't said that way. We were promised
relief in our ghettos at the beginning.
557
00:44:03,935 --> 00:44:06,487
We'll see.
558
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:11,472
If we cannot agree on the order,
559
00:44:11,496 --> 00:44:15,497
then I take the liberty of asking
for a decision from the Führer.
560
00:44:17,106 --> 00:44:22,559
The assets after these eleven
million Jews should be a larger sum.
561
00:44:22,584 --> 00:44:23,986
You have to assume that.
562
00:44:24,011 --> 00:44:28,991
So far, Aryanized assets have gone to
the representatives of the four-year plan.
563
00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:33,191
Shall I inform Reich Marshal
Göring that it will continue like this?
564
00:44:33,216 --> 00:44:38,480
Wait now. The Eastern Ministry still has
access to the assets of the Eastern Jews.
565
00:44:38,504 --> 00:44:41,483
Yes. Our Jews, our money.
566
00:44:41,507 --> 00:44:44,490
First, the money will
finance the transports.
567
00:44:44,514 --> 00:44:49,473
Unfortunately, we have to pay
the Reichsbahn for every Jew.
568
00:44:49,497 --> 00:44:54,476
Now we must not sell the
skin before the bear is shot.
569
00:44:54,739 --> 00:44:57,160
Where do we get transport capacity from?
570
00:44:57,185 --> 00:45:03,825
Good question. The upgrade is already
taking up a lot of the railway and roads.
571
00:45:03,850 --> 00:45:07,869
- Should we have eleven million Jews on the trail?
- And don't forget the military.
572
00:45:08,269 --> 00:45:11,254
The troops must also be
moved, as well as equipment.
573
00:45:11,505 --> 00:45:16,476
We already have supply problems
without the Jewish transports.
574
00:45:16,500 --> 00:45:20,476
If the transports would
impede the war effort,
575
00:45:20,500 --> 00:45:24,472
then the party will advocate dealing
with the Jewish question after the war.
576
00:45:24,497 --> 00:45:27,481
The fight against the Jews is part of the war effort.
577
00:45:27,505 --> 00:45:31,484
It is not a luxury we indulge in
beyond the military endeavours.
578
00:45:31,884 --> 00:45:34,855
War and race are one and the same.
579
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,480
Where we fight against the
Jews, we fight for the kingdom.
580
00:45:37,504 --> 00:45:44,477
- But we mustn't take on too much.
- Exactly. First victory, and then the Jews.
581
00:45:44,501 --> 00:45:48,475
Gentlemen, while I
respect your concerns
582
00:45:48,499 --> 00:45:54,475
is this the wrong time to chastise
the Führer's visions like a potted plant.
583
00:45:54,499 --> 00:45:58,481
Only ten years ago the Jews lived
everywhere among us, almost invisible,
584
00:45:58,505 --> 00:46:01,493
as if they were part of our community of people.
585
00:46:02,055 --> 00:46:06,027
And look where we are
today, how far we've come.
586
00:46:06,052 --> 00:46:09,493
How the possibilities are constantly expanding.
587
00:46:09,517 --> 00:46:16,488
Thinking small now because of
false fears would be a fatal mistake.
588
00:46:16,892 --> 00:46:21,863
Right now, we must have the courage
to take big steps and have big visions.
589
00:46:21,888 --> 00:46:25,482
We are at a critical
stage of the war.
590
00:46:25,506 --> 00:46:28,480
Russia in the east, the USA
in the west and England at sea.
591
00:46:28,504 --> 00:46:31,493
The war is not an obstacle, but an opportunity.
592
00:46:31,517 --> 00:46:35,477
War opens up opportunities
that do not exist in peacetime.
593
00:46:35,501 --> 00:46:41,481
Despite all the personal tragedies, war also
provides an opportunity to create realities.
594
00:46:41,505 --> 00:46:47,499
Make a radical intervention in
society and shape it with a big plan.
595
00:46:49,177 --> 00:46:55,190
When a farmer wants to cultivate his field,
he must first drive the spade into the soil.
596
00:46:58,522 --> 00:47:02,499
Perhaps you will get the best answers to
your questions about transport and personnel
597
00:47:02,523 --> 00:47:06,493
when Herr Eichmann informs
us of the concrete process.
598
00:47:07,037 --> 00:47:09,365
As Jewish adviser at agency IV B4
599
00:47:09,390 --> 00:47:15,364
I am responsible for the registration
and transportation of Jews to be deported.
600
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,487
First:
601
00:47:17,512 --> 00:47:23,489
The transport of Jews is to take place piecemeal,
depending on the military developments.
602
00:47:23,661 --> 00:47:27,223
When the Jew is registered with
the police, reported and separated
603
00:47:27,248 --> 00:47:29,243
he is detained at the reference time.
604
00:47:29,518 --> 00:47:34,490
He hands in his house key, signs
over his assets to the kingdom
605
00:47:34,514 --> 00:47:39,483
and sets off with a small suitcase and a
maximum of 50 reiksmark to the collection point,
606
00:47:39,507 --> 00:47:43,479
usually a distant siding, where
he is placed on the wagon.
607
00:47:43,603 --> 00:47:46,592
Why write over the assets?
According to the 11th Ordinance
608
00:47:46,617 --> 00:47:50,363
Jews lose both citizenship and
property when they cross the border.
609
00:47:50,388 --> 00:47:56,071
- The border crossing is not entirely voluntary.
- Bureaucratic formality seems reassuring.
610
00:47:56,096 --> 00:48:01,068
An orderly process, as the Jews
board the trains with a sense of order.
611
00:48:01,232 --> 00:48:02,489
I understand.
612
00:48:02,513 --> 00:48:07,484
The transport is carried out after
coordination with the Ministry of Transport,
613
00:48:07,508 --> 00:48:12,480
the transport management at the
Ordnungspolizei and the Reichsbahn timetable.
614
00:48:12,832 --> 00:48:17,004
For reasons of efficiency and to give
accompanying staff a better overview
615
00:48:17,029 --> 00:48:22,287
transport takes place primarily with freight wagons.
But in the beginning and up to the border of the kingdom
616
00:48:22,312 --> 00:48:27,076
also used by passenger
trains, for optical reasons.
617
00:48:27,458 --> 00:48:33,215
I guess we are informed about the numbers. We
want to know exactly how many people are coming.
618
00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:39,811
Of course. The transports are coordinated
with the respective reception capacity
619
00:48:39,836 --> 00:48:41,826
at the target areas in the east,
620
00:48:42,107 --> 00:48:47,199
whether ghettos, labor camps,
transit camps or direct action.
621
00:48:47,224 --> 00:48:51,481
- How large will our staffing be?
- Personnel is not a problem.
622
00:48:51,505 --> 00:48:55,482
We manage the entire
company with a handful of men.
623
00:48:55,724 --> 00:48:57,708
- Is it true? - Yes.
624
00:48:58,591 --> 00:49:02,293
A train with ten carriages can
easily be guarded by a dozen men.
625
00:49:02,670 --> 00:49:06,505
And how do you avoid the bottlenecks
in transport that we just pointed out?
626
00:49:06,677 --> 00:49:09,484
We don't expect any bottlenecks.
627
00:49:09,508 --> 00:49:14,855
We use goods wagons that previously
transported Russian workers to the kingdom.
628
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:20,480
They would otherwise roll back empty. We
are practically trading Jews for Russians.
629
00:49:20,504 --> 00:49:25,785
- So we optimize an existing process?
- Yes. This way we avoid empty trains.
630
00:49:25,810 --> 00:49:28,185
- I like that. - I'll be damned.
631
00:49:28,494 --> 00:49:34,485
If I'd had a freight forwarder like Eichmann,
I'd also have a villa like this now.
632
00:49:35,521 --> 00:49:39,490
- Then these questions are also answered.
- In the protocol?
633
00:49:39,514 --> 00:49:42,502
Yes, Obergruppenführer.
Allow me a comment:
634
00:49:42,526 --> 00:49:48,483
If through transport we lose Jewish
professionals in the war industry,
635
00:49:48,507 --> 00:49:53,488
and in exchange receive untrained
foreign labor, then there is no profit.
636
00:49:53,824 --> 00:49:58,806
It won't be like that. Those that we
benefit from will remain for the time being.
637
00:49:59,017 --> 00:50:04,992
Overall, utility and workability
will play a greater role.
638
00:50:05,079 --> 00:50:08,090
But if this is not the case,
our patience has run out.
639
00:50:08,505 --> 00:50:12,484
This was done in the insane asylums
and institutions for the disabled.
640
00:50:12,812 --> 00:50:16,404
- We can't afford surprise guests.
- A moment.
641
00:50:16,429 --> 00:50:20,527
It was said that the Jews in the Final
Solution would receive special treatment.
642
00:50:21,341 --> 00:50:23,795
And now you say they should work for us?
643
00:50:24,047 --> 00:50:28,020
We get to decide, if
only for planning reasons.
644
00:50:28,045 --> 00:50:33,500
- Workers must be fed and housed.
- Our plans include both things.
645
00:50:33,524 --> 00:50:40,491
Able-bodied Jews are put to suitable
work in the East under suitable leadership.
646
00:50:40,515 --> 00:50:46,483
They will be led there in work
columns to, for example, build roads.
647
00:50:46,507 --> 00:50:52,493
There they will work for us. Quarrying
stone, draining swamps and so on.
648
00:50:52,899 --> 00:50:58,121
I recommend gender segregation so
as not to exacerbate the Jewish problem.
649
00:50:58,146 --> 00:51:03,489
- That's exactly how it's planned.
- Fine. There is plenty of work.
650
00:51:03,513 --> 00:51:07,487
In deed. The Germanization of
our newly won territories in the East
651
00:51:07,511 --> 00:51:12,590
requires roads, factories, agriculture
and housing for German settlers.
652
00:51:12,615 --> 00:51:17,491
The Reichsführer-SS is also planning major
construction projects to secure the areas.
653
00:51:17,515 --> 00:51:23,500
- So we have to agree.
- But hard manual labor for Jews?
654
00:51:23,524 --> 00:51:27,493
I know from experience that
we shouldn't expect much here.
655
00:51:27,517 --> 00:51:32,037
A majority of Jews work in
commerce or in private occupations.
656
00:51:32,507 --> 00:51:38,494
- Not directly with wall construction.
- We will not spare them. Count on it.
657
00:51:38,518 --> 00:51:42,497
A large part will fall away
due to natural causes.
658
00:51:42,521 --> 00:51:47,486
- It is carefully planned for.
- And the ones that don't fall away?
659
00:51:47,930 --> 00:51:52,191
These accumulated residues will
ultimately be properly processed.
660
00:51:52,216 --> 00:51:55,489
They are arguably
the most resilient.
661
00:51:55,513 --> 00:51:58,507
"Properly handled" means...?
662
00:51:58,531 --> 00:52:03,496
Ask first best Jew. He knows the answer.
663
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:08,485
- Just so we're talking about the same thing.
- I see no alternatives.
664
00:52:08,781 --> 00:52:11,777
The most resistant must
receive special treatment.
665
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:15,134
They can become the seed
of a new Jewish structure.
666
00:52:15,159 --> 00:52:18,136
History should be a warning to us.
667
00:52:18,341 --> 00:52:22,858
The Romans expelled the Jews throughout
the world, and saw the problem as solved.
668
00:52:22,883 --> 00:52:25,890
- Did they think, yes.
- Now we have to pay the price.
669
00:52:26,445 --> 00:52:32,430
Anyone who wants a healthy public body must
not shy away from eradicating harmful bacteria.
670
00:52:32,517 --> 00:52:38,495
The Jew is the eternal parasite,
spreading under favorable conditions.
671
00:52:38,655 --> 00:52:42,643
A rotten mold that grows on
the cultures of healthy people.
672
00:52:42,668 --> 00:52:48,640
It is a basic imperative for
ethnic, national and social hygiene
673
00:52:48,665 --> 00:52:52,626
to completely eradicate the disease.
674
00:52:52,651 --> 00:52:55,670
We intend to be thorough and without exception.
675
00:52:56,508 --> 00:53:01,980
You have only spoken of able-bodied Jews.
What is the plan for those who are not?
676
00:53:02,005 --> 00:53:06,434
Good question. Considering the conditions
in our ghettos, it should be half.
677
00:53:06,459 --> 00:53:10,494
- If not more.
- We are gradually getting rid of them.
678
00:53:10,518 --> 00:53:13,505
The necessary capacity is currently being built.
679
00:53:14,190 --> 00:53:20,160
Then the goal of the journey is the
same for all Jews, able-bodied or not.
680
00:53:20,185 --> 00:53:21,507
Exactly.
681
00:53:22,272 --> 00:53:29,232
The solution to this problem will
involve many personal tragedies,
682
00:53:29,623 --> 00:53:35,493
but it is inevitable. This is the right time
for a final solution to the Jewish question.
683
00:53:35,518 --> 00:53:40,988
Later generations will lack the power
of action and the awakened instinct.
684
00:53:41,013 --> 00:53:47,911
What for us is a burden becomes for our
descendants an advantage and a happiness.
685
00:53:47,936 --> 00:53:51,910
- I already see a problem.
- About what?
686
00:53:51,935 --> 00:53:57,493
Special treatment for
non-working Jews means old, right?
687
00:53:57,517 --> 00:54:03,533
And precisely among them are the Jews
who fought for Germany in the World War.
688
00:54:04,697 --> 00:54:10,379
- Side by side with those of us who were there.
- I don't remember fighting with Jews.
689
00:54:10,404 --> 00:54:13,884
- No distinction was made then.
- You probably didn't even notice it.
690
00:54:14,315 --> 00:54:19,293
Considering this problem, we have
found a simple but effective method.
691
00:54:19,513 --> 00:54:20,533
Eichmann.
692
00:54:23,524 --> 00:54:26,855
Citizens over the age of 65,
693
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,730
Jews who were badly wounded during
the war or those who were decorated
694
00:54:30,755 --> 00:54:34,492
are not evacuated directly, but
transferred to ghettos for the elderly.
695
00:54:34,516 --> 00:54:39,487
With this solution, many interventions
are eliminated in one fell swoop.
696
00:54:39,737 --> 00:54:43,721
And where will this ghetto for old
people be located? Does it also fall on us?
697
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,341
Don't worry, you don't have to do it all alone.
698
00:54:46,511 --> 00:54:49,504
The intended is
Theresienstadt in my area.
699
00:54:49,528 --> 00:54:53,490
I don't want to be blamed
later for not contributing
700
00:54:53,514 --> 00:54:55,490
I would never suggest that.
701
00:54:55,514 --> 00:55:00,502
Eichmann last visited Theresienstadt
yesterday. The rebuilding is already underway.
702
00:55:00,526 --> 00:55:05,496
Soon, several tens of thousands of
Jews will be accommodated there.
703
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:11,495
As it is a former fortress, it is
easy to achieve maximum security.
704
00:55:11,519 --> 00:55:15,507
The site consists of compact, well-built houses.
705
00:55:15,531 --> 00:55:20,496
It is quite possible that we
can make it a show ghetto.
706
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:25,501
Incidentally, this solution can be
very reassuring for the population.
707
00:55:26,032 --> 00:55:30,754
Magnificent! We give the Jewish
controlled cruelty propaganda abroad
708
00:55:30,779 --> 00:55:34,500
a concrete counter-evidence:
the invitation to Theresienstadt.
709
00:55:34,524 --> 00:55:38,495
Come and see how the Germans deal with the Jews.
710
00:55:38,519 --> 00:55:42,941
Won't it be expensive? Housing
for tens of thousands of people?
711
00:55:42,966 --> 00:55:46,511
It is being investigated whether it is possible
to charge the residents for the accommodation,
712
00:55:46,535 --> 00:55:51,496
as well as the Jews we had to emigrate
themselves paid for the transport.
713
00:55:51,942 --> 00:55:54,113
God forbid we pay for the Jews.
714
00:55:54,138 --> 00:55:57,507
But then we still have tens of thousands of Jews left.
715
00:55:58,310 --> 00:56:01,495
Old Jews, Gruppenführer.
Propagation is unlikely.
716
00:56:01,519 --> 00:56:04,701
The problem resolves
itself biologically.
717
00:56:04,795 --> 00:56:09,506
The old in the ghetto are, of course,
ultimately transferred to the Final Solution.
718
00:56:09,530 --> 00:56:11,505
Then I shouldn't have said anything.
719
00:56:11,895 --> 00:56:16,873
Then my people will make
Theresienstadt a fantastic German colony.
720
00:56:17,005 --> 00:56:21,988
Then it was settled too.
I suggest a short break.
721
00:56:22,013 --> 00:56:25,493
You have got an idea of
the basic features of our plan,
722
00:56:25,517 --> 00:56:29,506
but two points await us which
are more ministerial matters.
723
00:56:30,029 --> 00:56:35,029
You can stock up in the salon,
and we'll continue in ten minutes.
724
00:56:39,516 --> 00:56:41,528
There is much that awaits us.
725
00:57:02,132 --> 00:57:07,717
- All the Jews of Europe. Who expected that?
- In accordance with the Führer's vision.
726
00:57:07,742 --> 00:57:13,719
You will be able to tell your grandchildren
that you witnessed world history.
727
00:57:14,270 --> 00:57:16,713
Helped shape, I would say.
728
00:57:16,753 --> 00:57:19,731
Am I seeing right? Salmon slices?
729
00:57:19,974 --> 00:57:23,979
Availability at RSHA appears to be good.
730
00:57:31,098 --> 00:57:33,074
Very friendly. Thanks.
731
00:57:33,099 --> 00:57:37,498
- No one should complain about our working environment anymore.
- No the opposite.
732
00:57:37,522 --> 00:57:42,497
- Just think about our last music night.
- How could I forget?
733
00:57:42,521 --> 00:57:47,509
I would say we have a lot of fun. We
laugh more than in other departments.
734
00:57:47,533 --> 00:57:50,507
I am glad to hear.
735
00:57:50,858 --> 00:57:55,841
It's starting to move. Heydrich
has a firm grip on the helm.
736
00:57:56,123 --> 00:58:00,507
He makes it look like the
chaos of the last few months
737
00:58:00,531 --> 00:58:03,060
was part of a great plan that is now being initiated.
738
00:58:03,085 --> 00:58:05,511
Don't you think so?
739
00:58:05,535 --> 00:58:10,503
I would say one third
plan, two thirds chaos.
740
00:58:10,527 --> 00:58:14,512
And the chaos is now plainly
declared to have been part of the plan.
741
00:58:14,536 --> 00:58:19,502
The pressure rises. Everyone wants to get
rid of their Jews, but no one wants them.
742
00:58:19,776 --> 00:58:22,060
Nobody wants to be a Jew today either.
743
00:58:23,519 --> 00:58:25,841
- Gauleiter. - Dr. Freisler.
744
00:58:26,327 --> 00:58:29,301
You said earlier that you
were at the Führer's house.
745
00:58:29,326 --> 00:58:32,507
In December, at a meeting with
national and party district leaders.
746
00:58:32,531 --> 00:58:35,510
- Interesting? - What, exactly?
747
00:58:36,056 --> 00:58:41,207
It may sound incredible, but I
have never met our Führer in person.
748
00:58:41,232 --> 00:58:43,498
- Thus. - Oh really?
749
00:58:43,522 --> 00:58:48,497
Do you think you could
put in a good word for me,
750
00:58:48,522 --> 00:58:51,811
for a meeting with the Führer? Anywhere.
751
00:58:51,836 --> 00:58:54,834
Of course. I would love to.
752
00:58:58,009 --> 00:59:01,997
- Shall I bring you something?
- No thanks.
753
00:59:06,530 --> 00:59:08,789
They seem to have swallowed the bitterest pills.
754
00:59:08,814 --> 00:59:12,772
That we decide on the timing
and extent of the evacuations.
755
00:59:12,797 --> 00:59:16,787
We're not done yet. Don't
underestimate Dr. Stuckart.
756
00:59:17,279 --> 00:59:20,013
We haven't gotten to his favorite subject.
757
00:59:30,162 --> 00:59:35,309
- I must admit that you surprised me.
- Then my visit here is already worthwhile.
758
00:59:35,334 --> 00:59:39,700
You are told that you will get millions
of new Jews and keep the mask.
759
00:59:39,725 --> 00:59:44,699
It was an agreement. You
approve of his leadership,
760
00:59:44,724 --> 00:59:49,718
and he gives you the promise to
begin the final solution at your doorstep.
761
00:59:50,538 --> 00:59:54,508
- I hope Heydrich keeps it.
- What do you mean?
762
00:59:54,532 --> 00:59:57,349
- It is an honor that it happens with us.
- I know.
763
00:59:57,374 --> 01:00:02,339
The Jewish question is the Führer's
pet child. Everyone wants to keep it.
764
01:00:02,529 --> 01:00:07,513
I know Frank. He will eat you if you
return to Kraków without promises.
765
01:00:08,177 --> 01:00:12,145
Governor-General Frank is
happy to receive ten thousand Jews
766
01:00:12,185 --> 01:00:14,434
if we get rid of twenty
thousand in the same breath.
767
01:00:14,459 --> 01:00:18,028
- A deep breath.
- We were promised large-scale measures.
768
01:00:18,053 --> 01:00:21,045
I heard that.
769
01:00:26,940 --> 01:00:29,942
I am not authorized to speak about it.
770
01:01:01,062 --> 01:01:03,059
Peacefully.
771
01:01:04,078 --> 01:01:06,077
Very.
772
01:01:08,185 --> 01:01:11,507
Heinz Rühmann lives here somewhere.
773
01:01:11,531 --> 01:01:13,535
Speer too.
774
01:01:15,033 --> 01:01:19,030
Down there is Max Liebermann's villa.
775
01:01:20,524 --> 01:01:24,528
- The painter.
- I know. Jewish Impressionist.
776
01:01:26,524 --> 01:01:29,516
- You are an educated man.
- And it surprises you.
777
01:01:30,148 --> 01:01:34,115
- Considering my duties in the East.
- You often hear that.
778
01:01:34,140 --> 01:01:37,135
Occasionally.
779
01:01:38,545 --> 01:01:44,500
Could you have dreamed it? That you
would suddenly change your desk in Berlin
780
01:01:44,524 --> 01:01:47,508
against service in Poland?
781
01:01:48,008 --> 01:01:53,020
You get to experience what is decided
behind the desk. What is wrong with that?
782
01:01:55,535 --> 01:01:58,536
What is happening in the east...
783
01:02:00,527 --> 01:02:05,834
One hears that it is degenerating.
Brutality. Arquebusing pits.
784
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:10,509
I see it as a craft. You
learn and then you can.
785
01:02:10,533 --> 01:02:12,516
Some better, others worse.
786
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,940
How are your men doing?
787
01:02:15,965 --> 01:02:20,955
Every day these promotions. Entire villages.
788
01:02:23,112 --> 01:02:26,090
We emphasize the necessity of the mission.
789
01:02:26,115 --> 01:02:30,209
The rest is done through habit
and an extra ration of brandy.
790
01:02:30,427 --> 01:02:33,521
The brandy blurs the impressions from the day.
791
01:02:34,263 --> 01:02:38,759
You must intervene only when they
bellow during work. They shoot wrong.
792
01:02:38,784 --> 01:02:41,770
Then the half-dead fight their
way out of the pits during the night,
793
01:02:42,122 --> 01:02:46,104
and you have to shoot them again the next morning.
794
01:02:47,016 --> 01:02:51,992
- I didn't mean to offend you.
- You were in the trenches yourself, weren't you?
795
01:02:52,017 --> 01:02:56,991
We shot at soldiers, not
at women and children.
796
01:02:57,016 --> 01:02:59,988
I have a husband who prefers to shoot children,
797
01:03:00,013 --> 01:03:03,993
since they wouldn't survive
without their parents anyway.
798
01:03:04,018 --> 01:03:07,990
He thinks he is doing the children a favor.
799
01:03:08,015 --> 01:03:11,015
It makes sense, doesn't it?
800
01:03:25,079 --> 01:03:28,076
The conference continues.
801
01:03:44,526 --> 01:03:49,505
I hope you feel empowered. We
now come to a central question,
802
01:03:49,529 --> 01:03:53,508
namely the determination of which
groups are suitable for evacuation.
803
01:03:53,532 --> 01:03:57,509
Which ones are current for our
transports and which are not?
804
01:03:57,533 --> 01:04:00,507
Clarification is needed here
regarding Jews living abroad,
805
01:04:00,531 --> 01:04:02,762
Jews of mixed race and intermarriage.
806
01:04:02,787 --> 01:04:04,521
I cannot agree.
807
01:04:04,545 --> 01:04:09,246
Jews of mixed race and intermarriage
are regulated by our Jewish laws.
808
01:04:09,271 --> 01:04:15,508
- Our perceptions differ.
- But now I'm talking about laws.
809
01:04:15,532 --> 01:04:18,510
For the sake of simplicity,
we start with Jews abroad.
810
01:04:18,534 --> 01:04:23,541
Under Secretary of State
Luther, please brief us.
811
01:04:24,547 --> 01:04:26,516
Foreign Jews.
812
01:04:26,540 --> 01:04:31,523
About 40,000 Jews with foreign
passports are on German soil.
813
01:04:31,547 --> 01:04:37,513
- Oh dear! What are some?
- They must know that they are not welcome.
814
01:04:37,537 --> 01:04:42,507
It's mainly about Hungarian, Czech
and maybe Slovak Jews, isn't it?
815
01:04:42,531 --> 01:04:47,507
That's right. We got most of
them at the union with Austria.
816
01:04:47,701 --> 01:04:49,871
Tell us we can change that!
817
01:04:49,896 --> 01:04:53,918
We can, at least when it comes
to citizens of enemy countries.
818
01:04:53,943 --> 01:04:57,451
But for Jews from friendly countries
or countries under our influence
819
01:04:57,484 --> 01:05:02,529
do we see it as polite to at
least ask the governments
820
01:05:02,955 --> 01:05:06,504
if we may include their Jewish
citizens in our companies.
821
01:05:06,529 --> 01:05:09,513
Who would turn down an offer like that?
822
01:05:09,537 --> 01:05:14,941
It's like asking a neighbor if
you can shovel his manure too.
823
01:05:14,966 --> 01:05:20,145
Slovakia and Croatia have agreed.
Romania and Bulgaria are well on their way.
824
01:05:20,170 --> 01:05:23,507
Do they give us free
access to their citizens?
825
01:05:23,531 --> 01:05:26,357
They have no objections.
Only Hungary opposes it,
826
01:05:26,382 --> 01:05:31,834
and Slovakia claims
the assets of the Jews.
827
01:05:31,888 --> 01:05:34,271
- Why doesn't it surprise me?
- Money doesn't smell.
828
01:05:34,296 --> 01:05:39,270
- Maybe we can do them that service.
- The office of the four-year plan?
829
01:05:39,548 --> 01:05:44,521
If it speeds up deportation,
we must not be petty.
830
01:05:44,545 --> 01:05:49,511
- It is likely not large sums.
- Thank you for your courtesy.
831
01:05:49,535 --> 01:05:54,516
You heard. Apart from the Hungarians,
we can get rid of all foreign Jews.
832
01:05:54,540 --> 01:05:59,510
- How is the situation in France?
- Herr Eichmann apparently knows something new here.
833
01:05:59,534 --> 01:06:03,238
The Wehrmacht has accepted the
necessity of our measures of force.
834
01:06:03,263 --> 01:06:09,509
Jews who fled the kingdom have been
interned, and transports will soon begin.
835
01:06:09,533 --> 01:06:11,514
With the French Jews we should wait a little.
836
01:06:11,538 --> 01:06:14,522
So, Eichmann now works
at the Foreign Ministry?
837
01:06:14,546 --> 01:06:17,510
It is called interministerial cooperation.
838
01:06:17,534 --> 01:06:20,508
Let's stick to the topic.
Belgium? Holland?
839
01:06:20,532 --> 01:06:24,512
Throughout Western and
Southeastern Europe, we can act freely.
840
01:06:24,536 --> 01:06:28,508
- Fine. We will do what is necessary.
- It's been noted.
841
01:06:28,532 --> 01:06:33,509
But I see difficulties in the north.
Denmark, Norway and Finland.
842
01:06:33,533 --> 01:06:35,106
Why right there?
843
01:06:35,131 --> 01:06:41,116
For some reason, it is difficult to convince
the population of the danger of the Jews.
844
01:06:42,007 --> 01:06:43,007
What do you suggest?
845
01:06:43,226 --> 01:06:46,232
Ignore for now. The numbers are dropping.
846
01:06:46,257 --> 01:06:48,250
We don't usually put things off,
847
01:06:49,046 --> 01:06:54,053
but as long as we are busy with
Jews from other countries, it will be fine.
848
01:06:54,531 --> 01:06:56,115
What shall we do with Hungary?
849
01:06:56,286 --> 01:07:02,282
It is time to force on the government one
of our chosen advisers on Jewish matters.
850
01:07:03,535 --> 01:07:08,526
Perhaps one of your staff,
Obersturmbannführer? Can you spare someone?
851
01:07:08,974 --> 01:07:11,134
Maybe I can help?
852
01:07:11,159 --> 01:07:17,117
The Central Bureau of Race and Settlement may
send an assistant to the police attache there.
853
01:07:17,142 --> 01:07:18,398
Sure, why not? So we do.
854
01:07:18,532 --> 01:07:23,529
Excuse. Should our foreign policy
now be shaped by Herr Hofmann's staff?
855
01:07:23,553 --> 01:07:28,514
Don't get excited. We are talking
about an advisor, not a new ambassador.
856
01:07:28,538 --> 01:07:30,529
An adviser with no diplomatic experience.
857
01:07:30,553 --> 01:07:36,512
But he has experience with Jewish
affairs. Surely that must also count?
858
01:07:36,536 --> 01:07:41,526
I am irritated by the liberality with which
some agencies sacrifice their expertise.
859
01:07:41,550 --> 01:07:46,520
It's no big deal to me. The
main thing is that it gets decided.
860
01:07:46,700 --> 01:07:48,189
It would be nice if something went easily.
861
01:07:48,214 --> 01:07:51,514
I don't call the gardener
when I need a roofer.
862
01:07:51,538 --> 01:07:56,949
I refuse that. We have a lot of
people with international experience.
863
01:07:56,974 --> 01:08:00,531
So you see it. I do not
consider all equally suitable.
864
01:08:00,555 --> 01:08:05,519
If you're going to talk about
responsibilities, please stick to yours.
865
01:08:05,784 --> 01:08:08,771
Let Undersecretary
Luther do his thing.
866
01:08:08,982 --> 01:08:12,957
We do as we are told. Are
the Jews abroad finished?
867
01:08:12,982 --> 01:08:18,996
It can be relatively easy to present
a Jew-free Serbia to the Führer.
868
01:08:19,021 --> 01:08:22,918
- Interesting. Continue.
- Maybe later in a smaller group?
869
01:08:22,943 --> 01:08:26,946
Better now in a smaller
group. Müller. Eichmann.
870
01:08:41,539 --> 01:08:45,531
- How many are we talking about?
- 6,000-8,000. Only women and children.
871
01:08:45,555 --> 01:08:49,527
- Why no male Jews?
- Already shot as a hostage.
872
01:08:49,551 --> 01:08:54,528
- A hundred dead for one dead German.
- I remember. An effective measure, Eichmann.
873
01:08:54,552 --> 01:08:57,516
Thank you, Obergruppenführer.
874
01:08:57,540 --> 01:08:59,820
- Serbian government?
- We don't have to think about it.
875
01:09:00,535 --> 01:09:02,550
Who do we give the command to?
876
01:09:03,553 --> 01:09:07,558
Maybe Schäfer. He who blew
up the radio mast in Gliwice.
877
01:09:08,535 --> 01:09:12,530
- Yes, a good fellow.
- He gets the gas wagons going to Riga.
878
01:09:12,554 --> 01:09:17,527
- Mr. Lange will not like that.
- Lange can improvise. We do so.
879
01:09:17,551 --> 01:09:20,551
- Understood.
- I make sure it happens.
880
01:09:31,164 --> 01:09:34,515
We have one last item left on the agenda:
881
01:09:34,540 --> 01:09:37,517
The treatment of mixed
race Jews and intermarriage.
882
01:09:37,541 --> 01:09:43,279
Here, Dr. Stuckart, your opinion is
not only requested, but necessary.
883
01:09:43,757 --> 01:09:47,974
As said, the processing is best
regulated by the applicable laws.
884
01:09:47,999 --> 01:09:50,865
Of course. After all, it's your laws.
885
01:09:50,890 --> 01:09:54,357
They will form the
basis of our conversation.
886
01:09:54,382 --> 01:09:59,514
This is binding legislation,
not a basis for discussion.
887
01:09:59,538 --> 01:10:02,959
Even laws become outdated
and need to be re-evaluated.
888
01:10:02,984 --> 01:10:05,685
Like re-wallpapering when
you get tired of the color?
889
01:10:05,710 --> 01:10:11,518
We should recognize that today the people and
the race must be categories in our action.
890
01:10:11,666 --> 01:10:16,037
The people need a reliable
legal system, which I defend.
891
01:10:16,062 --> 01:10:19,526
Right is what is useful to people.
892
01:10:19,550 --> 01:10:23,522
What does it mean if it contradicts
the common sense of the people?
893
01:10:23,748 --> 01:10:27,851
Exactly. Let's not make things more
complicated than they already are.
894
01:10:27,876 --> 01:10:32,865
Sure, but not easier either.
Where do you see a need for action?
895
01:10:32,890 --> 01:10:38,521
According to the Nuremberg Laws, half-Jews were
exempted from evacuation and special treatment.
896
01:10:38,833 --> 01:10:40,821
Will there be a change to that?
897
01:10:40,898 --> 01:10:45,521
There have been discussions between
us, the party and individual ministries.
898
01:10:45,545 --> 01:10:49,261
I have asked the party office to
summarize these conversations.
899
01:10:49,285 --> 01:10:50,515
Dr. Klopfer.
900
01:10:50,539 --> 01:10:53,529
The party's line is clear.
901
01:10:53,553 --> 01:10:59,531
Jews, half-Jews and quarter-Jews
are ultimately seen as Jews.
902
01:10:59,555 --> 01:11:02,709
They cannot be tolerated in the commonwealth.
903
01:11:02,734 --> 01:11:08,304
The distinction between good
and bad Jews, full- and half-Jews,
904
01:11:08,617 --> 01:11:10,037
no longer serves any purpose.
905
01:11:10,062 --> 01:11:13,521
I agree, and then I
speak for the entire SS,
906
01:11:13,545 --> 01:11:16,518
for public hygiene and
consolidation of the race's territory.
907
01:11:16,542 --> 01:11:19,529
We know that. And what do you think?
908
01:11:19,553 --> 01:11:23,532
A working document has been
prepared. I would like to read it.
909
01:11:23,556 --> 01:11:24,692
You are welcome:
910
01:11:24,717 --> 01:11:27,532
First: First degree mixed race Jews
911
01:11:27,556 --> 01:11:31,115
equated with Jews with
respect to the Final Solution.
912
01:11:31,140 --> 01:11:33,826
- Rejected.
- Listen first, for God's sake!
913
01:11:33,851 --> 01:11:36,517
It already violates existing laws.
914
01:11:36,541 --> 01:11:39,974
They are not equated with
Jews. They have German blood.
915
01:11:39,999 --> 01:11:43,952
- But the aim is to change that.
- It's not that simple.
916
01:11:43,977 --> 01:11:47,961
We cannot sit here and decide that
half-Jews should have the yellow star,
917
01:11:48,140 --> 01:11:52,123
that they may not walk in
German forests or have a canary.
918
01:11:52,148 --> 01:11:57,485
- And certainly not evacuated to the East.
- A working document, as I said.
919
01:11:57,510 --> 01:12:01,510
- And there are exceptions in the draft.
- Right.
920
01:12:03,547 --> 01:12:08,099
Exceptions are mixed race Jews of
the first degree married to German blood.
921
01:12:08,124 --> 01:12:12,187
- I assume that.
- As long as they have children, that is, quarter Jews.
922
01:12:12,212 --> 01:12:14,192
So generous.
923
01:12:14,545 --> 01:12:18,081
In other ways, our proposal
meets your requirements.
924
01:12:18,106 --> 01:12:25,091
Second-degree mixed-race Jews, quarter
Jews, are counted as having German blood.
925
01:12:25,544 --> 01:12:28,529
Wait a minute... Why?
926
01:12:28,919 --> 01:12:33,891
Unless they are the children
of two Jews of mixed race,
927
01:12:33,939 --> 01:12:36,203
has an unfavorably Jewish appearance
928
01:12:36,228 --> 01:12:40,524
or prove by their behavior that
they should be considered Jews.
929
01:12:40,548 --> 01:12:44,821
- I'm starting to lose track.
- I see the proposal as fully feasible.
930
01:12:44,846 --> 01:12:47,818
May I ask for your spontaneous opinion?
931
01:12:47,843 --> 01:12:51,536
From a foreign policy point of view, it
does not matter whether they stay or leave.
932
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:55,289
The Marshal certainly
has no objections,
933
01:12:55,314 --> 01:12:59,209
as long as we don't lose
professionals in the war industry.
934
01:12:59,234 --> 01:13:03,701
- That must be taken into account.
- I also see a half-Jew as a Jew.
935
01:13:03,726 --> 01:13:08,146
It is possible, legally speaking,
to expand the definition of a Jew,
936
01:13:08,171 --> 01:13:13,538
but why worry about Jewish laws
when there will soon be no Jews?
937
01:13:13,562 --> 01:13:17,085
Interesting stance from
the Ministry of Justice.
938
01:13:17,110 --> 01:13:21,079
In the East, we still cannot
make such fine distinctions.
939
01:13:21,242 --> 01:13:25,525
We often don't even see if someone is
Jewish, let alone half- or quarter-Jewish.
940
01:13:26,031 --> 01:13:30,020
But now we are the German
Reich, and here the law still applies.
941
01:13:30,139 --> 01:13:35,118
You have to admit that the Ministry of the
Interior is clearly isolated on the matter.
942
01:13:35,517 --> 01:13:38,516
What do you hope to achieve with the changes?
943
01:13:38,541 --> 01:13:42,183
Simplification, as always.
Clear, quick decisions.
944
01:13:42,208 --> 01:13:47,212
You accomplish the exact
opposite. Returning to individual trial…
945
01:13:47,542 --> 01:13:50,531
We are talking about tens of thousands of cases.
946
01:13:50,555 --> 01:13:55,528
- How many half-Jews are there in the kingdom?
- Around 70,000.
947
01:13:55,825 --> 01:14:00,838
Then add quarters, and our
officials have been busy for years.
948
01:14:01,039 --> 01:14:04,521
If you had written better laws, we
would have escaped the problem.
949
01:14:04,545 --> 01:14:07,534
I didn't write them myself,
and that's not true anyway.
950
01:14:07,558 --> 01:14:11,534
A half-Jew who behaves like a
Jew, that is, follows the Mosaic faith
951
01:14:11,916 --> 01:14:15,898
or is married to a non-Jewish person, is treated
as a non-Jewish person according to existing law.
952
01:14:16,056 --> 01:14:18,027
Nothing prevents evacuation.
953
01:14:18,242 --> 01:14:22,521
- How many of these are there in the kingdom?
- About 8,000.
954
01:14:22,545 --> 01:14:25,898
Eight trains. Then we have over 60,000 left.
955
01:14:26,124 --> 01:14:29,531
The majority of these half-Jews see
themselves as part of German society.
956
01:14:29,555 --> 01:14:33,084
- They renounce the faith even internally.
- To protect yourself.
957
01:14:33,109 --> 01:14:36,542
Thousands of them have proven
themselves in our armed forces.
958
01:14:37,215 --> 01:14:39,185
- How many? - Around 10,000.
959
01:14:39,210 --> 01:14:41,904
I still want to get rid of another 60,000.
960
01:14:41,929 --> 01:14:47,532
Don't forget the SS comrades who were found
to have Jewish blood during racial testing.
961
01:14:47,823 --> 01:14:51,795
- Tragic cases, indeed.
- But not a significant number.
962
01:14:51,820 --> 01:14:55,524
But in the mixed races the
German blood predominates.
963
01:14:55,548 --> 01:14:58,536
Should they be included in the final solution?
964
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:03,539
- We can make exceptions in special cases.
- Yes, but let's think further.
965
01:15:04,304 --> 01:15:09,308
According to you, a half-Jew who has children
with a German wife should not be evacuated.
966
01:15:09,333 --> 01:15:11,525
- Good God! - I do not follow.
967
01:15:11,549 --> 01:15:16,544
A half-Jew with a German wife and
children? True, he is not evacuated.
968
01:15:16,568 --> 01:15:22,529
Now let's imagine that this half-Jew has
a brother, who is of course also half-Jew,
969
01:15:22,724 --> 01:15:27,279
but he is not married and has no children. Should
he be evacuated according to your suggestion?
970
01:15:27,304 --> 01:15:29,694
- Yes.
- How do you explain it to the family?
971
01:15:29,719 --> 01:15:33,678
To the Aryan sister-in-law?
The Aryan relatives?
972
01:15:33,703 --> 01:15:37,539
- Everything can be dramatized.
- No, I'm just thinking it through.
973
01:15:37,776 --> 01:15:40,748
We cannot treat quarter-Jews
as of German blood
974
01:15:40,773 --> 01:15:45,525
but evacuate their
half-Jewish family to the East.
975
01:15:45,549 --> 01:15:48,751
How do you explain to the
quarterback on leave from the front
976
01:15:48,776 --> 01:15:53,748
that his half-Jewish family on the platform
opposite being sent east in a cattle car?
977
01:15:53,773 --> 01:15:56,536
All are individual cases.
978
01:15:56,560 --> 01:16:00,523
I have to agree with Dr. Stuckart.
979
01:16:00,547 --> 01:16:05,359
Even the Führer believes that it is of the
utmost importance not to worry the population.
980
01:16:05,384 --> 01:16:10,928
I want to remind you about the
euthanasia program. It caused a stir.
981
01:16:10,953 --> 01:16:15,334
- Dr. Stuckart complicates matters.
- It's complicated.
982
01:16:15,359 --> 01:16:20,525
The Führer knows this and has therefore
given no other instructions on the matter.
983
01:16:20,549 --> 01:16:23,570
But maybe you are smarter
than the Führer on this point?
984
01:16:24,288 --> 01:16:30,268
The Führer wants the final solution. Everything
Jewish must be driven out of the body of the people.
985
01:16:30,293 --> 01:16:33,269
Your proposal creates intolerable situations.
986
01:16:33,551 --> 01:16:37,542
In extreme cases, it leads to chaos,
and out of chaos grows resistance.
987
01:16:38,265 --> 01:16:40,532
We don't want mixed race Jews as enemies.
988
01:16:40,556 --> 01:16:45,398
The half-Jew is a more dangerous enemy,
with his high-value Germanic heritage.
989
01:16:45,537 --> 01:16:48,537
High-ranking half-Jews?
990
01:16:50,027 --> 01:16:53,017
- Do you also have a constructive suggestion?
- Very good question.
991
01:16:53,611 --> 01:16:57,594
My suggestion is to do nothing.
992
01:17:09,062 --> 01:17:12,045
We should do nothing at all.
993
01:17:12,069 --> 01:17:17,045
- You've got to be kidding.
- Half-Jews can only marry Germans.
994
01:17:17,069 --> 01:17:21,043
Purely biologically, the Jewish
part decreases with each generation.
995
01:17:21,067 --> 01:17:26,041
- Children of half-Jews are already quarter-Jews.
- But then we won't be finished for a hundred years.
996
01:17:26,065 --> 01:17:29,043
Half Jew. Quarter seventh.
997
01:17:29,067 --> 01:17:33,523
If I don't like the nose,
it's Jewish enough.
998
01:17:33,548 --> 01:17:35,351
A bit coarse, isn't it?
999
01:17:35,789 --> 01:17:39,774
In any case, no one can
understand that I like Jews.
1000
01:17:39,822 --> 01:17:42,837
I know you are accomplishing a lot in the East.
1001
01:17:43,219 --> 01:17:49,205
But don't think I'm doing less here just
because I'm not wading in Jewish blood.
1002
01:17:49,589 --> 01:17:54,575
Without us and our laws, the German
Reich would not be where it is today.
1003
01:17:54,834 --> 01:17:58,807
No one doubts your
commitment, Dr. Stuckart.
1004
01:17:58,831 --> 01:18:03,421
That said, we try to simplify
things as much as possible.
1005
01:18:03,446 --> 01:18:06,452
In that case, I suggest sterilization.
1006
01:18:09,826 --> 01:18:14,794
Sterilization? How should I understand it?
1007
01:18:14,818 --> 01:18:18,609
Forced sterilization of all
mixed-race Jews, without exception.
1008
01:18:18,634 --> 01:18:23,632
Cheaper than deportation and absolutely
sufficient from a racial hygiene point of view.
1009
01:18:26,550 --> 01:18:30,531
An interesting suggestion, Dr. Stuckart.
1010
01:18:30,822 --> 01:18:35,802
All biologically dangerous elements
would be prevented from procreating.
1011
01:18:35,826 --> 01:18:38,814
The risk of breed deterioration is eliminated.
1012
01:18:38,838 --> 01:18:42,793
Is it technically feasible
on such a large scale?
1013
01:18:42,817 --> 01:18:48,802
It needs to be evaluated. Faced with
the choice to be evacuated or sterilized
1014
01:18:48,826 --> 01:18:52,804
a Jew of mixed race will
undoubtedly prefer sterilization.
1015
01:18:53,194 --> 01:18:58,205
Their blood will die out,
but we keep them as labor.
1016
01:18:58,456 --> 01:19:00,453
A tailor-made solution.
1017
01:19:01,110 --> 01:19:04,460
Forced divorces would also be conceivable.
1018
01:19:04,485 --> 01:19:07,495
You wanted to simplify things. There you have it.
1019
01:19:08,830 --> 01:19:13,810
Here are some more suggestions
regarding intermarriage,
1020
01:19:13,834 --> 01:19:16,808
that is, between German-blooded and all-Jews.
1021
01:19:16,832 --> 01:19:19,818
We're taking a break.
1022
01:19:21,575 --> 01:19:23,580
Dr. Stuckart.
1023
01:19:48,584 --> 01:19:52,560
In the lounge there is freshly
brewed coffee, desserts and cognac.
1024
01:19:52,585 --> 01:19:55,586
We'll continue in a few minutes.
1025
01:20:03,651 --> 01:20:06,660
The Working Paper on Mixed
Race Jews. Add it to the record.
1026
01:20:38,565 --> 01:20:43,311
You have good arguments
and know how to present them.
1027
01:20:43,336 --> 01:20:45,816
Yet you insist on the matter.
1028
01:20:46,231 --> 01:20:51,210
Sometimes, if I'm being honest...
1029
01:20:51,830 --> 01:20:58,640
Sometimes I wonder if you oppose our
proposals because of your good arguments
1030
01:20:59,554 --> 01:21:02,804
or because it is precisely your
laws that we are discussing here.
1031
01:21:02,828 --> 01:21:07,826
I wish you didn't see us lawyers
just as brake pads on your train.
1032
01:21:09,421 --> 01:21:12,818
- My authority is full of lawyers.
- Of a different kind.
1033
01:21:12,842 --> 01:21:15,814
Like Dr. Schöngarth and Dr. Lange.
1034
01:21:15,838 --> 01:21:19,687
I value dedication and
willingness to trade.
1035
01:21:19,712 --> 01:21:24,699
I have less use for lawyers
who complicate and sow doubt.
1036
01:21:25,058 --> 01:21:29,659
Thinking is good, but acting is better.
1037
01:21:29,684 --> 01:21:35,672
Action without thought accomplishes nothing.
Then you throw the baby out with the bathwater.
1038
01:21:39,313 --> 01:21:41,319
Forced sterilization?
1039
01:21:43,661 --> 01:21:49,643
Do you mean it? Or are you suggesting
it because it takes months to evaluate?
1040
01:21:49,832 --> 01:21:53,811
Like you, I see myself as
devoted to the Führer's cause.
1041
01:21:53,835 --> 01:21:56,593
I am not speaking against your final solution,
1042
01:21:56,618 --> 01:22:00,335
but only for an orderly
deprivation of rights.
1043
01:22:00,528 --> 01:22:05,497
I have the greatest respect for what you
have done at the National Security Board.
1044
01:22:05,522 --> 01:22:08,507
An ideologically stable,
combative administration
1045
01:22:08,835 --> 01:22:14,803
prepared for radical intervention. But don't
forget that all of Germany is not like that.
1046
01:22:14,827 --> 01:22:19,802
People need rules and
norms, clarity and orientation.
1047
01:22:19,826 --> 01:22:22,808
The knowledge that everything has its order.
1048
01:22:22,832 --> 01:22:27,484
Thanks so much. We will investigate the matter.
1049
01:22:27,820 --> 01:22:29,822
Thanks.
1050
01:22:36,841 --> 01:22:42,806
Apart from that, of course you are
right. I have written a huge set of laws.
1051
01:22:42,830 --> 01:22:46,818
If you take it away from me, I might
as well go to the office without pants.
1052
01:22:46,842 --> 01:22:50,824
Of course, we must
prevent that at all costs.
1053
01:22:53,234 --> 01:22:55,451
Has your wife made herself at home?
1054
01:22:55,476 --> 01:22:59,460
Last time I got the impression
that she didn't like Prague.
1055
01:22:59,836 --> 01:23:03,812
It was over a long time
ago. The other day she said:
1056
01:23:03,836 --> 01:23:06,811
"I am a princess who lives in a castle."
1057
01:23:06,835 --> 01:23:09,823
I am glad to hear.
1058
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:14,840
- And you? When will the increase come?
- There are a few weeks left.
1059
01:23:19,841 --> 01:23:24,835
- Come visit us.
- As soon as it can be arranged.
1060
01:23:25,843 --> 01:23:30,832
Are you planning to move your family
here after the war? The house suits you.
1061
01:23:33,833 --> 01:23:37,809
- Possibly.
- Then we would become neighbors.
1062
01:23:37,833 --> 01:23:41,829
Our children can swim together in the Wannsee.
1063
01:23:45,453 --> 01:23:47,425
A beautiful thought.
1064
01:23:47,450 --> 01:23:52,419
The Reichsführer-SS and the
Governor General had a clear agreement.
1065
01:23:52,444 --> 01:23:55,695
It is my right to insist
that it be observed.
1066
01:23:56,015 --> 01:23:59,687
You heard Obergruppenführer
Heydrich. I can't do more.
1067
01:23:59,712 --> 01:24:05,698
We have no interest in being responsible
for the misery of another million Jews.
1068
01:24:06,085 --> 01:24:08,867
I can't come up with it.
1069
01:24:18,403 --> 01:24:21,392
I'm going to have a cup of coffee. Do you also want?
1070
01:24:21,946 --> 01:24:24,951
I thought we were going to work here.
1071
01:24:40,176 --> 01:24:43,159
Gentlemen, we proceed.
1072
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:48,436
Let's stay here. We'll be done
soon. We can move on to the informal.
1073
01:24:48,470 --> 01:24:50,824
- My documents, please.
- If it is okay.
1074
01:24:50,848 --> 01:24:54,820
Dr. Stuckart and I
had a fruitful exchange.
1075
01:24:54,844 --> 01:24:57,809
Do you have any questions?
1076
01:24:57,833 --> 01:25:03,810
I feel I have to ask again about
the progress of the final solution,
1077
01:25:04,078 --> 01:25:07,810
and I must repeat how necessary it is
1078
01:25:07,834 --> 01:25:12,037
to initiate the relief measures
with us in the General Government.
1079
01:25:12,062 --> 01:25:14,531
Why not with us?
1080
01:25:14,556 --> 01:25:19,818
We cannot stand for the largest space
and become the kingdom's garbage dump,
1081
01:25:19,842 --> 01:25:25,007
where everyone sends their
Jews, gypsies and misfits,
1082
01:25:25,678 --> 01:25:29,809
while we are left with our own
Jews. Diseases, black trade, crime...
1083
01:25:29,842 --> 01:25:35,816
Sure, Dr. Bühler. So that you don't
stir things up again: Polish Jews first.
1084
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:38,468
- Excuse me?
- You have my promise.
1085
01:25:38,493 --> 01:25:43,478
We start in the General Government.
Say hello to Governor General Frank.
1086
01:25:43,836 --> 01:25:48,819
May I take it that this
agreement is on the record?
1087
01:25:48,843 --> 01:25:51,335
- Obersturmbannführer?
- It is recorded.
1088
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:56,824
May I assume that the Governor-General will
not get in the way of our plans any more?
1089
01:25:56,848 --> 01:25:59,826
That we lead the final solution?
1090
01:26:00,334 --> 01:26:03,585
- No more questions.
- Thankfully.
1091
01:26:05,265 --> 01:26:10,801
But I have a question. I don't
want to spoil the cheerful mood,
1092
01:26:10,826 --> 01:26:15,817
but since the beginning of the meeting I
have asked myself a fundamental question.
1093
01:26:15,841 --> 01:26:18,819
- Just ask. - Thanks.
1094
01:26:18,843 --> 01:26:24,808
You said a lot about the final solution,
but not much about concrete solutions.
1095
01:26:24,832 --> 01:26:27,833
I guess the RSHA know what they are doing.
1096
01:26:28,007 --> 01:26:34,815
I'm just wondering if we're talking about
a statement of intent or realistic goals.
1097
01:26:34,839 --> 01:26:37,850
I assure you that we are
not building castles in the air.
1098
01:26:38,335 --> 01:26:39,335
If you will allow me...
1099
01:26:39,848 --> 01:26:45,809
I have made calculations based
on reports from the response teams.
1100
01:26:45,833 --> 01:26:50,820
Take, for example, the special treatment
of Ukrainian Jews in late September,
1101
01:26:50,844 --> 01:26:54,499
conducted by Task Force C
under Obergruppenführer Jeckeln.
1102
01:26:54,524 --> 01:26:59,514
- One of our best.
- I mean the measures against the Jews in Kiev.
1103
01:27:00,212 --> 01:27:05,803
The Jewish population cooperated
thanks to appeasement measures,
1104
01:27:05,828 --> 01:27:09,811
and a natural gully could
be used for disposal.
1105
01:27:09,835 --> 01:27:12,271
So there was no need to dig pits.
1106
01:27:12,296 --> 01:27:14,812
I heard about it, Babij Jar Ravine.
1107
01:27:14,836 --> 01:27:18,825
- 6th Army participated, under von Reichenau.
- May he rest in peace.
1108
01:27:18,849 --> 01:27:25,815
That's what I want to get to. You
could say it was ideal conditions.
1109
01:27:25,839 --> 01:27:31,821
Nevertheless, the special
treatment took 33,771 Jews
1110
01:27:31,845 --> 01:27:34,812
36 hours to complete.
1111
01:27:34,836 --> 01:27:37,823
A thousand an hour. What is wrong with that?
1112
01:27:37,847 --> 01:27:40,823
938 to be exact.
1113
01:27:40,847 --> 01:27:46,822
If one then counts on Obersturmbannführer
Eichmann's figure of eleven million,
1114
01:27:46,846 --> 01:27:51,820
it will be 11,720 hours,
1115
01:27:51,844 --> 01:27:54,829
or 488 days.
1116
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:57,823
Where do you want to go?
1117
01:27:58,064 --> 01:28:04,222
Our men would have to do what
was done in Babij Jar for 488 days,
1118
01:28:04,247 --> 01:28:07,249
day and night without interruption.
1119
01:28:07,407 --> 01:28:10,393
Shoot Jews for 488 days.
1120
01:28:10,418 --> 01:28:14,828
Old, women and children. 938 per hour.
1121
01:28:14,852 --> 01:28:18,820
Please, your calculation
is quite hypothetical.
1122
01:28:18,844 --> 01:28:22,820
The work rests on many
axes in different places.
1123
01:28:22,844 --> 01:28:28,814
But we are talking about
eleven million cartridges.
1124
01:28:28,838 --> 01:28:30,824
Only if every shot hits.
1125
01:28:30,848 --> 01:28:34,825
We agree that we cannot
achieve it by arquebusing.
1126
01:28:34,849 --> 01:28:39,819
For that reason, we now build
facilities whose sole purpose is
1127
01:28:39,843 --> 01:28:42,828
to tackle this numerical problem.
1128
01:28:42,852 --> 01:28:49,824
Maybe it's because I'm older
than most here - or a priest's son,
1129
01:28:49,848 --> 01:28:53,703
but for me it is also a moral issue.
1130
01:28:53,743 --> 01:28:59,414
Sorry, but I don't have to listen to
that. "Poor Jews. Women and children."
1131
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:02,419
We're doing our duty, and
you shouldn't throw crap at us.
1132
01:29:02,444 --> 01:29:05,430
- You misunderstand me.
- I understand very well.
1133
01:29:05,565 --> 01:29:09,527
You gave in to Comrade Lange
with your nonsense about humanity.
1134
01:29:09,552 --> 01:29:12,533
I must firmly defend the comrades.
1135
01:29:12,558 --> 01:29:17,549
The punishment of the Jews may
seem barbaric, but they deserved it.
1136
01:29:17,853 --> 01:29:23,824
I'm surprised we're talking about
this again. It's about self-defense.
1137
01:29:24,106 --> 01:29:27,084
Otherwise the Jews will destroy us.
1138
01:29:27,109 --> 01:29:30,414
Please, I don't
worry about the Jews.
1139
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:34,428
I know that the end of history
is written for the Jewish race.
1140
01:29:34,673 --> 01:29:37,648
I only worry about our soldiers
1141
01:29:37,673 --> 01:29:42,683
and the psychological burden that
the Final Solution places on them.
1142
01:29:43,604 --> 01:29:46,596
For the Wehrmacht, SS and Ordnungspolizei?
1143
01:29:46,848 --> 01:29:51,832
It is about young people who
are not yet fully developed.
1144
01:29:51,856 --> 01:29:54,821
We were like that once too.
1145
01:29:54,845 --> 01:29:58,359
Experiences like the special treatment in Kyiv,
1146
01:29:58,384 --> 01:30:01,375
a mountain with over 33,000 people,
1147
01:30:01,849 --> 01:30:05,824
that inevitably leads to rudeness.
1148
01:30:05,848 --> 01:30:09,820
Sadism. Mental illness and alcoholism.
1149
01:30:09,844 --> 01:30:13,819
I can speak for my men
and say we know our craft.
1150
01:30:13,843 --> 01:30:18,457
We shoot from behind with bayonets on when
they are on their knees. We rarely miss.
1151
01:30:18,482 --> 01:30:21,390
Imagine an orderly process.
1152
01:30:21,415 --> 01:30:26,867
So be it, but we want them to
return as healthy German men.
1153
01:30:27,343 --> 01:30:31,330
Real husbands for German
wives. Fathers of German children.
1154
01:30:31,847 --> 01:30:36,819
In our military hospitals the number of cases
of nervous diseases is very much increasing,
1155
01:30:36,843 --> 01:30:40,406
triggered by the difficult experiences in the East.
1156
01:30:40,431 --> 01:30:45,295
It cannot be denied. I was told
that some of the men who attended
1157
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:48,827
were in worse condition than those who had been shot.
1158
01:30:48,851 --> 01:30:51,821
"Crudeness". "Sadism".
1159
01:30:51,845 --> 01:30:56,825
Although one must be
merciless to the Jew in his service
1160
01:30:56,849 --> 01:30:58,858
is he still a decent German.
1161
01:30:59,295 --> 01:31:03,288
I can confirm that. There
is certainly a rough tone,
1162
01:31:03,852 --> 01:31:09,539
but no one steals, swears,
fights, or behaves dishonorably.
1163
01:31:09,564 --> 01:31:12,537
No one doubts your decency.
1164
01:31:12,562 --> 01:31:17,544
But I thank the Ministerial Council for
his question. It is important to consider.
1165
01:31:17,848 --> 01:31:22,823
Some who have just enthusiastically
advocated the final solution
1166
01:31:22,847 --> 01:31:27,820
become completely silent when
they actually see the final solution.
1167
01:31:27,844 --> 01:31:32,834
The Reichsführer-SS, if I may interject,
witnessed an arquebusing himself
1168
01:31:32,858 --> 01:31:36,826
and immediately gave orders
to find a more humane method.
1169
01:31:36,850 --> 01:31:40,820
More humane? For our men, then?
1170
01:31:40,844 --> 01:31:42,826
Of course.
1171
01:31:42,850 --> 01:31:46,828
I promised that after our
meeting you would understand
1172
01:31:46,852 --> 01:31:50,830
that we can answer any questions
associated with the final solution.
1173
01:31:50,854 --> 01:31:52,210
Obersturmbannführer.
1174
01:31:52,521 --> 01:31:57,497
Behind the front line or where rail
transport would be too expensive
1175
01:31:57,732 --> 01:32:00,714
we can't do without arquebusing.
1176
01:32:00,848 --> 01:32:03,833
But for the final solution,
the method is too ineffective
1177
01:32:03,857 --> 01:32:08,814
and also negatively affects
the effectiveness of our men.
1178
01:32:08,838 --> 01:32:13,835
- The effectiveness of my men is...
- Dr. Schöngarth, I beg you.
1179
01:32:13,859 --> 01:32:20,825
The other methods, which are
more effective and less mentally taxing
1180
01:32:20,849 --> 01:32:24,827
is based on findings from the euthanasia
program at Zentraldienststelle T4.
1181
01:32:24,851 --> 01:32:28,821
- "Operation mercy killing"?
- It had to be canceled when people protested.
1182
01:32:28,845 --> 01:32:32,824
And the churches. They politely stay out
of the way regarding the Jewish transports,
1183
01:32:33,105 --> 01:32:35,086
but there was much shouting about the lunatics.
1184
01:32:35,117 --> 01:32:38,265
But they still managed about 70,000.
1185
01:32:38,290 --> 01:32:41,817
When it shut down they
started working for us.
1186
01:32:42,433 --> 01:32:47,429
Excuse. When we talk about Brack's
methods, are we talking about gas?
1187
01:32:47,454 --> 01:32:51,453
- That's right.
- What other means can give such high quotas?
1188
01:32:51,478 --> 01:32:55,830
Those of us who participated in the
World War have experienced what it means.
1189
01:32:55,855 --> 01:32:59,833
Gas. Poison gas. When
lying in the trenches.
1190
01:33:00,609 --> 01:33:05,049
I don't know what you think,
but to me the idea is hideous.
1191
01:33:05,074 --> 01:33:08,115
It was over 20 years
ago. A lot has happened.
1192
01:33:08,140 --> 01:33:11,822
Last month I inspected
the Kulmhof camp,
1193
01:33:11,846 --> 01:33:14,445
and the Bełżec camp,
under Hauptsturmführer Wirth.
1194
01:33:14,470 --> 01:33:16,455
Both use carbon monoxide.
1195
01:33:16,853 --> 01:33:20,827
In Kulmhof, special wagons with
airtight superstructures are used.
1196
01:33:20,851 --> 01:33:26,832
In Bełżec, there are rooms where gas is
piped from cylinders or armored car engines.
1197
01:33:26,856 --> 01:33:30,823
We also have new discoveries
from Obersturmbannführer Höss.
1198
01:33:30,847 --> 01:33:32,022
Who?
1199
01:33:32,047 --> 01:33:35,834
Commandant of a camp for Russian
prisoners of war in eastern Upper Silesia.
1200
01:33:35,858 --> 01:33:39,671
The Obergruppenführer mentioned it. Auschwitz.
1201
01:33:39,696 --> 01:33:42,826
Höss's staff has achieved promising results
1202
01:33:42,850 --> 01:33:47,367
with an agent used for
pest control, Zyklon B.
1203
01:33:47,392 --> 01:33:49,830
Pest control? Interesting.
1204
01:33:49,854 --> 01:33:53,242
Cargo holds on ships,
silos... Large-scale disinfection.
1205
01:33:53,349 --> 01:33:58,316
- Appropriate.
- And to contaminated uniforms.
1206
01:33:58,849 --> 01:34:02,836
The active substance is
hydrocyanic acid bound in granules.
1207
01:34:02,860 --> 01:34:05,828
On contact with air, a
fast-acting gas is released.
1208
01:34:05,852 --> 01:34:10,829
An accidental discovery. There
were accidents due to improper use.
1209
01:34:10,853 --> 01:34:13,008
So the comrades came up with it.
1210
01:34:13,033 --> 01:34:17,281
And so we make the wrong
practice the right practice.
1211
01:34:17,705 --> 01:34:18,705
Right.
1212
01:34:18,852 --> 01:34:23,835
We receive the granules in
practical containers, pre-portioned.
1213
01:34:23,859 --> 01:34:27,834
The manufacturer can also provide
it without adding warning substances.
1214
01:34:28,014 --> 01:34:31,217
When you notice the gas, it's too late.
1215
01:34:31,242 --> 01:34:37,834
According to Höss, last year's gassing of 900
Russian prisoners of war was extremely successful.
1216
01:34:37,858 --> 01:34:41,824
What will it be then? Carbon monoxide or hydrocyanic acid.
1217
01:34:41,848 --> 01:34:44,831
Höss is convinced of his method.
1218
01:34:44,855 --> 01:34:49,304
It is still a thought experiment, but it
would be possible to transform Auschwitz,
1219
01:34:49,329 --> 01:34:51,311
from Russians to Jews.
1220
01:34:51,433 --> 01:34:55,409
I intend to propose to the Reichsführer-SS
that we move forward on all tracks.
1221
01:34:55,667 --> 01:34:57,945
Competition stimulates business.
1222
01:34:59,371 --> 01:35:03,368
How can we imagine
these processes in detail?
1223
01:35:03,861 --> 01:35:07,836
As I said, the Jews come
to the facilities by train.
1224
01:35:07,860 --> 01:35:12,840
They are then sorted according to work
ability and hand over their possessions.
1225
01:35:12,864 --> 01:35:19,578
Under the guise of disinfection, they
are then led to airtight gas chambers.
1226
01:35:19,603 --> 01:35:22,586
The active substance is supplied from outside.
1227
01:35:22,611 --> 01:35:28,594
The process itself, if performed correctly,
is completed in ten to fifteen minutes.
1228
01:35:28,860 --> 01:35:34,830
This is followed by ventilation of
the chamber, removal and disposal.
1229
01:35:34,854 --> 01:35:38,171
We plan combustion in
highly efficient furnaces.
1230
01:35:38,406 --> 01:35:41,833
In Auschwitz, models are already
being built by Topf & Söhne,
1231
01:35:41,857 --> 01:35:45,827
although of course we have
to expand capacity significantly.
1232
01:35:45,851 --> 01:35:50,840
From train to gas? So
there is no need for housing?
1233
01:35:51,301 --> 01:35:54,773
Extremely effective!
1234
01:35:54,798 --> 01:35:59,234
But don't these facilities risk causing
concern among the population in the area?
1235
01:35:59,259 --> 01:36:01,238
Just what I need - riot.
1236
01:36:01,532 --> 01:36:03,840
We value geographical distance.
1237
01:36:03,865 --> 01:36:08,835
The facilities require facades and
undeveloped areas in the direction of the wind
1238
01:36:08,859 --> 01:36:10,833
to avoid disturbing odors.
1239
01:36:10,857 --> 01:36:15,831
- How many facilities are there?
- Kulmhof is already relieving Litzmannstadt.
1240
01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:18,106
Bełżec will soon be ready for operation.
1241
01:36:18,164 --> 01:36:23,837
In the camp in Sobibór, construction will begin
soon. An area near Treblinka is being considered,
1242
01:36:23,861 --> 01:36:26,554
and Auschwitz is, as I said, a possibility.
1243
01:36:26,579 --> 01:36:31,953
- Do we have enough people for that many?
- The operation is not personnel-intensive.
1244
01:36:32,257 --> 01:36:34,843
Especially if we use Jews
and labor from outside.
1245
01:36:34,867 --> 01:36:41,828
Our men are mainly to keep order
and release the necessary gas.
1246
01:36:41,852 --> 01:36:45,837
But the sight of all the corpses,
the transport to the ovens...
1247
01:36:45,861 --> 01:36:50,839
It is carried out by working Jews,
who later also receive special treatment.
1248
01:36:50,863 --> 01:36:52,836
Elegant.
1249
01:36:53,194 --> 01:36:57,174
And is the facility's capacity
sufficient for the task?
1250
01:36:57,199 --> 01:37:02,202
We are in the planning phase. We
must find and optimize the processes.
1251
01:37:02,727 --> 01:37:07,714
But there are no technical obstacles to building
airtight chambers for a thousand people.
1252
01:37:07,855 --> 01:37:11,257
In Auschwitz there is
room for several chambers,
1253
01:37:11,282 --> 01:37:16,256
so that we can always manage
a fully loaded train in one round.
1254
01:37:16,494 --> 01:37:20,495
The process can of course be
repeated several times a day.
1255
01:37:21,585 --> 01:37:26,571
The Council of Ministers looks skeptical.
1256
01:37:26,775 --> 01:37:31,743
This might solve
our math problems,
1257
01:37:31,768 --> 01:37:35,768
but how exactly is it
better than arquebusing?
1258
01:37:36,790 --> 01:37:41,766
I have witnessed executions in the East and
the use of the special carriages in Kulmhof,
1259
01:37:41,791 --> 01:37:44,782
and I'm not ashamed to
say that both make me sick.
1260
01:37:44,807 --> 01:37:50,312
But the stationary facilities
enable a structured division of labor.
1261
01:37:50,337 --> 01:37:53,869
The person concerned and the person carrying
out the process barely come into contact.
1262
01:37:54,158 --> 01:37:57,138
No closeness and
nothing to arouse pity.
1263
01:37:57,850 --> 01:38:00,841
I and all the experts
involved are convinced:
1264
01:38:00,865 --> 01:38:05,841
This enables a pleasant technical,
efficient and anonymous process.
1265
01:38:05,865 --> 01:38:09,830
Our men can do it in an
extremely detached manner.
1266
01:38:09,854 --> 01:38:13,838
- Very impressive.
- The whole thing sounds well thought out.
1267
01:38:13,862 --> 01:38:17,833
- In deed.
- We are convinced of that.
1268
01:38:17,857 --> 01:38:21,838
- Do you share that assessment?
- Well, yes...
1269
01:38:21,862 --> 01:38:25,835
If it really spares us the
carnage of arquebusing
1270
01:38:25,859 --> 01:38:31,656
and our men are spared,
then it is a great relief to me.
1271
01:38:31,681 --> 01:38:35,661
The knowledge that we
have all done all we could,
1272
01:38:35,686 --> 01:38:40,374
although I would have preferred
if the Jews just went up in smoke.
1273
01:38:40,494 --> 01:38:43,468
Who wouldn't rather live in peace?
1274
01:38:43,493 --> 01:38:47,842
But fate has chosen our
generation to complete this task.
1275
01:38:48,212 --> 01:38:52,367
We can't refuse just
because it's disgusting.
1276
01:38:52,392 --> 01:38:55,870
We are the doctors of the German people.
1277
01:38:56,362 --> 01:39:00,349
No doctor likes sawing
off the leg of his patient,
1278
01:39:00,858 --> 01:39:05,864
but what if it is the only
way to save the patient's life.
1279
01:39:07,683 --> 01:39:09,693
Gentlemen, with that we are done.
1280
01:39:11,359 --> 01:39:16,576
If there are no more questions, I suggest
that you as authority representatives
1281
01:39:16,601 --> 01:39:18,492
continue the conversations with your advisors.
1282
01:39:18,517 --> 01:39:23,835
My advisor IV B4 will
contact your subdivisions.
1283
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:27,374
- Are we getting a protocol?
- Also through us.
1284
01:39:27,399 --> 01:39:31,132
Then I thank you for
coming and pray once more
1285
01:39:31,157 --> 01:39:36,162
about your continued support
to implement the final solution.
1286
01:39:38,041 --> 01:39:41,031
That is all.
1287
01:39:57,286 --> 01:40:01,543
- My notes, Obersturmbannführer.
- We summarize it in the minutes.
1288
01:40:01,861 --> 01:40:06,348
- Can you give them to me this afternoon?
- I'll put a white paper on your desk.
1289
01:40:06,487 --> 01:40:09,501
I'll call a car that
can drive you to town.
1290
01:40:12,563 --> 01:40:15,572
- Good job, Eichmann.
- Thank you, Gruppenführer.
1291
01:40:27,547 --> 01:40:32,873
- Interesting day.
- Some things should be left to the younger ones to handle.
1292
01:40:33,381 --> 01:40:36,362
We'll see what happens
with the big plans.
1293
01:40:36,542 --> 01:40:40,520
I hope you didn't take offense
to my working document.
1294
01:40:40,857 --> 01:40:44,845
We are civil servants and
have a duty to our agencies.
1295
01:40:44,869 --> 01:40:48,843
I have spent so many years
of my life with Jewish laws
1296
01:40:48,867 --> 01:40:51,615
that I would like to avoid.
1297
01:40:51,640 --> 01:40:54,620
- You're not giving up, are you?
- Not without a fight.
1298
01:40:54,752 --> 01:40:58,728
I say goodbye. I have
another meeting in four hours.
1299
01:40:58,753 --> 01:41:00,849
Restructuring of the Ministry of Posts.
1300
01:41:00,873 --> 01:41:04,866
- You are certainly persistent.
- We all have to make sacrifices.
1301
01:41:15,022 --> 01:41:17,705
It wasn't that dangerous.
1302
01:41:17,730 --> 01:41:20,746
My need for conferences is
satisfied for the time being.
1303
01:41:25,085 --> 01:41:28,088
- You did well. - Well, yes...
1304
01:41:32,451 --> 01:41:35,404
I know of some fine
establishments in Berlin
1305
01:41:35,429 --> 01:41:39,427
where you can recover
in the most pleasant way.
1306
01:41:40,864 --> 01:41:42,862
It sounds interesting.
1307
01:42:00,863 --> 01:42:04,857
- Do you want one too?
- I won't say no to that.
1308
01:42:09,344 --> 01:42:11,344
Thanks.
1309
01:42:12,872 --> 01:42:14,838
A brandy, Obergruppenführer?
1310
01:42:14,862 --> 01:42:18,855
I have more meetings,
but don't let me stop you.
1311
01:42:19,295 --> 01:42:21,333
I hope you are satisfied.
1312
01:42:21,358 --> 01:42:26,836
Consent in the highest circles,
and no one doubts our leadership.
1313
01:42:26,860 --> 01:42:28,108
A successful event.
1314
01:42:28,133 --> 01:42:30,843
- The protocol as usual?
- First to me.
1315
01:42:30,867 --> 01:42:33,875
- Thirty copies?
- Sent as classified.
1316
01:42:34,235 --> 01:42:38,639
Use formal language as usual.
We don't want to scare anyone.
1317
01:42:38,664 --> 01:42:42,637
But the gentlemen should be able to
read what they have been involved in.
1318
01:42:42,662 --> 01:42:46,832
- No one should be able to say he didn't know.
- Understood.
1319
01:42:47,347 --> 01:42:51,343
Good. Today's goal achieved.
It was worth returning to Berlin.
1320
01:42:51,524 --> 01:42:53,524
I wish you a nice afternoon.
1321
01:42:53,549 --> 01:42:57,556
The same, Obergruppenführer.
And a pleasant journey home.
1322
01:43:47,721 --> 01:43:55,721
Six million Jews were killed
during the National Socialist regime.
1323
01:44:04,871 --> 01:44:08,871
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